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Playa
02-26-2009, 08:27 AM
Sasuke would win, while Neji has superior taijutsu, he lacks the speed that Sasuke has...
Also Sasuke could use chidori nagashi to numb/paralyze/disrupt Neji and his footwork, which is critical for neji to use his gentle fist.

Also on the rookie 7 + Team Gai vs. Naruto thing...
KYF - you simply put a perfect case scenario where Naruto does practically nothing for the rookies to win which is not going to happen. Naruto will most definitely use KB and do something, not simply go 1 vs. 10. When using KB, Shika's kage mane will only be effective if it captures the right naruto.
Also Chouji even w/ multi-size is not a match for bunta, who is equipped w/ sword (armed Bunta > no weapon chouji). With multi-size Chouji has been shown capable of smashing things smaller than him, and Bunta is not smaller.

In actuality Shrike presented a viable possibility for the rookies winning, albeit the duration for which Ino could mind control/transfer w/ bunta is suspect (if possible at all)

Let's put it this battle to rest though, cuz basically it's been repeating the same basic premise for a while:
Myth: Bunta goes aerial 'suiton bullet' & Naruto goes aerial 'FRS'. Game over Naruto wins
KYF: Rookie 10 work out an elaborate plan and execute it while Naruto doesn't create a counter strategy and just fights them head on (which as shown by his more recent battles, is not how he fights as much). Game over the 10 win

Vengeance
02-26-2009, 05:42 PM
Edit: sasuke vs Neji "no MS".
No contest by the end of part 1 Sasuke was already superior to Neji. Factor in 2 1/2 years of training with Orochimaru vs training with Gai & the answer shouldn't be any clearer. Neji wouldn't stand a chance against a Kage level Shinobi like Sasuke. Neji is slower then Kyuubi juice Naruto while Sasuke was able to predict & counter his moves back in part 1. Mind you Naruto during VOTE was allot more experenced then when he fought Neji. Neji's speed looks the same while Sasuke's has morphed into something almost demonic. Sasuke by the end of part 1 had speeds that would rival no weights Lee while Neji is slower then a no weights Lee. Sasuke's ninjutsu skill would make this fight a cake walk. If Neji tries to get in close he'll feel the wraith of Nagashi. MS isn't needed here nor is snake summoning. We can take a basic post time skip Sasuke with only 3 tomoe, no Oro soul, no CS2 & he'd still school that loser. Neji's highlight post time skip was getting trapped in a water prison.

PS: Neji can't take a punch as seen against Naruto 1 punch was enough to knock Neji out. It was also the only clean hit landed the whole fight.

PPS: Neji doesn't stand a chance regardless of short or long range combat. Sasuke is able to see chakra as color which means he'll be able to see Neji's Juuken attacks. Yes Neji has Byakugan but all that does is give Neji 360 radial vision. Sasuke's Sharingan can predict muscle movement before it happens allowing for easy countering in a close range fight. Also I know I already said this but Sasuke is FASTER then Neji is. People need to remember that Sharingan is superior to Byakugan.

Dagoro
02-26-2009, 06:07 PM
Thats funny.

When i posted Base Naruto vs Neji people were glorifying Neji as a monster ninja that would beat Naruto easily with Junken even if he was in Sm. Insert Sasuke in Naruto's place and all of the sudden Neji sucks balls.


any way new fight:

Kakashi vs Neji
restrictions: No ms for Kakashi. Manga skills only so no Katon. Neji can do anything he wants.
Location: Aka hideout. Mid-close range combat
Both are bloodlusted

Hurricane Chronicles
02-26-2009, 06:19 PM
Kakashi lol he would see Neji comming a mile away with his little gentle fist

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-26-2009, 08:14 PM
[QUOTE]Sasuke would win, while Neji has superior taijutsu, he lacks the speed that Sasuke has...
Also Sasuke could use chidori nagashi to numb/paralyze/disrupt Neji and his footwork, which is critical for neji to use his gentle fist.

Also on the rookie 7 + Team Gai vs. Naruto thing...
KYF - you simply put a perfect case scenario where Naruto does practically nothing for the rookies to win which is not going to happen. Naruto will most definitely use KB and do something, not simply go 1 vs. 10. When using KB, Shika's kage mane will only be effective if it captures the right naruto.
Also Chouji even w/ multi-size is not a match for bunta, who is equipped w/ sword (armed Bunta > no weapon chouji). With multi-size Chouji has been shown capable of smashing things smaller than him, and Bunta is not smaller.
Maybe thats what you like to believe, but read my two posts again. I used KBs, rasengans and RS. I didnt have naruto sit still and do nothing, lol. Like I said, read my two posts again. Naruto used everything in his repertoire.

In actuality Shrike presented a viable possibility for the rookies winning, albeit the duration for which Ino could mind control/transfer w/ bunta is suspect (if possible at all)

Let's put it this battle to rest though, cuz basically it's been repeating the same basic premise for a while:
Myth: Bunta goes aerial 'suiton bullet' & Naruto goes aerial 'FRS'. Game over Naruto wins
KYF: Rookie 10 work out an elaborate plan and execute it while Naruto doesn't create a counter strategy and just fights them head on (which as shown by his more recent battles, is not how he fights as much). Game over the 10 win

LOL! Elaborate plan? You forget that all squads run drills and train attack and defense formations. I dont know how you consider SP by Shika followed by neji and hinta usings their palm jutsu at the same time followed by A lotus from lee a elaborate plan. For instance, once narutos caught, neji and hinata have a couple of seconds to respond before naruto stars to breaks free from SHikas SP jutsu.

And how is naruto going to come up with a plan when hes ambushed by shika, neji, hinata and lee? If you read my post then you know they attacked the moment he landed which is a very vulnerable moment in combat. Sighs, read that post again as well please before you critisise my post.

Vengeance
02-27-2009, 05:32 PM
Thats funny.

When i posted Base Naruto vs Neji people were glorifying Neji as a monster ninja that would beat Naruto easily with Junken even if he was in Sm. Insert Sasuke in Naruto's place and all of the sudden Neji sucks balls.


any way new fight:

Kakashi vs Neji
restrictions: No ms for Kakashi. Manga skills only so no Katon. Neji can do anything he wants.
Location: Aka hideout. Mid-close range combat
Both are bloodlusted
Who did that because I know for damn sure it wasn't me. Naruto already beat Neji pre time skip so there is your answer for a potential post fight. It's laughable to even question Naruto's victory over Neji I mean it's clear as day that Naruto improved more then Neji over the time skip. When you factor in that Naruto was already better then Neji pre time skip it's clear that only a Nejitard would say he'd have a chance at winning. Neji's big moment post was getting trapped in a water prison people really need to stop fanning this character.

Kakashi vs. Neji another laughable fight Kakashi would destroy Neji with ease.

MikeyM1979
02-27-2009, 05:39 PM
Who did that because I know for damn sure it wasn't me. Naruto already beat Neji pre time skip so there is your answer for a potential post fight. It's laughable to even question Naruto's victory over Neji I mean it's clear as day that Naruto improved more then Neji over the time skip. When you factor in that Naruto was already better then Neji pre time skip it's clear that only a Nejitard would say he'd have a chance at winning. Neji's big moment post was getting trapped in a water prison people really need to stop fanning this character.

Kakashi vs. Neji another laughable fight Kakashi would destroy Neji with ease.As a Neji fanboy, this post makes me want to vomit.

Even if it is true. :p

There was no PnJ during that fight, as many people claim, or have claimed here, and at other forums. In the end, Neji underestimated Naruto, turned his Byakugan off, and got knocked the fuck out.

Neji vs Kakashi....Kakashi would be pretty idiotic to attempt close range combat against someone like Neji. He's smart, so he'll most like fight at mid/long range. I just worry about his stamina. A rai-bunshin would work nicely in nullifying Neji's taijutsu, but it takes quite a bit of his own stamina, and we'd have to assume Neji couldn't even see the real Kakashi hiding, with his Byakugan. I think Kakashi would win if he keeps his distance. He's definitely versatile, fast, smart, and skilled enough to do so. If he stupidly decides to fight up close, then he loses.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-02-2009, 06:17 AM
Who did that because I know for damn sure it wasn't me. Naruto already beat Neji pre time skip so there is your answer for a potential post fight. It's laughable to even question Naruto's victory over Neji I mean it's clear as day that Naruto improved more then Neji over the time skip. When you factor in that Naruto was already better then Neji pre time skip it's clear that only a Nejitard would say he'd have a chance at winning. Neji's big moment post was getting trapped in a water prison people really need to stop fanning this character.

Kakashi vs. Neji another laughable fight Kakashi would destroy Neji with ease.

whoa, seriously? I think your seriously underestimating Neji. Hes gained a level of chakra control Beyond anyother character in the manga so far. The guy can shoot his chakra over a good distance at will for crying out loud. The only other person who can throw chakra is naruto exept he has to be in SM and use an assload of chakra to create the RS that gets thrown. Also, neji was the only of the original that became a jounin, not to mention Neji became a Chunin then jounin in just the 2 1/2 years naruto was gone, meaning Neji wouldve had to of Improved alot in that time to make Tsunade believe hes not only at chunin, but jounin level as well.

Last but not least, Despite being caught in the water prison jutsu. Neji was actually able to break out of it. Something that even Kakashi couldnt do remember. Well, this is all I have on Neji since hes got almost no action since the time skip, but as you can see. What little theres on Neji is impressive and shows hes got awesome potential if Kishi decides to use him.

Naruto After T/S=Oodama rasengan, Basic skills increased "including some genjutsu defense". Stamina damn well increased.

Neji after T/S=Eight triagram Chakra blast "jutsu name?", Basic skills increased "like chakra control ect" Speed damn well increased lol. And we have yet to see Neji fight an enemy so ?


EDIT: as for Neji vs Kakashi.

Vengeance
03-02-2009, 04:59 PM
whoa, seriously? I think your seriously underestimating Neji. Hes gained a level of chakra control Beyond anyother character in the manga so far. The guy can shoot his chakra over a good distance at will for crying out loud. The only other person who can throw chakra is naruto exept he has to be in SM and use an assload of chakra to create the RS that gets thrown. Also, neji was the only of the original that became a jounin, not to mention Neji became a Chunin then jounin in just the 2 1/2 years naruto was gone, meaning Neji wouldve had to of Improved alot in that time to make Tsunade believe hes not only at chunin, but jounin level as well.
Actually I think you're overestimating Neji's abilities as a shinobi. Other ninja can create jutsu that shoot out chakra so to speak as well. Neji just happens to use raw chakra while others create elemental chakra in order to perform these jutsu. Or have you forgotten about such jutsu as Gouryuuka no Jutsu & Dai Kamaitachi which are mid-long range? All Neji has done is expand a little on his basic power set. Neji's speed, strength, & intelligence have not shown noticeable improvement unlike Naruto. Neji was moving at the same speed as Tenten during his only showing post-time skip. It matters not if Neji is a jounin. Naruto was not in Konoha & there for could not take part in exams to qualify him for a higher ranking. Besides we all know Naruto has been a Kage level shinobi for quite some time while Neji obviously isn't.

Last but not least, Despite being caught in the water prison jutsu. Neji was actually able to break out of it. Something that even Kakashi couldnt do remember. Well, this is all I have on Neji since hes got almost no action since the time skip, but as you can see. What little theres on Neji is impressive and shows hes got awesome potential if Kishi decides to use him.
He was still dumb enough to get caught in it while it took Neji quite a bit of time to actually brake free. Besides that really doesn't factor into this fight sense Neji has always been known for braking out of traps while Naruto doesn't use such jutsu in order for this to even be relivent. Neji did nothing his speeds were mediocre at best while all he could do was sit there & watch Gai lay the smack down.

Naruto After T/S=Oodama rasengan, Basic skills increased "including some genjutsu defense". Stamina damn well increased.

Neji after T/S=Eight triagram Chakra blast "jutsu name?", Basic skills increased "like chakra control ect" Speed damn well increased lol. And we have yet to see Neji fight an enemy so ?


EDIT: as for Neji vs Kakashi.
You forget that Naruto from the begining of post was able to beat the crap out of Deidara once he got in range while all of team Gai couldn't even touch Diedara armed with only a kunai in his mouth. How can you say Neji's speed actually increased when he seemed no faster then Tenten post time-skip? Your theory on Neji is not founded on facts & seems like it's based on the ranting’s of a rabid fan. Where Neji has yet to actually perform to the ability of a jounin sense the time-skip Naruto has actually performed at the level of a jounin.

Myth
03-02-2009, 05:04 PM
Vegenace don't bother explaing anything trust me there could be 20 of u along with the entire forum and he'll still go on with his rant watch in 3 posts if u still continue with him i promise u he will start repeating crap and making no sense. he'll also give claims that have no support from anywhere...

Kreglze
03-02-2009, 05:43 PM
Since the recent occurences in the Manga I think this match up is neccessary...

Hinata V Sakura...

Who do you think would win the duel for Naruto's love...

Master2005
03-02-2009, 05:45 PM
Hinata for sure, Sakura just has strength.

Shortest way: Closing Sakura's chakra points -> ByeBye Foreheadgirl.

Dagoro
03-02-2009, 05:47 PM
@Veng.
Lol

KYF was the one responsible for many histerical comments such as:

" Kiba and Shino come up with a plan to take out SM Naruto and Bunta in one shot"
" Neji deflects FRS with Kaiten"
" We don't know if SM Naruto is faster than Neji"

So don't be too hard on the guy.

@ Sakura Vs Hinata.

Has been done before. Sakura feats > Hinata's feats. Plain and simple Sakura wins.

superninja
03-02-2009, 06:28 PM
@Veng.
Lol

KYF was the one responsible for such histerical comments such as:

" Kiba and Shino come up with a plan to take out SM Naruto and Bunta in one shot"
" Neji deflects FRS with Kaiten"
" We don't know if SM Naruto is faster than Neji"

So don't be too hard on the guy.

Even though i don't agree with some things YF said, I agree that we don't know how fast sage mode Naruto really is.
Until I see it animated I can only guess, right?
Even if YF said something silly I can't blame him since he is surrounded by such huge Naruto fan boys like Myth and Dagoro, that are unwilling to give credit to any character other than Naruto, it can make any man go silly.

I have no problem with Naruto finally getting the center of the show, but I don't like the way it is being done.

Neji is a prodigy and should be given a chance to show what he knows as well. Neji is to me a more interesting fighter because of his elaborated style of fighting, also the point is, don't underestimate other characters so badly. Especially someone like Neji who will have a huge fight in the future, hopefully.

Dagoro
03-02-2009, 06:38 PM
Even though i don't agree with some things YF said, I agree that we don't know how fast sage mode Naruto really is.
Until I see it animated I can only guess, right?
Even if YF said something silly I can't blame him since he is surrounded by such huge Naruto fan boys like Myth and Dagoro, that are unwilling to give credit to any character other than Naruto, it can make any man go silly.

I have no problem with Naruto finally getting the center of the show, but I don't like the way it is being done.

Neji is a prodigy and should be given a chance to show what he knows as well. Neji is to me a more interesting fighter because of his elaborated style of fighting, also the point is, don't underestimate other characters so badly. Especially someone like Neji who will have a huge fight in the future, hopefully.

There is a clear difference between Fanboying and making a case based on overwhelming manga evidence.

If you think Neji is such a powerful ninja plz, link some pannels to back up your argument.

Naruto's manga feats are far greater than anything Neji has ever done. KYF is making assumptions based on nothing. Neji is a jounin, so ?? that doesn't translate to incredible power. Asuma & kurenai are also jounin yet Kakashi, also a jounin far outclassed both of them.

What was Neji's greatest moment in P2 ?? getting caught in a water prison by a 30% kisame clone.

You coming over here and calling Myth and I fanboys with out so much as an argument in Neji's favor, backed by evidence prepared only proves what a rabid fan of Neji you are.

If you don't like what is being said about Neji by not only Myth and i but others too than make a case for him against Naruto with facts to back you up.

Myth
03-02-2009, 07:14 PM
There is a clear difference between Fanboying and making a case based on overwhelming manga eveidence.

If you think Neji is such a powerful ninja plz, link some pannels to back up your argument.

Naruto's manga feats are far greater than anything Neji has ever done. KYF is making assumptions based on nothing. Neji is a jounin, so ?? that doesn't translate to incredible power. Asuma & kurenai are also jounin yet Kakashi, also a jounin far outclassed both of them.

What was Neji's greatest moment in P2 ?? getting caught in a water prison by a 30% kisame clone.

You coming over here and calling Myth and I fanboys with out so much as an argument in Neji's favor, backed by evidence prepared only proves what a rabid fan of Neji you are.

If you don't like what is being said about Neji by not only Myth and i but others too than make a case for him against Naruto with facts to back you up.


he's a dupe account of KYF nuff said... just like 9tailed demon and LLS were the same ppl...:rolleyes:

Dagoro
03-02-2009, 07:15 PM
he's a dupe account of KYF nuff said... just like 9tailed demon and LLS were the same ppl...:rolleyes:

Lol if that is true than wow.

superninja
03-02-2009, 07:16 PM
In part two Neji hasn't showed a lot because he has not yet participated in a long fight, but in part one he was called the most talented of the Hyuuga clan.
In part one Neji had the moves like the spinning whirlwind and that 64 hits, but like I said he didn't get to fight all out in part two. It is not a big assumption when I say that Neji has improved from when he was a genin, and I think he has improved a lot. So going by that logic Neji would be one of the strongest ninjas in Konoha.
But we will have to wait until he gets to fight seriously. Kisame fight is not a true measure of his ability, sure he got imprisoned but it happens to the best. After that Gai finished the fight quickly so Neji did not get to fight.

No, I am not a dupe account of YF lol. But we share the same view on this manga it seems. In any case lol.

Dagoro
03-02-2009, 07:20 PM
You see, there is a huge problem with that way of thinking. Its all based on assumptions. If thats the criteria for all we know tenten can beat Madara. She hasn't had a great fight in P2 but since she probably improved in 2.5 years she could very well be one of the strongest ninja in konoha, even tough manga evidence points heavily in the other direction. She threw weapons in P1 she throws weapons now in P2.

Myth
03-02-2009, 07:23 PM
In part two Neji hasn't showed a lot because he has not yet participated in a long fight, but in part one he was called the most talented of the Hyuuga clan.
In part one Neji had the moves like the spinning whirlwind and that 64 hits, but like I said he didn't get to fight all out in part two. It is not a big assumption when I say that Neji has improved from when he was a genin, and I think he has improved a lot. So going by that logic Neji would be one of the strongest ninjas in Konoha.
But we will have to wait until he gets to fight seriously. Kisame fight is not a true measure of his ability, sure he got imprisoned but it happens to the best. After that Gai finished the fight quickly so Neji did not get to fight.

No, I am not a dupe account of YF lol. But we share the same view on this manga it seems. In any case lol.


who said i was addressing u about being a dupe:rolleyes:

Vengeance
03-03-2009, 09:42 AM
In part two Neji hasn't showed a lot because he has not yet participated in a long fight, but in part one he was called the most talented of the Hyuuga clan.
Actually you're wrong Neji did take part in 3 fights post time skip. One was against a clone of himself which says nothing. One was against Diedara when he had no arms while holding a kunai in his mouth. Neji was unable to do anything to Deidara while backed up with all of Team Gai. The second fight which was actually a fight was against Kisame. The only thing Neji did here was do attack formations at the same speed as Tenten & Lee only to get caught in a water prison. Then Neji sits there thinking on how much he just f***ed up while watching Gai fight Kisame. Neji finally remembers that he's a Hyuuga that can brake any binding jutsu & finally decides to use his abilities to brake free. After this Neji smashes a couple of 10% water clones of a 30% Kisame. Given two chances against Akatsuki level opponents that had handicaps Neji has yet to perform to the ability of a godly ninja.

Yes Neji was a talented Hyuuga. However Hyuuga are a cheap knockoff of the Uchiha. Hyuuga are never stated as the most talented ninja in Konoha. Hyuuga can't even use elemental chakra limiting their fighting style to mostly close range.

In part one Neji had the moves like the spinning whirlwind and that 64 hits, but like I said he didn't get to fight all out in part two. It is not a big assumption when I say that Neji has improved from when he was a genin, and I think he has improved a lot. So going by that logic Neji would be one of the strongest ninjas in Konoha.
Naruto was able to brake Neji's spin with a simple Kyuubi juice punch. This means that Neji's spin isn't actually that good of a defense & can be broken if hit with enough force. Something like Rasengan should be able to do the job. Also Naruto was able to dodge Neji's attacks even before he tapped into his juice. However once Naruto did tap the Kyuubi juice Neji couldn't even touch him. When Neji was a genin he fought at the level of a high ranking chunin. Neji isn't a jounin because he improved his skills 10 fold but rather Neji already had a natural ability to fight that just needed some fine tuning. One of the strongest in Konoha you say? Tell that to Gai, Kakashi, Tsunade, Naruto, Shino, Yamato, Sai, Hiashi, & Lee...

But we will have to wait until he gets to fight seriously. Kisame fight is not a true measure of his ability, sure he got imprisoned but it happens to the best. After that Gai finished the fight quickly so Neji did not get to fight.
Neji has already had two chances & failed both times. Actually it is a fair example of Neji's abilities. What you're asking for is a fight that Neji actually has a chance in. But what good would that be when the only opponents Neji can beat would be high ranking chunin or low level jounin? Neji simply put has not shown the ability to fight against Akatsuki level threats. This is an obvious observation if you take a look at his actual performance post time skip.

superninja
03-03-2009, 10:51 AM
Actually you're wrong Neji did take part in 3 fights post time skip. One was against a clone of himself which says nothing. One was against Diedara when he had no arms while holding a kunai in his mouth. Neji was unable to do anything to Deidara while backed up with all of Team Gai. The second fight which was actually a fight was against Kisame. The only thing Neji did here was do attack formations at the same speed as Tenten & Lee only to get caught in a water prison. Then Neji sits there thinking on how much he just f***ed up while watching Gai fight Kisame. Neji finally remembers that he's a Hyuuga that can brake any binding jutsu & finally decides to use his abilities to brake free. After this Neji smashes a couple of 10% water clones of a 30% Kisame. Given two chances against Akatsuki level opponents that had handicaps Neji has yet to perform to the ability of a godly ninja.

Yes Neji was a talented Hyuuga. However Hyuuga are a cheap knockoff of the Uchiha. Hyuuga are never stated as the most talented ninja in Konoha. Hyuuga can't even use elemental chakra limiting their fighting style to mostly close range.


Naruto was able to brake Neji's spin with a simple Kyuubi juice punch. This means that Neji's spin isn't actually that good of a defense & can be broken if hit with enough force. Something like Rasengan should be able to do the job. Also Naruto was able to dodge Neji's attacks even before he tapped into his juice. However once Naruto did tap the Kyuubi juice Neji couldn't even touch him. When Neji was a genin he fought at the level of a high ranking chunin. Neji isn't a jounin because he improved his skills 10 fold but rather Neji already had a natural ability to fight that just needed some fine tuning. One of the strongest in Konoha you say? Tell that to Gai, Kakashi, Tsunade, Naruto, Shino, Yamato, Sai, Hiashi, & Lee...


Neji has already had two chances & failed both times. Actually it is a fair example of Neji's abilities. What you're asking for is a fight that Neji actually has a chance in. But what good would that be when the only opponents Neji can beat would be high ranking chunin or low level jounin? Neji simply put has not shown the ability to fight against Akatsuki level threats. This is an obvious observation if you take a look at his actual performance post time skip.

Those facts are on your side, Neji has showed little but Rock Lee in that case is also weak. He was with Neji when they fought Kisame and were hunting Deidara.
The thing is, Sasuke, Naruto and Gara became the strongest from their generation but in part one Neji and Lee were up there. So Neji and Lee improved less than Naruto and Sasuke, but they are still strong. Neji and Lee are so strong that even if they were only allowed to use techniques they knew when they were genin, they would present a challenge to any opponent except Madara.
Also, Neji was an ambitious guy, always training in the forest and counting birds.
I am not saying Neji can beat an akatsuki alone, but I think he could beat a highly skilled jounin level opponent or teamed up with someone equally strong as himself Neji could beat an akatsuki.

Vengeance
03-03-2009, 04:56 PM
those facts are on your side, neji has showed little but rock lee in that case is also weak. He was with neji when they fought kisame and were hunting deidara.
The thing is, sasuke, naruto and gara became the strongest from their generation but in part one neji and lee were up there. So neji and lee improved less than naruto and sasuke, but they are still strong. Neji and lee are so strong that even if they were only allowed to use techniques they knew when they were genin, they would present a challenge to any opponent except madara.
Also, neji was an ambitious guy, always training in the forest and counting birds.
I am not saying neji can beat an akatsuki alone, but i think he could beat a highly skilled jounin level opponent or teamed up with someone equally strong as himself neji could beat an akatsuki.
Note the section marked in red. You said it yourself Sasuke, Naruto, & Gara became the strongest from their generation. My point is proven as you just admitted so I rest my case.

superninja
03-03-2009, 07:13 PM
Note the section marked in red. You said it yourself Sasuke, Naruto, & Gara became the strongest from their generation. My point is proven as you just admitted so I rest my case.

Yes, I said they are the strongest but I didn't say by how far. Manga facts are on your side atm but as soon as Lee and Neji get some spotlight we will see how far they are behind. I think Neji and Lee alone would present a challenge to anyone, saying they are nothing compared to SM Naruto is just as unfounded as saying they would beat him.

Myth
03-03-2009, 07:29 PM
Yes, I said they are the strongest but I didn't say by how far. Manga facts are on your side atm but as soon as Lee and Neji get some spotlight we will see how far they are behind. I think Neji and Lee alone would present a challenge to anyone, saying they are nothing compared to SM Naruto is just as unfounded as saying they would beat him.

they are nothing to him at all sm naruto was strong enough to push pain the way he has never been pushed nuff said.. he as at jiraiyas level now or even stronger neji and lee combined times 10 wouldn't even scratch the surface of naruto's current level. It's as shikaku said "Compared to the rest naruto is on a whole other level now"..

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-03-2009, 09:07 PM
[QUOTE]Actually I think you're overestimating Neji's abilities as a shinobi. Other ninja can create jutsu that shoot out chakra so to speak as well. Neji just happens to use raw chakra while others create elemental chakra in order to perform these jutsu. Or have you forgotten about such jutsu as Gouryuuka no Jutsu & Dai Kamaitachi which are mid-long range? All Neji has done is expand a little on his basic power set. Neji's speed, strength, & intelligence have not shown noticeable improvement unlike Naruto. Neji was moving at the same speed as Tenten during his only showing post-time skip. It matters not if Neji is a jounin. Naruto was not in Konoha & there for could not take part in exams to qualify him for a higher ranking. Besides we all know Naruto has been a Kage level shinobi for quite some time while Neji obviously isn't.
Your comparing Elemental jutsu to pure chakra. I mean if chakra was so easy to shoot then why is Neji the only one doing it? The point I was trying to make was that Neji had improved his chakra control so much, he was able to shoot it like a Ki blast. And seeing as how Neji is the only one to ever use such a jutsu, how can you say its nothing special?

This ones funny, 'neji was moving at the sma speed ten ten was". LOL! Dude, Neji busted out of kisames water prison and hit two clones with multiple strikes "10 each, I counted" in a second flat, lol. Not to mention each one was on a different side of Neji, but it didnt effect nejis speed at all. Sighs, hopefully you will remember this from the manga and the anime and I wont have to get a link.

Ok, how was naruto in any way Kage level before SM?

He was still dumb enough to get caught in it while it took Neji quite a bit of time to actually brake free. Besides that really doesn't factor into this fight sense Neji has always been known for braking out of traps while Naruto doesn't use such jutsu in order for this to even be relivent. Neji did nothing his speeds were mediocre at best while all he could do was sit there & watch Gai lay the smack down.
How is it not relavent? Neji got out of something Kakashi couldnt with just basic chakra so I think he should get some props. Ok, we already went over the speed issue.

You forget that Naruto from the begining of post was able to beat the crap out of Deidara once he got in range while all of team Gai couldn't even touch Diedara armed with only a kunai in his mouth. How can you say Neji's speed actually increased when he seemed no faster then Tenten post time-skip? Your theory on Neji is not founded on facts & seems like it's based on the ranting’s of a rabid fan. Where Neji has yet to actually perform to the ability of a jounin sense the time-skip Naruto has actually performed at the level of a jounin.
First off, naruto didnt do crap to diedara. deidara used a clay replacement and made naruto look a fool like everyone else. Again, we went over the speed issue. STill, how could you not remember nejis speed in the fight with the kiame clones?

Its easy to boast about naruto because he gets plenty of time to show what he can do. However, since Nejis barely done crap since the time skip, hes automaticly weak even though the little evidence their is proves hes not.

Vegenace don't bother explaing anything trust me there could be 20 of u along with the entire forum and he'll still go on with his rant watch in 3 posts if u still continue with him i promise u he will start repeating crap and making no sense. he'll also give claims that have no support from anywhere...
LOL, you dont even matter!
@Veng.
Lol

KYF was the one responsible for many histerical comments such as:

" Kiba and Shino come up with a plan to take out SM Naruto and Bunta in one shot"
" Neji deflects FRS with Kaiten"
" We don't know if SM Naruto is faster than Neji"

So don't be too hard on the guy.

@ Sakura Vs Hinata.

Has been done before. Sakura feats > Hinata's feats. Plain and simple Sakura wins.

Lol, for one, I said shika and shino, not kiba. That and the fight was with all the original vs naruto.

two, I never said nejis kaiten could reflect the RS, lol. i said it would take the brunt of its attack.

Three, we dont know! after seeing narutos fight with pain in SM, its clear hes not super fast. that and we have yet to even see Neji go all out in a fight. So, we know what SM naruto can do, but we dont know what Neji can do yet.

LMAO, if your going to make fun of something I said, at least know what I said!

As for Hinata vs sakura. I still dont think theres enough evidence on either to know who would win in a fight.

Dagoro
03-03-2009, 09:16 PM
Meh, it doesn't matter. Even if i misquote what you wrote the comment is still ridiculous and based on nothing.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-03-2009, 09:33 PM
Meh, it doesn't matter. Even if i misquote what you wrote the comment is still ridiculous and based on nothing.

So, its a fact that Shika and shino with their high intelligence couldnt come up with a plan to take out naruto, bunta?

So, its a fact Nejis kaiten wouldnt take the brunt of the RS?

So, its a fact that naruto is faster than Neji despite not even knowing how neji performs in one on one combat?

Myth
03-03-2009, 10:39 PM
So, its a fact that Shika and shino with their high intelligence couldnt come up with a plan to take out naruto, bunta?Yes its fact they posses no such ability or skill or power to pull off a plan like that.. as i said leap and fire fight over..

