Chouji's opponents post were some ink paintings, Kakazu, & God. Lee fought Kisame & a clone of himself. Chouji's post fighting compared to Lee was far more impressive as Lee showed no improvement & actually looked weaker then before.

Chouji has shown more improvement in ability then most of the other genin. His size manipulation has drastically improved when compared to part 1. Allot of the things that he could only do while on drugs he could do normally. Imagine if Chouji actually uses the drugs post with his current ability set. He'd be kicking major arse.

Its always the most inconsequential characters that seem to show the most improvement.

Choji is big and strong but he is slow. That's his only weakness. Honestly, anybody's growth in the village is now going to pale terribly compared to Naruto, and that is what will happen making all the others seem even more inconsequential to the plot until maybe the climax. :D

Chouji's opponents post were some ink paintings, Kakazu, & God. Lee fought Kisame & a clone of himself. Chouji's post fighting compared to Lee was far more impressive as Lee showed no improvement & actually looked weaker then before.

Chouji has shown more improvement in ability then most of the other genin. His size manipulation has drastically improved when compared to part 1. Allot of the things that he could only do while on drugs he could do normally. Imagine if Chouji actually uses the drugs post with his current ability set. He'd be kicking major arse.

Rock Lee however has insane speed, which has probably increase far more, and most likely he can open even more gates. Chouji has some nice abilities but I think he could be killed before he could manipulate them personally. Plus Rock Lee is at least funny, Chouji just makes me hate butterflies.

The only thing Chouji can kill is my apetite...
haha lolllllllll

Chouji vs Lee

Rock Lee however has insane speed, which has probably increase far more, and most likely he can open even more gates. Chouji has some nice abilities but I think he could be killed before he could manipulate them personally. Plus Rock Lee is at least funny, Chouji just makes me hate butterflies.
Lee seemed slower to me post timeskip. I think he's actually weaker then he was during the chunin exams. As for opening gates Chouji has drugs for that.

Lee seemed slower to me post timeskip. I think he's actually weaker then he was during the chunin exams. As for opening gates Chouji has drugs for that.

I don't think he is at all, he has overcome it. The normal speed, without taking weights off, of Lee would totally overcome Chouji and taijutsu versus taijutsu essentially, Lee would dominate. Those Akimichi soldier pills are as bad as opening the chakra gates. If we can agree using either would equate to a negative position, no matter what happens and simply analyze their base capabilities, Lee would win, but probaly not without a serious battle.

If Chouji uses his pill hax then he would be able to beat Lee. But if Lee opens 5 or 6 gates, Lee would win.

I don't think he is at all, he has overcome it. The normal speed, without taking weights off, of Lee would totally overcome Chouji and taijutsu versus taijutsu essentially, Lee would dominate. Those Akimichi soldier pills are as bad as opening the chakra gates. If we can agree using either would equate to a negative position, no matter what happens and simply analyze their base capabilities, Lee would win, but probaly not without a serious battle.
You don't just overcome having your bones shattered into hundreds of pieces in 3 years. An injury like that would have permanent effects on a person even if it healed. Unless Lee decided to wear weights on a mission to rescue a Kage (would by the way be extremely stupid of him to do) Lee just seemed slow. Tenten & Neji were at his speed range. What Chouji lacks in speed he makes up for in power & Size. Chouji also isn't that slow it's a simple matter of judging your opponents speed & countering as he strikes. Chouji doesn’t have to chase after Lee. Chouji could also disrupt Lee’s running by smashing the ground creating small tremors while braking apart the ground.

In their base forms, Lee > Choji.

The only thing Choji has for him is his offensive power.

Lee is faster and if he removes his weights, there's no way sloth boy will ever catch him. Plus Lee's taijutsu skills are far superior to Choji's so his attacks will be deadlier.

Comparing the two of them is like comparing Sakura to Non-Sage Naruto. Like Sakura, the only advantage Choji has is destructive strength, but if it comes down to serious skills, just like her, hed get his ass handed to him.

In their base forms, Lee > Choji.

The only thing Choji has for him is his offensive power.

Lee is faster and if he removes his weights, there's no way sloth boy will ever catch him. Plus Lee's taijutsu skills are far superior to Choji's so his attacks will be deadlier.

Comparing the two of them is like comparing Sakura to Non-Sage Naruto. Like Sakura, the only advantage Choji has is destructive strength, but if it comes down to serious skills, just like her, hed get his ass handed to him.
Unlike Lee Chouji has actual manga feats post timeskip to show he's improved. Where as all Lee has post are signs that he's slower & hasn't learned anything new post. But it's ok people hate the fat kid because of Kakashi's so called death.

Lee had a terrible showing in P2, Chouji's wasn't at all great but not Lee lvl bad. P1 was better for Lee than Chouji.

In a fight i would give it to lee in overall battle capability and skill 8/10 over Chouji. Chouji becomes 100x stronger after ingesting the red pill so will give him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to a chance of winning.

Chouji can get really big, so I don't know how much damage Lee's punches would cause.
But Lee should be faster, Lee can hit Chouji a couple of times before Chouji realizes what's going on. If Lee gets drunk, then Lee would do some weird things. He would dance over Chouji literally because Chouji would be big. :)

Unlike Lee Chouji has actual manga feats post timeskip to show he's improved. Where as all Lee has post are signs that he's slower & hasn't learned anything new post. But it's ok people hate the fat kid because of Kakashi's so called death.

While I agree that Lee has had no manga feat to prove that he has improved, but what little we have seen of Choji doesn't imply, atleast to me, that he has improved significantly. Pre timeskip, Choji was weaker than Lee. Plus, Lee trains 100 times more than Choji, and has achieved whatever he has on hard work alone. Dont tell me you think he slowed down on his training all these years.

So yes, while Lee has not had a major fight to prove his improved fighting prowess, I'd still like to think that he's stronger.

P.S. What manga feat are you talking about when you refer to Choji? The Kakuzu and Pain fights. Please, Choji didn't really do anything that great to imply that he is stronger than Lee.

While I agree that Lee has had no manga feat to prove that he has improved, but what little we have seen of Choji doesn't imply, atleast to me, that he has improved significantly. Pre timeskip, Choji was weaker than Lee. Plus, Lee trains 100 times more than Choji, and has achieved whatever he has on hard work alone. Dont tell me you think he slowed down on his training all these years.

So yes, while Lee has not had a major fight to prove his improved fighting prowess, I'd still like to think that he's stronger.

P.S. What manga feat are you talking about when you refer to Choji? The Kakuzu and Pain fights. Please, Choji didn't really do anything that great to imply that he is stronger than Lee.
His body manipulation abilities & the number of jutsu he's able to use when compared to part one has improved greatly. Even if they didn't work on opponents like Kakazu & God (who by the way are kage level) It doesn't mean they wouldn't work on a lesser opponent such as Lee. Chouji's confidence has also greatly improved which was his major weakness pre time skip. I'm sticking with Lee's injury being more serious then allot of you want to believe until it's shown otherwise. Post timeskip Lee speed was comparable to fucking Tenten for crying out loud. Sorry but Lee just isn’t the same as during the chunin exams.

Post timeskip Lee speed was comparable to fucking Tenten for crying out loud. Sorry but Lee just isn’t the same as during the chunin exams.

LOL.......now thats a serious insult.

His body manipulation abilities & the number of jutsu he's able to use when compared to part one has improved greatly. Even if they didn't work on opponents like Kakazu & God (who by the way are kage level) It doesn't mean they wouldn't work on a lesser opponent such as Lee. Chouji's confidence has also greatly improved which was his major weakness pre time skip. I'm sticking with Lee's injury being more serious then allot of you want to believe until it's shown otherwise.

Lee was lame all throughout the pre timeskip period. It was only that one fight with Gaara which made him look cool since we saw his true potential. Its the same today. If Lee were to remove his weights, his speed would increase dramatically and if he went Gate Mode, then he'd also be insanely strong. Thats like comparing Choji with his pills.

That's why I said, in base form Lee > Choji.

LOL.......now thats a serious insult.



Lee was lame all throughout the pre timeskip period. It was only that one fight with Gaara which made him look cool since we saw his true potential. Its the same today. If Lee were to remove his weights, his speed would increase dramatically and if he went Gate Mode, then he'd also be insanely strong. Thats like comparing Choji with his pills.

That's why I said, in base form Lee > Choji.
Why would Lee wear weights on a mission to rescue a Kage?

Answer is he wouldn't!!! Lee wasn't wearing weights when he fought Kisame. This is the fight I'm basing his speed on. Lee was no faster then Tenten at this time.

Why would Lee wear weights on a mission to rescue a Kage?

Answer is he wouldn't!!! Lee wasn't wearing weights when he fought Kisame. This is the fight I'm basing his speed on. Lee was no faster then Tenten at this time.

Lee wore his weights all the time, mission or no mission. It was like his secret weapon. What does rescuing Gaara have to do with that ??

Why should he move at full speed knowing full well that only Gai could match his speed? That would just be stupidity and showboating. Comparing him to Tenten is ridiculous.

This is like saying, Naruto is not stronger than Sakura because he doesn't have the strength to stop her from hitting him. It's not like that.

Lee wore his weights all the time, mission or no mission. It was like his secret weapon. What does rescuing Gaara have to do with that ??
It’s an extremely important mission to rescue a Kage (important political figure) who once saved his life (comrade in arms). I think that meets Lee's nindu don't you? Lee wouldn't of worn weights for this mission since he knew how powerful Gaara was yet he was defeated. The level of opponents they were chasing warrants no weights. Do you honestly think they'll give Lee a timeout to take them off? Seriously now use your head Lee couldn’t of been wearing weights that arc.

Why should he move at full speed knowing full well that only Gai could match his speed? That would just be stupidity and showboating. Comparing him to Tenten is ridiculous.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/257/15/ & http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/257/17/ All 3 of those morons were to slow & got caught in that jutsu. Lee not going full speed would be a waste of his talents. Tenten is a ranged fighter & shouldn't be getting into the frey in the first place. This allows Lee to play front man with Gai while Neji stay in the middle between Lee/Gai & Tenten. If Lee is able to fight Next to Gai then he should.

This is like saying, Naruto is not stronger than Sakura because he doesn't have the strength to stop her from hitting him. It's not like that.
No it's me saying that Lee hasn't improved at all post timeskip. Which is actually true if you read the manga.

It’s an extremely important mission to rescue a Kage (important political figure) who once saved his life (comrade in arms). I think that meets Lee's nindu don't you? Lee wouldn't of worn weights for this mission since he knew how powerful Gaara was yet he was defeated. The level of opponents they were chasing warrants no weights. Do you honestly think they'll give Lee a timeout to take them off? Seriously now use your head Lee couldn’t of been wearing weights that arc.


http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/257/15/ & http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/257/17/ All 3 of those morons were to slow & got caught in that jutsu. Lee not going full speed would be a waste of his talents. Tenten is a ranged fighter & shouldn't be getting into the frey in the first place. This allows Lee to play front man with Gai while Neji stay in the middle between Lee/Gai & Tenten. If Lee is able to fight Next to Gai then he should.


No it's me saying that Lee hasn't improved at all post timeskip. Which is actually true if you read the manga.

1. As I said, Lee wore the weights all the time. It was not something he planned before hand for specific occasions. He wore it all the time as it would enhance his movement. It was just that he removed them for special occasions. Surely you must have understood that by now.

2. We have seen in-numerous times in this manga, that a person's abilities are useless when hes destined to fall in trouble. Like how Naruto's amazing entrance paled in comparison to the lame way in which he got crucified. Kishi never really pays attention to things like that. He does things for fun once, only to very conveniently forget it later on.
Lee might not have wanted to run away. Also, he didn't have the time or the presence of mind to remove his weights, since this time the opponent totally outclassed him, and he was no match for him.

3. That was obviously a metaphor.

Next Fight.

Killerbee vs Naruto. (By this I mean both at the fullest extent of their current capabilities, which includes Bijuus and Sage Mode).

Naruto.

Both are demon containers so if Naruto's demon form wouldn't help him, nor would Killer Bee's, so it'd be about base. I am not sure anyone can match Naruto in Sage Mode 1 on 1, the only reason why Deva Path survived was because of the Shinra Tensei and its 5 second recharge.

Killerbee vs Naruto. (By this I mean both at the fullest extent of their current capabilities, which includes Bijuus and Sage Mode).

Current Naruto vs KB

I give it to Naruto 7/10.

even base Naruto can go toe to toe with KB. Kb is faster but Naruto counters that with KB/rasengan spam.

Both fighters can go into TM but Bee obviously has much greater control, so he has the advantage in this area since he can maintain control through all stages of TM including FB form.

Its canon by now that Naruto slip into SM in seconds, based on what we've seen from KB Naruto has the jutsu advantage as well as strengh. Speed wise they are pretty close.

Based on battle capabilities Naruto has the advantage. Kb is very strong he obviously has a chance in the fight too.

Naruto.

Both are demon containers so if Naruto's demon form wouldn't help him, nor would Killer Bee's, so it'd be about base. I am not sure anyone can match Naruto in Sage Mode 1 on 1, the only reason why Deva Path survived was because of the Shinra Tensei and its 5 second recharge.
well said bro. about sage naruto
if the fight leads to hacibi vs kyubi lol
who takes it.

if the fight leads to hacibi vs kyubi lol

If there is no around but KB and Naruto and it came to their Bijuu, Naruto would win but probably lose control and release the Kyubi killing himself in the process.

If there is no around but KB and Naruto and it came to their Bijuu, Naruto would win but probably lose control and release the Kyubi killing himself in the process.

So long as we don't have to read more crappy "free-stylez" I'll consider it a win for Naruto and for the human race.

hebi sasuke vs kakuzu
kakuzu takes this, 5 lives, 5 elements, steel body. ninjutsu and taijutsu he dominates, genjutsu?kakuzu is not stupid to fall for one i think. he is potentially included in my top 5 akatsuki. sasuke will give a good fight especially since hebi sasuke means he has CS hax. but i doubt he has enough in him to defeat kakuzu.

Lee vs Chouji
technically, i will give this to lee. his taijutsu style is far better than fatboi, but his base power is nothing chouji cant handle. chouji on the other hand has more destructive power than lee. and chouji can cover more area for his attacks. lee is very fast part 1 but part 2 he really weakened. i think chouji has a bigger chance of winning than rock lee.

naruto vs killerbee
->no bijuu, naruto will own killerbee.
->bijuu mode, killerbee has a chance to win because naruto doesn't have control. but kyubi is kyubi and i don't think even an 8 tail has a fair chance of winning against it.

[indent]1. As I said, Lee wore the weights all the time. It was not something he planned before hand for specific occasions. He wore it all the time as it would enhance his movement. It was just that he removed them for special occasions. Surely you must have understood that by now.
As you said Lee removes them for special occasions which I pointed out in my previous post. I gave two examples of how it fits his Nindo (ninja way) & why he couldn't have worn them that arc. But ignore what I'm saying that's ok. Let me ask you this now. Did Lee wear weights when he fought Kimi? Doubt it since he was still recovering from a serious injury. Lee doesn't actually wear them all the time. We only saw them come off once during the chunin exams which happened before he got injured.

2. We have seen in-numerous times in this manga, that a person's abilities are useless when hes destined to fall in trouble. Like how Naruto's amazing entrance paled in comparison to the lame way in which he got crucified. Kishi never really pays attention to things like that. He does things for fun once, only to very conveniently forget it later on.
Lee might not have wanted to run away. Also, he didn't have the time or the presence of mind to remove his weights, since this time the opponent totally outclassed him, and he was no match for him.
Again they had pre existing knowledge of the opponents based on who they defeated ron.

Lee: I'm to stupid to think I shouldn't go all out on someone who defeated Gaara the man who once made me a cripple. Akatsuki who? You mean that group Itachi is with. Yeah they're a bunch of rookies so I can take them with my weights on.

Seriously now get real Lee isn't that stupid.

Jiraiya vs team Gai (Gai, Neji, Lee and Tenten)

Base Jiraya stomps horribly.

This is a very taijutsu heavy team, Jiraya has very potent long range capabilities. He has the advantage in nearly every department.

Team Gai has no ninjutsu, genjutsu or summons to compete with Jiraya's arsenal.

HM Jiraya

Long story short, he rapes team Gai a new one.

Jiraiya could enter Sage Mode and rape them in taijutsu... so obviously I think Jirayia'd win.

Yes, Jiraiya is too versatile for team Gai.


Jiraiya vs Hidan and Kakuzu

naruto vs gai and lee.

Jirayia'd lose.

Too hard to combat, 2 near immortal Akatsuki members, Imperfect Sage Mode or not.

Jiraiya vs Hidan and Kakuzu

Depends. The problem here is Hidan, if Jiraya has no knowledge that cuts his chances by a lot. If he has knowledge of Hidan's ability he can win.

Jiraya vs Hidan

If Jiraya has knowledge this would last like a few seconds. Jiraya isn't Shika who needs a huge elaborate plan to take out Hidan. He has a ton of jutsu capable of doing him in.

Jiraya vs Kazuzo
Jiraya would need to go into HM for this one mainly because Kazuzu has the ability to element spam. But based on manga feats HM jiraya can take out Kazuzu.

So without knowledge of Hidan's powers Jiraya would most likely get injured at some point and lose, with knowledge Jiraya can win.

naruto vs gai and lee.

If Gai and Lee both open the gates then they have a good chance at destroying Naruto, sage mode or not.

Jiriaiya vs Kakuzu and Hidan

Jiraiya would win against Kakuzu and Hidan imo. Jiraiya has many jutsus. But I don't know how fast he can kill Hidan. Hidan only knows how to charge at his enemies. Kakuzu would prob be a long range support. So, Jiraiya can put up his invisible barrier that kills anyone that goes through it. That takes care of Hidan (or not).
Jiraiya's best move is the frog genjutsu from his ma and pa frog summon. So Jiraiya would probably have to use that for a win.

Hebi sasuke vs Kakuzu?

Sasuke is just kakashi with more stamina, power, better SG and more chidori variations. So simply, if kakashi could take on kakuzu with limited power, stamina and SG. Sasuke can win no doubt IMO. Either sasuke kills the wind heart and then hit kakuzu with kirin. Or sasuke can use genjutsu to make kakuzu kill himself.

Naruto vs KB?

Well, naruto in SM would probably beat KB base. However, once KB unleashes some hachibi power. Narutos going to lose.

Lee vs chouji? LMAO! I dont care if chouji is stronger than SM naruto, Jman and KB combined. It means squat if you cant hit your opponent. Seriously, Lee with his weights off and a kunai can win this fight. Lee can just speed around attacking vital points.

Hebi sasuke vs Kakuzu?

Sasuke is just kakashi with more stamina, power, better SG and more chidori variations. So simply, if kakashi could take on kakuzu with limited power, stamina and SG. Sasuke can win no doubt IMO. Either sasuke kills the wind heart and then hit kakuzu with kirin. Or sasuke can use genjutsu to make kakuzu kill himself.
Sharingan genjutsu shouldn't actually work on an opponent with as much experience as Kakazu. People seem to fucking think that the only way to battle a sharingan user is with another sharingan. Senju pretty much bitched the Uchiha forcing them to play guardsmen for Konoha while the Senju held the actual power. Sasuke's genjutsu ability to not at a ZOMG uber pwnage I cast I win level (Don’t confuse him with Itachi). Before gaining MS Sasuke mainly used sharingan to counter(with the exception of Deidara which by the way didn't work) genjutsu not cast it.

Kakashi's sharingan is MS while Hebi Sasuke is 3 tomoe how is that better again?

Yes variations of Raiton based jutsu. However you seem to forget that Kakashi also has a lightning projectile & lighting clone. These are two things Sasuke (until he copies it off Kakashi) can't do. Kakashi also has the ability to cast high level suiton (using water jutsu in a place with no water) & mid level doton. in comparison overall Kakashi has the more versatile jutsu list.

Kakashi has the most powerful jutsu between the two or did you forget about Kamui. What Kakashi lacks in stamina he more then makes up for with experience & intelligence. Sasuke on the other hand fights like an overconfident neophyte (regarding his performance against KillerBee). Sasuke simply put can not beat Kakazu. He'll kill a couple of hearts if he's lucky but that's about it.


PS: Eight can not beat nine. If Bee is allowed to beast out so is Naruto. Naruto would beat the Bee no matter what form they're in.

Kazuzu's counter to genjutsu isn't his experience ( could be but for the sake of argument lets say its not a sure thing ), but the fact that he can detach his masks giving him the numerical advantage.

Those things are just tentacle beasts with hearts. So even if Sasuke managed to place Kazuzu under genjutsu those masked monsters would still be pelting him with elemental spams.

Kazuzu's counter to genjutsu isn't his experience ( could be but for the sake of argument lets say its not a sure thing ), but the fact that he can detach his masks giving him the numerical advantage.

Those things are just tentacle beasts with hearts. So even if Sasuke managed to place Kazuzu under genjutsu those masked monsters would still be pelting him with elemental spams.
Yeah I'd have to agree with this one. I stress the experience factor personally since he's 91 years old.

PS: Rock Lee hasn't improved at all according to his databook stats. It only shows a slight increase in power that would naturally come with age http://leafninja.com/fullbio.php?p=Rock_Lee. All & all Lee is a fucking loser & will never be a jounin/special jounin. I stick with my previous injury statements.

PPS: Tenten is close to Lee's speed range http://leafninja.com/fullbio.php?p=TenTen while Neji is actually faster then a base Lee http://leafninja.com/fullbio.php?p=Hyuuga_Neji. See Lee is a loser who got out trained by the cheerleader & the Hyuuga he once wanted to beat. Mr. I train day & night apparently hasn't been doing his job for 2 1/2 years. That or I'm right about his injury.

Yeah I'd have to agree with this one. I stress the experience factor personally since he's 91 years old.

Too bad he didn't have the experience to run away when he saw Naruto with rasenshuriken.

