Joffrey is a dick.

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Oh hey - we're talking about this now? OK, but I haven't watched the first episode of season 2 year so no spoilers. I really want to see if Bran grows wings and learns to fly like he does in the books.

I just finished downloading it and Tabitha and I will be watching it tomorrow or Wednesday. PUMPED.

Yeah I figured since it just came out that people might not have watched it yet so I just left it at the customary "Joffrey is a dick!" Which he is.

If anyone needs it, I could livestream the episode sometime.

King of the North

Season 2 Episode 1 was pretty good. A lot of set up without excitement, but they hit the right notes. Peter Dinklage still owns this show.

They changed the part with Melisandre and Cresson.

Yep. Makes sense though. In a book, you can easily introduce new characters with paragraphs - if you started the show with that scene, you'd lose people who haven't read. They had to rearrange it and given the rather slow start to A Clash of Kings, that interplay is the biggest moment. Have to close with it.

However, I am concerned that the grouping of Stanis, Melisandre and Davos is going to be utterly dominated by the Melisandre character, rather than leaving her as a sort of mysterious person Davos doesn't really have access to for the first little bit. I think they are going to build her character a lot more in the tv show to introduce the Lord of Light/Fire Religion earlier as it has a lot to play further in the story. It'll weaken the impact of Stanis on the "tv" story.

Stannis actor is bad choice. Doesn't look like Stannis at all. Everything else was fine in the episode I guess. Aside from the baby killing and sex which wasn't needed at all and was pretty stupid.

The sex is always needed in the episodes. The child killing though, Joffrey be a harsh bitch. I'm expecting a lot from Stannis after what I've heard about him.

The Jamie and Robb moment was my favourite. Grey Wind!

Also the second episode is already out, 'twas awesome.

I could really do with some links to watch the new episodes. Just got my computer back after five weeks and HBO gyped out on me when I tried to watch it.

I don't know any links aside from torrents that you could watch it directly from mate, after they closed down Megaupload it ruined everything for us.

I could always Livestream them someday, or if you want just send you the torrent links if you can do that.

Yeah, megaupload will be sorely missed.


http://watchseries.eu/episode/game_of_thrones_s2_e1-158988.html

Came across this, not sure if it's any good yet.

Yeah, megaupload will be sorely missed.


http://watchseries.eu/episode/game_o...e1-158988.html (http://watchseries.eu/episode/game_of_thrones_s2_e1-158988.html)

Came across this, not sure if it's any good yet.

A good chunk of links don't work, but some do. And since Game of Thrones will take months to get here, brb, watching with bucket of popcorn.

I just had to come here and say that anyone who read the books will find ep2 blasphemous. Well, I guess they always do these kinds of things to books. Piss on them. It might be a good series no matter what, but it's horse crap compared to the quality of the book.

What part? Put it in spoiler tags if needed. Is it a major plot thing or something minor?

I just had to come here and say that anyone who read the books will find ep2 blasphemous. Well, I guess they always do these kinds of things to books. Piss on them. It might be a good series no matter what, but it's horse crap compared to the quality of the book.

I think it depends. As amazing as books are and how generally, content wise, they're superior to film adaptations, they need to be judged at a different level. Movies/series do things that books cannot. But, with blatant fuck ups [read: Eragon], I totally agree.

It's not just one thing, but if I did have to chose, I'd say that I found it really stupid that the audience never got to actually know Stannis even for a bit. First of all, his actor is terrible (which is weird since 80% of the cast was really good). Second of all, he has no screen time. Then just out of the blue he fucks Melisandre. What the fuck was that.

So we get screen time of a whore (who is non-existent in the books I must mention) crying, but no Stannis or Renly or anything else much more vital.

I am sure most people who just watch the show don't even know who Stannis or Renly are. They would just be like - who? And Theon did fuck that girl on the boat (came in her throat, too), but out of all the scenes on the Pyke with Asha (Y something in the series...what?) they had to show sex? I know publicity...but seriously what the fuck?

ACt and anybody else who read the book can tell you how many actually important stuff could have been added.

I haven't read the books but from the previously shown reactions of Robert, Ned, Renly and Catelyn I was expecting him to be ruthless and to have a more commanding presence. From the trailers there does seem to be a good amount of time where Stannis and Renly are together though. The producers might be trying to introduce characters in stages rather than all at once - they did that last season with the Starks.

The sex is over the top as always.



I am liking this season as much as the last so far though.

Stannis and sex and two different worlds. He is stern, always tense, often grinding his teeth, commanding and does what he considers to be justice no matter what. You see, his brother Renly pronounced himself King, and Stannis has the right to the throne since he is the older brother of the two. Because of Renly's actions, Stannis wants to move against him even though he would rather not fight with his brother. But law is law. And Stannis IS the law. He does everything according to law, be it good or bad. He is not flexible person one bit. Stannis seems like a minor role here, a toy of Melisandre's and he really isn't that. Melisandre is important, yes, but so is Stannis. It was really important for the people to get to know him and Davos, but we are getting to know how a goddamn whore cries WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT. Cum in a chicks mouth also. I mean, give me a fucking break, I can Google YouJizz or Video One any day bitch.

Still, I am sure the series is great. It's just those things that give me, a hardcore fan of the books, a bit of trouble with watching.

i havent read the books, but i do feel them bombarding with too many chars too fast i honestly get lost with who's who until i hear someone say their name >.>

I haven't read the book but I was never expecting them to stay completely true to them. There are things that you can do in books that just don't work as well on screen (introducing a load of characters being one of them), but they've done well so far.

As for Stannis, they have another 8 episodes to flesh him out further. I'm already really curious about him from what others have said about him and for how they portrayed him in the last 2 episodes, as someone who gets a ton of respect from those around him but also seems to be unhinged somewhat.

And he doesn't really just screw Melisandre out of the blue, she promises him a damn son, something his wife seems to be failing to give him, there was a reason it happened.

This won't ever be like the books, nor will it somehow taint the books by changing things. Just treat it as its own thing and enjoy it for what it is, hell George R. R. Martin is actually writing the episodes too so you have to put a little faith in him and know that he's doing what he can to make sure he transfers his work over a best as possible.

You don't hear me. It doesn't matter about the books, it is the choice of scenes. Introduction to Stannis could have been handled much, much better. In a series with so many characters, you'd think that there are more important stuff to deal with and show then a meaningless character crying. Hell, you'll usually hate crying in an anime which has 600 episodes. Three sex scenes for one episode is more like watching porn.

Edit: now that I think about it, there is so much lore that it's ridiculous. And still, with all the bad examples, I am sure it's one of the best series ever. GG Martin.

I haven't watched it yet, but am guessing the whole Stannis screws Melisandre was (book spoilers)
just before or after the meeting with Renly, after which she goes with Davos to the castle thingy and she gives birth to the horror which goes and kills Renly, which Brienne and Cat are blamed for. I think such events were mildly alluded to in the book and you do get the suspicion that Melisandre is actually leeching off Stannis to get to a greater aim, but that is only truly identifed many books later. Like I said before, the show is deciding to focus on Melisandre as the main character in this rather than give adequate time to Stannis, which the book did to have you go "oh, these are the important people" and then give you a shock when others die.

The show did a very similar thing with a meeting between Littlefinger and Varys, in which both implied that the other was far more dangerous than any other - which is utterly giving the plot away. I mean, again, you can tell that they are behind shit, but you aren't certain they have any power until book three or so. It is poorly contrived by the show because, again, when some people are removed form the story, it is a big shock, opposed to now when you have an idea who the major string pullers are.

I think it is a choice by Martin and the others involved not to waste time building up characters you aren't supposed to care about. You keep Ned because he reveals a lot of the treachery and makes you question who to cheer for, but men like Stannis and Renly are just a means to an end.

However, overall, my wife and I agree that Stannis was poorly cast and are not liking his character. Also, I think Renly was pretty well done as he always rather aloof to the whole story, just feel that they decide to go a little TOO obvious with the homosexuality which, again, is only subtly alluded to in the books. I think there are just a few mentions of his love of finery (particularly clothes) and the whole his bride still claiming to be a virgin.

ACt

Melisandre and Davos didn't go into Storm's End until after Melisandre's shadow assassin killed Renly. She birthed one that went after the castellan of Storm's End.

Oh right. Still, I always felt the two were the same thing by Melisandre - just forgot that she did it twice.

I haven't watched the second episode yet, but showing that Stannis sleeps with Melisandre would explain where they came from

Especially when Cat swore the shadow that killed Renly looked like Stannis. Plus Davos said she looked heavily pregnant when they snuck into Storm's End and she birthed the second shadow creature.

It doesn't matter. I know about the shadow that looks like Stannis. But if Stannis did have sex with her, he did not do it out of love or passion. He did it because he couldn't beat Renly any other way. Stannis in the show is terrible. Everything about him.

Besides, Renly was also poorly cast. He is always nervous and oh so angry with his brother and so fucking gay. He might have been gay in the books, it is alluded but never said, but he was always cheerful and amusing. Nothing like the Renly from the show.

I guess I just hate the screen time given to certain things and I can't go around that.

As much as I liked the change in the end of the episode...that wasn't how Jon found out about Craster's dealings with the Others.

Yeah, I hate when they take cheerful and happy and just understand it to be gay. I mean, those words are completely wrong. ;-)

Anyway, saw the episode. All the stuff talked about, yeah, pretty well agree, but all the other stuff in it... most was poorly done. That whole episode was, well, off. The only scenes that felt right were the Arya and Gendry and even that they sped up to ensure the bond (which is odd given what happens). Just seems the writers of the show want to highlight a lot of characters and activities that were in the background in the books and emerge later. Guess we need to make it simple for the tv audience.

Need to start reading those damn books.

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Also, despite the spelling issue, I lol'ed:

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Is that an actual game?

Anyway, Shrike my friend - care for a competition? Let's guess all the sex scenes they plan to insert into the series beyond all the random whores at Littlefinger's. (Which, by the way, was that one of the most blatant examples of fake semen in TV history? I'm sure that woman's mother is proud.)

Anyway, spoilers... no seriously, this humourous post of sex scenes will include significant spoilers. You've been warned.
First guess is that they just would be utterly hard done by NOT to include Rob and his honour wench after the sacking of whatever the place it was. Jeyne was it? Yeah, he'll show him sacking Jeyne.

Next, I figure Melisandre will have sex with Davos' son, which won't be necessary but will happen because it seems she'll want to have sex with anyone.

Last suspision in an utter play to keep viewers, full out uggo and fatty orgy when the Night's Watch turns on Castor.

Yoren outdid Boromir.

I did like how they actually showed his death instead of it happening off page and Arya finding out later.

Started reading the first book the other day, yeah, I definitely see what all the hype is about =)

Episode 3 watched. Much better than Episode 2 and we've yet to go very long without boobs. And there are some nice boobs in this season. ;-)

Really enjoying how they are playing the Arya storyline. Executing it well and moving over some of the unnecessary parts with smart choices.

Not sure I like the emergence of the Tyrells though. Yes, they play the game, but you didn't know how deep they where for a while. Really don't like Loras. I'm fine with the whole gay thing, but he's such a petulant brat what with questioning his king constantly. He's supposed to be a shinning knight dreaming of chivary and they've made him no better than Theon. Terrible.

