itachi killed his dad end of story on that one.
and on tobis eyes being the same as
madara when have we ever seen him us the
mangekyugun never the regular sharigun all look
the same.
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The resurrection of Madara
I was in a shock when I saw this. I had been pushing for the Rikudou Sennin, or even Madara's brother. Madara's "real body" was the last on my mind, but I don't think it's his "real body," per se. Maybe "original body."
I still don't doubt the identity of Tobi being Madara. He knows too much, has the power of the Senju (and is therefore able to use Izanagi), and has the proper ambition. The shape of the eye, notably, the pronounced wrinkle above and below, which is unique to Madara, is also present on both bodies. Albeit, Tobi has a more wrinkled face, which supports the idea he is very old.
As for Tobi having the power of the Senju...I've thought for a long time that Madara was using limbs made by Zetsu, who is derived from Wood Element (and therefore Senju). This fits when you consider he can break off his arm and throw it at someone, then get a new one. He also didn't seem to be in pain when Torune's bugs were in his arm.
When Madara was resurrected, the first thing he said was "So, it finally happened...it appears that little brat Nagato managed to grow." I recall, upon hearing of Nagato's sacrifice, that Tobi said "I can't believe Nagato used his Rinne Tensei like that. It was supposed to be for me...what a betrayal." Madara was clearly expecting to be resurrected by Nagato's technique, which is a true resurrection, rather than Edo Tensei, which he seemed disturbed about.
With all this considered, I can't see how Tobi is not Madara. The only logical explanation is that he could also use Muu's splitting technique, but I'm not going to claim that he did. Logic has no power over the god of a universe, who can create whatever means to an end he pleases.
It does seem likely, though. Even though the original resurrected Muu's soul was sealed, the split half is completely free from it, and its power is lower. This seems to be the case for Tobi, as well.
I still don't doubt the identity of Tobi being Madara. He knows too much, has the power of the Senju (and is therefore able to use Izanagi), and has the proper ambition. The shape of the eye, notably, the pronounced wrinkle above and below, which is unique to Madara, is also present on both bodies. Albeit, Tobi has a more wrinkled face, which supports the idea he is very old.
As for Tobi having the power of the Senju...I've thought for a long time that Madara was using limbs made by Zetsu, who is derived from Wood Element (and therefore Senju). This fits when you consider he can break off his arm and throw it at someone, then get a new one. He also didn't seem to be in pain when Torune's bugs were in his arm.
When Madara was resurrected, the first thing he said was "So, it finally happened...it appears that little brat Nagato managed to grow." I recall, upon hearing of Nagato's sacrifice, that Tobi said "I can't believe Nagato used his Rinne Tensei like that. It was supposed to be for me...what a betrayal." Madara was clearly expecting to be resurrected by Nagato's technique, which is a true resurrection, rather than Edo Tensei, which he seemed disturbed about.
With all this considered, I can't see how Tobi is not Madara. The only logical explanation is that he could also use Muu's splitting technique, but I'm not going to claim that he did. Logic has no power over the god of a universe, who can create whatever means to an end he pleases.
It does seem likely, though. Even though the original resurrected Muu's soul was sealed, the split half is completely free from it, and its power is lower. This seems to be the case for Tobi, as well.
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Posted by wombat3476 2 years ago
and itachi is the shit thats why tobi was scared
of him. and we really havent seen everything from
itachi
Posted by wombat3476 2 years ago
obito = no chance
madara = high probabality
izuna = low chance
fugaku = low chance
shisui = low chance
kagami = somewhat in middle
madara = high probabality
izuna = low chance
fugaku = low chance
shisui = low chance
kagami = somewhat in middle
Posted by coldzero241 2 years ago
No, his actual EYE. Look at these pics:
Tobi taking off his mask to Sasuke
http://tinyurl.com/62dd8lg
Tobi's mask broken by Konan
http://tinyurl.com/6gmth8d
Madara seen in the past
http://tinyurl.com/6enjtkx
Madara resurrected
http://tinyurl.com/6j6d6vu
The creases above and below his eye are consistently there. Albeit, Tobi has more wrinkles, but that's because he's supposedly old as shit. No other Uchiha that we know of shares that trait.
