the fact is the raikages raiton armor will block any fire jutsu, earth jutsu, water jutsu and maybe any lightning jutsu so whats Jman going to do? The rasengan aint going to do anything, but spin the raikage like a dradel because the raiton armor will just absord the blow.

And then theres the speed issue. Rais so fast that Jman would be lucky to even land an attack. Seriously, Tobi/madara is so overrated because he can move faster then everyone else so why is raikage any different? No one can see his movements like madaras, he cant be hit because of his speed so if jman can beat the raikage then must be able to beat tobi/madara if he has a way to catch someone he cant even see moving.

False his armor fails vs. Amaretsu.

False his armor fails vs. Amaretsu.

U know what I mean, regular kanton like deep fryer. The only way Jman could beat Raikage is if he could get him to run into one of his barriers like what hit the original animal realm. Exept rais raiton shield would have to be down because Im sure that would protect him.

lightning would be weak against water would it not?? if raikage was hit with a large amount of water with his raiton armor he would shock himself. some water might evaporate from the intensity of the lightning but very little. and wind would be neutral against lightning. two opposing winds flowing at high enough speeds against each other will generate electricity so i dont see lightning beating wind.

konoha yellow flash....your biased opinions are affecting your judgement on elemental affinities strengths toward each other

lightning would be weak against water would it not?? if raikage was hit with a large amount of water with his raiton armor he would shock himself. some water might evaporate from the intensity of the lightning but very little. and wind would be neutral against lightning. two opposing winds flowing at high enough speeds against each other will generate electricity so i dont see lightning beating wind.

konoha yellow flash....your biased opinions are affecting your judgement on elemental affinities strengths toward each other

Water beats fire, but not raiton. Water would jutsu ripple of the guy. Lol, hes already covered in raiton electricuting his synapsis and reflexes to godly levels so more electricuting wont really help the opponent would it.

And I never said lightning beat wind, thats crazy. Wind is strong against lightning, manga fact.

Water beats fire, but not raiton. Water would jutsu ripple of the guy. Lol, hes already covered in raiton electricuting his synapsis and reflexes to godly levels so more electricuting wont really help the opponent would it.

And I never said lightning beat wind, thats crazy. Wind is strong against lightning, manga fact.

raikage has a controlled amount of electricity flowing through his nerves, which speeds up the signals from the brain to the rest of the body, allowing him to react faster. if he was submerged in water he could no longer control the current of electricity (because water is an extreme conductor of electricity) and the current would flow all over his body instead of just the channeled current raikage has going. scorching raikages body. just cuz he can control lightning doesnt mean he's immune. study up on some chemical science.

how would rasengan be absorbed by the raiton armor?? wen did lightning become a conductor of physical force??

i think raiton would get blown away by rasengan if it made contact. i mean chidori pierced through it and it was the same element only

Jiraiya can slow the raikage down with Hell swamp u guys .. he can stretch it anywhere he wants anywhere the raikage tries to go he'll form the swamp and its over.

Hell fryer would burn him to a crisp and if he caught a rasengan he'd be seriously injured or dead..

The rasengan isn't a piece of shit jutsu like chidori it doesn't have to be precise all it has to do is land...this is what a rasengan did
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/176/10/

Imagine that with sage mode power in it on a human.. or 2 of them at once a double rasengan.. or an ultimate rasengan... or a toad genjutsu, or frog stomach.. or etc etc..

Raikage has only speed going for him and if ppl think jiraiya would lose to speed alone then ur fuckign retarded... OFFENSE INTENDED

Water>Lighting...... U know how sasuke tried to use chidori on the raikage imagine sasuke trying that on darui and imagine darui making a water wall in front of him.. come back to me if sasuke hits that water with his chidori and comes out ok lmfao.

rasengan has a more powerful force of power than chidori and chidori pierced through raikage. (valley of end fight was BS the chidori missed and went down while rasengan went up)

i dont know why the thought of raikages raiton armor being invincible comes into play. its not an armor just resembles an armor. it enhances speed and "deflects" taijutsu attacks by shocking the opponent. it doesnt really deflect attacks, just shocks the opponent if they hit him. thats it, its not really armor.

come on guys.

i dont know why the thought of raikages raiton armor being invincible comes into play. its not an armor just resembles an armor. it enhances speed and "deflects" taijutsu attacks by shocking the opponent. it doesnt really deflect attacks, just shocks the opponent if they hit him. thats it, its not really armor.

come on guys.

seriously,, all it did was withstand chidori to some degree ...

Rasengan>chidori nuff said rasengan has so much destructive force its not even funny... and when ur in hermit mode it doubles the power...

seriously,, all it did was withstand chidori to some degree ...

Rasengan>chidori nuff said rasengan has so much destructive force its not even funny... and when ur in hermit mode it doubles the power..


the only reason it held back chidori's force is because chidori is lightning based.... raikages raiton armor is lightning based....so the raiton armor difused the chidori to a degree to limit its penetrating force.

its not like sasuke could pierce muscle with his fingers extended...

I could be wrong but I am pretty sure Chidori > Rasengan, but FRS > Chidori. Why? Rasengan is an incomplete technique that represents complete and perfect shape manipulation but has NO element manipulation. While it has quite destructive capabilities (going through very thick trees with ease), it is weaker than the chidori that can cut lightning. Chidori has shape and element manipulation and is complete. Now if we're talking about FRS versus Chidori, sure FRS pwns it.

I could be wrong but I am pretty sure Chidori > Rasengan, but FRS > Chidori. Why? Rasengan is an incomplete technique that represents complete and perfect shape manipulation but has NO element manipulation. While it has quite destructive capabilities (going through very thick trees with ease), it is weaker than the chidori that can cut lightning. Chidori has shape and element manipulation and is complete. Now if we're talking about FRS versus Chidori, sure FRS pwns it.
nah i think you wrong bro,rasengan has more destructive force but chidori has more penetrative ability you see,btw i think only kakashi raiki can cut lightning,because from databooks raiki>chidori.all in all rasengan>chidori.

I could be wrong but I am pretty sure Chidori > Rasengan, but FRS > Chidori. Why? Rasengan is an incomplete technique that represents complete and perfect shape manipulation but has NO element manipulation. While it has quite destructive capabilities (going through very thick trees with ease), it is weaker than the chidori that can cut lightning. Chidori has shape and element manipulation and is complete. Now if we're talking about FRS versus Chidori, sure FRS pwns it.

No rasengan>chidori this was proven in the manga
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/176/10/

Chidori is complete but that doesn't mean that its stronger... because its not the more destructive jutsu is rasengan.. The chidori is complete and is A RANKED. The rasengan is incomplete and is A RANKED.. what does that tell you...

Chidori needs to be on point to kill rasengan can just hit you and kill you... look at the link i posted imagine that on a human body... what damage it would do to the inside kabuto who can regenerate still collapsed because the damage inside was to much. If it were any other person they'd be dead kabuto is lucky he can regenerate.

Chidori needs to hit a vital point to kill you rasengan does not plain and simple.. not to mention sasuke used a full powered chidori on naruto and he canclled it out with a rasengan THAT WASN'T FULL POWERED.

No rasengan>chidori this was proven in the manga
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/176/10/

Chidori is complete but that doesn't mean that its stronger... because its not the more destructive jutsu is rasengan.. The chidori is complete and is A RANKED. The rasengan is incomplete and is A RANKED.. what does that tell you...

Chidori needs to be on point to kill rasengan can just hit you and kill you... look at the link i posted imagine that on a human body... what damage it would do to the inside kabuto who can regenerate still collapsed because the damage inside was to much. If it were any other person they'd be dead kabuto is lucky he can regenerate.

Chidori needs to hit a vital point to kill you rasengan does not plain and simple.. not to mention sasuke used a full powered chidori on naruto and he canclled it out with a rasengan THAT WASN'T FULL POWERED.

And yet a fully-powered Rasengan blasts through an oak, and a chidori cuts lightning. Face it, chidori is typically a killing blow. Rasengan was really hyped but it's just a very generic special move. FRS however pwns everything.

And yet a fully-powered Rasengan blasts through an oak, and a chidori cuts lightning. Face it, chidori is typically a killing blow. Rasengan was really hyped but it's just a very generic special move. FRS however pwns everything.

chidori was developed for assassination purposes yes but to kill u must be direct one inch off from a vital and ur opponent will fuck u.. A rasengan can hit anywhere and ur opponent is fucked u chose...

yes kakashi was the only man to use chidori to cut a lighting bolt.... and that fully powered chidori from sasuke paled before naruto's regular rasengan.. the manga even pointed out that sasuke used his full power on that chidori....

There's nothing to face manga facts prove rasengan is the more powerful technique... stated by jiraiya and proven by the panels.

chidori was developed for assassination purposes yes but to kill u must be direct one inch off from a vital and ur opponent will fuck u.. A rasengan can hit anywhere and ur opponent is fucked u chose...

yes kakashi was the only man to use chidori to cut a lighting bolt.... and that fully powered chidori from sasuke paled before naruto's regular rasengan.. the manga even pointed out that sasuke used his full power on that chidori....

There's nothing to face manga facts prove rasengan is the more powerful technique... stated by jiraiya and proven by the panels.

Chidoris a peircing jutsu and rasengan is a wide range destruction jutsu. Each having theyre advantages and disdavantages, but rasengan couldnt beat chidori in the valley of the end so in no way is it more powerful a jutsu.

Chidoris a peircing jutsu and rasengan is a wide range destruction jutsu. Each having theyre advantages and disdavantages, but rasengan couldnt beat chidori in the valley of the end so in no way is it more powerful a jutsu.

correction the manga clearly says sasuke used his full powered chidori and naruto's rasengan completely canceled it out i can link u if u'd like dude..

and it says no where that naruto used a full powered rasengan.. meaning kishi wanted us readers to know a full powered chidori equals a regular rasengan..

they're both kick ass jutsu dnt get me wrong one of the best in the series.. the rasengan would just do more damage to the body while chidori as u put it is a piercing jutsu focused on precise attack ..

the only way chidori and rasengan stood toe to toe THE FIRST TIME in the valley of end is because sasuke drugged himself with the CM but that's not enough to convince some people. chidori could stand a little chance against rasengan only because minato died before it went any further. if he had done something more to it and taught it to jiraiya then taught it to naruto then no one would even argue chidori wouldn't stand a chance against rasengan

Chidori is a piercing jutsu, Rasengan has more of a blast radius.

Rasengan has more pure destructive force. Chidori has a small blast radius but slices and pierces like a knife.

Rasen Shurikan = Pure Hack though haha.

it's not that much of a hack. if it was a truly great hack then in SM naruto would be able to use atleast 3 of them

rasengan is stronger...thats not an argument thats a fact. strength means more power, which rasengan has.... that argument is over.

chidori cutting lightning doesnt prove its strength. a lightning bolt focuses its energy on a single point. so does chidori. so chidori cutting lightning shows its penetrating capabilites. also chidori is lightning based so it is able to negate the lightning bolts charge and kind of absorb it.

in the valley of the end, i dont know if rasengan and chidori hit head on, and then they just slipped past each other. having chidori go down and pierce naruto and rasengan go up to scratch the forehead protector. chidori didn't beat rasengan because rasengan was still in effect, otherwise it wouldnt be able to scratch sasukes forehead protector.

so take it as you will.... rasengan stronger... chidori more lethal

the only way raikage didn't get pierced by the chidori is cuz of his raiton and it absorbed the chidori a bit. with the rasengan it'll just blow the raiton away and there's no escaping FRS if it hits you

I find it as funny that this argument is coming up again now....last time I saw it was....oh...200+ chapters ago?

It has already been wellll established that rasengan has greater destructive potential while chidori/raikiri are more suited for a jab/penetration attack. For example: while the rasengan can blow up your balls (and most of your lower body), the chidori can cleanly cut them off. That being said, each respective attack really does quite well complement it's respective caster.

The real point that I want to make is that every form of the rasengan has more destructive power than the any of the chidori variants. However, the beauty of the chidori is it's versatility.

Rasengan
--->Oodama
--->Rasenrengan
--->Sage Tech Rasengan
--->Fuuton Rasengan
--->FRS

Chidori
--->Raikiri Used by Kakashi for increased penetration ;-)
--->Chidori Nagashi
--->Chidori Needes (senbon)
--->Chidori Infused Katana
--->Chidori Sharp Spear

I just want to point out that each rasengan variant until FRS is really a bigger/more powerful version of the same attack. Until Naruto can throw it, he is essentially using the same thing every time. However, with the Chidori, Sasuke expands his versatility (his options) on the battle field, which really makes him more prepared for whatever situation may arise.

If the rasengan was more powerful then chidori then it wouldve blown right through it at the valley of the end, but it didnt so enough already. A KN1rasengan couldnt stop a mere C2 chidori so proof enough that they're equal because both times they canceld eachother out.

Manga fact so drop it.

yes i guess this
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-176/page006.html

must be equal to this
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-176/page010.html

If the rasengan was more powerful then chidori then it wouldve blown right through it at the valley of the end, but it didnt so enough already. A KN1rasengan couldnt stop a mere C2 chidori so proof enough that they're equal because both times they canceld eachother out.

Manga fact so drop it.

it was a full powered chidori so a regular rasengan just cancelled..

sasuke said he used his full power chidori.. but naruto didn't say anything about making the rasengan EXTRA stronger..

the more more destructive is rasengan proven in the manga.. chidori isn't as destructive thats why it focuses on vital points the rasengan blows shit up like naruto did it that water tank while chidori just crushed it even sasuke knew who's was stronger after he saw the back..


New fight:

Orochimaru Full Health Vs Kakuzu 5 hearts and oro has edo tensei prepared.

Location: the forest where kakashi and co fought hidan and kakuzu.

New fight:

Orochimaru Full Health Vs Kakuzu 5 hearts and oro has edo tensei prepared.

Location: the forest where kakashi and co fought hidan and kakuzu.

1) Yes - thank you for the support. I did not say the rasengan was specifically BETTER than the chidori, but rather more destructive

2) Nobody ever takes into consideration the third coffin that Oro originally summoned. Can we assume it was Minato? If that were the case, he could ditch the other two Kage's and still win. Whatever, with ED Oro takes this no contest.

Without ED....I'm still going to go with Oro, just because he is even harder to kill than Kakuzu (even taking his 5 hearts into consideration). Additionally, every mortal wound (to the heart) that Kakuzu takes, he becomes weaker (aka loss of an element), wheras Orochimaru doesn't really get weaker every time he has to use oral rebirth, he just takes a chakra hit.

Orochimaru is Limited to 1 Kage though Hashirama.

New fight:

Orochimaru Full Health Vs Kakuzu 5 hearts and oro has edo tensei prepared.

Location: the forest where kakashi and co fought hidan and kakuzu.

Orochimaru is Limited to 1 Kage though Hashirama.

Orochimaru wins even without edo tensei in my opinion because he can regenerate and summon snakes, but with the zombie Hashirama he definitely wins. Hashirama would defeat Kakuzu by himself, he can sumon trees to block his element attacks and to trap Kakuzu, Kakuzu on the other hand can't destroy Hashirama zombie without a sealing jutsu.

I think I know the difference between the zombie kages and the original kages. Original kages had very high chakra capacity during their lives, chakra comes from the body. But the zombie kages were just their souls in a body of Oro's henchmen Oro sacrificed. So conclusion is zombie kages have lower chakra capacity than the originals. Oro probably gives his own chakra to them so they can run for a limited duration.

hashi probably owned kakuzu's ass back in the day and he probably ran when he had only 1 heart left and replenished it by stealing other's. even though hashi doesn't have all his powers due to the body he gets he'll still pwn kakuzu, especially with orochimaru's help

With that sick durability of his, I would say Orochimaru would win, thought it would be a very good fight. I like Kakuzu a fuckload.