So, its a fact Nejis kaiten wouldnt take the brunt of the RS?yes its fact.. have u seen what crater the rs created and thats not even a flying one...

So, its a fact that naruto is faster than Neji despite not even knowing how neji performs in one on one combat?neji is fast when ur in his range.. thats why the data book put him at 4 i believe, if ur out of his range he is as useless as konhamaru.. his only long range attack is a palm blast which can be dodged by a blind man i believe all 'd do is jump or side step his shit...

both sasuke and naruto would tap dance all over neji's ass at any given time

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-03-2009, 10:58 PM
[QUOTE]Yes its fact they posses no such ability or skill or power to pull off a plan like that.. as i said leap and fire fight over..Wait, your actually saying Shika and shino dont have the intelligence Needed, lol?


yes its fact.. have u seen what crater the rs created and thats not even a flying one...Your wrong! Nejis Rotation takes force and redirects it meaning it can at least take the brunt of the RS's attack. "fact"! The Rotation Neji used as a genin was strong enough to redirect Narutos kyuubi powered head on attack.

neji is fast when ur in his range.. thats why the data book put him at 4 i believe, if ur out of his range he is as useless as konhamaru.. his only long range attack is a palm blast which can be dodged by a blind man i believe all 'd do is jump or side step his shit...
Its true that Nejis able to move fast within his range, but we have yet to see if Nejis been able to increase the range of his triagram, which why i said we dont know for a fact what he can do until he actually fights someone.

Also, if Nejis palm blast was so easy to dodge then why did kisame get hit by it? If the attack was as weak as you describe it then someone with the skills and speed to compete with Gai, shouldnt have been hit with it.
both sasuke and naruto would tap dance all over neji's ass at any given time To tap dance on neji they would have to get way too close which would give Neji the chance to do all the tap dancing, lol

Myth
03-03-2009, 11:31 PM
Wait, your actually saying Shika and shino dont have the intelligence Needed, lol?I didn't say that... i said they do not posses skill power and ability to pull of a plan.. jump aim fire... done zzzzZZzzz


Your wrong! Nejis Rotation takes force and redirects it meaning it can at least take the brunt of the RS's attack. "fact"! The Rotation Neji used as a genin was strong enough to redirect Narutos kyuubi powered head on attackNaruto kunai attack ur comaping that to rassenshuriken . us ound even dumber then when u said minato is slower then gated lee...

ts true that Nejis able to move fast within his range, but we have yet to see if Nejis been able to increase the range of his triagram, which why i said we dont know for a fact what he can do until he actually fights someone. FAIL he increased his palms attack to 360 palsm thats not range numb nuts.

Also, if Nejis palm blast was so easy to dodge then why did kisame get hit by it? If the attack was as weak as you describe it then someone with the skills and speed to compete with Gai, shouldnt have been hit with it.
To tap dance on neji they would have to get way too close which would give Neji the chance to do all the tap dancing, lol the second neji tries to fight hand to hand with naruto is the same second naruto embarrasses the entire hyuuga clan..


Im done here ur still pathetic and a sorry ass fan boy...

Myth
03-03-2009, 11:46 PM
Oh before i go u mentioned kisame being hit with it right.. i pulled up the panels for u just so everyone can see how big of an idiot u truly are.

kisame was fight 2 people at once he was distracted and neji took advantage..

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/256/06/



http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/256/07/

and here we see how pathetic that attack really is kisame is completely unshaped by it...

Now its a good day..

sorry for the DP but i truly don't care.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-04-2009, 12:03 AM
LMAO! I have a new match. Namikaze vs Laze vs Myth?

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Going by what the manga shows he has to use tsukuyomi and amaterasu before susanoo and unless someone here has proof it won't change.

Second without the manga is fairly obvious evn if you tell the assumption busllshit please if you you have to se tsukuyomi before materasu what in fuking hell makes some of you think susanoo can be used before a weaker jutsu like tsukuyomi that would be saying amaterasu trumps susanoo as does tsukuyomi.

There is a reason tsukuyomi is the strongest genjutsu in mks amaterasu is the strongest physical technnque and ussanoo must be the ultimate defence offense it's like combing tsukuyomi and amaterasu into one you have a genjutsu and power attack that can be used also as a defense,

Also itachi said " susanoo is something i unlocked to when gaining tsukuyomi and amaterasu.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/392/02/

Why say thid and FINAL technique we all know he has more ninjutsu but he meant third and fnal mks technique if he could have used it before he would have fortunatly plain logci and manga point to it have to use susanoo last.

That's all i have to say for this subject as for the fight unless sasuke can breath in blood i see no way for him to get out of hell swamp. let's face it jiriya's brain exceeds itachi's plain and simple he demonstrated his brain against pein and the forgs aren't dope either they are hell smart to.

As for song genjutsu i see no way even a spirt can block sound it has no ears lmaooo god f genjutsu or not once your trapped it's like you are drowning in water and the stabbing takes quick.

If he figured a way around rinnegan vision with no blindspots and we have sharingan who's back view is a giant blind spot chances of jiraiya not figuring out a way tofnd a stratagey when someone like naruto can and did rofllll please.

Itachi is good but jiraiya is better you don't get chosen as hokage twice in your lifetime for nothing and unlike tsunade they wanted jiraiya because of his power and skill without knowing his hermit mode. Which is another plus forget the jutsu one kick http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/377/07/ is enough to end itachi unless he has spare eyes in the back of his head.
Wait a minute, who else says that?

Sage mode makes all aspects way higher by at least 10 fold if not more manga fact yess you outta stop fanning sasuke so much it's pathetic.

Naruto:
Fukasaku Fusion
Sage Mode
Sage Martial Arts
RasenShuriken
Tajuu Kage Bunshin
Rasengan
Fuuton Rasengan
Oodama Rasengan
Summoning abilities
Decent Taijutsu

according to the manga he already shown 3 attacks his bootleg genjutsu amaterasu and a third ability stop filling threads up with bullshit to make your character seem more powerful when he clearly is not.
he doesn't have susanoo it's something fanboys like you cooked up from madara NOT BEING sure if you take his words as fact then take the words he said to zetsu as fact to which are"itachi left behind AMATERASU" GET IT DO FANbOY.kage bsuhinn and fuksaksu can easily deal with this buddy learn your genjutsu facts when you have a partner nothing help with genjutsu nothing it purely useless.
He has no vast ninjutsus tfu up already do you see your post what ninjutsu have we seen from oro nothing at all accept kirin perhaps everything else is chidori variations stop putting in crappy attempts already.
lost when he lost orochimaru if he had any summons left he would use them in the last fight vs killer bee nexttt.
naruto has now something deadlier then taijutsu frog kumite with the speed btw to back it up.
lmfaooostop maiing gay ass lists lol. his speed is nothing short of nice neji surpasses him speed go read the data books.
i love it how you just add random shit to the sasuke side but leave stuff like gathering info with bushinn and tricy fighting from naruto out pathetci you are the most pathetic member i have seen fan sasuke.
wow do you ever quit tard that was obviously kirin which he cannot use if he intends on using mks due to to much chakra giving away buddy his chakra isn't anything impressive never was actually.
wind>lighting. and his chidori crap is the only lighting based attacks he uses constatly and they aren't something naruto's healing abilites can't deal with or naruto skill level..
so deadly the last time he used them was in part 1 and he coudln't even burn the clothing off naruto ohhhh powerfulll...
naruto has team KONOHA
my shit in your mouth he has yet to master any of his mks techniques your pathetic i don't even know why you post you simply just fan sasuke and kiss his ass.

Yes that seems about right....

Now to recreate you flawed ass list.

Naruto
-------
Rasengan
Odama rasengan
Futon Rasenshruiken
Kage bushinn
Tajju kage bushin(one is b rank one is a rank and forbidden)
Wind element in battle(yamato says this in the manga read it)
Sage mode
Sage taijutsu
Sage techniques
Fukasaku fusion
Summoning
new jutsu he used to split mountains with hints at wind element.


Sasuke
-------
Mks aka Bootleg genjutsu(nowhere was it said he has tsukuyomi),amaterasu, ability to put out amaterasu
Chidori
nagashi
katana
senbon
Katon
Kirin
Genjutsu


this is pretty much everything he has since he lost orochimaru go check out the data books and manga you'll see that i am right.

Who else tried to use that exact same phrase to counter the fact madara said sasuke got ALL the doujutsu?

Oh before i go u mentioned kisame being hit with it right.. i pulled up the panels for u just so everyone can see how big of an idiot u truly are.

kisame was fight 2 people at once he was distracted and neji took advantage..

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/256/06/
Who gives a crap, he got hit by something so easy to aviod, right Namilaze?

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/256/07/

and here we see how pathetic that attack really is kisame is completely unshaped by it...

Now its a good day..

sorry for the DP but i truly don't care.
I wasnt boasting about its power, lol.



"THIS MUST BE A COINSADINCE, LOL"

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-04-2009, 12:18 AM
[QUOTE]I didn't say that... i said they do not posses skill power and ability to pull of a plan.. jump aim fire... done zzzzZZzzzBut your saying they dont have the ability to create a strategy to pull it of when clearly together, they have some to spair lol.


Naruto kunai attack ur comaping that to rassenshuriken . us ound even dumber then when u said minato is slower then gated lee...
1. I immediatly retracted that statement.

2. A half ass, no momentum rotation was enough to cancel out a kyuubi naruto attack, remember.

FAIL he increased his palms attack to 360 palsm thats not range numb nuts. Did you even read my post Namilaze? I clearly said "maybe hes increased his range" meaning we havent seen him fight anyone and give his all so we dont know if he has or hasnt, fact!

the second neji tries to fight hand to hand with naruto is the same second naruto embarrasses the entire hyuuga clan..
LMAO!!! Neji would leave naruto sitting still with a 360 palm attack.

Trust me, naruto isnt a god in SM. If he steps into close range against Neji without a sand shield or a SG then hes trouble, lol.

Im done here ur still pathetic and a sorry ass fan boy...

And your the original fanboy whos been banned at least twice for over fanboying, lol. Translation=dont call people fan boys. it just makes you an even bigger hipacrit.

Vengeance
03-04-2009, 09:31 AM
Your comparing Elemental jutsu to pure chakra. I mean if chakra was so easy to shoot then why is Neji the only one doing it? The point I was trying to make was that Neji had improved his chakra control so much, he was able to shoot it like a Ki blast. And seeing as how Neji is the only one to ever use such a jutsu, how can you say its nothing special?
Because it isn't that special when compared to something like Raseshuriken, Kirin, Amaterasu, or Kamiu. Like you said it's a Ki blast so to speak & a weak one at that. Not having the ability to manipulate elemental chakra limits Neji's abilities as a shinobi.

This ones funny, 'neji was moving at the sma speed ten ten was". LOL! Dude, Neji busted out of kisames water prison and hit two clones with multiple strikes "10 each, I counted" in a second flat, lol. Not to mention each one was on a different side of Neji, but it didnt effect nejis speed at all. Sighs, hopefully you will remember this from the manga and the anime and I wont have to get a link.
LMAO you counted 10 hits? Really now we don't use the anime as an example of a manga character's speed Ron. As you can clearly see Neji did not attack 10 times like you're claiming http://onemanga.com/Naruto/258/12/ & http://onemanga.com/Naruto/258/13/. As for each side dude seriously they were 10% water clones of a 30% Kisame meaning they weren't that strong to begin with. Neji was trapped in their water prison which means Neji didn't actually need to move very far in order to actually tap the clones. Sasuke as a genin took out several of Zabuza's clones so what Neji did really doesn't mean shit.

Ok, how was naruto in any way Kage level before SM?
Because unlike Neji Naruto was taking out Kage level shinobi even before his sage training or have you forgotten about Kakazu? You know that guy who fought the first Hokage & who made Kakashi (another Kage level ninja based on Tsunade & Jiraiya's conversation) almost piss his pants because of how awesome he was?

How is it not relavent? Neji got out of something Kakashi couldnt with just basic chakra so I think he should get some props. Ok, we already went over the speed issue.
It's a simple difference in ability. It doesn't matter because Naruto & Kakashi don't actually use jutsu like that for this litttle trick of Neji's to even be effective.


First off, naruto didnt do crap to diedara. deidara used a clay replacement and made naruto look a fool like everyone else. Again, we went over the speed issue. STill, how could you not remember nejis speed in the fight with the kiame clones?
Naruto got to his intended target (Gaara) http://onemanga.com/Naruto/276/14/. Then Naruto lays the smack down on what he thought was Deidara http://onemanga.com/Naruto/277/03/, http://onemanga.com/Naruto/277/04/. Compare that to what Neji did in this situation now? O that's right Neji did nothing & was also against a Diedara clone. Two people when faced against the same type of opponent. One was able to hit while the other couldn't do shit. You do know what this means right? It means that Naruto is faster then Neji.

Its easy to boast about naruto because he gets plenty of time to show what he can do. However, since Nejis barely done crap since the time skip, hes automaticly weak even though the little evidence their is proves hes not.
Neji had 3 fights post & failed when it really counted. How many chances do you want to give this pathetic ninja when he just can't perform to the abilities of someone like Naruto, Kakashi, or Sasuke? After awhile it gets old watching Neji get his arse kicked. Your speed issue was a very weak argument based on an anime reference which means it VOID.

As for Hinata vs sakura. I still dont think theres enough evidence on either to know who would win in a fight.
If we base this fight on the actual manga Sakura pwnz Hinata. If we base this fight on rabid fan theory in regards to the Hyuuga Hinata pwnz Sakura.

Ironclad
03-04-2009, 10:33 AM
Depends.

Not even Kakashi or the Sennin could take a direct blow from Sakura and shrug it off unharmed. Sakura is resourceful and can probably take the initiative. And she is now a brawler.

On the other hand: Hinata has exactly the best method against Sakura's most prominent strenght, her chakra. Not to mention Gentle Fist (which is generally the equivalent of the real life chinese Wu Dang Ba Gua Quán) is purposefully created for stronger opponents in principle.

What I think is that Hinata has the potential to be one of the greatest taijutsu ninjas, but lacks the natural aptitude of Neji, and most importantly the will to fight. She lacks immersion in battle perhaps, and her instincts are not as keen as Neji or Naruto. Same with Sakura, but her being more aggressive in personality.

Of course, not counting how far Hinata can be pushed. The resolve can be there, hell, she basically fought her way to cardiac arrest (in part thanks to ass-Neji).

Summary:
On the moment Sakura actually lands one on Hinata it is over. Good luck suprising someone who has 360 degree vision in dimensions and having the best method of countering against sheer force... can go either way depending on what the circumstances are. A fight is always decided by actions in the mid of battle.

"And I say to thee, noone can guard him/herself to full extent.
If you take mine word for it, your opponent will not have the chance to fight."
Johannes Lichtenawer, possibly the Lichtetnawer Fechtbuch (Fencing manual) circa 1400-1500

superninja
03-04-2009, 02:52 PM
Hinata vs Sakura, I say Hinata has a chance. When Hinata confronted Pein Pein had to back down and then use his blast, but without the blast I think Hinata could have done some taijutsu damage to him.
Of course we can't tell how skilled she is just by that, but I'll say she could win against Sakura. Sakura is close range so, It all depends who is faster.

Vengeance
03-04-2009, 02:59 PM
Hinata vs Sakura, I say Hinata has a chance. When Hinata confronted Pein Pein had to back down and then use his blast, but without the blast I think Hinata could have done some taijutsu damage to him.
Of course we can't tell how skilled she is just by that, but I'll say she could win against Sakura. Sakura is close range so, It all depends who is faster.
Huuu??? If Pain didn't have the powers he had Hinata "mite" have done some damage to him? What kind of retarded reasoning is this to assume that Hinata stands a chance against Sakura? Sakura has been trained by a Sannin in the art of medical ninjutsu, dodging, & chakra enhanced attacks. While Hinata is a reject Hyuuga who’s little sister is better then her. Hinata got bitched around in both of her manga fights & has yet to show an ounce of actual skill. But that's ok because Hinata has Byakugan she automatically wins? I hate rabid fan logic. All Sakura needs to do is punch the ground once to immobilize Hinata long enough to rush in for a one hit KO.

popion
03-04-2009, 03:00 PM
judgeing by the skills they showed us (well hinata has the "pain-killer no jutsu" but we dont know what it does), sakura wins this
the deal is (as i already stated earlier) that sakura needs just 1 hit to take hinata out, and hinata needs more that just one to render sakura's style useless.
even if hinata succeds in dodgeing 1-2 hits from sakura and sucesfuly lands some gentle touches, she will eventualy get hit => OH KO
to beat sakura, she needs some suplemenary jutsus (to imobilise, slow, dodge, what sakura trows at her)

Myth
03-04-2009, 05:24 PM
But your saying they dont have the ability to create a strategy to pull it of when clearly together, they have some to spair lol.



1. I immediatly retracted that statement.

2. A half ass, no momentum rotation was enough to cancel out a kyuubi naruto attack, remember.

Did you even read my post Namilaze? I clearly said "maybe hes increased his range" meaning we havent seen him fight anyone and give his all so we dont know if he has or hasnt, fact!


LMAO!!! Neji would leave naruto sitting still with a 360 palm attack.

Trust me, naruto isnt a god in SM. If he steps into close range against Neji without a sand shield or a SG then hes trouble, lol.



And your the original fanboy whos been banned at least twice for over fanboying, lol. Translation=dont call people fan boys. it just makes you an even bigger hipacrit.



ur still a moron ppl embarrassed u and u still haven't made one valid point except assumptions and anime fillers.. as i said i am done with the subject lol .. why don't u go make some more retarded statements like "gated lee is faster then minato" oh wait u said that didn't u...



I never said i wasn't a fan of naruto i admit i am always have always will unlike ur dumbass who says random shit always with never any proof. the fact that nobody EVER EVER EVER EVER X10 agrees with u proves my point.
what a life u must have searching for other members posts...

24 years old rofll i DOUBT IT.

Vengeance
03-04-2009, 05:51 PM
2. A half ass, no momentum rotation was enough to cancel out a kyuubi naruto attack, remember.
Sorry but I saw this quoted & thought I'd correct you. A Kyuubi juice with no tails Naruto punch was enough to stop Neji's rotation. Meaning with enough force Neji's rotation can be broken. Something like Rasengan & its variants would be more then enough to pop Neji's bubble based on this information. Naruto can use these jutsu with clones. Meaning Neji's ultimate defense would back fire on Neji & leave him immobilized if he tried using it against Naruto.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-04-2009, 07:11 PM
[QUOTE]Because it isn't that special when compared to something like Raseshuriken, Kirin, Amaterasu, or Kamiu. Like you said it's a Ki blast so to speak & a weak one at that. Not having the ability to manipulate elemental chakra limits Neji's abilities as a shinobi.Power wise yes, but not how much skill it takes to perform such a feat. A level of chakra control beyond anything weve seen yet. thats impressive!

LMAO you counted 10 hits? Really now we don't use the anime as an example of a manga character's speed Ron. As you can clearly see Neji did not attack 10 times like you're claiming http://onemanga.com/Naruto/258/12/ & http://onemanga.com/Naruto/258/13/. As for each side dude seriously they were 10% water clones of a 30% Kisame meaning they weren't that strong to begin with. Neji was trapped in their water prison which means Neji didn't actually need to move very far in order to actually tap the clones. Sasuke as a genin took out several of Zabuza's clones so what Neji did really doesn't mean shit.I watched the anime and counted because its impossible to know off of manga. Also, dont say the anime doesnt count when its the animated version of the manga.

LOL! 10 percent clones? Now that is pure BS because the clones would have the same strength, speed ect as the original exept for indurence which allows them to be killed with one hit or dispell after using all thier chakra. LMAO, 10 percent. Thats like saying narutos SM KBs were 40 percent SM clones, lol. That statement is beyond an assumtion.

Your right, breaking out of something not even kakashi could get out of is is easy, anyone could do it.


Because unlike Neji Naruto was taking out Kage level shinobi even before his sage training or have you forgotten about Kakazu? You know that guy who fought the first Hokage & who made Kakashi (another Kage level ninja based on Tsunade & Jiraiya's conversation) almost piss his pants because of how awesome he was?
I dont want to offend you, but your starting to sound like myth. ANyways, using narutos performance against kakuzu as his true strenght before SM is also BS. Naruto showed up after kakashi and shika had already took out two hearts, plus wore him down some. Then, naruto comes out of nowhere, creates his ultimate jutsu and still almost gets killed, lol. Thanks to kakashi and yamato! So, after narutos gathered all info on kakauzus abilities, seen him move twice, and has a team to back him up. NAruto puuls off the jutsu and lands it, fight over.

Now, this is how you described it. Naruto shows up and defeats a kage level shinobi that was beating kakashi with one move, all by himself. Which is not what happened. Not to mention kakashi admitted he was about to use his MS when naruto showed up so kakashi still had a card to play, it wasnt over.

It's a simple difference in ability. It doesn't matter because Naruto & Kakashi don't actually use jutsu like that for this litttle trick of Neji's to even be effective. A difference in chakra control. Either way, neji did something kakashi couldnt so you can say its was nothing special. But, FACT is, Neji got out of something a Kage level shinobi couldnt.


Naruto got to his intended target (Gaara) http://onemanga.com/Naruto/276/14/. Then Naruto lays the smack down on what he thought was Deidara http://onemanga.com/Naruto/277/03/, http://onemanga.com/Naruto/277/04/. Compare that to what Neji did in this situation now? O that's right Neji did nothing & was also against a Diedara clone. Two people when faced against the same type of opponent. One was able to hit while the other couldn't do shit. You do know what this means right? It means that Naruto is faster then Neji.
LMAO! Naruto took didara by surprise and still failed. Neji and Lee didnt sneak attack deidei, they let him know they caught him then went after him when he tried to run. The difference is naruto was trying to beat deidei to a pulp when Neji, lee were trying to get deidei to give up before he took off. Sighs, Ill be back with the link.

Heres naruto catching dei off guardhttp://onemanga.com/Naruto/276/18-19/
Heres proof it wasnt speedhttp://onemanga.com/Naruto/276/17/

Heres Dei already aware of neji and leehttp://onemanga.com/Naruto/277/15/

There your statement naruto is faster has been proved wrong.
Neji had 3 fights post & failed when it really counted. How many chances do you want to give this pathetic ninja when he just can't perform to the abilities of someone like Naruto, Kakashi, or Sasuke? After awhile it gets old watching Neji get his arse kicked. Your speed issue was a very weak argument based on an anime reference which means it VOID.LMAO! The animated version of the canon manga is void, lol. Really? Seriously? Were not talking about a filler here, were talking about canon manga. Whats next, the manga doesnt count lol?

Your going way too far saying animated manga doesnt count dude.

If we base this fight on the actual manga Sakura pwnz Hinata. If we base this fight on rabid fan theory in regards to the Hyuuga Hinata pwnz Sakura
Lol, your in rare form today. For one, the evidence you have on sakura is that she can hit hard and heal. Besides that, all we have is chioy controling her in a fight with kakuzu. ANd the same goes for hinata. Shes done almost nothing too exept for her twin lion attack.

Ill say it again, theres not enough evidence. But if you think sakura can win out of pure speculation then that might be your so called rabid fanning.

[QUOTE]ur still a moron ppl embarrassed u and u still haven't made one valid point except assumptions and anime fillers.. as i said i am done with the subject lol .. why don't u go make some more retarded statements like "gated lee is faster then minato" oh wait u said that didn't u...Your pure Namilaze-tarted dude. All you do is fan naruto, bitch when hes not winning and then belittle other strong characters because their narutos rival or next obstical.

Yes, I made that statement, but immediately retratced it in my next post with drago1988. However, you never retracted your statement "itachi was at 50 percent when fighting sasuke, he gave the other 50 to naruto". LMAO, its still funny.

I never said i wasn't a fan of naruto i admit i am always have always will unlike ur dumbass who says random shit always with never any proof. the fact that nobody EVER EVER EVER EVER X10 agrees with u proves my point.
what a life u must have searching for other members posts...
A click of naruto fans diagrees=fact Im wrong, lol. Yeah, keep believing that Namilaze.

24 years old rofll i DOUBT IT.
Yeah and I doubt you were'nt spawned by anyone other than forrest Gump.


Sorry but I saw this quoted & thought I'd correct you. A Kyuubi juice with no tails Naruto punch was enough to stop Neji's rotation. Meaning with enough force Neji's rotation can be broken. Something like Rasengan & its variants would be more then enough to pop Neji's bubble based on this information. Naruto can use these jutsu with clones. Meaning Neji's ultimate defense would back fire on Neji & leave him immobilized if he tried using it against Naruto.

Your forgetting that Neji didnt actully get to start rotating. Naruto caught Neji before he even stated and clashed kunai, remember. So, Nejis force of chakra without the power of momnetum was enough to stop narutos kyuubi attack meaning your theory of the rasengan "which is just a small rotation" being able to defeat nejis roratation is bogus speculation.

If you dont remember ill go get you a link.

Myth
03-04-2009, 08:10 PM
bro ur pathetic ur so lame i get green rep saying how much of a idiot u are... why else has nobody ever agreed on what u say ur always wrong everyone says all u do is assume and have no actual facts to back up anything.

i never said itachi was at 50% i said "because he was sick and already dying having split his chakra with naruto may have put him at 50% since he was already way less then 100% due to the sickness"

Sorry u tried but failed unlike u id on't pull shit put of my ass like "gated lee is faster then minato"

Don't put Dagaro's name in here he thinks ur a moron as well infact he put up more retarded lines u wrote a few pages back go check it out..

If i was namikaze of whom u accuse me to be i would be banned already .... im sure the mods aren't as dumb like u.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-04-2009, 10:11 PM
[QUOTE]bro ur pathetic ur so lame i get green rep saying how much of a idiot u are... why else has nobody ever agreed on what u say ur always wrong everyone says all u do is assume and have no actual facts to back up anything.
Yeah, ive been getting those for months about you, lol.

I have no facts like the Links I providided? Or is this just you reinterpriting someone elses words as always.


i never said itachi was at 50% i said "because he was sick and already dying having split his chakra with naruto may have put him at 50% since he was already way less then 100% due to the sickness"

^LMAO! You said plain as day "split his chakra" meaning you did mean he gave him 50 percent lol. This is priceless:D


Here, let evryone else really see what you put.http://forums.narutocentral.com/showthread.php?t=46967&page=12

And I quote: "i explained itachi and 30% chakra crap above read up on the chapter i think it starts from 213 and up.. We can think w/e we want im sorry but the manga doesn't revolve around what u want it to be the way u say "manga fact" well its "manga fact" that itachi threw the fight and was less then 50% due to him splitting power with naruto etc etc. he was dead either way because of his illness. u wanna know why kishi gave itachi an illness because there is no way in hell he could have written up a plasuible fight for those 2 with sasuke winning it was obvious even for a dead person that itachi out classed sasuke the data book proved it... so did madara in case u were looking for "manga fact"
Sorry u tried but failed unlike u id on't pull shit put of my ass like "gated lee is faster then minato"
is that all you have? My one mistake I admitted to? Your being a hypocrit Namilaze.


Don't put Dagaro's name in here he thinks ur a moron as well infact he put up more retarded lines u wrote a few pages back go check it out..LOL! Those werent even my words. He took all three out of context making them his own, not mine.


If i was namikaze of whom u accuse me to be i would be banned already .... im sure the mods aren't as dumb like u.

Well, they probably have no solid proof to ban you exept you and the other two personalities are Identicle. Either wy, your not fooling no one, lol.

Myth
03-04-2009, 10:20 PM
Yeah, ive been getting those for months about you, lol.
sure:rolleyes: nice come back 24 year old...

I have no facts like the Links I providided? Or is this just you reinterpriting someone elses words as always.
no from experience and after reading this thread when u tried against mikey vengeance darago etc etc... many others have been saying it as well other names don't need to be included, no need to rat.



Here, let evryone else really see what you Yup that's what i said as well lol only explained it more.. he was sick split his power if he was sick he was already lower then 100% he split his power then as well i would say he was about 50% as zetsu said "he wasn't fighting like himself he should have easily dodged sasuke's moves" even if ur ar 80% u would be able to do that:rolleyes:


edited: the rest i'll delete i rather pm u the rest.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-04-2009, 10:44 PM
sure:rolleyes: nice come back 24 year old...

no from experience and after reading this thread when u tried against mikey vengeance darago etc etc... many others have been saying it as well other names don't need to be included, no need to rat.



Yup that's what i said as well lol only explained it more.. he was sick split his power if he was sick he was already lower then 100% he split his power then as well i would say he was about 50% as zetsu said "he wasn't fighting like himself he should have easily dodged sasuke's moves" even if ur ar 80% u would be able to do that:rolleyes:


edited: the rest i'll delete i rather pm u the rest.

LMAo! Theres no way around it, you said for a fact itachi split his power with naruto making itachi only 50 percent, lol.

Your foots so far down your throat, lol.

Myth
03-04-2009, 10:46 PM
LMAo! Theres no way around it, you said for a fact itachi split his power with naruto making itachi only 50 percent, lol.

Your foots so far down your throat, lol.

i am not denying anything what way around u fuckign moron what zetsu said and how sick itachi was by madaras words needing meds to keep him alive yes he was at best 50%.. rofll just cause im tryign to explain why i said that doesn't mean i am going around..

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-04-2009, 11:06 PM
i am not dying anything what way around u fuckign moron what zetsu said and how sick itachi was by madaras words needing meds to keep him alive yes he was at best 50%.. rofll just cause im tryign to explain why i said that doesn't mean i am going around..

Lol, what? clearly its hard to type with a foot in your mouth.

ANyways, you can try and reinteprit your own word, but its there plainas day "manga fact, itachi threw the fight and he was less than 50 percent due to him splitting his power with naruto".


Now, lets break this down.
1. you said yourself "he was less than 50 percent because he split his power with naruto" not because he was sick, lol.

2. no matter how you try and put it. Saying itachi gave naruto half of his power is BS of the highest level. And to make matters worse, you claimed it to be manga fact.

Myth
03-04-2009, 11:13 PM
Lol, what? clearly its hard to type with a foot in your mouth.

ANyways, you can try and reinteprit your own word, but its there plainas day "manga fact, itachi threw the fight and he was less than 50 percent due to him splitting his power with naruto".


Now, lets break this down.
1. you said yourself "he was less than 50 percent because he split his power with naruto" not because he was sick, lol.

2. no matter how you try and put it. Saying itachi gave naruto half of his power is BS of the highest level. And to make matters worse, you claimed it to be manga fact.

check 438 i explained what i wrote.. its ok dont be mad just cause nobody likes u on a message board rofll.. oh in case u want "fact" just start reading from page 234 in this thread.. or further if ud like. 234 is just a recent update

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-04-2009, 11:21 PM
check 438 i explained what i wrote.. its ok dont be mad just cause nobody likes u on a message board rofll

Yeah, nobody like me becuase I insult everyone and pic fights when narutos not winning, lol. Somehoe your under the impression I would actually believe a word you say, lol.


