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Naruto vs Sasuke Pre- Shippuden
Ok guys I recently read a poll on this site saying "If Naruto didn't fight Kimimaro and had stamina for his battle with Sasuke, who would have won?" and on the poll the answers that could be chosen were

A.Naruto

B.Sasuke

C.Naruto did use a lot of chakra battling Kimimaro that could have been used on Sasuke...

Now I totally disagree with answers A and C. No honestly I don't agree with the entire poll. Now check this out, during the entire fight can anyone tell me when Naruto said "I'm running low on chakra".... I have watched the episode over 100 times and never heard it. The reason I made this blog was to clear things up that people may not have understood. Now Naruto is my favorite character from the entire series so when I say this stuff it's not because I like Sasuke or anything like that. Sasuke destroyed Naruto... It's that simple. Once he went C2 during the fight you could say it was pretty much over. I mean the running out of chakra thing never made sense to me. Naruto only had TWO ninjutsu.... TWO! The isn't any possible way Naruto lost all his chakra using shadow clones the entire fight. While Sasuke still had chakra after two burst of chidori. Even after that he used Phoenix Flower Jutsu, Fire ball jutsu, Dragon Flame jutsu, and then a constant chakra burner SHARINGAN! Now the question should be how the hell did Sasuke use all of those ninjutsu and still have chakra, and I not counting the C2 chidori that finished Naruto. People it pains me to say it but Naruto had plenty of chakra. He only used the nine tails chakra because Sasuke Falcon dropped him and broke his head. So in a nutshell Naruto's lost was not caused by the Kimimaro and his one use of Multi Shadow clone jutsu (with nine tails chakra, so his normal chakra wasn't consumed)....

If you agree please say so and if you don't please say so and explain why ....


by HiddenArtist101
Written: 2 years ago
Property: Naruto

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Not sure I totally agree with you on that one. I agree its possible Saskue could have won no matter the conditions but, the real reason Naruto lost in that battle is because he wasn't going in for the kill like Saskue. Naruto's only goal during the final exchange was to prove Saskue wrong and scratch his forehead protector, while Saskue was looking to take Naruto out. Naruto would have inflicted some serious damage if he had went in for the finishing blow.

Posted by edawg 2 years ago

Well again I have to disagree, although Naruto didn't come at Sasuke with the intent to kill he said himself he came at Sasuke with everything he had to keep him from going to Orochimaru. But your point is much more valid then that Naruto low on stamina thing.... That doesn't even sound right. Naruto ran out of stamina. Ewwww!

Posted by HiddenArtist101 2 years ago

Use of multi shadow clone uses alot of chakra too...IMO, it is a half win half loss to Naruto back then coz he was able to prove to Sasuke that he is capable of scratching Sasuke's forehead protector but failed to stop Sasuke from going to Orochimaru. After the battle Naruto lost consciousness while Sasuke is still awake looking at sleeping Naruto. If you would recall, at first Sasuke has the intent to kill but he wasn't able to inflict the damage in the final exchange of jutsu. You will even see that Naruto wasn't hit by the Chidori while he's lying down. Therefore, it is also Sasuke's loss. **Chidori pierces its target but Naruto has no hole/wound from a chidori attack after the battle.

Posted by sempet 2 years ago

Correction. Naruto stated if he had to, he would break all of Sasuke's limbs and drag him back to the village by force. So by then, it was all out between the both of them. And second, Sasuke said he chose not to end Naruto's life, stating it was on a whim and was to not seek power the same way Itachi did. Instead of going through with the chidori, Sasuke instead slammed his fist into Naruto's chest. He restates this later saying "I spared your life on a whim". So if he wanted to, he could have just killed him then and there. I mean what, he "killed" him twice. A chidori through the chest, and then being falcon dropped.
and yeah he did have the intention to kill naruto, but then decided against it, wanting to defeat Itachi with his own way, hence the "sparring his life on a whim".

Posted by FMAsasuke 2 years ago

I'm fully agreeing with edawg, naruto had no intention of killing sasuke his intentions were more to reason with him.

Summoning is also a ninjutsu and would have made this fight onesided. As for stamina the Curse mark enhances the strength of a jutsu using less chakra at the cost of all the users chakra, so its like -99 chakra = 6 chidori's which i think would explain why sasuke could use all those techniques. So in summary stamina was never an issue for naruto once he used the One-Tails cloak which heals wounds and replenishes strength.