Edit: I meant without Edo. With Hashirama Orochimaru shit-stomps.

hashi wouldn't really need to do much. just if he was using wood dome or anything to help with defence oro kill kakuzu still

How about Naruto vs Orochimaru and zombie Hashirama? Naruto doesn't start in sage mode, but he makes 300 clones and sends a couple of clones to gather energy for the sage mode. Then he summons some of the frog summons, then he enters sage mode.

Let's say Naruto's regular kage bunshins won't be able to destroy Orochimaru or zombie Hashirama, Oro can counter Naruto's frog summons with snake summons, Hashirama can trap them with trees. During the time it takes Oro and Hashirama to push back Naruto's first wave of clones, Naruto already entered sage mode and has a rasenshuriken ready. Even if RS hits, it may not kill Orochimaru, and Hashirama is already dead. Ma and Pa frog would have to use their genjutsu to trap Oro and Hashirama, or they can do fire attack on Naruto's rasenshuriken to maybe create a fire explosion.
All in all, Naruto has stronger jutsus, but Orochimaru is good at surviving those, since he can also travel through earth to escape any large scale attacks. But, since Naruto has a couple of more clones ready to recharge his SM, Naruto wins this. But not easily. And Oro would probably escape.

Do yoy really mean frs would not kill oro,think about that statement

Do yoy really mean frs would not kill oro,think about that statement

As good as frs is, ORO is pretty much hax, orichimaru isn't even dead he's sealed in some magical sword. Even when sasuke absorbed him, a part of him is in, what's his face, his assistants body. Then you have 4/5 tailed Naruto pwn oro then he just replicated like Piccolo. If all that couldn't kill oro then i'm pretty sure frs couldn't.

As good as frs is, ORO is pretty much hax, orichimaru isn't even dead he's sealed in some magical sword. Even when sasuke absorbed him, a part of him is in, what's his face, his assistants body. Then you have 4/5 tailed Naruto pwn oro then he just replicated like Piccolo. If all that couldn't kill oro then i'm pretty sure frs couldn't.

Dude, the incomplete form of the FRS destroyed the very cellular foundation of Kakuzu, if a FRS hits you, you are fucked. The wind element destroys you utterly. Orochimaru had white snake regeneration, not a fucking dimension hax like Madara.

NGRO_DA_HRO oro uses oral rebirth to change damaged bodies,and oral rebirth uses chakra,as tsunade said FRS uterlly destroyes chakra manipulating system as well as the cells of the body,oros real body is the white snake,the snake live so has cell and probably manipulate chakra so in conlusion HE IS FUCKED UP IF HE GOT HIT BY FRS.

Sm naruto would beat his ass and im sure since edo tensei is a jutsu once the caster dies the technique fails as well since oro is bascially running the zombie on his chakra without his chakra the zombie can't go on since the seal oro places is run by chakra as well..

Do yoy really mean frs would not kill oro,think about that statement

If Oro would get hit with a rasenshuriken from point blank, like Naruto hit Kakuzu, then maybe he would get destroyed. But I was thinking about throwable rasenshuriken that leaves clean cuts, that wouldn't kill him if it just cuts him in half. If the FRS would explode just near Oro, then maybe that would kill him as well.
That is if he gets hit, he can escape underground to hide from FRS.
Frog genjutsu plus point blank rasenshuriken combo, Oro would be dead. Maybe oral rebirth can get you out of genjutsus, it would make sense since it generates a new body, though.

you can't just make 300 kage bunshin and send some off to gather NE. once more than 3 of them dispear the info they gather will distract the kage bunshins getting the NE and fuck them up

Oro had numerous regeneration techs, summons Manda/Hydra, & the Sword of Tsunagi, he's not gonna beat SM Naruto, but he won't be easily hit, not all of him. He can also use earth style jutsu better than Kakashi, so he'd go underground, call forth Rasenshumon, (whatever the triple gate summons he used vs. Kiba's Double Wolf Head form), use clones, he's a snake, snakes aren't easily hit on the ground. Sage Naruto can also add Kyuubi juice so after a while Oro would run out of tricks I suspect. He even knows it to be the truth because he stopped fighting the Kyuubi above 4 tails, and he had no weapon that could penetrate the Kyuubi.

you can't just make 300 kage bunshin and send some off to gather NE. once more than 3 of them dispear the info they gather will distract the kage bunshins getting the NE and fuck them up

I didn't think about that, thanks.

maybe just MAYBE if naruto still hasn't realize whatever the infos gathered by his kage bunshins go to him. he still could have like 500 kage bunshins gather NE and still use them since i think it's the info they gather that distracts them

Naruto would defeat Orochimaru.

could naruto defeat hiruzen? feel free to choose prime or old age or w/e

IMO, yes, he would.

The thing is, Hiruzen and the other Hokages and Orochimaru were imagined by Kishi when his world was still fresh and balanced. For example, Hiruzen was awesome as a shinobi because he had balanced jutsus and was very skilled with them.

In Part II, we have Akatsuki members who are just...haxxed. Rarely can you find a shinobi who can defeat Sasori, because his one scratch means death, and with Sasori, it's hard to avoid one scratch. Deidara could blow up villages, he just didn't for plot reasons. Even Itachi who had an awesome introduction was reduced to Sharingan alone in the end, which is the peak of disappointment for me from Kishimoto. Etc.

SM is just haxx, as well. I would have enjoyed the manga much more if such a skill was never introduced, and if Naruto just trained his ass off to learn other wind jutsu, or learn another element, whatever.

Hiruzen can't go against such haxx. Jiraiya would have also defeated him.

you hear all this talk about biijus having so much power but akatsuki deidara just bombs it and captures it

Okay, Shukaku is the weakest bijuu but is by no means weak in battle. Deidara was going to win because it was plot reasons, if Gaara would have just shitted on him, we wouldn't have seen the awesome fight between him and Sasuke, but that's besides the point. If deidara were to go against Naruto in 4TK form, he'd be demolished. Do not fucking count that bullshit ass shit he did against 2TK form or whatever form it was, shit was weak.

Okay, Shukaku is the weakest bijuu but is by no means weak in battle. Deidara was going to win because it was plot reasons, if Gaara would have just shitted on him, we wouldn't have seen the awesome fight between him and Sasuke, but that's besides the point. If deidara were to go against Naruto in 4TK form, he'd be demolished. Do not fucking count that bullshit ass shit he did against 2TK form or whatever form it was, shit was weak.

lol i was referring to the 3 tails not gaara

^uchiha
3tails can y ou link a chapter about him cause i've never even seen the 3 tail i only know 3 gaara killer bee and our boy naruto.

^uchiha
3tails can y ou link a chapter about him cause i've never even seen the 3 tail i only know 3 gaara killer bee and our boy naruto.

i know tobi was with deidara but i'm sure he wasn't using his full power or any power that would've made deidara realize tobi was stronger than him so i'm sure they were fighting with equal power at that time
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-317/page003.html
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-317/page004.html
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-318/page005.html

Who would win, Darui vs Zabuza?

To me at the first glance Darui seems stronger, he can shoot lightning attacks and he has water element jutsus. I'll assume that's all the elements he can use, if he can use three then he really is amazing like Kakashi, but I doubt it.
Zabuza is good at playing hide and seek, so who would win, Darui with his stronger offensive jutsus or Zabuza with his back stab tactic?

Honestly, I'd go with Darui.

Suiton + Raiton, and Ranton now. Overall, he is more skilled, IMO. Never saw someone combining two elements before in the manga. Zabuza only has Suiton. Both have a sword, so Zabuza doesn't have that advantage, not to mention that Darui can use Raiton on his sword as he did when he nailed Suigetsu.

Honestly, I'd go with Darui.

Suiton + Raiton, and Ranton now. Overall, he is more skilled, IMO. Never saw someone combining two elements before in the manga. Zabuza only has Suiton. Both have a sword, so Zabuza doesn't have that advantage, not to mention that Darui can use Raiton on his sword as he did when he nailed Suigetsu.

just wanted to mention that combining two elements is a high level ability.... it was shown when hiruzen combined earth and fire against oro. i believe the jutsu was earth dragon: mud bomb, then converted the mud bombs to fire

Zabuza as much as I liked him was a Jounin level fighter, far from kage level, and every one of the sound 5 would have own'd him as well, but enough isn't known about Darui, of course he could beat Zabuza his level is at least jounin right now, didn't he use genjutsu as well?

just wanted to mention that combining two elements is a high level ability.... it was shown when hiruzen combined earth and fire against oro. i believe the jutsu was earth dragon: mud bomb, then converted the mud bombs to fire

No, that wasn't in the manga, just anime. So it's filler.

Darui is the first guy ever to mix two elements like that.

Zabuza as much as I liked him was a Jounin level fighter, far from kage level, and every one of the sound 5 would have own'd him as well, but enough isn't known about Darui, of course he could beat Zabuza his level is at least jounin right now, didn't he use genjutsu as well?

i think it was shi that used genjutsu
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-461/page004.html

No, that wasn't in the manga, just anime. So it's filler.

Darui is the first guy ever to mix two elements like that.

really.....that shoulda been in the manga.... my bad

Pain vs Darui, Shii, Raikage, Gaara, Kankorou and Temari?

Who would win?

pain would win

the demon realm could stand against kankurous poisons, hungry ghost realm could handle temari and and darui's ninjutsu and kankurous elemental techs from sasori, shi could be handled by any of them since he hasnt really shown any offensive tactics, animal realm would post overkill on the fodder, hell realm has a formidable offensive ability and would revive any beaten realms, god realm would act as body gaurd for hell realm. doubtful they would get past god realm to kill hell realm.

what it comes down to is....the aides will be dwindled down while god realm holds off raikage and gaara. and then, well the six bodies would take out raikage and gaara.

Even full power, unknown pain would get his other realms pwned by raikages speed, gaaras sand attacks and many nin, genjtsu of the others. Until deva finally beats them or actully loses to rais speed which could probably dodge ST and BT since deva wont be able to follow him. Cant hit what u cant see.

However, without a doubt powerless deva, no secrets, cant kill just capture pain would get pwned by Raikage, gaara, darui, kankuro, shi and temari within a minute flat.

Hell, the raikage or Gaara and temari can handel that version of pain IMO.

Pain vs Darui, Shii, Raikage, Gaara, Kankorou and Temari
Pain winz none of these n00bs can summon besides Temari...

Naruto vs Darui, Shii, Raikage, Gaara, Kankorou and Temari
Naruto winz none of these n00bs can summon besides Temari...

PS: using poison on a dead body would do what exactly? That's right.... NOTHING!!!!

Pain vs Darui, Shii, Raikage, Gaara, Kankorou and Temari


Darui, Shii, Raikage, Gaara, Kankurou and Temari win.

Naruto vs Darui, Shii, Raikage, Gaara, Kankorou and Temari


Darui, Shii, Raikage, Gaara, Kankurou and Temari win.

The only reason Sasuke survived their attack was because of Susanoo. Guess what, Naruto doesn't have such absolute defense. They can't summon, lol. Gara can summon enough sand to destroy any summon, and Temari destroyed a forest area when she was twelve, she could take out summons with her wide scale wind attack.
Raikage is fast enough to get on top of any summon and drill their head a new one.
Kankurou, Darui and Shii can focus on human sized opponents, they are more than capable.

Darui, Shii, Raikage, Gaara, Kankurou and Temari win.

You're an idiot so please stop while you're ahead Pain can eat all of their ninjutsu and reple all attacks he can kill em all using ST, which nobody has gotten up from thus far other then Naruto but none of them posses his chakra level or kyuubi healing ability so yeah... He can also just blast them to hell with giant ST which would eradicate everything.. There's a reason kishi amde his the AL and had zetsu say "I never even considered the possiblity of Pain dying" so please just stfu... ur fuckign reatrded and u can't even back up what you just said...


The only reason Sasuke survived their attack was because of Susanoo. Guess what, Naruto doesn't have such absolute defense.Naruto can easily hop on a frog and reverse summon none of them can reach him.... They can't summon, lol. Gara can summon enough sand to destroy any summon, and Temari destroyed a forest area when she was twelve, she could take out summons with her wide scale wind attack.Your fucking retarded ur comparing branches to summons that are kage level... and can use ninjutsu to stay on par with shukaku and fought the kyuubi but temari can take em out UR AN IDIOT and garra u fucktard uses sand gamabuntan uses water let him try and use sand it'll be turned to mush.. nice brains anything else you wanna be so cool to point out and be completely wrong moron...
Raikage is fast enough to get on top of any summon and drill their head a new one.Yeah cept when they decide to reverse summon which is a time space jutsu but im sure the raikage can keep up oh wait HE CAN'T.
Kankurou, Darui and Shii can focus on human sized opponents, they are more than capable.Naruto easily took down 5 bodies of Pain and fared beautifully against god realm while in SM, he would fucking ass rape these 3 losers especially shi who seems to have no combat ability AT ALL... if you think these 3 fucking noobs are stronger then god realm ur outta ur fucking mind...

You just embarrassed yourself btw way to go... think before you speak or your gonna fuk up any chance of debating this point since i already countered everything u just wrote. PATHETIC

Honestly, I'd go with Darui.

Suiton + Raiton, and Ranton now. Overall, he is more skilled, IMO. Never saw someone combining two elements before in the manga. Zabuza only has Suiton. Both have a sword, so Zabuza doesn't have that advantage, not to mention that Darui can use Raiton on his sword as he did when he nailed Suigetsu.

What the hell is Ranton? Is that a variation of raiton or something I don't understand that at all.

The top shinobi in this manga living are..

Madara
Naruto
Sasuke
Killerbee
Raichu

The tops ever were...

Minato
Madara
Sarutobi
Nagato/Pein
1st Hokage
Jiraiya
Naruto
Itachi
Sasuke (especially after this battle ends, he just made my list).

So yes Temari, Kankuro, Darui, Shii, Gaara, and Raichu with a nub are fodder.

Pain vs Darui, Shii, Raikage, Gaara, Kankorou and Temari
Pain winz none of these n00bs can summon besides Temari...

Naruto vs Darui, Shii, Raikage, Gaara, Kankorou and Temari
Naruto winz none of these n00bs can summon besides Temari...

PS: using poison on a dead body would do what exactly? That's right.... NOTHING!!!!

Summons win the fight, in your opinion?

Kill the Animal Realm and the summons are gone, and killing Animal is ridiculously easy for so many shinobi and two Kages.

When Naruto uses a summoning jutsu, others won't just stand around. He can summon whatever he wants, next moment he has Raikage's fist in his face and he won't even have time to go SM.

LMAO u say 2 kage's as if they are zomfg powerful the kage named died with the first 4 hokage.. those are kages these are newbs compared to them.. everyone knew those 4 nobody even knows who these kids are nobody talks about them they have no name...

Garra I like him im not gonna lie really cool character that will be very powerful when he grows up but for now he's still a kid and both naruto and sasuke out class him in general.. he's only kage cause his village is pussy and have no other candidates.

Raikage will never be anything then a faster version of tsunade..

w/e man its ur opinion and nobody is saying anything just u use the words KAGE as if it meant something these days in the manga.

akatsuki had some kage capable ninja, worth recognition.... the kages at the summit really tarnish the name. imagine if they had sasori as kazekage, kisame as mizukage, kakuzu as... waterfall country, would that make him raikage...... itachi as hokage, and diedara as tsuchikage.

those are some mutha fuckin kages

raikage would murder every one of the names u just named cept itachi.... and jiraiya would murder every name including itachi or they'd both die as a draw.

i think raikage would have a hard time against sasori and kisame

sasori has a vast amount of numbers, raikages fast buts he's not going to destroy 100 puppets all at once in a matter of seconds. his raiton armor is not going to help him against poisoned needles or blades, nor will it help him against poison gas if it covers a large area.

kisame could form a giant lake and that would immediately put raikage at a disadvantage with the raiton armor.. he would shock himself if he was submerged in water. he could simply turn it off and lose his major speed boost, he also has natural high speed tho. with a giant lake he could make water clones with ease, to make a water clone explode on impact could effect him, especially if it traps him in a water prison.


but these are way better than the present mizukage and kazekage tsuchikage and hokage... even if gaara is cool, sasoris kazekage puppet would own gaara, via iron sand better than normal sand.

i like the idea of kakuzu as raikage because of his versatility in combative technique.... hes not a faster tsunade.

