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Nexus
07-18-2007, 03:13 PM
Post time skip Gaara (with his demon) vs the first Hokage? Heh. Wood vs Sand. I don't know much of the first, so I'll have to say Gaara would win.

The Shodaime Hokage can tame the tailed beasts and has vast chakra and experience. Gaara's a goner on this one...

HinataFanX
07-18-2007, 05:26 PM
Shodaime and Nidaime would win a fight against Gaara, Shodaime because he can tame the tailed beasts, and Nidaime if he can get Gaara soaked with water. Any other Hokage would either lose or die with Gaara.

Vengeance
07-19-2007, 12:14 AM
Garra vs. 1st Hokage? I'd say the 1st for reasons stated above.

How about Neji Huga vs. Tsunade? Ignoring reputations like "Sannin" or "Hokage" just based on each persons fighting capability.

Personally I'd say Neji I'm sure allot of you would disagree with me on this. But Tsunade is shown to be a close courters fighter who doesn't excel in super human speeds. Neji's Byakugan should be enough for him to dodge & counter every one of Tsunade's attacks allowing him to quickly cut off the flow of her Chakra.

*Hides in a corner for saying Neji can beat the current Hokage*

Anbu leader
07-19-2007, 12:35 AM
Tsunade has my vote one hit from her and he can die and she uses medical ninjutsu she can easily disabl him with out breaking a sweat.

shadow_moon
07-19-2007, 12:42 AM
shodaime definitely win over gaara or naruto. how about kabuto & sakura in terms of medical skills?

Vengeance
07-19-2007, 12:49 AM
Tsunade has my vote one hit from her and he can die and she uses medical ninjutsu she can easily disabl him with out breaking a sweat.

My argument is that she's not fast enough to get around his Byakugan. So she wouldn't even land a single hit.

Kabuto vs. Sakura.... Kabuto hands down would pwn Sakura he has more combat experience. Kabuto was able to go toe to toe with Tsunade & he wasn't even trying to kill her in that fight. Sakura is in no way Tsunade's equal. Not to mention Kabuto has gotten a boost sense that fight having integrated Orochimaru's cells into his own body.

Anbu leader
07-19-2007, 01:28 AM
Toe to toe not really she wa worn out from chasing them and he used the blood thing against here ye pretty toe to toe when a enemy is not fighting back pff now if he and tsunade fought she would kick his ass she would have killed him the first time had sh not been scared of blood but now she isn't .

I agree sakura doesn't have experience to fight kabuto he is a better medical nin since tsunade said his skills surpass hers even when she was at her prime and not one place has it mentoined sakura can surpass or has surpasses tsunade so my money is on kaubto.

Vengeance
07-19-2007, 01:59 AM
Toe to toe not really she wa worn out from chasing them and he used the blood thing against here ye pretty toe to toe when a enemy is not fighting back pff now if he and tsunade fought she would kick his ass she would have killed him the first time had sh not been scared of blood but now she isn't .

I agree sakura doesn't have experience to fight kabuto he is a better medical nin since tsunade said his skills surpass hers even when she was at her prime and not one place has it mentoined sakura can surpass or has surpasses tsunade so my money is on kaubto.

He could of killed her as well when he first hit her chest. Instead he underestimated his opponent & stopped to fix his glasses. It's not Kabuto's fault that Tsunade was dumb enough to waste chakra pounding the ground to show off her strength. & there's nothing wrong with Kabuto using blood pills. That fight would have been over allot sooner had he taken the fight more serious & if he was allowed to kill her.

Tsunade's statement about Kabuto: This boy is not an ordinary medical ninja... His senses & strength may exceed even my own in my prime.

Tsunade's statement alone is enough to say that Kabuto had the upper hand in the first half of that fight. When Tsunade did infact fight back & wasn't crippled by her fear of blood. If they fought again Kabuto would win against Tsunade because he wouldn't be held back by Orochimaru. He would also take her allot more seriously then last time. Plus like I stated above he's gotten a power boost from Orochimaru's cells. Just wait & see, I can't wait to see Kabuto in action again.

MikeyM1979
07-19-2007, 05:29 AM
Tsunade vs Neji eh? I want to say Neji, but I think Tsunade would win. Neither of them are known for being speedy ninja's. But I would think Neji has her beaten extremely clearly should the fight come down to taijutsu styles. And I'd also think, while he's not a speed demon, that he is a bit faster when it comes to being defensive, and his reflexes. All he needs to do is tag her a few times and she'd be leaking chakra every where. :p The problem I see is if Neji isn't fast enough to dodge her attacks, he'll have no choice but to a) counter them (which could be risky) or b) block. And with her brute force, if he blocks her attacks, he may not die, but he'll certainly end up with some broken bones. Then there's his ultimate defense. I honestly don't think Tsunade can get through that. While isn't known for speed under normal conditions, his speed is kind of impressive when he uses Trigram attacks. I know that'd overwhelm her. Still, she has much more experience on her side. Who should win, would be Neji. Who would win, would most likely be Tsunade.

Sakura vs Kabuto...well, Sakura is a mini-Tsunade. Physically strong, with some medical training, except that Sakura is a genjutsu type. So, yeah, Kabuto would own Sakura. He is faster, most likely smarter, probably has better medical skills. Sakura's strength won't even be a factor in that fight, even if she does hit Kabuto. Hell, Kabuto took a Rasengan straight to his body and survived, and healed. I doubt Sakura has it in her to kill someone like Kabuto.

Kaine
07-19-2007, 07:48 AM
Tsunade-Neji i am saying tsunade since she has that bad-ass jutsu that heals her,so neji's taijutsu won't hurt her.But it would be a tough fight since both are close range fighters and pretty slow

Sakura-Kabuto I have said it many times she stands no chance against him,not to mention the present time that he has orochimaru dna in him...

MikeyM1979
07-19-2007, 08:13 AM
She can only release that seal of hers once during battle, though. So if Neji manages to break her down, physically, and she releases her seal, she can't do it again during the same battle. I think. And Neji can now attack from long range. Hm. Now I'm very unsure of that fight. As long as Neji stays untouched by her, or wears her down (then he can maybe take a hit or two without dying), then he'll be fine. I mean, we know he out classes her in straight up taijutsu.

Vengeance
07-19-2007, 09:12 AM
She can only release that seal of hers once during battle, though. So if Neji manages to break her down, physically, and she releases her seal, she can't do it again during the same battle. I think. And Neji can now attack from long range. Hm. Now I'm very unsure of that fight. As long as Neji stays untouched by her, or wears her down (then he can maybe take a hit or two without dying), then he'll be fine. I mean, we know he out classes her in straight up taijutsu.

Another thing about Neji vs. Tsunade. Sense Neji attacks the chakra network wouldn't it have a similar affect on Tsunade's power as say Kabuto's Chakra Scaples did? Kabuto was able to take multiple direct attacks from Tsunade because he "Cut her biceps & Abdomen Muscles" Neji vs. Hinata showed Neji doesn't even need to get a decisive hit to cut off the flow of Chakra. He weakened her power & movements before she even realized what was going on. If Neji were to strike first would it be enough to at least lower her overall strength so that she couldn't one hit KO him in the first place. I don't think Tsunade's Juto Chop Paralyzing Jutsu would work on Neji as she needs to hit the back of his neck in a very precise spot. Something that would be very hard to do against someone with a kekai genkai like Neji's. Anyway I stick to my original theory that Tsunade wouldn't land a single blow on Neji. At least not early on were Neji would have time to cut her Chakra flow taking her out of the fight rather quickly. Tsunade is brute strength with healing support capability. Which makes her an excellent Ninja. But in the end she is the weakest of the 3 Sannin. & not the best Taijutsu user in Konoha if someone like Kabuto can match her speed & Taijutsu skill after stating "I'm not that strong with Taijutsu but..." Were as Neji is clearly a Taijustu specialist with a bloodline that helps him immobilize his opponents quickly & also help him read there every movement.

Edit: Ok sense no one is posting....

Hatake Sakumo vs. Shisui Uchiha

Incase some of you don't know who these people are....

Hatake Sakumo: Kakashi's father also known as Konoha's White Fang. Sed to have respect in Konoha equal to that of the legendary Sannin.

Shisui Uchiha: Best friend of Itachi Uchiha. Sed to be among the most talented shinobi in the Uchiha clan. His nick name was Shisui of the Body Flicker.

This is a battle by reputation alone. I'm going with Hatake Sakumo sense he was compared to the legendary Sannin by the 4th. He didn't die in battle but rather killed himself out of depression. While Shisui was killed by Itachi so easily Itachi was able to make it look like a suicide. Feel free to disagree with me on this as we know almost nothing about ether fighter.

shadow_moon
07-19-2007, 10:45 PM
sakumo vs. shisui

i think sakumo would win afterall he's strong as sannin, he would find away to defeat shisui fast moves.

Vengeance
07-22-2007, 12:33 PM
hhm.... Not allot of people posting here lately...


Kakashi vs. Sasuke

My vote goes for Sasuke; Sasuke in my opinion knows everything Orochimaru knew & Kakashi almost pissed himself when he met Orochimaru because he feared his jutsu. & also because its now officially stated that Sasuke will have better eyes then Itach; Which should mean he will surpass his brother. & I don't think Kakashi stands much of a chance against Itachi. I think you could all at least agree on that.

