Well I'm new here, so I might as well start off with some controversy... This forum could use some action too, seeing as how bad the other debates appear to be.


So as most of, if not all of you, may know... Gay marriage was legalized in Massachusetts a while ago. Homosexuals now have all the 1000+ legal rights that were denied to them before, even through civil unions. Most conservatives will probably say that this is an abomination against either God, what marriage means, or just all around doesn't make sense. The more liberal people here will see no problem with this and will argue to a point of hysteria that it is just equal rights similar to the black civil rights movement. ...And I hope we don't have any of the third kind of people, the ones that are merely homophobic.

So what say y'all? I'll provide facts and websites and etc. as we go along and show off my knowledge of the subject and my opinion as it starts.

Well although I am not homophobic O don't really care too much as to whether or not gays get married but I am not fond of it either. Marriage is a sacred bond between man and wife. Gays are just trying to get equal rights yata, yata, yata. What's next necrofeliacs...etc we simply cannot accomodate these changes. Gay people being together is fine but to get the same benefits from being married is awkward. It is made for married couples who will procreate and fill the world with more little bastards that run around and make noise.

wasn't marriage a sacred bond of the church to begin with anyways?

Meh...I hate kids.

wasn't marriage a sacred bond of the church to begin with anyways?
Meh...I hate kids.

That might have been true, but now a days you goto your local court house/city hall and apply for a marriage license, when you get it then your married, curches dont marry you, the state does. All church weddings are are for tradition.

Homosexuals being allowed to marry doesnt bother me, im not gonna argue either way, but i couldnt careless if they were allowed to, its not hurting me.

I think that anyone should be alound to marry whoever they want. We have come along way. African Americans gaining their freedom from slavery, women being able to vote and soon in the near future I believe that every human will be able to marry whomever they. I think that the economy is treating gays like parents treat kids. They tell them what they can and can not do. I can't stand it when I'm bond up and unable to follow my own path just like them. No one likes to be told what they can and cannot do. Think about this, what if someone said you couldn't marry the one person who you love and makes you happy? I bet you wouldn't like it.

As for abortion. I think it's both good and bad. It's good because there is enough unwanted children in this world as it is. But it's more bad than good. I think that the only good reason to have an abortion is when your raped and it was never your choice to have it or when it's going to suffer and die anyway and stop its pain. It's bad because the child has no say in whether or not he wants to live. There are women out there who'd do anything to have a child to call their own and then there are women who practically live at an abortion center. It's really sad. I just remembered this one story I was told back in 5th grade health class (Yeah it really stuck to me.)
This woman got pregnent but didn't want it at the time so she went and had an abortion. The doctor messed up and made it so she could never have children again. A few years later, she was married and wanted a child. Never again could she have children and she sobbed and wished so despretly to turn back time and stop herself from killing her first and only baby. (It was told better but that's the basic idea)

IT can't be allowed because then the kids will be homo and then the kids might become gender confused and create a baqtch of homicidal humans.

i usually like to stick to my religion and i will do so right now. i think that gay marriage is just wrong. god made us so that guys and girls do their thing. not guys and guys or girls and girls. that is just wrong. now african americans and women getting rights is totally good. i actually completely approve of it and completely encourage it. but homosexual marriage is definately wrong. and i also disapprove of them adopting children. god made us in this way for a reason.

You all keep saying that God doesn't think this is right. Well, the way I see it. If God didn't want gays he shouldn't have made them in the first place.

I live in the Netherlands and here homosexuals can get married. I'll tell you my view out of different perspectives...

1. Bible/Koran/whatever: First. Every humanbeing is a child of god made in his resemblance... Second. You should not judge anyone, the only judge is god.

2. Humanists/rationalists: Everyone is equal to one and other, there for everyone can and may love and marry the person he/she loves.

Now for every point you can think of some reson to say "Nahw that bullshit cous' ..." Ok i'll sum up these reasons and put them aside.

1. 1 Marrage is between oposite sexes. 2 Making babies or 3 the bible/koran/whatever sayz so
-1 Why? sayz who? your belive? --> See point3 Or is marrage just saying to the person you love: "I want to spent the rest of my life with you"?
-2 Making babies... Uch Get real there 6 billion people on this planet.. does it really matter?
-3 The bilble/koran sayz allot of things: Like you will get stoned to death if you plant 2 different crops on your field. Not everything you read is true... Yes even for the bible/Koran/whatever

2. -No argument possible.

Besides these arguments there are still some left. Here they are:

-If "they" would adopt kids those kids would turn out gay aswell.
-It's just not natural...

-If those kids would turnout gay... See the points above. And even so is there any proof that homosexual parents have gay children? Mmm Weird cous' than you would say every parent that has a homosexual kid is gay in some way....

-What is natural? Humans have neverever been "natural". I can say this because we're concious of oureselfs and therefore can act in anyway we want.

And just for your mind something to niblle on: Divorcing is that allowed according to the bible/Koran/Whatever?, Wassent every relegion on this planet based on the love for your neighbour?, Is George Bush Gay?

........................................ ..................I BET HE IS...................................... .............................

PEACE

P.s.

As for abortion. I think it's both good and bad.
Doessnt matter Lily... You can't help it.. "It Was the purple/neon glowing bunnies i tell you, the Bunnieeeees!!! :eek:" Ghe Ghe Ghe :D But yeah your right at some points...not everything i agree on, Anywayz that's a different subject Ghe Ghe Ghe :D

I have no problem with homosexuals. My best friend in fact is a lesbian. Whoo. But with them getting married? Its a sign of affection. I consider marriage no longer to be holy matromony, but, as has been said, a bond of affection. Whether they commit fully to that bond or not is up to them. Their children, surrogate or adopted, will be living in an environment not as common as the usual household. But I think that if the parents do a good job raising the child, and do not force the child to have homosexual relations unless it wants to, then there is no problem with it. MArriage was originally Christan, I believe, I don't know much about religion and I plead ignorance at that, but as customs from all over the world get adopted into different societies, I think that it does so from religions aswell. Marriage should be available to all who wish for it. Whether or not they can procreate as a this bond prcures, is another matter.

Abortion... I don't really know about this that well... I have an ex girlfriend who was raped, not by me, but by an extremely violent person who was dispicable. She got an abortion, and it was a horrid experiance for her. She almost took her own life because of it, because she felt that she took the life of the child. If you make a mistake, you should live with the consequences. i.e. if you have sex willingly without protection, and fall pregnant, then its your burden, and you shoudl carry it. If you were raped, and impregnated in that manner, then the bastard should be hunted down. And the choice for abortion be yours. Very simplistic views on it, but men who can't control their penises don't deserve to have one in my opinion. If you can't live with the child. Don't risk it in the first place. In the case of having protected sex, i.e. with a condom and it splits, and you end up with a child. Use two.

Using two condoms at once is just as bad as not using any. I'd go into detail of why but this isnt the "Why are two condoms just as bad as one" thread, and this isnt the spam zone, so just pm me if you want the answer Daisuke.

About abortion, I think its totally upto the mother and father to make that decision, unless the mother was raped, then her decision alone. Now once your so far into the pregnacy, im not exactly sure of how long, but if your like 3+ months into it I think abortion should be illegal, have the kid and put him up for adoption if you still dont want him, but before the time the baby develops into a fetus then abortion should be allowed. Again im not sure about the times of pregnacy, but there is a time during it where the baby is considered another human life.

Actually, that is a very good point I neglected to mention. and abortion at 8 months is... ludicrous. When the baby is undeveloped, then its acceptable in my terms, if the baby was concieved through misconduct. I agree with your views on that, Shino.

When I said to use two condoms, I wasn't so much implying to actually use two, but more of a synonym for being extra carfeul, I guess that kind of thing doesnt carry well on the internet. I can guess that using two condoms would cause undue friction between them and such that they would more than likely split and rip against each other.

my view on gay marriage:

doesnt matter to me. if they want to get married then let them. i mean seriously. alot of heterosexuals dont even take their vows seriously. so i say screw it. let gays get married. they're people too.

i usually like to stick to my religion and i will do so right now. i think that gay marriage is just wrong. god made us so that guys and girls do their thing. not guys and guys or girls and girls. that is just wrong. now african americans and women getting rights is totally good. i actually completely approve of it and completely encourage it. but homosexual marriage is definately wrong. and i also disapprove of them adopting children. god made us in this way for a reason.

I agree with him,the idea is just wrong,its even an evil thing to do if you consult the Holy Bible. Women are for Men and Men are for Women,and not men for men and women for women. Im not against homos or lesbian, they just have to accept the fact that it is not moral and live a single life instead. After all, our priority should not be in this life but towards the next life...what is 50 - 70 years of living single compared to eternity in hell...
But in the point of adopting children,i believe they are entitled to that, provided they raise them as good people or better off, as believers of God.

This topic is fuckin stupid, I mean seriously, why shouldn't homosexuals be allowed to get married? I'm not gay, but I really cannot see the big deal in any of it. All of the conservative arguements go back to the same point "one man, one woman" because that's what the Bible says. Too bad the Bible is horseshit huh? The Bible says that there were talking snakes and goats and a human male created from dust and so on.... The Bible is just a long ass fairy tale to teach people kindness and all that other good stuff. And the old conservative "The US is a catholic nation..." uhhh, no. Well actually it could be, maybe that's why our country is failing at an alarming rate...

Did the Bible ever say anything about the Catholic priests not forcing homosexual acts on young boys in the churches?

You know whats really funny. The same men who say I cant stand Homosexuals,Are the same men the JO for 2 women being together.Hipocrites or Afraid? The once sacred thing called marrige is out the window. People get married and divorced in the same day for cryin out loud. Should a man marry another man, should a woman marry another woman. Sure why Not. They are human beings just like the rest of us. We all eat, shit, bleed the same way, Why not? If a man falls in love with another man, thats his buisness. Same goes for a woman.That fact that Gay marriage is even a issue, is because of those Religios right groups.

Okay, first off... Marriage did not originate with Christianity, so the definition of "one man and one woman" is complete bullshit. People got married (in other ways, mind you) for VERY long times before Christianity showed its face on the world. It goes back farther than Judaism and most of the other major religions of today. Furthermore, many marriages today do not even have a religious official overseeing it. Marriage now has a major influence on LEGAL rights. Judges, for example, can marry people. Hell, I could get ordained to marry people over the internet now for a $10 fee.

What should gay people who love each other do then, hmm? Get a civil union that denies them over 1000 different rights that marriage grants? Or perhaps we could just fight about the name "marriage" and give them all those rights in a civil union just so we can isolate gay people. It makes no freaking sense, when yah think about it.

Additionally, don't take the viewpoint that homosexuality is something horrible and only found in humans. It has been found in over 300 different species... And no, I don't just mean when a horny monkey humps another horny monkey. There are cases of dolphins, gorillas, monkeys, horses, birds, and dogs all that practice homosexuality in a way that they stay only with one partner and/or never touch a female. Ever.

IT can't be allowed because then the kids will be homo and then the kids might become gender confused and create a baqtch of homicidal humans.

Bullshit. Here is the organization Colage's summing up of research (http://www.colage.org/research/facts.html). If you'd like, I'll even list all the case studies out. The American Psychological Association (http://www.apa.org/pi/l&gbib.html) says differently than you, so I think I will go with them and their research.



Now then, for the people who are saying shit like, "What's next, legalizing necrophelia?" Don't even get me started. Homosexuality harms no person. Necrophelia is something without consent and is extremely unhealthy to the living person having sex with it (seeing as how your bonking a corpse). Beastiality is also something without consent and doesn't even occur between two humans, so why do conservatives bitch and moan about this one? Incest is genetically harmful, hence why IT is not allowed. Does that cross off everything on the list now?


(Why are you people talking about abortion in here? It clearly says adoption.)

(Why are you people talking about abortion in here? It clearly says adoption.)

Some people cant read well. And great links. They are very informative.

Homosexuality harms no person.

(Why are you people talking about abortion in here? It clearly says adoption.)

Hmmm...Nice links! Informative, however "we are all a product of our times" as Lincoln put in a letter he wrote. Meaning that when slavery was legal the thought of having not legal was unthinkable (pun on words there).

Thus, the thought of gay rights etc is something that is a touchy subject and one that can't be decided so easily. Although many don't care (me as one of them) others find it absurd and a few facts and links will not change thier opinions.

It is a subject which must be tread carefully to see its success and eventually I have no doubt that it will become something that is fine and legalized.

So until then it will be interesting to see what develops. I wonder when this will be legalized...next election?

I seriously think marriage needs a serious re-amping and make it something more meaningful

i don like the idea of people being gay. I think people should be gay to begin with because God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. If half the people in the world were to become gay there would be a drastic decrease in the human population cuz lack of reproduction and the spread of disease.
So gay people = destruction of human race
Also marriage in American society has lost all meaning because people date, sleep with each other, have kids, and live together all b4 marriage. So what the big deal with getting married if you live that way. I'm so glad in my religion we're not alowed to date and do stuff live that until marriage. Believe me you can find a good spouse without dating i've seen it done so many times and they dont end up in divorce unlike most American marriages.

I was waiting for someone to say that.

First off, who says there is a God? Prove it.

Even if that is the case, you cannot make laws in the United States that restrict unharmful religious practices. It's called the Separation of Church and State. Homosexuality harms nobody and just makes people happy. Additionally, marriage is no longer just a religious practice, as I have already said. Hell, even a certified boat captain can marry people, did you know that?

...But you are right, if everyone in the world was strictly homosexual, by nature, we would all die. But it's not the case. In fact, the United States has 10% of its people listed as homosexual. Wanna know what else is weird? Despite different cultures and nation's laws and societies and etc., most places have a gay population somewhere very close to 10%. Homosexuality is natural.

Now before people say, "Nuh uh! Homosexuality is a choice!" lemme ask you this: Why would a person CHOOSE to be gay? Why would a person choose to make their life so complicated, be hated, be shunned by so many people, be constantly told he is an abomination, and have their legal rights restricted? Why? You do not just wake up one morning and say, "I think I will be gay today... Tuesday I think I will go back to women... Then on Wednesday and Thursday I'll be attracted to trees." I would not wish homosexuality on my greatest enemy.

Homosexuality is frequently studied and looked at. There have been so many findings that shows more and more evidence every year that homosexuality's roots are genetic. It is most likely caused by an increase in certain chemicals involving emotions. It has been found that gay people have MUCH bigger hypothalamus' and bigger amygdala's on average than straight people of the same sex. "Is it a birth defect?" Yes and no. Yes because it is basically formed at birth, and no because a defect implies that it interferes with their ability to live and survive.

And how does marriage lose meaning due to dating? Is that not how you find out that you like the person and etc.? You've gotten married many times, am I to understand that? No, wait. Let's not go there... Let's not get off topic.

Is there really such a thing as marriage now-a-days? I mean, people are just screwing people left and right with a ring on their finger or not. I think that marriage has lost its virtue and purpose so why shouldn't they be able to. We take this sacred bond for granted and they'd do anything to be together. A marriage shouldn't be made up of lies and fancy things but love and respect for one another. It shouldn't matter whether or not you chose, what most people call the straight path or the croked path as long as there is a deep love you feel for another human being then you have my permission.

As for adoption or abortion whatever. Abortion wrong, adoption good. :D

I believe in God cuz there are so many amazing things in this world and they couldnt have been here unless someone put them here. Some people rely on science to answear these questions but i've learned the theories in school. For there just to be nothing and then dust forms and comes together and condenses causing there to be water and green to grow...then the theory of evolution comes in.
First off the big space where the dust formed had to come from somewhere right? Things dont just appear. God would be needed to make that space. And the theory of evolution has been disproved already. If humans really came from from monkeys how come we dont see other monkeys turning into cave men.
As for marriage, i dont care to be married by the state even though i will get marriage liscence wen i do get married just for property and legal issues. I'm gonna be married through my religion. I have never been married cuz i'm only 15, but my parents we're married without dating so have my unlces, aunts, cousins, & friends. First step to getting married is meeting someone. We all meet people. We all develop feelings for each other. Sometimes those feelings become really strong and you think maybe i should marry this person. You go to that persons family tell them how you feel and then you're aloud to talk to that person about practically watever you want if everything seems to be working out Then you get married. So then every moment of marriage is beautiful cuz it's the first person you've ever been with. the first person you've ever kissed and because you haven't dated other people it's easier to be loyal so the marriage works out.
As for being gay, i think people are confusing their lust with love. Being gay does do bad for the world cuz of the spread of diseases like HIV and AIDs and Harpies. I know there are other ways to get these diseases but being gay helps a whole lot.
And about there being a gay gene. There isnt. Scientists have not been able to find where the actual 'mind' or where the 'heart' that feels pain is. Our bains just corridinate things and our hearts just pump blood. Where emotions actually come from is the soul. And the soul can cause chemical imbalances in the body, because emotions is wat makes us real. And the soul is not something that an athiest scientist can study cuz it doesnt have a physical substance, but it sure is there cuz you can feel. You can feel pain but you cant see it. You can feel God because there something that makes everything happen and something that calms you, but you cant see Him.

