I was in a shock when I saw this. I had been pushing for the Rikudou Sennin, or even Madara's brother. Madara's "real body" was the last on my mind, but I don't think it's his "real body," per se. Maybe "original body."
I still don't doubt the identity of Tobi being Madara. He knows too much, has the power of the Senju (and is therefore able to use Izanagi), and has the proper ambition. The shape of the eye, notably, the pronounced wrinkle above and below, which is unique to Madara, is also present on both bodies. Albeit, Tobi has a more wrinkled face, which supports the idea he is very old.
As for Tobi having the power of the Senju...I've thought for a long time that Madara was using limbs made by Zetsu, who is derived from Wood Element (and therefore Senju). This fits when you consider he can break off his arm and throw it at someone, then get a new one. He also didn't seem to be in pain when Torune's bugs were in his arm.
When Madara was resurrected, the first thing he said was "So, it finally happened...it appears that little brat Nagato managed to grow." I recall, upon hearing of Nagato's sacrifice, that Tobi said "I can't believe Nagato used his Rinne Tensei like that. It was supposed to be for me...what a betrayal." Madara was clearly expecting to be resurrected by Nagato's technique, which is a true resurrection, rather than Edo Tensei, which he seemed disturbed about.
With all this considered, I can't see how Tobi is not Madara. The only logical explanation is that he could also use Muu's splitting technique, but I'm not going to claim that he did. Logic has no power over the god of a universe, who can create whatever means to an end he pleases.
It does seem likely, though. Even though the original resurrected Muu's soul was sealed, the split half is completely free from it, and its power is lower. This seems to be the case for Tobi, as well.
I think Madara gave the Rinnegan to nagato before
die against Hashirama and part of his soul was
able to survive and find zetsu. Then both have
similar memories until that fight. We will se in
the coming chapters what the undead Madara
remembers and knows. It would be great if Madara
and Tobi fight each other.
I just want the Uchiha to run into eachother
during this war. I don't care if its Sasuke
& Itachi, or Itachi and Madara, or Tobi &
Itachi, or Sasuke & Madra, or all 3...OR MOST
OF ALL, Sasuke & Itachi!
[QUOTE=serglom]I think Madara gave the Rinnegan to
nagato before die against Hashirama/QUOTE]
The problem with that is that Nagato
isn't older than 30. I imagine he's
about 25. Senju Hashirama lived a normal lifespan.
Certainly not anything too lengthy. No specific
time is given for the era he was hokage, but we
can piece it together.
teenager/child, Sarutobi Hiruzen was a student of
Senju Tobirama. As he was 68 or 69 when he died in
Part 1, he would be about 72 now, in part 2. As
most ninja become genin and are assigned to a
jounin when they are 12, the gap between his death
and the Second Hokage being in power (meaning the
First being deceased) is at least 60 years. Nagato
did not exist at the same time as Hashirama or the
My guess is that, if
Madara used a splitting technique, he split
himself to escape death during that battle, and at
any subsequent points to escape death so many
times that his power weakened to the point
it's at now.
It has already been
proven that souls can be partially sealed or exist
in different realms (living, dead) at the same
time. Hiruzen had fractions of his soul sealed
into the Death God when he sealed the First's
and Second's souls. He also sealed a
fraction of Orochimaru's soul. It's not
crazy to say that a (rather large) fraction of
Madara's soul was really dead, and that is
what has been resurrected by Kabuto.
[QUOTE=Powder119][QUOTE=serglom]I think Madara
gave the Rinnegan to nagato before die against
Hashirama/QUOTE] But if madara gave the
rinnegan to nagato after die how is it possible
the death soul of madara could remember that? it
would be wierd (more if is possible) that the
splitted souls share the memories after being
separated. I only know something similar in kabe
bushing of naruto but in that case the clones
share the knowledge with the real user and not the
other way around...
ok i read your theories and all that jazz but one
thing is left unsaid. the facts are that the tobi
we think is madara is not madara at all. madara
the edo tensei is saying nagato he knew nagato had
the rinnegan and knew someday that he would revive
madara hes not saying that it was a plan expected
as some sort of plan hes simply saying hmm he
finally brought me back but then he finds out hes
in edp tensei and is shocked to realize that
nagato isnt the one who brought him back and for
tobi tobi is pissed abotu nagato using his
rinnegan to bring back the real madara because it
gave kabuto the dna to put madara in edo tensei.
tobi wanted it in case of emergency he could come
back. tobi is definetley obito from gaiden.
because if you read gaiden the grass ninja that
attacks obito and then kakakashi sacrafices his
eye to save obito uses a techinique that goes
zuzuzuzuzu when used just like the current zetsu
and if you think how did kakashi manage to gain
the myangekyo. because obito unlocked it and it
activated kakashis and also kakashi can warp
things into another dimension with his myangekyo
funny thing is tobi can warp through dimensions
with his and i think kakashis is limited because
hes not an uchiha. and i believe that tobi has
been masquerading as madara because of his
severley destroyed body saying hes a shell of
madara. which is just some jutsu the grass ninja
used on obito to bring him back to some form of
body being the setzu ninja that is. thats why he
can lose limbs and continue fighting because he
has the other half of black zetsu given to him
from the orginal zetsu aka that grass ninja
because black zetsu is negative and when split a
spore zetsu white zetsu forms which is full of
senju chakra. so obito has half of black zetsu and
in his remaining body is being pumped with senju
chakra like a white zetsu with a his own mind.
plus the sharingans of kakashi and tobi r too
similar in power and use and it would make perfect
sense why tobi was freaked out when kabuto showed
madara to him. knowing kabuto can end the war just
by given up the answer that is tobi is not
actually madara but obito
Obito entire right body and eye is crushed so it
can't be him. The masked guy right eye is
perfectly intact like he doesn't transplant
it. Plus the mask guy is too powerful to be him.
The masked guy can take on the fourth hokage and
can control the nine tails fox. We are talking
about someone who is powerful like Madara. The
only mentioned suspected Uchiha members powerful
like that is Uchiha Shisui, Uchiha Izuna and maybe
It is difficult to
exclude Madara because he is pure evil. No one
hated the leaf village more than him. If someone
were to unleash the nine-tails on the village, it
would be him. When you look at the masked
guy's intention and manipulative behavior, it
has to be Madara. If the masked guy can come with
eye of the moon plan and possess knowledge of the
first hokage powers, it is very likely Madara.
Madara might be possessing Obito's
body or another member of the uchiha clan through
his mysterious powers. It could be the powers of
the eternal mangekyou sharingan.
it can't be obito. 1. we know what
obito's mangekyuo sharingan would look like
bc kakashi has his left eye. 2. Tobi had both his
left and right eyes (with sharingans in them) he
used his left against konan to use izanagi. only
way i think it cud b obito is if madara survived
the fight with the 1st and somehow took
obito's body kinda like how orochimaru had
been switching bodies