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nagato_yahiko
02-02-2009, 12:19 AM
m going wid itachi

Hurricane Chronicles
02-02-2009, 12:22 AM
Anyway....i got one.

Sarutobi vs Itachi

Location: Konoha arena
conditions: Sarutobi is 20 years younger and itachi is healthy.
Restrictions: Sarutobi cannot use reaper death seal, Itachi can't use Susano. Everything else is green lighted.
Distance: 20 meters.

LOL not flaming but theres too much to think about to many variables lol
to technical my man

Myth
02-02-2009, 12:28 AM
Sarutobi would tear him to shreds in a long fight he is wayyyyyy more experienced knows about the sharingan very well... amaterasu is avoidable plus he got enma good fight but a 49 year old sarutobi would mop floors with itachi.

MikeyM1979
02-02-2009, 10:28 AM
Anyway....i got one.

Sarutobi vs Itachi

Location: Konoha arena
conditions: Sarutobi is 20 years younger and itachi is healthy.
Restrictions: Sarutobi cannot use reaper death seal, Itachi can't use Susano. Everything else is green lighted.
Distance: 20 meters. Mid-close range combat scenario.

Let me make a small change because i know this is coming.

Restrictions: Itachi can't use susano. Hes only allowed 2 amateratsus and 1 tsukuyomiWe have no idea what a "healthy" Itachi can do. I suppose we can speculate that he has more stamina, but that's it. We know he held back a lot during his fight against Sasuke, so we have to go by that fight, using Itachi, which is bad, because we still have to speculate what he'd be like if he went all out. This is a bad match up. Same with Sarutobi, aside from his stats at an old age, and his hype when he was younger, we've no idea what he was capable of back then, so we'd have to go by what he's shown during his fight against Orochimaru. On paper, based on hype, and because of no Susano'o, Sarutobi would win. Since there's really no such thing as a healthy Itachi.

Dagoro
02-02-2009, 10:34 AM
We have no idea what a "healthy" Itachi can do. I suppose we can speculate that he has more stamina, but that's it. We know he held back a lot during his fight against Sasuke, so we have to go by that fight, using Itachi, which is bad, because we still have to speculate what he'd be like if he went all out. This is a bad match up. Same with Sarutobi, aside from his stats at an old age, and his hype when he was younger, we've no idea what he was capable of back then, so we'd have to go by what he's shown during his fight against Orochimaru. On paper, based on hype, and because of no Susano'o, Sarutobi would win. Since there's really no such thing as a healthy Itachi.

Lets me be especific.

Healthy itachi: at his prime, eyes not yet going bad as opposed to almost blind terminally ill itachi who fought sasuke. Meaning he won't fall apart after using his MK he'll just take a chakra hit thats all.

MikeyM1979
02-02-2009, 10:49 AM
Lets me be especific.

Healthy itachi: at his prime, eyes not yet going bad as opposed to almost blind terminally ill itachi who fought sasuke. Meaning he won't fall apart after using his MK he'll just take a chakra hit thats all.We see Sasuke, after a few uses of his MS, and he already displayed disoriented vision. I think it's safe to assume that'd happen to any MS user shortly after gaining MS and using it a few times. This is still a bad match up. :p It's going to be almost purely speculation and hype.

I think a more interesting fight would be Kakashi & Gai vs SM Naruto.

Naruto starts off in SM mode, since, IC, that's pretty much how he's presented himself. xD He has no bunshins collecting natural energy for him at the mountain. However, that doesn't mean he may not have any bunshins around in the battle location doing that. Naruto does NOT have Ma or Pa with him, but does have access to everything he's used, including summons. And just remember that he fights IC, so he won't be using summons unless the enemy uses them also.

Kakashi and Gai have everything they've shown, and also fight IC. Gai is limited to Morning Peacock as his trump move, since it'd be speculation to have him go beyond six gates. However, even at six gates, he doesn't exactly NEED to use MP, he can attack simply with his gates open also. Kakashi, as said, is IC and has everything he's shown. He, however, cannot use his summon tracker dogs, because they'd easily track down any bunshins.

The other stipulations are that Gai and Kakashi have knowledge of SM Naruto's abilities and powerups. Naruto obviously knows what Kakashi is capable of, and has an idea of what Gai is capable, based on what he's seen Lee do.

The location takes place at the Chuunin arena, and only there. For this battle, I'll make the arena a bit larger, but they can only fight in the arena, which is clear of trees and stuff, and no where else.

Dagoro
02-02-2009, 10:59 AM
Ok.

Base guy is fast but SM naruto is Faster and also has the strenght advantage. Also opening the gates takes a bit of time so unless Kakashi can keep Sage Naruto busy opening the gates would be too risky for Gai.

The fight takes place in the arena so mid-close range combat, perfect for Naruto.

Naruto wins with easy-mid difficulty. Fully charged Sage Naruto can make 1 kage bushin and engage Gai & kakashi simontaneously preventing them from covering one another's weaknesses and performing combo attacks. Kakashi can be taken down quickly with speed blitz/rasengan combo. After that Gai 1 on 1 vs Sage Naruto will be a cake walk.

superninja
02-02-2009, 12:09 PM
In regards of speed, I'll go that SM Naruto is on Kakashi's speed level or slightly faster, but slower than Gai, especially taijutsu wise.
Gai will use nunchucks and Kakashi will make a lightning clone. Since we have not seen Naruto doing massive kage bunshins when in sage mode, I'll guess he will have two or three clones.
Kakashi will send his lightning clone on Naruto, at the same time Gai will go after him to make a fast nunchuck hit. Gai will succeed in hitting him and it will probably be a clone. They can go like that for a while, Kakashi will probably send his dogs to search for Narutos that are collecting NE.
If Naruto surprises them with rasenshuriken, Kakashi will kamui it.

Gai and Kakashi win.

popion
02-02-2009, 01:31 PM
Imo in sage mode Naruto is beyound kage lvl
any vs against him in Sm is prety pointles, cuz he will dominate in every aspect. his ninjutsu will overkill any oponent, his taijutsu thanks to the katas will also overkill pretimush any oponent, and when it comes to genjutsu, imo naruto is prety well guarded (his clones will do the fighting). maybe in Sm the thingh with stoping the chakra flow to the brain works, cuz of the high lvl of concetration, so he will be able to "get out" fast enough to avoid a lot of dmg.

Last Leaf shinobi
02-02-2009, 01:35 PM
Somebody plz link me to the evidence where sasuke is losing his sight. Go to onemanga comeback and type the actual link. I have still yet to see this.

Dagoro
02-02-2009, 01:42 PM
Somebody plz link me to the evidence where sasuke is losing his sight. Go to onemanga comeback and type the actual link. I have still yet to see this.


Here you go.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/417/09/

Last Leaf shinobi
02-02-2009, 01:50 PM
Dang. It happens that fast. SO Itachi must have not used it too many times for his eyesight to be that Sh$tty. Sasuske better go get them eyeballs.

sarutobisensei
02-02-2009, 10:47 PM
jairaya vs 1st hokage
jairaya vs 2nd hokage
jairaya vs 3rd hokage
jairaya vs 4th hokage
jairaya vs 5th hokage

Hurricane Chronicles
02-03-2009, 01:34 AM
J man owned by 1st wood jutsu
J man drowned by 2nd water jutsu
J man owned by 3rd and his Monkey
J man owned by Minatos FTG
J man owned by heavy breasts and hands of Tsunade

poolangya
02-03-2009, 01:17 PM
Oro vs Sasori? i'd go for Oro on this one. Orochi has many jutsu's and we've seen quite a number. his defense is good, his agility is good. i think he can avoid and block all poison attacks Sasori's puppets can make. I just don't know if Oro has the cursed seal running in his blood?Does he have the cursed seal? anyone can link meto the info?i believe the cursed seal is from his blood, but i don't know if he can activate it like sasuke and his other fanboys do. either way, his body is so corrupted, i think poison won't work on him. and he's smart enough to track down sasori's heart implant. the 3rd kazekage puppet won't bother him much. Orochi got this one down.

Healthy itachi vs Sarutobi in his prime? The only plus itachi has with this i think is his eyesight and his endurance, which is not much in my opinion. Sarutobi in his prime would gain him endurance, movement and memory plus. and jutsu wise, sarutobi has the edge since itachi is nerfed from susanoo. sarutobi still has enma right? coz he's the only boss summon which can be of use one on one. i'll hand this one to Sarutobi.

Kakashi + Gai vs SM Naruto? Speedwise, Naruto has the edge even if Gai will open the 6 gates. Kakashi doesnt stand a chance speed wise. Jutsu wise and experience wise Kakashi and Gai has the advantage over varied jutsus, But Naruto has very powerful jutsus at his disposal. The only trouble they can give Naruto is if they use combo attacks whatever they are, because if Naruto can separate them using an SM Kagebunshin, they won't stand a chance. SM Naruto wins this one.

Jiraiya vs the Kages -i agree he might lose to all the Kages, but i'm having trouble with the 2nd hokage vs Jiraiya. in Hermit mode, he might stand a chance even if the 2nd will summon an ocean. Just comparing this one with the Jiraiya vs Kisame. I don't know the exact capabilities of the 2nd e, but he's hyped only to the fact that he can use water jutsu's even without water. And since HM jiraiya is a frog, as i stated before, he doesn't have to worry fighting in an ocean environment.
so against the 2nd, i'm betting for jiraiya.
against the 1st, i'll go for the 1st with a little uncertainty because Jiraiya cn use firejutsu
against the 3rd, i'll go for the 3rd
against the 4th, 4th wins
against the 5th, hands down, Jiraiya will nosebleed to death.

Julep
02-03-2009, 07:19 PM
I don't think Jiraiya could beat Minato for Minato's incredible speed like lightning.
And for Tsunade. It's enough that tsunade has to big bells. Jiraiya wont be able to resist that. Instead of fighting he'd flirt with her in mid Taijutsu and gets owned by Tsunade's Punch.

If not Jiraiya trying to grabe one to touch and Tsunade beats him like UFC fight to the ground.

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No kisame is not a sage hes just ugly.

Jiraya would absolutely demolish Kisame with out HM. Throw in HM and its completly overkill.


I'm not saying Ero-Sennin isn't strong its just that Kisami Hoshikagi's chakra supply...

"...is compared to that of a Nine-Tailed Demon Fox-enhanced Naruto Uzumaki during the Chunin Exams. Pain has also stated that Kisame has the largest chakra reserve in all of Akatsuki."

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Kisame


Jiraiya CAN beat him in a fight of Jutsu's and probably without Hermit Mode, He did survive a war with Hanzo without HM...

but to say:


Jiraya would absolutely demolish Kisame with out HM.


would be overestimating it.

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i think he can avoid and block all poison attacks Sasori's puppets can make


I really don't think that he can avoid that much. There is a possibility Sasori would take them all out at once and Orochimaru will look like a little worm stuck with barbecue sticks.

But I do think that Orochimaru is so infused with snake so much that he's whole Blood Circulatory system might probably too poisonous to be poisoned a whole lot more.
:p

Kakashi doesnt stand a chance speed wise.


I think Kakashi is already aware of this. I think he has a way to counter this. Maybe he'd prevent guy from turning to Gates by sedating him or something.


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:mad::mad:AND NO IM NOT A KAKASHI DIE HARD FAN BOY!:mad::mad:

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-03-2009, 07:41 PM
Deidara vs Deva realm?

Kakashi_Rocks
02-03-2009, 08:32 PM
We know Jiraiya got beat up but Tsundae trying to spy on her in the baths..... so yeah repeat? probably...
Deidara would blow everything up and then fly off and blow everything up again...unless Deva Realm can blow off Diedara's arm...

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-03-2009, 08:56 PM
Well, god realm can use his shinrai tensai to attract diedara right out of the sky so his ability to fly above and attack is out of the question. If deidara throws bombs "no matter how powerful" they can be repelled. It might actually come down to taijutsu to determine the winner. So, as weve seen. God realm was able to compete with kakashi, but Ive never seen deidara use taijustu.

Ill give this one to god realm just for taijustu.

nagato_yahiko
02-03-2009, 10:21 PM
God Realm
:D
deidra is good but not that good

deidra vs naruto
no summons, naruto is alone
ppl dun start saying naruto right away , pain n deidra r two entirely different fighters, deidra can fly but naruto cannot

BlackSaint
02-03-2009, 10:22 PM
I think Dei might win this. If he know Deva is the leader right. And is prepared which is rare, then he uses c4 which is the giant Deidara like bomb that kills from the inside, destroying your cells, then i think Dei might win. But if he doesn't go off into c4 then he would just self destruct himself like how he did trying to kill sasuke and prabably take pain with him. And don't say pain can repel the self destruct bomb, because that bomb is like a nuclear bomb taking up 10 kilo in range too much for pain to repel. and he cant use full scale shira tensei with out chakra from his other bodies.

sarutobisensei
02-03-2009, 11:12 PM
deidra vs naruto

m going with deidra
what good will sage mode do if he cant reach him
deidra will be worst possible opponent for naruto

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-04-2009, 01:44 AM
Sarutobisensai: your forgeting about naruto ability to use his Kbs to manuver in mid air. Also, in sage mode. Naruto would just be able to manuver faster and jump higher so I dont think diedaras flying is that big of an advantage against SM naruto.

Then again if die used C4 nanoes on naruto he would die. Without a kakaei genkai to see chakra naruto cant possibly know whats coming.

popion
02-04-2009, 09:05 AM
Sarutobisensai: your forgeting about naruto ability to use his Kbs to manuver in mid air.
true but that is slower than deidara's flying caly bird (its deidara not deidra) cuz deidara not only that can climb but also he moves sideway (like a plane not like a hely) so those kb+toss+<= repeat arent that efective.
imo here can deidara win, even if naruto senses the chakra in deidaras caly figurines. also naruto hasnt any lightning jutsu to disable deidaras bombs(witch are earth type)
but still in sm naruto can dodge the bombs till deidara runs out of caly (lol), then he can kill her (toss clones with rasengans/kunai/shurikens/explsive_tags into the air AA style lol)

Dagoro
02-05-2009, 06:10 PM
Lol i just saw this discussion online. Super funny so i'll ask it here too lol.

Itachi vs Galactus. ( i know he is a Marvel character, but w/e roll with it)

Location: where Naruto and Oro fought.
Conditions: itachi is at 100%, Galactus is using his 30 feet tall humanoid form.
Restrictions:Galactus does not see itachi. Itachi can make the 1st move

scenario 1. Galactus is starving

scenario 2. Galactus is fully fed

Go lol. ( seriouly, a guy actually put up a fight for itachi. )

Who would win.

Master2005
02-05-2009, 06:48 PM
Galactus up yours/mines ;)

What about...

Sage Naruto vs Kyuubi Naruto (4+x tails)

Kakashi_Rocks
02-05-2009, 06:51 PM
Kyuubi Naruto cus he heals really fast and is pure rampaging chakra

Dagoro
02-05-2009, 07:34 PM
Galactus up yours/mines ;)

What about...

Sage Naruto vs Kyuubi Naruto (4+x tails)

WTB mature people.

The guy who argued for Itachi used Tsukuyomi as the base for his reasoning. I just wanted to see what people would say.

For anyone who doesn't know who Galactus is: Galactus is a character from Marvel. He is one of the 5 Forces that govern the universe along with Death, infinity,eternity and oblivion. His powers are inconsistent depending on the shape he is currently in. Fully fed he can pretty much do anything he wants, ( he needs to consume planets to survive)He can alter reality and transmutate matter as he wishes. However when he is starved his power are much weaker, which led him to be repeled by wayyyyyyyyyyyyy weaker characters in the Marvel series like the fantastic 4.

Anyway the guy who debated in favor of itachi argued that If caught by Tsukuyomi even galactus would be defeated because inside Itachi's phantom world he can do anything he wants.

akuryuken
02-05-2009, 08:06 PM
WTB mature people.

The guy who argued for Itachi used Tsukuyomi as the base for his reasoning. I just wanted to see what people would say.

For anyone who doesn't know who Galactus is: Galactus is a character from Marvel. He is one of the 5 Forces that govern the universe along with Death, infinity,eternity and oblivion. His powers are inconsistent depending on the shape he is currently in. Fully fed he can pretty much do anything he wants, ( he needs to consume planets to survive)He can alter reality and transmutate matter as he wishes. However when he is starved his power are much weaker, which led him to be repeled by wayyyyyyyyyyyyy weaker characters in the Marvel series like the fantastic 4.

Anyway the guy who debated in favor of itachi argued that If caught by Tsukuyomi even galactus would be defeated because inside Itachi's phantom world he can do anything he wants.

itachi vs galactus dude that guy is like a goku x 100 are you really serious ? when a guy is able to eat(literaly) planets imagine what he can do with his fist.

Shrike
02-05-2009, 08:06 PM
No offense, but making a VS of characters from different sources is dull.

Dagoro
02-05-2009, 08:13 PM
itachi vs galactus dude that guy is like a goku x 100 are you really serious ? when a guy is able to eat(literaly) planets imagine what he can do with his fist.

Im not defending Itachi.

I just explained what the guy in this thread i saw used to back up his claim that it could be possible. I just wanted to see what people who are fans of itachi would say. Tsukuyomi is considered a godly genjutsu that can't be countered unless the opponent also has a Sharingan.

Im with you, Galactus can destroy entire Galaxies but he has fallen victim to mindfucking powers before like Dr. strange.

Hurricane Chronicles
02-06-2009, 01:09 AM
How about

Kakashi vs. Neji

Conditions - they are both 12
Restrictions - They have the moves they had at 12 so no crazy MKS techniques.

Battle grounds - On top of Hokage Mt.Rushmore thingy

Who wins?

I say Neji

popion
02-06-2009, 02:29 AM
i also say neji
at that age the sharingan wasnt kakasi's best friend yet
neji, being born with its doujutsu would have the uper hand

Hurricane Chronicles
02-08-2009, 09:48 PM
Naruto vs. Minato

Conditons - both are in thier early 20's and both are Hokages. Naruto has mastered Rasengan in all 5 elements.

Restictions - None

Arena - On top of Hokage Mountain

* (Bell sound) Ding Ding*

Who do think will win?

popion
02-09-2009, 06:58 AM
hehe naruto hands down:)
if he has 5rasengan types... well he has a counter for every jutsu 4th trows at him.
as for the thundergod, i dont think its that great in 1v1. i mean yeah he can zap from place to place and hits naruto with rocks and stiks when he raches destination, then he continues. he must stop and cast some highlvl jutsu is he is have a chance to win against the bigest male damage soaker in the manga (lol naruto can take humongus amount of dmg and his stamina ... lol he can stai up for many, many hours. only tsunade can take more lol)

Dagoro
02-09-2009, 12:05 PM
(current) Naruto vs Ino, tenten, Sakura and Hinata

Location: Chunin arena
Restrictions: Base Naruto only. The girls can use all their skills.
Conditions: Naruto called them Fat, they are bloodlusted.

popion
02-09-2009, 12:58 PM
(current) Naruto vs Ino, tenten, Sakura and Hinata

Location: Chunin arena
Restrictions: Base Naruto only. The girls can use all their skills.
Conditions: Naruto called them Fat, they are bloodlusted.
hehe hinata is useless here :)
she wont hit naruto for that :cool:

Dagoro
02-09-2009, 01:17 PM
hehe hinata is useless here :)
she wont hit naruto for that :cool:

Just roll with it lol.

Master2005
02-09-2009, 02:00 PM
(current) Naruto vs Ino, tenten, Sakura and Hinata

Location: Chunin arena
Restrictions: Base Naruto only. The girls can use all their skills.
Conditions: Naruto called them(in order): pig, useless, big-forehead and georgeous.

Just changed it for you mate :D

popion
02-09-2009, 03:00 PM
Just changed it for you mate :D
hehe now sakura wont fight alonside ino hehe

anyway :) the girls wont fight to well in this formula
we have sakura short range medic nin, chakra enhaced taijutsu
hinata short range gentle fist user, byakugan
ino "longrange" jutsu only, 0 in hand to hand
and tenten short range to medium taijutsu
they realy need some strong ninjutsu, maybe chiyo to use preformance of ten pupets + vacuum ...

hmm...

if the girls succeed in immobilising the real naruto even for a few seconds to give ino a chance to use mind transfer (hmm... whill the kyuubi react like the inner sakura ...)they can win, but i give this fight to the "Mass Shadow Clone" guy. Overwhelm those short range taijutsu users with shadowclones
if hinata would use the anime skills, teamed with the other girls could win against naruto, gaining the range advantage

Master2005
02-09-2009, 04:13 PM
Sakura would be nice for a distraction (you know what I mean ;)), then Ino's mind change technique and you got him.

EDIT: You have a point, Kyuubi would reject it.^^

popion
02-09-2009, 04:17 PM
Sakura would be nice for a distraction (you know what I mean ;)), then Ino's mind change technique and you got him.

EDIT: You have a point, Kyuubi would reject it.^^


http://plaza.ufl.edu/hotapuu9/gaara%20boobies.jpg

Edit:
Got a new one hehe:
Naruto Vs a healthy Orochimaru.
Both can use all they have

PS i put my money on orochimaru but im w8ing for ur opinion.

