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Vengeance
07-06-2009, 10:09 PM
WFT? I agreed that SG genjutsu against all six realms wont work because of the shared vision, but because this is only nagato vs sasuke then SG genjutsu would be perhaps sasukes best weapon against Nagato who has no genjutsu as arsenal for battle.
Yeah that was someone elses argument. My reasoning is very simple. You're trying to over power someone's senses by targeting their eyes. However since Rinnegan is stated as the most powerful eye this should mean that eye based genjutsu would be ineffective. This is a really simple concept which I'm not arguing with you over.
So, sasuke attacks, but gets halted by nagatos ST which causes him to use genjutsu instead. So, sasuke hits nagato with tsukuyomi and shit stomp rapes him because theres not another path or konan to break him out, sasuke wins!
No Sasuke doesn't win because of what I stated above. Also you need to go by the original ruling I gave on Genjutsu. Try again.

I know this, but we never got to see how skillfully nagato could use elemental ninjutsu which will just leave alot of speculation.
This is why I left it a basic straight forward B-Ranked ninjutsu. Youare aware that most of Sasuke's Raiton are all A ranked or better right? seriouslly I thought you were a Sasuke fan...

Gedos the big ass statue, right?
Yes Gedo is the big arse soul stealing statue.


Use his brain for once:confused: WTF are you serious? Just because sasuke ignorantly tried to capture KB alive without being healed doesnt mean he doesnt use his head "a mistake sasuke admitted too". What about sasuke outsmarting Oro, diedara and een pulling one over on itachi by slipping past amaterasu by leaving a burnt sasuke body to draw him onto a fire ball ambush that was also meant to set up kirin?
Bla bla bla Sasuke still got fucked up. Orochimaru was dieing, Diedara has an element disadvantage & would of won if it wasn't for CS. Itachi held back on Amaterasu because he didn't want to kill his brother. Sasuke missed with said fireball & Kirin failed because it's a predictable jutsu. Itachi gave him that fight this is a fact. If Itachi wanted to kill Sasuke he would have this was stated byMadara.



LMFAO! Sasukes genjutsu would rape nagato without anyother body around to help. And even amaterasu or Kirin would kill nagato after sasuke drew out his ST attack which gives sasuke five seconds to catch nagato with amaterasu or kirin after being prepared. So this whole "someone he cant beat" is BS unless you weaken sasuke by intentionally taking away genjutsu which is just a cheap way to make a fight sasuke cant win just like the counter fight I made "SM naruto with no rasengan/FR/FRS or ultimate vs Deva and animal realm"
Lol,^a fight naruto would most likly no win at full strength, but without rasengan variations its assured. but, thats a cheap boring fight by taking away strengths so lets stop doing that.
Genjutsu wouldn't work as a mentioned above stronger eye dumbarse. Amaterasu can be repelled back in Sasuke's face while Kirin is predictable & can actually be dodged. I gave Nagato elemental jutsu for a reason which is to not spam gravity but use it as a last minute blocking method. The elemental jutsu could be used for normal attacking while gravity is used as ether a finisher or to block a last minute attack. Again Sasuke isn't weakened I just clarified that genjutsu based on vision wouldn't work on someone who has a superior eye. Naruto has nothing to do with this you'r just ranting now.

Myth
07-06-2009, 10:19 PM
Nagato would win easily he can use bansho tennin to draw sauske nd stab him sasuke can't defend against that.. fight over or he can use chibaku tensei nd kill him like that. sasuke doesn't have the skill to beat someone like pain naruto did thanks to sage mode without sage mode naruto was getting his ass kicked as well...

If u look back nd this is fact god realm could never even lay a finger on naruto when he was in sage mode yup not once everytime naruto would flip him or kick him to the ground...

platinumrug
07-06-2009, 10:22 PM
And cant handel it:confused: were talking about bugs who are apart nature like the frogs who use NE as a weapon.

Just show me where its says bugs will turn into stone if they eat NE?



Dude, sakura is super strong like SM naruto and even killed animalrealms centipede summon wiht one puch so yes she stands a good chance as well as chouji who can use super expantion jutsu to become the same size as gamabunta then wrestle him while sakura punches the shit out of him. Better yet, chouji can take his akamichi food pills which will make him about as strong as SM naruto and sakura so yes they can handel bunat, no doubt!

And WTF, SM naruto circumstantailly beat pain! He didnt show up and beat pain at his best all by himself, NOOOOOOOO! So dont use pain proof of SM naruto supirority over all the rookies at once in a fight.

i admit the rookies jutsu by themselves arent very strong, but all together are very powerful.

Yeah just because she killed some whack ass centipede summon do you honestly think she'll hold a candle to fucking Gamabunta????? And Chouji is weak as shit, he can go and use his pills all he wants, you saw what happened to him the last time he used them things, that shit is like a CS boost for him, once it wears off it's over. Plus I'm sure Naruto could summon the other toads as well, making Sakura and Chouji's fight against Bunta a fail because they'd have to put up with all of the toads, not just one.

I never said Naruto showed up and whooped his ass, fact is, he beat Pain, the guy that completely crushed the fucking village, that makes him automatically stronger than all of the rookie's. I agree that together, the rookie's might be able to put a dent in Naruto but they will not be able to defeat him, not by a long shot. And do you not think that Naruto DOESN'T know all of their weaknesses and jutsu's? Come on now, he could probably see through half of their formations. Simply put, they will not beat him, ever in their lives.

Vengeance
07-06-2009, 10:26 PM
No more assumtions about what something can do because unless it happens in the manga then its not a fact.
Fact #1: If you take in nature chakra & can't handle it you'll turn into a toad statue. Shino's bugs have no experience in absorbing natural chakra.

Im sorry you must be joking:confused: Bugs arent human so even if they NE Im rahter sure they wouldnt turm into stone. However, I know for a fact that the bugs or anyone else that ate sage chakra "not Pure NE" wouldnt turn into stone so thats null and void. Shino could still drain SM naruto!
Your argument on bugs not being human is VOID please read above. Look at what happened to HG for a reference.


And shika SP was overpowered when he was warn out and tayuya went C2 level incresing her chakra about 10 fold so thats undertandable, but she was still immobilised.
CS chakra used by a mediocre chakra capacity person vs unlimited bijuu chakra/super chakra via sage mode. Yeah ok Naruto would brake Shika's shadow easily sorry dude.

And the fact that shika caught hidan and kakauzu "pretty big chakra level" with jutsu a Kage mane chakra blade combo says enough about how much shika can really hold so bringing up shika Post time skip failure means nothing compared to his post time skip succes against hidan and kakuzu.
Hidan & Kakazu don't have bijuu chakra, CS ability, or Sage Chakra. Your argument is now VOID.
Since I cleared that up,
You cleared nothing up please read above.
the rookes even without gated Lee ":rolleyes:" could still beat SM naruto, but not KN naruto after SM.
Yeah ok how when they can't even damage him?
I mean sakura and chouji can keep gamabunta busy
Chouji is a huge arse target. I already mentioned Sakura's ability to take out summons in my original post about this fight. She still has nothing on Naruto himself.
while Kiba and akamaru hendge into super dog fang over fang
All they could do was dent a door. Not an impressive feet of strength. Naruto already knows their weakness which is farting.
while Weights free drunken Lee attacks from the other direction
Lee can't do enough damage to even phase Naruto. Naruto in sage mode is allot faster than Lee without weights.
while Neji attacks from behind with his ultimate 128 after neji use his palm blast to knock naruto off balance into lee and Kibas attacks.
How is Neji getting behind Naruto in the first place? Neji is also slow & his taijutsu wouldn't do anygood since Naruto can actually kill without hitting his opponent while Neji can't. Naruto's speed would make it impossible for Neji to target Naruto's chakra points.

Meanwhile, shika can catch SM naruto with SP then hold him down with Shadow sewing which not even SM naruto will power out of
I mentioned this already Naruto can & will brake shika's shadow.
so shino can hit naruto with every bug he has and drain his current SM which brings him back to base and warn down some.
Already mentioned this if Shino tries to drain Naruto his bugs would turn to stone.
Then, with narutos SM taken by shinos bugs, Neji or hinata can shut off naruto chakra system which mean he cant use SM anymore and will thus lose.
Hinata sucks & would be one of the first to die. Neji would most likely attack first with the faster people & would be taken out early as well.

Remember, sakura and chouji are keeping gamabunta busy with theyre brute strength.

Question: where are they fighting because that makes a big difference?
Yeah that doesn't matter ether since Naruto would destroy these guys in seconds. You act like it's going to take more than 3 seconds to take out some of these guys when they have nothing to actually fight Naruto with.

Location doesn't even matter Naruto would still pwn them.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-06-2009, 10:30 PM
[QUOTE]Yeah that was someone elses argument. My reasoning is very simple. You're trying to over power someone's senses by targeting their eyes. However since Rinnegan is stated as the most powerful eye this should mean that eye based genjutsu would be ineffective. This is a really simple concept which I'm not arguing with you over.

Not eye, eye technique/jutsu! Lol, because the Rinnegan is a supirior doujutsu then SG genjutsu which is the strongest wont work? I suppose neji cant use his Byakugan to see into nagatos chakra points in the eyes because the rinnegan is the supirior doujutsu? seriously:confused:

^Just more assumtion which arent manga facts so dont use them.

No Sasuke doesn't win because of what I stated above. Also you need to go by the original ruling I gave on Genjutsu. Try again.

If you wouldve said sasuke couldnt use genjutsu the fine, but your trying to peedle your oppinion about the rinnegan as manga fact that SG genjutsu wont work. Seriously, assumtions dont prove anything!

This is why I left it a basic straight forward B-Ranked ninjutsu. Youare aware that most of Sasuke's Raiton are all A ranked or better right? seriouslly I thought you were a Sasuke fan...

Thats not the point! I keep trying to explain to everyone that a lower rank jutsu can beat a higher one with skill so it doesnt matter how many jutsu nagato has because we dont know how skilled he is with them "the elemental".

Yes Gedo is the big arse soul stealing statue.

But the soul stealing statue just sits there and shoots an energy dragon which sucks out the soul of anyone who comes in contact. however, its not very fast so how would sasuke lose so eaily to it with his SG reflexes and speed that was able to outmaneuver and redirect 3tail KB in mid air?

Bla bla bla Sasuke still got fucked up. Orochimaru was dieing, Diedara has an element disadvantage & would of won if it wasn't for CS. Itachi held back on Amaterasu because he didn't want to kill his brother. Sasuke missed with said fireball & Kirin failed because it's a predictable jutsu. Itachi gave him that fight this is a fact. If Itachi wanted to kill Sasuke he would have this was stated byMadara.

Oro dieing doesnt matter because sasuke planned a strategy to take out Oro with little effort so he could live to fight his brother. And deidara had an element disadvanatge, but had the high ground and supirior ability to maneuver by flying which more then makes up for the elemental disadvanatge so dont even cat like that fight wasnt fair. Lol, kishi even gave deidara a bran new arm to make it fair so dont.

And I know itachi wanted sasuke to win. However, itachi used amaterasu on sasuke then immediatly put it out, but sasuke had already hendged and then ambushed with a fire ball from beloew that fried itachis arm proving he was caught off guard because itachi wouldnt let an attack hit him on purpose.

Genjutsu wouldn't work as a mentioned above stronger eye dumbarse. Amaterasu can be repelled back in Sasuke's face while Kirin is predictable & can actually be dodged. I gave Nagato elemental jutsu for a reason which is to not spam it but use it as a last minute blocking method. The elemental jutsu could be used for normal attacking while gravity is used as ether a finisher or to block a last minute attack. Again Sasuke isn't weakened I just clarified that genjutsu based on vision wouldn't work on someone who has a superior eye. Naruto has nothing to do with this you'r just ranting now.

Again, assumtions mean nothing in a thread of manga facts and manga panels so the SG can and would be able to effect and most likly beat nagato because he showed no powerful genjutsu in battle, justu ninjutsu, kinjutsu ect.

And how would nagato use ST to blow amaterasu back when the jutsu is guided by sasukes eyes. Not to even mention the speed at which amaterasu luanches at its target. And WTF kirin could be dodged? that jutsu is almost instant and if nagato knew it was comming he would be powerless to stop it because there no way he could even react to kirin with ST because its too fast.

Vengeance
07-06-2009, 10:53 PM
Not eye, eye technique/jutsu! Lol, because the Rinnegan is a supirior doujutsu then SG genjutsu which is the strongest wont work? I suppose neji cant use his Byakugan to see into nagatos chakra points in the eyes because the rinnegan is the supirior doujutsu? seriously:confused:
Not arguing sharingan genjutsu with you. I mentioned this before just read my previous post.

^Just more assumtion which arent manga facts so dont use them.
The manga fact is that Rinnegan is superior to Sharingan.
If you wouldve said sasuke couldnt use genjutsu the fine, but your trying to peedle your oppinion about the rinnegan as manga fact that SG genjutsu wont work. Seriously, assumtions dont prove anything!
Still talking about genjutsu? I already mentioned this please read my previous post. I'm not getting into a repeating game with you on something I clarified when I made the fight.
Thats not the point! I keep trying to explain to everyone that a lower rank jutsu can beat a higher one with skill so it doesnt matter how many jutsu nagato has because we dont know how skilled he is with them "the elemental".
LMAO... ummm yeah you must be slow if you think D-C ranked jutsu can overpower B ranked jutsu. I guess you really don't know Sasuke's jutsu that well.
But the soul stealing statue just sits there and shoots an energy dragon which sucks out the soul of anyone who comes in contact. however, its not very fast so how would sasuke lose so eaily to it with his SG reflexes and speed that was able to outmaneuver and redirect 3tail KB in mid air?
Yeah it's so slow that it stole the souls of an entire platoon of shinobi in mere seconds & forced Hanzou to run away. Yeah ok just be thankful that I banned Gedo.

Oro dieing doesnt matter because sasuke planned a strategy to take out Oro with little effort so he could live to fight his brother.
Still doesn't change the fact that Oro was a dieing man & would have killed Sasuke if he was healthy as stated by Sasuke himself.
And deidara had an element disadvanatge, but had the high ground and supirior ability to maneuver by flying which more then makes up for the elemental disadvanatge so dont even cat like that fight wasnt fair. Lol, kishi even gave deidara a bran new arm to make it fair so dont.
Yeah & if it wasn't for the CS gift Oro gave Sasuke he would have died. If it wasn't for Orochimaru's abilities to summon snakes he would have died. FYI Sasuke doesn't have these abilities anymore LMAO.
And I know itachi wanted sasuke to win. However, itachi used amaterasu on sasuke then immediatly put it out, but sasuke had already hendged and then ambushed with a fire ball from beloew that fried itachis arm proving he was caught off guard because itachi wouldnt let an attack hit him on purpose.
Ummm yeah... So you admit that Itachi through the fight which means what Sasuke did here isn't actually creditable at all since Itachi was holding back right?
Again, assumtions mean nothing in a thread of manga facts and manga panels so the SG can and would be able to effect and most likly beat nagato because he showed no powerful genjutsu in battle, justu ninjutsu, kinjutsu ect.
Actually manga facts showed that Sasuke normal sharingan could overpower MS since Sasuke had the high chakra capacity. FYI Nagato's hakra capacity trumps Sasuke by miles plus he has the superior eye.

And how would nagato use ST to blow amaterasu back when the jutsu is guided by sasukes eyes.
The same way he negated all the other ninjutsu that were used against him. Amaterasu doesn't vanish which means it would have to go somewhere once it's repealed. Meaning it would go right back into Sasuke's face.
Not to even mention the speed at which amaterasu luanches at its target.
Sasuke has to blink while Nagato only needs to think. Which do you think is actually faster?
And WTF kirin could be dodged? that jutsu is almost instant and if nagato knew it was comming he would be powerless to stop it because there no way he could even react to kirin with ST because its too fast.
Actually it takes a long time to prepare which makes it a predictable jutsu. This was shown when Zetsu broke down the jutsu before Sasuke even used it. FYI Zetsu dodged Kirin since he's still alive & was in the area. Also my Nagato has earth travel which means he could also dodge the jutsu. All that needs to be done for Kirin is stay close to Sasuke. Sasuke won't use it if your to close since he'd be killing himself as well. Note when Sasuke jumped away from Itachi before using Kirin.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-06-2009, 10:56 PM
[QUOTE]Fact #1: If you take in nature chakra & can't handle it you'll turn into a toad statue. Shino's bugs have no experience in absorbing natural chakra.

Proof the bugs will turn into a frog statue? And the bugs would eat narutos Sage chakra, not pure NE so yes shinos bugs are still effective.

Your argument on bugs not being human is VOID please read above. Look at what happened to HG for a reference.

HG is a human that absorbed pure NE which turned him into a frog, not sage chakra so your void has been void.

CS chakra used by a mediocre chakra capacity person vs unlimited bijuu chakra/super chakra via sage mode. Yeah ok Naruto would brake Shika's shadow easily sorry dude.

WFT, post time skip shika was warn out when she went C2 which kept shila from chiking her, not immobilising her so quit "ASSUMING" that fresh Post time skip shika would wouldnt be able to hold naruto after holding hidan and kakuzu with justu chakra blades infused with SOME of his chakra which is proof enough that shika can hold someone with alot of chakra fresh, not warn out.

Hidan & Kakazu don't have bijuu chakra, CS ability, or Sage Chakra. Your argument is now VOID.

No, but kakuzus chakra level is just under kisames in the DB ":rolleyes:" which means something although I hate the DB stats. Fact it shika held kakuzu and hidan with a little of his chakra in two chakra blades so alot of his chakra wouldve held 10 kakuzus and hidans which is more then enough of SM naruto.

Yeah ok how when they can't even damage him?

What do you mean "cant damage him" lol? Naruto more dense, but hes not that dense, lol. If he gets hit by a giant dog fang over fang he will be rocked, or if he gets hit with a weightless drunken Lees combo hes going to get rocked. ANd if he gets hit with nejis gentle fist then SM is no more and naruto base with no way to summon any chakra, but the kyuubis.

If ten ten hits naruto with a couple of explosive kunai then naruto could lose some limbs or worse. Even hinata with her little power could put naruto on his ass with a direct attack to his heart which SM doesnt make more dense.

Chouji is a huge arse target. I already mentioned Sakura's ability to take out summons in my original post about this fight. She still has nothing on Naruto himself.

Thast why I have those two fighting Gama, not naruto.

All they could do was dent a door. Not an impressive feet of strength. Naruto already knows their weakness which is farting.

That was three years ago and akamarua and kiba are physically bigger so the hendge will be as well which means more force in theyre attack.

Lee can't do enough damage to even phase Naruto. Naruto in sage mode is allot faster than Lee without weights.

Are you serious?!? SM naruto showed no explosive high speed just a quick percise leap, no high speed! However, Lee with his weights off just as a genin was freaking fast, but with drunken mode and three more years of training Im rahter sure SM naruto isnt faster then Lee, lol. Fact is still injured Lee from surgery was able to match speed and skill with kimimarro "alittle drunken but still very much injured" something KN0 naruto couldnt do and we saw how fast he was against sasuke.

How is Neji getting behind Naruto in the first place? Neji is also slow & his taijutsu wouldn't do anygood since Naruto can actually kill without hitting his opponent while Neji can't. Naruto's speed would make it impossible for Neji to target Naruto's chakra points.

For the love of god SM naruto isnt that fast for the last time! However, in juuken mode neji can get up to very high speed and if he wants to neji can double his gentle fist "128" which if you remember had him moving really fast while seeing everything in slow motion.

And the fact that it would only take one shot from neji or hinata with juuken to the heart or lungs to force SM naruto to take knee because SM doesnt help narutos internal organs, just external stuff.

I mentioned this already Naruto can & will brake shika's shadow.

Already mentioned this if Shino tries to drain Naruto his bugs would turn to stone.

Lol, shino bugs would have to drain naruto of SM before naruto could force pure NE into his body like he did against HG realm it doesnt matter because naruto would be drained of SM.

Hinata sucks & would be one of the first to die. Neji would most likely attack first with the faster people & would be taken out early as well.

Lol, naruto has shown no skill to defeat more then one opponent at a time, lol. I mean he was lucky enough that the realms attacked him one at a time or he wouldve been toast. So, saying naruto could beat a team attack is bull because naruto doesnt have the tools or skills to beat a team attack.

Yeah that doesn't matter ether since Naruto would destroy these guys in seconds. You act like it's going to take more than 3 seconds to take out some of these guys when they have nothing to actually fight Naruto with.

Lol, your the one who thinks naruto has the skill to fight more then one person at a time which hes shown no such skill which means hes weak against team attacks without that skill quit assuming naruto could take on a team because theres not a shread of evidence to prove that.

Location doesn't even matter Naruto would still pwn them.[/

Trust me, it matters! I mean naruto could actaully win this fight if it was on the water of a big lake.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-06-2009, 11:21 PM
[QUOTE]Not arguing sharingan genjutsu with you. I mentioned this before just read my previous post.

Its all just a nonfact based assumtion which means nothing in a thread of manga facts so quit using it like a manga fact.

The manga fact is that Rinnegan is superior to Sharingan.

Yes the rinnegan is the supirior doujutsu which is obvious. However, the SG is still supirior when it comes to genjutsu which the Rinnegan showed no ability of in combat just alot of ninjutsu and kinjutsu.

Still talking about genjutsu? I already mentioned this please read my previous post. I'm not getting into a repeating game with you on something I clarified when I made the fight.

And Why do I have to keep explaing to you the difference of an assumtion and a manga fact? Sigh!!!

LMAO... ummm yeah you must be slow if you think D-C ranked jutsu can overpower B ranked jutsu. I guess you really don't know Sasuke's jutsu that well.

not over power, but some with a lower class jutsu can beat someone with a higher class jutsu because it just matters how you use what you got!

Yeah it's so slow that it stole the souls of an entire platoon of shinobi in mere seconds & forced Hanzou to run away. Yeah ok just be thankful that I banned Gedo.

It hit a bunch of shinobi standing together so unless sasuke goes retarted and stands still he will just dodge the dragon and probably keep his distance.

Still doesn't change the fact that Oro was a dieing man & would have killed Sasuke if he was healthy as stated by Sasuke himself.

LMAO, sasuke didnt say he couldnt have won because sasuke said and I quote: "He was weakened and thats all Im going to say". However, the fact that sasuke beat Oro in his own space with genjutsu is overlooked so much because if sasuke can beat Oro with genjutsu in his own space then imagine what he would do to Oro in the real world where he has no control, lol.

Yeah & if it wasn't for the CS gift Oro gave Sasuke he would have died. If it wasn't for Orochimaru's abilities to summon snakes he would have died. FYI Sasuke doesn't have these abilities anymore LMAO.

sasuke used CS, but no Oro hax in the fight. However, kishi gave deidara a bran new arm to even the fight so CS hax doesnt matter because its was even and sasuke won through strategy while still holding back to get info on itachi.