Rest is fine. They still haven't messed up the Lanisters and Brianne was pretty spot on for her brief screen time.

Brienne does seem like a great character.

The Tyrells come across as a bit one dimensional, especially Loras, but I think if they were made too important in the screen play I'd be struggling to cope with some many new characters at once. The remaining cast from Season 1 is already huge and now there are the extended Baratheons, the Greyjoys and presumably soon new characters for Daenerys.
It would of course be nice to see more of the Tyrells in greater detail, but as someone who hasn't read the book series it makes more sense for the production to be focussing on the families more directly involved with the war. My brain can handle more characters but I'd like to know the latest set as thoroughly as I got to know the Starks, Lannisters and Baratheons in Season 1. If the Tyrells become much more important later on then this might be a poor choice though.

Tyrells become more important in season/book 3.

I know it shouldn't bother me, but Tyrion's whore, Shae, doesn't become Sansa's servant until after the first of three wedding's in book 3, so they sped that up by over an entire season. Not a big deal, just something that stood out to me.

I'm currently about 3/4 the way through the 3rd book and all I can say is: holy shit. I can't wait for the next season. I really liked season 1, and so far season 2 as well. To those of you who haven't read the books, I urge you to do so. In the mean time stick out for season 2, it's slow going until about half way or a little there after.

^ I think they are avoiding Alayaya. The TV show can't have every character, but the idea that Sansa only has one handmaid is also a bit suspect.

Episode 3 watched. Much better than Episode 2 and we've yet to go very long without boobs. And there are some nice boobs in this season. ;-)Some, I guess, though I find the vast majority of them fairly underwhelming.

Lol'd at Tyrion's dastardly snitch finding method, I love the character more with every episode.

was[/B] good nonetheless, but I would like to see a battle soon (rather than a fade-out). I heard that series two had a 15% higher budget just for a single battle sequence, it better be good. Oh and the rat thing was completely ripped out of Nineteen Eighty-Four."]Did anyone else think that Joffrey was going to have that septre shoved into the other whore?



Repetitive to be saying this, but Tyrion upsetting his cousin was brilliant. Looking forward to seeing more of Quarth. I definitely like Davos even if Stannis is off character.

I know there are budget limitations, and the episode was good nonetheless, but I would like to see a battle soon (rather than a fade-out). I heard that series two had a 15% higher budget just for a single battle sequence, it better be good.


Oh and the rat thing was completely ripped out of Nineteen Eighty-Four.

Either they decided to add in a scene that wasn't in the book at the end of this episode, or they completely shifted events. The scene with Davos and Mellisandre was actually depicted after Renly was killed.

was[/B] good nonetheless, but I would like to see a battle soon (rather than a fade-out). I heard that series two had a 15% higher budget just for a single battle sequence, it better be good. Oh and the rat thing was completely ripped out of Nineteen Eighty-Four."]Did anyone else think that Joffrey was going to have that septre shoved into the other whore?



Repetitive to be saying this, but Tyrion upsetting his cousin was brilliant. Looking forward to seeing more of Quarth. I definitely like Davos even if Stannis is off character.

I know there are budget limitations, and the episode was good nonetheless, but I would like to see a battle soon (rather than a fade-out). I heard that series two had a 15% higher budget just for a single battle sequence, it better be good.


Oh and the rat thing was completely ripped out of Nineteen Eighty-Four.

I thought he was gonna make her shove it in the others butttttt lol

Incestual queen still at it, she only like family. wouldnt surprise me if she went for her son at some pt later on <.<

i want moar dragonz.

Oh and the rat thing was completely ripped out of Nineteen Eighty-Four

It's not like that novel invented the torture. The rat thing is older then 700 years.

Edit: Oh and I don't like the second season much. Must be because I read the books and this is really starting to get on my nerves with how it shits on it. I like Arya scenes so far though. Really well made.

It's not like that novel invented the torture. The rat thing is older then 700 years.


Of course, but it's so associated with the novel now that it would have been wiser artistically for them to have used a different torture method.


The series definitely if you have read the books (same goes for any adaptation), but that said I wouldn't describe the series in its own right as bad.

I actually don't remember them using that particular torture method in the novel. It has been a while since I read it however.

Also:
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oh man... if that list is accurate, the US political field is going to suck by book four.

Anyway, Tzu - I think what Shrike is upset about is that season 1 was a very very good adaptation, the tones, moods and characters were pretty well mapped out as they do in the books and if you put aside the fact that the direwolves are utterly ignored passed the death of Lady, it honours the story quite well. Brings to life just enough to tell the story.

In season 2, it seems like they've decided to go a different route, change the focus and even the motivation of major characters. The having to tell us that Renly is so utterly gay he can't even suffer sex with a woman for the sake of his claim on the throne, and so middling about everything (rather than being carefree like his brother without the ruthless streak) is bad. The portrayal of Stannis is worse. He's supposed to be one of the dominant characters in the book and he's fairly well overshadowed by Melisandre and even Davos. Likewise the overplaying of characters such as the Tyrells (still say Knight of Flowers is completely wrong), Varys, Littlefinger and Melisandre. It just doesn't feel right with what makes the books great - layers on layers. I worry what they'll do with the city of Braavos, Aristan Whitebeard and Strong Belwas and the Reed children (don't google those if you don't want to know)

I agree with Shrike that the Arya storyline is the best executed, but not having problems with the Ironborn (though I had Asha would be prettier), nor Catelyn's roll in it all aside from being a little minor (also supposed to be more major especially in Renly's group) and think her and Brienne will be good. The Northmen have been lacking but right now it's just about battering the Lanisters for a while, so no biggy.

Yeah, but the longer any adaptation goes on - the more it will diverge. The Fellowship of the Ring film is a lot closer to the source than The Return of the King. Season 1 was always bound to be more faithful than season 2. I don't think the production has changed in its treatment of the books, it's just that there is a lot more to handle now. Season 1 was a more accurate adaptation, but as television season 2 is its equal so far.

It'll be interesting to see how season 3 differs considering it is supposed to be book 3 split in half.



The Ned/Al Gore combination is brilliant.

oh man... if that list is accurate, the US political field is going to suck by book four.

Plus if that graphic means USA=Westeros, then White Walkers must come from Canada. You guys should get on that.

So, caught up. Still enjoy the show. Couple of points:
The Joffrey Whore scene. OK, we get it - Joffery is a sadistic fuck. Thing is, they went to far with this one. The cruelty he shows to people in court, especially Sansa, and his love of blood sport SHOULD be enough. I guess they need to make the point absolutely clear to the public... as if his production through incest isn't enough to make him the villain. I had felt they were going to go a slightly different route to explain his character - he greatly hated stories of his "father" Robert being unfaithful to his mother and I felt his character shunned the idea of being unfaithful himself. Nearly thought they were going to go that route of him chasing the whores from his room with his belt, which would have made him more of a character. But instead, "HARDER!!" with a twisted face. Boring.

Where the fuck is Pod? You'd think the TV show would realize they need him.

I'm going to revise my statement - I don't think Stanis is the worse cast. Loras. God do I hate staring at his emo, ugly mug. If you haven't read, he's supposed to be beautiful, nobel and devoted to honour above all else. He's supposed to be this paragon of knighthood. Instead, we have this scowling little brat who looks just about as ugly as Asha. No wait... uglier. Cat is prettier. I just don't like him. At. all. Put twenty pounds of muscle on Lancel and you have a better Loras. Of course, then you'd need another scrawny pretty boy.

Gonna miss the Queen of Thorns, but I think Margeary is the key Tyrell in this show.

Loving Brienne. Pretty much as I read her - she seems like a big oaf and a nothing and then the more time she spends in the story, the deeper the character becomes until you realize, hey, she's pretty important. They so far have that one right.

Wife and I are separated on Halfhand. She thinks he should have been a more giant of a man; I always prefered the crafty look of a man who's legend is much bigger than his is. Thoughts on that?

Lately, I've cooled on Stannis. His character is getting better, at least fitting with the Stannis I envisioned. More stern and final in his word. Still not physically as imposing, but it's beginning to work. Still, he's in the background a bit to play the Melisandre and Davos conflict as the central roll of this plotline. That is going well and should work prefectly once Battle of Blackwater is done. Hard to wait that long. However... that birth scene? Wife and I both said "whoa, wait... what happened to her genitalia?" Seems that the pregnant ladies have their vaginas twist underneath them so you can't see them... which I know isn't true because I get to see a naked pregnant woman daily. They stay in the same place.

Breasts get bigger, though.

Should add, a few episodes back when Stannis was lured into sex by Melisandre, for all the wrong reasons, I got a bit hot and bothered by it. I mean, to just wanted so bad to toss a naked woman onto your Westros War Table complete with model armies. Turned to the wife and said, "So are you also thinking about playing risk and then pausing halfway through to have sex on the board, too?" She was not.

Last point - Arya story still rules. Best part of the show.

EDIT: got too used to writing Thrones, cause I mean Queen of Thorns.

Never read the books, will marathon them this summer while I'm living in the woods.

But the show. goddamn goddamn it's pretty good.

Worst for me would probably the lack of nick offerman, but that's probably just because im watching parks and rec now.

But seriously, it makes me rage in a most awesome way how many absolute CUNTS are in this show. Characters, that is. And they seem to have found the most CUNTY looking CUNTS to play these CUNTS. Jaufree, his CUNT mom, his CUNT uncledad, that faggot rose prince who got sprayed with brienne's (waifu) CUNT fury, and his psycho CUNT wife with that funky dress everyone has been talking about. Oh and one more dried up furry pussy of a CUNT, that kid who told tyrion about the wildfire, the one fucking cersei

They are just...perfectly fucking annoying. Shifty, yellow bellied, liars, manipulators and sluts. Don't get me wrong, I love that the character makes me feel the hate for them.

Arya and Brienne are who I'd want with me in a zombie apocalypse.

Arya's story is getting reallly fucking good too dudes, Tywen (girls name) as well as that crazy old iron krakken pirate dude. The mole faced kids dad, the one who fingered his sister on the horse, yah that one.

Yah, he's such a IDGAF pirate king. "WE TAKE IT, WE PAY THE IRON PRICE" Made my dick hard with inspiration. Total Boss.

Stannis...I just sort of don't care about. I want Brienne to pop his head like a grape between her iron thighs. Maybe he'll get better but as of now he just has this gross looking crazy broad who apparently has hexxus hidden in her uterus. dirty dirty girl.

Oh shit, did I just read a FernGully allusion? Good show, sir.

1-Where the fuck is Pod? You'd think the TV show would realize they need him.
2-God do I hate staring at his emo, ugly mug.
3-Gonna miss the Queen of Thorns, but I think Margeary is the key Tyrell in this show.
4-Wife and I are separated on Halfhand. She thinks he should have been a more giant of a man; I always prefered the crafty look of a man who's legend is much bigger than his is. Thoughts on that?
5-Lately, I've cooled on Stannis.

1-He was mentioned once, and had almost 2 seconds of screen time... What more do you want? But yeah, really, Blackwater is coming up so they should definitely start to develop him some, or they'll miss the chance to show boat the stark contrast in his battle/non-battle personas.