Posted by Powder119 2 years ago
are u talking about a wrinkle come on a wrinkle u
cant judge anything by that i mean a scar yes a
wrinkle no
Posted by wombat3476 2 years ago
It's a distinct trait that only he has. If
there's anything that's consistent in
this series, it's eye shape. When Naruto was
stabbed by Pain's chakra rod, and it flashed
rinnegan, it was Nagato's eyes, not
Yahiko's.
Tobi clearly has the body of Madara, or someone that hasn't been introduced that has the same eyes. You can use all the logic you want against it, but there's no way to refute that the eyes are exactly the same.
Tobi clearly has the body of Madara, or someone that hasn't been introduced that has the same eyes. You can use all the logic you want against it, but there's no way to refute that the eyes are exactly the same.
Posted by Powder119 2 years ago
i think Izuna Uchiha is a distinct possibility. if
Tobi isnt the real Madara then he could have
fabricated the entire story. we know that Uchiha
come back from Edo Tensei with sharingan even if
they were taken. Case in point; Itachi. They were
said to be of equal power. And the familial
resemblance could explain the similar eyes. Kagami
is possible too. Having been in the same squad as
Tobirama Senju it would explain his intimate
knowledge of things of the past. Buttt... i do
agree with powder in that i find it difficult to
believe a genius of Itachi's caliber would
make a mistake like that.
Posted by ethan.mark.allard 2 years ago
I went through the naruto wiki of the pictures of
all the uchiha listed on the "Uchiha
Clan" page. None of the others had wrinkles
close to resembling Madara's.
I'm ruling out someone possessing Madara's body via Orochimaru's body-switch technique now, with two points: one, even Sasuke countered it easily; two, the soul of the possessed lives on inside the body, suppressed by the new host's chakra. Madara wouldn't have been able to be resurrected if this was the case.
I just finished chasing down something. When Tobi talks about how Itachi sought him out for help with the Uchiha massacre, the anime shows Tobi with skin. The related chapter shows him with the usual black skin/covering. I thought maybe it was a clone made by Zetsu or something (which clones everything except abilities), but, now that that particular inconsistency is made to be an error by the anime...
I also wondered why his hair looked so radically different. However, there's a point in the past where Madara's hair looks almost exactly like that era's Tobi: http://www.mangareader.net/93-404-7/naruto/chapter -399.html
So, I'm just going to compile a quick list of reasons why Tobi is most likely Madara.
-Claimed to be Madara to many people
-Believed to be Madara by Uchiha Itachi and Namikaze Minato
-Same eye shape
-Same hair (mostly)
-Same ambition (destroy Konoha)
-Same method used in both attempts
--Recall that Madara attacked Konoha with the Kyuubi during the First's era, and Tobi did the same during the Fourth's era
-Even greater ambition (become host to Juubi, place world under genjutsu)
-Incalculable resources
-Possession of Senju abilities
-Vast knowledge of Konoha's past
-Vast knowledge of everything related to the sharingan, Uchiha, tailed beasts, rikudou sennin, various clans and their techniques
-Unique space-time technique that surpasses the Fourth's (no preparation needed)
--Also includes separate dimension
And now the clear reasons why he couldn't (logically) be Madara.
-Madara was resurrected by Kabuto, implying his soul was in the realm of the dead.
However, as proven by the Third in the fight with Orochimaru, your soul can be fragmented and exist in more than one realm at the same time. It is possible that your soul won't automatically reconstruct in the realm of the living.