I honestly couldn't care less..

I don't really mind homosexuals! No homo has ever did anything to me, just as long as they don't annoy me, then I'm cool. Gay marriage doesn't affect me, I'm not gay. However, I don't really like the idea of gay adoption. I mean isn't it kinda weird that a child is gonna have two dads and two moms. It's kinda violating nature. I also don't think people are ever born gay, gay is just a different way of living and seeing things. Gays started aids by the way!

gay marriage is a sin. marriage is between a man and woman. to be gay is opposing GOD. To be gay is very sinful.

I was waiting for someone to say that.

First off, who says there is a God? Prove it.



You were seriously waiting for someone to post this! Anyway...you really do like to stick to controversial topics don't you. :p

I DO believe in God. I was born and raised as a Catholic (no comments about that plz) and I must say that God is probably not going to hold anyone responsible for being gay. That aside lets just say that God has nothing or at least very little to do with gay's and marriage.

Ahem...back on topic.

Gee, I'm so glad that people here have the insight to honestly debate a point instead of just stating their opinions.

As for being gay, i think people are confusing their lust with love. Being gay does do bad for the world cuz of the spread of diseases like HIV and AIDs and Harpies. I know there are other ways to get these diseases but being gay helps a whole lot.

Wow, you couldn't be more wrong! It's as if you were TRYING!

You realize that more African Americans have STDs and AIDs in percentages compared to homosexuals, right? Does that mean that being black is a sin now, because they are much more likely to spread diseases?

Spreading diseases doesn't COME from being gay. It comes from unsafe sex.

And about there being a gay gene. There isnt. Scientists have not been able to find where the actual 'mind' or where the 'heart' that feels pain is. Our bains just corridinate things and our hearts just pump blood. Where emotions actually come from is the soul. And the soul can cause chemical imbalances in the body, because emotions is wat makes us real. And the soul is not something that an athiest scientist can study cuz it doesnt have a physical substance, but it sure is there cuz you can feel. You can feel pain but you cant see it. You can feel God because there something that makes everything happen and something that calms you, but you cant see Him.

What? What the hell does the heart have to do with anything? Pain originates in the brain through the nervous system. It is a reaction to something that is harmful in the body and it goes right up through the spinal column directly into the hindbrain. Emotions come from the amygdala and the neocortex. There is nothing that proves a "soul" to exist. It is merely a faith or belief, same as a belief in Judaism over Christianity or Islam over Buddhism. There's no difference and it all relates to culture and the society that you were raised in. Chemical imbalances in the pre-birth body can happen due to MANY things... Such as too much fiber, pills, alcohol, genetic problems with mitosis and miosis in the father/mother, an accidental release of too much testosterone, and a million and one other things. Try researching something before posting "facts."

There is no proof of God and God has nothing to do with gay marriage in the first place. Why? Because we cannot base laws upon religion but rather upon the needs to society in order to protect people. That's why laws exist. The Separation between Church and State has grown to mean that we cannot make laws that are based soley upon religion, for it is biased and unfair against those who have different religions and ideologies.


Whether or not homosexuality is genetic or not is irrevelent, for it doesn't change the fact that it is a nonharmful practice that makes people happy. It is not a choice, but either something genetic (far more proof towards this theory than the later) or sociological or perhaps even both. Either way, it is still not a choice and makes no difference to said case.

Ok like i said b4 u can get AIDs and HIV from being but there are other ways. And about the Africans having a lot of STDs & AIDs cause the American Government made the disease themselves to try and make the African race extinct. They mixed too many things together that they cant 'find' the cure. But there are some rumors saying that there is a cure just the government wont release it. I know i heard from one my friends who is a nurse. She said that one time a nurse was giving an injection to a person with AIDs and something happened and the needle went inside of the nurse and the hostpital gave her the cure. The USA government takes a lot of medicines that work too good off the markets so doctors can make more money. Government = messed up

Not too sire about the whole conspiracy against African Americans but what Az said was sort of true about the emotions and the spinal cord.

For things like fine touch etc the electrical signal travels through the posterior column pathway to the primary sensory cortex to the cerebral hemisphere to the opposite side of the body through the medulla after the synapse.

The amgygdala however only processes a portion of our emotions (a large portion but not all of them) and is one of the more controversial parts in its role as a mediator for emotions. Many people often get confused this term because when emotions are active sometimes the activity in the brain is small or non-existent. There is this site but I cannot find the link but it has some neat scans of the brain and its activity.

Ahhh...such a nice topic...what else do you know Aztec?

I have no problem with homosexuals either. What i mean is i dont mine my friend being a homo not me myself ofcourse. But the thing is to have a sissy guy holding your hand while walking on the street won't be that nice. I have a gay friend who like to hold people hand while walking...happen to me once...that really make me mad. Feel like giving him a punch initially...but he is my friend, what to do....Till now, i still can't stand sissy guy (no offence)

People say that being gay is a disease or a sin. Well, I think that if they're willing to take the risk of being persacuted for love then let them do it. For all those who think it's a disease or sin or whatever just think about this. Could you imagen going though life knowing that you are being judged for being with the one person who makes you happy? For being with the one person who brings joy to your life. It shouldn't matter whether you're a man who sleeps with another man or whatever. I think that if the world would just stop and shut up for a moment we'd see the world more clearly and see that everyone is the same.
And I said this to another kid on another site who hated gays. You don't have to like them, but you sure as hell better damn well respect them.

Ok like i said b4 u can get AIDs and HIV from being but there are other ways. And about the Africans having a lot of STDs & AIDs cause the American Government made the disease themselves to try and make the African race extinct. They mixed too many things together that they cant 'find' the cure. But there are some rumors saying that there is a cure just the government wont release it. I know i heard from one my friends who is a nurse. She said that one time a nurse was giving an injection to a person with AIDs and something happened and the needle went inside of the nurse and the hostpital gave her the cure. The USA government takes a lot of medicines that work too good off the markets so doctors can make more money. Government = messed up

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Where do you get this stuff man?


Kagami Kyoji, I know quite a bit about psychology (including brain bio and psychophysics), so I pretty much know all that you said. I also have researched gay rights, the origins of homosexuality, and a million and one things surrounding the subject... But that's what you get when you're in five different gay-straight alliance groups.

What bothers me most about people that argue against gay marriage and etc. is that they honestly do not know any facts at all about the subject. Instead, they hiss and freak out over things that they have heard or believe in because of some religion or another. ...Instead, people should try researching topics in an unpartisianed way if they want to be able to actually debate the subject... Instead of just trying to see who can yell louder.

Kagami Kyoji, I know quite a bit about psychology (including brain bio and psychophysics), so I pretty much know all that you said. I also have researched gay rights, the origins of homosexuality, and a million and one things surrounding the subject... But that's what you get when you're in five different gay-straight alliance groups.

Well then at least we will have some more intelligent conversations around here than some of the people simply posting "I hate it" or "It sux" etc.

People like that need to be taken out in front of the town square and lashed...Corpral punishment is the best way to deal with morons! :p

I keep telling myself to stop while I'm ahead....

I'm totally from Gay marriage. Homosexuals are God's children, too, and are to be treated as such. I'm a born and raised Catholic and I firmly believe that anyone and everyone should have the right to be in love and get married and start families. Love is love. I'm also for adoption, as I'm an adoptee myself. I think Homosexual couples are perfectly capable of giving children love and affection, as straight parents can. I have friends with gay parents and they're not gender confused. Perfectly fine, too. I don't see anything wrong with gay marriage. I fully support it.

Now, I saw a post about violating nature. Humans are animals. In most other groups of animals, it's not uncommon for lion cubs to never see their father, but are taken care of by two lioness'.

Gays didn't start AIDS either. Working in a hospital, I see more women with AIDS that have been with partners that have never had sexual relations with another man. It's believed that AIDS started somewhere in Africa by eating monkey meat infected AIDS. AIDS can't just appear in some Gay guy's body. It doesn't work that way.

gay people = destruction of human race

That's just stupid. Destruction of the human race is contributed by everyone. Prostitutes, The common man, even a priest. That has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. That just...That boggles my mind.

Why would a person CHOOSE to be gay? Why would a person choose to make their life so complicated, be hated, be shunned by so many people, be constantly told he is an abomination, and have their legal rights restricted? Why?

You brought up a good point. I really agree with this. You know what you're talking about.

I think I'm going to stop now to avoid getting my face kicked in, but this is what I think.

everyone should stop critizing these people they made there choices for their life just because we think so should be doesn't mean it will and as for the bible well they didn't think the world would be so disciminating as it is now I'm jewish and have been made fun of , taunted, and even got a note with the nazi sign, a stick figure of me bleeding, and at the bottom it said "can you read this you hebrew bitch?'. If I hadn't asked for them to be given a second chance they would be gone(didn't really matter cuase the 2 who did it moved). But still ppl are made fun of every day cause they're different and to me its pathetic I know gay people and they're awsome. They don't care what other people think and to me the deserve respect for what they've done in their lives so don't say these people sin when all they're doing is living their lives they way they want to. You aren't their mom anyway

got a note with the nazi sign, a stick figure of me bleeding, and at the bottom it said "can you read this you hebrew bitch?'.

That's just plain gross. I think it's pretty noble that you offered them a second chance. I know how it is to be different. Especcially since all my family members have blond hair and green eyes and I have dark eyes and hair. I remember when I was little, people would stare and children would pull their eyes back at that stupid stuff. Being different can suck. I can't imagine what Gay people go through.

trst me what those kids did to me is nothing compared to how I was treadted in middle school I look back now and ask my self why I let those kids make fun of me and throw stuff at me and now I just have so much anger in me and have to keep it there but the kid who was in my 8th who was gay was treated no differently then anyone else they were the same it when people don't understand something is when they make fun of it

You all keep saying that God doesn't think this is right. Well, the way I see it. If God didn't want gays he shouldn't have made them in the first place.
I think gay marriage is just so wrong. and God doesn't make people gay. they have free will, just like every one else.

I think gay marriage is just so wrong. and God doesn't make people gay. they have free will, just like every one else.

There are so many things wrong in those three sentences I don't even know where to start. ...Yes I do.

1.) You are assuming that there IS a God in any way, shape, or form. For all you know, we are ruled by Cthulhu, the octopus destroyer of the world.

2.) Even if there IS a God, the US cannot creates laws based upon religious principles because of the Separation between Church and State. Originally, it was meant to prevent one religion from dominating, however, as the Supreme Court has again and again ruled, it has changed in its meaning over time and adapted greatly. It now applies with a constitutional ban on gay marriage.

3.) You assume that free will exists. The idea of free will, in the grand scheme of things, no longer applies in the world today and free will itself ended with creation itself.

Ever since the dawn of time, major actions have been predetermined by the actions taken before them, which shapes the actions following them in a never-ending chain. Sociology teaches us that child molesters, one hundred percent of the time, have been abused physically or sexually in the past when they were children themselves. Because of this mistreatment in their past, they take out their suppressed feeling and want for power over others by repeating their actions on another child. They may not actually want it, but it happens to them anyway. The child that is then molested or beaten will most likely physically, sexually, or mentally abuse others in some way for his or her own pleasure. Everything in life can be compared accordingly, for the actions of the past determine the outcome of the future. History repeats itself.

Because of this never ending chain of cause and effect, there can be no randomness in the universe nor can there entirely be free will. The only time in which free will presents itself is with the 1984 idealism; that free will is being able to say that two plus two equals five. Every person can say anything or do anything that they desire in an attempt to spite the determination of the universe, but there is no escaping it entirely. A person is only what they were born and raised to be, nothing more.

Furthermore, why would ANYONE just up and CHOOSE to be gay? That's like choosing to be born into the Saudi royal family with a perfect tattoo of the American flag on your face.


I respect your opinions and all, but this is the Debate forum, isn't it? Pure opinion does not win.

gay marriage is a sin. marriage is between a man and woman. to be gay is opposing GOD. To be gay is very sinful.


I totally agree with MewRKW1 here,that marrriage should be between a Man and a Woman. And gay is Sinful

I think gay marriage is just so wrong. and God doesn't make people gay. they have free will, just like every one else.

I also agree with kakashi_00x000, Gay marriage is just so wrong that I can't be put in words to describe it because it wrong to have gay marriage.

So what would you do when your kids turn out gay? You would put them up for adoption? You would ban them out of your sight? You would try and convince them that being gay is bad ? Good Luck...

I think being gay is a little weird, I mean even trying to look at their point of view, I dont know what they see in the same gender. But I dont quite mind having gay weddings in my country, though I know I wouldnt go to one.

Marriage is a sacred bond between man and wife. Gays are just trying to get equal rights yata, yata, yata.[QUOTE]

Ooh k...so ur saying, that if u don't love that of the opposite sex, you must live the rest of your life alone? You can't expect people to actually change their sexuality because "Marraige is a sacred bond between man and wife" I mean if it's a sacred bond, we're not pawns we can't be matched up together...although some people are...you can't have a sacred bond with no love, if you honestly and truly love that other person, anything is a sacred bond.

HOLY SHIT...I actually took the time to read this...and ppl ACTUALLY think gay is WRONG? Lemme ask you this...when you fall in love...is it of your own free will? People don't become gay of their own free will...-_- Why would somebody purposely try to be different even though they know people like YOU will see them differently! People are traumatized for the rest of their lives hiding in fear, because they obviously can't fall in love with the same sex...yet they live in fear of other peopl disliking them! They live in fear because people like YOU are SO DAMN STUPID. It's people like you that are making the homosexual community have such problematic lives.

[QUOTE=Guardian]I totally agree with MewRKW1 here,that marrriage should be between a Man and a Woman. And gay is Sinful



I also agree with kakashi_00x000, Gay marriage is just so wrong that I can't be put in words to describe it because it wrong to have gay marriage.

Maybe you can't find words to describe it because there are none -_-; It's wrong u say It's just so wrong you say...God, (sorry if I didn't use this in the right context *sarcasm*) either get a wider vocabulary or meet a gay person and tell me if they are so incredibly sinful.

You don't even know a god exists, I bet you anything, that if there is a god, he's looking down at us in shame...I mean you seem to have such a problem with gays...LOOK AROUND, I think u should be thinking about bigger problems. If you ask me, God's probably thinking that we're the biggest mistake in life...If god's so loving, forgiving...or w/e the stuff you guys say...sorry I'm not religious, why do you think that he'd think loving is so wrong? If he didn't want there to be homosexuals in life, he shouldn't given any of us a right of mind. Some people just use their's better. -_-;

By the way, I think that the human race is made of complete idiocy, rules this, rules that, fuck this! Why are we so damn stupid! Why are we the only race in the entire world that has to look at someone who is almost completly the same as them, and notice one different quality, therefore Oh my gosh we can't hang out with them...I mean...LOOK AT THEM...they're different... It's a proven study that almost all of our DNA is exactly the same except for like one strand...damn that reminds me...I have to go study science...-_-; And why the hell did we have to create GUNS? HOW THE HELL DID THIS HELP US! HONESTLY, IF ANYTHING IT DOOMED HUMANITY! And they're STILL trying to create new...stronger weapons! SO FRIGGEN...there's only one word to describe this....DUMB

Alright...before Science starts, I must yell at someone who said "Gays spread disease...etc." ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FRIGGEN MIND?!?!?!?! DO YOU NOT REALIZE THAT GAYS HAVE BOTH A MOTHER...AND A FATHER?!?! THEY DO NOT POP OUT OF THIN AIR CARRYING DISEASES!!!! THEY'RE NOT ZOMBIES COMING TO RUIN THE WORLD, FUCKING EVERYONE IN SIGHT SO EVERYONE WILL DIE!!!! HOLY SHIT! WHAT GRADE ARE YOU IN?!?! DO U STILL BELIEVE STARKS DELIVER BABIES?!?! OH I KNOW A BLACK STARK DELIVER THE GAY ONES -.-; HOLY SHIT!!!! GOD THAT'S GOTTA BE THE STUPIDIST THING I'VE EVER HEARD! AND I'VE HEARD A LOT OF STUPID THINGS!!! GAYS HAVE BOTH A MOTHER AND A FATHER, SOME PEOPLE DON'T EVEN REALIZE THEY'RE GAY UNTIL LATER IN THEIR LIVES!!! DO YOU THINK ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'RE WALKING DOWN THE STREET, and... O.O "Look at that I think I have a disease...I will die now' OMG!! I'VE HEARD STUPID BEFORE...BUT....WOW!...I mean...WOW!!! AND IF A CHILD IS BORN WITH DISEASES LIKE THAT...IT'S NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE FRIGGEN GAAAY! IT'S JUST THEIR MISFORTUNE!

