Well if kabuto doesnt take that soldier pill then i ll go for asuma.... may even after taking soldier he might not be able to defeat asuma but it would be good battle

kabuto would win imo. he is smarter than asuma so.... kabuto is also very strong, he showed more techniques than asuma, kakashi couldnt catch him when they were in the hospital. that time kabuto took out few anbus by himself. kabuto is stronger than asuma.

New fight!

Lee & Neji vs Itachi

I'm not crazy, just hear me out. >.>

PTS for all characters. Lee and Neji can use everything they've shown so far in the manga. Itachi has no Sharingan, nor his MS, so it's base Itachi.
So.... Itachi is a blind man without sharingan to help him see? Without sharingan means all Itachi has in terms of genjutsu is the low level finger type if you believe he can do that sort of thing. Considering the idea that Itachi would be considered legally blind without his sharingan I'd have to go with Lee & Neji.

Edit: Kabuto pwnz Asuma

kakashi, gai, yamato and asuma vs kakuzu and hidan

i say konoha jounins win. why didnt they all stick together team?

yeah konoha jounins will wipe them from face of earth .....

1 hokage vs 2 hokage

3 hokage vs 4 hokage

5 hokage vs kakashi

jairaya vs oro

sakura vs karin

wt do u thnk ppl

kakashi, gai, yamato and asuma vs kakuzu and hidan
The Konoha jounins should win the battle.

1 hokage vs 2 hokage

3 hokage vs 4 hokage

5 hokage vs kakashi

jairaya vs oro

sakura vs karin

wt do u thnk ppl
Shodaime would defeat Nidaime, Yondaime would defeat Sandaime, Kakashi would defeat Godaime, Jiraiya would defeat Orochimaru, and Sakura would defeat Karin.

kabuto vs kurenai
shikimaru vs hes father(got to see that)

kabuto would win over kurenai, kabuto is really cunning, he is too much for her.
i think shikamarus dad is stronger than shikamaru. i like him better than shika.

how about the third and kisame

Dont ask me how,but third wins.

ok
asuma vs iruka

ok
asuma vs iruka

lmao are u kidding me?Asuma by far.

Techinically he killed an akatsuki,coz if kakuzu wasn't there he'd have won.

Iruka is shit !

but we havent seen iruka fight as much as asuma we shouldnt underestimate him

Asuma is a Jounin with a squad under him. Iruka is a Chuunin teaching at the ninja academy. Thy are where they are for a reason. Asuma wins.

naruto is also still a gennin but he kicks ass

Naruto and Sasuke are an exceptions because they would have ranks that match their abilities if they were still constantly in the village: Jounin. But Sasuke left the village gaining the title of missing-nin while Naruto is busy training with Jiraiya, going on missions, and training with toad sages. They have no time to officailly earn a rank. But Iruka does. And he hasn't. If he had the ability of a Jounin, he has the time to offcially become one.

well i guess ur right.
ok then:
kiba and shino this has to be a good one.

kakashi, gai, yamato and asuma vs kakuzu and hidan

i say konoha jounins win. why didnt they all stick together team?
Hidan already killed off Asuma, so there's no reason to think he couldn't again. Kakuzu also already owned Kakashi pretty well, so that's a repeat performance. Yamato....I honestly think he'd go down also. He hasn't really shown anything impressive enough to take down Kakuzu, and what's he really going to do against Hidan? Yamato doesn't know what Hidan's ability is. I mean, if he did, he could easily just get his wood to pound Hidan into the ground. Otherwise, I can see Hidan using his scythe to break through Yamato's wood, and getting some blood. As for Gai, he'd be a bad matchup against Hidan. He just needs a drop of blood, and his weapon is built for close combat, which is what Gai is good at. Against Kakuzu, Gai would get owned. Iron Skin > Gai.

shizune vs kabuto.

Hidan already killed off Asuma, so there's no reason to think he couldn't again. Kakuzu also already owned Kakashi pretty well, so that's a repeat performance. Yamato....I honestly think he'd go down also. He hasn't really shown anything impressive enough to take down Kakuzu, and what's he really going to do against Hidan? Yamato doesn't know what Hidan's ability is. I mean, if he did, he could easily just get his wood to pound Hidan into the ground. Otherwise, I can see Hidan using his scythe to break through Yamato's wood, and getting some blood. As for Gai, he'd be a bad matchup against Hidan. He just needs a drop of blood, and his weapon is built for close combat, which is what Gai is good at. Against Kakuzu, Gai would get owned. Iron Skin > Gai.

maybe, but
asuma put some good moves against hidan, he was the only one of his team able to keep up with hidan taijutsu
kakashi was able to keep up with hidans taijutsu and blocked kakuzus lightning attack, kakashi was the only one of his team able to block elements and fight taijutsu at hidan level
yamato is strong
gai wouldnt give hidan a chance

all of that and they would do combos and strategy
it is a good chance to win

well i guess ur right.
ok then:
kiba and shino this has to be a good one.

everyone will say shino but i will say kiba

shizune vs kabuto.

i really think kabuto is strong, shizune would lose

maybe, but
asuma put some good moves against hidan, he was the only one of his team able to keep up with hidan taijutsuMoves which proved to be useless.

kakashi was able to keep up with hidans taijutsuNaturally, Kakashi has a 3 tomoe Sharingan. But does that matter much? Kakashi has nothing that will kill Hidan other than MS, which he won't use unless he's in serious trouble.

and blocked kakuzus lightning attackHe matched it with his Raikiri. Kakuzu has stronger elemental techniques.

kakashi was the only one of his team able to block elementsHe blocked one, and that was with his own S-Rank Raiton technique. Kakashi had chances to block other elemental techniques against Kakuzu, but didn't, because he didn't have strong elemental techniques to do so.

and fight taijutsu at hidan levelYou, kind of make it sound as though Hidan's level of taijutsu is Godly. It's really not, and it makes it even less impressive since Kakashi has the advantage of having Sharingan.

yamato is strongI never said he wasn't, but what honestly can he do here? Elementally, he'd get owned against Kakuzu. Yamato would be on the defense almost the entire time. Against Hidan, again, unless Yamato knows about Hidan's ability, there's really not much that'll help him here.

gai wouldnt give hidan a chanceWhy not? Gai magically knows what Hidan can do, and how he does it? Kisame gave Gai the chance to open six gates, I don't see why Gai wouldn't give Hidan the time to perform his ritual, especially since IC, Gai doesn't know what he does and how he does it.

all of that and they would do combos and strategy
it is a good chance to win
Like?

shizune vs kabuto.

ofcourse kabuto with soldier pill...

I like the yamato jonins etc v.s hidan and kakuza it's interesting... so let me add in my 2 cents too.

Yamato mathces up good with hidan ... asuma got hit when he was trying to stop hidan from harming the others ... guy taijutsu should not be underestimated under no circumstance at all so i wouldn't assume he would be easy pickings for hidan.

That being said i would say this how many of the guys can kakuza occupy so hidan can go ahead and do his thing ... i would say at most two kakashi and asuma maybe or kakash and guy ... don't forget hidan is a close to mid range fighter he really doesn't match up well at all vs yamato and striking him to draw blood i just don't see it.

?????????uh yeah!

present naruto vs present sasuke

if konoha jounins have no knowledge of the secret abilities of kakuzu and hidan then that puts them at a disadvantage, coz they could lets say raikiri hidan and kakuzu and think its over and then get a big surprise from behind.
but about combos.........its like gai and kakashi... gai fast hits his target and kakashi watches with sharingan and waits for the opportunity to raikiri
yamato captures with his wood and asuma cuts with his wind blades
kakashi sticks explosive tags on the tips of yamatos woods and then yamato expands those to find a target
there are four of them so im sure they (kakashi) would think something


present naruto vs present sasuke

present naruto looks stronger. if he would face sasuke with his real body then i say sasuke.
if he would make a lot of clones then naruto wins.

jiraiya vs tsunade.

jiraiya vs tsunade.

jairaya ofcourse ...if jairaya is really fighting not messing around or feeling distracted or whatever

jiraiya tsunade and orochimaru vs hidan kakuzu sasori and kisame.

jiraiya tsunade and orochimaru vs hidan kakuzu sasori and kisame.

legendary sanin.....if Oro and Jman can handle 4 tailed naruto then they can handle these 4 too...

anko vs chouji lol

anko vs chouji lol

anko...i think so....
thats a tough one really...:P

lol akamaru vs pakkun.

lol akamaru vs pakkun.

Akamaru....:D
Pakkun is not the fighting type...he said himself...:P

haku vs hinata.

I put my money on Hinata.

1st Hokage Vs Yamato :D

well i guess ur right.
ok then:
kiba and shino this has to be a good one.

Shino would easily beat Kiba as i think he is the better fighter.

shizune vs kabuto.

Shizune would put up a good fight since she already faced him once but i think Kabuto would win this one.

present naruto vs present sasuke

Of course present naruto since he is now stronger then Sasuke. Yeah Sasuke would put up a decent fight but in the end Naruto would win.

jiraiya vs tsunade.

As long as Tsunade keeps her boobs hidden then Jiraiya would win this one.

jiraiya tsunade and orochimaru vs hidan kakuzu sasori and kisame.

hmmmmm this would be a tough one. Yeah they are sannins but just sasori himself would put up a good fight with them. Yeah Sakura beat him but with the help of chiyo who knew him. You have oro who can bring back the hokages and then you have sasori who has a Kazekage puppet. Then you have jiraiya who can summon huge arse toads but then you have sasori who can make huge spikes or whatever they are come up. Not to mention his 300 puppet army or whatever. Plus with Sasori's attacks being poisoned based.

Even though Jiraiya and Oro kick arse i think im going to with hidan , kakazu , sasori and kisame. Im going to go against everyone else.


haku vs hinata.

I think haku can take hinata

I put my money on Hinata.

1st Hokage Vs Yamato :D

The first wins this one

jiraiya tsunade and orochimaru vs hidan kakuzu sasori and kisame.

You have alot of faith in the sannin ... considering that both kakuzu and sasori are orochimaru lvl if not better... remember the lad was gonna sneak attack sasori with kabuto not fight him straight up on that bridge

and kisame is right up there that man can change the whole field of play into something that favors himself ... "an island"

not to mention if one of the three happen to get an open wound by a three pronged scythe ... it's over

1st hokage vs yamato

r u serious? Well if this was supposed to be a real fight how come yamamato wasn't upfront and personal when the group ran into madara. He should have finished him off or atleast put up a good fight or something right??

