I just saw that there will be no Bleach for 2 weeks, that sucks because now I am really into it. I just think back on the hollow that Ichigo fought and escaped, how will he fight hollows from now on after fighting and beating almost all the captains he has faced. I am taking into account that he will be 1/5 possibly 1/10 of his power from SS, but it almost seems like it will be a walk in the park for him facing any hollow other than a menos grande.

I just saw that there will be no Bleach for 2 weeks, that sucks because now I am really into it. I just think back on the hollow that Ichigo fought and escaped, how will he fight hollows from now on after fighting and beating almost all the captains he has faced. I am taking into account that he will be 1/5 possibly 1/10 of his power from SS, but it almost seems like it will be a walk in the park for him facing any hollow other than a menos grande.
I know thats exactly what I thought too but read the manga and u will be surprised

I know thats exactly what I thought too but read the manga and u will be surprised
Oh no I am aware of the manga storyline, but more importantly when he meets the hollow that killed his mom. He might get so upset that his power goes up drastically and he destroys him in seconds. There are so many low level hollows out there, maybe he should leave them to Chad and the big booby girl (Orihime Inoue). They won't feel as useless and plus they can practice there skills and hopefully become stronger.

LMAO!!

There wont be a limit to Ichigo's power, only Vice Captains and those of higher rank have their powers limited.

Meh, Ichigo will go at it like he always does: run in, hack, slash and then go home. The 'booby' girl, lol.

The grand fisher, the hollow that killed his mom, was destroyed by Isshin.

LMAO!!

There wont be a limit to Ichigo's power, only Vice Captains and those of higher rank have their powers limited.

Meh, Ichigo will go at it like he always does: run in, hack, slash and then go home. The 'booby' girl, lol.

The grand fisher, the hollow that killed his mom, was destroyed by Isshin.
But Ichigo's spirit energy is as high as a captain and some higher so shouldn't they limit his power for his own good whether he knows it or not. Regarding your spoiler when did we learn that.

But Ichigo's spirit energy is as high as a captain and some higher so shouldn't they limit his power for his own good whether he knows it or not. Regarding your spoiler when did we learn that.

Hehe, it's in the manga.

But Ichigo's spirit energy is as high as a captain and some higher so shouldn't they limit his power for his own good whether he knows it or not. Regarding your spoiler when did we learn that.
Yeah, and so is Ikkaku, but the fact is that they're not of captain rank. He's not a part of SS so they can't do anything about him.

and why should they? He doens't uses it for evil, right?

and why should they? He doens't uses it for evil, right?
Thats not the point, is so that they don't 'create any unncessary ripples in the balance of the material world.'

Thats not the point, is so that they don't 'create any unncessary ripples in the balance of the material world.'
true, got me there. But maybe he is the balance of another big power in the world?

Hehe, it's in the manga.
Does anyone know the chapter because I don't think I have come across that statement as of yet.
Yeah, and so is Ikkaku, but the fact is that they're not of captain rank. He's not a part of SS so they can't do anything about him.
Eventhough he isn't part of SS his power would still create a ripple wouldn't it, seems like they would make him aware of that and inform him of the consequences if he doesn't limit some of his insanely huge power. Just think about it, what kind of reprocussions would there be if any of the captains just walk around with there power all the way on all the time, hollows from all over would be coming after him trying to kill him correct. We saw how quickly they arrived when his power first surfaced in like the first 2 episodes.

Does anyone know the chapter because I don't think I have come across that statement as of yet.

Um...it's somewhere between 190-195. I forget exactly which one.

lol, this was just explained it in 210. When a Captain or a Vice Captain leaves SS, they have a limiter that shaves off about 80% of their power put somewhere in their body. Ichigo ins't a part of SS, and he's only been there once he can't have had one put in his body.

I think the Isshin part is chap 186.

I think the Isshin part is chap 186.

It may be, I read 185-195 in a matter of like an hour...so I wasn't exactly sure.

lol, this was just explained it in 210. When a Captain or a Vice Captain leaves SS, they have a limiter that shaves off about 80% of their power put somewhere in their body. Ichigo ins't a part of SS, and he's only been there once he can't have had one put in his body.