Anyway just trying to get the vs. thread more active so respond & list you're own match-ups. :)

ITzANIllUZion
07-22-2007, 04:45 PM
kakashi wasnt scared of his jutsus...he was scared of orochimaru..the dude was strong...

hrmm well then this fight has already been stated once already..some pages back..

im still going with kakashi on this one..i believe kakashi is smart enough not to look at the eyes.
we know that kakashi is able to open the gates..also has MS..plus shit load of jutsu at his will...and strength..and speed..
sauske has those also..(except for the gates) but i believe kakashi is smarter and has more battle exp.

shadow_moon
07-23-2007, 12:39 AM
we know that kakashi is able to open the gates..also has MS..

what gates are you talking about? the gates that used by lee & gai?

MikeyM1979
07-23-2007, 01:51 AM
Kakashi vs Sasuke? Nice. I'd give it to Sasuke. Since Sasuke single handedly took out someone that not even a combined effort from Naruto and Kakashi, could take out. From what I've seen, Kakashi's Sharingan is only better because of MS. I doubt Kakashi can use genjutsu on Manda. There are other reasons why I think Sasuke would win, but I'm too lazy to post all of it. :p

Kaine
07-23-2007, 06:29 AM
The same reason why Itachi still wins Sasuke.The ms,i don't think the chidori will really hurt Kakashi since he is the founder of it and i am sure he knows to handle it better than any1.The only part sasuke is pawning him is speed and chakra capacity(not sure about that).
@mikeyM1979 lol...those do didn't done anything but chasing him around,obviously it was a 2 man effort...Naruto was yelling like a bitch all the time.And sasuke had a very hard time beating him he was almost dead when the battle was over,he admitted it also...

Vengeance
07-23-2007, 07:59 AM
The same reason why Itachi still wins Sasuke.The ms,i don't think the chidori will really hurt Kakashi since he is the founder of it and i am sure he knows to handle it better than any1.The only part sasuke is pawning him is speed and chakra capacity(not sure about that).
@mikeyM1979 lol...those do didn't done anything but chasing him around,obviously it was a 2 man effort...Naruto was yelling like a bitch all the time.And sasuke had a very hard time beating him he was almost dead when the battle was over,he admitted it also...

Can use honestly say that Kakashi has a better chidori then Sasuke at this point lol. When has Kakashi ever shown the same amount of versatility & skill with Chidori that Sasuke has. The 4th was right to say that Chidori was an incomplete Jutsu because Sasuke took it beyond anything Kakashi has shown us. He took a Jutsu thats mainly for assassinations & turned it into something far more versatile & reliable in a combat situation. & for those saying Kakashi's Raikiri is stronger because its white I'll just say this to you. Raikiri is a nick name given to Chidori by his enemies. The reason its white is because Kakashi has a white aura because of who his father is.

Edit: MKs shouldn't be an issue; Sasuke has better eyes then Kakashi & will have better eyes then Itachi. For all we know he could have MKs already. & for thouse saying but he didn't kill Naruto to obtain it well how about this. He did kill his instructor who taught him for 2 1/2 years. Couldn't this be used as the emotional trigger to activate MKs for Sasuke as well?

Nexus
07-23-2007, 11:38 AM
what gates are you talking about? the gates that used by lee & gai?

Yes. Kakashi can break the gates just like Gai & Lee, but we don't know how many gates.

I say Sasuke would have the upper hand on Kakashi because of advanced Sharingan, super speed, extemely powerful Ninjutsus & Genjutsus and above-average Taijutsu skills... not to the CS which heightens his abilities... If Naruto has surpassed Kakashi like Kakashi stated, then Sasuke certainly has. Kakashi would be too shocked at Sasuke's ablilities and lose on the element of surprise.

Distortion
07-23-2007, 11:54 AM
Nexus, if the element of surprise was all you needed to kill Kakashi, he would never have survived outside as a ninja. -_- ZzZZ Kakashi would beat Sasuke, not completely own him, but he would win.

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How about this one, I know it's probably been said already but.

Itachi vs Aizen. 0_o

MajinX
07-23-2007, 12:08 PM
Nexus, if the element of surprise was all you needed to kill Kakashi, he would never have survived outside as a ninja. -_- ZzZZ Kakashi would beat Sasuke, not completely own him, but he would win.

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How about this one, I know it's probably been said already but.

Itachi vs Aizen. 0_o

wthh aizen from bleach?? ahhh i think all bleach ppl can beat naruto ppl, those guys get cut a thosand times and then stands up, jokes around and continue fighting againnnn

Vengeance
07-23-2007, 02:18 PM
Itachi vs. Aizien LOL

Ok first off Azien is a ghost so Itachi can't even see him... Lets not even consider the fact that Azien is godly in bleach.... Hell I'd go so far as to say even Rukia can kill Itachi without any problems.... I agree with Majin X last post on this one...

Nexus
07-23-2007, 02:51 PM
Nexus, if the element of surprise was all you needed to kill Kakashi, he would never have survived outside as a ninja. -_- ZzZZ Kakashi would beat Sasuke, not completely own him, but he would win.

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State your reasons... I have...



How about this one, I know it's probably been said already but.

Itachi vs Aizen. 0_o

That should've been posted in the Anime & Manga's "VS Thread" since Aizen doesn't belong to the Naruto world, but, to respond to that, I'll say Itachi because if Aizen gets put into his Genjutsu (which I'm sure that he will), then he's finished.

MikeyM1979
07-24-2007, 06:15 AM
I say Sasuke would have the upper hand on Kakashi because of advanced SharinganAgreed.

super speedKakashi is pretty fast also, although I believe Sasuke has surpassed Kakashi in speed.

extemely powerful Ninjutsus & GenjutsusWe don't really know if Kakashi can use strong genjutsu. Though, you'd think he'd have shown us by now, eh? o_O As for ninjutsus, I have to disagree. They both have pretty strong ninjutsus, so I think they're about even. I'm sure some will say Kakashi is better because he has more to choose from, but that doesn't really matter, since Kakashi has very low stamina and very low chakra.

and above-average Taijutsu skills...He has average taijutsu skills from what we've seen. Not above average. Why would you think that?

not to the CS which heightens his abilities...It also drains his chakra pretty quickly. Which, now that I think about it, Sasuke doesn't stay in CS form for too long. He kind of slips in and out of the forms when he needs to.

If Naruto has surpassed Kakashi like Kakashi stated, then Sasuke certainly has.I think you mean Sasuke certainly CAN. :p And I agree.

Kakashi would be too shocked at Sasuke's ablilities and lose on the element of surprise.I, have to disagree. I can't see Kakashi losing from something like that. In a serious fight, not some sparring match like he had with Naruto and Sakura, I don't see Kakashi losing to the element of surprise. He's a seasoned veteran ninja. I'm sure he'd be surprised in some ways at Sasuke's growth, but not to the point where he'd lose his composure and go on to lose the fight that way.

I still think Kakashi would lose to Sasuke now. Sasuke defeated Orochimaru and Deidara, one of which Kakashi was deathly afraid of, and the other, Kakashi couldn't defeat, and he was with Naruto at the time. Not only that...

Sasuke's Sharingan > Kakashi's Sharingan
Sasuke's speed > Kakashi's speed
Sasuke's chakra supply & stamina > Kakashi's chakra supply & stamina

Really, the only things Kakashi has for him going into a fight like that is his experience and his Mangekyou Sharingan. And even those things won't guarantee him victory. Sasuke trained with, and defeated a Legendary Sannin, so I don't think experience will be of much help for Kakashi. Oh, and neither will having 1000 jutsus. And his MS, well, it was difficult for Kakashi to land his MS on Deidara, so I'd imagine it'd be even more difficult to land it on a target that has super speed.

shiki-fuujin
07-24-2007, 10:11 AM
oro was weak when he was killed his body was rejecting him if that was not the case sasuke would have his little uchia @ss kick by oro so people should use tha fake trump card as a reason to prove sasuke's power plus if naruto had not hold back at the valley sasuke would be dead because sasuke was at full power and naruto was not he still had 8 more power ups as i call them and sasuke was full power with CS2 and before wen naruto and him use there special at the same if kakashi hadnt stopped them uknow

GAma_Oyabun
07-24-2007, 11:53 PM
oro wasnt that great after readin' several of the manga. he got too old, deidara couldve taken him easily. sasuke beat deidara therefore seals the fact that sasuke is in fact stronger

shiki-fuujin
07-25-2007, 12:01 AM
oro wasnt that great after readin' several of the manga. he got too old, deidara couldve taken him easily. sasuke beat deidara therefore seals the fact that sasuke is in fact stronger

............are u crazy......deidra is nothing but a terrorist

cyc
07-26-2007, 11:31 AM
^ lmao at u callin Deidara a terrorist. but the more i think about it deidara had a deathwish. and for the arguement Sasuke>>>>>>Kakashi

shiki-fuujin
07-26-2007, 12:02 PM
agree lets call them all murderous terrorists especially deiadra

shinovsnaruto
07-26-2007, 05:16 PM
that water dude who works with Sasuke vs Haku?

ITzANIllUZion
07-26-2007, 05:44 PM
suigetsu vs haku...ok im going with suigetsu..sure haku is fast..but we have seen suigetsu get his head smacked off and come back..with teh water..