As for the "neji has the best chakra control in the narutoverse, so far" Well, do you see anyone else shooting chakra like Ki blasts, lol. No, thats what I thought.

i understand you dont think anyone else can be the best at anything exept for naruto, but your mistaken my friend.

BOT: Shika vs chouji and ino?

Myth
03-04-2009, 11:29 PM
Yeah, nobody like me becuase I insult everyone and pic fights when narutos not winning, lol. Somehoe your under the impression I would actually believe a word you say, lol.


As for the "neji has the best chakra control in the narutoverse, so far" Well, do you see anyone else shooting chakra like Ki blasts, lol. No, thats what I thought.

i understand you dont think anyone else can be the best at anything exept for naruto, but your mistaken my friend.



U don't have to believe me ur living in denial then every says ur an idiot and everyone disagrees with u as i said check the pages lol.

Kreglze
03-04-2009, 11:31 PM
I really want to say Shikamaru over both because I really don't like Ino and Choji but he has to stand still to use shadow possesion and shadow sewing. If he was able to capture them quickly he would win, but with the time he needed to capture them Ino could probably get off her mind transfer render Shikamaru useless enough for Choji to get a hold of him then transfer out and have Choji just destory a vulnerable Shikamaru in his hands...

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-04-2009, 11:33 PM
check 438 i explained what i wrote.. its ok dont be mad just cause nobody likes u on a message board rofll.. oh in case u want "fact" just start reading from page 234 in this thread.. or further if ud like. 234 is just a recent update

U don't have to believe me ur living in denial then every says ur an idiot and everyone disagrees with u as i said check the pages lol.

Ahhh, calm down. I know you thought I wouldnt find the post, but I did. Why dont you just admit you were wrong and let it go?


BOT: SHika vs ino and chouji?

Myth
03-04-2009, 11:36 PM
Ahhh, calm down. I know you thought I wouldnt find the post, but I did. Why dont you just admit you were wrong and let it go?


BOT: SHika vs ino and chouji?

because i wasn't wrong just because u say i was doesn't mean shit there was a reason i wrote "etc etc" there because i didn't feel like writing in the rest when i already said it before....

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-04-2009, 11:39 PM
I really want to say Shikamaru over both because I really don't like Ino and Choji but he has to stand still to use shadow possesion and shadow sewing. If he was able to capture them quickly he would win, but with the time he needed to capture them Ino could probably get off her mind transfer render Shikamaru useless enough for Choji to get a hold of him then transfer out and have Choji just destory a vulnerable Shikamaru in his hands...

I think shika could use his SP to take over chouji, have him squash ino and then shika could use a explosive kunia to beat chouji.

Shika wins.

Myth
03-04-2009, 11:41 PM
Again, as said by zetsu and sasuke in the manga. "itachi is suffering the effects of tsukuyomi". this was after sasuke countered tsukuyomi. LOL, your the one going on about manga facts so whats your excuse now? http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/401/14/ http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/401/01/ http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/401/02/ see written words by kishi the man who wrote the data book itachi planned the entire fight down to a T and had he actually wanted to sasuke would be dead.

^ that was my reply way back when all i did was write what zetsu said to explain why i said that comment on itachi...
Now i u look at those links and see what zetsu says its the same thing word to word i wrote in chapter 438 predictions and here.. as i said i don't justify myself or try to sound better i simply wrote etc etc because i mentioned this many times before.


http://forums.narutocentral.com/showthread.php?t=46967&page=12 that the original page in case u don't believe me 4th post from the top..

How's it feel to have my foot up ur ass now. ur sig fails ur my bitch hahahah u copy eveything i do and this post proves that ur an idiot i told u i never deny what i said i just re wrote it from what i said back then thats ur quote thats my reply.... read those links . everything zetsu said i re wrote..

blake
03-04-2009, 11:48 PM
how bout sage naruto with no clones for extra sageness vs a full powered orochimaru

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-04-2009, 11:50 PM
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/401/14/ http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/401/01/ http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/401/02/ see written words by kishi the man who wrote the data book itachi planned the entire fight down to a T and had he actually wanted to sasuke would be dead.

^ that was my reply way back when all i did was write what zetsu said to explain why i said that comment on itachi...
Now i u look at those links and see what zetsu says its the same thing word to word i wrote in chapter 438 predictions and here.. as i said i don't justify myself or try to sound better i simply wrote etc etc because i mentioned this many times before.


http://forums.narutocentral.com/showthread.php?t=46967&page=12 that the original page in case u don't believe me 4th post from the top..

How's it feel to have my foot up ur ass now.

Quit fronting, that foot is still deep down your throat.

Anyways, what does this have to do with your BS comment? thats right, nothing. You said itachi was less than 50 percent because he split his power with naruto and nothings going to change that. Sighs, let it go!

Back on topic: Third hokage vs hidan?


EDIT: lol, i copied you. Watch this Im about to make an ass out of you again, lol.

Myth
03-04-2009, 11:51 PM
how bout sage naruto with no clones for extra sageness vs a full powered orochimaru

extra sageness full powered oro if oro can use edo tensei and summon before naruto knocks him he'll win but all naruto needs is to use a frs and he's gone.. depends on the stipulation elaborate please.

blake
03-04-2009, 11:53 PM
naruto in sage mode already as he arrived vs pain. no frogs as back up. vs oro from when he fought the third hokage. and too make it a little more fair, no edo tensei.

this isnt as easy as i thought it would be to choose

Myth
03-04-2009, 11:53 PM
Quit fronting, that foot is still deep down your throat.

Anyways, what does this have to do with your BS comment? thats right, nothing. You said itachi was less than 50 percent because he split his power with naruto and nothings going to change that. Sighs, let it go!



Im not denying it u fucking mroon show me one post where i said "i didn't say that" and i won't clown u anymore.

all i did was explain why i said it because i HAVE ALREADY SAID IT BEFORE TO YOU those links are proof.. don't make me make a threead and embarass u publicly like i said every word i re wrote on why i said that about itachi is over there in that post..

the fact that u saw it and still refuse to accept that u have nothing is sad..

thanks for putting that in ur sig now everyone knows u copy me and ur my bitch..

one thing i feel bad for u though u pulled up an interesting post from me true yet u left out the explanation in that same post lol... then when i re wrote the xplanation u said i was just trying to look better.. so what now i posted the link to what i said 3 weeks ago which is word for word to what i wrote tonight...

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-05-2009, 12:11 AM
Im not denying it u fucking mroon show me one post where i said "i didn't say that" and i won't clown u anymore.

all i did was explain why i said it because i HAVE ALREADY SAID IT BEFORE TO YOU those links are proof.. don't make me make a threead and embarass u publicly like i said every word i re wrote on why i said that about itachi is over there in that post..

the fact that u saw it and still refuse to accept that u have nothing is sad..

thanks for putting that in ur sig now everyone knows u copy me and ur my bitch..

one thing i feel bad for u though u pulled up an interesting post from me true yet u left out the explanation in that same post lol... then when i re wrote the xplanation u said i was just trying to look better.. so what now i posted the link to what i said 3 weeks ago which is word for word to what i wrote tonight...
Lol, you didnt admit crap. You tried to reinterprit your own words and provide other BS that still couldnt justify such a comment.

ALso, I like you new sig. ALthough it might actually be credible if drago1988 actually used what I really said and wasnt just caught having multiple accounts.

EDIT: if you want to play that way, I have a beautiful new sig just for you, lol.

Myth
03-05-2009, 12:19 AM
Lol, you didnt admit crap. You tried to reinterprit your own words and provide other BS that still couldnt justify such a comment.

ALso, I like you new sig. ALthough it might actually be credible if drago1988 actually used what I really said and wasnt just caught having multiple accounts.

EDIT: if you want to play that way, I have a beautiful new sig just for you, lol.

i've already seen ur sig problem is the rest of the forum already saw my actual post and they know that wasn't it good try though.

as for the crap u wrote as i said. i wrote what i wrote tonight not to deny what i said i admitted to it. but i said explained why i said those words. i even said those words or rather posted the links to them 3 weeks ago in the same post u put in ur sig. u just "accidentally" missed it i know.

But like i said its ok everyone has eyes and they can use their hands thank god they will read the post i wrote 3 week ago and they will see the links i put up from 3 weeks ago in the post i copied from that thread..

I posted the read and even the number of the post which contains it all.

here i'll do it a better way now.

Myth
03-05-2009, 12:24 AM
You and others can believe w/e yall want, but itachi wasnt a weakling just because you want him to be. clearly because you just dont like sasuke. Sick or not, itachi was bad as enough to compete with akakashi and naruto with only 30 percent of his chakra so !
i explained itachi and 30% chakra crap above read up on the chapter i think it starts from 213 and up.. We can think w/e we want im sorry but the manga doesn't revolve around what u want it to be the way u say "manga fact" well its "manga fact" that itachi threw the fight and was less then 50% due to him splitting power with naruto etc etc. he was dead either way because of his illness. u wanna know why kishi gave itachi an illness because there is no way in hell he could have written up a plausible fight for those 2 with sasuke winning it was obvious even for a dead person that itachi out classed sasuke the data book proved it... so did madara in case u were looking for "manga fact"




Again, as said by zetsu and sasuke in the manga. "itachi is suffering the effects of tsukuyomi". this was after sasuke countered tsukuyomi. LOL, your the one going on about manga facts so whats your excuse now? http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/401/14/ http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/401/01/ http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/401/02/ see written words by kishi the man who wrote the data book itachi planned the entire fight down to a T and had he actually wanted to sasuke would be dead.

these are the 2 posts i wrote 3 weeks ago part 1 is where i said itachi was 50% or maybe less i doubt it was less though i'll admit that i say 50% at best. and then the second part with the manga links is an explanation to why i said that.

here is what i wrote tonight since i was lazy in the first place to find the post where i wrote it before or posted the links to i just wrote it up..

yes amnga fact.

Itachi was very very sick according to madara he needs medication to remain alive for as long as he did meaning he would have died a while ago so that puts him well below 100% right.. zetsu said he's not fighting like himself with his level he shoudl be able to easily dodge every attack from sasuke or at least the ones sasuke used that injured him... more proof that he is below 100%. Itachi then met up with naruto and split some of his power with naruto. True it did not say how much but he did split power with him intended on stoping mks from sasuke i suppose.. since he already knew he would given him the powers and madara might get him..

So the chances of him being anywhere above 50 is slim... at least thats how i see it from reading it...


Anyone who reads this will find it very similar to the same links i posted in this posted thatw ere from another post i wrote 3 weeks ago. Kyf was then later on tonight embarassed by me he then tried to pull up this post but quoted only 1 part not the whole thing showing us all how less credible he is as always. i then put up a sig to show everyone what a true idiot he is but he denies saying anything like the sig and just copied what i did by putting a sig of the 50% thing but cut it in half so the rest shouldn't see the other half of the post i shared with u all here.
he bascially copied everything i did to him tonight but failed at it.. Yes he is my bitch and his self esteem revolves around how well people perceive him on a anime manga based forum.. he is also trying to make us believe he is a sane 24 year old he sounds like a 12 year old to me but then again he may truly be stupid.

There im done with this.

edit: ur new sig is horrible lol so u quoted LLS how cool i clowned 2 weeks ago wanna see the rep i got for doing it ill show u it through pm if u want or would u rather me embarrass him here.. it also makes no sense at all since i didnt use ur point on u roflll..

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-05-2009, 12:46 AM
i explained itachi and 30% chakra crap above read up on the chapter i think it starts from 213 and up.. We can think w/e we want im sorry but the manga doesn't revolve around what u want it to be the way u say "manga fact" well its "manga fact" that itachi threw the fight and was less then 50% due to him splitting power with naruto etc etc. he was dead either way because of his illness. u wanna know why kishi gave itachi an illness because there is no way in hell he could have written up a plausible fight for those 2 with sasuke winning it was obvious even for a dead person that itachi out classed sasuke the data book proved it... so did madara in case u were looking for "manga fact"




http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/401/14/ http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/401/01/ http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/401/02/ see written words by kishi the man who wrote the data book itachi planned the entire fight down to a T and had he actually wanted to sasuke would be dead.

these are the 2 posts i wrote 3 weeks ago part 1 is where i said itachi was 50% or maybe less i doubt it was less though i'll admit that i say 50% at best. and then the second part with the manga links is an explanation to why i said that.

here is what i wrote tonight since i was lazy in the first place to find the post where i wrote it before or posted the links to i just wrote it up..



Anyone who reads this will find it very similar to the same links i posted in this posted thatw ere from another post i wrote 3 weeks ago. Kyf was then later on tonight embarassed by me he then tried to pull up this post but quoted only 1 part not the whole thing showing us all how less credible he is as always. i then put up a sig to show everyone what a true idiot he is but he denies saying anything like the sig and just copied what i did by putting a sig of the 50% thing but cut it in half so the rest shouldn't see the other half of the post i shared with u all here.
he bascially copied everything i did to him tonight but failed at it.. Yes he is my bitch and his self esteem revolves around how well people perceive him on a anime manga based forum.. he is also trying to make us believe he is a sane 24 year old he sounds like a 12 year old to me but then again he may truly be stupid.

There im done with this.

LMAo! You made a fool of yourself. Nothing else in anyother post could make up for it, much less justfy it, lol. You said itachi split his power with naruto for crying out load.

EDIT: awe, dont be sad! If it makes you feel ant better, i deticated my sig to you. Cheer up, it could be worse like if I found proof you were copying someone elses post. Oh wait, dont look at my sig.


Third hokage vs Hidan?

Myth
03-05-2009, 12:49 AM
LMAo! You made a fool of yourself. Nothing else in anyother post could make up for it, much less justfy it, lol. You said itachi split his power with naruto for crying out load.I didn't deny it as i said i admitted to it and th explanation to why i said it is there i maybe be wrong but at least i don't spew shit out like "gated lee is faster then minato" nothing will ever beat that... "itachi did split his power with naruto read up shit stain"... trust me my sig looks way more humiliating then what u put up since i have back up on why i wrote what i wrote u just said it because u were loosing debates left and right. Congrats on finally learning how to quote it took you a half a year to learn what good "24
" year old u are.



EDIT: awe, dont be sad! If it makes you feel ant better, i deticated my sig to you. Cheer up, it could be worse like if I found proof you were copying someone elses post. Oh wait, dont look at my sig. If ur dumb enough to leave something in a debate that i can use against u then ur just a plain moron.. i don't remember doing it but if i did good for me lol i out witted whoever tried something..

oh heres the rep btw..

"I love it when u get like this. The shovel was a great prop."

Its when i clowned ur fiend LLS:cool:

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-05-2009, 01:00 AM
I didn't deny it as i said i admitted to it and th explanation to why i said it is there i maybe be wrong but at least i don't spew shit out like "gated lee is faster then minato" nothing will ever beat that... "itachi did split his power with naruto read up shit stain"... trust me my sig looks way more humiliating then what u put up since i have back up on why i wrote what i wrote u just said it because u were loosing debates left and right. Congrats on finally learning how to quote it took you a half a year to learn what good "24
" year old u are.


If ur dumb enough to leave something in a debate that i can use against u then ur just a plain moron.. i don't remember doing it but if i did good for me lol i out witted whoever tried something..

oh heres the rep btw..

"I love it when u get like this. The shovel was a great prop."

Its when i clowned ur fiend LLS:cool:

1. Youve clowned no one but yourself. Acting like a third grader, insulting everyone, making up crap, lol. Sighs, I understand your insecure and its frustartes you. However, theres a more mature way of dealing with that than this dont you think.

2. You said it again, lol. Itachi didnt split crap with naruto! All itachi said was "Im giving you "some" of my power", not Im halfing my power with you, wait, I get the big piece, lol. Do you see my point.

3. Stop spamming up the VS thread. Drop it or PM me.

now, Third Hokage vs Hidan?

EDIT: Lol, you altered Dragos1988s already altered words. He didnt say "Lees faster than minato", lol! LLS is right, you are pathetic. The difference between me and you is I dont have to make things up.

Myth
03-05-2009, 01:06 AM
1. Youve clowned no one but yourself. Acting like a third grader, insulting everyone, making up crap, lol. Sighs, I understand your insecure and its frustartes you. However, theres a more mature way of dealing with that than this dont you think.Yeah cause i reply to everyone with constant crap all the time i never have any proof i get called by having no credibility i refuse to accept im wrong even when i really am.. oh wait thats you... Ur 24 years old and everyone on this board who posts in the manga section says ur an idiot nobody ever agrees with any of ur points and they always call u out on the same thing... YOU ARE A PATHETIC PERSON

2. You said it again, lol. Itachi didnt split crap with naruto! All itachi said was "Im giving you "some" of my power", not Im halfing my power with you, wait, I get the big piece, lol. Do you see my point. "im giving u some of my power" WHERE THE FUK DO U THINK HE TAKES THIS POWER FROM . Here is an example for a retard like urself "Myth is giving u some of his "chocolate" where the fuk did take that some from did magically duplicate it no i broke a peice of it and gave it to you. same thing itachi did he broke or "took" some of his power and gave it to naruto. same shit as splitting.. tha was a first grade example i gave u let's see how well a 24 year old such as yourself gets it.

U wanna stop spamming to prove that ur my bitch u will cont to reply to my posts u will reply to this one as well. lets see how "u really want to stop spamming this thread".

edit: i fixed it do u like it now. as always ur a hypocrite and u contradict ur words first u say im acting like a third grader but ur copying me lol then u say u don't make shit up when the past 10 pages thats what everyone was saying about u.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-05-2009, 01:20 AM
Third Hokage vs Hidan; Restrictions, No being immature, insecurly frustrated and talking for everyone else.

I think The third has this one.

Myth
03-05-2009, 01:21 AM
Third Hokage vs Hidan; Restrictions, No being immature, insecurly frustrated and talking for everyone else.

I think The third has this one.

nice last sig to bad u don't make things up:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleye s::rolleyes:

third hokage would win and its a stupid fight....

Here's something normal...

Kakuzu Vs garra w shukaka

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-05-2009, 01:30 AM
nice last sig to bad u don't make things up:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleye s::rolleyes:

third hokage would win and its a stupid fight....

Here's something normal...

Kakuzu Vs garra w shukaka

Too bad you have to make things up, lol.


No, gara vs Kakuzu is a bad fight because kakuzu can use his lightning element to attack and his earth to defend. Gaara has a huge disadvantage.

Myth
03-05-2009, 01:34 AM
Too bad you have to make things up, lol.its to bad i didn't like i said not even ur sigs HAVE PROOF of them thats how pathetic u are give it up ur not 24 u never were if u are i wonder who gave birth to u are they as dumb or dumber.


No, gara vs Kakuzu is a bad fight because kakuzu can use his lightning element to attack and his earth to defend. Gaara has a huge disadvantage.shit stain garra is a long range fighter don't forget check ur manga for "facts". i would say more but that would lead to debating a loser who will just make shit up like the words in my sig and say they are real.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-05-2009, 01:43 AM
[QUOTE]its to bad i didn't like i said not even ur sigs HAVE PROOF of them thats how pathetic u are give it up ur not 24 u never were if u are i wonder who gave birth to u are they as dumb or dumber.

Oh really, lol. I have proof of two of mine, what about you? Awe, only one.

shit stain garra is a long range fighter don't forget check ur manga for "facts". i would say more but that would lead to debating a loser who will just make shit up like the words in my sig and say they are real.

Lol, your hilarious! ANyways, a long range wont save gara from a long range lightning attack. Sighs, I mustve really shook you up for you to forget something like that. Just explain how long range would save gaara?

Myth
03-05-2009, 01:47 AM
Oh really, lol. I have proof of two of mine, what about you? Awe, only one.



Lol, your hilarious! ANyways, a long range wont save gara from a long range lightning attack. Sighs, I mustve really shook you up for you to forget something like that. Just explain how long range would save gaara?

u forgot how to quote again :rolleyes:

i wont comment on the fight cause i dont wanan deal with ur dumb ass pathetic loser go slap whoever gave birth to u.


Yeah u have proof of yours that u just cut my post and left the part that held up ur side lol its ok we all know ur embarrassed already

its ok my one sig says how smart u really are...





IMA DO WHAT EVERYONE DOES WITH U SAY GOOD NIGHT KEEP RANTING UR STILL A MORON AND ULL FOREVER REMAIN AS ONE ...

edit:ur pathetic i was bored so clicked on ur profile a few times and every time ur searching old threads for some posts lol don;t u have a life don;t u do anything except this forum.. ima put u on the ignore list again ur annoying to read.. btw i love trolling u ur the easiest person to troll on nbl.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-05-2009, 01:56 AM
u forgot how to quote again :rolleyes:

i wont comment on the fight cause u dont wanan deal with ur dumb ass pathetic loser go slap whoever gave birth to u.


Yeah u have proof of yours that u just cut my post and left the part that held up ur side lol its ok we all know ur embarrassed already

its ok my one sig says how smart u really are...





IMA DO WHAT EVERYONE DOES WITH U SAY GOOD NIGHT KEEP RANTING UR STILL A MORON AND ULL FOREVER REMAIN AS ONE ...

edit:ur pathetic i was bored so clicked on ur profile a few times and every time ur searching old threads for some posts lol don;t u have a life don;t u do anything except this forum.. ima put u on the ignore list again ur annoying to read.. btw i love trolling u ur the easiest person to troll on nbl.

Lol, I was about to say how easy it is to put your panties into a wadd, lol.

Proof!
1.http://forums.narutocentral.com/showthread.php?t=47042&page=12

2.http://forums.narutocentral.com/show...=46967&page=12

BOT: Kakuzu wins over gaara.

Myth
03-05-2009, 02:00 AM
Lol, I was about to say how easy it is to put your panties into a wadd, lol.

Proof!
1.http://forums.narutocentral.com/showthread.php?t=47042&page=12

2.

BOT: Kakuzu wins over gaara.

lol if he doesn't know how to reply its not my fault i later said that i mis understood what he wrote what i wrote is what i have benn saying that time he wrote something and confused me so i went on.... still makes no point so u can poof ur ass on out here loser ..

Vengeance
mikey
darago
popion

etc etc all think ur an idiot Vengeance hasn't said it but he makes u look like one.. and agreed with me on the post where i shut ur mouth up.

good day ignor list nowwww

edit: here's the reply that was to the first link of lls btw... and what isaid and was trying to prove was that naruto could have killed pain already had he went for god realm instead of hell realm. as i said there's nothing u can post where i haven't explained myself already. the day i was burnt so i def fucked up and didn't see where he posted it thats why i dropped the thing after since he agreed with me.

w/e i made my point nuff said fight was over 2 chapters ago now got to sleep.

^^^ thats the reply btw.

Ironclad
03-05-2009, 02:02 AM
Touching. So much drama about nothing.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-05-2009, 02:04 AM
lol if he doesn't know how to reply its not my fault i later said that i mis understood what he wrote what i wrote is what i have benn saying that time he wrote something and confused me so i went on.... still makes no point so u can poof ur ass on out here loser ..

Vengeance
mikey
darago
popion

etc etc all think ur an idiot Vengeance hasn't said it but he makes u look like one.. and agreed with me on the post where i shut ur mouth up.

good day ignor list nowwww

Ok, have fun in your own little world, lol.

Lol, wheres your proof? Awe, there is none:( Wait, then whats that sig about. OH, you made it up like everything else. Sighs, there has to be a better way.

BOT: Again, third hokage vs Hidan.

poolangya
03-05-2009, 07:27 AM
3rd hokage vs hidan? i place my bets on the 3rd hokage. im quite sure sarutobi will get caught with hidan's curse jutsu, but he has an edge with his enma summon.or just the stick itself, he can knock away hidan from his curse circle. that is if he figures out hidan's technique before hidan can dish out the killing blow unto himself. anyone against hidan is disadvantaged if (1) they aren't speedy/agile enough to avoid hidan's attacks (2) they don't know the nature of hidan's curse jutsu. but i will go with sarutobi because im quite sure he can figure it out.

movalle
03-05-2009, 09:52 AM
the third was known as the professor so he would have seen a justu simular to hidan so he woul know some what to do

Vengeance
03-05-2009, 10:23 AM
Power wise yes, but not how much skill it takes to perform such a feat. A level of chakra control beyond anything weve seen yet. thats impressive!

Yakushi Kabuto has shown the most impressive amount of chakra control in the manga & he's not even a Hyuuga. Not that this part really matters but I'd just like to point it out. Kabuto's fighting style with raw chakra is allot more effective when compared to any Hyuuga including Neji or Hiashi. Kabuto is also the only person ever shown to have the ability to heal someone from mid range (4T Naruto vs. Oro arc when he healed Sakura.). But you know what really makes Kabuto superior to any Hyuuga? Unlike the Hyuuga Kabuto isn't limited to raw chakra. He can use both genjutsu & doton. But this really doesn't matter as I said before I just wanted to point out that Hyuuga's aren't the only ones with great chakra manipulation.

I watched the anime and counted because its impossible to know off of manga. Also, dont say the anime doesnt count when its the animated version of the manga.
No creditable debater defends the right to use an anime reference in a manga only forum. If you want to debate on the anime then go to the VS thread in the anime section. It's alright to make a mistake between the anime & manga however if you knowingly use an anime reference here you just come off as noobish.

LOL! 10 percent clones? Now that is pure BS because the clones would have the same strength, speed ect as the original exept for indurence which allows them to be killed with one hit or dispell after using all thier chakra. LMAO, 10 percent. Thats like saying narutos SM KBs were 40 percent SM clones, lol. That statement is beyond an assumtion.
Actually it’s not because water clones don't equally split the users chakra you're mistaking it for a shadow clone. Water clones & shadow clones are two completely different jutsu. This was stated some where (Zabuza arc I believe) that you can use 10% of your chakra to create one. This is why Kakashi copied the jutsu instead of using a shadow clone. Kakashi was conserving his chakra reserves.

Your right, breaking out of something not even kakashi could get out of is is easy, anyone could do it.
Ok Ron, listen well to what I have to say here. Hyuuga have a special ability that allows them to see the weak point in a jutsu. Because Hyuuga can condense their chakra in one spot (to make a scalpel like chakra blade among other things) it allows them the ability to potentially brake out of any type of binding jutsu. Kakashi was unable to brake free because he can’t condense his chakra like that. Neji also needs to concentrate to do this which takes up time. This section doesn’t matter because the other people in question don’t actually use these types of jutsu. Meaning just because Neji can do it doesn’t mean it would actually help him in a fight against Naruto, Sasuke, or Kakashi. If we were doing a Shikamaru VS Neji then it would be relevant.

I dont want to offend you, but your starting to sound like myth. ANyways, using narutos performance against kakuzu as his true strenght before SM is also BS. Naruto showed up after kakashi and shika had already took out two hearts, plus wore him down some. Then, naruto comes out of nowhere, creates his ultimate jutsu and still almost gets killed, lol. Thanks to kakashi and yamato! So, after narutos gathered all info on kakauzus abilities, seen him move twice, and has a team to back him up. NAruto puuls off the jutsu and lands it, fight over.
BS how exactly when he totally pwned Kakazu who is indeed a Kage level shinobi. This showed us that Naruto surpassed Kakashi which again makes Naruto a Kage level shinobi. Naruto only got caught because his jutsu failed the first time he attempted to strike. Had Naruto been given extra time to train with it he would of landed the first hit. However Naruto wasn't given this time & had to perfect his jutsu while in an actual battle. At the end of the day Naruto did perfect his jutsu(during the fight) & at this point should be recognized as a ninja greater then Kakashi which again makes Naruto a Kage level shinobi.

Now, this is how you described it. Naruto shows up and defeats a kage level shinobi that was beating kakashi with one move, all by himself. Which is not what happened. Not to mention kakashi admitted he was about to use his MS when naruto showed up so kakashi still had a card to play, it wasnt over.
Actually that's not how I described it because I never actually described the fight Ron. All I said was Naruto was taking out Kage level shinobi before his sage training which is true so you need to STFU & stop miss-quoting what I say. If you feel the need to comment on my post then at least be accurate with what I'm actually saying.

A difference in chakra control. Either way, neji did something kakashi couldnt so you can say its was nothing special. But, FACT is, Neji got out of something a Kage level shinobi couldnt.
Again with this bullshit I'm not even going to bother repeating myself. See my above statements regarding this issue. Moving on...


LMAO! Naruto took didara by surprise and still failed. Neji and Lee didnt sneak attack deidei, they let him know they caught him then went after him when he tried to run. The difference is naruto was trying to beat deidei to a pulp when Neji, lee were trying to get deidei to give up before he took off. Sighs, Ill be back with the link..


Heres naruto catching dei off guardhttp://onemanga.com/Naruto/276/18-19/
Heres proof it wasnt speedhttp://onemanga.com/Naruto/276/17/

Heres Dei already aware of neji and leehttp://onemanga.com/Naruto/277/15/

There your statement naruto is faster has been proved wrong.
All you showed me was Neji not doing a damn thing in a situation against the same type of opponent. While Diedara was fully aware that Naruto & Kakashi were both in the area remember they were chasing him down. You also showed Naruto's ability to ambush an opponent. What you forgot to show was this http://onemanga.com/Naruto/277/16/. Notice how Diedara trumps all of team Gai with pure speed. However Naruto was still able to get back Gaara(which was one of my examples of speed remember) & lay the smack down on Deidara. But if you need another example of actual performance fine http://onemanga.com/Naruto/276/12/. Notice how Naruto was able to get close to Diedara while he's flying on a clay bird which would be moving faster then Diedara on foot. This happened right before he got to Gaara.

LMAO! The animated version of the canon manga is void, lol. Really? Seriously? Were not talking about a filler here, were talking about canon manga. Whats next, the manga doesnt count lol?
Ron please read my above statements in regards to anime usage in a manga forum as I don't feel like repeating myself. Moving on....

Your going way too far saying animated manga doesnt count dude.
The anime & manga are two different things. Kakashi used Katon in the main story of the anime. Does this mean we're allowed to use Katon for Kakashi in a manga fight? Hell fucking no, this rule applies to anything shown in the anime no matter how big or small. Do you understand the concept yet? You defending the right to talk about the anime in a manga section makes you sound like a complete moron.

Lol, your in rare form today. For one, the evidence you have on sakura is that she can hit hard and heal. Besides that, all we have is chioy controling her in a fight with kakuzu. ANd the same goes for hinata. Shes done almost nothing too exept for her twin lion attack.