Lol IDC that sasuke doesnt have CS or oro hax because itachi proved they pell in comparrison to the MS which sasuke has now so LMAO!

Ummm yeah... So you admit that Itachi through the fight which means what Sasuke did here isn't actually creditable at all since Itachi was holding back right?

Yes itachi was holding back, however, when sasuke landed his shadow explosive shurikan attack it wasnt because itachi was holding back and when sasuke hedged the amaterasu, wiated for itachi then ambushed with a fire ball which fried itachis arm and I quess made him commnet on sasuke strength again.

Actually manga facts showed that Sasuke normal sharingan could overpower MS since Sasuke had the high chakra capacity. FYI Nagato's hakra capacity trumps Sasuke by miles plus he has the superior eye.

Your refering to what zetsu said exept madara explained later that itachi let sasuke escape tsukuyomi to burn more chakra, ect. How do you not know this?
Nope! Tsukuyomi would stil shit rape pwn nagato as well as most SG genjutsu as well because the Rinnegan showed no abnormal defense against genjutsu wihtou having multiple bodies present to help.

The same way he negated all the other ninjutsu that were used against him. Amaterasu doesn't vanish which means it would have to go somewhere once it's repealed. Meaning it would go right back into Sasuke's face.

Amaterasu is controled by the eye unlike a regular fire jutsu that is just lauched because itach shot amaterasu at sasuke, but when sasuke ran to the side to avoid it amaterasu turned and followed at super speed, thus proving that amaterasu would be forced back wards but once the quick ST ended it would continue to its intended target as long as the eye is still focused on it.

Sasuke has to blink while Nagato only needs to think. Which do you think is actually faster?

WTF are you talking about???? Unless nagato has sasanoo then hes toast no if ands or buts about it, manga fact its too fast to defend against!

Actually it takes a long time to prepare which makes it a predictable jutsu. This was shown when Zetsu broke down the jutsu before Sasuke even used it. FYI Zetsu dodged Kirin since he's still alive & was in the area. Also my Nagato has earth travel which means he could also dodge the jutsu. All that needs to be done for Kirin is stay close to Sasuke. Sasuke won't use it if your to close since he'd be killing himself as well. Note when Sasuke jumped away from Itachi before using Kirin.

Again WTF! Sasuke explained his attack to itachi because of hatred, but without that info zetsu or itachi wouldnt have known exactly what was comming just as nagato wouldnt so dont assume sasuke going to tell his enemy whats comming, lol.

platinumrug
07-06-2009, 11:50 PM
This is silly, lol.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-07-2009, 12:00 AM
What happened when the one realm absorbed Naruto's "sage" chakra, he started turning into a frog. So if shino's bugs were to eat sage chakra, they'd do the same.

Sigh, here you can see narutos been drained of sage chakra, but after that naruto then pumps pure NE into HG realm by gathing too much which causes hg to turn to stone, not the Sage chakra as ive been saying.http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/435/003/
Here naruto explains its the NE narutos pumping into HG, not sage chakrahttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/435/004/ which is balanced chakra/NE so no shino bugs wont turn into stone until they drain naruto of all his sage chakra which means no SM and no SM means absolute defeat without the ability to reverse summon KBs that the rookies wouldve seen hide so hahaha!

platinumrug
07-07-2009, 12:09 AM
I realized that after I posted, so I can admit my failings. However, it still doesn't matter for the simple fact that SM Naruto would utterly demolish all of the rookie's, come on. You can't seriously fucking think that they would even hold a candle to naruto in SM. Truthfully, this is the silliest argument I've ever witnessed, or been apart of for that matter.

Sakura has super strength, woopty fucking do, so does Tsunade, that didn't help her against Oro and it sure as hell didn't help her against Pain (not like she really fought but its just an example).

Chouji is just fat and useless, come on. He can use all the expansion jutsu's he wants, he'll do nothing but get flattened by Bunta. I seriously can't believe you're putting Bunta on the same plane (i forget which one it is) as fucking Chouji and Sakura. Lol.

Shino, well yeah his bugs are awesome, and I'm sure Naruto knows about them so it wouldn't be hard for him to pump some NE into them, meaning they'd be useless.

Kiba and Aka, lmao.

Ino, fucking useless as they get.

Tenten, even more useless.

Neji, woot he can see his chakra gates, still doesn't mean he'll hit Naruto.

Hinata, same as Neji.

Shika, I'm sure Naruto knows about the range of his techniques, and even if he doesn't, he's not touching Naruto with that shit.

Lee, would probably be the only one who could see Naruto since he's all taijutsu and I think a gated lee would def be able to do some damage, but I mean. Naruto in SM is incredibly tougher than he is in base mode, he might as well be fucking Gaara with sand shield when it comes to SM.

No one in the rookie is seein' Naruto right now, and even together, still wouldn't work.

some kid
07-07-2009, 12:12 AM
Sigh, here you can see narutos been drained of sage chakra, but after that naruto then pumps pure NE into HG realm by gathing too much which causes hg to turn to stone, not the Sage chakra as ive been saying.http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/435/003/
Here naruto explains its the NE narutos pumping into HG, not sage chakrahttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/435/004/ which is balanced chakra/NE so no shino bugs wont turn into stone until they drain naruto of all his sage chakra which means no SM and no SM means absolute defeat without the ability to reverse summon KBs that the rookies wouldve seen hide so hahaha!

He didn't HAVE to lose SM first, he just noticed it once sage mode was drained. Naruto's not stupid, he knows about Shino's bugs. And since HE didn't turn into a frog when he morphed HG, it's pretty easy to see that the NE is what is immediately drained off in that situation.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-07-2009, 12:28 AM
I realized that after I posted, so I can admit my failings. However, it still doesn't matter for the simple fact that SM Naruto would utterly demolish all of the rookie's, come on. You can't seriously fucking think that they would even hold a candle to naruto in SM. Truthfully, this is the silliest argument I've ever witnessed, or been apart of for that matter.

Sakura has super strength, woopty fucking do, so does Tsunade, that didn't help her against Oro and it sure as hell didn't help her against Pain (not like she really fought but its just an example).

Chouji is just fat and useless, come on. He can use all the expansion jutsu's he wants, he'll do nothing but get flattened by Bunta. I seriously can't believe you're putting Bunta on the same plane (i forget which one it is) as fucking Chouji and Sakura. Lol.

Shino, well yeah his bugs are awesome, and I'm sure Naruto knows about them so it wouldn't be hard for him to pump some NE into them, meaning they'd be useless.

Kiba and Aka, lmao.

Ino, fucking useless as they get.

Tenten, even more useless.

Neji, woot he can see his chakra gates, still doesn't mean he'll hit Naruto.

Hinata, same as Neji.

Shika, I'm sure Naruto knows about the range of his techniques, and even if he doesn't, he's not touching Naruto with that shit.

Lee, would probably be the only one who could see Naruto since he's all taijutsu and I think a gated lee would def be able to do some damage, but I mean. Naruto in SM is incredibly tougher than he is in base mode, he might as well be fucking Gaara with sand shield when it comes to SM.

No one in the rookie is seein' Naruto right now, and even together, still wouldn't work.

your blinded by your bias Plat. I mean thinking that its silly for the original rookies to beat SM naruto despite this not being DBZ where the one with the higest power level wins which im tired of explaining. Serously, naruto has no skill to fight more then one person at a time without alot of KBS, but in SM he can only have two which seriously limits him when fightin agaisnt a 10 person team.

And SM isnt that dense, lol. Nagato was able to pierce SM naruto with one of his crappy chakra rods then a rasor sharp kunai or sword would too. So, narutos bodies tougher then the average, but that doesnt mean someone like weightless drunken or gated Lee, ultimate hendged kiba fang over fang, or sakura wont KO his ass with a good attack to the right spot. And neji or hinata, lol, they only need to land one attack to one of narutos vital points "heart, lungs, kidneys ect" and hes curled over in pain with his sage chakra draining fast.

I mean come on! How can you not understand how once shikamaru catches SM naruto "which he will" its basicly over because then shino could use his bugs to drain away narutos SM which then leaves him in base form and boned. Or after caught by shika, shika could control naruto and have him attack gamabunta like how shika forced hidan to attack kakuzu which then SM naruto KOes his own summons allowing sakura to comeover and pound naruto into oblivion.

Hell, how about Lee just goes 5gates and beats naruto into the ground before running out of energy because naruto too slow to defend himself against such an explosive onslaught of taijutsu.

Lol, theres so many ways the rookies could win this fight because together theyre pretty formidable and aslo because at least 3 of them have the ability to negate naruto SM advanatge like "shika capturing naruto so he cant even move, shino using his bugs to drain naruto of SM and 5gates Lee who can move so fast and attack with so much force he can beat the SM right out of naruto wihtou naruto being able to defend himself.

TheSixthHokage
07-07-2009, 12:31 AM
KYF molests canon so badly I thought he was Michael Jackson and Naruto canon was a half-drunk 8 year old boy.

There's NO evidence that genjutsu can work against Pain, especially all his bodies. In fact, the ultimate genjutsu that Fukusaku (Pa Frog) and his wife performed disabled 4 bodies, leaving 2 fine and able to ambush him along with the previously incapicitated four. In other words, the most advanced genjutsu we've seen arguably, was a bit of an annoyance. That's it. Genjutsu is a no-go.

What about ninjutsu? ST and CT are way too powerful for Sasuke to counter while fighting off the other 5 paths.

What about taijutsu? God Realm alone has enough taijutsu to match Sasuke, as great as his taijutsu is.

Verdict? Sasuke dies. He'd take out 2-3 bodies I think, but God Realm'd be too powerful for him.

Nagato > Rookies. He took on the entire village plus Naruto and barely lost...

bernzion
07-07-2009, 12:33 AM
what are the improvements of SM if naruto use it or shall we say the upgrades if he uses it?

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-07-2009, 12:44 AM
KYF molests canon so badly I thought he was Michael Jackson and Naruto canon was a half-drunk 8 year old boy.

There's NO evidence that genjutsu can work against Pain, especially all his bodies. In fact, the ultimate genjutsu that Fukusaku (Pa Frog) and his wife performed disabled 4 bodies, leaving 2 fine and able to ambush him along with the previously incapicitated four. In other words, the most advanced genjutsu we've seen arguably, was a bit of an annoyance. That's it. Genjutsu is a no-go.

What about ninjutsu? ST and CT are way too powerful for Sasuke to counter while fighting off the other 5 paths.

What about taijutsu? God Realm alone has enough taijutsu to match Sasuke, as great as his taijutsu is.

Verdict? Sasuke dies. He'd take out 2-3 bodies I think, but God Realm'd be too powerful for him.

Nagato > Rookies. He took on the entire village plus Naruto and barely lost...

Lol, you would know all about malestation wouldnt you naruto fan "Jman to sexy jutsu naruto".

WTF, your getting so offended that you got the fights all wrong, lol. Now take a deep breath, count to ten and STFU.

The fights are nagato vs sasuke "some kind of rules I cant recall"

and SM naruto vs the rookies, no sasuke?

platinumrug
07-07-2009, 12:44 AM
How is it biased? Seriously, Shikamaru would never in his life catch Naruto with his shadow possession, and oh wow just because a fucking chakra rod pierced him that means some whack ass Kunai and a sword could too? Who out of the rookie's have swords??? None, I'm sure they all have Kunai's but tht won't do shit against him, there's only one instance of Naruto getting "pierced" and what are chakra rods made out of anyway? Has to be a tough material, and no I'm not saying it because it pierced naruto, I'm just asking in general.

The rookies are useless against him dude, its just that. Naruto could seriously use one tail kyuubi and shit on every single last one of them, he wouldn't even need to go SM to be honest. Like I said the only one who could honestly hold any type of candle to Naruto in terms of speed is Lee and thats only when he uses the five gates, other than that, none of these useless kids could do anything to him.

Seriously dude, lol. I don't even like Naruto like that and I already know he'd shit on every single last one of the rookie's, point blank all of them together wouldn't do shit against dude.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-07-2009, 12:59 AM
How is it biased? Seriously, Shikamaru would never in his life catch Naruto with his shadow possession, and oh wow just because a fucking chakra rod pierced him that means some whack ass Kunai and a sword could too? Who out of the rookie's have swords??? None, I'm sure they all have Kunai's but tht won't do shit against him, there's only one instance of Naruto getting "pierced" and what are chakra rods made out of anyway? Has to be a tough material, and no I'm not saying it because it pierced naruto, I'm just asking in general.

The rookies are useless against him dude, its just that. Naruto could seriously use one tail kyuubi and shit on every single last one of them, he wouldn't even need to go SM to be honest. Like I said the only one who could honestly hold any type of candle to Naruto in terms of speed is Lee and thats only when he uses the five gates, other than that, none of these useless kids could do anything to him.

Seriously dude, lol. I don't even like Naruto like that and I already know he'd shit on every single last one of the rookie's, point blank all of them together wouldn't do shit against dude.

WHy cant shika catch SM naruto? Wtih SM naruto fighting someone else hes not going to see the shadow comming so how is it somehow magicly not going to catch him?

And for god sakes SM naruto isnt that fast for the last time. Seriously, post me a panel where hes exlosivly speeding around in the fight with pain? You cant because Ive already looked and the one thing hes not doing is moving at high speeds because that would be visible in some way or someone would comment if kishi wanted to show how fast SM naruto. So NO, SM naruto sint that fast! Hell didnt prove to be any faster then kakashi since kakashi could match speed with deva and deva could match speed with SM naruto.

Seriously, how can you not see why SM naruto could lose this fight? SHika can negate his speed with Shadow possesion,shadowseweing or even shadow chakra blade possesion. And shino can take away narutos SM by having his bugs drain narutos sage chakra which naruto could do nothing to get the bugs off until he went back to base so he could pump pure NE into the bugs like aginst HG realm. Sigh, Im tired Of repeating myself because i already explained neji and hinatas advanatge and all the others so believe me or not, but naruto could lose this fight.

Myth
07-07-2009, 01:01 AM
It's obvious sasuke took his awesome sword with lighting and stuck up it up Ky-fail's ass we all know this....

Nagato>sasuke any day of the fuckign week nagato can use all the 6 ability since they were all his anyways... Ky-fail is fucking a moron plain nd simple a simple ST would cripple sasuke...

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even without 6 abilties the gravity ability alone murders anything sasuke can do ST repels all attacks nd he can use bansho tennin to nock sauske the fuk out.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-07-2009, 01:08 AM
It's obvious sasuke took his awesome sword with lighting and stuck up it up Ky-fail's ass we all know this....

Nagato>sasuke any day of the fuckign week nagato can use all the 6 ability since they were all his anyways... Ky-fail is fucking a moron plain nd simple a simple ST would cripple sasuke...

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Listen here mice of men, rules say nagato could only use ST, none of the other with some weak B ranked elemental ninjutsu. However, it doesnt matter because once nagato uses ST on sasuke he going to realise physical attacks are useless and beat nagato with Tsukuyomi so go back to thrid grade and learn some readng comprehension fool.

Also, I thought you were going to meet a member for a fight or something? Lol, dont puss out this time OK.

platinumrug
07-07-2009, 01:11 AM
He COULD, doesn't mean he will. Whoever said anything about him being explosively fast? No one so stop putting words in my mouth, if I remember correctly you're the one who said SM Naruto isn't that much faster than base naruto, which is unbelievably false. And I don't fucking see why you're selling Naruto so damn short, it's fucking ridiculous. Naruto KNOWS the rookie's, he knows what they're all capable of, he knows how smart Shika is, he knows everyone, he has an advantage of knowing them. The rookies have an advantage of knowing Naruto and what he's capable of as well.

Seriously, you sell Naruto so damn short its ridiculous, he might as well be the fucking 12 year old kid who paints the Hokage's monument with silly colors and shit to you instead of the distinguished Hero we've all seen him grow into. Lol seriously, it's pointless to even keep discussing this any further. No one from the rookie's is seeing naruto in any department.

Myth
07-07-2009, 01:14 AM
Listen here mice of men, rules say nagato could only use ST, none of the other with some weak B ranked elemental ninjutsu. However, it doesnt matter because once nagato uses ST on sasuke he going to realise physical attacks are useless and beat nagato with Tsukuyomi so go back to thrid grade and learn some readng comprehension fool.

Also, I thought you were going to meet a member for a fight or something? Lol, dont puss out this time OK.

dude ur fucking insults suck more then ur mother does to make a living.

read the edit moron.

He can just use bansho tennin from the start nd stab sasuke with a kunai nd the fight is over wtf is ur sasuke gonna do magically pull ur ass out in front of the kunia.. don't think so...

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-07-2009, 01:19 AM
dude ur fucking insults suck more then ur mother does to make a living.

read the edit moron.

He can just use bansho tennin from the start nd stab sasuke with a kunai nd the fight is over wtf is ur sasuke gonna do magically pull ur ass out in front of the kunia.. don't think so...

Ok, projecting your anger towards your moms back alley hobbies on my mom is unecassary and just disturbing.

And basho tennin is slow which gives sasuke time to amaterasu, chidori lance, SG genjutsu or even tsukuyomi nagato before he reaches that chakra rod so no that wont work, next?


Platnuimrug:
He COULD, doesn't mean he will. Whoever said anything about him being explosively fast? No one so stop putting words in my mouth, if I remember correctly you're the one who said SM Naruto isn't that much faster than base naruto, which is unbelievably false. And I don't fucking see why you're selling Naruto so damn short, it's fucking ridiculous. Naruto KNOWS the rookie's, he knows what they're all capable of, he knows how smart Shika is, he knows everyone, he has an advantage of knowing them. The rookies have an advantage of knowing Naruto and what he's capable of as well.

Seriously, you sell Naruto so damn short its ridiculous, he might as well be the fucking 12 year old kid who paints the Hokage's monument with silly colors and shit to you instead of the distinguished Hero we've all seen him grow into. Lol seriously, it's pointless to even keep discussing this any further. No one from the rookie's is seeing naruto in any department.
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What a minute! Your admit SM naruto isnt explosivly fast yet you say hes faster then Lee who is? The only way to move from point A to point B in a second is by exploding to a high speed, not gently picking up speed then after running a while start to go really fast. Well, unless one uses a T/S jutsu, but thats like a reverse summoing.

And if SM naruto is just as fast as kakashi then eys SM naruto isnt too much faster.

And I agree they know eachother, but IMO your way underestimating the rookies as a team.

Im not seeling naruto short, but Im not going to overestimate his abilties as a shinobi. Hes super strong, hes super powerful, hes a tactician at times, hes a passionate shinobi and never gives up which is sybolised by his huge stamina. Thats what I see, sorry if I forgot anything because its late and im tired.

platinumrug
07-07-2009, 01:21 AM
Ok, projecting your anger towards your moms back alley hobbies on my mom is unecassary and just disturbing.

And basho tennin is slow which gives sasuke time to amaterasu, chidori lance, SG genjutsu or even tsukuyomi nagato before he reaches that chakra rod so no that wont work, next?

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/mymasterish/facepalm.jpg

Myth
07-07-2009, 01:22 AM
Ok, projecting your anger towards your moms back alley hobbies on my mom is unecassary and just disturbing.

And basho tennin is slow which gives sasuke time to amaterasu, chidori lance, SG genjutsu or even tsukuyomi nagato before he reaches that chakra rod so no that wont work, next?

how is bansho tennin slow lmfaooo sorry but there's no speed timing nd no u can't make it up sorry...

all that is done is u stick out ur hand nd bam ....

like i said bansho tennin nd its over sasuke can't do anything once he;'s drawn in anything he uses can be used against him...

platinumrug
07-07-2009, 01:36 AM
LOL, this is hilarious. Listen, you're the ONLY one here who said anything about Naruto not being explosively fast. I said that the ONLY person who would come close to even giving Naruto a run for his money is Lee BECAUSE of his fucking gates. Please don't twist my fucking words around. And IMO you're way under estimating Naruto in SM, most of the rookies are useless any fucking way. Ino, Chouji, Kiba and aka, tenten are all useless. So that rules all of them out, the only reason I didn't put Hinata as useless is because she has Byakugan.

Once again. http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/mymasterish/facepalm.jpg

EDIT: It always looks as if you're selling him short because in every post I see you trying to undermine his defeat of Pain, yes yes yes, he had all of this extra help. Doesn't matter, he still beat him, that's all that matters, a win is a win. I mean, what else is there to say?

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-07-2009, 01:43 AM
how is bansho tennin slow lmfaooo sorry but there's no speed timing nd no u can't make it up sorry...

all that is done is u stick out ur hand nd bam ....

like i said bansho tennin nd its over sasuke can't do anything once he;'s drawn in anything he uses can be used against him...

LMAO, BT is much slower the ST because it draws in, but not at some high speed lmao. Its so slow kakashi was able to counter it by reacting herehttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/422/12/
And then te counterhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/422/13/

^shows that someone with the SG has the reflexes to react to BT so its useless since nagato could draw in sasuke just to get killed by amaterasu, chidori lance or even tsukuyomi, lol. And since hes using BT it will be five seconds before nagato can use ST to counter what sasukes going to hit nagato with so sasuke beat BT, no doubt.

LOL, this is hilarious. Listen, you're the ONLY one here who said anything about Naruto not being explosively fast. I said that the ONLY person who would come close to even giving Naruto a run for his money is Lee BECAUSE of his fucking gates. Please don't twist my fucking words around. And IMO you're way under estimating Naruto in SM, most of the rookies are useless any fucking way. Ino, Chouji, Kiba and aka, tenten are all useless. So that rules all of them out, the only reason I didn't put Hinata as useless is because she has Byakugan.

Once again.

EDIT: It always looks as if you're selling him short because in every post I see you trying to undermine his defeat of Pain, yes yes yes, he had all of this extra help. Doesn't matter, he still beat him, that's all that matters, a win is a win. I mean, what else is there to say?
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Sepereratly those rookies are useless, but in a team while using one of shikas strategies to fight naruto theyre effectivness will be maimized, thus even losers can together can beat someone of amazing power just as naruto did many times before remember. Or does that only work for naruto?

I only undermine the no help, part while feeling the need to remind about pains weakness naruto got to take advantage of, thats all. I mean just as sasuke beat a sick itachi in a fight itachi wanted sasuke to win after itachi killed Oro isnt nothing special because of the circumstances. Narutos fight is the same for me because there was such cirsumstances as well that allowed him to beat an opponent that otherwise he couldnt just like with sasuke. Either fight just isnt that impressive to me exept some parts of each fight where naruto and sasuke showed there talents effectivly against a supirior enemy, but thats all.

platinumrug
07-07-2009, 01:50 AM
You know, I never stepped foot into this thread not once since I've been here. And over the past few weeks, I've discovered its awesomeness. Arguing is fun! I'll probably be the only one to admit this, but I like KYF's arguments, they're funny.