Here's one Six paths v.s yellow flash

Lemme give u a little background on this one b4 ya'll get all excited and say yellow flash will tear him up. I give flash maybe 2 bodies tops b4 god realm figures out that flash needs to throw kanai's before he space/time jumps to a certain spot. From then on my man can repel the kanai's ... Let the chessmatch begin

lol akamaru vs pakkun.


akamaru
:)

anko vs chouji lol
:confused::confused::confused::confused:

anko


jiraiya tsunade and orochimaru vs hidan kakuzu sasori and kisame.


j-man will take on kakuzu & kisame
orochimaru will take hidan
tsunade will take sasori


jiraiya vs tsunade.
jiraiya no doubts

Here's one Six paths v.s yellow flash

Lemme give u a little background on this one b4 ya'll get all excited and say yellow flash will tear him up. I give flash maybe 2 bodies tops b4 god realm figures out that flash needs to throw kanai's before he space/time jumps to a certain spot. From then on my man can repel the kanai's ... Let the chessmatch begin

yellow flash for alot of reasons
one he's considered as the genius hokage

since the 4th was called a genius. I dont see him using the FTG right away. like every good tactician, he should figure out what hes up against. Test the bodies abilities and sort out the vunerable to the most vulnerable "strongets to weakest". After that, I could see minato throwing 6 kunia to take them all out at once "surprise attack". Im sure minato would realise his FTG can be figured out after being used two or three times.

As for god realms gravity. Since GR can use his gravity to force minatos kunai of course. I could see minato planting kunai in the ground, luring GR to where the kunai are, draw out GR's attack then summon himself to GR to deliver a killing blow.

Minato Pwns all IMHO!

interesting kan yellow flash ... ur obviously rooting for the fourth but respectably u do present a plausible argument

interesting kan yellow flash ... ur obviously rooting for the fourth but respectably u do present a plausible argument

Sorry about that, I skimmed through you post too fast and missread, my bad..:D

i would like to add in once yellow flash gets close to one doesn't mean it's automatically over ... given the field of vision aspect to pain's repitoire

I think it would be in G realm's best interest to preserve hell realm and keep the bodies coming

animal realm vs. the frogs = wash
human realm = total waste except another field of vision
demon realm = distraction ... very effective one at that
hungry ghost realm = don't think he can reach anything in time to absorb ninjutsu we r talking about the yellow flash so ... no

however i don't think one shinobi can take all six paths alone

ok next one ... anko vs kurenai ... two minor characters

sai vs shino

Shino's bugs would smell out Sai's ink if he tried to hide or eat Sai's drawings if they attacked.

Ino vs. 10-10

sai vs shino

shino...:D

now
kiba vs chouji

shino...:D

now
kiba vs chouji
Chouji. A sidestep > Kiba, so I'll assume a red pill will obliterate Kiba.

Next fight: Kakashi, Neji, and Yamato vs Kisame.

Kakashi has everything he's shown so far, and he fights IC, so he'll only bust out his MS to save someone's life, or if he's in serious trouble.

Neji also has everything he's shown so far, and is fighting OOC (meaning he'll actually fight smartly, unlike when he actually fought against Kisame with Gai).

Yamato will also use everything he's shown, excluding the whole, restraining the four tails bit. He fights IC, so he'll be a bit of offense and defense mixed in, mainly long range.

Kisame will show everything he's shown, and will fight IC.

The battle takes place at the Valley of the End. This Kisame is the one that was at 30%, but because we don't know everything that he can do at 100%, technique wise, I'll give him the advantage of having a great water source in the waterfall.

Shino's bugs would smell out Sai's ink if he tried to hide or eat Sai's drawings if they attacked.

Ino vs. 10-10

You can't put Ino with anyone.. i mean she would probably beat herself up.. im going with ten ten.

God has anyone noticed that ten-ten is nejis 3itch or is it just me...but umm...
sakura vs tsunade

Sakura wins lol, but serious u cant match sakura with tsunade lol.
I think we all know who wins.

Hidan vs Deidara

Sakura wins lol, but serious u cant match sakura with tsunade lol.
I think we all know who wins.

Hidan vs Deidara

Hiddan will end up just like he is now. "uselessly in peices". Art is a blast:D

Temari vs sai?

temari since she is jonnin and can blow of his drowing ^^

kankurou vs. kiba ??

Well, the standards for ninja ranking seem to be alot lower in the sand village. Plus, sai is danzous right hand which could make him the leader the anbu root division. I just dont think sai has shown us what he can really do yet. He can fight at any distance and seems to be pretty intelligent. I would give it to sai.

Lets say sai creates his Ink hawk and jumps on. He flys over and around tamari keeping attention on the sky. After that she looks up to see sai heading directly for her. she uses her fan to cutt down the hawk and sai, but it was an ink clone. Some ink snakes burst from under ground and wrap up tamari making her unable to move, "it seems sai planted them". Now that temari is unable to move sai can freely comeout from where he is hiding, attack and win the fight.

Hidan vs Deidara? You know, the funny thing is, several explosive tags did Hidan in. I wonder if C1 would do the same? :p

Yeah, Deidei wins this one, easy. And even if he doesn't know what Hidan can do, Dei still wins.

To the guy that actually matched hidan vs diedara ... r u serious??

Diedara was built to crush hidan ... that's like putting fire against water ... water will
win everytime man

deidra
hinata vs tenten

Diedra vs Hidan
diedra shd blow his head..that wud get rid of him for good...only his head is the thing that seems immortal ..so it shd be blown after all Art is a blast!! :D

Hinata vs Tenten

if hinata knows that chakra rotation spin (Heavenly Spin..its name is something like that) like neji then tenten's attack wud have no effect ....hinata can win...

Naruto "without Sage Mode, that would be murder" vs Shino?

how much chakra can shino bugs eat ?? if they take out all naruto's chakra..naruto will still have fox's chakra... naruto can win...

anko vs shizune

Anko all the way

Naruto vs Kisame? The toad sage vs the shark sage lol.

I say Naruto.

I think it would be a great fight. Still , Kisame has the advantage with his Samehada. It not only shreads the opponent, but eats his/her chakra as well. If Kisame were to use samehada onnaruto while hes powering up in SM, he could turn into a frog.

Heres my oppinion on how they size up.

Kisame and naruto both have super strength, godly amounts of chakra and powerful ninjutsu.

Well, I think its safe to say naruto will be alittle faster. Kisame was able to keep up with Gai at 30 percent.

Orochimaru and Itachi Vs Naruto and Sasuke

Have to go with Orochimaru and Itachi...forbidden jutsus which includes a Hokage summon(lol), and Itachi with genjutsu, taijutsu, and all those eye techniques?total win for them.

Itachi would just sacrifice himself and use sasunoo:D Oro and itachi wins:cool:

Gaara vs Sasori?

Im going with gaara.

Reason being : Nothing will get near him and he'll just crush all of sasoris puppets with waves of sand.

Thats the same thing I thought. Gaara could crush sasori and all of his puppets with his sand justu. The only reason diedara stood a chance is because he stays of the ground. Givng him a huge advantage.

Thats the same thing I thought. Gaara could crush sasori and all of his puppets with his sand justu. The only reason diedara stood a chance is because he stays of the ground. Givng him a huge advantage.

gaara will win....

but deidra also had the advantage of using clay....he mixed his clay withh gaara's sand...

Kimimaro vs Yamato?

kimimaro
yamato so far that i have seenin manga is useless

Kimimaro vs Yamato?

kimimaro is a bad match up for yamato. kimimaros bones can get through the wood element easily. but yamato is not without a chance here, yamato has shown that he has a control over water and earth so with some combination maybe yamato could do it. he couldnt win by force, kimimaro is resilient to physical attacks.
yamato should try to tire kimimaro out, not kill him with his wood attacks coz they would be ineffective after kimimaro goes cs2. see yamato should create wood to capture kimimaro and hinder his movement, like a big wooden ball. kimimaro would tear that wood with his bones. but maybe some pieces would get stuck on him coz his bones are spiky. then yamato should try to drown him in the mud. yamato can create mud by combining water and earth.

I vote for Kimimaro, but Yamato possibly could win.

kimimaro
yamato so far that i have seenin manga is useless
LMAO dude re-read the manga because Yamato can do things with his Doton & Suiton that make Kakashi look like a Chunin in comparison. This guy has a high level of chakra. Kimimaro has a self damaging ability all Yamato really needs to do here is restrain Kimi long enough to force roots down his eyes, ears, nose & mouth. Yamato has this in the bag.

Orochimaru and Itachi Vs Naruto and Sasuke

This one would depend if oro was healthy or not. If so i would say Oro and Itachi. Of course we have two sicklings going against two healthy younger people lol but even so i would still say oro and itachi cause even if they arent healthy they are still pretty strong and together i think would kick some arse.

Orochimaru and Itachi Vs Naruto and Sasuke
Depends on which versions we're using. Are you using current Naruto & Sasuke? Are you using sickly Orochimaru & Itachi?

Orochimaru is a great villain. But he isnt the reason for the victory IMO. I think Itachi could have taken Naruto and Sasuke himself.

Orochimaru is a great villain. But he isnt the reason for the victory IMO. I think Itachi could have taken Naruto and Sasuke himself.
You really think that? When in comparison to Itachi Sasuke has the healthier eyes & doesn't have aids? Not to mention that Sasuke now possess MS & knows all of Itachi's dojutsu? Or how about the idea that Naruto has been mentioned to have surpassed Kakashi, Minato, & Jiraiya? Orochimaru & Itachi were both STD victims in their deaths. Character versions are very much a factor in this fight.

Ok what about a healthy Oro and Itachi vs current Naruto and Sasuke?

lol yea that sounds better but i think naruto and sasuke r gonna get there asses handed to them taken away and handed to them again...naruto in sage cant go up a gaint a non crippled oro and itatci sasuke cant do shit against itatchi either so its like a 1 on 1 fight sasukie vs itatchi and naruto and oro...itatchi can pwn sasuke everyone... and oro can do some crazy shet... even if naruto goes super sage or super demon fox boy there's some freaky stuff Oro can do...like summon the first so he can contain naruto... no one fully knows what Oro can do...im just saying...
Now my question...Haku or Neji

chouji vs rock lee

LMAO dude re-read the manga because Yamato can do things with his Doton & Suiton that make Kakashi look like a Chunin in comparison. This guy has a high level of chakra. Kimimaro has a self damaging ability all Yamato really needs to do here is restrain Kimi long enough to force roots down his eyes, ears, nose & mouth. Yamato has this in the bag.