People are way underestimating raichu and Gaara!!!!

Raichu alone would eaither beat naruto in SM or barely lose so u add gaara in that scenario and narutos boned!

Summons? Gaara, with mass sand, raikage with brute strength or temari with scythe weasel can take care of them.

Not to mention shi is a genjutsu user and narutos retartedly weak against genjutsu so just guess the odds of naruto winning in sasukes situation right now lol.

On the other hand if full power unknown pain fought in this situation I think pain could take them.

no ones underestimating them people are over estimating them big time especially garra who's no where near sasuke or naruto especially now...

same goes for the raikage kishi won't have his 2 stars out ranked by nobodies at this deep in the manga. it just won't happen..

no ones underestimating them people are over estimating them big time especially garra who's no where near sasuke or naruto especially now...

same goes for the raikage kishi won't have his 2 stars out ranked by nobodies at this deep in the manga. it just won't happen..

Its not about individual ranking, its about 1 mid kage level (raichu), 1 kage level (gaara), and 4 jounin (shi, darui, temari and kankuro) vs naruto or sasuke who are both Mid Kage level at best. And without sasanoo sasuke could never beat such a team of fighters so how could naruto in even SM do it?

first of all Kyf sm naruto>sasuke this has been established already.. second these 4 jounins SUCK...

Shi doesn't even fight he's there for tracking and healing purposes he's the bitch of the crew, darui lol his best attempt did even scratch sasuke sm naruto with the sage aura wouldn't even feel anything lmao..

Temari lol sauske beat her without any effort as a kid he'd rip her now kankuro is the best jounin outta the others that i can say..

Garra naruto already beat his ass once as a kid nothing will change since obviously the main character will get only strong-__-, sasuke can slice through his sand with ease..

sasuke is just an idiot who relies on the mks to much his abilties are more then enough to handle these guys cept for the raikage he needs mks true..

Sm naruto though is on a whole other level sasuke isn't his equal right now maybe he will be when he gets pms if the spoiler is true, but currently fuck no man just no... he'd fuking kill these people he has summons he can summon any frog including fukasaku and shima they can just use sage tech song to take em all out....

Sm naruto and his abilities at this point are overkill he's fast(just don't argue it cause i know you lol), strong, endurance, can sense chakra,his ninjutsu power has increased GREATLY, his tacticle skills have really improved.. its as zetsu literally said in the right trans "he's stronger then sauske now" kishi wrote that for a reason he wouldn't right that for now reason.

But anyways sasuke and naruto can both take these guys down for naruto though it would be easier though.

im done with the subject...

this whole thing about pain.... if he was unkwon he would win, but known he would lose.... is complete bullshit.

it took about 4 to 5 ninja all working on the sole purpose of finding out pains secret, and that wasnt even in battle. now if pain had five seperate ninja working on everybodys tech's and weakness for a week than he would own most of them and he would definitely end up winning

now if your going on the grounds of.. well his ability is almost impossible to figure out so its not fair. well thats tough cookies to the other shinobi cause thats what being a shinobi is. decieving your opponent.

the fact is, if pain fought any ninja, and it was their first time meeting or even hearing about each other. pain would win pretty much every battle.

everyone's ability is unknown unless you know the person and even then the person can have aces... here we thought we knew about pain nd he pull chibaku tensei and rinne tensei..

Nothing was known about Pain if u look at the fight naruto was told the ability of only TWO bodies, and the rest he picked off just like that, even now with Pain dead half the shinobi world doesn't know what he was who he was or his abilities they just know this guy was the strongest akatsuki and destroyed konoha by himself... Going off by those 2 statments he's feared already..

Anyways forget this..

New Fight

Kakashi Vs Sasori

Sasori, Kakashi is a great ninja, but he doesn't have the stamina to go with Sasori who exerts minimal effort using puppets. Kakashi would be alright for the opening minutes but would run out of steam and charkra.

What the hell is Ranton? Is that a variation of raiton or something I don't understand that at all.

So yeah .

kakashi could use his doton jutsu to hide underground to avoid a lot of the poison needles and gases, use a kage bunshin as a distraction to allow him to do this.

kakashi has really shown too wide a variety of jutsu even tho we know he has a very impressive arsenal. but if the jutsu he has shown are his better ones such as, giant fire ball, water dragon, and so forth, then sasori's elemental techs will beat his.

his sharingan and speed will be very useful to dodge hidden needles and attacks, although it will be harder since he cant detect muscle tensions in a puppet.

his ace would of course be kamui but he would have to make it count. i believe the max he can do it is 2 times.

in the end i would have to give it to sasori

kakashi has the stamina in this fight but he can only use mks once... he can use every technique and ability he has shown thus far without worrying to much about his stamina aka chakra.. but because of that I allow 1 mks kamui usage the entire fight..

Anyways i say kakashi takes this he's fast he can use dotan as someone mention to block needles and shit using earth wall he can easily dodge things since he has the sharingan and sakura was able to dodge he can as well..

he can escape using dotan to go underground if sasori tries the steal prison.. pop up and destroy 3rd kazekage..

after that it'll be touch but using water ninjutsu his speed and better then gai taijutsu he can with stand those puppets since sakura could as well...

he can use kage bushinns to destroy those 1000 puppets since he can also make a lot of clones.

he can use hidden mist jutsu to block out sasori's vision of him and use raikiri to destroy his heart.

First of all, frog song genjutsu wouldn't take them all out in one instant because Raikage has the antigenjutsu raiton aura that activates his nerves all the time and Temari can defend from the sound genjutsu by disrupting sound with wind (like she did against that flute chick).

As for Kakashi vs Sasori, Kakashi has the goods to bring Sasori down. But he can also lose. The scorpion puppet would surely be destroyed by Kakashi. But after that it would get more difficult, Kakshi would have to snipe Sasori's heart with kamui or with chidori.

The top shinobi in this manga living are..

Madara
Naruto
Sasuke
Killerbee
Raichu

The tops ever were...

Minato
Madara
Sarutobi
Nagato/Pein
1st Hokage
Jiraiya
Naruto
Itachi
Sasuke (especially after this battle ends, he just made my list).

So yes Temari, Kankuro, Darui, Shii, Gaara, and Raichu with a nub are fodder.

i disagree with your list, i would put top shinobi as of now -
madara(prime) or first hokage
pain
killerbee(he has complete control of a frickin demon beast)
minato
itachi
naruto(in sage)/saskue
sarutobi(prime)
cba with the rest...
N/S id say there the same atm, with saskue having an edge with MSharigan(until he goes blind)

kakashi would win probably with his sharingan he can dodge alot of shit coming at him
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-240/page002.html
somehow it can take out alot of enemies

kakashi vs sasori...interesting...

it depends on the scenario...
well, does kakashi knows that every little thing inside sasori's sleeves is a
"hit u and ur numb in a few seconds and 100% dead when Tsunade/Sakura isn't around"?

if he doesn't know, he's 100% dead...
ex:
kakashi: ouch, managed to avoid with a little wound, i've been stabbed by swords before, why worries on little stuff like this, i'm a kage level jounin for god's sake...hahaha...numb...dead...

okay, he got some intel cause Sakura briefed him, good...



okay, ur job to imagine the 100% not gonna happen theory, cuz Sasori's dead @_@

from what i understand its current kakashi vs sasori so here comes my evaluation from a kakashi POV

well we haven't seen if sasori has (great) ninjutsu counters (because we havent seen him up against a ninjutsu user) while in his main puppet (the one he starts off in, cant recall the name) if he does i think that sasori would win cause i think kakashi would have a hard time destroying it with taijutsu (even with chidori he would have some trouble doing it - plus it would hurt his chakra pool). If he is weak to ninjutsu then kakshi could pretty surely destroy it. Further it depends on kakashis knowledge of puppet users. From what we have seen so far kakashi has some knowledge of about almost anything so i dont think it would be irrational to assume he has some knowledge of puppets. If he came into the battle knowing that sasori uses puppets than thats a big plus for kakashi. I think kakashi definitely has the intelligence needed to figure out sasoris weak point if he is out of the first puppet. When that time comes it wouldnt be at the beginning of the battle so i think kakashi could easily opt to kamui him seeing the difficulty that he has had so far.

Oh, and of course kakashi could kamui the whole puppet at the beginning but that is not like him, he knows about the repercussions on his health so he would only use it later on in the battle if he feels that there is no alternative (probably similar reason as to why he didnt kamui pains guts). Just to add that i think he can kamuui the whole puppet has he was able to kamui an explosion of a greater area.

okay, ur job to imagine the 100% not gonna happen theory, cuz Sasori's dead @_@

Kakashi would first summon the earth wall to defend against the needle barrage Sasori would shoot at him. Then Kakashi would make a lightning clone and hide underground with his real body (Sasori wouldn't see that coz Kakashi is behind the wall). The lightning clone can do the lightning jutsus the real Kakashi can so the lightning clone would destroy the scorpion puppet with the lighting dog attack http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/421/13/, well we didn't see the damage rate of that attack but it probably does heavy impact damage plus the heat from the lightning would set fire to the wooden puppet.
Sasori would then jump out with his puppet body that contains his heart. Sasori could then use several puppets at once (up to 100) including the kazekage puppet that can do iron sand attacks, or use his puppet body that has tubes for shooting fire attacks.
Kakashi's lightning clone would probably get destroyed and that would cause the clone to explode. Real Kakashi would probably emerge from underground to watch the fight hidden. With the sharingan he might see the chakra strings and that way he would notice they all come from Sasori's "heart". That would make him want to kamui or chidori Sasori's heart, he could maybe do it the moment the lightning clone explodes, otherwise he would be very screwed as he would have to make another distraction and he would be getting low on chakra.


Oh, and of course kakashi could kamui the whole puppet at the beginning but that is not like him, he knows about the repercussions on his health so he would only use it later on in the battle if he feels that there is no alternative (probably similar reason as to why he didnt kamui pains guts). Just to add that i think he can kamuui the whole puppet has he was able to kamui an explosion of a greater area.

That is kinda strange that he can kamui the whole explosion, other than that he was only using kamui on smaller objects.

i disagree with your list, i would put top shinobi as of now -
madara(prime) or first hokage
pain
killerbee(he has complete control of a frickin demon beast)
minato
itachi
naruto(in sage)/saskue
sarutobi(prime)
cba with the rest...
N/S id say there the same atm, with saskue having an edge with MSharigan(until he goes blind)

How are you disagreeing with my list when you have the same characters except for KB. Secondly my list was just that, a list it dosen't rank whos better, blah blah. My list made sense because it differentiated between whos alive now in the manga, and those who were just uber in the manga to date. An example is you put Pein on your list when Nagato is dead as a doorknob.
Kakashi vs. Sasori... A lot of opinion is out there, so heres mine. The first puppet the scorpion tank is called Hiruzen, and all it is, is a weapon launcher, and the tail is the defense. It's not super mobile and though I think a LOT of different weapons would come at Kakashi, he would go underground. Come up at a good spot and chidori the Puppet, then its dead.
Then the puppet that many forgot about the #2 is called Kazekage. Thats whom he used the 2nd Kazekage for the puppet so he also controls the Iron Sand jutsu which form into many weapons. This is the hole in the plot because it was bullshit that Sakura was punching the large blocks with gloves on, and wasn't poisioned. Then the same iron sand did the 'World Globe' and transformed into a giant net with spikes and the shit was then poisonous....err. Anyhow I say Kakashi uses Rakiri and takes down Kazekage, but he will be poisoned. Now Kakashi's in a rush because he's starting to feel a little bad, but he avoids Sasori's fire, and steam attacks. He then uses Kamui on Sasori's final puppet (himself), as Sasori begins summoning 100 puppets. Kamui takes out Sasori, and the 100 puppets just fall to the ground. Kakashi smiles... then dies from the poision and the bout ends in a draw.

a new fight that will scar the earth...



KONOHAMARU VS HYUUGA HANABI !!!

naruto 466 confirmed spoiler

んじゃ簡単に

水影vsサスケ　溶遁・溶解の術をスサノオで防ぐがヒラメカレイの一撃を 喰らい
吹っ飛ばされ密室にした水影とタイマン

血系限界？ｗを２つもつ水影さま　沸遁　なんとか～
と口から強酸の霧を発生させサスケを溶かす作戦へ…
チャクラを使い切り腕が溶け始めたところに　ゼツの胞子の術で水影様の体 から
ゼツが生え始めチャクラを吸い取り　サスケと融合チャクラが復活し密室をスサノオで破 壊し
脱出　土影・付き人どももゼツに縛られているが　土影　ワイらもやるかと
ゼツから脱出し　分子レベルまで分解してしまう術をサスケにかけサスケを消し去ってし まう

そこに雷影・ガアラが会議室へ　

そこにサスケを背負ったマダラが登場し

お前らに　月の眼計画　の話を聞いて貰いたくてここにきた

見たいなところを言ったところで　完です

a new fight that will scar the earth...



KONOHAMARU VS HYUUGA HANABI !!!

konohamaru. he is comparable (if no a better ninja) to (kyuubiless) naruto at the same age.

Don't post spoilers in the Vs. Thread, this is for battle and argument only.

Nagato versus Itachi

Restrictions: No Susanno and no God Realm powers besides the gravitational pull.

Where: The ruins of Konoha.

Itachi uses genjutsu on Nagato boom bam end of story.
Now if Nagato is hidden like he was in the Naruto fight it might be a different story...

Itachi uses amaterasu on the demon gate Pein so no more reviving, he can then probably Tseukeyomi the rest of the paths then hunt down nagato and kill him

Lol, that whole genjutsu thing is the whackest argument ever conceived when talking about the rin'negan vs the sharingan.

i dont know how the tsukyomi would fair against a rinnegan user. theyre both dojutsu but rinnegan is said to be stronger. rinnegan is older as well. i dont know if a sharingan tech could beat a user of the rinnegan, the chakra of the rinnegan might be stronger than that of the sharingan, doubtful that its more sinister but who knows.

True, I'm sure the one time leader of Akatuski knows that Itachi's sharingan casts genjutsu by his eyes glancing at the opponent's.

It would be bad if God Realm used Bansho Tennin on one of Itachi's exploding shadow clones. That would be awful for Pain. It would be awful for Itachi if Hungry Ghost absorbs Amaterasu.

Though Pain can spam summons. We haven't seen a lot of Itachi's jutsu though besides a water technique, exloding shadow clones, Fire Ball jutsu, genjuts and Mangekyou Techniques.

what i would want to see is nagato, not synced to gedo mazo and not fighting through six bodies. meaning nagato himself would have all the powers in his own body and he would be healthy as a horse.

have him face off against itachi. or any other badass character..... it would be an epic fight.

Nagato versus Itachi

Restrictions: No Susanno and no God Realm powers besides the gravitational pull.

Where: The ruins of Konoha.

Is this Nagato himself vs Itachi? If it is then Itachi wins because Nagato is in a wheelchair.
Though Nagato himself has the power, he can summon that big thing that can revive people or take their souls, Itachi would just spawn clones of himself while keeping a safe distance from Nagato (who is stationed in a wheelchair so he is less mobile) until he catches Nagato in a genjutsu. Tsukuyomi is instant so there is no defense from that, even if you assume Nagato possesses genjutsu defense which he hasn't showed in manga.

If it's six paths of Pein vs Itachi, with your conditions Itachi may or may not win.
Deva realm can pull Itachi in and then the six paths can gang on him, without Susanoo Itachi can't defend from that. But, if Itachi keeps his distance staying hidden in the rubble, and sends his clones (exploding clone) first, he can damage Peins and then amateratsu them and take them out one by one.