2-Wholeheartedly concur. The only moment I didn't utterly despise him(just regular kind of despising). Was at that "Listen to this bitch" face he made behind Catelyn, when she gave the "If you were my sons speech". My old lady and I made the same face.

3-??? Was it mentioned somewhere that she wont be appearing in the show? Cause yeah... That would suck. Her role may have been minor, but she had a pretty significant impact on the political landscape of Westeros.

4-I wasn't disappointed at Halfhands casting. I pictured him taller, but what can you do. There's only like two or so casted characters that resemble what I had pictured when reading anyway.

5-Not sure what everyone is upset about with the Stannis actor, see above statement. I mean yeah, he doesn't look or sound what I had imagined, but again, few of the characters do. He plays the role well enough for my taste.

One thing in ep 5 I was looking forward too, that was omitted. Was when Stannis told Cat "Lord Eddard was no friend of mine, but only a fool would question his honor". Don't know why I wanted to see it, or why they changed it, but whatever.


Episode 6:
I thought the riot scene in the streets of Kings Landing was overdone. Joffrey taking a poo-ball to the face was good and all, because you know, fuck Joffrey. But the part where they ripped the the holy dude's arm if in under three seconds, then the commoner raises it over his head like a trophy. Also, the would be rapey guy who for some reason was fixated on taking Sansa's shoe's off. Seemed like a stupid way to try and slow the scene down, giving the Hound time to get there.

Tywin is starting to remind me off my father... It's not a good thing. Though, I did like his remarks to Little Finger. "You say that like you are the first man to think it.... Any more brilliant insights you'd like to share".

Little Finger
/sadface

Anyway another episode down. I'm glad they decided to break up the books into 2 seasons starting with Storm of Swords. Way to much is happening in what little time they have.

WARNING EPISODE 6 SPOILERS... (spoiler tags fuck up with links, can't be arsed to fix them).


Episode 6:
I thought the riot scene in the streets of Kings Landing was overdone. Joffrey taking a poo-ball to the face was good and all, because you know, fuck Joffrey. But the part where they ripped the the holy dude's arm if in under three seconds, then the commoner raises it over his head like a trophy. Also, the would be rapey guy who for some reason was fixated on taking Sansa's shoe's off. Seemed like a stupid way to try and slow the scene down, giving the Hound time to get there.


The shoe thing is silly I agree.

Peasants ripping off people's arms and such like is probably based on events in real life though - things like Wat Tyler's rebellion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wat_Tyler) (and the Peasants' Revolt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peasants%27_Revolt)), and the Harrying of the North (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrying_of_the_north) were really fucking bloody. Some of the peasant uprisings in medieval Europe make the French Revolution look civilised.

I thought the episode was great. Tyrion is risking himself with Joffrey though. Quarth is a little underwhelming - the whole thing seems like filler compared to last season for Dany.

Also I'm pretty convinced that Theon is screwed if the skin flaying family's bastard is being sent to deal with him. The father only had one line before and it was creepy as fuck. Theon is a little bitch but nobody deserves to be flayed alive.

Queen of Thorns - no, they haven't said she won't be in it, but just with the meddling that the Tyrell Bobsey twins (Margeary and Loras) are up to with Renly, I get the sense that introducing Olenna seems redundent. From the books, I always got the sense that she was running just about everything in House Tyrell on the subtle side, what with Lord Tyrell being a bit of a boar. Perhaps they'll bring it forth that she was mentoring Margaery, but I always got the sense that the girl was left in the dark on a lot of things, due to youth and due to her percarious position of being the one to be wedded off. Can't have her betray the family.

In this vien, I don't mind seeing Ann Boelyn play Margaery... but I had her younger and fairer. Seems an odd choice, again, makes me think that they just won't bother with the meddling old lady.

I hope I'm wrong, but just looking at it from a TV maker's perspective - you don't bring in redundency and by book four there are so many characters... you just can't have them all.

Anyone else notice the complete lack of the Reed children? How are they gonna play that out later in Bran's story? Just saying "fuck it" and have Osha take their place and have Rickon tag along as dead weight?

A lot of things they leave out could be argued as minor things, but the Reeds I'd say are not one of those. To a lesser extent, the way they showed Renly dying. His throat was supposed to be slit with his metal gorget still protecting it, and not just being stabbed in the back. Which as you know, if you have read the books, is one of the main reasons both Jaime and Loras eventually believe that Brienne did not kill Renly.

Little things, I know, but I'm a bit of a stickler for the details.

Anyone else notice the complete lack of the Reed children? How are they gonna play that out later in Bran's story? Just saying "fuck it" and have Osha take their place and have Rickon tag along as dead weight?

A lot of things they leave out could be argued as minor things, but the Reeds I'd say are not one of those. To a lesser extent, the way they showed Renly dying. His throat was supposed to be slit with his metal gorget still protecting it, and not just being stabbed in the back. Which as you know, if you have read the books, is one of the main reasons both Jaime and Loras eventually believe that Brienne did not kill Renly.

Little things, I know, but I'm a bit of a stickler for the details.


I noticed the lack of the Reeds, since they began Bran's training in warging. I also noticed that they changed Ser Rodrick's death, and the events leading up to that. He was originally swayed from retaking Winterfell because Theon threatened to hang his daughter. His death was really by Ramsey Snow when Rodrick believed he had gained Bolton men to aid in the reclaiming of Winterfell.

I want a spin-off series for Tyrion and Broon and then another for Arya, Tywin and Jaqen. They could all live in an apartment and it would be so much fun.

The episode has been pretty solid, I've started reading the books (half way through the first one) and I can understand some changes they make since the medium is different and they don't have leeway with descriptions and detail like you would have in books so it's all good.

Theon is douche and Dany is getting annoying with the whole mother of dragons stuff, though I guess that's part of her character and she seems to be slowly transforming into a she-Viserys.

Question about the books:


As I said I've only read the first half of the first book, up to the point where Ned wakes up from his sleep and he sits on the throne.

The question is about Jon Snow though, from reading the events that happened in the past and a few little hints they seem to drop it seems to me that he's not Ned's bastard child at all, but Lyannas? With Rhaegar being the father.

With Ned being so reserved in the information that he gives about the mother, and frankly I don't believe be would have bedded another woman, and then the stuff that happens in the Trident and Lyanna making him promise something. Then some other little droplets to his Stark looks and so on.

Is there any weight to this or am I just seeing things?

Question about the books:


As I said I've only read the first half of the first book, up to the point where Ned wakes up from his sleep and he sits on the throne.

The question is about Jon Snow though, from reading the events that happened in the past and a few little hints they seem to drop it seems to me that he's not Ned's bastard child at all, but Lyannas? With Rhaegar being the father.

With Ned being so reserved in the information that he gives about the mother, and frankly I don't believe be would have bedded another woman, and then the stuff that happens in the Trident and Lyanna making him promise something. Then some other little droplets to his Stark looks and so on.

Is there any weight to this or am I just seeing things?

You really should just keep reading to find out.
Heh - couldn't resist could you? It's a very popular theory that is only gaining strength, particularly with the requirements the story is imposing as it grows (I mean, I can't give you all of it because you have four more books). I would say the majority believe it to be true, though nothing has been completely confirmed yet.

I hit the second spoiler tag before I finished reading the first. I guess by the time I'm finished with the current books, the next one will come out.

I WILL BE READY!

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Edit: Also, I want to collect all the Joffrey slap .gifs by the end of this show.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3n4w3AuMm1r15hkao3_500.gif

I want a spin-off series for Tyrion and Broon.... The misadventures of Demon Monkey and Sir Staby. I'd watch. I would like to see then in a panel discussion show, where they dole out terrible, yet otherwise hilarious, advice on life to would be callers-in.
I guess by the time I'm finished with the current books, the next one will come out.
Not unless it takes you 5 or more years.
*Crosses fingers and hopes for once I'm just being to damn cynical.

Edit:
Jon-
I don't hold to that most accepted theory on the who's his daddy case, to which Act is referring. There is another tangent in which I see as a clear possibility. I still need more information to solidify my thoughts though. I do think his ancestry will be pertenint information at some point. So, just have to wait and see.

Jon-
I don't hold to that most accepted theory on the who's his daddy case, to which Act is referring. There is another tangent in which I see as a clear possibility. I still need more information to solidify my thoughts though. I do think his ancestry will be pertenint information at some point. So, just have to wait and see.

Where are you in the books? I can forward you some of the conversations Shrike and I have had after book five.

Missed the point about the Reeds. I was expecting them in episode six, but I'm guessing that's not the case. In that respect, they will either be introduced as Northern children after the fact rather than frog people or Osha will get their role.

So it's a choice between reading all the books in one go and waiting 3-5 years for the next one, or spacing them out so that I have enough to fill in the time. Poppycock.

What I read was that GRRM has had to tell the producers of the show the guidelines for the story and how it would end in case he dies. Would be nice to get those files.

Act- I'm all caught up and waiting on Winds of Winter. So yeah, feel free to do that.

Edit: Demi- I don't know about anything what he told the producers. Haven't really looked though. He most likely does have an idea of of what the overall resolution will be. But doesn't say anything about how much he has actually written.

In the meantime they do seem to have sorted out how to tackle the rest of the series though.

http://screenrant.com/game-thrones-season-3-4-5-details-aco-160936/

From link.
We’re not looking at our series as a book-by-book adaptation so much as an adaptation of George’s entire saga. In other words, in our minds season two is not “A Clash of Kings.” It is the second season of our adaptation of “A Song of Ice and Fire.”
I think it would alleviate a lot of peoples angst if they bore this in mind while watching the show.

In a cafe using their wifi to download the latest ep. will watch in my carhome later tonight with a few bottles of stolen wine.

So the kid that plays Joffrey looks like a douche, even when not being payed to act like one.
http://i.imgur.com/vXJz1.jpg?_r=0
Wonder how often he gets smacked by a midget in his regular life.

That photo is clearly not staged in any way.

Pretending to be a douche, still equates to douche in this case.

Of course the lady wildling will be a perfect 10 ginger.

To be fair to the actor, he's played him well and now everyone hates the character. They couldn't have picked a bigger douche.

Also, he was in Batman Begins:
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0z8qc5n0V1qjva5ko1_500.png

HOLY SHIT.

Of course the lady wildling will be a perfect 10 ginger.

Ugh, don't get me started on how much they changed that whole scene. For the worse might I add.

But I get it though, it's much better for tv than him telling her to go before he changes his mind, then going back to the other rangers and pretty much telling them what he did.

Yeah, the Ygritte thing bugged me a bit, too.

Ygritte is probably pretty average in real life... TV cameras just make everyone beautiful.

So, yeah, the scene with Jon was rather silly but I can understand the changes - they're going to have them captured and then meet back up with Halfhand for the resulting confrontation. Better TV story, really, and gives them a chance to begin the relationship between the two. Hopefully, they don't fuck up the rest between them.

Feels like I'm correct about the frog children. Unless they meet up later (doubt it), the job is Osha's. Absolutely don't get why she didn't stab Theon in his sleep at that point, given her character. So there's that.