Usually i would avoid all possible arguments cause it be a pain in the assss but i disagree.

First off it's pretty weak to say he can do shit with dotan and suiton that make kakashi look like a chunnin haku could do the same and make itachi look like a gennin. This ability isn't skill it's bloodline effect kaakshi wasn't born with a bloodline yamato was infused with it plain and simple.

All yamato needs to do is restrain lol how the fuk are you gonna lay out a guy who survived garras desert buriel twice and imperial desert where garra sucked him down 200 feet below and crushed him.

This is the same kid who was actually able to dodge in mid air the only person that has done that so far is naruto and he did it with a kage bushin and i don't mean just dodge he literally dodge multiple fast attacks from garra's sand in the air as if he was flying.

Dotan won't do crap since garras sand didn't do jack shit and that sand can crush any normal human. suiton is even lamer in this case cause if earth can't do it water stands no chance/ wood lol easily breakable with his sword bone.

Sorry while i agree yamato's experience gets the fight it would be far from easy. this kid if still alive and healthy would probably be up there with orochimaru in terms of power and skill he was very skilled a true genius orochiamru even stated that kimimaru was the one he truly wanted as a host.

Fair enough it wouldn't be a simple walk in the park in that Yamato simply uses Doton to first sink Kimi (who wouldn't start in a CS form) & quickly rap his body in roots & go for the soft spots (eyes, ears, nose, mouth). I can see an actual fight taking place but Yamato is still going to win it.

i thnk yamato will win
and for chouji vs lee, its wud be lee i suppose

dude chouji blows!!!! ofcourse lee would win
!

Lee would win. End of story.

Sai vs Shikamaru

sai vs shikamaru

ill go with sai simply because i think sai is above shikamaru in taijutsu and ninjutsu and because sais unique ability makes it harder for shika to find a tactic against him. plus sai can fly on his ink bird and go out of reach.

kakuzu and deidara vs jiraiya

it could go either way.
jiraiyas sage mode was special and he would be faster than those two. but kakuzu is hard to kill and deidara at the same time can distract a lot with his bombs.
jiraiya could get them with one hit if he would pull out that giant rasengan. however those two would be hard to catch off guard.

kakuzu and deidra vs jairaya

well i ll go with jairaya. though it wud be a good fight...deidra is long range fighter..so i think jairaya shd call gamabunta to deal with him...he ll throw his water bullets on him...:P...

kakuzu and deidra vs jairaya

well i ll go with jairaya. though it wud be a good fight...deidra is long range fighter..so i think jairaya shd call gamabunta to deal with him...he ll throw his water bullets on him...:P...

IDK, if kakuzu and didara work together they might just take him.

Third hokage vs sasori?

IDK, if kakuzu and didara work together they might just take him.

Third hokage vs sasori?

i do not think they can work together.
kakuzu finds everbody annoying and he will not appreciate art which deidra really wants
so jairaya will win

3rd hokage vs sasori

3rd Hokage!!
no doubt
if a old hag and girl can defeat sasori then no way third hokage is losing.

Kakuzu and Deidara vs. Jiraiya...
Jaraiya will win for sure. He might be fatally wounded but definitely alive.

3rd Hokage vs. Sasori?
No Brainer, 3rd Hokage will win in less than half a day if he feels a bit lazy.

third hokage vs sasori

sasori could win this one. third hokage wasnt big on chakra. old chijo was probably one of the strongest in sand village and knew sasori so its no wonder she was able to beat him with help from sakura. still sasori is one on one pretty hard, his puppets are annoying and sarutobi wouldnt have the antidote. on the other hand i can see the monkey enma breaking the puppets like nothing and sarutobis fire breath was strong.
they both have equal chances imo.

kisame vs killer bee
i wanna go wud killer bee

this is hard becausse we havent really seen there full power. i would go with killer bee because he makes me laugh

how bout sai vs suigetsu

how bout sai vs suigetsu

We can't say because Suigetsu hasn't shown enough, but I'll go with Suigetsu to win. How about this ultimate Sage match-up:


- Sage Mode Naruto vs. Sage Mode Jiraiya

Sage mode Jman definitly. Well, only because of the differance in skill, not ability.

Wait! I am not so sure that J-man could servive a Sage powered Sexy Jutsu! If someone knows your weakness he/she is going to exploit it.

:D
sage mode jairaya
but that pervy really has a weakness and naruto is fully aware of it
:D

jman rulz

shino vs rock lee

jman rulz

shino vs rock lee

M going with shino....cant state any specific reasons for now (m feeling too sleepy :P ) but i think shino can win..

shino

rock lee vs sasuke ( time is preliminaries before 3rd stage of chunin exam)

rock lee vs sasuke ( time is preliminaries before 3rd stage of chunin exam)

rock lee wins, that one is easy

a new fight, this one is interesting.... old chijo, gara, yamato vs six peins

imo old chijo, gara and yamato win, they are quite strong...chijo is sannin of the sand village, gara is kazekage and yamato is upper jounin of konoha. i set it up so gara and yamato can protect chijo coz she is old, while at the same time they can all attack peins. puppets, wood clones, sand clones turn the difference in numbers in their favor.

it was chiyo
i read it as chouji first
pain will win
chiyo gaara and yamato will lose

shino

rock lee vs sasuke ( time is preliminaries before 3rd stage of chunin exam)

If your talking about when sasuke came out of the forrest of death. And he was worn out, cursed, couldnt use any justu. Yeah, I would say rock lee.

Gara vs sasori?

Gara vs sasori?

i think sasori will win...he will use that third kazekage puppet....yeah but if shukaku (if he is still in gaara) comes out ...then i dun know sasori will be able to handle him...but akatsuki members have beaten tailed beasts ...they are quite capable...yeah sasori will win....sasori wud have won against chiyo n sakura..but emotions clouded his judgement :P

sage naruto shadow clone vs old rock lee


gai vs drunk rock lee


kakashi and itachi vs sasuke and madara (right before itachi's death)

sasuke>itachi and madara>kakashi -> sasuke and madara wins is not allowed as it seems that itachi let sasuke win

sage naruto shadow clone vs old rock lee


gai vs drunk rock lee


kakashi and itachi vs sasuke and madara (right before itachi's death)

sasuke>itachi and madara>kakashi -> sasuke and madara wins is not allowed as it seems that itachi let sasuke win

old rock lee could win against one sage naruto shadow clone...it would be hard, but when old rock lee opens his gates he can get through narutos defense. when he does any damage to the clone rock lee wins. the question is would rock lee be able withstand the blow from sage naruto coz naruto would get the first hit.
gai would win, lee would be drunk. it would be interesting to see that.
sasuke and madara would win, but it would be a great fight. i trust that itachi and kakashi can work well together... on the other hand if its the madara from the time he lost to first hokage then itachi and kakashi could win.

it was chiyo
i read it as chouji first
pain will win
chiyo gaara and yamato will lose

sorry for the misspell, chiyo plus yamato plus gara could take down six peins. but they could also lose, it depends...gara and yamato can make a brick wall when they combine, they can make a bomb shelter. chiyos puppets on the other hand would be destroyed easily by yahiko, she would have to have a supply of them.

sage naruto shadow clone vs old rock lee


gai vs drunk rock lee


kakashi and itachi vs sasuke and madara (right before itachi's death)

sasuke>itachi and madara>kakashi -> sasuke and madara wins is not allowed as it seems that itachi let sasuke win

S.S.N clone vs old lee my bet is in the first one that will be able to hit the other one.

G vs D.Lee obviously Gai if he is serious.

K+I vs S+M this battle will be difficult but madara will win in the end. P.S. the battle should be K+I vs M because Sasuke will be kill in 5 secs is Itachi is serious.

S.S.N clone vs old lee my bet is in the first one that will be able to hit the other one.

G vs D.Lee obviously Gai if he is serious.

K+I vs S+M this battle will be difficult but madara will win in the end. P.S. the battle should be K+I vs M because Sasuke will be kill in 5 secs is Itachi is serious.

I know itachi didnt want to kill his brother, but if itachi had held back and not tried very hard than sasuke woulve wiped the floor with him. The point of that fight was itachi was trying to kick sasuke around and make him expend all of his chakra. However, it also took everything itachi had "including all of his chakra" to do so. Sasuke countered his tsukuyomi, amaterasu and even managed to get itachi with a shurikan.

Either way, sasukes not at itachis level just yet, but if he can master his MS then he might be there IMO.

I know itachi didnt want to kill his brother, but if itachi had held back and not tried very hard than sasuke woulve wiped the floor with him. The point of that fight was itachi was trying to kick sasuke around and make him expend all of his chakra. However, it also took everything itachi had "including all of his chakra" to do so. Sasuke countered his tsukuyomi, amaterasu and even managed to get itachi with a shurikan.

Either way, sasukes not at itachis level just yet, but if he can master his MS then he might be there IMO.

your right if sasuke master his MS he can be same or better than itachi(new better than old generation sh!t) so yes :rolleyes:

All 5 hokages vs Akatsukis

m going with hokages :D

All 5 hokages vs Akatsukis

m going with hokages :D

if the first have his *pets* then yes aka is own

All 5 hokages vs Akatsukis

m going with hokages :D

Hokages will win
1st can handle madara
2nd and third can handle pain
4th can handle all the rest

game over

shizune vs hinata

Despite Shizune having more experience, I'm going with Hinata.

shizune will win
one breath of her smoke bomb and hinata is done for good

For the current Shizune and Hinata, I guess Shizune has the advantage. But if their both at their peek, I would go for Hinata.

Shizune would beat Hinata. I'm sorry, but Hinata has shown nothing that would be a threat to someone like Shizune. >.> The only thing she's shown is that she can spot things, and that she can get God stomped by a non-trying Neji.

This should be more interesting, now that we have an idea of what the Pain paths are capable of.

Gaara, Kimimaro, Neji, and Gai vs Pain

Pein would win.

animal realm alone would give these guys a hell of a time.

The 2nd vs kisame

Sakura OHKO'd a summon, and SM Naruto's two URs were enough to put away two giant summons. I'm sure Gai and Gaara can handle the summonings. :p

Sakura OHKO'd a summon, and SM Naruto's two URs were enough to put away two giant summons. I'm sure Gai and Gaara can handle the summonings. :p

The centipede summon sure, but the rhino and the dogs i don't think so. It took SM Naruto and 3 elite toads to finish them off.