Myth
07-07-2009, 01:52 AM
LMAO, BT is much slower the ST because it draws in, but not at some high speed lmao. Its so slow kakashi was able to counter it by reacting herehttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/422/12/
And then te counterhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/422/13/

^shows that someone with the SG has the reflexes to react to BT so its useless since nagato could draw in sasuke just to get killed by amaterasu, chidori lance or even tsukuyomi, lol. And since hes using BT it will be five seconds before nagato can use ST to counter what sasukes going to hit nagato with so sasuke beat BT, no doubt.

ehh no point in arguing with someone who has his face in sasuke's ass...

1 Shinera Tensei would damage sasuke greatly or put him down...there was not 1 person who stood up to ST cept naruto who only stood up because his mass clones held him down.... ST n its over...

now that we all agree that kyf lost the debate lets make a new one...

sasori vs kakuzu.

Vengeance
07-07-2009, 01:53 AM
Proof the bugs will turn into a frog statue? And the bugs would eat narutos Sage chakra, not pure NE so yes shinos bugs are still effective.
Re-read the manga & reference the Pain fight. I'm not going to repeat myself.
HG is a human that absorbed pure NE which turned him into a frog, not sage chakra so your void has been void.
Ummm ok please read my previous statements not repeating myself.

WFT, post time skip shika was warn out when she went C2 which kept shila from chiking her, not immobilising her so quit "ASSUMING" that fresh Post time skip shika would wouldnt be able to hold naruto after holding hidan and kakuzu with justu chakra blades infused with SOME of his chakra which is proof enough that shika can hold someone with alot of chakra fresh, not warn out.
I'm not assuming anything it is a fact that Shika's shadow can be overpowered with enough force. Re-read the manga.


No, but kakuzus chakra level is just under kisames in the DB ":rolleyes:" which means something although I hate the DB stats. Fact it shika held kakuzu and hidan with a little of his chakra in two chakra blades so alot of his chakra wouldve held 10 kakuzus and hidans which is more then enough of SM naruto.
Anyone with a tailed beast is rated 5 because when compared to everyone else their chakra supply is monstrous. You're comparing Kakazu & Hidan to a beast with the nine tailed fox/mystical sage energy. You fail.

What do you mean "cant damage him" lol? Naruto more dense, but hes not that dense, lol. If he gets hit by a giant dog fang over fang he will be rocked, or if he gets hit with a weightless drunken Lees combo hes going to get rocked. ANd if he gets hit with nejis gentle fist then SM is no more and naruto base with no way to summon any chakra, but the kyuubis.
Naruto can brake metal with his bare hands, take the impact of a charging giant rhino, & brake solid rock by simply landing on it. Naruto can take Sakura's hits while in a normal state. Sakura is the strongest one in this group if she can't damage him then none of them can. Weightless Lee's hits would be like a 5 year old who thinks he knows martial arts attacking a 25 year old body builder. Simply put they would have no effect on Naruto.

If ten ten hits naruto with a couple of explosive kunai then naruto could lose some limbs or worse. Even hinata with her little power could put naruto on his ass with a direct attack to his heart which SM doesnt make more dense.
Tenten? Didn't you read my fight summary Tenten was one of the first to go when Naruto created clones to buy time for Sage Mode. Anyway Tenten has bad aim while paper bombs wouldn't be enough to seriouslly damage Naruto while in sage mode. Hinata couldn't do a thing to Naruto because she's to slow & lacks actual fighting skill. Neji & Hinata can not kill with one blow while Naruto actually can.

Thast why I have those two fighting Gama, not naruto.
So you're having the two strongest attackers waste their energy on toads? In terms of power Sakura is probably the only one here that could actually make Naruto flinch.

That was three years ago and akamarua and kiba are physically bigger so the hendge will be as well which means more force in theyre attack.
They still suck. Reference the encounter with Madara.

Are you serious?!? SM naruto showed no explosive high speed just a quick percise leap, no high speed! However, Lee with his weights off just as a genin was freaking fast, but with drunken mode and three more years of training Im rahter sure SM naruto isnt faster then Lee, lol. Fact is still injured Lee from surgery was able to match speed and skill with kimimarro "alittle drunken but still very much injured" something KN0 naruto couldnt do and we saw how fast he was against sasuke.
Naruto being able to fight with God Pain who was shown to be extremely fast proves otherwise. Re-read the manga. Lee is no faster than Tenten & Neji. He really didn't improve during the timeskip while Naruto has long since past him in speed while in his base form. Naruto's speed in base is comparable to Kakashi. Reference when he cameback after his training & was tested along with Sakura.

For the love of god SM naruto isnt that fast for the last time! However, in juuken mode neji can get up to very high speed and if he wants to neji can double his gentle fist "128" which if you remember had him moving really fast while seeing everything in slow motion.
Yes I know you're in denial however the manga shows otherwise. I'm not just referencing the speed blitz on demon but the difference in movement from when Naruto wasn't in sage mode vs when he re-gained it while fighting god.

And the fact that it would only take one shot from neji or hinata with juuken to the heart or lungs to force SM naruto to take knee because SM doesnt help narutos internal organs, just external stuff.
Te problem here is that they're to slow to actually do that. Chakra aura which means Neji or Hinata's chakra would hit Naruto's chakra aura. So yes Naruto's sage mode would protect him from juuken.

Lol, shino bugs would have to drain naruto of SM before naruto could force pure NE into his body like he did against HG realm it doesnt matter because naruto would be drained of SM.
LMAO no dumbarse Naruto just needs to call in more natural chakra & the bugs turn to stone.

Lol, naruto has shown no skill to defeat more then one opponent at a time, lol. I mean he was lucky enough that the realms attacked him one at a time or he wouldve been toast. So, saying naruto could beat a team attack is bull because naruto doesnt have the tools or skills to beat a team attack.
He did it with Pain. In actual combat you can only really be attacked from 4 different directions at a time. Even with a squad of ten if they tried for more they'd just be bumping into each other. Mr. martial artist should know about this stuff right? Also Naruto only needs one hit on the majority of these people to KO them. FYI Naruto's numbers can be anywhere from 1-1000 or did you forget that he's a master of shadow clone jutsu? Another thing you need to understand is while in sage mode Naruto has the ability to sense chakra. This gives him a hightened awareness of his surroundings & the locations of his opponents. This can be used to anticipate attacks so he could create the proper counter. Say a shadow is creeping up behind him Naruto would sense it because it has chakra. Say Neji is coming from behind Naruto would sense him because Neji has chakra. Get the concept dumbarse?


Lol, your the one who thinks naruto has the skill to fight more then one person at a time which hes shown no such skill which means hes weak against team attacks without that skill quit assuming naruto could take on a team because theres not a shread of evidence to prove that.
O yeah because the fight with Pain never happened right? Naruto also didn't spar with the cloud jounin recently right? Dude you're in denial.


Trust me, it matters! I mean naruto could actaully win this fight if it was on the water of a big lake.
Huu?? Yeah location doesn't matter the rookies suck arse.

Myth
07-07-2009, 01:53 AM
You know, I never stepped foot into this thread not once since I've been here. And over the past few weeks, I've discovered its awesomeness. Arguing is fun! I'll probably be the only one to admit this, but I like KYF's arguments, they're funny.

yes they are we all get a kick outta his stupidity. def join in on the fun on ripping kyf.

double post idc.

platinumrug
07-07-2009, 01:56 AM
Sasori vs Kakuzu eh? Should be pretty easy.

Well, we all know that Sasori had his once puppet that he basically lived inside of for all of his life, not mentioning the fact that he was a living puppet himself, a basic glorified immortal in some respects. He had that awesome puppet, and then he had himself, he also had his 1000 puppets that brought down a country. And let's not forget he has the third Kazekage under his belt with the iron sand stuff, pretty awesome.

Kakuzu has 5 hearts, knows all 5 elemental forms of jutsu's, is a glorified immortal just like Sasori. Has 5 hearts all of which know different elements as stated previously, has awesome taijutsu, and is one creepy ass muthafucka. In all, I'd say Sasori wins because I like him more.

Dagoro
07-07-2009, 02:02 AM
Kazuzu takes it.

His arsenal is perfect for Mass puppet destruction.

nuckinfutz
07-07-2009, 02:11 AM
Kazuzu takes it.

His arsenal is perfect for Mass puppet destruction.

I was thinking the same thing...
but I was also thinking that naruto was able to distract his with 3 clones...maybe mass puppets can distract him while he himself or another puppet kills all his hearts?

Dagoro
07-07-2009, 02:15 AM
Based on what Chiyo was able to do with 10 puppets Kazuzu's self piloting drone monsters should deliver 10x that result easily.

Katon/futon combo spam = smoldering puppets.

Sapphire Assasin
07-07-2009, 02:16 AM
It would be a pretty even fight as long as Kakuzu has the earth element, if he looses that then he can't really withstand the poison and it's all over from there. I'd love to see how Kakuzu deals with the iron sand, seriously.

So all in all I would go with Sasori.

Dagoro
07-07-2009, 02:22 AM
The biggest difference between Sasori and Kazuzu, and what gives the zombie man the upper hand is mobility and scale of attacks.

Sasori needs to remain focused on moving the puppet in front of him while at the same tiime covering the holes in his defense. Kazuzu's drones don't require such methods, they move on their own and can spam elemental barrages non stop.

That puts Sasori at a severe disavantage since 1 target becomes 5 independent ones.

As for the needle barrage problem, iron skin and Kazuzu's ability to move hearts any where he wants is a great counter to that. Remember the arm with the heart attached to it ?? same concept.

Vengeance
07-07-2009, 02:29 AM
Its all just a nonfact based assumtion which means nothing in a thread of manga facts so quit using it like a manga fact.
It's based on logic & manga quotes. You don't like it well to fucking bad I specifically made a ruling on it so get over it.

Yes the rinnegan is the supirior doujutsu which is obvious. However, the SG is still supirior when it comes to genjutsu which the Rinnegan showed no ability of in combat just alot of ninjutsu and kinjutsu.
"Without question Rinnegan is the strongest" As in little dumbrse questions like this "but what about genjutsu". This isn't even up for debate just get over it.

And Why do I have to keep explaing to you the difference of an assumtion and a manga fact? Sigh!!!
Fact #1: Without question Rinnegan is the strongest eye.
Fact #2: Sharingan genjutsu is based on vision.
Fact #3: I made a ruling on this at the beginning of the match.


not over power, but some with a lower class jutsu can beat someone with a higher class jutsu because it just matters how you use what you got!
Like Sasuke's weak arse katon? That shit has always been useless to hm anyway. Also jutsu are ranked for a fucking reason do I need to explain to you the differences between each rank before you get it into your head?


It hit a bunch of shinobi standing together so unless sasuke goes retarted and stands still he will just dodge the dragon and probably keep his distance.
Ask anyone else here if they think that Sasuke can overcome Gedo just like that. Hanzou the Sannin pwner had to run like a bitch because of Gedo.

LMAO, sasuke didnt say he couldnt have won because sasuke said and I quote: "He was weakened and thats all Im going to say".
Actually it was more like this.

Kirin: Look at you I can't believe you're the one who defeated Orochimaru.

Sasuke: He was already weakened that's all there is to it.

This is Sasuke's way of saying that Orochimaru would have killed his arse had he been healthy.

However, the fact that sasuke beat Oro in his own space with genjutsu is overlooked so much because if sasuke can beat Oro with genjutsu in his own space then imagine what he would do to Oro in the real world where he has no control, lol.
Ummm yeah... Orochimaru's jutsu were superior to Sasuke's. In the real world in an actual fight had Oro been healthy he would have pwned Sasuke.

sasuke used CS, but no Oro hax in the fight. However, kishi gave deidara a bran new arm to even the fight so CS hax doesnt matter because its was even and sasuke won through strategy while still holding back to get info on itachi.
Ummm ok snake summoning is an Oro ability Ron. Like I said without Oro hax Sasuke would have lost to Diedara.

Lol IDC that sasuke doesnt have CS or oro hax because itachi proved they pell in comparrison to the MS which sasuke has now so LMAO!
You should care because Sasuke was allot stronger before he lost CS & Oro hax. Now Sasuke is weaker & going blind LMAO.

Yes itachi was holding back, however, when sasuke landed his shadow explosive shurikan attack it wasnt because itachi was holding back and when sasuke hedged the amaterasu, wiated for itachi then ambushed with a fire ball which fried itachis arm and I quess made him commnet on sasuke strength again.
Bla bla bla You stated it yourself Itachi held back so STFU.


Your refering to what zetsu said exept madara explained later that itachi let sasuke escape tsukuyomi to burn more chakra, ect. How do you not know this?
Madara never actually stated that. I dare you to prove me wrong. Where in the manga does it specifically state that Itachi released Sasuke from tsukuyomi? Sasuke overpowered it the clear sign of this was Itachi falling to one knee & grabbing his eye in pain. Sorry but that part wasn't actually fake.

Nope! Tsukuyomi would stil shit rape pwn nagato as well as most SG genjutsu as well because the Rinnegan showed no abnormal defense against genjutsu wihtou having multiple bodies present to help.
Actually it wouldn't as I previously stated. Get over it & move on.


Amaterasu is controled by the eye unlike a regular fire jutsu that is just lauched because itach shot amaterasu at sasuke, but when sasuke ran to the side to avoid it amaterasu turned and followed at super speed, thus proving that amaterasu would be forced back wards but once the quick ST ended it would continue to its intended target as long as the eye is still focused on it.
Yes forced back & would have to go somewhere because it was forced back. Meaning right back into Sasuke's face ron. Pain can fucking launch toads into outspace you think he can't push back fire when his abilities have already been shown to repel jutsu?


WTF are you talking about???? Unless nagato has sasanoo then hes toast no if ands or buts about it, manga fact its too fast to defend against!
Are you stupid or something it's a pretty fucking easy concept to grasp. Sasuke needs to blink to active his dojutsu while Nagato simply needs to think & he can manipulate gravity. Meaning Nagato's gravity abilities are faster than Sasuke's dojutsu.


Again WTF! Sasuke explained his attack to itachi because of hatred, but without that info zetsu or itachi wouldnt have known exactly what was comming just as nagato wouldnt so dont assume sasuke going to tell his enemy whats comming, lol.
LMAO Sasuke didn't explain shit it was fucking Zetsu talking to himself KY. All Sasuke talked about was having an ace which could have been anything. This is the only thing I'm going to bother looking up for you. 391-4 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/391/04/), 391-5 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/391/05/), & 391-7 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/391/07/).

Let's see now Zetsu basically broke down the jutsu before Sasuke explained that he was going to manipulate natural lightning. Let's see now it starts raining & I see a thunder storm. Sasuke is now running away & puts his hand in the air. What happens next? Dah he's a raiton user which means he's going to use that lightning that's in the sky. FYI Nagato can not only dodge with earth travel but he could also simply reject the jutsu using gravity manipulation. Kirin takes allot of chakra to actually create & would be a dumbarse move on Sasuke's part if he even tried using it.

Myth
07-07-2009, 02:32 AM
Vengeance just stop already he lost we all know it dnt waste ur time on him...

Sapphire Assasin
07-07-2009, 02:33 AM
Yeah, I'm basically basing my opinion around the fight due to all the poison (mass of puppets) and Kazekage/iron sand.

But Kakuzu makes final Sasori's plan null in void due to "giant fireball" method. Except MAYBE a few could manage to flank him and slash him a few times.

But how would the poison effect Kakuzu, would it only kill one heart; or would it eventually start killing all of his hearts? (this all depends on if Sasori's fast and lucky enough to land a hit)

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-07-2009, 02:33 AM
This is the last for tonight so Ill finish tommarrow!


ehh no point in arguing with someone who has his face in sasuke's ass...

1 Shinera Tensei would damage sasuke greatly or put him down...there was not 1 person who stood up to ST cept naruto who only stood up because his mass clones held him down.... ST n its over...

now that we all agree that kyf lost the debate lets make a new one...

sasori vs kakuzu.

LMAO, I proved you wrong about Basho tennin so you change the subject.

And ST didnt stop kakashi so it wont stop sasuke so no.

Re-read the manga & reference the Pain fight. I'm not going to repeat myself.

Thats not the point you cant use an assumtion about the spiriority of the eye itself as evidence the SG genjutsu wont work because its done through the eye, you cant.

I'm not assuming anything it is a fact that Shika's shadow can be overpowered with enough force. Re-read the manga.

Its a fact that shikas shadow was over powered after he was worn out. however, shika proved that he can hold powerful shinobi with just a little chakra in some chakra blades so imagine how much alot of chakra can do.

Anyone with a tailed beast is rated 5 because when compared to everyone else their chakra supply is monstrous. You're comparing Kakazu & Hidan to a beast with the nine tailed fox/mystical sage energy. You fail.

Lol, were talking about SM, not the kyuubi. And even if we were Im rather sure shika could hold up to three tails for a short amount of time considering he held kakashi and hidan with such a little amount of chakra in those blades.

Naruto can brake metal with his bare hands, take the impact of a charging giant rhino, & brake solid rock by simply landing on it. Naruto can take Sakura's hits while in a normal state. Sakura is the strongest one in this group if she can't damage him then none of them can. Weightless Lee's hits would be like a 5 year old who thinks he knows martial arts attacking a 25 year old body builder. Simply put they would have no effect on Naruto.

Im sorry, but theres no evidence that those chakra rods are very dense at all. And sakura didnt hit naruto for real lol, why would you use that? And SM naruto isnt that dense for crying out load! He broke a chakra rod yet was pirced by nagatos in the paper cacoon remember so hes not that dense. Weightless drunken lee could rock SM naruto I assure you.

Tenten? Didn't you read my fight summary Tenten was one of the first to go when Naruto created clones to buy time for Sage Mode. Anyway Tenten has bad aim while paper bombs wouldn't be enough to seriouslly damage Naruto while in sage mode. Hinata couldn't do a thing to Naruto because she's to slow & lacks actual fighting skill. Neji & Hinata can not kill with one blow while Naruto actually can.

Uuum, if anyone can kill with one blow its neji or hinata because of juuken attacking internal organs. However, naruto KOed the one guy weak against physical attacks so hes the ultimate taijutsu user?

So you're having the two strongest attackers waste their energy on toads? In terms of power Sakura is probably the only one here that could actually make Naruto flinch.

I dont know how strong yu thinkSM naruto is, but a puch from sakura would put naruto on his ass.

They still suck. Reference the encounter with Madara.

OMG, madara? Sasuke, the fourth, itachi, none of which could touch him either so what are you saying?

Naruto being able to fight with God Pain who was shown to be extremely fast proves otherwise. Re-read the manga. Lee is no faster than Tenten & Neji. He really didn't improve during the timeskip while Naruto has long since past him in speed while in his base form. Naruto's speed in base is comparable to Kakashi. Reference when he cameback after his training & was tested along with Sakura.

OMG, now this is what Im talking about. Saying deva is super fast or w/e when its canon hes no faster then kakashi just as SM naruto isnt thank you.

Yes I know you're in denial however the manga shows otherwise. I'm not just referencing the speed blitz on demon but the difference in movement from when Naruto wasn't in sage mode vs when he re-gained it while fighting god.

1. the demon blitz is a panlefied illusion! Naruto shown spotting the attack or w/e five panles before for a reason, but everbody just wants to ignore that.

2. Naruto went into SM nad threw a kick which deva block so whats your point? I mean deva was able to ST naruto who couldnt reach him with a second and STed naruto KB who couldnt puch HG realm before deva aimed and took him out so what do you have to day about that slow speed?

Te problem here is that they're to slow to actually do that. Chakra aura which means Neji or Hinata's chakra would hit Naruto's chakra aura. So yes Naruto's sage mode would protect him from juuken.

OMG dude, WTF? All the sudden naruto has a super defensive arua that protects him which isnt an assumtion its just creepy. Naruto has never shown any kind of defensive arua just a NE arua that extended his punching reach by 3 inches, nothing else so SM naruto although abnormaly dense on the outside is still weak on the inside which is why Juuken is a perfect attack against him.

LMAO no dumbarse Naruto just needs to call in more natural chakra & the bugs turn to stone.


No Dummy because I already posted that panle and naruto couldnt absorb pure NE to turn HG realm into stone until HG had already drained away his entire SM. So, naruto can turn the bugs to stone perhaps, but not after he loses SM first.

He did it with Pain. In actual combat you can only really be attacked from 4 different directions at a time. Even with a squad of ten if they tried for more they'd just be bumping into each other. Mr. martial artist should know about this stuff right? Also Naruto only needs one hit on the majority of these people to KO them. FYI Naruto's numbers can be anywhere from 1-1000 or did you forget that he's a master of shadow clone jutsu? Another thing you need to understand is while in sage mode Naruto has the ability to sense chakra. This gives him a hightened awareness of his surroundings & the locations of his opponents. This can be used to anticipate attacks so he could create the proper counter. Say a shadow is creeping up behind him Naruto would sense it because it has chakra. Say Neji is coming from behind Naruto would sense him because Neji has chakra. Get the concept dumbarse?

Naruto fought each pain path one one one ":rolleyes:" they never gained up on naruto, not once. So naruto has no skill to deal with multiple attacks at once, fact!

ANd In SM naruto numbers a 1-3 lol so no!

Naruto showed no combat application offensive or defensive with hsi sensing ability. Just to use for reconisence. Anything else is just an assumtion about a skill naruto has yet to show.

O yeah because the fight with Pain never happened right? Naruto also didn't spar with the cloud jounin recently right? Dude you're in denial.

OMFG, are you serious? Naruto each path one on one, not two or three because only Jman did that, not naruto. And narutos scuffle with the could ninja where he slapped a sword then caught a dull one after having his elbow blocked and his team mates pwned just shows his inadiquicies in a two on one fight so imagine four or six, lol.

Huu?? Yeah location doesn't matter the rookies suck arse.

Lol, SM naruto could use a location to nullify the rookies numbers advantage or he could lose, lol.

Ngro_Da_HRO
07-07-2009, 02:43 AM
This is the last for tonight so Ill finish tommarrow!




LMAO, I proved you wrong about Basho tennin so you change the subject.

And ST didnt stop kakashi so it wont stop sasuke so no.



Thats not the point you cant use an assumtion about the spiriority of the eye itself as evidence the SG genjutsu wont work because its done through the eye, you cant.



Its a fact that shikas shadow was over powered after he was worn out. however, shika proved that he can hold powerful shinobi with just a little chakra in some chakra blades so imagine how much alot of chakra can do.



Lol, were talking about SM, not the kyuubi. And even if we were Im rather sure shika could hold up to three tails for a short amount of time considering he held kakashi and hidan with such a little amount of chakra in those blades.