MikeyM1979
07-26-2007, 06:45 PM
oro was weak when he was killed his body was rejecting him if that was not the case sasuke would have his little uchia @ss kick by oro so people should use tha fake trump card as a reason to prove sasuke's power plus if naruto had not hold back at the valley sasuke would be dead because sasuke was at full power and naruto was not he still had 8 more power ups as i call them and sasuke was full power with CS2 and before wen naruto and him use there special at the same if kakashi hadnt stopped them uknowWhy are you still making up excuses for Naruto's loss? And why are you down playing what Sasuke has done? You can word it as many different ways as you want. But the fact is, and yes, remember this, FACT, so you can stop with your excuses and other B.S. which I've heard way too many times from people like you, is that Sasuke DID defeat Orochimaru on his own, and he also defeated Naruto, on his own. I see you're just another person who keeps going on and on with the 'oh but...', just stop. It's old.

............are u crazy......deidra is nothing but a terroristDeidara was possibly a genius of his village. He took a Jounin, possibly Kage level ninja like Sasuke to his limit, and survived a battle against Kakashi and Naruto. I'd say he's much more than just a terrorist.

that water dude who works with Sasuke vs Haku?Suigetsu vs Haku? I would think Ice > water, no? I don't know. We haven't seen just what Suigetsu can do. Although, I doubt that ice mirror move Haku used against Sasuke and Naruto would have much effect on Suigetsu.

Vengeance
07-26-2007, 09:23 PM
suigetsu vs haku...

Sighs... Haku really wasn't all that to begin with. He went up against two in-experienced genin & would of lost to Sasuke if Naruto wasn't around to mess things up. Sorry but once Sasuke was able to use a very weak version of the Sharingan the fight was pretty much in his favor. Also Haku doesn't like to kill while Suigetsu does.

Suigetsu seems to be at least on the level of a special jounin(if not higher) with a body that can turn into water at will making Haku's needles useless sense they'd go right threw him. That & Suigetsu was also Zabuza's apprentice & seems to be created souly to fight Kasime who would clearly pawn Zabuza.

shadow_moon
07-26-2007, 09:25 PM
suigetsu vs. haku, i'll go for suigetsu.

does zabuza vs. suigetsu, already posted?

Vengeance
07-26-2007, 09:30 PM
Zabuza vs. Suigetsu now there's a better fight. :) Hard for me to judge this one as if I say Suigetsu that would mean he could beat Kakashi aswell which I don't think is possible for him. So I'll go with Zabuza. But it could go ether way sense we don't know to much about Suigetsu. I'm very interested in other people opinions on this one. Who do you think would win Shadow Moon?

Edit: which one has Zabuza's sword lol.

Kore
07-26-2007, 09:31 PM
zaubuza would get destroyed by suigetsu. they are both from the same village but suigetsu is almost literally water...which means all of zabuza's killer techniques would be diddly squat.

how about Tsunade versus deidara. All of the sannins are S-classed nins with the ability to join akatsuki in my opinion, so i figure this would be a good battle. I would go for deidara in this fight as deidara is well versed in the replacement jutsu so tsunade's killer hits could go ignored as he toys around and tries to blow her to pieces.

Vengeance
07-26-2007, 09:38 PM
Tsunade vs. Deidara....

Deidara hands down would pwn Tsunade sorry but I think she's very overrated. Tsunade can't fly, has no long ranged jutsu as of now, & well is mainly a support medic ninja. Tsunade has never been shown in a combat situation during flash backs. She was clearly not on the front lines & was mainly used to heal injured ninja. Tsunade is also the weakest Sannin in my opinion.

shadow_moon
07-26-2007, 09:41 PM
Zabuza vs. Suigetsu now there's a better fight. :) Hard for me to judge this one as if I say Suigetsu that would mean he could beat Kakashi aswell which I don't think is possible for him. So I'll go with Zabuza. But it could go ether way sense we don't know to much about Suigetsu. I'm very interested in other people opinions on this one. Who do you think would win Shadow Moon?

Edit: which one has Zabuza's sword lol.

its the battle of master vs. apprentice, star wars style. lol

its the battle of water jutsu.. who's gonna win? let assume they don't use the giant sword.

i vote suigetsu, but it would be a stalemate in terms of creating water justu though he was experimented by oro that would make him stronger.

shadow_moon
07-26-2007, 09:45 PM
how about Tsunade versus deidara. All of the sannins are S-classed nins with the ability to join akatsuki in my opinion, so i figure this would be a good battle. I would go for deidara in this fight as deidara is well versed in the replacement jutsu so tsunade's killer hits could go ignored as he toys around and tries to blow her to pieces.

my vote is going to deidara. how can tsunade hit deidara if she cannot get near to him.

Vengeance
07-26-2007, 09:51 PM
I just wish we knew more about suigetsu.... How long was he Zabuza's apprentice? Did Zabuza teach him everything he knew or was it only Taijutsu or Water Element ninjutsu? Why did he leave Zabuza & go with Orochimaru? Was Zabuza somehow connected to Orochimaru? Is suigetsu's body a result of Orochimaru's experiments or was it a Keki Genki that he was born with? & If it is infact a Keki Genki what exactly did Orochimaru do to him? to many questions... lol

shadow_moon
07-26-2007, 09:54 PM
I just wish we knew more about suigetsu.... How long was he Zabuza's apprentice? Did Zabuza teach him everything he knew or was it only Taijutsu or Water Element ninjutsu? Why did he leave Zabuza & go with Orochimaru? Was Zabuza somehow connected to Orochimaru? Is suigetsu's body a result of Orochimaru's experiments or was it a Keki Genki that he was born with? & If it is infact a Keki Genki what exactly did Orochimaru do to him? to many questions... lol

yeah too many questions but there is no answers to it yet..

Blue46
07-26-2007, 10:11 PM
ide wish they'de tell us already. maybe zabuza dumped suigetsu fer haku (big mistake)

shadow_moon
07-26-2007, 10:17 PM
ide wish they'de tell us already. maybe zabuza dumped suigetsu fer haku (big mistake)

maybe zabuza wants his apprentice to be look like a girl....lol

brandoi
07-28-2007, 07:52 PM
If Suigetsu was Zabuza's apprentice.... wouldn't Suigestu be pretty weak? Zabuza is weak as is, but Suigetsu? He should be weaker as an apprentice, but then again he left for Orochimaru, maybe just like Sasuke, seeking power.

Nexus
07-28-2007, 08:06 PM
If Suigetsu was Zabuza's apprentice.... wouldn't Suigestu be pretty weak? Zabuza is weak as is, but Suigetsu? He should be weaker as an apprentice, but then again he left for Orochimaru, maybe just like Sasuke, seeking power.

Personally, I don't think Zabuza was that weak at all as he was a well-known ANBU jounin-level shinobi that took it to Kakashi for a while.

MikeyM1979
07-28-2007, 08:10 PM
If Suigetsu was Zabuza's apprentice.... wouldn't Suigestu be pretty weak? Zabuza is weak as is, but Suigetsu? He should be weaker as an apprentice, but then again he left for Orochimaru, maybe just like Sasuke, seeking power.I don't think Zabuza was weak. He simply didn't have a bloodline limit given to him like Kakashi did. Also, Suigetsu is of this generation of ninja's. So I wouldn't be surprised that Suigetsu has surpassed Zabuza already.

As for Tsunade vs Deidara....well, I consider Deidara Kage level, so...honestly, I can't imagine how the hell Tsunade would get herself out of this one. What will she do while Deidara is air born? Punch shit? The only chance she has is to get in close and knock his head off.

Myhaus719
07-28-2007, 11:45 PM
yeh for tsunade vs deidara id have to say deidara. because all tsunade can do is punch and kick and heal, so thats not gonna do anything vs deidaras long-range attacks

Vengeance
07-29-2007, 12:20 PM
Uummm... next fight

Juugo vs. Kiba

A battle of brawlers so to speak. Not much is known about Juugo other then he's the source of the cursed seal. Which could mean he'll get the biggest boost in raw power when compared to all other past users of the cured seals. What is known about him is that he has the ability to change the shape of his body to use as weapons & extend his reach somewhat. Juugo was strong enough to knock Sasuke into a prison wall & force him to use a partial CS transformation. He seems to be easily calmed by the power of the Sharingan possibly due to Sasuke using Genjutsu or maybe just an overall fear of it though I could be wrong.

Now on to Kiba. Kiba's shown us that he has animal like reflex's, sense's, speed, & power. Kiba takes a bit of a hit when looking at his fight with Sakon at fist glance. To Kiba's credit his fusion with Akamaru was enough to split Sakon in half though it wasn't enough to finish the fight. Also Kiba was forced to stab himself which hurt his chances of winning that fight alone. In the current manga its clear that Akamaru has drastically improved based on how big he is now. Akamaru's improvement should be parallel to Kiba's. If nothing else Kiba should at least have improvements in his speed, strength, animal sense, & jutsu with Akamaru in the current timeline.

I'm going to give this fight to Kiba.

Nexus
07-29-2007, 02:25 PM
Are you serious? Juugo all the way...

Vengeance
07-29-2007, 02:38 PM
Are you serious? Juugo all the way...