Hurricane Chronicles
02-10-2009, 12:15 PM
I H8 to say it but gay ass Oro would get the win

poolangya
02-11-2009, 11:05 AM
Naruto in sage mode vs Orochimaru at 100%? close fight i guess, can Oro use the edo tensei? coz if he can then naruto will be a goner. but if we nerf that skill, i think naruto will win because he has more stamina than orochi.

popion
02-12-2009, 01:41 PM
Naruto in sage mode vs Orochimaru at 100%? close fight i guess, can Oro use the edo tensei? coz if he can then naruto will be a goner. but if we nerf that skill, i think naruto will win because he has more stamina than orochi.
man when he fought 4taiils oro said that the fight was entertaing (even if he had a weak health).
what does that say to you ?
http://forums.narutocentral.com/picture.php?albumid=120&pictureid=796

poolangya
02-13-2009, 07:34 AM
man when he fought 4taiils oro said that the fight was entertaing (even if he had a weak health).
what does that say to you ?
http://forums.narutocentral.com/picture.php?albumid=120&pictureid=796

think again, 4th tail naruto has gone berserk. a mindless beast. while sm naruto is a totally different matter. it is easier to subdue a wild pitbull, than a trained pitbull. not that it is a good analogy, but do u get my point? it will be a tough fight. and a very epic match. with both of naruto and orochimaru throwing awesome moves, but since naruto has the upperhand in endurance and stamina, i think naruto will get this one.

popion
02-13-2009, 07:57 AM
think again, 4th tail naruto has gone berserk. a mindless beast. while sm naruto is a totally different matter. it is easier to subdue a wild pitbull, than a trained pitbull. not that it is a good analogy, but do u get my point? it will be a tough fight. and a very epic match. with both of naruto and orochimaru throwing awesome moves, but since naruto has the upperhand in endurance and stamina, i think naruto will get this one.

dude sry to say this to you but ure dumb

orochimaru is the sole character in the manga witch was "hit" with deathgod jutsu and survived (ok sarutobi was old but damn its usualy a ohko jutsu wtf)
orochimaru is the guy who dared to go "toe to toe" with a healty itachi
orochimaru is the guy who went againt 4tails and survied in e body that rejects him
orochimaru is the guy with survived a rageing tsunade
orochimaru's body is almost indistructibile in normal circumstances
orochimaru's ninjutsu knowledge is belived that is wider than any other shinobi in the naruto world
orochimaru on his death bed had enough strenght to give sasuke a run for his money

poolangya
02-13-2009, 09:19 AM
dude sry to say this to you but ure dumb

orochimaru is the sole character in the manga witch was "hit" with deathgod jutsu and survived (ok sarutobi was old but damn its usualy a ohko jutsu wtf)
orochimaru is the guy who dared to go "toe to toe" with a healty itachi
orochimaru is the guy who went againt 4tails and survied in e body that rejects him
orochimaru is the guy with survived a rageing tsunade
orochimaru's body is almost indistructibile in normal circumstances
orochimaru's ninjutsu knowledge is belived that is wider than any other shinobi in the naruto world
orochimaru on his death bed had enough strenght to give sasuke a run for his money


then that makes you dumber than me.

orochimaru has tons of jutsu at his disposal, do you know everything about it? i don't and as far as i have read the manga and watched the anime,almost all the jutsus he has shown isn't too impressive. i'm leaving a benefit of the doubt that he might have access to more power jutsus that would surely destroy naruto, but based on only those i've witnessed. naruto will be able to come out with a victory. well that is if orochimaru will not use the edo tensei, if he can do that, naruto is toast. but nerf the edo tensei, naruto will win.

popion
02-13-2009, 09:34 AM
then that makes you dumber than me.

orochimaru has tons of jutsu at his disposal, do you know everything about it? i don't and as far as i have read the manga and watched the anime,almost all the jutsus he has shown isn't too impressive. i'm leaving a benefit of the doubt that he might have access to more power jutsus that would surely destroy naruto, but based on only those i've witnessed. naruto will be able to come out with a victory. well that is if orochimaru will not use the edo tensei, if he can do that, naruto is toast. but nerf the edo tensei, naruto will win.
hmm...
PS: why to nerf resurection ??? this is not a pcgame lol

Eight Branches Technique
This technique allows Orochimaru to create a giant white serpent with eight heads and eight tails. The serpent is large enough to attack most things without fear, and may even be stronger than Manda. When using this form, Orochimaru can emerge from the mouth of one of the heads and use his Kusanagi Sword to attack, even without a host. Hidden Shadow Snake Hands
Hidden Shadow Snake Hands allows the user to eject snakes from their wrist of sleeve, usually after a punching motion. The snake are used primarily to attack from a distance and, being snakes, can cause multiple wounds on the victims body, or hold them in place and can even poison the target. Kusanagi Sword: Long Sword of the Heavens
The Kusanagi Sword: Long Sword of the Heavens is the Kusanagi of Japanese legend. Orochimaru retrieves his Kusanagi by opening his mouth and extending a snake which then opens its mouth and produces the sword. Orochimaru was seen producing the sword handle first so he could use it freely, or blade first to attack his opponent instantly. The sword can extend its blade to attack from afar and it can cut through almost anything. The Kusanagi appears differently from the manga to the anime. In the manga, the Kusanagi looks more like a standard katana, while in the anime its a guardless, double-edged jian. It should be noted that Orochimaru's Kusanagi could not pierce Naruto in his Four-Tailed form.
Sasuke Uchiha refers to the chokuto he carries as a "Sword of Kusanagi", but it carries none of the unique attributes that Orochimaru's does. Leech All Creation: Attack Prevention Technique
Using this jutsu, the user can merge with another object and take on its properties to avoid any damage. Orochimaru uses this to merge with a tree just before his battle with his former student, Anko Mitarashi. Multiple Hidden Shadow Snake Hands
Multiple Hidden Shadow Snakes Hands is an upgrade to the standard Hidden Shadow Snake Hands, a technique that creates a snake to extend from the arms. This jutsu can create snakes in large numbers to attack an opponent. Like the standard attack, these snakes are poisonous which makes them perfect for attacking, and can bind someone if a defense is needed. Myriad Snake Net Formation
Using his Snake abilities, Orochimaru will release a torrent of serpents from his mouth. This wave will rise and rush towards his target. These snakes can also open their mouths to extend Kusanagi blades. They are obviously very powerful, as shown from the destructive amount of power in the shockwave Four Tailed Naruto used to destroy them. Orochimaru's Oral Rebirth Technique (Unnamed)
After sustaining massive injury, or simply to escape from a seemingly inescapable attack, this technique allows the user to shed their bodies from their mouths, similar to how a snake sheds its skin which leaves their body completely recovered as if they've never been struck. The technique was the result of Orochimaru's many experimentations of his body to get as close to snakes as possible. When Sasuke Uchiha took control of Orochimaru, he was able to use many of Orochimaru's abilities, which includes this rebirthing technique. This technique requires a large amount of chakra to use. Snake Authority Spell
Snake Authority Spell is a technique used by Orochimaru and Sasuke. This jutsu can extend large snakes from their sleeves, which will coil around the target and bind them. The further addition of the user's murderous intent can weaken their target's resolve. With Orochimaru's unknown status and his removal from Sasuke, this ability may be gone. Soft Physique Modification
Originally developed for spying activities, this technique can be done after some surgery and actual body modification. The user dislocates their joints then controls their softened body with chakra, allowing them to stretch and twist any part of their body at any angle, elongating and even coiling around their opponent. This can also be used to make the user's body more malleable and snakelike. Orochimaru can do this without surgical modification thanks to his various forbidden jutsu. In addition, his version allows him to stretch his body parts well beyond their normal length. Summoning: Impure World Resurrection
Summoning: Impure World Resurrection is a forbidden technique used to revive the dead. The ninja will first sacrifice a living person to provide the vessel that the dead soul will inhabit. The dead body will then be encased in ash and dirt to resemble the soul of the person that was resurrected. When the ninja wishes to recall the souls, a portal will open in the ground and the caskets holding the bodies will appear. When the caskets open the bodies will be grey and in a state of minor decay, requiring a special seal to restore their appearance. At this point, the revived person remembers their former lives, and thus not under the users control. The same seal used to restore their appearance also wipes the soul of its free will, putting them under the users control. This technique can also be used to summon multiple people at once, depending on the amount of sacrifices and the chakra level of the user.
Once complete, the revived is impossible to kill by normal means. If a limb is destroyed or removed, it will simply regenerate. To kill the revived, the soul has to be removed. When the Third fought against the revived First and Second Hokages, he had to create shadow clones and perform the Dead Demon Consuming Seal on both of them to kill them. In doing so, the bodies turned back to ash and dust, with the bodies of the individuals sacrificed to lay among the ashes. Summoning: Triple Rashomon
The Triple Rashomon is an upgrade to the standard Summoning: Rashomon(This summoning creates a demonic form of the main gate of old Kyoto which is capable of blocking almost any attack. It was believed that two people were required to summon it, as both Sakon and Ukon did; however, Orochimaru was able to summon three of these gates by himself with his Summoning: Triple Rashomon. To do so, he simply used both hands, instead of one as is common in a summoning. ), which has its name suggest creates three Rashomon Gates. These gates serve the same function as the standard Rashomon Gate, but with triple the defense. The technique requires two summoning seals to be completed.
These gates are not invincible, an example of this was against Naruto's four-tailed transformation. While the gates are supposed to block any incoming attack, the four-tailed transformation managed to destroy all three with the Four-Tailed Fox Menacing Ball.
Wind Release: Great Breakthrough
Wind Release: Great Breakthrough is a technique that creates a large explosion of wind from the user's location, easily leveling everything in its path. A variation of the technique involves a smaller blast of wind which gets ignited with flame. now with the knowledge you just got what do you think
will naruto beat orochimaru ??

poolangya
02-14-2009, 06:34 AM
^thanks for the info on orochimaru's skill. but i still go for naruto if Edo Tensei is nerfed. I basically admitted naruto will get defeated if Orochimaru can successfully cast edo tensei, orochimaru is not stupid to summon a dead shizune to battle naruto so for sure he will summon someone who can rip naruto apart. but if naruto will be able to interfere with Orochimaru's edo tensei, then he has a bigger chance of winning. why? because of his endurance. i believe the battle will start off with both of them dishing out all their major jutsus. and as far as chakra capacity is concerned, Naruto is on the winning side. He can easily evade and avoid being damaged by orochimaru's attacks due to his Speed in Sage Mode, plus Naruto has tons of Body Bags using Kagebunshin, plus he has the Natural energy protecting him, maybe the same protection the fox cloak gives him,maybe even better. if the sword of samehada wasn't able to pierce 4th tail Naruto, i don't think it might do more on Sage Mode Naruto with Natural energy surrounding him. the triple rashumon gate already failed with the kyubi canon, i dunno if orochimaru can summon it again in good condition but if he does, no big deal, i believe naruto can go around it and pwn orochimaru instead of attacking the gates head on. the oral rebirth technique can prove troublesome to naruto, but Naruto has rasenshuriken which attacks at microscopic levels, Kakashi with sharingan hax even failed to witness all of the attacks made by 50% complete FRS. all of orochimaru's snake attack skills can be avoided, samehada can be neutralized, his defence skills can be penetrated, the only problem is who orochimaru will summon with his edo tensei. but all others, Naruto can have a counter for. the fight will last long, but in the long run, naruto will emerge victorious.

popion
02-14-2009, 07:33 AM
^thanks for the info on orochimaru's skill. but i still go for naruto if Edo Tensei is nerfed. I basically admitted naruto will get defeated if Orochimaru can successfully cast edo tensei, orochimaru is not stupid to summon a dead shizune to battle naruto so for sure he will summon someone who can rip naruto apart. but if naruto will be able to interfere with Orochimaru's edo tensei, then he has a bigger chance of winning. why? because of his endurance. i believe the battle will start off with both of them dishing out all their major jutsus. and as far as chakra capacity is concerned, Naruto is on the winning side. He can easily evade and avoid being damaged by orochimaru's attacks due to his Speed in Sage Mode, plus Naruto has tons of Body Bags using Kagebunshin, plus he has the Natural energy protecting him, maybe the same protection the fox cloak gives him,maybe even better. if the sword of samehada wasn't able to pierce 4th tail Naruto, i don't think it might do more on Sage Mode Naruto with Natural energy surrounding him. the triple rashumon gate already failed with the kyubi canon, i dunno if orochimaru can summon it again in good condition but if he does, no big deal, i believe naruto can go around it and pwn orochimaru instead of attacking the gates head on. the oral rebirth technique can prove troublesome to naruto, but Naruto has rasenshuriken which attacks at microscopic levels, Kakashi with sharingan hax even failed to witness all of the attacks made by 50% complete FRS. all of orochimaru's snake attack skills can be avoided, samehada can be neutralized, his defence skills can be penetrated, the only problem is who orochimaru will summon with his edo tensei. but all others, Naruto can have a counter for. the fight will last long, but in the long run, naruto will emerge victorious.
it was naruto vs healthy orochimaru.
resurection is a godly jutsu just like sm is (so if u nerf resurection nerf SM also ...).
triple rashmount failed hit oro but even if he wasnt in top shape he continued to fight in "big style".
sword of shamehada is kishame's sword. orochimaru names his Kusanagi(long sword of heavens).
in the long term naruto loses cuz he fight alone. he doesnt have someone to reverse sumon "KB bateries" hiden in some secret location.
oro speed in "snake mode" is insane, naruto in SM has incresed speed.
naruto's KB ... if he in sm and he has some gathering NE... well with 3 clones that fight ... he cant do that much
orochimaru chakra even if its smaler than naruto's its prety big, i even dare to say that it almost matches narutos ... just look at the scale of his atacks ...
also dont forget the Eight Branches Technique. if it says that it may be even powerful than manda in that state ...

poolangya
02-14-2009, 11:42 AM
aw it's kusanagi,hehe my bad. i just said if there was no edo tensei, naruto has a bigger chance of winning. but since it was orochimaru with all he's got vs naruto with all he has, as i had said earlier, naruto has very slim chances to none in winning. the eight branches can be dealt with by the boss toad summons of naruto since he can summon them, and even if the boss toad bunta and the rest can't match up, naruto can obliterate that technique with his FRS, and don't dare disagree coz his technique can cut mountains. In terms of speed, i still believe naruto in sage mode has the upper hand, orochimaru is more agile imo. but speed wise, unless we were being deceived by the panels of naruto vs rocket pain, naruto has the edge, and that is big., as for the chakra, orochimaru's chakra cannot match with naruto- a jinchuriki. the only problem i have seen in naruto winning is the problem you stated above :
"he doesnt have someone to reverse sumon "KB bateries" hiden in some secret location."
without this rechargeable sage energy condition, naruto will surely lose. but include ma and pa frog - only for reverse summoning mind, then naruto has a fair chance of winning.

popion
02-14-2009, 04:39 PM
aw it's kusanagi,hehe my bad. i just said if there was no edo tensei, naruto has a bigger chance of winning. but since it was orochimaru with all he's got vs naruto with all he has, as i had said earlier, naruto has very slim chances to none in winning. the eight branches can be dealt with by the boss toad summons of naruto since he can summon them, and even if the boss toad bunta and the rest can't match up, naruto can obliterate that technique with his FRS, and don't dare disagree coz his technique can cut mountains. In terms of speed, i still believe naruto in sage mode has the upper hand, orochimaru is more agile imo. but speed wise, unless we were being deceived by the panels of naruto vs rocket pain, naruto has the edge, and that is big., as for the chakra, orochimaru's chakra cannot match with naruto- a jinchuriki. the only problem i have seen in naruto winning is the problem you stated above :
"he doesnt have someone to reverse sumon "KB bateries" hiden in some secret location."
without this rechargeable sage energy condition, naruto will surely lose. but include ma and pa frog - only for reverse summoning mind, then naruto has a fair chance of winning.
it woud be funny if when naruto summons gamabunta(who atm is prety usless buz of the broken bones state, but he can summon him healthy in this situation) oro brings manda(yeah hes dead but this is a full fight, so he can bring it) then goes 8branches. now thats a problem for toad boss
hehe yeah narutos frs can cut oro in half and the shakes inside him will "repair" him b4 naruto can trow another frs :P
http://forums.narutocentral.com/picture.php?albumid=120&pictureid=809
also if we give naruto ma&pa for reverse sumon, we shoud give to orochimaru kabuto to just to heal him

Nexus
02-14-2009, 07:42 PM
Here's one:

- Orochimaru & Edo Tensei vs. Six Paths of Pain

Dagoro
02-14-2009, 11:19 PM
Oro takes this. Come on lol, Hashi owned Madara and the Kyubi at the same time he would be enough back up. Throw in the 2nd and 4th and The 6th paths bite the dust.

Current Naruto (Base only) vs Current neji.
who wins ??

Hurricane Chronicles
02-15-2009, 11:12 PM
Neji unless Naruto uppercuts his ass again but i think Neji will be waiting for that shit this time. And the last time the two faught Neji though Naruto was a sure win for him, next time he will be patient and honor Naruto as a match because like he felt in part one anything can happen.

Dagoro
02-15-2009, 11:26 PM
Neji unless Naruto uppercuts his ass again but i think Neji will be waiting for that shit this time. And the last time the two faught Neji though Naruto was a sure win for him, next time he will be patient and honor Naruto as a match because like he felt in part one anything can happen.


A good argument can be made for Neji and his junken but i still give this to current base Naruto. He is Kb play is much better not to mention his arsenal.
I have my doubts about Kaiten. Sure it can deflect kunai and taijutsu but i doubt it would stop the likes of rasengan and chidori. Also current Naruto base most likely is more proficient in taijutsu thanks to frog katas training.
Neji has not show anything new in the series with the exception of air palm aka "hand fart".

So a combination of Kb play and rasengan spaming tips the scale for Base Naruto.

kluang
02-16-2009, 04:53 AM
[QUOTE=Dagoro1988;1655786]Oro takes this. Come on lol, Hashi owned Madara and the Kyubi at the same time he would be enough back up. Throw in the 2nd and 4th and The 6th paths bite the dust.
QUOTE]

Yeah, but during the fight with the 3rd, the 1st and second seems like mindless idiots.

Sasori vs the 3rd Hokage.

Hurricane Chronicles
02-16-2009, 03:23 PM
3rd all the way babyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

popion
02-16-2009, 03:56 PM
if the 3rd is old sasori will have an easy win here
sarutobi's agilitty/endurance/speed arent as good as when he was young.
sasori will overwhelm him, if not with the kazekage puppet with the performance of 100
yeah 3rd ninjutsu is capped but ... he cant withstand overwhelming force

kakazu vs kisame

Hurricane Chronicles
02-16-2009, 07:48 PM
Kisame and his big ass sword will fuck kakauzu uppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp pppppppppppppppppppppppppppp

Dagoro
02-16-2009, 07:59 PM
kakazu vs kisame


Kazuzo takes this. His ability to dish out powerful Raiton techs will definetely give kisame a lot of problems, coupled with his speed and his excellent skills as a long-range fighter Kisame would perish. Its a bad match up.

popion
02-17-2009, 11:21 AM
Kazuzo takes this. His ability to dish out powerful Raiton techs will definetely give kisame a lot of problems, coupled with his speed and his excellent skills as a long-range fighter Kisame would perish. Its a bad match up.
lmao
this vould be funny to watch
even if lightning isnt the best counter for water this might work lol
fried fish any1 ?

MikeyM1979
02-17-2009, 02:09 PM
Kisame and his big ass sword will fuck kakauzu uppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp pppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
lolno

What exactly is Samehada going to do to someone who can tank physical attacks like nothing? Iron Skin? :p Yeah, that technique alone makes Samehada useless in close combat. The only use it'll have is absorbing elemental attacks, and that is a maybe, since Kakuzu's attacks are quite large. Elementally, Kakuzu > Kisame. Kisame only has taijutsu and suitons, that's it. His taijutsu is useless due to Iron Skin. His suitons are useless because Kakuzu simply has better elemental techniques. Kakuzu's tentacles are also faster than anything Kisame has.

Dagoro
02-17-2009, 02:43 PM
Sasuke vs Sasori.

no restrictions.

popion
02-17-2009, 02:55 PM
Sasuke vs Sasori.

no restrictions.
i would give this to sasuke...
but i realy dont know how would he perform vs the kazehage puppet...
that is the turning point in this fight ...
hmm... if his ninjutsu (raiton) can pass/cut trough ironsand he will win but if it doesnt he will lose
the other puppets are useless cuz of his sharingan

Dagoro
02-17-2009, 03:08 PM
Sasori had a poor showing in the series. His first real fight and kishi placed him against another Puppet master. I think he is underrated. Sasori is by far the most dangerous person to fight against without prior knowledge. Every inch of his body is weaponized and every weapon drenched in poison. I don't see Sasuke beating him unless he lands a lucky amateratsu shot. Even if he manages to dodge hiruko's weapons Iron sand new world order would gut him.

9tailedDemon
02-17-2009, 03:21 PM
i would give this to sasuke...
but i realy dont know how would he perform vs the kazehage puppet...
that is the turning point in this fight ...
hmm... if his ninjutsu (raiton) can pass/cut trough ironsand he will win but if it doesnt he will lose
the other puppets are useless cuz of his sharingan


Yo he wouldn't, that's the answer ... that iron sand would tear his ass up ... not to mention the fact that he has no prior knowledge of the puppets' poisoness attacks. That dude sasori doesn't give too much time for a learning curve.

popion
02-17-2009, 03:21 PM
Sasori had a poor showing in the series. His first real fight and kishi placed him against another Puppet master. I think he is underrated. Sasori is by far the most dangerous person to fight against without prior knowledge. Every inch of his body is weaponized and every weapon drenched in poison. I don't see Sasuke beating him unless he lands a lucky amateratsu shot. Even if he manages to dodge hiruko's weapons Iron sand new world order would gut him.

i rely dont know about his raiton
if he can pierce ironsand sasuke will win, but if he cant he is toasted
his sharingan overcompensates for the poison and the sheer number of puppest imo, so taijutsu isnt a problem (if i remeber well he fought 1000 and won without a scratch
he cant use genjutsu
so it only leaves ninjutsu, where ...
if he can pierce ironsand sasuke will win, but if he cant he is toasted

Dagoro
02-17-2009, 03:26 PM
i rely dont know about his raiton
if he can pierce ironsand sasuke will win, but if he cant he is toasted
his sharingan overcompensates for the poison and the sheer number of puppest imo, so taijutsu isnt a problem (if i remeber well he fought 1000 and won without a scratch
he cant use genjutsu
so it only leaves ninjutsu, where ...


Explain how Sasuke's sharingan compensates for Sasori's poison ??

It wouldn't come down to Performance of 100. Sasori is ridiculous, Like 9tail said he doesn't give you time to figure out anything. The sheer size of his weapon barrages would put Sasuke in the defensive from the get-go. Ironsand new world order is overkill not to mention Sasori can manipulate the iron sand to make barrier and offensive objects.

One thing about Performance of 100, Sasori overpowered a country with them.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-17-2009, 03:28 PM
Sasori had a poor showing in the series. His first real fight and kishi placed him against another Puppet master. I think he is underrated. Sasori is by far the most dangerous person to fight against without prior knowledge. Every inch of his body is weaponized and every weapon drenched in poison. I don't see Sasuke beating him unless he lands a lucky amateratsu shot. Even if he manages to dodge hiruko's weapons Iron sand new world order would gut him.