The introduction of Roose Bolton was lacking - so much more there they could have fed off of. Needed a scene of him calling for Jamie's death for one. Really not setting things up for later.

So many other minor alterations that are hit and miss, but I really do not get the reason for Baelish to recognize Arya there. The books had her a complete mystery to all in Kings Landing... this seems, strange. I was hoping he'd just ignore her as a servent, which would have been more fitting. Ah well... see what they do with this.

I wonder how that is going to play out in the long run. I have been wondering what Osha and Rickon were up to on Skagos. From what little has been mentioned of the place it sounds interesting to say the least. I suppose whatever is planned for the books in that regard will be omitted entirely from the show.

As far as the Reed kids are concerned, I'm not particularly out of sorts that they haven't shown up. My only hope for them was to act as a window towards Howland, the only person left alive to have witnessed the Tower of Joy.

On the second book now, up to the part where the Reed children are introduced. (About 34% in, yay Kindles!)

I haven't seen yesterdays episode yet, but I'm told this is the one that GRRM wrote and it's the one they've been saving a lot of the budget for, so here's hoping for awesomeness.

Episode was awesome, and they spent 15% of the season's budget on the battle - it shows.

It was incredibly well done, one of the best battle sequences I've ever seen. I loved the cheers of "Half-man! Half-man! Half-man!"

I'm waiting to watch the show until I finish the current books, just started on the fifth this morning.

Fucking infuriated me that Martin killed off Sandor Clegane, by the end of the third book he was by far my favorite side character. Maybe if he'd met his end in a more legendary way it wouldn't have been an issue, but I feel that character still had a lot of potential.

Note to me: Don't click any spoiler tags. Fuck.


Just finished the episode a little while ago, so awesome. I loved that Stannis was literally leading his army into the battle while Joffrey was hiding like a pansy. Stannis has grown on me, the actor they chose didn't seem to match what I eventually read in the books, but I think he's grown into it and he's doing really well.

"Hundreds will die."
"Thousands."

I hope Davos isn't dead since he seems like one of the more interesting characters but he just seems to have gotten blown into the water.

Those war drums were awesome, made me want to go into battle myself.

"Those are brave men knocking at our door... let's go kill them!"

Last nights episode was pretty fucking good. The war was pretty well done, albeit short lived. Wild fire is some crazy nuke type shit apparently. I love how so much is going on in the show too. Maybe I need to go back and watch the end of it again, but why the fuck was the queen about to give that kid the nightshade(I think)?

Dog's a beast, but a I think Tyrion's bodyguard (don't know the characters name) would have fucked him up.

Can't help but wonder what's up with the rest of the Starks.

The only part of the battle that irked me a little: Loras wasn't the one wearing Renly's armor, it was his brother posing as Renly's ghost seeking vengeance against Stannis. I know they changed it from the books because it makes better television to have Renly's lover seek vengeance, but the books had it better to show Loras fighting by "Renly"'s side.

I'm waiting to watch the show until I finish the current books, just started on the fifth this morning.

Fucking infuriated me that Martin killed off Sandor Clegane, by the end of the third book he was by far my favorite side character. Maybe if he'd met his end in a more legendary way it wouldn't have been an issue, but I feel that character still had a lot of potential.

There's a theory going around that the "Hound" is dead, but Clegane is still alive and living at the monastery. The theory claims that the Elder brother's statement of "burying the Hound" meant that he helped Sandor bury the "Hound" part of his personality.

There's a theory going around that the "Hound" is dead, but Clegane is still alive and living at the monastery. The theory claims that the Elder brother's statement of "burying the Hound" meant that he helped Sandor bury the "Hound" part of his personality.

That's probably just the epitome of wishful thinking by people, but damn I hope it's true :o

When I read all the books, I'm coming back to this thread to click on all those spoiler tags. Then we'll see! THEN WE'LL SEE!

I've been clicking them anyway. I'll forget most of the spoilers. Happens. x]

2 episodes behind in Game of Thrones. Watched a fuck ton of Sons of Anarchy. Also, Damages and Breaking Bad.

GoT isn't disappointing me but I'm not much of a critic of art or fantasy anymore. Was entirely bored with Jon and the wildling chick though... the sexual tension was lacking and since it kept getting thrown in my face, I was hoping one would just stab the other already. Preferably the chick, because let's face it, Jon is pretty. More fault of the acting really.

Arya and Daddy Lanny are definitely highlights. Also enjoy Tyrion and Cersei's scenes. Sounds like I'm missing out on the Baratheon brothers, but both were a-okay in my book. Natalie Dormir is a strangely hawt lady, and I enjoyed the Tudors the most when she was part of the cast, so hopefully Margaery will get more screen time.

Last nights episode was pretty fucking good. The war was pretty well done, albeit short lived. Wild fire is some crazy nuke type shit apparently. I love how so much is going on in the show too. Maybe I need to go back and watch the end of it again, but why the fuck was the queen about to give that kid the nightshade(I think)?

The kid she was holding was her youngest son, Tommen. If they lost the battle, then Stannis would have killed them both. She was going to give the poison to her son and herself so that Stannis wouldn't have the satisfaction of killing them himself.

Dog's a beast, but a I think Tyrion's bodyguard (don't know the characters name) would have fucked him up.

If you're referring to Podric, the one who slayed the kings guardsmen who tried to kill Tyrion, then I highly doubt Pod would last against Sandor. Pod may do a complete 180, being clumsy and awkward out of battle, and being rather adept in battle, he's no equal to the Hound.

Can't help but wonder what's up with the rest of the Starks.

The season is almost over, so we don't get to see much more of them until next season.

Mest was referring to Bronn, not Podric. I agree with him that Bronn could take the Hound.

That makes more sense. I was under the impression that it was only for her son. Though, I still would have taken my chances.

After searching the names, Mal was right, I was talking about Bronn. I really enjoy his character. I don't really know where the tension between the two came from, but I chuckled at the banter between them.

I won't hold my breathe for the Stark's. Kind of wondering what happened to Jon Snow though.

I won't hold my breathe for the Stark's. Kind of wondering what happened to Jon Snow though.

Well, the second book ended with Osha and the Reeds splitting up Rickon (with Osha) and Bran (with the Reeds to continue his warging training) and going off in opposite directions when Ramsey Snow took Winterfell from Theon, But since it looks like the Reeds aren't in the show, Osha's sneaking the boys (with Hodor, of course) out of Winterfell seems like it's the new version.

Sansa's time in this season is done, as well, as the last scene with her in Clash of Kings was when the Hound drunkenly offered to get her out of King's Landing before making her sing at knife point, then left her alone with his gold cloak after, in Sansa's mind, giving her a small kiss on the cheek.

Arya escaped Harrenhall with Gendry and Hot Pie, but after she recalled Jaqan Haqar's name (she opted to have him help certain prisoners escape instead), he changed his face before her (since he is a Faceless Man, Jaqan Haqar is merely a disguise for him), and gave her a coin to get her to the Faceless Men guild at a later time. She uses that coin to kill a guard blocking her escape route (she dropped it on the ground and slit his throat when he bent over to pick it up, much to Gendry's horror, and she was really calm when he said "You killed him?!"

Robb wasn't seen after the Battle of the Blackwater (he didn't participate, as his forces were still in Riverrun), so I think his time is done this season.

Jon still has one more part to play. Originally he and Halfhand were captured together while fleeing from the Wildlings (the show hasn't deviated much here). Jon was told by Halfhand to "betray" his oaths to figure out what Mance was up to, and to prove himself a "traitor's bastard", he kills Halfhand to show he really defected.

Mest was referring to Bronn, not Podric. I agree with him that Bronn could take the Hound.

I don't know how they're presented on the show, but my assessment based on the source material is there's no fucking way Bronn would beat Sandor.

Edit-All things being equal that is (i.e. Sandor not roaring drunk as he is many times)

So, just watched episode 9 and I'm not even going to spoiler this.

Stannis Baratheon. WHAT. THE. FUCK. Honestly? Stannis in the vanguard? Stannis FIRST up the siege ladders?!?! First up those laters ALWAYS DIES! Holy crap I can't believe that Martin even wrote that!! Stannis believes it is his god given right to be king - everyone else can spill their blood so he can be king.

I don't even know how to defend how they've done his character. Idiocy.

Everything else was pretty darn good, though I'm guessing the whole episode will be largely devoted to Danaerys and perhaps a little Arya and Rob.

As for these fights - only guy who would give Sandor a good fight is his brother. Which never happened, unless you're going to believe the wild theories from book speculators. Of course, given what Martin has done...

@Mal - You're right, I forgot all about Bronn. In which case, I believe Bronn could beat Sandor, though it would be extremely close if Sandor wasn't piss drunk.

I don't know how they're presented on the show, but my assessment based on the source material is there's no fucking way Bronn would beat Sandor.

Edit-All things being equal that is (i.e. Sandor not roaring drunk as he is many times)I won't be reading the books for a while, but the show seems to present them as fairly even but with vastly different styles. Sandor fights very stiff and straight forward, parries and strikes simultaneously with little wasted movement; Bronn is much more fluid and evasive, looking for the chance to strike rather than overpowering his opponent's defenses.

Based on how the show presents these styles, I think Bronn would likely be able to avoid Sandor's attacks just long enough to strike.

The episode was awesome...aside from the very very bad scene with Sandor and Bronn which made them both speak words which are completely out of character and the fact that Stannis charged first. What the hell. Everything else was nothing short of amazing. I am surprised I liked it so much.

Yeah, but that's the problem with real life - very tough to find actors who are both large and agile. From my memory, the Clegane brothers were both excellent warriors beyond being brutes. Hard to kill and fight because they were big, strong and fast whereas in the show they just chop people in half. Monsters. And Sandor is supposed to be the quick one. Bronn's advantage was also being unnoble in his manner (victory at the Eyrie). They've also made Bronn far more sauve in this show which gives him more mystique. He was a brute himself, albeit an intelligent brute, in the books.

There were few who could match the Clegane brothers (couple of the Kingsguard, Jamie especially, Briene on some level, one or two of the Night's watch and, of course, the Red Viper.) so I still would say Bronn would lose. But I see how the show makes the case against it.

I think Quarth's been pretty dull this season but I'm looking forward to the season finale. Last season the dragon birth scene managed to top Ned's execution, at least in giving you something to look forward to, and so I'm curious as to what can pique the battle that just passed.

I liked that Stannis charged in first, 'twas badass.

I'm reading alongside the show now and I'm treating the two as different stories, I would get bored if I was just seeing an exact repeat of what was in the book so I'm glad they've changed a few things, even if they are character traits.

Though I do wonder if they'll introduce the Reed children later on, I understand leaving out some minor characters so that the viewers don't get too confused, but the Reeds seem more important than that. Maybe in the 3rd Season somehow.

Season 3 Casting - May be a spoiler to some:

Ha, I was right, in your face... someone!

Casting news for Season 3

http://winteriscoming.net/2012/05/ew-scoop-on-s3-the-reeds-are-in-and-so-is-blackfish/

Looking forward to seeing the Reeds and Thoros mostly.

Beric Dondarrion is a character they can really mess up. He's minor but important (and a good character), so I hope they get the feeling right.