I hate genjutsu okay...

it's theories are unsure...f**k up genjutsu...let's not overestimate it okay...

um...is it nagato or pain?

6 pains VS Itachi,

will surely tremble the earth...

all the evasive running...
all the devastating jutsu, giant fireballs (some destroys the landscape, some sucked by fatso pain),...
all tactical skills used by itachi to match 6 pains teamwork (after he finds out fatso's sucking skill)...
intensive taijutsu...
hopely 1 pain down...
Tsukoyomi to immobilize 2 pain(including the fat one)...
Amaterasu to eliminate 2 other pain,

result :
very "almost dead cuz no chakra left" Itachi
VS
the "exhausted cuz not much chakra left" deva path pain...

FINAL !!!

what's the black thingy that absorbs everything called?

Pain used that, Itachi sucked, KABOOOMMM !!!!!!

He breaks out with the help of Susanoo, resulting many fractured body parts of the Susanoo...

with remaining life left, he hits Deva path with susanoo's sealing sword of totsuka...

Itachi dead...

Pain, dead...

Nagato, sleeps from afar...exhausted...

YEAAAHHHH!!!!!!

ps: Konoha people watching with popcorn and coke...

HELL YEAH !!!!

If its just nagato vs itachi then itachi all the way!!!

Itachi can use kamikaze suiton clones and karu bushins to confuse nagato, draw out shinre tensai then blitz him from behind, no need for the MS at all IMO because itachis a brillant battle tactician!!!

Granted tsukuyomi would oviously defeat nagato because the frog song beat three realms at once and deva did everything he could to stop the frog genjutsu the second time so nagatos obvious weakness should be genjutsu if he has any.

if byakugan cant be affected by genjustu i dont see why rinnegan the strongest of them cant also be immune to genjustu.

if byakugan cant be affected by genjustu i dont see why rinnegan the strongest of them cant also be immune to genjustu.

Pain was caught by a genjutsu!!

oh and why do you think the byakugan cant be affected by genjutsu?

that was a sound genjustu mate,we are talking about eye techs now,byakugan cant be affected by sharingan genjustu as Ao said.

that was a sound genjustu mate,we are talking about eye techs now,byakugan cant be affected by sharingan genjustu as Ao said.

Gimme a chapter and page and I'll believe you, but until I have proof that eye genjutsu doesn't work on byakugon or rinegan I still say Itachi would genjutsu 6 paths/nagato up the butt hole. This ones pretty much Itachi either way.

Gimme a chapter and page and I'll believe you, but until I have proof that eye genjutsu doesn't work on byakugon or rinegan I still say Itachi would genjutsu 6 paths/nagato up the butt hole. This ones pretty much Itachi either way.

I agree to a point, I don't believe that Sasuke's attack vs. Darui for example is impossible vs. a Byakugan user, or the owner of the Rinnengan Nagato. Nagato was kinda weak vs. genjutsu, but not incredibly weak because he took out Ma & Pa Toad right before they did their 'song'. But, but, but, as much as I dig Itachi, because he was ill, he dosen't stand a chance vs. Pein. Pein uses the 6 bodies to destroy and maime and all he's spending at the time is chakra. His physical self is free from harm, while his puppets take the damage. Itachi would have to battle through the weak 5, (an any idiot that says that ANY realm would absorb Amaretsu, I will personally flame you to death) then he's faced with God Realm. God Realms techs are soo huge, and devastating, that Itachi would have to bring Susanoo out way too early, and he wouldn't have the stamina to maintain, or keep up with just God Realm. Additionally while its possible that Itachi could possibly wrap Amaretsu around Susannoo like Sasuke did, the one thing that everybody was shocked about was how much stamina that Sasuke had. Sasuke limit mixed with hate is well above Itachi's thats a manga fact.

Ok so i just finished reading the Naruto vs Pein battle again and after reading the Nagato flashback I think that Pein might actually be able to beat Itachi. Nagato being the leader of akatsuki would know of Itachi's genjutsu techniques and could simply close his rinnegan eyes. He then could use kuchiyose gedou mazou which is an automatic KO on anyone it touches. Now idk maybe Itachi could dodge it but I'm thinking that in an open area like that at least one of the tentacle/dragons/whatevers would touch him and kill him.

Pein was easily the beastliest non-Kage, non-Konoha shinobi in the entire manga.

I am in mobile so
Just copy warbaaz1411.deviantart.com/journal/26764168/? offset=30 And paste it on google
ONLY NUMBERED POINTS FROM ORIGINAL INTERVIEW THAT APPEAR AFTER JIRAYAH DEATH.

the theories mentioned in the whole threads is soo lame and boring...

you guys just predict battles simply...

he uses this
but she have that to counter his jutsu
he's a lame character masashi overpower bla bla bla
he's way faster than her...
no need to use arsenal, the enemy's lame...blablabla...
she's a newb compared to mr. X
he's nothing but some overpowered taijutsu user, bla bla bla...


this thread's made to predicts the battle...
not to turn characters into junk like "he's just another stepping stone/lucky dumbass"...

Lmao arguing Itachi vs. Pain again. Itachi's genjutsu is based on vision while without question the rinnegan is the most powerful eye. Meaning vision based genjutsu wouldn't work on Pain. Sharingan, Byakugan, & Rinnegan all grant some form of chakra sensory. This is why both Itachi & Sasuke are able to tell when they're in an illusion which allows them to easily counter it. When looking at Sasuke vs Itachi Sasuke was able to brake Itachi's hold because of his cs chakra even though he didn't have ms. Now compare that to Pain who has an eye that is superior to pms, factor in his god like chakra levels that pwn eveything short of the nine tails & it's fucking obvious that ms genjutsu wouldn't fucking work.

A NEW FIGHT THAT 100% WILL HAPPEN !!!

KILLERBEE VS KISAME !!!!!!

please predict how the battle will go, with Kisame likely win for the storyline to move on...
And some possibility on Kisame's hidden power that'll be used againts Killa'Bee...

Lmao arguing Itachi vs. Pain again. Itachi's genjutsu is based on vision while without question the rinnegan is the most powerful eye. Meaning vision based genjutsu wouldn't work on Pain. Sharingan, Byakugan, & Rinnegan all grant some form of chakra sensory. This is why both Itachi & Sasuke are able to tell when they're in an illusion which allows them to easily counter it. When looking at Sasuke vs Itachi Sasuke was able to brake Itachi's hold because of his cs chakra even though he didn't have ms. Now compare that to Pain who has an eye that is superior to pms, factor in his god like chakra levels that pwn eveything short of the nine tails & it's fucking obvious that ms genjutsu wouldn't fucking work.

rinnegan>sharingan in general doesnt mean that it is also valid when talking about genjutsu. i have seen nothing that would suggest this

also where did you get that about chakra levels.

and when was the rinnegan compared to PMS

to me it isnt fucking obvious that genjutsu wouldnt work, please elaborate more

Everyone, the Rinnegan allows the user the gravity control, the hell staue and its abilites plus all elements use. However, no specail talent for genjutsu which is why it worked on pain. Now, the Byakugan offer the user an unbelieveable amount of control over his chakra and nervous system which is why genjutsu is useless against a BG user as long as he knows he/she in one.

all u newbs dont' know shit....

genjutsu can't effect the rinnegan WHY because the user has 6 bodies u can't catch all 6 at once which fucking moron said this it has never been done in this anime where a genjutsu was used right away on multiple people... NOT EYE GENJUTSU AT LEAST

by the time someone catches 1 pain in it the other six will raise their chakra level and break it since they all work together or hit the user...

Jiraiya's toad genjutsu isn't like eye genjutsu or anyother genjutsu it doesn't even work the same way...

regular genjutsu and even tsukuyomi control what the user sees feels etc etc the user still has the ability to use his body though..

the frog genjutsu works through sound thus it CANNOT BE BLOCKED or evaded and it paralyzes all your verves bascially you have no control of your body you can't move you can't do shit. thus u can't break out of it since u can form hand seals to raise the chakra flow or disrupt it.

thus when jiraiya caught 3 pains they were fucked neither of them can move or do anything..

other genjutsu doesn't work this way though thats why it wouldn't work on someone like Pain nor can it catch multiple bodies at once since your eyes must be on 1 person to catch him first once thats done the others will fuck your shit up..

its not that genjutsu can't effect pain its more like it won't work on him because of his bodies.. only something like the toad genjutsu would work on him...

Byakugan users can be effected by genjutsu.

rinnegan>sharingan in general doesnt mean that it is also valid when talking about genjutsu. i have seen nothing that would suggest this
Genjutsu based on illusion are visual while rinnegan grants the user chakra sensory abilities using vision419-2 (http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-419/page002.html). All 3 eye types have some form of chakra sensory abilities it's not a hard concept to grasp.

also where did you get that about chakra levels.
Zetsu: No… He didn’t get hit. He Overcame it… 305-14 (http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-388/page014.html)

Zetsu: How could someone with a regular sharingan beat someone with the mangekyou?! The sharingan is just another tool that some ninja can use. A tool is only as powerful as the shinobi who uses it. An Expert with a stone can still beat a novice with a shuriken. All he needs is more skill and more power. So Basically, Itachi underestimated Sasuke’s potential 388-15 (http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-388/page015.html).

Don't you read the manga?

and when was the rinnegan compared to PMS
Jiraiya: Those eyes… of the 3 great eye techniques, they are without question the most powerful… 373-2 (http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-373/page002.html)

Without question as in not up for debate. PMS exsisted before Jiraiya found Nagato. Madara who was one of the founders of Konoha had this eye. Meaning it wasn't a secret which means this statement about Rinnegan relates to even PMS.

to me it isnt fucking obvious that genjutsu wouldnt work, please elaborate more
All 3 eyes grant the user insight on chakra. When a visual genjutsu is used it's done by sending chakra to the users eyes to manipulate what they see & feel. However for people with the ability to see chakra for what it is these types of illusions generally wouldn't work as seen with the Uchiha, Kakashi, & Aio. Tsukuyomi worked on Kakashi because not only does he have a weaker eye but also low chakra levels as well. Pain however has the ultimate eye & an extremely high chakra capacity.

PS: What Jiraiya used was sound based genjutsu not visual. Sound is stated as the most deadly or dangerous types of genjutsu there is (forget the exact wording of it but it was said by Shikamaru back in part 1 during the rescue Sasuke Arc). It also works differently as myth pointed out.

PPS: Ignoring KYF there's no point in arguing with you.

all u newbs dont' know shit....

genjutsu can't effect the rinnegan WHY because the user has 6 bodies u can't catch all 6 at once which fucking moron said this it has never been done in this anime where a genjutsu was used right away on multiple people... NOT EYE GENJUTSU AT LEAST

by the time someone catches 1 pain in it the other six will raise their chakra level and break it since they all work together or hit the user...

Jiraiya's toad genjutsu isn't like eye genjutsu or anyother genjutsu it doesn't even work the same way...

regular genjutsu and even tsukuyomi control what the user sees feels etc etc the user still has the ability to use his body though..

the frog genjutsu works through sound thus it CANNOT BE BLOCKED or evaded and it paralyzes all your verves bascially you have no control of your body you can't move you can't do shit. thus u can't break out of it since u can form hand seals to raise the chakra flow or disrupt it.

thus when jiraiya caught 3 pains they were fucked neither of them can move or do anything..

other genjutsu doesn't work this way though thats why it wouldn't work on someone like Pain nor can it catch multiple bodies at once since your eyes must be on 1 person to catch him first once thats done the others will fuck your shit up..

its not that genjutsu can't effect pain its more like it won't work on him because of his bodies.. only something like the toad genjutsu would work on him...

Byakugan users can be effected by genjutsu.

Dude, all genjutsu work the same way by controling the the opponents chakra at the base of the brain or nervous system. Wether through sound, sight, smell, touch or taste a genjutsu can be cast. Frog genjutsu just has the ability to hit more then one person at a time, other then that its nothing special.

LMAO nothing special? I fear for your sanity KYF. Sound based genjutsu is the most deadly/dangerous this is stated in the manga dude LMAO!!!

LMAO nothing special? I fear for your sanity KYF. Sound based genjutsu is the most deadly/dangerous this is stated in the manga dude LMAO!!!

w/e, it takes 2 frogs alot of time just to paralyse an opponent or two.Meanwhile, sasuke paralysed shi with a regular SG genjutsu in a second.

Shikamaru:Among these senses, the genjutsu dealing with hearing is the worst 214-14 (http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-214/page014.html).

Kisame vs Killerbee


Dude I don't know where that could go, we don't know the extent of either of their powers. If I had to guess I'd say that Kisame would flood the terrain again making it all like an ocean, because 30% filled a desert so I'm sure 100% could fill anywhere to the brim.

Killerbee probably has an aresenal of lightning ninjitsu seeing as his brothers the raikage so he has the elemental advantage over Kisame.

Kisame's chakra lvl vs Killerbee's chakra lvl is iffy but I'd have to go with Killerbee just because of him having the 8-tails. Plus if Kisame creates the ocean I expect him to create that'd take him down at least 10% depending on how humongous his chakra level really is. According to Itachi and others he's basically got the chakra level of a jinchurriki but who knows for sure, that could simply be gossip.

I'd say Kisame makes ocean. Killerbee rushes in with taijutsu powered with lightning element. Kisame makes water clones and the shark things. Killerbee is hit by sharks after taking out the clones. Killerbee takes 8-tails form and goes crazy. Kisame uses whatever special power he has, in this case I'm guessing its some sort of shark summon or possibly the kraken? If it's kraken then theirs a huge brawl between 8-tails and the kraken but in the end Killerbee wins because of the elemental advantage as well as having the chakra of the 8-tails. Killerbee resumes human form and Kisame brawl mono a mono with normal chakra levels.

Idk where to go from their because I don't know either of their arsenals well enough to go on. I can say it'll be very close though.

lmao arguing itachi vs. Pain again. Itachi's genjutsu is based on vision while without question the rinnegan is the most powerful eye. Meaning vision based genjutsu wouldn't work on pain. Sharingan, byakugan, & rinnegan all grant some form of chakra sensory. This is why both itachi & sasuke are able to tell when they're in an illusion which allows them to easily counter it. When looking at sasuke vs itachi sasuke was able to brake itachi's hold because of his cs chakra even though he didn't have ms. Now compare that to pain who has an eye that is superior to pms, factor in his god like chakra levels that pwn eveything short of the nine tails & it's fucking obvious that ms genjutsu wouldn't fucking work.pain fell for genjutsu already and that is his biggest weakness

Yeah, genjutsu dealing with HEARING. Not fucking visual, how hard is that to understand?

Yeah, genjutsu dealing with HEARING. Not fucking visual, how hard is that to understand?

WTF!!! wether through fucking taste, what does it matter!!! if itachi farted and pain smelled it, falling into a deep genjutsu, it would do the same thing "create a fucking illusion" as if itachi sung to pain so enough already!

frog song takes two frog, assload of chakra and an assload of time to do the same thing sasuke did in a second to shi, but with more then one person.

You're a fucking idiot, Veng posted the damn link to Shikamaru saying "genjutsu dealing with hearing is the worst" meaning it has the greatest effect ON SOMEONE! Pain cannot be gotten through visual genjutsu, get your dick out of your ass and quit acting stupid KYF holy fuck.

Whoever said it took an assload of chakra?? That's pure bullshit right there.

You're a fucking idiot, Veng posted the damn link to Shikamaru saying "genjutsu dealing with hearing is the worst" meaning it has the greatest effect ON SOMEONE! Pain cannot be gotten through visual genjutsu, get your dick out of your ass and quit acting stupid KYF holy fuck.

Whoever said it took an assload of chakra?? That's pure bullshit right there.