I agree sasori is underrated. Still, I think sasuke has the advatage in this fight. Yes, sasori uses powerful pupets with deadly poison. However, sasuke can see plain as day the pupets biggest weakness. The chakra strings connecting them to sasori. And, since sasuke has shown to be a good tactician. He would most likely use a diversion to keep any pupets busy while attacking the puppet master. SO, even if sasuke doesnt manage to kill sasori with the attack. He can cut the chakra strings making the puppets useless. Afterwards sasuke could use a genjutsu or amaterasu if hes not feeling creative.

Also, are they fighting in the same cave as before or somewhere else?

popion
02-17-2009, 03:32 PM
Explain how Sasuke's sharingan compensates for Sasori's poison ??

It wouldn't come down to Performance of 100. Sasori is ridiculous, Like 9tail said he doesn't give you time to figure out anything. The sheer size of his weapon barrages would put Sasuke in the defensive from the get-go. Ironsand new world order is overkill not to mention Sasori can manipulate the iron sand to make barrier and offensive objects.

One thing about Performance of 100, Sasori overpowered a country with them.

i understand ur point, and i know sasori is underated ( also i like him cuz he realy is powerfull, if you read some of my older posts in this thread you will see that )
as for the poison part.
yeah it is dangerous but i belive sasuke can manage to stay unscratched (he can see the movements so he can avoid them)
as for the ironsand, well there is the fight.
il look into it ...

9tailedDemon
02-17-2009, 03:33 PM
I agree sasori is underrated. Still, I think sasuke has the advatage in this fight. Yes, sasori uses powerful pupets with deadly poison. However, sasuke can see plain as day the pupets biggest weakness. The chakra strings connecting them to sasori. And, since sasuke has shown to be a good tactician. He would most likely use a diversion to keep any pupets busy while attacking the puppet master. SO, even if sasuke doesnt manage to kill sasori with the attack. He can cut the chakra strings making the puppets useless. Afterwards sasuke could use a genjutsu or amaterasu if hes not feeling creative.

Also, are they fighting in the same cave as before or somewhere else?

He can't see the poison ... it's not chakra ... and he can't afford to breathe in the smoke bombs ... sasori doesn't just sit there and perform one attack they come in bunches homie. I understand it's all fiction but it'll be hard for kishi to pull this one off for sasuske ... it'll be a hard sell for real. That's why he had the lady with prior knowledge of all sasori's attacks and attacking style. sasuske would get destroyed in my book.

Dagoro
02-17-2009, 03:36 PM
Sasuke can cut chakra strings ?? when has sasuke cut chakra anything ??

Chakra has no physical form its pretty much a stream of energy.
Sasuke would keep Sasori's puppets busy how ?? A snake ?? That would be nothing but a waste of chakra. Kazekage puppet's iron sand can be molded into giant offensive objects so a summon would be useless. Sasuke is fast but so are Sasori's hands. Genjutsu most likely would not work since Sasori has only 1 functioning body part. Pretty much Sasuke's only chance is to amateratsu the real body which would be seriously hard.

9tailedDemon
02-17-2009, 03:39 PM
This dude K_y_f loves his sasuske. Noone can take sasuske in his mind. Put super saiyan 4 goku in front of sasuske and he'll reason out a way for sasuke to whoop goku's ass.

Edit: as a matter of fact add superman to that list and sasuske will find a way to see that criptonite and lowis lane can cripple him... but sasuske cannot be the cap ... and i will not take no for an answer.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-17-2009, 03:43 PM
He can't see the poison ... it's not chakra ... and he can't afford to breathe in the smoke bombs ... sasori doesn't just sit there and perform one attack they come in bunches homie. I understand it's all fiction but it'll be hard for kishi to pull this one off for sasuske ... it'll be a hard sell for real. That's why he had the lady with prior knowledge of all sasori's attacks and attacking style. sasuske would get destroyed in my book.

Well, as popinion already said. Sasukes SG can read sasoris movements so how can sasori even scratch sasuke? ANd what do you mean he doesnt just sit there and perform attacks? thats what a puppet master does, lol. He sits still while controling the puppets making him an easy target. Especialy for sasuke with his SG and speed. Also, dont forget sasukes sword skills with lightning. And last but not least. Sasuke can extend his lighting element 10 meters/30 feet. So, sasuke could be surrounded by puppets, but sasuke could take out any within 10 meters in a second flat.

Sasuke has all the tools to win this fight.

Dagoro
02-17-2009, 03:43 PM
This dude K_y_f loves his sasuske. Noone can take sasuske in his mind. Put super saiyan 4 goku in front of sasuske and he'll reason out a way for sasuke to whoop goku's ass.

Edit: as a matter of fact add superman to that list and sasuske will find a way to see that criptonite and lowis lane can cripple him... but sasuske cannot be the cap ... and i will not take no for an answer.

Lol you're trying to pick a fight.

Sasori is very dangerous. The only people who would not have difficulties in a fight with him are Pein due to ST and kazuzo with Iron skin.

Last Leaf shinobi
02-17-2009, 03:47 PM
alright k_y_f i'm not gonna go do the back n forth stating facts cuz i hate that shit honestly but in the fight with diedara the range is 5 meters. Continue on though. i really don't care who's better though.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/358/05/

MikeyM1979
02-17-2009, 03:50 PM
How the hell can Sasuke's Sharingan read the movements of a puppet? It's stated the Sharingan predicts muscle movement, not puppet movements.

9tailedDemon
02-17-2009, 03:50 PM
alright k_y_f i'm not gonna go do the back n forth stating facts cuz i hate that shit honestly but in the fight with diedara the range is 5 meters. Continue on though. i really don't care who's better though.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/358/05/

Where the hell did u come from? But it really does say that huh?

Ok K_y_f u lose one point for hitting below the belt with meaningless "facts"

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-17-2009, 03:51 PM
Sasuke can cut chakra strings ?? when has sasuke cut chakra anything ??
I seem to recall sasuke cutting hachibis tenical off which is far tougher than chakra strings.

Chakra has no physical form its pretty much a stream of energy.
Sasuke would keep Sasori's puppets busy how ?? A snake ?? That would be nothing but a waste of chakra. Kazekage puppet's iron sand can be molded into giant offensive objects so a summon would be useless. Sasuke is fast but so are Sasori's hands. Genjutsu most likely would not work since Sasori has only 1 functioning body part. Pretty much Sasuke's only chance is to amateratsu the real body which would be seriously hard.
Your forgeting that the SG can see chakra and sasori has to use chakra running up the chakra strings to controll the puppets. Which would also work for the kazakage puppet as well. Also, seeing as how sakuras speed was enough to avoid most of the puppets attacks "even with chioy controling her, she still is limited by her own speed". Sasuke speed would rape them, lol.

This dude K_y_f loves his sasuske. Noone can take sasuske in his mind. Put super saiyan 4 goku in front of sasuske and he'll reason out a way for sasuke to whoop goku's ass.

Edit: as a matter of fact add superman to that list and sasuske will find a way to see that criptonite and lowis lane can cripple him... but sasuske cannot be the cap ... and i will not take no for an answer.

Gte mad because sasuke has everything he needs to win this fight. Fact, this all speculation. However, what sasuke is capable of is not.

LOL! Its funny. No, sasuke cant beat superman, but he would rape captain america.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-17-2009, 03:57 PM
How the hell can Sasuke's Sharingan read the movements of a puppet? It's stated the Sharingan predicts muscle movement, not puppet movements. It can read more than just muscle movements. It can even read things moving even faster than the user which sasori and his cannot even mve at sasukes speed.

alright k_y_f i'm not gonna go do the back n forth stating facts cuz i hate that shit honestly but in the fight with diedara the range is 5 meters. Continue on though. i really don't care who's better though.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/358/05/
That was my bad. I thought it was 10 meters. Honest mistake!

Where the hell did u come from? But it really does say that huh?

Ok K_y_f u lose one point for hitting below the belt with meaningless "facts"
It was an honest mistake. If only you mattered that might actually hurt. "Sheads a single tear" Thumbs down-Sppppppppppp!

Dagoro
02-17-2009, 03:57 PM
Sasuke cutting one of Hachibi's tentacles is in no way similar to cutting chakra. That is the equivalent of a chain saw cutting a tree would also mean it can cut the wind during a hurricane.

The only ways to stop a chakra stream are to absorb it or take out the user.

The only reason Sakura was able to dodge hiruko's initial barrage was due to Chyo's knowledge of puppet attack styles. Sasuke doesn't have that luxury here.

MikeyM1979
02-17-2009, 03:59 PM
It can read more than just muscle movements. It can even read things moving even faster than the user which sasori and his cannot even mve at sasukes speed.Show me where it states that about the Sharingan.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-17-2009, 04:00 PM
[QUOTE]Sasuke cutting one of Hachibi's tentacles is in no way similar to cutting chakra. That is the equivalent of a chain saw cutting a tree would also mean it can cut the wind during a hurricane.
Wait, what? you do know that puppets are guided by chakra "strings". Not the same method nagato uses with pain.

The only ways to stop a chakra stream are to absorb it or take out the user.

The only reason Sakura was able to dodge hiruko's initial barrage was due to Chyo's knowledge of puppet attack styles. Sasuke doesn't have that luxury here.Thats true. STill, sasukes SG accompinied with his speed should be juts as effective if not more.

Dagoro
02-17-2009, 04:05 PM
[QUOTE=Dagoro1988;1656575]
Wait, what? you do know that puppets are guided by chakra "strings". Not the same method nagato uses with pain.
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You don't understand what im saying. Hachibi has a physical form therefore he is susceptible to physical dmg like being cut. Chakra is just energy. Sasori uses it to control his puppets by attaching chakra to their body parts making them move. That chakra despite its form still is just energy, it has no physical form therefore it cannot be cut.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-17-2009, 04:11 PM
Show me where it states that about the Sharingan.
Here, from leafninja.com
Sharingan is the blood inheritance limit of the Uchiha Clan. The Uchiha are said to be descendants of the Hyuuga, with the Byakugan changing into the Sharingan over time. This doujutsu (eye skill) gives one the ability to read Genjutsu, Taijutsu and Ninjutsu and then defeat it. As such, the clan member can view a technique being performed and almost instantly memorize the movements required to be able to complete it, including the needed chakra moldings and seals used. However the clan member cannot copy techniques that are unique to another bloodline and the clan member must have a body capable of meeting the chakra and physical requirements to do the jutsu. This rarely stops the clan member though, as such stressful situations often push their limits farther and allow them to harness their full potential.

If you need more proof then ill get more proof.
[QUOTE=Konnaha_yellow_flash;1656579]


You don't understand what im saying. Hachibi has a physical form therefore he is susceptible to physical dmg like being cut. Chakra is just energy. Sasori uses it to control his puppets by attaching chakra to their body parts making them move. That chakra despite its form still is just energy, it has no physical form therefore it cannot be cut.

I understand what your saying. But, Im trying to make you understand that sasori cant give the puppets chakra without the strings the chakra is delivered with. So, no strings equal no control of the puppets.

Myth
02-17-2009, 04:13 PM
note to the dumb ass KYF leafninja is a data book thus u can't use it roflll(since by ur dumb logic its not true) u see how stupid u are.... Mikey trust me don't waste ur time with him.... its like trying to teach a pig how to not play in the mud..Dagaro this applies to u as well..

KYF before mikey makes a fool out u which i think is impossible since u make urself looks stupid 48/14 nothing in that paragraph said anything about ARTIFICIAL MOVEMENTS..

MikeyM1979
02-17-2009, 04:13 PM
Sasuke cutting Sasori's chakra strings. Hm. That does sound like it'd make sense. Not defending the idea, but, I recall Neji using his normal chakra to cut through Kidomaru's chakra webs like nothing. Who's to say Sasuke's raiton, which is known for it's piercing and cutting properties, wouldn't be able to cut through chakra strings, which seem to look like normal chakra?

Dagoro
02-17-2009, 04:15 PM
I understand what your saying. But, Im trying to make you understand that sasori cant give the puppets chakra without the strings the chakra is delivered with. So, no strings equal no control of the puppets.

Wait a minute, are you saying a puppet master needs actual strings to conduct the chakra to their puppets ??

Last time i checked they're called chakra strings because they are strings made of of pure chakra which emanates from the user.

@ mikey

The spider web was used to conduct the chakra allowing that guy ( forgot his name ) to strenghthen it using it both for offensive and defensive moves. Chakra strings are pretty much streams of chakra. They have no prysical form.

MikeyM1979
02-17-2009, 04:17 PM
Here, from leafninja.com
Sharingan is the blood inheritance limit of the Uchiha Clan. The Uchiha are said to be descendants of the Hyuuga, with the Byakugan changing into the Sharingan over time. This doujutsu (eye skill) gives one the ability to read Genjutsu, Taijutsu and Ninjutsu and then defeat it. As such, the clan member can view a technique being performed and almost instantly memorize the movements required to be able to complete it, including the needed chakra moldings and seals used. However the clan member cannot copy techniques that are unique to another bloodline and the clan member must have a body capable of meeting the chakra and physical requirements to do the jutsu. This rarely stops the clan member though, as such stressful situations often push their limits farther and allow them to harness their full potential.

If you need more proof then ill get more proof.


Your proof, it does not work.

Also from LN:

Two tomoe will also allow the ninja to pierce Genjutsu and see the surrounding reality for what it really is. It can also allow the member to pierce another’s body and see their chakra. While the eye is not refined enough to see the tenketsu and chakra circulatory system like the Byakugan, it can view the movement and flow of chakra. This can help them tell if a person is trapped in a Genjutsu, or if an attacker is a real threat or merely a bunshin.

An eye containing three tomoe will allow the ninja to see the image of an attacker’s next move from the slightest muscle tension in their body.

Sasori has no muscles, he's a puppet, as are all of his puppets. Sasuke has a three tomoe Sharingan. No where does it say that it can predict the movements of a puppet.

@Dagaro. Right, the thing is, his webs were still infused with chakra. And they were cut like nothing, when someone else's chakra sliced through it. Raiton should be able to do the same.

Myth
02-17-2009, 04:19 PM
Lol is he arguing that sasuek can beat sasori roflllll ROFLLLLLLL LMFAOOOOOOO abort thread right NOW

Raiton isn't known for its cutting properties its knows for piercing anything wind is known for cutting.

MikeyM1979
02-17-2009, 04:21 PM
Lol is he arguing that sasuek can beat sasori roflllll ROFLLLLLLL LMFAOOOOOOO abort thread right NOWI know. xD I'm not even saying Sasuke would win, just sayin' I think his raiton should be able to cut through normal chakra strings if normal chakra can cut through something like chakra webs. Or how Kakashi's raiton cut through Kakuzu's tentacle, which should also be chakra infused.

But yeah, Sasuke would lose, and fast. He has no way of predicting what would happen, since Sasori himself, and nothing in his arsenal, has muscles to predict from.

Myth
02-17-2009, 04:24 PM
I know. xD I'm not even saying Sasuke would win, just sayin' I think his raiton should be able to cut through normal chakra strings if normal chakra can cut through something like chakra webs. Or how Kakashi's raiton cut through Kakuzu's tentacle, which should also be chakra infused.

But yeah, Sasuke would lose, and fast. He has no way of predicting what would happen, since Sasori himself, and nothing in his arsenal, has muscles to predict from.

not only that but sasori's traps are hidden and i forgot the sharingan can see through walls and ground n shit... OH WAIT:rolleyes:

9tailedDemon
02-17-2009, 04:29 PM
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LOL! Its funny. No, sasuke cant beat superman, but he would rape captain america.


Ok u crossed the line there ... {turns into the hulk}

MikeyM1979
02-17-2009, 04:29 PM
not only that but sasori's traps are hidden and i forgot the sharingan can see through walls and ground n shit... OH WAIT:rolleyes:
Seriously, I think it should be official that Sasori is a real counter to Sharingan users. Just about ALL of his moves are potential OHKO's, and none of his moves nor his puppets' moves can be predicted. And one of the Sharingan's major weaknesses is in numbers.

Dagoro
02-17-2009, 04:30 PM
@Dagaro. Right, the thing is, his webs were still infused with chakra. And they were cut like nothing, when someone else's chakra sliced through it. Raiton should be able to do the same.

Ok here is an example.

Lets say some soldiers are walking through a battle field. An enemy turret is activated and starts raining bullets along the entire battlefield. The turret is powered by a local source which is located next to it using power cable to conduct the electricity into the turret allowing it to work. The soldiers can aim for the cables and by severing it the electricity can no longer power the turret and the threat is avoided.

Now imagine the same scenario only the turret is powered by microwaves from a generator far from that location which sends energy through the air to the turrets power nodes. The soldiers can't disrupt the energy being received by the turret with their weapons since its just energy flowing though the air. Now the soldiers only options are to either have an air strike destroy the generator or taking out the turret themselves.

That would be the situation with Sasuke vs Sasori

Myth
02-17-2009, 04:35 PM
sasori without his gay suicide thoughts would give problems to even itachi and jiraiya. sasuke wouldn't beat him lol...

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-17-2009, 04:36 PM
note to the dumb ass KYF leafninja is a data book thus u can't use it roflll(since by ur dumb logic its not true) u see how stupid u are.... Mikey trust me don't waste ur time with him.... its like trying to teach a pig how to not play in the mud..Dagaro this applies to u as well..

KYF before mikey makes a fool out u which i think is impossible since u make urself looks stupid 48/14 nothing in that paragraph said anything about ARTIFICIAL MOVEMENTS..
LMAO! Myth your a douche! I said Stats from the DB are BS no the info on the jutsu and stuff, lol. Your the king of taking my comments out of context to try and make yourself look right.
[QUOTE]Wait a minute, are you saying a puppet master needs actual strings to conduct the chakra to their puppets ??

Last time i checked they're called chakra strings because they are strings made of of pure chakra which emanates from the user.
Yes, they use physical strings. Remember shinos bugs were able to crawl up them in kakuros fight meaning they are phsical strings.

@ mikey


The spider web was used to conduct the chakra allowing that guy ( forgot his name ) to strenghthen it using it both for offensive and defensive moves. Chakra strings are pretty much streams of chakra. They have no prysical form.
Just covered that.

Your proof, it does not work.

Also from LN:



Sasori has no muscles, he's a puppet, as are all of his puppets. Sasuke has a three tomoe Sharingan. No where does it say that it can predict the movements of a puppet.

@Dagaro. Right, the thing is, his webs were still infused with chakra. And they were cut like nothing, when someone else's chakra sliced through it. Raiton should be able to do the same.

Here yu can see that the SG is anticipating narutos movement merely by reading his chakra output and timing his attacks. Ill gey somore.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/230/11/Here let me break this down. Predict AKA anticipated movements. How? The SG is able to slow down physical movement making them predictable/able to anticipate. Wether its a puppet of a kuani, the SG can see it and anticipate its path. Let me go get you more proof.

not only that but sasori's traps are hidden and i forgot the sharingan can see through walls and ground n shit... OH WAIT:rolleyes:

Only if the traps have chakra in them then yes. You know that, lol.

9tailedDemon
02-17-2009, 04:36 PM
sasori without his gay suicide thoughts would give problems to even itachi and jiraiya. sasuke wouldn't beat him lol...

Meaning u don't have gay suicide thoughts?? ... could have fooled me.

K_y_f u didn't have to diss the cap man ... that's the cap fool!

popion
02-17-2009, 04:37 PM
How the hell can Sasuke's Sharingan read the movements of a puppet? It's stated the Sharingan predicts muscle movement, not puppet movements.
The Sharingan also grants the user incredible clarity of perception, allowing them to track fast-moving objects with ease and even predict the subsequent movements of those objects. The ability to track and predict movement is largely based on individual skill, as unskilled users have much more trouble tracking fast-moving objects. A fully-evolved Sharingan eye can track all but the quickest opponents, even if the user can't move at the same speed, (so even if the user can follow his or her opponents movements it doesn't necessarily mean their body will be able to react fast enough even though they saw the attack coming). This perception is also great enough to see through Genjutsu, depending upon the skill of the user, and the ability to observe the movement and flow of chakra, but not to the same extent or clarity as the Byakugan.this is sharingan

Edit:
ok i decided, for me, that iron sand=earth+lightning manipulation, so sasuke cant do shit against it (earth is strong againft lightning, fire is useless) so he is toast
sasori wins this

MikeyM1979
02-17-2009, 04:39 PM
Ok here is an example.

Lets say some soldiers are walking through a battle field. An enemy turret is activated and starts raining bullets along the entire battlefield. The turret is powered by a local source which is located next to it using power cable to conduct the electricity into the turret allowing it to work. The soldiers can aim for the cables and by severing it the electricity can no longer power the turret and the threat is avoided.

Now imagine the same scenario only the turret is powered by microwaves from a generator far from that location which sends energy through the air to the turrets power nodes. The soldiers can't disrupt the energy being received by the turret with their weapons since its just energy flowing though the air. Now the soldiers only options are to either have an air strike destroy the generator or taking out the turret themselves.

That would be the situation with Sasuke vs SasoriErm, no offense, but, I didn't read all of that. As soon as you tried to apply real logic to something, I stopped. If you can provide me some concrete proof that a raiton wouldn't be able to cut through or disrupt chakra strings, then I'll continue to think it can. :p Since it makes sense that it can.

sasori without his gay suicide thoughts would give problems to even itachi and jiraiya. sasuke wouldn't beat him lol...Jiraiya? Base, yeah, but not in HM. His toads would make quick work of his 100 puppets and the Kazekage puppet. Jiraiya would make easy work of Sasori if he takes advantage of his abilities.

Edit: It's stated the Sharingan can read muscle tension. Puppets have no muscles. I just, don't get why some people are thick like this. Or are you all just choosing what details to believe?

Myth
02-17-2009, 04:43 PM
Erm, no offense, but, I didn't read all of that. As soon as you tried to apply real logic to something, I stopped. If you can provide me some concrete proof that a raiton wouldn't be able to cut through or disrupt chakra strings, then I'll continue to think it can. :p Since it makes sense that it can.

Jiraiya? Base, yeah, but not in HM. His toads would make quick work of his 100 puppets and the Kazekage puppet. Jiraiya would make easy work of Sasori if he takes advantage of his abilities.