Meh...I would quote you but its too long and confusing.

I never said being a gay or lesbian os wrong. I merely stated the fact that people are simply trying to get a stupid certificate to VERIFY thier love. WTF your saying that they need that for love? Don't think so! They are simply trying to get equal rights and attention...

I have nothing against gays etc. So make sure you read carefully the next time you post me as being some crazy anti-gay lunatic! :p

Well if "the regulars" want it certified, then why shouldn't gays be allowed that want...that right? I mean think about it, maybe they look like they're fighting to be allowed a marraige certification, but really they're fighting for gay rights as well. I mean a wedding is supposed to be one of the most magnificent and wonderful moments of ur life...I mean...that IS why straight people get married right? So really your saying if ur gay and u want to get married, u just want attention, but if ur straight and u want to get married, it's a harmounious celebration.

Well if "the regulars" want it certified, then why shouldn't gays be allowed that want...that right? I mean think about it, maybe they look like they're fighting to be allowed a marraige certification, but really they're fighting for gay rights as well. I mean a wedding is supposed to be one of the most magnificent and wonderful moments of ur life...I mean...that IS why straight people get married right? So really your saying if ur gay and u want to get married, u just want attention, but if ur straight and u want to get married, it's a harmounious celebration.

Nice comments! I will say that instead of going backwards we need to move forwards. We keep going liberal with marriage issues but need to be conservative...the marriage is nothing more than a hoax for love under flase pretenses or drugs:] Look at Britanny Spears...what a shame. I think the marriage ideal needs to be seriously fixed and changed to benefit more people. Does anyone know the rate of divorce in the US alone. Cause I tell ya what! I know its big!

*Throws sand in doremi's eyes* Ha I win...End!

Heh...WOW
gay people = destruction of human race eh?

You do realize a decrease in the human population would...benefit us? I mean not by just killing off a lot of people, but less people being born. I mean...If they're gonna get married, it's not like they're gonna have babies anyways...I mean gays don't get with females just for the fun of it and have babies -_-;

Anyways a decrease in the human population would benifit us, because well obviously the economy would be better...and I'm getting off topic..I'll stop...right after this...
There'd be more food, more jobs available (that's a good thing)...etc...etc...

*has sand in eyes* Oh I'll get you yet! *starts flailing arms and legs wildly trying to kick you!*

I'm just curious about something.

Why is being gay so wrong to some people? Can you explain it without bringing God into it?

Alright...I am here because I was told...don't know how to put this nicely....stupid ah good enough.... people were running about. I am supposed to be studying for my science exam -_- I am currently trying to memorize all of the symbols for WHMIS just in case I decide TODAY IS THE DAY I WILL TRY TO DRINK LYSOL. -_-; And I will NEVER be able to memorize the definition for Isotope -.- therefore I am not in a very good mood.

For all you people who think being gay is a SIN. I want you to think about something, you just called a human being, a gay human being, a sin...Don't you think ur being harsh? I mean you're not calling PORN a sin...ur calling actual people in real life...a Sin. Doesn't that make you feel good? No matter how you look at it, these people are human beings, and no u cannot try and prove me wrong. In real life, would you ever walk up to someone and say "yo ur so stupid, such a sin." I would like to refer to this....as bullying. Do you think GOD feels good about bullying? What do you think GOD thinks about bullying? How does it feel? u bully -_-; In real life u could be the nicest person in the world, but if u decide an entire sexuality of human beings is a sin, ur going to this nice little place called HELL. Where demons will sear your flesh and eat your soul.

What you are doing is called prejudicism. Definition: When you make a personal opinion of a group of people, without knowing the facts. It doesn't matter, that maybe millions of other people think the same way...IT'S WRONG. Therefore when you say Homosexuals spread disease, I have a feeling you do not know the facts. In school you are taught that you must treat everyone as an equal...and I know it's hard to listen to your elders...BUT WHY DO U FIND THIS SIMPLE RULE THAT U'VE BEEN TAUGHT UR ENTIRE LIFE IMPOSSIBLE TO FOLLOW.

I do not know a lot about Jesus...for I am not religious...but as far as I know, Jesus had healing powers...and then others found his magic evil, and killed him am I wrong? This is called biased. Why do you think someone who was killed because of biasism, would suddenly condem an entire group of people just because they're different? Jesus was different right? But he was killed for it, and it's almost like history repeating itself. You say gays should die? or something, isn't this situation seem a little familiar? people hate jesus because he's different, they kill jesus? People think gays are different...they kill them? Oh yes this has happened, people are so controlled by their religion that they actually GO and try to kill as many gay people as possible. Do you know what happens to such people. Ok lets narrow it down. One person decides they don't like these other people, so he decides they should die. Well they usually go to jail...and in some countries they will be executed...as criminals...Do you think they did right? Did it seem like a good idea. These gay people...they have families...they have loved ones...just like each and every one of us. But here you are, saying it's not right for them to stay in this world. They're wrong...they're different. They are not diseases who pop out of no where...they are loved. And if you kill a loved one, no matter who they are...that loved one's family...will feel pain. Am I wrong? What I am taught to know, is if you kill someone...no matter who they are...it's wrong...I mean imagine this...imagine ur brother...or ur sister was gay/lesbian...they're your family, but someone at school finds out, and they kill them. You come home to ur mom and dad who are crying and find out ur sister/brother was brutally murdered. But then what ur saying is this is ok right? She was a sin...she deserved to die. Am I wrong?

Here's another point, Gay...means happy. She gayily skipped down the road. WOAH I see gay, she gets shot. I don't think we named them gay for no reason -.- woah double negative.

Rapists, they rape innocent people, then kill them. Sexual predators, sadists, criminals, killers...they are all sinners too right? They all did something wrong, they all got joy out of someone else's misery. Does anybody know about white ribbon day? The day when someone came into a college and shot as many females as he could, because he was told by the board that he couldn't join, because they wanted more females. Homosexuals...Sins? I would like you to tell me what they did wrong, what they have done so incredibly awful, that they deserve to be called sins. And if you say they brought disease onto this earth...-_-; I will only be correcting you, by saying people like you...are the ones who brought disease onto this earth, disease in our minds, making people believe such things. And don't tell me, they're sins cause god said so
-_-; I don't need a follower, I need someone who actually knows why they think a certain way.

And for all you people who believe gay people are wrong, I want you to meet a gay person. I want you to talk to this gay person. I want you to treat this gay person as though he were just like anybody else. And I don't want you to already create an opinion about this person before you get to know them.

After you do this, I might reconsider your opinion. But if you actually do this, is this person the end of humanity? Or "The desctruction of the human race?" Because anyone who thinks all gays are evil, even before they meet gays...are just complete...and utter....morons.

~Enjoy the rest of ur night. ~

Go LightDreamer. I'd quote you and make a comment but damn that's long and you covered most of it so I see no point.

And for all you people who believe gay people are wrong, I want you to meet a gay person. I want you to talk to this gay person. I want you to treat this gay person as though he were just like anybody else. And I don't want you to already create an opinion about this person before you get to know them.

I have a best friend who is gay...He is a cool guy and is normal to me aside from the gidy attitude that accompanies him. :p

~Enjoy the rest of ur night. ~

Thank you! ;)

Wowww..what a long one from you, Lightdreamer....i will surrender and let you win then...<p>..haha..
Did you said you are on science exam?? Anyway, all the best.

And for all you people who believe gay people are wrong, I want you to meet a gay person. I want you to talk to this gay person. I want you to treat this gay person as though he were just like anybody else. And I don't want you to already create an opinion about this person before you get to know them.

After you do this, I might reconsider your opinion. But if you actually do this, is this person the end of humanity? Or "The desctruction of the human race?" Because anyone who thinks all gays are evil, even before they meet gays...are just complete...and utter....morons.

~Enjoy the rest of ur night. ~

I totaly agree with LightDreamer... People are scared for what they dont know. Its in there nature... But we have evolved beond that. Use your common sense. Homosexuals are humans just like you and me. How can you judge an another person? Thats just wrong. I went to a gay-marrage once. It was my biology teacher who got married. And it was as beautifull as a "normal" wedding. Just speak to people and you'll know what they are about. Than you can have an opinion about them. I bet it will be different than all the negative opinions i've read here.

Peace

A gay freshman made me feel unconformable and got chase by him and his Friends- And you say I gong down and not call it Sinful

A gay freshman made me feel unconformable and got chase by him and his Friends- And you say I gong down and not call it Sinful

$20 says a few gay kids (or kids you THOUGHT were gay) said hi to you. ...And that's it.

i hate all homosexuals i think they should all die and vanish from the face of the earth and burned to a crisp in hell i hate them i hope they all die this is just my opinion

i hate all heterosexuals i think they should all die and vanish from the face of the earth and burned to a crisp in hell i hate them i hope they all die this is just my opinion

Do you consider what I just said offensive at all? Or... Somehow "not right"?

look gay people are cool gay guys are some of the few ppl girls can talk to about there shopping ideas

I just deleted some post that i felt were Inappropriate. First this is a debate and only a debate. Please refrain from Flamming someone else's opinion.Now If you have a problem with a particular subject DONT POST. Keep your Opinion to your self.The reason the debate section was made, Is to Read some of the intelligent Arguements,and possibly learn something you did not know before.I understand that alot of people here really dont understand some of the concepts that are being disscussed here. So if you dont, then just read and maybe once you learn some more, you can then post something worthwhile to the conversation.I apoligize if i Offended anyone in anyway

A gay freshman made me feel unconformable and got chase by him and his Friends- And you say I gong down and not call it Sinful

Like strait people, most gays are different from eachother. Some are kind, some are wicked. Regardless of sexuality, there will always be those who try to make others miserable.

Frankly, I would rather like that the land where 'ALL people are created equal' keep true to that meaning...but then again, I've read some threads that stated that the Constitution (or the Declaration of Independence) was banned from a school...maybe our nation is not meant to survive.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hope it, and I'm no pesimist. (sp?)

i think gay marriages and adoption is innappropiate

ewww homos should goto hell they are sick and gross

i think gay marriages and adoption is innappropiate

ewww homos should goto hell they are sick and gross


That is all well and good... But WHY do you think that way? They are obviously very different from you and do things that you wouldn't think of... But you do things that they find disgusting as well. We cannot just ban something because of the ick factor. There has to be legitimate reasons behind it and the fact is that there ARE none.

really there is ... i tell u why gay marriages are so sick this wat my teacher said it is disgraced of the bible and of all the other religion includin mine and the supreme court in dc in the usa will banned it

Although I have no clue as to why people say things like "I hate homos" etc. Although I do not like the idea...ps...I dont need a reason to hate things...I hate people driving the exact speed limit but there is nothing wrong with it heck if anything I am wrong but almost everyone that drives does...

Things just do not have to make sense all of the time to confuse or anger the masses...It takes a genius to reconize stupid events. People are constantly tricked into believing things that are false etc.

I thin I will revert back to my lincoln quote..."People are merley a product of the times they were raised". Meh...not exact quote but close enough.

This means that people born today think being gay is wrong because they were taught so...like when people thought slavery was ok...now we think its wrong. Same thing!

P.S. Next time try editing yout last post instead of posting again. :p

[Sarcasm on] It's okay that the minority of our free land can't be free to do what they like, just so long as the majority doesn't feel ICKY! [sarcasm off]

really there is ... i tell u why gay marriages are so sick this wat my teacher said it is disgraced of the bible and of all the other religion includin mine and the supreme court in dc in the usa will banned it

Bah, Government isn't (or shouldn't be) run by religion. It's unconstitutional, and if it was, then we wouldn't exactly be following Jefferson's quote that 'All [people] are created equal.'

really there is ... i tell u why gay marriages are so sick this wat my teacher said it is disgraced of the bible and of all the other religion includin mine and the supreme court in dc in the usa will banned it

No. First off, it may be against the strict interpretation of the Bible, but many more tolerant churches view otherwise. Remember, the main thing Jesus taught was TOLERANCE.

And all religions? That's a load of hockey. Let's go over the list of religions that are cool with homosexuality in even their strictest sense.

Neo-Pagan (Generally very supportive of human differences, equality, and personal choice. ...But can differentiate from person to person.)
Unitarian Universalist
Mahayana Buddhism (To an extent. Scriptures do not condemn it, but it is typically up to each individual person. Depends more upon culture.)
Liberal Quakers (Can vary, but for the most part has no problems with it.)
Reform Judaism
Orthodox Quakers (Again, depends upon area. Some are more accepting than others, but there is no direct THOU SHALT NOT BE GAY in there.)
Sikhism (Not listed as a sin, but might be involved in karma. Again, depends on personal views.)
Theravada Buddhism (Again, not in scripture and depends upon personal views.)
New Thought
Taoism ("Positions on homosexuality is not unambiguously stated in the ancient texts. One might be able to derive a stance on these issues, but any such stance would be attenuated by the recognition that any stance is just a conceptual abstraction that has little usefulness.")
Liberal Protestants
Hinduism (Views on homosexuality range from neutral to strong opposition, in part because sexual activity itself is generally regarded as contrary to enlightenment and, as such, is only acceptable within marriage for procreation. So, again, it varies.)
Secular Humanism
Atheists and Agnostics (Depends from person to person, but because of the questioning nature of them, they are much more likely to lean on the pro side of homosexuality issues.)


There. That is 14 of the 27 major religions in the world. You must also note that it depends deeply upon culture. You would say that their religion is wrong based upon your own? You cannot do that in the United States, as the Separation between Church and State states.

A gay freshman made me feel unconformable and got chase by him and his Friends- And you say I gong down and not call it Sinful

Gawd you pplz make me sick, so ur going to judge probably millions of people on the actions of these few? That's like me saying I despise everyone who....uses the name guardian in any Forum or w/e. What you have here is a case of...wait I know this >.< ugh can't remember the word, ah well we shall call this STUPIDITY! Yay!...>.>

ewww homos should goto hell they are sick and gross

Here is my wonderous rephrasing of ur fun words <.<

Eww you're so gross, you should go to hell, ur so sick and gross. YUCK <- added for effect...Meh who knows maybe I actually feel this way huh?

Lets take a looksey here, So far...NOBODY has given a good answer as to why homosexuals are so bad. Therefore I shall continue pitying all of you who think this way, that is right....I pity you and ur moral insensibility.

I've said this before and I'll say it again...you pplz make me sick...like...really sick....I have the urge to find each and every one of you, and smite thee. [I've cleaned up what I wanted to say...as to not hurt ur stupid probably virgin ears]

Gawd you pplz make me sick, so ur going to judge probably millions of people on the actions of these few? That's like me saying I despise everyone who....uses the name guardian in any Forum or w/e. What you have here is a case of...wait I know this >.< ugh can't remember the word, ah well we shall call this STUPIDITY! Yay!...>.>



Here is my wonderous rephrasing of ur fun words <.<

Eww you're so gross, you should go to hell, ur so sick and gross. YUCK <- added for effect...Meh who knows maybe I actually feel this way huh?