The centipede summon sure, but the rhino and the dogs i don't think so. It took SM Naruto and 3 elite toads to finish them off.My point is, if someone like Sakura could handle a summon easily like that, Gaara and Gai can do much more. I'm not saying Gai would stop the Rhino in it's tracks, but he's certainly capable of OHKO'ing it with gates. I'm also confident Gaara's huge sand, crushing attacks would do some real damage against the summons.

My point is, if someone like Sakura could handle a summon easily like that, Gaara and Gai can do much more. I'm not saying Gai would stop the Rhino in it's tracks, but he's certainly capable of OHKO'ing it with gates. I'm also confident Gaara's huge sand, crushing attacks would do some real damage against the summons.


Gaara lost Shukaku to AKA he won't as powerful as he used to be. Sure Gai could inflict a lot of dmg, possibly even KO a summon with his Gates opened but that would be a lot just to bring down a summon. Animal realm has a lot of them i still think they would be overwhelmed not to mention Animal realm can just summon the salamander and become invisible.

Gaara lost Shukaku to AKARight, I should have specified more. We're using pre-extraction Gaara, since we know nothing about post extraction Gaara.

Sure Gai could inflict a lot of dmg, possibly even KO a summon with his Gates opened but that would be a lot just to bring down a summon.How would that be a lot? It wasn't a lot for Sakura, and Gai >>>>>>>>>> her.

Animal realm has a lot of them i still think they would be overwhelmed not to mention Animal realm can just summon the salamander and become invisible.And once he's invisible, then what? His summons will still be getting OHKO'd and crushed to bits. That'd basically be a waste of Pain's own chakra.

If they have pre-extraction Gaara than their chances increase greatly.

Gai opening his Gates just to handle a summon would be a lot. He would be fried after his attack was done.

What do you mean Animal realm summon's would get KOed left and right ?? Both jiraya and Naruto brought thier best summons to the table to counter animal realm id like to see those guys produce summons of that caliber.

anyway since conditions for Gaara have changed I think its fair to add another Path. Animal realm and Deva would be more than enough.

If they have pre-extraction Gaara than their chances increase greatly.I agree. :p

Gai opening his Gates just to handle a summon would be a lot. He would be fried after his attack was done.I don't think he needs to open several gates. The dude is naturally strong, gates would be overkill for some summons. Besides, Gai didn't seem fried at all after using Morning Peacock, which used six gates.

What do you mean Animal realm summon's would get KOed left and right ??Exactly what I said. :p

Both jiraya and Naruto brought thier best summons to the tableJiraiya didn't bring his best summons against Pain. o_O Naruto did, even though I don't think he needed them.

to counter animal realm id like to see those guys produce summons of that caliber.You don't need summons to deal with summons. Sakura painfully proved that.

anyway since conditions for Gaara have changed I think its fair to add another Path. Animal realm and Deva would be more than enough.
The conditions didn't change, I simply forgot to give more information. Deva, is that God Realm?

I agree. :p

I don't think he needs to open several gates. The dude is naturally strong, gates would be overkill for some summons. Besides, Gai didn't seem fried at all after using Morning Peacock, which used six gates.

Exactly what I said. :p

Jiraiya didn't bring his best summons against Pain. o_O Naruto did, even though I don't think he needed them.

You don't need summons to deal with summons. Sakura painfully proved that.


The conditions didn't change, I simply forgot to give more information. Deva, is that God Realm?

In the Gaara rescue arc after Gai busted fake kisame with morning peacock they had to stop and rest. Opening the gates take a huge toll on the user Gai is no exception.

Gamaken is an elite toad, clumsy but very powerful. He is one of the best

Sakura KOed the centepede, That was a lesser summon. The twin cerberus and rhino are much more powerful, not to mention the other ones animal realm can bring to the party.

Gaara still having the shukaku is a big change regardless if you forgot to mentioned.

Yes Deva is God realm.

In the Gaara rescue arc after Gai busted fake kisame with morning peacock they had to stop and rest. Opening the gates take a huge toll on the user Gai is no exception.Where exactly, in the manga, do you see Gai taking a rest due to that attack? I just read through towards the end of the fight, to where they get to the Akatsuki cave, and I saw no point in which Gai had to rest.

Gamaken is an elite toad, clumsy but very powerful. He is one of the bestHe had self esteem issues, and was only there to buy Jiraiya time. I hardly call him one of the best, and he's hardly shown it.

Sakura KOed the centepede, That was a lesser summon.So you're saying Pain chose to use a weak summon?

The twin cerberus and rhino are much more powerful, not to mention the other ones animal realm can bring to the party.They're shown to be much more powerful because they weren't OHKO'd right off the bat the way Sakura did. Naruto quickly disposed of those others also, after they showed what they can do.


Yes Deva is God realm.IC, he won't use Shinra Tensei unless he's out to prove his justice, or to wreck a village, so he won't be using it against these guys.

gara, kimimaro, neji and gai could take four paths down. kimimaro, neji and gai fight close range and that is the only disadvantage for them. i dont think they could beat all six at once.
lets say the four paths they are fighting against are fat pein, summoning pein, robotic pein and the pein that does the reviving. gara, gai, neji and kimimaro are either equal to each of those peins or above them in ability.
gara would be in charge of defense by creating sand shields for himself and his team if needed. he could also attack with it. gara showed how much sand he can control and its impressive.
kimimaro in cs2 would not get hurt by summons, or by anything peins have coz his body is harder than metal.
gai with six gates opened would be too fast for them. in fact gai, when he has six gates opened, is faster than sage naruto.
neji is maybe the most vulnerable coz he doesnt have sand armor or bone armor and he is not as fast as gai. but neji has 360 degree field of vision and there is no surprising him. also neji would win in a taijutsu fight against pein.

Also, Pain doesn't know what Gai is fully capable of. Who's to say Gai simply doesn't go six gates when pressured and OHKO summoner Pain? Summoner won't use his salamander either unless presented with certain situations, so...

now that i think about it, gai and gara alone could do those four peins.

EDIT: we said before that the fight is yahiko and summoner pein vs gai, kimimaro, gara and neji.

yahiko aka god pein is the only problem here, summoner not so much. those pein summons are huge and gara would stab through them with his gigantic sand impaler, no problem there.
gravity explosions and pulling forces that yahiko pein does are troublesome. but if gara stays behind, gai, kimimaro and neji go forward then and destroy the summoner body.
gara provides protection from behind with the sand.
but if gravity pein decides to guard summoner by staying close to him and blasting enemies away then they just send cs2 kimimaro as bait, when kimimaro gets blasted gara can impale yahiko pein with his sand from underneath.

Neji and Kimi would be utter nightmares to the one or two Paths that are weak against taijutsu, and summons are taken care of.

Though, I think Rocket Pain would be real trouble for Gaara and Kimi.

why would rocket pein be trouble for gara and kimi, they both have hard defense? i heard something that rocket pein has lasers, if thats the case then he might be trouble.

This is the problem with debating who would be beat what. Its nothing but assumptions and you guys are just spounting about what IF ??

All i can say is Pein killed Salamander hanzou ( who beat Oro, Jiraya and Tsunade ) and he killed HM jiraya. Both fighters whom are far superior that the team you came up with.

But with Gaara Having the Shukaku as a condition they have a chance. not a good one but w/e.

This is the problem with debating who would be beat what. Its nothing but assumptions and you guys are just spounting about what IF ??Yes, but those What If's are sometimes backed up. ;)

All i can say is Pein killed Salamander hanzou ( who beat Oro, Jiraya and Tsunade ) and he killed HM jiraya.A>B>C logic doesn't always work, and it doesn't here either, since A) we don't know what Hanzo was capable of, and B) The Sannins weren't even at their peaks.

Yes, but those What If's are sometimes backed up. ;)

A>B>C logic doesn't always work, and it doesn't here either, since A) we don't know what Hanzo was capable of, and B) The Sannins weren't even at their peaks.

well this *this sometimes they're backed up * scenario ain't happening here.

That goes both ways. Can you prove that Gai,kimimaro,neji and Gaara team is superior to a young Oro, jiraya and tsunade squad ??

Salamander Hanzou was known all over the shinobi world at the time as one of the top dogs. Im taking what the maga says about him at face value, the same way i do Madara. The same can't be said about anyone in your team.

No, I can't prove that a team of young Sannin who weren't at their prime are > Gaara, Kimimaro, Neji, and Gai. :p Since we never technically saw what they could do during that time, but I can make assumptions (reasonable ones) that Jiraiya didn't have HM, Oro didn't have things like Edo Tensei, extreme regeneration, and his body transfer technique, and Tsunade never had Genesis Rebirth. If they had those things, I highly, HIGHLY doubt that they would have lost to Hanzo.

i will just add that gara is a kazekage and gai, kimimaro and neji are strong jounin level.
they are very strong, still maybe they could not beat all six peins because that is a very difficult task but they could take on at least four bodies.
gara is the strongest in that group.

You know, I'm over here arguing, and I never even gave my opinion on which side would win. xD

Jiraya trained with the toads from a young age, way before he fought hanzou so its more than possible that he had HM at the time since they never showed him back at myobokuzan as an adult. Oro not having Oral rebirth, ill let that slide. But than again They lost. Hanzou is like hashirama, we know he is a beast of a nin but we have no idea what he can do. Hell throw madara in that pile. So all we can do is take what the maga says at face value, neither of us can provide hard evidence.

Gaara was named Kazakage so the counsil could keep him on a leash. He doesn't have the shukaku anymore so most likely his powers have dropped severly. But for the sake of the Match he has the shukaku in this scenario.

Eh, this has gotten too messy, with too much speculation from all of us. >.>

Here's one:

SM Naruto and MS Sasuke vs Jiraiya and Itachi. :p

I'm sure at full force, the right team would rape the left team, so I'll have to handicap'em.

Jiraiya cannot use HM, and Itachi can only use Tsukuyomi. This fight is relatively IC, besides the fact that they have no reason to fight each other.

kishi said that gaara still has his sand powers btw

^yes, gara is still strong, we just dont know how much chakra he has...


Eh, this has gotten too messy, with too much speculation from all of us. >.>

Here's one:

SM Naruto and MS Sasuke vs Jiraiya and Itachi. :p

I'm sure at full force, the right team would rape the left team, so I'll have to handicap'em.