Edit: It's stated the Sharingan can read muscle tension. Puppets have no muscles. I just, don't get why some people are thick like this. Or are you all just choosing what details to believe?

yeah base jiraiya lol if would mention hm


9taileddemon-- oh kyf u have 12 year old fanboy how cute please when grown ups speak a kid like u should shove his moms tit in ur mouth. ZZZzzzz


@kyf - no shit stain if u don't believe the data books u don't believe em fully there is no choosing what to believe since kishi wrote both parts.. wow ur a tool....

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-17-2009, 04:44 PM
Edit: It's stated the Sharingan can read muscle tension. Puppets have no muscles. I just, don't get why some people are thick like this. Or are you all just choosing what details to believe?

Link please good Sir? Ill be back with more of my own.

MYTH:
yeah base jiraiya lol if would mention hm


9taileddemon-- oh kyf u have 12 year old fanboy how cute please when grown ups speak a kid like u should shove his moms tit in ur mouth. ZZZzzzz


@kyf - no shit stain if u don't believe the data books u don't believe em fully there is no choosing what to believe wow ur a tool....
LMAO! SOmeone agrees with me and now hes a fanboy. Man your a Sir Douchington, dude!

How are you going to tell me what I said, lol. I said DB stats are BS. Not the character Bios and other info. Your getting pretty deperate to tell me what I meant, lol.

MikeyM1979
02-17-2009, 04:45 PM
Link please good Sir? Ill be back with more of my own.
You can read it yourself at LN. Which I commented on in one of my previous posts.

9tailedDemon
02-17-2009, 04:45 PM
9taileddemon-- oh kyf u have 12 year old fanboy how cute please when grown ups speak a kid like u should shove his moms tit in ur mouth. ZZZzzzz




Yo u just admitted to having breast fed til u were twelve. we're i'm from we stop around 1. we don't even go to 2 but to each his own.

Myth
02-17-2009, 04:47 PM
KYF mikey posted it the previous page lol here.

Two tomoe will also allow the ninja to pierce Genjutsu and see the surrounding reality for what it really is. It can also allow the member to pierce another’s body and see their chakra. While the eye is not refined enough to see the tenketsu and chakra circulatory system like the Byakugan, it can view the movement and flow of chakra. This can help them tell if a person is trapped in a Genjutsu, or if an attacker is a real threat or merely a bunshin.

An eye containing three tomoe will allow the ninja to see the image of an attacker’s next move from the slightest muscle tension in their body.

Dagoro
02-17-2009, 04:48 PM
Yes, they use physical strings. Remember shinos bugs were able to crawl up them in kakuros fight meaning they are phsical strings.
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http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/126/14/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/126/15/ here we have kankuro reconecting the strings instantly after severing the previous one to get rid of the bugs.

There it is. Clearly Shino's bugs were able to eat away the chakra strings because they can absorb chakra. Notice that Kabuto releases the strings from the tip of his fingers severing the chakra connection to his puppets. They are not physical strings, they are chakra streams which functions as puppet strings.

@ mikey

Manga proof that Sasuke can slice chakra ?? any ??

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-17-2009, 04:51 PM
You can read it yourself at LN. Which I commented on in one of my previous posts.

I was talking about the link to proof that the SG can only read muscle tention, not about sasori not having muscles.

9tailedDemon
02-17-2009, 04:51 PM
trust me that^ come back sucks more then ur mom

and this is much better? U double posted for this shit?

Shouldn't u be scouring the internet for bleach or sumthing? searching for gay porno or somthing?

men on men in uniform type shit ... u know?

Officer smith goes down on fire marchall bill ... i mean seriously

MikeyM1979
02-17-2009, 04:52 PM
@ mikey

Manga proof that Sasuke can slice chakra ?? any ??
Neji's normal chakra cut through Kidomaru's webs, which were chakra infused.

Sasuke's raiton cut through one of Hachibi's tentacles, and the Bijuu have been described before as being large masses of chakra.

Kakashi's raiton has cut through Kakuzu's tentacles, which I'll also assume (it'd be dumb to assume otherwise) that it was also chakra infused.

Raitons are known for their piercing and cutting properties. Everyone knows this. If normal chakra can cut through things that are infused with chakra, what makes you think something as elementally strong and chakra infused as raiton wouldn't be able to cut through something like normal chakra strings?

MikeyM1979
02-17-2009, 04:53 PM
I was talking about the link to proof that the SG can only read muscle tention, not about sasori not having muscles.
*facepalm* Go to Leafninja, look up Doujutsu, read up the paragraph about the three tomoe Sharingan and it's abilities. :rolleyes:

9tailedDemon
02-17-2009, 04:55 PM
Neji's normal chakra cut through Kidomaru's webs, which were chakra infused.
Sasuke's raiton cut through one of Hachibi's tentacles, and the Bijuu have been described before as being large masses of chakra.



Dude that was gentle fist ... Neji and the hyuuga clan were teh only ones who could pull that off. Raiton is piercing wind is cutting. If somebody really wanted to look it up they could find that shit.

Mikey loses points hittling below the points ... ok men continue... let's get it on!!

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-17-2009, 04:56 PM
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/126/14/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/126/15/ here we have kankuro reconecting the strings instantly after severing the previous one to get rid of the bugs.

There it is. Clearly Shino's bugs were able to eat away the chakra strings because they can absorb chakra. Notice that Kabuto releases the strings from the tip of his fingers severing the chakra connection to his puppets. They are not physical strings, they are chakra streams which functions as puppet strings.

@ mikey

Manga proof that Sasuke can slice chakra ?? any ??


Wait, what? SO now bugs can walk on chakra but sasuke cant cut chakra which hes already shown he can against hachibi. If the strings arent physical then the bugs should nt be able to walk on them like a normal string, riight? And just because they can eat chakra doesnt mean they could walk on chakra.

Wait, you just read that chapter. And the bugs were following the chakra strings back to kakuro not trying to eat the strings.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-17-2009, 04:57 PM
Dude that was gentle fist ... Neji and the hyuuga clan were teh only ones who could pull that off. Raiton is piercing wind is cutting. If somebody really wanted to look it up they could find that shit.

Mikey loses points hittling below the points ... ok men continue... let's get it on!!

Actually, raiton is for piecing and cutting. As seen against hachibis tentacle.

Myth
02-17-2009, 04:57 PM
and this is much better? U double posted for this shit?

Shouldn't u be scouring the internet for bleach or sumthing? searching for gay porno or somthing?

men on men in uniform type shit ... u know?

Officer smith goes down on fire marchall bill ... i mean seriously
please clown don't get so angry why result to homosexual jokes right away is that all u got lol.. don't take ur frustration out on me cause ur pops raped u when u were a kid...

MikeyM1979
02-17-2009, 04:58 PM
Dude that was gentle fist ... Neji and the hyuuga clan were teh only ones who could pull that off.Yet there's no indication that the chakra Hyuugas use is special or different from normal chakra.

Raiton is piercing wind is cutting.Wow, really? So why, then, have we seen Kakashi's raiton used to cut through Kakuzu's tentacles? And Sasuke's raiton been shown to cut through Hachibi's tentacle? Piercing is obviously not the only thing raitons can do. :rolleyes:

If somebody really wanted to look it up they could find that shit.You know, you really just made yourself look stupid by not even remembering those examples I just pointed out to, right?

Mikey loses points hittling below the points ... ok men continue... let's get it on!!Go away, nubcake.

9tailedDemon
02-17-2009, 05:00 PM
please clown don't get so angry why result to homosexual jokes right away is that all u got lol.. don't take ur frustration out on me cause ur pops raped u when u were a kid...

Ok that is pathetic ... i can tell u came in dead last when u and ur buddies played the dozens back home in witchata, tx. That's not even worth a reply

... ok let's get in on!!

Dagoro
02-17-2009, 05:00 PM
Neji's normal chakra cut through Kidomaru's webs, which were chakra infused.

Sasuke's raiton cut through one of Hachibi's tentacles, and the Bijuu have been described before as being large masses of chakra.

Kakashi's raiton has cut through Kakuzu's tentacles, which I'll also assume (it'd be dumb to assume otherwise) that it was also chakra infused.

?

Sigh lol. Neji was able to cut through Kidomaru's webs because they were nothing more than tubes conducting chakra. Puppet masters can connect chakra directly from their hands to theit puppets. They don't need anything to conduct the chakra through.

What would neji apply chakra presume to when the chakra string is nothing but energy going from the user to the puppet through the air ??

Same with Sasuke. He aims a chidori to the chakra strings at best it would disrupt them momentarily like a sheet of metal being thrown through the water stream from a hose.

9tailedDemon
02-17-2009, 05:02 PM
Yet there's no indication that the chakra Hyuugas use is special or different from normal chakra.

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Mikey so why can't everbody severe chakra then? I mean according to what ur saying every affinity can't cut chakra since every affinity is chakra based. hell even fuuton can cut chakra. (for those of u not familiar with fuuton that's fire ... it burns not cuts)

Ok Let's get it on!!

MikeyM1979
02-17-2009, 05:03 PM
Sigh lol. Neji was able to cut through Kidomaru's webs because they were nothing more than tubes conducting chakra.The had chakra in them. Chakra. Which Neji cut through with his.

Puppet masters can connect chakra directly from their hands to theit puppets. They don't need anything to conduct the chakra through.I didn't say they needed anything to conduct their chakra through.

What would neji apply chakra presume to when the chakra string is nothing but energy going from the user to the puppet through the air ??

Same with Sasuke. He aims a chidori to the chakra strings at best it would disrupt them momentarily like a sheet of metal being thrown through the water stream from a hose.Okay, I can agree with that. :)

MikeyM1979
02-17-2009, 05:04 PM
Mikey so why can't everbody severe chakra then? I mean according to what ur saying every affinity can't cut chakra since every affinity is chakra based. hell even fuuton can cut chakra. (for those of u not familiar with fuuton that's fire ... it burns not cuts)

Ok Let's get it on!!
I've officially stopped taking anything you say seriously, as you're just a troll.

9tailedDemon
02-17-2009, 05:06 PM
I've officially stopped taking anything you say seriously, as you're just a troll.

ok now i'm a troll mikey?? (feelings r hurt ... yeah right seriously)

Ok let's get it on!!

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-17-2009, 05:10 PM
Ok, drago. We can agree that cutting th chakra strings would just momentarily slow down a puppet. But, reconecting one hundread chakra strings might juts take alot longer.

Also, the main point of the Chakra strings is that sasuke can see them and always know where the puppet master is which gives sasuke a huge advantage.

Heres sasuke proof of cutting through pure chakra in the form of a hachibi tentacle.http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/415/06/

Myth
02-17-2009, 05:16 PM
Ok, drago. We can agree that cutting th chakra strings would just momentarily slow down a puppet. But, reconecting one hundread chakra strings might juts take alot longer.

Also, the main point of the Chakra strings is that sasuke can see them and always know where the puppet master is which gives sasuke a huge advantage.

Heres sasuke proof of cutting through pure chakra in the form of a hachibi tentacle.http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/415/06/

Thats not chakra though hachibi later says "why did u summon me" so the beats must still have a physical form.

Dagoro
02-17-2009, 05:23 PM
Heres sasuke proof of cutting through pure chakra in the form of a hachibi tentacle.http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/415/06/


I think you're taking the term "bodies of chakra" literally. All bijuu have a physical form. If they were bodies made of chakra than they would be invulnerable to all physical attack since they would be nothing but a giant cloud of chakra held together by some kind of force.

Last Leaf shinobi
02-17-2009, 05:26 PM
ok what r we debating here again?? Who can beat who? I'm not sifting thru countless pages to find out what the hell ya'll talking about. Just repost the matchup.

MikeyM1979
02-17-2009, 05:28 PM
Sasuke vs Sasori is what's being discussed. Those who use logic and common sense, along with actual evidence say Sasuke would lose.

Last Leaf shinobi
02-17-2009, 05:29 PM
Sasuke vs Sasori is what's being discussed. Those who use logic and common sense, along with actual evidence say Sasuke would lose.


Ha ha ha ... another heated debate huh? I can only guess who's defending sasuske. Oh well sh^t happens.

Edit: the thx was for the heads up ... i really don't freaking care who wins longs as u fools have logical evidence to back up ur arguments

Myth
02-17-2009, 05:30 PM
what sasuke cut wasn't chakra it was a physical body part of hachibi...

since i am positive u can't hide in chakra like this...http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/419/13/

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-17-2009, 05:34 PM
I think you're taking the term "bodies of chakra" literally. All bijuu have a physical form. If they were bodies made of chakra than they would be invulnerable to all physical attack since they would be nothing but a giant cloud of chakra held together by some kind of force.
Their chakra beasts dude. Especialy while in a host. Remember naruto was a chakra form. The two tails released was a chakra form. How is the hachibi not the same? Well, I understand if the hachibi was released and didnt have a host. However, the host shouldnt be able to physicly turn into a animal. Just take on the form of the animal with its immense chakra. Just like naruto and the two tails did.

So, yes. Sasuke did cut through pure chakra.
Sasuke vs Sasori is what's being discussed. Those who use logic and common sense, along with actual evidence say Sasuke would lose.

Wheres the evidence sasuke would lose?

Last Leaf shinobi
02-17-2009, 05:35 PM
i'm gonna state my piece and i'm prolly gonna get ragged by everyone under the sun for this sh^t but i think sasori can take him.

Myth
02-17-2009, 05:35 PM
Their chakra beasts dude. Especialy while in a host. Remember naruto was a chakra form. The two tails released was a chakra form. How is the hachibi not the same? Well, I understand if the hachibi was released and didnt have a host. However, the host shouldnt be able to physicly turn into a animal. Just take on the form of the animal with its immense chakra. Just like naruto and the two tails did.

So, yes. Sasuke did cut through pure chakra.


Wheres the evidence sasuke would lose?

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/419/13/ once again thats a physcial body part of the hachibi like it or not sasuek cut through physical form if it was chakra u wouldn't be able to hide in it like that...

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-17-2009, 05:37 PM
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/419/13/ once again thats a physcial body part of the hachibi like it or not sasuek cut through physical form if it was chakra u wouldn't be able to hide in it like that...

If so then hows it possible for KB to take on hachibis physical form?

Last Leaf shinobi
02-17-2009, 05:39 PM
If so then hows it possible for KB to take on hachibis physical form?


That is actually a good point? I know we're talking manga here so don't take me litterally. How do u stuff a larger physical mass into a smaller one?

Maybe i'm thinking too much.

Myth
02-17-2009, 05:41 PM
If so then hows it possible for KB to take on hachibis physical form?

which is why i said hachibi said"why the hell did u summon me in the first place" hachibi has his physical form still i guess.. some beats ur right are dead som weren't.

these beats all have flesh on them if they were just chakra no attacks would hurt them...

@lls u seal them up lol there are different types of sealing jutsu which work in different ways..

Dagoro
02-17-2009, 05:42 PM
Their chakra beasts dude. Especialy while in a host. Remember naruto was a chakra form. The two tails released was a chakra form. How is the hachibi not the same? Well, I understand if the hachibi was released and didnt have a host. However, the host shouldnt be able to physicly turn into a animal. Just take on the form of the animal with its immense chakra. Just like naruto and the two tails did.

So, yes. Sasuke did cut through pure chakra.


?

Im tired of giving examples.
this is the last one.

Human bodies are 60-70% water. Without our flesh, organs and circulatory systems that water would just fall to the earth due to gravity. Same thing with the Bijuu. The term " bodies of chakra" describes them for what hey are, Giant beasts with immense chakra. They still have a physicall form other wise that chakra would just disperse.

MikeyM1979
02-17-2009, 05:48 PM
Wheres the evidence sasuke would lose?
Most, if not all of Sasori's arsenal are potential OHKO's? Sasuke is fast, but he's not taking out 100 puppets and the Kazekage all at once. Sasuke would need to spam Amat just to work through the Kazekage's World Order technique. If Sasuke manages to get in some OHKO techniques on Sasori, he can easily swap bodies with any puppet on the field. Sasuke's genjutsu is useless here. His only chances are using his raitons and MS. I'd love to know how he's going to get around hundreds of poisonous attacks. Because I don't see that happening. And then there's the fact that his Sharingan can't even predict the movements of puppets.

As I said, Sasori is a very real counter to Sharingan users.

Myth
02-17-2009, 05:49 PM
Most, if not all of Sasori's arsenal are potential OHKO's? Sasuke is fast, but he's not taking out 100 puppets and the Kazekage all at once. Sasuke would need to spam Amat just to work through the Kazekage's World Order technique. If Sasuke manages to get in some OHKO techniques on Sasori, he can easily swap bodies with any puppet on the field. Sasuke's genjutsu is useless here. His only chances are using his raitons and MS. I'd love to know how he's going to get around hundreds of poisonous attacks. Because I don't see that happening. And then there's the fact that his Sharingan can't even predict the movements of puppets.

As I said, Sasori is a very real counter to Sharingan users.

another good thing is that sasuek cannot cut through chakra with his raition i proved that 2 posts above.

MikeyM1979
02-17-2009, 05:53 PM
Some people are seriously overestimating Sasuke if they really think he can beat someone like Sasori. Even Amat is useless in this fight, since Sasori can body switch at will, which Sasuke doesn't know about. And that, as of now, is Sasuke's trump card. His black flames.

Last Leaf shinobi
02-17-2009, 05:57 PM
Some people are seriously overestimating Sasuke if they really think he can beat someone like Sasori. Even Amat is useless in this fight, since Sasori can body switch at will, which Sasuke doesn't know about. And that, as of now, is Sasuke's trump card. His black flames.


I'm gonna have to agree ... and i don't know how sasuske would be able to use sharigan's genjustsu based on the fact that sasori's eye's aren't real and are not physically connected to his "real self".... the heart. But sasori is a mystery cuz i don't even know how he sees.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-17-2009, 06:30 PM
I'm gonna have to agree ... and i don't know how sasuske would be able to use sharigan's genjustsu based on the fact that sasori's eye's aren't real and are not physically connected to his "real self".... the heart. But sasori is a mystery cuz i don't even know how he sees.

Well, thats what I was going with. sasoris nothing more than that tube with sasoris contiousness. However, he can still see, talk and produce chakra. So, if sasori can see then his eyes are conected to his contiousness or w/e that thing is making sasuke able to use genjutsu.

Also, he can hear too. Somethings going on there.

Last Leaf shinobi
02-17-2009, 07:57 PM
Alright i'm gonna have to go on record saying ameratsu is gonna be a loser... simply because sasori has alot of iron sand. Remember when it took itachi two ameratsu(s) to get sasuske. One to burn thru sasuske's fireballs and two to catch sasuske. WHich means that sasori can use iron sand shields which would make sasuske wastedameratsu(s). Not that the shields won't get burned thru but based on logic sasuske might have to reset his ameratsu to get thru them ... and ameratsu is completely exhausting it would leave sasuske vulnerable. I believe that's sasori best defense and i do believe he would have prior knowledge of ameratsu becuz he knows itachi jst like orochimaru and how sasuske can get such a jutsu as well. Akatsuki intelligence is damn near perfect.

K_Y_f this could get little ugly for ur man.

Myth
02-17-2009, 08:18 PM
amaterasu is useless sasori can just switch bodies at any given time.. and thats the only thing sasuke got on him his little genjutsu won't work either sasori im sure as very good chakra control to hold out 1000 puppets ...

Dagoro
02-17-2009, 08:27 PM
This discussion is going in circles. lets move on shall we ??

Gai vs hidan.
Location: same place where asuma was killed.
Restrictions: none.

Gai has knowledge of hidan's abilities. Who would win ??

Sauron
02-17-2009, 09:48 PM
This discussion is going in circles. lets move on shall we ??

Gai vs hidan.
Location: same place where asuma was killed.
Restrictions: none.

Gai has knowledge of hidan's abilities. Who would win ??

Gai would probably win but he would have to do some mortal kombat shit like rip his body apart with his bare hands!

Kisame vs Sasuke - location is in valley of the end - anything goes

Hurricane Chronicles
02-17-2009, 09:58 PM
Kisame would anal rape Sasuke then kill em lol

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-17-2009, 10:07 PM
Well, Kisame may have an unknown jutsu or two. But, from what Ive seen from kisame in his fight against Gai. Hes a power house "lets call him the shark sage", with great sword skills. I think in the end it would come down to sasukes lightning element to put kisame at a big disadvantage because of his water jutsu.

Sauron
02-17-2009, 10:36 PM
How about Nagato vs Minato use whatever jutsus and the battle field could neutral. A place that neither has been to or know well. Remember both of them Jariaya's student who are also geniuses. Who wins?

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-17-2009, 10:39 PM
How about Nagato vs Minato use whatever jutsus and the battle field could neutral. A place that neither has been to or know well. Remember both of them Jariaya's student who are also geniuses. Who wins?

We dont know anything about nagato. Why not just have Minato vs all six Pain realms?

Sauron
02-17-2009, 10:48 PM
We dont know anything about nagato. Why not just have Minato vs all six Pain realms?

No silly, I mean everything. Like Minato is allowed to use summonings and whatever else he had. We don't really know exactly what each had but since these are what ifs just go by what you know and go from there.

nagato_yahiko
02-17-2009, 11:36 PM
it wud be a tough battle but minato might win in the end

Dagoro
02-17-2009, 11:38 PM
My thoughts on all the mentioned fights in this page.

Gai vs Hidan- As much as i like Gai i'll give this to Hidan. Gai is very fast and strong but his abilities will lead him to defeat. Close-range combat against hidan is the worst approach. Hidan was no Slug, he was quite agile. Gai doesn't have any means of attack with the exception of taijutsu, in a battle against Hidan he would definetely need to open Gates. Even with all his speed and crushing power Gai is still in a disadvantage since Hidan is immortal and can pretty much tank anything that doesn't slice him to pieces. I see hidan drawing blood due to the close range combat than procceding to finish guy with his ritual provided he doesn't waste time talking and stabs his heart right away.

Kisame vs Sasuke- Well hidan seem like a very capable opponent. He did take down the 4tails alone but ill give Sasuke the benefit of the doubt because i don't want to go into details of how this fight could potentially go down.

Minato vs 6 paths- Well assuming that Minato is everything he is hyped to be i'd say he can set up similar conditions to what Naruto has now, meaning a toad army. FTG should be more than enough to exploit Deva's cd. Jutsu wise i don't know since the info on Minato is limited. I say Minato takes it if he can set up conditions similar to Naruto's 7/10.