Posted by Xaio Quolt 2 years ago

QuoteUse of multi shadow clone uses alot of chakra too...IMO, it is a half win half loss to Naruto back then coz he was able to prove to Sasuke that he is capable of scratching Sasuke's forehead protector but failed to stop Sasuke from going to Orochimaru. After the battle Naruto lost consciousness while Sasuke is still awake looking at sleeping Naruto. If you would recall, at first Sasuke has the intent to kill but he wasn't able to inflict the damage in the final exchange of jutsu. You will even see that Naruto wasn't hit by the Chidori while he's lying down. Therefore, it is also Sasuke's loss. **Chidori pierces its target but Naruto has no hole/wound from a chidori attack after the battle.
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I would kind of disagree that kage bunshin uses a lot of chakra. It's more like you have to have a lot of chakra to use kage bunshin since it all gets split equally between the clones.
When you hear someone say they don't have enough chakra to make all those clones, they really mean they wouldn't have enough chakra in each of them to do anything with them rather than that they really don't have enough chakra to make them. For example at the end of the Zabuza fight when all of Kakashi's chakra is exhausted pretty much he is still able to produce a Naruto-like amount of shadow clones.

[QUOTE]Correction. Naruto stated if he had to, he would break all of Sasuke's limbs and drag him back to the village by force. So by then, it was all out between the both of them. And second, Sasuke said he chose not to end Naruto's life, stating it was on a whim and was to not seek power the same way Itachi did. Instead of going through with the chidori, Sasuke instead slammed his fist into Naruto's chest. He restates this later saying "I spared your life on a whim". So if he wanted to, he could have just killed him then and there. I mean what, he "killed" him twice. A chidori through the chest, and then being falcon dropped.
and yeah he did have the intention to kill naruto, but then decided against it, wanting to defeat Itachi with his own way, hence the "sparring his life on a whim".


Sasuke absolutely did go through with his chidori in that exchange - the combination of chidori + rasengan created a huge shockwave that didn't push either Sasuke or Naruto back because they were in their enhanced states. While in the midst of this huge shockwave they chose to exchange physical blows as well. Sasuke decided to spare Naruto when standing over him defeated at the end, not in mid-combat.

As other's have stated, if anything interfered with Naruto beating Sasuke it was the fact that he was holding back since his intention was to rescue Sasuke. Regardless of how all out their fight was, their ultimate goals remained unchanged - Sasuke to kill, and Naruto to rescue.
I rather dislike the idea of trying to compare who's stronger by using a fight in which neither side has the same (reversed) goal in the combat.
Someone who is fighting to kill will always have an advantage over anyone who is not.
Examples of fights that I think really do demonstrate who is stronger:
Naruto vs. Neji
Gaara vs. Rock Lee
Madara vs. Minato (Minato was acting as a protector, and emerged victorious despite having the disadvantage)
Examples of fights that I think do not demonstrate who is stronger:
Naruto vs. Sasuke
Gaara vs. Deidara
Naruto vs. Pain (Naruto was out to kill, Pain to capture)

Aside from some fights that Naruto was in, the only "fair" (used for lack of a better word) fights I have seen were the chuunin exams.
Otherwise it was always double teams, interference, endurance matches (one guy after the next), or just fights between people with different goals.

Posted by Almightywood 2 years ago

Quoting Almightywood
QuoteUse of multi shadow clone uses alot of chakra too...IMO, it is a half win half loss to Naruto back then coz he was able to prove to Sasuke that he is capable of scratching Sasuke's forehead protector but failed to stop Sasuke from going to Orochimaru. After the battle Naruto lost consciousness while Sasuke is still awake looking at sleeping Naruto. If you would recall, at first Sasuke has the intent to kill but he wasn't able to inflict the damage in the final exchange of jutsu. You will even see that Naruto wasn't hit by the Chidori while he's lying down. Therefore, it is also Sasuke's loss. **Chidori pierces its target but Naruto has no hole/wound from a chidori attack after the battle.
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I would kind of disagree that kage bunshin uses a lot of chakra. It's more like you have to have a lot of chakra to use kage bunshin since it all gets split equally between the clones.
When you hear someone say they don't have enough chakra to make all those clones, they really mean they wouldn't have enough chakra in each of them to do anything with them rather than that they really don't have enough chakra to make them. For example at the end of the Zabuza fight when all of Kakashi's chakra is exhausted pretty much he is still able to produce a Naruto-like amount of shadow clones.
[QUOTE]Correction. Naruto stated if he had to, he would break all of Sasuke's limbs and drag him back to the village by force. So by then, it was all out between the both of them. And second, Sasuke said he chose not to end Naruto's life, stating it was on a whim and was to not seek power the same way Itachi did. Instead of going through with the chidori, Sasuke instead slammed his fist into Naruto's chest. He restates this later saying "I spared your life on a whim". So if he wanted to, he could have just killed him then and there. I mean what, he "killed" him twice. A chidori through the chest, and then being falcon dropped.
and yeah he did have the intention to kill naruto, but then decided against it, wanting to defeat Itachi with his own way, hence the "sparring his life on a whim".