About comparing Sasuke and Kakashi, they are different in a way that Sasuke is stronger. Kakashi has the strong moves but he can't use all of them in a fight.
While Sasuke from the time when he fought Deidara, had kirin which also takes a lot of chakra, but in return is unavoidable. Has his chidori variation where he can elongate it so he can cut through distant objects. Has powerful fire techniques. Has snakes to summon as a shield or a weapon. Can emit a lightning pulse from his body. His base sharingan is stronger, Sai stated that he was hypnotized when he saw it. His speed is probably greater.

ok sage narutos frog katas can take down a shinobi,contact or not,even worse when theres contact.
ask hungry ghost realm for info about a frog katas missed punch.
thats the truth.
naruto rapes gai and lee together lol
even before they go gated.lol

Too bad he didn't have the experience to run away when he saw Naruto with rasenshuriken..
Where would he go? There were two squads of ninja in the area it's not like Kakazu could just up & run.

About comparing Sasuke and Kakashi, they are different in a way that Sasuke is stronger. Kakashi has the strong moves but he can't use all of them in a fight.
While Sasuke from the time when he fought Deidara, had kirin which also takes a lot of chakra, but in return is unavoidable. Has his chidori variation where he can elongate it so he can cut through distant objects. Has powerful fire techniques. Has snakes to summon as a shield or a weapon. Can emit a lightning pulse from his body. His base sharingan is stronger, Sai stated that he was hypnotized when he saw it. His speed is probably greater.
Against someone like Kakazu who can spam every element Sasuke's little tricks with raiton won't do him much good especially since Sasuke isn't that smart of a tactician as he makes drastic mistakes while fighting.

PS: Katon's are never really that strong in this manga & are always dodged. FYI Kakazu has stronger Katon.

Again Kakashi has MS & can create a worm hole while Sasuke has 3 tomoe how is Sasuke's sharingan better? Are you seriously going to use Sai here when that happened Kakashi was in the fucking hospital.

ok sage narutos frog katas can take down a shinobi,contact or not,even worse when theres contact.
ask hungry ghost realm for info about a frog katas missed punch.
thats the truth.
naruto rapes gai and lee together lol
even before they go gated.lol

Actually SM isn't needed in this fight.

Naruto is a terrible opponent for ninja like Lee and Gai. They have so ninjutsu, genjutsu or summons so its taijutsu or nothing.

Naruto at base can spam up to 1999 ( did it against Gaara in P1 ) clones, he can also have up to 200 clones use rasengan at the same time ( did it during Futon training ) not to mention summon.

But lets just make it taijutsu vs taijutsu. It would come down to who can last the longest and that game heavily favors Naruto.

As for Gates, lets clear a few misconceptions. Gates lasts a few moments, its a last resort move and a gamble at the same time. If you don't take your opponent down while in Gates you're pretty much screwed.

So Lee and Gai have to survive Naruto's kb/rasengan storm ( which is a long one ) or hope to take out the real one with Gates.

Based on manga feats, Naruto has the avantage with bushin feints and better stamina.

Actually SM isn't needed in this fight.

Naruto is a terrible opponent for ninja like Lee and Gai. They have so ninjutsu, genjutsu or summons so its taijutsu or nothing.

Naruto at base can spam up to 1999 ( did it against Gaara in P1 ) clones, he can also have up to 200 clones use rasengan at the same time ( did it during Futon training ) not to mention summon.

But lets just make it taijutsu vs taijutsu. It would come down to who can last the longest and that game heavily favors Naruto.

As for Gates, lets clear a few misconceptions. Gates lasts a few moments, its a last resort move and a gamble at the same time. If you don't take your opponent down while in Gates you're pretty much screwed.

So Lee and Gai have to survive Naruto's kb/rasengan storm ( which is a long one ) or hope to take out the real one with Gates.

Based on manga feats, Naruto has the avantage with bushin feints and better stamina.
hahaha well said plus futon rasengan lol
oodama rasengan.
you are soo right,sage mode would be overkill,
to have a good fight in that kind of batle we would use base naruto.
sage naruto-kage level
gai-jounin
lee-chunin.lol
that was a mismatch.lol

Gai and Lee combined can destroy Naruto's mass kage bunshin because they have better taijutsu.
If Gai and Lee both open 5 gates, then they would destroy the mass kage bunshins in a matter of seconds. If the real Naruto would be among the clones he would get knocked out fast. Kisame, who has a great taijutsu skill was only able to watch Gai in his gated mode. He couldn't defend. Same with Gara against Lee, Gara survived because he had his skin covered with the sand shield.
So imagine Naruto's clones with no defense against both Lee and Gai in a gated mode. They would disappear quickly.
Naruto's only chance there is to use henge no jutsu and hide. So if he manages to hide and wait until the gate mode is over he would probably win.

Gai and Lee combined can destroy Naruto's mass kage bunshin because they have better taijutsu.
If Gai and Lee both open 5 gates, then they would destroy the mass kage bunshins in a matter of seconds. If the real Naruto would be among the clones he would get knocked out fast. Kisame, who has a great taijutsu skill was only able to watch Gai in his gated mode. He couldn't defend. Same with Gara against Lee, Gara survived because he had his skin covered with the sand shield.
So imagine Naruto's clones with no defense against both Lee and Gai in a gated mode. They would disappear quickly.
Naruto's only chance there is to use henge no jutsu and hide. So if he manages to hide and wait until the gate mode is over he would probably win.
gated mode is not something they use for fancy i mean,and if they miss or the real naruto henge himself(as we have seen he is pretty good with that),they are toast.
cos they losee all their energy after opening the gates.
and they do that as the last resort,not at the beginning of battles mate.lol

Sharingan genjutsu shouldn't actually work on an opponent with as much experience as Kakazu. People seem to fucking think that the only way to battle a sharingan user is with another sharingan. Senju pretty much bitched the Uchiha forcing them to play guardsmen for Konoha while the Senju held the actual power. Sasuke's genjutsu ability to not at a ZOMG uber pwnage I cast I win level (Don’t confuse him with Itachi). Before gaining MS Sasuke mainly used sharingan to counter(with the exception of Deidara which by the way didn't work) genjutsu not cast it.

No matter how you put it, kakuzu showed no genjutsu defense. Wether you assume he should because of his expirience when he went retarted against 4 KBS. Manga fact, sasuke used SG gen on Deidara, Sai and itachi. And kakuzu showed no genjutsu talent. So, by manga feats, kakuzu gets caught and fooled by genjutsu. Not lose from the genjutsu, but from what sasuke makes kakuzu believe with the genjutsu. like having him attack himself or think hes beaten sasuke "like against deidara".

And dagoro, kaukuzus hearts are hearts, not brains which a genjutsu controls. And as known, the brain controls everything incuding the heart.

Kakashi's sharingan is MS while Hebi Sasuke is 3 tomoe how is that better again?

Lol, i keep forgeting about kamui because he never uses it. My bad!

Yes variations of Raiton based jutsu. However you seem to forget that Kakashi also has a lightning projectile & lighting clone. These are two things Sasuke (until he copies it off Kakashi) can't do. Kakashi also has the ability to cast high level suiton (using water jutsu in a place with no water) & mid level doton. in comparison overall Kakashi has the more versatile jutsu list.

Its true kakashi has a wolf and raiton clone. But sasuke has a S class raiton in Kirin. yes kakashi has better mastery of shape manipulation, while sasuke has more power raiton jutsu.

Kakashi has suiton jutsu, sasuke has kanton jutsu. And donton?

Kakashi has the most powerful jutsu between the two or did you forget about Kamui. What Kakashi lacks in stamina he more then makes up for with experience & intelligence. Sasuke on the other hand fights like an overconfident neophyte (regarding his performance against KillerBee). Sasuke simply put can not beat Kakazu. He'll kill a couple of hearts if he's lucky but that's about it.

Kakashi has kamui which can be dodged "deidara". and sasuke has Kirin which cant.

And how does sasuke lose to kakuzu?

PS: Eight can not beat nine. If Bee is allowed to beast out so is Naruto. Naruto would beat the Bee no matter what form they're in.[/QUOTE]

Naruto cant go nine tails, lamo! Naruto at best can barely control six. Meanwhile, KB can control the hachibis power. So, KB goes 8tails and naruto goes three. Naruto will lose!

genjustu can be stop by distrupting the flow of chakra,said and prooved in gaaras arc,and kakuzus heart have chakras
because when he drew out those tentacles thingy,yamato said he isnt shape shifting he is drawing out a huge amount of chakra lol.
meaning each heart has some chakra.

No matter how you put it, kakuzu showed no genjutsu defense. Wether you assume he should because of his expirience when he went retarted against 4 KBS. Manga fact, sasuke used SG gen on Deidara, Sai and itachi. And kakuzu showed no genjutsu talent. So, by manga feats, kakuzu gets caught and fooled by genjutsu. Not lose from the genjutsu, but from what sasuke makes kakuzu believe with the genjutsu. like having him attack himself or think hes beaten sasuke "like against deidara".
What Sasuke was doing with Itachi was genjutsu countering like I stated before. Sasuke did not trap Itachi in a genjutsu like he did with Sai & attempted to do with Diedara.

And dagoro, kaukuzus hearts are hearts, not brains which a genjutsu controls. And as known, the brain controls everything incuding the heart.
Fail. The hearts move independently from his body & don’t' require Kakazu's brain since they're no longer physically attached to him. Notice when Kakazu passed out after getting injured by Hidan the heart beast could still move.


Lol, i keep forgeting about kamui because he never uses it. My bad!

Its true kakashi has a wolf and raiton clone. But sasuke has a S class raiton in Kirin. yes kakashi has better mastery of shape manipulation, while sasuke has more power raiton jutsu.

Kakashi has suiton jutsu, sasuke has kanton jutsu. And donton?

Kakashi has kamui which can be dodged "deidara". and sasuke has Kirin which cant.
Sasuke doesn't have doton jutsu Kakashi does. Kakashi can use earth based travel & create large earth walls with artistic detail. Kirin takes allot of prep time & cost Sasuke all of his chakra. Kirin when used against Itachi was feed by Itachi's Amaterasu & can't actually be summoned as quickly without that aid. Kirin all & all sucks because you need to first fire a huge portion of chakra into the sky which would give away the attack once clouds start to form. Kamui is instant & only requires blinking. FYI Diedara was several hundred feet away at the time moving on a high speed clay bird.



And how does sasuke lose to kakuzu?
Because he's a neophyte who get's himself injured in every fight he's in. Sasuke is overconfident in his ability which will cause him to lose.

Naruto cant go nine tails, lamo! Naruto at best can barely control six. Meanwhile, KB can control the hachibis power. So, KB goes 8tails and naruto goes three. Naruto will lose!
He doesn't need to control it. All that needs to happen is for Naruto to remove the seal. Once that happens Kyuubi would eat Bee.

[QUOTE]What Sasuke was doing with Itachi was genjutsu countering like I stated before. Sasuke did not trap Itachi in a genjutsu like he did with Sai & attempted to do with Diedara.

Ok, but the kind of genjutsu I suggested against kakuzu is defensive. "fooling kakuzu into attacking himself or believeing hes killed sasuke leaving an opening for an attack".

Fail. The hearts move independently from his body & don’t' require Kakazu's brain since they're no longer physically attached to him. Notice when Kakazu passed out after getting injured by Hidan the heart beast could still move.

What? Since when did the hearts attack while kakuzu was attacking as well?

And the hearts beasts moving doesnt mean they have a mind of their own. There hearts, not brains. unless kakuzu was uncontious and the other hearts kept fighting would there be proof that kakuzus extra hearts can act independently from his own brain.

Sasuke doesn't have doton jutsu Kakashi does. Kakashi can use earth based travel & create large earth walls with artistic detail. Kirin takes allot of prep time & cost Sasuke all of his chakra. Kirin when used against Itachi was feed by Itachi's Amaterasu & can't actually be summoned as quickly without that aid. Kirin all & all sucks because you need to first fire a huge portion of chakra into the sky which would give away the attack once clouds start to form. Kamui is instant & only requires blinking. FYI Diedara was several hundred feet away at the time moving on a high speed clay bird.

1. Sasuke showed he could summon kirin without preperation against team kakashi "sasuke retreval arc". There were no strom clouds or nothing, but Oro still stopped sasuke. Also, when sasuke used kirin against itachi. He had planned on being out of chakra as well as itachi.

2. Deidara wasnt moving that fast on his bird if naruto could catch up an intercept him in base form.

3. Lets stop comparing kakashi and sasuke. Lets just discuss sasuke vs kakuzu.



Because he's a neophyte who get's himself injured in every fight he's in. Sasuke is overconfident in his ability which will cause him to lose.

Sasuke has only taken KB lightly. How does that equal overconfident? Also, sasuke gets hurt because he doe what is necassary to win. Unlike someone who can just hide behind instant regeneration.

He doesn't need to control it. All that needs to happen is for Naruto to remove the seal. Once that happens Kyuubi would eat Bee.

Lol, if naruto were to do that then the kyuubi would win, not naruto! Naruto can barely control three tail so what do you think wil happen when all nine take over.

Ok, but the kind of genjutsu I suggested against kakuzu is defensive. "fooling kakuzu into attacking himself or believeing hes killed sasuke leaving an opening for an attack".
Yeah that's nice however why would Kakazu attack himself even if caught in a genjutsu. Sasuke has never shown the ability to have someone murder themselves. Sorry but he's not that good.
What? Since when did the hearts attack while kakuzu was attacking as well?.
What are you talking about? One of Kakazu's fighting styles is to seperate the hearts & attack in conjunction with the elemental spaming. 336-13 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/336/13/)
And the hearts beasts moving doesnt mean they have a mind of their own. There hearts, not brains. unless kakuzu was uncontious and the other hearts kept fighting would there be proof that kakuzus extra hearts can act independently from his own brain.
Kakazu out cold/dead while the heart beast are running to revive him 337-9 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/337/09/).
1. Sasuke showed he could summon kirin without preperation against team kakashi "sasuke retreval arc". There were no strom clouds or nothing, but Oro still stopped sasuke. Also, when sasuke used kirin against itachi. He had planned on being out of chakra as well as itachi.
Read these pages ron it explains how Kirin was used 391-4 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/391/04/), 391-5 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/391/05/), 391-06 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/391/06/), 391-07 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/391/07/), & 391-08 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/391/08/). Notice how Zetsu figured out the jutsu long before Sasuke actually used it. Unavoidable my arse Itachi didn't even try to dodge it. Simply traveling underground (things doton users can do) would allow someone to avoid Kirin. Notice how Zetsu (a doton user) dodged it 391-11 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/391/11/).

Sasuke put his hand in the air for some un-known reason however there were no storm clouds in site that day so your information is completely false. See a nice bright & sunny day 306-15 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/306/15/). See again when he got restrained it was still a nice sunny day 309-16 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/309/16/). It would have been impossible to manipulate natural lightning(to create Kirin) in these conditions. Take a look at when Sasuke used Kirin vs. when he fought team Kakashi. Notice how there's no lightning manipulation(chidori if you wanna call it that) on his hand when putting it in the air. Try again.
2. Deidara wasnt moving that fast on his bird if naruto could catch up an intercept him in base form.
Ninja in this manga can move at speeds well beyond a normal human. We both know this stop acting ignorant.
3. Lets stop comparing kakashi and sasuke. Lets just discuss sasuke vs kakuzu.
I'm not the one who wrote off Kakashi like he's simply some weaker version of Sasuke. That my friend was you & I notice you are running out of things to say with that last statement. Next time you want to talk out of your arse backup your post with manga images because I'm stick & tired of having to search for images to current your ignorant statements.
Sasuke has only taken KB lightly. How does that equal overconfident? Also, sasuke gets hurt because he doe what is necassary to win. Unlike someone who can just hide behind instant regeneration.
Orochimaru was able to cast his mojo on Sasuke. If Sasuke didn't reverse it in time Orochimaru would have been in control. That is extremely reckless.

Diedara blew off Sasuke's wing when Sasuke could have blocked with snakes. Another reckless move brought to us by Sasuke.

Sasuke was given the fight with Itachi.

Sasuke attacked Killerbee without Sharingan active when he just saw his two henchmen get there arses handed to them 411-8 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/411/08/). Seeing that KillerBee is extremely good at taijutsu instead of stepping back to fight mid-long range Sasuke decides to charge in with lightning in his blade & get's himself stabbed 411-18 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/411/18/). After this Sasuke decides it would be a good idea to use genjutsu then drop his guard giving KillerBee enough time to recover & counter 413-9 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/413/09/) & 413-10/11 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/413/10-11/). Need I say more how is that intelligent fighting?

I stick to my claims Sasuke is a reckless neophyte that is overconfident in his abilities.
Lol, if naruto were to do that then the kyuubi would win, not naruto! Naruto can barely control three tail so what do you think wil happen when all nine take over.
Kyuubi is a part of Naruto which means Naruto wins even if Kyuubi is in control.

Kyuubi is a part of Naruto which means Naruto wins even if Kyuubi is in control.

Yeah, but Naruto wouldn't really feel like he won though. Lol, even if he some how got back control.

Although, if he masters the fox then I'm sure his mind would change.

Sage Naruto vs Kn Naruto forms.

In this scenario SM Naruto takes on his Kn forms.

Location: Ruins of Konoha
Restrictions: No summoning for Naruto, no KN only SM is allowed. Kn forms can use anything they have shown so far ( though it isn't much ).
Distance: 100 meters

Naruto returns to 100% after each fight regardless of the outcome. He has no clones in reserve but can use his base abilities to give him a moment to recharge should it come to that.

SM Naruto vs Kn0 Naruto ( Kn0 = Kyubi Naruto with no tails, Used it against Sasuke, Oro and Neji )

SM Naruto VS Kn1 Naruto

SM Naruto VS Kn3 Naruto

SM Naruto vs Kn4 Naruto

SM Naruto Vs Kn6 Naruto

* I skipped Kn2 and Kn5 since Naruto skipped both *

Sage Naruto vs Kn Naruto forms.

In this scenario SM Naruto takes on his Kn forms.

Location: Ruins of Konoha
Restrictions: No summoning for Naruto, no KN only SM is allowed. Kn forms can use anything they have shown so far ( though it isn't much ).
Distance: 100 meters

Naruto returns to 100% after each fight regardless of the outcome. He has no clones in reserve but can use his base abilities to give him a moment to recharge should it come to that.
I'll assume we're using a current Naruto for Kn.

SM Naruto vs Kn0 Naruto: I personally call this Kyuubi juice. This one beleive it or not would be more difficult then Kn1 – Kn3 simply because Naruto at this point can still create clones & is in control of himself. Though in a straight brawl Sage should overcome KJ do to the sage aura he has while using frog katas. Both forms give more speed & power though I personally think Sage mode has a bigger power output when compared to this form. Sage Wins.

SM Naruto VS Kn1 Naruto: Sage Naruto takes this easily do to the fact that Kn1 can no longer create clones. This will start out as sage aura vs chakra cloak & end with an over sized rasengan to the face of Kn1.

SM Naruto VS Kn3 Naruto: Even easier then Kn1 because at this point Naruto loses himself & fights recklessly. Some dodging coupled together with good counter strikes & maybe a few over sized rasengans should do the job.

SM Naruto vs Kn4 Naruto: Sage Naruto would start having trouble here. Sage Naruto should have the speed/brains to dodge Kn4's meele. Once Kn4 stops to charge it's over for him because it allows Sage to recharge (if he ran dry of sage chakra) & also makes for an easy target for Rasenshuriken.

SM Naruto Vs Kn6 Naruto: Not sure how to call this one as Kn6 is so powerful it can defy gravity apparently. Sage would be able to stay alive for awhile but without the aid of toads & no spare clones gathering sage chakra I don't think he has what it takes to take Kn6 out. It’s possible (if the attack doesn’t backfire like with Pain’s gravity)) that Rasenshuriken could do it. I’m giving this to Kn6.

I'll assume we're using a current Naruto for Kn.

SM Naruto vs Kn0 Naruto: I personally call this Kyuubi juice. This one beleive it or not would be more difficult then Kn1 – Kn3 simply because Naruto at this point can still create clones & is in control of himself. Though in a straight brawl Sage should overcome KJ do to the sage aura he has while using frog katas. Both forms give more speed & power though I personally think Sage mode has a bigger power output when compared to this form. Sage Wins.

SM Naruto VS Kn1 Naruto: Sage Naruto takes this easily do to the fact that Kn1 can no longer create clones. This will start out as sage aura vs chakra cloak & end with an over sized rasengan to the face of Kn1.

SM Naruto VS Kn3 Naruto: Even easier then Kn1 because at this point Naruto loses himself & fights recklessly. Some dodging coupled together with good counter strikes & maybe a few over sized rasengans should do the job.

SM Naruto vs Kn4 Naruto: Sage Naruto would start having trouble here. Sage Naruto should have the speed/brains to dodge Kn4's meele. Once Kn4 stops to charge it's over for him because it allows Sage to recharge (if he ran dry of sage chakra) & also makes for an easy target for Rasenshuriken.

SM Naruto Vs Kn6 Naruto: Not sure how to call this one as Kn6 is so powerful it can defy gravity apparently. Sage would be able to stay alive for awhile but without the aid of toads & no spare clones gathering sage chakra I don't think he has what it takes to take Kn6 out. It’s possible (if the attack doesn’t backfire like with Pain’s gravity)) that Rasenshuriken could do it. I’m giving this to Kn6.
you said exactly what was in my mind(flawlesly),please lol edit that post as me and yours lol.

Sage Naruto vs Kn Naruto forms.

In this scenario SM Naruto takes on his Kn forms.

Location: Ruins of Konoha
Restrictions: No summoning for Naruto, no KN only SM is allowed. Kn forms can use anything they have shown so far ( though it isn't much ).
Distance: 100 meters

Naruto returns to 100% after each fight regardless of the outcome. He has no clones in reserve but can use his base abilities to give him a moment to recharge should it come to that.

SM Naruto vs Kn0 Naruto ( Kn0 = Kyubi Naruto with no tails, Used it against Sasuke, Oro and Neji )

SM Naruto VS Kn1 Naruto

SM Naruto VS Kn3 Naruto

SM Naruto vs Kn4 Naruto

SM Naruto Vs Kn6 Naruto

* I skipped Kn2 and Kn5 since Naruto skipped both *

Sage Naruto > Kyuubi

Sage mode Rasengan = Palm Grenades. Get hit in the chest with it and boom! it's blown off.

His chakra is strong enough to resist the Kyuubi's. Plus he can recover with Natural energy.

kn0 can be taken down with frog katas

kn1 can be taken down by Rasengan

kn3 can be taken down by the big rasengan

Kn4 can be taken down by Rasenshuriken (Throwable)

Kn6.. Well.. He could create something on the fly like always :\ Not sure on this one

Sage Naruto would lose to Kn4 and forms above Kn4 logically.