Myth
02-17-2009, 11:41 PM
against these 6 minato would murder them his speed is beyond followable his suhinn itself can do the job it made reflections of him.. as for nagato idk when we see him fight his power will be commented on so then we can see.

but lets a do a real fight about 2 guys we know well.

orochimaru vs deidara now this hould be good deidara always did wanna kill him.

Orochimaru is healthy of course edo tensei allowed but no summons

Deidara healthy uses all his jutsu including garuda c4

battfeild same place he fought sasuke...

nagato_yahiko
02-17-2009, 11:52 PM
oro might win this but i wanna go wid deidra , i like him, so i m biased, anyway it wud be good fight , i dun think oro is a long range fighter, long range against short-mid range is worst combination!

Dagoro
02-17-2009, 11:53 PM
Oro + edo tensei takes it with no difficulty at all. Hashi can play defense with Mokuton while Tobi Pelts him with long range suitons.

Oro vs Deidara 1 on 1 on the other hand would be quite different. Oro would put up a great fight with his many defensive moves and Oral rebirth, however Deidara is a terrible opponent for Oro. All his attacks are splash dmg techs he would have the upper hand with c2 by staying out of Oro's range while raining bombs from the sky. Oro can only defend for so long and his offensive arsenal is mostly taijutsu coupled with his sword.

Myth
02-17-2009, 11:57 PM
^what amkes u think they are a mtach for c4 they aren't everything goes to dust when its around and they have no sharingan what about the land mines what about c3 what about his intiation bobms lol.. trust me i think deidara would maybe not win but he def would would stomp oro's ass.

Dagoro
02-18-2009, 12:00 AM
^what amkes u think they are a mtach for c4 they aren't everything goes to dust when its around and they have no sharingan what about the land mines what about c3 what about his intiation bobms lol.. trust me i think deidara would maybe not win but he def would would stomp oro's ass.

Oro + the 1st and the 2nd is overkill. Oro vs deidara on the other hand would end up with Deidara as the victor. I think i was clear in my first post.

Myth
02-18-2009, 12:04 AM
Oro + the 1st and the 2nd is overkill. Oro vs deidara on the other hand would end up with Deidara as the victor. I think i was clear in my first post.

the hokages have nothing on c4 and if oro dies what good are the summons.

Dagoro
02-18-2009, 12:08 AM
Eternal darkness from the second would be a great counter to C4. Blind deidara and move away from the giant bomd sculpture. Also Hashi and Tobi on the field Oro would most likely be in the back away from harm.

Myth
02-18-2009, 12:36 AM
Eternal darkness from the second would be a great counter to C4. Blind deidara and move away from the giant bomd sculpture. Also Hashi and Tobi on the field Oro would most likely be in the back away from harm.

deidara doesn't need to see to use c4 just spits it cna detonates it.. plus he trained his eye to counter genjutsu ..

liondemon
02-18-2009, 10:15 PM
Orochu is an experienced, wise genius from Konoha, the home of some of the greatest shinobi ever. Deidara is just a boy compared to Orochu.

Myth
02-18-2009, 10:34 PM
Orochu is an experienced, wise genius from Konoha, the home of some of the greatest shinobi ever. Deidara is just a boy compared to Orochu.

yet if that boy dropped tat bomb ur skilled genius would be 6 feet under before he can fail at getting sasuke:rolleyes: and ur right deidara is a kid only 19 years of age..

liondemon
02-18-2009, 10:37 PM
u think a bomb can destroy orochu? Maybe that big bomb he tried to hit Sasuke with what destroyed him, but Orochu would just summon those 3 gates. At the most he will be fatigued but not killed. Deidara had to resort to threatening the village to get Gaara and still lost an arm. He then blew himself up in an attempt to kill Sasuke. Deidara is pathetic. No match for one that had all the skills and genius to be Hokage.

Myth
02-18-2009, 10:44 PM
u think a bomb can destroy orochu? Maybe that big bomb he tried to hit Sasuke with what destroyed him, but Orochu would just summon those 3 gates. At the most he will be fatigued but not killed. Deidara had to resort to threatening the village to get Gaara and still lost an arm. He then blew himself up in an attempt to kill Sasuke. Deidara is pathetic. No match for one that had all the skills and genius to be Hokage.

what gates roflll c3 would have taken out the entire sand village if not for garra those shitty gates wouldn't do a thing... lol

Last Leaf shinobi
02-18-2009, 10:44 PM
^ Triple rashamon ... and yup that shit would work too ... Sasuske absorbed orochimaru he should of had access to that attack.

Myth
02-18-2009, 10:47 PM
^ Triple rashamon ... and yup that shit would work too ... Sasuske absorbed orochimaru he should of had access to that attack.


doesn't matter eh can summon 5 of those but that bomb c3 would blow everything to bits u honestly have no idea what ur talking about those gates are a defense THEY AREN'T INDESTRUCTIBLE. Kiba almost broke 1 with his pathetic attack

p.s. he lost his arm on purpose liondemon if u read the following chapters better u would see he planned the entire thing down to a T just so he can throw in his tiny bombs while garra wouldn't see em... he knew garra would protect the village so he used the c3 as a decoy same with his arm...


he also has c4 which orochimaru has nothing on lol

Last Leaf shinobi
02-18-2009, 10:55 PM
One gate is pretty durable ... three line back to back would shield Oro from the blast... and what r ut talking about that attack was boss ... i do remember of all the genin lined up in jarobo cave they decided kiba's attack was the strongest and that included the rasengan ... i believe naruto tried it and it didn't do too much ... but kiba's shit broke right thru the mofucka ... so

I'm still putting my money on trip rashaman... it's not like oro has to stand right behind it.

liondemon
02-18-2009, 10:56 PM
I believe Deidara told Sasori that he underestimated Gaara which is why it took longer than he expected. Deidara likely came up with that plan after Gaara already trapped his arm. I doubt if he decided to lose an arm, just to get some bombs in.

Myth
02-18-2009, 11:09 PM
I believe Deidara told Sasori that he underestimated Gaara which is why it took longer than he expected. Deidara likely came up with that plan after Gaara already trapped his arm. I doubt if he decided to lose an arm, just to get some bombs in.

oh no thats def true but him losing his arm was needed to asses garra's tehcnique and how it worked deidara is quite the thinker sasuke was just better thanks to his sharingan giving him a big edge...

@LLS this is a nuke were talking about unlike shinara tensei this c3 bomb would destroy the entire sand village nothing but desert would be left... orochimaru doesn't need to stand behind it lol but he doesn't know much about deidara since he was gone before deidara was recruited.

These are the ninja oro for sure had info on imho...

Kisame
Itachi
Sasori
Zetsu
maybe kakuzu

everyone else was new the first 4 were for sure there cause 3 of em came to get deidara and kisame knew fairly enough about itachi zetsu was there because konoha said the book had shit on him...


Either way when all fails if c3 wouldn't work which i seriously doubt c4 would get it done.

Last Leaf shinobi
02-18-2009, 11:16 PM
oh no thats def true but him losing his arm was needed to asses garra's tehcnique and how it worked deidara is quite the thinker sasuke was just better thanks to his sharingan giving him a big edge...

@LLS this is a nuke were talking about unlike shinara tensei this c3 bomb would destroy the entire sand village nothing but desert would be left... orochimaru doesn't need to stand behind it lol but he doesn't know much about deidara since he was gone before deidara was recruited.

These are the ninja oro for sure had info on imho...

Kisame
Itachi
Sasori
Zetsu
maybe kakuzu

everyone else was new the first 4 were for sure there cause 3 of em came to get deidara and kisame knew fairly enough about itachi zetsu was there because konoha said the book had shit on him...


Either way when all fails if c3 wouldn't work which i seriously doubt c4 would get it done.

Whatever i ain't gonna argue with ya ... that shit is not a nuke calm down and shit would be left standing i distinctly remember gaara's sand prevent that shit from doing any damage and what u think that shit's made out of minerals and the hardest materials from the ground and the doors of rashamon are no less dense. Kimmaro's bones penetrated Gaara's sand better than Diedara's c3 did.

One other thing though if u truly believe the bold then u drastically underestimate Oro's intelligence and i'm not talking about how smart he is i'm talking about Oro's and kabuto's ability to gather information. How do u think they eluded the akatsuki for so long?

9tailedDemon
02-18-2009, 11:37 PM
here we go LLS do not start arguing with this cat for real ...

He's gonna start blowing smoke out his ears and whining and complaining about how everybody doesn't know what they're talking about and how he's the one and only true fanboy who can interpret the words kishi puts on paper.

Arguing wit fools u only can become one.

Myth
02-18-2009, 11:54 PM
Whatever i ain't gonna argue with ya ... that shit is not a nuke calm down and shit would be left standing i distinctly remember gaara's sand prevent that shit from doing any damage and what u think that shit's made out of minerals and the hardest materials from the ground and the doors of rashamon are no less dense. Kimmaro's bones penetrated Gaara's sand better than Diedara's c3 did.

One other thing though if u truly believe the bold then u drastically underestimate Oro's intelligence and i'm not talking about how smart he is i'm talking about Oro's and kabuto's ability to gather information. How do u think they eluded the akatsuki for so long?

few things first garras sand is far denser then those gates he infuses it with his chakra he can make sand from rocks stones minerals gathering them from all over but to make it even more soild he infuses his chakra with it. show me proof to how dense those gates are if a petty attack like kiba's did one in zzzz

and as isadi worst to worst c4 takes him out.. he eluded akatsuki cause he changed hiding places like a little bitch every few weeks or months lol..

Last Leaf shinobi
02-19-2009, 12:03 AM
few things first garras sand is far denser then those gates he infuses it with his chakra he can make sand from rocks stones minerals gathering them from all over but to make it even more soild he infuses his chakra with it. show me proof to how dense those gates are if a petty attack like kiba's did one in zzzz

and as isadi worst to worst c4 takes him out.. he eluded akatsuki cause he changed hiding places like a little bitch every few weeks or months lol..


Aha!! his ultimate defense sand is! ... We're talking about sand he literally gathered from the ground during the fight. His ultimate defence is what's infused with alot of his chakra the normal sand man hmm not quite so much cuz he uses a ton on the UlDef and on the body shield.

But u know what i'm gonna stop cuz i do agree with the fact that diedara has the range element on Oro and like u said c4 would finish the fight.

How did i even get into this shit? oh well.

MikeyM1979
02-21-2009, 12:14 PM
against these 6 minato would murder them his speed is beyond followable his suhinn itself can do the job it made reflections of him.. as for nagato idk when we see him fight his power will be commented on so then we can see.

but lets a do a real fight about 2 guys we know well.

orochimaru vs deidara now this hould be good deidara always did wanna kill him.

Orochimaru is healthy of course edo tensei allowed but no summons

Deidara healthy uses all his jutsu including garuda c4

battfeild same place he fought sasuke...
Are they IC? And why not allow summons? That's really Oro's only saving grace against someone like Deidara. :p

Seriously, he'd need Manda and his snakes. >.> Not that they'd win him the fight, but they're much needed help. Edo Tensei would be useful for a while. I can see Shodai and Nidai's techniques giving Deidara some trouble at first, until Dei brings out his bigger bombs. Dei is an airborne menace, I'm sorry, but this is a bad matchup for Oro. Oro can win if Dei stays low to the ground like he stupidly did against Sasuke, but Oro has no Sharingan, and is no Uchiha, so he has no reason to fight that stupidly. I don't even know how Oro will survive Dei's clay dragon. What, he'll go underground? Then what? The sheer heat from the impact would cook Oro alive. C4 is overkill. C0...well, yeah lol. If Oro is smart, he'll use his Hokage zombies as distractions while he tries to get to higher ground and uses his normal snakes from his body to grab hold of Dei and bring him down. Also, assuming this is IC, Oro would probably fight his usual arrogant fight. He'll try to tank things stupidly and take unnecessary damage.

Dagoro
02-22-2009, 01:05 PM
Hinata vs Sakura

Location: Chunin arena
Restrictions: None

Both are Bloodlusted.

Junken vs Super punch, who wins ??

popion
02-22-2009, 01:30 PM
Hinata vs Sakura

Location: Chunin arena
Restrictions: None

Both are Bloodlusted.

Junken vs Super punch, who wins ??
i think sakura takes this, cuz she can ko hinata in 1 hit, but hinata needs more than 1 hit to put sakura out of the fight. + sakura dodges a lot so ...
hinata would need more that just gentle fist to win against sakura.
in the manga hinata lacks suplementary skils

Dagoro
02-22-2009, 01:34 PM
Hinata is at her best in close-range combat not to mention being a Hyuga, with the insight she has thanks to her byakugan it is logical to assume that she is quite skilled in evasive maneuvers.

This would be a great fight but i don't know who win for certain. Sakura manga feats > Hinata's non existent ones lol. I think about it some more.

popion
02-22-2009, 01:47 PM
Hinata is at her best in close-range combat not to mention being a Hyuga, with the insight she has thanks to her byakugan it is logical to assume that she is quite skilled in evasive maneuvers.

This would be a great fight but i don't know who win for certain. Sakura manga feats > Hinata's non existent ones lol. I think about it some more.
yeah i know that she is a hyuga + both dodge like hell but hinata needs to land more blows to take sakura out of the fight (block most of her chakra points so that she cant use her cherry blossom style at its full extent)
it will be a close fight but i still bet on sakura here
hinata cant rely on anything else than her gentle fist. throw a kaiten for her to block sakura's 1st sucesfull hit she would win. or with 8trigrams 32/64 she could end the fight in 5 seconds needed to cast that jutsu

HinataFanX
02-22-2009, 02:50 PM
Both dodge like hell, and Hinata doesn't need a direct hit to damage Sakura's chakra system, something she can't use her medical jutsu to fix, and which would slowly make her hard hits hit less, because the reason they hit hard is because she focuses chakra into her fists to hit that hard. Hinata wins because she dodges just as well, both fight close range, and she can damage the chakra system without direct hits, eventually just tearing away at Sakura.

Sauron
02-22-2009, 03:31 PM
Hinata vs Sakura

Location: Chunin arena
Restrictions: None

Both are Bloodlusted.

Junken vs Super punch, who wins ??

Good match and I don't think we can really predict a winner. We have only seen a little bit of Sakura in her fight with Sasori. And in that fight she also had help. Hinata on the other hand really hasn't fought in part 2. So really we can assume a lot but right now i think it could go either way.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-22-2009, 06:10 PM
Hinata vs Sakura

Location: Chunin arena
Restrictions: None

Both are Bloodlusted.

Junken vs Super punch, who wins ??

Well, Hinatas gentle fist is the perfect counter against sakuras powerful attacks. Actually, i cant see a way for sakura to win this match unless Hinata drops her gaurd and gives saskura a chance to hit her.

Either way, saukra tries to hit hinata. hinata redirects the attacka and attacks a chakra point to win or severly weaken saukra.

Sakura puches the ground to throw up alot of debree to hide her movements. However, hinatas byakugan can see right throught the debree and track sakura so that fails.

I give this one to Hinata if shes blood thirsty!

MikeyM1979
02-22-2009, 07:48 PM
Sakura would bust Hinata's shit. She has a horrible attitude, even now. She's quite violent, and she knows Hinata has esteem issues.

One (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/78/08/) example of how Neji's words actually lowered Hinata's state of being. Sakura knows how much of an ass Neji used to be, she's smart enough to mentally break Hinata down.

Even Hinata's own father brought her ass down a few notches. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/78/10/) That kind of thing will stay with Hinata all of her life. I'm not saying Sakura will bring Hinata down as much as this (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/78/12/), but she should know what to say to make Hinata feel she's not a worthy competitor. You guys can choose to read a little further for more of Hinata being broken down, mentally. I won't post anymore links of that.

As a side note: Proof that the Byakugans' insight > Sharingans' insight. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/78/13/)

So now I'll ask, where exactly has Hinata dodged as much as you guys seem to claim she has? What, her Byakugan suddenly makes her some sort of master of dodging? In character, she doesn't dodge. She blocks, as seen here. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/79/06/) Again, I'll ask, where exactly are her dodging skills. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/79/14/) We know Sakura actually dodges, because she's a well known and skilled medical ninja, and it's been stated that during Sakura's training with Tsunade, she was taught that the most important thing is to not get killed/injured, since it is her job to heal. I won't even bother posting links of what Sakura's taijutsu showings, nor will I comment on what would happen if Hinata actually manages to block Sakura's hits. That much should be obvious to anyone. As I said, Sakura wins this. Unless Hinata somehow gained haxxed speed and dodging skills, which she most definitely has not shown, and some confidence, then she really has no business fighting someone who has trained under the Hokage, and Sannin.

popion
02-22-2009, 08:05 PM
Sakura would bust Hinata's shit. She has a horrible attitude, even now. She's quite violent, and she knows Hinata has esteem issues.

One (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/78/08/) example of how Neji's words actually lowered Hinata's state of being. Sakura knows how much of an ass Neji used to be, she's smart enough to mentally break Hinata down.

Even Hinata's own father brought her ass down a few notches. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/78/10/) That kind of thing will stay with Hinata all of her life. I'm not saying Sakura will bring Hinata down as much as this (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/78/12/), but she should know what to say to make Hinata feel she's not a worthy competitor. You guys can choose to read a little further for more of Hinata being broken down, mentally. I won't post anymore links of that.

As a side note: Proof that the Byakugans' insight > Sharingans' insight. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/78/13/)

So now I'll ask, where exactly has Hinata dodged as much as you guys seem to claim she has? What, her Byakugan suddenly makes her some sort of master of dodging? In character, she doesn't dodge. She blocks, as seen here. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/79/06/) Again, I'll ask, where exactly are her dodging skills. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/79/14/) We know Sakura actually dodges, because she's a well known and skilled medical ninja, and it's been stated that during Sakura's training with Tsunade, she was taught that the most important thing is to not get killed/injured, since it is her job to heal. I won't even bother posting links of what Sakura's taijutsu showings, nor will I comment on what would happen if Hinata actually manages to block Sakura's hits. That much should be obvious to anyone. As I said, Sakura wins this. Unless Hinata somehow gained haxxed speed and dodging skills, which she most definitely has not shown, and some confidence, then she really has no business fighting someone who has trained under the Hokage, and Sannin.

yeah ure right we used dodge instead of blocking/deflecting
so this is the definite proof sakura wins hehe
i was right :P

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-22-2009, 09:45 PM
Sakura would bust Hinata's shit. She has a horrible attitude, even now. She's quite violent, and she knows Hinata has esteem issues.

One (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/78/08/) example of how Neji's words actually lowered Hinata's state of being. Sakura knows how much of an ass Neji used to be, she's smart enough to mentally break Hinata down.

Even Hinata's own father brought her ass down a few notches. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/78/10/) That kind of thing will stay with Hinata all of her life. I'm not saying Sakura will bring Hinata down as much as this (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/78/12/), but she should know what to say to make Hinata feel she's not a worthy competitor. You guys can choose to read a little further for more of Hinata being broken down, mentally. I won't post anymore links of that.

As a side note: Proof that the Byakugans' insight > Sharingans' insight. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/78/13/)

So now I'll ask, where exactly has Hinata dodged as much as you guys seem to claim she has? What, her Byakugan suddenly makes her some sort of master of dodging? In character, she doesn't dodge. She blocks, as seen here. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/79/06/) Again, I'll ask, where exactly are her dodging skills. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/79/14/) We know Sakura actually dodges, because she's a well known and skilled medical ninja, and it's been stated that during Sakura's training with Tsunade, she was taught that the most important thing is to not get killed/injured, since it is her job to heal. I won't even bother posting links of what Sakura's taijutsu showings, nor will I comment on what would happen if Hinata actually manages to block Sakura's hits. That much should be obvious to anyone. As I said, Sakura wins this. Unless Hinata somehow gained haxxed speed and dodging skills, which she most definitely has not shown, and some confidence, then she really has no business fighting someone who has trained under the Hokage, and Sannin.

Your acting as though time has stopped and Hinata is that same weak girl which cant be true. For one, a weak girl like that would never become chunnin.

ALright, lets try this again. Sakura with her super punches are useless against the gentle fist style that uses skill of redirection coupled with pin point chakra attacks. And as we know, hinata could hit chakra points at her level in her fight with Neji. Now, three years later, a chunnin promotion and undoubtably sharper skills. it would only take one shot to put sakura down for good or worse.

For one. We cant say sakura can dodge or fight that well. The only time we saw sakura fight for more than a couple of seconds was when chioy had control of her and was controling her skills to dodge, attack ect. About all we do know is that sakuras stength and medical skills have improved. So there, sakura is a Big healing fist of power.

Well, comparing power vs gentle fist. Of course Im going to side with gentle fist to skillfully redirect that power and win.

Hinata wins IMO.

nagato_yahiko
02-22-2009, 10:44 PM
i m going with hinata too, all i see sakura doing is punching grounds and rock, she doesnt have any other ability, her medical knowledge wont help her cz i dun think she can use medical ninjutsu to fight like kabuto, and please dun quote fight with sasori, sasori died himself as chiyo said , else sakura and chiyo would have been out of manga for good!!!

Hurricane Chronicles
02-23-2009, 02:28 AM
Hinata would dominate Sakura with the 32 palm off top

Game Over

popion
02-23-2009, 03:43 AM
Hinata would dominate Sakura with the 32 palm off top

Game Over
that is anime skill
not in the manga yet

MikeyM1979
02-23-2009, 07:30 AM
Your acting as though time has stopped and Hinata is that same weak girl which cant be true.Saying otherwise is pure speculation. Show me some proof. I have plenty/enough material on Sakura to back me up, and I have evidence against Hinata.

For one, a weak girl like that would never become chunnin.She and people like Tenten became Chuunin because Kishi wanted the Konoha 12 to be on the same level, academically. Hinata has shown nothing that would earn her promotion to Chuunin, other than, she can see stuff.

ALright, lets try this again. Sakura with her super punches are useless against the gentle fist style that uses skill of redirection coupled with pin point chakra attacks.You mean the same Gentle Fist style she used against Neji? Which she totally failed, and never even managed to land a strike to his tenketsu? She had horrible accuracy, and saying it improved is speculation. Sakura's power is not useless. As I said before, let's see Hinata block a strike from Sakura. Hinata will get her bones broken. Sakura hitting the ground should also prove worth while, as that would disrupt any kind of fancy foot work (lol) Hinata may have (as if she's Neji xD).