Lets take a looksey here, So far...NOBODY has given a good answer as to why homosexuals are so bad. Therefore I shall continue pitying all of you who think this way, that is right....I pity you and ur moral insensibility.

I've said this before and I'll say it again...you pplz make me sick...like...really sick....I have the urge to find each and every one of you, and smite thee. [I've cleaned up what I wanted to say...as to not hurt ur stupid probably virgin ears]

I hate to be hated but the way you explain is discrimintion.. talking like a true racist or a fatty(Not to affend anybody but defending what in the bold) Everybody should have their own opinion,if the same if would be boring
....baka Gaki

I'm just debating -_-; of course ur entitled to ur own opinion, and I have the right to kill joy ur opinion =) happy?

I'm just debating -_-; of course ur entitled to ur own opinion, and I have the right to kill joy ur opinion =) happy?

Cheerful but it ain't over kid

I hate to be hated but the way you explain is discrimintion.. talking like a true shemale or a fatty(Not to affend anybody but defending what in the bold) Everybody should have their own opinion,if the same if would be boring
....baka Gaki


You hate to be hated but you hate homosexuals? Does the word "hypocrisy" mean anything to you?

It's called a debate... Where you go back and forth with people on a topic in order to prove a point and/or come to a conclusion. It's not a debate when you just say "I r teh hate homos" and "u disagree with me, but u hate and i can think wut i want." Do you have a VALID reason for why homosexuality is wrong? A valid reason why it is okay to hate homosexuals?

Cheerful but it ain't over kid

I don't know about you, but so far

Pro Gay Marraige = A lot
No gay Marraige = None (or at least no valid reasons have yet come up, except for the forever resounding ewwwws)

So really, I honestly didn't know it started ;)

You hate to be hated but you hate homosexuals? Does the word "hypocrisy" mean anything to you?

It's called a debate... Where you go back and forth with people on a topic in order to prove a point and/or come to a conclusion. It's not a debate when you just say "I r teh hate homos" and "u disagree with me, but u hate and i can think wut i want." Do you have a VALID reason for why homosexuality is wrong? A valid reason why it is okay to hate homosexuals?

Like I said "Everybody have there own opinion"

And like I said, this is a debate. Opinions by themselves don't cut it. That's called a discussion. Debate is about facts and logic and so far, you've given neither to this topic.

Legalize gay marriage, why not? Marriage is nothing more than a legal contract between two people in which the only difference it really makes is that if there's a divorce the guy loses 50% of his shit to the woman... which makes this interesting however. In a case of two men or two women divorcing, who would end up having to pay half their salary every month? Oh well, why would we create laws and constitutional amendments to ban gay marriage, isn't that backwards of what this country stands for? Was the constitution written to limit the freedom of it's people? I doubt it, but that's what Bush wants to do...

=O READ teh Chrysalids XD dats one awesome book <.< and it'll let all you people see urselves for what you really are =O

Gay marriage... I don't think they should ban this. If it's what the people want, then shouldn't they get it. I find it very... stupid. Adoption... is good, a lot of people would just stay orphans if not for adoption.

Ok, though I myself have a strong belief in God, I want the rest of you who believe in God to stop arguing stupid "points" saying [mocking voice]"God says no so I do too"[/mocking voice].

For the "religous" folk: Faith has taken a back seat in this world, so how do you expect it to have a major effect on important issues? Also, STOP complaining about homosexuals being sin incarnated. God loves homosexuals as much as he loves the rest of us, just like He loves murderers and child molesters and the like. Homosexuality is NOT a sin, only the act of homosexual intercourse is. Another thing that has no meaning for most in today's society is marriage. Don't bother trying to convince people that marriage is "for a man and a woman" and that it's "a holy bond". These days 50% of marriages end in divorce and plenty of families have unmarried parents, so that ones out as well.
So in conclusion, if you have no scientific argument then don't bother posting, you're just wasting our time and space.

For the unreligious: Lily229 said a while ago that "If God didn't want gays he shouldn't have made them in the first place." For purely explainational purposes, it wasn't God who created homosexuals, it was when Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit and became knowledgable of "good and evil", which introduced sin to the world, but of course most of you will pay this no mind.

As for my views and arguments, homosexuality is not a choice, it is genetic. Scientists have been able to modify the genes of many animals to make them purely homosexual. However, because it is genetic doesn't mean that homosexuals have to act on their impulses. ["Religious" point] Just like the rest of us they experience temptation, and just like the rest of us they are able to not follow through with those temptaions. Just because you are gay doesn't mean you HAVE to have intercourse with other homosexuals, there are many "one-time" homosexuals who are now followers of Christ. I say "one-time" because these people are still gay, they just choose to obey God. [/"Religious" point] Then again, most of you are once again going to ignore that aren't you?

Anyways, I don't need to go into homosexuality being natural/unnatrual because that's already been done. Homosexuality isn't the best way to increase your population, but homosexuality isn't on a large enough scale to really affect population growth.

As I've already said, marriage means nothing these days except getting new rights (unless you choose to be married for a holy, God-honoring purpose or whatever). God encourages us to love and accept everyone, the most common people Jesus hung out with were people no one else whould (like tax collectors). How many of you believe "only God can judge me, no one else can"? Then why do you judge homosexuals? As far as I can tell, there is no need for a debate. I still think it's wrong, disguting and immoral, but I'm not the judge. If they want to get married, then let God decide, it's not up to us.

I may edit or add to this later.

i am not for gay marriage for i believe that the ultimatum for marriage is to produce children (that's why it could be a ground for divorce if one is sterile)

Personally I am for gay marriage. Although I also feel that even if I wasn't they still should be allowed to marry because it doesn't affect me. I actually live in massachusettes and if it wasn't for the news I wouldn't have even known that gay people were getting married. Why not just let them do it.
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Just because you are gay doesn't mean you HAVE to have intercourse with other homosexuals
Just because you are human doesn't mean you have to eat. It's silly to ask someone to be something other than what they are. Gay people are gay, why not let them do their own thing?

I think there is a slight difference between sex and eating. Everyone is capable of living a life without sex if they choose to. What about Catholic priests taking a vow of celibacy? Edit: Forgot to mention the IMPORTANCE of eating, though I'm sure you all know how important it is.

I will admit that eathing is more inportant than sex, although both are actions that are programed into us. Asking someone not to have sex is just as silly as asking someone not to eat in that respect.

i am not for gay marriage for i believe that the ultimatum for marriage is to produce children (that's why it could be a ground for divorce if one is sterile)


No, that is not the ultimate of marriage. Marriage today is much more (and perhaps less as well) than what it used to be. It is now a formal bond between two people that love each other. It is a contract that legally binds two people together, giving new rights and etc.

There is no good reason against gay marriage. The only things against it are that marriage used to always be between a man and a woman and the religious view. Neither can still apply to today. Marriage also used to only be between a person of the same color. (Funny how back in the 60s when they were protesting interracial marriage, they ALSO called it "Protecting the sanctity of marriage.") Also, religion cannot be used to determine what mass laws should take place, seeing as how we have this little bit in our Constitution about separating the Church and the State.

hahaha... you check the law if you want to... you should also take into consideration that a lot of annullment and divorce cases are related to the sterile issue... besides if you really love each other you don't have to get formally married

DarkAztek brings up a good point. You can talk about what marriage means in todays society all you want, although what is being debated isn't the church's view of the "scantity of marriage." If the church decides that they don't want to allow people who are gay to get married by their church that is their business, although marriage under the law is different. And considering htat we have a seperation of church and state we should not allow religious affiliatoins to affect federal and state marriage laws.

Gay marriage doesn't make sense to me, and abortion can be for good and bad reasons, but I don't think that it should be done.

Religiously I am Christian...but in the real world, I agree with gay marriage. they can ban marriage, but they can't ban love! and love conquers all, so you do the math ppl. if you are against it, what for? coz it doesn't "make sense"?? We have been around for long enough to realize and see that it shouldn't matter what we are or what we like, coz we are all humans and none of us, NONE OF US are perfect....we should all be mature about this whole "situation" and be "Land of the Free!" for once, huh?

it is irrevalent if you do not understand gay marriage. Should something be bannedsimply because you do not understand it? I don't understand how someone could be religious, although I don't think we should ban religion.

Being gay could be seen as several things, but the two most sensible ones contradict each other. It could have been God that created gay people, or it could have been a natural variation created by nature. If you want to believe that God didn't make gay people, you have to believe that nature exists as its own entity and visa versa. I personally think that there's no problem with gay people. I think that it's not their fault that they're gay, and that they shouldn't be persecuted for it. They deserve equality, just as different races and religions do.

The most sensible thing for the government to do (but will never happen because of fucktards): Have the government marriage abolished and civil unions instituted across the board - but leave marriage to the churchs. That way no one can complain about the government encroaching on their religion.

I personally think that gay marraige is wrong. As for adoption, I think it is great. I have two adopted African American younger sisters, and they are from the same birth mother. their real mother was having problems with drugs and things, so we took them in and now they are a part of our family, and i think it is for the best. :)

I think Gay Marriges is wrong. God intended for Man and woman only. Look it up in the bible. Just because God put gays in the world not because he wanted it. God created Mass murders and serial killer along with kidnappers but you dont see me thinking its right!!!! There are sins because Eve tempted Adam into eating the fruit not because he wanted sin. Plus gays were the reason for the big threat AIDS because homosexual Sex can causes AIDS. So gays are killing people too!!!!!!

Fool. Normal sex can cause AIDS just as easily as homosexual sex. Also, to credit all of your reasoning to the Bible is foolish. There are many people with many different religions. Christianity is not a valid reason to state that homosexuality is wrong. Also, why did God create evil? It was probably meant to keep a balance in the world. To put being homosexual on the same level as being a serial killer is a sin unto itself...

I am not gay but i am for Gay rights......(that says it all)

There seem to be alot of random people with under 10 posts who come on here and just say crazy stuff like that. also to the other guy, when they said adoption, i think he was reffering to a gay couple adopting a child.

Also, why did you specify the race of your adopted siblings?

yes god created adam and eve not adam and steve, but if two ppl are attracted to each other, no matter how strange it seems to the rest of society, u can't restrain that love and say its wrong, u don have the right(btw im not gay -.-; )

I think Gay Marriges is wrong. God intended for Man and woman only. Look it up in the bible. Just because God put gays in the world not because he wanted it. God created Mass murders and serial killer along with kidnappers but you dont see me thinking its right!!!! There are sins because Eve tempted Adam into eating the fruit not because he wanted sin. Plus gays were the reason for the big threat AIDS because homosexual Sex can causes AIDS. So gays are killing people too!!!!!!

OMFGZORZ!!! A reason for banning gay marriage based purely on religious factors from Christianity that cannot be allowed to pass in the United States under those pretenses because of the Separation between Church and State!? Holy shit! I've never heard that reason before! What an incredibly brilliant reason!!!


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/09/science/09cnd-smell.html

Wow, what do you know? Gay men and women ARE biologically different from straight men and women! Wow, that means that they are capable of everything that the law requires, except both lovers have the same sex organs! But no, no, that CAN'T be a good enough reason for gay marriage! What do you know?! Homosexuality is NOT a choice both biologically and psychologically! Hence, it is NATURAL.

But gays can't produce children! Oh wait, neither can infertile or elderly people, yet they're still allowed to marry. Shucks, there goes that excuse too.

Gay parents will raise gay children! Oopes, that was shot down several pages ago in about 2,500 case studies performed over the years. Oopes, the APA says that the reason is total bunk... Otherwise straight parents would just raise straight children. Kids don't need one male and one female figure living at home in order to be raised normally. I mean, otherwise single parents wouldn't be allowed to raise kids. Additionally, children without both sexes as role models living at home will find another role model from somewhere else, be he/she a police officer, a teacher, and etc.

Straight marriage will become less meaningful! Yes, because being able to marry someone, while drunk or high for less than 3 days (a certain pop singer we all know, for example) is totally meaningful.

Heterosexual marriage has been around forever! That's just the way it is! So was not allowing black people to marry white people.

Gay marriage is not supported by religion! Oh wait, that's wrong. It completely is... Plus not all marriages need to be religious, seeing as how people can receive a marriage liscense and get married by a THE STATE. And what's that? Oh right! There are several religions that accept homosexuality as well as many branches and more liberal sects of every existing religion that would allow it for their branch as well!

Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay! Gee, that's funny. According to mass sociological studies, the gay population has stayed relatively around 10% for about the past 30 years... In almost every country of the world. That's like saying hanging around people with a small penis makes you have one too.

Legalizing gay marriage will mean people can start doing all kinds of crap! What about beastiality and people wanting to marry their cousins!? Oh, last time I checked an animal was incapable of giving consent, seeing as how they have LIMITED (at best) cognitive thought processes! And what's that? Incestual relationships have an extremely high percent rate of having children born with horrible mutations and diseases?

Civil unions provide the same benefits, right? Oh, shit! That's completely wrong! Civil unions actually don't give over 1,000 rights that marriage gives! And what's that? Several states have banned BOTH gay marriage and civil unions? And what's THAT!? This sounds somewhat like "separate but equal." I'm just glad we have a school for black kids and one for white kids, otherwise we might actually have diversity in PUBLIC!



For anyone who can't tell, I was fairly sarcastic at several moments of this post... And I find it a crime that I need to say this, otherwise I risk people responding in a complete ASS way.

erm.. i just wanna know.. if a gay intends to get married, this is done in the civil court right?? erm... sorry... i'm really curious..

Not unless they want to. If they have a religious official that is willing to marry them, then they can get married (in areas that permit it). Anyone who can marry a man and woman can marry a man and a man or a woman and a woman.

Homosexual individuals should be given the right to marry and to adopt think about it most of the kids put up for adoption will be taken care of by loving families. Dont state the old argument of if kids are raised in gay families they will be gay because its absurd. They have the same chance of being gay by being raised in a hetero family so stuff it.

I think Gay Marriges is wrong. God intended for Man and woman only. Look it up in the bible. Just because God put gays in the world not because he wanted it.

1.) If God only wanted man and woman, why even bother 'making' homosexuals?

There are sins because Eve tempted Adam into eating the fruit not because he wanted sin.

2.) So it's a sin? I don't remember Eve tempting Adam into being homosexual.

Plus gays were the reason for the big threat AIDS because homosexual Sex can causes AIDS. So gays are killing people too!!!!!!

3.) AIDS is an sTD which can be passed just as easily from man to woman, or vice versa. ANYone not using protection suffers that risk. They're not INTENTIONALLY killing anyone!

In my opinion, I think gays SHOULD be able to get married and adopt. Love is the same no matter what the gender, and I don't see why they should be discriminated against just because they don't find the opposite sex attractive. Society boasts about equal treatment, but this is not equal. Plenty of children raised in a straight home have turned out to be gay, so that's not a risk is it? If they are going to be loved, then why take away that right because there is not a man~woman relationship?

I may get hated for saying thi, but it's really gross. I mean men "saudersise" (i don't think i spelled that right) each other cause they can't reproduce together! It's disgusting!! it's wrong! Women and men were made for each other. If every oen was gay, we'd become extinct! it doesn't work. if animals are smart enough to not do that then why aren't we? like my signature says, we're slowly destroying ourselves.

I think that adoption shouldn't be permitted but if people want to be together they will do what they want anyway. Personally I would've hated having two fathers, or mothers, and I probably would be gay if I did. Male homosexuality is disgusting, to me. I just don't think that it is right to only have one sex of parents because the child would only be exposed to that while growing up and would think that it is the natural way that things are supposed to be.

first of all gay people don't have sex becaue they can't reproduce, that makes no sense. Second of all if anything we are at risk of killing ourselves from overpopulation, so gay people would be helping with that problem. (you know if we were not able to develope better farming techniques and genetically modified plants we could only feed like 60% or so of the worlds population)

Also laws should not be made only on personal opinion. Just because you don't like ggay people does not mean that they should not be able to adopt. And even if you think it is bad, it has to be better than livving in an orphanage, at least they will have loving parrents.