The issue is further complicated by the fact that Madara had intentions to be resurrected by Nagato. The fact that Nagato was born at least 60 years after his supposed death is the main logical contradiction. Perhaps Madara lived that long, surviving his final encounter with Hashirama, through sheer willpower and his unnaturally strong chakra, and perhaps using some technique to clone himself on his deathbed, creating a clone (Tobi) that only has a tiny fraction of power compared to the true Madara.
Either way, I think it's far too late to start trying to figure out who Tobi is. He is CLEARLY Madara. I think the best question is "how IS Tobi Madara?" We're never going to figure it out, either. Just last week, Kishi invented a technique (Muu's) that could possibly explain the dual existence of Tobi/Madara, but there's no way to be certain.
We'll just have to wait two more days, or so.
I'm ruling out someone possessing Madara's body via Orochimaru's body-switch technique now, with two points: one, even Sasuke countered it easily; two, the soul of the possessed lives on inside the body, suppressed by the new host's chakra. Madara wouldn't have been able to be resurrected if this was the case.
I just finished chasing down something. When Tobi talks about how Itachi sought him out for help with the Uchiha massacre, the anime shows Tobi with skin. The related chapter shows him with the usual black skin/covering. I thought maybe it was a clone made by Zetsu or something (which clones everything except abilities), but, now that that particular inconsistency is made to be an error by the anime...
I also wondered why his hair looked so radically different. However, there's a point in the past where Madara's hair looks almost exactly like that era's Tobi: http://www.mangareader.net/93-404-7/naruto/chapter -399.html
So, I'm just going to compile a quick list of reasons why Tobi is most likely Madara.
-Claimed to be Madara to many people
-Believed to be Madara by Uchiha Itachi and Namikaze Minato
-Same eye shape
-Same hair (mostly)
-Same ambition (destroy Konoha)
-Same method used in both attempts
--Recall that Madara attacked Konoha with the Kyuubi during the First's era, and Tobi did the same during the Fourth's era
-Even greater ambition (become host to Juubi, place world under genjutsu)
-Incalculable resources
-Possession of Senju abilities
-Vast knowledge of Konoha's past
-Vast knowledge of everything related to the sharingan, Uchiha, tailed beasts, rikudou sennin, various clans and their techniques
-Unique space-time technique that surpasses the Fourth's (no preparation needed)
--Also includes separate dimension
And now the clear reasons why he couldn't (logically) be Madara.
-Madara was resurrected by Kabuto, implying his soul was in the realm of the dead.
However, as proven by the Third in the fight with Orochimaru, your soul can be fragmented and exist in more than one realm at the same time. It is possible that your soul won't automatically reconstruct in the realm of the living.
The issue is further complicated by the fact that Madara had intentions to be resurrected by Nagato. The fact that Nagato was born at least 60 years after his supposed death is the main logical contradiction. Perhaps Madara lived that long, surviving his final encounter with Hashirama, through sheer willpower and his unnaturally strong chakra, and perhaps using some technique to clone himself on his deathbed, creating a clone (Tobi) that only has a tiny fraction of power compared to the true Madara.
Either way, I think it's far too late to start trying to figure out who Tobi is. He is CLEARLY Madara. I think the best question is "how IS Tobi Madara?" We're never going to figure it out, either. Just last week, Kishi invented a technique (Muu's) that could possibly explain the dual existence of Tobi/Madara, but there's no way to be certain.
We'll just have to wait two more days, or so.
Posted by Powder119 2 years ago
yes but tobi
has an entire wall full of sharingans he took from
the uchiha slaughter so for him to use izanagi and
sacrafice an eye is not a big deal
Posted by uchihahall 2 years ago
and you never
see the other half of obitos body you see that its
crushed but that does not mean his sharingan was
destroyed and in the fight against konan you still
never see him use a myangekyo so as far as obitos
myangekyo could easily be the same as kakashis but
because kakashi isnt an uchiha cannot warp like
obito and can only use it as a like warp gun
Posted by uchihahall 2 years ago
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