And as we know, hinata could hit chakra points at her level in her fight with Neji.Seeing them =\= having the ability and accuracy, like Neji, to actually strike them.

Now, three years later, a chunnin promotion and undoubtably sharper skills.Yes, it's just too bad we've no idea WHY she was promoted, and any reasons we put forth is pure speculation to help your side of the argument.

it would only take one shot to put sakura down for good or worse.Show me manga evidence that Hinata has the skills that Neji and other older Hyuugas have of one shotting people.

For one. We cant say sakura can dodge or fight that well. The only time we saw sakura fight for more than a couple of seconds was when chioy had control of her and was controling her skills to dodge, attack ect.That's quite true. However, the fact remains, she's been trained to dodge, and she's been shown to dodge, even if it was with the help of Chiyo. Sakura really didn't have much of a choice in the matter during that fight. Also, faulting Sakura's dodging skills using that fight isn't very good. She was up against one of Akatsuki's most dangerous members.

About all we do know is that sakuras stength and medical skills have improved. So there, sakura is a Big healing fist of power.Which is more than what we've seen from Hinata, without making any assumptions, which you seem to have made about Hinata earlier. I can easily make assumptions, too. Wanna see? 'Kay. Sakura was originally a genjutsu type, so even though we've not see her use any genjutsu, I'll assume she can now use powerful genjutsu and will use it against Hinata. I'll also assume she can summon slugs. She'll summon Katsuya or another slug and have it spit acid all over Hinata.

See how that works? See why I'm not relying on any of that kind of speculation?

Well, comparing power vs gentle fist. Of course Im going to side with gentle fist to skillfully redirect that power and win.

Hinata wins IMO.Wow, really? Shodaime was also known as a power hitter, are we to assume Neji or his uncle can defeat him just because of Gentle Fist? Hell, are we to assume Neji can defeat Tsunade? Based on skill, he has a chance to. Based on everything else? Hell no, he can't. She's a Hokage/Sannin for a reason, and it's not for her typing skills.

MikeyM1979
02-23-2009, 07:35 AM
i m going with hinata too, all i see sakura doing is punching grounds and rockWhich can disrupt Hinata's movements and train of thought, giving Sakura ample opportunity to rock Hinata.

she doesnt have any other ability, her medical knowledge wont help her cz i dun think she can use medical ninjutsu to fight like kabuto, and please dun quote fight with sasori, sasori died himself as chiyo said , else sakura and chiyo would have been out of manga for good!!!Which was at the end of the fight, not before or during.

Hinata would dominate Sakura with the 32 palm off top

Game OverBecause filler techniques certainly count in a manga discussion. >.>

Hurricane Chronicles
02-23-2009, 10:11 AM
Because filler techniques certainly count in a manga discussion. >.>

Got damn I am sorry to the Naruto Manga world i didnt know I watched the animae till I caught up summer 07 then i picked up and read the manga at the end of the rescue Gaara Arc

and for the sarcasm rich members i simply say I give my deepest condolences for you asshole behavior and hope you get hit by a fucking Garbage truck carrying extra dirty condoms and sour milk.

Not a flame to anyone unless you want it to be Mafuckas

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-23-2009, 11:05 PM
[QUOTE]Saying otherwise is pure speculation. Show me some proof. I have plenty/enough material on Sakura to back me up, and I have evidence against Hinata.
Lol, All you have is speculation as well. Sakura has only fought once in the manga exept she was a puppet being controled. Meaning sakura wasnt using her skills, but chioys.

Also, your so called proof is that Hinata hasnt improved after three years and is exactly the same. Thats not proof, thats that word you keep throwing around, "speculation".

She and people like Tenten became Chuunin because Kishi wanted the Konoha 12 to be on the same level, academically. Hinata has shown nothing that would earn her promotion to Chuunin, other than, she can see stuff.
LOL! Thats pure speculation. on the other hand, I have proof that it takes one with basic skills, a cool head and thinking about more than just winning.

The point is, we know hinata didnt have that in the first chunnin exam, but she mustve developed it during those three years she stayed exactly the same, right.

You mean the same Gentle Fist style she used against Neji? Which she totally failed, and never even managed to land a strike to his tenketsu? She had horrible accuracy, and saying it improved is speculation. Sakura's power is not useless. As I said before, let's see Hinata block a strike from Sakura. Hinata will get her bones broken. Sakura hitting the ground should also prove worth while, as that would disrupt any kind of fancy foot work (lol) Hinata may have (as if she's Neji xD).
There you go again, lol. Hinata is exactly the same as she was three years ago and I have proof. Wait, no I dont.


Yes, it's just too bad we've no idea WHY she was promoted, and any reasons we put forth is pure speculation to help your side of the argument.
I already explained that and it should be rather obvious.

Show me manga evidence that Hinata has the skills that Neji and other older Hyuugas have of one shotting people.
Shooting? I meant she cant win with one shot to sakuras chakra system. And dont say "well, she couldnt hit nejis chakra points". When its obvious that she couldnt hit neji because he used the same syle, exept he was far more skilled with it. Wait, scratch that! She did hit neji in some chakra points exept neji had shut off the chakra in her arms.

That's quite true. However, the fact remains, she's been trained to dodge, and she's been shown to dodge, even if it was with the help of Chiyo. Sakura really didn't have much of a choice in the matter during that fight. Also, faulting Sakura's dodging skills using that fight isn't very good. She was up against one of Akatsuki's most dangerous members.
Thats your evidence? Shes been trained to dodge, lol. Being trained to dodge and actually dodging in combat are two different things. And the only time she did dodge was when chioy made her.

Which is more than what we've seen from Hinata, without making any assumptions, which you seem to have made about Hinata earlier. I can easily make assumptions, too. Wanna see? 'Kay. Sakura was originally a genjutsu type, so even though we've not see her use any genjutsu, I'll assume she can now use powerful genjutsu and will use it against Hinata. I'll also assume she can summon slugs. She'll summon Katsuya or another slug and have it spit acid all over Hinata.
I know your not getting on me about assumtions when thats all you have too.

See how that works? See why I'm not relying on any of that kind of speculation?

She and people like Tenten became Chuunin because Kishi wanted the Konoha 12 to be on the same level, academically. Hinata has shown nothing that would earn her promotion to Chuunin, other than, she can see stuff.

^Sure, you done absolutly no speculating.^

Wow, really? Shodaime was also known as a power hitter, are we to assume Neji or his uncle can defeat him just because of Gentle Fist? Hell, are we to assume Neji can defeat Tsunade? Based on skill, he has a chance to. Based on everything else? Hell no, he can't. She's a Hokage/Sannin for a reason, and it's not for her typing skills.
What, lol? How is comparing one of Shodaimes abilities even matter? Sakura is no shodiame, lol. From what the manga has told us. Shes only gotten stronger and the rest would be speculation, right.


Alright, this is a bad match up because theres no manga evidence on either sakura or Hinata. So, why dont we start a new fight with characters that have manga evidence of their fighting skills OK.

Dagoro
02-23-2009, 11:17 PM
Naruto vs rookie 10 ( no Sasuke )
Shika, ino, chouji, lee, tenten, neji, hinata, shino, kiba and sakura

Location: Senin battle field
Restrictions: Naruto can only summon 1 frog of his choice
Rookie 10 can do anything they have shown so far
Naruto starts in Sm with 2 clones fully charged in Mt myo.
Starting distance: 100 meters

All fighting to kill.

Myth
02-23-2009, 11:48 PM
Lol mikey ur murdering the poor child....

Myth
02-23-2009, 11:51 PM
Naruto vs rookie 10 ( no Sasuke )
Shika, ino, chouji, lee, tenten, neji, hinata, shino, kiba and sakura

Location: Senin battle field
Restrictions: Naruto can only summon 1 frog of his choice
Rookie 10 can do anything they have shown so far
Naruto starts in Sm with 2 clones fully charged in Mt myo.
Starting distance: 100 meters

All fighting to kill.

naruto in 1 minute or less..

none of these gennins could do shit to him shikamaru's father said that if naruto mastered sage mode he is on a whole other level now. whiich was a nice way of saying "compared to him ur nothing but trash now".

Naruto's fighting style is completely different his frog katas can lay out anyone i dare neji to try and fight hand to hand with him.. naruto knows there fighting style their weaknesses the only ppl on that list who could do anything useful is...

neji and shika naruto obliterated 5 pains within min of fighting him he would embarrass these kids.

Sauron
02-23-2009, 11:53 PM
Naruto vs rookie 10 ( no Sasuke )
Shika, ino, chouji, lee, tenten, neji, hinata, shino, kiba and sakura

Location: Senin battle field
Restrictions: Naruto can only summon 1 frog of his choice
Rookie 10 can do anything they have shown so far
Naruto starts in Sm with 2 clones fully charged in Mt myo.
Starting distance: 100 meters

All fighting to kill.

Hmm...Depends if both sides knew they were going to fight each other then the Rookies would probably win. Otherwise I think Naruto would kill most of them if not all. The real question is could Shikamaru planning play a part in the battle because if so Naruto is fucked going up against them all.

Dagoro
02-24-2009, 12:19 AM
Hmm...Depends if both sides knew they were going to fight each other then the Rookies would probably win. Otherwise I think Naruto would kill most of them if not all. The real question is could Shikamaru planning play a part in the battle because if so Naruto is fucked going up against them all.

What plan could he possibly come up with against Sage Naruto ?? lol. The kid can pretty much rain death in SM.

This fight would be pretty one sided.

Hina, sakura, chouji, ino, shika and tenten would die right off the bat to speed bliz/frog katas. Lee, neji, kiba and shino can die to anything else lol. FRS, GOR or just one of the big three toads.

Naruto pretty much rapes. Actually scratch that. Bunta rapes while Naruto has a snack.

poolangya
02-24-2009, 05:48 AM
Hinata vs Sakura, i go with hinata. as i would go for Neji against Rock Lee. same reason, gentle fist will rule over rough taijutsu(except frog katas of course)


Naruto wins vs rookie 10. He might be able to use at least one clone for Sage mode recharge but that is if neji, shika, and shino will prove troublesome.

popion
02-24-2009, 08:56 AM
Naruto vs rookie 10 ( no Sasuke )
Shika, ino, chouji, lee, tenten, neji, hinata, shino, kiba and sakura

Location: Senin battle field
Restrictions: Naruto can only summon 1 frog of his choice
Rookie 10 can do anything they have shown so far
Naruto starts in Sm with 2 clones fully charged in Mt myo.
Starting distance: 100 meters

All fighting to kill.

the horde will win

naruto's summon will have no major impact on the fight cuz of his size and the number of oponents (but his share size and maybe a bullet style jutsu might just get the job done on hinata/tenten)
the toad can be defeted/ renderd useless by kiba's dual wolf fang (this thing made a dent in the rashomon and i dont thik the toads's skin is that resistent), sakura's chery blosson and choji's supre multi size (that would look cool, man vs toad lol)


naruto will start with trowning a FRS, but the distance ...(100 metters is waaaay to far)... {cuz of the distance will be dodged} or with running towards 1 of the weaklings (hinata/tenten)
lee in hachimon 5 gates/ drunken fist could be the initial oponent (meat tank but fast enough to stop naruto in his traks for a couple of seconds

either way sikamaru just has to use shadow mimic to stop naruto's dash towards the group
choji if available will double size his arms to further restrain naruto
shino will plants bugs on him and he will start to drain naruto
ino will try her mind transfer (but kyuubi ...)
neji will use gentle fist (simple taping, no need for 64 palms)to block his chakra points. hinata (if alive at this point) the same thing

the cloes at myo mt. would be rendered useless by the blocking of the chakra points (yeah they bring sage chakra in the system but the pathways where this chakra sould flow are blocked and the quantuty introduced isnt that large like the humongos amount the kyuubi used to force the tenketsu open)

but you imposed no other restriction besides 1 toad, so if naruto is allowed he will go in 4 tails (when shino's bugs end their meal) and kill them alll

Dagoro
02-24-2009, 11:09 AM
the horde will win

naruto's summon will have no major impact on the fight cuz of his size and the number of oponents (but his share size and maybe a bullet style jutsu might just get the job done on hinata/tenten)
the toad can be defeted/ renderd useless by kiba's dual wolf fang (this thing made a dent in the rashomon and i dont thik the toads's skin is that resistent), sakura's chery blosson and choji's supre multi size (that would look cool, man vs toad lol)


naruto will start with trowning a FRS, but the distance ...(100 metters is waaaay to far)... {cuz of the distance will be dodged} or with running towards 1 of the weaklings (hinata/tenten)
lee in hachimon 5 gates/ drunken fist could be the initial oponent (meat tank but fast enough to stop naruto in his traks for a couple of seconds

either way sikamaru just has to use shadow mimic to stop naruto's dash towards the group
choji if available will double size his arms to further restrain naruto
shino will plants bugs on him and he will start to drain naruto
ino will try her mind transfer (but kyuubi ...)
neji will use gentle fist (simple taping, no need for 64 palms)to block his chakra points. hinata (if alive at this point) the same thing

the cloes at myo mt. would be rendered useless by the blocking of the chakra points (yeah they bring sage chakra in the system but the pathways where this chakra sould flow are blocked and the quantuty introduced isnt that large like the humongos amount the kyuubi used to force the tenketsu open)

but you imposed no other restriction besides 1 toad, so if naruto is allowed he will go in 4 tails (when shino's bugs end their meal) and kill them alll

So you're saying the rookie 10 can take down Bunta, hiro or ken ?? how ??

None of them can summon, bunta can use jutsu and all 3 are fast. Shika won't be able to shadow mimic a guy who speed blitzed DR who had rockets for feet. Chouji, ino, Sakura, hinata, tenten and shika are not fast and their taijutsu skills are rubish compared to frog katas, they would die in the first few seconds for sure.

Shino's bugs can suck away the sage chakra ?? If HG who can absorb anything fell to frog petrification shino's bugs would be pretty much useless here. Neji< speed i don't even need to go further into details.

SM naruto or one of his summons take this easlily. None of the rookie 10 have any feats that would suggest they can take down summons of Bunta's caliber. They are pretty much screwed.

poolangya
02-24-2009, 11:21 AM
wait, if shino's bugs can absorb sage chakra, is it possible for shino's bugs become shino's frogs, since they wont be able to balance NE? hehe just wondering. anyways, i still go with Naruto against the rookie 10. naruto's speed and power is extremely overwhelming in sage mode. i dont think anybody in rookie 10 can match up to that alone or together.

popion
02-24-2009, 01:52 PM
So you're saying the rookie 10 can take down Bunta, hiro or ken ?? how ??

None of them can summon, bunta can use jutsu and all 3 are fast. Shika won't be able to shadow mimic a guy who speed blitzed DR who had rockets for feet. Chouji, ino, Sakura, hinata, tenten and shika are not fast and their taijutsu skills are rubish compared to frog katas, they would die in the first few seconds for sure.

Shino's bugs can suck away the sage chakra ?? If HG who can absorb anything fell to frog petrification shino's bugs would be pretty much useless here. Neji< speed i don't even need to go further into details.

SM naruto or one of his summons take this easlily. None of the rookie 10 have any feats that would suggest they can take down summons of Bunta's caliber. They are pretty much screwed.

hell yeah
you said they can use all they can, and the situation i presented earlyer migh just work
so yeah i think they can pwn naruto even if he is in SM.
SM is not the "i win" button

Hurricane Chronicles
02-24-2009, 01:55 PM
hell yeah
you said they can use all they can, and the situation i presented earlyer migh just work
so yeah i think they can pwn naruto even if he is in SM.
SM is not the "i win" button

I disagree against the genin he would fuck them up all he has to do is spam Rasenshirikens and its game over

MikeyM1979
02-24-2009, 03:48 PM
Lol mikey ur murdering the poor child....Thanks. xD I know we both have some degree of speculation on both our sides (especially his), but most, if not all of mine are reasonable and/or backed up in some way. :p

Naruto vs rookie 10 ( no Sasuke )
Shika, ino, chouji, lee, tenten, neji, hinata, shino, kiba and sakura

Location: Senin battle field
Restrictions: Naruto can only summon 1 frog of his choice
Rookie 10 can do anything they have shown so far
Naruto starts in Sm with 2 clones fully charged in Mt myo.
Starting distance: 100 meters

All fighting to kill.
SM Naruto wins either way, but are the others fighting IC or OOC? If IC, they all get slaughtered without much effort. If OOC, they still get slaughtered, except it'd take slightly longer. As I said, IC, anyone who isn't Naruto gets butchered. OOC, Shika, Ino, Neji, Tenten, Hinata, and Shino serve as fodder, while Chouji takes all of his pills, Lee goes five gates, Kiba and Akamaru....try and not get farted on again. xD And Sakura goes into Bitch mode. All try and one shot SM Naruto. Honestly, the only ones who can probably serve any kind of threat to SM Naruto here, are gated Lee and Pilled Chouji. Problem is, SM Naruto outclasses them in everything. Speed, power, ninjutsu, etc.

Vengeance
02-24-2009, 04:43 PM
Naruto summons Bunta & has him jump in the air shooting off his water cannon. The fights over before Bunta even lands on the ground. :P

Myth
02-24-2009, 05:24 PM
Naruto summons Bunta & has him jump in the air shooting off his water cannon. The fights over before Bunta even lands on the ground. :P

straight up one water bullet and they are done for or if naruto uses wind element on gamabuntans water even worse lol...


for all the noobs who'll say frog naruto combo is filler not its not he did this before when yamato did water style and naruto added wind same can be done here...

Shrike
02-24-2009, 06:21 PM
Naruto would probably loose, but he has a chance to kill them all.
If Ino takes Bunta's body it's over. Or if Shika catches Naruto with his Shadow, which isn't impossible.
Lee with Gates IS a problem as well. Shino can be deadly. Even if Hinata is no better then pre TS Neji now, she can be a bother as well.

But otherwise, Naruto outclasses them by far if you don't count Lee and Chouji power-upped.
Flying FRS would kill one-shot one easily. Maybe two.

I think that the Rookies have more chance to win, but it's only by a bit. Like, 60%>40%.

Dagoro
02-24-2009, 06:24 PM
Naruto would probably loose, but he has a chance to kill them all.
If Ino takes Bunta's body it's over. Or if Shika catches Naruto with his Shadow, which isn't impossible.
Lee with Gates IS a problem as well. Shino can be deadly. Even if Hinata is no better then pre TS Neji now, she can be a bother as well.

But otherwise, Naruto outclasses them by far if you don't count Lee and Chouji power-upped.
Flying FRS would kill one-shot one easily. Maybe two.

I think that the Rookies have more chance to win, but it's only by a bit. Like, 60%>40%.


Rofl. Ino takes over bunta's body ?? seriously ???

how is Shika going to catch Naruto with kage mane when he had so much difficult catching hidan ???

Hinata can be a bother ?? how ?? She is terrible.

Any of Naruto's toads can solo this Naruto doesn't even need to get involved.

Shrike
02-24-2009, 06:53 PM
Rofl. Ino takes over bunta's body ?? seriously ???

Why not, exactly? D:

how is Shika going to catch Naruto with kage mane when he had so much difficult catching hidan ???

Because he has the numbers advantage?

Hinata can be a bother ?? how ?? She is terrible.

I said, if she is on the level pre TS Neji was, she can be a bother.
128 hits Neji has to offer are faster then any regular blow of any other character.

Any of Naruto's toads can solo this Naruto doesn't even need to get involved.

That makes you sound like such a fanboy, you cannot even imagine.
It is obvious that it is not true.

Law&Order
02-24-2009, 07:00 PM
I don't see Shika holding down Naruto with Kage Mane. It has been shown that you can overcome it with brute strength and holding him down in Sage Mode seems like an impossible task, he would have to be pretty damn close to Naruto to have the chakra strength to hold him.

Myth
02-24-2009, 07:02 PM
Why not, exactly? D:



Because he has the numbers advantage?



I said, if she is on the level pre TS Neji was, she can be a bother.
128 hits Neji has to offer are faster then any regular blow of any other character.



That makes you sound like such a fanboy, you cannot even imagine.
It is obvious that it is not true.

Gamabuntan would obliterate those kids he can leap thousand of feet up one or 2 water bullets and its over...

Naruto is faster stronger def thinks better then any of em he outclasses them in everything by levels and levels they prob will never reach.

Dagoro
02-24-2009, 07:08 PM
Ino has no manga feats to back this up. Her dad has shown the ablility to manipulate multiple targets Ino has not. Seriously what makes you think she can take control of a creature like Bunta ??



Shika also had the numerical edge during the hidan fight yet it took hidan staying still for him to finally catch him with kage mane. Naruto was able to speed blitz a body that used rockets to move
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/430/16/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/430/17-18/


the condition you set for hinata would make 0 difference. the key to beating a byakugan/junken user is overwhelming speed. SM naruto has that.

i sound like a fanboy?? Please provide canon evidence that any of these rookies can deal with a Boss summon.

Naruto brings out bunta and the fight is over, why ?? because of this
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/135/12/

the moment bunta gets airbourne he can easily bombard the field with suiton bullets. Neji might be able to survive this with kaiten but would die to bunta's landing or his sword.

Bunta is quite fast
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/135/03/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/135/04/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/135/05/

pretty much unless you have a Summon of equal caliber you are screwed.
Here is a great example.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/124/09/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/124/10/

Shrike
02-24-2009, 07:53 PM
I don't see Shika holding down Naruto with Kage Mane. It has been shown that you can overcome it with brute strength and holding him down in Sage Mode seems like an impossible task, he would have to be pretty damn close to Naruto to have the chakra strength to hold him.

Yeah, but he only needs a few seconds of holding Naruto. That much he can do. After his tenketsu's are hit, Naruto is done.

Gamabuntan would obliterate those kids he can leap thousand of feet up one or 2 water bullets and its over...

Naruto is faster stronger def thinks better then any of em he outclasses them in everything by levels and levels they prob will never reach.

Yeah, he does. And yeah, they will definitely never reach him, not just probably.
But in Naruto, when you are fighting multiple enemies, it is clear as day that it isn't as simple as in other power-level mangas, such as Bleach.