Why? Because at Kn4 Kyubi is pretty powerful. Sage Naruto can't use taijutsu on the kyubi, because kyubi's chakra would burn him. The only attack he can use is rasenshuriken. Now, if rasenshuriken hits the Kn4 then Naruto would win. But Kn4 has his own long range attacks and can move fast enough to dodge RS. Also Kn4 is cunning and not some mindless beast, so I wouldn't give Naruto the advantage there.

Sage Naruto would lose to Kn4 and forms above Kn4 logically.

Why? Because at Kn4 Kyubi is pretty powerful. Sage Naruto can't use taijutsu on the kyubi, because kyubi's chakra would burn him. The only attack he can use is rasenshuriken. Now, if rasenshuriken hits the Kn4 then Naruto would win. But Kn4 has his own long range attacks and can move fast enough to dodge RS. Also Kn4 is cunning and not some mindless beast, so I wouldn't give Naruto the advantage there.

Rasenshuriken is only good against human shinobis. Throwing it on Kn4 would not have the desired effect. Kn4 is too strong even for Sage Naruto. The only difference is that KN4 doesn't attack SM Naruto the way he will because it doesn't plan, strategise and think for itself. Also it doesn't fight unless provoked. SM Naruto might keep collecting NE through clones, but the only way to defeat KN4 is to suppress Kyubi's power. Nothing else can kill it.

Rasenshuriken is only good against human shinobis. Throwing it on Kn4 would not have the desired effect. Kn4 is too strong even for Sage Naruto. The only difference is that KN4 doesn't attack SM Naruto the way he will because it doesn't plan, strategise and think for itself. Also it doesn't fight unless provoked. SM Naruto might keep collecting NE through clones, but the only way to defeat KN4 is to suppress Kyubi's power. Nothing else can kill it.

I think RS might be able to hurt Kn4, it cuts through stone so maybe it would cut through kyubi's chakra body. Kyubi's chakra might be a shield against rasenshuriken, I don't know. Maybe Kn6 is immune to RS because it has a bigger chakra cloak than Kn4, but Kn4 still gets cut with it.

I think RS might be able to hurt Kn4, it cuts through stone so maybe it would cut through kyubi's chakra body. Kyubi's chakra might be a shield against rasenshuriken, I don't know. Maybe Kn6 is immune to RS because it has a bigger chakra cloak than Kn4, but Kn4 still gets cut with it.

The Kyubi cloak is almost impenetrable. Even the sword of Kusanagi couldn't pierce it. So Rasenshuriken won't cut through him but it might just explode in his face.

FRS destructive powers is comparable to chibaku tensei

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/442/08/

Notice how the explosion is just as immense. If CT put the brakes on Kn6 FRS would be able to accomplish the same.

FRS destructive powers is comparable to chibaku tensei

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/442/08/

Notice how the explosion is just as immense. If CT put the brakes on Kn6 FRS would be able to accomplish the same.

Chibaku Tensei and FRS cannot be compared. They're different techniques. Chibaku is used to "trap" a person and kill him with the overlying layers of rock, stones etc.

FRS is a destructive jutsu which is supposed to explode in the opponents face and kill him by attacks on the cellular level. I don't know how Human Realm got torn to shreds with it...

Kyubi's chakra is capable of instantaneous regeneration and in Kn form, I don't think he can even take damage... So an attack like Chibaku Tensei would just be able to temporarily trap him but not kill him. FRS on the other hand would just make him angrier and ensure a quicker death...:p

new fight naruto,sasuke,sakura and kakashi vs kisame and madra.

new fight naruto,sasuke,sakura and kakashi vs kisame and madra.

We know so little about Madara to really make a good analysis.

If we got by hype, Madara kills everyone. Kisame is also still quite a mystery, though i don't think he can take on Naruto or Sasuke.

We know so little about Madara to really make a good analysis.

If we got by hype, Madara kills everyone. Kisame is also still quite a mystery, though i don't think he can take on Naruto or Sasuke.
wait which do you think madara is stronger now than before or vice versa,cos i dont even know

wait which do you think madara is stronger now than before or vice versa

Thats the problem. We know too little about the guy other than he was the strongest Uchiha in his time, had EMS and lost to Shodai.

He is obvious ridiculously haxxed, we saw that during his little sparring section with the leaf nin. We don't know what his SG is capable of or his jutsu arsenal.

yeah thats true,i also think he is over hyped i mean the way people are saying is like he would defeat like 3 times naruto and sasuke,
i think they should give yamato a chance to prove himself lol,since shoindai did it,you can do it yamato lol

ok. since we cannot do a full analysis of Madara, why not just stick to Kisame alone (with his immense chakra and the jutsus he used in Konoha after Sandaime's death, and his jutsus during his fight with team Gai) vs Team Kakashi (before Sasuke joined Oro)

so in short, that's Akatsuki member Kisame vs the young Team Kakashi (Team 7)

ok. since we cannot do a full analysis of Madara, why not just stick to Kisame alone (with his immense chakra and the jutsus he used in Konoha after Sandaime's death, and his jutsus during his fight with team Gai) vs Team Kakashi (before Sasuke joined Oro)

so in short, that's Akatsuki member Kisame vs the young Team Kakashi (Team 7)

Kisame vs team Kakashi before time skip

Kisame wins.
I think Kisame is really strong. His 30 percent chakra clone created a sea of water in the desert (stronger than second hokage). Kisame in his full chakra capacity, I think he would overpower anyone. Naruto sage mode vs Kisame = Kisame wins. There you have it.

Kisame vs team Kakashi before time skip

Kisame wins.
I think Kisame is really strong. His 30 percent chakra clone created a sea of water in the desert (stronger than second hokage). Kisame in his full chakra capacity, I think he would overpower anyone. Naruto sage mode vs Kisame = Kisame wins. There you have it.
sage mode mode is defeated by kisame you are joking.
who told you naruto dosnt have high chakra reserves too.

The only thing with naruto in sage mode is at a disadvantage against becauce Kisame as long as Kisame has that sword that eats chakera

Kisame vs team Kakashi before time skip

Kisame wins.
I think Kisame is really strong. His 30 percent chakra clone created a sea of water in the desert (stronger than second hokage). Kisame in his full chakra capacity, I think he would overpower anyone. Naruto sage mode vs Kisame = Kisame wins. There you have it.


Kisame's attack was copied by Kakashi. and the younger Naruto also had very high Chakra reserves and he had Rasengan way back then. Sasuke also had his moves and array of jutsu back then. ok, Sakura will be no help, i have to admit. without her strength and healing ability before, i don't think Sakura was any help.

Kakashi will be the attacker using his Sharingan, Naruto and Sasuke will be his supporting cast. i think they have a chance to beat Kisame.

and SM Naruto losing to Kisame, i must also disagree...

The only thing with naruto in sage mode is at a disadvantage against becauce Kisame as long as Kisame has that sword that eats chakra

even though this could be the case, i remember Samehada eating the Kyuubi's chakra. but i think Natural Energy is a whole different level than ordinary chakra. and SM Naruto can already throw Rasenshuriken, and uses his Kagebunshins quite well.

i say SM Naruto pawns Kisame big time.

Kisame's attack was copied by Kakashi. and the younger Naruto also had very high Chakra reserves and he had Rasengan way back then. Sasuke also had his moves and array of jutsu back then. ok, Sakura will be no help, i have to admit. without her strength and healing ability before, i don't think Sakura was any help.

Kakashi will be the attacker using his Sharingan, Naruto and Sasuke will be his supporting cast. i think they have a chance to beat Kisame.

and SM Naruto losing to Kisame, i must also disagree...
lol true,
it sems people are underestimating frs lol.
and frog katas.lol

lol true,
it sems people are underestimating frs lol.
and frog katas.lol

and there's also Summons! don't forget the giant Toad army.

and there's also Summons! don't forget the giant Toad army.
lol kisame is toast,i mean wind>water even.
and worst come to worst the kyuubi would play a part and i dont even think that would happen.lol

Pre-timeskip team Kakashi vs Kisame
Naruto wouldn't have sage mode or frog katas. He also wouldn't have the fuuton element or a toad army. At most he’d be able to summon Bunta but it would cost him allot of his chakra. Kakashi also wouldn't have MS at this point. Sakura would be completely useless while Sasuke at best would of just gained 3 tomoe. Kisame's sword makes Naruto's Kyuubi chakra useless. Kisame would also make short work of all these genin when you consider his speed within water. The only real fight here is with Kakashi & I'm sorry but Kisame at 100% should pwn him. Kisame wins this by killing Naruto first, Sasuke shortly after, then Kakashi, & Sakura for the finale. Kisame targets Naruto first because he's already aware of the nine tails within him.

Pre-timeskip team Kakashi vs Kisame
Naruto wouldn't have sage mode or frog katas. He also wouldn't have the fuuton element or a toad army. At most he’d be able to summon Bunta but it would cost him allot of his chakra. Kakashi also wouldn't have MS at this point. Sakura would be completely useless while Sasuke at best would of just gained 3 tomoe. Kisame's sword makes Naruto's Kyuubi chakra useless. Kisame would also make short work of all these genin when you consider his speed within water. The only real fight here is with Kakashi & I'm sorry but Kisame at 100% should pwn him. Kisame wins this by killing Naruto first, Sasuke shortly after, then Kakashi, & Sakura for the finale. Kisame targets Naruto first because he's already aware of the nine tails within him.
noo we mean sage naruto lol

Pre-timeskip team Kakashi vs Kisame

To be honest i have to give this to team 7. Kisame wasn't very impressive when he and Itachi took on the jounin back in p1, Kakashi is a raiton user and would have the advantage element wise.

Factor in Naruto who had kn0, bunta and rasengan, Sasuke who had cs chidori and excellent taijutsu skills and based on feats Kisame could very well lose.

Sage Naruto vs Kisame

Come on, are we serious here ?? Naruto manga feats and battle capabilities >>>> Kisame big time.

Kisame vs team Kakashi before time skip

Kisame wins.
I think Kisame is really strong. His 30 percent chakra clone created a sea of water in the desert (stronger than second hokage). Kisame in his full chakra capacity, I think he would overpower anyone. Naruto sage mode vs Kisame = Kisame wins. There you have it.

Correct me if I'm wrong.....but are you trying to say that Kisame is stronger than Pain......let alone Sage Mode Naruto ??

noo we mean sage naruto lol
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Kisame vs team Kakashi before time skip

was responding to this.

Kisame vs team Kakashi before time skip

Even if you take Samehada's chakra devouring capabilities....do you think he'd be able to defeat Kyubi tailed Naruto ???

To be honest i have to give this to team 7. Kisame wasn't very impressive when he and Itachi took on the jounin back in p1, Kakashi is a raiton user and would have the advantage element wise.

Factor in Naruto who had kn0, bunta and rasengan, Sasuke who had cs chidori and excellent taijutsu skills and based on feats Kisame could very well lose.

Sage Naruto vs Kisame

Come on, are we serious here ?? Naruto manga feats and battle capabilities >>>> Kisame big time.

now that's what we're talking about!

even though Kisame uses Samehada, i don't think it will make any difference because based on his fight with the Jounins and with Team Gai, he can't use Samehada while making seals. so that means he can't use Ninjutsu and Samehada at the same time. yes, he may have created an ocean with just 30% of his chakra, but Naruto and Sasuke also knows how to fight well above water...

kisame would lose to SM Naruto.

SM Naruto will lose to KN6.

Kisame will win against PTS Team 7.

kisame would lose to SM Naruto.

SM Naruto will lose to KN6.

Kisame will win against PTS Team 7.

please explain...

kisame would lose to SM Naruto.
---SM Naruto abilities >> Kisame abilities ( shown so far ), SM Naruto pwnd Pain, kisame would kiss the floor dry. Ocean jutsu of Kisame wont disadvantage naruto because SM Naruto is a Frog sage, i can only conclude he can swim well. kisame will definitely lose

SM Naruto will lose to KN6.
---against KN0, KN1, KN2, KN3, KN4. SM naruto will win, though i'm still having doubts with KN4. but with KN6? this form is just really overwhelming. SM Naruto will lose.

Kisame will win against PTS Team 7
---Kisame is akatsuki. he has a sharingan wielder as partner, he might know a few tricks to overwhelm sharingan users. PTS team 7 beat zabusa + Haku, but Kisame i believe is on a different level. He took down 4 tailed jinchuriki (maybe with itachi's help) 30% summoned an ocean. oh right Kakashi and Sasuke has an element advantage with lightning against Kisame's water, but can they use that when they are deep under the ocean? if young team 7 includes the CS hax for Sasuke and the KN3 for naruto, Kisame will have a really hard time, and has bigger chances of losing the fight. but w/o these haxes. Kisame is toast. btw i forgot sakura. kisame will rape her and she will have sharks for babies.

Even if you take Samehada's chakra devouring capabilities....do you think he'd be able to defeat Kyubi tailed Naruto ???
Yes because Kisame would target Naruto first. Naruto isn't just going to jump into Kyuubi mode. Second Kisame would pwn Naruto in this state anyway. His sword absorbs chakra & would take Naruto out of this form.

To be honest i have to give this to team 7. Kisame wasn't very impressive when he and Itachi took on the jounin back in p1, Kakashi is a raiton user and would have the advantage element wise.

Factor in Naruto who had kn0, bunta and rasengan, Sasuke who had cs chidori and excellent taijutsu skills and based on feats Kisame could very well lose.

Sage Naruto vs Kisame

Come on, are we serious here ?? Naruto manga feats and battle capabilities >>>> Kisame big time.

Naruto & Sasuke look impressive at this time when compared to other genin but in the end they're still just genin that may have the fighting ability of chunin. If an ocean is created it only adds to Kisame's speed while lowering team 7s. Kisame's clones could hold off Sasuke, Kakashi, & Sakura long enough for the main body to take down Naruto quickly. Kisame knows Naruto is a jinkurichi targeting him first only makes since because he's the one true un-known threat here.

Raiton jutsu would only backfire here. Sasuke at this point puts his hand downward to the ground while using chidori. Putting lightning right under your feet while you're standing on water is a big no no. Same goes for Kakashi in this instance if they try to channel the lightning through the water there's that risk of hurting yourself with your own jutsu. If Kakashi or Sasuke are running above water while using chidori but not putting it on the water Kisame could simply use a suiton jutsu on them to not only damage with suiton but their own ration as well. Kakashi’s doton would be useless since there’s no earth around. Sasuke’s Katon would be useless since suiton beats katon.

People need to consider Kisame's chakra supply at 30% & multiply it by a minimum of 3(I say minimum because Kisame didn't run out of chakra he was just beaten). Meaning whatever jutsu he used before multiple the number of clones, shark bombs, ocean size by at least that much. He could quickly create a clone army that is more than capable of handling team 7. His clones after all did immobilize Neji, Lee, & Tenten at the same time all of which were not mere genin.

It's possible that Kisame would be able to trap Kakashi, Sasuke, & Sakura in water prisons as well. This would pretty much end the fight in Kisame's favor.

Team 7 vs Kisame?

Although team 7 are strong, its kakashi that should make the difference in such a fight. And since PTS team Gais team work didnt work. i doubt PreTS team 7 will IMO. So, its going to be kakashi strategising vs kisames brute power.

Well IMHO, because of water increasing raitons power and raiton being able to cut or pierce samehada coupled with kakashis brillance. Id give it to team 7 because of kakashi.

Naruto vs Kyuubi talied versions 1-6?

Well, SM naruto will be able to take donw kyuubi version 1 and 2. But 3tail version will be too fast for naruto to catch. 4 and 6tail will be invulnerable to any jutsu naruto can dish out because of the chakra density of kyuubi 4-6. I mean Oro blade of kusanigi couldnt pierce 4tails chakra coat so the FRS wont do any better since Oros sword can damage earth style "Enma staff".

SM naruto vs Kisame?

Well, this is a fight of Power vs power. They are both super strong, powerful and fast. However, Samehada, making naruto fight on water to give kisame the advantage plus kisames more expirienced than naruto.

So, narutos at a disadvantage in this fight because he cant over power his opponent. kisame could damn well win this fight.

Kisame has no feats to put him in the same lvl as Naruto.

Power wise Naruto's feats > Kisame'S
Jutsu wise Naruto > Kisame
Summoning Naruto > Kisame

Edit: I checked and yes Kisame did use his shark tech on the manga, however it was not summoning it was a suiton tech.

I edited my post while others responded & don't feel like re-posting. Please read above regarding raiton.

PS: Also water does not increase the power of electricity it dampens it. A pure shock of electricity would do more damage then electricity that is traveling through water.

Kisame has no feats to put him in the same lvl as Naruto.

Power wise Naruto's feats > Kisame'S
Jutsu wise Naruto > Kisame
Summoning Naruto > Kisame ( does he even have any ?? The shark thing was in the anime only as far as i remember )http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/258/10/

Dude, kisame was at 30 percent and pumping out super jutsu, lol. He was far stronger gai at only 30 percent, spit out a damn lake, 3 water bushins with a water prison each and the five shark jutsu thing. And he still looked like he wasnt even trying for crying out load!

Fact is, it took 6 gates realease of Gai who is alredy borderline kage level to defeat kisame at 30 percent who was just trying to slow team Gai down. even though kisames only had about a chapter and a half of manga to show what he can do. Hes already proved hes super strong, powerful, great stamina and pretty clever.

Just tell me what narutos going to do against kisame more than 3 times stronger, powerful with good strategising abilities? Narutos cant over power his opponent so what is he going to do realisticly?

@Vengence:

What? Kakashi alredy showed that a he could negate lightning attacks as well herehttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/334/16/

And then sasuke used suigetsu "water" to deliver an electric attack to KB Herehttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/014/ however, it didnt really do much because KB is a Raiton user.

Proof kakashi can use water to deliver his raiton jutsus without susstaning much if any dammage.

Kisame is one of the strongest Akatsuki members shown. Not sure why some of you seem to underestimate him.

Naruto isn't a 1 dimensional ninja like Gai. Gai had nothing but Taijutsu to combat Kisame, Naruto on the other hand has a much deeper bag of tricks.

Kisame overpowered Gai, big deal. Naruto and Tsunade have the most impressive and unrivaled strenght feats in the manga to date and easily tramples anything Kisame has done power wise.

In SM Naruto can spam FRS which is way stronger than anything Kisame has shown so far, not to mention summoning frog katas and KN forms.

Based on feats and Battle capabilities Naruto outclasees Kisame.

Kisame is one of the strongest Akatsuki members shown. Not sure why some of you seem to underestimate him.

Im not. Im simply arguing that current Naruto is stronger than he is based on feats and battle capability. You can't compare Gai who is a taijutsu only user with Naruto who has more to offer.

For all we know Kisame is a shark sage :p. Though he took orders from Pain & Pain lost to Naruto so that should mean that Sage Naruto could beat Kisame. I wouldn't say outclasses though Kisame is one tough SOB.

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@Vengence:

What? Kakashi alredy showed that a he could negate lightning attacks as well herehttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/334/16/
Kakashi negated lightning with lightning. What does that have to do with water?

And then sasuke used suigetsu "water" to deliver an electric attack to KB Herehttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/014/ however, it didnt really do much because KB is a Raiton user.
Take another look at that image because Sasuke targeted KillerBee not Suigetsu. Suigetsu was simply holding him in place while Sasuke hit KillerBee.

Proof kakashi can use water to deliver his raiton jutsus without susstaning much if any dammage.
Actually that's not proof try again.

Naruto isn't a 1 dimensional ninja like Gai. Gai had nothing but Taijutsu to combat Kisame, Naruto on the other hand has a much deeper bag of tricks.

Kisame overpowered Gai, big deal. Naruto and Tsunade have the most impressive and unrivaled strenght feats in the manga to date and easily tramples anything Kisame has done power wise.

In SM Naruto can spam FRS which is way stronget than anything Kisame has shown so far, not to mention summoning frog katas and KN forms.

Based on feats and Battle capabilities Naruto outclasees Kisame.



Im not. Im simply arguing that current Naruto is stronger than he is based on feats and battle capability. You can't compare Gai who is a taijutsu only user with Naruto who has more to offer.

FRS is the only thing naruto has on kisame. However, the FRS is wind with the rasengan which is just pure chakra. So, whats stopping Samehada from absoring the pure chakra aof FRS and canceling out FRS?

Also, if naruto summons gamabunata so what! Gama and the two others showed how ineffective they are against a small fast opponent "deva". Kisame could just dive under water and sneak attack from below. The fact is kisame also showed hes fully understands advantage and disadvantage when he forced team Gai to fight on water. Which allowed kisame to use any other suiton jutsu more quickly and stealthfully. Like how he had three suiton clones ambush neji, lee and ten ten while catching in water prisons to allow him to fight Gai one on one.

Manga feats, kisame showed that he can keep up with narutos strength, power, stamina. However, kisame also showed that he can out smart naruto ans use strategy to overcome any disadvantage he may have.

basic knowledge of combat. Tactics dont win fights, strategy does! ANd seeing as how narutos only showed the ability to spam Gurilla tactics. He cant be considered a strategist.

@vengence:

What? Kakashi nagated the raiton jutsu proving that a raiton user can get hurt like a nonraiton user could.

And herehttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/013/ As you should have noticed, KBs had was trapped in suigetsu whos water and sasuke just touched KB with chidori caused KB to be electricuted because his hand was in suigetsu. Thus proving that water can increase the power of even a regular raiton jutsu.

Manga proof that if kakashi just chidoried the water kisame is on. Kisames would be elcetricuted because its comon knowledge water conduts electricity.

@vengence:

What? Kakashi nagated the raiton jutsu proving that a raiton user can get hurt like a nonraiton user could..
LMAO dude Kakashi created raiton to counter raiton. That has nothing to do with a natural current that would shock Kakashi's feet if he puts a chidori charged hand in water.

And herehttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/013/ As you should have noticed, KBs had was trapped in suigetsu whos water and sasuke just touched KB with chidori caused KB to be electricuted because his hand was in suigetsu. Thus proving that water can increase the power of even a regular raiton jutsu.