You aren't supposed to like Stannis though. The whole thing seemed stupid rather than the intelligent, cold calculating ruler he's supposed to be. People don't LIKE Stannis. People would like a leader willing to risk dangers with his men - which was supposed to be the whole goodwill that Tyrion was to get for defending the city by actually fighting. Of course...

Qarth has been boring. but then, I've found most of danaery's chapters are pretty boring after the exits of Drogo and Viserys. The good news is that they'll pick up a bit with Strong Belwas and Whitebeard. The Houses of the Undying should be a good finale though.

Yeah, but that's the problem with real life - very tough to find actors who are both large and agile. From my memory, the Clegane brothers were both excellent warriors beyond being brutes. Hard to kill and fight because they were big, strong and fast whereas in the show they just chop people in half. Monsters. And Sandor is supposed to be the quick one. Bronn's advantage was also being unnoble in his manner (victory at the Eyrie). They've also made Bronn far more sauve in this show which gives him more mystique. He was a brute himself, albeit an intelligent brute, in the books.

I never imagined Bronn as a brute. I always thought of him as a quick and very capable fighter who is quite intelligent. Sandor was, in my mind's eye, always large, but quicker than Gregor. Indeed, Sandor from the show doesn't show much of the Sandor from the books, especially in character if you ask me, but he is still okay.

There were few who could match the Clegane brothers (couple of the Kingsguard, Jamie especially, Briene on some level, one or two of the Night's watch and, of course, the Red Viper.) so I still would say Bronn would lose. But I see how the show makes the case against it.

I am not sure, it would be a good fight, but I would also go with Sandor for the winner if he ever fought Bronn. Sandor is as intelligent as Bronn is and definitely a better fighter. I am just not sure if he is as quick as Bronn is, and he should be.

Beric Dondarrion is a character they can really mess up. He's minor but important (and a good character), so I hope they get the feeling right.

You aren't supposed to like Stannis though. The whole thing seemed stupid rather than the intelligent, cold calculating ruler he's supposed to be. People don't LIKE Stannis. People would like a leader willing to risk dangers with his men - which was supposed to be the whole goodwill that Tyrion was to get for defending the city by actually fighting. Of course...

Qarth has been boring. but then, I've found most of danaery's chapters are pretty boring after the exits of Drogo and Viserys. The good news is that they'll pick up a bit with Strong Belwas and Whitebeard. The Houses of the Undying should be a good finale though.

I dunno, I somewhat like Stannis. I like that he is persistent in his ideals. I like that he is iron fist. I like that he keeps to his character no matter what. Indeed, his character doesn't leave much to be liked, but as I said, his morals and attitude is what I, well, respect about him.

Daenerys was always boring for me. There were a few chapters in four goddamn books that I liked. That speaks volumes. I find her really boring, too. Honestly, she had more character when she was remembering the red door then she has now.

Maybe I'm using brute to broadly. What I was implying was that Bronn is a fighter, always and ever. He has no scruples so long as he wins. He was never the biggest or the strongest or even the fastest (I think the books give that to Loras and Jamie) but he always sets out to win. Like a physical manifestation of Tyrion's mind. He's a mercenary brawler who finds a way to survive any situation. I don't mean brute as "big dumb strong" but rather in this sense. And yes, he'd definitely give Sandor a good fight.

I kinda envision Bronn similar to how most of us write Miburo, though with a bit less of the Viking bravado and smaller.

Also, I understand the character of Stannis and it is likeable in the sense of honour, but as a character within the story, you are loyal and dutiful to Stannis, but you don't like or love him. He's a ruler who holds to a definite line of justice and ideals... but he's not lovable. He's not a character who lead men into battle. He's a character who takes people to battle and expects them to fight for him, because that is what his right as being the "rightful" heir to Westros.

Phil, maybe I should clarify that, I don't like Stannis in a kind of "Oh he would be so fun to be around!" kind of way, more that he's an interesting character to me and I always want to know more about him and am curious as to what he's doing, both the book and TV versions of him.

I'm the same Demi, I find Stannis interesting and want to see how he deals with situations that arise, but I don't particularly like him and won't really care when he dies.

Also, I'm not sure if it was mentioned, but a few episodes back when Renly and Stannis meet, I loved this moment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I40tnoYRFrY

I don't think it was in the books but it made me chuckle.

Yeah, but that's the problem with real life - very tough to find actors who are both large and agile. From my memory, the Clegane brothers were both excellent warriors beyond being brutes. Hard to kill and fight because they were big, strong and fast whereas in the show they just chop people in half. Monsters. And Sandor is supposed to be the quick one. Bronn's advantage was also being unnoble in his manner (victory at the Eyrie). They've also made Bronn far more sauve in this show which gives him more mystique. He was a brute himself, albeit an intelligent brute, in the books.

There were few who could match the Clegane brothers (couple of the Kingsguard, Jamie especially, Briene on some level, one or two of the Night's watch and, of course, the Red Viper.) so I still would say Bronn would lose. But I see how the show makes the case against it.

Pretty much this. There are several times in the books where Sandor is talked about as being one of the most talented swordsmen in Westeros. Jamie (who himself is one, if not the best) admits this a few times. I just like the character a lot, there's a great duality to him. He's brutal and severe, but you can tell there's a heart in there somewhere. His brother on the other hand appears to be a complete sociopath, basically someone you want dead in the worst way possible.

Don't clicky if you haven't read the books: I'm kinda pissed they killed that Red Viper dude too. He seemed like a pretty legitimate badass, and a manwhore lol.

Maybe I'm using brute to broadly. What I was implying was that Bronn is a fighter, always and ever. He has no scruples so long as he wins. He was never the biggest or the strongest or even the fastest (I think the books give that to Loras and Jamie) but he always sets out to win. Like a physical manifestation of Tyrion's mind. He's a mercenary brawler who finds a way to survive any situation. I don't mean brute as "big dumb strong" but rather in this sense. And yes, he'd definitely give Sandor a good fight.


Probably scoundrel is more an apt term. And I do definitely like the character, I youtubed the fight scene from the Eerie, very well done, and did the book justice I think. Especially his line at the end lol.

Yeah, the Martells are pretty fantastic all around, especially Oberyn and his daughters. Can't wait for their introduction into the show. Which reminds me - the casting of Margaery Tyrell. Anyone (who's read the books) feel she's too dark, too old (she's supposed to be 16 but is played by a 29-year-old) and would have made a far better choice for Arianne Martell? I'm really not sure how she'll stack up as the show progresses, but she's certainly going to look like a cradle robber trying to marry Joffery.

On a side note, Ser Barristan should not be nicknamed "The Bold", it should be "The BAUCE". In his prime he could probably beat just about anyone in the current story of Westeros.

On a side note, Ser Barristan should not be nicknamed "The Bold", it should be "The BAUCE". In his prime he could probably beat just about anyone in the current story of Westeros.

I'd put Barristan above everyone currently alive. And above most dead people, too, when I am at that. Names which come as those who could maybe defeat him come with Arthur Dayne, Jaime Lannister, Sandor Cleagne. No joke.

Barristan is awesome. I hope we get more back story on him.

Barristan is awesome. I hope we get more back story on him.

Hell, after all is said and done with the current story line, some prequel stuff would absolutely own. Martin has already laid enough infrastructure at this point. Of course, he is in his early 60's, and doesn't look terribly healthy, so he better get on the fucking ball.

Yeah, he's got a lot of history that is hinted at and not fully laid out - which is neat because it gives a layer to the events, but bad because you REALLY want to know what went down. But if he never lets the history out, I'm OK with it. I am only concerned that the books should be finished and he doesn't Jordon us.

He has apparently given the layout to the show should he not make it. So there's that. Won't be surprised if there is a similar contingency for a ghost writer to finish the series.

Holy shit. Zombies!

Was kind of hoping that the fatty that couldn't run would get eaten. The dragons were kind of cool. Something I don't get though, didn't Rob send those guys to Winterfell to take it back for him? Seems like he'd be pissed that they fucked shit up and burnt everything.

The zombies and the king beyond the wall are my new interest. Also, thought it was really lame that the little girl passed on learning how to be a faceless assassin.

I haven't watched the new one yet, but I will do soon and come here to WHOOOOOP about it.

But I just wanted to show you all the new Breaking Bad poster:

http://blogs.amctv.com/breaking-bad/TWD-S5-Key-Art-796.jpg

Wow. That was probably my least favourite episode of this show. Really stilted and poorly spliced together - not to mention a handful of quibbles that I felt would have captured the theme better.

Biggest complaint would be the daylight, open for all to see, yet ignoring Sam, Others. What the hell? Way to take the in the shadows, attack by night big bad and lay it out for all to see. Don't get it, don't like it. Just know they are going to skimp us on the entire fight at the Fist of the First Men, having Sam stumble in with everyone dead or run off... just like most fights in this show.

Ah well, see you next season.

Mest - yes. Rob got Roose Bolton to send his bastard son and men in to rescue his brothers from Theon. They didn't decide to do the scene - read the books.

Oh yeah, and I'd like to add - where the flying furry fuck is Ghost?! Seriously... why even give Jon a fucking direwolf?!

Well i liked it, arya and dragonz and zombies. lol

i had hoped arya would go with the guy to learn new tricks, but she is still a kid, she knows her family is going whack. family duties lol

same with sansa in the previous episode, i had hoped she would go with the dude but nope, she got replaced lol i really thought joffery would stick with her but i guess his mother's influences are still strong.

Yeah I quite enjoyed it, perhaps it skipped around a lot, but still worked well. The Others looks pretty badass, way better than they did in the first episode.

Oh yeah, and I'd like to add - where the flying furry fuck is Ghost?! Seriously... why even give Jon a fucking direwolf?!

Wasn't Ghost injured by a wildling warged into an eagle just before Jon was captured in the books? Wasn't that how they were found out?

Watched a fuck ton of Sons of Anarchy. Also, Damages and Breaking Bad.



Hell Yeah to that. I also wanna see how they do Bran's warging thing for next season. Plus that crazy Bolton dude.

Jon was injured by Varamyr, not Ghost.

The episode was okay bar a few horrendous scenes, for example Daenerys and the Others. Not to mention that I got pretty pissed that they show me a random whore again and spend 10 mins on her, but skip half the most important scenes. Really, really moronic.

Jon was injured by Varamyr, not Ghost.

It was Orell that had warged into the eagle and directly attacked Jon after he and Halfhand were captured. Ghost was attacked before that and wasn't present when Jon and Halfhand were taken.

Wow. That was probably my least favourite episode of this show. Really stilted and poorly spliced together - not to mention a handful of quibbles that I felt would have captured the theme better.They were obviously trying to squeeze in some temporary closure to the various threads ongoing, but I think that for what they had left they did fairly well. Of course, if they had planned it better to begin with they wouldn't have had to, but it could also just be a TV ploy to keep people watching until the end.

They were obviously trying to squeeze in some temporary closure to the various threads ongoing, but I think that for what they had left they did fairly well. Of course, if they had planned it better to begin with they wouldn't have had to, but it could also just be a TV ploy to keep people watching until the end.