Ill say it again, theres not enough evidence. But if you think sakura can win out of pure speculation then that might be your so called rabid fanning.
Yeah I can see you're just a rabid Hyuuga fan. I'll simply quote myself from earlier in regards to this fight.
Sakura has been trained by a Sannin in the art of medical ninjutsu, dodging, & chakra enhanced attacks. While Hinata is a reject Hyuuga who’s little sister is better then her. Hinata got bitched around in both of her manga fights & has yet to show an ounce of actual skill. But that's ok because Hinata has Byakugan she automatically wins? I hate rabid fan logic. All Sakura needs to do is punch the ground once to immobilize Hinata long enough to rush in for a one hit KO.

Vengeance
03-05-2009, 10:24 AM
Sorry had to double post.

Your forgetting that Neji didnt actully get to start rotating. Naruto caught Neji before he even stated and clashed kunai, remember. So, Nejis force of chakra without the power of momnetum was enough to stop narutos kyuubi attack meaning your theory of the rasengan "which is just a small rotation" being able to defeat nejis roratation is bogus speculation.

If you dont remember ill go get you a link.
When the rotations of Neji's spin & Naruto's rasengan collide it would cause a chain reaction similar to what happened when Naruto punched Neji's spin. What you're failing to understand is all Naruto needs to do is force Neji into a spin by attacking with clones. Then once the rotation starts one of Naruto’s clones would smash into it with a Rasengan. This can be done at the beginning of the rotation however it doesn't have to be sinse Naruto's rasengan rotation is allot more condensed & therefore more powerful then Neji's spin. FYI Still waiting for that link as far as I'm concerned Neji's spin can be broken with enough force.

BOT: Again, third hokage vs Hidan.
Hidan sucks this is just another joke fight. Sarutobi first uses kage shuriken bushin(or whatever it's called) to slow Hidan down followed by a doton jutsu to sink Hidan into the ground with only his head exposed. Sarutobi would then slowly walk over while laughing & place a couple of exploding tags on Hidan's face. Without the brain the body can not function enough said Sarutobi would pwn Hidan.

popion
03-05-2009, 10:42 AM
i dont get what is the deal with this guy lol
i said that sakura would win more than once
lol i even said that b4 he even started posting in this thread on this mather

the simple fact that sakura can win vs the curent hinata with 1 hit, while hinata need to hit her multiple times to render sakura's taijutsu useless is, i think, without a doubt (and i am a hinata fanboy)

i think sakura takes this, cuz she can ko hinata in 1 hit, but hinata needs more than 1 hit to put sakura out of the fight. + sakura dodges a lot so ...
hinata would need more that just gentle fist to win against sakura.
in the manga hinata lacks suplementary skils

Ironclad
03-05-2009, 02:10 PM
Actually incorrect and correct.

Because manga duels are usually longer than real life stuff. So...well, Hinata could get a cheapshot and if she is a shinobi, then she will most certainly use it.

popion
03-05-2009, 02:48 PM
Actually incorrect and correct.

Because manga duels are usually longer than real life stuff. So...well, Hinata could get a cheapshot and if she is a shinobi, then she will most certainly use it.
eh this is a debate and we use just facts.
yeah ure right about that cheapshot, but hinata hasnt shown any till now in the manga

3rd vs hidan
close figh but i think that sarutobi even if he is old, he will succed in keping distance and bomb hidan with long range jutsus.
+ sarutobi can use earth. he can block hidan 4ever in some hole lol

but if 3rd doeasnt have any info on him he is toast. not even the mother of enma wont save him lol

kOnOhA's WhItE fAnG
03-05-2009, 04:08 PM
Yakushi Kabuto has shown the most impressive amount of chakra control in the manga & he's not even a Hyuuga. Not that this part really matters but I'd just like to point it out. Kabuto's fighting style with raw chakra is allot more effective when compared to any Hyuuga including Neji or Hiashi. Kabuto is also the only person ever shown to have the ability to heal someone from mid range (4T Naruto vs. Oro arc when he healed Sakura.). But you know what really makes Kabuto superior to any Hyuuga? Unlike the Hyuuga Kabuto isn't limited to raw chakra. He can use both genjutsu & doton. But this really doesn't matter as I said before I just wanted to point out that Hyuuga's aren't the only ones with great chakra manipulation.


No creditable debater defends the right to use an anime reference in a manga only forum. If you want to debate on the anime then go to the VS thread in the anime section. It's alright to make a mistake between the anime & manga however if you knowingly use an anime reference here you just come off as noobish.


Actually it’s not because water clones don't equally split the users chakra you're mistaking it for a shadow clone. Water clones & shadow clones are two completely different jutsu. This was stated some where (Zabuza arc I believe) that you can use 10% of your chakra to create one. This is why Kakashi copied the jutsu instead of using a shadow clone. Kakashi was conserving his chakra reserves.


Ok Ron, listen well to what I have to say here. Hyuuga have a special ability that allows them to see the weak point in a jutsu. Because Hyuuga can condense their chakra in one spot (to make a scalpel like chakra blade among other things) it allows them the ability to potentially brake out of any type of binding jutsu. Kakashi was unable to brake free because he can’t condense his chakra like that. Neji also needs to concentrate to do this which takes up time. This section doesn’t matter because the other people in question don’t actually use these types of jutsu. Meaning just because Neji can do it doesn’t mean it would actually help him in a fight against Naruto, Sasuke, or Kakashi. If we were doing a Shikamaru VS Neji then it would be relevant.


BS how exactly when he totally pwned Kakazu who is indeed a Kage level shinobi. This showed us that Naruto surpassed Kakashi which again makes Naruto a Kage level shinobi. Naruto only got caught because his jutsu failed the first time he attempted to strike. Had Naruto been given extra time to train with it he would of landed the first hit. However Naruto wasn't given this time & had to perfect his jutsu while in an actual battle. At the end of the day Naruto did perfect his jutsu(during the fight) & at this point should be recognized as a ninja greater then Kakashi which again makes Naruto a Kage level shinobi.


Actually that's not how I described it because I never actually described the fight Ron. All I said was Naruto was taking out Kage level shinobi before his sage training which is true so you need to STFU & stop miss-quoting what I say. If you feel the need to comment on my post then at least be accurate with what I'm actually saying.


Again with this bullshit I'm not even going to bother repeating myself. See my above statements regarding this issue. Moving on...



All you showed me was Neji not doing a damn thing in a situation against the same type of opponent. While Diedara was fully aware that Naruto & Kakashi were both in the area remember they were chasing him down. You also showed Naruto's ability to ambush an opponent. What you forgot to show was this http://onemanga.com/Naruto/277/16/. Notice how Diedara trumps all of team Gai with pure speed. However Naruto was still able to get back Gaara(which was one of my examples of speed remember) & lay the smack down on Deidara. But if you need another example of actual performance fine http://onemanga.com/Naruto/276/12/. Notice how Naruto was able to get close to Diedara while he's flying on a clay bird which would be moving faster then Diedara on foot. This happened right before he got to Gaara.


Ron please read my above statements in regards to anime usage in a manga forum as I don't feel like repeating myself. Moving on....


The anime & manga are two different things. Kakashi used Katon in the main story of the anime. Does this mean we're allowed to use Katon for Kakashi in a manga fight? Hell fucking no, this rule applies to anything shown in the anime no matter how big or small. Do you understand the concept yet? You defending the right to talk about the anime in a manga section makes you sound like a complete moron.


Yeah I can see you're just a rabid Hyuuga fan. I'll simply quote myself from earlier in regards to this fight.


I agree that kabuto could probably beat Neji & might have better chakra control, but the fact still remains; Neji can still see the flow of chakra, and if he were to get kabuto on the right spot. All of kabuto's abilities would be useless. But Neji isn't the hyuuga protege for nothing. With that said, if kabuto somehow controls the whole orochimaru thing. He would be on a whole different level, and we won't have to worry about this whole chakra thing because neji would be outranked completely.

What about Orochimaru vs Kisame?

Vengeance
03-05-2009, 05:04 PM
I agree that kabuto could probably beat Neji & might have better chakra control, but the fact still remains; Neji can still see the flow of chakra, and if he were to get kabuto on the right spot. All of kabuto's abilities would be useless. But Neji isn't the hyuuga protege for nothing. With that said, if kabuto somehow controls the whole orochimaru thing. He would be on a whole different level, and we won't have to worry about this whole chakra thing because neji would be outranked completely.

What about Orochimaru vs Kisame?
Yeah I bought up Kabuto just as an example of someone with great chakra control that isn't a Hyuuga. But if you want to get into facts here the fact remains that Kabuto was compared with Kakashi & also merc'ed a bunch of Anbu that were guarding Sasuke. Let's also not forget that Kabuto went toe to toe with Tsunade who is currently the Hokage & the only living Sannin. Let's also not forget that Kabuto was willing to attack Sasori on that bridge in part two. Kabuto from what we already outranks Neji but this a completely different topic all together.

Orochimaru vs. Kisame
I can't get into this one right now in great detail but I'd have to go with Orochimaru. I figure Oro & his snakes would work well underwater. Anyway we can factor sick VS healthy, banning or not banning edo tensi, & all that good stuff but I don't have the time for it as I need to go. I may go into more detail on this later but for now I'll leave this one alone.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-05-2009, 08:17 PM
Yakushi Kabuto has shown the most impressive amount of chakra control in the manga & he's not even a Hyuuga. Not that this part really matters but I'd just like to point it out. Kabuto's fighting style with raw chakra is allot more effective when compared to any Hyuuga including Neji or Hiashi. Kabuto is also the only person ever shown to have the ability to heal someone from mid range (4T Naruto vs. Oro arc when he healed Sakura.). But you know what really makes Kabuto superior to any Hyuuga? Unlike the Hyuuga Kabuto isn't limited to raw chakra. He can use both genjutsu & doton. But this really doesn't matter as I said before I just wanted to point out that Hyuuga's aren't the only ones with great chakra manipulation.LoL! Kabuto, seriously? Yes he has great chakra control, but a simple chakra scaple is nothing compared to being able to shoot chakra over a long distance. For crying out load, Neji can excrete (for lack of a better word) from ANY point on his body as explained in the fight with naruto. He uses that and momentum to create kaiten. All kabuto can do is control the chakra in his hand. now how in any way does that mean he has better chakra control than Neji or any other hyuuga for that matter.

Why do you keep bringing up elements. Were talking about chakra, not chakra that has become a element. That and lets actually wait and see neji give his all in a fight before we say what he cant do.

No creditable debater defends the right to use an anime reference in a manga only forum. If you want to debate on the anime then go to the VS thread in the anime section. It's alright to make a mistake between the anime & manga however if you knowingly use an anime reference here you just come off as noobish.Noobish, lol. You act as though you can truely measure speed in a manga, lol. Anyways, I only used the manga to count the hits on each kisame clone to get a better Idea of the speed. Well, I wouldnt of had to use that if I wouldve known Neji used a 361 palms jutsu "stated by Myth". well, maybe I should go check myself before claiming that as fact. Ill be right back.

Actually it’s not because water clones don't equally split the users chakra you're mistaking it for a shadow clone. Water clones & shadow clones are two completely different jutsu. This was stated some where (Zabuza arc I believe) that you can use 10% of your chakra to create one. This is why Kakashi copied the jutsu instead of using a shadow clone. Kakashi was conserving his chakra reserves.
Sighs, your missing the point. Wether it has 1 percent of the originals chakra, it will still have the speed, strength ect as the original. Just not the endurence to take a hit or use alot of chakra.

As for the KBS being special or w/e. Ill need a link for that because I cant remember.

Ok Ron, listen well to what I have to say here. Hyuuga have a special ability that allows them to see the weak point in a jutsu. Because Hyuuga can condense their chakra in one spot (to make a scalpel like chakra blade among other things) it allows them the ability to potentially brake out of any type of binding jutsu. Kakashi was unable to brake free because he can’t condense his chakra like that. Neji also needs to concentrate to do this which takes up time. This section doesn’t matter because the other people in question don’t actually use these types of jutsu. Meaning just because Neji can do it doesn’t mean it would actually help him in a fight against Naruto, Sasuke, or Kakashi. If we were doing a Shikamaru VS Neji then it would be relevant.Wait a minute. Im not trying to compare Neji with sasuke or naruto in a fight. Maybe kakashi because of his lack of stamina, but thats all.

Well, thak you for adding another reason Neji has the best chakra control "hyuuga can condense their chakra".


BS how exactly when he totally pwned Kakazu who is indeed a Kage level shinobi. This showed us that Naruto surpassed Kakashi which again makes Naruto a Kage level shinobi. Naruto only got caught because his jutsu failed the first time he attempted to strike. Had Naruto been given extra time to train with it he would of landed the first hit. However Naruto wasn't given this time & had to perfect his jutsu while in an actual battle. At the end of the day Naruto did perfect his jutsu(during the fight) & at this point should be recognized as a ninja greater then Kakashi which again makes Naruto a Kage level shinobi.
My point is, you act as though naruto was there from the begining. Kakashi was there fighting, gathering info, risking his life all while fighting not only kakuzu, but hidan as well. That and he had to protect the useless chouji and ino making the fight even harder, lol. Then, naruto shows up with his one S rank jutsu, learns what kakuzu can do "kakashis info" then uses a couple of KBs to see how he moves, then attacks with an unmastered jutsu and neraly gets himself killed. Thats a high chunin/low jounin being an oppertunist, not a kage level shinobi.

OK, naruto used a jutsu he hadnt had the time to master and it failed so its Ok. Wrong! Naruto willingly used a jutsu he knew he couldnt control which means he knew it could fail and leave him open for attack. However, he used it anyways and nearly got himself killed exept worn out kakashi and yamato were there to bail him out. So, not only did he put himself in danger. He put his comrades in danger. the fact is, naruto made a bad desicion and took a gamble, but lost.


Actually that's not how I described it because I never actually described the fight Ron. All I said was Naruto was taking out Kage level shinobi before his sage training which is true so you need to STFU & stop miss-quoting what I say. If you feel the need to comment on my post then at least be accurate with what I'm actually saying.But the only other person he fought was kakuzu. So what are you talking about? Sighs, getting all upset for nothing really. ANd who the hell is Ron, lol?



All you showed me was Neji not doing a damn thing in a situation against the same type of opponent. While Diedara was fully aware that Naruto & Kakashi were both in the area remember they were chasing him down. You also showed Naruto's ability to ambush an opponent. What you forgot to show was this http://onemanga.com/Naruto/277/16/. Notice how Diedara trumps all of team Gai with pure speed. However Naruto was still able to get back Gaara(which was one of my examples of speed remember) & lay the smack down on Deidara. But if you need another example of actual performance fine http://onemanga.com/Naruto/276/12/. Notice how Naruto was able to get close to Diedara while he's flying on a clay bird which would be moving faster then Diedara on foot. This happened right before he got to Gaara.Lol, your acting as though naruto just fought a clone of himself and is worn out from it. The fact is, naruto was fresh in his fight with diedara and team Gai wasnt. Hell, I dont even remember Gai doing anything when they found deidara. Now, if naruto had fought and been worn out as well then this could be less debateable.

Also, if you didnt notice, naruto was using kyuubi juice that speeds him up and deidei still got away. So, maybe we should consider deideis speed as well.


The anime & manga are two different things. Kakashi used Katon in the main story of the anime. Does this mean we're allowed to use Katon for Kakashi in a manga fight? Hell fucking no, this rule applies to anything shown in the anime no matter how big or small. Do you understand the concept yet? You defending the right to talk about the anime in a manga section makes you sound like a complete moron.And you acting like the animated canon means as little as a filler makes you sound like a soar loser. I know not to use a filler in a manga discusion, but the animated canon is a whole different story.

Yeah I can see you're just a rabid Hyuuga fan. I'll simply quote myself from earlier in regards to this fight. Yeah, im such a hyuuga fan, lol. There in my sig and I even said hinata could beat sakura with no evidence of it. Wait, I said we dont know who could win because neither have enough evidence to show a clear victor.

Sorry had to double post.


[QUOTE]When the rotations of Neji's spin & Naruto's rasengan collide it would cause a chain reaction similar to what happened when Naruto punched Neji's spin. What you're failing to understand is all Naruto needs to do is force Neji into a spin by attacking with clones. Then once the rotation starts one of Naruto’s clones would smash into it with a Rasengan. This can be done at the beginning of the rotation however it doesn't have to be sinse Naruto's rasengan rotation is allot more condensed & therefore more powerful then Neji's spin. FYI Still waiting for that link as far as I'm concerned Neji's spin can be broken with enough force.
Lol, more powerful. What proof do you have of such a claim? Meanwhile I have proof nejis rotation redirects any incoming force like soft vs hard. Sighs, I told you I would get the link. Dont act like I didnt tell you I would.
Full kaitenhttp://onemanga.com/Naruto/101/04/

Half as kaitenhttp://onemanga.com/Naruto/104/10/

Hidan sucks this is just another joke fight. Sarutobi first uses kage shuriken bushin(or whatever it's called) to slow Hidan down followed by a doton jutsu to sink Hidan into the ground with only his head exposed. Sarutobi would then slowly walk over while laughing & place a couple of exploding tags on Hidan's face. Without the brain the body can not function enough said Sarutobi would pwn Hidan.AGreed, but if hidan can get just alittle cut he could pull an upset.

MikeyM1979
03-06-2009, 07:36 AM
Yeah I bought up Kabuto just as an example of someone with great chakra control that isn't a Hyuuga.Hyuugas aren't the only shinobi with great chakra control.

But if you want to get into facts here the fact remains that Kabuto was compared with KakashiWhich is quite funny, when you think about it. Kabuto, a medical ninja, compared to Kakashi. Someone who is versatile in most things. Kabuto has yet to show anything that would compare to Kakashi, other than medical skills (which is obvious). Those statements are not to be taken seriously unless they are backed up in some way. We've seen a lot from Kakashi, so we know how dangerous he can be. We've seen Kabuto fight Tsunade, and beat fodder. That's it.

also merc'ed a bunch of Anbu that were guarding Sasuke.Fodder. Bringing that up as if it's an impressive feat doesn't help your side of things. :p

Let's also not forget that Kabuto went toe to toe with TsunadeWho was rusty and had a fear of blood, and was old.

who is currently the HokageStatus doesn't mean shit in versus topics. ;) SM Naruto or MS Sasuke would wreck Tsunade in a fight, and they're Genins.

the only living Sannin.How this helps your side of this discussion, I'll never know. From what's been shown, Jiraiya >>> Orochimaru >>>>>>>>>> Tsunade. So basically, bragging that Kabuto went toe to toe against the worse of the three Sannin, is a great feat and something well worth bringing up. xD

Let's also not forget that Kabuto was willing to attack Sasori on that bridge in part two.And? Orochimaru was confident he'd do well against 4TK, and look how that turned out. Arrogance =\= victory. Kabuto being Orochimaru's yes man knows this well, and even practices it himself, and paid for it, like when scrub ass Naruto hit him with a baby Rasengan to the gut. Also, Kabuto was willing to attack Sasori. He had back up from Orochimaru, the king of regeneration.

Kabuto from what we already outranks Neji but this a completely different topic all together.Rank? Wasn't Kabuto a Genin during the Chuunin exams? And Neji is a Jounin now? Unless you mean out rank him in terms of skill. Kabuto has medical techniques, and has been shown to fight up close. What can he possibly do to Neji? Neji has his Byakugan, so he can see Kabuto when he goes underground to try his ankle tricks. Neji is CERTAINLY fast enough to evade any taijutsu Kabuto uses. And anyone who thinks Neji isn't fast enough to strike down Kabuto using taijutsu is just ignorant, or a blatant troll. Kabuto can heal, use chakra scapels, take his little vitamin pills...aaaand....that's it. No? Yeah. He's not beating someone like Neji just because of an unproven statement, and just because he fought against the weakest of the Sannin.

As for Oro vs Kisame, I'll assume they can both use everything they've shown. Excluding Oro's white snake form, which can only be used when he has no host body, and excluding his Hydra technique, since we've no idea what that does because Itachi pwned it.

Obviously, Kisame is stronger. I'd give him the advantage of taijutsu, especially with Samehada. Some would say that doesn't matter, since Oro can tank things like physical hits. Problem is, he's been shown to actually retreat from battle due to ONE hit from Tsunade, a weakened Tsunade at that. Kisame has shown some degree of good physical strength. I'm not saying he'd do what Tsunade did, but Oro would be a fool to allow himself to get dragged into a melee fight. Oro > Kisame with ninjutsu. I honestly think Kusanagi > Samehada in this fight, and Oro really just has too many tricks up his sleeves. He has Manda, and can potentially use Edo Tensei here. He has his gate defenses, should Kisame try and overwhelm him with some huge suiton attack. This just all goes in favor of Oro until Kisame shows more.

superninja
03-06-2009, 12:57 PM
Kisame vs Orochimaru

I don't know, there is too much speculation on how Kisame is strong. Kisame is a brute force type and Oro is sneaky and cunning so it all depends. They are two opposite personalities. So there are two opposite results : Kisame overpowers Orochimaru and humiliates him, or Orochimaru outmaneuvers Kisame and wins by controlling the fight.

A new fight: Kakashi, Yamato and Shikamaru vs sage mode Naruto

Kakashi, Yamato and Shika had some time to discuss general tactics but hadn't made a complete strategy (they will wait to see how SM Naruto fights). Naruto has two clones somewhere gathering natural energy and Naruto has a scroll to summon them so he can get into sage mode two more times. Naruto has no frog summons with him, but he can summon using his own chakra.

Nexus
03-06-2009, 01:54 PM
Orochimaru would defeat Kisame.

MikeyM1979
03-06-2009, 02:14 PM
SM Naruto stomps Kak/Yam/Shik. The only one who probably poses any threat, is that Hashirama ripoff. I mean, OOC, sure, Kakashi could probably surprise Naruto with a Kamui to the head, but things are never that simple.

superninja
03-06-2009, 03:20 PM
I am kinda hoping that Naruto won't be too smart in this one. Yamato is there to create wooden walls in front of Naruto, a labyrinth shield so that Kakashi, Shika and Yamato can hide. Then Naruto uses his rasengans to break them and in doing so tires himself.
Shika can try to capture him by using shadows from the walls to increase his range. If he can't then Shika uses his shadow to fight physically. Kakashi can send a suicide lightning clone at him. When Naruto pwns it, the clone explodes. If Naruto is hurt but has not disappeared, it means real Kakashi can use kamui on him coz its the real Naruto.
tada

Shrike
03-06-2009, 03:27 PM
With Edo Tensei, Orochimaru wins against Kisame easily.
Without it, he would probably loose, but Orochimaru is still slick. Not sure.
Kisame is a monster, sure. But so far, he wasn't tricky, and he did not show anything that can top Oro with Edo.

A few people actually can take on Orochimaru with Edo. If there wasn't for Sandaime, Konoha would be in the state it is now after Oro used Edo.
Nidame and Shodaime would just demolish the land, with no one able to seal them.

Kakashi, Yamato and Shikamaru vs sage mode Naruto...

Dunno, I'd give it to the team probably. In most of those 1 vs many fights in Naruto I will choose many.
Naruto isn't DB or Bleach. Multiple targets are a terrible handicap.
1 on 1, or even 2 on one Naruto stomps.

SM Naruto stomps Kak/Yam/Shik. The only one who probably poses any threat, is that Hashirama ripoff. I mean, OOC, sure, Kakashi could probably surprise Naruto with a Kamui to the head, but things are never that simple.

Yamato caught KN4 with his wood, so he can catch SM Naruto as well. And if he does, Kamui ends it all.
No need for even Shadow Mimic.

Ironclad
03-06-2009, 03:52 PM
Yamato caught KN4 with his wood.

Ahaha.

Behold, wooden dong-no-jutsu. Seriously though, Yamato can put up with serious stuff, he is a , if not the top ANBU. I think we might be underestimating him.

MikeyM1979
03-06-2009, 04:00 PM
Yamato caught KN4 with his woodYes, a target that stood still and didn't try to escape it. Yamato caught a still brainless monster.

so he can catch SM Naruto as well.Proof that Yamato can catch someone as fast as SM Naruto?

And if he does, Kamui ends it all.Assuming Kakashi fights OOC. IC, Kakashi would never do such a thing. It's never as simple as "One shot move GG".

No need for even Shadow Mimic.
Shadow Mimic would be useless. If CS2 Tayuya and Hidan displayed the ability to break free from Shikamaru's technique, what makes you think SM Naruto couldn't easily over power it?

Shrike
03-06-2009, 04:09 PM
Yes, a target that stood still and didn't try to escape it. Yamato caught a still brainless monster.

You aren't trying to say that the Kyuubi was willing to get captured, right? He didn't manage to escape.

Proof that Yamato can catch someone as fast as SM Naruto?

Not one.
Definitely can't while moving, but during fighting someone, or doing a RS, yes he obviously can.

Assuming Kakashi fights OOC. IC, Kakashi would never do such a thing. It's never as simple as "One shot move GG".

It's never as simple as one shot because Kishi writes fights to be fun.
Kakashi could have sniped God Realm's head, if he could have sniped a goddamn rocket, and he sure as hell can snipe Naruto if he is fighting Yamato, or is caught by Shika's shadow (no matter if he can overcome it, it is enough to last 2 seconds).

Shadow Mimic would be useless. If CS2 Tayuya and Hidan displayed the ability to break free from Shikamaru's technique, what makes you think SM Naruto couldn't easily over power it?

It wouldn't be.
He would eventually break out of it, but he would need a few moments. Hidan wasn't able to move, btw. He moved like, an inch by inch, even though Shika was not at full chakra.
Shika is smart enough to think of some tactics, and Kakashi is as well.

If Naruto engaged a Raiton Bunshin in taijutsu he would be as good as dead.

If Naruto fired a RS he would be caught by either Yamato or Shika.

Not one of them will just stand while the other is getting slaughtered.

superninja
03-06-2009, 06:24 PM
I just remembered that it's not a good idea to pit SM Naruto against other characters because of one fact: we don't know the damage threshold of sage mode Naruto. I mean, SM Naruto fell from some height to the ground and wasn't even scratched, also he was being beaten by Yahiko and said he barely felt it.
So I don't know how much damage should be done to his clones before they disappear.
But it would be stupid if he was invulnerable while in sage, still that's the way Kishimoto made it (f***** it up).

A new fight: Sasori vs Sakura (with two bottles of antidote) and Gai

popion
03-06-2009, 06:30 PM
A new fight: Sasori vs Sakura (with two bottles of antidote) and Gai
both dead in less than 30 seconds
sasori will overwhelm them
without suport sakura doesnt have the time to "learn" to fight sasori
gai, even if he is strong/fast, he will get scratches

Ironclad
03-06-2009, 06:31 PM
Gai wins.

Flawless victory.

Manly.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-06-2009, 08:02 PM
Gai wins.

Flawless victory.

Manly.

Alittle Kakashi head pops out, "Totsy!".


BOT: Why is SM naruto being used aginst mulitiple characters? Especialy a team of kakashi and Yamato. I guess somehow kakashi is no longer a great ninja since he couldnt even stop deva. However, naruto in SM didnt do any better than kakashi, right. Now, since we know deva is just the that poweful. We can say kakashi isnt that weak anymore.
end rant!

SM naruto vs Kakashi, yamato and shika?

Team effort! NAruto creates two kBs and attacks, meanwhile yamato uses his wood element to snag naruto and his Kbs body to slow them down and keep them from jumping. So, while narutos breaking out of yamatos wood vines "w/e those things are, lol" Shika can use his Shadow posession to capture the real naruto "the one in the middle obviously, lol". And then Kakashi uses all of his chakra to suck naruto into another demintion. So, narutos KBs poof and the fights over!

This is the qucikest scenario I could come up with because im alittle lazy tonight, lol.

poolangya
03-07-2009, 01:55 PM
oro vs kisame? all out, oro wins. edo tensei will pwn kisame. without edo tensei, oro can still dish out fair amounts of jutsus and counter jutsus against kisame. he is slick and would probably avoid engaging close combat with kisame who relies on brute force and his water attacks.

sm naruto vs kakashi,yamato and shika?if naruto will show his impressive usage of kagebunshin and his improvement in battle tactics. he will win. actually, simply trying to overwhelm the 3 in sage mode might do the trick. but the 3 are good tacticians, and will pose a serious threat if they will be able to catch the real naruto. i give this one to naruto.

sasori vs gai and sakura? sasori will bombard them with massive poison attacks and then watch them die slowly but surely. sasori takes this one.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-07-2009, 07:45 PM
oro vs kisame? all out, oro wins. edo tensei will pwn kisame. without edo tensei, oro can still dish out fair amounts of jutsus and counter jutsus against kisame. he is slick and would probably avoid engaging close combat with kisame who relies on brute force and his water attacks.

sm naruto vs kakashi,yamato and shika?if naruto will show his impressive usage of kagebunshin and his improvement in battle tactics. he will win. actually, simply trying to overwhelm the 3 in sage mode might do the trick. but the 3 are good tacticians, and will pose a serious threat if they will be able to catch the real naruto. i give this one to naruto.

sasori vs gai and sakura? sasori will bombard them with massive poison attacks and then watch them die slowly but surely. sasori takes this one.

I agree about everything but naruto vs kakashi, yamato and shika.

1. How is naruto so impressive with two KBs?

2. Your saying narutos mere improvement of battle tactics can compete against Yamatos and kakashis. I wont even mention shika because thats just rediculous.

Im just trying to make the point that these two things arent going to win a fight against kakashi, yamato and shika fighting together. the best chance naruto has is to spam super rasengans and FRS before yamato and shika catch him and allow kakashi to suck him into another demision.

Well, the more I think about it. We have yet to see how powerful kisame really is so Im not going to declare a winner till then.

poolangya
03-08-2009, 01:04 PM
since naruto's kb's are sage mode kb's,meaning super kb's he can attack the shika,yamato and kakashi, using only the kb's to generate a plan how to take on them one on one. his KB's will pose a serious threat now since it is in sage mode. and he can easily separate the 3. shikamaru being the easiest target once separated due to his lack in speed, while the KB's can distract the other 2 jounins. actually the 3 would most likely separate and not fight alongside each other since they all basically know the effect of FRS as it can expand. or maybe not, because they havent seen the throwable FRS. if naruto is as fast as i believe he is, yamato has no way to catch him with his trees, if shikamaru is not there. and kakashi wont be able to use his kamui on naruto as long as naruto doesn't charge straight head on with kakashi. you see naruto's improvement in battle tactics originate with his usage of kagebunshin at its full potential, which is to recon, and make him able to plan a strategy, but in sage mode, the reconnaisance kagebunshin can dish uber damage already, so the 3 will be wary of it,thus it won't be a 1 vs 3 fight but a 3vs3 fight. so i still think naruto will get this one.

superninja
03-08-2009, 01:49 PM
since naruto's kb's are sage mode kb's,meaning super kb's he can attack the shika,yamato and kakashi, using only the kb's to generate a plan how to take on them one on one. his KB's will pose a serious threat now since it is in sage mode. and he can easily separate the 3. shikamaru being the easiest target once separated due to his lack in speed, while the KB's can distract the other 2 jounins. actually the 3 would most likely separate and not fight alongside each other since they all basically know the effect of FRS as it can expand. or maybe not, because they havent seen the throwable FRS. if naruto is as fast as i believe he is, yamato has no way to catch him with his trees, if shikamaru is not there. and kakashi wont be able to use his kamui on naruto as long as naruto doesn't charge straight head on with kakashi. you see naruto's improvement in battle tactics originate with his usage of kagebunshin at its full potential, which is to recon, and make him able to plan a strategy, but in sage mode, the reconnaisance kagebunshin can dish uber damage already, so the 3 will be wary of it,thus it won't be a 1 vs 3 fight but a 3vs3 fight. so i still think naruto will get this one.