Manga proof that if kakashi just chidoried the water kisame is on. Kisames would be elcetricuted because its comon knowledge water conduts electricity.
Are you being serious? KillerBee was trapped in water not Sasuke. Sasuke then hit killerbee with chidori. You also need to learn your science water dampens electricity not strengthen it. The power does not increase the electricity simply travels through the water while getting weaker. Meaning the area or radius increases not the actual power. But you're missing the point if they try this while standing on water they'll electrify themselves. When that happens their bodies would drop before the actual attack has a chance to do much if any damage to Kisame. You also didn't give a response to what would happen when Kisame uses a suiton while they charge up chidori. Answer they'll get electrocuted.

Manga feats, kisame showed that he can keep up with narutos strength, power, stamina

Naruto picked up a multi-ton boss summon and hurled it into the sky, Tsunade was able to pick bunta's dagger and clamp Manda's mouth with it, please link pages where Kisame does anything even remotely close to those feats.

However, kisame also showed that he can out smart naruto ans use strategy to overcome any disadvantage he may have.

How exactly has he shown that he can out smart Naruto ?? They've never fought each other. Naruto has demonstrated great strategic capabilities with Henge and clone feints.

Tactics dont win fights, strategy does! ANd seeing as how narutos only showed the ability to spam Gurilla tactics. He cant be considered a strategist.

Apparently you haven't read the invasion of Pein arc, i suggest you do.

FRS is the only thing naruto has on kisame

I guess frog katas, senjutsu rasengan attacks and Kn forms don't count right ??


However, the FRS is wind with the rasengan which is just pure chakra. So, whats stopping Samehada from absoring the pure chakra aof FRS and canceling out FRS?

Samehada sucked up chakra once, against Naruto during their encounter in the inn. Kisame said it himself, Naruto was channeling the Kyubi's chakra.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/146/16/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/146/18/

Kisame said it himself how Naruto was channeling so much chakra it filled the room.
If you're implying that his sword can drink chakra like HG can than prove it.

Don't forget summoning & chakra sensing abilities which in some ways make his awareness better then a Hyuuga. People seem to forget about his chakra sensing abilities. It actually makes Naruto quite powerful on it's own.

[QUOTE]Naruto picked up a multi-ton boss summon and hurled it into the sky, Tsunade was able to pick bunta's dagger and clamp Manda's mouth with it, please link pages where Kisame does anything even remotely close to those feats.

Naruto picked up something heavy, so what! Kisame at 30 percent standing still with no momentum smashed Gain into the water causing Gai internal damage. And Gai had the water to absorb impact from kisames blow, lol, just imagine if Gai wouldve been on land. IMO, hed probably dead.http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/258/08/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/258/09/

For crying out load look at the impact of kisames sword blow on Gai. The water explodes from the raw power of the attack.

How exactly has he shown that he can out smart Naruto ?? They've never fought each other. Naruto has demonstrated great strategic capabilities with Henge and clone feints.

LMAO! Naruto uses basic Gorilla tactics "deception". Tactics arent strategy, strategy is a well thought out plan with many different tactics to achieve a spefic objective. The bast narutos ever done is to use deception and a flanking maneuver from above to take out one realm "hell". Meanwhile, kisame used a used deception, flanking, inviroment "water" and distance to split up team Gai and fight Gai one on one. thats a far geater strategy because kisame didnt waste any movements "need so much to take out one realm" and used every advantage he could while putting team gai at every disadvantage as well.

Apparently you haven't read the invasion of Pein arc, i suggest you do.

I read the Arc, but naruto wasnt planning or putting pain at any disadvantage. Kishi did that for him, lamo!

I guess frog katas, senjutsu rasengan attacks and Kn forms don't count right ??

Frog katas KOed HG who was weak against physical attacks. What are they goin got do against someone as strong as naruto? A ginat rasengan would just get absorbed by samehada as well as any pre kyuubi forms like before.




Samehada sucked up chakra once, against Naruto during their encounter in the inn. Kisame said it himself, Naruto was channeling the Kyubi's chakra.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/146/16/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/146/18/

Kisame said it himself how Naruto was channeling so much chakra it filled the room.
If you're implying that his sword can drink chakra like HG can than prove it.

What do you mean prove it? Samehada absorbed naruto kyuubi chakra and kisame didnt state samehada couldnt absorb large amounts of chakra so there, Proof!

Naruto picked up something heavy, so what! Kisame at 30 percent standing still with no momentum smashed Gain into the water

Naruto did more than just pick up something heavy.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/431/05/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/431/06/

He stopped the summon from a full gallop to a dead stop, picked it up and hurled it into the air. That tramples Kisame's sword swing.

LMAO! Naruto uses basic Gorilla tactics "deception". Tactics arent strategy, strategy is a well thought out plan with many different tactics to achieve a spefic objective. The bast narutos ever done is to use deception and a flanking maneuver from above to take out one realm "hell".

So Naruto using a smoke bomb to block Pein's shared vision, henged a clone into a FRS rendering HG immobile so a real FRS to take out Deva realm doesn't count as strategy ??

Using shadow FRS and 2 clone to try and finish of Deva doesn't count as strategy ??


need so much to take out one realm"

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/433/13/

One realm who was in the back being covered by the other 2. Please, are you seriously going to compare Team Gai to the paths of Pein ??

Frog katas KOed HG who was weak against physical attacks. What are they goin got do against someone as strong as naruto? A ginat rasengan would just get absorbed by samehada as well as any pre kyuubi forms like before.

This is complete speculation. Are you seriously trying to push the idea that Kisame's sword can absorb the likes of Kn3 ??


What do you mean prove it? Samehada absorbed naruto kyuubi chakra and kisame didnt state samehada couldnt absorb large amounts of chakra so there, Proof!

That doesn't prove anything.

[QUOTE]Naruto did more than just pick up something heavy.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/431/05/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/431/06/

He stopped the summon from a full gallop to a dead stop, picked it up and hurled it into the air. That tramples Kisame's sword swing.

Dude, less than 1/3 of Kisames full strength was already super doing what it did to Gai and the sword swing was at a stand still with no momentum as well. Meaning it was just raw power.

And naruto jumps high, just as kisame swims fast through the water.

So Naruto using a smoke bomb to block Pein's shared vision, henged a clone into a FRS rendering HG immobile so a real FRS to take out Deva realm doesn't count as strategy ??

naruto used three different tools for deception "one tactic". All just to take out hell realm. meanwhile, because one of naruto tools failed "the FRS against deva". Naruto was left vulnerable being so close to deva allowing him to ST both at once.

Using shadow FRS and 2 clone to try and finish of Deva doesn't count as strategy ??

Just some deception and PNJ manifasted KBs into rocks isnt a startegy because how simple the plan is. A strategy should be more than two moves ahead.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/433/13/

One realm who was in the back being covered by the other 2. Please, are you seriously going to compare Team Gai to the paths of Pein ??

Naruto just used the basic tactic of deception. Meanwhile, kisame used deception, flanking, enviroment, disatance and psychological warfare to his advantage. He spit out a lake to gain the advantage of enviorment, then he used his enviroment to spring up three suiton bushins "deception" used that same enviorment to cast three water prisons "psychological warfare, making Gai worry about his students", seperated then from gai taking away their advantage of numbers and then used his samehada and the water to fight at a distance against a close combat taijutsu specialist. Now thats a startegy!

This is complete speculation. Are you seriously trying to push the idea that Kisame's sword can absorb the likes of Kn3 ??

Your also speculating that samehada cant absorbs large amounts of chakra. Wheres your proof?

That doesn't prove anything

Thers proof that samehada can absorb kyuubi chakra like food. However, theres no proof that samehada couldnt of absorbed more.

How many times are people going to talk about Kisame's 30% chakra capacity? What the hell is he going to do with the extra 70%? Make more WATER? OH MY GOD HE ALREADY MADE AN OCEAN! And what happened? The other characters stood on top of it...

As of now we haven't seen any amazing super jutsu come out of Kisame that suggests he would be able to fully utilize the rest of his chakra. Sure, he can continue to make extra water and more sharkies and some more water clones. What he doesn't have, or at least what he have not yet seen, is a mega-jutsu like FTS that can literally end the fight in one hit. As of yet he doesn't have any special summons or special moves that are chakra costly.

So I don't fully see where all of this extra chakra is going to get him. If he was able to do all of those moves at 30% and not nearly run out of chakra, then is there that much of a reason to believe that a chakra increase will make much of a difference against a Naruto who already has a very comparable chakra capacity?

How many times are people going to talk about Kisame's 30% chakra capacity? What the hell is he going to do with the extra 70%? Make more WATER? OH MY GOD HE ALREADY MADE AN OCEAN! And what happened? The other characters stood on top of it...

As of now we haven't seen any amazing super jutsu come out of Kisame that suggests he would be able to fully utilize the rest of his chakra. Sure, he can continue to make extra water and more sharkies and some more water clones. What he doesn't have, or at least what he have not yet seen, is a meta-jutsu like FTS that can literally end the fight in one hit. As of yet he doesn't have any special summons or special moves that are chakra costly.

So I don't fully see where all of this extra chakra is going to get him. If he was able to do all of those moves at 30% and not nearly run out of chakra, then is there that much of a reason to believe that a chakra increase will make much of a difference against a Naruto who already has a very comparable chakra capacity?


Chakra is strength for taijuitsu, power for ninjutsu ect. Saying kisame more than trippleing his strength, power, ect not making that big of a difference is rediculous, lol. Thats like saying lee or Gai releasing theyre gates didnt make much of a difference, lmao.

And Kisame created a feaking lake with less than 1/3 of his chakra and it didnt even phase him. So, clearly he used an assload of chakra, but it didnt really effect him because of his own chakra stores even at 30 percent.

The point is kisame was less than 1/3 his best and still beating team Gai. And since kisame and itachis plans were to just slow konaha shinobi down. I dont think kisame was showing everything he can do. For instance, with so much chakra he couldve easily created 100 suiton clones to attack Gai, created a godly sized tsunami or water dragon. But kisame did what he did to slow team Gai down, not to win a death match. Now Im sure Kisame will fight someone soon and until then, lets give this fight a rest.

New fight. Oro vs SM naruto?

Chakra is strength for taijuitsu, power for ninjutsu ect. Saying kisame more than trippleing his strength, power, ect not making that big of a difference is rediculous, lol. Thats like saying lee or Gai releasing theyre gates didnt make much of a difference, lmao.

And Kisame created a feaking lake with less than 1/3 of his chakra and it didnt even phase him. So, clearly he used an assload of chakra, but it didnt really effect him because of his own chakra stores even at 30 percent.

The point is kisame was less than 1/3 his best and still beating team Gai. And since kisame and itachis plans were to just slow konaha shinobi down. I dont think kisame was showing everything he can do. For instance, with so much chakra he couldve easily created 100 suiton clones to attack Gai, created a godly sized tsunami or water dragon. But kisame did what he did to slow team Gai down, not to win a death match. Now Im sure Kisame will fight someone soon and until then, lets give this fight a rest.

New fight. Oro vs SM naruto?

I completely realize that a chakra increase counts for something. I just don't feel it is as significant as people keep on suggesting. Tripling his chakra capacity does not mean he becomes three times more powerful. Obviously I was exaggerating; however, I still don't think that Kisame will be able to make such wonderful usage out of such a large chakra increase.


It's never seemed to me like there was a direct relationship between taijutsu skill and chakra. And as far as ninjutsu goes, I admit that putting more chakra into an element or rasengan, etc. can make it more powerful, but in the case of Kisame's sharks or water clones, more chakra won't allow him to make a more powerful clone, but rather allow him to make more clones in general.

Regardless, I don't feel like fighting over this. I agree that it is time to start a new topic so I'll let that carry on instead of dragging this one out.

In addition to what you suggested, Oro vs. SM Naruto, I was also thinking about Diedara vs. Sai (I hope that hasn't already been done). I thought the idea of two ninjas having an areal fight on birds while making projectile animals to be quite intriguing.

Oro vs SM Naruto

Orochimaru also has a lot of chakra. He has more jutsus for sure, if Oro could regenerate after being hit with rasenshuriken then Oro has bigger chances of winning. Rasenshuriken would cut him in half, but that probably wouldn't prevent him from healing. Naruto can sense chakra of others in sage mode, so Naruto might be able to see through Orochimaru's deceptions (Oro likes to go underground). Naruto would have a hard time winning this.

Deidara vs Sai

Sai hasn't showed his full power yet. He can maneuver well in the air with his ink bird and he can draw ink animals and use them for attacks. He can also make a ink clone of himself. Deidara showed more power, so Deidara would win.

KYF as usuall you dismiss everything Naruto can do and his abilities as PNJ while glorifying his enemies.

When Naruto uses clone feints you call it basic low grade deception techs, when kisame uses his water clones you call it a significant feat of strategic ability.


Your also speculating that samehada cant absorbs large amounts of chakra. Wheres your proof?

My proof is simple, it hasn't happened in the manga. Your argument is centered around pure speculation and nothing more.

If a character uses an ability than it becomes canon anything else is pure speculation.

Deidara vs Sai

Why do people post such one sided fights ??
Deidara has tons of feats while Sai has yet to show a offensive jutsu in this series. Deidara completely stomps with ridiculous ease.

Dunno. One chuunin against an S lvl ninja is very one sided.

Sai vs Haku

Sai vs Haku

How would this fight even work ??

Sai doesn't have much to offer when it comes to offensive moves, his abilities are more suited for reconnaissance then fighting.

Haku can't fly. So if its a close-range combat scenario forced by battle field conditions Sai simply gets his ass handed to him by Haku.

If its an open battle field, Sai flies overhead, informs other ninja of Haku's position so they can take the kid out.

Okaaaaaaaaaay.

Kakshi and Sai vs Zabuza and Haku at Naruto bridge.

Why do people post such one sided fights ??
Deidara has tons of feats while Sai has yet to show a offensive jutsu in this series. Deidara completely stomps with ridiculous ease.

I completely agree it would be a landslide, but as I mentioned, I really like the idea of two enemies fighting in the air while riding their respective "forms of art." Even though it wouldn't last very long...

Kakashi vs Zabuza and Haku at Naruto bridge.

Fixed for you.

Current Kakashi vs Zabuza and Haku

Kakashi takes it quite comfortably via MS or raiton bushin feins.

Kakashi ( as he was during the Zabuza arc ) vs Zabuza and Haku

Kakashi would lose.

Fixed for you.

Current Kakashi vs Zabuza and Haku

Kakashi takes it quite comfortably via MS or raiton bushin feins.

Kakashi ( as he was during the Zabuza arc ) vs Zabuza and Haku

Kakashi would lose.

Sai is not that useless, he just hasn't fought full power yet. Even if he only knows what he has shown so far I would like him on my team. He can fly, make clones and attack via ink drawings.

Sai and Kakashi vs Zabuza and Haku

Sai and Kakashi would both make clones and go hide underground with their real bodies. They would have to wait for Zabuza and Haku to make the first move because of mist and all. When Zabuza and Haku destroy their clones Sai would send his ink animals from underground to attack them. If some ink gets on Zabuza and Haku, Kakashi can use it's scent for his dog summoning technique so he can track them in the mist. It's a hard fight, Zabuza and Haku might win this.

if its the current kakashi, i go for Kakashi and Sai Team. it was a difficult fight for Sasuke and Naruto against Haku before because Sasuke have not yet fully developed his Sharingan. but with a fully developed Sharingan like Kakashi's, Haku's mirror tech will not stand a chance. and besides, Kakashi is also very fast.

i agree with Dagoro that it becomes Kakashi alone vs Zabuza and Haku. during the Zabuza Arc, Kakashi might lose to the two of them because they can attack simultaneously inside the mist. adding Zabuza's skills, and Haku's speed, it might work.

but the current Kakashi will wipe the floor using Haku's dress and use Zabuza's sword as the handle...

Sai = The suck, the guy has no feats at all.

New fight

Jiraya ( base only ) vs Kakashi and Gai

Location : Pein's tower basin ( where he fought the paths )
Restrictions: Jiraya can't use SM, he can summon 1 toad. Kakashi can't use Kamui Gai can use Gates.
Condition: BL ( Bloodlusted ).
Starting Distance: 50 meters.

What the hell !!!

Guy can use gates and he has Kakashi for company, and while they may be rivals, their teamwork is almost unparallel since both know each others weaknesses and will cover them up, while Jman can't even use Sage Mode ??

Jman loses this one simply because he is outnumbered. If he goes Sage Mode, only then can he win against them both considering Guy is a close range fighter but Kakashi can be long range and would cause a lot of problems for Jman...

man man kyf is back and i can tell lol,
ist of he is comparing the destructive power of oros sword to frs and guess the proof its because oros sword can hurt emma.i dont have anything to say there.
second. he is saying kisames sword would absorb frs.lol i also dont have to say anything.
i dont know where in the manga its says samaheda can absorb an s-level ninjustu.

man man kyf is back and i can tell lol,
ist of he is comparing the destructive power of oros sword to frs and guess the proof its because oros sword can hurt emma.i dont have anything to say there.
second. he is saying kisames sword would absorb frs.lol i also dont have to say anything.
i dont know where in the manga its says samaheda can absorb an s-level ninjustu.

What exactly is the point to this? Am i missing something here?

Back to the fight scene...

Jman is a little slow against Kakashi and Guy. based on his fight with Oro (though Tsunade drugged him that time), and on his fight against Pain, even in SM, he is way too slow. Guy is very fast, and so is Kakashi.

Jman's only advantage is his defense (his hair) against Guy's short range attacks. even if he can summon 1 frog, it can't be Gamabunta because the place says Pain's Tower Basin which is a confined place. He only showed Combination techniques with Pa and Ma frog (Frog Song), and Gamabunta (Katon Gamayo Eryudan) so far. so if its only one frog, i don't think Pa, or Ma alone can complete the Frog Song Technique...

so there you go. Jman dies in the basin again...

I got one...

Gai vs Lee

ding ding

i pick lee especially if he's under the influence lol

Base Jiraiya vs kakashi and Gai

Jiraiya has some barrier technique that can kill anyone who goes through it. So that would limit Gai's movement a lot because Gai needs to get close. Jiraiya has a lot of chakra and a lot of jutsus. Kakashi would have to be the first to go anywhere and Gai would have to follow, because Kakashi might be able to see the barrier walls coz of sharingan.
Jiraiya's best chance is to summon a toad, make a kage bunshin, summon the swamp of the netherworld, set up multiple barriers around Gai and Kakashi, attack Gai to force Gai into one of his barriers.

Gai vs Lee

Gai has nunchakus, so drunken Lee would get hurt.

Base Jiraiya vs kakashi and Gai

Gai vs Lee

Gai has nunchakus, so drunken Lee would get hurt.


umm lee has nunchucks too...

I don't know if Lee uses nunchucks, he usually fights with no weapons, but he probably can use them.
Maybe I underestimated Lee's speed when he gets drunk. Gai is very fast, and nunchucks are a fast weapon, we have all seen Bruce Lee movies. But Lee gets unpredictable when he is drunk and he finds a way around the weapon, like against Kimimaro. Against nunchakus Lee would probably get into Gai's face so Gai can't swing them properly.

u gotta also take into account that lee is so much of a fighter he fights in his sleep n in one of movies ***spoiler***he use nunchucks

Next fight....

Killerbee vs Kisame...

Base Jiraiya vs kakashi and Gai

Jiraiya has some barrier technique that can kill anyone who goes through it. So that would limit Gai's movement a lot because Gai needs to get close. Jiraiya has a lot of chakra and a lot of jutsus. Kakashi would have to be the first to go anywhere and Gai would have to follow, because Kakashi might be able to see the barrier walls coz of sharingan.
Jiraiya's best chance is to summon a toad, make a kage bunshin, summon the swamp of the netherworld, set up multiple barriers around Gai and Kakashi, attack Gai to force Gai into one of his barriers.



Where in the manga did Jman use bariers? i think i may have missed it.


Killerbee vs Kisame

Kisame will lose. by Killerbee's admission, he was using his fight against Sasuke to escape. so his main focus was to find an openign to escape, and not to defeat Susake. so i think he did not yet show his full potential...

Next fight....

Killerbee vs Kisame...

Killerbee would have to use his demon form to win. But that doesn't mean he would win, Kisame could probably hide somewhere under the water once Killerbee goes eight tails, or maybe Kisame can use a big water shield against Killerbee's demon blast. So Kisame wins coz he has more chakra.

Killerbee would have to use his demon form to win. But that doesn't mean he would win, Kisame could probably hide somewhere under the water once Killerbee goes eight tails, or maybe Kisame can use a big water shield against Killerbee's demon blast. So Kisame wins coz he has more chakra.

Killerbee may have more chakra than Kisame. only the Kyuubi has more Chakra than the 8 tails. this could mean that the 8 tails may also have an immense amount of chakra.

Where in the manga did Jman use bariers? i think i may have missed it.


He used two barriers against Pein, one was for detection and the other was for killing I think
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/381/02/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/381/03/

We didn't see how he set up this one, but I think a barrier killed that Pein.

Killerbee may have more chakra than Kisame. only the Kyuubi has more Chakra than the 8 tails. this could mean that the 8 tails may also have an immense amount of chakra.

The eight tails might have more chakra, but Killerbee shouldn't be able to last forever in that form. I think he has a limit too, and Kisame only has to wait for it. But Kisame is crazy and he would most likely use a lot of chakra and try to kill the eight tails lol.

Killerbee would have to use his demon form to win. But that doesn't mean he would win, Kisame could probably hide somewhere under the water once Killerbee goes eight tails, or maybe Kisame can use a big water shield against Killerbee's demon blast. So Kisame wins coz he has more chakra.

Kisame has more chakra than 8 tailed Killerbee ???

I'd like you to make me understand how you come up with such incredible ideas. The last time you said that Kisame was stronger than SM Naruto....if I'm not mistaken which means that he is stronger than Pain...the leader of Akatsuki...

And seeing your next post.....dude, 8 tails is a bijuu - a gigantic mass of chakra. If anyone should run out of chakra, it's Kisame...not Killerbee since he has his own chakra+the bijuu's chakra to control and use so Kisame will be the one to run out of chakra first not Killerbee...

oh. that barrier. but isn't that basically a defensive barrier?

Kisame has more chakra than 8 tailed Killerbee ???