Shika said it was the worst because she could hide and use her genjutsu, not because it was more powerful lol. Read the damn link before running ur mouth, geeez!
And yes pain can be beaten through visual genjutsu seeing as how there six times more eyes to catch with genjutsu lol. The only thing is itachi can only use genjutsu on one person at a time which wouldnt work against pain, but with 5 karasu bushins he could rape each realm at once because karasu bushin are like kage bushins being 100% copies.


Here they are building chakra which took some time because they were there for a while not helping naruto until God realm killed pa.
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-435/page002.html

Also, chill out man, damn:(

I read the link, he said it was the worst, meaning its the most effective. I'm not going to continue to sit here and to post for post about it. Pain would utterly destroy sasuke and itachi. He has the superior doujutsu and that's the end of it. He was caught in genjutsu ONCE and that was dealing with hearing, which is the WORST out of all of them.

I read the link, he said it was the worst, meaning its the most effective. I'm not going to continue to sit here and to post for post about it. Pain would utterly destroy sasuke and itachi. He has the superior doujutsu and that's the end of it. He was caught in genjutsu ONCE and that was dealing with hearing, which is the WORST out of all of them.

Dude, come on!!! Did u bother to understand the context of the statement by reading the rest of the chapter?? I guess not because he said it was the worst because the user can hide and use genjutsu. So, sound genjutsu may be the easiest way to catch someone, but the way u cacth someone has no bearing on its power to create illusion, ect ect.

Pain would destroy anything, he would either win or actully lose because hes just a super powered shinobi with average intellect.

Genjutsu based on illusion are visual while rinnegan grants the user chakra sensory abilities using vision419-2 (http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-419/page002.html). All 3 eye types have some form of chakra sensory abilities it's not a hard concept to grasp.

wtf does that have to do with what u quoted? byakugan has better chakra sensing than the sharingan so does that make you think that it is better genjutsu wise

Zetsu: No… He didn’t get hit. He Overcame it… 305-14 (http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-388/page014.html)

Zetsu: How could someone with a regular sharingan beat someone with the mangekyou?! The sharingan is just another tool that some ninja can use. A tool is only as powerful as the shinobi who uses it. An Expert with a stone can still beat a novice with a shuriken. All he needs is more skill and more power. So Basically, Itachi underestimated Sasuke’s potential 388-15 (http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-388/page015.html).

Don't you read the manga?
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/100/03/

kiba (thinking): Farts aren't gonna help you against this opponent
He has the "opening points".
Dont you read the manga?

again, wtf does that have to do with pains chakra levels.

i can understand that you understood it differently, ex. like i was asking how can high chakra levels be of use vs genjutsu, but still..

wtf does that have to do with it?

Jiraiya: Those eyes… of the 3 great eye techniques, they are without question the most powerful… 373-2 (http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-373/page002.html)

Without question as in not up for debate. PMS exsisted before Jiraiya found Nagato. Madara who was one of the founders of Konoha had this eye. Meaning it wasn't a secret which means this statement about Rinnegan relates to even PMS.

I dont think youre an idiot, but do you really think that pms wasn't a secret? ROFLMAO i think it was a big secret, that almost nobody knew about

but still, im not saying that pms > rinnegan (and im not saying that pms<rinnegan) im just saying that there was no direct comparison in the manga (i dont believe j-man was talking about pms at all (i doubt he had MS in mind as well)

All 3 eyes grant the user insight on chakra. When a visual genjutsu is used it's done by sending chakra to the users eyes to manipulate what they see & feel. However for people with the ability to see chakra for what it is these types of illusions generally wouldn't work as seen with the Uchiha, Kakashi, & Aio. Tsukuyomi worked on Kakashi because not only does he have a weaker eye but also low chakra levels as well. Pain however has the ultimate eye & an extremely high chakra capacity.

what about sasuke vs itachi hah? sasuke was caught in genjutsu. he got out, but that is not solely because of his eye tech. dont have time to find a manga quote so expect an edit on this part for further arguments

PS: What Jiraiya used was sound based genjutsu not visual. Sound is stated as the most deadly or dangerous types of genjutsu there is (forget the exact wording of it but it was said by Shikamaru back in part 1 during the rescue Sasuke Arc). It also works differently as myth pointed out.

why do you think it is the most deadly? because it is the hardest to avoid! and we saw in the sasuke vs itachi fight and the itachi vs kakashi fight that sharingan users can be under genjutsu. oh even itachi was caught under genjutsu vs kurenai (of course he overcame it easily and used it against her but still, he was momentarily caught, but he was able to overcome it do to his ability in genjutsu)


i didnt come into this trying to argue about itachi putting pain under genjutsu, merely to argue against your arguments but you dragged me in so here is my conclusion:

there are two ways of countering genjutsu:

the first is avoinding being caught at all. this is what makes sound so dangerous as it is the hardest to avoid.

the second is to overcome it: from what i have seen so far there are two methods for it:
1. disrupting your chakra which anybody can do
2. using your own genjutsu ability in some way - sasuke and itachi did this

I think that we have not seen that pain or nagato possess any genjutsu ability, so he would have to use the first method, by disrupting his chakra. I do believe that one of the main advantages (out of the basic shinobi skills) that the rinnegan gives its user is probably the best chakra control in the narutoverse (this is my opinion, i think this can explain the elemental abilities and the stamina - which for me is more to do perfect chakra control than unbelievable chakra even though pain has a lot of chakra). So of course nagato/pain could get out of most genjutsus easily, but this is itachi we are talking about, and i dont think that, if caught, pain could counter tsukuyomi.

i had more to write but i have to go, so ill leave it at that

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What's a karasu bushin? i mean yeah its like kage bushins but this is the first time i heared this teqnique...i cant remmember itachi using this teqnique...

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What's a karasu bushin? i mean yeah its like kage bushins but this is the first time i heared this teqnique...i cant remmember itachi using this teqnique...

It's a clone made out of crows, you see it when he used it against Naruto and later against Sasuke. But I'm not sure if it's just a genjutsu (illusion) or an actual ninjutsu (real thing).

Why would Pain be immune to visual genjutsu, please? Proof?

Also, Kisame wins vs Killer Bee.

I can't wait for him to release his Samehada http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/moondo1ao2.gif


Edit: Also, lololol @ Myth. Every genjutsu has the same effect - it attack the five senses. Sound genjutsu is the best simply because there is no avoiding sound. You can avoid looking Itachi in the eyes, but you can't avoid hearing the Frog Song unless you destroy your eardrums or something. That is the sole reason why it is superior.

Jesus fuck use your brain guys.

I fail to see how Itachi could defeat Nagato... Itachi was the #3 in 'Akatsuki', while Nagato was Madara's captain. He restrained the Kyuubi to the 8-tails stage and was able to kill Jiraiya and take on the entirety of Konoha and Sage Mode Naruto. Itachi killed the entire Uchiha clan WITH the help of Madara and nearly killed Sasuke. Can you even compare these??

The only possible way Itachi could win is if he used Susanno and slashed Nagato himself with the sword, but he wouldn't be able to find him without some means of detection. So in other words, Nagato rapes him sideways as he would nearly anyone in this manga.

^Itachi looses to 6 Paths unless he kills them all with Susano-O. And because the jutsu is ridiculous, I mostly count it out in a VS. So Itachi would most likely loose to 6 Paths.

that was a sound genjustu mate,we are talking about eye techs now,byakugan cant be affected by sharingan genjustu as Ao said.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/459/15/

Lol, one of the most powerful eye jutsus did nothing to a fake hyuuga with one so Im sure a real hyuuga could break any genjutsu with theyre ability to read chakra and increase theyre nervous system through chakra or w/e.

New fight! Animal realm vs kakashi, in down town konaha!

Dude, all genjutsu work the same way by controling the the opponents chakra at the base of the brain or nervous system. Wether through sound, sight, smell, touch or taste a genjutsu can be cast. Frog genjutsu just has the ability to hit more then one person at a time, other then that its nothing special.

You're making a mistake honestly KYF you should always check around the chapters before posting dude it'll help you a lot not being a dick just saying.

every other genjutsu still allows you to have control of your body like you can move around or w/e ..

Frog genjutsu paralyzes you fully in short you can't move u can't flick your hand fingers or anything you're completely fucked.. which is why the 3 bodies couldn't break it frog genjutsu CANNOT BE BROKEN..

Since you lose all your ability to your body your body is in no longer your control your eyes can't move you can't do anything..

It's the deadliest genjutsu in this manga which is why it doesn't belong to a human but rather a combined effort of 2 sages.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/459/15/

seeing through an illusion on somebody else is not the same as being immune to it personally.

it is a piece of cake to use the byakugan to see if somebody else is under an illusion , even obito did it (with a lil assistance from kakashi)
with the sharingan after just activating it.
Lol, one of the most powerful eye jutsus did nothing to a fake hyuuga with one so Im sure a real hyuuga could break any genjutsu with theyre ability to read chakra and increase theyre nervous system through chakra or w/e. if im not mistaken danzo didnt use it on ao, oh and dont forget in your terms danzo is a fake uchiha, so they are both fakes so its not the same as what you portrayed it to be

Naruto vs Raikage

any conditions (for naruto, and does the raikage have both arms :P)?

Naruto vs Raikage

Probably Naruto. If Naruto manages to hold the Raikage enough to go SM, then Naruto will probably win.

The disadvantages for Naruto are that he needs to get into SM, and that he can't dodge as good as Sasuke could because he has no Sharingan. Raikage is also faster. On the other hand, Raikage won't be able to throw Naruto left and right as he did with Sasuke since Naruto is fuckload stronger then Sasuke is.

If Naruto goes FRS, then it's his mistake, since Rikage will dodge it. If he hits Raikage with one big Rasengan, it's all over. Raikage is fast, and could easily dodge one, or two. But with Naruto having three clones, I don't see Raikage dodging them all.

So I say Naruto.

any conditions (for naruto, and does the raikage have both arms :P)?

as the characters are now(except yeah, the raikage has both arms)

Are yall sure because I swore 2 KBs in SM was narutos limit? And thats all I can remember him summoning duing the pain fight at once too.

Oh well!

Raikage vs Naruto?

Lol, what do u think will happen. Naruto will work real hard to get into SM and after spending a good bit of chakra to hold the raikage off he'll do it. Then he will land a good hard attack on raikage which will force the raikage to have to go into super mode which he will then use to rape SM naruto because naruto doesnt have any way to defend himself once rais at full speed.

Rai wins unless naruto PNJs a FTG out of nowhere.

Are yall sure because I swore 2 KBs in SM was narutos limit? And thats all I can remember him summoning duing the pain fight at once too.

Oh well!

Raikage vs Naruto?

Lol, what do u think will happen. Naruto will work real hard to get into SM and after spending a good bit of chakra to hold the raikage off he'll do it. Then he will land a good hard attack on raikage which will force the raikage to have to go into super mode which he will then use to rape SM naruto because naruto doesnt have any way to defend himself once rais at full speed.

Rai wins unless naruto PNJs a FTG out of nowhere.

Or he can summon a frog using absolutely almost NO CHAKRA cause his supply is so high.. that will stall the raikage for a few seconds while naruto charges into SM..

then by outsmarting the dumbass that charges into amaterasu he'll floor him...

did i mention he can summons fukasaku or shima thus summoning even more frogs at once and fucking the raikage even more...

yep like shrike stated when naruto hits SM he'd win...

LMAO, yea u keep believing rais a dumb ass and that he;d just accidently not use his super pseed to dodge and blitz naruto lmao!

Seriously now, how is this even debateable? Naruto would never be able to lnad a rasengan, FR or FRS on rai with his peed. Even if naruto unched rai in SM, rai would just get back up because hes covereed inr aiton and super strong too lol.

SM naruto vs super mode rai isnt even a match, its a massacre!!! Rai would just blitz around picking SM naruto apart because SM naruto cant even see rai when he attacks lol. And since rai attacks with raiton armor, it would take only one raiton puch to the face, chest ect and its over for SM naruto.

Lol, how could naruto even beat someone he cant even see, land an attack on or defend against without sasanoo or a barrier of some sort?

ZOMG Raikage pwnz all yo with his super duper uber poper speed he's faster than light & can travel through time. What's that? Why was Suigetsu & Juugo able to block his attacks & why was Sasuke able to dodge & counter attacks? It's because Raikage did it for the LOLZ fool he's so fucking uber he'd kick Sasuke's arse with no legs & only 1 arm because he's just that sick in combat yo! Don't let me start with his 2000 jutsu list that surpasses Madara/Minato/Hashirama/Sarutobi/Kakashi, his instant regeneration, & his intelligence that surpasses Shikamaru! Raikage is the fucking uber if all else fails he'll summon the rainbow dragon which pwnz all!!!

^lol, talking shit about a combo attack between rai and darui which is why juugo and suigetsu could keep up. Yet u didnt meantion how when rai attacked alone he blitzed C2 juugo who would be faster the C1 lol. And that sasukes already really fast (god like speed as stated by kishi). SO yea, talk ur shit because rai would waste naruto in super mode.

^lol, talking shit about a combo attack between rai and darui which is why juugo and suigetsu could keep up. Yet u didnt meantion how when rai attacked alone he blitzed C2 juugo who would be faster the C1 lol. And that sasukes already really fast (god like speed as stated by kishi). SO yea, talk ur shit because rai would waste naruto in super mode.
I did mention Juugo you fool. Juugo blocked the attack pay attention to the fucking manga.

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-462/page001.html

See moron Juugo was able to block so STFU. When Raikage caught Sasuke he wasn't even fucking moving around he just stood there & countered with Amaterasu. When Sasuke was moving around he was able to dodge Raikages attack. The reason why Sasuke wasn't moving is because he was protected by Susano'o & needed to gauge Raikage's speed to connect with Amaterasu which he did.

LMAO, yea u keep believing rais a dumb ass and that he;d just accidently not use his super pseed to dodge and blitz naruto lmao!

Yeah like he accidentally hit amaterasu or how he accidentally was trying to jump on it, yeah raikage is def brains on a stick..

its not debatable you're right because everyone except you says naruto beats him..

i say raikage probably wins, it easily go both ways. its like a football match between, hmm arsenal and everton. arsenal will win most of the time (raikage in my opinion) but it wouldn't be that big of a surprise if everton won (naruto)


raikage is faster.
and imho stonger
there isn't a big difference in stamina
and i believe that raikage might even take a hit better than naruto, however i do believe its close.
raikages defense imo is better than narutos when it comes to ninjutsu (however naruto doesn't really use it so for their battle it wouldn't really battle)
we dont know if the raikage has summons, i think he probably does (he is a kage after all, but still that doesnt mean he has to have it) so saying that naruto could just summon and take his time is too presumptuous imho

i think narutos only way (by far the most probable way he could achieve victory) is through frs. however it would be extremely difficult for him to land it cause naruto needs time to make it and of how raikage avoided amaterasu which, i think everybody can agree upon, is way harder to avoid than amateratsu.

of course kyuubi could probably do the trick, but im not quite sure about that. i have the feeling that it was implied (i may be wrong) that raikage could hold his stand vs KB in 8 tails or something like that so i think he has a way to deal with tailed beasts.

we dont know nearly as much about the raikage as we do about naruto (and i have seen a trend here that people more likely opt for ninjas we know more about)

whenever i talk about naruto fighting here i always exclude plot no jutsu which is present in (almost) all of his battles in the manga

need to go now, would hav e written more

New fight! Animal realm vs kakashi, in down town konaha!

I remember having an argument about this fight, Kakashi could win. Animal realm is a one trick pony and to Kakashi that is like a walk in the park. All he has to do is avoid the summons and get to the animal realm quickly.
Animal realm is actually stronger when he is fighting alone coz he summons a lot, when he is in a group he doesn't spam the summons probably because he doesn't want to get in the way of the other bodies. In any case, Kakashi could play some guerrilla, summon a water clone as a distraction and hide in the rubble, get on top of the giant summon and charge at the animal realm. Animal realm has no jutsus other than summoning so once Kakashi closes in on him the fight is over.

Naruto vs Raikage

Raikage could win, or Naruto could win, it depends on the scenario.