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Also, have you ever watched dogs, they will hump anything, male, female, couch you name it. Soo uhhhh animals do it too, just no one cares.

excuse me but do you realize just how much space there is in the world? lots more, tons. I mean if we were all housed in a gigantic city then we'd only take up the space of Manitoba, or somehting of that scale. Peaole have gigantice yards, then there's all of the pastures and fields. The north is still inhabitable to. We ave tons of space, people are just gready, i know i am, and it's just an observation. i've noticed it in almost every one.

I may get hated for saying thi, but it's really gross. I mean men "saudersise" (i don't think i spelled that right) each other cause they can't reproduce together! It's disgusting!! it's wrong! Women and men were made for each other. If every oen was gay, we'd become extinct! it doesn't work. if animals are smart enough to not do that then why aren't we? like my signature says, we're slowly destroying ourselves.


Little known fact: Oral sex = sodomy as well. And in terms of anal sex, which is what I believe you were refering to... The vast majority of gay men do not partake in anal sex. In fact, more straight people have anal sex than gay people. Check it out for yourself on Google.

excuse me but do you realize just how much space there is in the world? lots more, tons. I mean if we were all housed in a gigantic city then we'd only take up the space of Manitoba, or somehting of that scale. Peaole have gigantice yards, then there's all of the pastures and fields. The north is still inhabitable to. We ave tons of space, people are just gready, i know i am, and it's just an observation. i've noticed it in almost every one.


There is a population of almost 7 billion people on Earth. We're not all spread out like you might like to think. Sure, we'd all have something like 20 acres of land per person... But guess what!? Then where do the animals and plants go? Where do we farm? Where do we make shit? We're all condensed together. And as far as space as a counterarguement (and lack OF space as the original argument, really) goes, it is a really weak point.

I think that adoption shouldn't be permitted but if people want to be together they will do what they want anyway. Personally I would've hated having two fathers, or mothers, and I probably would be gay if I did. Male homosexuality is disgusting, to me. I just don't think that it is right to only have one sex of parents because the child would only be exposed to that while growing up and would think that it is the natural way that things are supposed to be.


If you actually took the time to check through a few of the pages in here, you might see some interesting links I posted before. Oh holy shit! All research points directly to the fact that having gay parents adopt a child has absolutely no effect on the child! Holy SHIT! It's like your point is proved completely moot and archaic all at once! It's like you have no excuse or something except for your own personal homophobia! No, it's not "like" that. It's fact.


I dare either of you two to read this through this entire thread to find the posts I have made here... Look at the links... And prove me wrong. Go ahead. If you can prove me wrong, I'll run my car into a tree.


Also laws should not be made only on personal opinion.

Is that a fact? Then what about decency laws? Aren't they nothing more than opinion? What about anti-gay marriage laws? I don't see any of the facts backing them up. Pure opinion. What about laws on incestual marriage for people who cannot procreate or have the exact same chances as having a deformed child as any other person?

i don't think i'll look at the links, but i know a guy who had 2 fathers and he's in therapy because of it now, that is just my observation, sorry.

excuse me but do you realize just how much space there is in the world? lots more, tons. I mean if we were all housed in a gigantic city then we'd only take up the space of Manitoba, or somehting of that scale. Peaole have gigantice yards, then there's all of the pastures and fields. The north is still inhabitable to. We ave tons of space, people are just gready, i know i am, and it's just an observation. i've noticed it in almost every one.

Tabris comon you have to be smarter than that. Have you ever heard of carying capacity? There is enough physical room for people, although at the rate our population is expanding we will soon not be able to produce enough food for everyone. Infact currently we don't even make enough considering how many people are starving in poorer countries.

Let me make this simple, when you go out in the woods and see a bear or a wolf or something, have you ever wondered why you don't see 1000 of them all bunched together? It is because those animals need many square miles of forest to themselves to hunt to provide enough food. (obviously a pack of animals would take even more). If there were 1000 in one place most, if not all, would die and that would be hte end of that.

right enough food, i'm sorry butif we all ate the right amount, and didn't have huge banquets, where tons of food go to waist, if we didn't over eat here, then the pople in third world countries and such could have all of the food we don't eat. As a total i'm sure we eat almost 2 times what we should. And anyways people are getting obese and it's bad for them. We live in this selfish world, where we always want more,and more food is one of them. So maybe if we ate only what we needed instead of everythign we want, then we could have enough stuff to feed every one.

We are really getting off topic.

i don't think i'll look at the links, but i know a guy who had 2 fathers and he's in therapy because of it now, that is just my observation, sorry.


OMFGZORZ! THAT PROVES IT! RIGHT THERE! A SINGLE SOLITARY CASE THAT IS PROBABLY MADE UP BY YOU PROVES TWO DECADES OF SCIENTIFIC STUDIES COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY WRONG! WHAT WAS I THINKING!?


The fact of the matter is that there is not a single solitary reason to not give gay people the right to marry and/or adopt children other than the "ickyness/homophobic" reasoning. The "sanctitiy of marriage" was also "defended" back in the 1960s. Perhaps you've heard of it (http://www.isteve.com/IsLoveColorblind.htm).

Well actually currently we can make enough food to be greedy and feed them, money is the reason why they go hungry, but you are right, it is a bit offtopic.

Personally I think we should all adopt gay married couples.

Yeep.

if they love each other, they should be allowed to get married just like any other couple. and that's that. if you think it's against god's code, then think about this. it's a free country, and not every has to be a christian, or even believe in god for that matter. ((i do of course, but i have gay friends, and they're just like regular ppl)) and if they wanna get married, tell 'em "have at it!"

law can't be based off of religion in america! it doesn't work! fools. let the gays be gay and get on with your life. sheesh.

OMFGZORZ! THAT PROVES IT! RIGHT THERE! A SINGLE SOLITARY CASE THAT IS PROBABLY MADE UP BY YOU PROVES TWO DECADES OF SCIENTIFIC STUDIES COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY WRONG! WHAT WAS I THINKING!?


The fact of the matter is that there is not a single solitary reason to not give gay people the right to marry and/or adopt children other than the "ickyness/homophobic" reasoning. The "sanctitiy of marriage" was also "defended" back in the 1960s. Perhaps you've heard of it (http://www.isteve.com/IsLoveColorblind.htm).

It's so nice that you would acuse me of telling falsehoods. I mean it's so bloody nice that we live in a world where you assume every one is lying. Unfortunately we do live in a world where there is no trust, and no moral basis, which i am sorry to admit.The morals that use to suport our society have crumbled and dissapeared. I mourn the fact that you feel that you can't trust me, or most peole, if any. The world has become a vile, malicius place.

sorry... pet peave... yay!! Toma!! *glomp* so nice to see some one inteligent!
Any ways, luv' yall, maybe next tiem i wont flip out about the moral coruption which polutes our comunity. bye.

if tehys fags lemme be fags...
no need to rag unless the fag gotta brag

lol, nice. But ya, try to be serious it is a debate.

I don't think that you made it up, but I would agree that that one case doesn't count for anything. I find it hard to believe that gay people would try to make adopted kids gay. Does any parent want their kid to suffer? Maybe none of this would be an issue if people just learned to accept eachother. I don't understand why discrimination keeps occuring. Outlawing gay marriage and adoption is like outlawing racial mixing through marriage, or outlawing Europeans from adopting Asians. It's just wrong and injust, and nothing is going to change that.

almost, sort of, lets just say the whoel world was populated by gay people. How long would the human race last? i would really like to knokw, if all the cave men were gay, would you be here? True it's one case doesn't really count for much, but that's just my experience, so i go with my observations.

ok people here it is plan in black and white:

NOT EVERYONE IS GOING TO BE GAY/LESBIAN, THEREFORE, THE HUMAN RACE IS NOT, I REPEAT NOT GOING TO END OVER GAY/LESBIAN PERSONS! OMG, GET OVER IT!

ahem...gay/lesbian persons are just ordinary people, but with different interests. if you hate me because i like the color red, then thats just plain dumb. if you hate me because im bi, then thst just plain dumb. wth everyone? i mean seriously, wth?

and, like the song goes, "Get get get get over it!"

i agree. her's my viewpoint:

if u don't like gays/homosexuals...

DON'T MARRY ONE!

Its not like they're gonna invite U to the wedding so get over it.

and you dont HAVE to look at them or comment on them. if they arent in your life, then dont screw around with theirs

I say I don't care what they do don't effect me though I do feel bad for the kid if they get adopted, because needless to say school is gonna be one major bitch. Think about how cruel us kids are today a kid with gay parent's is just gonna be...eaten alive.

My whole deal is that they are not bothering you whether it is right, or wrong reliously or not. Does it matter who are you to judge are you perfect I don't think so.

I say let us mind our own buisness and let the other people mind theres. It's as simple as that. And people say Gays will be the end of the human race are just plain stupid because it is not like EVERYONE IN THE WORLD IS GONNA TURN GAY! Something tells me that staright people will most likely hold the majority in our world for a very, very long time.

i agree aburame. pplz who say that gays will end the world only have one viewpoint and thats that they're bad or whatever. lemme tell u something now. gays dont care what straight ppl think of them. they dont CARE if u like them, they dont CARE if u approve of it. if they're gay they're gonna do it no matter what u say or do, so its no use actin like an asshole about it.

i am not tryin to flame anyone or even make fun of some. i am just one who does not like narrowminded ppl in general. homosexuality is a very sensitive subject for me. and yes, i admit it, i do feel bad for kids who have two moms or dads. but thats not because i think they're gonna end up fucked up or whatever. like aburame said, kids with gay parents are gonna go to school and have to deal with hell every single day because of these narrowminded ppl. i admit, not all ppl that dont like gay ppl are like that.

but there are some extremists that i wouldnt mind kicking their ass. some believe, and this is actually a quote from a boy at my school, that " straight ppl are ppl" and that gays are not, as if they dont deserve to live a life and that they deserve the homophobic beatings and remarks and everything else.

and a lot of boys and even girls i know use the word 'fag' or 'gay' as an insult, as if the word automatically means ur stupid or an idiot. lkike, "thats gay" or, "ur a fag". it annoys me to no end to hear ppl say things like this.

i wont get into to it religiously, but i do know that in the christian bible it syas that u are not to pass judgement on others because in the end it will be u who has to be judged, or something of that sort. so those of u who judge someone based on their sexuality and still claim ur christian, then i suggest u maybe read the bible again.

and you dont HAVE to look at them or comment on them. if they arent in your life, then dont screw around with theirs

True enough, you can just ignor them, or accept the, but beign predjudice against someone is just stupid.

I know people who say Gay, and Fag as insult. I never saw anything wrong with hell to be honest I have even used it myself. But now I am starting to understand why people would not like it.

They are still humans so they should get respect and be treated like everybody else, and not be left out or anything.....^_^

hmmm....there's a lot of things people dont agree with and thats fine. you cant change people's minds about some things, but aburame, i'm glad that some of the opinions on this thread might've helped you understand...

im not gay, not that ther is anything wrong with that

there is absolutely nothing wrong with being gay. gay is just another way of living. its just having another interest in life, and i believe that homosexuals shouldnt have to be scared to come out to the people they're closest to. my father hates gays, no matter what, and he was the last to find out about my aunt's homosexuality, because she was scared of what he would say.

to tell the truth, my father disgusts me. he says that the only reason he doesn't disown her is because she is his sister. but beyond that, i believe that homosexuals should be proud of what they are and should be able to express themselves in public without being condemned for it.

Most likely I will still use gay and Fag as insults though it is just built into my brain like that.

hm...i'm not gonna harp on you about it, but tell me this: can u make up a reason why u might use it as an insult? why its seen as one?

Nope I have been using it since the 4th grade (Yeah in fourth grade I was sort of a Gay Basher.)

The reason I most likely will still use it is because I have been using it so long that chances are I couldn't stop if I tried. It natural for me to go "That's gay!" When I don't like something it is just the way I am. Like I said I have nothing against gays even though I have no gay friends and have never even met a Homosexual person that I know of. And chances are I never will. They live their life I live mine its the way it is.

Gays...homos...all human like any dam straight person. calling them "fags" is just crossing the border. If they wanna get married then hell let them. Its not gonna bother anyones life, maybe the child's if they adopt one. But all I can say is whatever they do aint gonna affect me or any of you.

I agree with you....let them live their lives...

and aburame, you could have gay friends and you just don't know about it. But hell...who knows? I know that half of my friends at FMS were either homosexual or bi....

They are still humans so they should get respect and be treated like everybody else, and not be left out or anything.....^_^

You are abolutely right they are humans, but i accept them, but not what they do. I would do for them as i would od for any one else, but i will not be open to them gettng married. It's defined man and woman, it's based on the belief that it was a man and a woman in the begining, that you need the two Opposite sex's to reproduce. Even evolution speaks of this, not just christianity, and the beliefe that 1 man and 1 woman were created together, not 2 men.

That's just me though, if they do end up making it leagal every where for homosexuals to get married, I wont look down on them, i just wont marry a woman. :p

As to lying with another man as with a woman ... It is likely that the prohibition thou shall not lie with a male as with a woman came about for one of the following reasons:
> Only sexual acts which could lead to procreation were valued as the tribes needed to grow in numbers in order to survive.
> Male homosexual sex may have been connected in the Hebrew mind with idolatry. Notice that Lev. 18:2 deals with idolatry. In fact many of the prohibitions in the Holiness Code were probably connected with idolatrous practices, see 19:26-29.
> Women were second class citizens in the Hebrew culture and were generally treated as property. If a man was penetrated in sexual intercourse he was being treated like a woman and so was degraded in the Hebrew mind. The offense was not that this was a homosexual act, the offense was that a MAN was treated like a WOMAN. If this line of thinking is correct it would serve to explain . Women could not be degraded by such an act as they were already not held in high esteem. there is a theory that the Hebrew people believed in a perfect order of creation and anything that violated that order was considered unclean or an abomination. A probable example would be that fish were considered the perfect sea animal, hence anything in the sea that did not have scales and fins was unclean. (Lev. 11:9-10)
Cattle were the perfect cud chewing animal, hence anything that chewed cud, but didn't have hooves was unclean. (Lev. 11:6). If this theory is correct then the prohibition against male sex acts would be violating the role of the perfect ideal human: man. It would seem to mix the sex role of the imperfect woman with the ideal role of the man...

This was an excerpt from a debate about this same subject over at Gaia between college professors. It deals with the fact that the Christian bible may be contradicting itself. If you read, it says that it wasn't the fact that homosexuality was wrong, it was the fact that men were treated as 'lower beings', as women. While women were not high on the respect scale anyway, it seems that nhomosexuality was okay so long as it was lesbianism and not homosexual men, which makes no sense to me, but then again, it states that any form of sexual intercourse used not for the role of reproduction was wrong too...

no gay people should not be allowed to adopt kids end of convo it's just not natrual

no gay people should not be allowed to adopt kids end of convo it's just not natrual
preach brotha, preach

just because its not natural doesnt mean it shouldn't happen. Half of the things people experience in life isnt what u might call 'natural'. unless ur a fatalyst, i guess...

Exactly. Adoption itself isn't natural. Besides, homosexuality wasn't created by a machine, so it's just as natural as anything else.

exactly. homosexuality is just another aspect of human life. its just as 'natural' as growing up and hitting puberty and whatever else. homosexuals are just people that have different interests than u do. that deosn't mean they need to be condemned for the way they live.

disgusting, if this was up to nature, none of it would happen. It's not natural and so it should not happen, like i'm sure i must have mentioned earlier (and if i ddin't then i am sorry for claiming so) lets say the whole bloody world populatoin was gay, how long would we last, lets say no one would accept ANY THING (a spemr or an egg, nothing along those lines) because they only loved thier own sex, just how long would we last?