I think the Isshin part is chap 186.
I know it was just explained but it seems kind of stupid on SS not to limit Ichigo's power, why have such a powerful individual just walking around without a power limiting his power. You say that he has only been there once, but could it have secretly been put in his body when they were performing various medical procedures on him trying to heal him.

vaizards are part hollow, and they're more p[owerful than ichigo

vaizards are part hollow, and they're more p[owerful than ichigo
Ok thank you for the informative post that really had nothing to do with this thread. Are vaizards stronger than 1-10 arrancer's?

You know.
I wondered that myself, but I do believe so.
Since Ichigo is stronger than them.
o_o
And well.. I kinda thought of this thing where Uryuu gets his powers back, but then leaves Ichigo, and a bunch of otehr stuff happens, so then Ichigo joins the Vaizords, since he knows in order to beat Aizen, he needs to be strong, and he can only do that with his Hollow.
o_o
So yeah,m it'll be greeet.
:D
but the thing is, what's this about Kiingfisher?
Are you sure that this is the Hollow that killed his mom?
I mean He didn't look that much like the Hollow..
but not so sure and why didn't he use the lure thing on Isshin then>?

You know.
I wondered that myself, but I do believe so.
Since Ichigo is stronger than them.
o_o
And well.. I kinda thought of this thing where Uryuu gets his powers back, but then leaves Ichigo, and a bunch of otehr stuff happens, so then Ichigo joins the Vaizords, since he knows in order to beat Aizen, he needs to be strong, and he can only do that with his Hollow.
o_o
So yeah,m it'll be greeet.
:D
but the thing is, what's this about Kiingfisher?
Are you sure that this is the Hollow that killed his mom?
I mean He didn't look that much like the Hollow..
but not so sure and why didn't he use the lure thing on Isshin then>?
I have a theory on that.
lol, this was just explained it in 210. When a Captain or a Vice Captain leaves SS, they have a limiter that shaves off about 80% of their power put somewhere in their body. Ichigo ins't a part of SS, and he's only been there once he can't have had one put in his body.

I think the Isshin part is chap 186.
Thanks for the info NMA, you know I had to get all my ducks in a row and ready to disagree with you on the topic.
A[/B]" Grand Fisher. For the ones that catch on quickly they probably are asking themselves why did he say "A" Grand Fisher. I will tell you I have reason to believe that there are more than one Grand Fisher."]I read chaoter 185 - 187 a couple of times as well as went back to the episode where Ichigo fights "A" Grand Fisher. For the ones that catch on quickly they probably are asking themselves why did he say"A" Grand Fisher. I will tell you I have reason to believe that there are more than one Grand Fisher.

1). I base ths off of varios observations in these chapters, for one if you look at the size of the Grand Fisher Ichigo fought you will notice that it is nowhere near as big as the one his dad fought. One such scene that demonstrates the size of a Grand Fisher was when he had Ichigo's mom like a puppet in front of him, the Grand Fisher actually tried to hide behind her as if he couldn't be seen. Now fast forward to the fight between a grand fisher and Isshin, Isshin was tiny compared to the grand fisher that stood before him. In fact it was so big Kon thought that it might be a menos, which we quickly find out is incorrect he is a Hamen.

2). Another thing to take into account is the grand fisher we saw did not pull his mask back to show his face. He stayed in his hollow form the entire time, with the recent discoveries it seems like you are strongest when you are half and half not just one type completely. If that is the case why didn't this grand fisher turn into his half hollow form and fight Ichigo after he was cut.

3). One last point is why wasn't Ichigo's moms death mentioned by either side, not by the hamen or by Isshin. Isshin didn't say anything to him to symbolize that he would finally get revenge for her death, and the hamen didn't say anything regarding him killing Ichigo's mom.

These reasons alone give me the impression that grand fisher's are in abundance and that they also are a type of people that make up a group, called Hamen. I believe that the death gods and hollows are the generalization and that the sub groups are hamen, vazaids, and arrancer's.]
I have no idea why the spoiler buttons aren't working for me.