Jiraiya cannot use HM, and Itachi can only use Tsukuyomi. This fight is relatively IC, besides the fact that they have no reason to fight each other.

dont handicap jiraiya and itachi, whats HM?

jiraiya and itachi would win so hard....it would be a good fight for a couple of seconds

dont handicap jiraiya and itachiWhy not? While Sasuke is touted to have better eyes than Itachi, or potential to, that remains to be seen. And while Naruto mastered something Jiraiya couldn't, Jiraiya is still more versatile with his techniques.

whats HM?Hermit Mode. It's Jiraiya's inferior form. Naruto has SM, Sage Mode, because he's been stated to be a true sage.

jiraiya and itachi would win so hard....it would be a good fight for a couple of seconds
Seconds? Dayum.

haku vs neji

Which Neji? This one's tough, if we're using BTS Neji. I'm not too sure if his body movement speed is fast enough, though his striking speed is. If we're using PTS Neji, then Neji rapestomps.

Sasori & Deidara vs Itachi & Kisame

itachi and kisame

Itachi & Kisame...

Well I think Itachi is smarter and more experienced. Seeing that Kisami heed's his command without question:

Kisame is also one of the few members of Akatsuki that gets along well with his partner. Kisame has a loyalty to Itachi, willing to take any commands he gives without complaints and constantly looks out for his well-being. Although Kisame does have his pride, he acknowledges Itachi as the stronger of their duo. Still he seems to like mocking and questioning Itachi on occasion, such as commenting on how he sounded a little sad about Orochimaru almost destroying the Leaf Village.

taken from:
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Kisame_Hoshigaki

seeing how he loves battles its a big surprise that he acknowledges itachi being stronger

Kisame must respect him very much to not question any command that Kisami gives

"..After Itachi orders Kisame to kidnap Kakashi and kill Asuma and Kurenai, Might Guy arrives and kicks an attacking Kisame in the face (to which Kisame resents to this day). Following Guy's arrival, Itachi orders Kisame to retreat, not wanting to start a war..."

based on:
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Kisame_Hoshigaki

His shark-like qualities carry over to the type of techniques he uses in battle, as he often shapes bodies of water into the forms of sharks that proceed to attack opponents.

<Is it possible that he is a Sage? so powerful that the form doesn't leave him?>

Kisame is also noted to have a particularly large amount of chakra in his reserves (Karin states she has never seen so much chakra in one place), though it is unknown how much he can use.

How much is "so much"?

Even when he fights at 30% power in one instance his chakra supply is compared to that of a Nine-Tailed Demon Fox-enhanced Naruto Uzumaki during the Chunin Exams.

**Note**
if an Akatsuki acknowledges the other one, they usually mean it:

Pain has also stated that Kisame has the largest chakra reserve in all of Akatsuki.

could it be that Kisame is stronger than? Pein?
and its compared during at that time when it was till Chunin Exams,

(is it the Chunin Exams time of Naruto?)

if so, that could mean that Naruto (in an enhanced Kyuubi form) is WAY stronger that Pein!

Prediction and Speculation:

If Naruto uses his Kyuubi, Pein will be pawned. for next issue's prediction: Pein beats the hell of Naruto.

and for 434 issue prediction: Naruto uses the 9tail as a last resort and pawns Pein bodies.

435 predicition: Naruto vs Nagato

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/naruto/images/thumb/0/04/Nagato.JPG/180px-Nagato.JPG
OH SHIT!!!

sakura vs temari

sakura is chunin and temari is jounin...we havent seen temari fight after post time...so m going for temari

haku vs neji? haku pre chunnin exams, post, i think neji will own him

sasori+deidara vs itachi+kisame? sasori can give itachi a run for his money potentially, against kisame, he would have a hard time, deidara would lose to both. so im going for the itachi and kisame duo.

sakura vs temari? if sakura is fast enough she will beat down temari. temari is more of a long range fighter with aoe attacks. sakura needs to dodge them, if she can, fight's over, sakura wins.

temari would win against sakura, sakura doesent have a chance to come close to temari.
maybe after sakura learns some new jutsus, like genjutsu or elements.

Temari would win. sakura doesn't have alot of Jutsu's she can counter Temari with. and Pre-Chunnin? without the training with Tsunade?! i don think Sakura could win...

Haku is good in battling in environments and with quick jutsu's
but Neiji can see through them with Byakugan. Although Neiji is not so experienced with environmental fighting, Neiji can see an attack from afar.

so I think Haku would win if he'd dish out a strategy to blind Neiji. hehe

remember Haku trained with Zabuza?

" Zabuza then trained Haku in the ways of shinobi, as well as every fighting technique that he knew..."
taken from http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Haku

and Kakashi had a hard time defeating him if not for his Sharingan?

Dude, stop double- and trippleposting, honestly >_>

I think Neji would win against Haku, as long as he can use his ultimate defence ice element wouldn't work against him, it would brake in no time.

In top of that Haku has no chance in close range fighting Neji, as long as Haku can't keep distance it would be troublesome.

neji could win, but if haku traps him in ice mirror cage then haku wins.

haku vs rock lee

haku would win if he can destroy lee before lee opens up his gates.once lee opens up, it's over

rock lee would win once he openes the gates, haku is not that fast.

Well, Haku would since Rock Lee just wouldn't use the gate of the bat, but if he did, then Haku's done.

I think you all are underestimating lees speed with his weights off and overestimating hakus Ice mirror jutsu. All lee would has to do is use his speed to escape the mirrors that surround him. After that, haku would have to abandon his mirrors to keep fighting thus draining more chakra by making more. So, if lee can keep out of hakus jutsu. He can wear him down without even having to resort to the forbidden lotus.

I give this one to lee.

I think you all are underestimating lees speed with his weights off and overestimating hakus Ice mirror jutsu. All lee would has to do is use his speed to escape the mirrors that surround him. After that, haku would have to abandon his mirrors to keep fighting thus draining more chakra by making more. So, if lee can keep out of hakus jutsu. He can wear him down without even having to resort to the forbidden lotus.

I give this one to lee.

u have a good point.
unless haku makes the mirrors and then enters them, and then aims for lees vitals coz he didnt do that agains naruto and sasuke.
lee could lose.
but lee is very fast even without gates..

I think you all are underestimating lees speed with his weights off and overestimating hakus Ice mirror jutsu. All lee would has to do is use his speed to escape the mirrors that surround him. After that, haku would have to abandon his mirrors to keep fighting thus draining more chakra by making more. So, if lee can keep out of hakus jutsu. He can wear him down without even having to resort to the forbidden lotus.

I give this one to lee.

u have a good point.
unless haku makes the mirrors and then enters them, and then aims for lees vitals coz he didnt do that agains naruto and sasuke.
lee could lose.
but lee is very fast even without gates..

I understand both of your posts, but I'm looking at the fight on a more realistic basis. If Haku and Lee were to fight, most likely, Haku would be the one to use his trump card first (which is kekkai genkai jutsu). Haku was better than Zabuza (who was pretty fast himself), so it wouldn't just be completely one-sided fight. Once Haku uses his strongest jutsu, he's not going to allow Lee to take off the weights. On top of that, Haku could just hide within the mirrors to regain his stamina. How would Lee stop or survive a jutsu that only the Kyuubi's power has been shown to stop? I really don't see it.

ur right, lee doesent take his weights right away and that would cost him a victory.
lee is stronger in taijutsu even with his weights on and haku would be loosing.. then haku would have to use his strongest move, the mirrors, and kill lee with few needles if he aims right.
but if lee would make a taijutsu combo he could ko haku and lee wins.
so, lee is overall stronger i think.

haku will win

gaara vs kakashi (pre time skip when naruto defeated gaara, kakashi doesnt have any toad summon)

I understand both of your posts, but I'm looking at the fight on a more realistic basis. If Haku and Lee were to fight, most likely, Haku would be the one to use his trump card first (which is kekkai genkai jutsu). Haku was better than Zabuza (who was pretty fast himself), so it wouldn't just be completely one-sided fight. Once Haku uses his strongest jutsu, he's not going to allow Lee to take off the weights. On top of that, Haku could just hide within the mirrors to regain his stamina. How would Lee stop or survive a jutsu that only the Kyuubi's power has been shown to stop? I really don't see it.

your forgeting how passive haku is. Even if haku managed to use his Ice mirror jutsu and hit lee in point that immoblise him. Haku would hold back and not strike a vital point. Also,If Im not mistaken. lee opening up the gate of life heals him and would give him the brute power to smash through hakus mirrors and smash haku as well.

I still think lee would win IMO.

rock lee vs haku

m going with rock lee, he can break those mirrors easily


gaara vs kakashi

m going with gaara (i dun know how kakashi ll beat shukaku without toad)

Rock Lee vs Haku
i go with lee. He is fast even with weights, and when haku will try to use the mirrors lee wont wait/sit in one spot. Taijutsu is based also on speed, not only on raw power. He will try to get in an open place where he can use his skills to full potential. I dare to say he could take down Haku even without forbiden jutsu. He doesnt have to smash the mirrors, he just needs to get away from them.

Gaara vs Hatake Kakashi
I go with Kakashi. Gara has a lot of chakra, powerful ninjutsu and is smart, but he is weak in hand to hand combat. Ok he can tank a lot of damage but, Kakashi can outsmart him and get close enough to use close range ninjutsu to pound gara's sand till the shell/armor craks.
He can also use ms to zap part of gara's enchanted sand in another dimension (that will be funny), then he will use his speed to outrun the remaining sand.
Also he cold try to fight on par with gara useing ranged ninjutsu. Gara has a lot of chakra but Kakashi even before timeskip is a powerfull ninjutsu user.

what about Sasori vs Maito Gay ? (sry if it is already disscused i have read only about 30 pages of this thread)

Gaara vs kakashi?
kakashi has a toad?or have i misread badly? anyways, i will go for Gaara pre timeskip, i mean he is wretched before he was turned on around by naruto and would be very brutal in fighting anyone.Kakashi doesn't show any signs of having MS during that time so he wont be able to zap gaara's "enchanted" sand to outer space.plus if Gaara released shukaku, There is no way a PreTimeSkip Kakashi be able to handle a jinchuriki when released.

what about SAI VS KONAN? has it been discussed already? i would go with Sai because if Konan uses her paper jutsu, Sai will only paint on it with his brush,lol.

before time skip kakashi is above gara, gara was never hurt by anyone at that time but kakashi would chidori him. garas sand defense wouldnt work on kakashi. the only thing kakashi has to fear is that he doesent get trapped in the sand.
gara is dangerous but kakashi could avoid the sand and chidori him. if lee almost beat gara at that time kakashi would have done it in that one hit.

sasori vs gai - gai would be destroying all 100 puppets singlehandedly. gai would prob get poisoned in the process, so its either a draw or a win for sasori. but gai has a chance.

sai vs konan - ill say konan coz she is akatsuki.

sasori vs gai? id say sasori would own gai. gai is faster than sakura i believe, but sakura has been trained to avoid attacks thus have high agility, Gai seems to have speed but not agility because his taijutsu is crude unless he has the same drunken style of lee.. but he will one way or another get hit by sasori's poison attacks and without anyone helping him one on one, gai will surely be defeated.