Juugo really doesn't impress me. So I guess I am serious lol

Shrike
07-29-2007, 03:53 PM
Juugo would eat Kiba for breakfast. He wouldn't be tasty and he would smell like a dog though.

Vengeance
07-29-2007, 04:28 PM
But what do we know about Juugo other then he's the source of the cursed seal? All we know is that he's a brute who can't even control his actions once he uses his keki genki. While Kiba is clearly faster then your average Ninja & isn't a weak taijutsu type. Plus he's got Akamaru to back him up & there's no telling of how much stronger there team work has gotten in 2 1/2 years. Kiba should be able to out smart Juugo.

Trey
07-29-2007, 04:29 PM
Juugo in 3 seconds, he's obviously a skilled combatant and his size is hulking.

shadow_moon
07-29-2007, 09:26 PM
i'll go for juugo, after defeating kiba he will get akamaru as his pet.. lol

Narutologist
07-30-2007, 01:51 PM
I like Kiba but I would have to go with Juugo also. juugo is super strong and super crazy. To think that he battled Kimmaro when he was healthy he has to be really strong now.

I'MNOTCRAZY
07-30-2007, 01:54 PM
juugo would DEFINITLY win. He'd probably eat Akamaru. lol.

Distortion
07-30-2007, 02:03 PM
Personally, I don't think Zabuza was that weak at all as he was a well-known ANBU jounin-level shinobi that took it to Kakashi for a while.

Zabuza wasn't weak at all wtf. He had a lot of physical strength and he was smart, and had several jutsus. He lost to Kakashi because it was the first time he encountered the Sharingan. 0_o He thought it could read the future lmao. Hell if it wasn't for Sasuke and Naruto Kakashi may not be here today. O_o

Tsuande vs Deidara? Pfft, you act as if being able to fly automatically means you can beat anyone who is a mid to close range fighter. So Deidara was an aerial attacker? Does that mean he owns everyone who doesn't get off the ground? Pfft Once Deidara hits the ground its over for him. Tsunade could easily throw a mountain at Deidara and then we'd see what's up.
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What about... Itachi vs Pein. 0_o

Nexus
07-30-2007, 02:30 PM
Zabuza wasn't weak at all wtf. He had a lot of physical strength and he was smart, and had several jutsus. He lost to Kakashi because it was the first time he encountered the Sharingan. 0_o He thought it could read the future lmao. Hell if it wasn't for Sasuke and Naruto Kakashi may not be here today. O_o

You're basically repeating something that I stated before. I know that Zabuza's not that weak as brandoi was making him out to be.


What about... Itachi vs Pein. 0_o

Since we don't know what he's capable of and that we have of an idea of Itachi's capabilities, I'll say Itachi.

MikeyM1979
07-30-2007, 02:36 PM
Tsuande vs Deidara? Pfft, you act as if being able to fly automatically means you can beat anyone who is a mid to close range fighter. So Deidara was an aerial attacker? Does that mean he owns everyone who doesn't get off the ground? Pfft Once Deidara hits the ground its over for him.And you assume he'd hit the ground in the first place? You're assuming he's never heard of Tsunade and what she can do, as a Legendary Sannin? I'm sure he knows not to mess with her up close and on the ground. I mean really, we've seen what she's capable of. What's she gonna do? Punch the ground and hope some of the pebbles knock him down? I also doubt her healing would do much good considering the level of destruction his attacks have.

Tsunade could easily throw a mountain at Deidara and then we'd see what's up.He'd dodge it. Just like he'd dodge anything else she'd throw at him. He's more than fast enough to dodge Gaara's fast sand, I'm pretty sure he's way more than fast enough to dodge a huge mountain. ZzZzZz.

What about... Itachi vs Pein. 0_oWe don't know what Pein can do. End.

shadow_moon
07-30-2007, 08:49 PM
for itachi vs. pein, its very hard who'd win, it stated pein never defeated in a battle.

MikeyM1979
07-30-2007, 09:11 PM
for itachi vs. pein, its very hard who'd win, it stated pein never defeated in a battle.At the same time, we've never known Itachi to lose a battle either.

doujitsuspecialist1
07-30-2007, 09:29 PM
naruto vs pein if it has not been posted already

ICEman26
07-30-2007, 09:30 PM
Deidara vs. Kakashi... personally I think this would be a great fight.

MikeyM1979
07-30-2007, 09:30 PM
Oh wow. Why the hell are people even mentioning Pein? We've not see what he can do in battle. o_O How annoying.

shadow_moon
07-30-2007, 10:50 PM
Deidara vs. Kakashi... personally I think this would be a great fight.

it possible kakashi would win, it's like scenario w/ sasuke w/ deidara. both sasuke & kakashi has lightning jutsu. lightning > earth. both are advanced sharingan user. except that kakashi cannot fly unlike sasuke.

Nexus
07-31-2007, 10:26 AM
How about this one:

- Jiraiya vs. Deidara

shadow_moon
07-31-2007, 09:03 PM
How about this one:

- Jiraiya vs. Deidara

i'll go for jiraiya, he wil summon gamabunta & will jump over deidara..

ICEman26
07-31-2007, 11:10 PM
How about this one:

- Jiraiya vs. Deidara

Deidara all the way!

SirBenoit
08-01-2007, 07:25 AM
I would have to say jiraiya, more experience, also itachi didnt want any of him. Plus jiraiya seems to have alot of defensive moves that are badass

katonha
08-01-2007, 01:51 PM
Jiraiya vs Deidara would be a good fight. Deidara has some speed to dodge Jiraiya's powerful attacks and experience. And Deidara would have that huge explosive power. Not to mention, Jiraiya doesn't have any lightning jutsus to deactivate the bombs which was a huge part of Sasuke's victory. I don't think Jiraiya has the speed that Sasuke has, so i would have to go with Deidara.:cool:

Anythingavailable
08-01-2007, 02:44 PM
I think I would go with Jiraiya. He's a Sanin, man! He could summon the huge toad. Then the toad could just eat him like a fly with that long tongue of his. ;)

Seriously though, Jiraiya is a pretty tough guy, he was able to keep up in the battle with Oro even though his chakara control was all screwed up due to the drug Tsunade gave him. That says a lot in my mind.

ITzANIllUZion
08-01-2007, 05:36 PM
people say all cause the lightning element..thats like the only way to defeat deidara's mines..well then....
you dont need it..jiraiya will take the win on this fight..

jiraiya can do that hell swamp jutsu to the land...that gets rid or the mines....if deidara is staying in the air...jiraiya can summon gamabunta...then have gamabunta shoot some oil towards deidara..then jiraiya can use a katon jutsu on the oil...to creat a jiant flame thrower....i would also like to see diadara dodge some of gama's huges ass water bullets..

ghost43t
08-01-2007, 06:52 PM
woow did you really say that Jiraiya dont have the speed as sasuke woow lol thats all i have to say

back on topice sasuke big bro is not even tryin to fight jiraiya and seein as how Itachi beat Deidara then i dont think jiraiya would have a problem with him, sasuke got REALLY LUCKY that is all :p

Vengeance
08-01-2007, 09:43 PM
Sasuke didn't get lucky.... he read Deidara like a book... Sasuke will probably grow up to be the most powerful Uchiha to date if he doesn't die; just my opinion. Anyway I give the win to Jiraiya....

MikeyM1979
08-01-2007, 09:56 PM
Sasuke didn't get lucky.... he read Deidara like a book... Anyway I give the win to Jiraiya....Pretty much, yeah. He even kept mocking him lol.

Itachi vs Jiraiya? Jiraiya hasn't really shown me anything that would lead me to think he can beat and own someone like Itachi, so I say Itachi wins.

New fight: Naruto and Sasuke vs Kakashi, all three with intentions to kill. Sasuke can have access to his CS forms all he wants, and Naruto can tap into Kyuubi's powers all he wants.

Vengeance
08-01-2007, 10:11 PM
Naruto & Sasuke vs. Kakashi.... comeon Mikey thats not fair to Kakashi lol. Naruto using his full Kyuubi power should be enough to stop Kakashi by himself... & I personally believe Sasuke can take down Kakashi even if Sasuke doesn't have MKs....

Kakashi may be able to get naruto with his MKs but even if he does he'll be to drained to take down Sasuke after using it. Kakashi wouldn't use MKs against these two as ether fighter would be able to quickly kill Kakashi after his chakra is drained. Kakashi using MKs against Sasuke wouldn't make sense to me because he'll miss with the jutsu & waste his chakra in the process. Kakashi will be forced to use his 1000 jutsu against Sasuke & will run out of chakra before Sasuke does.

Winner: Naruto & Sasuke

Edit: Just wanted to add that Sasuke has better eyes, a stronger body, quicker reflex's, & a much larger chakra supply then Kakashi.

shadow_moon
08-01-2007, 10:17 PM
its a sure win for naruto & sasuke against kakashi. kakashi will having hard time even if they fight one one.

Vengeance
08-01-2007, 10:24 PM
Hehehe just wanted to add something for Naruto sense my last post was pro Sasuke. Would Kakashi risk using MKs against an army of Naruto Clones lol.... Another reason why it would be way to risky for Kakashi to use MKs in this fight.