I'd like you to make me understand how you come up with such incredible ideas. The last time you said that Kisame was stronger than SM Naruto....if I'm not mistaken which means that he is stronger than Pain...the leader of Akatsuki...

And seeing your next post.....dude, 8 tails is a bijuu - a gigantic mass of chakra. If anyone should run out of chakra, it's Kisame...not Killerbee since he has his own chakra+the bijuu's chakra to control and use so Kisame will be the one to run out of chakra first not Killerbee...

I said, even if the eight tails has more chakra, Killerbee can't be in that form forever since it damages his body and Killerbee is a human after all and not a demon. And Kisame imo could take on eight tails, Kisame has an enormous amount of chakra to form water shields and water attacks. Suigetsu absorbed Killerbee's blast, so logically Kisame could avoid it too by creating water shields.

oh. that barrier. but isn't that basically a defensive barrier?

I don't know, if it killed the animal realm Pein then that barrier is pretty useful. But it is defensive, it is used as a trap. But if Jiraiya makes a couple of those on the field and then forces his enemies to go through them by attacking them then it is offensive.

I said, even if the eight tails has more chakra, Killerbee can't be in that form forever since it damages his body and Killerbee is a human after all and not a demon. And Kisame imo could take on eight tails, Kisame has an enormous amount of chakra to form water shields and water attacks. Suigetsu absorbed Killerbee's blast, so logically Kisame could avoid it too by creating water shields.

Why should it damage his body ? 8 tails consents to Killerbee controlling it, even in its final form. So it wont damage Killerbee. Secondly, if you talk about chakra alone, this is not even debatable. Killerbee has more chakra since he's a jinchuuriki.

You say Suigetsu was able to absorb killerbee's blast, but it seems you forgot his condition after doing so. If that is your basis of comparison then Kisame won't fare any better.

but he said it was only a detection barrier. Pain knew about it...
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/375/05/

this page shows what the barriers are really for...
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/376/03/

how can they be used for attacks?

Why should it damage his body ? 8 tails consents to Killerbee controlling it, even in its final form. So it wont damage Killerbee. Secondly, if you talk about chakra alone, this is not even debatable. Killerbee has more chakra since he's a jinchuuriki.

You say Suigetsu was able to absorb killerbee's blast, but it seems you forgot his condition after doing so. If that is your basis of comparison then Kisame won't fare any better.

Suigetsu absorbed it with his own body that he transformed into water. Kisame wouldn't do that, he would shape manipulate the water around him into a giant shield. He would transform the ocean of water into a mega attack.
That is my speculation. Because he has the chakra to do it.

but he said it was only a detection barrier. Pain knew about it...
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/375/05/

this page shows what the barriers are really for...
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/376/03/

how can they be used for attacks?

Those were detection barriers, but the one that was used on animal realm was a killing barrier, I think.

Those were detection barriers, but the one that was used on animal realm was a killing barrier, I think.


Animal Realm was not killed by a barrier. he was killed by Jman with a sword after using the frog song Genjutsu on the 3 Pain.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/379/08/

and then the other 3 Pains appeared and Jman's arm got ripped. he hid inside his frog and set up a trap barrier so that he can catch one of Pain's body so he can return it to Tsunade. the Barrier was not for attack. it did not damage the animal path. the animal path was already damaged. though it was healed by the hell path. still, the barrier set up by Jman was only a trap.

Killerbee vs Kisame
Kisame takes this he defeated a multi elemental fusion Jinchuuriki master on his own 353-03 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/353/003/) & 353-4 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/353/004/)! KillerBee showed little use of actual jutsu & more raw power with speed that was predictable. Are people now suggesting that Sasuke can beat Kisame? I swear I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that Kisame was sent to Akatsuki by Madara to spy on Itachi with orders to kill him if he ever did something funny. To many people under estimate Kisame well guess what he’s been in 4 fights (only 2 were shown) & is still alive. Most Akatsuki die after 3 at most. There’s a reason he’s alive it’s because he’s a bad arse & will play a semi important role in the plot of this manga when compared to the lesser of Akatsuki. His sword can absorb & suppress Buuji chakra which is KillerBee's main saving grace.

Animal Realm was not killed by a barrier. he was killed by Jman with a sword after using the frog song Genjutsu on the 3 Pain.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/379/08/

and then the other 3 Pains appeared and Jman's arm got ripped. he hid inside his frog and set up a trap barrier so that he can catch one of Pain's body so he can return it to Tsunade. the Barrier was not for attack. it did not damage the animal path. the animal path was already damaged. though it was healed by the hell path. still, the barrier set up by Jman was only a trap.

The animal realm was completely healed after J-man killed him the first time.
So Jiraiya had to do it all over again.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/381/02/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/381/03/

We didn't see how he did it, but only how animal realm stabbed Jiraiya and died right after that. Why did Jiraiya say: "he charged straight into my barrier I finally got one" ? Sounds like the barrier did some damage. And we didn't see Jiraiya himself actually do anything to animal realm.
And the animal realm was stretching to reach Jiraiya with his rode. Like he got to the border of the barrier and couldn't go any further. So all he could do was stretch to reach Jiraiya before he dies.

Killerbee vs Kisame
Kisame takes this he defeated a multi elemental fusion Jinchuuriki master on his own 353-03 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/353/003/) & 353-4 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/353/004/)! KillerBee showed little use of actual jutsu & more raw power with speed that was predictable. Are people now suggesting that Sasuke can beat Kisame? I swear I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that Kisame was sent to Akatsuki by Madara to spy on Itachi with orders to kill him if he ever did something funny. To many people under estimate Kisame well guess what he’s been in 4 fights (only 2 were shown) & is still alive. Most Akatsuki die after 3 at most. There’s a reason he’s alive it’s because he’s a bad arse & will play a semi important role in the plot of this manga when compared to the lesser of Akatsuki. His sword can absorb & suppress Buuji chakra which is KillerBee's main saving grace.

We dont know how Roshi was beaten, we do know that itachi was there with kisame as well. Imo, roshis lava was too much for kisames water jutsu so itachi used amaterasu to injure Roshi the same way sasuke used amaterasu against KB in hachibi mode.

Ok, both are super strong with good speed, but KB has Raiton which can take advantage of water. And both use swords, but KB is a sword master of such a level kisame would shit himself IMO. Although samehada has the reach advantage. KB can infuse any one of his eight swords with Raiton which will cut right though samehada.

Last but not least we have KBs hachibi powers. Yes, samehada can absorb chakra, but KB can fully control how much and when he wants to use that power. So, all KB has to do is go three tails and use his sper speed to rape kisame because we already saw that kisame cant handle super speed with awesome power "6 gates Gai!". however, if Kisame is able to absord enough chakra to keep KB from going three tails. KB can just go full bijuu and theres nothing kisame can do aginst so much power/force.

IMO, KB wins this one, but not before getting beaten up alot.

And actually yes, IMO MS sasuke could beat kisames because sasuke has the element advantage, speed, good analytical strategies and Tsukuyomi or amaterasu could Pwn kisame.

We dont know how Roshi was beaten, we do know that itachi was there with kisame as well. Imo, roshis lava was too much for kisames water jutsu so itachi used amaterasu to injure Roshi the same way sasuke used amaterasu against KB in hachibi mode.
Fact is Roshi was a master on an intirely different level when compared to KB. He not only had control over his buuji but was also a master of multiple elements as well as elemental fusions. compared to KB who's just a simple brawler Roshi even if not showed sounds far more impressive. Fact is Kisame took out Roshi himself you tard this is stated in the fucking manga in images I already posted in here. Itachi did not assist Kisame in this battle this is a fact not an assumption re-read the fucking manga.

Ok, both are super strong with good speed, but KB has Raiton which can take advantage of water. And both use swords, but KB is a sword master of such a level kisame would shit himself IMO. Although samehada has the reach advantage. KB can infuse any one of his eight swords with Raiton which will cut right though samehada.
Raiton &? Did you not listen to my previous explaination about why channeling lightning while your standing on water is a really stupid idea. Also Samehada eats chakra you tard meaning that raiton wouldn't even effect it because Samehada would nullify it instantly. Kisame has the reach advantage which means KBs little sword dance won't do shit if he can't get within range.

Last but not least we have KBs hachibi powers. Yes, samehada can absorb chakra, but KB can fully control how much and when he wants to use that power. So, all KB has to do is go three tails and use his sper speed to rape kisame because we already saw that kisame cant handle super speed with awesome power "6 gates Gai!". however, if Kisame is able to absord enough chakra to keep KB from going three tails. KB can just go full bijuu and theres nothing kisame can do aginst so much power/force.
KB can't go 3 tails Samehada not only eats chakra but suppresses it. Naruto was unable to call on more chakra once Kisame swung his sword. The same would apply to KB. You're also underestimating the strength & speed of a 100% Kisame. Kisame is also extremely strong & has deadly speed within water. Factor in Kisame's suiton abilities & it's clear that KB is outmatched here.

IMO, KB wins this one, but not before getting beaten up alot.
How does KB win when he can't use buuji chakra while Kisame is using his sword?

And actually yes, IMO MS sasuke could beat kisames because sasuke has the element advantage, speed, good analytical strategies and Tsukuyomi or amaterasu could Pwn kisame.
Sasuke actually doesn't have an element advantage suiton pwnz katon. If you bothered to pay attention to my previous post explaining just why suiton users pwn raiton users you'll understand what I'm talking about.

Edit: Also Kisame was Itachi's partner in Akatsuki & is well aware of the cheesiness that is MS genjutsu (his master is fucking madara for crying out loud). All he has to do is not look directly into Sasuke's eyes & he'll be fine. Speed advantage I wouldn't say that. A suiton field would make Sasuke slower & Kisame several times faster. Sasuke's battle strategies suck. He's a neophyte that's over confident in his abilities which is why he's constantly getting injured.

FYI: Anyway I'm going out have fun writing up more bullshit KYI.

[QUOTE]Fact is Roshi was a master on an intirely different level when compared to KB. He not only had control over his buuji but was also a master of multiple elements as well as elemental fusions. compared to KB who's just a simple brawler Roshi even if not showed sounds far more impressive. Fact is Kisame took out Roshi himself you tard this is stated in the fucking manga in images I already posted in here. Itachi did not assist Kisame in this battle this is a fact not an assumption re-read the fucking manga.

Lol, Roushi has no manga feats, just Hype from the DB. Saying Roushi is supirior to KB without any evidence other than he could create lava by combining earth and fire. And where did it say that Kisame beat Roushi single handedly?

Raiton &? Did you not listen to my previous explaination about why channeling lightning while your standing on water is a really stupid idea. Also Samehada eats chakra you tard meaning that raiton wouldn't even effect it because Samehada would nullify it instantly. Kisame has the reach advantage which means KBs little sword dance won't do shit if he can't get within range.

LMAO! Dude, I already posted evidence that KB wasnt even hurt by a water/lightning combo from sasuke and suigetsu. So, why would KB channeling his Raiton into the water at Kisame be any different!? Lol, it wouldnt because kakashi and KB already showed that raiton doesn have much effect on raiton users.

And WTF? When chakra is transformed into an element, its no longer just chakra. its becomes the element, lol. So, when KB uses A Raiton blade on samehada. It will cut and pierce through it like butter. Most of all, theres no manga proof that samehada could eat elements. Just pure chkra and nothing else. Lol, is samehada going to eat a Donton giant hill when it lunges at it, lol.

KB can't go 3 tails Samehada not only eats chakra but suppresses it. Naruto was unable to call on more chakra once Kisame swung his sword. The same would apply to KB. You're also underestimating the strength & speed of a 100% Kisame. Kisame is also extremely strong & has deadly speed within water. Factor in Kisame's suiton abilities & it's clear that KB is outmatched here.

Um, what? Naruto got his kyuubi chakra eaten and then couldnt use anymore because he coulnt, lol. Not because kisame supress the kyuubi. Your forgetting that naruto had such limited control of his kyuubi powers back then and he had to be almosy completely out of chakra to summon kyuubi juice at will. But naruto was pretty fresh so he could obviously.

And Im not underestimating a 100 % kisame. I know hes super strong with good speed as well. But KB is also super strong with good speed. So, then its Kisames longer sword vs kisames quatity of swords. However, KB is unorthidox and can use raiton on any one at will so kisames sword cant stand up to eight raiton swords, no way! The we have kisames super powerful ninjutsu whcih could overcome base KB. However, KB can just use hachibi power and oversome kisame with speed and power.


How does KB win when he can't use buuji chakra while Kisame is using his sword?

How is Kisame going to use his sword after KB already diced it with His eight Raiton swords?

Sasuke actually doesn't have an element advantage suiton pwnz katon. If you bothered to pay attention to my previous post explaining just why suiton users pwn raiton users you'll understand what I'm talking about.

Dude, I alredy proves that Raiton users can ngeate other raiton attacks on them like kakashi and KB did. lol, kisame cant use his suiton jutsus or sasuke will electricute him. So, sasuke has the elemental advantage.

And actually yes, IMO MS sasuke could beat kisames because sasuke has the element advantage, speed, good analytical strategies and Tsukuyomi or amaterasu could Pwn kisame.

I'm not looking for trouble, but I'm going to side with Vengence on this one. Without even taking into account his relationship with Madara or Itachi, which might give him an even better sense of how to fight the sharingan, Kisame, just as well, if not better than any other character can avoid looking into the sharingan. He could simply make an ocean and fight on the other side. He can also defend against amaterasu...by making an ocean. Because there is no reason to believe that amaterasu has a comparable range to the gigantic bodies of water that Kisame can make. And we all know that Sasuke is too much of a stuck-up, egotistical bitch to use amaterasu off the bat. So the argument about "Well what if Sasuke uses amaterasu before Kisame makes water..." does not exist.

As far as the Sasuke electrical advantage. I'll explain that with an analogy. If you were at one side of a lake and somebody droped a 12V taser into the water on the opposite side...nothing would happen to you. Now as Vengence said multiple times, in nicer words, if you run a supercharged current through your arm, or any part of your body while in the water you'd probably end up frying your balls off. And last time I checked restoring lost testicles wasn't an MS ability.

^ Great post.

However it will fall on deaf ears.

The funny thing about KYF is that in his mind everything Naruto does is PNJ and droll monkey lvl tatics. Go back and read his argument on Naruto vs Kisame.

Mention Sasuke in a vs scenario and to KYF its an auto-win scenario because Sasuke is a genius and a god among men.

So don't waste your time with him, just debate with the rest of the members who actually make sense when they post.

[QUOTE]I'm not looking for trouble, but I'm going to side with Vengence on this one. Without even taking into account his relationship with Madara or Itachi, which might give him an even better sense of how to fight the sharingan, Kisame, just as well, if not better than any other character can avoid looking into the sharingan. He could simply make an ocean and fight on the other side. He can also defend against amaterasu...by making an ocean. Because there is no reason to believe that amaterasu has a comparable range to the gigantic bodies of water that Kisame can make. And we all know that Sasuke is too much of a stuck-up, egotistical bitch to use amaterasu off the bat. So the argument about "Well what if Sasuke uses amaterasu before Kisame makes water..." does not exist.

Lol, water cannot defend against amaterasu. Nothing can!!! its unavoidable and last I checked, Kisame had no super hendging jutsu so hes would just burn like the rest.

And I agree sasuke ca be stuck up at times, but hes no like that when hes fighting a serious opponent. Sasuke attacks and uses strategies that get him hurt because hes not afraid to take some damage in order to win the fight. Last i checked, thats no overconfident or egotistical.

As far as the Sasuke electrical advantage. I'll explain that with an analogy. If you were at one side of a lake and somebody droped a 12V taser into the water on the opposite side...nothing would happen to you. Now as Vengence said multiple times, in nicer words, if you run a supercharged current through your arm, or any part of your body while in the water you'd probably end up frying your balls off. And last time I checked restoring lost testicles wasn't an MS ability.

Yes I agree if sasuke stuck a chidori arm in an entire lake and kisame was way on the other side then it wouldnt do much. However, if sasuke was close enough then even a simple chidori could do some damage to kisame. most of all, if Kisame tries to hide under water and sneak attack sasuke then sasuke could use Kirin, jump then fry kisame without a doubt, lol.

Think about it. Kisames taijutsu useless because of sasuke SG and speed. Kisames samehada sword will just get diced by sasuke ration sword. Kisames water attacks and hiding under water could get him fired. And kisames powerless against Amaterasu and only needs to glance at sasuke in the eyes on accident to get tsukuyomied.

Sasuke could win this fight without a doubt.

@Dagoro:

Sasuke doesnt equal automatic win in my debates, lol. ANd Ive presented evidence to show sasuke would undoubtably have the advantage in this fight and could win. But because you love naruto its not possible is it.

^ Great post.

However it will fall on deaf ears.

The funny thing about KYF is that in his mind everything Naruto does is PNJ and droll monkey lvl tatics. Go back and read his argument on Naruto vs Kisame.

Mention Sasuke in a vs scenario and to KYF its an auto-win scenario because Sasuke is a genius and a god among men.

So don't waste your time with him, just debate with the rest of the members who actually make sense when they post.
lol he even said sameheda can absorb frs,
i have stopped arguing with sasuke fans cos they piss me off,
the manga would keep proving them wrong,till naruto pawns sasuke when they meet i cant wait to hear kyf say is pnj again.
and another thing i am hoping the manga should proove is that naruto is fast.so as kyf can understand fully.

lol he even said sameheda can absorb frs,
i have stopped arguing with sasuke fans cos they piss me off,
the manga would keep proving them wrong,till naruto pawns sasuke when they meet i cant wait to hear kyf say is pnj again.
and another thing i am hoping the manga should proove is that naruto is fast.so as kyf can understand fully.

WFT! I said that samehada could "possibly" absorb the pure chakra of the FRS "rasengan after all". WHich would cancel the attack out. Lol, if your going to quote me then at least get it right.

ANd theres no proof that SM naruto is that fast. He has good speed, but not blitzing super speed like gates Gai, Lee Kuuken Neji or base sasuke.

And what has been proved wrong? Tell me what has been proved wrong that keeps being debated!

Well?!?

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Lol, water cannot defend against amaterasu. Nothing can!!! its unavoidable and last I checked, Kisame had no super hendging jutsu so hes would just burn like the rest.

And I agree sasuke ca be stuck up at times, but hes no like that when hes fighting a serious opponent. Sasuke attacks and uses strategies that get him hurt because hes not afraid to take some damage in order to win the fight. Last i checked, thats no overconfident or egotistical.



Yes I agree if sasuke stuck a chidori arm in an entire lake and kisame was way on the other side then it wouldnt do much. However, if sasuke was close enough then even a simple chidori could do some damage to kisame. most of all, if Kisame tries to hide under water and sneak attack sasuke then sasuke could use Kirin, jump then fry kisame without a doubt, lol.

Think about it. Kisames taijutsu useless because of sasuke SG and speed. Kisames samehada sword will just get diced by sasuke ration sword. Kisames water attacks and hiding under water could get him fired. And kisames powerless against Amaterasu and only needs to glance at sasuke in the eyes on accident to get tsukuyomied.

Sasuke could win this fight without a doubt.

@Dagoro:

Sasuke doesnt equal automatic win in my debates, lol. ANd Ive presented evidence to show sasuke would undoubtably have the advantage in this fight and could win. But because you love naruto its not possible is it.
yep sure kyf,in a matter of seconds actually,sasuke is a super strategist,a God of shinobi,his eyes can kill you even if you are not looking at it,he is ultra speed of light fast,and has all elements.
so we agree sasuke pawns all shinobis together kyf.
and yeah naruto is dumb,can only do a rasengan,pnj is only what helps him,he can jump but not fast.and can be pawned by tenten.

WFT! I said that samehada could "possibly" absorb the pure chakra of the FRS "rasengan after all". WHich would cancel the attack out. Lol, if your going to quote me then at least get it right.

ANd theres no proof that SM naruto is that fast. He has good speed, but not blitzing super speed like gates Gai, Lee Kuuken Neji or base sasuke.

And what has been proved wrong? Tell me what has been proved wrong that keeps being debated!

Well?!?
no one ever said he is as fast as lee.no one ever said that,all we said is that he is very fast.
but am not ready to argue bro.goodnight.

And I agree sasuke ca be stuck up at times, but hes no like that when hes fighting a serious opponent. Sasuke attacks and uses strategies that get him hurt because hes not afraid to take some damage in order to win the fight. Last i checked, thats no overconfident or egotistical.

Dagoro, not only was your comment hilarious, but it was completely true. So I'm going to take your advice...and not respond to this...

Dagoro, not only was your comment hilarious, but it was completely true. So I'm going to take your advice...and not respond to this...

Well, am I wrong?

smahada cannot "possibly" absorb frs if it can do that then kisame is unbeatable since he can suck the chakra out of anything that uses chakra meaning susanoo amaterasu frs kirin etc etc... i wonder who even thought this could happen;)

smahada cannot absorb frs if it can do that then kisame is unbeatable since he can suck the chakra out of anything that uses chakra meaning susanoo amaterasu frs kirin etc etc... i wonder who even thought this could happen;)

Who said Samehada could absorb the FRS?

Who said Samehada could absorb the FRS?

U said "possibly" right lmaoo.. well yes it shouldn't even be taken into consideration cause every jutsu uses pure chakra...

U said "possibly" right lmaoo.. well yes it shouldn't even be taken into consideration cause every jutsu uses pure chakra...

Elemental ninjutsu arent pure chakra once theyre converted into earth, fire, water ect. Which is why I said Samehada could possibly absorb the pure chakra "rasengan" part of the FRS, not the fuuton part, thus canceling the jutsu out. Nowhere did I say samehada could absorb the FRS, lol. Thats just more reatated reading comprehension from some narutard, lol.

Here is a fight that shouldn't stir up a lot of emotions:

Third hokage and Asuma vs Kakuzu

I gave the third hokage some help coz he is old.

Elemental ninjutsu arent pure chakra once theyre converted into earth, fire, water ect. Which is why I said Samehada could possibly absorb the pure chakra "rasengan" part of the FRS, not the fuuton part, thus canceling the jutsu out. Nowhere did I say samehada could absorb the FRS, lol. Thats just more reatated reading comprehension from some narutard, lol.

n i said its impossible once converted its a whole new thing lmaoo...

its a wind based jutsu u can't magically separate it, otherwise he can do the same for amaterasu etc etc. since all elemental jutsu are powered by chakra that means he can separate them all. which once again cannot and will not happen.