He can also use ms to zap part of gara's enchanted sand in another dimension (that will be funny), then he will use his speed to outrun the remaining sand.

"]I don't think Kakashi is as fast as Rock Lee to penetrate the Sand. IF he has the Shukaku. Gaara had the Shukaku all his life I don't think he has any good jutsu's that the Shukaku is there to share the Chakra. Though he still can manipulate I don't think it is still the same as intense as before.

I go with Kakashi. Gara has a lot of chakra, powerful ninjutsu and is smart, but he is weak in hand to hand combat. Ok he can tank a lot of damage but, Kakashi can outsmart him and get close enough to use close range ninjutsu to pound gara's sand till the shell/armor craks.

"]Kakashi can get close. Kakashi can outsmart him but given that with the Shukaku acting as a Sphere like Substance revolving around gaara and not only that with his Armor surrounding his body...I don't think any attack can Penetrate Gaara without him noticing the whole time he's armor is being attacked continuously.

I'm not saying Kakashi isn't that GOOD. But Gaara's defence were that GOOD also.

If kakashi has Lee's speed. that would be different

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Sasori and Guy?

"]I'd really love to say Guy would win, but Gai isn't smart. So was sakura compared to Kakashi but still Gai seem stupid. So with a surprise of different hidden puppets...:

Sasori claims to have a collection of 298 Human Puppets, 103 of which he actually displayed. -http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Sasori

no matter how fast and strong Gai gets with his gates. How can he avoid 298 puppets armed with hidden traps and poisons?

I give this to Sasori

i made a misstake by not editing the post and deleting that statement. Cuz pre-timeskip Kakashi had only 2coma sharingan.... anyway about the speed, you should weight the other factor, deriveing from this situation too, the sand. If he does succeed in eliminateing some of the sand , then Gaara will have to use some normal sand to(not the one from the gord), witch is slower in response to Gaara's comands.

As for "Cracking the shell"
http://www.narutocentral.com/manga.php?s=naruto&c=113&p=15
Sasuke did it with chidori+taijutsu(Gaara tried to defend but... ). Why cant Kakashi do it ?

Sasori vs Gai. Well a battle of brute strenght. Ok Gai cant dodge like Sakura, but he is a great taijutsu user, cant run like Lee, but he is close to its speed (he stated that it finds it hard sometimes to keep up with lee). Also his hits cout(he hits hit hard ;) ) he might just 1hit/pupet all the pupets then he will go to Sasori.
Sasori has lots of pupets, right, but i dont think he will use more that 100 at the same time. Still the sheer number + the hidden weapons + the fact he is very smart(wtf he must control lots of pupets, so he cant be as dumb as Choji), and of course THE POISON...
I am still undecided, as the argument u brought(lots of pupets) is the main reason why i chosen Sasori as Gai's enemy.

Sasori vs Gai? Hm. IC? Double hm. Gai would try and size up Sasori. Gai is fast, but I'm not sure if he'd be able to dodge all of Sasori's poisonous attacks. Though I do think that Gai, with six gates or so, would tank those attacks and render them useless. If Gai manages to dodge Sasori's first attacks that use poison, and he figures out what they are, then I can see him resorting to opening gates. But after that, there's the issue of Sasori's true form, and the third Kazekage. Iron Sand and so many puppets....I can see Gai easily overwhelmed.

Sasori wins, but if Gai fights OOC, he wins.

Sasori hands down.
Gai is fast but so are Sasori's fingers. He can maneuver his puppets at ridiculous speeds. Also people need to understand that opening the gates is not an *I-win-button* for Gai or lee. Its a last resort move that doesn't last a long time and is pretty much a 1 shot deal.

Based on Sasori's battle capabilities, the sheer amount of tricks in his bag i doubt Gai would stand a chance. Hell Gai would be stomped by Hiruko alone. The only reason Sakura was able to shatter him was Chiyo's knowledge of the puppet prior to the fight.

Long story short Gai loses.

...opening the gates is not an *I-win-button*...
why not?
if Sasory can use all his triks why cant Gai do it also ?
Yes the opening of the gates renders him unable to fight for a while but is no like he has to save those dear to him right after the fight(so he needs to be in top shape).Its 1v1 vs a powerfull oponent who must die.
As for Sasori, well imo it all depends on the order in witch he uses his atacks.

why not?
if Sasory can use all his triks why cant Gai do it also ?
Yes the opening of the gates renders him unable to fight for a while but is no like he has to save those dear to him right after the fight(so he needs to be in top shape).Its 1v1 vs a powerfull oponent who must die.
As for Sasori, well imo it all depends on the order in witch he uses his atacks.


L2read.

I said Opening the Gates is not an * i-win-button* move because its not an *i-win-button* move. They have to finish the opponent with primary lotus/morning peacock or they're pretty much screwed afterwards.
There are tons of clone/replacement techs that can counter taijutsu.

L2read.

I said Opening the Gates is not an * i-win-button* move because its not an *i-win-button* move. They have to finish the opponent with primary lotus/morning peacock or they're pretty much screwed afterwards.
There are tons of clone/replacement techs that can counter taijutsu.

true, opening of the gates it's just the prerequisite for the *i-win" imo (still we have gaara vs lee ... )

Anyway i feel bad cuz kishimoto didnt create more situations in witch he could show us how taijutsu performs against equal rank ninjutsu (we just got this till now: #1 hit ur oponent, #2 use 2,3cool looking moves but not to often #3 repeat #1 till u win). i would realy like to see more subtility in taijutsu like in ninjutsu(still ninjutsu is one of the "things" that makes Naruto a great manga).
Also i realy hate that we havent seen most of the other characters in Naruto fight "for real". (i would realy like to see how they perform, + this would make a good basis on witch we could build our opinions)

PS: on paper(databooks) Sasori would win this easy (but then again we have Naruto vs Neji ... )

That is if he can realize. Sorry but I feel like Gai doesn't think way beyond what he wants in a fight. If Gai wants to trick the enemy that is all there is to it. There is no deeper strategy to have plan B or if B fails plan C. He just uses all the gates and boom!

Gates really doesn't guarantee an I win outcome. (Dagoro1988)! I agree to that. Even if He has the gates opened with the type of humanoid dolls using Jutsu's like Iron Sand combined with Poison... He has to defeat 298 types of puppets. AAAnd he doesn't have knowledge to any of it. Even if he has, he's bot one to think like Chiyo. He doesn't even have an antidote.

I'm sorry but unless Gai can defeat 298 puppets (each hidden and armed with poisons and with different unique Jutsu's) I don't think even he can last long with his gates.

I don't see him winning. Even for a slightest chance on a 1 on 1 fight with Sasori (More like 298 on 1).

sasori vs kisame

Kisame's ability to produce a lake ( lol) would be a pain in the ass but i still put my money on Sasori based on what i've seen from Kisame. I bet he has powerful long range water jutsu but Sasori is at his best at mid-to long range combat.

i wud ve wanted 2 vote for sasori bt i think kisame can outlast him in terns of chakra and strength

I'm going with Kisame on this one since we still don't know how powerful he really is, but we do with Sasori.

I'm going with Kisame on this one since we still don't know how powerful he really is, but we do with Sasori.

Same here.
Kisame will force Sasori to fight in his element, water, and will win easy imo.

PS: on paper Sasori would own Kisame.

What about Jiraya vs Sasori ?

Sasori vs Kisame? Sasori would win imo, Kisame is an easy target, even gai can kick him in the face. with a lot of puppets all of them armed with poison, the sharkman will die of poisoning in his cold blood.

Sasori vs Jiraiya? Jiraiya on Toad Sage mode?that means including pa and ma frog? if that's the case, jiraiya can win by overwhelming all the puppets sasori has in store bye powerful jutsus. but jiraiya stand alone might have difficulty. the poisoned attacks are what makes Sasori difficult to beat in my opinion, aside from the sheer number of puppets,poison is his best kill. sure jiraiya has barrier jutsus involving his hair. but he will have difficulty with plenty of poisoned attacks from the puppets because he is quite big in stature and so is abigger target.difficult but jiraiya might still win this one just by spamming powerful massive damage jutsus to sasori's puppets.

Sasori vs shino?

Sasori vs shino?

joke right? chuunin vs high rank jounin?

sasori is popular...
first on sasori vs kisame - kisame wins by creating an ocean, he can use water for offense and defense, but sasori has decent chances for winning.

sasori vs jiraiya - jiraiya could win, but jiriaya could also lose...jiraiya has techniques to kill a lot of puppets in one shot. like creating a lake of oil and then setting it on flame, when he is sage the he has giant rasengan, he could break through iron sand with that..but he should be careful not to get scratched.

sasori wins against shino...shino could fight against one puppet, but against 100, or kazekage puppet its too much. still, shino being smart, shino would target the puppet master with his bugs, also his bugs eat the the chakra strings so puppet master loses control of his puppets. shino could trace sasori using his bugs.

Sasori vs shino
true shino has the means of beating sasori but his skils are not instant
yeah he sends his bugs to envelop sasori's hearth but the bugs dont teleportz wtf they have to get there first. the question is: what does shino do till he has his bugs in place?
can he tank/dodge/ deflect all sasori's attacks ? well imo no he cant.

LMAO !!!

Sasori vs Shino ?
are we serious here ?? a chunin vs a Kage lvl opponent. Man that was rich !!!

joke right? chuunin vs high rank jounin?
pff i said this but ppl kept discusing this ...

we are agreeing that shino has the attack that can counter sasori - his bugs follow and eat chakra strings, but shino wouldnt last long coz of all the attacks sasori has.
so here is a question - team shino with someone who can do defense while shino is releasing his bugs.

sasori wins against shino...shino could fight against one puppet, but against 100, or kazekage puppet its too much. still, shino being smart, shino would target the puppet master with his bugs, also his bugs eat the the chakra strings so puppet master loses control of his puppets. shino could trace sasori using his bugs.

He's a KAGE level. Why are we even discussing who would win?