Edit: If Kakashi were dumb enough to waste his chakra using MKs in a two on one fight he would have to target Sasuke sense he wouldn't know which Naruto was the real one. & like I sed before the jutsu would simply miss...

MikeyM1979
08-01-2007, 10:33 PM
I made this fight because I've seen people here actually say that Kakashi is a Kage/Sannin level ninja. Riiiight. Okay, let's see how he does against the series' two strongest Genins. :)

Vengeance
08-01-2007, 10:53 PM
lol... well I guess I'm one of those people sense I think Tsunade is overrated :P

Edit: just wanted to point out that I think Kakashi can handle Gara who is a Kage. Making Kakashi a Kage level ninja in case this is true... All I'm saying.. :)

Edit2: this also makes Sasuke a kage level ninja sense he defeated someone who stoped Gara without killing him.

Edit3: Now if these people saying Kage level are referring to only Hokages maybe they should re-think what they're saying.

shadow_moon
08-01-2007, 11:11 PM
i don't think kakashi is a kage/sannin level probably above/upper jounin level maybe he has some traits of to be a kage level.

Vengeance
08-01-2007, 11:12 PM
i don't think kakashi is a kage/sannin level probably above/upper jounin level maybe he has some traits of to be a kage level.

So you're saying Gara at his current level can take Kakashi?

MikeyM1979
08-01-2007, 11:18 PM
lol... well I guess I'm one of those people sense I think Tsunade is overrated :PI think for her time, and in her generation, as a female ninja, she was outstanding. Maybe that's why she's a Sannin? She set the bar for other medical ninja, female or male.

Edit: just wanted to point out that I think Kakashi can handle Gara who is a Kage. Making Kakashi a Kage level ninja in case this is true... All I'm saying.. :)

Edit2: this also makes Sasuke a kage level ninja sense he defeated someone who stoped Gara without killing him.Okay, but Gaara was made Kazekage because the previous one was killed. Not because he actually had it coming, or because he deserved it. Also, by that logic then, Sasuke is not only Kage level, but also Sannin level? :p

shadow_moon
08-01-2007, 11:49 PM
So you're saying Gara at his current level can take Kakashi?

gaara w/o shukaku vs. kakashi? i'll go for kakashi

Vengeance
08-01-2007, 11:57 PM
Tsunade was also made Hokage because the 3rd died so does that not also make her undeserving of the title Hokage sense she was also not even the first pick to begin with. She became Hokage based on her reputation as a Sannin alone & at the time she was chosen she would of been useless to Konoha if not for Orochimaru. Yes I sed it she would of been useless to Konoha if she never got over her fear of blood.

Gara on the other hand was hated & feared in his village. His own father(the previous KazeKage) couldn't kill him. Gara became KazeKage because he was the strongest in his village even before his father died. They didn't make him KazeKage out of respect but because of his power & what he could offer the village in terms of protection.

My opinion on the Sannin is that they're all Kage level Ninja that can take on Kage's from the other villages. Konoha has the best ninja which is why they're in power. Sannin is only a title given to the students of the 3rd. It isn't anymore special then Konoha's White Fang or Konoha's Yellow Flash.

So what does it all mean exactly? It means Kakashi is a Kage level ninja with a title of his own (Kakashi the Copy Ninja). Am I saying he can beat the Sannin? yes & no; I think Kakashi can handle Tsunade but not Orochimaru or Jiryah. & about Sasuke; he already beat Orochimaru in his own relm. I think he could also handle Tsunade. As for Jiryah, well thats a harder one to call sense we never saw Jiryah go all out. He never really fought Itachi & he was poisoned while fighting Orochimaru. While we saw Tsunade go all out against Kabuto & Orochimaru; & we saw Orochimaru go all out against the 3rd.

garra.
08-02-2007, 01:11 AM
What about Kabuto vs. Neji before the timeskip,key word is before........

Sincerely garra.

Vengeance
08-02-2007, 01:29 AM
why before....... & why did you have to put two of my favorite characters against each other :(

Anyway sense its before the timeskip Kabuto hands down.... I mean comeon the dude pimped a Sannin.... Neji has a weakness to underground attacks as shown in his fight with Naruto.... Kabuto would simply travel underground grab his legs & bam!! Neji can't walk.... Kabuto stands back & laughs at the Genin for foolishly thinking his Byakugan makes him invincible. Neji would then be crawling on the ground dumbfounded trying to start a rotation but can't. He also can't block & react as quickly without the use of his legs. Kabuto would take this time to kill Neji by use of kuni, snake summoning, or by simply touching his throat.

shadow_moon
08-02-2007, 01:41 AM
kabuto vs. neji before time skip, absolutely kabuto he fought a sannin & anbu at that time.

if the battle occurs after time skip, i'll go for neji.

Vengeance
08-02-2007, 01:51 AM
kabuto vs. neji before time skip, absolutely kabuto he fought a sannin & anbu at that time.

if the battle occurs after time skip, i'll go for neji.

I'd like to agree with you on this but Kabuto has gotten a power boost from Orochimaru's cells. It would be a much closer fight (compared to a pre-timeskip matchup) regardless of who would win. But because of what Kabuto did to his body; I'm kind of thinking Kabuto is going to become uber the next time we see him fight... Or the cells could simply kill his body like an infection.... Or Orochimaru could take him over compleatly & be re-born. But I'm personally gunning for an uber powerful Kabuto.

shadow_moon
08-02-2007, 02:14 AM
I'd like to agree with you on this but Kabuto has gotten a power boost from Orochimaru's cells. It would be a much closer fight (compared to a pre-timeskip matchup) regardless of who would win. But because of what Kabuto did to his body; I'm kind of thinking Kabuto is going to become uber the next time we see him fight... Or the cells could simply kill his body like an infection.... Or Orochimaru could take him over compleatly & be re-born. But I'm personally gunning for an uber powerful Kabuto.

yeah neji would be hard time fighting w/ kabuto with oro cells. neji has a chance of winning before kabuto got oro cells.

garra.
08-02-2007, 02:30 AM
You forget that neji after timeskip can attack from long range now.

Sincerely garra.

Nexus
08-02-2007, 09:12 AM
kabuto vs. neji before time skip, absolutely kabuto he fought a sannin & anbu at that time.

if the battle occurs after time skip, i'll go for neji.

That's not even fair... but then again, Neji did clean up the second strongest sound shinobi, so I say Neji...

Anythingavailable
08-02-2007, 02:26 PM
I think that Kabuto wouild take Neji before the skip. It wouldn't even be that close in my opinion.

Now AFTER the time skip would be a MUCH closer match and one worthy of debate.

katonha
08-02-2007, 03:42 PM
It depends on which one. If you are talking about pre-time skip, Kabuto would win. If you are talking about time-skip Neji vs time-skip Kabuto, then i would have to go with Neji. If it is TS Neji vs Oro cell Kabuto then i really couldn't say, because we haven't really seen what he can do yet. Oro's cells may have been just like a disease to Kabuto for all we know.:cool:

Narutologist
08-02-2007, 03:57 PM
I would say Neji pre time skip and post time skip. Pre time skip Neji was a beast. One hit from him and Kabuto would have been finish. His fighting style coupled with his speed and intelligence would have put him over the edge. I think Kabuto was nice in pre time skip but not that nice. Neji lost to Naruto because he underestimated him…I have yet to see Neji underestimate a villain in the entire series. Post time skip I would say Neji also…but I’m not sure simply because we have not seen much of Kabuto improved skills. Just my thought…

cyc
08-02-2007, 06:03 PM
what!? Pre time skip Neji against Kabuto!? Dang lol yall dont gotta like Kabuto but give him some respect. he wouldve beat neji hands down before the timeskip no question. Kabuto whooped down Tsunade for crying out loud, u think neji could mess with him? post time skip is more debatable though... even though i believe Kabuto would still win. now that he is with orochimarus body(or w/e the hell is going on with him) he's probably coming up with some insane shit. Kabuto >>>> Pre/Post Neji

garra.
08-02-2007, 06:26 PM
Actually @ cyc,the majority of people said that Kabuto would beat post time skip neji so what do you mean in your first sentence?

Also what about Half Shukaku gaara,vs Sasori?

Sincerely garra.

MikeyM1979
08-02-2007, 06:31 PM
Actually @ cyc,the majority of people said that Kabuto would beat post time skip neji
What in the hell? Anyone who believes that should have their heads examined. Seriously. We've not seen Kabuto do anything after the time skip except show he has Orochimaru's eyes. Pre time skip Kabuto vs Pre time skip Neji, I do agree that Kabuto would win, but not by much. Kabuto isn't exactly a long ranged fighter, and I doubt he's fast enough, nor skilled enough in closed quarter combat to do anything to Neji. So he'll have to somehow outsmart Neji and beat him some other way.

Shrike
08-02-2007, 06:35 PM
Pre TS Kabuto would defeat pre TS Neji. Post TS, victory is Neji's. Mostly because Kabuto is melee, and that makes him Neji's prey easily.