It's also natural to kill, so is it ok to do that? no, so weather it's natural or not is kinda a silly argument, but, if you want to go with that, it's also not natural to have sex with a dead person, now if taht's not wrong, then please explain. unnatural stuff is just icky, and not acceptable, but of course so is some natural stuff, so we really have no argument at all on how it being natural or unnatural is relevant or worthy of discussing.

tss, what ever a person does in there time is up to them as longs as there not breaking the law........and if they happen to like there same sex who are u to tell them that they cant.......wather its nasty or not they cant marry who ever they want......and as 4 adoption who says gay ppl cant raise a kid......(what just becuz there gay they cant raise a kid or kids.....they could have just as much parenting skillz as a stright cuple....and just becuz there gay doesnt mean that there kids are going to grow up gay also.........

tss, what ever a person does in there time is up to them as longs as there not breaking the law........and if they happen to like there same sex who are u to tell them that they cant.......wather its nasty or not they cant marry who ever they want......and as 4 adoption who says gay ppl cant raise a kid......(what just becuz there gay they cant raise a kid or kids.....they could have just as much parenting skillz as a stright cuple....and just becuz there gay doesnt mean that there kids are going to grow up gay also.........

The multiple periods make you seem rather uncertain, but it's the part aobut "just because they're gay doesn't mean their kids are going to grow up gay also." that makes it seam as though you disagree with the gayness, as you had to try to point out that it's not certain that they will be gay in an attempt to strengthen your argument. You seam to have instincts that say inside that it's wrong and it came out even thoguh it was not supposed to.

Course that could just be my human studies surfacing again, as i have studied humans rather... enthusiasticly, and persued it greatly. lol, what ever, this is gettign rather futile thoough, as niether side is wavering, and we are so incredibly biased in our oppinions, that no matter how long we argue, we will never make head way.

AAAH!! I'm not reading this! EVERYONE'S BEING A BASTARD!!! Can't we just get our frickin' heads out of degrading lifestyles?! Can't we learn to accept people?! Everyone needs to get over the fact that there will be aspects of people that they won't like. Idiots who don't accept homosexuality and condemn it are murdering people! So one sentence in the bible says that marriage is between a man and a woman. Crap-loads of the rest of it talks about accepting people and being kind to others! Doesn't seem like you're all respecting your neighbors.

my opinion about gay marriage:

its ridiculous and disgusting...n i agree wit Tabris. the reason is that homosexsual is not natural and it breaking the rule, not human law, but natural law ie God's Rule...maybe someday if one said wanna have sex wit animal, u all gonna agree wit that? ergh! disgusting man...same here with homosex issue. it should not be happened!!! if they said those ppl were born wit homosexsuality, they're lied. isnt it obvious that man were created for woman n woman for man?. The reason y they become gay is becuz of theirself. they just want to become gay...they can actually fight back to become normal person...however, i didnt hate gay ppl, somehow they're even better than normal ppl. i just hate their thoughts and believes about gays..hence i totally disagree wit gay marriage...

The reason y they become gay is becuz of theirself. they just want to become gay...they can actually fight back to become normal person...


Firstly, how the HELL can u say that gay ppl CHOOSE to be the way they are!? Gay ppl have to live a life of ridicule, injustice, and discrimintaion all because they are attracted to the same sex, so if they could choose whether to be accepted by society or condemned, give me ONE good reason why they would CHOOSE to be gay.

its ridiculous and disgusting...n i agree wit Tabris. the reason is that homosexsual is not natural and it breaking the rule, not human law, but natural law ie God's Rule...


Secondly, the bible contradicts itself a number of times, so there's no use using it as an argument. Maybe being gay isn't apart of the whole, "woman x man, man x woman" law, but that doesn't mean that its "breaking a law." maybe u should read the very first post on this page.

> If a man was penetrated in sexual intercourse he was being treated like a woman and so was degraded in the Hebrew mind. The offense was not that this was a homosexual act, the offense was that a MAN was treated like a WOMAN. A probable example would be that fish were considered the perfect sea animal, hence anything in the sea that did not have scales and fins was unclean. (Lev. 11:9-10)

The reason homosexuality was WRONG in God's law was the fact that men were being treated like women, who were veiwed as lower figures in the general society of Hebrew mankind, so when a man was degraded to assuming the role of a woman in the act of homosexuality, they called homosexuality "wrong", because men were "the ideal form of a human". So in truth, the only reason homosexuality is even veiwed as wrong and "ridiculous", as you put it, is because men were not to be disgraced by that act.

*blinks* ...So God was a sexist?

And the reason they choose to be gay is because... they just do... they follow their hearts and not what everyone else tells them to.

no, that was just the way soceity was back then. men were held in higher respect than that of women.

Hence the word 'WAS'

Why call it disgusting? You don't call differences in language disgusting. How is this different? Just because someone's different from you, you shouldn't call that disgusting. If I behaved like that, I'd be calling all those who say things like that disgusting. If there's one thing I hate, it's deluded fools who think that homosexuality is wrong (among other things). Oh, and since when does religion play a role in this? Not everyone is Christian. And even if you are Christian, you are violating one of the most sacred rules of the Bible: Respect thy neighbors. I think that outrules any of the crap about marriage being between a man and a woman.

Firstly, how the HELL can u say that gay ppl CHOOSE to be the way they are!? Gay ppl have to live a life of ridicule, injustice, and discrimintaion all because they are attracted to the same sex, so if they could choose whether to be accepted by society or condemned, give me ONE good reason why they would CHOOSE to be gay

and y do u think they were attracted to the same sex? do u think God creates them to be gay? no, if that happens,meaning that God break His own rules! thats so irrational...i believe in God. the reason y they choose to be gay is out of logical thinking..they just follow their passion n heart that telling em become a gay is allright...keh!

Oh, yeah, because God DEFINATELY created everything! *sigh* Poor deluded fools... do you honestly think that if there even is a god that he wouldn't have created homosexuals? AND WHAT THE HELL DO YOU MEAN THAT GOD BREAKS HIS OWN RULES?! If there is indeed a god that you believe in, shouldn't you hold everything in nature as his doing? Saying that God breaks his own rules seems blasphemous, does it not? Who are you to decide the rules of a divine entity? (If said divine entity exists). It seems just a tad bit hypocritical, does it not?

yes, i admit i was wrong for the bible reference, and for those of u who are not christians, my argument doesnt count against u i suppose.

But if u believe in God so much, then u should believe that GOd controls the fate of everyone, shouldn't u? so therefore, not only does God create gays, but he allows them to be gay and hated by society. and saying that god breaks his own rules is blasphemy in itself, so then u must not believe in God too much.


follow the passion in their heart that says its okay to be gay? how the hell can u have a passion for something being alright when everyone uses the term gay as if it were a common curse? its obvious that homosexuals know that its ' not right' to be gay. they've probably been told it by members of their own family.

why do i think gay people are attracted to the same sex? thats just it. I dont know. Im not saying that i know exactly why homosexuals are attracted to those of the same sex. im saying its wrong to hate them because of it.

bottom line is: Homosexuals don't CHOOSE to be gay. they just ARE.

AAAH!! I'm not reading this! EVERYONE'S BEING A BASTARD!!! Can't we just get our frickin' heads out of degrading lifestyles?! Can't we learn to accept people?! Everyone needs to get over the fact that there will be aspects of people that they won't like. Idiots who don't accept homosexuality and condemn it are murdering people! So one sentence in the bible says that marriage is between a man and a woman. Crap-loads of the rest of it talks about accepting people and being kind to others! Doesn't seem like you're all respecting your neighbors.


Hmm, ever heard of love the sinner, hate the sin? That is my aspect on it, i hate what they do, the whole gay thing, but they are still people and i love them all the wame, i'm just stating that what they do is wrong and not natural. I am not saying that the people themselves are disgusting or wring, it's the acts they comit that are.

Please! Homosexuality isn't natural? What is it then? No matter what way you put it, homosexuality is a natural occurence. It's more natural than the computer you're sitting at. And who are you to decide if homosexuality is right or not? What's so bad about their 'sin'? It hasn't caused anyone harm. Seems like it has only caused themselves harm. Sounds like a sacrafice more than anything.

I agree. When homosexuals come out they sacrifice a lot. Their jobs, their home, their family and friends....being a homosexual is a sacrifice, they don't harm anyone but themselves, just like Peregrin said...

The multiple periods make you seem rather uncertain, but it's the part aobut "just because they're gay doesn't mean their kids are going to grow up gay also." that makes it seam as though you disagree with the gayness, as you had to try to point out that it's not certain that they will be gay in an attempt to strengthen your argument. You seam to have instincts that say inside that it's wrong and it came out even thoguh it was not supposed to.

Course that could just be my human studies surfacing again, as i have studied humans rather... enthusiasticly, and persued it greatly. lol, what ever, this is gettign rather futile thoough, as niether side is wavering, and we are so incredibly biased in our oppinions, that no matter how long we argue, we will never make head way.

Ha!, u think the multiple periods make me seem uncetain............hahahaha, well if u even seen any of my posts.......*cough* any of the 1,700 posts i have done (and if u havent, u must have not been here long)* U would know that i do this >>> .............(..........).......... Alot, so ur human studies crap was really way off on this one.......:p

It seems no matter how many times I give evidence in here, people forget and go right back to what they believe to be the truth, despite the direct friggen' evidence that completely proves them WRONG.

Rather than repeat myself over and over and just embarass the same people again, I'll just give one relatively new piece of evidence that proves that homosexuality is not a choice. http://www.news-medical.net/?id=9893
Oopes? Did I prove your completely ignorant view on something you aren't familiar with at all wrong? Again?

yup i happen to agree with D-A up there. ppl just happen to like the same sex.......if u dont like it ...well ur shit out of luck becuz they dont care if u aprove of there choice and nether do i........if u have a problem with gays(i hope that many gay ppl go right up to u and start makeing out right in ur face)......

Let me add that hateing Gay ppl is like Hateing Blacks and latino's in the since of raceism......(almost like the KKK 4 hateing gay ppl)And its just plain wrong 4 u to not like a person by there romantic relytionships with any sex.....(by gender or color)

Homos eh do they really have much of a social life with everyone knowing they are gay?

yes, my friend is kinda gay and everyone respects him. there is nothing wrong with gay people only that their nicer to you ;). leave them alone..why do people got to be sad and pick on them because their life sux and they got to take it out on gays.

agreed just becuz there gay doesnt mean there there outcasted ........i mean, most of the time stupid ppl like to point stare and say pritty bad things to them but they still can do anything they want........its not like theres a sign up somewhere saying that they dont surve gay ppl or anything...... u know and there are quit a few gay ppl everwhere so ......yeah they have dates a stuff..........(all to the best of my knowledge)

gay=human... can't look down to them!

yes exactly..........^^^.........a human is a human and they devered ever right that any other person gets.......

Well my the thing is you don't like it stay the hell away from them. I have no problem with it, but to tell you the truth if a gay guys started making out in front of me I would most likely leave. And as much as I would hate to admit it apart of me would find it gross as hell, BUT! I would not flip out and go GAYS ARE EVIL THEY WILL GO TO HELL!

well i think i seen 2 dudes making out i would prolly leave too........becuz i dont wont to see that but i respect them and have no problem with what there doing......(i just dont want to watch....(its not my thing)......but if 2 girls start making out u kno im 4sure watching till the stop plus im pulling out my cell phone to recored them then after i used up all my video space im take pics.......:p

Thats Right!!!!!!!!!

bi or lesbian wemon are so hot:D..........(well at lest they are to Me):D

well thats nice to know...

Please! Homosexuality isn't natural? What is it then? No matter what way you put it, homosexuality is a natural occurence. It's more natural than the computer you're sitting at. And who are you to decide if homosexuality is right or not? What's so bad about their 'sin'? It hasn't caused anyone harm. Seems like it has only caused themselves harm. Sounds like a sacrafice more than anything.

So then who are YOU to say that it's RIGHT or not? hmm? it's not natural, you can't reproduce, its' not benificial in anyway so how can it be natural?

Now why is it thatyou don't care if they cause themselves harm. I don't want them to harm themselves! how is it not harming anyone, if it harms themselves. Sacrifice, i will sarifice, but not to some thing that does no good anyways. I don't want any harm to coem to anyone, so why is it ok if they are only causing harm to them selves?

ppl cause harm to them selves all the time.......smokeing, drinking.........doing stupid stunts........ect.

yes i know, and i feel sad that they do that to, they shouldn't do it.

Well, what are you saying? The reasing they're bringing themselves harm is because people like YOU can't let them be. Once people learn to accept them, the pain will go away. It occurs. I say it's right. There are gay penguins, so why not gay humans? Are you going to kill every animal that happens to be gay? If something occurs naturally, as in through natural variation and the like, how is it unnatural? Not everything in nature is or has to be beneficial. For instance, there are several parts of your DNA that are completely worthless, but are still there. One is AluPV92, I believe...

sigh the dna thing, in the begining dna was perfect, cause god made it that way, but over the years (about 6000 of them) the dna has mutated and soem of it has becoem useless, some of it is harmful as well, and cause handicaps. In the begining there was no homosexuals. I believe in adam and eve obviously and that is what is natural to me, anything else, anything that isn't as god planned it to be, is unnatural. Because we sinned, ate the fruit of the knowlege of good and evil, everything has detieriorated. (betcha that's spelled wrong) This world that we live in, the whole thing is not natural.

Secondly why would you kill all the gay animals, they're not reproducing by the way so they are just hurting the servival of thier species (are they are often killed by the other members of the herd or pack or w/e, or rejected.) I did not EVER say to kill all the gay people, did I? so why mention killing all the gay animals, how many tiems tdo i have to mention that i aprove of thier existance, i accept the people, but NOT what they do, not thier life choices.

they r human also although they don't like girls...but it is their choice! if they wan we can't stop them.

uhhh...huh? they dont like girls? you are aware that homosexual refers to both gay men and women, right? (no offense)

lex is for woman and gay is for man...

sigh the dna thing, in the begining dna was perfect, cause god made it that way, but over the years (about 6000 of them) the dna has mutated and soem of it has becoem useless, some of it is harmful as well, and cause handicaps. In the begining there was no homosexuals. I believe in adam and eve obviously and that is what is natural to me, anything else, anything that isn't as god planned it to be, is unnatural. Because we sinned, ate the fruit of the knowlege of good and evil, everything has detieriorated. (betcha that's spelled wrong) This world that we live in, the whole thing is not natural.

Secondly why would you kill all the gay animals, they're not reproducing by the way so they are just hurting the servival of thier species (are they are often killed by the other members of the herd or pack or w/e, or rejected.) I did not EVER say to kill all the gay people, did I? so why mention killing all the gay animals, how many tiems tdo i have to mention that i aprove of thier existance, i accept the people, but NOT what they do, not thier life choices.

How many times must I tell you... Religious beliefs prove ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. "Oh, it's wrong 'cause I think God said so" is not a legitimate argument. I'm Catholic, I go to church every Sunday morning, and from all of the lessons I've learned, not ONE told me to disrespect ANYONE. Even with religion, the prosecution of homosexuals is wrong. Heck, it goes against one of the Ten Commandments. So don't go preaching your beliefs IN BLATANT CONTRADICTION OF THE MORE IMPORTANT ASPECTS OF YOUR RELIGION to everyone out there.

yah but its the same issue here. i think that when they're referring to 'gay marriage' they're referring to the homosexual part of society, not just the men. maybe im wrong, i dunno...

maybe i am wrong also...who know..?

How many times must I tell you... Religious beliefs prove ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. "Oh, it's wrong 'cause I think God said so" is not a legitimate argument. I'm Catholic, I go to church every Sunday morning, and from all of the lessons I've learned, not ONE told me to disrespect ANYONE. Even with religion, the prosecution of homosexuals is wrong. Heck, it goes against one of the Ten Commandments. So don't go preaching your beliefs IN BLATANT CONTRADICTION OF THE MORE IMPORTANT ASPECTS OF YOUR RELIGION to everyone out there.


If science form someones axioms, it's legitimate, so why can't the thing that forms my axioms be legitimate? a scientist or a court says it's wrong so i thiink it is, is just as good as my god says it's wrong so i think it is. Which ten comandment does it go against, love your neighbor, but i don't think that's actually one of the comandments... did you knw that in the bible it actualyl says, you shall not participate in homosexual actions? bethcha didn't, since the catholic religion selects thier bible passages very carefully.

