I once again saw someone saying that Tobi's s/t jutsu is the same as kamui, and it made me decide to post my theory on it. I believe Tobi's s/t jutsu is not a sharingan technique. Here are some supporting facts:
1. every sharingan technique has been named pretty much instantly upon use.
2. it doesn't seem to require Mangekyo to be used, which should make it a common sharingan jutsu. If it was a common sharingan jutsu, lots of people should have known about it/been able to use it, and should have named it upon appearance.
3. every sharingan technique seems to already be known, there are no real unique sharingan jutsus - as evidenced by the fact that all the jutsus are named instantly
4. there are techniques that center on the eyes that are not sharingan-related, gaara's 3rd inner eye technique for one.
and who has been naming most of these tech
akatsuki zetsu named susano, and tobi name izagani
most people new about that because of the village
they where stuff they have seen it doesnt mean the
eye is limited to what they have seen already.
plus tobi has an eye under his mask he could have
used that. plus when he does use that tech u dont
get a good view of the eye. i dont think he is an
uchia but someone who uses them like danzo and
kakashi. tobi has alot of eyes who is to say he
didnt combine a few of them
each sharingan is unique. only brothers have a
similar sharingan thats why you can only achieve
EMS by transplanting the ones eyes into the
others. Shisui`s ocular genjutsu is far superior
to itachi`s genjutsu and if it wasnt different why
did danzo and tobi want shisui`s eyes in
particular. i have also noticed that each
sharingan user is different where itachi is
genjutsu orientated kakashi copying jutsu and
sasuke is all three combined but he doesnt really
copy techniques only technique he copied was rock
lee`s taijustu style
didnt name amaterasu when he and kisami fought
jiraya he said afterwards he used tsukuyomi and
amaterasu back to back kakashi doesnt name his
time/space jutsu either.
brothers jutus arent necesarlily the same itachi
gave sasuke his skills. and kakashis isnt for
copying all of there eyes are they copy the jutsu
because they see the hand signs in slow motion and
they can see the color of there element kakashi is
just skilled at it. and each eye is dif one eye is
genjutsu and one is physical. kakashi took the
physical eye from obito. and itachs time space
jutsu is the tsukuyomi.itachis and shuis genjutsu
are both strong itachi alters the perception of
time while shuis controls the mind. sasuke dosent
really have any great gejutsu well he didnt he
might have itachis now
Itachi didn't give Sasuke his skills. He set
a trap with his skills that went off once. If you
could move skills from eye to eye, people would be
switching which eyes they used to cast which
ability, but they only ever cast the same
technique from the same eye. The fact that they
have the same skills in this case is because they
are brothers, but that doesn't mean that all
brothers have the same skills.
named his technique Kamui.
Itachi's techniques were named not just by
him, but also by many others..
claimed that each sharingan wasn't unique, I
claimed that there are no unique sharingan
It's true you never
actually see his eye when he uses this jutsu, but
we also have never seen Tobi pull out the MS at
all, so I still maintain my claim that he
doesn't use the MS to cast this jutsu.
I was never intending to claim that
all the sharingan abilities have been revealed to
us, I was claiming that they are all known by
Konoha and Akatsuki, and as such no sharingan
technique will ever not be revealed. (this not
being a sharingan technique makes my claim true as
no sharingan technique has been used without it
being named shortly after appearance)
i support the idea that Tobi's jutsu is not
the same as Kakashi's but I can kinda
doesn't catch the reasons of TS yet. their
jutsu is somehow similar but definitely not the
same. Like a Bowling ball is similar in shape with
a Pachinco but still diffent
I may not have worded my initial post clearly
enough, so I will attempt to elaborate
I propose that Tobi's teleportation jutsu
is not a sharingan technique.
2 obvious reasons to think that it is, and I will
deal with those as well.
The first is
that it sucks things into his eye which happens to
be a sharingan.
The second is the
similarity to Kakashi's jutsu.
my theory is based on a few deductions of my own.
The first being that all sharingan
jutsus are already known. I don't mean known
to us the reader, I mean known to Konoha. I
reach this deduction because (with the exception
of Tobi's jutsu if someone can prove me
wrong) every Sharingan technique has been named
almost instantly upon (at least it's first)
Some may argue that Danzo used
Koto Amatsukami without it being named.
Deduction #2 I would say that it was not
Koto Amatsukami that Danzo used, but a regular
sharingan genjutsu. Shisui's eyes had
properties inherent in them that enhanced
genjutsus without a specific technique.
When Danzo is using Shisui's eye he uses it
at least from halfway through 458 until halfway
through 459. When it is discovered that he was
using it, the effect wears off. Danzo doesn't
appear to have access to the MS since he
didn't appear to use it in combat.
When Shisui's eye cast Koto Amatsukami on
Itachi, It was in the MS state, lasted for an
instant, and was powerful enough to overwrite
another jutsu that was already controlling the
person's will, and lasted even after it was
Deduction #3 Tobi's s/t jutsu is not
a Mangekyo Sharingan technique.
it is true that we never see Tobi's eyes
clearly when he performs this technique, the fact
that we have never once seen him with an MS is
proof enough for me that this isn't an MS
This particular deduction
covers the similarity with Kakashi's
My only other supporting
fact is that there are jutsus that center on the
eyes besides doujutsus, the example being
Gaara's 3rd inner eye technique. This
addresses the fact that Tobi's jutsu centers
on his eyes.
jiraya one of the most knowledgeable ninja on the
show didnt even know of amaterasu he had to study
it. and the fact that only 6 ninja have activated
mangekyu gun means there are alot of other
possibilities. the difference in the susanos alone
shows that there are plenty of other jutsu out