Oh damn!
How do I end up at the yahoo! Page?!?!!?
My long post is dead.
but the thing is taht I mean the people taht you say are "vaizord" I mean they are outcast Shinigami who obtained the power of the Hollow inside of them, but the thing is taht some of them look too small to be outcasts..
bht I guess thjat I mean some people just look like that, and yueah well I mean they were able to get the power of their hollow, but did this without the power of the Hougkyou, and the thing is I mean they have complete control of their Hollow, unlike Ichigo.
And ok, so King Fisher, I didn't know if he was the one who killed Ichigo's mother or not since he did look a bit different, but now that you mention it, in the fight with Iissshin, and yeah well in taht fight, take away the race reduce the size of him and put on the mask, bam!
Oh, and add the lure.
But alkso about the fight with Ichigo, when he had the Lure.
he was just a normal Hollow at that time, I mean he was normal, Ichigo could have killed him but he ran away.
And yeah, well then after Aizen left Soul Society, he used the Hougkyou taht he took out of Rukia and turned random Hollows into Arrancers and hamen as you say.
The best of which being Put into the Arrancer catagory, the others being sent to roam around randomly.
But ok, so then that would be that..
I mean the Arrancer, they are powerful, and they have the Shikai ability, but then do they also have a bankai?
Since some of the Lietenants have bankai, around 4-5 or them or something like that, but the thing is I mean they have the power to match up to co-Captains in their Shikai forms, the Arrancers I mean.
So then does this mean that they can rival Captain level in their bankai?

besides though ichigo is put on a limit in the living world because remember when renji said that death gods vice captain and above are put on a limit there and ichigo is obviously far beyond a normal captain

Umm.. No.
x.x
Since Ichigo's not with Soul Soceity, it's the ones who are with them who gave the restraints.

I have a theory on that.

Thanks for the info NMA, you know I had to get all my ducks in a row and ready to disagree with you on the topic.
I read chaoter 185 - 187 a couple of times as well as went back to the episode where Ichigo fights "A" Grand Fisher. For the ones that catch on quickly they probably are asking themselves why did he say"A" Grand Fisher. I will tell you I have reason to believe that there are more than one Grand Fisher.

1). I base ths off of varios observations in these chapters, for one if you look at the size of the Grand Fisher Ichigo fought you will notice that it is nowhere near as big as the one his dad fought. One such scene that demonstrates the size of a Grand Fisher was when he had Ichigo's mom like a puppet in front of him, the Grand Fisher actually tried to hide behind her as if he couldn't be seen. Now fast forward to the fight between a grand fisher and Isshin, Isshin was tiny compared to the grand fisher that stood before him. In fact it was so big Kon thought that it might be a menos, which we quickly find out is incorrect he is a Hamen.

2). Another thing to take into account is the grand fisher we saw did not pull his mask back to show his face. He stayed in his hollow form the entire time, with the recent discoveries it seems like you are strongest when you are half and half not just one type completely. If that is the case why didn't this grand fisher turn into his half hollow form and fight Ichigo after he was cut.

3). One last point is why wasn't Ichigo's moms death mentioned by either side, not by the hamen or by Isshin. Isshin didn't say anything to him to symbolize that he would finally get revenge for her death, and the hamen didn't say anything regarding him killing Ichigo's mom.

These reasons alone give me the impression that grand fisher's are in abundance and that they also are a type of people that make up a group, called Hamen. I believe that the death gods and hollows are the generalization and that the sub groups are hamen, vazaids, and arrancer's.

Isn't it possible the Grand Fisher's form changed due to his increase in power...? Also, Isshin never did clarify that he knew what hollow it was that killed his wife. We can only assume (now knowing he has Shinigami abilities) that he could tell by the spirit power it was the Grand Fisher who killed his wife...

Umm.. No.
x.x
Since Ichigo's not with Soul Soceity, it's the ones who are with them who gave the restraints.
oh okay then my mistake but he can still get people hurt if he goes on full blast all the time

Isn't it possible the Grand Fisher's form changed due to his increase in power...?
Thats half the answer, Aizen leveled him up with the Hougyoku.

Like I said.
:D
Umm,, Khari that wasn't neccesary..
It's like making a post to say"ok"
o_o
Yeah, well I don't know that Isshin would've known, since Kon was too shocked and told not to say anything, he didn't, I don't think he will until Ichigo finds out that his dad's a Shinigami.

but there was a large gap in power at that time, so I don't know that Isshin woukd've known that the Hollow he fought was the same one Ichigo fought.

Thats half the answer, Aizen leveled him up with the Hougyoku.

Well, that's what I meant. I'm just not competely familiar with the terms yet.

Hougkyou or something, you know?
That's the thing that was kept inside of Rukia, used to creat Arrancers and Hamen.
o_o

I just realized that this conversation is starting to bring about some spoilers for non manga fans so let's take it over to the manga section. I have already created a topic over there for us to continue this conversation, as well as included a link so that we can refer back to this thread if we want.