Yes, but Kakashi and Yamato can also make clones so it's 5vs3.
Shika, Yamato and Kakashi can all attack from afar. Naruto has one long range jutsu that takes him practically out of sage mode because it consumes a lot of chakra.
Rasenshuriken can be blocked if Yamato creates a wooden wall in front of its flying path. If Yamato blocks it near Naruto, then the jutsu will backfire at Naruto because rasenshuriken explodes.
Sage mode Naruto will not instant pwn them because sage mode Naruto is not that fast.
Yamato will create wooden walls as shields around the three and they will keep a certain distance between themselves, but not too far so they can back each other up.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-08-2009, 07:08 PM
since naruto's kb's are sage mode kb's,meaning super kb's he can attack the shika,yamato and kakashi, using only the kb's to generate a plan how to take on them one on one. his KB's will pose a serious threat now since it is in sage mode. and he can easily separate the 3. shikamaru being the easiest target once separated due to his lack in speed, while the KB's can distract the other 2 jounins. actually the 3 would most likely separate and not fight alongside each other since they all basically know the effect of FRS as it can expand. or maybe not, because they havent seen the throwable FRS. if naruto is as fast as i believe he is, yamato has no way to catch him with his trees, if shikamaru is not there. and kakashi wont be able to use his kamui on naruto as long as naruto doesn't charge straight head on with kakashi. you see naruto's improvement in battle tactics originate with his usage of kagebunshin at its full potential, which is to recon, and make him able to plan a strategy, but in sage mode, the reconnaisance kagebunshin can dish uber damage already, so the 3 will be wary of it,thus it won't be a 1 vs 3 fight but a 3vs3 fight. so i still think naruto will get this one.

Your way overestimating narutos speed. Not only that, yamato can use his wood to catch a fast opponent by catching them where they will be, not where they currently are "its been a long day and thats the best explanation I can give right now, lol". So, naruto can and most likely would be caught not only by yamatos wood, but by shikas shadpw posession as well. So, we have an immobile naruto which is easy pickens for kakashis kamui. Or, kakashi could use chidori which wouldnt end the fight, but could awaken the foxes chakra "serious injury seems to do that" thus ending SM and making naruto easy pickens for yamato.

poolangya
03-09-2009, 08:15 AM
maybe i am overestimating the speed of naruto in sage mode, but i only base my assumptions on the manga panels for sage mode naruto and 6 paths of pain fight. and in my opinion based on that, naruto is really darn fast.

3 vs 5 wont matter much. so yeah they can produce kagebunshins also, but i don't think these are as tough as the sage mode kagebunshins.

i believe i saw throwable rasenshuriken slicing mountains, and i believe mountains are tougher/ harder than any wood you will ever encounter in this world and naruto world, so even if yamato erects a wooden wall in front of naruto, FRS won't explode in front of him damaging himself.

the fight would mostly be shikamaru and yamato on the defensive, trying to lure and catch naruto, kakashi will play both offense and defense for the other 2. he will fight mid to long range, because if he closes in on naruto, he'll be crushed by frog katas.naruto will attack on all sides using his 2 kbs, and if he can manage to separate shikamaru, shika will go down, then yamato, kakashi will be the last to fall. sage mode naruto will win this.

superninja
03-09-2009, 10:01 AM
maybe i am overestimating the speed of naruto in sage mode, but i only base my assumptions on the manga panels for sage mode naruto and 6 paths of pain fight. and in my opinion based on that, naruto is really darn fast.

3 vs 5 wont matter much. so yeah they can produce kagebunshins also, but i don't think these are as tough as the sage mode kagebunshins.

i believe i saw throwable rasenshuriken slicing mountains, and i believe mountains are tougher/ harder than any wood you will ever encounter in this world and naruto world, so even if yamato erects a wooden wall in front of naruto, FRS won't explode in front of him damaging himself.

the fight would mostly be shikamaru and yamato on the defensive, trying to lure and catch naruto, kakashi will play both offense and defense for the other 2. he will fight mid to long range, because if he closes in on naruto, he'll be crushed by frog katas.naruto will attack on all sides using his 2 kbs, and if he can manage to separate shikamaru, shika will go down, then yamato, kakashi will be the last to fall. sage mode naruto will win this.

You are right, rasenshuriken would probably go through the wall. It explodes after some time it gets separated from Naruto not on impact I think.
You are saying Naruto would crush Kakashi with frog katas,that would only happen if Kakashi doesn't chidori through him first.
Frog katas is strong, but it doesn't give Naruto the immunity from a strong attack like chidori. Kakashi sends his lightning clone at Naruto to execute chidori on him, and if that clone succeeds it's good, and if it gets destroyed it will damage Naruto as well.
Also, even if Kakashi himself attacks Naruto close range, who is to say Kakashi wouldn't give the first and fatal hit with chidori. It's sharingan baby.

movalle
03-09-2009, 01:02 PM
Sasuke vs. Danzou
we don't know what danzou can do so it could be a good match but since sasuke has the sharingan it would lead him to victory.

Dagoro
03-09-2009, 01:06 PM
Sasuke vs. Danzou
we don't know what danzou can do so it could be a good match but since sasuke has the sharingan it would lead him to victory.

Danzou has lots of root anbu under his comand, he doesn't need to fight.

Danzou vs Sasuke

Sasuke wins of course. Danzou is an old fart. Took an ass drilling from Sarutobi and has been living in a dark little corner ever since. He has 0 feats, Sasuke has many. No competition at all.

Vengeance
03-09-2009, 01:46 PM
Sasuke vs. Danzou
Is this a joke? Unless Danzou states "I'm Uchiha Madara" He doesn't stand a chance even with his magic Anbu summoning whistle.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-09-2009, 09:59 PM
maybe i am overestimating the speed of naruto in sage mode, but i only base my assumptions on the manga panels for sage mode naruto and 6 paths of pain fight. and in my opinion based on that, naruto is really darn fast.The only time naruto did anyting fast was when he showed up on top of demon realm with a rasengan. However, naruto had plenty of time between his appearence on the frog and his attack on demon realm. Well, all we saw was a panel with narutos eyes, not him still on the frog. Not only that, if naruto was really that fast, he shouldve been running circles around pain, lol. However, naruto proved he was no quicker than HG when he was intercepted by HG while charging to attack. Naruto in SM gains an assload of strength, chakra, but not speed.


3 vs 5 wont matter much. so yeah they can produce kagebunshins also, but i don't think these are as tough as the sage mode kagebunshins.

i believe i saw throwable rasenshuriken slicing mountains, and i believe mountains are tougher/ harder than any wood you will ever encounter in this world and naruto world, so even if yamato erects a wooden wall in front of naruto, FRS won't explode in front of him damaging himself.

the fight would mostly be shikamaru and yamato on the defensive, trying to lure and catch naruto, kakashi will play both offense and defense for the other 2. he will fight mid to long range, because if he closes in on naruto, he'll be crushed by frog katas.naruto will attack on all sides using his 2 kbs, and if he can manage to separate shikamaru, shika will go down, then yamato, kakashi will be the last to fall. sage mode naruto will win this.as for the FRS, kakashis kamui can take care of that rather easily. It can suck it up while its flying towards them or after its alaredy went off. But that would use more chakra so ill stick to "while in flight".

now, SM naruto has super powered rasengans and super strenght. But, those two tactics can be countered by speed, traps and the sharingan. So, kakashi can use his SG to avoid narutos powerful attacks by anticipating and use his speed to counter. MeanWhile, yamato and shika use traps plus clones to draw naruto, KBs attacks, then capture them allowing kakashi to finish the job.


Sasuke vs. Danzou
we don't know what danzou can do so it could be a good match but since sasuke has the sharingan it would lead him to victory.

? Why just danzou? Why not root or Sai and danzou?

Vengeance
03-10-2009, 01:23 PM
New fight: Konohamaru (post) vs. Sasuke (pre-timeskip; forest of death before getting the curse seal.)

Reasoning for this matchup: Sasuke is put at a genin level to make it fair for Konohamaru's rank. After his speed training with Kakashi it was stated that Sasuke was already at the level of a chunin.

superninja
03-10-2009, 01:29 PM
New fight: Konohamaru (post) vs. Sasuke (pre-timeskip; forest of death before getting the curse seal.)

Sasuke wins this, Konohamaru knows rasengan and kage bunshins but Sasuke had sharingan back then and I think Sasuke wouldn't be fooled by Konohamaru.
The fight between Sasuke and Orochimaru in the forest of death was cool, lets see Konohamaru spar with Orochimaru from those days.
In short, Konohamaru wouldn't hit Sasuke with rasengan but Sasuke would burn konohamaru with the fire breath.

Vengeance
03-10-2009, 01:46 PM
Sasuke wins this, Konohamaru knows rasengan and kage bunshins but Sasuke had sharingan back then and I think Sasuke wouldn't be fooled by Konohamaru.
The fight between Sasuke and Orochimaru in the forest of death was cool, lets see Konohamaru spar with Orochimaru from those days.
In short, Konohamaru wouldn't hit Sasuke with rasengan but Sasuke would burn konohamaru with the fire breath.
I wouldn't completely count out Konohamaru in this one. Sasuke only had a 2 tomoe sharingan here. Sharingan can't tell the difference between a shadow clone & the real body. Sasuke's sharingan abilities would be limited to his line of sight here as well.

Konohamaru has the opportunity to ambush Sasuke when you consider the fact that he did it to hell realm 428-6 (http://onemanga.com/Naruto/428/06/). Hell has rinnigan eyes which were shown to have enhanced visual awareness as well 419-02 (http://onemanga.com/Naruto/419/02/). Konohamaru was also able to do a little hand to hand with Hell path 428-1 (http://onemanga.com/Naruto/428/01/).

Sasuke's fight with Orochimaru was more of a sparing match. Orochimaru could have killed Sasuke any time he wanted but instead decided to toy with him. In short Orochimaru could have done to Sasuke what Itachi did at any time(meaning pwn his arse in a second). Konohamaru was able to actually fight against an Akatsuki level threat that had every intention of killing him unlike Sasuke.

For these reasons & for the sake of laughter I'll say Konohamaru has a chance at winning depending on the location. Though we probably would need to see more of Konohamaru to be sure of this.


Edit: New Fight: Obito vs. Sasuke (Pre-timeskip; chunin exams Gaara fight)

Reasoning for this matchup: Obito was a 13 year old Chunin before death so we're going to use a 13 year old Sasuke who was said to be at chunin level.

superninja
03-10-2009, 02:32 PM
Konohamaru knows kage bunshin and rasengan, that is impressive.
Still, Orochimaru>Hell realm, Orochimaru is a much stronger opponent than just the Hell realm, but it's true Oro just wanted to play and Hell was serious. Konohamaru doesn't have the maneuvering capabilities Sasuke had, that is why I think Sasuke was a much stronger ninja all around (compared to Konohamaru now).


New Fight: Obito vs. Sasuke (Pre-timeskip; chunin exams Gaara fight)

Reasoning for this matchup: Obito was a 13 year old Chunin before death so we're going to use a 13 year old Sasuke who was said to be at chunin level.

Sasuke wins this, Obito became strong after activating the sharingan, but Sasuke at that time had sharingan, great speed and chidori.
Obito vs Sasuke from the forest of death is a better match up, Obito could win there.
I think,,,Obito's sharingan was stronger than Sasuke's because obito detected an invisible enemy with it http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/242/19/, also Obito could see the chakra flow http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/243/06/. I give the sharingan advantage to Obito.

Vengeance
03-10-2009, 05:09 PM
Konohamaru knows kage bunshin and rasengan, that is impressive.
Still, Orochimaru>Hell realm, Orochimaru is a much stronger opponent than just the Hell realm, but it's true Oro just wanted to play and Hell was serious. Konohamaru doesn't have the maneuvering capabilities Sasuke had, that is why I think Sasuke was a much stronger ninja all around (compared to Konohamaru now).
There is a huge difference between someone actually trying to kill you & someone who's just playing with you to test out your abilities. It realy doesn't matter if Orochimaru can beat Hell Realm. The fact his Hell Realm was beating the crap out of chunin & special jounin & was very much the killing type. In terms of skill level Obito fought with a jounin level shinobi. Nothing Sasuke has done up until that arc can compare to it.

Sasuke wins this, Obito became strong after activating the sharingan, but Sasuke at that time had sharingan, great speed and chidori.
Obito vs Sasuke from the forest of death is a better match up, Obito could win there.
I think,,,Obito's sharingan was stronger than Sasuke's because obito detected an invisible enemy with it http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/242/19/, also Obito could see the chakra flow http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/243/06/. I give the sharingan advantage to Obito.
Obito didn't do much besides look at stuff even after getting his Sharingan. In terms of fighting ability Sasuke was more impressive then Obito when he first left the academy. Obito's sharingan was not stronger then Sasukes. Sasuke activated Sharingan at the age of 7 & gained a 3 tomoe Sharingan at the age of 13 while Obito only gained a 2 tomoe Sharingan at the age 13 right before he died. Both examples of Sharingan that you're giving relate back to seeing chakra which is a basic ability of the sharingan itself.

superninja
03-10-2009, 05:26 PM
Obito didn't do much besides look at stuff even after getting his Sharingan. In terms of fighting ability Sasuke was more impressive then Obito when he first left the academy. Obito's sharingan was not stronger then Sasukes. Sasuke activated Sharingan at the age of 7 & gained a 3 tomoe Sharingan at the age of 13 while Obito only gained a 2 tomoe Sharingan at the age 13 right before he died. Both examples of Sharingan that you're giving relate back to seeing chakra which is a basic ability of the sharingan itself.

You are correct about Obito seeing the chakra was crucial for him finding the invisible man. The invisible ninja became invisible by surrounding himself with chakra that camouflaged him (my theory). But Obito saw the chakra in different colors so it was easy for him to find him.

But, Obito saw the flow of chakra in Rin, something that I only saw Byakugan do. When has Sasuke seen the flow of chakra inside the body? With two tomoe sharingan?

Vengeance
03-10-2009, 05:33 PM
You are correct about Obito seeing the chakra was crucial for him finding the invisible man. The invisible ninja became invisible by surrounding himself with chakra that camouflaged him (my theory). But Obito saw the chakra in different colors so it was easy for him to find him.

But, Obito saw the flow of chakra in Rin, something that I only saw Byakugan do. When has Sasuke seen the flow of chakra inside the body? With two tomoe sharingan?
Well if you can see chakra & it moves you'll notice that movement wouldn't you? Chakra flow would be chakra that is moving inside the body am I right? If seeing chakra is a basic ability of sharingan (Sasuke was able to reveal genjutsu clones in the forest of death which means he could indeed see chakra) then you'll also notice chakra flow because it's chakra that is moving.

superninja
03-10-2009, 05:49 PM
Well if you can see chakra & it moves you'll notice that movement wouldn't you? Chakra flow would be chakra that is moving inside the body am I right? If seeing chakra is a basic ability of sharingan (Sasuke was able to reveal genjutsu clones in the forest of death which means he could indeed see chakra) then you'll also notice chakra flow because it's chakra that is moving.

That is a great answer and it is logical, but you know that Sasuke was never shown to be able to see the chakra flow inside the body.
He did see the chakra outside, that would mean he can see the chakra that is concentrated to the point it forms a jutsu, but not the chakra that flows inside the body.

HinataFanX
03-11-2009, 11:57 AM
Just a note: Only shadow clones are clones with a chakra circulatory system. The other clones, such as the ones in the forest of death, just have a lower level of chakra spread through them. This is the reason shadow clones are the only clones Byakugan can't differentiate from the original.

superninja
03-12-2009, 08:04 PM
There are only a few characters that have gone all out in their fights, usually before they died, so next fight: Deidara vs Sasori

Dagoro
03-12-2009, 08:16 PM
Deidara takes it. He has the range advantage since he can attack while airborne and he has the power advantage due to all his attacks being large scale explosions and mass bombings.

Sasori is very powerful and a great long-range fighter as well, however Deidara can attack from even longer range and with a bigger punch.


PS: I know that Deidara said Sasori was stronger than he is, however if you evaluate their skills its quite clear Deidara is a bad mach up for a Puppet master like Sasori due to his ability to apply ridiculous pressure with his explosives on his opponent.

superninja
03-12-2009, 09:34 PM
Yeah, Deidara has the advantage over him. Sasori only has a chance if the arena is a small space like a cave or something otherwise Deidara just bombs him from afar. Sasori's only defense to Deidara is the kazekage puppet that can manipulate the iron sand and maybe create iron walls like what Gara did with his regular sand.
But if Deidara destroys that puppet then Deidara wins because Sasori can't block the explosions and he can't run away.

Dagoro
03-12-2009, 09:51 PM
Deidara is one of the worst opponets for Sasori.

A. He fights with Air-to-surface explosives.
B. All his attacks have a lot of splash dmg.
C. He is hard to reach.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-12-2009, 10:58 PM
There are only a few characters that have gone all out in their fights, usually before they died, so next fight: Deidara vs Sasori

Well, diedara knew sasori was supirior even with all his abilities. Plus C4 wont work "sasori doesnt brethe" C3 and C2 shouldnt be able to do much damage to kazekage puppets Iron sand which can be used as offense or defense. As for diedaras ability to stay at long range, well, thats diedeis only advantage. However, deidei has to find a way aound iron sand plus a hundred other puppets, but sasori only has to scratch deidei.

Sasori wins this one IMO.

poolangya
03-13-2009, 09:46 AM
small arena with roof -> sasori will win.
large arena w/out roofing -> deidara has bigger chance to win.


deidara's biggest flaw will be taken advantage of greatly by sasori. sasori can throw tons of attacks while deidara's preparation time for his jutsu's is way too long. Even if dei has the advantage of distance, i think sasori's puppets can cover it in no time. sasori has the upperhand in this fight.

MikeyM1979
03-13-2009, 04:57 PM
Deidara vs Sasori? Interesting. I can't see the Fourth Kazekage giving Deidara much pressure, and I doubt Sasori's 100 puppets will do much to someone who can create AoE (area of effect) bombs. Sasoris' only real way of killing Deidara is using his real body and somehow poisoning him. Deidara doesn't need to use C0/C4, because, as mentioned before, he doesn't breathe. But his other bombs will be more than useful.

Nexus
03-13-2009, 05:04 PM
Based on what we've seen, Deidara would defeat Sasori, but based off Deidara's words about who's stronger, than it'll be Sasori.

MikeyM1979
03-13-2009, 05:06 PM
Based on what we've seen, Deidara would defeat Sasori, but based off Deidara's words about who's stronger, than it'll be Sasori.The problem is, being stronger than someone doesn't automatically mean they'd win. :p Tsunade is stronger than Kakashi, but he would beat her. And honestly, I think Deidara just said that to be respectful towards Sasori in some way. Statements like that don't always hold truth, especially after what's been shown. Actions contradict statements, in this case.

Dagoro
03-13-2009, 05:08 PM
It all depends on the battle location. In an enclosed location Sasori would most likely take it, however out in the open and he is nothing but a bullseye for Deidara and his explosives.

MikeyM1979
03-13-2009, 05:10 PM
True. The battle location could make a huge difference. Then again, what's stopping Deidara from bombing his way out of the enclosed area? :p He's a smart ninja, and I'm almost positive he knows what Sasori is capable. He really would need the space, as Deidara is in no way, shape, or form, a close quarter combat fighter.

jtc0514
03-13-2009, 05:32 PM
OMG! I just read it! OMG 8/9 tails!!!! I NEVER saw that coming and then the fourth coming out of no where to save the day. OMG i need to read that again.:0!!!!!

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-13-2009, 10:21 PM
I still think sasori has this one. I mean even if diedei was able to find a way around the kazekages iron sand, sasori can move his life cylinder at will. So, deidei needs alot of time to attack and for a strategy around sasoris iron sand and then will have to find a way to attack the life cylinder if he can even find it. Meanwhile, sasori only needs a moment to scratch deidei to end the fight.

Also, I dont think deidaras reference about sasori being stronger had anything to do with physical strength. Saying the opponent is stronger usaully means strength as a shinobi IMO. Also, For the simple reason sasori shouldnt even be that strong physicaly being a puppet with no muscles, lol.

MikeyM1979
03-14-2009, 10:22 AM
I still think sasori has this one. I mean even if diedei was able to find a way around the kazekages iron sandEven if? Deidara is an airborne ninja. That's the worse kind against the Kazekage puppet. Deidara has been shown to have great evasive skills, both on ground and in the air. Nothing that puppet has is going to strike down Deidara, at least not while in the air.

sasori can move his life cylinder at will.Yes. Assuming there are even any puppets left on the battlefield, after having been bombarded.

So, deidei needs alot of time to attack and for a strategy around sasoris iron sandWhy would he need a lot of time to attack and strategy against Iron Sand? He can fly, and he can evade. 'Nuff said.

and then will have to find a way to attack the life cylinder if he can even find it.Sasori will have no choice but to have that aspect of him revealed. Deidara is a large scale long range fighter. Sasori's puppets are fodder in this fight. Without those puppets, Sasori switching bodies ain't happenin'. He'll have no choice but to continue relying on his own body.

Meanwhile, sasori only needs a moment to scratch deidei to end the fight.This is quite true. Also assuming Sasori or one of his puppets/weapons hits the real Deidara, and not a clay bunshin....and assuming Deidara doesn't, you know, dodge.

Also, I dont think deidaras reference about sasori being stronger had anything to do with physical strength. Saying the opponent is stronger usaully means strength as a shinobi IMO.Problem is, again, what's been shown implies that Deidara > Sasori. In my book, actions speak WAY louder than words.

Also, For the simple reason sasori shouldnt even be that strong physicaly being a puppet with no muscles, lol.I suppose. Still, none of that takes away from the fact that based on what's been shown, which should ALWAYS be placed ahead of general, unproven statements, is totally true.

Dagoro
03-14-2009, 02:48 PM
New challenge.

Taka Sasuke takes konoha gauntlet.
conditions:He gets to rest and recharge to 100% after each fight.
restrictions: none. All nin can use all the abilities they have shown so far.

1. Taka Sasuke Vs Team 8 ( kiba, shino and Hinata )
Location: Aka hideout ( Gaara arc ) mid-close combat.

2. Taka Sasuke vs Team 10 ( Shika, chouji and ino )
Location: Where the battle with Kidan and Kazuzo ( round 2 ) took place

3. Taka Sasuke vs Team Gai ( Neji, Lee and Tenten. No Gai )
Location: Where Team Gai fought Kisame.

popion
03-14-2009, 03:24 PM
ok this is not quite ok (cuz we havent seen what the rokies can do now) but:

1. Taka Sasuke Vs Team 8 ( kiba, shino and Hinata )
Location: Aka hideout ( Gaara arc ) mid-close combat.
kiba goes in double headed wolf state and rapes sasgay. amaterasu, kirin cant do shit against garoga(not gatsuga, garoga!!!). any genjutsu useless as they are a team
2. Taka Sasuke vs Team 10 ( Shika, chouji and ino )
Location: Where the battle with Kidan and Kazuzo ( round 2 ) took place
sasgay takes this. shika is almost useless as sasgay has sharingan + kirin and maybe some genjutsu. choji might score a hit in supermultisize but sasgay is fast + he has amaterasu. ino=paperw8
3. Taka Sasuke vs Team Gai ( Neji, Lee and Tenten. No Gai )
Location: Where Team Gai fought Kisame.
gated lee will rape sasgay. even with sharingan he wont keep up with him. neji can kaiten anything sasgay trows at him. tenten=maybe meattank

MikeyM1979
03-14-2009, 04:26 PM
New challenge.

Taka Sasuke takes konoha gauntlet.
conditions:He gets to rest and recharge to 100% after each fight.
restrictions: none. All nin can use all the abilities they have shown so far.

1. Taka Sasuke Vs Team 8 ( kiba, shino and Hinata )
Location: Aka hideout ( Gaara arc ) mid-close combat.

2. Taka Sasuke vs Team 10 ( Shika, chouji and ino )
Location: Where the battle with Kidan and Kazuzo ( round 2 ) took place

3. Taka Sasuke vs Team Gai ( Neji, Lee and Tenten. No Gai )
Location: Where Team Gai fought Kisame.
Sasuke rapes Team 8, heal, move on.
Sasuke moderately rapes Team 10, with the most resistance most likely coming from Shikamaru and Chouji. Erm, Sasuke better hope Chouji doesn't resort to pills. Either way, I do see Sasuke winning. But pills could spell trouble.

Now we get to the real fight. Sasuke vs Gai, Lee, and Neji. I honestly think Team Gai wins. Sasuke lost his hax from CS and Oro, so, he's truly in his base form. No boosts or anything. His saving grace is still his speed, raitons, and Sharingan/MS. No one on the right side knows Sasuke has Amat, though. Nor have they seen what he can do now. I think Nagashi will really come in handy here, since all three are taijutsu users. But, can he keep that up very often? I can't even see him capitalizing on using Nagashi, since once he paralyzes one of them and goes in for the kill, someone else will block him, and he'll have to start all over again. He'd be smart to use his Sharingan genjutsu. At least on Lee, and knock him out of the scenario. I also think Sasuke > Neji, as long as Sasuke avoids close quarter combat. That, or he SERIOUSLY needs to use his speed and Sharingan to avoid any strikes from Neji. As for Gai....if this were Orosuke, I'd say Gai gets raped. But this is MSasuke, Gai really outclasses him here. I don't think even genjutsu will save Sasuke against him.

popion
03-14-2009, 04:39 PM
Sasuke rapes Team 8, heal, move on.
Sasuke moderately rapes Team 10, with the most resistance most likely coming from Shikamaru and Chouji. Erm, Sasuke better hope Chouji doesn't resort to pills. Either way, I do see Sasuke winning. But pills could spell trouble.

Now we get to the real fight. Sasuke vs Gai, Lee, and Neji. I honestly think Team Gai wins. Sasuke lost his hax from CS and Oro, so, he's truly in his base form. No boosts or anything. His saving grace is still his speed, raitons, and Sharingan/MS. No one on the right side knows Sasuke has Amat, though. Nor have they seen what he can do now. I think Nagashi will really come in handy here, since all three are taijutsu users. But, can he keep that up very often? I can't even see him capitalizing on using Nagashi, since once he paralyzes one of them and goes in for the kill, someone else will block him, and he'll have to start all over again. He'd be smart to use his Sharingan genjutsu. At least on Lee, and knock him out of the scenario. I also think Sasuke > Neji, as long as Sasuke avoids close quarter combat. That, or he SERIOUSLY needs to use his speed and Sharingan to avoid any strikes from Neji. As for Gai....if this were Orosuke, I'd say Gai gets raped. But this is MSasuke, Gai really outclasses him here. I don't think even genjutsu will save Sasuke against him.
no gai

also garouga made a dent in rasemount
i dont think that sasgay can avoid/tank it. he is fast, but once marked by akamaru only PnJ would save him.
sasgay is not a dmg absorber like tsunade/kabuto/sakura. if he gets hit seriously he is down

i dont think that sasgay can catch lee in genjutsu during the fight. maybe at the very start of the fight but lee has suport.

MikeyM1979
03-14-2009, 04:53 PM
no gaiOh lol. Well, never mind then.

also garouga made a dent in rasemountUm, isn't that the same technique Kiba used against Tobi? Who uh, side stepped it? xD C'mon, you really need to go back and read the manga if you believe that shit move is going to hit Sasuke.

i dont think that sasgay can avoid/tank it.Why would he tank it when he can avoid it altogether? He can avoid it.

he is fast, but once marked by akamaru only PnJ would save him.You make it sound as though being peed on by a dog would spell insta-death for Sasuke or anyone. xD No, just no.

sasgay is not a dmg absorber like tsunade/kabuto/sakura. if he gets hit seriously he is downI never claimed him to be the tanking type. But again, why would he, when he's more than fast enough to evade such a fodder technique?

i dont think that sasgay can catch lee in genjutsu during the fight.Really? Why not? One instance of eye contact is all it takes. And there's no evidence leading us to believe that Lee knows how to fight a skilled Sharingan user without making eventual eye contact. Lee =\= Gai. Lee is a close quarter fighter. Unless Lee automatically begins the fight with gates open (which is highly OOC, by the way), Sasuke still has plenty of chance to use genjutsu on Lee.

maybe at the very start of the fight but lee has suport.Neji is more dangerous here than base Lee, and Tenten....lol. Anyway, now that Gai isn't even in the picture, Sasuke may have a chance at winning this fight. Assuming Sasuke fights smart, and not the inconsistent way he fought against KB. If Sasuke can take out Lee (which he does have the ability to do, since Lee never uses gates right at the beginning, and only actually uses it if Gai himself gives him permission to do) before he busts out gates, then this fight goes to Sasuke. At the same time, Sasuke needs to avoid physical contact with Neji. I know Neji can put the pressure on with taijutsu. Sasuke would be smart in cornering Lee somehow, trapping him in genjutsu, and going for the kill. Lee, when gated, is the deciding factor here. The question is, can Sasuke finish base Lee off before he has any reason to open gates.

popion
03-14-2009, 05:05 PM
Oh lol. Well, never mind then.

Um, isn't that the same technique Kiba used against Tobi? Who uh, side stepped it? xD C'mon, you really need to go back and read the manga if you believe that shit move is going to hit Sasuke.

no, this one:http://www.onemanga.com/naruto/203/18-19/

Why would he tank it when he can avoid it altogether? He can avoid it.
You make it sound as though being peed on by a dog would spell insta-death for Sasuke or anyone. xD No, just no.

leafninja:
Garouga is one of the ultimate Taijutsu techniques of the Inuzuka Clan. The technique is a super-spin and it uses up a massive amount of chakra, rendering the ninja and his dog almost helpless should the technique fail.

The clan member familiar will first mark their target with the Dainamikku Maakingu technique. Then by using Inuzuka Ryuu Chinjuu Konbi Henge, the clan member and his partner will transform into the Soutou Rou, "Two-Headed Wolf." This huge beast has several advantages, the saliva it emits will make it difficult for their opponent to find footing in the surrounding area (LOL). The large size of the beast also causes large amounts of penetrating damage when it begins its spin. Unfortunately they spin so fast they are unable to keep track of their vision. So they must entirely rely on their nose and the urine marking. If Garouga connects with the target, the opponent is ripped to pieces. Also even if they do not connect directly, the surrounding shockwaves will slice into the enemy.I never claimed him to be the tanking type. But again, why would he, when he's more than fast enough to evade such a fodder technique?

