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Who is Tobi: The History of Madara
As you all know, Chapter #560 came out a while ago, and many people said that it explained nothing and just showed off Uchiha Madara's god-mode abilities and the Rinnegan. The previous chapter, #559 revealed that Uchiha Madara DIED at about the time he fought Hashirama, as his resurrection shows no true signs of age.

My theory behind the mask:

I think it'd be best to start from the very beginning before Konoha was founded, when Madara and Izuna had the eye exchange. In this part, Tobi explains to Sasuke that he takes HIS BROTHER'S eyes. At no point does he say he takes Izuna's eyes, and this is probably the strongest argument for Izuna being Tobi. You can also say that his fear of the real Madara is another strong factor, but I say that Tobi not explicitly mentioning taking Izuna's eyes is the strongest argument.

For now, we'll say Madara took Izuna's eyes, as it simply flows with the rest of the story more smoothly. Now, Madara obtains EMS from the eye exchange, killing Izuna in the process. Fast-forward to Madara's fight with Hashirama at the Valley of the End. Now, keep in mind Madara's abilities:

Madara has:
Kyuubi
EMS
Just insane abilities in general

Hashirama has:
Mokuton
1st Hokage Hax
Bjuu control

I believe that the battle went like this: Hashirama extracts the Kyuubi with his control, and seals it (as he IS a distant relative of the Uzumaki) into a scroll or something. However, being Madara, he still lives and continues to fight, although the loss of the 9-tails takes it's toll. Madara then awakens the Rinnegan at The VotE, and manages to salvage some of Hashirama's cells (probably using some function of the Rinnegan). Hashirama leaves Madara to die, and returns to found Konoha.

Madara, still alive, although gravely wounded and short on time, uses the Senju cells and his own cells as a basis for the creation of Zetsu- a genetic combination carrying Hashirama's cells and Madara's cells. Madara then dies, but sends Zetsu on the mission so that he can one day become complete with the 10-tails and be 100% revived, unlike his state through Edo Tensei. He orders Zetsu to take his Rinnegan eyes after his death (explaining why he still has the Rinnegan) and find a worthy host. Zetsu searches for years until, during the 2nd Shinobi World War, he finds Nagato and his parents. Every single "Konoha" shinobi that attacked Amegakure was a white Zetsu clone (I believe), including the two shinobi that killed Nagato's parents. Zetsu finds Nagato alone, and decides that he shall be the new host, and knocks him unconscious and then transfers the eyes into Nagato. Nagato awakens to find the two shinobi that killed his parents dead, and believes that he killed them. In actuality, it's just a setup by Zetsu.

Years later, the 3rd Shinobi World War breaks out, and Zetsu is still trying to find a host body for Madara to temporarily use. He needs an Uchiha so that he can achieve Izanagi- something that was out of his reach, but with Zetsu's cells, could be accomplished. Zetsu finds Obito crushed under the rocks, and using clones or w/e removes the rocks and finds that he still has a sharingan- his right sharingan is still intact. Zetsu immediately responds to this by using Obito as the temporary body for Madara, and restores him using his own cells and Madara's cells, giving the "dead" Obito new life, being revived by Zetsu. Now "Tobi" takes on the mind of Madara- all his memories, everything except his physical body- and Madara is now amongst the living. Since Zetsu had Madara's cells, he now knows everything that Zetsu had done, including whom he gave the Rinnegan to. Using Madara's knowledge of MS, and Obito's sharingan (which has similar effects to Kamui) he tracks down Nagato, Yahiko, and Konan, and convinces Yahiko in one way or another to create Akatsuki.

Keep in mind that Tobi or Obito or Madara (whomever you want to call him) only has 1 sharingan now, his RIGHT sharingan, and he will only have one sharingan UNTIL the UCHIHA MASSACRE, when he steals a random sharingan eye to use for Izanagi. Tobi then fades away into the background as he watches Akatsuki destroy and capture the Bjuu so he can create the Juubi.

Since Tobi is Madara, it explains why Madara knows Nagato's name, and also answers any doubts addressed towards the Tobi IS NOT Obito campaign. "Obito wasn't old enough to have fought Minato". This is a false statement as Kakashi is shown to be about 16, and Obito was about 2 years older than Kakashi, making him eligible to attack the Leaf Village. Also, since Madara was still alive after Madara defeated him, he had seen where Hashirama had sealed the Kyuubi, and followed it's pathway down to Kushina. As a former host of the Kyuubi, it would make sense how he was able to summon it through a blood contract. The Kyuubi (despite probably not liking being controlled) probably wouldn't have resisted Madara as he would have others- he loved Madara's strong hatred, and embodied it. Since Madara didn't have the large chakra and physical ability that his natural body had, he wasn't able to maintain control of the Kyuubi as much as he wanted to.

"Obito's DEAD, and he can therefore not be Tobi." Even if he is dead, Zetsu could take care of that. Chances are, however, that he never DID die for good, as he's not among the resurrected in the Edo Tensei Army, and is rather just a body taken over by Zetsu/Madara, although he still lives. In episode 215, we see Tobi's right arm being white (like Zetsu) while his left is normal.... coincidence? I think not.

I also believe that Zetsu used to be entirely white, but since he had to use his right half to heal Obito's body for Madara, only his left half is now white, while the other is black (don't know how the black half was made though).