The scenario for Raikage winning is simple, Raikage goes supercharged, Naruto can't follow his movements and Raikage punches Naruto hard enough to kill him.

Scenario for Naruto is Naruto goes SM, makes a couple of clones just before Raikage closes in on him, Raikage breaks the clones and creates smoke that blinds him momentarily, Naruto gets him with rasengan.

The other scenario is, Naruto realizes that his eyes can't keep up with raikage on the short distance, so Naruto jumps really high so he can watch raikage from a greater distance, that way he could observe raikage's movement better, but he would be too far to attack him.

so many morons on this forum it ain't even funny its pathetic to read their posts complete bullshit no sense no facts no nothing...

this is why i stay from this thread because its infested with fucking idiots...

so many morons on this forum it ain't even funny its pathetic to read their posts complete bullshit no sense no facts no nothing...


Fact is...
Raikage is so fast that sharingan can't track him (once he increases his raiton armor).
So that would logically imply Naruto won't be able to see him as well.

But you say Naruto can just track him by sensing him. Now, that is not a fact.
In fact, that is something you made up. Naruto can sense chakra, but nothing implies he can break and slow down movement like sharingan can just by chakra sensing. Or is there something like that in manga?
No, there isn't.

so many morons on this forum it ain't even funny its pathetic to read their posts complete bullshit no sense no facts no nothing...

this is why i stay from this thread because its infested with fucking idiots...

is this a fact :P

so many morons on this forum it ain't even funny its pathetic to read their posts complete bullshit no sense no facts no nothing...

this is why i stay from this thread because its infested with fucking idiots...

I wouldn't say morons just lonely nerds trying to prove they're manga smartness i guess. They can't do anything phsyical, or social, so they say hey let me use my intelligence, which boils down to just knowing more fun facts then the next guy. Or, people stopped taking they're placebos

Naruto would steamroll the Raikage.

It doesn't matter.

Base Naruto
Kyuubi Naruto
Sage Naruto
Kyuubi Sage Naruto

^All four would stomp the shit out of this guy.

Base Naruto has more chakra to work with. He can use his shadow clones to throw off the Raikage and not to mention they can use Rasengan and FRS as well.

Shadow clones using Rasengan - Sage Mode against Pain's summons. On Madara in the forest and Madara surprising Naruto.

Shadow clones using FRS - To deceive Kakuzu

Naruto could create 2000 Shadow clones. Raikage goes charging through it all Zangeif style and end up getting faceplanted by a wind Rasengan.

The Fuuton Rasenshuriken is strong enough to kill the Raikage.

The Non-throwable could destroy him on a celluar level and the throwable would erase him completely.

Q: But what about Raiger bomb or the Karate chop?
A: The Kyuubi will interfere when Naruto is about to die. The fox has good senses as well.

Q: What if Raikage has a Fuuin jutsu and can seal Kyuubi
A: He can seal Kyuubi. But Naruto rarely uses the Kyuubi so he still would get his ass kicked.

Q: What if Raikage refrain Naruto from using the Kyuubi and then he uses Raiger bomb
A: Good question. Naruto can use Kage bunshins to save him. At that split second he can make that one seal before being slammed into the earth.

Q: How can FRS or Rasengan hit the Raikage?
A: The Raikage uses a lot of taijutsu from what we seen so far. He can be tricked and that split second Naruto can create a diversion for him to be hit by it.

Q: Why is KYF in denial?
A: He loves Sasuke more than his mommy.

I'll take all of those outside of base naruto. I'm not too bought on the fact that Naruto can beat Raichu with just his base form.

I just had to post this in the vs thread too :) (I hope people don't mind this)
This way morons can see an easy way Naruto can defeat Raikage. And it's with techniques we've all seen already.

Naruto vs Raikage:
1. Naruto summons Hiro,(the frog with two swords) Ma and Pa;
2. Ma and Pa start preparing for the song genjutsu;
3. Raikage doesn't know what they're doing and concentrates on Naruto and the big ass summon;
4. Hiro uses Sage Tech Dust Cloud;
5. Raikage is not a sensor type Naruto is, and the dust cloud was effective enough to cut the rinnegan's connection, I think it's enough to confuse Raikage;
6. Naruto uses Rasen Shuriken to attack;
7. Raikage notices the attack just in time to evade it;
8. Ma and Pa finish their preparations and start the genjutsu;
9. At this point Raikage doesn't know what's happening because of the confusion, the dust cloud and Naruto;
10. Raikage is caught in genjutsu.
THE END

God damn naruttards are reaking havoc because theyre stupid hero cant beat everyone lol.

For the love of god, narutos too slow to compete with rai at full power or just regular raiton armor so get over it.

And veng, Ur blind as a bat. Juugo obviously got blitzed then morphed his skin to help shield the last split second lol. Juugo didnt block shit, he just morphed his body last second nothing more. Just get over it, rai in regular raiton armor is freaking fast like sasuke and itachi. But, when he goes full power hes rediculous fast lol so quit whinning about this naruto vs rai fight because narutos too slow to compete, plain and simple.

God damn naruttards are reaking havoc because theyre stupid hero cant beat everyone lol.

For the love of god, narutos too slow to compete with rai at full power or just regular raiton armor so get over it.

And veng, Ur blind as a bat. Juugo obviously got blitzed then morphed his skin to help shield the last split second lol. Juugo didnt block shit, he just morphed his body last second nothing more. Just get over it, rai in regular raiton armor is freaking fast like sasuke and itachi. But, when he goes full power hes rediculous fast lol so quit whinning about this naruto vs rai fight because narutos too slow to compete, plain and simple.

shut the hell up, you are ridiculous. you have no proof that rai could do anything to naruto, your telling me that rai can beat pain or or even jyria? because naruto has surpassed both of them, and he could sure as hell beat rai. you are in denial and i guess its not enough for you to be hated in real life, youve got to go and get hated on the internet

imagine myth is naruto and KYF is rai.


kyf just got killed for being an ignorant block head and not thinking straight

which is too my final point

KYF and rai are very similiar...they both dont know how to use thier brain.

God damn naruttards are reaking havoc because theyre stupid hero cant beat everyone lol.

For the love of god, narutos too slow to compete with rai at full power or just regular raiton armor so get over it..

I love Naruto but he can't beat Rai i'm sorry but if the SHaringan can't keep up then Naruto DEFINATELY can't keep up. Now can Naruto still win, mabeh, and that's a huge MABEH. But i doubt they will ever fight.

Naruto would steamroll the Raikage.

It doesn't matter.

Base Naruto
Kyuubi Naruto
Sage Naruto
Kyuubi Sage Naruto

^All four would stomp the shit out of this guy.

u sure?

Base Naruto has more chakra to work with. He can use his shadow clones to throw off the Raikage and not to mention they can use Rasengan and FRS as well.
r u sure he has more chakra? raikage has BIJUU LEVEL chakra

Shadow clones using Rasengan - Sage Mode against Pain's summons. On Madara in the forest and Madara surprising Naruto.

Shadow clones using FRS - To deceive Kakuzu
you forgot to mention narutos fart vs kiba because he knew his senses were heightened

WTFdoes this have to do with raikage vs naruto



Naruto could create 2000 Shadow clones. Raikage goes charging through it all Zangeif style and end up getting faceplanted by a wind Rasengan.


2000 shadow clones? they would be fodder for raikage and
naruto only use FRS in sage mode, the throwable one only.

oh and about the raikage charging read the end of this post

The Fuuton Rasenshuriken is strong enough to kill the Raikage.
of course, but he still has to make it hit

The Non-throwable could destroy him on a celluar level and the throwable would erase him completely.
so what? raiger bomb could easily destroy naruto
Q: But what about Raiger bomb or the Karate chop?
A: The Kyuubi will interfere when Naruto is about to die. The fox has good senses as well.
so that means that naruto is invincible becuase he has th kyuubi? i agree, we never saw him lose a single battle in the whole manga.

Q: What if Raikage has a Fuuin jutsu and can seal Kyuubi
A: He can seal Kyuubi. But Naruto rarely uses the Kyuubi so he still would get his ass kicked.
Q: What if Raikage refrain Naruto from using the Kyuubi and then he uses Raiger bomb
A: Good question. Naruto can use Kage bunshins to save him. At that split second he can make that one seal before being slammed into the earth.

Q: How can FRS or Rasengan hit the Raikage?
A: The Raikage uses a lot of taijutsu from what we seen so far. He can be tricked and that split second Naruto can create a diversion for him to be hit by it.

Q: Why is KYF in denial?
A: He loves Sasuke more than his mommy.


your logic is to linear and presumptuous

i bet you expect every chess game to end in a fools mate :P :P

Ummm so in your mind sasuke and itachi are leagues ahead of rock lee in speed? because you compare rai's speed to theirs... why not compare sasukes speed to rock lees... what im getting at is that it makes no sense because in naruto and sasukes last fight naruto matched sasuke... no beat sasuke in speed did sasuke improve that much in speed? No... also itachi was more of a fast sealer than a fast mover... but in reality he had the same sealing speed as kakashi, who just might be slower than sage mode naruto... also all of narutos 3 jutsu require like one handseal lol so speed really doesn't even matter that much cause if your too slow to form one seal before rai hits you than you dont belong in the same catergory as him...

Ummm so in your mind sasuke and itachi are leagues ahead of rock lee in speed? because you compare rai's speed to theirs... why not compare sasukes speed to rock lees... what im getting at is that it makes no sense because in naruto and sasukes last fight naruto matched sasuke... no beat sasuke in speed did sasuke improve that much in speed? No... also itachi was more of a fast sealer than a fast mover... but in reality he had the same sealing speed as kakashi, who just might be slower than sage mode naruto... also all of narutos 3 jutsu require like one handseal lol so speed really doesn't even matter that much cause if your too slow to form one seal before rai hits you than you dont belong in the same catergory as him...

Really doesnt make since your trying to make a point that's not there they're comparing saskukes speed to rai cause he JUST FOUGHT RAI, god then you bring up rock lee that makes you sound crazy speed does matter, i shouldn't have to explain, and yes sasuke did get faster, WAAY Faster but so did naruto and its hard to compare em when they havne't really fought yet.

[QUOTE]shut the hell up, you are ridiculous. you have no proof that rai could do anything to naruto, your telling me that rai can beat pain or or even jyria? because naruto has surpassed both of them, and he could sure as hell beat rai. you are in denial and i guess its not enough for you to be hated in real life, youve got to go and get hated on the internet

Oh Im sorry, all thos epaint chips u ate must be making u retarted which is why u say theres no proof ria could do anything to naruto when his entire fight with sasuke is more then enough proof to see naruto couldnt possibly compete with rai without the FTG or sasanoo.

And Since ur saying naruto has surpassed pain which is total bullshit, I now know u really are Nuttier then squirrle tirds, lol, and theres no need to argue with the mentally handicap.

imagine myth is naruto and KYF is rai.

Myth would get pwned in a split second, flat lol!


kyf just got killed for being an ignorant block head and not thinking straight

Yea, I wouldnt sit still like an idiot. Lol, I know who u are. Ur the kid that petted Bryan too hard and got bit on family guy. Ha haaaaaaaaa!

which is too my final point

KYF and rai are very similiar...they both dont know how to use thier brain.

Oh hooooo, good one. I guess since naruto cant beat everyone ur gonna just insult me because thats what u do isnt it, Mice of men!?!

r u sure he has more chakra? raikage has BIJUU LEVEL chakra


so does naruto because, suprise, he is actually a legit bijuu! sorry to ruin it for you.

raikage would not own naruto.... naruto would not own raikage

it would be a good fight. if all raikage has ar physical jutsu he will lose. if he ends up having some mega jutsu's then it could go either way.

of course if they ever fought in the manga naruto would win.... narutos not gonna get beat in the manga now.

Ahhh thats gay as shit. No more naruto can beat someone because hes naruto the lead character because PNJ wins dont count including pain lol.

Now, Ill explain this in here as well. So, plain and simple SM naruto is no faster then kakashi who even with a SG couldnt track all of itachis movements because he was so fast. And just like itachi sasuke also moves at such speed (godlike as put by kishi) which was shown when he was able to actullay see, aviod and counter rais elbow attack, blitz itachis krasu bushin, deidara ect.

Now, at this level speed without a SG SM naruto will have alot trouble trying to follow, defend himself and attack even with three other clones. However, as fast as sasuke and itachi are, the raikage is a whole level beyond those two. SO fast the SG cant follow, so fast amaterasu cant touch him and the amaterasu was dubbed an unavoidable attack which rai proved wrong.

So, SM naruto with his kakashi steps into a fight with a guy surpassing sasuke and itachis speeds lol. SM naruto with three clones wont be able to even see rais movements which mean he wont be able to defend himself. Lol, and since SM naruto only has kakashi level speed then his attacks will be far too slow to hit rai with his reflexes so maybe now yall can start to phathom why SM naruto just cant beat the raikage without the FTG.

Same thing I keep saying, if Naruto had actually lost like you people claim he would have had his bijuu extracted and would've been killed. He gave Pain a rasengan in his pancreas, he beat him, end of discussion. I lol everytime kyf says SM Naruto isn't faster than Kakashi. True lolz right there.

Ahhh thats gay as shit. No more naruto can beat someone because hes naruto the lead character because PNJ wins dont count including pain lol.

Now, Ill explain this in here as well. So, plain and simple SM naruto is no faster then kakashi who even with a SG couldnt track all of itachis movements because he was so fast. And just like itachi sasuke also moves at such speed (godlike as put by kishi) which was shown when he was able to actullay see, aviod and counter rais elbow attack, blitz itachis krasu bushin, deidara ect.

Now, at this level speed without a SG SM naruto will have alot trouble trying to follow, defend himself and attack even with three other clones. However, as fast as sasuke and itachi are, the raikage is a whole level beyond those two. SO fast the SG cant follow, so fast amaterasu cant touch him and the amaterasu was dubbed an unavoidable attack which rai proved wrong.

So, SM naruto with his kakashi steps into a fight with a guy surpassing sasuke and itachis speeds lol. SM naruto with three clones wont be able to even see rais movements which mean he wont be able to defend himself. Lol, and since SM naruto only has kakashi level speed then his attacks will be far too slow to hit rai with his reflexes so maybe now yall can start to phathom why SM naruto just cant beat the raikage without the FTG.


i understand wut the others are saying.....you are retarded... and its your bias toward things you like that make you sound this way.


raikages physical speed is different from his reflexive speed. physical speed being how long it actually takes your body to move after it begins moving. reflexive speed being how long it takes for you to start moving once you recognize the need to move. understand that first.

raikage uses his raiton armor..... which allows his body to start moving quicker once he recognizes the need to move. it does not actually make him faster, just appear to be faster.


when was SM naruto's speed ever compared to kakashi's speed. kakashi's quick but i doubt he's sage mode quick. sm naruto hasn't really been complimented on speed tho.

sasuke seems quick but what has he really done that has shown his uber quickness. dodging the raikages elbow, not really an impressive feat. the sharingan cant' follow raikage for one reason. the sharingan predicts movements by watching the slight tension of the opponents muscles. (lets say if your gonna move your leg, you'll see tensions in your thigh and calf muscles) but with the raiton armor all his muscles are always moving so there is no way of telling where he will move next.

thats why the sharingan cant keep up with raikage. not because raikage is SO fast. granted that he still moves quick, just not uber quick. and about sasuke dodging that elbow. he dodged it because it was a direct straight forward attack. meaning it didn't come at an angle, there was no tricky movement. raikage came at him head on with an elbow.

the only thing itachi was commented on more than once was his ability to form seals at incredible speeds. not that he himself was fast. with his genjutsu he probably did need to be that quick. but im sure his speed is still way up there... it is itachi.

sasuke isn't that fast...killerbee owned him in speed and he wasnt even using his bijuu. he dealt sasuke a fatal blow. sasuke only dodged killerbees straight forward attacks.