Lol man im sorry but some of the arguments posted here are absolutely ridiculous. This is Sasori we're talking about not some low lvl jounin that gets beat by genin as some have in the past.
The guy took out iron sand kazekage, has almost 300 puppets under his command. Yet the argument is that Shino ( lol ) can counter the man. Shino can have his team with him it wouldn't make a difference. The initial barrage from Sasori would be enough to wipe them out. As i said before the only reason he was defeated was because he ran into the wrong pair. Chyo with her extensive knoledge of puppet combat and Sakura who had antidotes which kept them alive.

What about Shino vs Choji?

What about Shino vs Choji?

Shino wins.

Chouji is one of the worst ninja in the series. He is slow, his techs pretty much require the target to be almost stationary. Sure if he hits his target he can inflict a lot of dmg but again he is seriously slow.

Shinos ability to battle mid-to long range would give him a huge advantage.

true, but what about the Akimichi pills?

true, but what about the Akimichi pills?

those are hax.
If chouji gets to use the pills than its only fair that shino be allowed a Megazord to counter chouji's *i am giant* techniques.

Megazord O_o lol ?

powerrangers right?(my little brother watches that lol )

^
^ or a summon... maybe hes able to summon a big ass cockroach to help him fight

shino should be able to beat chouji, shino is long range and chouji is close range, if that makes any sense.

shino and yamato vs sasori

i think shino and yamato have a chance now. firstly, shino was strong pre timeskip, and we have not seen what new bug schemes he invented in the meantime.
yamato protects himself and shino with his wooden shield, that is effective against needles.
shino sends female bugs to trace the puppet master, that is in sasoris case his heart.
then shino sends his bug swarm at sasori, howevaaaa sasori has fire and water techs and can burn shinos bugs.
but, yamato created tunnels underground using his wood and shino sends a secret bug swarm into underground wooden tunnels. that way they surprise sasori.
(then kakashi comes from behind and chidoris sasori through his heart coz kakashi was watching the fight hidden behind a rock.)

A long range fighter won't always defeat a close range fighter. -_-' That is, not if the close range fighter is well skilled in that area. As far as Shino vs Chouji goes, yeah, Shino would beat Chouji before he even brings out those pills of his. Unless Shino is stupid enough to not send in his chakra eating bugs right at the start, then Chouji may have a chance at winning if he pops those pills.

HM Jiraiya vs SM Naruto

Jiraiya and Naruto both start off in their strongest forms. I say this because we've seen Naruto already start his fight against someone in SM, so I think it's fair that Jiraiya starts off that way also. This fight is fairly IC, and no boss summons are allowed. Normal summons, yes, but not boss summons, since they both can use'em normally. The battlefield is where Jiraiya fought Pain.

Will jiraya be allowed Ma and Pa ??

Will jiraya be allowed Ma and Pa ??You know, that's a good question. -_-' They were around to make sure his natural energy doesn't go overboard, right? But Naruto already mastered the sage arts. He technically doesn't need Ma and/or Pa to stay in SM. Yeah, Jiraiya gets Ma and Pa, Naruto doesn't.

What about Shino vs Choji?

LOL, finally something can eat chouji. "Shinos bugs".

You know, that's a good question. -_-' They were around to make sure his natural energy doesn't go overboard, right? But Naruto already mastered the sage arts. He technically doesn't need Ma and/or Pa to stay in SM. Yeah, Jiraiya gets Ma and Pa, Naruto doesn't.


If ma and Pa are limited to only gathering NE than Naruto has an ok chance. Jutsu wise Jiraya has an advantage in knowledge but Naruto has the advantage in destruction. Specially now that we know he can use FRS with every charge. I have to think about this one some more.

I don't personally have a set opinion on this one yet. Generally, Naruto has the edge in raw power and stamina, as well as in cleverness. Jiraiya has the advantage in experience, versatility, intelligence, and tactics.

So, it is Jiraiya vs Naruto and they are both sage. Jiraiya would win because he can make barriers that kill you when you walk through them. Jiraiya would have to worry about rasenshuriken, so imo Jiraiya wins as Jiraiya could block that with a barrier or a jutsu and then use long range jutsus he has.

And who's to say Naruto doesn't already know about said barrier, and would suicide one of his durable SM clones in order to get his attack through the barrier? After all, Summoner Pain did the same thing, and managed to get the chakra stick through.

naruto in sage mode beats jiraiya in sage mode naruto in base gets the floor mopped with him end of story. also jiraiya can't stay in sage mode to long even with ma and pa he is limited because he didn't master it naruto has an unlimited time span if he wants. still naruto wins by a hair only because he mastered it jiraiya was a whole wins the fight though.

naruto in sage mode beats jiraiya in sage mode naruto in base gets the floor mopped with him end of story. also jiraiya can't stay in sage mode to long even with ma and pa he is limited because he didn't master it naruto has an unlimited time span if he wants. still naruto wins by a hair only because he mastered it jiraiya was a whole wins the fight though.

lol, you have that backwards. Naruto claerly has limited time, but Jman was in SM for a very extended period. He fought pain then left and planned. All the time being in SM. Probably because of Ma and Pa though.

I think it would be a close fight, but Jman would win.

I think it would be a close fight, but Jman would win.

i put my money on jiraya also
he has experience and he has ma and pa witch are a great suport.

We should remember that Naruto doesn't have Ma or Pa to use his scroll with, so he won't be reverse summoning in order to regain sage chakra. =\

We should remember that Naruto doesn't have Ma or Pa to use his scroll with, so he won't be reverse summoning in order to regain sage chakra. =\


He can stash clones anywhere. If no one finds them he can re-boost.

Anyway if Jiraya shows up with ma and pa than Naruto should be allowed a few clones stashed since both are preparations.

Well, naruto could summon Ma and Pa right off of Jman shoulders then SM attack him "naruto wins". Maybe they would keep resummoning the frogs to their side till one of them ran out of chakra lol.

Well, naruto could summon Ma and Pa right off of Jman shoulders then SM attack him "naruto wins". Maybe they would keep resummoning the frogs to their side till one of them ran out of chakra lol.

lmao
it woud be fair if both can get they own ma and pa

The conditions are: ( as set by mike who posed the question) Ma and Pa come with jiraya, but are limited to only gathering NE jiraya does all the fighting. Naruto has a few clones in hiding gathering SM.

j-man versus kisame?

j-man in sage mode with ma and pa

***by the way, is KISAME a sage? people just dont know him like people unaware of the existence of Nagato's Bodies?!***

SM naruto vs HM jiraiya - Jiraiya wins by a hair. as far as jutsus and strategy are concerned. Naruto hasn't shown any new sage moves except the frog katas which i think jiraiya knows how to counter. they both have rasengan variations, but jiraiya is not stupid enough to face SM naruto head on because power wise naruto has the advantage.

Kisame vs HM Jiraiya - Jman wins.Jiraiya cannot get disadvantaged even if Kisame can make an ocean,he's a frog hermit.Kisame will get owned.

SM naruto vs HM jiraiya - Jiraiya wins by a hair. as far as jutsus and strategy are concerned. Naruto hasn't shown any new sage moves except the frog katas which i think jiraiya knows how to counter. they both have rasengan variations, but jiraiya is not stupid enough to face SM naruto head on because power wise naruto has the advantage.

Kisame vs HM Jiraiya - Jman wins.Jiraiya cannot get disadvantaged even if Kisame can make an ocean,he's a frog hermit.Kisame will get owned.

Jiraiya vs naruto (without Shima and Fukasaku Toad elders on either side that is?)

naruto's SM is much more accomplished than J-man. Ma and Pa had to fuse so that it would take longer and it wouldn't overpower J-man. J-man wins by WAY number of skills half of which Naruto can't even counter.

In Hermit Mode, His strength was so great that Itachi and Kisame, two of the most powerful members of Akatsuki, opted not to face him fearing that it would end in their demise. Kisame even said that Jiraiya's skill and power far outclassed his own.

Jiraiya, on the other hand, does not possess any such innate gifts as Orochimaru or even Tsunade. However, he is often described as a perfectionist, and has the ability to improvise or expend the limit of a jutsu to the point where even an academic or E-rank jutsu can make him an extremely formidable opponent. This ability is shown in a flashback when the Sandaime remembers an incident where an eight-year-old Jiraiya invented an invisibility jutsu,

SM naruto. though very powerful, He can only do so much after he sends Rasenshuriken out. Even that, Kage Bunshin No Jutsu is very predictable in a fight with Naruto and Jiraiya can easily counter that. He maybe battle wise. but Jiraiya did survive an attack by Hanzo which earned him 1 of the 3 Legendary Nins which pretty much weighs even more than naruto's "battle-wise imprvisation" style.

Naruto would step-in using Sage Mode at the start. And would use Rasenshuriken at the start on near end of the fight.

Naruto would then either have a very short Sage Mode or a long sage mode with very depleted chakra right after.(stating this without the use of Shima and Fukasaku Toad Elders)

The fight would start as naruto being in sage mode and Jiraiya using different skills. and in the end when naruto would be near Sage Mode Jiraiya Ero-Sennin would use HErmit Mode to surive if not deflect a Rasenshuriken with Naruto depleted of Chakra.

lol, you have that backwards. Naruto claerly has limited time, but Jman was in SM for a very extended period. He fought pain then left and planned. All the time being in SM. Probably because of Ma and Pa though.

I think it would be a close fight, but Jman would win.

no i have it the right way u got it mixed up.

Jman can't sustain sage mode for to long he could stay in it long thanks to ma and pa but eventually it subsides.

Naruto can have his bushinss gather energy then disperse and get it all back. the more they gather the more he gains he can have 1000 of them gathering and dispersing thus unlimited time.

n he has the chakra supply and raw stamina to pull that off.

close fight but naruto wins thanks to his sage mode being on a higher level then jiraiya's. close fight though in any case jiraiya might actually win ehh who gives a shit lol as long it will be a good fight.

j-man versus kisame?

j-man in sage mode with ma and pa

***by the way, is KISAME a sage? people just dont know him like people unaware of the existence of Nagato's Bodies?!***

No kisame is not a sage hes just ugly.

Jiraya would absolutely demolish Kisame with out HM. Throw in HM and its completly overkill.

jiraiya would obliterate kisame off the face of the earth with hm all he needs is his toad stomach and its over.