Yeah, there was a lot to tie up, but at the end of the season, focus on the important - House of the undying, Jon and Halfhand, aftermath of Bywater (and I would say ONLY the Kingslanding side), Theon and Winterfell. The few quick scenes of Jamie and Brienne and Arya + co were pretty well done so they make great interludes, but Varys and the whore? why? Stannis moaning about defeat and then told to look into the fire... why? (There's a great scene at the start of Book 3 with Stannis, Melisandre, leeches and fire that I felt would be a better way to reintroduce him after his defeat)

It led them to rush pretty much all the scenes where a minute or two extra of suspense would have served the important issues far better. Not to mention the overplaying of Littlefinger's motives, (again) the making the Other's far too obvious (this is the BIG BAD here and they are tossing it out as a known when Martin had it very unknown), a little confusing to Jon's motives in the fight with Halfhand - felt it could have been better handled -, completely skipping the attack on Winterfell by Ramsey Snow... just don't understand the reasons here when there is so much better to mine out of the books.

The zombies at the end seem like a cheap move to cash in on the "OMG Zombie" popularity that is currently big, partially due ot the Walking Dead. If you aren't liking this show and now all of a sudden are "OMG ZOMBIES BEST SHOW EVER" ... I just don't know. Feel they blew a lot of money on that which could have been better used to put Ghost in the show since the bond between Jon and Ghost was the strongest aside from Bran and Summer.

I plan on reading the books, one day. I'm most likely going to wait until the end of the TV series though. The show is what got me hooked on Game of Thrones, I wouldn't want to know every thing that's going to happen before it actually happens in the show. I don't think I would enjoy it as much tbh. The way I see it is, when the show does finally run its course, I'm going to be left wanting more(like I am with all my favorite shows) and then I'll actually have the entire books series to look forward to, and I'll learn all those little details the show never showed me.


Also, Breaking Bad. Fuck yes!

Absolutely love this show. I waited until every episode of season 2 came out before watching and then just "marathoned" it all (I already did something similar for Season 1 except by the time I first heard about the show all the episodes were already out).

Cannot wait for season 3.

I'd say some of my more favored characters so far are Ned, Jaime, Arya, Tyrion, Tywin, Cersei, and Daenerys. But I like majority of all the characters anyway simply because a large majority of the characters are complex, grey, and intricately designed.

I plan on reading the books, one day. I'm most likely going to wait until the end of the TV series though. The show is what got me hooked on Game of Thrones, I wouldn't want to know every thing that's going to happen before it actually happens in the show. I don't think I would enjoy it as much tbh. The way I see it is, when the show does finally run its course, I'm going to be left wanting more(like I am with all my favorite shows) and then I'll actually have the entire books series to look forward to, and I'll learn all those little details the show never showed me.


Also, Breaking Bad. Fuck yes!

You'll be waiting awhile. There are 7 books planned, more if he gets carried away and has to split up books again. So, you'll be waiting at least 6 years (they're splitting book three into two seasons), longer if they split other books into two seasons.

If you still have the patience to wait until the end of the TV series, I commend you, as I'm an impatient fucker.

HBO Asia cut so many damn thing. Gonna wait until its in DVD

That really is a long wait.. damn. I'm pretty sure I'll stick it out though, unless the show takes a turn for the worst. As long as I keep getting new episode I should be fine, I might go ahead and just read book 1 and 2, and read behind the TV show, since I'll have so much time between seasons.

I'm about 30% through book 3 now, god damn. God. Damn. I'll be able to read all your spoilers soon, you bastards.

Also, I landed on the Wikipedia page for "Usurper" and it ended with this:
"Some famous examples considered usurpers are Pope Leo IX, George W Bush, Henry IV of England, Catherine II of Russia, Miguel of Portugal, Robert Baratheon of Westeros, Habibullah Ghazi of Afghanistan."

So I was talking to some people about being bored and having nothing to do on my days off and the one guy was like, "You should watch Game of Thrones. It has incest." and I'm like, why the hell would I wanna watch something about incest? But then I was just really fucking bored, so I was like what the hell, why not.

Fuck that guy for ruining my life. I spent a week marathoning the fuck out of the first two seasons. Now I need to find myself the ebooks or something cause I can't wait for next season to know what happens.

So I was talking to some people about being bored and having nothing to do on my days off and the one guy was like, "You should watch Game of Thrones. It has incest." and I'm like, why the hell would I wanna watch something about incest? But then I was just really fucking bored, so I was like what the hell, why not.

Fuck that guy for ruining my life. I spent a week marathoning the fuck out of the first two seasons. Now I need to find myself the ebooks or something cause I can't wait for next season to know what happens.

Don't forget to read all books even thought you watched the first two seasons. The books are a LOT better and different.

I'm about 30% through book 3 now, god damn. God. Damn. I'll be able to read all your spoilers soon, you bastards.

Also, I landed on the Wikipedia page for "Usurper" and it ended with this:

I lol'd. Oh you are @ book 3. best one in the series. PM me when you finish reading it ; )

book 3. best one in the series.

Yup, totally agree.

Yeah, Storm of Swords is so good makes Game of Thrones and Clash of Kings better books. Does do much for Feast for Crows or Dance with Dragons, but I suppose that's what Winds of Winter and Dream of Spring are for.

I'm over halfway now, it's been awesome so far, two things:



- I'm starting to feel pity for Jamie and actually like him a lot more as a character... the fuck.

- Ned Dayne, "deep blue eyes, so dark they could almost be purple... silver hair, more like ash..." This motherfucker is a Targaryen isn't he? If it's a big spoiler, no need to answer it or anything.

RE: Jamie Lanister - Yeah, Martin does that with characters.

Finished the third book, fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu-



A few things,

- So... many... deaths...

- I thought there would be a lot more from the Red Viper, he seemed so awesome that I thought he would kill Clegane and then have some more awesomeness with Tywin.

- Walder Frey is a dick

- The final sentence of Tywin in the privy made me laugh.

- Did not expect the end

Just watched the pilot for Parks and Recreations. Not sure if I find it funny just yet but I did smile a few times. Anyone else watch it or seen it?

I've seen it a few times, Ron Swanson is definitely the star character, but I find most of his lines are really forced and not as funny as they should be. "Forced" in the sense that the writers aren't really doing a great job of it; the actor does a fantastic job with what he's given.

Downloading Breaking Bad Season 5 episode 1 now. Fuck yeah!

Finished book 5, going to read ALL your spoilers. You buggers.

Edit: Your spoilers suck.

Are you ready to wait 6 years for the next book to come out?

Maybe with the popularity of them now Martin will write faster... Wishful thinking.

Our spoilers suck? Maybe your anticipation was too great. I, for one, know spoiler tags don't work so never put too much into them. My best work is in PM with others.

Martin has set targets of three years from 2011. So, 2017 sounds about right.

Suuuuck. Nah I josh, my anticipation was just too great. I'll send you a PM or bother you a little about it if you get on Steam sometime.

Hopefully in 3 years, I wouldn't mind waiting that long. I feel bad for the people who have been reading since the first book came out, they've had to wait for so damn long. I'll try to distract myself with other series for now, and just constantly read the Wiki and crazy theories.

Lord Manderly is a badass.

I thought he was a big ass. Hey-oh!

Would you like some pie? It's a Manderly speciality.

Artan, Steam is being a meanie, so I share this here with you; http://youtu.be/rapo0h-RDnk Adam whathisface is leaving Maroon 5 cause of Game of Thrones.

^ good wrap up lol XD

Rhys, that was the best thing. thank you! Downloading the crap out of that now, hope Steam works for you soon though.

Okay, I'm watching a British show called Misfits before work today - anyone else seen this? It makes me lolz. Kinda dumb though.

Misfits is great for the first couple of seasons. The third season is shit, though.

I'm on the second episode. Lots of laughs, the dramatic falling scene when they all get hit with lightening was hilaaarious (in the bad way xD). Also still trying to fully understand what the white chick is saying... but I'm getting better at it xD

Series got kind of shit after Nathan wasn't in it anymore. And then they got rid of more of the original cast at the end of Season 3, which I didn't like much either. But, like Jaxon said, 1 and 2 were great. And I still watched 3 even though I didn't like it very much.

Also still trying to fully understand what the white chick is saying... but I'm getting better at it xD

http://data.whicdn.com/images/5870373/tumblr_ldovpnqo8B1qbn5x3o1_500_thumb.jpg

You get used to Kelly. Kind of...

Anyone keeping up with the walking dead?

I cried, I really fucking cried this past episode.

And, the obligatory, HELL NAW for T-Dog...

I watch it. T-dawg was a goddamn hero. I kinda wish there were more than just those two zombies though. To make it even more heroic.

I don't know what blood means when you're trying to pop out a baby, but I took it as meaning you're totally going to die and the only thing to do is save the baby. Which was pretty = (. Thinking about it afterward, it could have meant "Oh shit, you need to see doctor stumpy asap," in which case I think trying to wait it out for some help would have been the better option. But tv show, I gotta stop over-thinking that shit.

Rick took it well though.

In the comic, both Lori and the baby die at the same time about 6 months or so after it had been born, after which Rick goes catatonic for a few days. After snapping out of it, goes bat shit crazy thinking that Lori is talking to him on an unplugged telephone, which by the way he carries with him at all times.

Comic did it better.

Always blood during birth. Pretty much unavoidable as all the "connections" between the mom and baby are separated and the placenta is engorged with it. It all comes out. Also, there can be tearing as the baby passes, which will add to the bleeding a little.

Our midwives said that anything under half a litre during birth is normal (most experiencing I think between 200-250 ml) and more in considered hemorrhaging and requires real attention. Also, bleeding may not stop, even if the original is normal, and that also requires medical attention.

I am liking the Guvna though, I think he's portrayed pretty well.

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/daryl-dixon-better-mother-than-lori.jpg

Daryl's an obvious favorite, but it bothers me that this is one of those shows that I enjoy watching, but can't connect for very long with the characters. And I was hoping that I'd dig Michonne and Andrea, but Michonne hasn't delivered (well, she is the best female so some props) and Andrea's likability lasted 2 seconds...

Onto other shenanigans, Fringe is counting down to the series finale. Anyone watch that show? I love it, I don't care.

Mad Men didn't live up to the hype for me, I stopped at the beginning of season 3. I'd much rather watch Breaking Bad (the show that always seems to be found in the same sentence as Mad Men). Which is surprising, really thought I'd dig all the alcohol, infidelity and second hand smoke. 8] Maybe it's better when not viewed as a marathon?

I started watching Fringe back during the first season, but events in my life kinda made it so I kept missing episodes and had no clue what was going on. I'll get to watching it on netflix eventually.

Just finished watching season 3 of Boardwalk Empire. Fucking hell, I love this show. So much.

I would watch the third season of The Walking Dead, but I'm going to wait till it finishes (like I always do for shows I deem worthy of me sitting down and watching it through in relatively one straight shot), before starting to watch it. Really, it's because me memory is so bad, I prefer not to have to wait a whole week or however long it takes, to watch the next episode. Could say the same about manga, but that'd be too much work since they aren't packed nicely into seasons, I'd have to arbitrarily define my own stopping and starting point, etc. Not to mention that most manga I read might be hard to get a hold of if I wait too long for the chapters to get out. lol, what the fuck am I talking about at this point?