Vengeance
08-02-2007, 06:35 PM
I would say Neji pre time skip and post time skip. Pre time skip Neji was a beast. One hit from him and Kabuto would have been finish. His fighting style coupled with his speed and intelligence would have put him over the edge. I think Kabuto was nice in pre time skip but not that nice. Neji lost to Naruto because he underestimated him…I have yet to see Neji underestimate a villain in the entire series. Post time skip I would say Neji also…but I’m not sure simply because we have not seen much of Kabuto improved skills. Just my thought…

The thing you're failing to understand is that Kabuto's chakra scalpels have a similar affect as Neji's Taijutsu if not a deadlier one. There's just no logical reason why Pre-timeskip Neji would even stand a chance against Kabuto. Post Time-skip on the other hand is very much up for debate like others have already sed.

Edit: I would also like to point out that pre-time skip neji is not smarter then Kabuto. Kabuto had info on ALL THE GENIN at that time including Neji. While Neji knows nothing at all about Kabuto. Kabuto would easily know what to do if he fought Neji. But I already made a fake fight for this in an earlier post so I won't repeat it.

garra.
08-02-2007, 06:38 PM
What in the hell? Anyone who believes that should have their heads examined. Seriously. We've not seen Kabuto do anything after the time skip except show he has Orochimaru's eyes. Pre time skip Kabuto vs Pre time skip Neji, I do agree that Kabuto would win, but not by much. Kabuto isn't exactly a long ranged fighter, and I doubt he's fast enough, nor skilled enough in closed quarter combat to do anything to Neji. So he'll have to somehow outsmart Neji and beat him some other way.

Sorry I meant pre timeskip neji.........

Vengeance
08-02-2007, 07:03 PM
Half Shukaku gaara,vs Sasori???

a blood thirsty Gaara in a partial transformation vs. Sasori the strongest person to ever come out of the land of wind.... I'd say Sasori's puppet of the KazeKage would be enough to stop Gaara in a partial transformation who wouldn't be using his sand shield....

Edit: just wanted to add that Gaara was most likely stronger in his fight with Deidara then he was when he had a partial transformation against Naruto & Sasuke. Which is the only real time he fought like that.... Post timeskip Gaara wouldn't allow Shukaku to take over him like that...

Edit2: Just wondering why you would pick a weaker version of Gaara to go up against Sasori.....

katonha
08-02-2007, 07:27 PM
Half Shukaku gaara,vs Sasori???

a blood thirsty Gaara in a partial transformation vs. Sasori the strongest person to ever come out of the land of wind.... I'd say Sasori's puppet of the KazeKage would be enough to stop Gaara in a partial transformation who wouldn't be using his sand shield....

Edit: just wanted to add that Gaara was most likely stronger in his fight with Deidara then he was when he had a partial transformation against Naruto & Sasuke. Which is the only real time he fought like that.... Post timeskip Gaara wouldn't allow Shukaku to take over him like that...

Edit2: Just wondering why you would pick a weaker version of Gaara to go up against Sasori.....

Pre-time skip Naruto beat Half Shukaku Gaara. Sasori would kill HS Gaara in a second. Sasori would be way to fast and would cut right through Gaara's sand with the Kazekage's sand. That one is an easy match.:cool:

Vengeance
08-02-2007, 07:28 PM
Pre-time skip Naruto beat Half Shukaku Gaara. Sasori would kill HS Gaara in a second. Sasori would be way to fast and would cut right through Gaara's sand with the Kazekage's sand. That one is an easy match.:cool:

Yeah I agree :)

Edit: Next fight; Gaara post time-skip with Shukaku vs. Tsunade.

Hehehe Sorry but I just had to bring this up... I'm going for Gaara on this one. Tsunade is a medical Ninja who's basically all taijutsu. She's never shown above average speed in fighting aswell. & She doesn't have super strong skin to withstand a desert coffin. While Gara can fly on sand & do all of his other cool tricks that he does. It wouldn't be to hard for him to get Tsunade in a desert coffin to finish this fight.

Edit2: He could also turn the battle ground into sand while flying on his little cloud of sand then submerge Tsunade 20 feet into the ground with ease... Again I say desert coffin.

katonha
08-02-2007, 07:48 PM
Yeah I agree :)

Edit: Next fight; Gaara post time-skip with Shukaku vs. Tsunade.

Hehehe Sorry but I just had to bring this up... I'm going for Gaara on this one. Tsunade is a medical Ninja who's basically all taijutsu. She's never shown above average speed in fighting aswell. & She doesn't have super strong skin to withstand a desert coffin. While Gara can fly on sand & do all of his other cool tricks that he does. It wouldn't be to hard for him to get Tsunade in a desert coffin to finish this fight.

Edit2: He could also turn the battle ground into sand while flying on his little cloud of sand then submerge Tsunade 20 feet into the ground with ease... Again I say desert coffin.

To me this is a hard one. I mean, it is possible that Tsunades strength could be strong enough to bust through a wall of Gaara's sand. And if he goes in the air, She could summon Katsuya(like a lot of you say). Summoning would help a lot, remember how Naruto got out of a Desert Coffin by summoning Gamabunta. This fight is hard for me to decide.:cool:

Vizard Killer
08-02-2007, 07:51 PM
If naruto beat shukaku's full form with gamabuntan at a mere age of 12 tsnade can do it to. She is more powerful than gai and gai shoved garra's sand like it was nothing and she can summon katsuya and hit garra with poison.

Vengeance
08-02-2007, 07:54 PM
To me this is a hard one. I mean, it is possible that Tsunades strength could be strong enough to bust through a wall of Gaara's sand. And if he goes in the air, She could summon Katsuya(like a lot of you say). Summoning would help a lot, remember how Naruto got out of a Desert Coffin by summoning Gamabunta. This fight is hard for me to decide.:cool:

good point about her summoning. I guess the question should be can Katsuya with stand being swallowed by a lake of sand created by Gaara followed by a massive desert coffin shortly after.


If naruto beat shukaku's full form with gamabuntan at a mere age of 12 tsnade can do it to. She is more powerful than gai and gai shoved garra's sand like it was nothing and she can summon katsuya and hit garra with poison.

Dude are you kidding me? all Naruto did was punch Gaara to wake him up. Gaara was clearly stronger in his fight with Deidara then he was in that one. I'm talking about a Gaara that had full control of his actions. He's clearly shown allot more skill while using his sand after that fight with Naruto on more then one occasion.

MikeyM1979
08-02-2007, 07:57 PM
good point about her summoning. I guess the question should be can Katsuya with stand being swallowed by a lake of sand created by Gaara followed by a massive desert coffin shortly after.She can just go into mini mode and toss acid all around, burning up the sand. Easy counter right there. And I'm fairly positive that Tsunade can wreck Gaara's sand walls with just her brute strength. Hell, Sakura punched around that iron sand thing like nothing, I'm sure Tsunade would treat Gaara's sand like a play pin. She wins.

Vengeance
08-02-2007, 08:04 PM
She can just go into mini mode and toss acid all around, burning up the sand. Easy counter right there. And I'm fairly positive that Tsunade can wreck Gaara's sand walls with just her brute strength. Hell, Sakura punched around that iron sand thing like nothing, I'm sure Tsunade would treat Gaara's sand like a play pin. She wins.

You need leverage to throw punches like that now if Tsunade is already caught in the sand starting with the feet first could she brake threw? I'm talking about her getting swallowed by the sand like he did to Kimimaro Kaguya. Tsunade wouldn't have the leverage needed to even move while in that state. However the Acid thing is a valid point but what good would the slug splitting up do if its pieces can't go anywhere because they're caught in a giant sand trap?

Edit: I can see how the acid can help Tsunade win this fight but I'm not sure if it'll be enough. Tsunade would have to rely heavly on her summon to even stand a chance but I could see her winning with it. But my vote still stands with Gaara.

MikeyM1979
08-02-2007, 08:18 PM
Leverage? She can use her huge strength with just a flick of her finger. I know she can do so in a tight situation.

Vengeance
08-02-2007, 08:19 PM
Leverage? She can use her huge strength with just a flick of her finger. I know she can do so in a tight situation.

While the rest of her body is being crushed to bits I don't think so. Not if she's 20 feet or more underground.

MikeyM1979
08-02-2007, 08:21 PM
While the rest of her body is being crushed to bits I don't think so. Not if she's 20 feet or more underground.And you actually see her allowing Gaara to do this? Because I don't.

Vengeance
08-02-2007, 08:23 PM
And you actually see her allowing Gaara to do this? Because I don't.

Not allow but she wouldn't be able to avoid it. He would turn the entire battle field into sand she'd have no were to go.

MikeyM1979
08-02-2007, 08:24 PM
Not allow but she wouldn't be able to avoid it. He would turn the entire battle field into sand she'd have no were to go.Yeah, you're now assuming he has some sort of location advantage here. Which wasn't really stated, now was it? :p

Vengeance
08-02-2007, 08:26 PM
Yeah, you're now assuming he has some sort of location advantage here. Which wasn't really stated, now was it? :p

In his fight with kimimarou he turned grasslands into a vally of sand.... Should be the same no matter the location.

MikeyM1979
08-02-2007, 08:29 PM
In his fight with kimimarou he turned grasslands into a vally of sand.... Should be the same no matter the location.
So you're pretty much saying that any fight Gaara is involved in MUST have grass around or sand? Not all battlefields are like that. Sounds like that's what you want it to be in order for Gaara to have the advantage against her.

Vengeance
08-02-2007, 08:36 PM
So you're pretty much saying that any fight Gaara is involved in MUST have grass around or sand? Not all battlefields are like that. Sounds like that's what you want it to be in order for Gaara to have the advantage against her.