Im sorry, but theres no evidence that those chakra rods are very dense at all. And sakura didnt hit naruto for real lol, why would you use that? And SM naruto isnt that dense for crying out load! He broke a chakra rod yet was pirced by nagatos in the paper cacoon remember so hes not that dense. Weightless drunken lee could rock SM naruto I assure you.



Uuum, if anyone can kill with one blow its neji or hinata because of juuken attacking internal organs. However, naruto KOed the one guy weak against physical attacks so hes the ultimate taijutsu user?



I dont know how strong yu thinkSM naruto is, but a puch from sakura would put naruto on his ass.



OMG, madara? Sasuke, the fourth, itachi, none of which could touch him either so what are you saying?



OMG, now this is what Im talking about. Saying deva is super fast or w/e when its canon hes no faster then kakashi just as SM naruto isnt thank you.



1. the demon blitz is a panlefied illusion! Naruto shown spotting the attack or w/e five panles before for a reason, but everbody just wants to ignore that.

2. Naruto went into SM nad threw a kick which deva block so whats your point? I mean deva was able to ST naruto who couldnt reach him with a second and STed naruto KB who couldnt puch HG realm before deva aimed and took him out so what do you have to day about that slow speed?



OMG dude, WTF? All the sudden naruto has a super defensive arua that protects him which isnt an assumtion its just creepy. Naruto has never shown any kind of defensive arua just a NE arua that extended his punching reach by 3 inches, nothing else so SM naruto although abnormaly dense on the outside is still weak on the inside which is why Juuken is a perfect attack against him.



No Dummy because I already posted that panle and naruto couldnt absorb pure NE to turn HG realm into stone until HG had already drained away his entire SM. So, naruto can turn the bugs to stone perhaps, but not after he loses SM first.



Naruto fought each pain path one one one ":rolleyes:" they never gained up on naruto, not once. So naruto has no skill to deal with multiple attacks at once, fact!

ANd In SM naruto numbers a 1-3 lol so no!

Naruto showed no combat application offensive or defensive with hsi sensing ability. Just to use for reconisence. Anything else is just an assumtion about a skill naruto has yet to show.



OMFG, are you serious? Naruto each path one on one, not two or three because only Jman did that, not naruto. And narutos scuffle with the could ninja where he slapped a sword then caught a dull one after having his elbow blocked and his team mates pwned just shows his inadiquicies in a two on one fight so imagine four or six, lol.

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Lol, SM naruto could use a location to nullify the rookies numbers advantage or he could lose, lol.

YOU have said absouletly nothing absoluetly nothing you have proved nothing said nothing and the funny thing is you never do. you are in a different universe or reality nothing you have said goes anything in line iwth the manga how about you go write your own manga and you can talk abut it all you want with your dolls.

Vengeance
07-07-2009, 02:43 AM
Vengeance just stop already he lost we all know it dnt waste ur time on him...
Yeah I should get some sleep anyway. Later people.

Myth
07-07-2009, 02:44 AM
This is the last for tonight so Ill finish tommarrow!




LMAO, I proved you wrong about Basho tennin so you change the subject.

And ST didnt stop kakashi so it wont stop sasuke so no.



Thats not the point you cant use an assumtion about the spiriority of the eye itself as evidence the SG genjutsu wont work because its done through the eye, you cant.



Its a fact that shikas shadow was over powered after he was worn out. however, shika proved that he can hold powerful shinobi with just a little chakra in some chakra blades so imagine how much alot of chakra can do.



Lol, were talking about SM, not the kyuubi. And even if we were Im rather sure shika could hold up to three tails for a short amount of time considering he held kakashi and hidan with such a little amount of chakra in those blades.



Im sorry, but theres no evidence that those chakra rods are very dense at all. And sakura didnt hit naruto for real lol, why would you use that? And SM naruto isnt that dense for crying out load! He broke a chakra rod yet was pirced by nagatos in the paper cacoon remember so hes not that dense. Weightless drunken lee could rock SM naruto I assure you.



Uuum, if anyone can kill with one blow its neji or hinata because of juuken attacking internal organs. However, naruto KOed the one guy weak against physical attacks so hes the ultimate taijutsu user?



I dont know how strong yu thinkSM naruto is, but a puch from sakura would put naruto on his ass.



OMG, madara? Sasuke, the fourth, itachi, none of which could touch him either so what are you saying?



OMG, now this is what Im talking about. Saying deva is super fast or w/e when its canon hes no faster then kakashi just as SM naruto isnt thank you.



1. the demon blitz is a panlefied illusion! Naruto shown spotting the attack or w/e five panles before for a reason, but everbody just wants to ignore that.

2. Naruto went into SM nad threw a kick which deva block so whats your point? I mean deva was able to ST naruto who couldnt reach him with a second and STed naruto KB who couldnt puch HG realm before deva aimed and took him out so what do you have to day about that slow speed?



OMG dude, WTF? All the sudden naruto has a super defensive arua that protects him which isnt an assumtion its just creepy. Naruto has never shown any kind of defensive arua just a NE arua that extended his punching reach by 3 inches, nothing else so SM naruto although abnormaly dense on the outside is still weak on the inside which is why Juuken is a perfect attack against him.



No Dummy because I already posted that panle and naruto couldnt absorb pure NE to turn HG realm into stone until HG had already drained away his entire SM. So, naruto can turn the bugs to stone perhaps, but not after he loses SM first.



Naruto fought each pain path one one one ":rolleyes:" they never gained up on naruto, not once. So naruto has no skill to deal with multiple attacks at once, fact!

ANd In SM naruto numbers a 1-3 lol so no!

Naruto showed no combat application offensive or defensive with hsi sensing ability. Just to use for reconisence. Anything else is just an assumtion about a skill naruto has yet to show.



OMFG, are you serious? Naruto each path one on one, not two or three because only Jman did that, not naruto. And narutos scuffle with the could ninja where he slapped a sword then caught a dull one after having his elbow blocked and his team mates pwned just shows his inadiquicies in a two on one fight so imagine four or six, lol.

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Lol, SM naruto could use a location to nullify the rookies numbers advantage or he could lose, lol.
Ur right im sorry i forgot to say he has to use a strong st like he did on hinata

nagato>sasuke ZZzzzzzz even when nagato's main powers are gone ...

platinumrug
07-07-2009, 02:47 AM
This argument was done a long time ago. However it really ended once you said Shika could probably hold three tails Naruto!!!!!

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/mymasterish/facepalm.jpg

Ngro_Da_HRO
07-07-2009, 02:48 AM
Kyf says: OMFG, are you serious? Naruto each path one on one, not two or three because only Jman did that, not naruto. And narutos scuffle with the could ninja where he slapped a sword then caught a dull one after having his elbow blocked and his team mates pwned just shows his inadiquicies in a two on one fight so imagine four or six, lol.

are you serious all paths fought naruto simaltanesouly he just killed them one by one yyour incredible abosuletly its like i'm speechless lose for words there is no facepalm on this planet great enough for you i will leave the forums to trave the internet and look for one


I"M BACK I HAVE FOUND IT

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/54/facepalm_statue.jpg

Congratulations you earned jesus's facepalm

Myth
07-07-2009, 03:30 AM
This argument was done a long time ago. However it really ended once you said Shika could probably hold three tails Naruto!!!!!

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/mymasterish/facepalm.jpg

rofllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll r u fucking serious he really said that?????? hahahahahahahaha what fucking tool bag...

Ngro_Da_HRO
07-07-2009, 03:36 AM
sometimes i feel bad for KYF sometimes i really do feel bad for him its like he's retarded i wish they had more money for stem cell reseach

platinumrug
07-07-2009, 04:22 AM
Lol, were talking about SM, not the kyuubi. And even if we were Im rather sure shika could hold up to three tails for a short amount of time considering he held kakashi and hidan with such a little amount of chakra in those blades.

rofllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll r u fucking serious he really said that?????? hahahahahahahaha what fucking tool bag...

See for yourself.

shubhang
07-07-2009, 06:56 AM
off topic
GUYS,if i had any idea that the battle i proposed(SM naruto vs. the konoha rookies)would create such a fight between people i would'nt have proposed it.the outcome of this battle would be through a lot of speculation anyway seeing as we havent seen what half the rookies can do in shippuden.anyways a lot of people were asking why lee was not gated/will not activate gates.that's becoz i read about the battle SM naruto vs 5 gates lee or something like that a few pages back which had caused a heated discussion.
on-topic
i suppose the battle being discussed is sasori vs. kakuzu.its a pretty even battle but i think sasori wins this mainly because of the humongous amount of puppets he can summon.kakuzu is mainly restricted to using elemental attacks through his 5 bodies or taijutsu.

Unfera Syndrome
07-07-2009, 09:38 AM
sometimes i feel bad for KYF sometimes i really do feel bad for him its like he's retarded i wish they had more money for stem cell reseach

Not that i dont agree with you some times in referance to KYF, but start posting your own ideas about manga. I think almost two thirds of your posts if not more has KFY stated in it...Do you have a crush on him?lol Not trying to start any thing but, just think about it

Ngro_Da_HRO
07-07-2009, 02:14 PM
Not that i dont agree with you some times in referance to KYF, but start posting your own ideas about manga. I think almost two thirds of your posts if not more has KFY stated in it...Do you have a crush on him?lol Not trying to start any thing but, just think about it

Ya your right. I apologize for that.

Back on topic

Sasori was just a demon with his puppets what i would give the fight to him would be his 100 puppet jutsu wher e he has all hsis puppets. and myth said how kakuzu could move his hearts but i remember sasori doing a similar thing, if anybody wants to look it up. plus as in he manga it din't seem to hard to bring him down and personally the only reason sasori lost is because of the old lady who pretty much taught him. Kakuzu would try to keep distance but i just dn't hink his attacks would be effecctie against sasori, sasori was extremly fast with those puppets and he had no problem sacrificing em.

Dagoro says: Based on what Chiyo was able to do with 10 puppets Kazuzu's self piloting drone monsters should deliver 10x that result easily.

Katon/futon combo spam = smoldering puppets."

IT maks alot of sense but din't Chiyo teach sasori so she knew how to counter him. kakuzu's long range would be a good fit against sasori but i dn't think he will took adavantage of it. Cause Naruto was able to kill him when everyone knows naruto sucks at long range and that was pre sm so correct me if i'm wrong.

like look here: http://www.narutocentral.com/manga.php?s=naruto&c=340&p=3

He pretty much stayed where a short range/medium range fighter would take advantage and to me that's why naruto won. and that's why i think sasori would win too.


Ps. I haven't got the quote thing down so if you guys wanna send a message a tut or something that would be nice

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-07-2009, 06:24 PM
YOU have said absouletly nothing absoluetly nothing you have proved nothing said nothing and the funny thing is you never do. you are in a different universe or reality nothing you have said goes anything in line iwth the manga how about you go write your own manga and you can talk abut it all you want with your dolls.

Calm down artimus or w/e your name is because I dont care what your noobish failsauce thinks about my posts, lol.

This argument was done a long time ago. However it really ended once you said Shika could probably hold three tails Naruto!!!!!
WFT, have you forgot about shadow sewing that can sew the enemy to the ground as well as immobilise like the regular Shadow possesion jutsu? Lol, a short time with all of shikas chakra isnt an overestimation if he can hold kakuzu and hidan with just a little bit ofchakra infused in chakra blades.

Kyf says: OMFG, are you serious? Naruto each path one on one, not two or three because only Jman did that, not naruto. And narutos scuffle with the could ninja where he slapped a sword then caught a dull one after having his elbow blocked and his team mates pwned just shows his inadiquicies in a two on one fight so imagine four or six, lol.

are you serious all paths fought naruto simaltanesouly he just killed them one by one yyour incredible abosuletly its like i'm speechless lose for words there is no facepalm on this planet great enough for you i will leave the forums to trave the internet and look for one



Oh, Im going to enjoy shoving this^^ fail down your throat, lol.

First realm here SM naruto beats 1 on 1http://www.narutocentral.com/manga.php?s=naruto&c=430&p=15

Second realm to fight naruto is HG realm here as the rest just sit and watch as its again 1 on 1http://www.narutocentral.com/manga.php?s=naruto&c=431&p=11
http://www.narutocentral.com/manga.php?s=naruto&c=431&p=12

Third realm naruto beats is Human realm, but all the realm are just sitting together and not even attackinghttp://www.narutocentral.com/manga.php?s=naruto&c=432&p=6

Fourth naruto fights animal realm 2 on 1 "naruto and gamabunta vs animal realm" then beats herhttp://www.narutocentral.com/manga.php?s=naruto&c=432&p=14

Fifth naruto beats Hell realm after trying to beat HG and deva at the same time, but failshttp://www.narutocentral.com/manga.php?s=naruto&c=433&p=16

Then SM naruto tries to beat deva and HG at once, but failshttp://www.narutocentral.com/manga.php?s=naruto&c=434&p=3
Then after getting sucked by deva and caught by HG "Which is the only team effort by pains realms" naruto turn HG into a frog, but gets choke slammed for his troublehttp://www.narutocentral.com/manga.php?s=naruto&c=435&p=5

Then finally SM naruto beats deva in a 1 on 1 fight herehttp://www.narutocentral.com/manga.php?s=naruto&c=443

^LMAO, conclusion is SM naruto was only able to beat the realms one at a time in 1 on 1 scuffles just as I said so suck it artimus or w/e your name is.

rofllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll r u fucking serious he really said that?????? hahahahahahahaha what fucking tool bag...

Hey, just because you finally got that training braw taking off doesnt mean you can keep being a douche.

And the fact that your narutarted makes such comments foolish in your little world where naruto is unstoppable, lol.

sometimes i feel bad for KYF sometimes i really do feel bad for him its like he's retarded i wish they had more money for stem cell reseach

Again artimus, WFT.

IMO, your just a sad child trying to get attention from others by running your mouth which does nothing but prove your own ignorance while showing how badly you want to fit in because you wouldnt want anyone to notice how completly fail you are as a forum member and Human being.

EDIT: Quite mustache!

platinumrug
07-07-2009, 06:32 PM
Dude.... Lol, who's to say Hidan and Kakuzu has as much chakra as fucking three tails Naruto? Come on now, be completely serious. I don't care wtf Shika pulls out, he's not holding a three tails Naruto, come the fuck on with that dude, lmao.

Silverblade
07-07-2009, 06:45 PM
Wow.. You people are comedians.

Naruto over powered Pain through that whole match. Dish out your arguments to prove this to be wrong folks. He comes in AFTER training and kicks Pain ass. Until Pain staples his hands together with that rod. Even in Kyuubi mode Pain's jutsu was rendered useless. Then tells him a story of fail forcing Pain to commit suicide by using some jutsu.


Kakuzu would steamroll Sasori.

Why? He WOULD blast through his puppets like dynamite.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-07-2009, 06:50 PM
Dude.... Lol, who's to say Hidan and Kakuzu has as much chakra as fucking three tails Naruto? Come on now, be completely serious. I don't care wtf Shika pulls out, he's not holding a three tails Naruto, come the fuck on with that dude, lmao.

I know you can read so why are you not getting my comment "because shikas able to hold kakuzu and hidan with just ALITTLE BIT OF CHAKRA then shika should be able to hold KN3 for a short amount of time with ALL OF HIS CHAKRA by using shadow sewing that sews the enemy to the ground and immobilises them like the regular shadow possesion jutsu.

Look here how the jutsu goes through the enemy like a sewing needle and holds the enemy to the ground as if he were sewn to it. now go you understand?

platinumrug
07-07-2009, 07:02 PM
It doesn't fucking matter about some damn shadow needle, if the fucking sword of kusanagi (or whatever oro has) couldn't pierce 4 tails, what in the fuck makes you think a damn sewing shadow will even come close to piercing 3 tails. WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THIS LITTLE BIT OF CHAKRA BULLSHIT!!!!!!!?!??!?! Lol, seriously. It doesn't matter if he used a lot or a bit, three tails Naruto >>>>>>>> Hidan and Kakuzu in terms of chakra capacity, Shika could have the chakra from Asuma and those two fodder chuunin's and still wouldn't hold three tails Naruto, what the fuck don't you get about that?

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-07-2009, 07:13 PM
It doesn't fucking matter about some damn shadow needle, if the fucking sword of kusanagi (or whatever oro has) couldn't pierce 4 tails, what in the fuck makes you think a damn sewing shadow will even come close to piercing 3 tails. WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THIS LITTLE BIT OF CHAKRA BULLSHIT!!!!!!!?!??!?! Lol, seriously. It doesn't matter if he used a lot or a bit, three tails Naruto >>>>>>>> Hidan and Kakuzu in terms of chakra capacity, Shika could have the chakra from Asuma and those two fodder chuunin's and still wouldn't hold three tails Naruto, what the fuck don't you get about that?

OMFG this is the rediculous Bias Im talking about. First, shadow sewing is used with a shadow and it just passed through hidan both times, not piercing like a blade or w/e because there was no entry or exit marks. And Im talking about KN3, not 4 so what with the sowrd of kusanagi thing?

Lol, its seems youve already made up your mind about this so I doubt there a thing I can post to change it if you think Shika couldnt hold KN3 for a short amount of time by giving it everything he has "all of his chakra". Again, a short amount of time which isnt even 30 seconds so clearly your not going to chage your mind.

EDIT: better yet PROVE in manga panels why shika couldnt hold down KN3 for a short amount of time with shadow sewing while giving it everything he has 100 percent?

platinumrug
07-07-2009, 07:37 PM
Lol you can't prove with manga panels why Shikamaru COULD hold KN3 so don't tell me to prove why he can't, lmao. 100% of his chakra isn't even no where near 50% of Base naruto's, and with the kyuubi his chakra is intensified. Please, it's not bias, I DON'T EVEN LIKE NARUTO LIKE THAT, I don't know how many fucking times I have to say that for you to get the fucking picture. However, Shikamaru can give all that he has, it still isn't enough.

Myth
07-07-2009, 07:40 PM
naruto's pain kyuubi chakra over whelmed pain who by the manga's words can control someone easily with his chakra from a close distance.. Way back in part 1 we saw that holding a jinchuriki isn't possible because his shadow had no effect on garra at all... yet u think somehow in part after seeing how he failed in part 1 against not even a trying garra he somehow can control a full 3 tailed naruto for a bit...

shikamaru doesn't have the chakra nor power to hold such a force... kakuzu nd hidan who the fuk are they they wren't even stated to have close to big levels of chakra, holding them isn't anything special...

this isn't a reply to anyone this is a post in general for any fucktard who has trouble seeing why shika fails at holding anything stronger then he is or rather anything that has an ass load of chakra 10 fold more then he does..

bernzion
07-07-2009, 07:58 PM
naruto's pain kyuubi chakra over whelmed pain who by the manga's words can control someone easily with his chakra from a close distance.. Way back in part 1 we saw that holding a jinchuriki isn't possible because his shadow had no effect on garra at all... yet u think somehow in part after seeing how he failed in part 1 against not even a trying garra he somehow can control a full 3 tailed naruto for a bit...

shikamaru doesn't have the chakra nor power to hold such a force... kakuzu nd hidan who the fuk are they they wren't even stated to have close to big levels of chakra, holding them isn't anything special...

this isn't a reply to anyone this is a post in general for any fucktard who has trouble seeing why shika fails at holding anything stronger then he is or rather anything that has an ass load of chakra 10 fold more then he does..

I agree, Shika cant hold Kyuubi Naruto by his teqnique unless he has some brute strenth or some grip...

platinumrug
07-07-2009, 08:00 PM
Fucking THANK YOU. Please, now that that's over, let's move onto some other battle.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-07-2009, 08:09 PM
Lol you can't prove with manga panels why Shikamaru COULD hold KN3 so don't tell me to prove why he can't, lmao. 100% of his chakra isn't even no where near 50% of Base naruto's, and with the kyuubi his chakra is intensified. Please, it's not bias, I DON'T EVEN LIKE NARUTO LIKE THAT, I don't know how many fucking times I have to say that for you to get the fucking picture. However, Shikamaru can give all that he has, it still isn't enough.

1. Kakuzu has a huge chakra reserve just like naruto and he held him down effortlessly so if shika gave it his all then he should at best be able to hold down about 10 or more kakuzus for a short amount of time.

2. I gave panel evidence to show he can hold a huge amount of chakra just like base narutos easilyhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/332/17/

3. I know KN3 has a huge amount of chakra, but it should be somewhere near 10 kakuzus so since 1 kakuzu can spam 4 different ninjutsu over and over and over again. Do the math!

Here is the only manga feat of power by KN3http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/292/10/

And heres kakuzus power demo, wind jutsuhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/334/13/
Raiton jutsuhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/334/15/
Kantonhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/335/01/
Wind+kantonhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/336/11/

So you can see the power of this then maybe can understand why I believe shika could hold KN3 AKA"10 kakuzus or less" since he can hold down one so easily with some chakra in a chakra blade.

Myth:
naruto's pain kyuubi chakra over whelmed pain who by the manga's words can control someone easily with his chakra from a close distance.. Way back in part 1 we saw that holding a jinchuriki isn't possible because his shadow had no effect on garra at all... yet u think somehow in part after seeing how he failed in part 1 against not even a trying garra he somehow can control a full 3 tailed naruto for a bit...

shikamaru doesn't have the chakra nor power to hold such a force... kakuzu nd hidan who the fuk are they they wren't even stated to have close to big levels of chakra, holding them isn't anything special...

this isn't a reply to anyone this is a post in general for any fucktard who has trouble seeing why shika fails at holding anything stronger then he is or rather anything that has an ass load of chakra 10 fold more then he does..

LMAO, Nagato was running on emty so bad he died with his next jutsu from lack of chakra so BS about controling a jinchurrichi.

Oh, so little 12 year old genin shika cant hold gaaras huge chakra with the regular shadow possesion is proof PTS shika cant hold KN3 with shadow sewing giving it every thing he has:rolleyes: NO! shika held kakuzu whos almost as powerful as base naruto easily so its obvious shika can hold alot of kakauzus "5 to 10" when applying more chakra.

OMG were talking about a short amount of time here which is very plauseible considering the jutsu which showed no power limit like shadow possesion.

Myth
07-07-2009, 08:35 PM
Im sorry but the manga over rules ur opinion on the matter

Konan"at this distance Nagato can easily control you with his chakra"0.o

Actually yes if a 12 year old shikmaru couldn't hold garra who's demon is naturally weaker then kyuubi nd he posses way less chakra nd he wasn't even in a tailed state just his normal self, then yes a 15 year old shikamru cannot hold naruto who's gained twice as much chakra he had pre timeskip nd a kyuubi demon who at 3 tails would eat shika's hole clan alive.