Kisame vs Jiraiya - I hate to be the one to say this, but Kisame has the chakra advantage over Jiraiya and Kisame could win based on that.
Kisame with 30 percent chakra can summon a very big lake of water and then use that water to create water sharks, water clones and he would have done more but gai opened six gates so it ended quickly. But real Kisame would probably have more jutsus, and with that amount of water and things he can use water for, Kisame is a though opponent.
Frogs would be fighting in a water environment, big water sharks would probably take care of them or some other offensive water jutsu. The number of water clones would also be very high. Kisame could win.

Kisame vs Jiraiya - I hate to be the one to say this, but Kisame has the chakra advantage over Jiraiya and Kisame could win based on that.
Kisame with 30 percent chakra can summon a very big lake of water and then use that water to create water sharks, water clones and he would have done more but gai opened six gates so it ended quickly. But real Kisame would probably have more jutsus, and with that amount of water and things he can use water for, Kisame is a though opponent.
Frogs would be fighting in a water environment, big water sharks would probably take care of them or some other offensive water jutsu. The number of water clones would also be very high. Kisame could win.

lol
when jiraya will go hermit mode, even a figing ocean cant stop him from booming kishame to stone age
and sharks vs frogs?? lol frogs can use chakra so they can walk on water. it would be fun to see the sharks useing dolfin triks to get to da frogs but wtf man.
yeah kishame has lots of chakra, good ninjutsu, but he still refered to fight gay with taijutsu (cuz of his great strenght). if he goes hand to hand with jiraya ... well lets say that he wont see the hits comeing (frog katas wtf? )

Who is to say Kisame would fight head on with Jiraiya? Kisame can use water clones and water to attack him, Kisame surely has other water transformation techniques, if not the water sharks then some other water attack would be enough to destroy Jiraiyas summons. The fighting ground would be water and that is where Kisame has the advantage.

Who is to say Kisame would fight head on with Jiraiya? Kisame can use water clones and water to attack him, Kisame surely has other water transformation techniques, if not the water sharks then some other water attack would be enough to destroy Jiraiyas summons. The fighting ground would be water and that is where Kisame has the advantage.

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Samehada
read this!
this is the motive why kishame will go hand to hand

Who is to say Kisame would fight head on with Jiraiya? Kisame can use water clones and water to attack him, Kisame surely has other water transformation techniques, if not the water sharks then some other water attack would be enough to destroy Jiraiyas summons. The fighting ground would be water and that is where Kisame has the advantage.

Jman's toads are advantaged on water as well and will be able to defeat any of kisame's summons or water clones with ease. Water attacks wont be very useful on Jman's summons. As popion said, kisame will use close hand combat anyway in order to take advantage of Samehada's abiltiy to steal others chakra.

I think jman could beat kisame without sage mode, but if he had to use it, it would be the end for kisame.

I totally forgot about that sword, I still think Kisame's greatest strength is his water manipulation and not the sword. You are all saying Jiraiya would own Kisame, well Kisame has an amount of chakra equal to Naruto, Kisame maybe has an even greater chakra than Naruto. Now imagine what kind of a water attack he can create with that. Kisame still has not showed his full capabilities, he will in a fight against someone from Konoha and Kisame will loose naturally. But then you will see that he would give trouble to Jiraiya or even beat Jiraiya.

kisame flat out admitted himself that jiraiya would wipe the floors with him no cont is needed. jiraiya out trumps kisame in everything wayy more experience in his base form he is as powerful as itachi so please just stfu with all this nonsense. one toad stomach and kisame is dead he would already be dead if not for itachi's amaterasu..... and thats not even jiriaya's strongest technique..


Here's a more suitable fight..

Sasori vs orochimaru when oro is healthy now this is a fight discuss guys.

Kisame still has not showed his full capabilities, he will in a fight against someone from Konoha and Kisame will loose naturally. But then you will see that he would give trouble to Jiraiya or even beat Jiraiya.

Kisame would most definately give trouble to Jman as any member of Akatsuki would, but I still believe Jman has the upper hand.

Kisame would most definately give trouble to Jman as any member of Akatsuki would, but I still believe Jman has the upper hand.

Lol you people are delusional. Jiraya wins handly in fight vs kisame.

Sasori vs Oro.

Well depends on the scenario.

If i may let me add to it.
Sasori vs Oro
Location: Aka hideout from Rescue Gaara arc.

Oro and Sasori are at 100% and fighting to kill.
Restrictions: Oro can use all his abilities except summoning Manda or endo tensei ( both take prep) Sasori can use all his abilities except ( display of 100).

Wait, summoning Manda takes no prep time. Unless you count taking a quick, small nip at your hand/finger prep time. :p Or do you mean the 100 sacrifices? If so, Oro was allowed to prepare those for Manda AFTER his fight against Jiraiya and Tsunade.

Anyway, based on those rules, I'm not entirely sure who'd win. I'm curious as to whether or not Oro's corrosive blood can even be affected by Sasori's poison. If it can't, then Orochimaru may win this. Oro would be smart to take out the Kazekage puppet if Sasori brings it out.

As for Jiraiya vs Kisame, Jiraiya would win. The only trouble Kisame would ever present Jiraiya with, is probably in close range fighting.

Well, you people say that Naruto would win against Jiraiya but Kisame, who possibly has more chakra and is akatsuki, would lose for sure?

Sasori vs Orochimaru

I say Orochimaru, Oro is hard to kill and is smart enough to find the real Sasori.

Yeah i specifically picked the Aka hideout to set the battle as both mid-close and mid-long range. Also i disabled manda because it would retarted to summon something that big to fight a person.

Well, you people say that Naruto would win against Jiraiya but Kisame, who possibly has more chakra and is akatsuki, would lose for sure?It's all about matchups.

Sasori vs Orochimaru

I say Orochimaru, Oro is hard to kill and is smart enough to find the real Sasori.You also forget that he's ridiculously arrogant, and will stupidly take damage for the lulz.

Yeah i specifically picked the Aka hideout to set the battle as both mid-close and mid-long range. Also i disabled manda because it would retarted to summon something that big to fight a person.You missed another reason. :p In character, no one ever uses boss summons unless they fight someone else using a boss summon or a bijuu. :p

Yeah i specifically picked the Aka hideout to set the battle as both mid-close and mid-long range. Also i disabled manda because it would retarted to summon something that big to fight a person.

Unless they wanted to be a Asshole and kill someone very quickly, but if your fighting pain that wont work he'll just run up ur summon like a freakin wall or summthing

Wait, summoning Manda takes no prep time. Unless you count taking a quick, small nip at your hand/finger prep time. :p Or do you mean the 100 sacrifices? If so, Oro was allowed to prepare those for Manda AFTER his fight against Jiraiya and Tsunade.

Anyway, based on those rules, I'm not entirely sure who'd win. I'm curious as to whether or not Oro's corrosive blood can even be affected by Sasori's poison. If it can't, then Orochimaru may win this. Oro would be smart to take out the Kazekage puppet if Sasori brings it out.

As for Jiraiya vs Kisame, Jiraiya would win. The only trouble Kisame would ever present Jiraiya with, is probably in close range fighting.

hand to hand lmfaooooooooo you crack me the hell up some times ....

Jiriaya would murder him in taijutsu check the stats if u need to...

Kisame own words "i cannot fight him he is to strong" nuff said kisame knows his own skill and nobody knew jiraiya ahd hermit mode and in that itachi admitted to jiraiya being a problem saying "all strong opponents have a weakness".

Saying kisame would pose a problem for jiraiya is like saying konahamru would defeat all 4 kages at once....

jiraiya is equal to itachi in his base form itachi is the strongest akatsuki member after pain jiraiya almost beat pain...... see the patterns.

@super ninja because naruto's sage mode is far beyond even jiraiyas because naruto is tearing pain in half because kisame is weaker then sasopri check the data book you'll see what i mean....

kisame was already almost killed by jiraiya had it not been for itachi kisame would be dead without jiraiya breaking a sweat...

Orochimaru vs Sasori, we never saw the full abilities of Orochimaru but we have seen Sasori's.
Orochimaru should be able to beat him now, first Oro summons a huge gate to block Sasori's attacks, second when Oro gets hit he just spits another self, third Oro has mud replacement jutsu, fourth Oro has a long range attack because of his snakes and a sword.
But it is hard to say because we never saw the battle in which Orochimaru used all his jutsus.

About Kisame, Itachi and Jiraiya,,,, Itachi and Kisame should have been able to win against Jiraiya but Itachi decided to retreat. Why? Because Itachi did not want to kill Jiraiya.
But, Jiraiya could beat Kisame, I am just impressed at Kisame's potential.

Orochimaru would defeat Sasori. If one old lady and a young girl can give him that much trouble, then Orochimaru would do more.

Orochimaru vs Sasori, we never saw the full abilities of Orochimaru but we have seen Sasori's.
Orochimaru should be able to beat him now, first Oro summons a huge gate to block Sasori's attacks, second when Oro gets hit he just spits another self, third Oro has mud replacement jutsu, fourth Oro has a long range attack because of his snakes and a sword.
But it is hard to say because we never saw the battle in which Orochimaru used all his jutsus.

About Kisame, Itachi and Jiraiya,,,, Itachi and Kisame should have been able to win against Jiraiya but Itachi decided to retreat. Why? Because Itachi did not want to kill Jiraiya.
But, Jiraiya could beat Kisame, I am just impressed at Kisame's potential.

correction kisame said "i cannot fight him he is to strong but perhaps u can"

itachi said"to fight them and kill them it would be a good place"

kisame"ahh but his mentor is jiraiya this man would be a match for the seven mists number 1 and konoha's 1st(thats right 1st he said it meaning shodai)

itachi said"ah but its said all strong opponents have a weakness"

itachi implied that jiraiya would be hard to fight because he is strong thus he said all opponents have a weakness if he was confident he wouldn't use genjutsu on a woman to separate jiraiya and naruto" without itachi there to use amaterasu kisame would be dead he had no defense against toad stomach.

as for itachi and jiraiya

check the data books they are equal and jiraiya has hermit mode so in his regular form jiraiya is equal to itachi once he goes into hermit mode itachi is gone....

Anyway....i got one.

Sarutobi vs Itachi

Location: Konoha arena
conditions: Sarutobi is 20 years younger and itachi is healthy.
Restrictions: Sarutobi cannot use reaper death seal, Itachi can't use Susano. Everything else is green lighted.
Distance: 20 meters. Mid-close range combat scenario.

Let me make a small change because i know this is coming.

Restrictions: Itachi can't use susano. Hes only allowed 2 amateratsus and 1 tsukuyomi