No not really lets say a city... now whats under the cement making up the roads? dirt right? What did Gaara use to make the sand? Dirt right? What I'm saying is Gaara can level cities with his power if he wanted to creating a valley of sand. You want them to fight up high on top of a mountain or something? Ok then how will Tsunade summon Katsuya in a mountain area like that? It wouldn't be able to move & would probably fall off the mountain anyway. Also its not out of the question that Gaara couldn't use the mountain as material for more sand. Sense Rock is also a part of earth. Aren't Gaara's jutsu's earth based?

Trey
08-02-2007, 08:38 PM
Sasori would win, since he will be able to keep under control when shit hits the fan.

Nexus
08-02-2007, 08:41 PM
Here's a good one:

- Shikamaru vs. Kakashi

Trey
08-02-2007, 08:43 PM
Depending on the terrian. If there's not alot of cover, Shikamaru is done.

Vengeance
08-02-2007, 08:44 PM
Shikamaru vs. Kakashi eekk...

Which one has less Chakra? lol.... It depends if wether or not Shikamaru has time to prepare for there fight or not..... If no preparation is allowed I'll say Kakashi hands down would own Shikamaru.... Now if Shikamaru is allowed to research Kakashi & prepare there battle ground to be in his favor then I'd say Shikamaru.

Edit: I also agree with Trey's last statement.

shadow_moon
08-02-2007, 09:03 PM
for shikamaru vs. kakashi

i'll go for kakashi. shikamaru would have a chance of winning if he prepare for the battle and also if the battle take too long shikamaru would be able analyze kakashi's moves.

i doubt kakashi would make the battle too long. he'll just use assasin style in defeating shikamaru.

doujitsuspecialist1
08-02-2007, 09:45 PM
shik vs kakashi, the more experience genuis would win

garra.
08-02-2007, 09:46 PM
Half Shukaku gaara,vs Sasori???

a blood thirsty Gaara in a partial transformation vs. Sasori the strongest person to ever come out of the land of wind.... I'd say Sasori's puppet of the KazeKage would be enough to stop Gaara in a partial transformation who wouldn't be using his sand shield....

Edit: just wanted to add that Gaara was most likely stronger in his fight with Deidara then he was when he had a partial transformation against Naruto & Sasuke. Which is the only real time he fought like that.... Post timeskip Gaara wouldn't allow Shukaku to take over him like that...

Edit2: Just wondering why you would pick a weaker version of Gaara to go up against Sasori.....



You forget that gaara has all that sand around him as defense he dosnt need a shield but I think sasori would win any way...


What about,hidan vs sasori............


Sincerely garra.

Ps:If sasori is as great as you say he is why do you think he was beaten by a stupid pink hair girl and a old grandma who would probly lose to half transformed shukaku gaara......

Nexus
08-02-2007, 09:55 PM
Hmm... I say... Sasori since it'll take Hidan some time to obtain and taste his blood (which would be tough because Sasori's expert-level puppetry wouldn't allow him to get that close).

shadow_moon
08-02-2007, 10:03 PM
what? are you kidding me hidan vs sasori.

definitely sasori, how can hidan get some blood on sasori, he's almost a puppet.
sasori would win w/o using 3rd kazekage, he'll just use his hiruko i think the scorpion-like puppet.

doujitsuspecialist1
08-02-2007, 10:18 PM
the 4th vs today's kakashi

shadow_moon
08-02-2007, 10:34 PM
my vote for 4th

Vengeance
08-02-2007, 11:18 PM
the 4th vs today's kakashi

Ummm... yeah... the 4th... do I really need to state why.....

shadow_moon
08-02-2007, 11:34 PM
does orochimaru vs. sasori already discussed?

snakes vs. puppets, it's hard to pick remember when oro fought 4 tailed naruto he uses those snakes..

garra.
08-03-2007, 12:17 AM
Sasuke vs gaara after the time skip..............and yes gaara still has his demon.

Sincerely garra.

Vengeance
08-03-2007, 01:02 AM
You forget that gaara has all that sand around him as defense he dosnt need a shield but I think sasori would win any way...


What about,hidan vs sasori............


Sincerely garra.

Ps:If sasori is as great as you say he is why do you think he was beaten by a stupid pink hair girl and a old grandma who would probly lose to half transformed shukaku gaara......

Why did I say that about Sasori you ask? hehehe....


1. High Consul Member: The Third kazekage was considered the strongest ever by far...

Sasori killed this Kazekage


2. Chiyo: I thought so. This puppet can preform Sandaime's jutsu.

Sasori:It's been awhile sense you last saw it, hasn't it? The jutsu for which the Sandaime was hailed as the strongest ever, no less. You'll be dead in no time.

Chiyo: The most feared Jutsu there ever was in Sunagakure. "Satetsu! iron sand"

Chiyo: Only Sasori can make a Hitokugutsu, & with that he can use all jutsu his victims were capable in life.

His Kazekage puppet was a Hitokugutsu puppet that could preform all of the jutsu that the 3rd Kazekage could including its most powerful jutsu "Satetsu! iron sand". Giving Sasori the power of the 3rd Kazekage. Only Sasori can make this type of puppet which means he surpassed Chiyo in puppet mastery.


3. Chiyo: Of course, you put poison in the iron sand.

With an added poison affect added to this puppet Sasori has made the 3rd Kazekage most feared attack even deadlier. Making the puppet stronger then the 3rd Kazekage was when he was alive. Not to mention all the other modifications he made to this puppet.


4. Ok I'll stop quoting the manga for the rest. It was a two on one fight.


5.Both Chiyo & Sakura got poisoned by Sasori. Sakura was the one who made the antidote.


6.Sakura would have died against Sasori's first puppet if she had fought him alone. Chiyo would have died against the 3rd Kazekage puppet if she fought alone. Lets even go so far to say she managed to stop it alone. She would of died against Sasori's army when she got poisoned.


7.Chiyo used Sakura as a puppet which wouldn't happen if Chiyo & Sasori had fought one on one.

8. Sakura's raw power destroyed the 3rd Kazekage puppet not Chiyo.

9. Chiyo could control 10 puppets while Sasori had an army of puppets.

10. Sakura saved Chiyo's life by taking a poisoned sword to the stomach.

11. Now why exactly did he lose then? Again it was a two on one fight. He was angered that Chiyo would give Sakura the antidote even though Chiyo was also poisoned. He lost focus & allowed himself to be stabbed by his puppet parents. Chiyo also stated that Sasori saw the attack coming but for some reason didn't dodge it. Sasori wanted to die.


Edit: Ok I noticed some other fights were posted while I was looking for info to backup my claim that Sasori is the strongest Ninja to come out of the land of wind.


hidan vs sasori

Ok seriously what blood would hidan get from a puppet Sasori... Not that Hiden would even get close enough to even swing his weapon at Sasori.... Winner: Sasori; Hidan sucks....


orochimaru vs. sasori

Hmm... Lets say Orochimaru isn't sickly for this one... Sasori still wins as all he needs is one hit to immobilize Orochimaru. Though Orochimaru is a fast guy I think Sasori's Kazekage puppet should be enough. Even if Orochimaru found a way to beat this one he wouldn't get passed Sasori's army. I think Sasori was the squad leader when they were partners.


Sasuke vs gaara

*Sighs*... can Sasuke summon Manda or is he dead for this fight.... Ether way I'm giving this fight to Sasuke sense its already proven that Lighting beats earth. Gaara uses sand which is earth. & Sasuke defeated Deidara & wasn't trying to kill him... While Deidara defeated gaara & wasn't trying to kill him.


Edit2: damnit I hate missing this stuff.... ok about Chiyo & Sakura losing to a partial transformed gaara.... are you serious... dude Gaara only used that tec while fighting a chakra drained & weaker Sasuke & a very lame version of Naruto... Gaara post time skip has control over shukaku & wouldn't allow himself to be taken over by it. Plus Sakura post timeskip & Chiyo can both beat that version of Gaara with ease..... Your not even saying a Gaara thats asleep with shukaku fully in control or a post time skip gaara were he has control over skukaku's power... give me a brake...

garra.
08-03-2007, 01:32 AM
Tell me how sakura and chiyo would beat half shukaku gaara.
Gaara could just knock sakira out with that big arm and have it slowly crush and what is chyo going to do......
Sincerely garra.

Vengeance
08-03-2007, 01:51 AM
Tell me how sakura and chiyo would beat half shukaku gaara.
Gaara could just knock sakira out with that big arm and have it slowly crush and what is chyo going to do......
Sincerely garra.

Dude... again are you serious?

Sakura post time-skip vs. a partial transformed gaara

Ummm... Maybe because that version of Gaara got beaten by Naruto. A verson of Naruto who is a loud mouth genin who sucks & was injured because he had a fight with Neji earlier. Sakura post time-skip has superhuman strength, is a medical ninja, Is really smart, & is no were near the same person she was before the time skip. While Gaara in that state losses himself & can't really control his actions making him a very reckless & stupid fighter.


Chiyo vs. a partial transformed Gaara.

Chiyo is an elder puppet master who taught Sasori. Chiyo is not weak; also poison kills in one hit enough sed. Look above about Gaara.