Ino has no manga feats to back this up. Her dad has shown the ablility to manipulate multiple targets Ino has not. Seriously what makes you think she can take control of a creature like Bunta ??

Multiple targets? We said Naruto has one summon.
All she needs is Bunta, and Bunta is hard to miss.
What makes you think she cannot?
The Yamanaka ability is similar to genjutsu, and genjutsu works on summons normally. Don't believe me? Check Sasuke controlling Manda.

Shika also had the numerical edge during the hidan fight yet it took hidan staying still for him to finally catch him with kage mane. Naruto was able to speed blitz a body that used rockets to move
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/430/16/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/430/17-18/

That he did, and Naruto is a lot faster then any one of the rookies except Gates Lee, who is somewhere around that level probably.

the condition you set for hinata would make 0 difference. the key to beating a byakugan/junken user is overwhelming speed. SM naruto has that.

You forget. Naruto is fighting all of them at once. Not one at a time. They would be a soup if they came at him one by one.
Shika needs to hold him for one second, and Hinata will make a huge difference.

i sound like a fanboy?? Please provide canon evidence that any of these rookies can deal with a Boss summon.

You ask me for an evidence that I cannot show, and neither can you.
Or you want to say that you know they can't deal with the boss summon?

Naruto brings out bunta and the fight is over, why ?? because of this
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/135/12/

I don't like to repeat myself.
I said Ino makes the difference. If she doesn't, Naruto wins.

the moment bunta gets airbourne he can easily bombard the field with suiton bullets. Neji might be able to survive this with kaiten but would die to bunta's landing or his sword.

Bunta won't just jump around like a jester as soon as the fight start. Neji isn't included in this fight.

Bunta is quite fast
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/135/03/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/135/04/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/135/05/

Actually, he isn't. Pain dodged every single of his swings. Pain's speed is desirable, but he isn't Itachi level.

pretty much unless you have a Summon of equal caliber you are screwed.
Here is a great example.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/124/09/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/124/10/

Another great example is Pain defeating 3 huge summons without a summon. But the rookies aren't Pain, so they can't come anywhere close.
I told you the way of winning already.
Bunta shits on them all if he isn't disabled.

You have Shino who can fight well, and Kiba who can become huge with transformation. Huge enough to stop Bunta for a few seconds. That is enough.

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Now, tell me that you really think that they have 0 chance of winning?

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-24-2009, 08:00 PM
Gamabuntan would obliterate those kids he can leap thousand of feet up one or 2 water bullets and its over...

Naruto is faster stronger def thinks better then any of em he outclasses them in everything by levels and levels they prob will never reach.

Naruto isnt faster than a couple gates lee or neji with his 128 palms jutsu which could have multiplied after three years of trainig. Naruto is at best on Nejis level of intelligence. However, Shino, Shika and sakura are on whole different levels.

ALright, here we go. For one, neji will notice the huge amount of chakra naruto has and definitly warn the others. To start off the fight, Neji, lee and Kiba will be best since theyre great at taijutsu. So, while those three are fighting an revealing narutos strengths and weaknesess to shika and Shino allowing them to make a plan of attack. Ten ten can sit back and throw explosive kunai to help Neji, kiba and lee fend off narutos attacks which can help for very long. So, after kiba has fallen to a rasengan. Nejis on his last limb from overusing his byakugan and Lee is about to realese five gates.

Meanwhile, Shino and Shika have come up with a plan to take down naruto and Gama in one shot. So, after naruto at his level cant keep up with Lee with five gates released Summons two KBs to help keep an eye out. SO, after Lee beats the two KBs and the gets knocked out with frog kakats. narutos prepared to use the RS. Neji steps infront of everyone. Naruto throws the RS right at neji then, neji with the last of his chakra Uses a rotation of all rotations to take the brunt of the blast so then only Ten ten dies from being useless, lol. Now, with neji, lee, kiba and ten ten out. Shika and shino are prepared to unleash a counter attack.

Ill be back in a couple of hours so for now.

TO BE CONTINUED!

Dagoro
02-24-2009, 08:13 PM
Yeah, but he only needs a few seconds of holding Naruto. That much he can do. After his tenketsu's are hit, Naruto is done.



Yeah, he does. And yeah, they will definitely never reach him, not just probably.
But in Naruto, when you are fighting multiple enemies, it is clear as day that it isn't as simple as in other power-level mangas, such as Bleach.



Multiple targets? We said Naruto has one summon.
All she needs is Bunta, and Bunta is hard to miss.
What makes you think she cannot?
The Yamanaka ability is similar to genjutsu, and genjutsu works on summons normally. Don't believe me? Check Sasuke controlling Manda.



That he did, and Naruto is a lot faster then any one of the rookies except Gates Lee, who is somewhere around that level probably.



You forget. Naruto is fighting all of them at once. Not one at a time. They would be a soup if they came at him one by one.
Shika needs to hold him for one second, and Hinata will make a huge difference.



You ask me for an evidence that I cannot show, and neither can you.
Or you want to say that you know they can't deal with the boss summon?



I don't like to repeat myself.
I said Ino makes the difference. If she doesn't, Naruto wins.



Bunta won't just jump around like a jester as soon as the fight start. Neji isn't included in this fight.



Actually, he isn't. Pain dodged every single of his swings. Pain's speed is desirable, but he isn't Itachi level.



Another great example is Pain defeating 3 huge summons without a summon. But the rookies aren't Pain, so they can't come anywhere close.
I told you the way of winning already.
Bunta shits on them all if he isn't disabled.

You have Shino who can fight well, and Kiba who can become huge with transformation. Huge enough to stop Bunta for a few seconds. That is enough.

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Now, tell me that you really think that they have 0 chance of winning?

Let me see if i get this straight, you're comparing Ino's lame mind switch ability with Sharingan ?? you got to be joking.

you wan't proof that ino can't take over a summon here it is
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/425/12-13/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/425/14/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/425/15/

where was ino taking over summons than ?? Face it Ino= useless.

want proof that none of the rookies or almost all ninja in konoha can't deal with summons, here it is
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/425/09/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/425/10/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/425/11/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/124/09/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/124/09/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/124/11/

In the Oro invasion arc they couldn't even take down a fodder snake imagine if that was manda.

The rookie 10 that includes neji

Lol man you can't compare Deva with the rookies. The guy destroyed the entire village with 1 jutsu and he tossed the toads around because only HG and him were up meaning he was receiving more chakra than before. None of the rookies have anything that would even come close to ST.

Seriously using Deva, itachi and Sasuke as base to support that the rookie 10 have a chance fails. These ninja are monsters, the only 2 rookies who aren't completely useless are neji and lee.
No comparison.

@ KYF

I knew you would eventually post on this, you don't miss a chance to flame Naruto. I won't even bother tearing down your post with the mountain of manga evidence that pretty much proves that the rookies won't be able to acconplish any of those things you mentioned.

Neji deflects FRS with Kaiten ?? really ?? he deflects a S-rank jutsu with a c-b rank jutsu like kaiten ???

Kiba and shino take prepare to take down Naruto and Bunta with 1 shot ??? with what ??
Kiba and lee deflect Naruto's attacks for a while ?? with what lol ??

Neji, lee and tenten lost to 30% kisame, Ino, chouji almost died to Kazuzo twice. Kiba, shino and hinata are so fodder they barely got any panels to even build an argument.

Shrike
02-24-2009, 08:26 PM
Let me see if i get this straight, you're comparing Ino's lame mind switch ability with Sharingan ?? you got to be joking.

you wan't proof that ino can't take over a summon here it is
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/425/12-13/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/425/14/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/425/15/

where was ino taking over summons than ?? Face it Ino= useless.

That proves nothing.
You know what happens when they take over someone? If that someone is hurt, they are hurt as well. Kinda wouldn't make sense to switch yourself with an animal that is about to be attacked by the ANBU.

Though, they could have reacted.

Maybe you are right, maybe you are not.

Ino's mind switch ability is better then the regular Sharingan genjutsu, mind it. If you use it well.

want proof that none of the rookies or almost all ninja in konoha can't deal with summons, here it is
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/425/09/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/425/10/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/425/11/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/124/09/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/124/09/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/124/11/

In the Oro invasion arc they couldn't even take down a fodder snake imagine if that was manda.

Probably, they can't.
But I said they can hold it for a while, and you are ignoring everything you cannot counter. Convenient, but useless in a debate.

The rookie 10 that includes neji

No. The Rookie 9 are Teams 7, 8 and 10. Not team Gai.
If the one who set up this match up set Neji there, then cool. Then it's 11 shinobi vs Naruto.

Lol man you can't compare Deva with the rookies. The guy destroyed the entire village with 1 jutsu and he tossed the toads around because only HG and him were up meaning he was receiving more chakra than before. None of the roolies have anything that would even come close to ST.

Seriously using Deva, itachi and Sasuke as base to support that the rookie 10 have a chance fails. These ninja are monsters, the only 2 rookies who aren't completely useless are neji and lee. No comparison.

I didn't compare Deva. I just said that he can do it since you mentioned that you need the summon of the same caliber.

Are you even reading what I wrote?

By the way, the ANBU guys can take on a boss summon, as seen with the dog summon of Pain.
The only thing that got him out was that he can multiply. If any other summon was caught in those 3 jutsu, it would be defeated probably.

As I said I hate repeating, so until you really take everything realistically into account, I don't need to answer.

Dagoro
02-24-2009, 08:34 PM
That proves nothing.
You know what happens when they take over someone? If that someone is hurt, they are hurt as well. Kinda wouldn't make sense to switch yourself with an animal that is about to be attacked by the ANBU.

Though, they could have reacted.

Maybe you are right, maybe you are not.

Ino's mind switch ability is better then the regular Sharingan genjutsu, mind it. If you use it well.



Probably, they can't.
But I said they can hold it for a while, and you are ignoring everything you cannot counter. Convenient, but useless in a debate.



No. The Rookie 9 are Teams 7, 8 and 10. Not team Gai.
If the one who set up this match up set Neji there, then cool. Then it's 11 shinobi vs Naruto.



I didn't compare Deva. I just said that he can do it since you mentioned that you need the summon of the same caliber.

Are you even reading what I wrote?

By the way, the ANBU guys can take on a boss summon, as seen with the dog summon of Pain.
The only thing that got him out was that he can multiply. If any other summon was caught in those 3 jutsu, it would be defeated probably.

As I said I hate repeating, so until you really take everything realistically into account, I don't need to answer.


If you read the OP you would know that i included Neji

Ino's mind abilities are better than Sharingan genjutsu control ?? right !!

AR powerful summons could only be matched by Naruto no one else in Konoha can boast this. Deva is pretty much at another lvl when he is alone, i would think me spon feeding info here would not be necessary. None of the rookies have a jutsu strong enough to put down a high lvl summon other wise Ar's summons would not have bulldozed through the village.

Again please, canon proof of feats that can back up the notion that they can take down a high lvl boss summon.

Shrike
02-24-2009, 08:38 PM
Naruto isnt faster than a couple gates lee or neji with his 128 palms jutsu which could have multiplied after three years of trainig. Naruto is at best on Nejis level of intelligence. However, Shino, Shika and sakura are on whole different levels.

Okay, that can be taken as a formidable opinion.

ALright, here we go. For one, neji will notice the huge amount of chakra naruto has and definitly warn the others. To start off the fight, Neji, lee and Kiba will be best since theyre great at taijutsu. So, while those three are fighting an revealing narutos strengths and weaknesess to shika and Shino allowing them to make a plan of attack. Ten ten can sit back and throw explosive kunai to help Neji, kiba and lee fend off narutos attacks which can help for very long. So, after kiba has fallen to a rasengan. Nejis on his last limb from overusing his byakugan and Lee is about to realese five gates.

Neji comment, ok.
Neji, Lee, and Kiba will be the best?
Frog katas would stomp Kiba. Neji and Lee shouldn't jump in their death as well.
If both Neji and Lee attacked Naruto, they could take him, Lee with speed blitz and Neji with 128 hits.
But, you forgot that Naruto has 2 clones. If they attacked alone, Naruto would cook them.

TenTen can help distract Naruto, that is true.
Meanwhile, Shino and Shika have come up with a plan to take down naruto and Gama in one shot. So, after naruto at his level cant keep up with Lee with five gates released Summons two KBs to help keep an eye out. SO, after Lee beats the two KBs and the gets knocked out with frog kakats. narutos prepared to use the RS. Neji steps infront of everyone. Naruto throws the RS right at neji then, neji with the last of his chakra Uses a rotation of all rotations to take the brunt of the blast so then only Ten ten dies from being useless, lol. Now, with neji, lee, kiba and ten ten out. Shika and shino are prepared to unleash a counter attack.

Lee beats the two KB's?
Did you not see those two huge fucking Rasengan's that blew boss summons?

Seriously, it wouldn't work anywhere near that fight in your mind.

If you read the OP you would know that i included Neji

Ino's mind abilities are better than Sharingan genjutsu control ?? right !!

AR powerful summons could only be matched by Naruto no one else in Konoha can boast this. Deva is pretty much at another lvl when he is alone, i would think me spon feeding info here would not be necessary. None of the rookies have a jutsu strong enough to put down a high lvl summon other wise Ar's summons would not have bulldozed through the village.

Again please, canon proof of feats that can back up the notion that they can take down a high lvl boss summon.

Sorry, you dismiss logical opinions with biased thinking, so I won't answer.

You ask for a proof, when you didn't answer to a half of the things said.

Dagoro
02-24-2009, 08:43 PM
Sorry, you dismiss logical opinions with biased thinking, so I won't answer.
You ask for a proof, when you didn't answer to a half of the things said.


actually bias opinion would be saying " Naruto is a freaking god, no one can take him down" when thats not the case.

However the idea that these 10 ninja who are all average can take down Sm naruto who is a high S-rank ninja is ludicrous. Naruto's feats >> the feats of the 10 and that is canon fact.

Sauron
02-24-2009, 08:49 PM
No offense but people are jumping on Naruto's balls a little much. This battle shouldn't even be discussed because we really haven't seen a good display of each ones abilities. All we know is that Naruto is fucking a powerhouse in sm. Also Sakura packs a punch, Ino seems the same, Shikamaru has a few new techs, and choji seems a little stronger. And that is pretty much it because no one else has really fought.

Like I said before the battle leans toward Naruto no doubt. But having Shika in there and teaming with all the rookies... I don't know man. This dude has been a master of pulling shit out of his ass.(=upsets) Shikamaru battle plans would consist of slowing down Naruto and trying to make him and his abilities neutralized. How? I don't fucking know because we haven't seen enough of anyone else to know how they could match up.

Can we move on?

(Master vs Grasshopper) Sasuke vs Kakashi , @ the old training ground of team 7, restrictions- Sasuke can't use the ultimate lighting attack and Kakashi can't use his ms put into a different dimension.

Who wins? Sorry if this was already posted, too lazy to check.

Dagoro
02-24-2009, 08:51 PM
Is this Hebi Sasuke or Taka sasuke ?? If its taka is his Ms restricted ??

Shrike
02-24-2009, 08:57 PM
No offense but people are jumping on Naruto's balls a little much. This battle shouldn't even be discussed because we really haven't seen a good display of each ones abilities. All we know is that Naruto is fucking a powerhouse in sm. Also Sakura packs a punch, Ino seems the same, Shikamaru has a few new techs, and choji seems a little stronger. And that is pretty much it because no one else has really fought.

Like I said before the battle leans toward Naruto no doubt. But having Shika in there and teaming with all the rookies... I don't know man. This dude has been a master of pulling shit out of his ass.(=upsets) Shikamaru battle plans would consist of slowing down Naruto and trying to make him and his abilities neutralized. How? I don't fucking know because we haven't seen enough of anyone else to know how they could match up.

Can we move on?

(Master vs Grasshopper) Sasuke vs Kakashi , @ the old training ground of team 7, restrictions- Sasuke can't use the ultimate lighting attack and Kakashi can't use his ms put into a different dimension.

Who wins? Sorry if this was already posted, too lazy to check.

Oh, someone who can take more things into account then just Naruto being godlike.

The only thing I really hate is when fans of some character spoon feed me his super awesome power level.

As for Sasuke vs Kakashi, I'd go with Sasuke, but it's really a close one.
Kakashi is the better tactician, even though Sasuke ain't half bad himself. Sasuke has better combination of jutsus (what we saw so far) and better variations of Chidori.

If Sasuke has the CS, then he has the upper hand at the start.

Sauron
02-24-2009, 09:03 PM
This is Sasuke and Kakashi healthy but current.

And I'm not on Naruto's thing but he is at another level that is acknowledge by at least Shikamaru's dad.

Dagoro
02-24-2009, 09:05 PM
Call it fandom all you want but the fact remains that proof of these fabled rookie super skills have yet to be posted here. All im hearing are If's and Buts.

Those 10 are fodder. Naruto isn't the only one who can smoke them all together, Sasuke, KB, Madara, Kisame and Pein can do it too. Dead people who could smoke the 10 if they we're still alive: Jiraya, Oro, itachi, Deidara, Kazuzo and Sasori.

Anyway.

kakashi vs Hebi Sasuke.

Sasuke rapes. He is faster, has better jutsu, taijutsu and summons not to mention his sharingan won't devour his chakra like Kakashi's does. Throw in Yamata no ochi and its overkill.

Kakashi vs Taka Sasuke.

Sasuke doesn't rape but wins still specially since Kakashi's MS is restricted.

Sauron
02-24-2009, 09:13 PM
Kakashi vs Taka Sasuke.

Sasuke doesn't rape but wins still specially since Kakashi's MS is restricted.

It's a better fight I think like this. Ya I have Sasuke picked for the win and the clash would be epic.

Dagoro
02-24-2009, 09:30 PM
It's a better fight I think like this. Ya I have Sasuke picked for the win and the clash would be epic.

Thats is why i argued that Hebi Sasuke > Taka Sasuke in a different thread. He lost his stat boosting abilities and Yamata no ochi ( possibly WS regen) for MS sharingan.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-24-2009, 10:39 PM
Okay, that can be taken as a formidable opinion.

[QUOTE]

Neji comment, ok.
Neji, Lee, and Kiba will be the best?
Frog katas would stomp Kiba. Neji and Lee shouldn't jump in their death as well.
If both Neji and Lee attacked Naruto, they could take him, Lee with speed blitz and Neji with 128 hits.
But, you forgot that Naruto has 2 clones. If they attacked alone, Naruto would cook them.
Lee already beat the two KB before getting Koed by the real narutos frog katas in my post.

TenTen can help distract Naruto, that is true.


Lee beats the two KB's?
Did you not see those two huge fucking Rasengan's that blew boss summons?
your underestimating Lees Speed here. Naruto could have a RS in each hand, bu that doesnt mean narutos going to hit Lees quick ass, lol. With lees speed, he could easily dodge those rasengans and get the KBs from behind. Its very reasonable. Speed defeats power!

Seriously, it wouldn't work anywhere near that fight in your mind.Whoa, i wasnt finished. i had to go somewhere, but Ill finish it now.

Continued!!!

Also, I forgot to ad before that chouji with his expantion jutsu was keeping Gama busy.

now, Naruto has used his RS and is very low on sage chakra. Meanwhile, Shino and shika are going on the attack. With shino leading, Naruto quickly charges and hits shino with a rasengan. however, it was a bug clone and now the bugs are swarming naruto, but they are only a distraction so Shika can catch naruto with his Shadow posession jutsu.

Since naruto has so much chakra. Shinos bugs wouldnt be able to eat all the chakra even with naruto wore down like he is so the bugs were just used as a distraction. Now, After a short talk with naruto to try and make him give up and to no avail of course, lol. Shika then says inos name, she says shes done and ready. With naruto unable to dodge, Ino captures naruto in her Mind transfer jutsu. Now, with shikas and Inos jutsu combined. They have full control over narutos movements.

Suddenly, Shika asks ino if shes ready and she says yes. So, Shika starts leading naruto over towards chouji and gama who are in a push contest because theres not enough room to have a long distance battle, "the chunnin exam area!". now, just as naruto reaches gama and chouji. Shika form a fist, rears back and tells chouji to duck. WHile chouji ducks Gama falls forward and is upper cutted by naruto under shika and inos control, sending him 50 feet high and out of the fight.

However, just as shika plans to finish naruto. the kyuubi appears, forces ino out of his head and out of the fight. Now, with shika almost out of chakra the jutsu fails and narutos charges shika ready to murder him for what he just did, lol. Suddenly, BOOM! Naruto is intercepted by Lees lotus that knocks him in the air. Then just as Lee raps naruto up in his hand raps while also holding his arms down, Neji Jumps to meet them in mid air, Gets into eight triagram position and unleashes 128 palms cutting off all of narutos chakra points, just to be followed by lee SPiking naruto head first into the ground with Lotus force no less.

Now, dont start saying WTF just yet! Remember Shika wasted some time by talking to naruto for a litle while that gave ino enough time to heal Lee and neji for one more attack before assisting shika with his, remember Ino: "Im done and ready" She wasnt brushing her teeth lol. Anyways, naruto without enough sage chakra to weather off nejis gentle fist then with no sage chakra at all, was left KOed by Lee SPiking him into the ground so hard. So, with naruto out cold his clones will disapear and even if they didnt, he wouldnt be able to summon them in his position, right.

The 10 win!

Well, that is until the kyuubi takes over narutos uncontious body and Kills the whole village including the 10, lol.

Kreglze
02-24-2009, 10:55 PM
Haha so true what yellow flash said above, all be it Naruto is made out on forums to be a god among men, but the Konaha 10 are not pushovers, Neji is a jounin, Lee has his gates, Shikamaru is a master strategist and Sakura is a great medical ninja with power to boot...

People are talking like in a Finger twitch by Naruto the 10 will be blown away, he has that one summon to his advantage, but Choji expansion and Kiba/Akamaru wolf form could have that covered or at least hold him off for a period of time leaving 1 on 8, Shadow possesion chasing naruto keeps him off balance and while all this is going on have everyone else unleash on naruto except of course Ino who stands back and if shadow possesion is successful mind transfer, then game goes to the Konaha 10...

But then as someone said Naruto on death bed 9 tails = destruction of village... =)

Oh for the most recent one, Sasuke would own Kakashi without his MS...