Kyf is the clown of NBL we all know this, in every thread he's the only 1 stating some stupid shit way past the point of the debate after everyone agrees one 1 point and gives facts and panel from the manga.. he just keeps posting as if anyone truly gives a shit...

And he always thinks he's right thats the sad part, also he claims to always back himself up from the manga yet he never posts any links to anything and when he does its always irrelevant and makes no sense at all..

When's he gonna get it that nobody wants him here nobody likes him, I may be a dick true and i may insult members also true but 1 thing i can say is that Im always never wrong there are times i fuck up but majority of the time im always accurate... Kyf also has a habit of using comebacks and lines i've already used he somehow thinks its funnier if he writes it when in reality its just stupid and shows lack of creativity..

With that said since we all seem to agree that Raikage is a newb shit and naruto owns him like sasuke owns KYF...

New fight...

Kyf's awesome intelligence vs Shikamaru in a battle of wits..

KYF can use any and all rants he wants and shika can just use his brain as he always does,,

shikamaru, will lose this one..badly. one mega troll jutsu from kyf and shikamaru will surely fall for it like most of us here do. i give kyf the heavy advantage, kyf 8-2 shikamaru. shikamaru has 2 in 10 chances because he has that shadow bind jutsu which kyf doesnt have, and shika can play shogi like a general which i believe kyf doesnt know how to plaay.

KYF vs Shikamaru, interesting...

KYF: Shikamaru, u suck! Ur not Sasuke, so u suck!
Shikamaru: For the love of... hey, KYF, what's the square root of 1?
KYF: Hummm... I don't know... let me think...
Shikamaru: (performs Kagemane no Jutsu) Kagemane no Jutsu successful!
KYF: Hey, u maybe have teh advantage, but I'll win!!
Shikamaru: What is the colour of the white horse of Napoleon?
KYF: That's a tough one, hummm...
Shikamaru: (grabs a kunai with a explosive tag) Think fast!
KYF: Ur an idiot, I'll just do the same! ROFL! (sees that he doesn't have any kunai on his hand) I'm invincible!!!111oneoneeleven!!! (KYF explodes into pieces)
Shikamaru: You're a loony.

KYF is an easy target.

ENOUGH!!!! Naruto is the master of the Shadow Clone, and Mass Shadow Clone, you don't need speed when you have multiple bodies. From there Sage Mode with one of the clones OKAY. Raichu still has to slow down or stop to hit a clone, Fuuton Rasengan. Raichus fucked up OKAY??!!! Naruto at 4 tails is just as fast or faster than Raichu, there are so many other reasons why Naruto can beat Meathead, hell Sasuke almost turned him into a nub human.

Unlike Minato raikages speed goes nowhere that's why he fucking fails.

MINATO vs NARUTO
both are fully powered

MINATO vs NARUTO
both are fully powered

Minato tags naruto and wins...

MINATO vs NARUTO
both are fully powered

Define "fully powered". We never knew Minato's true skill level so you can't gauge something like that effectively.

the question is...
Which one of you narutards wrote this?

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/11/8/633617805863091286-narutards.jpg

^ LOL !!!

Fully Powered Minato & Naruto?

you mean minato vs
the "indestructible,can't be stabbed by sharp things,can't get hurt,can't get burned, can't have his head chopped of like hidan,can't feel anything from a rasengan,can't feel any pain" Sage mode Naruto?

Naruto just have to sit and collect Natural chakra, then go to sleep, over and over again, Minato won't be able to do anything...

it'll end up in a draw though, if Minato sends one of his special kunai to Hawaii using any delivery services like Fed-ex or anything, so he could flee from Naruto...

Tsuchikage+Raikage Vs. Mitsukage+Kazekage who would win?

Destructo cube and Raiton shroud > acid spit/lave pooping and auto-sand.

Raikage and the midget had the superiro Hax.

Minato vs Naruto... Naruto wins coz Kyubi won't let him die.

Awww...

nice kage fight...

and it's a nice thing that Kishi showed that Gaara is "not so useless" between the kages...

as shown he stopped raikage's finishing move the guillotine drop with his sand...

hmm...

I think Gaara's sand could defend most of other kage's attacks too...He even defended himself from amaterasu...at least he deserves to be a "kage"

But Tsuchikage and Raikage will win I think...Since experience counts...

It'll be damn cool...

too bad the other kages have only shown some from the hundreds skills they have...

Tsunade vs Lee ( current )

Restrictions: No Katsuyo
distance: 40 meters
State of mind: BL
Location: Sanin battle field

scenario 1: Lee starts at base

scenario 2: Lee starts with weights off

Dagoro, are you even serious ? Or just plain bored ?

Lol, who do you think would win ?

tsuchi+raika vs kaze+mizu

raikage has immense speed. gaara is slow. sand is potentially weaker than raikas lightning. mizukage is all kekkei genkai moves, but her acid is tough to beat when in closed quarters. tsuchikage has the back aches, but the jutsu he has shown is the most powerful i've seen from the kages, plus he has experience. place the arena advantage on gaara+mizu's team ( a medium sized auditorium with lotsa sands, and surely they will shitstomp. but anywhere else, they lose. badly. i give this to raikage + tsuchikage 8-2 kazekage+mizukage. raikage +tsuchikage wins.

tsunade vs lee?
no katsuyu? not much loss against lee, except for her sludge. lee starting at his best speed without gates, tsunade is a natural dodger(medic nins are like that) , but question is how agile is she against the speed of lee? he can probably get a few hits at tsunade, but tsunade can endure. lee's not as strong as her. however if lee maintains his speed and not open gates, he will surely fall for tsunades muscle control erm involuntary muscles jutsu that she did on kabuto. lee doesnt have enough wits and instinct to counter such attack against him, he will be running around in circles, jumping rolling without even hitting tsunade. 1 hit from tsunade and lee is gone. but if lee is able to dish out gates. that's when things will become blurry for tsunade. coz this time, lee pretty much multiplies his speed, and ups his attack power comparable or maybe even more than what tsunade's punches packs. but she has her rebirth technique, and if lee's gate duration, although unknown, is short as i suspect. tsunade will win out of sheer endurance. tsunade's pretty much the toughest kunoichi to kill in this manga. plus she is not the 5th hokage for nothing. I give this to Tsunade 8-2 rock lee. tsunade wins.

and yes i was bored.

Tsunade is a Sannin, she has Regeneration, she is a S Rank healer, and has ridiculous power behind her blows, she only needs to graze Lee and he is in trouble, if Lee goes 5 Gates, Tsunade just needs to last ,dodge and heal until Lee's time runs out then he is easy pickings, Tsunade pretty easily 8-2.

Tsunade vs Lee ( current )

Restrictions: No Katsuyo
distance: 40 meters
State of mind: BL
Location: Sanin battle field

scenario 1: Lee starts at base

scenario 2: Lee starts with weights off

in scenario 2: lee can use of gates 7-3 for lee
in scenario 1: lee can use of gates 6-4 for lee

i think lee would beat tsunade.

tsunade doesn't have impressive speed. she has good reflexes which allow her to dodge (hasnt really been shown but is implied) but not great speed. her strentgh is uber but means nothing if she cant land a hit. her healing jutsu would prove useful, but no enough to win her the match.

lee's speed is shown to be much greater than tsunade's. when theres that much of a difference its gonna factor in. simply she just wouldn't be able to keep up. she could get lucky or be able to outsmart lee due to experience differences.

out of ten fights lee would win 8 and tsunade would win the other 2.


who the fuck thought of this pairing. it just seems like a really odd pairing.

present kakashi vs third hokage. Jutsus will be flying all over the place, that's for sure.

You mean, the 'Old' third hokage, or the third hokage in his prime ?

okay to clear it up, latest kakashi vs 3rd hokage prime. no haxx jutsu such as kamui and shinigami.

3rd hokage (prime) vs kakashi (current)?

no kamui? no death reaper? hmmm. kamui is the biggest weapon kakashi has in his arsenal. taking it away made him lose this fight. the old man will show kakashi his place in the order of food chain. sarutobi 9-1 kakashi. sarutobi takes this fight. kakashi has 1 in 10 chances because 1 of his eyes is sharingan.

MS kind of ruins every match up, so I don't like seeing Uchihas or Kakashi in a VS.

But anyway, I say Hiruzen wins VS Kakashi.

Based on feats its difficult to pick. Sarutobi died too early but still put on a good show against Oro+Edo tensei.

I'd say he wins as well since MS is restricted. Jutsu wise he might be a tad better than Kakashi ( Feats not hype ), but his summons and taijutsu seem better to me.

yea, Hiruzen wins...

Kakashi gotta have Kamui to make it more even...

Even having kamui is hard...

New Battle:

Sai, Naruto and Sakura vs Kakuzu

Same place same time so same skills:

but kakuzu has all five hearts

no assumptions that sakura has life transfer jutsu, which means that naruto is fucked after one rasenshuriken.

also rasenshuriken takes out max two hearts, and masks first.

also kakuzu wont be nearly as fucked after rasenshuriken if has at least one mask left (with his primary heart)

not sure whether to include kyuubi mode, so ill say max 2 tails for naruto (so that he is in control)


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New Battle:

Sai, Naruto and Sakura vs Kakuzu

Same place same time so same skills:

but kakuzu has all five hearts

no assumptions that sakura has life transfer jutsu, which means that naruto is fucked after one rasenshuriken.

also rasenshuriken takes out max two hearts, and masks first.

also kakuzu wont be nearly as fucked after rasenshuriken if has at least one mask left (with his primary heart)

not sure whether to include kyuubi mode, so ill say max 2 tails for naruto (so that he is in control)


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I'd say Kakuzu has some realistic chances of winning because he can:
harden his skin on his main body using earth jutsu so that no attack except for rasengan could go through,
use his masks to do long range lighting, wind and fire attacks, Naruto and Sakura are at that time strictly close range fighters, while Sai could easily dodge with his flying ink bird (none of them can counter elements),
split himself up so that one attack like rasenshuriken doesn't destroy him completely

But Sai, Naruto and Sakura also can win for the obvious reasons, Naruto can make 1000 clones, summon a frog; Sai can fly, Sakura can destroy ground and heal herself so they could hit Kakuzu if they get close to him.

Naruto, Sai and Sakura have about 75 percent chances of winning imo, mainly because Naruto has a lot of chakra (more than Kakuzu) so he will outlast him even if he uses big jutsus like summoning or mass kage bunshins.

New Battle:

Sai, Naruto and Sakura vs Kakuzu

Same place same time so same skills:

but kakuzu has all five hearts

no assumptions that sakura has life transfer jutsu, which means that naruto is fucked after one rasenshuriken.

also rasenshuriken takes out max two hearts, and masks first.

also kakuzu wont be nearly as fucked after rasenshuriken if has at least one mask left (with his primary heart)

not sure whether to include kyuubi mode, so ill say max 2 tails for naruto (so that he is in control)


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This is a hard one.
Naruto and sakura are both close-range fighters which makes them easy targets for kakuzu if he splits into 5five and use his combination elements attacks ( like fire+wind ).
Naruto could use some long range combination attacks with gamatachi and -kichi.. But that would only work 1 time since Kakuzu is a smart fighter and analyses all the opponents attacks..
I think they might kill 1 heart en blow 2 away with rasenshuriken but then what?..
without naruto there, Sai is not the attacker type and sakura would just get blown away since she is close range and kakuzu knows long range attacks for every mask/body.

So it'll be a loss.. but they might kill 2/3 of his hearts.


EDIT: and what I forgot to say is that Kakuzu's main body can harden itself, so Sakura would be pretty useless since she only knows how to punch and heal.

Sai and Sakura = fodder here, so they back off and watch.

Kn2 Naruto will have the speed advantage and chakra shroud with its corrosive properties will make wrapping him in tentacles pointless.

Using kn2's superior speed and power, along with the constant chakra torrent puts Naruto in a good position against the masked beasts & Kazuzu at the same time without having to worry a lot about dmg.

Summoning would be pointless in this scenario since all of Kazuzu's attacks are large scale aoe dmg and a big target like a frog would be BBQed.

I give this kn2 Naruto because of the speed & power advantage, along with the chakra shroud for protection. If Naruto was reduced to base, Kazuzu would most likely pull off a victory at full power, but Kn2's enhancements and chakra would mean ubber rasengan spamming at high speeds for Naruto.

Sakura isn't fast enough nor does she have any jutsu to combat elemental spam with ( Useless ). Sai can fly but the wind mask can too, and it can wipe an entire portion of a forest clean with its jutsu so bye bye ink boy.

the only offensive factor here for team kakashi is naruto's rasengan and rasenshuriken. Sai is a surveillance ninja and sakura is a medic.. its not impossible for them to win, with the unpredictable naruto, but it will be very difficult indeed. kakuzu on the other hand will have great difficulty in hitting targets, sai won't show himself, sakura will be able to dodge as long as she keeps off kakuzu's immediate striking range, naruto can hide behind his unlimited KBs. kakuzu might if the fight drags on.

i give this fight to kakuzu cos without a decent tactician on team kakashi's side, they'll be wasting more moves than the opponent does.

Lets say Jman vs all six realms of pain exept Jman knows each realms abilites before hand (in konaha crater), GO!

even the simple knowledge that there are six bodies is enough for j-man to defeat pain with frog song. he'll take them all out with one move.

even the simple knowledge that there are six bodies is enough for j-man to defeat pain with frog song. he'll take them all out with one move.

talking about underestimating..

J-man would win, since he got enough tricks of his own, and plenty of jutsu..
But he would have a hard time since Pain is a good fighter to.

i give this fight to kakuzu cos without a decent tactician on team kakashi's side, they'll be wasting more moves than the opponent does.

I disagree with you for the simple fact that Kn is not disabled in this fight. Kn2 = unlimited rasengans,chakra shroud = not having to dodge jutsu and add Kn chakra claw and Naruto will be dishing out the pressure like mad.

Kazuzu's abilities are great for keeping enemies at bay while the heavy elemental spam creates openings and destroys enemies. Naruto in Kn2 negates that with superior speed and superb protection. He can attack from long and close range while not having to worry about chakra exhaustion and protection.

Well the one thing we know about Jman is hes an awesome shinobi with awesome jutsu and a great tactician as well. IMO, Jman would attack the weaker realms to draw out the stronger, more importatnt realms like hell, deva and animal realm then kill them. Then, just work his way down till theres none left.

Or, kill deav realm then (something Jman in HM can onbviously do, but has never done it) Just create 1000 HM KBs and wipe out all the realms with a 1000 ultimate rasengan combo lol.

Lol, Jman would be uber because he has no KB limit in HM unlike naruto in SM which means he could create tons and tons of HM KBs, wipe out the shinobi world if he wanted to, but kishi wouldnt let him because like kakashis kamui, kishi wont let him use it:(

I disagree with you for the simple fact that Kn is not disabled in this fight. Kn2 = unlimited rasengans,chakra shroud = not having to dodge jutsu and add Kn chakra claw and Naruto will be dishing out the pressure like mad.

Kazuzu's abilities are great for keeping enemies at bay while the heavy elemental spam creates openings and destroys enemies. Naruto in Kn2 negates that with superior speed and superb protection. He can attack from long and close range while not having to worry about chakra exhaustion and protection.

I didnt want to get involved in the fight because I dont want everyone to think I dont like naruto, but he couldnt win this fight without SM.

I mean in KN2 naruto no faster then kakashi (kakashi and KN2 had a psat for a second and kakashi easily dodged his attack and plced the seal on naruto)and that speed didnt help much against kakuzu before.

And the one thing we know about tailed modes is they dont usaully last very long on the low level. KN1 lasted about two minutes before narutos hand went numb and lost soon after. KN2 didnt last long before it had to move on to KN3 or higher which isnt naruto fighting its the kyuubi so that doesnt count. IMO, naruto needs SM to win this fight.

Also, even with KN2 chakra shroud. Remember kakuzu has that long range raiton peircing attack which would pierce KN2 for sure because raiton can pierce anything.