Sorry but u have no proof to back up ur claims shikmaru has never held down a shinobi with his kage mane who had chakra rivaling a demon, the las ttime he tried was when he was a kid nd he couldn't do it because garra voer powered him.. if he tried again on garra 2 years later nothing would change cause he got stronger as did shikamaru but garra's level still exceeded shika's own get it...

platinumrug
07-07-2009, 08:40 PM
LMAO, you cannot be serious? Lol. There's nothing left for me to say, those panels prove nothing. Shikamaru cannot hold a three tailed Naruto down for ANY length of time, not 30 seconds, not 15, not 7.5, not one fucking second. Three tailed Naruto has too much fucking chakra for Shikamaru to even try to do that. Ridiculous.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-07-2009, 08:51 PM
[QUOTE]Im sorry but the manga over rules ur opinion on the matter

Konan"at this distance Nagato can easily control you with his chakra"0.o

Oppinon, lmao, its a fact nagato was so warn out that very next jutsu he used he died from lack of chakra, FACT! So, a warn out nagato couldnt control naruto in SM with kyuubi eyes, so what!?! Shika wont be warn out and has a jutsu that immobilises the body by sewing it to the ground.

Actually yes if a 12 year old shikmaru couldn't hold garra who's demon is naturally weaker then kyuubi nd he posses way less chakra nd he wasn't even in a tailed state just his normal self, then yes a 15 year old shikamru cannot hold naruto who's gained twice as much chakra he had pre timeskip nd a kyuubi demon who at 3 tails would eat shika's hole clan alive.

1. Shika was weaker and less skilled back then even though he held 9 jounin for a little while on emty so hahahttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/119/01/

2. PTS 16 yr old Shika showed no power limits during his fights with against hidan and kakuzu so unless you rpovide panel proof of shika getting his jutsu powered out of the you can prove nothing.

Sorry but u have no proof to back up ur claims shikmaru has never held down a shinobi with his kage mane who had chakra rivaling a demon, the las ttime he tried was when he was a kid nd he couldn't do it because garra voer powered him.. if he tried again on garra 2 years later nothing would change cause he got stronger as did shikamaru but garra's level still exceeded shika's own get it...

True, I cant porve shika can hold KN3 for a short amount of time, but I can prove shika can hold down a team of powerful shinobi with just the chakra in a chakra blade which more then makes its plauseible that shika using all his chakra could hold down KN3 for a short amount of time "a couple second - 25 seconds or so".

And WFT is this about shika cant hold Gaara after the PTS? Wheres the proof and dont even talk about the past encounter.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-07-2009, 08:56 PM
LMAO, you cannot be serious? Lol. There's nothing left for me to say, those panels prove nothing. Shikamaru cannot hold a three tailed Naruto down for ANY length of time, not 30 seconds, not 15, not 7.5, not one fucking second. Three tailed Naruto has too much fucking chakra for Shikamaru to even try to do that. Ridiculous.

OK, Im done trying to prove something neither one of us can prove so lets move on to a new fight.

New fight: Naruto vs sasori out in the open desert "everythings allowed including SM, exept KN 2 and up".

bernzion
07-07-2009, 08:57 PM
Sasori.....especially on his ultimate puppet nd poisons..

platinumrug
07-07-2009, 08:58 PM
Thank you for moving the fuck on. And to be honest, at first glance it would seem that this match-up is terrible (Sas vs Naru) however, Sasori has his 1000 puppet show shit and Naruto has his mass shadow clone jutsu. So it could work out for a while, I don't know though, I think Naruto would take it since Sasori is definitely weaker than Pain. But don't go using the "naruto had help" shit because it doesn't matter, lol.

Definitely not saying the fight would be easy but Naru takes it for me.

superninja
07-07-2009, 09:03 PM
Sasori would win. The terrain is open desert so a long range fighter will have the advantage. Maybe if Naruto summons a frog to use as a shield. Sasori would destroy that summon with the iron sand I think. But Naruto would buy some time to go sage and do rasenshuriken. But all in all, Sasori has the advantage.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-07-2009, 09:08 PM
Thank you for moving the fuck on. And to be honest, at first glance it would seem that this match-up is terrible (Sas vs Naru) however, Sasori has his 1000 puppet show shit and Naruto has his mass shadow clone jutsu. So it could work out for a while, I don't know though, I think Naruto would take it since Sasori is definitely weaker than Pain. But don't go using the "naruto had help" shit because it doesn't matter, lol.

Definitely not saying the fight would be easy but Naru takes it for me.

Remider that naruto isnt starting off inSm like against pain so he has to create bushins and try to hide them in an open desert to use his full Sm capabilites or he will just have to gather NE at every free moment which wont allow naruto the kind of power he had against pain.

Yeah, naruto has mass KBs, but it only takes one pric from sasoris poison and narutos done. And since naruto knows about the poison hes going to sit back which could reveal his position to sasori and get him killed IMO.

So, although Im sure naruto would smash sasoris first puppet I dont see how hes going to beat the kaekage puppet in the desert where his attacks can blend in with the ground or w/e. IMO, the only chance naruto has os to hide three KBs so they can gather NE for him, but since hes never shown the skill I can say he can do it.

IDK, sasori with a sneak attack after burning an asslod of chakra.

platinumrug
07-07-2009, 09:11 PM
Well I know he's not starting off with SM, but still, how hard can it be to summon some KB's and then have them high tale it out of there? Plus Naruto can go into SM in a matter of seconds, he just needs the bunshins to give him more chakra as he gets drained. Plus shouldn't Naruto be immune to poisons since he has the kyuubi's chakra with him as well? I'm just guessing here, and also if he has his Kyuubi too, Sasori and his puppet's are mince meat, come on now. Naruto goes 1 tail would shit on Sasori.

Like I said, I'm not saying the fight will be easy as hell, just saying if Naruto is allowed SM and Kyuubi, he should take it.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-07-2009, 09:18 PM
Well I know he's not starting off with SM, but still, how hard can it be to summon some KB's and then have them high tale it out of there? Plus Naruto can go into SM in a matter of seconds, he just needs the bunshins to give him more chakra as he gets drained. Plus shouldn't Naruto be immune to poisons since he has the kyuubi's chakra with him as well? I'm just guessing here, and also if he has his Kyuubi too, Sasori and his puppet's are mince meat, come on now. Naruto goes 1 tail would shit on Sasori.

Like I said, I'm not saying the fight will be easy as hell, just saying if Naruto is allowed SM and Kyuubi, he should take it.

No, the kyuubi powers can heal narutos superficial wounds, but wont help with the poison. And remember if naruto gets poisoned then it wont matter if he uses sage chakra or kyuubi chakra because how sasoris poison effects the body.

And if Sm naruto managed to beat the kaekage puppet then he would almost definatly lose to sasori puppet army of 100 because SM naruto can only create 2 bushin to battle such numbers plus sassori can hid his puppets in the sand or even reactivate already defeated puppets "great ambush" as long as theyre not too damage.

Also, if SM naruto uses FRS sasori can can maneuver his puppet above or below the attack since its just a large destructo-disk.

platinumrug
07-07-2009, 09:24 PM
I'm sure Naruto can henge some clones to appear as Sand. In an open desert though, like the fight him and Kankuro had, it would seem useless. I'm still not sold on Sasori beating Naruto when Naruto has his SM and Kyuubi powers. Like I said, I'm sure 1 tail could destroy him, I don't ever remember Sasori or his puppets being ridiculously fast and kyuubi naruto is insanely fast.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-07-2009, 09:38 PM
I'm sure Naruto can henge some clones to appear as Sand. In an open desert though, like the fight him and Kankuro had, it would seem useless. I'm still not sold on Sasori beating Naruto when Naruto has his SM and Kyuubi powers. Like I said, I'm sure 1 tail could destroy him, I don't ever remember Sasori or his puppets being ridiculously fast and kyuubi naruto is insanely fast.

Sand hendge:confused: Anyways, naruto has SM, but hes never shown the skill to enter it with KBs in battle before unlike against pain where he showed up in SM while his KBs were say at myubokuton mt. So, if naruto cant even use his full SM then how is he going to beat sasori? And even if naruto goes 1tail that power wont even surpass SM so hows its going to make a big difference?

KN1 was fast against genin sasuke while KN3 naruto was barely fast enough to catch Oro in theyre fight and Oro was already weakened from how close the rebirth jutsu is "a month away".
ANdhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/292/18/

So KN1 wont be faster then KN3 that is just a little faster then Oro.

lamps123
07-07-2009, 09:44 PM
I know you can read so why are you not getting my comment "because shikas able to hold kakuzu and hidan with just ALITTLE BIT OF CHAKRA then shika should be able to hold KN3 for a short amount of time with ALL OF HIS CHAKRA by using shadow sewing that sews the enemy to the ground and immobilises them like the regular shadow possesion jutsu.

Look here how the jutsu goes through the enemy like a sewing needle and holds the enemy to the ground as if he were sewn to it. now go you understand?
you are fucking retarded lol tell me your story maybe i can understand lol
nyway no need arguing with shika hold of kn3 lol nothing to say rofl,
nb:TAKE THIS AND FOR GODS SAKE SHUT THE FUCKING HELL UP http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/453/15/

bernzion
07-07-2009, 09:44 PM
dont understimate both of them.....especially defeating sasori in 1 tail only.....

the problem is i think how can naruto activate his SM in an open dessert, and advantage for Sasori himself....

platinumrug
07-07-2009, 09:46 PM
Lol, that's such bullshit its not even funny. Genin sasuke wasn't even genin level when they fought. Seriously though, Sasori would be demolished, and yes sand henge, why wouldn't it possible? If he can disguise himself as rocks, I'm sure sand isn't hard. And who's to say Oro wasn't fast, come on with that shit dude. Lol. I'm definitely not going to get further into this argument, Naruto > Sasori.

I'm not under-estimating neither of them. I'm saying if Naruto has everything in his arsenal, SM, Kyuubi, he should win. Just because Sasori has some puppets and some damn poison shouldn't make him strong enough to beat him. It'll make him strong enough to hurt Naruto, especially with the poison and the iron sand kazekage but not strong enough to beat him IMO. But lets see what other peeps say.

superninja
07-07-2009, 09:51 PM
I'm sure Naruto can henge some clones to appear as Sand. In an open desert though, like the fight him and Kankuro had, it would seem useless. I'm still not sold on Sasori beating Naruto when Naruto has his SM and Kyuubi powers. Like I said, I'm sure 1 tail could destroy him, I don't ever remember Sasori or his puppets being ridiculously fast and kyuubi naruto is insanely fast.

So your strategy for Naruto is he goes tailed mode and charges at Sasori trying to close in on him. I mean, Sasori's puppet body can get separated in many parts, as long as Sasori keeps his "heart" safe he has nothing to fear. Sasori can summon couple of puppets at the same time and use one of his puppets as a safe guard for his "heart". You've seen how he can insert his heart into a spare puppet when he gets cornered. Also Sasori is an experienced long range fighter, if he sees someone charging at him, he surely has couple of counters. Naruto in base form would be vulnerable to getting scratched by anything and getting poisoned. Naruto in SM or tailed might be more resistant, but Sasori also uses poison gas and Naruto still needs air to live. Also, Sasori's main puppet body can use long range ninjutsu attacks like water and fire. Iron sand. Naruto loses this if Sasori is serious. But, Naruto could win: first he summons a giant frog to shield him from the needle barrage. Then he uses the gained time to go sage and make couple of clones. Then Sasori does the iron sand attack to impale the frog summon. Then Naruto throws FRS and maybe gets Sasori or the kazekage puppet. But if he misses, Sasori can attack Naruto in the open field with his long range ninjutsu or poison gas or puppets. So, it is clear that Naruto would have to gamble.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-07-2009, 09:52 PM
you are fucking retarded lol tell me your story maybe i can understand lol
nyway no need arguing with shika hold of kn3 lol nothing to say rofl,
nb:TAKE THIS AND FOR GODS SAKE SHUT THE FUCKING HELL UP http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/453/15/

your sad attempt to get some rep for reposting to me is pathetic Lampshade. This topic has been over for a while yet you just had to bring it back up and for what, "look at me everyone I can insult him too thus proving how win I am so please someone tell me I matter B-O-O-H-O-O":rolleyes:

And WFT does that link have to do with this topic, lol.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-07-2009, 10:01 PM
Lol, that's such bullshit its not even funny. Genin sasuke wasn't even genin level when they fought. Seriously though, Sasori would be demolished, and yes sand henge, why wouldn't it possible? If he can disguise himself as rocks, I'm sure sand isn't hard. And who's to say Oro wasn't fast, come on with that shit dude. Lol. I'm definitely not going to get further into this argument, Naruto > Sasori.

I'm not under-estimating neither of them. I'm saying if Naruto has everything in his arsenal, SM, Kyuubi, he should win. Just because Sasori has some puppets and some damn poison shouldn't make him strong enough to beat him. It'll make him strong enough to hurt Naruto, especially with the poison and the iron sand kazekage but not strong enough to beat him IMO. But lets see what other peeps say.

Still, pretime skip sasuke was able to beat KN1 naruto after already burning alot of chakra before hand so how is KN1 naruto even going to stand a chance against sasori?

And even when naruto hendged into Rocks it was with PNj skills just like when sasuke summoned manda with no chakra, we dont use them in vs debates. And how could naruto possibly hendge into 1billion tiny rock particals?

And dont get mad, all I did was show some manga panles of what KN3 can do. And sasoris poison is why he could beat naruto because all it would take is a scratch and hes done a only a couple of minutes. Not everything is about strength in these fights, but how they match up "strengths and weaknesses".

platinumrug
07-07-2009, 10:02 PM
Nowhere in my speech did I say it would be an easy fight for Naruto, its obvious Sasori is a terrible match for Naruto since he's long range and Naruto is close combat. I'm saying if Naruto has SM and Kyuubi, he should win. How the hell would it look for Naruto to beat Pain but lose to Sasori, who is weaker than Pain? Silly.

And it's not my strategy, you're acting as if Tailed naruto can't easily close the gap between him and Sasori? Come on people.

And why would I get mad? LMAO, all I'm saying is that with SM and Kyuubi, Naruto should have this. If it was Kyuubi-less, SM-less Naruto, then of course he'd lose without a doubt. I don't understand why people can't comprehend what I'm typing. I am NOT saying that Sasori CAN'T beat him, I'm saying that with SM and Kyuubi it shouldn't happen.

bernzion
07-07-2009, 10:06 PM
yeah, the question is how can naruto activate his SM in the open damn dessert......i mean if he uses that teq.....

Nd if naruto could take out sasori in 3 tail that would be better i mean....

platinumrug
07-07-2009, 10:08 PM
He can activate SM ANYWHEREEEEEEEEEERERERERE!! What the fuck does being in a damn desert have to do with him activating it?

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-07-2009, 10:10 PM
Nowhere in my speech did I say it would be an easy fight for Naruto, its obvious Sasori is a terrible match for Naruto since he's long range and Naruto is close combat. I'm saying if Naruto has SM and Kyuubi, he should win. How the hell would it look for Naruto to beat Pain but lose to Sasori, who is weaker than Pain? Silly.

And it's not my strategy, you're acting as if Tailed naruto can't easily close the gap between him and Sasori? Come on people.

let me try to explain! Just because sasuke beat itachi doesnt mean someone weaker or as strong cant beat sasuke because despite sasukes win over itachi "circumstances" itachi was clearly the supirior shinobi. And just as naruto beat pain doesnt mean sone as strong or weaker cant beat naruto also because of circumstances. Both fought supirior shinobi and won thanks to the overwhelming advanatges they had in theyre fights.

And even beyond those two fight its because of advanatge and disadvanatge a weaker shinobi can beat a stronger one. So, yes naruto could lose to sasori because of the disadvanatages he suffers, but its still possible for naruto to beat someone stronger then sasori with the right advanatges.

platinumrug
07-07-2009, 10:18 PM
Lol you don't need to explain a damn thing to me. I know that very well but the whole point is that Sasori is weaker than Pain, Naruto beat Pain, yes of course using PnJ, assistance, whatever. Like I keep trying to fucking say, I AM IN NO WAY SAYING THAT SASORI CANNOT BEAT NARUTO, WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT IF NARUTO HAS HIS CURRENT SET OF SKILLS NOW WITH SM AND KYUUBI HE SHOULDN'T LOSE.

Yes, Sasori has puppets, he has poison, he has the third kazekage, he has himself, he has 1000 puppets, or was it 100, I can't remember.

Naruto has his basic set of skills, he has kage bunshin, mass kage bunshin, rasengan, he's a lot smarter than he was before, he has sage mode, he has kyuubi chakra so I'm sure he's not running out anytime soon. He has FRS, and yes he could throw it however he still has the variant that attacks at the cellular level.

Come on, I'm not saying Sasori can't beat him, of course he can. I'm just saying that with Naruto having his current set of skills and abilities, then he really shouldn't lose.

Unfera Syndrome
07-07-2009, 10:20 PM
He can activate SM ANYWHEREEEEEEEEEERERERERE!! What the fuck does being in a damn desert have to do with him activating it?

he was thinking that how could naruto have clones gather natural energy in the open when they could get attacked but he forgot they are at toad mountain

is that what you ment?

superninja
07-07-2009, 10:22 PM
He can activate SM ANYWHEREEEEEEEEEERERERERE!! What the fuck does being in a damn desert have to do with him activating it?

He needs to stand still to activate it, and that makes him an easy target for any of the Sasori's long range attacks since there are no obstacles in desert.

But let's say Naruto gets into sage mode, that wouldn't make him invulnerable to iron sand, poison clouds, poisoned blades or fire attacks from Sasori.

Unfera Syndrome
07-07-2009, 10:25 PM
He needs to stand still to activate it, and that makes him an easy target for any of the Sasori's long range attacks since there are no obstacles in desert.

But let's say Naruto gets into sage mode, that wouldn't make him invulnerable to iron sand, poison clouds, poisoned blades or fire attacks from Sasori.

That is what hes giant scroll is for

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-07-2009, 10:27 PM
Lol you don't need to explain a damn thing to me. I know that very well but the whole point is that Sasori is weaker than Pain, Naruto beat Pain, yes of course using PnJ, assistance, whatever. Like I keep trying to fucking say, I AM IN NO WAY SAYING THAT SASORI CANNOT BEAT NARUTO, WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT IF NARUTO HAS HIS CURRENT SET OF SKILLS NOW WITH SM AND KYUUBI HE SHOULDN'T LOSE.

Yes, Sasori has puppets, he has poison, he has the third kazekage, he has himself, he has 1000 puppets, or was it 100, I can't remember.

Naruto has his basic set of skills, he has kage bunshin, mass kage bunshin, rasengan, he's a lot smarter than he was before, he has sage mode, he has kyuubi chakra so I'm sure he's not running out anytime soon. He has FRS, and yes he could throw it however he still has the variant that attacks at the cellular level.

Come on, I'm not saying Sasori can't beat him, of course he can. I'm just saying that with Naruto having his current set of skills and abilities, then he really shouldn't lose.

I see what you mean, but its not about what you have rather how you use what you have "sasoris puppets and poison vs narutos KBs, rasengans, summons and SM". And since naruto in an open desert its most likly he wont be able to enter full Sm with KBs NE, but just his very temporary gather some NE for a second or two and go which wont offer much power very long. And aginst a guy like sasori who can constantly attack with his many puppets or kazekages puppets iron sand which puts naruto at a big disadvanatge.

Worst of all sasori only has to scratch naruto to beat him because of how powerful his poison is. So, if naruto mangaes to gain SM or kyuubi mode while poisoned hes still going to lose after the poison sets in and hes paralysed or w/e happens.

platinumrug
07-07-2009, 10:27 PM
Of course it wouldn't make him invincible, I never said it would, lmao. Also, Naruto could easily create 1000 clones, send em at Sasori and use that time to get into SM or what other peeps were saying and summon a frog to help. He's not completely useless in the desert, lol. He can activate it within seconds so I mean, its not like he needs to wait 5 years to get into SM, he can do it in seconds. And I mean seriously, I can't see why you don't see how he can't make two clones and have them run away and give him chakra.

Unfera Syndrome
07-07-2009, 10:35 PM
Once naruto gets into sage mode it is almost always over unless ur an uber ninja like madara and sasori is good but he is not good enough to beat sage mode

naruto=pain (naruto did have a clear tacticle advantage)
pain>sasori
naruto>sasori

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-07-2009, 10:42 PM
Once naruto gets into sage mode it is almost always over unless ur an uber ninja like madara and sasori is good but he is not good enough to beat sage mode

naruto=pain (naruto did have a clear tacticle advantage)
pain>sasori
naruto>sasori

Thats not entirly true because naruto starting off in SM=powerless deva six paths who are fighting to capture not kill after all but one of his secrets have been revealed. So, these < or > wont make a bit of difference when deciding a winner in this fight because only advantage and disadvantage can possibly do that.

However, despite beating THAT pain naruto could still lose to weaker opponents based on how they match up "strength and weaknesses" as well as terrain "out in the open, on a cliff, in the desert or in an inclosed space, ect ect".

Unfera Syndrome
07-07-2009, 10:46 PM
Thats not entirly true because naruto starting off in SM=powerless deva six paths who are fighting to capture not kill after all but one of his secrets have been revealed. So, these < or > wont make a bit of difference when deciding a winner in this fight because only advantage and disadvantage can possibly do that.

However, despite beating THAT pain naruto could still lose to weaker opponents based on how they match up "strength and weaknesses" as well as terrain "out in the open, on a cliff, in the desert or in an inclosed space, ect ect".

i know what you mean some things are sercomstantial(no idea how to spell that) but in this fight Naruto Vs. Sasori there are no such things to give sasori the edge

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-07-2009, 10:50 PM
i know what you mean some things are sercomstantial(no idea how to spell that) but in this fight Naruto Vs. Sasori there are no such things to give sasori the edge

Agreed!

How about a new fight: Killer Bee vs deidara in konaha crater "both are blood lusted, not holding back".

platinumrug
07-07-2009, 10:50 PM
But it takes more skill to capture someone than it does to kill them, so the fact is they're playing for keeps either way.


EDIT: You're coming up with some silly match-ups KYF. If it's KB vs Deidara, I think Deidara would def stand a chance in damaging him badly but... I've only seen one real battle with Deidara and KB so I honestly can't make a good assumption.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-07-2009, 10:54 PM
Deidara vs Killer Bee in konaha crater?

Deidara will be flying around droping bomb all over KB and KB has one raiton jutsu with his sword to counter deidaras explosives.

IDK, as powerful as KB is deidara could win this fight as likly as KB IMO.

Sapphire Assasin
07-07-2009, 10:57 PM
I think it would be all good for Deidara until KB goes 8-tail like he did with Sasuke, at that point he's screwed ten times over.

h33r
07-07-2009, 10:58 PM
Deidra has advantage of being a long range fighter.....so deidra might win this one ...well if he is not so much concerned about his art....!!