Sasuke absolutely did go through with his chidori in that exchange - the combination of chidori + rasengan created a huge shockwave that didn't push either Sasuke or Naruto back because they were in their enhanced states. While in the midst of this huge shockwave they chose to exchange physical blows as well. Sasuke decided to spare Naruto when standing over him defeated at the end, not in mid-combat.
As other's have stated, if anything interfered with Naruto beating Sasuke it was the fact that he was holding back since his intention was to rescue Sasuke. Regardless of how all out their fight was, their ultimate goals remained unchanged - Sasuke to kill, and Naruto to rescue.
I rather dislike the idea of trying to compare who's stronger by using a fight in which neither side has the same (reversed) goal in the combat.
Someone who is fighting to kill will always have an advantage over anyone who is not.
Examples of fights that I think really do demonstrate who is stronger:
Naruto vs. Neji
Gaara vs. Rock Lee
Madara vs. Minato (Minato was acting as a protector, and emerged victorious despite having the disadvantage)
Examples of fights that I think do not demonstrate who is stronger:
Naruto vs. Sasuke
Gaara vs. Deidara
Naruto vs. Pain (Naruto was out to kill, Pain to capture)
Aside from some fights that Naruto was in, the only "fair" (used for lack of a better word) fights I have seen were the chuunin exams.
Otherwise it was always double teams, interference, endurance matches (one guy after the next), or just fights between people with different goals.

I agree when you state it that way. It seems that the people who are always wanting to "protect" or "rescue" tend to hold back a bunch of their full strength so that they don't accidentally kill the target, or if they use the other to protect whoever/whatever it is they intend to protect. (i.e. Gaara was protecting the Village whilst fighting Deidara). And I think the other fights that actually had similar goals were:
Sasuke vs. Danzou

since both sides had the same goal of killing the other person.
Other than that, yeah, there was always at least one side having some reason to hold back their full potential for the sake of the other person, or for some other reason.

Posted by FMAsasuke 2 years ago

interesting points from both parties my view is that they are evenly matched, there were a lot of factors to take into consideration on both sides, it would seem that naruto wasted a lot of stamina and chakra trying to catch up to sasuke where as sasuke was in hibernating state and only when the battle between kimmimaro and naruto started venturing on his own but that is not a reason why he lost. the cursed seal was just an enhancing element to existing jutsus the user had nothing extra the same with the nine tails chakra only enhanced the users abilities. can give a lot more facts for both sides wouldnt have changed the outcome.

Posted by xxxAshexxx 2 years ago

But still you can't expect to beat someone or rescue someone without putting your all in. When you have a strong opponent that is also a reason why I know they aren't holding back. Sasuke v.s. Itachi, in that fight Sasuke was aiming to kill Itachi while Itachi's true goal was to get Orochimaru out of Sasuke so he woulnd't be cursed by the curse seal any longer. Though Itachi wasn't aiming to kill Sasuke he still put his all into the fight.

Naruto had to have went his hardest on Sasuke because without going his hardest the he would have lost even worse than he did already. Naruto had an objective and was determined to complete it. Almightywood your point made since to a certain extent but in the end I'm still gonna have to say at the current level Naruto was there was no stopping Sasuke. But Naruto gave Sasuke a run for his money so I know he put in everything he had no matter what...

But that's just me...

Posted by HiddenArtist101 2 years ago

Quoting HiddenArtist101But still you can't expect to beat someone or rescue someone without putting your all in. When you have a strong opponent that is also a reason why I know they aren't holding back. Sasuke v.s. Itachi, in that fight Sasuke was aiming to kill Itachi while Itachi's true goal was to get Orochimaru out of Sasuke so he woulnd't be cursed by the curse seal any longer. Though Itachi wasn't aiming to kill Sasuke he still put his all into the fight.
Naruto had to have went his hardest on Sasuke because without going his hardest the he would have lost even worse than he did already. Naruto had an objective and was determined to complete it. Almightywood your point made since to a certain extent but in the end I'm still gonna have to say at the current level Naruto was there was no stopping Sasuke. But Naruto gave Sasuke a run for his money so I know he put in everything he had no matter what...
But that's just me...


man,you don't have to be THAT one-sided....Itachi didn't go all out cause with a swing of susano's sword sasuke would have been sealed in a jiffy at that state..on top of that,itachi's vision was lame scince the beggining of the fight,plus, he was coughing up blood,which is not exactly a health indicator..

putting that aside,you have to consider what would happen if naruto had directed the metal-scraching nail a little lower,like sasuke's eyes,throat or chest..do you still think it wouldn't have made a difference?naruto also had the upper hand before the full awakening of sasuke's sharingan,and when he put him down he just tried to reason with him!on the contrary once sasuke got a hold of naruto,he pierced a chidori THROUGH HIS CHEST...if you wanna daydream that this was the full fighting potential of naruto back then be my guest,but it's all obvious to a non-prejudiced person..

Posted by z-existence 2 years ago

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