Really? Why not? One instance of eye contact is all it takes. And there's no evidence leading us to believe that Lee knows how to fight a skilled Sharingan user without making eventual eye contact. Lee =\= Gai. Lee is a close quarter fighter. Unless Lee automatically begins the fight with gates open (which is highly OOC, by the way), Sasuke still has plenty of chance to use genjutsu on Lee.

Neji is more dangerous here than base Lee, and Tenten....lol. Anyway, now that Gai isn't even in the picture, Sasuke may have a chance at winning this fight. Assuming Sasuke fights smart, and not the inconsistent way he fought against KB. If Sasuke can take out Lee (which he does have the ability to do, since Lee never uses gates right at the beginning, and only actually uses it if Gai himself gives him permission to do) before he busts out gates, then this fight goes to Sasuke. At the same time, Sasuke needs to avoid physical contact with Neji. I know Neji can put the pressure on with taijutsu. Sasuke would be smart in cornering Lee somehow, trapping him in genjutsu, and going for the kill. Lee, when gated, is the deciding factor here. The question is, can Sasuke finish base Lee off before he has any reason to open gates.
hey cmon
lee is not alone
that alone makes genjutsu almost useless
leafninja
To combat the effects of Genjutsu, there are two options. The first option is for the ninja to stop the flow of chakra in their body, and then apply an even stronger power to disrupt the flow of the casters chakra. The second option is to have an outside ninja unaffected by the Genjutsu make body contact, and use their chakra to disrupt the casters flow.

MikeyM1979
03-14-2009, 05:09 PM
Oh right, because a simply shunshin wouldn't suffice and get Sasuke out of the way. o_O C'mon, you're seriously underestimating Sasuke if you think Kiba can strike Sasuke with that.

As for genjutsu being useless, prove that Lee, Tenten, and Neji all know what Chiyo, Sakura, and Kakashi know, as far as dispelling genjutsu on someone else goes.

popion
03-14-2009, 05:15 PM
Oh right, because a simply shunshin wouldn't suffice and get Sasuke out of the way. o_O C'mon, you're seriously underestimating Sasuke if you think Kiba can strike Sasuke with that.

As for genjutsu being useless, prove that Lee, Tenten, and Neji all know what Chiyo, Sakura, and Kakashi know, as far as dispelling genjutsu on someone else goes.
its mid to close combat
where to run
+ that friging saliva (lol again)
and why not strike him
kiba hit sakon/ukon while they where in CS2

agree on the genjutsu thingie but i dont think neji will just sit and watch as lee gets his brain fuktup by sasgay.
lol even tenten can annoy sasgay enough to stop the genjutsu

MikeyM1979
03-14-2009, 05:17 PM
To combat the effects of Genjutsu, there are two options. The first option is for the ninja to stop the flow of chakra in their body, and then apply an even stronger power to disrupt the flow of the casters chakra. The second option is to have an outside ninja unaffected by the Genjutsu make body contact, and use their chakra to disrupt the casters flow.

1) Not everything LN says is fact. Manga & Databooks > LN, as far as information goes.
2) Prove that Lee knows that opening gates would get him out of genjutsu.
3) Prove that Neji and Lee know that inserting their chakra into Lee would get him out of genjutsu.

All three have never been shown dealing with someone who's used genjutsu against them. So how would they know?

MikeyM1979
03-14-2009, 05:20 PM
its mid to close combat
where to run
+ that friging saliva (lol again)
and why not strike him
kiba hit sakon/ukon while they where in CS2Why? Because MSasuke > Sakon/Ukon? Sasuke has had more, and better speed feats than Sakon/Ukon.

agree on the genjutsu thingie but i dont think neji will just sit and watch as lee gets his brain fuktup by sasgay.How would he have a choice? Like I said, eye contact is all it takes. A split second. Neji wouldn't know that Lee is in genjutsu until it's too late.

lol even tenten can annoy sasgay enough to stop the genjutsuYou make it sound as though genjutsu is some energy beam that heads towards someone. :p She's not doing anything to stop Lee or anyone else from being trapped in genjutsu. In fact, I'd wager she's the first one to die.

popion
03-14-2009, 05:39 PM
hey
yeah sasgay is better than sakon/ukon, but they got hit in CS2(speed and stuff) cuz they couldnt move right (sliped on saliva) http://www.onemanga.com/naruto/203/18-19/ (4th pannel) (http://www.onemanga.com/naruto/203/18-19/)

as for genjutsu. you get cought in a split second if you have eye contact.
speculation time:
lee is gai's pupil. gai must have explained him how he fights against kakashi/sharingan (look at the feets thingie)
as for the efects of the life gate, lee either got info from gai, either observed them by himself .
and genjutsu. you dont just push the start button and w8. you control the chakra in the target's brain to cause dmg. i dont think that you do this while neji prepares to use hakke on you.
tenten, yeah as i said earlyer = paperw8 but she can buy time for the others

1) Not everything LN says is fact. Manga & Databooks > LN, as far as information goes.
so here ln info is not that important like in ure fc ?

superninja
03-14-2009, 09:49 PM
New challenge.

Taka Sasuke takes konoha gauntlet.
conditions:He gets to rest and recharge to 100% after each fight.
restrictions: none. All nin can use all the abilities they have shown so far.

1. Taka Sasuke Vs Team 8 ( kiba, shino and Hinata )
Location: Aka hideout ( Gaara arc ) mid-close combat.

2. Taka Sasuke vs Team 10 ( Shika, chouji and ino )
Location: Where the battle with Kidan and Kazuzo ( round 2 ) took place

3. Taka Sasuke vs Team Gai ( Neji, Lee and Tenten. No Gai )
Location: Where Team Gai fought Kisame.

Is Taka Sasuke the present Sasuke with the mangekyou sharingan? I'll guess yes judging from the replies.

Now, Sasuke can't use the classic genjutsu on the teams because there are multiple opponents. But tsukuyomi (mangekyou sharingan illusion that made Kakashi suffer for two virtual days) is instantaneous. So he can hit someone with that.
This is just for fun:

1. Sasuke tries to hit the three of them with long range chidori, fire breath, if they get separated in the process he goes close range with his sword on them. He uses amateratsu and tsukuyomi if he is sure he has the lock on. Hinata gets raped in tsukuyomi by Sasuke for two full days, Kiba and Akamaru - cruelty towards animals, Sasuke either stabs them or burns them with amateratsu if they go big. Shino is the most dangerous, while Sasuke did all that Shino placed bugs all around the arena, bugs swarm Sasuke. But Sasuke emits lightning from his whole body and burns the bugs. You said the battle is in the cave, Sasuke is already tired so he uses the fire to burn the bugs and to open a hole in the wall, Sasuke tries to escape. But Shino put bugs outside the cave as well, bugs swarm in through the hole Sasuke opened - Sasuke is out of chakra, Sasuke loses for underestimating Shino. Shino wins.

2. Shikamaru knows they can't win exchanging blows with Sasuke, plus they don't know anything about him. Chouji enlarge, Shikamaru's shadow increases range, Shikamaru attacks with the shadow, the only way to defend from Sasuke is to attack him. Ino stays back, her assignment is to use the mind switch on the exact couple of locations Shikamaru told her to. (When Shikamaru screams: Ino first! - she uses the mind switch aiming for the first location, when Shikamaru screams:"second", on second location and so on.)She doesn't aim for Sasuke because Sasuke is fast, she aims at the location which Shikamaru predicted for Sasuke to be. Anyway, Shikamaru spreads his shadow in different directions like an octopus, but Sasuke stabs from afar with the long range chidori, Chouji is hit, Sasuke cuts through Chouji. Shikamaru and Ino get away from the chidori beam, Shikamaru's shadow gets to Sasuke, but Sasuke evades, Shikamaru tells Ino the location (Ino is behind Shikamaru, so she orients by his hand signals or something), Ino uses the mind switch while Sasuke is still in the air. But she misses. Ino's body is left mindless on the ground. Sasuke uses the fireball on her. But Shikamaru uses the shadow possession on Ino, so he gets her out of the fire (it's, like, he jumped away from her, so she jumped away from him, they evaded the fire ball). Sasuke comes close range to Shikamaru, Shika caught him with his shadow. Amateratsu. There is only one thing Shikamaru can do - Shikamaru keeps the shadow on Sasuke, Shika closes the distance between them and embraces Sasuke -they will both burn. "this is for Chouji". But that was just a Sasuke clone. Sasuke wins.

3. Neji, Lee and Tenten. The location is in the open so Neji's byakugan needs some advantage over Sasuke's sharingan. Tenten - time to use some smoke bombs. Smoke bombs and regular bombs should put some dust in the air so Sasuke can't use his sharingan so good. Sasuke: "so you are trying to hinder my sight?" Neji can see behind it, Neji: "follow me Lee, I go first!" Neji closes in on Sasuke but Sasuke can see the fluid movement of the smoke with sharingan and judging by the disturbance in the smoke Sasuke knows someone is coming. Long range chidori, Sasuke makes a circle with a chidori beam, of course Neji saw that an dodged. Lee evaded by jumping really high, he heard it coming. Sasuke jumps out of the smoke and bombards the area with fire. Tenten uses that opportunity to throw shurikens at Sasuke. Sasuke deflects those with his sword. Neji uses the rotation and deflects the fire. Lee was in the air at the time. Neji jumps towards Sasuke while Sasuke is falling down, to execute the gentle fist on him - in air. Sasuke tries to cut him with his sword but Neji just hits him on his sword holding hand with a chakra blast, taijutsu in air, then they fall down to the ground and fight some more. Lee storms in (he put his weights down)
and helps Neji beat Sasuke. Sasuke loses.

Dagoro
03-14-2009, 11:46 PM
My 2 cents

1. Taka Sasuke VS Team 8

Kiba & Hinata = the suck. They pose no threat at all. Shino blows less but Sasuke has the advantage over everything compared to him so he goes down pretty fast too. Sasuke rapes.

2. Taka Sasuke vs Team 10

Ino dies fairly easy since she is so freaking terrible, but lets say she hides lol. Shika had trouble catching Hidan with Kage mane, Sasuke is much faster so that just ain't happening. Chouji is strong but freaking slow, Sasuke can blitz him since the gap is so big when it comes to speed. Shika won't fair any better, Sasuke has long range jutsu so he has the advantage. Sasuke takes this one too.

3. Taka Sasuke vs Team Gai

This is the only match that would require use of Sharingan really. Heavily taijutsu so hooray Chidori Nagashi. So Sasuke can end this quickly with genjutsu against lee who can't use anything other than Taijutsu. Neji lost to kn0 Naruto, need i say more ?? tenten = super fodder she might as well run away while her team mates fight. Sasuke out classes them on everything but taijutsu so Sasuke wins.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-15-2009, 12:33 AM
New challenge.

Taka Sasuke takes konoha gauntlet.
conditions:He gets to rest and recharge to 100% after each fight.
restrictions: none. All nin can use all the abilities they have shown so far.

1. Taka Sasuke Vs Team 8 ( kiba, shino and Hinata )
Location: Aka hideout ( Gaara arc ) mid-close combat.

2. Taka Sasuke vs Team 10 ( Shika, chouji and ino )
Location: Where the battle with Kidan and Kazuzo ( round 2 ) took place

3. Taka Sasuke vs Team Gai ( Neji, Lee and Tenten. No Gai )
Location: Where Team Gai fought Kisame.

Ok, Team 8 goes down without much problem, team 10 is alittle more dnagerous IMO and goes down after a decent fight. Now, the real challenge. Team Gai with Tentens long range attacks, Lees speed and Nejis gentle fist skills equals stay on gaurd or else, lol.

Sasuke win theory#1. Sasuke simply takes Lee under control, has him KO ten ten and then after Neji manages to KO lee, hes caught with Amaterasu, Fight over.

#2. Team Gai Immediatly go on the attack using a combo Like the one they used against Kisame. However, sasuke can use his SG to simply anticipate and aviod the attack. Now, sasukes gatherd some info on the unknown ten ten and neji. Next, sasuke throws some Kunai at Lee, neji and Ten ten and gathers info on their defense all while Hes using his SG to avoid team Gais attacks. SO, with battle info on Team Gais Offense and defense, sasuke can create a strategy for Victory. Now, with the startegy made, its time to apply it. Sasuke Immediatly fires off a Kanton jutsu to split team gai up "1, Neji deflects it with rotation or they just aviod the blast seperately" Either way, with Neji distracted, all split apart, sasuke is going to attack the slowest/weakest member of the team ten ten.

Now, with ten ten gone Neji and Lee get serious. So, Neji charges trying to get close enough to use Juuken, meanwhile, Lee is pissed and releasing some gates "lets say 5". So, with 360 degrees of vision, Neji will see Lee getting ready to attack and moves out of the way allowing a one on one scufflew between sasuke and gated lee. However, thats what sasuke wants "part of plan" so as Lee charges with blinding speed, Sasuke can use his SG to read Lees movement and then hit him with tsukuyomi before he makes contact "just like he did against three tail KB in their fighthttp://onemanga.com/Naruto/413/08/" And after a couple days in tsukuyomi= 1 momnet in the real world, Lees down and out. So, now its Neji vs sasuke.

To start off, Sasuke tries to use his speed to feint attack and then catch Neji from behind, butit fails thanks to Nejis byakugan. So, now sasuke tries his KB shurikan attack, but neji uses his rotation to stop that. So, after seeing nejis ultimate defense, sasuke applies a new strategy. First sasuke attacks with another Kanton forcing a rotation out of neji, However, just as Neji begins to stop, sasuke throws an explosive kunai causing overhead rocks to bombard neji thus forcing him to keep using rotation so hes not crushed and sasuke reapeats this until neji is low on chakra causing his Rotation to fail thus hes pinned under rocky debree.

Now, with neji pinned and almost out of chakra. He cant use any jutsu to break out so sasuke takes advantage by finding the thinest layer of rocks, using his SG to locate exactly were Neji is "as if he didnt see where he fell after Nejis rotation failed" and then use his chidori extention jutsu to pierce the rocks along with Neji KOing him, not killing him because sasuke doesnt do that.

Sasuke wins!

popion
03-15-2009, 02:05 AM
jessus!
in close to mid range fighting sasgay is so awsome he can avoid/amaterasu kiba's ass whyle kiba is spinning at a speed so great that eyesight cant be used to track oponent anymore.
sakon, the most powerfull of the sound 4, while in cs stage 2 got hit by garouga but uberawsome sasgay can avoid this MIDRANGE AOE JUTSU in a close to mid range fight by a short side dash.
great.


amaterasu is not instant. it demands a litle prep time to focus eyesight on target and to start it. it works if kiba is gonna have a chitchat with you while in twin headed wolf form.


also shino is useless vs sasgay. sharingan can see chakra as color. and, even if small, his bugs cant get pass cuz of sharingan's uberperception.

superninja
03-15-2009, 07:21 AM
jessus!
in close to mid range fighting sasgay is so awsome he can avoid/amaterasu kiba's ass whyle kiba is spinning at a speed so great that eyesight cant be used to track oponent anymore.
sakon, the most powerfull of the sound 4, while in cs stage 2 got hit by garouga but uberawsome sasgay can avoid this MIDRANGE AOE JUTSU in a close to mid range fight by a short side dash.
great.


amaterasu is not instant. it demands a litle prep time to focus eyesight on target and to start it. it works if kiba is gonna have a chitchat with you while in twin headed wolf form.


also shino is useless vs sasgay. sharingan can see chakra as color. and, even if small, his bugs cant get pass cuz of sharingan's uberperception.

True, twin headed wolf form is strong, plus if Sasuke sets them on fire, they might still charge at him and set Sasuke on fire so amateratsu might backfire at Sasuke.

superninja
03-15-2009, 07:25 AM
Now, with ten ten gone Neji and Lee get serious. So, Neji charges trying to get close enough to use Juuken, meanwhile, Lee is pissed and releasing some gates "lets say 5". So, with 360 degrees of vision, Neji will see Lee getting ready to attack and moves out of the way allowing a one on one scufflew between sasuke and gated lee. However, thats what sasuke wants "part of plan" so as Lee charges with blinding speed, Sasuke can use his SG to read Lees movement and then hit him with tsukuyomi before he makes contact "just like he did against three tail KB in their fighthttp://onemanga.com/Naruto/413/08/" And after a couple days in tsukuyomi= 1 momnet in the real world, Lees down and out. So, now its Neji vs sasuke.


In my opinion Sasuke can't catch five gated Lee in tsukuyomi, Lee is too fast, any longer eye contact would be out of the question.

popion
03-15-2009, 08:13 AM
True, twin headed wolf form is strong, plus if Sasuke sets them on fire, they might still charge at him and set Sasuke on fire so amateratsu might backfire at Sasuke.
not even that.
to start the fire you have to focus sharingan on the point you want to burn. if that target is spining that fast as kiba/akamaru are not even itachi could focus amaterasu

In my opinion Sasuke can't catch five gated Lee in tsukuyomi, Lee is too fast, any longer eye contact would be out of the question.sasuke hasnt shown that he can use tsukuyomi.

superninja
03-15-2009, 08:29 AM
Sasuke can use tsukuyomi http://onemanga.com/Naruto/413/08/,
http://onemanga.com/Naruto/413/09/ - a mangekyou sharingan illusion he tried to use on Killer Bee but it failed.
He also used it on this guy for interrogation http://onemanga.com/Naruto/408/03/, http://onemanga.com/Naruto/408/04/

popion
03-15-2009, 08:50 AM
it failed.that's all we need to know
he cant use tsukuyomi, yet.

against the 1st guy he doesnt use tsukuyomi (http://onemanga.com/Naruto/408/03/)
he uses a genjutsu that can "exploits fearfull hearts" (left top pannel)
kishi didnt draw any pannels depicting something like tsukuyomi

superninja
03-15-2009, 09:00 AM
that's all we need to know
he cant use tsukuyomi, yet.

(lol i forgot about kirabee, as for the other guy i dont remeber at all about him)


against the 1st guy he doesnt use tsukuyomi (http://onemanga.com/Naruto/408/03/)
he uses a genjutsu that can "exploit fearfull hearts" (left top pannel)

His eye has the form of the mangekyou sharingan when he does it....
"exploit fearfull hearts" is just a fancy way of saying he is going to torture him with tsukuyomi.

Myth
03-15-2009, 10:56 AM
I been lurking and 2 things have come to my attention that i must correct.

1 - Kyf true the hyuuga have good chakra control and neji can shoot a chakra blast from his palm, i checked that out and in the data book its ranked as a taijutsu move not ninjutsu.

Naruto throws a rasenshruiken nuff said condensed chakra like that is impossible to throw period because the rasengan must be rotated and put with chakra as well as force akll at the same time as jiraiya said, otherwise the jutsu would stop. Also the rasengan requires near perfect chakra control top use thats why in part 1 naruto couldn't do it with 1 hand. Jiraiya made an ultimate rasengan with 1 hand while naruto throws a thing like the rasenshuriken.. The hyuuga are good in chakra control no doubt but far from the best. they aren't even close actually. Just thought i'd correct something out of order.

another thing u said naruto in sage mode didn't do any better vs tendo pain then kakashi did.
well naruto never fought tendou pain with sage mode he had to use it to inject into fatty and kill him.. gopd pain was beating up on naruto while naruto was in base form.

also kakashi had 5 other or 4 other shinobi with him and he did horrible. just thought i would clear that up to.

Remember Kyf this isn't something i am debating with u cause like i said all of this was shown in the manga i just pointed this out because u made a mistake in some points that is all. this is adressing everyone as a whole as well whom even had the thought of huyyga chakra control or naruto using sage mode vs tendo pain.

poolangya
03-15-2009, 01:26 PM
taka sasuke vs team 8

shino will give him problems if he is at the potential i think he can reach, hinata will be fodder unless sasuke decides to fight close then she would still be fodder, but a fighting fodder. kiba will destroy the arena wherever it is, but will realize he couldn't hit sasuke. sasuke wins

taka sasuke vs team 10

chouji will do the same thing kiba does, destroy the arena wherever it is only to be pwnd real hard, ino will not do the mind transfer because she will daydream her sasuke,earning herself a kiss and a sliced throat. shikamaru will try to catch sasuke, but sasuke will evade, they can do that for hours, but sasuke will realize it's time for his beauty rest, then kills off shikamaru. sasuke wins.

taka sasuke vs. team gai

taijutsu battle, if the 3 can coordinate their attacks, they can exhaust sasuke for a win by team gai, but i think only neji and lee can coordinate their attacks because ten ten is a ranged taijutsu user, and throws lots of sharp objects around which would hinder or worse injure her teammates, so in short she wont know what to do, then die from boredom. lee + neji is a whole different matter. if sasuke hopes to fight straight forward with these 2, his only saving grace would be chidori nagashi especially if they coordinate their attacks. but if sasuke fights smart and uses his range advantage, he will win in no time. sasuke has the upperhand in this fight.

Dagoro
03-15-2009, 02:05 PM
People, Scenarios don't matter. Anyone can swing a made up scenario to the character they prefer, hell i can come up with a scenario where Tenten beats Madara.

What matters is Manga feats, thats all.

Sasuke has more jutsu than all those teams combined. He can summon which none of the others can and he has SG. None of those guys pose a challenge plain and simple.

Myth
03-15-2009, 02:40 PM
superninja sorry i missed something u pointed out someone brought it to my attention.

u said yamato can use his mokuto to block a frs lol sasuke broke out of that wall with ease by just launching himself at it kabuto broke it as well lol.

as it stands nothing can block a FRS unless you use some ultimate katon cause wind<fire other then that no substance can stop it due its power slicing nature.

Rasengan itself can pretty much own the shit out of anything it hits rs it 10 fold more powerful.. but its ok superninja everyone makes mistakes it was just a terrible one on your part.

superninja
03-15-2009, 03:49 PM
superninja sorry i missed something u pointed out someone brought it to my attention.

u said yamato can use his mokuto to block a frs lol sasuke broke out of that wall with ease by just launching himself at it kabuto broke it as well lol.

as it stands nothing can block a FRS unless you use some ultimate katon cause wind<fire other then that no substance can stop it due its power slicing nature.

Rasengan itself can pretty much own the shit out of anything it hits rs it 10 fold more powerful.. but its ok superninja everyone makes mistakes it was just a terrible one on your part.

That was my mistake, I admit. Rasenshuriken would go through it, the wood would block the explosion that happens after the rasenshuriken explodes, so the wood wall wouldn't be completely useless. Also, Kakashi's kamui can destabilize rasenshuriken so rasenshuriken explodes, i believe. Because Kakashi can teleport the center of rasenshuriken, after that it wouldn't be stable. So, it can be used against Naruto after all. ("if you are not careful your own jutsu will be used against you")

Dagoro
03-15-2009, 04:12 PM
That was my mistake, I admit. Rasenshuriken would go through it, the wood would block the explosion that happens after the rasenshuriken explodes, so the wood wall wouldn't be completely useless

So a wooden wall would block the explosion caused by FRS ?? The same FRS that creates massive craters and cleaves mountains, obliterating several tons of solid rock ??

Seriously man, come on.

Myth
03-15-2009, 04:53 PM
That was my mistake, I admit. Rasenshuriken would go through it, the wood would block the explosion that happens after the rasenshuriken explodes, so the wood wall wouldn't be completely useless. Also, Kakashi's kamui can destabilize rasenshuriken so rasenshuriken explodes, i believe. Because Kakashi can teleport the center of rasenshuriken, after that it wouldn't be stable. So, it can be used against Naruto after all. ("if you are not careful your own jutsu will be used against you")

nothing yamato has can stop a rasenshruiken i agree with the kakashi point he may be able to use kamui but that only leads to his demise since he will drain his chakra badly while naruto can spam those jutsu. and the FRS IS REALLY REALLY FAST kakashi might not be able to make it in time with such a power move.




Edit: Another interesting point i remember ppl mainly KYF saying there isn;t enough proof to suggest that naruto is fast in sage mode or at least faster then sasuke as he claims cause we all know sage mode = all ur attributes going through the roof.

I remember KYF u said something like "ok he got from all the way there to where tsunade was but we didn't see him take off so he may have had time" ok even though i still don't agree with that here is another piece of evidence that naruto is without a doubt very fast in sage mode.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/430/16/ if u look at demon realms feet he is flying using rocket power. and to prove he is using rockets there is another link

here http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/430/17-18/ look at his shoe he has hole in them with smoke coming out... so yeah naruto basically made it from

here http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/430/16/ see where the frogs are to where she was and he beat pain to it whom was using rockets to fly..

just thought i'd point that out as well

Dagoro
03-15-2009, 06:17 PM
Sasuke vs What Pein did.

Sasuke gets his wish.

In this scenario Sasuke and Taka get to konoha way before Pein does, however they fight the same people the 6 paths fought. They are fully rested and have the element of surprise. How far do they he get in their attempt to destroy konoha.

Conditons: Sasuke gets 1 free Kirin shot to get shit started ( no chakra penalty ). Taka can use all the skills they currently have.

Restrictions: No BS comments or assumptions like : Amateratsu can destroy the whole village in 1 shot ( we all know thats BS ), Sasuke uses Susano'o ( he never used it in the series therefore no proof he can use it yet).

They don't rest after each fight just like Pein.

1. Fodder ninja. Pein killed about 10-15 that actually got pannel.

2. Anbu guys, the ones that fough the cerberus summon.

3. Kiba and his mom.

4. Ebsu & Konohamaru ( lol )

5. Kakashi, Chouji, Chouza + 2 fodder.

6. Tsunade.

7. SM Naruto and Toad army

8. Kn6 Naruto

How far would Taka get ??

Myth
03-15-2009, 06:29 PM
Sasuke vs What Pein did.

Sasuke gets his wish.

In this scenario Sasuke and Taka get to konoha way before Pein does, however they fight the same people the 6 paths fought. They are fully rested and have the element of surprise. How far do they he get in their attempt to destroy konoha.

Conditons: Sasuke gets 1 free Kirin shot to gets shit started ( no chakra penalty ). Taka can use all the skills they currently have.

Restrictions: No BS comments or assumptions like : Amateratsu can destroy the whole village in 1 shot ( we all know thats BS ), Sasuke uses Susano'o ( he never used it in the series therefore no proof he can use it yet).

They don't rest after each fight just like Pein.

1. Fodder ninja. Pein killed about 10-15 that actually got pannel.

2. Anbu guys, the ones that fough the cerberus summon.

3. Kiba and his mom.

4. Ebsu & Konohamaru ( lol )

5. Kakashi, Chouji, Chouza + 2 fodder.

6. Tsunade.

7. SM Naruto and Toad army

8. Kn6 Naruto

How far would Taka get ??

Kkashi would be enough to handle sasuke since the current sasuke has no orochimaru hax or cs2 his jutsu speed power doesn't get higher. sasukes mks genjutsu wouldn't work since kakashi has a mks itachi said"a normal sharingan couldn't so jack shit against tsukuyomi except resist it" which is true sasuek resisted the tsukuyomi.

juugo karin and suigetsu are pathetic nothing that tsunade can't handle along with 3 anbu fighting the others..

Sasuke with taka the damage they would do can be compared to a scratch. Pain is way out of sasuke's league that is why he accomplished so much his bodies are damn near indestructible they all have some weird ass abilities.

Taka and sasuke wouldn;t get far at all.

if anyone actually thinks taka and sasuke can even cause a quarter of the damage pain did then this topic should be stopped.

Nothing anyone in taka has shown can do anything even close to what pain did.

sasuke is the main threat lol the other 3 are useless sasuke can be handled by kakashi.

superninja
03-15-2009, 07:41 PM
Sasuke is stronger than Kakashi, not by much in my opinion but he is stronger in chakra, maybe speed, chidori and in mangekyou sharingan.
Sasuke can't blow the village like Pein did, but he can set in on fire with amateratsu. That way he could do a large scale damage.
Sage mode Naruto would beat him.

Myth
03-15-2009, 08:01 PM
Sasuke is stronger than Kakashi, not by much in my opinion but he is stronger in chakra, maybe speed, chidori and in mangekyou sharingan.
Sasuke can't blow the village like Pein did, but he can set in on fire with amateratsu. That way he could do a large scale damage.
Sage mode Naruto would beat him.

kakashi had mks way longer then sasuke and can control it far better he can use his kamui to suck amatersu up.. sasuke would have his hands full with kakashi it would go down to the wire.. and as i said in that case an anbu can asist to take down sasuke with kakashi..

Pain is just that strong thats all his bodies and moronic abilities is what did this to the village.

Dagoro
03-15-2009, 09:07 PM
I also think they would make it to kakashi and lose due to low chakra.

superninja
03-15-2009, 09:23 PM
Sasuke vs What Pein did.

Sasuke gets his wish.

In this scenario Sasuke and Taka get to konoha way before Pein does, however they fight the same people the 6 paths fought. They are fully rested and have the element of surprise. How far do they he get in their attempt to destroy konoha.

Conditons: Sasuke gets 1 free Kirin shot to get shit started ( no chakra penalty ). Taka can use all the skills they currently have.

Restrictions: No BS comments or assumptions like : Amateratsu can destroy the whole village in 1 shot ( we all know thats BS ), Sasuke uses Susano'o ( he never used it in the series therefore no proof he can use it yet).

They don't rest after each fight just like Pein.

1. Fodder ninja. Pein killed about 10-15 that actually got pannel.

2. Anbu guys, the ones that fough the cerberus summon.

3. Kiba and his mom.

4. Ebsu & Konohamaru ( lol )

5. Kakashi, Chouji, Chouza + 2 fodder.

6. Tsunade.

7. SM Naruto and Toad army

8. Kn6 Naruto

How far would Taka get ??

If Sasuke did all these steps without any rest, I recon he would get stuck on level 5 or 6. But - that is not a very fair comparison. Pein aka Nagato has the biggest amount of chakra we have seen yet, Sasuke doesn't. Sasuke could just secretly set Konoha on flames with amateratsu, with the right strategy I am sure Sasuke could do a lot of damage. But he would be defeated of course.
Now the same question - how much damage could Naruto do to Konoha if he invaded it in sage mode? My estimation is Naruto would do some damage, but less then Sasuke. Because Naruto gets tired after throwing rasenshurikens and Sasuke can just set everything aflame and leave it like that.

