The real thing that confused us right now is,who is Tobi... What I will said is just my thoughts okey...
I think,Tobi is not Madara.Maybe,Tobi is Madara student,you know,just like Naruto with Jiraiya.Itachi told a stories of Madara to Sasuke,which is,after Madara have the EMG,his clansmens abondoned him and Madara left the konoha to somewhere else.Maybe,after he left konoha,someone from Uchiha comes to Madara and want to be his student.Madara have planned everything with Tobi before his death time comes.The true reason Madara fighting with Hashirama at the valley of the end,I think,it's parts of their plans,which is to gain Senju DNA and Madara got it.Before Madara died,he told Tobi to take his rinnegan and transplant it on himself and use it powers to revive him after Tobi's got all the bijuu.But,it's not follows as their plans.Tobi's body not campatible for the rinnegan.So,Tobi find another body to transplant the rinnegan and his got an idea,which is he try to transplant it to uzumaki body.As a result,Nagato could control the rinnegan.Since Tobi can use his space-time jutsu,maybe,he find a way to contact with dead Madara and told everything about Nagato.That's why,edo tensei Madara knows about Nagato.Since in waiting for Nagato to becomes more campatible with the rinnegan,Tobi creat Zetsu,which is the black Zetsu is Madara's DNA and the white Zetsu is Hashirama's DNA.Than,Tobi got another idea,which is,he transplant the Hashirama DNA on his own body without Madara knows about it.Than again,the plans not as smooth as their think,Nagato died before all the bijuus was collected.So,Tobi make another change in the plan,which is he transplant the rinnegan on his own eye,since he have Senju DNA in his left part body.As a result,rinnegan more compatible with the Senju body,which is his left body.Than again,the plan not really smooth because Kabuto got Madaras DNA before Tobi collect all the bijuus.So,Tobi make another change in the plans,which is he let Kabuto use Madara for the edo tensei.Tobi abondoned Madara to seek his own power,which is he plan to be a 10 tail jinchuriki himself and use it power to cast the Infinite Tsukuyomi for himself.
tensei allowed Itachi to still have his original
eyes so he can still use his MS. Then why does
Nagato still have his eyes when tobi took them? I
am saying maybe if a uchiha awakened there MS with
their original eyes and got it transplanted with
new pair of eyes, they can't activate MS
again, unless they get the new pair of eyes from
their sibling and activate eternal
manykeyo(Madara). Tobi(Izuna) isn't able to
activate his MS because first he gave up his eyes
to madara and its powers have been transferred to
Madara mangkeyo sharingan. Second, Izuna loss of
his original eyes impaired him greatly that he
can't activate MS and had to hide as tobi.
Therefore, once you activate MS you can only
activate it with the original eyes and it is only
compatible with your sibling's eye. I think
there are consequences if you replace your MS eyes
with another pair of sharingans. I think Tobi
dimension transfer is a result of this
consequence. Maybe, that's why Tobi seems
powerless. I still think he can be deadly because
he can use izanagi and has harishama cell. It is
just that he is not himself. Because if Tobi was
Izuna he wouldn't have to hide, he would have
directly captured the jinkurrikis much earlier.
So, there is some sort of constraint with Tobi,
then why else would he hide?
is it maybe because right after nagato and itatchi
died they still have their rinnegan and sharingan
on them? so im guessing maybe when used edo tensei
your body remains as it is the time you died, even
if someone took some parts of your body but
Wait.... if he's the same as Naruto,
didn't Itachi tell Naruto that he could
become like Madara if he tries to burden
everything alone? This is a VERY, VERY out-there
thought, but..... isn't Naruto burdening the
war himself, or at least trying to? I mean..... I
doubt that could've happened to Obito. My
theory is that Zetsu is a construct of Madara and
a Senju's cells that reconstructed
Obito's right side (as he needed an Uchiha or
Senju) and used those cells to manipulate him. I
also think that Zetsu, in Madara's stead,
gave Nagato Madara's Rinnegan after he died.
He needed a separate body (other than the host,
Obito) in order to completely revive himself, so
he chose Nagato as he was an Uzumaki (relative of
Senju). Those "leaf ninja" that killed
Nagato's parents were actually Zetsu clones,
I believe, and Nagato was knocked unconscious.
That was when Zetsu implanted the Rinnegan into
Nagato. Zetsu then posed that the two shinobi had
been killed by Nagato, even though in actuality it
was merely a trick by Zetsu under the orders of
Madara at his death bed. Madara shouldn't
even know of Nagato's existence as he died
long before the Second Shinobi World War, which
leads me to believe Zetsu/Tobi/Madara all share a
conscious in some way.... OR at the very least
Madara and ONE of the two share a conscious.
You said Madara
shouldn't even know of Nagato's
existence?Than,how did Edo Tensei Madara speak up
Nagato's name in front of Muu?Madara seems
knows about Nagato.I don't think Kabuto can
put the info of Nagato in edo tensei
Madara,that's absolutely ridiculous.If Madara
died before he knows about Nagato existence,how
could he speak of Nagato name?I don't think
Madara still alive when Nagato has his
rinnegan.Than,how could edo tensei Madara know
about Nagato?Here,where I come with a thought.I
think,as I said in my blog,Tobi use his space-time
jutsu(I don't know hows he use it)told about
Nagato to Madara(already died).Since,Tobi
space-time jutsu can travel between dimensions,I
think he can travel to where Madara's soul
lives.I know,it's sounds ridiculous.But,if
you think it back,how could edo tensei Madara
knows about Nagato if he died before he knows
about Nagato existence?Could you please come up
with other thought,I want to know your opinion.
i wanna add on that
madara was in that uchiha box, supposidly dead,
and kabuto used the reviving justsu to bring him
bak, so i think that its definately possible that
they took adaras eyes after the battle and that
when ur revived with the edo tensei or whatever
that you come bak with everythhng you took to the
i really think that Tobi is Izuna because it would
explain how easily he uses the sharingan, it would
explain his knowledge, his collaboration and
having the same plan as Madara Edo Tensei. and
Tobi specifically says that his is not his whole
self. he probably means his eyes which he gave/had
taken by madara.
well. maybe your
right. ahmm. maybe his izuna. maybe he was right
there when the battle between madara and harishima
was happening. and maybe right after the real
madara died he took its eyes and implanted it on
him since madara took izuna eyes to raplace his..
maybe izuna was taking revenge on the real madara.
and ahmm. i just got a question..
madara and the fake madara, are they allies? cause
if not well maybe my idea got a chance to be
right. or if not, well maybe hes using the
same justu as muu the psat tsuchikage.