Unfera Syndrome
07-07-2009, 10:58 PM
We still havent seen to much killer bee action besides his swords tech so we cant really make that good of a comparison but i personally think deidara has weak justsu but kishi doesnt think so beacuse he did take out gaara one of a fav charactors so i cant go against what is fact. I really dont know but it defently leans towards killer bee because kb fooled sasuke and sasuke beat deidara but agin thoose kind of comparison ar not to accurate. we should wait for kb vs kisame for better prediction

platinumrug
07-07-2009, 11:00 PM
Also, now that you mention it, I'm pretty sure KB has more than one Raiton jutsu, and I'm sure he can figure out the whole "Clay bombs struck with raiton turn into duds" thing also. He's not stupid, so I'm too sure about the whole explosive thing.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-07-2009, 11:01 PM
I think it would be all good for Deidara until KB goes 8-tail like he did with Sasuke, at that point he's screwed ten times over.

Yeah, but deidara fougth and beat the three tails effortlessly, without killing him too. So, with the full sized bijuu exspirience deidara could blow HK8 to kindom come without having to hold back to capture IMO.

IMO, the only way KB is going to beat deidara is if he can et him off his bird then defeat him before he can make another one.

Plat:
Also, now that you mention it, I'm pretty sure KB has more than one Raiton jutsu, and I'm sure he can figure out the whole "Clay bombs struck with raiton turn into duds" thing also. He's not stupid, so I'm too sure about the whole explosive thing.
__________________

No, he only had this one raiton sword thing and thats ithttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/411/17/

platinumrug
07-07-2009, 11:03 PM
Lol the three tails was just a bijuu by itself, he even admitted it was weaker considering it didn't have a host to harness its power. Plus, Tobi helped as well, so its not like Deidara beat 3 tails by himself although he most certainly could have.

Unfera Syndrome
07-07-2009, 11:10 PM
i thought that it hinted to tobi doing more than getting pwd by it was just him acting stupid, so deirda didnt capture it alone

Edit: At KYF only one raiton jutsu that we have seen so far

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-07-2009, 11:13 PM
Lol the three tails was just a bijuu by itself, he even admitted it was weaker considering it didn't have a host to harness its power. Plus, Tobi helped as well, so its not like Deidara beat 3 tails by himself although he most certainly could have.

Yeah, but he beat the three tails so easily while still holding back to capture. And the fact that 8tail KB is stationarry like against team taka, hes an easy target for C3 dragon attacks or some other C3 attack.

And if deidara uses C4 its over without a doubt, lol.

bernzion
07-07-2009, 11:14 PM
well if no more options for deidara then it will be blow up time!....

SELF-DESTRUCT!!!....LOL

Unfera Syndrome
07-07-2009, 11:19 PM
we definatly haven seen all that kb can do in that little skirmish so again its hard to tell but id be willing to bet that he has got something up his sleve for us

freedom07
07-07-2009, 11:21 PM
KB VS deidara huh

most ppl will go with KB has he is PHYSICALLY stronger by about 1000 times
KB is smart but so is deidara(how he outsmarted gaara)

KB has lightning which goes agaisnt deidaras art

BUT the main reason sasuke was able to come up with his theory so fast agaisnt deidara was becuase on the sharingan being able to detect the bombs neutralising when lightning hit it, so do u think KB can figure it as fast without sharingan before deidara drops c4 on his arse...or if he plants bombs can KBavoid them without being able to see chakra

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-07-2009, 11:22 PM
well if no more options for deidara then it will be blow up time!....

SELF-DESTRUCT!!!....LOL

Lol, true! Hell, deidara could use that clay bushin explosion he used against team kakashi then ambush an off guard KB. Either way some shit is going to explode, lol.

platinumrug
07-07-2009, 11:22 PM
If Sasuke survived C4, I'm damn sure KB would. He has a bijuu so he's a lot more powerful than some regular nin off the street. But there was really no battle shown of them capturing 3 tails so I mean we can't really say it was effortless but I see what you're saying.

Myth
07-07-2009, 11:27 PM
Still, pretime skip sasuke was able to beat KN1 naruto after already burning alot of chakra before hand so how is KN1 naruto even going to stand a chance against sasori?

And even when naruto hendged into Rocks it was with PNj skills just like when sasuke summoned manda with no chakra, we dont use them in vs debates. And how could naruto possibly hendge into 1billion tiny rock particals?

And dont get mad, all I did was show some manga panles of what KN3 can do. And sasoris poison is why he could beat naruto because all it would take is a scratch and hes done a only a couple of minutes. Not everything is about strength in these fights, but how they match up "strengths and weaknesses".


sasuke did not beat naruto both their attacks they both canceled their attacks, sasuke just hit naruto in the gut but naruto didn't have the ehart to hurt sasuke... ur eally think naruto scratched his headband because he couldn't punch sasuke lol he could have fucking clobbered him but chose not because he couldn't hurt his friend sauske however did it...

that fight ended in a tie by defualt though yes sasuke won its similar to the itachi vs sasuke fight itachi could have nailed him but chose to tap his head instead...

Unfera Syndrome
07-07-2009, 11:28 PM
new fight any two sanin vs pain

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-07-2009, 11:30 PM
If Sasuke survived C4, I'm damn sure KB would. He has a bijuu so he's a lot more powerful than some regular nin off the street. But there was really no battle shown of them capturing 3 tails so I mean we can't really say it was effortless but I see what you're saying.

Sasuke had a SG which saw the chakra from the tiny bombs, but KB doesnt have a SG or anyother way to detect the attack until its too late and "what a world what a world, Spppppppp!"

I mean from what weve seen from KB so far deidara could darn well take him as long as he can continue to stay in flight and pic KB apart IMO.

platinumrug
07-07-2009, 11:30 PM
Well, we all know how Jiraiya faired against Pain, and I'm sure Oro knows some things about Pain since he was in the same organization. So I honestly would say it'd be even, I don't want it to give it to either party. Plus Tsunade is the weakest of them all so I mean, we see how she faired.

EDIT: @ KYF, yes the only reason he could see the invisible cloud of little clay monsters was because of his SG, however the other clay bombs he used Sasuke could seem them without SG so I mean, so KB wouldn't need to have SG to see those things. However I do agree that KB would be fucked up if Deidara used C3 and all of those little bombs got inside of him.

bernzion
07-07-2009, 11:31 PM
the thing deidara defeated by sasuke was because of the help of his sharingan...the sharingan had the big role in that fight......he knew the bombs by its color(chakra)..and it is earth elemental jutsu...

Unfera Syndrome
07-07-2009, 11:32 PM
Sasuke had a SG which saw the chakra from the tiny bombs, but KB doesnt have a SG or anyother way to detect the attack until its too late and "what a world what a world, Spppppppp!"

I mean from what weve seen from KB so far deidara could darn well take him as long as he can continue to stay in flight and pic KB apart IMO.

yes we know that but again im sure he has more to offer than what we have seen so we cant really tell so now

any two sanin combo vs pain

platinumrug
07-07-2009, 11:35 PM
yes we know that but again im sure he has more to offer than what we have seen so we cant really tell so now

any two sanin combo vs pain

Well, we all know how Jiraiya faired against Pain, and I'm sure Oro knows some things about Pain since he was in the same organization. So I honestly would say it'd be even, I don't want it to give it to either party. Plus Tsunade is the weakest of them all so I mean, we see how she faired.

Dagoro
07-07-2009, 11:37 PM
Oro and Jiraya can pull it off with their combined summons/edotensei/HM.

Tsunade fails anyone paired up with her loses the fight.

bernzion
07-07-2009, 11:39 PM
yeah if Oro is alive he can summon 4 of them i think: Shodai,Nidaime,Sandaime,Yondaime

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-07-2009, 11:39 PM
sasuke did not beat naruto both their attacks they both canceled their attacks, sasuke just hit naruto in the gut but naruto didn't have the ehart to hurt sasuke... ur eally think naruto scratched his headband because he couldn't punch sasuke lol he could have fucking clobbered him but chose not because he couldn't hurt his friend sauske however did it...

that fight ended in a tie by defualt though yes sasuke won its similar to the itachi vs sasuke fight itachi could have nailed him but chose to tap his head instead...

That fight is over and KN1 couldnt beat pre time skip sasuke so drop it. And the fact of the matter is in the panle you can see naruto got struck and couldnt reach anywhere else, but sasukes forehead protectorhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/233/02/ so shut up about actient fights already

Lol, naruto didnt let sasuke win like itachi. Naruto tried everything to stop sasuke and bring him back and if he couldnt muster the strength to "punch" sasuke then thats just a psychological weakness so sasuke won that fight. fact of the matter psychologiacl warfare is apart of combat so if naruto was weak psychologically then its his own fault, not sasukes.

Unfera Syndrome
07-07-2009, 11:40 PM
the thing is if it was tsunade, jiraya i think i could see her healing him/give chakra that he could possibly go farther into the fight but, he would ultamintly lose

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-07-2009, 11:50 PM
IDK, devas gravity abilities are just so damn effective. i mean if deva caught Oro, Jman and the first and second clones at the right position he could wipe them all out allowing the other realms to finish the job.

Well, if they could figure out a way to negate deva powers then the fights over. Perhaps by having Oro lead deva away from the other realms while Jman, his summons and the edo tensai summons beat the other 5 realms so once those five are beat everybody can gang up on deva and stomp his ass.

Unfera Syndrome
07-07-2009, 11:57 PM
Myth agree with you but please drop it

Ngro_Da_HRO
07-08-2009, 03:07 AM
IDK, devas gravity abilities are just so damn effective. i mean if deva caught Oro, Jman and the first and second clones at the right position he could wipe them all out allowing the other realms to finish the job.

Well, if they could figure out a way to negate deva powers then the fights over. Perhaps by having Oro lead deva away from the other realms while Jman, his summons and the edo tensai summons beat the other 5 realms so once those five are beat everybody can gang up on deva and stomp his ass.

Agreed. But one question is does jman and oro know about the paths. or are they clueless cause if so that's huge difference. i really believe that if jman had Naruto's info then he could have one. Plus with oro its really hard to say pain would beat them.

platinumrug
07-08-2009, 03:10 AM
Jiraiya knew too late about the Paths, his throat was already caved in and he was dying. I'm sure Oro knew since he was in Akatsuki so who knows.

bernzion
07-08-2009, 03:21 AM
why was Oro did not have interest in Rin'negan?

Rinnegan posseses better than Sharingan.....we know that...

it's because that Oro cannot hold Pain nor did not know who he really is?...

lamps123
07-08-2009, 04:54 AM
kyf what i am literaly saying is that i am not down to listen to your crap let alone argue.
you piss me off to no end.

platinumrug
07-08-2009, 10:56 AM
why was Oro did not have interest in Rin'negan?

Rinnegan posseses better than Sharingan.....we know that...

it's because that Oro cannot hold Pain nor did not know who he really is?...

He probably didn't give a shit, I mean if Jiraiya knew, I don't see how Oro couldn't know, he was in the same damn org with the guy. But shit idk.

some kid
07-08-2009, 12:36 PM
why was Oro did not have interest in Rin'negan?

Rinnegan posseses better than Sharingan.....we know that...

it's because that Oro cannot hold Pain nor did not know who he really is?...

Maybe by the time Orochimaru got into the body-swapping Nagato was already a cripple-tron.

Vengeance
07-08-2009, 04:15 PM
New Fight: Danzou vs. Tsuchikage

Ready.... go!!!!

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-08-2009, 04:28 PM
Danzou vs the tsuchikage?

Danzou wins after the tsuchikage dies from over exerting himself with a hand sign.

Vengeance
07-08-2009, 05:01 PM
Danzou vs the tsuchikage?

Danzou wins after the tsuchikage dies from over exerting himself with a hand sign.
But they're both old & frail. However Tsuchikage has the height advantage with a kage hat so Danzou's sharingan wouldn't be able to work on him. I can see Tsuchikage laying the smack down on the cripple Danzou then again Danzou does have a cane so who knows. We do know that Tsuchikage likes to lifted weights because he wanted to carry all that heavy gear he had with him. Telling you man shorty is a beast.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-08-2009, 05:04 PM
How about HM Jman vs kisame and Hidan?

Vengeance
07-08-2009, 05:06 PM
Ummm ok toads love water while Hidan's ritual wouldn't work with Kisame's lake. Hidan would just be a mediocre tai fighter that could be killed with lava. J-Man takes it.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-08-2009, 05:09 PM
Agreed! LMAO, Jmans HM KB could take out hidan IMO which leaves only kisame who would lose after putting up a good fight.

Myth
07-08-2009, 05:40 PM
Agreed! LMAO, Jmans HM KB could take out hidan IMO which leaves only kisame who would lose after putting up a good fight.

kiame would be dead if not for itachi breaking them out of toad stomach or jiraiya can us hell swamp nd swallow kisame up if kisame spits up a lake its better for jiraiya since he can stretch the hell swamp to how big he pleases... meaning kisames water would be 1 big jutsu for jiraiya to kill kisame with..

Jiraiya can beat them both without hermit mode easily.

superninja
07-08-2009, 07:47 PM
How about HM Jman vs kisame and Hidan?

Imo it would be a good fight that Jiraiya could win, but he could also lose. The location of the fight is a water lake summoned by Kisame, Jiraiya would summon a giant toad or two, toads can swim in water good and they can use water bullets, since there is a lot of water surrounding them toads can drink and spit the water at Kisame and Hidan. But consider Kisame has a jutsu powerful enough to destroy giant summons, because Kisame fights tailed beast hosts for a career. Since trained host can turn instantly into a giant tailed demon, Kisame would need to have a jutsu strong enough to put damage on the tailed demon to be confident of success. And we have seen that tailed demons can be as powerful, or more powerful than boss summons.

platinumrug
07-09-2009, 03:04 AM
Personally I'd like the fight better if Hidan wasn't in it, he's just not a good akatsuki member to me. Dude is slow as balls, and shouts and is just all taijutsu like Lee. Kisame has a lot of water based jutsu's of course but his sword would eat chakra, but idk how that would fair against Jiraiya's if he's in HM.

superninja
07-09-2009, 08:45 PM
Sarutobi and Yamato vs Orochimaru
The fight is taking place at that bridge where Naruto and Orochimaru fought.
Who would win?
I'd say Sarutobi and Yamato win this.

explanation: Yamato can make good protection with the wood or capture Oro with it, Sarutobi has a sealing technique called death god no jutsu. Imo sealing techs are the strongest jutsus in Naruto because you can destroy anything with them. Jiraiya captured amateratsu with a sealing jutsu, Minato captured kyubi with a sealing jutsu... When Sarutobi grabs Orochimaru with the death god jutsu, Orochimaru will become paralyzed as seen. So even if Sarutobi doesn't manage to extract Oro's soul, he can still give time to Yamato to prepare something because both Oro and Sarutobi are paralyzed while the death god no jutsu is taking place.

Vengeance
07-09-2009, 10:04 PM
Sarutobi and Yamato vs Orochimaru
The fight is taking place at that bridge where Naruto and Orochimaru fought.
Who would win?
I'd say Sarutobi and Yamato win this.

explanation: Yamato can make good protection with the wood or capture Oro with it, Sarutobi has a sealing technique called death god no jutsu. Imo sealing techs are the strongest jutsus in Naruto because you can destroy anything with them. Jiraiya captured amateratsu with a sealing jutsu, Minato captured kyubi with a sealing jutsu... When Sarutobi grabs Orochimaru with the death god jutsu, Orochimaru will become paralyzed as seen. So even if Sarutobi doesn't manage to extract Oro's soul, he can still give time to Yamato to prepare something because both Oro and Sarutobi are paralyzed while the death god no jutsu is taking place.
Ummmm need to be more specific here. What jutsu does Oro have access to? Is Oro healthy or sickly? Is Edo banned? You need to remember that Oro isn't restricted by a barrier in this fight & would be allowed to summon huge arse snakes. I need more details before declaring a winner.

superninja
07-09-2009, 10:07 PM
Ummmm need to be more specific here. What jutsu does Oro have access to? Is Oro healthy or sickly? Is Edo banned? You need to remember that Oro isn't restricted by a barrier in this fight & would be allowed to summon huge arse snakes. I need more details before declaring a winner.

There is no edo tensei, Oro's health condition is like pretime skip, no other restrictions.

Myth
07-09-2009, 10:08 PM
btw edo tensei would never work on pain he can have the human realm steal souls nd the jutsu is void...

just pointing that out for no reason.

superninja
07-09-2009, 10:10 PM
btw edo tensei would never work on pain he can have the human realm steal souls nd the jutsu is void...

just pointing that out for no reason.

Yeah, Pein has the soul sealing that could destroy edo tensei.

Vengeance
07-09-2009, 10:12 PM
There is no edo tensei, Oro's health condition is like pretime skip, no other restrictions.
Ok so Orochimaru with no Edo but has access to Fuuton, Doton, mediocre genjutsu, & snake tecs. This is a bit one sided considering that even at an old age Sarutobi was up to par with Orochimaru in taijutsu(Sarutobi is a beast). With the help of Yamato here to handle summons with his massive wood(no pun intended) I don't see how Oro stands much of a chance. A Better matchup for this mite have been Kakashi & Yamato vs Oro.

Edit: Just to add on; Sarutobi has katon & doton while Yamato has suiton, doton, & mokuton. It's pretty much clear that Sarutobi & Yamato have the element advantage.

Ngro_Da_HRO
07-09-2009, 10:19 PM
Vengeance i thanked you because of your signature which is badass i wish we sperately thank signatures but i digress.

this fight is stupid sarutobi old as he is nearly beat oro plus the 2 previous hokage's now your saying he has a beast of a ninja like yamoto cmon its not even fair its over before it began

i really say we move on like someone recommend kakashi and yamoto vs. Oro would be a much better fight, i say that this is a no hold bars except oro can't use edo which is overpowered to say the least.

superninja
07-09-2009, 10:41 PM
Kakashi and Yamato vs Oro

Oro wins, Orochimaru is a guy you can't kill unless you seal him, at least that is what I am convinced of. Kakashi and Yamato would hack and slash the guy, but Oro would keep coming back for more, Kakashi and Yamato need a sealing technique to kill Oro.

Myth
07-09-2009, 10:44 PM
Kakashi and Yamato vs Oro

Oro wins, Orochimaru is a guy you can't kill unless you seal him, at least that is what I am convinced of. Kakashi and Yamato would hack and slash the guy, but Oro would keep coming back for more, Kakashi and Yamato need a sealing technique to kill Oro.

or kakashi can use kamui -_-

itachi raped oro without doing anything but blinking his eyes. jiraiya would rip oro shodaime would kill himm madara would kill him minato would kill him sasuke can now kill him cause of mks naruto can kill him.... and all of them can do it without sealing anything...

Vengeance
07-09-2009, 10:45 PM
@Ngro_Da_HRO: The balance scale icon is used to raise reputation encase you didn't know though I already have max rep bars. Thanks for the thanks though.

Next Fight: Kakashi & Yamato vs. Orochimaru
Oro's at 100% health & can use all jutsu shown within the manga however Edo is banned. Would like opinions on whether or not we should ban Manda & or Hydra jutsu as well.

Edit
or kakashi can use kamui -_-
Oro has earth travel for quick escape & can also regenerate if Kakashi doesn't target the head. Kamui may not be an automatic victory here.

Ngro_Da_HRO
07-09-2009, 11:08 PM
@ Vengeance

Ya i din't i don't know half the mechanics on this site is their a friggin tut or something

doesn't kakashi have that dimensional rift jutsu thing i think he can trap orochimaru in their
'
oh vengeance i see what you said earlier din't notice ya i guess but if yamato can hold or manage to trap oro for a period i think it would be a win

Vengeance
07-09-2009, 11:13 PM
There mite be a tit somewhere but I wouldn't know where it's located sorry.

Yeah if they worked together like you said to restrain Oro if only for a moment it would be enough for Kakashi to finish it with Kamui. The problem is trapping Oro though. The real problem here is the huge snakes Yamato could handle most for awhile however Manda is fricking massive in size & if Oro uses his hydra jutsu & actually stays inside I'm not sure if there's anything these two could do.

Ngro_Da_HRO
07-09-2009, 11:17 PM
There mite be a tit somewhere but I wouldn't know where it's located sorry.

Yeah if they worked together like you said to restrain Oro if only for a moment it would be enough for Kakashi to finish it with Kamui. The problem is trapping Oro though. The real problem here is the huge snakes Yamato could handle most for awhile however Manda is fricking massive in size & if Oro uses his hydra jutsu & actually stays inside I'm not sure if there's anything these two could do.

1st off ya i'll probably just learn as i go on. Add to my rep tho however you do it i want to be rembered

anyways....the more you describe the scenario the more overpowered ORo seems i mean we have 2 awesome ninjas who wud just be obliterated by oro i feel bad for starting or at least reccommending this post.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-09-2009, 11:48 PM
IDK, Oro is deathly afraid of the SG which should give kakashi a psychological advantage IMO. IDK, where are they fighting at?

Vengeance
07-09-2009, 11:55 PM
Let's make it Konoha crater.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-10-2009, 12:02 AM
Well crap, just out in the open kakashi and yammato can use theyre numbers advantage to gang up on Oro, but Oros slick as hell and ungodly hard to directly hit thus cause an actuall injury.

IDK, Oro can slip into the ground or hendge anytime while kakashi and yammato both have good replacement jutsus IMO. Lets say kakashi creates another raiton bushin to draw out Oro attack which would momentarrily immobilise Oro if he hits it which give kakashi time to sneak in a kamui to oro upper half. And yammato dies because hes too slow, lol.

IDK, it could go either way IMO.

Vengeance
07-10-2009, 12:07 AM
Same thing I'm thinking I can see how an early win can be gotten by Kakashi & Yamato however what can they really do to Manda? For that matter if the fight actually drags out & Oro get's desperate enough to use his Hydra jutsu could they even put a dent in that thing? It was bashing Sasanoo head on up until Oro revealed himself. I'm personally on the fence but I think I'm giving this to Oro 6-4.

Edit: Hrrmm should Manda & Hydra jutsu be banned as well? I'm not one for to many handicaps...

Myth
07-10-2009, 12:10 AM
allow kakashi to use the chidori lance it fuckign pwnzzzzz oh shit i did it again my bad.-_-

Vengeance
07-10-2009, 12:16 AM
Chidori Eisou is actually my favorite move from Sasuke.... It's to bad he doesn't use it like he should 367-4 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/367/04/) & 367-5 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/367/05/).

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-10-2009, 12:19 AM
allow kakashi to use the chidori lance it fuckign pwnzzzzz oh shit i did it again my bad.-_-

Im sorry, but didnt you just say something about "following someone around":rolleyes:.

Seriously, you idiotic behavior just proves how much that post got to you so you have to follow me around while whiping all the Myst off your mouth, WFT? Get a hobby besides bothering me and wiping who knows juices from your mouth.

BOT: New fight! Kankuro vs shino, rematch in the woods again?