Myth
03-15-2009, 09:41 PM
If Sasuke did all these steps without any rest, I recon he would get stuck on level 5 or 6. But - that is not a very fair comparison. Pein aka Nagato has the biggest amount of chakra we have seen yet, Sasuke doesn't. Sasuke could just secretly set Konoha on flames with amateratsu, with the right strategy I am sure Sasuke could do a lot of damage. But he would be defeated of course.
Now the same question - how much damage could Naruto do to Konoha if he invaded it in sage mode? My estimation is Naruto would do some damage, but less then Sasuke. Because Naruto gets tired after throwing rasenshurikens and Sasuke can just set everything aflame and leave it like that.

from a far naruto could obliterate the village as well ;)

lamps123
03-16-2009, 12:38 AM
this thread is so interesting,i love the part where someone had to proof naruto is faster than sasuke in sagemode,the proof was so flawlesss no one could argue lol.

and yeah i think naruto can just throw a frs to the hokage statues and they would destroy the villages lol like dat filler of the trap master saying if he blows up the hokage statues and it crumbles it would destroy d villages.
and yh amaterasu can be taken to another dimension by kakashi all he as to do is to focus on the fire and use his kumai.
but i hav the feeling that the same cant be done with narutos frs,y i dnt rili know,but kakashi could not even see the number of attacks it made on kakazu talkless of taking everything to another dimension,if u see wat i mean.and that was not even the throwable one.
again who says naruto cant destroy the village on his own,the leaf shinobi were doing poorly when oro snakes were attacking the gate,only for bunta nd jiraya to save the day,that means naruto and his toad army would just do some water bullet justus and frs together,no chance for konoha lol.
and finally the kyubi,no need to comment futher lollll.hehe u all knw.lol

Myth
03-16-2009, 12:45 AM
this thread is so interesting,i love the part where someone had to proof naruto is faster than sasuke in sagemode,the proof was so flawlesss no one could argue lol.

and yeah i think naruto can just throw a frs to the hokage statues and they would destroy the villages lol like dat filler of the trap master saying if he blows up the hokage statues and it crumbles it would destroy d villages.
and yh amaterasu can be taken to another dimension by kakashi all he as to do is to focus on the fire and use his kumai.
but i hav the feeling that the same cant be done with narutos frs,y i dnt rili know,but kakashi could not even see the number of attacks it made on kakazu talkless of taking everything to another dimension,if u see wat i mean.and that was not even the throwable one.
again who says naruto cant destroy the village on his own,the leaf shinobi were doing poorly when oro snakes were attacking the gate,only for bunta nd jiraya to save the day,that means naruto and his toad army would just do some water bullet justus and frs together,no chance for konoha lol.
and finally the kyubi,no need to comment futher lollll.hehe u all knw.lol

i made a similar point about the FRS that kakashi wouldn't react fast enough because the jutsu is to fast... but i edited it out for my own reasons glad to see some one else caught on ..

thanks for the comment on that naruto is fast part lol..

True the speed part cannot be debated since naruto out ran a rocket basically lol but someone will try to argue it as always which is why i said or am saying i didn't put it up for an argument it was for people to come across it and see.. Manga proves naruto is fast

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-16-2009, 01:18 AM
I been lurking and 2 things have come to my attention that i must correct.

1 - Kyf true the hyuuga have good chakra control and neji can shoot a chakra blast from his palm, i checked that out and in the data book its ranked as a taijutsu move not ninjutsu.

Naruto throws a rasenshruiken nuff said condensed chakra like that is impossible to throw period because the rasengan must be rotated and put with chakra as well as force akll at the same time as jiraiya said, otherwise the jutsu would stop. Also the rasengan requires near perfect chakra control top use thats why in part 1 naruto couldn't do it with 1 hand. Jiraiya made an ultimate rasengan with 1 hand while naruto throws a thing like the rasenshuriken.. The hyuuga are good in chakra control no doubt but far from the best. they aren't even close actually. Just thought i'd correct something out of order.

another thing u said naruto in sage mode didn't do any better vs tendo pain then kakashi did.
well naruto never fought tendou pain with sage mode he had to use it to inject into fatty and kill him.. gopd pain was beating up on naruto while naruto was in base form.

also kakashi had 5 other or 4 other shinobi with him and he did horrible. just thought i would clear that up to.

Remember Kyf this isn't something i am debating with u cause like i said all of this was shown in the manga i just pointed this out because u made a mistake in some points that is all. this is adressing everyone as a whole as well whom even had the thought of huyyga chakra control or naruto using sage mode vs tendo pain.

Your comparing a jutsu that requires naruto and three KBs who are all in SM, lol, to base Neji. Its true narutos RS is the supirior jutsu that requires more chakra control. However, naruto needs the power of SM coupled with two KBs just to perform the jutsu yet Neji, all by his lonesome, has the raw talent to shoot his chakra at will. As for the rasengan, yes its takes good chakra control, but all that control is only to his right hand, He doesnt have that kind of control anywhere else. So, good chakra control in just his right hand doesnt equal supirior chakra control. Neji can control the chakra at any of the chakra points on the body, even releasing the chakra "plus a spin equals roration defense" from any chakra point. So, its clear Neji has control over his chakra that naruto doesnt.

What? Sighs, naruto was in SM when he got blown away and when he got sucked up, Nuff Said! And thats why he didnt do any better than kakashi. Why? Simply becasue kakashi didnt let himself get caught with bansho tensai, but naruto did which costed him SM and the fight thus far.

nothing yamato has can stop a rasenshruiken i agree with the kakashi point he may be able to use kamui but that only leads to his demise since he will drain his chakra badly while naruto can spam those jutsu. and the FRS IS REALLY REALLY FAST kakashi might not be able to make it in time with such a power move.




Edit: Another interesting point i remember ppl mainly KYF saying there isn;t enough proof to suggest that naruto is fast in sage mode or at least faster then sasuke as he claims cause we all know sage mode = all ur attributes going through the roof.

I remember KYF u said something like "ok he got from all the way there to where tsunade was but we didn't see him take off so he may have had time" ok even though i still don't agree with that here is another piece of evidence that naruto is without a doubt very fast in sage mode.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/430/16/ if u look at demon realms feet he is flying using rocket power. and to prove he is using rockets there is another link

here http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/430/17-18/ look at his shoe he has hole in them with smoke coming out... so yeah naruto basically made it from

here http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/430/16/ see where the frogs are to where she was and he beat pain to it whom was using rockets to fly..

just thought i'd point that out as well

SIghs, however, as you can see, Naruto has already noticed five pannels before he arrives giving him plenty time to jump and catch demon realm in mid attackahttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/430/16/. Lol, tsunade got to say a few lines two panles later after naruto noticed so it wasnt some instant jump. Lol, if naruto had such speed, he couldve just used it to easily out maneuver all the realms and win.

Sasuke vs What Pein did.

Sasuke gets his wish.

In this scenario Sasuke and Taka get to konoha way before Pein does, however they fight the same people the 6 paths fought. They are fully rested and have the element of surprise. How far do they he get in their attempt to destroy konoha.

Conditons: Sasuke gets 1 free Kirin shot to get shit started ( no chakra penalty ). Taka can use all the skills they currently have.

Restrictions: No BS comments or assumptions like : Amateratsu can destroy the whole village in 1 shot ( we all know thats BS ), Sasuke uses Susano'o ( he never used it in the series therefore no proof he can use it yet).

They don't rest after each fight just like Pein.

1. Fodder ninja. Pein killed about 10-15 that actually got pannel.

2. Anbu guys, the ones that fough the cerberus summon.

3. Kiba and his mom.

4. Ebsu & Konohamaru ( lol )

5. Kakashi, Chouji, Chouza + 2 fodder.

6. Tsunade.

7. SM Naruto and Toad army

8. Kn6 Naruto

How far would Taka get ??
Ok lets see. Sasukes smart so he infiltrates the village and uses Karin "the free one" to destroy the Kage tower with tsunade and who ever else is in there. now, with that happening. All the shibobi including kakashi in that area pile in to the center of the village to see what happened to the kage building. After a good bit of shinobi gather around the destroyed kage building, realising tsunades dead. sasuke with karin by his side, uses Amaterasu on that samll area killing all the shinobi there within seconds and then karin lets sasuke bite her to heal the effects of his MS.

So, with kakashi, tsunade, lets say sakura, chouji, chouza and some foder ninja dead. And becasue sasuke used amaterasu in the middle of the village, the flames will spread out and cosume the whole village plus anything else until its put out, or runs out of feul to burn. Now, with suigetso and juugo taking fodder ninja, sasuke too I supose "without any jutsu or SG, just speed and his sword". Until naruto arrives to help, naruto sees sasuke realising he did this. Naruto then tells gama and the other two to go and help put out the flames "useless, lol" since naruto wants a one on one fight.

sasuke, with his SG then sees naruto amazing amount of chakra while karin is warning him about it as well. Sasuke: this much chakra is deadly, unlike last time against KB, im going to finish this quickly. So, after a couple seconds to plan, sasuke uses amaterasu and surrounds naruto with it then immediately bites karin again for healing "MS effects". Naruto with SM jumps up above the flames to escape the heat and sees sasuke with his hand up. However, sasuke counted on it. With the last of his chakra sasuke incenerates naruto wile saying "disapear with the thunder".

Thats all IM going to invest into this scenario, lol.

lamps123
03-16-2009, 01:18 AM
yh lol,it was rili nice i was hoping to see wat someone cud say to contradict that lol,bt i dint think of it that way, he beat a rocketlike speed that was a bit close to tsunade nd he was dat far,its almost like teleporting lol,naruto is even faster than i tought lol thnks 4 ur enlightment.lol hehe

Myth
03-16-2009, 07:27 AM
Kyf i copy posted it to pm lets no spam to much here we can discuss the speed part here if u wish but the rest cause its old in pm.

superninja
03-16-2009, 10:53 AM
SIghs, however, as you can see, Naruto has already noticed five pannels before he arrives giving him plenty time to jump and catch demon realm in mid attackahttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/430/16/. Lol, tsunade got to say a few lines two panles later after naruto noticed so it wasnt some instant jump. Lol, if naruto had such speed, he couldve just used it to easily out maneuver all the realms and win.


I agree with KYF, Naruto saw Pein was going to attack before Tsunade did. I don't know how, but he did. So Naruto went for him while Tsunade and Pein were still having their conversation.
All the other bodies, Naruto didn't kill on the account of the speed advantage. He destroyed them on other ways, either by tricks, or by frog katas.
So sage mode Naruto is not much faster than Pein bodies, I'd say they are equal at speed. It's just that Naruto can throw one attack after the other because he has kage bunshins and he had some help from the frogs as well.
So, to me Naruto's speed in sage mode doesn't excel over the speed of other fast ninjas, namely Sasuke, Gai, Lee, Kakashi etc.

MikeyM1979
03-16-2009, 11:06 AM
Sasuke is fucked in that scenario. xD That's not even fair, since his team sucks ass. It'd be more fair if it's Sasuke, Itachi, and Kisame. :p Not saying he'd win still, just saying, that'd be a better fight.

Dagoro
03-16-2009, 12:51 PM
Sasuke is fucked in that scenario. xD That's not even fair, since his team sucks ass. It'd be more fair if it's Sasuke, Itachi, and Kisame. :p Not saying he'd win still, just saying, that'd be a better fight.

Lol. Taka does suck.

@KYF

I can't help but noticed that all your scenarios concerning Naruto begin by him making a KB than proceeding to get owned by his enemy's abilitities. Its not even funny how ridiculously bias you are man, seriously tone it down.

Its all about Manga feats, scenarios mean nothing. I can formulate a scenarion in which tenten destroys the entire ninja world combined , but we all know manga doesn't support that. So think before you drown yourself in baseless speculations.

@Superninja

Same to you man. Some of your comments are down right comical.

Yamato can block FRS with his wooden wall
Yamato's wooden wall can block FRS explosion
Naruto had time to run towards Demon realm

Sigh, tsk tsk tsk.

Im not a fan of the Uchiha, but i do give them their due. When i contest them i present proof to support my argument instead of spouting stupid comments just to put them down. Im done making Uchiha threads since Fanboys get way out hand with SG fapping.

superninja
03-16-2009, 01:23 PM
Lol. Taka does suck.
@Superninja

Same to you man. Some of your comments are down right comical.

Yamato can block FRS with his wooden wall
Yamato's wooden wall can block FRS explosion
Naruto had time to run towards Demon realm

Sigh, tsk tsk tsk.

Im not a fan of the Uchiha, but i do give them their due. When i contest them i present proof to support my argument instead of spouting stupid comments just to put them down. Im done making Uchiha threads since Fanboys get way out hand with SG fapping.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/430/16/

You can see Naruto had an exclamation mark over his head three panels before he pwnd Demon realm.
So even Kishimoto didn't want to make Naruto just teleport there without previously hinting what was going to happen.

Where was Naruto's mega speed after that?
He is fast, but to say his speed is now a lot greater than the speed of other ninjas is just not correct.

Dagoro
03-16-2009, 01:34 PM
You can see Naruto had an exclamation mark over his head three panels before he pwnd Demon realm.
So even Kishimoto didn't want to make Naruto just teleport there without previously hinting what was going to happen.

Im sorry, where are the pannels showing Naruto runing there while tsunade was speaking ??

Where was Naruto's mega speed after that?
He is fast, but to say his speed is now a lot greater than the speed of other ninjas is just not correct

Not all battles flow at ridiculous speeds. Naruto vs Sasuke at vote was a fight where both were moving really fast. Naruto vs Pein was a totally diffent situation. So many variables were present at the field, summons, reviving techs etc. Still Naruto took down 5 bodies in no time.

BTW, you want pannels showing Naruto's speed ?? here .
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/415/14/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/415/15/

Oh, and since Pannel counting = speed according to you allow me to show why KB is the flash in the Narutoverse.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/015/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/016/

Notice how in one pannels he is fighting taka, than a second later he is a mountain away from them. Now thats some pannel speed.

Myth
03-16-2009, 01:47 PM
not u or KYF have proof that naruto was looking at demon realm if u have proof post it that exclamation mark could very well be his reaction to tsunade talking... U have no soild proof u get it im not doubting kyf's words at all im asking for cold hard proof like i gave u 2 panels that perfectly matched my claims while the panel u and kyf posted could go both ways. it has no perfect proof.

and even if what u claim is true DEMON REALM HAD ROCKETS FOR SPeed naruto out rank him and if naruto saw demon realm as u say then that means DEMON REALM had a head start and still failed which once again proves my point. thank you have a good day sir.

MikeyM1979
03-16-2009, 01:52 PM
I have a new fight!

Well, not new. >.> But under different circumstances. :p

SM Naruto vs Pain.

This is virtually the same scenario as we've had in the manga. Except for a few things.

-SM Naruto is fighting to take Pain alive for questioning
-Pain is fighting to kill

We start off at the point where SM Naruto shows up with his toad gang. All paths are on the scene. Konoha is NOT in rubbles, but SM Naruto will only get help from his summons. No other ninja may help. Pain hasn't used up his chakra, nor is in a weakened state. Well, I guess that goes for Nagato more than anything. >.>

All fighters are as IC as possible.

Edit: Myth, tell me this dude didn't actually mean the shit he said in your signature...

superninja
03-16-2009, 01:53 PM
This is speed : http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/38/12/

Back on topic: Pein kills

Myth
03-16-2009, 01:57 PM
This is speed : http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/38/12/

Back on topic: Pein kills

thank you for shutting ur big mouth after good that u did cause i just used ur own proof against u lol...

edit: yes mikey the clown did mean all the things whats worse he quoted something from me and left out the next part of the post in his sig to try and pass it off like i fucked up that bad lol its a good thing i re-posted the entire post a few pages back..

if pain fought naruto in sage mode under that condition and konoha wasn't in rubbles naruto would win for 1 simple reason the toads would hide and cast genjutsu and tendo thus killing him the other 5 are easy pickings.

MikeyM1979
03-16-2009, 01:57 PM
This is speed : http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/38/12/

Back on topic: Pein killsThat's speed? Gai showed up out of no where. You see smoke, don'tcha? Implies that he didn't run, walk, nor shunshin to them...

Dagoro
03-16-2009, 01:58 PM
@ Mikey

IC is in play, than the fight would unfold almost exactly like this one. The only difference is Naruto would go kyubi because his life would be at stake instead of a friend getting hurt.

superninja
03-16-2009, 02:00 PM
thank you for shutting ur big mouth after good that u did cause i just used ur own proof against u lol...


No, the time frame here is different - there is no talking going on. In any case, fail to all you that think sage Naruto is faster than Gai.

Myth
03-16-2009, 02:02 PM
That's speed? Gai showed up out of no where. You see smoke, don'tcha? Implies that he didn't run, walk, nor shunshin to them...

actually he used sushinn lol a puff of smoke lie that usually means sushinn... either way i completely made those 2 look like idiots they tried to post some wack ass panel which had no solid proof and i used it against them lol how dumb do u have to be to post something that can hurt u that bad.

because even if what they said was true about naruto seeing pain attacking lol it means pain using rockets had a head start anyways and naruto still beat him to the punch lol.

MikeyM1979
03-16-2009, 02:09 PM
@ Mikey

IC is in play, than the fight would unfold almost exactly like this one. The only difference is Naruto would go kyubi because his life would be at stake instead of a friend getting hurt.Um, SM Naruto is fighting to take Pain alive. :p Him going Kyuubi would kill Pain, so that's a no no.

actually he used sushinn lol a puff of smoke lie that usually means sushinn...
Eh, it looked like he used a smoke thingy to appear. *shrug* You know how like, Kabuto and others have shown the ability to just appear and disappear in a puff of smoke?

Dagoro
03-16-2009, 02:12 PM
Um, SM Naruto is fighting to take Pain alive. Him going Kyuubi would kill Pain, so that's a no no.

The OP clearly states IC. When Naruto is near death the kyubi steps in. Since Deva is up and running from the get-go Naruto might go into tailed mode earlier.

All fighters are as IC as possible.

Your post dude.

MikeyM1979
03-16-2009, 02:14 PM
The OP clearly states IC. When Naruto is near death the kyubi steps in. Since Deva is up and running from the get-go Naruto might go into tailed mode earlier.



Your post dude.Yes, and I also clearly said SM Naruto fights to take Pain alive. Kyuubi = Pain gets his ass whipped and dies.

I suppose they do somewhat contradict one another.

Okay. SM Naruto fights to take Pain alive for questioning, and is as IC as possible, with the exception that he cannot go Kyuubi.

superninja
03-16-2009, 02:17 PM
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/38/12/ this is a speed thing, Gai closed in on them in less than a second. A page after that Sasuke comments his speed.
If you think it's just an illusion than fine, but Gai is not that kind of guy.
EDIT: Also, Gai didn't disappear in a puff of smoke, so your theory it's just some jutsu is wrong. It's speed.

All five Pein bodies, fully charged up against sage Naruto and the toads?

Pein wins this one, and he wins it bad.
Firstly, Demon realm would have his ammunition.
Secondly, Deva realm would use his gravity powers from the start.
There is no way Naruto wins this.

Dagoro
03-16-2009, 02:21 PM
Okay. SM Naruto fights to take Pain alive for questioning, and is as IC as possible, with the exception that he cannot go Kyuubi.

Meh, you gimped Naruto here. Without his ultimate hax Naruto can't beat the ultimate Haxxor. Pein wins after a long battle.

MikeyM1979
03-16-2009, 02:27 PM
Meh, you gimped Naruto here. Without his ultimate hax Naruto can't beat the ultimate Haxxor. Pein wins after a long battle.
I didn't really gimp him. Everyone has to fight under certain circumstances, it's all fair in the ninja world. Deidara, Sasuke, Kisame, Kakuzu & Hidan, etc. They all had to fight jinchuurikis under the circumstance that they had to beat them, but still bring them in alive. Meaning, none of the names above could have used their ultimate trump cards. Else Pain would have had their asses. :p I'm sure some of you can come up with a way for a haxxed up character like SM Naruto to beat Pain. Someone who is currently losing to a jinchuuriki in the manga. The roles have simply reversed.

BlackSaint
03-16-2009, 02:57 PM
team 8 Hinata, kiba & akamaru, Shino vs team 10 Ino, chouji ,shikamaru team 10

no restrictions

setting: plains, wide open area

my bet is on team 8

Dagoro
03-16-2009, 03:10 PM
team 8 Hinata, kiba & akamaru, Shino vs team 10 Ino, chouji ,shikamaru team 10

no restrictions

setting: plains, wide open area

Both teams are terrible. Team 10 get more pannel but that doesn't help them at all. Shika is the only nin who isn't worthless here.

Based on their overall abilities i would give it to team 8.

Hinata > Ino
Kiba has the speed advantage over chouji
Shika is the biggest threat, however shino can attack from long-range.

W/e team 8 wins.

popion
03-16-2009, 03:46 PM
Both teams are terrible. Team 10 get more pannel but that doesn't help them at all. Shika is the only nin who isn't worthless here.

Based on their overall abilities i would give it to team 8.

Hinata > Ino
Kiba has the speed advantage over chouji
Shika is the biggest threat, however shino can attack from long-range.

W/e team 8 wins.

agree
team 8 wins this from what we have seen so far
shino can cover wide spaces easy + long range
kiba can bombard shika&co without worying about shika's kagemane (high speed in its spining => high inertia => high power => sika cant maintain kagemane for more than a split second)
hinata/gentle fist can be annoying

but i think that shika could turn this
(choji supermultisize => huge shadow => catches shino/hinata => ino can use posesion => ino atacks the others => sika can use kagemane on some1 else => another1 out of the fight and then choji goes butterfly and rapes kiba)
kinda fanfic ...

Witchking
03-16-2009, 03:49 PM
Killerbee Vs God Pein

Myth
03-16-2009, 04:44 PM
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/38/12/ this is a speed thing, Gai closed in on them in less than a second. A page after that Sasuke comments his speed.
If you think it's just an illusion than fine, but Gai is not that kind of guy.
EDIT: Also, Gai didn't disappear in a puff of smoke, so your theory it's just some jutsu is wrong. It's speed.

All five Pein bodies, fully charged up against sage Naruto and the toads?

Pein wins this one, and he wins it bad.
Firstly, Demon realm would have his ammunition.
Secondly, Deva realm would use his gravity powers from the start.
There is no way Naruto wins this.


nobody cares about ur examples of speed that has nothing to do with the subject. the point is i proved naruto is really fast in sage mode perfect proof 2 panels supporting my claims.. while u and kyf merely posted 1 panel and u were ASSUMING naruto was reacting to pains attack when he also could have reacted to tsunades speaking.

That aside i said "even if he was reacting to pain attacking tsunade that means pain had a head start using rockets and still failed".. thats my point either way u look at it naruto is fast as hell.. all ur link did was further prove my point..

Bot:

If naruto fought in sage mode with the help from toads pain would be dead for 1 reason if as u say mikey konoha isn't in rubble fukasaku and shima can hide then cast the ninjutsu to kill god pain after god is gone the rest would be dealt with easily. or he can have the genjutsu just hold god pain off and paralyze him without actually killing him while he takes care of the rest.

of course if konoha is in rubble naruto would still get far but i think he might lose.

Vengeance
03-16-2009, 04:45 PM
SM Naruto vs Pain.

This is virtually the same scenario as we've had in the manga. Except for a few things.

-SM Naruto is fighting to take Pain alive for questioning
-Pain is fighting to kill

Pain wins this... Pain has already proven himself to be stronger then 6 tails & isn't even fighting with intent to kill. Plus if we allow Pain access to all of his bodies powers from the start this isn't even a fair match up. SM Naruto is good but he's not as good as Pain. SM Naruto lost to Pain a few chapters back now unless you're factoring in the Kyuubi you mite want to clarify that by stating this is a current Naruto & not just SM. SM implies that he's using Sage tecs not Kyuubi. Anyway doesn't matter ether way because Pain would pwn his arse along with all the toads.

Mystik
03-16-2009, 04:51 PM
Killerbee Vs God Pein

Pain would own killerbee.. you can't put pain up against hardly anyone in the manga. If so they will get pwnd. He took care of three huge ass toads in one go and killerbee would be no different. As long as Pain has shinra Tensei there really isnt much anyone can do. Also Pain is holding his own against the Kyuubi and the 8 tails would be a walk in the park for him.

Vengeance
03-16-2009, 04:57 PM
Killerbee Vs God Pein
LMAO I missed this one.... If Killerbee were to win it would imply that Sasuke is better then Pain. This simply isn't true so on that note Pain would pwn Killerbee.

Dagoro
03-16-2009, 04:59 PM
Im a bit confused here.

Does the OP mean god pein as in Deva Pein or god Pein as in the 6 paths ??

Ill comment on both.

Hachibi vs Deva.

Hachibi has a decent shot against 100% deva. He is a full fledged Jinchuriki, he would be able to do what Naruto is doing while having complete control therefore being able to make critical decisions. I say this is a 50/50 split.

Hachibi vs The 6 paths

Hachibi Mega dies here without a doubt.

If Killerbee were to win it would imply that Sasuke is better then Pain

Explain that plz.

lamps123
03-16-2009, 05:14 PM
Your comparing a jutsu that requires naruto and three KBs who are all in SM, lol, to base Neji. Its true narutos RS is the supirior jutsu that requires more chakra control. However, naruto needs the power of SM coupled with two KBs just to perform the jutsu yet Neji, all by his lonesome, has the raw talent to shoot his chakra at will. As for the rasengan, yes its takes good chakra control, but all that control is only to his right hand, He doesnt have that kind of control anywhere else. So, good chakra control in just his right hand doesnt equal supirior chakra control. Neji can control the chakra at any of the chakra points on the body, even releasing the chakra "plus a spin equals roration defense" from any chakra point. So, its clear Neji has control over his chakra that naruto doesnt.

What? Sighs, naruto was in SM when he got blown away and when he got sucked up, Nuff Said! And thats why he didnt do any better than kakashi. Why? Simply becasue kakashi didnt let himself get caught with bansho tensai, but naruto did which costed him SM and the fight thus far.



SIghs, however, as you can see, Naruto has already noticed five pannels before he arrives giving him plenty time to jump and catch demon realm in mid attackahttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/430/16/. Lol, tsunade got to say a few lines two panles later after naruto noticed so it wasnt some instant jump. Lol, if naruto had such speed, he couldve just used it to easily out maneuver all the realms and win.


Ok lets see. Sasukes smart so he infiltrates the village and uses Karin "the free one" to destroy the Kage tower with tsunade and who ever else is in there. now, with that happening. All the shibobi including kakashi in that area pile in to the center of the village to see what happened to the kage building. After a good bit of shinobi gather around the destroyed kage building, realising tsunades dead. sasuke with karin by his side, uses Amaterasu on that samll area killing all the shinobi there within seconds and then karin lets sasuke bite her to heal the effects of his MS.

So, with kakashi, tsunade, lets say sakura, chouji, chouza and some foder ninja dead. And becasue sasuke used amaterasu in the middle of the village, the flames will spread out and cosume the whole village plus anything else until its put out, or runs out of feul to burn. Now, with suigetso and juugo taking fodder ninja, sasuke too I supose "without any jutsu or SG, just speed and his sword". Until naruto arrives to help, naruto sees sasuke realising he did this. Naruto then tells gama and the other two to go and help put out the flames "useless, lol" since naruto wants a one on one fight.

sasuke, with his SG then sees naruto amazing amount of chakra while karin is warning him about it as well. Sasuke: this much chakra is deadly, unlike last time against KB, im going to finish this quickly. So, after a couple seconds to plan, sasuke uses amaterasu and surrounds naruto with it then immediately bites karin again for healing "MS effects". Naruto with SM jumps up above the flames to escape the heat and sees sasuke with his hand up. However, sasuke counted on it. With the last of his chakra sasuke incenerates naruto wile saying "disapear with the thunder".

Thats all IM going to invest into this scenario, lol.
erm lets see its kinda clear u r a sauke fan,am not contradicting u,but if u wudnt mind i wud like to give some opinons too.
.even if naruto had a head start please take a look at the distance again.and look pain moving at rocket speed,he isnt just walking to tsunade.
.naruto faced pain alone,he defeated 7 with 2 revived and look how many people were dere with kakashi on deva realm.
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Vengeance
03-16-2009, 05:17 PM
I'd just like to point out that Neji sucks arse. Ok carry on :)

Dagoro
03-16-2009, 05:21 PM
I'd just like to point out that Neji sucks arse. Ok carry on :)

Might as well throw the entire Hyuga clan in that pile my friend.

Myth
03-16-2009, 05:39 PM
Pain wins this... Pain has already proven himself to be stronger then 6 tails & isn't even fighting with intent to kill. Plus if we allow Pain access to all of his bodies powers from the start this isn't even a fair match up. SM Naruto is good but he's not as good as Pain. SM Naruto lost to Pain a few chapters back now unless you're factoring in the Kyuubi you mite want to clarify that by stating this is a current Naruto & not just SM. SM implies that he's using Sage tecs not Kyuubi. Anyway doesn't matter ether way because Pain would pwn his arse along with all the toads.

Pain stronger then 6 tails??? would u perhaps like to show me where his strength is shown lol.. he used a jutsu called chibaku tensei which merely imprisoned the kyuubi it was never confirmed weather or not kyuubi could break from that jutsu because naruto started to tear the seal off right away. Pain is fighting like he wants to kill because he needs to capture naruto..

In the scenario mikey put up if konoha wasn't in rubble pain has no chance at all, only because the 2 frog sages could cast a genjutsu from a far and kill tendou pain the other 5 are useless..

That's why i even said are u sure he wanted that scenario if it was on an open feild like this naruto would prob take down 4 bodies but he'd prob fall to the last 2..

but if konoha isn't in rubble pains done for.

Vengeance
03-16-2009, 05:45 PM
Pain stronger then 6 tails??? would u perhaps like to show me where his strength is shown lol.. he used a jutsu called chibaku tensei which merely imprisoned the kyuubi it was never confirmed weather or not kyuubi could break from that jutsu because naruto started to tear the seal off right away. Pain is fighting like he wants to kill because he needs to capture naruto..

In the scenario mikey put up if konoha wasn't in rubble pain has no chance at all, only because the 2 frog sages could cast a genjutsu from a far and kill tendou pain the other 5 are useless..

That's why i even said are u sure he wanted that scenario if it was on an open feild like this naruto would prob take down 4 bodies but he'd prob fall to the last 2..

but if konoha isn't in rubble pains done for.
In the latest chapter he captured Naruto in a 6 tailed state & forced him into 8. I don't need anymore proof then that. Fair enough on the genjutsu bit. This would only work if Pain isn't aware that they are there in the first place. I doubt Pain would let thouse old toads out of his sight if he knew they were in the area.

