The Kage Bunshin no Jutsu was supposed to be different from the Bunshin no Jutsu because it created an exact replica of the user, right? And thus it could attack, unlike the Bunshin that was basically an illusion to trick the opponent. However, they say that the Kage Bunshin will disappear when hit. So my question is, why is it that there are some instances that the Kage Bunshin lingered for a few moments, minutes even, after being hit? So what're the "special conditions" (if there is such) that allows your Kage Bunshin to stay on for a few minutes after being hit?

Personally, I think that because there is chakra in them in a different way, i.e. creating a body, and not an image, then this chakra can be controlled to keep the body there for a short period of time after its been hit. But even though, I think this must take a lot of determination.

I think it all depends on chakra. You first use a certain amount of chakra to create the bunshin and then you can just leave it, so if it gets hit then, it'll just disperse into white smoke. But I think that if you add more chakra to it after its it, you can hold it for a bit longer. Like Naruto did when he got hit by Neji.

well....that explain it....but what about kage bushin being a kinjutsu....kinjutsu is a forbidden jutsu which would harm the user not mentioning the enemy you are using onto....almost all kinjutsu used in the naruto world have a side effect which is dangerous....i don't see any side effect on naruto after using kage bushin...why was the shinobis of konoha was afraid the kinjutsu scroll was stolen then?

Thanks, [Daisuke] and nma for your theories. That would explain it. I was thinking about this because it hit me when I saw the Sandaime fighting Orochimaru, and his kage bunshins didnt disappear immediately after they sealed the Shodaime and Nidaime's souls. Which I thought was kinda weird, I mean, after sealing, logically they should have disappeared because of the impact of those seals (or something). Hope you get what I mean.

Good question, ondu. I'm stumped. I know the main reason the shinobis were afraid when the scroll was stolen was because it contained many high-level and powerful jutsus. So if it fell into the wrong hands, it could create much havoc in their world. And yeah I remember that Naruto learned the Kage bunshin technique from that scroll so that would mean it was a forbidden technique? Yet why do we see many Jounin characters in Naruto also using that technique?

P.S. I guess you could take the loss of chakra after creating Kage Bunshin as its side-effect. Because when u use Kage Bunshin, the amount of chakra in you is divided equally into ur bunshins. So maybe for someone not like Naruto, (who has a monstrous chakra in him), and someone who's not that adept at controlling his chakra, it would be dangerous.

i think depends on the chakra concentrated on the body or mabye it has a certain amount of hit points er somthin like that

i don't see any side effect on naruto after using kage bushin...why was the shinobis of konoha was afraid the kinjutsu scroll was stolen then?


I think the side effect is losing a bunch of chakra, but naruto has alot of stamina so it does'nt have a huge negative effect on him

Well, I dont think it's a harm to use up alot of chakra, after all, you are the one who is using it. So there must be another reason, why it is forbidden, I mean, you aren't harming anyone by using up your chakra to make a replication now are you?

I thought that the Kinjustsu were just techniques that were really powerful, and in that case Kage Bunshin would fit appropriatly with them.

no kinjutsu (you can look this up on NC) is a forbidden jutsu
I.E. oros immortaliy jutsu

I mean if you use up alot of chakra espicially on a technique that is not intended to be a finisher, your setting yourself up to get beat down afterwards....the exeption to this would be naruto who has enough stamina to use the technique alot, it is alwo one of his most frequently use ones as well

aruko i know it is a forbidden technique but I thought they were considered forbidden because they were so strong, I don't think that they all have side effects though.

I agree, I believe its the amount of chakra used to maintain the replica.

Sometimes you people need to read previos posts before you say something...
I think that that jutsu exhausts your body that can lead you to death. And maybe only few people can use it. I mean i havent seen Sasuke, Lee, Neji or any others try to learn it.

Good question, ondu. I'm stumped. I know the main reason the shinobis were afraid when the scroll was stolen was because it contained many high-level and powerful jutsus. So if it fell into the wrong hands, it could create much havoc in their world. And yeah I remember that Naruto learned the Kage bunshin technique from that scroll so that would mean it was a forbidden technique? Yet why do we see many Jounin characters in Naruto also using that technique?
What do you mean a lot of jounin? We've only seen 6 people do it. Now compare that to the thousands of ninjas in Konoha, and outside it, and you'll see that thats actually a very small number.

Now about why its a kinjutsu, I think that a jutsu is forbidden if it causes harm to the user, or if it has tremendous power. With the Kage Bunshin you can create actual clones of yourself that can do anything that you can normally do. I think that it was forbidden so as to keep it away from people who would abuse this power.

Sometimes you people need to read previos posts before you say something...
I think that that jutsu exhausts your body that can lead you to death. And maybe only few people can use it. I mean i havent seen Sasuke, Lee, Neji or any others try to learn it.

Just reminding you, but Lee can't mold his chakra properly, so he can't perform ninjutsu or genjutsu.

Anyways, I actually don't have a clue on this topic. But this technique holds great power, even if you don't use it in a strategic way. But referring to what hotohori said earlier, about the chakra being equally divided among the shadow clones, wouldn't that mean that when Naruto does his mass kage bunshin no jutsu, he only weakens himself? He doesn't use Kyuubi's chakra for kage bunshin no jutsu, remember that.

It's the same story with Goku and Tenshinhan in their last fight at the end of DB. Tenshinhan split into four and thought he could beat Goku that way. Yet Goku knew that the power must have been split equally among these four, and so beat them up one by one.

Sorry for the long and boring post. =P

Anyways, I actually don't have a clue on this topic. But this technique holds great power, even if you don't use it in a strategic way. But referring to what hotohori said earlier, about the chakra being equally divided among the shadow clones, wouldn't that mean that when Naruto does his mass kage bunshin no jutsu, he only weakens himself? He doesn't use Kyuubi's chakra for kage bunshin no jutsu, remember that.

Yes, I think that's right. Well.. technically, it is - if u think of the amount of chakra as the indication of strength. Okay, maybe "weaken" isn't the right word here. When Naruto creates mass kage bunshins, he loses much of his chakra. But remember that he has greater chakra capacity than most so he doesnt immediately "feel" the effects. Remember when he fought Gaara? He created many kage bunshins to beat Gaara up. Yet when Gaara fully transformed into Shukaku and tried to kill Naruto, Naruto thought to himself, "Crap.. I already spent up most of my chakra with the Kage bunshins..." and if he didnt have the kyuubi inside him, i believe it may have been the end of him coz he had no more chakra to spend to fight.

well done guys,exspecially hotohori,nma and [daisuke].You all been a great help.

1 more question.....when naruto use harem no jutsuon ebisu(which is a kage bushin in a henge mode or a henge in a kage bushin mode)Does this mean he doubled up his chakra onto the bushin?

I don't quite get what you mean...Are you asking if Naruto uses double the amount of chakra when using the kage no bunshin and then henge?

Weeeellll....*thinking*

I'm speculating here.. but... Naruto turned into many kage bunshins first and then he had those bunshins use the henge (transform) technique. So he probably had his clones use their chakra to do their own transformation. But.. when u look at it, Henge is a basic jutsu that every academy student masters, so compared to the amount of chakra needed to do the kage bunshin, it's probably just minuscule.

wehn he does kage bushin no jutsu he can distribute his chakra agounst the clones any way he wants i think thats what makes them last longer.