Third hokage and Asuma vs Kakuzu

Need Details.

Battle field
Restrictions
Starting distance
state of mind

I'd have to say Kakuzu wins this one. Hiruzen was old and Asuma isn't anything overly impressive either. Plus, Kakuzu fought Hashirama and more than just survived. So I'd have to give this to Kakuzu...

Need Details.

Battle field
Restrictions
Starting distance
state of mind

ok, Third hokage and Asuma vs Kakuzu

Battlefield is the place Kakuzu fought Kakashi and co
No restrictions
Starting distance between the enemies is 100 meters (it's a size of a football field)
Kakuzu starts with the masks out, there are four of the masks and his main tentacle body
They don't know about each others abilities.

I'd have to say Kakuzu wins this one. Hiruzen was old and Asuma isn't anything overly impressive either. Plus, Kakuzu fought Hashirama and more than just survived. So I'd have to give this to Kakuzu...

I give the win to Sarutobi and his son because they can destroy Kakuzu's masks. Sarutobi alone could win this, but Asuma could help him since Kakuzu has numerical advantage.

I give the win to Sarutobi and his son because they can destroy Kakuzu's masks. Sarutobi alone could win this, but Asuma could help him since Kakuzu has numerical advantage.

I don't think Asuma was anywhere close to even comparing with Hiruzen in his prime. Also Hiruzen was an old man so his abilities were weakened. Oro was able to give him a tough fight and he couldn't win if he didn't use the Shiki Fuujin.

Kakuzu is pretty strong himself. Having different elements and 5 different hearts plus I'd like to believe that he was stronger than Oro....its just that Oro had invincibility...

I don't know. I think Asuma would definitely be killed and it would come down to Kakuzu vs Hiruzen and the Shiki Fuujin would be the only way out again for Hiruzen...

I don't think Asuma was anywhere close to even comparing with Hiruzen in his prime. Also Hiruzen was an old man so his abilities were weakened. Oro was able to give him a tough fight and he couldn't win if he didn't use the Shiki Fuujin.

Kakuzu is pretty strong himself. Having different elements and 5 different hearts plus I'd like to believe that he was stronger than Oro....its just that Oro had invincibility...

I don't know. I think Asuma would definitely be killed and it would come down to Kakuzu vs Hiruzen and the Shiki Fuujin would be the only way out again for Hiruzen...

Let's not count Asuma out. His speed was on pair with Hidan's speed and Hidan was fast enough to put Kakashi to test.
So, Kakuzu has those long range element attacks like fire, wind, lightning but Asuma could evade those by moving out of the way. Asuma is good in close combat because he can slice with his wind blades. So the tentacle body of Kakuzu would get sliced by Asuma.
Sarutobi has the fire and the earth element, he can use his gigantic earth wall in front of Kakuzu in case he needs defense from fire, monkey king Enma will transform into a diamond staff to become invincible and Sarutobi will toss him towards Kakuzu. Sarutobi will use his fire attack on Kakuzu, monkey king will transform into himself when he gets close to Kakuzu to grab him, Asuma will come from behind to slice him.

its really dangerous getting close to kakazu you know,those tentacles thing are not as soft as you think,if asuma gets too close he would capture him with the tentacle and use fire and wind combo.

i'll give credit to Sandaime and Son.

Kakuzu may be strong. but i think Sandaime's skills which were shown in his battle against Shodai and Nidaime can overpower Kakuzu. though he has 5 elements, i think Doton and Katon, and Enma would be enough.

that's not counting Asuma yet.

by the way, here's a little trivia:
Kakuzu's unusually colored eyes are similar to those of Hanzo. (source: Naruto Wiki)

n i said its impossible once converted its a whole new thing lmaoo...

its a wind based jutsu u can't magically separate it, otherwise he can do the same for amaterasu etc etc. since all elemental jutsu are powered by chakra that means he can separate them all. which once again cannot and will not happen.

Lol, Naruto just combines fuuton into his rasengan. He doesnt create a ball of pure wind, lmao, just a rasengan with fuuton for a more powerful attack. Anyways, its over so drop it.

The Third and Asuma vs Kakuzu?

Because team sautobi didnt have any Raiton jutsu to penetrate kakuzus earth style, i was going to give the fight to kakuzu. However, sarutobi could use the death god jutsu to beat kakuzu so team sarutobi wins.

here's an epic fight.

how about if Sandaime Hokage and Sandaime Kazekage fights it up.

no restrictions
location: place where Sasori fought Sakura and Chiyo.
conditions: fighting style of Kazekage should be the same as when Sasori was controlling him...

here's an epic fight.

how about if Sandaime Hokage and Sandaime Kazekage fights it up.

no restrictions
location: place where Sasori fought Sakura and Chiyo.
conditions: fighting style of Kazekage should be the same as when Sasori was controlling him...

Sandaime kazekage was said to be unbeatable because of his Iron sand jutsu. However, Sandaime Hokage was known as the god of ninja. now, I said that Hype doesnt equate to strength, "especialy since Rikudou sennin was the only real god of ninja". But because itachi, Oro, Jman ect were supirior to him even in his Prime which goes to show why hype shouldnt be used to guage a shinobis strength. Anyways, because sarutobi doesnt have any jutsu to counter sandaime kazekages iron sand jutsu or didnt show any extraordinary strategic abilities against Oro to suggest he could overcome such a disadvantage. I will have to give it to sandaime kazekage.

So, it's Sarutobi vs the kazekage with the iron sand ability.

Sarutobi in his younger days would have more chakra than when he fought Oro, so he could win. Kazekage uses the iron sand, so he is prob similar to Gara. Sarutobi can avoid getting impaled by using his mud replacement, or summoning King Enma that will transform into a diamond staff and then use kage bunshin to make a wall of diamond staffs in front of Sarutobi.

man i have no idea who would win,in the fight of the saindiames(hokage and kazekage),
but nevertheless sarutobi was more respected,
i feel the kazekage would win though
but hype says hokage is the greatest of all the nations,so sarutobi might win.

Lol, Naruto just combines fuuton into his rasengan. He doesnt create a ball of pure wind, lmao, just a rasengan with fuuton for a more powerful attack. Anyways, its over so drop it.



my point exactly, once he uses his wind element it becomes a new jutsu its not the same old rasegan its a completely different jutsu the manga says so itself ron check it out some time.


anywho the person who suggested that samahada "might" be able to do that is beyond retarded imo.

SARUTOBI + ASUMA VS KAKUZU
KAKUZU WINS, asuma's fighting style doesn't suit in a battle against kakuzu. kakuzu is fairly aggressive and has strong taijutsu and spams elemental attacks. if azuma closes in, either kakuzu can choose to dice him melee or drive him away and toast him from afar. Sarutobi is also no good for this fight because of old age. Kakuzu's taijutsu is just too powerful, sarutobi cannot attack and block all of those, in the end sarutobi will have broken bones. his only saving grace will be the shiki fujin but i think it can be countered by kakuzu separating his hearts. numerical advantage also goes into kakuzu's favor. kakuzu wins.

3rd kazekage vs 3rd hokage
tough choice, both kages are hyped up. but i put kazekage's abilities above those of sarutobi. sarutobi will have a hard time with the iron sand. 3rd kazekage has a bigger chance of winning this.

If Chiyo and Sakura were able to overcome Iron Sand (though Sakura used brute force...still) then Sarutobi should be able to overcome it as well. I assume, that the Hoka is stronger than the Kazekage. Sarutobi wins this one. Though, there's nothing much we know about either of those 2 Kages. It's difficult to predict a winner...

why is this even being discussed its manga fact stated already that out of 5 kages the hokage are ALWAYS THE STRONGEST.

my point exactly, once he uses his wind element it becomes a new jutsu its not the same old rasegan its a completely different jutsu the manga says so itself ron check it out some time.


anywho the person who suggested that samahada "might" be able to do that is beyond retarded imo.

Yeah, it becomes the fuuton rasengan, lmao!

Anyways, Kakashi vs Hidan?

Yeah, it becomes the fuuton rasengan, lmao!

Anyways, Kakashi vs Hidan?

yes it does thus a whole new jutsu:rolleyes: this isn't an oreo cookie for u where u can split it and eat the white part first roflll...

kakashi vs hidan is a joke kakashi would rip him debating not needed.

yes it does thus a whole new jutsu:rolleyes: this isn't an oreo cookie for u where u can split it and eat the white part first roflll...

kakashi vs hidan is a joke kakashi would rip him debating not needed.

Sighs, FRS is just a rasengan infused with fuuton myth. its still a rasengan "note the round shape", but with fuuton infused to make it more powerful. Lol, why am I even needing to explain this to you?

so what you are trying to say is naruto spams an frs and kisame would....................what

so what you are trying to say is naruto spams an frs and kisame would....................what

I say Kisame would dodge by diving into water.

Hidan vs Kakashi

If Kakashi knows about Hidan's ways then Kakashi wins, but if he doesn't know then Hidan has a chance.

I say Kisame would dodge by diving into water.

Hidan vs Kakashi

If Kakashi knows about Hidan's ways then Kakashi wins, but if he doesn't know then Hidan has a chance.
lol i wasnt talking to you lol i was talking to kyf and his absorption theory.

I say Kisame would dodge by diving into water.

Hidan vs Kakashi

If Kakashi knows about Hidan's ways then Kakashi wins, but if he doesn't know then Hidan has a chance.

I agree Hidans secret would mean kakashi wins in a matter of seconds. but lets have it so kakashi doesnt know the secret.

now, kakashi is a strategist and will probably fight with a KB to start. So, kakashi learns all about hidan once his KB fights then disperses. now, kakashi can create a strategy to fight at a distance to avoid hidans attacks. however, kakashi will then learn hidans invulnerable, meaning kakashis going to need a new plan. So, I could see kakashi creating a raiton bushin, having it attack hidan to draw out his attack. Then once hidan attacks it and in the process of being electricuted. Kakashi comes from behind and severs the arms and legs, then finishes up by decapitating hidan as well. now hidans in pieces and cant fight. So kakashi takes hidans head home to keep hidan as a pet.


FIN:

lol i wasnt talking to you lol i was talking to kyf and his absorption theory.

All i said was that naruto throws an FRS and then kisame "possibly"absords the pure chakra part "the rasengan of it" of the fuuton rasengan, thus cancleing out the attack.

So kakashi takes hidans head home to keep hidan as a pet.


lol, imagine having a talking head with the Hidan's attitude on your shelves .

Here is a new fight:
Shikamaru and Shino vs Neji and Tenten (all are post time skip)

I agree Hidans secret would mean kakashi wins in a matter of seconds. but lets have it so kakashi doesnt know the secret.

now, kakashi is a strategist and will probably fight with a KB to start. So, kakashi learns all about hidan once his KB fights then disperses. now, kakashi can create a strategy to fight at a distance to avoid hidans attacks. however, kakashi will then learn hidans invulnerable, meaning kakashis going to need a new plan. So, I could see kakashi creating a raiton bushin, having it attack hidan to draw out his attack. Then once hidan attacks it and in the process of being electricuted. Kakashi comes from behind and severs the arms and legs, then finishes up by decapitating hidan as well. now hidans in pieces and cant fight. So kakashi takes hidans head home to keep hidan as a pet.


FIN:



All i said was that naruto throws an FRS and then kisame "possibly"absords the pure chakra part "the rasengan of it" of the fuuton rasengan, thus cancleing out the attack.
and how would he do that please may i ask.

and how would he do that please may i ask.

His sword Samehada absorbs chakra. Like when naruto summond some kyuubi juice and kisame swipped his sword absorbing it all in a flash.http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/146/18/

All i said was that naruto throws an FRS and then kisame "possibly"absords the pure chakra part "the rasengan of it" of the fuuton rasengan, thus cancleing out the attack.

From whats shown in the manga Kisame only has the ability to absorb chakra before it gets used for jutsu. Saying otherwise is speculation.

From whats shown in the manga Kisame only has the ability to absorb chakra before it gets used for jutsu. Saying otherwise is speculation.

BUt the rasengan is pure chakra which samehada absorbs. And the fuuton rasengan is half pure chakra. So in theory, samehada should be able to absorb the rasengan part of the FRS, thus canceling out the attack.

BUt the rasengan is pure chakra which samehada absorbs. And the fuuton rasengan is half pure chakra. So in theory, samehada should be able to absorb the rasengan part of the FRS, thus canceling out the attack.

Rasengan is a jutsu.

We've only seen Kisame absorb chakra before its become a jutsu. Meaning from what we've seen we can't say Kisame can absorb jutsu with Samehada.

Rasengan is a jutsu.

We've only seen Kisame absorb chakra before its become a jutsu. Meaning from what we've seen we can't say Kisame can absorb jutsu with Samehada.

Samehada absorbs chakra. Rasengan is a ball of pure chakra. So, samehada can absorb it wether its already been made into a ball or not. Kisame said his sword absorbs chakra. So, why would samehada not be able to absorb the rasengan even though its chakra?

Samehada absorbs chakra. Rasengan is a ball of pure chakra. So, samehada can absorb it wether its already been made into a ball or not. Kisame said his sword absorbs chakra. So, why would samehada not be able to absorb the rasengan even though its chakra?

Unlike the chakra Samehada absorbed, Rasengan is an actual jutsu.

We can't assume Samehada can absorb jutsu without Kisame displaying such a feat in the manga.

Unlike the chakra Samehada absorbed, Rasengan is an actual jutsu.

We can't assume Samehada can absorb jutsu without Kisame displaying such a feat in the manga.

Kishi wrote "samehada can absorb chakra". And the Rasengan is a pure ball of chakra, just like what samehada absorbed from naruto exept it wasnt in a ball.

The fact is samehada absorbs chakra and the rasengan is pure chakra. Its not an element of any kind, just chakra. So, since the rasengan is just chakra in its original form like narutos exepr its in a ball. Samehada should be able to absorb it.

forget ur retarded smahada theory if he can do that he would be unbeatable and can suck out chakra off anything are u that retarded that u don't understadn, which is "all ninjutsu use chakra pure chakra".

forget ur retarded smahada theory if he can do that he would be unbeatable and can suck out chakra off anything are u that retarded that u don't understadn, which is "all ninjutsu use chakra pure chakra".

You are truely a dunce, dude! Elemental ninjutsu are jutsu created by chakra, but become the element of the users affinity. So, a fuuton jutsu isnt chakra anymore. Its become wind that can slice and cut. Ect ect for the rest of the elements.

LMAO! I suppose Kakuzus Iron skin from his earth syle is pure chakra too, right.

You are truely a dunce, dude! Elemental ninjutsu are jutsu created by chakra, but become the element of the users affinity. So, a fuuton jutsu isnt chakra anymore. Its become wind that can slice and cut. Ect ect for the rest of the elements.

LMAO! I suppose Kakuzus Iron skin from his earth syle is pure chakra too, right.

he uses his his chakra to harden his earth element u f***k*** RON,
the same way like garra uses his chakra to harden his sand which btw is dotan as well.... wow;

u really think that elemental ninjutsu require no chakra? just answer this question its a yes or no don't add shit to it just a simple YES OR NO.

he uses his his chakra to harden his earth element u f***k*** RON,
the same way like garra uses his chakra to harden his sand which btw is dotan as well.... wow;

u really think that elemental ninjutsu require no chakra? just answer this question its a yes or no don't add shit to it just a simple YES OR NO.

If you read my post you replyed to then you already know I said Quote: "Elemental ninjutsu start off as chakra, but transform into the element of the users affinity, thus creating a ninjutsu like a fire ball, water wave ect". however, once the chakra has been transformed into an element, its no longer chakra.

Do you get it now?

If you read my post you replyed to then you already know I said Quote: "Elemental ninjutsu start off as chakra, but transform into the element of the users affinity, thus creating a ninjutsu like a fire ball, water wave ect". however, once the chakra has been transformed into an element, its no longer chakra.

Do you get it now?

yes i do which brings us back to my orig statement FRS is classified as "elemental ninjutsu", by starting off with chakra then adding ur element it becomes a whole new thing u get it now.

Which means Samahada cannot do what u think it possibly could.

and more proof to this is if he could do it then he should have easily drained neji's Vaccum palm blast when he was shooting it but he couldn't and instead got hit.

now u can move on and stop making "clever" theories especially when the manga already drew up a scenario like urs and proved against it.

why is this even being discussed its manga fact stated already that out of 5 kages the hokage are ALWAYS THE STRONGEST.

ok... so if this is the case, let's pit in the current Kages.

Gaara vs Tsunade

Conditions: Gaara still has Shukaku inside him.
Location: Place where the Legendary Sannins fought using their Summons.
Summons allowed. Same Jutsus used in the Manga. Start fight 20meters apart.

ok... so if this is the case, let's pit in the current Kages.

Gaara vs Tsunade

Conditions: Gaara still has Shukaku inside him.
Location: Place where the Legendary Sannins fought using their Summons.
Summons allowed. Same Jutsus used in the Manga. Start fight 20meters apart.

in theory garra would win in an actual manga battle tsunade would shit stomp him.

btw when that statement about the kages were made tsunade WAS NOT THE HOKAGE just to set everyone str8 so without a doubt kabuto was talking about the first 4 lol.

yes i do which brings us back to my orig statement FRS is classified as "elemental ninjutsu", by starting off with chakra then adding ur element it becomes a whole new thing u get it now.

Which means Samahada cannot do what u think it possibly could.

and more proof to this is if he could do it then he should have easily drained neji's Vaccum palm blast when he was shooting it but he couldn't and instead got hit.

now u can move on and stop making "clever" theories especially when the manga already drew up a scenario like urs and proved against it.

Neji blasted Kisame quickly before he could react, but naruto whipping out a giant wind ball of chakra should catch kisames attention, lol.

ANd the FRS is an elemental ninjutsu because it has fuuton in it. But its still a rasengan meaning its still half pure chakra. Its just a rasengan infused with wind for crying out load.http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/339/16-17/

Neji blasted Kisame quickly before he could react, but naruto whipping out a giant wind ball of chakra should catch kisames attention, lol.

ANd the FRS is an elemental ninjutsu because it has fuuton in it. But its still a rasengan meaning its still half pure chakra. Its just a rasengan infused with wind for crying out load.http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/339/16-17/

yes rasengan is pure chakra mixed with an element but didn't u just say 2 posts ago that every elemental ninjutsu requires chakra but once the element is added it becomes only that...

so here it is fool...

any elemental ninjutsu uses chakra... u take ur chakra add ur element and voila a new jutsu is born... meaning katon is the fire element added to ur chakra to make a katon jutsu same goes for water earth and lightning, oh yeah and naruto's rasengan is no exception shit stain.

see how u fucked ur self into a hole like u always do so its no surprise...

lol!

but anyway... i think Gaara stands a chance against Tsunade. Tsunade only limited Chakra. i don't believe that Tsunade will be killed in the battle though. i think she'll only be injured. Gaara's attacks are fast, and his defense is also fast. i couldn't credit Tsunade with speed based on the fights that she has shown so far. i'll give her strength. and she can mess with Gaara's reflexes. but Gaara's attacks doesn't need movement from him. so in totality, i give this fight to Gaara.


and about rasengan being absorbed by Samehada, i think this might be resolved already, but i just want to put my 2 cents in.

it was mentioned that Samehada EATS chakra.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/146/18/

nothing was mentioned that Samehada ABSORBS chakra. and when Samehada EATS chakra, its chakra in its RAW form. the Chakra that a shinobi emits when charging up for a jutsu. remember Sakura's lessons in the woods in the tree climbing exercise? you tap you chakra source to form a jutsu. so when it becomes a jutsu, it's no longer chakra in it's Raw form.

the point of Samehada eating chakra is to prevent a person from creating Jutsus. just like what Kisame did to Naruto. that's why he said, "NOW THAT YOUR JUTSU IS GONE". i believe he meant that without chakra, he can't do his JUTSU.

so i think it's simply not possible for Samehada to EAT up a JUTSU. it's like saying Dracula drinks/eats blood. but its simply not possible for Dracula to eat a whole human whole. he only goes for the blood. so in order to separate the blood from the human, Dracula immobilizes the human first. Samehada cannot immobilize the Jutsu so it can eat up the chakra in the Jutsu... even if it's a JUTSU made out of pure CHAKRA like RASENGAN, or CHIDORI.

Gaara vs Tsunade

Conditions: Gaara still has Shukaku inside him.
Location: Place where the Legendary Sannins fought using their Summons.
Summons allowed. Same Jutsus used in the Manga. Start fight 20meters apart

Come on, Kazekage Gaara shits all over Tsunade with ridiculous ease.

Tsunade is limited to taijutsu when it comes to offensive capability. Katsuyo doesn't really make a difference for her either. Gaara has better manga feats and offensive capability, not to mention Kn forms.

Its a stomp in Gaara's favor.

no chance for tsunade at all? none whatsoever?

yes rasengan is pure chakra mixed with an element but didn't u just say 2 posts ago that every elemental ninjutsu requires chakra but once the element is added it becomes only that...

so here it is fool...

any elemental ninjutsu uses chakra... u take ur chakra add ur element and voila a new jutsu is born... meaning katon is the fire element added to ur chakra to make a katon jutsu same goes for water earth and lightning, oh yeah and naruto's rasengan is no exception shit stain.

see how u fucked ur self into a hole like u always do so its no surprise...

B-O-O-H-O-O as always, lol. Ive explained this to you a millon times by now, but you just dont comrehend.

Fuuton is wind, rasengan is pure chakra. Ad them together and you have a wind rasengan that consists of wind being super charged by a pure chakra rasengan. So, the center half of the jutsu is still pure chakra, chump.

Again, FRS is just a rasengan with wind infused into it. Its not a full wind jutsu and its not a full rasengan. its some kind of hybrid elemental/chakra jutsu.

Now, does Mythy understandy?:)

B-O-O-H-O-O as always, lol. Ive explained this to you a millon times by now, but you just dont comrehend.

Fuuton is wind, rasengan is pure chakra. Ad them together and you have a wind rasengan that consists of wind being super charged by a pure chakra rasengan. So, the center half of the jutsu is still pure chakra, chump.

