I just saw a blog by xaioque have to give props. Under the teachings of the senju, Orochimaru(3rd hokage), Nagato(Jiraiya), Obito(4th hokage) and Sasuke(Kakashi) have been produced. Now if the senju were so ideal and worthy of being kages why has it become a generational thing that not only criminals but world class criminals have been produced by heirs of senju teaching. Like xaioque said, you can't control the actions of people but if the senju's teaching was so great why have people who have been under their teaching become among the most notorious criminals in the world.
bcus those that are taught by senju gain great
power but dnt have the same thoughts as most senju
have which is love and wanting peace. those that
were taught by senju were out for personal gain
when they wanted to be taught.
because they knew when the uchiha clan decided
things up they will do it no matter what, like the
rumor of coup 'd etat. well that could be a
big war knowing that uchiha's are really
strong and so many innocent lives will surely
lost. sometimes killing is the other way of love
to achieve peace.
First of all, the worst of all these Senju has not
even been pointed out yet: Tobirama. Yes, his
students - Danzou and the elders - might as well
have been world class criminals as they actually
did more damage to their village than Orochimaru;
now THAT'S a failed philosophy. You know your
philosophy/nindo is jacked up that in attempting
to protect the village you cause it more damage
overall than people whose very intent was to
destroy the village. That being said, only
Tobirama fairly stands to be questioned here.
I would relieve Kakashi of any blame
regarding Sasuke because while his student did
turn out to be a world class criminal, Kakashi was
really helpless to do anything about the state of
the Uchiha clan and everything he did to keep
Sasuke away from the darkness was actually well
thought out and deep; he played his part right and
Sasuke turned into a criminal anyways.
Jiraiya wasn't exactly in a position to
help Nagato's position either, which was
turned extremely terrible when Danzou interviened
- so I mostly blame Tobirama for the state of
Nagato during Akatsuki's reign as well.
Orochimaru is an odd one, as the Hiruzen did have
a chance to kill him off without going through
with it, though I can't really blame him as
it'd be just as difficult for him at that
point to kill Orochimaru as it would be for Kakshi
to kill Sasuke. As for Obito... well Obito's
a bitch who could really help that?
Well, for starters, don't be so quick to put
blame on anyone. The only real Senju at fault is
Tobirama, because of how he treated the Uchiha.
However, he didn't really intend for the
violence of this scale to occur, but it can still
be partially blamed on him. As for the specifics
that you pointed out:
Orochimaru: That isn't really a fair blame.
Yes, Hiruzen did have a chance to kill Orochimaru,
but that was one of his beloved pupils. It
wasn't his fault that he went off the deep
end on his own - that was Orochi's fault. He
chose to go bad because he was greedy for
Jiraiya and Nagato: Where is the
reasoning here? As far as Jiraiya knew, Nagato was
good. Jiraiya passed down his beliefs to Nagato
that they would help bring peace to this world.
Jiraiya did everything he could to help out in
that situation. In the end, Nagato was corrupted
thanks to Danzo and Hanzo intervening and making
him kill Yahiko, as well as "The Masked
Man" showing up to corrupt him as well. Next
Kakashi and Saucegay: Kakashi is
absolutely in no way to blame for what happened to
him. Kakashi did everything in his power to get
Sasuke off the path of revenge, but the retarded
Uchiha didn't listen to him. Ultimately, this
goes down to Danzo as well, for acting outside of
Hiruzen's decision to try and work something
out with the Uchiha and ordering Itachi to kill
the whole clan. Lastly:
Minato: Again, how could he be blamed? I mean
really, the 4th did nothing to Obito but try and
help him out. What caused Obito to go bad was
"witnessing" Kakashi kill Rin - whether
or not that actually happened or was just a
genjutsu ploy by Madara, I don't know (Maybe
be so quick to blame them for people going bad.
The Senju (really, Tobirama) may have been idiots
when dealing with the Uchiha, but that was about
all they did wrong with that area. That was to be
expected, since they were rival clans.
the first then the only senju senseis that i see
on this blog are the 1st and 2nd as far as we know
the rest aren senju there last names dont match up
so they are not senju.
donzo was the
one who pretty much turned them all to evil or had
dealins with it. kabuto eveil danzo fault, oro was
anbu root and encourage his experiments, nagato
danzo, uchia massacre was danzo, and obito was
there at the insisdent all danzo
The thing is great power comes with greater
responsibility and narutoverse charactors (humans
in daily life) makes choices every moment of their
lives...kages taught their students to become
strong to protect people but some of their
students choose to protect their own interest,
whatever it maybe...kakashi taught chidori to
GaySauce to protect friends n village but GaySauce
instead modified it n used it against friends n
village...i m also of the view that, although that
mite be subjective to any new shocking revelation,
tobirama did make some bad decisions, other then
making sarutobi a kage...he raised 3 maniacs
(danzo n 2 idiot Councillors, maybe he realized it
himself n thats why he choose sarutobi over
them)...sarutobi did try to reason against uchia
massacre but he was vetoed by, again, the 2 idiots
and danzo...man i wish those freaking Councillors
to suffer for their wrong decisions...