I was in a shock when I saw this. I had been pushing for the Rikudou Sennin, or even Madara's brother. Madara's "real body" was the last on my mind, but I don't think it's his "real body," per se. Maybe "original body."
I still don't doubt the identity of Tobi being Madara. He knows too much, has the power of the Senju (and is therefore able to use Izanagi), and has the proper ambition. The shape of the eye, notably, the pronounced wrinkle above and below, which is unique to Madara, is also present on both bodies. Albeit, Tobi has a more wrinkled face, which supports the idea he is very old.
As for Tobi having the power of the Senju...I've thought for a long time that Madara was using limbs made by Zetsu, who is derived from Wood Element (and therefore Senju). This fits when you consider he can break off his arm and throw it at someone, then get a new one. He also didn't seem to be in pain when Torune's bugs were in his arm.
When Madara was resurrected, the first thing he said was "So, it finally happened...it appears that little brat Nagato managed to grow." I recall, upon hearing of Nagato's sacrifice, that Tobi said "I can't believe Nagato used his Rinne Tensei like that. It was supposed to be for me...what a betrayal." Madara was clearly expecting to be resurrected by Nagato's technique, which is a true resurrection, rather than Edo Tensei, which he seemed disturbed about.
With all this considered, I can't see how Tobi is not Madara. The only logical explanation is that he could also use Muu's splitting technique, but I'm not going to claim that he did. Logic has no power over the god of a universe, who can create whatever means to an end he pleases.
It does seem likely, though. Even though the original resurrected Muu's soul was sealed, the split half is completely free from it, and its power is lower. This seems to be the case for Tobi, as well.
It's a distinct trait that only he has. If
there's anything that's consistent in
this series, it's eye shape. When Naruto was
stabbed by Pain's chakra rod, and it flashed
rinnegan, it was Nagato's eyes, not
Tobi clearly has the
body of Madara, or someone that hasn't been
introduced that has the same eyes. You can use
all the logic you want against it, but
there's no way to refute that the eyes are
exactly the same.
i think Izuna Uchiha is a distinct possibility. if
Tobi isnt the real Madara then he could have
fabricated the entire story. we know that Uchiha
come back from Edo Tensei with sharingan even if
they were taken. Case in point; Itachi. They were
said to be of equal power. And the familial
resemblance could explain the similar eyes. Kagami
is possible too. Having been in the same squad as
Tobirama Senju it would explain his intimate
knowledge of things of the past. Buttt... i do
agree with powder in that i find it difficult to
believe a genius of Itachi's caliber would
make a mistake like that.
I went through the naruto wiki of the pictures of
all the uchiha listed on the "Uchiha
Clan" page. None of the others had wrinkles
close to resembling Madara's.
I'm ruling out someone possessing
Madara's body via Orochimaru's
body-switch technique now, with two points: one,
even Sasuke countered it easily; two, the soul of
the possessed lives on inside the body, suppressed
by the new host's chakra. Madara
wouldn't have been able to be resurrected if
this was the case.
I just finished
chasing down something. When Tobi talks about how
Itachi sought him out for help with the Uchiha
massacre, the anime shows Tobi with skin. The
related chapter shows him with the usual black
skin/covering. I thought maybe it was a clone
made by Zetsu or something (which clones
everything except abilities), but, now that that
particular inconsistency is made to be an error by
I also wondered why his
hair looked so radically different. However,
there's a point in the past where
Madara's hair looks almost exactly like that
So, I'm just going to
compile a quick list of reasons why Tobi is most
-Claimed to be Madara to
many people -Believed to be Madara by Uchiha
Itachi and Namikaze Minato -Same eye shape -Same hair (mostly) -Same ambition (destroy
Konoha) -Same method used in both attempts --Recall that Madara attacked Konoha with the
Kyuubi during the First's era, and Tobi did
the same during the Fourth's era -Even
greater ambition (become host to Juubi, place
world under genjutsu) -Incalculable
resources -Possession of Senju abilities -Vast knowledge of Konoha's past -Vast
knowledge of everything related to the sharingan,
Uchiha, tailed beasts, rikudou sennin, various
clans and their techniques -Unique space-time
technique that surpasses the Fourth's (no
preparation needed) --Also includes separate
And now the clear reasons why
he couldn't (logically) be Madara.
-Madara was resurrected by Kabuto, implying his
soul was in the realm of the dead.
However, as proven by the Third in the fight
with Orochimaru, your soul can be fragmented and
exist in more than one realm at the same time. It
is possible that your soul won't
automatically reconstruct in the realm of the
The issue is further
complicated by the fact that Madara had intentions
to be resurrected by Nagato. The fact that Nagato
was born at least 60 years after his supposed
death is the main logical contradiction. Perhaps
Madara lived that long, surviving his final
encounter with Hashirama, through sheer willpower
and his unnaturally strong chakra, and perhaps
using some technique to clone himself on his
deathbed, creating a clone (Tobi) that only has a
tiny fraction of power compared to the true
Either way, I think it's
far too late to start trying to figure out who
Tobi is. He is CLEARLY Madara. I think the best
question is "how IS Tobi Madara?"
We're never going to figure it out, either.
Just last week, Kishi invented a technique
(Muu's) that could possibly explain the dual
existence of Tobi/Madara, but there's no way
to be certain.
and you never
see the other half of obitos body you see that its
crushed but that does not mean his sharingan was
destroyed and in the fight against konan you still
never see him use a myangekyo so as far as obitos
myangekyo could easily be the same as kakashis but
because kakashi isnt an uchiha cannot warp like
obito and can only use it as a like warp gun