Also, Tobi [Madara] could've feared his own body because he planned on reviving it himself so that he could become "100% complete".

If there's a point I missed, or you want to comment or add new ideas, just post below.


by Matthias35
Written: 2 years ago
Property: Naruto

Blog Comments (36)

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I think Tobi and Madara not the same for the reason that their ideals are different. Madara want Uchiha supremacy while Tobi wants to enslave and unite the shinobi world.
Also you haven't factored in why itachi would not want Sasuke to see Tobi's face.
Obito also had good ideals(almost similar to that of Naruto's). It will most unfair for him to be later portrayed in this way as Tobi.
Also I think obito and kakashi are of the same age and Obito is not among the resurrected army because at the time of his death he was chunin of no repute who had not even managed to awaken MS. In fact, Obito was a late bloomer only recently having awaken his sharigan.

Posted by Quajo 2 years ago

it wasnt tobis face that itachi didnt want him to see he just didnt want sasuke to talk to tobi because he could be influence and turn evil he just set up the amatarsu to activate that way is what i believe

Posted by wombat3476 2 years ago

really good theory, but i dont think Obito is Madara. Cause go to chapter 510 and look at his face when the mask is half blown up, his face is too old to be Obito's when Obito is supposed to be same age as Kakashi.

Posted by kyrgyz 2 years ago

Those are some really good and possible ideas there. Pretty good theory.
This is just thrown in there, but if you look at Tobi's name it looks like Obito if you remove the "T" and put it at the end of the "i" and then add another "o" you get Obito. Which could explain how he came up with such a random name.
Thinking about it though,it could still be one of the following that could be the fake Madara behind that mask: Madara cells into a new being (I always thought that to), Sasuke's father, Izuna,and Shisui (I think both of his eyes were taken actually 1 from Danzo and 1 in Itachi's bird. Also just to throw something else out,what if Madara used the Byakugan user that AO defeated to create a new Sharingan for and for his new body as a disguised Mizukage using Zetsu cloning abilities, just because it's in AO's right eye doesn't mean he took the eye from the right.

Posted by 0Light-0Shadow 2 years ago

To explain how it could be Sasuke's father:
The relation Madara tries to create with Sasuke, Danzo could of taken Sasuke's father's eye, and place it on his arm, but some how his father escaped. Itachi may have been tricked by his father thinking he killed him, but was tricked by a clone. Sasuke's father probably used Madara's cells and the first Hokage's cells to become more powerful. Maybe Sasuke's father is the only Sharingan user that teleport people inside his eye or that dimension we witnessed with Sasuke and Karin inside.
The differences between the Madara's was already mentioned, Tobi wants to brainwash or mind control people into a false peaceful world, and the old Madara just wanted to rule the villages. I guess we'll see soon

Posted by 0Light-0Shadow 2 years ago

This now makes me think that Kakashi is going to have an upgrade, except his Rinnegan will has some different abilities or capabilities.

Posted by 0Light-0Shadow 2 years ago

All I can say is wow, that is highly possible. I have to admit, that the connection between Zetsu and Tobi had been a bit of a mystery until I read your theory. Granted, it's just a theory and not any actual answers yet, but it is a good place holder until the truth comes out.

Posted by Ascott29 2 years ago

Okay, wombat.... I will answer your questions.

Obito was taken over completely by Zetsu and Madara- he had no way of thinking for himself, and even if he could, wouldn't be able to commit to action.

Zetsu HAS that type of ability- he can split himself into two and then reconstruct his own body. Why wouldn't he be able to do that to another person?

He looks old because it is more than likely due to either 1) a highly advanced medical ninjutsu that rapidly reproduced new cells and as such aged the cells OR 2) those are NOT wrinkles, and are actually scars. I personally think the second solution makes more sense, as Zetsu is more reconstructive than medical.

Posted by Matthias35 2 years ago

How could it be Sasuke's father? Sasuke watched Itachi murder his parents... try to argue that Itachi tricked Sasuke with a genjutsu? He didn't, and they obviously weren't clones. Clones don't bleed, FYI. There's also no way for him to have obtained Madara's cells OR Hashirama's for that matter, unless he associated with Orochimaru. IF that were the case, Oro would've mentioned it at some point, and DEFINITELY would've tried stealing his sharingan.

@Light Shadow.... eh? What are you talking about? Byakugan into a sharingan... I don't follow. I understand that the Byakugan and Sharingan are related, but WHAT? As far as we know, Advanced Byakugan ≠ Sharingan.

Posted by Matthias35 2 years ago

I noticed that whenever Tobi took off his mask or see part of the face, they never showed the left side completely. you only see his left eye (fight with konan in chapter 510). When Tobi almost took off his mask in front of sasuke, showed only his right side of his face which appeared wrinkled and that was side obito was crushed. If you look closely they don't really look like wrinkles. It looks like someone stitched that side up. Tobi right side probably looks wrinkles as a result of Obitos injuries and zetsu wasn't able to repair it fully. Also, they never showed those wrinkles on his left side. They ONLY showed his right side of his face. Therefore, this theory that Tobi is living in Obito's body is POSSIBLE.

Posted by kent0005 2 years ago