My 2 cents worth

Myth
02-24-2009, 11:01 PM
first off shrike regardless of what u say there is no proof ino can overtake anything with that much power she never has and prob never will .....

konoha yellow flash ur as dumb as always..

these gennin have nothing on naruto not in speed not in power not in taijutsu not chakra not in durability not in nothing naruto took down 5 pains with ease demon realm alone would kill have the village.... and he got laied out with 1 hit because naruto out ran him and he was flying with a rocket.

128 palsm lol they're only good if u can get into range naruto has seen this move more then once and lived it out he won't fall for the same thing.

kiba other then fang over fang he has nothing hasn't shown a single other jutsu since part 2 started... he would be uselss since naruto knows this move and knows how to beat it plus naruto's speed everyone elses on that field cept for maybe 5 gated lee.

hinta non factor

sakura non factor

ino non factor

in all ends please this fight is a fucking joke anyone of of em gets close to naruto and they will die like this guy http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/431/13/ ll naruto has to do is throw a punch and miss it...

or he can jump 100 feet in the air and use rasenshruiken from the sky to kill em all while gamabuntan uses toad water bullet which equal total obliterTION.

and both naruto and buntan can jump that high and higher..

fight done... u ppl can argue this all day for all i care, i just drew up a scenerio with buntan and naruto which none of them can avoid. that and not one of them have shown any ability to deal with naruto and buntan

thread done/

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-24-2009, 11:03 PM
Haha so true what yellow flash said above, all be it Naruto is made out on forums to be a god among men, but the Konaha 10 are not pushovers, Neji is a jounin, Lee has his gates, Shikamaru is a master strategist and Sakura is a great medical ninja with power to boot...

People are talking like in a Finger twitch by Naruto the 10 will be blown away, he has that one summon to his advantage, but Choji expansion and Kiba/Akamaru wolf form could have that covered or at least hold him off for a period of time leaving 1 on 8, Shadow possesion chasing naruto keeps him off balance and while all this is going on have everyone else unleash on naruto except of course Ino who stands back and if shadow possesion is successful mind transfer, then game goes to the Konaha 10...

But then as someone said Naruto on death bed 9 tails = destruction of village... =)

Oh for the most recent one, Sasuke would own Kakashi without his MS...

My 2 cents worth

LMAO! I forgot to add sakura to the fight. Oh well, they beat sage naruto anyways.

on the other hand. It wouldve been easier with sakura there. Why dont we just say she was fighting bunta with chouji.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-24-2009, 11:11 PM
SOrry for the double post Mods.


first off shrike regardless of what u say there is no proof ino can overtake anything with that much power she never has and prob never will .....

konoha yellow flash ur as dumb as always..

these gennin have nothing on naruto not in speed not in power not in taijutsu not chakra not in durability not in nothing naruto took down 5 pains with ease demon realm alone would kill have the village.... and he got laied out with 1 hit because naruto out ran him and he was flying with a rocket.

128 palsm lol they're only good if u can get into range naruto has seen this move more then once and lived it out he won't fall for the same thing.

kiba other then fang over fang he has nothing hasn't shown a single other jutsu since part 2 started... he would be uselss since naruto knows this move and knows how to beat it plus naruto's speed everyone elses on that field cept for maybe 5 gated lee.

hinta non factor

sakura non factor

ino non factor

in all ends please this fight is a fucking joke anyone of of em gets close to naruto and they will die like this guy http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/431/13/ ll naruto has to do is throw a punch and miss it...

or he can jump 100 feet in the air and use rasenshruiken from the sky to kill em all while gamabuntan uses toad water bullet which equal total obliterTION.

and both naruto and buntan can jump that high and higher..

fight done... u ppl can argue this all day for all i care, i just drew up a scenerio with buntan and naruto which none of them can avoid. that and not one of them have shown any ability to deal with naruto and buntan

thread done/

LOL! Did you even read the rest of my VS post? Well, clearly you didnt since you brought up stuff I already adressed in my post. Still, it would be nice if you would actually size the 10 and naruto up, then share with us how he will win the fight "which we know he can, but naruto as ive shown is capable of losing the fight as well".

NArutos durable, strong, only in my mind really fast and has an assload of chakra. We Know this, lol!!! Thats why I coordinated the 10's abilities to counter his strengths and thus KO naruto in the end only to be killed by the kyuubi because lets be realistic, after giving thyre all just to beat sage naruto. They would have nothing left to beat Kyuubi naruto so they would lose brutally.

Myth
02-25-2009, 12:22 AM
SOrry for the double post Mods.




LOL! Did you even read the rest of my VS post? Well, clearly you didnt since you brought up stuff I already adressed in my post. Still, it would be nice if you would actually size the 10 and naruto up, then share with us how he will win the fight "which we know he can, but naruto as ive shown is capable of losing the fight as well".

NArutos durable, strong, only in my mind really fast and has an assload of chakra. We Know this, lol!!! Thats why I coordinated the 10's abilities to counter his strengths and thus KO naruto in the end only to be killed by the kyuubi because lets be realistic, after giving thyre all just to beat sage naruto. They would have nothing left to beat Kyuubi naruto so they would lose brutally.



as i said 1 leap and the fight is over bye bye and not of of those gennin could do anything...

Sauron
02-25-2009, 12:32 AM
as i said 1 leap and the fight is over bye bye and not of of those gennin could do anything...

Except lee in gates mode or with liquor or both!!!.....I think the rookies are heavily being underestimated. Especially if Shikamaru has time to account everyone's abilities.
I'm not saying it's certain but you definitely can't say they don't have a chance.
I will say it would be much harder if the scenario on Naruto's side started with Bunta. Then I think there chances would go down alot.

If shika devised a plan to hold naruto for one shadow binding you add ino's jutsu and it don't look good. I think shika would have to make sacrificing piece (he wouldn't tell the team just plan around it) but would involve stabilizing Naruto to fuck him over.

Dagoro
02-25-2009, 12:35 AM
Kage mane can be overwhelmed by brute strenght, Naruto is pretty much the Hulk in sage mode. Ino's ability would also count for nothing. She tries to mind switch with Naruto and the Kyubi would give her the mind fucking of a life time.

Myth
02-25-2009, 12:38 AM
Except lee in gates mode or with liquor or both!!!.....I think the rookies are heavily being underestimated. Especially if Shikamaru has time to account everyone's abilities.
I'm not saying it's certain but you definitely can't say they don't have a chance.
I will say it would be much harder if the scenario on Naruto's side started with Bunta. Then I think there chances would go down alot.

If shika devised a plan to hold naruto for one shadow binding you add ino's jutsu and it don't look good. I think shika would have to make sacrificing piece (he wouldn't tell the team just plan around it) but would involve stabilizing Naruto to fuck him over.

if ur to strong to hold shika can't lol naruto's more powerful then all of them even without sage mode

lee doesn't fly in gated mode he can jump high but nothing close to how high naruto jumps or gama buntan and as i said they have no time for nothing naruto and gama take flight and bring the house down.

Dagoro
02-25-2009, 12:45 AM
if ur to strong to hold shika can't lol naruto's more powerful then all of them even without sage mode

lee doesn't fly in gated mode he can jump high but nothing close to how high naruto jumps or gama buntan and as i said they have no time for nothing naruto and gama take flight and bring the house down.

Pretty much.

Let me make something clear. Im not hating on any of the 10. I like most of them with the exception of Kiba and ino who are seriously stuck up. I would love to see some progress from them but there are none.

KYF said Shino and kiba can come up with a plan to take down Naruto and bunta in 1 shot, How ?? im sorry but they just don't have the tools to do it.

Shika is an awesome strategist when he has time to think, but Naruto in SM serves one ubber attack after another there is just no time. Just look at the Pein fight as an example.

Shika came up with a great plan against hidan and kazuzo yet Ino ( useless in that fight), chouji ( ditto ) and kakashi almost died.

No matter how great a plan is if you don't have the tools to pull it off it all becomes useless.

The 10 have almost no ninjutsu, all but 2 are terrible in taijutsu and none of them can use genjutsu. This is pretty much a rape scenario.

Anyway i have one

Taka Sasuke vs Current Neji
Restrictions: No Ms for Sasuke. Neji can use all he has shown so far.
Location: Konoha training grounds.

Both are bloodlusted.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-25-2009, 12:55 AM
if ur to strong to hold shika can't lol naruto's more powerful then all of them even without sage mode

lee doesn't fly in gated mode he can jump high but nothing close to how high naruto jumps or gama buntan and as i said they have no time for nothing naruto and gama take flight and bring the house down.

Thats crazy! For one, Gated Lee could Make a fool out of naruto even in sage mode. Gated Lees speed is most likely beyond Minatos after three more years of building chakra, speed and perfecting the forbidden lotus. not to mention the upsurge of chakra effect Lee the same way SM effects naruto. Well, maybe not more durability, but strength, speed, power, focus ect. The only difference is that it doesnt last over a minute or so.

either way the 10 original have a chance to coordinate their abilities, fend off naruto and then find a way to win with shika and shino intelligence. You act as though naruto will just start the fight with a RS which stll wouldnt win off the bat. Neji could risk his life and use rotation to take the brunt of the RS and redirct the power or he could use his chakra exspelling jutsu to hit the RS and preignite it before it gets close enough to do any real damage to the 10 original. Take your pick!


Dagoro1988
KYF said Shino and kiba can come up with a plan to take down Naruto and bunta in 1 shot, How ?? im sorry but they just don't have the tools to do it.

Shika is an awesome strategist when he has time to think, but Naruto in SM serves one ubber attack after another there is just no time. Just look at the Pein fight as an example.

Shika came up with a great plan against hidan and kazuzo yet Ino ( useless in that fight), chouji ( ditto ) and kakashi almost died.

No matter how great a plan is if you don't have the tools to pull it off it all becomes useless.



The 10 have almost no ninjutsu, all but 2 are terrible in taijutsu and none of them can use genjutsu. This is pretty much a rape scenario.

What do you mean how? If you read my post then you should know what I came up with. ANd the Combo of Shikas Shadow posession with inos Mind transfer would take over naruto, have him attack bunta "uppercut to be percise" and then after Inos booted from narutos mind and shikas SP fails. The healed Lee and Neji "thaks to inos medical NIN" Use the last of their chakra to take out Naruto. SIghs, just read the continueation of the post you read. its all in there

Myth
02-25-2009, 12:57 AM
Thats crazy! For one, Gated Lee could Make a fool out of naruto even in sage mode. Gated Lees speed is most likely beyond Minatos after three more years of building chakra, speed and perfecting the forbidden lotus. not to mention the upsurge of chakra effect Lee the same way SM effects naruto. Well, maybe not more durability, but strength, speed, power, focus ect. The only difference is that it doesnt last over a minute or so.beyond mianto's roflll proof please last i checked minato was so fast he made reflections of him self:rolleyes: oh yeah he could also use time space jutsu to wipe out armies in seconds yeah lee is def faster then that rfolll ....

as i said leap attack fight over.

Dagoro
02-25-2009, 01:02 AM
Thats crazy! For one, Gated Lee could Make a fool out of naruto even in sage mode. Gated Lees speed is most likely beyond Minatos after three more years of building chakra, speed and perfecting the forbidden lotus. not to mention the upsurge of chakra effect Lee the same way SM effects naruto. Well, maybe not more durability, but strength, speed, power, focus ect. The only difference is that it doesnt last over a minute or so.

either way the 10 original have a chance to coordinate their abilities, fend off naruto and then find a way to win with shika and shino intelligence. You act as though naruto will just start the fight with a RS which stll wouldnt win off the bat. Neji could risk his life and use rotation to take the brunt of the RS and redirct the power or he could use his chakra exspelling jutsu to hit the RS and preignite it before it gets close enough to do any real damage to the 10 original. Take your pick!

Lee faster than minato......wow !!!!
Lee is so boss in gate mode than Gaara survived all his attacks lol. Gai had to use it not to die to 30% kisame, seriously man you have no eveidence to back up that claim.

Explain what the 10 can use to fend off Naruto, also please show canon proof of kaiten deflecting something other than kunai. Please, FRS is an high S-rank jutsu than can cut mountains, kaiten would probably lose to chidori and reg rasengan.

Shino has bugs, big deal. If HG couldn't handle absorbing NE what can shino's bugs possibly do here ??

Once again, the 10 have almost no ninjutsu and the ones they have don;t even come close to
Naruto's.

@KYF

Canon proof plz. Ino's mind would turn into mush by the kyubi that tech will just not work. Shika had trouble catching hidan with kage mane there is no way he'll get naruto specially since naruto will be raining rasengans all over the place.

Why am i even debating this any further ?? lol Bunta takes this while Naruto has a snack.

Myth
02-25-2009, 01:07 AM
Lee faster than minato......wow !!!!
Lee is so boss in gate mode than Gaara survived all his attacks lol. Gai had to use it not to die to 30% kisame, seriously man you have no eveidence to back up that claim.

Explain what the 10 can use to fend off Naruto, also please show canon proof of kaiten deflecting something other than kunai. Please, FRS is an high S-rank jutsu than can cut mountains, kaiten would probably lose to chidori and reg rasengan.

Shino has bugs, big deal. If HG couldn't handle absorbing NE what can shino's bugs possibly do here ??

Once again, the 10 have almost no ninjutsu and the ones they have don;t even come close to Naruto's.

thing with this dumbo is he always thinks he is right even when he is wrong(which is always).


u know he's a moron when he says shit like lee gated is faster then mianto..



http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/240/09/

here we have the rock ninja looking at minato or so he thinks he is not realizing that mianto is really right

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/240/10/

here

He's so fast the rock nin thought he was seeing minato when in reality when he saw the bag start to fall minato was already behind him he moved so quick the bag couldn;t beat him to the floor.. and thats BEATING GRAVITY ITSELF

please for future reference don't use such claims especially when ur beloved "manga" is againt u in every shape and form..

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-25-2009, 01:22 AM
beyond mianto's roflll proof please last i checked minato was so fast he made reflections of him self:rolleyes: oh yeah he could also use time space jutsu to wipe out armies in seconds yeah lee is def faster then that rfolll ....

as i said leap attack fight over

Lee faster than minato......wow !!!!
Lee is so boss in gate mode than Gaara survived all his attacks lol. Gai had to use it not to die to 30% kisame, seriously man you have no eveidence to back up that claim.

Explain what the 10 can use to fend off Naruto, also please show canon proof of kaiten deflecting something other than kunai. Please, FRS is an high S-rank jutsu than can cut mountains, kaiten would probably lose to chidori and reg rasengan.
If you remember Nejis rotation deflected a Kyuubi naruto and thew the attack back at him forcing naruto to rely on strategy instead of overpowering his opponent.

OK, i know what your going to say so let me stop you. For one, the power naruto got from the kyuubi that time was even more than he got when he summond gama. That and Neji compared anruto chakra from that fight to what he saw kisame producing which was obviouly alot.

Shino has bugs, big deal. If HG couldn't handle absorbing NE what can shino's bugs possibly do here ??
Well for one, Shino bugs are a part of nature like frogs , so they should be more compatible to NE than humans I guess. That and I didnt have shinos bugs attack narutos sage chakra. again, please read my post.

Once again, the 10 have almost no ninjutsu and the ones they have don;t even come close to Naruto's.[/QUOTE]
Its not about how much or how big. Its about how you use it and shika and shino should be perfect for that decision, right.


comparing Lees speed with 5 or more gates to Minatos speed was a bit much. Still, I think you get my point, "naruto couldnt possibly keep up". And as for Lees power not hurting Gaara. For one, Gaara had on a shiled of sand which was compared to freaking armor. That and it took Lightning element just to penetrate it. Ahh, i almost forgot. Kakashi said Lee muscles were tearing apart so that would effect his performance greatly, wouldnt you agree. Lee wasnt skilled enough to use the jutsu and he payed the price. OK, now lets adress Gais six gates. Yes Kisame only had 30 of his chakra however, Kisame had the fighting on water which would have an effect on performance because you cant spring off of a liquid the way you can a solid. Well, that and the attack murdered Kisame, lol. It was overkill IMO.

Myth
02-25-2009, 01:26 AM
as i said..

naruto leaps gamabuntan leaps and ends the fight nothing any of them have shown could do anything about it... flying rasneshruiken and water bullet combo = death to all.. the water bullet itself can do the job just adding more umph to it

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-25-2009, 01:51 AM
as i said..

naruto leaps gamabuntan leaps and ends the fight nothing any of them have shown could do anything about it... flying rasneshruiken and water bullet combo = death to all.. the water bullet itself can do the job just adding more umph to it

Wait a minute! The 10 are just going to sit still let the water bullet and RS hit them? LOL, this is what I mean. Naruto has alot to offer this fight and thats all you can come up with. Well, A water bullet adn RS from that distance could be countered with sakura punching the ground that throwes up alot of debree to help shield while they scatter and wait for a counter attack. And I must say, with naruto and bunta falling in mid air makes it too easy, lol. Upon landing, naruto and Gama are at a disadvantage. So, if sakura and Chouiji intercept gama as he lands and score a powerful attack then gamas out. Then you have naruto Who can be attacked from all sides by the rest of the 10. So, naruto lands just to get hit by caght by shikas shadow posession just as he lands so naruto immobile for a few seconds which gives Hinata and neji time to come in on both sides and use a team of palms to obliterate narutos chakra network just so Lee can hit naruto with a gated lotus and then spike him from high in the sky giving the 10 the win.

Now, do you see what I did there.

Sauron
02-25-2009, 09:43 AM
Pretty much.

Let me make something clear. Im not hating on any of the 10. I like most of them with the exception of Kiba and ino who are seriously stuck up. I would love to see some progress from them but there are none.

KYF said Shino and kiba can come up with a plan to take down Naruto and bunta in 1 shot, How ?? im sorry but they just don't have the tools to do it.

Shika is an awesome strategist when he has time to think, but Naruto in SM serves one ubber attack after another there is just no time. Just look at the Pein fight as an example.

Shika came up with a great plan against hidan and kazuzo yet Ino ( useless in that fight), chouji ( ditto ) and kakashi almost died.

No matter how great a plan is if you don't have the tools to pull it off it all becomes useless.

The 10 have almost no ninjutsu, all but 2 are terrible in taijutsu and none of them can use genjutsu. This is pretty much a rape scenario.

Anyway i have one

Taka Sasuke vs Current Neji
Restrictions: No Ms for Sasuke. Neji can use all he has shown so far.
Location: Konoha training grounds.

Both are bloodlusted.

Dude, how would you know? They haven't even shown half of them in a real fight. Whatever I still think we can't predict a winner. Final word on it.

Sasuke hands down but it would be a good fight. Wait we haven't really seen Neji fight but I'm going to lean toward Sasuke on this one.

Myth
02-25-2009, 12:42 PM
Wait a minute! The 10 are just going to sit still let the water bullet and RS hit them? LOL, this is what I mean. Naruto has alot to offer this fight and thats all you can come up with. Well, A water bullet adn RS from that distance could be countered with sakura punching the ground that throwes up alot of debree to help shield while they scatter and wait for a counter attack. And I must say, with naruto and bunta falling in mid air makes it too easy, lol. Upon landing, naruto and Gama are at a disadvantage. So, if sakura and Chouiji intercept gama as he lands and score a powerful attack then gamas out. Then you have naruto Who can be attacked from all sides by the rest of the 10. So, naruto lands just to get hit by caght by shikas shadow posession just as he lands so naruto immobile for a few seconds which gives Hinata and neji time to come in on both sides and use a team of palms to obliterate narutos chakra network just so Lee can hit naruto with a gated lotus and then spike him from high in the sky giving the 10 the win.

Now, do you see what I did there.

nope all u did was rant stuff which won't work naruto leaps throws rs gama use water bullet place is evapiorized they don't know that rs can expand and water with wind creates a deadly deadly attack.. sorry they are out mtahced..

or he can go 6 tails and murder all of them right off the bat pick 1 either way u lose.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-25-2009, 11:29 PM
nope all u did was rant stuff which won't work naruto leaps throws rs gama use water bullet place is evapiorized they don't know that rs can expand and water with wind creates a deadly deadly attack.. sorry they are out mtahced..

or he can go 6 tails and murder all of them right off the bat pick 1 either way u lose.

Rant, lol. I coordinated a counter attack that could beat Gama and naruto. All you did was say no, then that naruto and gama could use the RS with a water bullet which is nt something they can do, lol.

Six tails naruto would require someone close to die before his eyes which isnt going to happen in this fight. So, thats out of the question.


Edit: sasuke vs Neji "no MS".

If sasuke stays out of close combat he can win. However, as skilled as sasuke is, if Neji can force sasuke into a taijutsu battle then I think he could win against sasuke.

Also, I considered how sasukes genjutsu would do on Neji and more I think about it, genjutsu just seems like a bad tactic to use on someone with the greatest chakra control in the known narutoverse.

Hurricane Chronicles
02-25-2009, 11:30 PM
Ya making me dizzy with all these long ass post lets try to shorten it guys we only have 24 hrs in a day i mean c'mon

Nexus
02-25-2009, 11:40 PM
Edit: sasuke vs Neji "no MS".
Based on what the databook info has shown, and what both parties have shown us in the past, I'll say Sasuke would defeat Neji.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-25-2009, 11:51 PM
Based on what the databook info has shown, and what both parties have shown us in the past, I'll say Sasuke would defeat Neji.

Sasuke definitly is suprior. However, Nejis Taijutsu is his greatest weapon. So, since ninjutsu wont do anything against Nejis perfect defense and genjutsu just seems like a bad Idea to use on someone that can control their chakra so well, they can shoot it like a canon ball, lol. So, that leaves taijutsu for sasuke which is a bad idea against Neji. I mean neji can shut off sasuke SG with one chakra strike to the chakra path that feuls the eyes. Now, sasukes going to come up with a strategy to find a way around nejis perfect defense. And knowing sasuke, he will. Still, neji can end the fight with one blow and since neji can keep up with sasukes speed with his BG "64/128 palms" speed isnt an advantage.

Sighs, my head hurts, lol. Lets just say sasuke can win if he stays out of close quarters combat, but Neji can win if he can force sasuke in close and use his palms jutsu on sasuke.

Kreglze
02-25-2009, 11:53 PM
Ahhh close battle with no MS, but Neji does have the Byakugon and both of their speeds would be impressive but I might give the slight edge to Sasuke if he can keep out of close range combat and use his long range techniques even then he has his rotation to deflect certain Sasuke offense...

Would make an interesting battle...