I mean in KN2 naruto no faster then kakashi

I stopped reading right here.

I stopped reading right here.

Oh Please, if u remember kakashi was attacked by KN2 naruto after deidara tunred out to be a clay clone and kakashi dodged that shit easily then put a seal on naurto stopping the transformation.

Dont get mad at me KN2 cant beat kakuzu. Naruto just needs SM to win, thats all.

Lets say Jman vs all six realms of pain exept Jman knows each realms abilites before hand (in konaha crater), GO!

Jiraiya is strong, I don't know all the jutsus he can use, but if it's vs all six of them simultaneously then Pein has a serious advantage. But if Jiraiya would fight Pein bodies separately he could win. (vs all six at the same time he would lose imo).

As for KN2 chakra shroud, I don't think it would protect Naruto from elemental attacks for some reason, fire plus wind combo would burn him if it would hit him, but he could avoid getting hit since Kakashi, Ino, Chouji and Shikamaru were able to dodge it.

Jiraiya versus Pain with full knowledge?

I would have to say Jiraiya has a serious chance of winning because of his experience and power. Even Itachi and Kisame recognized how dangerous he was, so obviously if he had the information, Pain would be seriously close to losing. I however must say that Pain would probably lose all 5 bodies and be reduced to a half-crippled God Realm, but he would still win. The abilities Nagato showed in restraining the Six Tails and rejuvenating Konoha really was beyond Sannin level... just my opinion.

I could be wrong...

I luv Jiraiya but 'God' Realm is beyond Jiraiya, tooo much power. Jiraiya could oust 4 or 5, maybe. But Shinrai Tensei, is just too much for someone without a bijuu. Sage mode is strong, but not enough. The only shinobi I believe that has been strong enough to take out all 6 paths in one battle was Naruto. He was smart, he started out with 3 strong summoned Boss Toads, plus Ma & Pa Toad. Lets understand that Naruto had help. Thats how badass God Pain was. He's the only villian capable of taking out Aizen or at least existing for a while in a battle vs. Thats just my take on things.

Jiraiya would still loose to Pain, unless he manages to hide himself like he did the time he died and use the frog song. But I doubt he would make it that far, and besides, these VS battles are done in a places where hiding is not allowed.

So Pain wins.

I disagree with you for the simple fact that Kn is not disabled in this fight. Kn2 = unlimited rasengans,chakra shroud = not having to dodge jutsu and add Kn chakra claw and Naruto will be dishing out the pressure like mad.

Kazuzu's abilities are great for keeping enemies at bay while the heavy elemental spam creates openings and destroys enemies. Naruto in Kn2 negates that with superior speed and superb protection. He can attack from long and close range while not having to worry about chakra exhaustion and protection.

You make it sound like Naruto's shroud makes him invulnerable to attacks. It doesn't.

You make it sound like Naruto's shroud makes him invulnerable to attacks. It doesn't.


Invulnerable, no. Increasing his tanking ability by leaps and bounds ? yes.

Since intangibility is only present in 1 person in the whole series tanking is the next best thing.

man, without hiding, you take away the tactical advantages of the intelligent characters in a fight. every battle becomes a head-on brawler wherein better jutsu=always win. No wonder kakashi rarely win in this versus thread... shikamaru is always outpowered by his opponents but he uses his wits to win. i 'm still pretty sure jiraiya will win against pain if he has knowledge of the six paths. all he's got to do is keep out of pain's range until frog song is completed. why would jiraya face god realm head on? he's not stupid... knowledge is power. lol

How else do you defeat God Realm without destroying the body?? J-Man couldn't get close enough for taijutsu, Shinrai Tensei turned Konoha into a parking lot. Additionally as I stated, Naruto didn't come alone, he had 3 Boss Toad Summons, PLUS Ma and Pa Toad, and Naruto was eventually stopped & staked to the freaking ground. Hinata & the Kyuubi made a way for Naruto to escape because the Kyuubi's chakra overpowered Nagato's. Every toad was either injured, or killed when Pein fought Naruto, so what makes the outcome different for Jiraiya. J is no bum, I dig em, but God Realm > Jiraiya is a fact. People watch the Anime and are getting things twisted. Yeah Jiraiya had some cool attacks, vs THOSE 3 Realms of Pein, but... The summons were wearing out J-Man's Boss Toad, (especially the dogs) and though in Sage Mode he managed to put down 3 of the Realms, when God Realm appeared behind J-Man he lost an arm and the fight was basically over. There is no way on God's green Earth that ANY shinobi with one arm will EVER defeat God Realm, PERIOD. Jiraiya also used the environment very well, hiding in smaller tunnels, etc. but on a battlefield, face to face like Naruto's battle equals the same 2 ingredients.... Jiraiya, and TOAST.

what i was saying was that if all 6 realms are caught with frog song, it's over for pain. frog song disrupts all signals sent by nagato to the paths. no signal, no movement from the paths, no bansho tenin, no shinra tensei. you're reverting to the original battle dude, and that's not even what we're talking about here. were talking about how will Jiraiya fare against Pain if he knew all about the 6 bodies and what techs they use. and were not talking about a single-armed jiraiya here either... he lost his arm cos he didn't know that there were more than 3 paths BTW.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/383/13/

So what about

Sasuke vs. Rock lee, Tenten and Neji Hyuuga.

Sasugay with his Mangekyou sharingan, rock lee without weights.

i think sasuke's enton (shaped amaterasu) and susanoo will own them all. rock lee will burn off all his limbs to land a hit on sasuke.

So what about

Sasuke vs. Rock lee, Tenten and Neji Hyuuga.

Sasugay with his Mangekyou sharingan, rock lee without weights.

Sasuke has amateratsu and Susanoo, that is too much for them to handle. If Lee would start in gated mode then Sasuke could lose, but Sasuke could still counter it with Susanoo and wait for Lee's gate mode to end. The only advantage Neji, LEe and Tenten have is the fact that Sasuke gets tired fast after using Susanoo. So, the plan would be Lee starts gated and attacks Sasuke forcing Sasuke to defend using Susanoo, after Lee's gates end Tenten attacks Sasuke with mass kunai and shurikens while Neji closes on Sasuke trying to hit him with gentle fist (Neji has 360 degree vision so he would go through the shuriken rain of Tenten to reach Sasuke). That's the best plan I came up with.

Sasuke stomps, that should be apparent by now.

how bout we make this thread cooler, we pit an underdog against a superior ninja and we find ways for the weaker ninja to win. lol.

Yeah.. they would have a hard time.. It's actually all about Neji..
If he lands a hit.. Sasuke will be screwed since he won't be able to concentrate his chakra and Neji could finish it with his 8 trigrams 64 palms technique..
and that's when sasuke doesn't use his enton/susano'o

I only see them winning when Neji finds the weakspot of susano'o ( if it has one ) and rock lee hit's it with full power/chakra gates opened.. and then Tenten could try to finish sasuke who then is defenceless and she can throw all the kunai she wants..
but that's only is susano'o has a weakness.. and when sasuke doesn't use his enton after susano'o as a second defence..

so basically.. sasuke wins 8-)

I'm a god damn Sasuke hater...

but too bad I'm an objective kinda guy...

Sasuke will surely win IF he have MS...
(Lee doesn't or more likely can't open all of his gates now...)

the only thing that pissed me off is that if Sasugay doesn't go blind after using those MS jutsus...



(I mean, c'mon, if he kills Lee, Neji, TenTen, and he didn't got blind...f**k)

Its all about feats. Sadly Team Gai got trolled badly against a Kisame clone, they will probably never live it down.

Naruto and Sasuke are just lightyears ahead of the rest of the original 12.

Its all about feats. Sadly Team Gai got trolled badly against a Kisame clone, they will probably never live it down.

Naruto and Sasuke are just lightyears ahead of the rest of the original 12.

yeah.. it's a shame..
remember the old times when naruto pursued sasuke and got owned by kimmimaro..
and then rocky lee came to his rescue :D..
That arc was amazing..
Great fights including Choji, Shikamaru, Neji, Kiba, Rock lee and even Gaara Kankuro and temari..
And each of them had a great fight..

And if you remember the fight against kakuzu..
Ino and Choji where pretty useless ^^;
Same with Team Gai against Deidara and Sasori..
Only thing they did was stopping Deidara who was out of chakra..

how bout we make this thread cooler, we pit an underdog against a superior ninja and we find ways for the weaker ninja to win. lol.

I like that idea.

Anyways how about Tsunade vs Sasori? (Tsunade is a medic ninja so she will get some plot no jutsu from me in the form of being able to create the antidote on the field if she gets a sample of Sasori's poison.)

If Rock Lee opened all 8 gates Susgay would get owned. We have never really seen the eight gates opened and I would assume the ultimate sacrifice would come with a great ability to fuck things up. But if Rock Lee had some sake with the gates all opened, I'm sure it would be an unimaginable battle

Anyways how about Tsunade vs Sasori? (Tsunade is a medic ninja so she will get some plot no jutsu from me in the form of being able to create the antidote on the field if she gets a sample of Sasori's poison.)

Whats the limit on Antidote usage ?

She would lose either way, neutralizing poison is one thing, outlasting a shit load of attacks is another. She can last for a while with SS, but Sasori's bag of tricks is just too freaking deep.

Tsunade doesn't have a Chiyo with her to help with info, Katsuyo can be countered with Kazekage puppet and new world order. Eventually SS would be over and Sasori would deal enough dmg to bring her down.

Tsuande can heal but against a massive barrage of attacks she would have no time.

plus you need the herb that only grow in Sunagakure's medical garden...

so no info, bout Sasori, dangerous...

He's like Hidan...kinda have this "death the first time you fight him"...

So, both Hidan and Sasori got owned by 3 days preparations...

If Rock Lee opened all 8 gates Susgay would get owned. We have never really seen the eight gates opened and I would assume the ultimate sacrifice would come with a great ability to fuck things up. But if Rock Lee had some sake with the gates all opened, I'm sure it would be an unimaginable battle

While RL is one of my favorite character's, he'd get his shit rocked even with 8 gates open. Opening 8 gates grants you power surprassing the Kage's, YES. However Sasuke's susano'o + ama would roast lee's eyebrows off. Plus Sasuke has more than likely conditioned his body over the time skip to handle the dramatic increase in speed he gained from Lee. So while he's just as fast as lee w/o weights, as soon as his shunshin's, Lee's life is over. I don't think that's a fair fight lmao

first challenge: make tsunade win against sasori.

i don't think it's not impossible but it would be difficult.

^It is impossible.
Sasori rips her apart in every possible scenario. Sasori is underrated because he died first of the Akatsuki. In truth, he is one of the most dangerous opponents Narutoverse can offer.

And Sasuke shitstomps the previous battle mentioned.

^It is impossible.
Sasori rips her apart in every possible scenario. Sasori is underrated because he died first of the Akatsuki. In truth, he is one of the most dangerous opponents Narutoverse can offer.

And Sasuke shitstomps the previous battle mentioned.

Yeah true.. Tsunade is strong, but not fast.. And that is essential if she wants to win against some1 like Sasori.. Every time he hits.. She gets poisoned, and I don't think she got the special herb from The hidden sand village in her pocket to neutralise the poison..

The only way Tsunade survives is if she's with Chyo, you need a master puppeteer, or someone with Godly power, like God Realm to deal with the assault that is Sasori. Every weapon is imbued with poision, and there are a lot of different weapons for someone to avoid. Remember also that Chyo did get poisoned, and Sakura got poisoned twice. She just had the antidote from days before like somebody said.

kakashi recently gained the abilty to send parts of ppl to another dimension using his sharingan, however... tobi can transport parts of his body or his whole body to another dimension..any relationship there. lemi know whata u think plz... kakashi...obito...tobi...madara...must crack that puzzle

Heres a scenario!!!

Tsunades getting her ass kicked real bad as sasori toys with her. However, sasukes passing by and feels sorry for her so he Uses karin to wipe out sasori all at once. Then kills tsunade because shes used too much chakra and shes old an ugly!

Hidan winz!!!

Continued, JMan vs six realms of pain (Jman knows all of pains attacks)

Jman fought of animal realm with just one summon while naruto needed SM, 2 KBs and three summons. Thats the difference between the two. Granted it took longer, but Jman showed his greater skill and ability with ninjutsu in that fight.

ANyways, Im sure Jman would beat all six realms with prior info meaning he could create a stratregy before hand and use his bushins to set all kinds of traps like frog stomach, hell swamp, energy barrier, ect. Each unique for each path. Most of all, Jmans startegy would be to go into the fight in HM and to seperate the realms. Either way Im almost positive Jman could beat all six with these circumstances if he could come in knowing nothing and defeat 3 realms at once without any outside help.

Jman fought of animal realm with just one summon while naruto needed SM, 2 KBs and three summons. Thats the difference between the two. Granted it took longer, but Jman showed his greater skill and ability with ninjutsu in that fight.

ANyways...

Son, why does every other post that you submit consist of (sad attempts at) subliminally downplaying Naruto's feats and/or tossing Sasuke's salad for being so super.

Pain already stated himself that Jaraiya probably would have won had he started the battle with adequate information on his enemy (Pain). Ya está. You easily could have demonstrated the main point of your post (the possibility of Jiraiya, with previous knowledge, beating pain) without trying to bite Naruto's dick off in the process.

Who would win a fight between SM Naruto & Kakashi Vs. Itachi & 7th seal Miato Guy?

Son, why does every other post that you submit consist of (sad attempts at) subliminally downplaying Naruto's feats and/or tossing Sasuke's salad for being so super.

Pain already stated himself that Jaraiya probably would have won had he started the battle with adequate information on his enemy (Pain). Ya está. You easily could have demonstrated the main point of your post (the possibility of Jiraiya, with previous knowledge, beating pain) without trying to bite Naruto's dick off in the process.

Lol, the truth must hurt narutard! I make that shit clear because some narutards actually believe SM naruto>HM Jman so hush amigo! Lol, narutos getting loved and praised everyother post in this forum so when u find one that doesnt u shouldnt get mad and make an ass out of yourself because its just a manga story.

Again, why get ur tampon lodged too far in ur vag, see a post u dont like, then cry a river how it shouldve been posted:rolleyes:

Also, so naruto needed SM, 2 KBs and 3 boss summons to fight animal realms summons while Jman only needed 1 boss summon and at base, no HM. Lol, animal realm was actually really tough with all of those summons so whats the problem?

Truth is its not the way I posted, but the fact that Jman beat animal realms summons with much less effort then naruto. Well buddy dont get mad at me because I brought it up seeing as how I was trying to make a point about why Jman could defeat all six realms with prior info.

EDIT: Ha Haaaaaaaaaa!

Lol, the truth must hurt narutard! I make that shit clear because some narutards actually believe SM naruto>HM Jman

Actually, I believe Jiraiya is still overall beter than Naruto; however, that is not relevant right now. My point was that you start this argument of yours by downplaying Naruto and then try to adapt that to an argument about how Jiraiya could have beaten pain. Why not just stop being a bitch, present your argument, "Jiraiya could beat pain, etc," and then, as proof, compare their abilities. You constantly introduce unfounded bashes, almost exclusively about Naruto while pretending to argue another topic. And I am calling you out for being FULL OF SHIT.



Again, why get ur tampon lodged too far in ur vag, see a post u dont like, then cry a river how it shouldve been posted

Did you make that one up or steal it from Myth again?



For the record, who dealt with the summons much more eloquently, quickly and efficiently? You're not worth arguing with. I'm not wasting another post on you...

Jugo vs Tsunade

Location: Konoha outskirts. Training field.
Restrictions: None
Knowledge: None
State of mind: IC

Jugo starts at base.

Tsunade.

Not that she can survive a bazooka barrage, but her summons can. And besides, she hits almost as hard as Raikage. So I would bet my money on her. She also has more experience, and she can heal herself while her summons buy her time.