Anyway, Boardwalk Empire. It's awesome.

Gonna see that soon, as well as "The Wire", followups on HIMYM, Grey's, BBT - and ofc, new seasons of "Game of Thrones" and "True Blood"...

Seems like I have 0 time to do what I want...

Don't miss The Wire. Best TV show ever made along with The Sopranos I guess. Oz was great, too.

Edit: I'd avoid True Blood. The first season is good, second is so so, third was good up until the end and the fourth was so horrible that I never ever wanted to devote time to season five.

Then again, I guess it depends on what sort of thing you're into.

Don't miss The Wire. Best TV show ever made along with The Soprano's I guess. Oz was great, too.

Edit: I'd avoid True Blood. The first season is good, second is so so, third was good up until the end and the fourth was so horrible that I never ever wanted to devote time to season five.

Then again, I guess it depends on what sort of thing you're into.

Well, I have seen them all, and right up until the point, where our "good-guy vampire" goes in like, jesus-mode and shit, I thought it were pretty good. But all this religion-crap.. I mean, come on.. Religious vampires? No fucking way that shit will hold up. Not with me, anyways...

Based on like three episodes, True Blood is the purest of shit.

Based on like three episodes, True Blood is the purest of shit.
I'll counter that with Revolution. //they can do it in one episode.

lol

Oh yeah, I remember someone trying to convince me Revolution was good. Even their best description of it was horrid.

It's all subjective but, I like Revolution. It's not the best series I've ever seen, but definitely doesn't deserve to be lumped in with shows like True Blood.


Re-watched firefly this past week. Doesn't make sense how such an amazing show like that gets 14 episodes and a movie. That's what good tv should be like. Perfect cast, awesome plot, great dialogue. Such a shame..


Edit: Anybody watch Castle? Is that any good?

I watch Castle and enjoy it very much. As for Firefly, it held a lot of promise. But it was expensive to produce and joss and fox couldn't make concessions on a few things, so joss would force them to do what he wanted. So, fox sabotaged the show.

i also watch castle, up to the latest so ya i like it lol

I watch Castle and enjoy it very much. As for Firefly, it held a lot of promise. But it was expensive to produce and joss and fox couldn't make concessions on a few things, so joss would force them to do what he wanted. So, fox sabotaged the show.
Didn't Fox already sabotage it prior to that by airing all the episodes out of order, or is that why they did that?

Thats why they started airing episodes out of order. They didn't want the actual pilot to air first because they wanted viewers to see a show with a happy protagonist. Mal, in the pilot, wasn't as jolly as they originally wanted.

Don't miss The Wire. Best TV show ever made along with The Sopranos I guess. Oz was great, too.
I'm planning to watch it really soon. I've heard some hype about it. Really just from you and my uncle- and from some other random websites, but still you two in general have tastes in the same ballpark as my own (being really general here, but it still means something), so I'm hyped for it. I also have the Sopranos on my list but I'll see if/how I can make time for it, fuckin' college.


Edit: I'd avoid True Blood. The first season is good, second is so so, third was good up until the end and the fourth was so horrible that I never ever wanted to devote time to season five.
True Blood is decent for me. It's not really terrible or great. I think of it like I think of Naruto before the timeskip: Entertaining enough when first reading/watching it. But it'll most likely not get any rereads/rewatches from me (despite the fact that I've reread Naruto before- but that's kind of how I know True Blood's in the same boat). That includes the first season as well. What you described as good is still just "decent" for me. Just finished watching the 5th season. I still feel the same about it (Eric Northman- Viking Vamp is pretty cool, though, gives the show a little bonus).

Also Mal, did you hear about the new season of Arrested Development? = D

Shit I just found out dat Supernatural's been turned into an anime, its a shame dat Dean's voice isn't original but still :D
http://cnbstorm.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/500px-supernatural_the_animation.jpg?w=594

I'm planning to watch it really soon. I've heard some hype about it. Really just from you and my uncle- and from some other random websites, but still you two in general have tastes in the same ballpark as my own (being really general here, but it still means something), so I'm hyped for it. I also have the Sopranos on my list but I'll see if/how I can make time for it, fuckin' college.

You shouldn't watch the Wire for explosive and fast paced story and action. It's a show which is as realistic as they come, so don't judge it from it's first episode and let the plot develop. The characters are amazing. I am sure that, by the end of first season you will be amazed by the quality and by the end of the series you will be like: "best tv show ever".

True Blood is decent for me. It's not really terrible or great. I think of it like I think of Naruto before the timeskip: Entertaining enough when first reading/watching it. But it'll most likely not get any rereads/rewatches from me (despite the fact that I've reread Naruto before- but that's kind of how I know True Blood's in the same boat). That includes the first season as well. What you described as good is still just "decent" for me. Just finished watching the 5th season. I still feel the same about it (Eric Northman- Viking Vamp is pretty cool, though, gives the show a little bonus).

I dunno, TB's first season had more good things than bad things, so I say it's good, but I am actually in the same boat as you - it's decent. Later, the bad things start overwhelming the good by a huge margin, and thus, the fourth season was horrendous for me. Not that there weren't moronic things happening before, but at least it was entertaining enough at the time.

Shit I just found out dat Supernatural's been turned into an anime, its a shame dat Dean's voice isn't original but still :D
http://cnbstorm.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/500px-supernatural_the_animation.jpg?w=594
tried that, it is just not the same, so i stick to the tv show one.

tried that, it is just not the same, so i stick to the tv show one.

Dat might b true, but u get 2 C some gruesome scenes & Shape-shifters creepy transformation :D

I wonder if Dexter has been animated as well :confused:

Haven't watched the Supernatural anime, but I've known about it for awhile. Think I'll watch it once the show stops airing.... so in a few years lol

True Blood is trashy. I don't hate, but I don't love.

Haven't checked out Revolution, but a friend likes it. So I may. I did watch 666 Park Avenue. It was alright. Don't think it's coming back though.

True Blood is trashy. I don't hate, but I don't love.

Yeah its not gud anymore, fairies,wolves & whatnot.

I can't wait 4 Californication 2 start airing again :)

Haven't watched the Supernatural anime, but I've known about it for awhile. Think I'll watch it once the show stops airing.... so in a few years lol

True Blood is trashy. I don't hate, but I don't love.

Haven't checked out Revolution, but a friend likes it. So I may. I did watch 666 Park Avenue. It was alright. Don't think it's coming back though.A friend of mine recommended 666 Park Avenue to me, haven't got around to watching it yet but he knows my taste fairly well so I suspect you and I will disagree on its quality.

Well, as I've gotten older I've gotten less hyped about shows, especially when it comes to the first 10 to 13 episodes, so when I say alright, I do mean that I liked it well enough. I was a bit disappointed when I read that it got cancelled, mostly because the power couple was kinda hot (in an old, rich, evil kind of way...) but the protagonist pairing didn't draw me in (still attractive though lololol). And it has a Devil's Advocate feel to it, which is a pretty horrible movie that I like xD So, that's a plus and a negative? I'unno.

You shouldn't watch the Wire for explosive and fast paced story and action. It's a show which is as realistic as they come, so don't judge it from it's first episode and let the plot develop. The characters are amazing. I am sure that, by the end of first season you will be amazed by the quality and by the end of the series you will be like: "best tv show ever".

Just finished the first season. Pretty awesome show so far. Yo, Stringer Bell and Omar. <3 I'd put it at about Rome's level, so far, maybe a bit higher due to plot.

And you don't have to worry about me watching something for explosive action alone, action by itself is so far down on my priority list. The only time action really shines to me is if there's a special feeling or significance to it...or hint of despair or even realism to it. So yeah. If that makes sense. But thanks for the warning, since it'd totally suck if I missed out on a great show cause of something stupid like that, so good looking out.

Now, I'm not saying I don't love Rome, because it's one of my all-time favorites, but it's not my favorite show ever, so far either. I'll just list my favorites:

Game of Thrones
Boardwalk Empire
The Walking Dead
Rome

We have GoT and BE on the top, and I'm not sure which I like more, but the general core plot of GoT I like better I guess. TWD or Rome, probably Rome since it's a more complete solid package as of now (not really, though, lol, crammed-last-season-cough).

The main, worth-explaining, reason that The Wire doesn't compare to those top two right now is because so far the characters haven't been developed as much as I want them to. For example, GoT and BE have this thing where characters will just get into deep fucking conversations with each other- sometimes for seemingly no fucking reason-, and they will start telling crazy stories and shit, giving us an insight into their mind that is the best you'll ever get besides reading their mind. Both plots are pretty in depth, realistic, grounded, slow-paced, etc. Which I can immediately see The Wire shares. But so far, while the The Wire has had great character development, it hasn't been as much yet, I'd wager. In particular I'd have liked to seen some more from Stringer, Omar, and Avon, though of course I realize the plot realistically didn't always need to focus on them, especially to give the feeling that the detectives were working their way up, but still man.

Of course, it may seem like an unfair comparison, given I'm only on season 2 now and I'm on season 3 and 4 of GoT and BE respectively but even in the first seasons of GoT and BE the character development was tremendous. Still, only the first season and it's already one of my favorites.

I doubt there's much it will do to make me hate it from here on out; I got a good feel for the show, and I'm excited to watch the next season. Hoping it'll have more personal development with Avon and Stringer, especially.

Also been listening to this all day, haha:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6VpSB0XrOY

Didn't watch BE, but GoT and Walking Dead are far below series such as the Wire for me. It's not even comparable. GoT is an okay adaptation, but nothing too awesome; the book overshadows it so much it isn't even funny. The Walking Dead, I dunno. The first episode the the best pilot ever (in any series), but right after that I didn't like it that much. The end of season 1 and whole of season 2 were pretty bad for me.

Rome is good. That series is another story.

kinda feel the same, walking dead season 2 was just bad and boring, only mama drama pretty much <.<. 3 wasnt too bad though, someone who i wanted dead died =D. lol

lori if u are wondering lol

as for thrones, i think its ok, kinda slow in some parts, and theres just so many characters and things going on, i kinda get lost sometimes.

im still watchin both though. lol

havent seen empire and rome yet.

I don't think GoT is slow, it's just very confusing for a non-book viewer and very rushed for someone who read a book. Didn't watch season 3 of Walking, but I will probably pick it up. Just didn't feel like losing my time since season 2 and even season 1 were bad.

Don't find GoT slow at all. Just sit there and watch to see how they'll accomplish certain things. They make some interesting choices probably in terms to make some things a little more obvious. I've written extensively about this already so I won't again.

Also, what the hell are they doing with Stannis? He's WAY too likeable.

I watched GoT twice just to clear out the characters miss, I find the slowness mainly in season 2 which considered quite eventless except for the last few eps. But season one was just perfect. Am thinking about giving the whole thing a 3rd run, because it's that damn good.

Everybody's in here talking about American/Western shows and here I am watching almost exclusively anime, aside from GoT. And Adventure Time.

lol i watch asian dramas >.> but no one here watches it as far as i know <.<

Everybody's in here talking about American/Western shows and here I am watching almost exclusively anime, aside from GoT. And Adventure Time.

http://loldwell.com/?p=1050

But seriously, I'm only getting around to watching Breaking Bad after what, three years?