Vengeance
07-10-2009, 12:22 AM
Actually I made the comment about stalking me. Unless myth said the same & I wasn't aware of it. I've been going back & forth from predictions & vs for a while now. Note the post in the thread. Myth has been coming in here as well so no it's not always about you.

Kankuro vs Shino
Shino takes it. The most Kankuro could hope for is a draw.

Edit: I see didn't notice that comment in predictions.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-10-2009, 12:26 AM
Actually I made the comment about stalking me. Unless myth said the same & I wasn't aware of it. I've been going back & forth from predictions & vs for a while now. Note the post in the thread. Myth has been coming in here as well so no it's no just you.

I came in here and didnt even adress Myth so hell if following someone adressing me with "chidori sword" and "whats this all over my mouth".

and yes myth said the same thing in the predictions thread, but anyways.

BOT: IMO, kankuro has the advantage in this fight with his extra two puppets.

platinumrug
07-10-2009, 12:28 AM
Shino should have a fuck ton more bugs this time around too, idk I'm just guessing. I don't know really, I'd say draw. I don't too much like either character's.

Vengeance
07-10-2009, 12:32 AM
Shino should have a fuck ton more bugs this time around too, idk I'm just guessing. I don't know really, I'd say draw. I don't too much like either character's.
He does have a shit load more. It was shown when he cornered Madara with insect globe. Also he's got bugs in his bag as well. Shino's bugs can also follow the chakra strings forcing Kank to giveup his control over his puppets. With the amount of extra bugs Shino has I don't think 3 puppets would be enough.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-10-2009, 12:37 AM
Well, if kankuro can use his three puppets at once "dont remember" then he could win by overwhelming shinos defense then attacking with some poison. However, if only one puppet at a time the other two wont even matter, lol. Shino wins!

TheSixthHokage
07-10-2009, 12:58 AM
Are talking Shippuden Shino versus Kankurou? If so, Kishimoto needs to slap himself silly for how vague he has left the powers of the Konoha 11. I mean, Shino apparently has enough bugs to engulf Tobi in ownage, but he's next to useless during the IoP Arc. So, how strong are the Konoha Eleven? Look at Sai, he's been hyped but never shown to be that great at all.

Anyways, I'd say Shino win, though I think this could change from 455+, as Kankurou could have gotten some serious upgrades, he's basically the top Sand Jounin.

Vengeance
07-10-2009, 01:00 AM
Are talking Shippuden Shino versus Kankurou? If so, Kishimoto needs to slap himself silly for how vague he has left the powers of the Konoha 11. I mean, Shino apparently has enough bugs to engulf Tobi in ownage, but he's next to useless during the IoP Arc. So, how strong are the Konoha Eleven? Look at Sai, he's been hyped but never shown to be that great at all.

Anyways, I'd say Shino win, though I think this could change from 455+, as Kankurou could have gotten some serious upgrades, he's basically the top Sand Jounin.
No way Temari would stomp his arse!! Fight fight fight!!! LMAO sorry Temari is my favorite female.

Myth
07-10-2009, 01:09 AM
kyf ill make fun of ur shit anytime i please ill do it randomly even if ur not here for a week why because i could...

i agree vengeance sasuke's chidori eisu is pretty good he def did the right thing with the move kakashi made, now if he can get some versatility with his element like another few raiton jutsu's cept kirin..

although kakashi's lighting wolf is the bad most bad ass lighting jutsu to date looks wise.

Vengeance
07-10-2009, 01:14 AM
A Sasuke vs Kakashi fight in the manga would be really bad arse though. I can picture it as them copying each others raiton jutsu. It does suck that Sasuke has to have everything he does named Chidori bla. I got sick of that word after nagashi.

Edit: But yeah as of now Kakashi's raiton tecs pwnz Sasuke's. That wolf & clone are fucking awesome. I'm sure he's got many more to show us as well.

Myth
07-10-2009, 01:33 AM
A Sasuke vs Kakashi fight in the manga would be really bad arse though. I can picture it as them copying each others raiton jutsu. It does suck that Sasuke has to have everything he does named Chidori bla. I got sick of that word after nagashi.

Edit: But yeah as of now Kakashi's raiton tecs pwnz Sasuke's. That wolf & clone are fucking awesome. I'm sure he's got many more to show us as well.

yeah kakashi's improved greatly if he only had more chakra he'd eat sauske alive lol... sasuke's mks is null at this point the only thing he got going for him is kakashi having low stamina.. skill wise and everything else>sasuke kakashi is a str8 killer..

before someone sporuts "oh sasuke has speed blahhhhhh" no just no sharingan cancels speed...

Ngro_Da_HRO
07-10-2009, 01:34 AM
A Sasuke vs Kakashi fight in the manga would be really bad arse though. I can picture it as them copying each others raiton jutsu. It does suck that Sasuke has to have everything he does named Chidori bla. I got sick of that word after nagashi.

Edit: But yeah as of now Kakashi's raiton tecs pwnz Sasuke's. That wolf & clone are fucking awesome. I'm sure he's got many more to show us as well.

Is Naruto any better all his moves except for kb are rinnegan bla bla I'm starting to get anti this manga but i still hold out hope

platinumrug
07-10-2009, 01:34 AM
Ah I see, well, since Shino has more bugs and is definitely a lot stronger than he was in PT1, I would say he has more of a chance to win. But Kankuro looks a lot stronger than he was even at the beginning of the series, I think the sand village changes so much its crazy.

Ngro_Da_HRO
07-10-2009, 01:36 AM
yeah kakashi's improved greatly if he only had more chakra he'd eat sauske alive lol... sasuke's mks is null at this point the only thing he got going for him is kakashi having low stamina.. skill wise and everything else>sasuke kakashi is a str8 killer..

before someone sporuts "oh sasuke has speed blahhhhhh" no just no sharingan cancels speed...

Too bad they'll just ignore you anyway and still complain that's the price of being in the same forum as sasutards. Kakashi's low stamina in my opinion is kishi's way of not making him immortal. Imagine kakashi with kisame's or naruto's stamina..................

Beastly

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-10-2009, 01:37 AM
First, myth, I know youll run your mouth because thats all your good at obviously. Lol, you remind me of the little chump kid that would run his mouth then wine and cry when someone actually did something about it, seriously. lol, this is the same talent that caused you to challenge Members to fight which you then backed down once you realised actual harm could come to you.

Anyways, I just wanted to let you know I pitty you and uderstand you need to be good at something.

Second, IMO, kakashi cant win because of his lack of stamina.

platinumrug
07-10-2009, 01:45 AM
Bahh, although Kakashi has a lack of stamina, it definitely wouldn't be an easy fight for neither of them. Although without the snake powers for Sasuke, I'd say his stamina is down as well, just a guess here. I mean the white snake's powers helped heal Sasuke from his injuries (most of them) before his fight with KB, soooo... Idk really.

Myth
07-10-2009, 01:45 AM
kyf get new insults ur shits getting played out.... maybe ud have more thanked posts ...

@Ngro yes i agree kakashi with more stamina would be a monster, i mean he's as smart as shikamaru if not more he long range - short range ninjutsu he has a dojutsu nd his skills as a tactician are beyond amazing. even pain acknowledged him to be a problem if left alive.

Ngro_Da_HRO
07-10-2009, 01:45 AM
First, myth, I know youll run your mouth because thats all your good at obviously. Lol, you remind me of the little chump kid that would run his mouth then wine and cry when someone actually did something about it, seriously. lol, this is the same talent that caused you to challenge Members to fight which you then backed down once you realised actual harm could come to you.

Anyways, I just wanted to let you know I pitty you and uderstand you need to be good at something.

Second, IMO, kakashi cant win because of his lack of stamina.


I think myth and kyf are brothers.... Imagine their like in the same room and we don't even realize hahahahaha imagine


epic plot twist

Myth
07-10-2009, 01:47 AM
I think myth and kyf are brothers.... Imagine their like in the same room and we don't even realize hahahahaha imagine


epic plot twist


if i was his brother im obviously the much more intelligent nd more win brother..

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-10-2009, 01:47 AM
Bahh, although Kakashi has a lack of stamina, it definitely wouldn't be an easy fight for neither of them. Although without the snake powers for Sasuke, I'd say his stamina is down as well, just a guess here. I mean the white snake's powers helped heal Sasuke from his injuries (most of them) before his fight with KB, soooo... Idk really.

Hell no, kakashis not a easy fight for anyone for the first 4 minutes until his chakra pool hits zero, lol. Still, sasuke has the supiror genjutsu, speed and stamina to his advantage.

Ngro_Da_HRO
07-10-2009, 01:49 AM
-_- i'd rather kill myself. over nd over nd over nd over x 100 overs again...

kind of like naruto when he fought kimmaro???

Myth
07-10-2009, 01:50 AM
Hell no, kakashis not a easy fight for anyone for the first 4 minutes until his chakra pool hits zero, lol. Still, sasuke has the supiror genjutsu, speed and stamina to his advantage.


fyi genjutsu is fail cause kakashi has a sharingan speed is fail cause sharingan slows everything down.. stamina is the only thing going for emo boy...

platinumrug
07-10-2009, 01:53 AM
Hell no, kakashis not a easy fight for anyone for the first 4 minutes until his chakra pool hits zero, lol. Still, sasuke has the supiror genjutsu, speed and stamina to his advantage.

Kakashi has lasted more than 4 minutes in a fight using his SG, look at the Hidan and Kakuzu fight for reference. I mean, Kakashi's a tough contender, his only true problem is his lack of stamina, which he would have if he didn't have SG. But that's all speculation really. Sasuke would not beat Kakashi easily at all, saying that is preposterous. And not everything has to come down to genjutsu dude, lmao come on. Idk about speed, I'd say Sasuke is a tad bit faster, and stamina is a toss up for me.

Ngro_Da_HRO
07-10-2009, 01:53 AM
i have to agree with KYF because kakashi's stamina is just to low =( if it was just a lil bit higher nobody would even give this fight a chance. but kakashi's does some good moves maybe they'll take out sasuke but if not its over.....

I know i know i agreed with KYF shoot me but he's valid can't deny the man his props i of all people should not discriminate.

Myth
07-10-2009, 01:54 AM
i have to agree with KYF because kakashi's stamina is just to low =( if it was just a lil bit higher nobody would even give this fight a chance. but kakashi's does some good moves maybe they'll take out sasuke but if not its over.....

I know i know i agreed with KYF shoot me but he's valid can't deny the man his props i of all people should not discriminate.

dude there's nothing to fuckign agree with he didn't say anything that anyone else denied lmfaoo everyone knows kakashi's stamina is low due to the eye draining him...

btw he's last far longer then 4 min.....

Ngro_Da_HRO
07-10-2009, 01:56 AM
dude there's nothing to fuckign agree with he didn't say anything that anyone else denied lmfaoo everyone knows kakashi's stamina is low due to the eye draining him...

btw he's last far longer then 4 min.....

I guess but 4 min just doesn't take it for me nor does it automatically mean sasuke's won Kakashi will take the fight but he'll be in bed 4 a week like all his other fights

platinumrug
07-10-2009, 02:00 AM
I mean seriously, how low is his chakra to be honest? Wasn't it said that Naruto's base (before elemental training) was twice as Kakashi's? And if that's the case, since Naruto has a lot more chakra/stamina than Kakashi, Kakashi's shouldn't really be as low as everyone suspects. I don't know, sounds dumb to me to rule out a win for Kakashi based on his stamina.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-10-2009, 02:02 AM
fyi genjutsu is fail cause kakashi has a sharingan speed is fail cause sharingan slows everything down.. stamina is the only thing going for emo boy...

Dude, sasukes already proved hes faster and has better genjutsu so what are you talking about?

Also, I know hes lasted more then four minutes, but not his bad ass level which was able to take on hidan and kakuzu simutaniously. Kakashi depending on the intensity of the battle pitters out after about 4 minutes.

@platinumrug: narutos base chakra is 4 times more then kakashis.

Myth
07-10-2009, 02:03 AM
I mean seriously, how low is his chakra to be honest? Wasn't it said that Naruto's base (before elemental training) was twice as Kakashi's? And if that's the case, since Naruto has a lot more chakra/stamina than Kakashi, Kakashi's shouldn't really be as low as everyone suspects. I don't know, sounds dumb to me to rule out a win for Kakashi based on his stamina.

he was never low its just that the sharingan eats so much that he tires easily.. his chakra is good without the sharingan but he uses it thus it drains his chakra.

Ngro_Da_HRO
07-10-2009, 02:04 AM
he was never low its just that the sharingan eats so much that he tires easily.. his chakra is good without the sharingan but he uses it thus it drains his chakra.

I remember in the manga how it stated he gets tired cause only an uchiha body can handle the sharingan and the fact that he uses it is amazing so just adding to your point


look at my stats I AM WIN

Myth
07-10-2009, 02:07 AM
I remember in the manga how it stated he gets tired cause only an uchiha body can handle the sharingan and the fact that he uses it is amazing so just adding to your point


look at my stats I AM WIN

yeah itachi mentioned this, kakashi is pure win i mean he evolved his sharingan past 2 tomes nd into the mks way before sasuke even got mks, sad part is sasuke being an uchiha failed at getting his own mks his brother had to do all the work.

while kakashi got it without going to oro or anything , if sauske had just stayed he'd have the mks way before the itachi fight.

platinumrug
07-10-2009, 02:08 AM
@Myth, I know it was never truly "low" to begin with but because of the SG draining him all the time, it's considered to be pretty low. But shit idk.

@KYF, I swore I thought it was only twice. http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/315/11/
I remember the anime saying it was four times though.

Ngro_Da_HRO
07-10-2009, 02:09 AM
yeah itachi mentioned this, kakashi is pure win i mean he evolved his sharingan past 2 tomes nd into the mks way before sasuke even got mks, sad part is sasuke being an uchiha failed at getting his own mks his brother had to do all the work.

while kakashi got it without going to oro or anything , if sauske had just stayed he'd have the mks way before the itachi fight.

Just another reason why we hate sasuke but i'm really wondering don't you have to kill your best friend to get mks. maybe it will end up you have to lose your best fried to get mks and that's how kakashi got it.... lol sounds like dbz super saiyan just saying kishi's pretty unimaginative sometimes

Myth
07-10-2009, 02:12 AM
Dude, sasukes already proved hes faster and has better genjutsu so what are you talking about?im not arguing who has better genjutsu im saying it won't work on a sharingan user, the only genjutsu that works on a sharingan user is mks stuff but kakashi now too has a mks so not even a mks genjutsu can do shit... as for speed sharingan slows down all movement so it doesn't matter if sasuke's faster to kakashi he'd be moving pretty slow. also him nd kakashi are pretty much on par with speed even the data book suggests it...

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-10-2009, 02:13 AM
@Myth, I know it was never truly "low" to begin with but because of the SG draining him all the time, it's considered to be pretty low. But shit idk.

@KYF, I swore I thought it was only twice. http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/315/11/
I remember the anime saying it was four times though.

Hunh, I didnt notice that!

How about SM naruto vs 4tail naruto?

@Myth:
Kakashis MS is a physical attack, not a genjutsu so tsukuyomi will still pwn him until he gets a right eye MS.

Ngro_Da_HRO
07-10-2009, 02:14 AM
im not arguing who has better genjutsu im saying it won't work on a sharingan user, the only genjutsu that works on a sharingan user is mks stuff but kakashi now too has a mks so not even a mks genjutsu can do shit... as for speed sharingan slows down all movement so it doesn't matter if sasuke's faster to kakashi he'd be moving pretty slow. also him nd kakashi are pretty much on par with speed even the data book suggests it...

SOUND reasoning. i say Kakashi wins this one.

Hurry and move on before the sasutards wake up they are starting to chant PNJ

platinumrug
07-10-2009, 02:18 AM
Well I mean it depends. SM Naruto vs 4TN?

SMN: FRS, Enhanced body, frog katas, bad ass pigmentation around the eyes and can have access to Kyuubi chakra.

4TN: Just that, four tails and ballin ass kyuubi cero.

Kind of difficult when one party is extremely strong (well both are) but one has access to both chakras while one is only accessing one but he is accessing a lot of it.

Ngro_Da_HRO
07-10-2009, 02:20 AM
Well I mean it depends. SM Naruto vs 4TN?

SMN: FRS, Enhanced body, frog katas, bad ass pigmentation around the eyes and can have access to Kyuubi chakra.

4TN: Just that, four tails and ballin ass kyuubi cero.

Kind of difficult when one party is extremely strong (well both are) but one has access to both chakras while one is only accessing one but he is accessing a lot of it.

Seems epic but i thought during sage mode naruto can't access the kyuubi and vice versa

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-10-2009, 02:24 AM
Although KN4 cant move, but his hands are Go Go fucking gadget. And cant the KN4 be injured by a physical attack that isnt raiton?

platinumrug
07-10-2009, 02:29 AM
Seems epic but i thought during sage mode naruto can't access the kyuubi and vice versa

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/444/06/

Also look a few pages back, his eyes are access both sage chakra and Kyuubi chakra. 4TN can't access sage chakra because he's too busy being a mini kyuubi and having cero and shit, so he can't access it but SMN can.

Myth
07-10-2009, 02:29 AM
naruto can be injured by no attack once he's in the demons cloak anything that hits him will fail.. not even kusangai(the real one) could cut him.

Ngro_Da_HRO
07-10-2009, 02:31 AM
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/444/06/

Also look a few pages back, his eyes are access both sage chakra and Kyuubi chakra. 4TN can't access sage chakra because he's too busy being a mini kyuubi and having cero and shit, so he can't access it but SMN can.

There we go i see it
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/444/04/

bottom panels okay then thx platinum as usual for clearing it up

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-10-2009, 02:34 AM
naruto can be injured by no attack once he's in the demons cloak anything that hits him will fail.. not even kusangai(the real one) could cut him.

Then how is SM naruto going to stand a chance against KN4?

platinumrug
07-10-2009, 02:34 AM
So I can only assume that we all know Kyuubi chakra is pure win, and sage chakra is win as well, so two wins together = WWiinn. Basically, lol. But like Myth said, the cloak is fucking impenetrable and I don't even think the FRS that Naruto used on Kakuzu would do any damage, the cloak is that awesome. I was for 4TN winning, but after going back, I realize SM Naruto could win as well. For me its a draw.

nuckinfutz
07-10-2009, 02:36 AM
@Myth, I know it was never truly "low" to begin with but because of the SG draining him all the time, it's considered to be pretty low. But shit idk.

@KYF, I swore I thought it was only twice. http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/315/11/
I remember the anime saying it was four times though.
on the official manga (just looked it up) it says: "about 4 times more"
I prefer to trust the official thing...

Ngro_Da_HRO
07-10-2009, 02:39 AM
So I can only assume that we all know Kyuubi chakra is pure win, and sage chakra is win as well, so two wins together = WWiinn. Basically, lol. But like Myth said, the cloak is fucking impenetrable and I don't even think the FRS that Naruto used on Kakuzu would do any damage, the cloak is that awesome. I was for 4TN winning, but after going back, I realize SM Naruto could win as well. For me its a draw.

kind of like epic masturbation hahahaha omg i'm sorry its late i'm sleepy and lost any and all maturity. forgive me but someone has to make these forums funny... for me 4tn is like the incredible hulk anythin in front of it is just gonna get beat down. as beastly as SMN is he's still not a beast like 4tn

platinumrug
07-10-2009, 02:41 AM
on the official manga (just looked it up) it says: "about 4 times more"
I prefer to trust the official thing...

Link? Or at least a link to somewhere where I can look at it online. And I was just trying to make a point that Kakashi's chakra isn't as low as some people think, but he does burn a lot of it thanks to his SG.

Vengeance
07-10-2009, 02:43 AM
Wait how has Sasuke proved he's faster than Kakashi? Where are people getting this bullshit from?

Ngro_Da_HRO
07-10-2009, 02:43 AM
Wait how has Sasuke proved he's faster than Kakashi? Where are people getting this bullshit from?

Calm down sir only fools said that and they were put to bed early lets move on were on 4tn vs. SMN

platinumrug
07-10-2009, 02:46 AM
Like I said earlier, it's really a draw for me. I mean 4TN cero can create canyons and long ass dirt piles and shit. SMN should really have the advantage considering he can access his own, sage and kyuubi chakra while 4TN only has access to the kyuubi's immensely powerful chakra. It's a total draw for me, I can't see how one side could dominate the other.

Vengeance
07-10-2009, 02:48 AM
KSN(Kyuubi Sage) can take down K4N.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-10-2009, 02:50 AM
Wait how has Sasuke proved he's faster than Kakashi? Where are people getting this bullshit from?

Well as manga feats, not DB stat BS sasuke has proved himself faster. i mean kakashi was only able to keep up with a 30 percent karasu bushin while sasuke blitzed and took out a 100 percent karasu bushinin a split second. And then theres the fight against deidara sasuke blitzed tobi and deidei along with the other quick moves deidei commented on. However, kakashi hasnt shown any kind of blitzing speed in his fights against deva or hidan and kakuzu.

nuckinfutz
07-10-2009, 02:50 AM
Link? Or at least a link to somewhere where I can look at it online. And I was just trying to make a point that Kakashi's chakra isn't as low as some people think, but he does burn a lot of it thanks to his SG.
like I said I read it on the official manga, I have it and I just looked it up...
I don't disagree with your point...Kakashi doesn't have little chakra, plus I know the sharingan drains a lot of his chakra...
it's naruto that is a chakra beast, no I'm not saying it because he is the 9 tails jinchuuriki...
I was just pointing that out...if you don't believe me I don't care...

Vengeance
07-10-2009, 02:53 AM
Well as manga feats, not DB stat BS sasuke has proved himself faster. i mean kakashi was only able to keep up with a 30 percent karasu bushin while sasuke blitzed and took out a 100 percent karasu bushinin a split second. And then theres the fight against deidara sasuke blitzed tobi and deidei along with the other quick moves deidei commented on. However, kakashi hasnt shown any kind of blitzing speed in his fights against deva or hidan and kakuzu.
karasu bushin? Did I miss something or are you on crack? FYI Diedara dodged Sasuke ron. Kakazu & Hidan never met sasuke so they can't be compared. That's not fact it's your opinion.

platinumrug
07-10-2009, 02:53 AM
like I said I read it on the official manga, I have it and I just looked it up...
I don't disagree with your point...Kakashi doesn't have little chakra, plus I know the sharingan drains a lot of his chakra...
it's naruto that is a chakra beast, no I'm not saying it because he is the 9 tails jinchuuriki...
I was just pointing that out...if you don't believe me I don't care...

Ah well unfortunately I won't have the official thing anytime soon so we're at a stand still right now. And Naruto's base chakra is already insane, with the addition of Kyuubi it increases like 10 fold, which is what everyone knows of course but just stating a fact. But regardless of where its 2 times or 4 times, Kakashi's chakra is still not low, since its constantly being drained its as if its low but really its like a constant cycle of replenishing and depleting. Kakashi's chakra naturally comes back to him, but it naturally gets taken away thanks to his SG.