It's not contradiction, most people assume that the old testament and the new contradict each other, but that's caus ethye don't realize that the NEW testament RULES OUT The OLD testament. I amd not going agianst twhat the bible says. It is not contradiction.
(Exodus 20)
1 no other gods, only me
2 no graven images, or idles
3no using the lords name in vain (don't say oh my god)
4 remember the sabath day to keep it holy (rest on sunday, or what ever day is your sabath)
5 honor your father and mother.
6. No murder
7 No adultery
8no stealing
9 no lies against thy nieghbor
and 10, no lusting after thy neighbors house, or anythign that belongs to him.

so what were you saying? hmm... just a second i'm looking up the verse about homosexuals, just give me a minute.

well 1st corinthians 5:9 says not to assosiat with sexually immoral people...1st corinthians 6: 9-10 says that homosexualls will not inherit the kingdonm of god...

I found it!! leviticus 18:22, do not lie with a man as one does with a woman for theat is detestable. That's the "NIV" version
For those who have trouble with understanding that i'll use a different version... Do not have sex with a man ans one does with a woman that is abhorrent. "The message" version.

My axioms are just as good as anyone elses, it all comes downt o the basis of our beliefs. If you are catholic and do say that homosexuallity is ok, you shame your belief.

All of leviticus 18 speaks on the many sex sins, it lists them. try reading it. it's the third book in the bible.
And how many times did i tell you that i love the peoel just not what they're doing.

dang, i can't believe i'm gonna leave for a month when this is just getting good.. sigh...

and god allowes this...

god has very little to do with any of the homo's choice to become openlly gay!........it about themself

Yes, well, I do remember saying that religion isn't a legitimate argument in the first place. Oh, and I don't care what the bible says. Also, the way you put it just says that you shouldn't do it yourself. Does it say to prosecute those who do? What about the people who don't believe in God? You don't prosecute them, right? Screw religion, it's basic dignity that should prevent this from being in issue. If humans are so special in your eyes, why are we like this? I say we're special - we're the dumbest creatures on Earth.

well were not the dumest but we get ur point pere

yup god allow them to being a gay... i am venus=the god of love, so i will allow them to find their lover include boys or girls... but the question is they wan to be gay or not... it is depent on someone...

yeah!,........ok i got a confestion to make..............(dum dum dum)...........i .......am............(sike)........:D

dahahahaha Im straight 100% straight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ok,...........me too!.......so what?.......i happen to know gay ppl.......(men) and (wemon).....but none of the girls that i know havent did any thing in front of me...........awww im so sad now.........:D

lmao...

I HAVE A CONFESSION TO MAKE TO!

! AMMMM.......... SO MUCH COOLER THAN ALL OF YOU! Hey what were you expecting!

lmao........

that was quite lame XD how is it to have lesbian friends?is it different?just wanna know^^

i dont have any lesbian friends but i have some bi friends and there act just the same .........but its kinna funny when they be talking about getting girl better the any guys.....and some times they get detail-ish and start makeing jokes and shit....it really cool if ur friends are outgoing

It's actually a really cool feeling to have lesbian friends. Or just friends who are open to that sort of thing. My friend Sarah was a lebian, and she was very open about her sexuality....she even went around smacking other girls' asses...(kinda a weird feeling for me tho....XD)

So then who are YOU to say that it's RIGHT or not? hmm? it's not natural, you can't reproduce, its' not benificial in anyway so how can it be natural?

Depends what you define natural as. It occurs NATURALLY in all forms of animals... And no, not just in a lustful "gotta have sex" way either. Ethologists and other biology officionados believe that homosexuality may be one of NATURE'S way of population control.

Now why is it thatyou don't care if they cause themselves harm. I don't want them to harm themselves! how is it not harming anyone, if it harms themselves. Sacrifice, i will sarifice, but not to some thing that does no good anyways. I don't want any harm to coem to anyone, so why is it ok if they are only causing harm to them selves?

How are they harming themselves by being gay? They can still create offspring should they so choose.

sigh the dna thing, in the begining dna was perfect, cause god made it that way, but over the years (about 6000 of them) the dna has mutated and soem of it has becoem useless, some of it is harmful as well, and cause handicaps. In the begining there was no homosexuals. I believe in adam and eve obviously and that is what is natural to me, anything else, anything that isn't as god planned it to be, is unnatural. Because we sinned, ate the fruit of the knowlege of good and evil, everything has detieriorated. (betcha that's spelled wrong) This world that we live in, the whole thing is not natural.

That was the single most ignorant thing you have ever said anywhere on these forums. DNA is never EVER perfect. It can't be. Perfection, even through a religious eye, cannot be attained. Why? Because there will always be imperfections in people's bodies. You might not realize it, but they're there. For example, I don't have upper wisdom teeth. Oh nos! I'm not perfect! Oh nos! I can't grow thick facial hair because of my Welsh heritage! Big fuckin' deal.

Imperfections that matter are such things as lysomey (sp?) 13. Down syndrom. They effect your life, no matter what the case.

You also realize that you just argued FOR gay rights by saying that homosexuality is genetic, right? Didn't you, a while back in this thread, say otherwise?

And I love the fact that you think trillions of people can exist because of just two people. Brilliant there, hm? To quote my great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather: "Ohh ooh! Ahhhyeee! Ah! Ah!" That's monkey for "My you're blind to facts!"

did you knw that in the bible it actualyl says, you shall not participate in homosexual actions? bethcha didn't, since the catholic religion selects thier bible passages very carefully.

Did you know that it is considered to be a MINOR sin comparitively to the other do's and don't's in the Bible? Did you know it's a much bigger sin to not treat your neighbor with respect than to be gay? Did you know that not celebrating the Sabbath is enough to condem you, but being gay is not? I guess you must have known all this, seeing as how you've never once studied your own religion.

Did you know that HIVs and AIDs is more comon in homosextuals population then in the straight population. So it could be pretty harmful

Did you know that HIVs and AIDs is more comon in homosextuals population then in the straight population. So it could be pretty harmful

OMG......if someone didnt kno that there so lost........

And actualy Tabris goes to a school that Teaches her religon. Every thing condems you untill you acept the one thing that can save you. I bet you know what I'm talking about.

And actualy Tabris goes to a school that Teaches her religon. Every thing condems you untill you acept the one thing that can save you. I bet you know what I'm talking about.

i didnt kno tabris was a girl and..im not sure what u mean?

oh sorry that was directed at DarkAztecs last coment. And I don't realy think it matters if you know that she's a girl.

prolly not, and when u do stuff like that u should either qoute one of his posts or just -do this- @DarkAztec. right b4 u write........so we kno

Is Tarbis hot?....:D

ya sorry wasn't thinking

Tabris she's looks just like me so ya
It's not just a name She is actually my identical twin.
I should have just added this to the last one.

yeah u should have but it really doesnt matter........and ok....twins :D

Depends what you define natural as. It occurs NATURALLY in all forms of animals... And no, not just in a lustful "gotta have sex" way either. Ethologists and other biology officionados believe that homosexuality may be one of NATURE'S way of population control.



How are they harming themselves by being gay? They can still create offspring should they so choose.



That was the single most ignorant thing you have ever said anywhere on these forums. DNA is never EVER perfect. It can't be. Perfection, even through a religious eye, cannot be attained. Why? Because there will always be imperfections in people's bodies. You might not realize it, but they're there. For example, I don't have upper wisdom teeth. Oh nos! I'm not perfect! Oh nos! I can't grow thick facial hair because of my Welsh heritage! Big fuckin' deal.

Imperfections that matter are such things as lysomey (sp?) 13. Down syndrom. They effect your life, no matter what the case.

You also realize that you just argued FOR gay rights by saying that homosexuality is genetic, right? Didn't you, a while back in this thread, say otherwise?

And I love the fact that you think trillions of people can exist because of just two people. Brilliant there, hm? To quote my great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather: "Ohh ooh! Ahhhyeee! Ah! Ah!" That's monkey for "My you're blind to facts!"



Did you know that it is considered to be a MINOR sin comparitively to the other do's and don't's in the Bible? Did you know it's a much bigger sin to not treat your neighbor with respect than to be gay? Did you know that not celebrating the Sabbath is enough to condem you, but being gay is not? I guess you must have known all this, seeing as how you've never once studied your own religion.

So if DNA is never, EVER effected i guess ecvolution didn't happen, you have run into a wall, luv'. you're begining to conflict what you said.

ok so evolution started withan orgy then, or did the single celled organism mate with another one when it became the first 2 humans? hmm, even evolution says 2 people.

Did you know that god forgives you? for ANYTHING. and did you also know that he measures every sin equally, it's like being gay is the same amount of bad as beign hitler? did you know that he forgives them both if they say they're sorry.Nothing is so big to condem you as they are all measured equally and he will forgive anysin you can ever think up.

I never said it was genetic, i'm sertain i did not, as teh other day i argued with my grandmother that it wasn't. What i said was... let me check.. be wright back... *opens another window* Nope not there. I see what you were looking at, and i was talking about, the fact taht in evolution dna is supposed to be added, and we are supposed to be gettign better and better but the fact is we've deteriorated, it really has nothign to do with people being gay, i think it's all in thier heads, they believe it cause they want to. the genetic thing is about more kind of... viruses... i dunno, i knew then but not now. i'm thinkin, it was for a different debate... got mixed up... let me look at it again.

oh wait i was explaining why there are useless parts of DNA, or there seems to be... it had to.

I'm at bible camp thoguh right now, and i've been on forever already, so i must depart, till next weekend, when my friend wil let me use thier computer to conect to the out side world. I'l check up and explain anythign that confused you. bye.

Did you know that HIVs and AIDs is more comon in homosextuals population then in the straight population. So it could be pretty harmful

Why am I not suprised something this foolish came out of the twin of Tabris? Being gay doesn't = AIDs. Yes, they have the highest number of reported cases of HIV, but guess what? It's only through not using protection. Being gay doesn't increase the risk. Not using protection increases the risk. You have just as good of a chance of getting AIDs as anyone else.

So if DNA is never, EVER effected i guess ecvolution didn't happen, you have run into a wall, luv'. you're begining to conflict what you said.

ok so evolution started withan orgy then, or did the single celled organism mate with another one when it became the first 2 humans? hmm, even evolution says 2 people.

Good job putting words into my mouth. Find where I said that DNA doesn't change. I said it was never PERFECT nor can it be. That only SUPPORTS evolution. But way to completely misinterpret what I said. You get a gold star.

Evolution occurs because of imperfections. Take the horse for an example... It started off small and do to one little strange twist of fate, it grew about 5 inches bigger. This bigger form of a horse had a huge advantage over the smaller ones because it could run faster and blah, blah, blah. When it mated, its offspring were big too. Through millions of years of competition and more little growth spurts, it became what it is today. Oh nos!

Did you know that god forgives you? for ANYTHING. and did you also know that he measures every sin equally, it's like being gay is the same amount of bad as beign hitler? did you know that he forgives them both if they say they're sorry.Nothing is so big to condem you as they are all measured equally and he will forgive anysin you can ever think up.

So if I go out and murder 12 pregnant women after raping them... Killing their babies that they had... And then go off and boink a few men as well... So long as I say I turn to Christ and believe in him, I'm going to Heaven. Well what do you know, that's complete malarky. I think I'll go off an do that right now, hmm?

And who says every sin is equal? Certainly not in the Catholic Church's point of view. Hence why when we confess our sins and everything, depending upon the severity of our sins, we are required to do certain prayers a certain number of times. If you actually bother to research Catholicism, you would see that sins are not judged to be equal. But hey, whaddyah know? We're completely off topic because you decided that Christianity should play a part in gay rights in the United States!

I never said it was genetic, i'm sertain i did not, as teh other day i argued with my grandmother that it wasn't. What i said was... let me check.. be wright back... *opens another window* Nope not there. I see what you were looking at, and i was talking about, the fact taht in evolution dna is supposed to be added, and we are supposed to be gettign better and better but the fact is we've deteriorated, it really has nothign to do with people being gay, i think it's all in thier heads, they believe it cause they want to. the genetic thing is about more kind of... viruses... i dunno, i knew then but not now. i'm thinkin, it was for a different debate... got mixed up... let me look at it again.

You know what? You're right! My bad for thinking that you said it was genetic. When I reread that paragraph, you clearly are stating that because of Adam and Eve, we have homosexuals. Hmm... Wow. That's even more ignorant than what I thought you said.



The fact of the matter is, Tabris... No matter how often you preach about what the Bible says about gay people, you can't use that to condem them in the United States. You cannot make laws saying they have no right to get married based off of what you read in your Bible. The United States, believe it or not, is secular. We even declared it in the Treaty of Tripoli. There is not a single good reason that exists that is against gay marriage that does not have to do with religion.

Exactly. Your beliefs do not give you the authority to do anything other than, well, keep them. Also, by putting others below you, you are commiting the deadly sin of Hubris, which is bad in almost every religion. In short, The logic behind your arguments is almost nonexistent.

one of the many reasons that Gay Marriage is frowned upon is because 1. back in the past Gays were in the closet they lived normal lives got married had kids and had sexual secret meetings with other gays. 2. Inheritance < im not sure completely about this and what it means but it was one of the reasons why there wasnt gay marriages. Today Gays are out and about, i have nothing against gays lesibians or anything in between. but i haf summer school so i hafta goto neighborhood in manhattan i have never seen so many gay ads about being gay. I.E 2 guys nekkid and surrounded by the american flag. <like a blanket> now i understand ur <speaking to no one in particular> gay but why haf neon lights flashing <metaphorical> saying "im gay?" on the idea of adoption Pro: instead if getting new kids they get orphans, abandoned kid etc. whih is helpful considering theres to many ppl on earth and they make those kids feel loved Con: there lifestlye affects the way the kids grow-up im not saying if ur raised by gays ur gay, but it also affects the social life of the kids making them hard to grow up in a friendly enviroment with all the teasing and such which makes the kids resent their parents <so theres my thoughts and opinions> id like a rebutle^^ <alittle nervous cause this subject is taboo>

you have a really good point there, and it is true that children raised in a homosexual family have a hard time with their social life because of it, and yes, having a billboard like that may be offensive to some people, but straight people do the same thing. If homosexuals were to be given the same rights, then shouldn't they be able to do the same? shouldn't they be able to be " out and proud"?

but straight people do the same thing.

they can be out but why do they have to be proud? why arent there straight signs out? hey im a straight lets have parade. as you can see in the world of poltical correctness wheres everything is equal no one is. just like theres a black history month and womans history month theres no white history month chinese history month. all fair in love and war but not in politics

as for straight people doing the same thing i could use a few examples, but i don't think there sexually suggestive ideas in straight adds about being straight <i dont even think there is any adds about being straight>

ummm....almost everything you see anywhere is about being straight, and that wasn't what I meant. and I believe that homosexuals should be proud of who they are, not feeling like they're a peice of shit for it. and the main reason they even have those parades is because being gay is not usually acceted into soceity and its a way for them to be with others like them, in familiar territory, i guess, and not feel like the world is after them, to where they can do the things they want to do, like maybe checking someone out without being condemned for it.

thats one of the reasons we have gay clubs.

they even have those parades is because being gay is not usually acceted into soceity and its a way for them to be with others like them

thats where u disagree gays are more excepted now than they were in the past, yes there are still homophobes and gay bashers but there will always be IE rascists no one is ever fully accepted.

to where they can do the things they want to do, like maybe checking someone out without being condemned for it.

whose being condemed? gay people these days are like what i said above are more excepted then ever.

ummm....almost everything you see anywhere is about being straight

well of course being straight is accepted fully but you have to think about it for a second "since most of the people who are on earth are staight that advertising will be based on more on heterosexuals than Homosexuals

yes true, homosexuality is more accepted these days, but, though I'm not making any assumptions, most major religions condemn gays to hell, and soceity condemns gays to a life of ridicule, especially those who are still young. my aunt leslie and my aunt linda are a lesbian couple, and my own father told me that the ONLY reason he doesn't push her completely away is because she is his sister. and to me, that is being condemned. granted, not all are like that, but a lot of families are like that towards gay relatives, i know because i have about fifteen gay friends who tell me the same.

Ok, I didn't read every single posts here, but I just give my opinion here.

I don't really care if Gay marriage is being legalize or not...but I prefer the traditional male+female.

But there is one thing that I'm 100% against. Those homosexual couple MUST NOT have children(adopted). This is really unfair for the child. What do you think the child will think? his mother and father are both man or both women. It will psychologically affected the child....very very bad.