Just started a Storm of Swords. (:
Definitely agree that the second season was botched in more than a few ways. Too bad.

Just watched Berserk Ova II last night and am more than ready to watch again tonight, It's fucking incredible.

Where? (Can I ask where?)

^ talking to me,brah?

Finished A Storm of Swords. Was quite good. (:

Wasn't too impressed with the new TWD. But I did rewatch seasons 1&2 and found that season 2 was better in a marathon sitting.

Anyone anticipating the Game of Thrones premiere? I know I am.

Not really. Thinking this season has a high potential to suck.

Waiting till it is up on streams :P


http://www.free-tv-video-online.me/player/muchshare.php?id=b2jjjpw5jyeg

Not really. Thinking this season has a high potential to suck.Well so far this appears to be the case. Thoroughly disappointed with pretty much everything in the episode.

Haven't seen it yet, but assuming they had to reintroduce and set up future events. In a story this complex, that probably would be difficult. More when I see it.

What I really meant was that Storm of Swords was just so good and utterly jam packed with material that even the fact they are now not doing one season for one book, there's just so much that can go wrong. Also, I don't have any clue how they deal with Danaerys story from here. It's a tough one cinematically.

Well, concerning one particularly difficult written-to-visual conversion problem in Danaerys's story:

It would obviously be pretty futile to try and disguise Barristan Selmey as a completely different character, so they didn't bother. He's introduced as Selmey to being with, and Strong Belwas has yet to appear (if he ever even will).

Well, concerning one particularly difficult written-to-visual conversion problem in Danaerys's story:

It would obviously be pretty futile to try and disguise Barristan Selmey as a completely different character, so they didn't bother. He's introduced as Selmey to being with, and Strong Belwas has yet to appear (if he ever even will).

But they could. Give him a beard and let the audience titter and laugh because they know but Danaerys doesn't. Still leaves most with no idea to his motives for showing up with her. Just because we recognize him doesn't mean the characters in the show have to. That's one real annoyance I have with this show is they really are attempting to dumb it down for the viewer so you clearly get everything rather than be surprised with subtlety or complexity.

But they could. Give him a beard and let the audience titter and laugh because they know but Danaerys doesn't. Still leaves most with no idea to his motives for showing up with her. Just because we recognize him doesn't mean the characters in the show have to. That's one real annoyance I have with this show is they really are attempting to dumb it down for the viewer so you clearly get everything rather than be surprised with subtlety or complexity.

You give the audience a lot of credit, ACt. I think a lot of viewers would be on the same page as Danaerys and have no idea who he is. Considering there are a boat load of characters introduced like all the time and the break definitely gave room for people to forget his face. If not for the like 5 minute recap in the beginning of the episode, I probably would have forgotten what his character looked like, to be honest. Having read the books, I would have known that it was him, but still. I think they might have been able to trick the audience for at least a moment.

Anyone else disappointed in Tyrion's ownership of a nose still? Or is that just me?

But they could. Give him a beard and let the audience titter and laugh because they know but Danaerys doesn't. Still leaves most with no idea to his motives for showing up with her. Just because we recognize him doesn't mean the characters in the show have to. That's one real annoyance I have with this show is they really are attempting to dumb it down for the viewer so you clearly get everything rather than be surprised with subtlety or complexity.I suppose, though I'm not sure I would have liked that any more than making it clear to begin with.

I found the unknowns of Arstan Whitebeard were a large part of the character's appeal, but now that I really think about it there could still be plenty of mystery. Questioning his motive and intent will be just as easy and not really change the "can he be trusted?" feel about him, whether we know who he is or not.

Still, it would have changed the viewer's impression of interactions between Danaerys and Arstan/Barristan, and that's the part I'm not sure I'd have liked. Can't really explain why, though.


This also has me wondering how they'll change the siege of Meereen, since there won't be the combined reveal of Arstan's true identity and Jorah's informant past to get Danaerys all pissed.

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I finally got around to watching the first episode (second will most likely be tomorrow)

My only real complaint was about Selmy and his introduction. Daenerys was attacked by a child warlock, not a Sorrowful Man.

Also saw the first episode tonight. A lot of little things but nothing major. Didn't mind it so much as some were talking about - I guess it lacked a real bang and they are sticking with some simpler plot lines to keep the viewers OK with.

Shae is probably the most puzzling for me. Not sure what they are setting up with her and Sansa given what is going to happen.

I finally got around to watching the first episode (second will most likely be tomorrow)

My only real complaint was about Selmy and his introduction. Daenerys was attacked by a child warlock, not a Sorrowful Man.I was more concerned with Selmy using a blade. They could have at least kept him using his staff, the whole not using a sword until given one by his queen was mega badass level honourable.

I really don't understand some of the changes they're making. Sometimes it seems they're trying to dumb it down, but there was a shit tonne I didn't understand after watching the show that I did after listening to the audio books. Obviously book and film are vastly different mediums and much more detail and exposition can be done in writing, but dumbing it down would have been accomplished much more effectively by adding dialogue meant only for the viewer. (ie lines explaining shit that everyone in the scene would obviously already know)

Oh, definitely. I make the statement of "dumbing it down" when obviously it isn't because of the viewers but that you can relay loads of information in a few paragraphs like a book, so need to alter the story in many ways so the plot comes across. Just there are times when I think they make the too obvious choice or aren't trying hard enough to leave questions or mysteries that you could cultivate from the vast resource material.

Also,
Selmy was only using a knife in the first episode. So I don't have problems with that. If they make the point about the sword later.

Also,
Selmy was only using a knife in the first episode. So I don't have problems with that. If they make the point about the sword later.Yeah I was thinking the same thing, but I'm still displeased that they didn't just stick with the staff. In the end though it's just one of many meaningless, inconsequential changes they've made that I can't really argue against but still don't agree with.

Why the fuck is Summer so light?

Why the fuck is Summer so light?

Cause fuck humans, that's why.

You give the audience a lot of credit, ACt. I think a lot of viewers would be on the same page as Danaerys and have no idea who he is. Considering there are a boat load of characters introduced like all the time and the break definitely gave room for people to forget his face. If not for the like 5 minute recap in the beginning of the episode, I probably would have forgotten what his character looked like, to be honest. Having read the books, I would have known that it was him, but still. I think they might have been able to trick the audience for at least a moment.

Anyone else disappointed in Tyrion's ownership of a nose still? Or is that just me?

You didn't really expect them to disfigure him as detailed in the book on the show? Just seemed impractical from technical/popularity standpoint of having Peter Dinklage made up without a nose for the remainder of the series as well as brutally disfiguring the most popular character on the show. I will admit that them just scarring his face and then trying to pain him as horribly disfigured is disconcerting. That wound in my opinion looks more like a proud battle scar.

You didn't really expect them to disfigure him as detailed in the book on the show? Just seemed impractical from technical/popularity standpoint of having Peter Dinklage made up without a nose for the remainder of the series as well as brutally disfiguring the most popular character on the show. I will admit that them just scarring his face and then trying to pain him as horribly disfigured is disconcerting. That wound in my opinion looks more like a proud battle scar.

Personally, would have made it big and pussy. Really disgusting wound for this season, heal it up as you go. There's a level of grotesque that should be kept up.

I said it mostly in jest. I say mostly because I want them to keep to the book, but I didn't actually expect them get rid of his nose.

Not sure if this has already been posted: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CLCOvZOh1o

Pretty much how it feels in this thread having not read the books yet lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq0cxlnIAgo[/url] was cathartic after the incest, maiming/attempted murder of a child, generally ruthless killing, and murdering of family. Smug bastard has had it coming for so long."]I think Jaime is changing for the better, but man this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq0cxlnIAgo was cathartic after the incest, maiming/attempted murder of a child, generally ruthless killing, and murdering of family. Smug bastard has had it coming for so long.

Just watched episode 4, and holy shit, I gotta say that I expected little of the series, but this season really is delivering. The final scene in this episode is the best scene in the TV series no question.

I'm still two episodes behind on this season but already it's decent except for two things, one minor, one major.

Minor: Why is Ghost with Sam?!
Major: Now that I realize what they are setting up with Shae and Sansa, I hate it.

Whenever Shae or that other northern whore show up on the screen I have a GARGANTUAN urge to kick the monitor and break it as much as possible. I don't think there has been anything on any show ever that irritates me as much as those do. They are probably riding producers' dicks, it has to be, because they are such horrible actresses and one doesn't even exist in the fucking books. Can't find any other explanation seeing as how they have such a good cast.

Well, True Blood made me want to punch the screen too. And Spartacus. And Janice from The Sopranos. And Acaveda from The Shield. But these two hookers are simply blood boiling.

Edit: I realize I have a problem with anger, thanks.

Not a problem. A challenge. I have the same challange, my anger is just focused on humanity, instead of fictional characters. Humanity sucks. Full of complete and utter idiots, morons, fucktards and the likes. Makes me want to watch the world burn, just to get rid of them... Fire, oh sweet cleansing fire...


As I said, I have the challenge that is anger...

Whenever Shae or that other northern whore show up on the screen I have a GARGANTUAN urge to kick the monitor and break it as much as possible. I don't think there has been anything on any show ever that irritates me as much as those do. They are probably riding producers' dicks, it has to be, because they are such horrible actresses and one doesn't even exist in the fucking books. Can't find any other explanation seeing as how they have such a good cast.

Shae's actress was a porn actress. Just sayin'.

I know, and that can't be a coincidence.

Which one?

EDIT: never mind. I had google sitting right there.

Ok, I just got like, fucking mad, the way this episode (6) ended. That shit was so fucking american, I could puke all over it, eat the puke, and puke all over it one more time. I hate this classic american approach, and though it took them 2 seasons and 6 episodes to get there, it still motherfucking sucks. Other than that, still quite a dull episode...

Thoughts?

I was too busy being disappointed with the substantial changes I disagree with but for the life of me cannot remember at this current time.

I liked this season so far. Sure I have been following the books for 11 years and am a frenzied fan but considering the second season, this one is cool. A lot slower pace as it should be.

If you're treating it as a show in its own right rather than an adaptation, which is all I can do since I've not read the books, I think it's remained pretty consistent in good quality. Season 2 towards the end did feel rushed though, like with Winterfell getting burnt down offscreen with no real explanation.

Bran's story is moving at a painfully slow pace. Unless he will be of important value much later in the plot I really don't get why he exists. In the books is he an exposition device?

I mean, it would make sense if the Maester and his other guardians etc. were explaining magic or the history of the realm to him because he is a child. In the TV show there's not enough time to do any of that thoroughly though, so he just seems to sap time away from the other characters.

Bran's story is painfully slow in the books as well. It's good and I sense it is important but nothing ever seems to really happen with Bran.

They are really down-playing Bran's "abilities" in the show though, so I'm wondering where they're going with that.

DOUBLE POST because I see what the fuck they're doing with Gendry now.

Removing the character of Edric Strorm, which makes perfect sense and I am totally okay with.

Yeah STRORM motherfuckers because Richard's Red.