Again, FRS is just a rasengan with wind infused into it. Its not a full wind jutsu and its not a full rasengan. its some kind of hybrid elemental/chakra jutsu.

Now, does Mythy understandy?:)

unfortunately for u the manga says A WHOLE NEW JUTSU...

ALL ELEMENTAL JUTSU HAVE CHAKRA BEHIND THEM U FUKING TOOL ONLY IN UR IMAGINARY SASGAY LAND DOES "DA PUREEE CHAKRA DISAPPEAR" ROFLLMFAOOOO

no chance for tsunade at all? none whatsoever?

If the start condition of the fight had Tsunade behind Gaara, in mid-punch, with her fist 5cm away from contact with the back of his head and she managed to knock him out in that one punch...then maybe she could win.

Actually, ya know what, I take that back. If he still has Shukaku inside of him, then his automatic sand defense would block the punch. So yeah, she has no chance.

If you want more of an explanation though:
Gaara, as we have seen, is an EXTREMELY capable long-range fighter. Within the first seconds of the fight he could lift himself out of harms way and absolutely overwhelm Tsunade. Tsunade, as previously stated, is a taijutsu (melee-type) fighter and wouldn't be able to do too much. She can't punch away the swarms of sand that come to envelope her. She could possible swipe small portions of sand away, but overall she has little to no defense against Gaara's attacks.

If the start condition of the fight had Tsunade behind Gaara, in mid-punch, with her fist 5cm away from contact with the back of his head and she managed to knock him out in that one punch...then maybe she could win.

Actually, ya know what, I take that back. If he still has Shukaku inside of him, then his automatic sand defense would block the punch. So yeah, she has no chance.


LOLOLOLOLOL!!! :D

this really made me laugh man... a refreshing post from all the arguing above...:D

LOL yeah I agree...

Even if Gaara doesn't have the Shukaku in him, his sand defense in itself gives him the advantage. Tsunade doesn't have blinding speed to be able to outrun the sand. So she has no chance...

Also, when Lee went gated mode in the chuunin exams, his strength and speed were greater than Tsunade's and yet.......

As for Shikamaru and Shino vs Neji and Tenten......are handicap matches allowed ???

As for Shikamaru and Shino vs Neji and Tenten......are handicap matches allowed ???

Why do you say handicap? Anyway I think I made good fighting pairs, Tenten can keep Shino and Shikamaru on the run because she will throw weapons at them, Neji can use that to get to Shikamaru or Shino close range, if he does that he can easily KO them.

but shika can already come up with strategies to use to their advantage. he can very much use shino's ability to their advantage...

Kishi wrote "samehada can absorb chakra". And the Rasengan is a pure ball of chakra, just like what samehada absorbed from naruto exept it wasnt in a ball.

The fact is samehada absorbs chakra and the rasengan is pure chakra. Its not an element of any kind, just chakra. So, since the rasengan is just chakra in its original form like narutos exepr its in a ball. Samehada should be able to absorb it.

Kishi wrote Samehada absorbs chakra. He never said Samhehada can absorb jutsu. Thats your speculation.

From what we know from the manga and databooks Samehada cannot absorb jutsu.

Kishi wrote Samehada absorbs chakra. He never said Samhehada can absorb jutsu. Thats your speculation.

From what we know from the manga and databooks Samehada cannot absorb jutsu.
thats kyf for you lol.
gaaras sand is infused with his chakra,to kyfs theory,sameheda would absorb the chakra hence canceling out the attack.lollllllllllllllllllllllllll
it cleary says in the manga,when rasengan(a swirling chakra) is mixed with an element(futon) it forms a whole new JUSTU.

Why do you say handicap? Anyway I think I made good fighting pairs, Tenten can keep Shino and Shikamaru on the run because she will throw weapons at them, Neji can use that to get to Shikamaru or Shino close range, if he does that he can easily KO them.

Thats because I don't consider 1010 a worthy enough challenge for any of those three...so its basically Neji against those 2...

Secondly, Shikamaru and Shino are both long ranged fighters. While Tenten may be so herself, Neji is a close range fighter since he mainly specialises in hand to hand combat using the Hyuga style. So its a disadvantage for him....and a big one that too...

Tenten can keep throwing weapons at Shino and Shikamaru. But she's done for once Shino removes his bugs. Shikamaru can use his brains to develop some ingenious strategy to trap her - which wont even be necessary in the first place since Shino's bugs will have sucked her alive...

If Shino keeps releasing his bugs then Neji would be forced to use his Kaiten to kill them all which he cant keep doing for long. Shikamaru and Shino together are too much for him really...

Thats because I don't consider 1010 a worthy enough challenge for any of those three...so its basically Neji against those 2...

Secondly, Shikamaru and Shino are both long ranged fighters. While Tenten may be so herself, Neji is a close range fighter since he mainly specialises in hand to hand combat using the Hyuga style. So its a disadvantage for him....and a big one that too...

Tenten can keep throwing weapons at Shino and Shikamaru. But she's done for once Shino removes his bugs. Shikamaru can use his brains to develop some ingenious strategy to trap her - which wont even be necessary in the first place since Shino's bugs will have sucked her alive...

If Shino keeps releasing his bugs then Neji would be forced to use his Kaiten to kill them all which he cant keep doing for long. Shikamaru and Shino together are too much for him really...
lol dont underestimate tenten.lol
and they is a reason neji is a jounin,lol

lol dont underestimate tenten.lol
and they is a reason neji is a jounin,lol
Well since WTF?'s seems to elaborate that there is a reason for him to underestimate tenten.

How can you back-up yours by saying dont under estimate. Dont forget he single handedly handed Hidan's ass. Shikamaru knows how ten ten works. And if ten ten knows how shikamru's mind works, she'd kill him before any battle or any motive leaks out. which defeats the purpose of letting them fight EQUALLY.

Besides it works this way,

Shino releases his jutsu's for good show fight againts ten ten but meanwhile he traps bugs on ten ten's weapons (microscopic-parasites) and slowly implants them in her. I dont think tenten's like Marvels Dead Pool who conjures weapons but if she does the bugs can just fly to her even one can do...

Then Shikamaru deals Neiji. Once he traps him with his shadow-dowhatitellyoutodo-jutsu Neiji's done for. While Shino bugs sucks the living crap of Neiji. And Shikamaru then deals with containing tenten's weapons and Shino traps her....

argue with that, dont just say "Neiji pawns coz he's bad-ass!!!"
elaborate. factually. naruto world facts though.

lol dont underestimate tenten.lol
and they is a reason neji is a jounin,lol

1. I bet even you can't think of a reason which can make me "not" underestimate Tenten...:D LOL

2. Naruto is still a genin....

Though i agree that Shika and Shino would triumph over Neji and Tenten,i want to comment on Shika.

Yes, he did take out hidan which was an impressive feat. However, he knew everything about his opponent. Hidan was a 1 dimensional fighter whom relied on 1 tech to take down his opponents. His immortality was almost a non-factor once his abilities were worked out.

Shika is very intelligent, but during their first encounter with Hidan they had a lot of trouble, and thanks to Hidan's big mouth Shika was able to gather details about his jutsu.

I would have loved to see Shika battle Kazuzu and come up a plan against him, which i don't think he could've done anyway since Kazuzu is so out of his league.

Im giving this to Shika and Shino because they're long range fighters. Tenten= sucks she is fodder in this scenario.

Well since WTF?'s seems to elaborate that there is a reason for him to underestimate tenten.

How can you back-up yours by saying dont under estimate. Dont forget he single handedly handed Hidan's ass. Shikamaru knows how ten ten works. And if ten ten knows how shikamru's mind works, she'd kill him before any battle or any motive leaks out. which defeats the purpose of letting them fight EQUALLY.

Besides it works this way,

Shino releases his jutsu's for good show fight againts ten ten but meanwhile he traps bugs on ten ten's weapons (microscopic-parasites) and slowly implants them in her. I dont think tenten's like Marvels Dead Pool who conjures weapons but if she does the bugs can just fly to her even one can do...

Then Shikamaru deals Neiji. Once he traps him with his shadow-dowhatitellyoutodo-jutsu Neiji's done for. While Shino bugs sucks the living crap of Neiji. And Shikamaru then deals with containing tenten's weapons and Shino traps her....

argue with that, dont just say "Neiji pawns coz he's bad-ass!!!"
elaborate. factually. naruto world facts though.
lol cool down lol,my comment wasnt backed up because i did not need to,
you guys are like its as if ten ten is not there,its just like she would be dealt with in seconds,but my comment is that dont underestimate her,not she would win,which means she would put up a good fight than you guys think lol.
and neji is a jounin lol he might be stronger than you think too,so the fight might b longer than presumed.
i wasnt opposing you guys comment lol i was just saying it wont be like a stroll in the park,like the way naruto defeated the 6 bodies of pain(mb one was revived).lollllllllllll heheehehe.
naruto is a chunnin because he just got back to the village with his fighting level,not that he has been this strong,if he was he could have been promoted,dont you think,lol

lol cool down lol,my comment wasnt backed up because i did not need to,
you guys are like its as if ten ten is not there,its just like she would be dealt with in seconds,but my comment is that dont underestimate her,not she would win,which means she would put up a good fight than you guys think lol.
and neji is a jounin lol he might be stronger than you think too,so the fight might b longer than presumed.
i wasnt opposing you guys comment lol i was just saying it wont be like a stroll in the park,like the way naruto defeated the 6 bodies of pain(mb one was revived).lollllllllllll heheehehe.
naruto is a chunnin because he just got back to the village with his fighting level,not that he has been this strong,if he was he could have been promoted,dont you think,lol

LOL relax...I think you took his words too seriously (just like he took yours :p)

I didn't quite follow your statement about Naruto being a chuunin...meaning I couldn't understand what you were trying to say...could you please rephrase that so I can understand the "true meaning" of your words ??:D

LOL relax...I think you took his words too seriously (just like he took yours :p)

I didn't quite follow your statement about Naruto being a chuunin...meaning I couldn't understand what you were trying to say...could you please rephrase that so I can understand the "true meaning" of your words ??:D
lol i was just replied in a normal way lol,i wasnt arguing lol was i,lol
anyway i meant that naruto is still a chunnin because he got back to the village in the middle of a crisis lol there is no time to promote him because of his fighting capabilities,becuase we all know he is a kage level shinobi but he just recently attained the power,and there hasnt been time for hokage to acknowledge his strength by promoting him,
i know its not well phrased and sorry about that lol,i just dont know how to put that particular idea in words lol

sorry if my post came out hostile.

sorry if my post came out hostile.
its no probs bro,its just a misunderstanding.lol hehe

lol i was just replied in a normal way lol,i wasnt arguing lol was i,lol

Not arguing...I thought you were "hurt" by his words...:p

anyway i meant that naruto is still a chunnin because he got back to the village in the middle of a crisis lol there is no time to promote him because of his fighting capabilities,becuase we all know he is a kage level shinobi but he just recently attained the power,and there hasnt been time for hokage to acknowledge his strength by promoting him,
i know its not well phrased and sorry about that lol,i just dont know how to put that particular idea in words lol

LOL Naruto never became a Chuunin. The others entered and cleared the Chuunin (and Jounin for Neji) exams while Naruto was away training with Jiraiya. He's still a Genin if that's what you mean. The rest of the rookie's barring Neji are Chuunin. But the strongest 2 guys among the "rookie" group are still Genin...

EDIT: Barring Neji are Jounin => changed to Chuunin...

Not arguing...I thought you were "hurt" by his words...:p



LOL Naruto never became a Chuunin. The others entered and cleared the Chuunin (and Jounin for Neji) exams while Naruto was away training with Jiraiya. He's still a Genin if that's what you mean. The rest of the rookie's barring Neji are Jounin. But the strongest 2 guys among the "rookie" group are still Genin...
nope he didnt say anything rude,he just misuderstood me lol
ohh sorry my bad i meant genin.i keep confusing that,lol anyway just replace where i wrote chunin with genin.lol

How about we create another awesome fight scenario ??

Ino vs Tenten...:p

tenten wins this no doubt.

tenten wins this no doubt.

Incredible!! To think that there could possibly someone alive that could classify as "worse than Tenten"!!!

Unbelievable...

Well...not really. Atleast Tenten has long range weapon attacks while Ino is more of a Med ninja than a clan member using her special clan jutsu...

Even if Ino can manage to connect with her Mind transfer or other mind Jutsus, it still serves no purpose since she wouldn't be able to harm that body without harming herself. Though her medical ninjutsu and chakra control is nowhere near Sakura's, thats the only plus she has against Tenten using which she could hold her own. But if she has the monstrous strength gained by chakra control, then I'd have to say that Ino could win...:D

Incredible!! To think that there could possibly someone alive that could classify as "worse than Tenten"!!!

Unbelievable...

Well...not really. Atleast Tenten has long range weapon attacks while Ino is more of a Med ninja than a clan member using her special clan jutsu...

Even if Ino can manage to connect with her Mind transfer or other mind Jutsus, it still serves no purpose since she wouldn't be able to harm that body without harming herself. Though her medical ninjutsu and chakra control is nowhere near Sakura's, thats the only plus she has against Tenten using which she could hold her own. But if she has the monstrous strength gained by chakra control, then I'd have to say that Ino could win...:D
yeah lol but she dosent have that strength lol,
but i dont think ten ten is that bad cos she has pinpoint accuracy with those weapons,
temari was only able to dodge them because of her wind.

yeah lol but she dosent have that strength lol,
but i dont think ten ten is that bad could she has pinpoint accuracy with those weapons,
temari was only able to dodge them because of her wind.

Temari was stronger than many of the rookie 9. Tenten was a mismatch for her...

On second thoughts...if Ino manages to get the basics of medical ninjutsu right, then she should have the precise chakra control required to channel it through her hands, giving her insane destructive power...not strength...

Temari was stronger than many of the rookie 9. Tenten was a mismatch for her...

On second thoughts...if Ino manages to get the basics of medical ninjutsu right, then she should have the precise chakra control required to channel it through her hands, giving her insane destructive power...not strength...
nope i dont think she has that precise chakra control,that destructive power is tsunades passed on to sakura,
even shizune dosent have that much destructive power(due to chakra control as you said)
instead she uses poision needles for fighting.

Incredible!! To think that there could possibly someone alive that could classify as "worse than Tenten"!!!

Ino's best chance to win that fight against Tenten (or any other character for that matter), is to use her mind control on one of the people observing from the sidelines and have that person to fight in her stead.

Ino's best chance to win that fight against Tenten (or any other character for that matter), is to use her mind control on one of the people observing from the sidelines and have that person to fight in her stead.

Mind transfer jutsus were mainly used during spying missions. They cannot be used to beat an enemy. There's another mind technique that her clan uses...can't remember the name though...

Lol, Roushi has no manga feats, just Hype from the DB. Saying Roushi is supirior to KB without any evidence other than he could create lava by combining earth and fire. And where did it say that Kisame beat Roushi single handedly?
You're ether really stupid or chose to read some things while ignoring others. You quoted the post where I gave links showing proof that Kisame took out Roushi alone. Since you want to act like a complete moron I'll post them again with the conversation written out.

Kisame: You only say that because you don’t know what he’s capable of. The “four tails” uses many different elemental fusions. This Jinchuuriki was no pushover. I assure you. You didn’t fight him directly; I wouldn’t expect you to understand what I went through.

Itachi: ….

Kisame: HMPH Then again, I was the one who wanted to go by himself perhaps you’ll let me beat your target half to death too?

Itachi: Don’t get cocky, Kisame



353-3 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/353/003/) & 353-4 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/353/004/). Kisame fought by himself Itachi wasn't even there according to the conversation they had in the manga.


LMAO! Dude, I already posted evidence that KB wasnt even hurt by a water/lightning combo from sasuke and suigetsu. So, why would KB channeling his Raiton into the water at Kisame be any different!? Lol, it wouldnt because kakashi and KB already showed that raiton doesn have much effect on raiton users..
You're evidence was already voided due to the fact that Sasuke hit KB with Chirodi directly 412-14 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/014/). Sasuke did not channel his lightning through water retard Suigetsu was simply holding KB in place to give Sasuke an easy target. KB was affected by it the reason he survived is because KB is a Jinchuuriki who's extremely strong. It has nothing to do with him being a raiton user.

And WTF? When chakra is transformed into an element, its no longer just chakra. its becomes the element, lol. So, when KB uses A Raiton blade on samehada. It will cut and pierce through it like butter. Most of all, theres no manga proof that samehada could eat elements. Just pure chkra and nothing else. Lol, is samehada going to eat a Donton giant hill when it lunges at it, lol.
Allow me to prove you wrong right now 141-09 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/141/09/). Asuma uses chakra blades & infuses them with wind based chakra. Wind based chakra is considered the sharpest type of chakra. Samehada was able to withstand asuma's blades. Samehada is a magic weapon that eats chakra & shreds like sharks teeth 141-11/12 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/141/11-12/). Samehada itself has chakra & reacts to what's around it showing a conciseness within the sword. Notice how it reacted to someone else trying to use it against it's master 257-17 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/257/17/). Notice how the sword moves on it's own back into Kisame's hands 258-2 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/258/02/). Don't compare a living weapon to Zabuza's peace of shit sword.

Um, what? Naruto got his kyuubi chakra eaten and then couldnt use anymore because he coulnt, lol. Not because kisame supress the kyuubi. Your forgetting that naruto had such limited control of his kyuubi powers back then and he had to be almosy completely out of chakra to summon kyuubi juice at will. But naruto was pretty fresh so he could obviously.
Buuji are said to have unlimited chakra. Naruto couldn't draw on more chakra because Samehada was suppressing it. If that was the case that Kisame would need to swing his sword each & every time to cut off that chakra flow Naruto would of been able to simply call on more chakra from Kyuubi. But as we both saw Naruto couldn't because Samehada was eating & suppressing his buuji chakra. At this time Naruto already received training from Jiraiya on how to conjure buuji chakra so you're point is moot.

And Im not underestimating a 100 % kisame. I know hes super strong with good speed as well. But KB is also super strong with good speed. So, then its Kisames longer sword vs kisames quatity of swords. However, KB is unorthidox and can use raiton on any one at will so kisames sword cant stand up to eight raiton swords, no way! The we have kisames super powerful ninjutsu whcih could overcome base KB. However, KB can just use hachibi power and oversome kisame with speed and power.
KB dominated Hawk because he was far stronger then his opponents. KB won't be able to simply overpower Kisame like he did with Hawk for the reasons I listed above & because Kisame himself is a powerhouse. KBs only Raiton use was done through chakra conjunction through blades & I already proven above why that wouldn't work on Samehada. KBs Buuji is also out of play because of Samehada's abilities which gives Kisame a clear edge in this fight over KB. His unorthodox style won't matter because Kisame has the reach advantage. Kisame uses that reach to make KBs sword dance seem like a waste of energy. All the while by simply blocking & countering with trust or wide swings Kisame would also be draining KB of chakra because of Samehada’s abilites. All & all Kisame pwnz KB.

How is Kisame going to use his sword after KB already diced it with His eight Raiton swords?
Explained in this post Ron.

Dude, I alredy proves that Raiton users can ngeate other raiton attacks on them like kakashi and KB did. lol, kisame cant use his suiton jutsus or sasuke will electricute him. So, sasuke has the elemental advantage.
Actually you didn't. I already proved that wrong at least 3 times now & am getting tired of repeating myself. Get evidence that actually proves your case or drop the issue. You've clearly lost this argument already.



PS: For anyone reading my post. I'm not saying that Samehada can nullify all chakra attacks such as FRS or Kirin. Obviously that would make him way to powerful lol. All I'm saying is that it can withstand chakra conjunction(Asuma, Sasuke, & KB do this) within other weapons by eating the chakra(or simply because the sword is that powerful). Proof was shown in Asuma vs Kisame.

Poor Ino lol. She sucks even more than Tenten.

Tenten would take her in a fight since Ino has not displayed the ability to manipulate others like her that did during the destruction of the leaf arc.

In a fight I posted earlier Shikamaru and Shino vs Neji and Tenten, I just remembered something about Neji. He might be able to disrupt Shika's shadow by emitting chakra pulses from his body. So even if he gets caught in the shadow jutsu he might be able to get out.

[QUOTE]You're ether really stupid or chose to read some things while ignoring others. You quoted the post where I gave links showing proof that Kisame took out Roushi alone. Since you want to act like a complete moron I'll post them again with the conversation written out.

Kisame: You only say that because you don’t know what he’s capable of. The “four tails” uses many different elemental fusions. This Jinchuuriki was no pushover. I assure you. You didn’t fight him directly; I wouldn’t expect you to understand what I went through.

So, Itachi did fight Roushi! Exept it wasnt directly I guess.

And why did you bring this back up?

Itachi: ….

Kisame: HMPH Then again, I was the one who wanted to go by himself perhaps you’ll let me beat your target half to death too?

Itachi: Don’t get cocky, Kisame



353-3 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/353/003/) & 353-4 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/353/004/). Kisame fought by himself Itachi wasn't even there according to the conversation they had in the manga.

Kisame said himself that itachi fought him, just not directly "probably with genjutsu". And he said he wanted to go alone, meaning he didnt go alone. So, itachi was involved in the fight by what kisame said.

You're evidence was already voided due to the fact that Sasuke hit KB with Chirodi directly 412-14 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/014/). Sasuke did not channel his lightning through water retard Suigetsu was simply holding KB in place to give Sasuke an easy target. KB was affected by it the reason he survived is because KB is a Jinchuuriki who's extremely strong. It has nothing to do with him being a raiton user.

Proof raiton doesnt effect people too strong?:confused:

Allow me to prove you wrong right now 141-09 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/141/09/). Asuma uses chakra blades & infuses them with wind based chakra. Wind based chakra is considered the sharpest type of chakra. Samehada was able to withstand asuma's blades. Samehada is a magic weapon that eats chakra & shreds like sharks teeth 141-11/12 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/141/11-12/). Samehada itself has chakra & reacts to what's around it showing a conciseness within the sword. Notice how it reacted to someone else trying to use it against it's master 257-17 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/257/17/). Notice how the sword moves on it's own back into Kisame's hands 258-2 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/258/02/). Don't compare a living weapon to Zabuza's peace of shit sword.

Dude, our debate is so old I dont even know what your referencing.