Myth
03-16-2009, 05:48 PM
In the latest chapter he captured Naruto in a 6 tailed state & forced him into 8. I don't need anymore proof then that. Fair enough on the genjutsu bit. This would only work if Pain isn't aware that they are there in the first place. I doubt Pain would let thouse old toads out of his sight if he knew they were in the area.

he wouldn't have a choice if he got busy trying to one up the sages toads naruto would flaten him while gama and the rest flaten the others... all the frogs would need to do is leave quick. even if pain grabbed them naruto would zip by the rest with his speed and one up tendo, if the other bodies tried anything gamabuntan would just jump on em lol. In a normal konoha pain would lose against naruto but if konoha was like it is now pain would win but still lose bodies.

Really pain forced him not doubting i just forgetting it post up a link please so i see what u mean..

Vengeance
03-16-2009, 05:53 PM
he wouldn't have a choice if he got busy trying to one up the sages toads naruto would flaten him while gama and the rest flaten the others... all the frogs would need to do is leave quick. even if pain grabbed them naruto would zip by the rest with his speed and one up tendo, if the other bodies tried anything gamabuntan would just jump on em lol. In a normal konoha pain would lose against naruto but if konoha was like it is now pain would win but still lose bodies.

Really pain forced him not doubting i just forgetting it post up a link please so i see what u mean..
Pain can send Pa to the moon (literally) taking toad song out of the fight. God has proven that he could take out boss level toads by himself so those 3 fat bastards won't factor into this fight much. Now sense God has his powers early it means he'll be better equiped to deal with the massive summons. This allows Animal to be more useful since bunta wouldn't be able to do his tongue thing like his did in the actual manga. At the end of the day all Pain needs to do is send Naruto into outerspace & the fights over. Animal Realm would be able to handle the rest while God searches for Sage Toads.

Myth
03-16-2009, 06:07 PM
Pain can send Pa to the moon (literally) taking toad song out of the fight. God has proven that he could take out boss level toads by himself so those 3 fat bastards won't factor into this fight much. Now sense God has his powers early it means he'll be better equiped to deal with the massive summons. This allows Animal to be more useful since bunta wouldn't be able to do his tongue thing like his did in the actual manga. At the end of the day all Pain needs to do is send Naruto into outerspace & the fights over. Animal Realm would be able to handle the rest while God searches for Sage Toads.

u can't have it that way lol pain can't do 10 things in one shot since konoha isn't in rubble pa and ma can easily hide EASILY all naruto needs is to make a few shadow clones 3 as he says charge them at pain by the time pain blows the 3 away pa and ma are gone. toad song used tendo gone or pain can aim for the bigger toads as u said and worry that naruto would falten him right after since he easily can zip by the remaining 5. also gamabuntan tonuge palys no role cept for pulling summoner pain in after naruto threw him naruto was the one to kick the shit out of summoner pain inside gama.

TheSixthHokage
03-16-2009, 06:46 PM
Sometimes it sort of seems like Kishimoto hates Naruto because he always seems to have the most insanely powerful opponents.. Sasuke had Orochimaru and Deidera, wow, how terrifying... while Naruto has the #2 Akatsuki who rivals a god in power, whom he cannot even defeat having seemingly surpassed both his father and mentor. I however see 441-442 as Pain's defeat by a non-9T Naruto and with 1/2 speculated characters (Hinata and Kakashi) dying, definitely not both (get real).

Well Jiraiya < Pain; Naruto (Sage mode) > Jiraiya and 4th Hokage (according to Pa); so we can say that Pain = Naruto (Sage Mode) at least, so these two are officially the most powerful ninjas so far.

Mystik
03-16-2009, 06:48 PM
How does Jiraiya > pain again?

TheSixthHokage
03-16-2009, 06:57 PM
How does Jiraiya > pain again?

So sorry, I totally messed that up! :( I type way too quick sometimes and inevitably my posts sort of explode or implode on me.

Myth
03-16-2009, 07:42 PM
Surpass doesn't mean surpassing in over all ability surpass means talent wise meaning he has the talent to surpass certain shinobi that others cannot... like sasuke has the ability to surpass itachi doesnt mean he has yet but he will soon.. no where did fukasaku even say he surpassed minato or jiraiya check the correct trans and stop sleeping on one mangas crappy ones.l.

Minato proved this chapter what everyone said about him greatest hokage strongest leaf ninja a talent u would find once in a decade and that nobody like minato has been born before... minato namikaze too a huge shit on every shinobi in this series he literally made sure his spirit was locked in his sons mind somehow... he not only left 1 fail safe he even used himself as one...

Minato >alll nuff said unless someone else can find a way to lock themselves away with their son 17 years after he was suppose to be dead for good.

Pain is strong but he is there just to show naruto's growth and more he is nothing more then a target practice kishi created for naruto.. just like deidara was there to show us sasuke's growth..

TheSixthHokage
03-16-2009, 07:44 PM
I doubt that Naruto won't surpass Minato, he already combined Rasengan with Wind-natured Chakra, a feat his father could never do and Pa has admitted he has surpassed both Jiraiya and the Fourth in Senjutsu, so at this point Naruto is pretty insane. He obviously already deserves to be Hokage, if he's greater than the Fourth, it's questionable but he's sure getting there.

Dagoro
03-16-2009, 10:06 PM
Minato had 1 ability which put him above everyone and that was FTG. Seriously, the guy could warp himself.

Myth
03-16-2009, 10:31 PM
Minato had 1 ability which put him above everyone and that was FTG. Seriously, the guy could warp himself.

not even close he had talent way beyond anyone else forget his time space jutsu cause madara has one as well its what he did...

First of all he put down the kyuubi in ALL OF ITS 9 TAILS split its chakra created a fail safe scroll then sealed a part of himself into naruto as another fail safe. he created the rasengan he created FTG he created the death god jutsu taught it to sarutobi taught rasengan to jiraiya... i have yet to see anyone be as original as he was... death god itself is demon spirit the only way u can attain such a power as we have seen is through a dojutsu and a powerful one at that yet he created a death spirit. he took out an entire army himself and won a war basically alone.

He was called the greatest hokage for a reason as well as the strongest shinobi leaf has ever produced.. kyuubi looked like he saw a ghost when he saw minato again imagine standing near the very same man who out u away for good.

Kishi is slowly proving to us why jiraiya said nobody like minato has been born before.

but yes ur right the ftg itself puts him above all lol along with his other doings..

Not taking away anything from pain though he is a bad ass as well. he had a jutsu strong enough to compete with 6 tails not to shabby.

TheSixthHokage
03-16-2009, 10:33 PM
Um... what anime/manga have you been a fan of? If anything Naruto is slowly overcoming all previous standards and is becoming a shinobi that is comparable with his father at 16-17...

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-16-2009, 10:39 PM
Lol. Taka does suck.

@KYF

I can't help but noticed that all your scenarios concerning Naruto begin by him making a KB than proceeding to get owned by his enemy's abilitities. Its not even funny how ridiculously bias you are man, seriously tone it down.

Its all about Manga feats, scenarios mean nothing. I can formulate a scenarion in which tenten destroys the entire ninja world combined , but we all know manga doesn't support that. So think before you drown yourself in baseless speculations.



LMAO! I didnt use manga fact, lol. i used sasuke wit, one free kirin, two amaterasus and another kirin coupled with Karin at his side to quickly heal the MSs side effects while suigetso and juugo werew fighting the village. And after noticing the huge amount of chakra naruto had, sasuke planned to end the fight immediatly and did with manga fact abilities. You keep talking about scenario as if its the reason sasuke could do what he did. I mean am I supposed to dumb down sasuke to make naruto and the other leaf shinobi look good? Dude, you gave me the rules and I followed them. How else am I suppose to use sasukes abilities other than the most advantageuos way?

Im sorry, where are the pannels showing Naruto runing there while tsunade was speaking ??



Not all battles flow at ridiculous speeds. Naruto vs Sasuke at vote was a fight where both were moving really fast. Naruto vs Pein was a totally diffent situation. So many variables were present at the field, summons, reviving techs etc. Still Naruto took down 5 bodies in no time.

BTW, you want pannels showing Naruto's speed ?? here .
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/415/14/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/415/15/

Oh, and since Pannel counting = speed according to you allow me to show why KB is the flash in the Narutoverse.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/015/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/016/

Notice how in one pannels he is fighting taka, than a second later he is a mountain away from them. Now thats some pannel speed.
Lol, KB had ample time to escape through the smoke and end up behind that hill "w/e it was". It didnt take one pannel, it took 4. So, adding your assumtion of one second through 4 panels is seriously unlikely.

Now, heres speed!http://onemanga.com/Naruto/86/01/
http://onemanga.com/Naruto/357/08/ Lol, the best part about this one is that not only does kishi show the speed, but Deidara confirms it.

So, 5 panels later after two speeches without showing or even having anyone confirm the speed at least. its not that fast!

thank you for shutting ur big mouth after good that u did cause i just used ur own proof against u lol...

edit: yes mikey the clown did mean all the things whats worse he quoted something from me and left out the next part of the post in his sig to try and pass it off like i fucked up that bad lol its a good thing i re-posted the entire post a few pages back..

if pain fought naruto in sage mode under that condition and konoha wasn't in rubbles naruto would win for 1 simple reason the toads would hide and cast genjutsu and tendo thus killing him the other 5 are easy pickings.

First Off, LMAO, the toads would hide becasue myth said so. For what reason would they hide this time? EVen if they did and deva died, hell would just resurect him. Naruto in SM cant beat all six realms of pain for crying out load.

Second, you said and I quote: "itachi only lost because he was weak due to him splitting power with naruto". Now, how can anything else justify this. 1. itachi was going to lose wether he was at 100 percent because that was his plan. 2. What in the world would make you think itachi could give half of his power to anyone, much less naruto.

Lol, and then you went and made some shit up and posted it like a 11 yr old instead of just admintting not only did you say it "which is the whole reason I brought it up", but that you made a mistake or missjudged. Lol, I took that crap down becuase about you because IM not 11 yrs old lol. You can make up all the crap you want, but you said that.

Myth
03-16-2009, 10:50 PM
First Off, LMAO, the toads would hide becasue myth said so. For what reason would they hide this time? EVen if they did and deva died, hell would just resurect him. Naruto in SM cant beat all six realms of pain for crying out load.
he would murder those 5 if god pain was gone don't even try and argue that fact he is faster then a guy who used rockets to move and had a head start.. one rasenshuriken would taken care of them all naruto has to do to hungry ghost is miss a punch and kill him lol followed by hell realm 1 by 1 they all go down.. as i said i agree if konoha is in rubble pain would win but still lose mass bodies if its not in rubble its the worst case for pain. why would the toads hide why not lol... safety first

Second, you said and I quote: "itachi only lost because he was weak due to him splitting power with naruto". Now, how can anything else justify this. 1. itachi was going to lose wether he was at 100 percent because that was his plan. 2. What in the world would make you think itachi could give half of his power to anyone, much less naruto. right i don't disagree with that but then in that same post the next paragraph contained proof to why i said that from words spoken by both zetsu and amdara... u fail to realize i never denied anything i just simply re posted what u didn't quote to make ur sig look cool..

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-16-2009, 11:25 PM
[QUOTE]he would murder those 5 if god pain was gone don't even try and argue that fact he is faster then a guy who used rockets to move and had a head start.. one rasenshuriken would taken care of them all naruto has to do to hungry ghost is miss a punch and kill him lol followed by hell realm 1 by 1 they all go down.. as i said i agree if konoha is in rubble pain would win but still lose mass bodies if its not in rubble its the worst case for pain. why would the toads hide why not lol... safety firstYour forgetting that a not demolished village means naruto would have to hold back for not only the village, but anyone around that could get hurt due to him spamming RS's, rasengans and the toads battling. Dont say that wouldnt happen because narutos already showed he cares for his comrades thus moving to a different area of the forrest in the Gaara arc.


right i don't disagree with that but then in that same post the next paragraph contained proof to why i said that from words spoken by both zetsu and amdara... u fail to realize i never denied anything i just simply re posted what u didn't quote to make ur sig look cool..

What do you mean proof? No one ever said anything to suggest itachi split his power with naruto causing him to lose to sasuke. Lol, I was prepared for another sig battle and I have something nice for you, lol. Now, you can quit being a baby and take down your, or ill put up mine, lol. Sighs, I wonder how this will turn out.

Myth
03-16-2009, 11:37 PM
Your forgetting that a not demolished village means naruto would have to hold back for not only the village, but anyone around that could get hurt due to him spamming RS's, rasengans and the toads battling. Dont say that wouldnt happen because narutos already showed he cares for his comrades thus moving to a different area of the forrest in the Gaara arc.

1 frs would do damage i know but not as bad as shinara tensei trust me to save the village its a measure which will be needed


What do you mean proof? No one ever said anything to suggest itachi split his power with naruto causing him to lose to sasuke. Lol, I was prepared for another sig battle and I have something nice for you, lol. Now, you can quit being a baby and take down your, or ill put up mine, lol. Sighs, I wonder how this will turn out.U can put up w/e u want lol i already told u here are the links to why i said what i said. u can check the original post they are the same..

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/401/14/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/401/01/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/401/02/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/394/06/

thats what led me to say what i said if using medicine to prolong his life means he was in good shape ur wrong it means indirectly that he was suppose to die long ago..

same for zetsu saying that wasn't his true power..

U can put up w/e u want but remember i wasn't the one who said

"Lol, I took that crap down becuase about you because IM not 11 yrs old lol"

U also made no sense there lol. and nothing could be as embarrassing as what u wrote in my sig lol..

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-16-2009, 11:55 PM
[QUOTE]1 frs would do damage i know but not as bad as shinara tensei trust me to save the village its a measure which will be neededLol, now naruto in SM is selfish as well. He doesnt follow his feelings, lol. Do you realise what your saying here about naruto?


U can put up w/e u want lol i already told u here are the links to why i said what i said. u can check the original post they are the same..

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/401/14/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/401/01/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/401/02/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/394/06/

thats what led me to say what i said if using medicine to prolong his life means he was in good shape ur wrong it means indirectly that he was suppose to die long ago..

same for zetsu saying that wasn't his true power..
Sighs, how does any of those comments justify the thought that not only itachi lost to sasuke because, which could only mean you were saying itachi was fighting to win something when he wasnt. And saying itachi halved his power with naurto has nothing to do with waht madara or zetsu said. Sighs, do you see what Im saying here.

U can put up w/e u want but remember i wasn't the one who said

"Lol, I took that crap down becuase about you because IM not 11 yrs old lol"

U also made no sense there lol. Ah, your right, oh well, this shits too funny to not post, lol.

Myth
03-17-2009, 12:18 AM
Lol, now naruto in SM is selfish as well. He doesnt follow his feelings, lol. Do you realise what your saying here about naruto?Just to show u up in front of the entire forum once again i'll do this.. its called a VS THREAD FOR MANGA where u create fights and THEORETICALLY draw up a way for ur fighter to win.. so theoretically if naruto had a choice let pain killu and destroy the village or use one frs and cause REPARABLE dmamge which 1 do u think he will take.



Sighs, how does any of those comments justify the thought that not only itachi lost to sasuke because, which could only mean you were saying itachi was fighting to win something when he wasnt. And saying itachi halved his power with naurto has nothing to do with waht madara or zetsu said. Sighs, do you see what Im saying here.I know saying he halfed his power has nothing to do with it.. but as always u miss the point lol those posts where made for u to see that itachi was well below 100% if he actually needed medicine in order to live till his fight meaning without the medicine he would be dead right. now i based my point from there, and say he was at 50% after splitting some of his power, because if he would have died without the medicine it already means he was in a very shitty state and splitting some power did it worse... thats all there was in my post just in a very short form. why else do u think nobody called me out on it do u really think ur so brilliant and only u noticed something like that.. everyone else understood..

Ah, your right, oh well, this shits too funny to not post, lol.I know im right i always am when it comes to ur posts ppl are in shock after reading my sig trust me they commented on it :D

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-17-2009, 02:38 AM
[QUOTE]Just to show u up in front of the entire forum once again i'll do this.. its called a VS THREAD FOR MANGA where u create fights and THEORETICALLY draw up a way for ur fighter to win.. so theoretically if naruto had a choice let pain killu and destroy the village or use one frs and cause REPARABLE dmamge which 1 do u think he will take. You showed me, lol. You proved how ignorant you and naruto are. Why would naruto destroy the village when he can just lead pain away, like he did with gaara, lol. Wait, I forgot naruto isnt that much faster in SM. Well, we do know he can jump high as hell so he could jump hs way away from the village while leading pain.

I know saying he halfed his power has nothing to do with it.. but as always u miss the point lol those posts where made for u to see that itachi was well below 100% if he actually needed medicine in order to live till his fight meaning without the medicine he would be dead right. now i based my point from there, and say he was at 50% after splitting some of his power, because if he would have died without the medicine it already means he was in a very shitty state and splitting some power did it worse... thats all there was in my post just in a very short form. why else do u think nobody called me out on it do u really think ur so brilliant and only u noticed something like that.. everyone else understood..
Trust me, I know what you said, you know what you said, the forum by now knows what you said. Im the only one that noticed, no, no one else wants to bother trying to argue about it with you. Well, exept me because your my best bud...

I know im right i always am when it comes to ur posts ppl are in shock after reading my sig trust me they commented on it :D LMAO, Mystics the only one that commented one the damn thing and all she daid was its too big, that it makes it hard to know where the post ends, lol. Oh no, i have been discraced by you BS sig of out of context and made up crap, lol.

Here watch what I can do.

lamps123
03-17-2009, 06:38 AM
naruto fighting to take pain in for questioning.
easy he wud just do his rasengan smoke bombs and take the weakest realm into buntas mouth,rasengan his legs and hands destroying them so he cant move or do any seal with his hands.simple

popion
03-17-2009, 06:40 AM
naruto fighting to take pain in for questioning.
easy he wud just do his rasengan smoke bombs and take the weakest realm into buntas mouth,rasengan his legs and hands destroying them so he cant move or do any seal with his hands.simple
loool
pain would obliterate him (can you say overkill???)
pain has shown that he is more than capabile of destroying naruto even in SM

Myth
03-17-2009, 04:44 PM
You showed me, lol. You proved how ignorant you and naruto are. Why would naruto destroy the village when he can just lead pain away, like he did with gaara, lol. Wait, I forgot naruto isnt that much faster in SM. Well, we do know he can jump high as hell so he could jump hs way away from the village while leading pain.


Trust me, I know what you said, you know what you said, the forum by now knows what you said. Im the only one that noticed, no, no one else wants to bother trying to argue about it with you. Well, exept me because your my best bud...

LMAO, Mystics the only one that commented one the damn thing and all she daid was its too big, that it makes it hard to know where the post ends, lol. Oh no, i have been discraced by you BS sig of out of context and made up crap, lol.

Here watch what I can do.

aks darago mikey and a fe others whats good about that sig lolololol to everything else i don't feel like bothering with u everyone knows ur a waste of time i have yet to see anyone finish a debate with u not that they never finished it lol its just that ur to dumb to realize when u lost...

Now ur saying the crap in my sig is made up wow ur are beyond delusional shall i post the links to those posts... lol but the best part of my sig is the last line where u said "U never make anything up" thats was the icing on the cake lol.

Vengeance
03-17-2009, 04:46 PM
I'd just like to point out that I'm the best debater here when I'm serious.

*Runz & hides in a corner*

PS: All Hyuuga's suck arse!!!!

PPS: What kind of moron would think that Gate Lee is faster then Minato... That's just retarded fanning...

Ironclad
03-17-2009, 04:53 PM
Rock Lee is just faster than the human eye. Minato could friggin' teleport like Raiden at will almost.

Vengeance
03-17-2009, 04:54 PM
Rock Lee is just faster than the human eye. Minato could friggin' teleport like Raiden at will almost.
I wonder who's faster pre-time skip Gated Lee or current Sasuke.

superninja
03-17-2009, 05:17 PM
Gated Lee is faster than Sasuke and Sage mode Naruto in my humble opinion.

Myth
03-17-2009, 05:24 PM
Gated Lee is faster than Sasuke and Sage mode Naruto in my humble opinion.

probably true.

Vengeance
03-17-2009, 05:30 PM
Sasuke needs to come to Konoha already so he could f*** up Neji. That's one beat down I'm dieing to see.

Myth
03-17-2009, 05:34 PM
Sasuke needs to come to Konoha already so he could f*** up Neji. That's one beat down I'm dieing to see.

Ur insane neji will pawn all with his mighty kaiten... nothing can stop him and his most PERFECT CHAKRA CONTROL IN THE NARUTOVERSE.

Vengeance
03-17-2009, 05:41 PM
Ur insane neji will pawn all with his mighty kaiten... nothing can stop him and his most PERFECT CHAKRA CONTROL IN THE NARUTOVERSE.
LMAO did KYF hack your account?? J/K :D

superninja
03-17-2009, 08:13 PM
team 8 Hinata, kiba & akamaru, Shino vs team 10 Ino, chouji ,shikamaru team 10

no restrictions

setting: plains, wide open area

my bet is on team 8

I also give this to team 8. First Shino sends his swarm of bugs, then Kiba and Akamaru become a giant two headed wolf and charge towards Ino, Shika, Chouji. Hinata follows behind Kibakamaru to clean it up. Shikamaru won't be able to stop Kiba in his wolf form just with his shadow, Chouji might try because he is pretty big himself, but that wouldn't work.
Once Kibakamaru has made a mess of the place, Hinata targets someone with her gentle fist. Shino backs her up with his bugs, aiming for Shikamaru so he can't hold Hinata with the shadow. Hinata beats Chouji and Ino, with the help from Kiba and Akamaru. Akamaru on Ino, and Hinata and Kiba go for Chouji. (Kiba and Akamaru have separated).

Killerbee Vs God Pein

If Yahiko Pein uses that "black hole" he used against six tails Naruto, then Killerbee would probably lose - but - Killerbee can think like a human when he is fighting in the demon form. So Killerbeee might avoid that jutsu if he sees it coming. Killerbee has good chances to destroy Deva realm, the fight would go like this : Killerbee attacks Yahiko with his swords, Yahiko blasts him away. Killerbee goes eight tails and charges towards Yahiko body. Yahiko tries to blast him away, but he fails. Killerbee either kills Yahiko there, or Yahiko runs away to get closer to Nagato.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-17-2009, 08:34 PM
I'd just like to point out that I'm the best debater here when I'm serious.

*Runz & hides in a corner*

PS: All Hyuuga's suck arse!!!!

PPS: What kind of moron would think that Gate Lee is faster then Minato... That's just retarded fanning...

1. I cant believe your still whinning about that, lol, Your 25 yrs old dude. Drop it already!

2. You do realise you got that infos from namikaze-laze-myth, right. The fool who thinks itachi gave half of his power to naruto resulting in itachis loss to sasuke, lol. Either way your right, it would be moronic to believe what myth says, lol.

Ur insane neji will pawn all with his mighty kaiten... nothing can stop him and his most PERFECT CHAKRA CONTROL IN THE NARUTOVERSE. And then naruto could blitzs in with his ability to fly like superman until, Oh, looks like narutos was too slow to get there in time. Sighs, super speed just isnt what it used to be. Maybe plots working against him, LMAO!!!



BOT: Ten Ten vs Naruto base?

superninja
03-17-2009, 09:05 PM
Tenten vs Naruto base - Naruto makes 100 clones, Tenten throws her mass weapons at them. Naruto wins eventually, either by sending one clone through or by exhausting her. Another option is that Naruto uses a frog summon, that should give him some cover from Tenten's range attacks.

New fight: Zabuza vs Shikamaru

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-17-2009, 09:17 PM
Shikamaru is intelligent, but that wont stop zabuza from using his silent kill jutsu to take shika out IMO. Shika needs more speed to win this fight.

superninja
03-17-2009, 09:26 PM
Finally, I found someone from shipuden who is strong, but who is weaker than Zabuza.

OK, then Chouji and Shikamaru vs Zabuza

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-17-2009, 09:38 PM
Finally, I found someone from shipuden who is strong, but who is weaker than Zabuza.

OK, then Chouji and Shikamaru vs Zabuza

Choujis slow too though. Well, lol, im rather sure shika could win if he used chouji as a disposible decoy, to draw out zabuzas attack while getting chouji out of the way and then catch him with shadow posession. After that, have zabuza snuff himself, lol.

Myth
03-17-2009, 09:39 PM
Zabuza would kill them both if shika had time to prepare then they would in.

kluang
03-18-2009, 06:25 AM
Ok 3 vs 3

team hebi except Sasuke just that kid from the black lagoon, miss vampire and frankistien twin bro

vs Neji, Lee and Tenten (fast pace close combat kungfu ninja)

dragonnik
03-18-2009, 09:20 AM
Ok 3 vs 3

team hebi except Sasuke just that kid from the black lagoon, miss vampire and frankistien twin bro

vs Neji, Lee and Tenten (fast pace close combat kungfu ninja)
I guess those Vampire guys..
Thy are way powerful thn lee n Neji...tenten i dont consider at all..

What about Shikamaru Vs Sasori?..(I don't knw if this was discussed tooooooo looong thread)
I say shikamaru....First sew him thn use explode tags..Sasori is pwnd..big time..:D

Vengeance
03-18-2009, 10:25 AM
Finally, I found someone from shipuden who is strong, but who is weaker than Zabuza.

OK, then Chouji and Shikamaru vs Zabuza
Let's add in Ino-pig as well. Zabuza still wins this easily.

Zabuza vs. Asuma would be a better fight though Zabuza would probably still win based on elements & skill level.

Ok 3 vs 3

team hebi except Sasuke just that kid from the black lagoon, miss vampire and frankistien twin bro

vs Neji, Lee and Tenten (fast pace close combat kungfu ninja)
Tenten really hasn't fought in the manga so against Karin I'd have to say she'd lose. Karin showed high level speeds during the Killerbee fight when she rushed into battle to save Sasuke. This is unfortunately more then anything Tenten has actually done. Juugo could easily takeout Neji with his CS transformations & fuuton element while Suigetsu's water body would give him a great advantage over Rock Lee. This fight really depends on who is fighting who. Neji can’t beat Juugo but he may be able to beat Suigetsu. Lee can’t beat Suigetsu but may be fast enough to hold off Juugo long enough for Neji to take out Suigetsu(teamwork would be required to take down Juugo). Still I gotta give this one to team Hebi.

I guess those Vampire guys..
Thy are way powerful thn lee n Neji...tenten i dont consider at all..

What about Shikamaru Vs Sasori?..(I don't knw if this was discussed tooooooo looong thread)
I say shikamaru....First sew him thn use explode tags..Sasori is pwnd..big time..:D
Waaaa you can't be serious... Shikamaru isn't fast enough he doesn't stand a chance no matter how long he plans. Once Shikamaru is face to face with Sasori the fight would be over in less then one second.

superninja
03-18-2009, 12:20 PM
Juugo, Karin and Suigetsu vs Rock Lee, Neji and Tenten - Rock Lee, Neji and Tenten win.

Rock Lee and Neji are really strong, why do you think they were away from Konoha when Pein attacked? So they don't get any action. Because if we knew how strong they are, then this whole situation where Naruto fights Pein's bodies alone would make even less sense.

Lee and Neji storm through Juugo and Suigetsu with taijutsu. The only thing I fear here is that Karin has some sort of genjutsu, you know - because she is physically weak. But, that would imply that Karin will not be in the front lines so Tenten can aim at her.

Shikamaru vs Sasori - Sasori is the worst opponent for Shika. But, Shika could put up a fight if he had: antidotes, knew all about Sasori's fighting style, prepared the fighting location with traps before the fight started. Shika can attack physically with his shadow, so he is not helpless against the puppets.

Vengeance
03-18-2009, 01:04 PM
Juugo, Karin and Suigetsu vs Rock Lee, Neji and Tenten - Rock Lee, Neji and Tenten win.

Rock Lee and Neji are really strong, why do you think they were away from Konoha when Pein attacked? So they don't get any action. Because if we knew how strong they are, then this whole situation where Naruto fights Pein's bodies alone would make even less sense.
I disagree with this section. Granted had team Gai been in Konoha & were able to help Kakashi when he needed it team Gai along with Kakashi would of been able to take out God Realm before Naruto got there. Does this mean Lee & Neji are uber powerful? No it means Gai wouldn't of let his rival stand alone against such a powerful foe. You have to remember that it wasn't just Lee & Neji that had to be removed but also Gai & Yamato. These two are the elites not Neji or Lee.

Lee and Neji storm through Juugo and Suigetsu with taijutsu. The only thing I fear here is that Karin has some sort of genjutsu, you know - because she is physically weak. But, that would imply that Karin will not be in the front lines so Tenten can aim at her.
Are you basing this off of any facts at all? Juugo can shoot Fuuton like blast from his hands when using his CS transformations. If Neji were to attack Juugo it'll prove fatal because Juugo is faster, stronger, & has mid-long range attacks that can be executed without hand signs. If Neji were to rush Juugo he'd dodge & blast him with wind gust. Once Neji is off balance Juugo could rush in for a 1 hit kill. Simply put Neji isn't fast enough or versitile enough to handle Juugo.

Suigetsu's body makes him an Anti-Taijutsu type of person. This is not the type of fighter you can just punch & expect a quick finish. If Lee were to attack Suigetsu he could get his arm, or leg trapped removing any type of speed advantage he mite have. Once traped Suigetsu would make short work of Lee.

Actually you're assumption on Karin is miss placed. She may not have fought however nether has Tenten. Karin has however showed great speeds during the KillerBee fight which would prove useful in dodging randomly thrown ninja weapons. Karin can also heal the group which is something Team Neji doesn't have. Karin is a chakra sensor type which is a useful counter to Neji's eyes in terms of ambushing. In short with Karin on there team it would be impossible for team Neji to set up an ambush because she'll know the location of every ninja in the area. All & all Karin would be allot more useful when compared to Tenten.

To say that Neji & Lee are capable of running through Juugo & Suigetsu like nothing is complete & utter nonsense. This is why I said it depends on who is attacking who & even then Juugo may prove to much for even Lee's speed if they were to switch opponents.


Shikamaru vs Sasori - Sasori is the worst opponent for Shika. But, Shika could put up a fight if he had: antidotes, knew all about Sasori's fighting style, prepared the fighting location with traps before the fight started. Shika can attack physically with his shadow, so he is not helpless against the puppets.
Even if we take away all poison from Sasori's weapons Shikamaru still doesn't stand a chance in hell.

superninja
03-18-2009, 01:45 PM
Neji can see everything about them, the fact Juugo doesn't do any hand seals doesn't help him against Neji since Neji can see his chakra flow, so Neji knows what is going on. Also, all we have seen Suigetsu and Juugo do was taijutsu with some weird abilities like turning into cs2 (Juugo) or manipulating parts of their body (Suigetsu).
I think Neji's and Lee's taijutsu is better and that is all I can think of, no strategies, they just beat them with taijutsu. Suigetsu can avoid some hits by turning himself into water, but for how long? Neji can inject his chakra into him, or Lee can just beat that water out of him. Juugo will also get beaten by Neji and Lee. The end.