Vengeance
07-10-2009, 02:57 AM
Ok got you. Kakashi didn't fight a crow bushin you dumbrase.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-10-2009, 02:58 AM
karasu bushin? Did I miss something or are you on crack? FYI Diedara dodged Sasuke ron. Kakazu & Hidan never met sasuke so they can't be compared. That's not fact it's your opinion.

No, you missed something and Im on Percacet so get it right:D

Heres sasuke blitzing itachi and flanking him then sticking a chidori lance up his asshttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/367/03/
and herehttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/367/04/

Your right! Kakashi fought the real 30 percent clone, lol, does it matter the damn thing was pathetic compared to the real itachi and his jutsu.

And kakuzu or hidan had no high speed attacks so that irrelavent!

Ngro_Da_HRO
07-10-2009, 03:00 AM
Doesn't count kyf that was when they had their Genjutsu duel so i won't recognize it as anything.

Vengeance
07-10-2009, 03:01 AM
It's not the same fucking thing. One is a crow bushin the other is a 30% copy of Itachi that uses a body as a host & is a power of Pain. Two completely different fucking things moron.

Myth
07-10-2009, 03:03 AM
No, you missed something and Im on Percacet so get it right:D

Heres sasuke blitzing itachi and flanking him then sticking a chidori lance up his asshttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/367/03/
and herehttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/367/04/

Your right! Kakashi fought the real 30 percent clone, lol, does it matter the damn thing was pathetic compared to the real itachi and his jutsu.

kyf sorry to tell u this but itachi followed sasuke perfectly lmaooo...

either way sasuke's speed does nothing cause sharingan slows it down stop bringing up retarded crap already.. nd no genjutsu wnt work on a sharingan or mks.. as i said the only thing sasuke got going is his stamina...

oh the 30% clone wasn't itachi it was another body thus that body moved at its own pace only the technqiues nd stuff were itachi's 30% chakra.. nd even then they weren't even up to par as the real techniques stated by kisame.. anything else ud like to point out nd hav eme coutner.

nuckinfutz
07-10-2009, 03:03 AM
Ah well unfortunately I won't have the official thing anytime soon so we're at a stand still right now. And Naruto's base chakra is already insane, with the addition of Kyuubi it increases like 10 fold, which is what everyone knows of course but just stating a fact. But regardless of where its 2 times or 4 times, Kakashi's chakra is still not low, since its constantly being drained its as if its low but really its like a constant cycle of replenishing and depleting. Kakashi's chakra naturally comes back to him, but it naturally gets taken away thanks to his SG.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying too...I agree with that 100%
I don't get why you're repeating it...I didn't say the opposite...
but still it's 4 times as much as kakashi, it's a fact, I looked it up and it is that way...it's written "about 4 times" why would I lie? I can take a picture for you...

Vengeance
07-10-2009, 03:04 AM
Besides that so called bushin had his back to sasuke & stood still even after he noticed him. Itachi wasn't trying to dodge he was fucking with his brother to see how strong he's gotten.

platinumrug
07-10-2009, 03:05 AM
Yeah my bad, I tend to say things over and over when discussing. And it doesn't matter, I'm just saying whether its 2X or 4X, Kakashi's pool is cool. More repetition I know, lawl.

Ngro_Da_HRO
07-10-2009, 03:11 AM
Yeah my bad, I tend to say things over and over when discussing. And it doesn't matter, I'm just saying whether its 2X or 4X, Kakashi's pool is cool. More repetition I know, lawl.

@toad sage got that sig is hot..... now i understand the avatar =)

its okay dude we all repeat and those who say they don't are lying.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-10-2009, 03:12 AM
It's not the same fucking thing. One is a crow bushin the other is a 30% copy of Itachi that uses a body as a host & is a power of Pain. Two completely different fucking things moron.

Are you F-ing serious? A karusu bushin is like a KB, but it hold itachis contiousness after it split up into crows. and just like a KB its a perfect copy meaning its capable of using 100 percent of itachis chakra just a like a KB can use 100 percent of narutos chakra.

kyf sorry to tell u this but itachi followed sasuke perfectly lmaooo...

either way sasuke's speed does nothing cause sharingan slows it down stop bringing up retarded crap already.. nd no genjutsu wnt work on a sharingan or mks.. as i said the only thing sasuke got going is his stamina...

oh the 30% clone wasn't itachi it was another body thus that body moved at its own pace only the technqiues nd stuff were itachi's 30% chakra.. nd even then they weren't even up to par as the real techniques stated by kisame.. anything else ud like to point out nd hav eme coutner.

Dont give me that the clone had itachis SG and everything so BS because sasukes already proved hes faster, no if ands or buts.

Besides that so called bushin had his back to sasuke & stood still even after he noticed him. Itachi wasn't trying to dodge he was fucking with his brother to see how strong he's gotten.

Are you kidding me? How does this Holy shit look on itachis face not explain what just happenedhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/367/03/

and the fact that itachi couldnt even turn around before he got skewered just shows how fast sasuke was moving there.

Ngro_Da_HRO
07-10-2009, 03:14 AM
GEnjustsu plain and simple KYF i can't say anyting more genjutsu doens't prove his speed cause sasuke was using genjutsu too that was his genjutsu moving not him

Vengeance
07-10-2009, 03:16 AM
Actually it doesn't prove a god damn fucking thing. Kakashi kept up with Itachi when he was fucking healthy(pretimeskip dumbarse) while Sasuke fought a half dead Uchiha on his last legs & still was given the fight. You have no real basis for your argument other than comparing two different types of jutsu & also comparing an ambush to a frontal attack.

Myth
07-10-2009, 03:18 AM
yes the clone had itachi's sharingan becaus epain used a shape shifting jutsu on yurra the body was yuura's not itachi's itachi can only be responsible for the jutsu pulled out but the movements nd such are as fast as yurra's body can go...

even the jutsu weren't at full power as stated by kisame... there's no bullshit in this... nd as i said listen open ur fuckign eyes nd read.. sasuke's SPEED DOESN'T MATTER CAUSE THE SHARINGAN SLOWS IT ALL DOWN ANYWAYS.

nuckinfutz
07-10-2009, 03:20 AM
@toad sage got that sig is hot..... now i understand the avatar =)

its okay dude we all repeat and those who say they don't are lying.
thanks...there's 1 more thanks for your collection! lol...let's make it a record!
lol, soon you'll have more than Dagoro if it keeps going this way! haha

Vengeance
07-10-2009, 03:20 AM
Sasuke may not even be faster than Kakashi there's nothing that could actually prove it until they fight.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-10-2009, 03:21 AM
GEnjustsu plain and simple KYF i can't say anyting more genjutsu doens't prove his speed cause sasuke was using genjutsu too that was his genjutsu moving not him

Where does it say genjutsus being used?

Myth
07-10-2009, 03:22 AM
Sasuke may not even be faster than Kakashi there's nothing that could actually prove it until they fight.

exactly nd even if he is it wouldn't matter.

although the data book states the speed stats nd i go by that... regardless of what kyf has to say the db counts..

Vengeance
07-10-2009, 03:24 AM
According to the databooks Sasuke is 4.5 while Kakashi is 4.25? Am I reading that right myth. That's fucking nothing they're basically the same.

Edit: hard to make out but I think they're both 4.5

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-10-2009, 03:26 AM
yes the clone had itachi's sharingan becaus epain used a shape shifting jutsu on yurra the body was yuura's not itachi's itachi can only be responsible for the jutsu pulled out but the movements nd such are as fast as yurra's body can go...

even the jutsu weren't at full power as stated by kisame... there's no bullshit in this... nd as i said listen open ur fuckign eyes nd read.. sasuke's SPEED DOESN'T MATTER CAUSE THE SHARINGAN SLOWS IT ALL DOWN ANYWAYS.

However, even though the SG can see fast movements the users reactions are limited to his own physical speed! And clearly karausu bushin couldnt react in time which means speed.

@veng:
Dude, kakashi almost shit his pants when he saw itachi move when they fight. And the fact that kakashi has yet to even blitz someone.

Vengeance
07-10-2009, 03:28 AM
Because Kakashi isn't a dumbarse who recklessly rushes face first into an opponent. You know how Sasuke did against killerbee. It's called a difference in intelligence not speed.

Edit: anyway i need to get some sleep as i need to wakeup for work tomorrow so have fun. FYI still no proof that Sasuke is actually faster.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-10-2009, 03:32 AM
Because Kakashi isn't a dumbarse who recklessly rushes face first into an opponent. You know how Sasuke did against killerbee. It's called a difference in intelligence not speed.

Edit: anyway i need to get some sleep as i need to wakeup for work tomorrow so have fun. FYI still no proof that Sasuke is actually faster.



Intellect, WTF? Kakashi couldnt even follow itachis movements with his SG "fact" yet sasuke blitzes a bushin with the same speed as the original and nothings been proved? Seriously, why is this even being debated?

Ill tell you what, I guess sakura is just as strong SM naruto until they fight despite the manga feats SM naruto has with brute strength.

EDIT: Yeah and theres still no proof SM naruto is stronger then sakura too, right!?! Seriously, if manga feats dont count as facts then WTF does? Kakashi has no speed feats, but sasuke has alot against fast opponents.

Myth
07-10-2009, 03:35 AM
However, even though the SG can see fast movements the users reactions are limited to his own physical speed! And clearly karausu bushin couldnt react in time which means speed.

@veng:
Dude, kakashi almost shit his pants when he saw itachi move when they fight. And the fact that kakashi has yet to even blitz someone.

hmmm not really since as i said itachi followed him nd just remained still it was all set up by itachi.

sasuke has no speed feats his only speed feats are around slower ninja... he never not once in the actual itachi fight did anything speed wise that itachi didn't keep up with lol.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-10-2009, 03:46 AM
hmmm not really since as i said itachi followed him nd just remained still it was all set up by itachi.

sasuke has no speed feats his only speed feats are around slower ninja... he never not once in the actual itachi fight did anything speed wise that itachi didn't keep up with lol.

1. Itachis eyes followed sasuke but his body didnt so what does that tell you "Limited by physical speed". Granted I admit sasukes body flicker probably caught itachi bushin off guard with such a speed feat.

2. Deidei who out maneuvered Kyuubi juice naruto, neji, lee all without f-ing arms yet he also shit himself when sasuke blitzed him. and sasuke attacked tobi first which is why sasuke missed deideihttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/357/08/
itachi, lol is a speed f=ing beast so saying hes slow is absolute BS
and last is 3tail KB who was right in sasukes face, but still got outmaneuvered even though sasuke was in mid airhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/413/03/
and hahttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/413/04/

3. Again, how is this even debateable?

4. Im too tired for this, lol, we can finish this tommarrow.

5. I forgot this! What do you have to say about sauske deideihttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/358/07/

Myth
07-10-2009, 04:02 AM
1. Itachis eyes followed sasuke but his body didnt so what does that tell you "Limited by physical speed". Granted I admit sasukes body flicker probably caught itachi bushin off guard with such a speed feat.

2. Deidei who out maneuvered Kyuubi juice naruto, neji, lee all without f-ing arms yet hes he also shit himself when sasuke blitzed him. and sasuke attacked tobi first which is why sasuke missed deideihttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/357/08/
itachi, lol is a speed f=ing beast so saying hes slow is absolute BS
and last is 3tail KB who was right in sasukes face, but still got outmaneuvered even though sasuke was in mid airhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/413/03/
and hahttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/413/04/

3. Again, how is this even debateable?

itachi didn't move because he had no reason to lol it was a bunshin it was there to test sasuke thats why at the end he smiled nd said u have become strong etc, he dodged killer bee because of his sharingan.



as for kakashi's speed thats where kakashi is nd were naruto is pretty decent distance http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/270/06/
the bottom part is kakashi's speed http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/271/10/

Kakshi=sasuke in speed written in the DB u can ignore all u wnt but thats what it is kishimoto himself wrote the db nd manga so it stays kid...

stubborn_d0nkey
07-10-2009, 04:18 AM
Hinata vs Sakura

Location: Chunin arena
Restrictions: None

Both are Bloodlusted.

Junken vs Super punch, who wins ??

i think hinata takes this. she can apply junken while blocking a sakura superpunch thus disabling superpunch in that arm

shubhang
07-10-2009, 05:53 AM
i would'nt count sakura out if i were u.sakura knows medical ninjutsu which is just as dangerous juuken.besides sakura can heal herself.
ok i've got a battle:
the 3 sannin vs. pein
orochimaru's hands are perfectly alright.and they dont know pein's secret.

i'd say pein gives all 3 of them pretty hard time until orochimaru performs the forbidden summoning jutsu to summon the 4 hokages which them might then spell gameover for pein.

nuckinfutz
07-10-2009, 05:58 AM
i would'nt count sakura out if i were u.sakura knows medical ninjutsu which is just as dangerous juuken.besides sakura can heal herself.
ok i've got a battle:
the 3 sannin vs. pein
orochimaru's hands are perfectly alright.and they dont know pein's secret.

i'd say pein gives all 3 of them pretty hard time until orochimaru performs the forbidden summoning jutsu to summon the 4 hokages which them might then spell gameover for pein.

the three sannin takes it...Jiraiya almost beat pain alone, he just didn't know his secret, and when he discovered it it was too late...
so jiraiya and the others fight him, discover his secret (jiraiya discovered it alone, with the three should be pretty easy), and beat him..

kOnOhA's WhItE fAnG
07-10-2009, 01:58 PM
I have two versus.

1) 1st & 2nd Hokage vs. The Legendary Sannin(In There Prime)

2) 3rd(in his prime), 4th, Naruto, & Sasuke w/his team vs. all of Akatsuki

Decisions, decisions, decisions. I'm even stumped.

superninja
07-10-2009, 03:32 PM
I have two versus.

1) 1st & 2nd Hokage vs. The Legendary Sannin(In There Prime)

2) 3rd(in his prime), 4th, Naruto, & Sasuke w/his team vs. all of Akatsuki

Decisions, decisions, decisions. I'm even stumped.

ok

1) I would say Jiraiya was at his prime when he fought Pein, Jiraiya used many jutsus including sage mode. Orochimaru's prime was during the time skip, in the middle of his body switching cycles, meaning his host body wasn't rejecting him yet. Tsunade's prime would be as hokage. She used a lot of chakra to heal her citizens during the Pein invasion, so that means she has a lot of chakra to heal herself in this fight.

1st and 2nd hokages are brothers, they are both very strong, the 1st even defeated Madara and kyubi, and since they are brothers they know each other well and can do good teamwork. Plus the 1st is probably border line genius when it comes to fighting.

But I am giving the win to sanins, because Oro is really hard to kill. He will spit his snake bodies all around the forest 1st hokage would create to capture them, Jiraiya in hermit mode has the speed and strength and frog attacks, Tsunade has the strength and healing ability Oro will take advantage of. Plus snake, frog and the slug summons would be there to help them.
If the 1st can summon tailed beasts (more than one), then the victory might go to him and the 2nd hokage.

2) That is a fucked up fight, if akatsuki has Itachi included then akatsuki wins.
Tobi is a good counter for the fourth hokage because he also has teleportation jutsu and a sharingan to help him track movements.

Myth
07-10-2009, 03:36 PM
the 3rd naruto and mianto would kill everyone itachi is nothing superninja....... but then amdara is the problem even if they can beat him he just won't die...

Madara is the only shinobi that can keep up with the 4ths movements cause he to is fast as hell, everyone else in akatsuki would die quick against minato his ftg would end it all quick the 3rd in his prime would be a fuckign beast nobody in akatuski would match him either, nd naruto just killed pain....

minato can just kill everyone isn the end by using death god nd leave sarutobi nd naruto alive thus his team winning...

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-10-2009, 03:46 PM
itachi didn't move because he had no reason to lol it was a bunshin it was there to test sasuke thats why at the end he smiled nd said u have become strong etc, he dodged killer bee because of his sharingan.



as for kakashi's speed thats where kakashi is nd were naruto is pretty decent distance http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/270/06/
the bottom part is kakashi's speed http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/271/10/

Kakshi=sasuke in speed written in the DB u can ignore all u wnt but thats what it is kishimoto himself wrote the db nd manga so it stays kid...

Again, itachi as fast as he is doesnt shit his pants unless something truely awesome happened, lol. And SG slows down high speed movements, but the user is limited by his physical speed and since sasuke physically dodged a 3tail KB in his face while in mid air it means speed.

lol, what is that crap!?! Is that all you come up with on kakashis speed and yet you argue this? Seriously? one link shows nothing while another shows some lines with no one causing them, lmao.

Sigh, DB stats are shit when it comes to actuall performence in the manga which you just dont understand.

Sigh, here, if you love the DB so much the read this and just agree sasuke is faster after all the manga feats and kishis own bragging about speed.
[Godlike speed]
Adding up to his innate talent, Orochimaru's strength — "cursed seal" included — granted him a power a normal shinobi could not even dream of. What one may find especially interesting is his speed, that has stood out ever since he was a genin. When that godlike speed is supported by Sharingan's reflexes, anyone standing before Sasuke is unworthy of existence.

In a blink he's in front of his opponent, then a flash of sword...!! Before his speed, even Akatsuki members hold their breath in awe.

BOT: Hinata has no manga feats to actually judge unless we assume so sakura wins because she KOed a ginat centapede which is more then what hinata has done since the start of part two.

Myth
07-10-2009, 04:42 PM
its funny u say i can't use those lines yet used those lines a few weeks ago in deabte with kakauzu nd kakashi or some shit dagoro can clear it up if anything... yet i can't use em lol..
keep believing ur own bullshit kid...

kakashi>sasuke in everything cept stamina....

Vengeance
07-10-2009, 05:01 PM
Sakura pwnz Hinata because Hinata has no skill. Sakura is faster, stronger, & more experienced in combat when compared to Hinata.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-10-2009, 06:04 PM
its funny u say i can't use those lines yet used those lines a few weeks ago in deabte with kakauzu nd kakashi or some shit dagoro can clear it up if anything... yet i can't use em lol..
keep believing ur own bullshit kid...

kakashi>sasuke in everything cept stamina....

Clearly you didnt get the point!?! I used some DB crap since you insist on its accuracy which just futher proves sasukes>kakashi in speed "what I posted earlier". However, I dont need any DB info to prove sasuke>kakashi in speed because the manga does that for me. lol, you couldnt even provide one panel of kakashi blitzing someone "that BS from earlier is just no", not one while there is at least three showing sasuke blitzing and even more where his speed is commented on.

Lol, your acting like the DB is more credible then the actual manga story by saying the DB proves the manga wrong.

BOT: How about kisame vs tsunade?

superninja
07-10-2009, 06:36 PM
Kisame vs Tsunade

Kisame wins, he has the power of water and more chakra than Tsunade.

Myth
07-10-2009, 07:02 PM
Clearly you didnt get the point!?! I used some DB crap since you insist on its accuracy which just futher proves sasukes>kakashi in speed "what I posted earlier". However, I dont need any DB info to prove sasuke>kakashi in speed because the manga does that for me. lol, you couldnt even provide one panel of kakashi blitzing someone "that BS from earlier is just no", not one while there is at least three showing sasuke blitzing and even more where his speed is commented on.

Lol, your acting like the DB is more credible then the actual manga story by saying the DB proves the manga wrong.

BOT: How about kisame vs tsunade?

the problem is the same person who writes the manga writes the db nd he knows more then any of us.. u can disregard it but at the end of the day its still there..


there's no point in arguing with u especially when u have no solid proof to say sasuke is faster then kakashi just like i don't have proof to say kakashi is faster which is why i say they are equal in speed till proven otherwise when they meet which they will soon.....

Konnaha_yellow_flash
07-10-2009, 09:46 PM
the problem is the same person who writes the manga writes the db nd he knows more then any of us.. u can disregard it but at the end of the day its still there..

The panel i showed u is proof enough naruto was a good distance from him nd kakashi sped up nd caught him those speed lines prove it.... like i said deny it all u wnt its won't change the fact that its there nd u used something similar in another debate last week, yet now when someone else uses it u crap out...lol

deidara is slow as fuk, nd he dodged killer bee thanks to his sharingan he explains later why "he's fast nd strong but he moves in a str8 line i can see his movements etc etc" ur own sasuke says this.. yet once again u fail to acknowledge it....

there's no point in arguing with u especially when u have no solid proof to say sasuke is faster then kakashi just like i don't have proof to say kakashi is faster which is why i say they are equal in speed till proven otherwise when they meet which they will soon.....

I know Kishi wrote the DB, but the actual story is what matters. Those DB stats are just a way to size characters up, but is inacurrate when it comes to the manga itself where theyre perfomences contradict the DBs stats "either higher or lower" thus proving how worthless the DB stats truely are when it comes to VS battles.

And no you didnt show me any proof with naruto slipping and kakashi catching him with some lines with no one attached to them. Thats not a high speed feat!
And I have posted enough manga panels of sasuke blitzing quick or really quick ooponent, but you just ignore them and give me kakashi catching naruto and a page of lines with no one attached to them. Sigh, if manga panles arent proof to you then is pointless.

Sigh, lets just change the subject because this will get both of us nowhere.

Kisame vs tsunade?

IDK, gai fought kisame with nothing but taijutsu and did ok. I mean tsunade is a supirior shinobi to gai because of her brute strength, summons and rebirth jutsu that could let kisame cut her to ribbons just to regenerate. IDK, could go either way, but I wouldnt underestimate tsunade.

Myth
07-10-2009, 09:48 PM
I know Kishi wrote the DB, but the actual story is what matters. Those DB stats are just a way to size characters up, but is inacurrate when it comes to the manga itself where theyre perfomences contradict the DBs stats "either higher or lower" thus proving how worthless the DB stats truely are when it comes to VS battles.

And no you didnt show me any proof with naruto slipping and kakashi catching him with some lines with no one attached to them. Thats not a high speed feat!
And I have posted enough manga panels of sasuke blitzing quick or really quick ooponent, but you just ignore them and give me kakashi catching naruto and a page of lines with no one attached to them. Sigh, if manga panles arent proof to you then is pointless.

Sigh, lets just change the subject because this will get both of us nowhere.

Kisame vs tsunade?

IDK, gai fought kisame with nothing but taijutsu and did ok. I mean tsunade is a supirior shinobi to gai because of her brute strength, summons and rebirth jutsu that could let kisame cut her to ribbons just to regenerate. IDK, could go either way, but I wouldnt underestimate tsunade.

kakashi remains the same speed as sauske till proven otherwise no ur panels hold no solid proof because he blitzed slower shinobi, nd had help with his sharingan for killer bee, itachi was never gonna move cause it didn't matter since he wasn't there.