Buuji are said to have unlimited chakra. Naruto couldn't draw on more chakra because Samehada was suppressing it. If that was the case that Kisame would need to swing his sword each & every time to cut off that chakra flow Naruto would of been able to simply call on more chakra from Kyuubi. But as we both saw Naruto couldn't because Samehada was eating & suppressing his buuji chakra. At this time Naruto already received training from Jiraiya on how to conjure buuji chakra so you're point is moot.

Manga panel saying Bijuu have unlimited chakra?

KB dominated Hawk because he was far stronger then his opponents. KB won't be able to simply overpower Kisame like he did with Hawk for the reasons I listed above & because Kisame himself is a powerhouse. KBs only Raiton use was done through chakra conjunction through blades & I already proven above why that wouldn't work on Samehada. KBs Buuji is also out of play because of Samehada's abilities which gives Kisame a clear edge in this fight over KB. His unorthodox style won't matter because Kisame has the reach advantage. Kisame uses that reach to make KBs sword dance seem like a waste of energy. All the while by simply blocking & countering with trust or wide swings Kisame would also be draining KB of chakra because of Samehada’s abilites. All & all Kisame pwnz KB.

Lol, your comparing a wind blade to a Raiton blade that can pierce "anything" Including earth style that no wind blade can. So, whats this about a wind blade being the sharpest tool if a raiton blade is more effective?
Explained in this post Ron.


Actually you didn't. I already proved that wrong at least 3 times now & am getting tired of repeating myself. Get evidence that actually proves your case or drop the issue. You've clearly lost this argument already.

Again, proved what wrong? I cant remember much about our original debate because its ancient.

PS: For anyone reading my post. I'm not saying that Samehada can nullify all chakra attacks such as FRS or Kirin. Obviously that would make him way to powerful lol. All I'm saying is that it can withstand chakra conjunction(Asuma, Sasuke, & KB do this) within other weapons by eating the chakra(or simply because the sword is that powerful). Proof was shown in Asuma vs Kisame.

LMAO, Kirin is pure lightning and i never said samehada could nullify elemental attacks. Just the FRS because the core of the attack is a rasengan made of pure chakra.

Wow !!!

KYF thinks Kisame's sword can render Naruto's strongest attack useless. What a shock !!! :rolleyes:

Vengeance...

The reason Naruto couldn't draw out Kyubi's chakra is because whenever he would ask Kyubi for chakra, it would lend him a small amount and not a continuous flow of chakra till he went tailed state. Nowhere is it written that Samehada can suppress chakra...just devour. If Naruto went tailed state (1 tail or more) then he receives a continuous flow of Kyubi's chakra which cannot be suppressed by anything (other than maybe "Uchiha power" as stated by Madara) but definitely not a damn pesky sword.

Even if Samehada has chakra absorption capabilities, its not indestructible. That sword can be destroyed and then Kisame is no longer the same. We might not have seen the fullest extent of Kisame's taijutsu capabilities, but till we see anything significant...I'd like to think that he is strong...but definitely not the strongest (in terms of physical strength) shinobi. Killerbee's taijutsu skills were "far superior" to Sasuke's taijutsu skills which were enough to trouble Itachi (a bit) and Deidera (a lot). So saying that one stretch of Kisame's sword and Killerbee's sword attacks are rendered useless really is "giving too much respect to Kisame".

Finally, Kisame cannot drain chakra out of a person. No. You say that Kisame will drain Killerbee's chakra out of him. Thats only possible if Killerbee creates some chakra first. He cannot absorb chakra out of someon's body....that's just preposterous, unless you mean otherwise...

Wow !!!

KYF thinks Kisame's sword can render Naruto's strongest attack useless. What a shock !!! :rolleyes:

Had to get your afternoon whine out of the way didnt you, lol. Anyways, the rasengan is pure chakra so its theoretically possible dagoro. Unless you can prove me wrong, instead of whinning about my posts as usuall.

Had to get your afternoon whine out of the way didnt you, lol. Anyways, the rasengan is pure chakra so its theoretically possible dagoro. Unless you can prove me wrong, instead of whinning about my posts as usuall.

Yes the Rasengan is a form of chakra...but its spatially recompositioned chakra of the highest level and therefore it doesn't have the quintessential characteristics of normal "chakra" to be absorbed so easily.

Clicky (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/187/02/)

If you re-read the above episode, you'd remember that Naruto tried a Rasengan attack inside that dome...but it didn't work. That dome shaped structure constantly absorbed chakra from their bodies. So the moment Naruto created Rasengan, it should have been absorbed if it was just chakra. But as I said, Rasengan is chakra, but spatially recomposed to the highest level so some of its characteristics change and it can be used as a jutsu. Even though it is a ball of chakra...it cannot be absorbed...

The only entity who could actually absorb attacks was Fat Pain, but he could absorb "ninjutsus" meaning whole attacks. So that is why he was able to absord Rasen-Shuriken.

I don't think I can say the same for Kisame's sword Samehada...

So, Itachi did fight Roushi! Exept it wasnt directly I guess.

And why did you bring this back up?

Kisame said himself that itachi fought him, just not directly "probably with genjutsu". And he said he wanted to go alone, meaning he didnt go alone. So, itachi was involved in the fight by what kisame said..
Actually if you read further Kisame states "I was the one who wanted to go by himself" Which means Kisame went to fight Roushi alone. Kisame was acting cocky because he beat Roushi on his own. Kisame then ask if Itachi would let him beat his Jink half to death as well (since Itachi let Kisame fight Roushi alone). Itachi responds don't get cocky. I really don't see how you think Itachi actually did anything in this fight. Especially with how cocky Kisame was by asking if he could take out the nine tails by himself as well.

Proof raiton doesnt effect people too strong?:confused:
I take it you ran out of things to say LMAO.


Dude, our debate is so old I dont even know what your referencing.
Actually it's from Friday which wasn't to long ago. The only reason I wrote this up is because you responded to my post acting like you know what you're talking about. FYI look at what's quoted when responding if you really have no clue. This is in regards to you thinking raiton conjunction in blades would destroy Samehada.


Manga panel saying Bijuu have unlimited chakra?
Try re-reading the manga from page 1 up until current. Then read up on all the data books. I don't have time to explain basics to you. Fact is Naruto couldn't call on more chakra which proves my original point on Samehada.

Lol, your comparing a wind blade to a Raiton blade that can pierce "anything" Including earth style that no wind blade can. So, whats this about a wind blade being the sharpest tool if a raiton blade is more effective?
Explained in this post Ron.
Raiton isn't more effective then fuuton. Re-read the manga note Naruto's training in fuuton with Kakashi. This is cannon Ron.

Again, proved what wrong? I cant remember much about our original debate because its ancient.
You're dumb idea about trying to channel lightning through water while the user is standing on it. It's already been disproved more then once.


LMAO, Kirin is pure lightning and i never said samehada could nullify elemental attacks. Just the FRS because the core of the attack is a rasengan made of pure chakra.
Yeah that's more along the lines for anyone else who may have miss interpreted what I said.


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Vengeance...

The reason Naruto couldn't draw out Kyubi's chakra is because whenever he would ask Kyubi for chakra, it would lend him a small amount and not a continuous flow of chakra till he went tailed state. Nowhere is it written that Samehada can suppress chakra...just devour. If Naruto went tailed state (1 tail or more) then he receives a continuous flow of Kyubi's chakra which cannot be suppressed by anything (other than maybe "Uchiha power" as stated by Madara) but definitely not a damn pesky sword.
Once Kisame swung Samehada Naruto was no longer able to draw out the Kuuybi chakra. We all know that the Kyuubi lives inside Naruto & that Naruto draws his red chakra from Kyuubi. One swing would not be enough to completely drain Kyuubi. The only other explanation is that Samehada severed the conection or suppressed it.

Even if Samehada has chakra absorption capabilities, its not indestructible. That sword can be destroyed and then Kisame is no longer the same. We might not have seen the fullest extent of Kisame's taijutsu capabilities, but till we see anything significant...I'd like to think that he is strong...but definitely not the strongest (in terms of physical strength) shinobi. Killerbee's taijutsu skills were "far superior" to Sasuke's taijutsu skills which were enough to trouble Itachi (a bit) and Deidera (a lot). So saying that one stretch of Kisame's sword and Killerbee's sword attacks are rendered useless really is "giving too much respect to Kisame".
How would it be destroyed? Mere chakra conjunction wouldn't be enough to brake Samehada as already proven against Asuma.

Finally, Kisame cannot drain chakra out of a person. No. You say that Kisame will drain Killerbee's chakra out of him. Thats only possible if Killerbee creates some chakra first. He cannot absorb chakra out of someon's body....that's just preposterous, unless you mean otherwise...
It's more in reference to the Buuji chakra living within KB. KB would be unable to call on that chakra (As shown against Naruto) while he's fighting Kisame. Which takes tailed states & Buuji mode out of the argument.

Actually...Kyubi is the only Bijuu that has unlimited chakra. All others have "almost unlimited" chakra which is still pretty much unfathomable by normal human standards...but technically, Kyubi is the only one from the Unlimited Club...:D

Actually...Kyubi is the only Bijuu that has unlimited chakra. All others have "almost unlimited" chakra which is still pretty much unfathomable by normal human standards...but technically, Kyubi is the only one from the Unlimited Club...:D
Which was my original point anyway. The comment was about Naruto. He has Kyuubi (unlimited chakra) yet couldn't draw on the Kyuubi's chakra after only one swing from Kisame's sword.

Which was my original point anyway. The comment was about Naruto. He has Kyuubi (unlimited chakra) yet couldn't draw on the Kyuubi's chakra after only one swing from Kisame's sword.

You do realise that initially Kyubi only lent him a little amount of his chakra and Naruto didn't know how to control its power either. That, plus like I said in my last post, if he went tail mode, then a single Samehada swipe would not empty his chakra shroud at once...

You do realise that initially Kyubi only lent him a little amount of his chakra and Naruto didn't know how to control its power either. That, plus like I said in my last post, if he went tail mode, then a single Samehada swipe would not empty his chakra shroud at once...
Actually Naruto at this point was trained in how to access Kyuubi chakra. Naruto lost the chakra he gathered from Kyuubi then why couldn't he simply gather more since Kyuubi's chakra is unlimited? Naruto even tried to yet he couldn't. The idea is to not let it even get to a tailed state. None of these fighters go straight into tailed forms. It's possible that Samehada could take a Jink out of a tailed state based on it's abilities. If the connection can no longer be accessed(like with Naruto) then it doesn't matter how many times they try to gather Buuji chakra. Once KB tries to gather chakra to enter a tailed state all Kisame has to so is feed Samehada to cancel it out & KB will no longer be able to access more. It would also be extreemly difficult for KB since he's a close range fighter which puts him in close proximity of Samehada.

Edit: anyway gtg ttul

Actually Naruto at this point was trained in how to access Kyuubi chakra. Naruto lost the chakra he gathered from Kyuubi then why couldn't he simply gather more since Kyuubi's chakra is unlimited? Naruto even tried to yet he couldn't. The idea is to not let it even get to a tailed state. None of these fighters go straight into tailed forms. It's possible that Samehada could take a Jink out of a tailed state based on it's abilities. If the connection can no longer be accessed(like with Naruto) then it doesn't matter how many times they try to gather Buuji chakra. Once KB tries to gather chakra to enter a tailed state all Kisame has to so is feed Samehada to cancel it out & KB will no longer be able to access more. It would also be extreemly difficult for KB since he's a close range fighter which puts him in close proximity of Samehada.

Edit: anyway gtg ttul

Naruto was not trained in any way. He just had to deplete his own chakra and then had to call Kyubi's chakra on his own. Even though he managed to do it, he had no control over it. Otherwise he would have been able to gather more chakra from Kyubi. It was because he was unable to control Kyubi's chakra that he was stuck like that...otherwise he'd just have made more chakra. Kyubi's chakra is unlimited so Samehada could go on absorbing it all day and it wouldn't make the slightest difference until Naruto went berserk and either killed Kisame or destroyed Samehada.

Most fighters do not go straight into tailed state because they don't feel the need to. When they sense danger or a foe strong enough to cause trouble, they go straight into their main forms....let alone Semi, tailed forms.

Don't know about you but I, for one, absolutely refuse to believe that Samehada can shave off the entire link between the Jinchuuriki and its Bijuu's chakra. Thats too much really for a guy like Kisame...

This whole Samehada eating chakra thing bugs me. I think ill reserve my speculation until I see it action further than one swipe, pre-timeskip. There must be some limitations on it. I swear, it almost seems like Kishi just threw that ability in there for that situation(which of course doesn't make it any less canon), as an afterthought, to take Naruto out of the equation.

This whole Samehada eating chakra thing bugs me. I think ill reserve my speculation until I see it action further than one swipe, pre-timeskip. There must be some limitations on it. I swear, it almost seems like Kishi just threw that ability in there for that situation(which of course doesn't make it any less canon), as an afterthought, to take Naruto out of the equation.

I assume it can only prevent the early transformations, keyword: assume. It would be beyond rigged if it stopped say a near complete transformation, such as Naruto's 4-tailed stage.

Man I wish Golden Week wasn't chapter-free.

Actually if you read further Kisame states "I was the one who wanted to go by himself" Which means Kisame went to fight Roushi alone. Kisame was acting cocky because he beat Roushi on his own. Kisame then ask if Itachi would let him beat his Jink half to death as well (since Itachi let Kisame fight Roushi alone). Itachi responds don't get cocky. I really don't see how you think Itachi actually did anything in this fight. Especially with how cocky Kisame was by asking if he could take out the nine tails by himself as well.

It can also mean kisame wanted to go alone, but itachi still went with him. And kisame stated itachi didnt fight roushi directly. So, itachi must have fought roushi indirectly with some assistance or a genjutsu.

I take it you ran out of things to say LMAO.

i take it you have no proof, lamo! You critisise me, then cant back up your own words.:rolleyes:

Actually it's from Friday which wasn't to long ago. The only reason I wrote this up is because you responded to my post acting like you know what you're talking about. FYI look at what's quoted when responding if you really have no clue. This is in regards to you thinking raiton conjunction in blades would destroy Samehada.

Its long to me because I had alot of other debates since then. Anyways, A Raiton blade can penetrate anything, fact! So wheres you proof that Samehada cant be pierced by raiton?
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/114/04/
Try re-reading the manga from page 1 up until current. Then read up on all the data books. I don't have time to explain basics to you. Fact is Naruto couldn't call on more chakra which proves my original point on Samehada.

What, that samehada will cancel out FTG?

Raiton isn't more effective then fuuton. Re-read the manga note Naruto's training in fuuton with Kakashi. This is cannon Ron.

Fuuton can merely cut and slice. But Raiton can do that as well with the added benifit of being able to pierce anything!http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/114/04/

Example: it took naruto FTG to cut human realm in halfhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/432/08/, while kakashi mere chidori cut demon realm in half and that guys a freaking robot. http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/423/13/

Do you need anymore proof?

You're dumb idea about trying to channel lightning through water while the user is standing on it. It's already been disproved more then once.

If the enemy is on a lake and a considerable distance away the raiton would have no effect. But, it the raiton jutsu rather large like kakashis raiton bushin or his raiton wolf or sasukes kirin, and the enemy was close. Then the attack would do some damage without a doubt.

Prove me wrong through manga panles otherwise accept it.

Yeah that's more along the lines for anyone else who may have miss interpreted what I said.


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Once Kisame swung Samehada Naruto was no longer able to draw out the Kuuybi chakra. We all know that the Kyuubi lives inside Naruto & that Naruto draws his red chakra from Kyuubi. One swing would not be enough to completely drain Kyuubi. The only other explanation is that Samehada severed the conection or suppressed it.

I tried to explain to you that naruto had limited control of the kyuubi chakra and he could only draw it out with anger or while being out of chakra which he wasnt.

How would it be destroyed? Mere chakra conjunction wouldn't be enough to brake Samehada as already proven against Asuma.

Asumas little chakra blade may scuff samehada, but thats all. Meanwhile, a raiton attack should be able to cut the thing in half. Not including pirecing samehada which is a fact it can because raiton can pierce "anything"!

It's more in reference to the Buuji chakra living within KB. KB would be unable to call on that chakra (As shown against Naruto) while he's fighting Kisame. Which takes tailed states & Buuji mode out of the argument.[/QUOTE]

Again, naruto had limited control over his kyuubi powers, meanwhile, KB has full control so the two are incompareable.

If kisame suchs up one tail then KB will just grow three more and so on because he has full control of his bijuu power unlike naruto when his power was eaten.

Vengeance i give u props lol u actually took time out to make him look like a dumb ass ha...

Btw once again read the manga KIF, ANY JUTSU REQUIRES CHAKRA THERE IS NO SUCH A THING AS AN ELEMENTAL JUTSU AND HALF REGULAR JUTSU LMFAOOO.

I understand its almost impossible for ur stupid ass to comprehend this but kishi himself explains this throughout his manga, and he personally takes ur theory and spits in ur face. The fact that u actually believe elemental ninjutsu haVE NO CHAKRA in them once the element is added to the chakra is SO FUCKIGN SAD.

Do u thrive off of being the biggest moron on this message board?

Vengeance i give u props lol u actually took time out to make him look like a dumb ass ha...

Btw once again read the manga KIF, ANY JUTSU REQUIRES CHAKRA THERE IS NO SUCH A THING AS AN ELEMENTAL JUTSU AND HALF REGULAR JUTSU LMFAOOO.

I understand its almost impossible for ur stupid ass to comprehend this but kishi himself explains this throughout his manga, and he personally takes ur theory and spits in ur face. The fact that u actually believe elemental ninjutsu haVE NO CHAKRA in them once the element is added to the chakra is SO FUCKIGN SAD.

Do u thrive off of being the biggest moron on this message board?

Oh no, I feel so stupid with my proof and his assumtions. Awweee:rolleyes:

And your the idoit that thinks a rasengan is an element of some kind, chump. Let me explain in Lamens terms, OK.

Rasengan is pure chakra, fuuton it chakra converted wind. Take that pure chakra jutsu and add wind, you get a wind rasengan that still consists of half pure chakra because of the rasengan. OK now does mythy Understandy boo boo?

LMAO, your the worse troll ever myth. no wonder the mods make fun of you.

Oh no, I feel so stupid with my proof and his assumtions. Awweee:rolleyes:

And your the idoit that thinks a rasengan is an element of some kind, chump. Let me explain in Lamens terms, OK.

Rasengan is pure chakra, fuuton it chakra converted wind. Take that pure chakra jutsu and add wind, you get a wind rasengan that still consists of half pure chakra because of the rasengan. OK now does mythy Understandy boo boo?

LMAO, your the worse troll ever myth. no wonder the mods make fun of you.



Im not trolling you though, and if i was u wouldn't have fallen for it since im sucha bad troll:rolleyes: cover ur ass so it won't speak for you...

ur the biggest idiot i know u yourself said this or at least to how u explained it before "all elemental jutsu use chakra but once u add ur element it becomes either katon suiton etc etc..."

So u stupid moron if u add wind natured chakra to a rasengan it no longer is a regular rasengan yes its a rasengan but a wind rasengan. there is no 50% crap, idk where u are getting this from whats worse , u actually believe ur right when MNAGA ITSELF SAYS UR FUCKING WRONG.

oh btw trust me once again the mods hate u way more i think ur the most hated member on this forum actually.

but then again WE ARE ALL NARUTARDS AND WE DON'T KNOW SHIT BUT U KYF KNOWS EVERYTHING AND IS ALWAYS RIGHT.

trust me ur a fucking loser to a point where 1 can't fail more ur never right never stamp that shit on ur forehead if its needed. U SUCK AT WHAT U DO u provide no proof and when proof is shoved in ur face u deny it and make another stupid ass theory which makes no sense. UR FUCKING LAME if im flaming u guess what i honestly don't care.

I understand if only 1 person thinks ur wrong ok 2 3 5 people but hen the entire naruto section laughs at u and picks ur shit apart and ur reply to it is we are all narutards and ur the only one with facts..... u have another fucking thing coming.....

Im not trolling you though, and if i was u wouldn't have fallen for it since im sucha bad troll:rolleyes: cover ur ass so it won't speak for you...

ur the biggest idiot i know u yourself said this or at least to how u explained it before "all elemental jutsu use chakra but once u add ur element it becomes either katon suiton etc etc..."

So u stupid moron if u add wind natured chakra to a rasengan it no longer is a regular rasengan yes its a rasengan but a wind rasengan. there is no 50% crap, idk where u are getting this from whats worse , u actually believe ur right when MNAGA ITSELF SAYS UR FUCKING WRONG.

oh btw trust me once again the mods hate u way more i think ur the most hated member on this forum actually.

but then again WE ARE ALL NARUTARDS AND WE DON'T KNOW SHIT BUT U KYF KNOWS EVERYTHING AND IS ALWAYS RIGHT.

trust me ur a fucking loser to a point where 1 can't fail more ur never right never stamp that shit on ur forehead if its needed. U SUCK AT WHAT U DO u provide no proof and when proof is shoved in ur face u deny it and make another stupid ass theory which makes no sense. UR FUCKING LAME if im flaming u guess what i honestly don't care.

I understand if only 1 person thinks ur wrong ok 2 3 5 people but hen the entire naruto section laughs at u and picks ur shit apart and ur reply to it is we are all narutards and ur the only one with facts..... u have another fucking thing coming.....

blah blah Blah! My oppinion is greater than manga facts because Im a douchy fag named Myth.

Just drop it! I didnt say what you quoted. i said "Elemental jutsu start off as chakra and the transform into an element ect". All you did was take my words and twist them around to fit you ignorance as usuall.

LMAO! Im hated? Dont be mad because the mods rape you with words of truth. Your just a immature child with too much time on his hands.

And I gie proof "manga panles/DB info" while you give your ignorant oppinion as usuall so go sit on a upside down stool, stand up, rotate and repeat.

Also, Again, I dont care what a bunch of hypocritical narutards think of me, "you know who you are". But, not you vengence. im only refering to like five members in peticular, not the whole forum so just stop this retarted propaganda attempt to win over a friend, lol.

Your truely sad myth. Your a horrible troll, your an arrogant pric "thinking your oppinion>manga" and obviously inadaquate when it comes to debating because all you do is insult your little heart out like a frail child.

P.S. B-O-O-H-O-O!

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