If they legalize the adoption of homosexual. I can say that the end of the world may be near....

And actualy Tabris goes to a school that Teaches her religon. Every thing condems you untill you acept the one thing that can save you. I bet you know what I'm talking about.

Amanda Shut the fuck up!!! stop trying to defend me and ruin everythign i have set up here, you always screw around with stuff i'm involved in, just STOP!!!

Hi, i knkow i'm not suposed to double post, but i am going to anyways... lets see...
@ sugoi
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As to lying with another man as with a woman ... It is likely that the prohibition thou shall not lie with a male as with a woman came about for one of the following reasons:
> Only sexual acts which could lead to procreation were valued as the tribes needed to grow in numbers in order to survive.
> Male homosexual sex may have been connected in the Hebrew mind with idolatry. Notice that Lev. 18:2 deals with idolatry. In fact many of the prohibitions in the Holiness Code were probably connected with idolatrous practices, see 19:26-29.
> Women were second class citizens in the Hebrew culture and were generally treated as property. If a man was penetrated in sexual intercourse he was being treated like a woman and so was degraded in the Hebrew mind. The offense was not that this was a homosexual act, the offense was that a MAN was treated like a WOMAN. If this line of thinking is correct it would serve to explain . Women could not be degraded by such an act as they were already not held in high esteem. there is a theory that the Hebrew people believed in a perfect order of creation and anything that violated that order was considered unclean or an abomination. A probable example would be that fish were considered the perfect sea animal, hence anything in the sea that did not have scales and fins was unclean. (Lev. 11:9-10)
Cattle were the perfect cud chewing animal, hence anything that chewed cud, but didn't have hooves was unclean. (Lev. 11:6). If this theory is correct then the prohibition against male sex acts would be violating the role of the perfect ideal human: man. It would seem to mix the sex role of the imperfect woman with the ideal role of the man...

This was an excerpt from a debate about this same subject over at Gaia between college professors. It deals with the fact that the Christian bible may be contradicting itself. If you read, it says that it wasn't the fact that homosexuality was wrong, it was the fact that men were treated as 'lower beings', as women. While women were not high on the respect scale anyway, it seems that nhomosexuality was okay so long as it was lesbianism and not homosexual men, which makes no sense to me, but then again, it states that any form of sexual intercourse used not for the role of reproduction was wrong too..."

leviticus 19:26-29 eating meat with the blood still in it is raw meat, and back then they would have gotten sick and died. (verse 26) verse 27 refers to the fact that they did not cut thier hair. they did that to let other people know that they were gods people. It was s symbol to others that they were hebrews. verse 28, the cutting of the bodies for the dead was a way of morning for them, and god didn't want them to harm themselves for soem thing that they could not change. People also thoguht their blood could be used to bring the dead back to life,a nd that would not work, so they would still be harming themselves,a nd he didn't want that. verse 29 is pretty explanitory, don't encourage prostitution, it's wrong, as it is premarital sex.

the split hoof and cud chewers, right. it's mainly saying don't eat pork, as i have discovered. Pork is full of bacteria, the bad ones, and worms. It was said to prevent disease and bad health. Sea creature that are not fish are like shrimp and clams and stuff, the bottom dwellers. They eat the crap of other animals, and are unhealthy to eat. He (god) set those boundries in an attempt to keep his people as healthy as possible. Later he sent a vision sayign thst he abbolished those rules. (right around the time medicine and health research was being developed) The food is still unhealthy, we just have the stuff to deal with it now, if we must.

It's nice to know that it's still ok to insult women. The verse specifies not to have sexual intercourse with a man as with a woman, so they would understand what kind of intercourse He ment.

ok next.... @ dork aztec
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"Did you know that HIVs and AIDs is more comon in homosextuals population then in the straight population. So it could be pretty harmful

Why am I not suprised something this foolish came out of the twin of Tabris? Being gay doesn't = AIDs. Yes, they have the highest number of reported cases of HIV, but guess what? It's only through not using protection. Being gay doesn't increase the risk. Not using protection increases the risk. You have just as good of a chance of getting AIDs as anyone else."

Thank you for insulting me again instead of adrressing the point. You are correct, except that, there are holes in condoms, not big enouph for a sperm to get through, but big enough for the aids virus to fit through. Brith control stops you from concieving, not form getting aids. Perhaps when comiting acts of homosexual sex they do not bother to have "protection" as they know that they can't reproduce through it.
By the way, i am much less suseptable to aids, as it's sextually transmitted, and i do not partake in pre marital sex. Perhaps if every one waited till after getting married and stayed loyal, it wouldn't spread like wild fire.

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So if DNA is never, EVER effected i guess ecvolution didn't happen, you have run into a wall, luv'. you're begining to conflict what you said.
ok so evolution started withan orgy then, or did the single celled organism mate with another one when it became the first 2 humans? hmm, even evolution says 2 people.

Good job putting words into my mouth. Find where I said that DNA doesn't change. I said it was never PERFECT nor can it be. That only SUPPORTS evolution. But way to completely misinterpret what I said. You get a gold star.

Evolution occurs because of imperfections. Take the horse for an example... It started off small and do to one little strange twist of fate, it grew about 5 inches bigger. This bigger form of a horse had a huge advantage over the smaller ones because it could run faster and blah, blah, blah. When it mated, its offspring were big too. Through millions of years of competition and more little growth spurts, it became what it is today. Oh nos!"

I did not say you said that dna was perfect, or never altered, that is what i said, that is waht i believe, obviously not what you said. so it's through defects.... i see, so every one's a mutant,a dn a defect... no not an insult... just thinking about it right now... i just want to know where the first horse came from... oh ya, and where is your proof that it started with a small horse, and why are there still tiny horses?
Dna can not become perfect once again, it has been to mangled, it was perfect in the begining, but sin occured, and many things changed because of that.

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Did you know that god forgives you? for ANYTHING. and did you also know that he measures every sin equally, it's like being gay is the same amount of bad as beign hitler? did you know that he forgives them both if they say they're sorry.Nothing is so big to condem you as they are all measured equally and he will forgive anysin you can ever think up.


So if I go out and murder 12 pregnant women after raping them... Killing their babies that they had... And then go off and boink a few men as well... So long as I say I turn to Christ and believe in him, I'm going to Heaven. Well what do you know, that's complete malarky. I think I'll go off an do that right now, hmm?

And who says every sin is equal? Certainly not in the Catholic Church's point of view. Hence why when we confess our sins and everything, depending upon the severity of our sins, we are required to do certain prayers a certain number of times. If you actually bother to research Catholicism, you would see that sins are not judged to be equal. But hey, whaddyah know? We're completely off topic because you decided that Christianity should play a part in gay rights in the United States!"


well if you do go out and do that,a nd you do truely apollogize for it, adn accept the forgiveness he has offered you then yes, he will forgive you ,adn you will live for eternity in heaven, why is that so hard to grasp.
If you bloody well studied MY religion you would realize that we don't believe in bloody pergatory and praying to mary and good works compensating for bad ones!!! we believe in god!! And we believe that jesus dieing on the cross is forgiveness for all. Try to realize taht i am NOT catholic please, because it seams as though you think i am.


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I never said it was genetic, i'm sertain i did not, as teh other day i argued with my grandmother that it wasn't. What i said was... let me check.. be wright back... *opens another window* Nope not there. I see what you were looking at, and i was talking about, the fact taht in evolution dna is supposed to be added, and we are supposed to be gettign better and better but the fact is we've deteriorated, it really has nothign to do with people being gay, i think it's all in thier heads, they believe it cause they want to. the genetic thing is about more kind of... viruses... i dunno, i knew then but not now. i'm thinkin, it was for a different debate... got mixed up... let me look at it again.



You know what? You're right! My bad for thinking that you said it was genetic. When I reread that paragraph, you clearly are stating that because of Adam and Eve, we have homosexuals. Hmm... Wow. That's even more ignorant than what I thought you said.



The fact of the matter is, Tabris... No matter how often you preach about what the Bible says about gay people, you can't use that to condem them in the United States. You cannot make laws saying they have no right to get married based off of what you read in your Bible. The United States, believe it or not, is secular. We even declared it in the Treaty of Tripoli. There is not a single good reason that exists that is against gay marriage that does not have to do with religion."

Now that you're done insulting me instead of adressing my point, i will mention that i am proudly canadian!
How about just the fact that it's unhealthy. and just because my axioms are christian does not mean that you can insult me constantly and look down on my oppinion, it does not mean that i am stupid, or i think i am perfect, i know that i have "sinned" a lot of which i now regret, actualy. So i am not really fighting for no gay mairages in the usa, as i have realized taht in the begining they started heading down a road that could most probably not be helped. i would like to stop it from happening in manitoba and canada though, as in our country we care about the minority and religion and peoples beliefs and try to take every one into consideration. Out government is a little different then yours. I am not attemptign to condem any one i am trying to convince people that gay mairrages are wrong. My mission is to affect teh public one person at a time, or multiple ones if i can, but the only way to get to people is really on a one on one basis. if i can affect enough people around me i can waver the vote, and if every oen i change the mind of changes soem one elses mind, then it'll spread. I have a purpose, even if you just liek to insult people and argue, i like to try to make a differrence.

very true...very true

meh i dont see anything wrong with gay marriage what so ever. If people want to marry however and live their life as however then let them....its not blocking other peoples life is it?

But because of this intimidation and all that bull that "oh your gay, so stay away from me" shit.....most gays, homos and all are afraid of admitting what they truly are. I mean we cant raise our hands up and say "Im gay" without some dumb ass people saying get off my turf or "go to hell".........man life does suck -.-

yes, yes it does.
@tabris

It's nice to know that it's still ok to insult women. The verse specifies not to have sexual intercourse with a man as with a woman, so they would understand what kind of intercourse He ment.

was that sarcasm? i never said it was okay to insult women. i said that the main reason homosexuality was wrong back then was because it defiled men to being treated like women, who were held in lower respect. Men were "superior" over women, and being degraded to the stature of that of a woman was considered heinous.

hmmm.... i think i explained that verse, it was just to explain what kind of intercourse he was talking about, if you do so recal, or care to read, yes it was sarcasm, i'm like that.

Tabris, you a christian? What religion are you?

Yes i am a christian, i.. well... my church used to be baptist, but then we dropped that word, as we found people thought that we were like southern baptists, you know dancing in the isles and such, which we don't. I'm a memeber of new life church, which i enjoy attending, because i have found that the pastors there, never twist the bible, and always look at the verses, AND the context they are in, to get at what the verse is really talking about. I do not believe in purgatory,a nd such, i am not a catholic, as some seem to think. What about you toshi?

Yes i am a christian, i.. well... my church used to be baptist, but then we dropped that word, as we found people thought that we were like southern baptists, you know dancing in the isles and such, which we don't. I'm a memeber of new life church, which i enjoy attending, because i have found that the pastors there, never twist the bible, and always look at the verses, AND the context they are in, to get at what the verse is really talking about. I do not believe in purgatory,a nd such, i am not a catholic, as some seem to think. What about you toshi?
That's awesome. I know that on forums, especially a Naruto forum, people don't talk too much about religion. I'm a christian too, and I don't label myself with baptist, or protestant, and all those. I currently go to two different churches, one's my moms, and the other is for both me and my brother. I go to New Hope, and my mom goes to a Chinese church. I enjoy going to church, as well as my school's chapel, because I can party out, sing, dance and whatever during praise and worship! :D

okay, good for you

i said that the main reason homosexuality was wrong back then was because it defiled men to being treated like women, who were held in lower respect. Men were "superior" over women, and being degraded to the stature of that of a woman was considered heinous.
Also they needed more babies. The death rate was pretty high.

very true, they wouldn't survive other wise

Well, that probably wasn't as big a factor as what Sugoi brought up. The death rate was high during the plague and other such times, but I think people had other things to worry about at that time. I think that things that were different were generally condemned, such as difference in skin color, etc.

Im scared of fags

That doesn't entitle you to put them down. I don't think less of spiders just because I fear them.

right peregin u should not think they are lower than you cause of that

i agree, don't call them fags. they are humans just as much as anyone else is. don't insult then....
hey you're aracniphobic to? i'm also insectiphobic.... and fridgiphobic. (that means i fear/hate beign cold)

i thought that meant you were scared of places to keep your beer cold?

lol i luv da cold everytime i get so hot i would open the freezer and keep my head in there. plus i would dance in da cold lol sometimes

hmmm. i always thoguht of fags as cigarets

i agree with Peregrin. just because youre scared of something doesnt mean its beneath you.

:D my mom and sister are insectiphobic...rofl, and i luv teh cold...

on the other hand, however...

Ok, I didn't read every single posts here, but I just give my opinion here.

I don't really care if Gay marriage is being legalize or not...but I prefer the traditional male+female.

But there is one thing that I'm 100% against. Those homosexual couple MUST NOT have children(adopted). This is really unfair for the child. What do you think the child will think? his mother and father are both man or both women. It will psychologically affected the child....very very bad.

If they legalize the adoption of homosexual. I can say that the end of the world may be near....

you think that just because homosexuals adopt, that the world will end? first o all, it seems the world is ending anyway. secondly, adopting kids into homosexual families is not going to end the world. http://forums.narutofan.com/images/smilies/notrust.gif

even if homosexuals are to adopt children, heterosexuals are still around, and thus, new children can be born and civilization continues. i believe i heard somewhere that 2/5 ppl are homosexual, but it was just a guess. 2/5, will NOT destroythe world.

Seriously. I'd rather be adopted by homosexuals then by, say, a republican. Besides, it's not like the homosexual couple WANTS there kid to be like them. Just this morning I was listening to the account of such a couple on the radio and how they were trying to make sure that their kid DIDN'T turn out homosexual. Oh, and it's good if the 2/5 figure is true, because there are WAY too many people in the world. Oh, and frankly, the people destroying the world are those pricks that say that abortion, homosexuality, and all things liberal are evil. coughbushcough.

yes, i agree completely. Bush is a complete ass for banning gay marriage. i remember seing a story on the news about Rosie O ' Donnel and her wife having their marrage license revoked. They, themselves, had, I believ, three or four children, and I dont think any homosexual parent would want their child to be homosexual, just because of the shit you have to go through as one.

Bush sucks! As long as they arent harming me I dont care. I heard raw gay sex creates HIV and that is why Gays cant donate blood?

I'm pretty sure that that's a rumor. It doesn't make sense. Sure, if one of the people has HIV in the first place it will spread, but it won't be created spontaneously.

thats only a rumor. ne of tehm has to have HIV in the first place for it to be spread.

duh, even i knew that

NO! NO! NO! No gay marriages, that is contradictory to the defination. There are civil unions, go there!

BTW HOW THE FUCK CAN GAY PARENTS BE LIKE: We're not normal, you are not suppose to like other people of ur same gender, to a child.

O.o' Someone's a teeeensy bit high strung... Oh, and it's quite possible for gay parents to say that. Besides, I still have heard no SOLID CONCRETE LOGICAL reason as to why gay marriages should be banned.

i hate gays.... they scare me... but gays with babies.. thats a whole nother story....

o.O...KageSenin....does that mean I scare you? Cuz in case you didnt know, I'ma lesbian...

Really?! That's... perfectly ok! If anything, it improves my opinion of you, Sugoi (not that my opinion of you needed improving). I really don't understand why people are afraid of homosexuals. I admit that I would get paranoid around a homosexual guy because I myself am not, but I don't hold grudges from it. It's ridiculous. It's EXACTLY the same as ethnic descrimination. Think about it: You're born that way, you can't change it through any non-drastic ways, and you have no choice but to live the way you are. Still waiting for that concrete reason people.

yah lol. i am. >_> some people know, some dont. mostly people i talked to thru IMknow about it and all. lol...

quite franctly, there's no good reason to be scared of homosexuals, unlease you go all psychological and then i would say :people how are scared of homosexuals are just unsure of there own sexuality and are aren't really scared of them, just of any possible changes in there own "manner of life", if you mind youre own life and leave theres alone you could accualy live without having to be scared.

but that's just one theory (a good one) but a theory none the less ( that's been kinda proven in certain cases).....

uuhhh... right anyways I dont mind so why should others.

thats a very good theory indeed, Akatsuki Shinobi.