Now put Gaara in the same situation that Sasari was in... a two on one fight... Enough sed.....

garra.
08-03-2007, 03:04 AM
You are serious!Aren't you wow.........

Naruto beat him because he as about infinite chakra............

and unless you didn't know whenin half shukaku form a thick layer of sand is covering him...................which pretects from posion..............

I am pretty sure that the naruto that beat shukaku gaara could beat after time skip sakura........

Sincerely garra.

Vengeance
08-03-2007, 07:46 AM
You are serious!Aren't you wow.........

Naruto beat him because he as about infinite chakra............

and unless you didn't know whenin half shukaku form a thick layer of sand is covering him...................which pretects from posion..............

I am pretty sure that the naruto that beat shukaku gaara could beat after time skip sakura........

Sincerely garra.

LoL.... That version of Naruto would die after one hit from Sakura post time-skip... Give the girl more credit then that... Naruto was such a spazz back then & had no skill as a ninja. He couldn't even use Rasengan at that point...

DGLG
08-03-2007, 08:06 AM
Kisame vs. Suigetsu(or whatever his name is)

Well...Sui can turn into water and Kisame uses water jutsu's. Sui would win for sure. Combine himself and Kisame's water jutsu to get close to him just to stab him with Zabusa's blade.

shadow_moon
08-03-2007, 09:33 PM
Kisame vs. Suigetsu i think it's already discussed it.

MikeyM1979
08-03-2007, 09:47 PM
Kisame vs Suigetsu? I don't know exactly what Suigetsu can do, so it's kind of tough. I know he has Zabuza's sword, and he can turn into water. Soo, I really doubt Kisame's water jutsus would be effective against him in any way. I think their fight would be mostly sword fighting. I kind of expect Suigetsu to beat Kisame. I mean, yes, Kisame has a butt load of chakra, but what good is it if his water jutsus do nothing to the enemy? Plus, Suigetsu is of this generation. Kisame is of the previous generation.

Vengeance
08-03-2007, 10:54 PM
Kisame vs Suigetsu? I don't know exactly what Suigetsu can do, so it's kind of tough. I know he has Zabuza's sword, and he can turn into water. Soo, I really doubt Kisame's water jutsus would be effective against him in any way. I think their fight would be mostly sword fighting. I kind of expect Suigetsu to beat Kisame. I mean, yes, Kisame has a butt load of chakra, but what good is it if his water jutsus do nothing to the enemy? Plus, Suigetsu is of this generation. Kisame is of the previous generation.

Yeah I kind of agree with you. I personally think suigetsu character was created to fight Kisame.

garra.
08-04-2007, 01:10 AM
LoL.... That version of Naruto would die after one hit from Sakura post time-skip... Give the girl more credit then that... Naruto was such a spazz back then & had no skill as a ninja. He couldn't even use Rasengan at that point...

Actually after saskura would hit him the fox would probley heal him...

Sakura can't handle all thos punches from all those clones that naruto used on shukaku...........

I am also sure that sakura can't handle an explosive kurenai in her but..................

You give naruto to less credit.............he can summon gama bunta on her ass..........

Sincerely garra.

Ps:What about four tails naruto vs sasuke in cs2 form............and lets just say that just for this fight sasuke can't surpress the demon.........This is after the timeskip of course..........

MikeyM1979
08-04-2007, 01:13 AM
Was one of the fights I missed pre-time skip Naruto vs post time skip Sakura? Oh my. Sakura would kill him in one hit. And uh, Kyuubi would heal him if the hit didn't actually KILL him on the spot. Kyuubi heals, it doesn't revive. >.>

And, I'm not even gonna comment, gaara, on your suggestion. Why? Because I think it's pretty dumb that we should give Naruto any sort of advantage and stipulation against Sasuke. If they're to fight, don't put dumb stupilations like that.

garra.
08-04-2007, 01:23 AM
Well................if jirya can take a full force hit from tsunade............that almost killed him then naruto can survive a hit from sakura.......

And if your going to say that you minus well as not comented at all.......

I think 4 tails naruto would win.........

Sincerely garra.

MikeyM1979
08-04-2007, 01:30 AM
Well................if jirya can take a full force hit from tsunade............that almost killed him then naruto can survive a hit from sakura.......Yeah, except Naruto is leagues below Jiraiya. Jiraiya could probably take a hit from Tsunade, assuming she isn't hitting with intent to kill. But pre-time skip Naruto cannot take a hit like that from post time skip Sakura. That's just ridiculous.

And if your going to say that you minus well as not comented at all.......

I think 4 tails naruto would win.........

Sincerely garra.I'll comment then, just not by YOUR stipulations. Make it a fair match. I'd assume Naruto would put up a good fight, but Sasuke would win.

Sasuke is: way faster, has CS forms, has an advanced Sharingan, can summon Manda, has lightning and fire jutsus, has snake jutsus, has very strong genjutsu, has good taijutsu, can fly, has a teleporting jutsu, can suppress Kyuubi, can enter minds, has two forms of Chidori, that we know of, has the abilities and powers of Orochimaru combined with his own which also means he can heal fast, and lastly, he's defeated Orochimaru and Deidara.

'Kay. You're turn.

Edit: I guess I'll truly be fair here.

Naruto has: more physical power, way more chakra, way more stamina, partial Kyuubi power, can summon Gamabunta, has three forms of Rasengan.

Damn, that's all I can come up with? o_O

garra.
08-04-2007, 01:44 AM
See now all that stuff he has wouldn't madder if he couldn't surpess the kyubus chakra naruto 4th tail would kill him..............all that stuff sasuke has and you say I'm making it unfair that he can't surpess kybuis chakra?

LOL

Sincerely garra.

MikeyM1979
08-04-2007, 01:45 AM
See now all that stuff he has wouldn't madder if he couldn't surpess the kyubus chakra naruto 4th tail would kill him..............all that stuff sasuke has and you say I'm making it unfair that he can't surpess kybuis chakra?

LOL

Sincerely garra.They're both Genin, and both of the same age group. They both have similar abilities. I don't see how anyone can put handicaps in a fight for Naruto against Sasuke. You act like as if Kyuubi is the only thing Naruto has to rely on against Sasuke.

garra.
08-04-2007, 01:56 AM
Well um actually it is............and now because that made to strong sharingian by kishimoto he can't rely on that ethier.........

Sincerely garra.

Ps:Do you really think a regular no kyubi naruto could fight agianst cs2 sasuke!

Double Ps:Oh and you never said anthing about my last last post,like how is sakura going to survive a explosive kurinai in her but,also all those punchs and kicks from all those clones.........

And it's not like naruto can't doege he can doege sakura's attack...

Also with about 200 clones how is sakura going to hit the right one........

Oh and how will she survive gama bunta........with that soft ass slug I think not......

MikeyM1979
08-04-2007, 02:05 AM
Well um actually it is............and now because that made to strong sharingian by kishimoto he can't rely on that ethier.........

Sincerely garra.

Ps:Do you really think a regular no kyubi naruto could fight agianst cs2 sasuke!Yeah. He has major chakra and clones. And, Rasengan. Go Naruto. lol

Double Ps:Oh and you never said anthing about my last last post,like how is sakura going to survive a explosive kurinai in her but,also all those punchs and kicks from all those clones.........She used an explosive kunai when fighting Sasori and survived to help Chiyo beat him. What makes you think she can't take that kind of explosive power again?

And it's not like naruto can't doege he can doege sakura's attack...Yeah, except in part 1, he's clumbsy and slow.

Also with about 200 clones how is sakura going to hit the right one........She's smart, she's not dumb. Neji pin pointed exactly which of the clones was Naruto based on the fact that the one who moved the least and avoided contact with him was the real one, and he was right. I'm pretty positive Sakura can think up the same thing.

Oh and how will she survive gama bunta........with that soft ass slug I think not......You're assuming she'd even let him summon Gamabunta. o_O And really, this is Naruto we're talking about here. He wouldn't lay a finger on her. It'd be a mix of her kicking his ass because she simply can, and because he holds back.

AnticitizenOne
08-04-2007, 02:14 AM
She's smart, she's not dumb. Neji pin pointed exactly which of the clones was Naruto based on the fact that the one who moved the least and avoided contact with him was the real one, and he was right. I'm pretty positive Sakura can think up the same thing.
Are you really that confused? Naruto tricked him using that the first time, the only reason Neji closed his chakra points is because he just destroyed all of the clones and realized that must have been the real one.

P.S. And what do you mean "which one of the clones was Naruto"? I thought Naruto was the one who wasn't a clone of himself.

MikeyM1979
08-04-2007, 02:16 AM
Are you really that confused? Naruto tricked him using that the first time, the only reason Neji closed his chakra points is because he just destroyed all of the clones and realized that must have been the real one.
I forgot. >.> Still, she isn't dumb. I'm sure she'd find a way through his clones. I mean, even if she has to bust'em all up. This is post time skip Sakura. She won't just stand there going S-SASUKE KUN. She will get down and whip someone's ass. And unfortunetely, that someone is pre-time skip Naruto. :p

AnticitizenOne
08-04-2007, 02:22 AM
I forgot. >.> Still, she isn't dumb. I'm sure she'd find a way through his clones. I mean, even if she has to bust'em all up. This is post time skip Sakura. She won't just stand there going S-SASUKE KUN. She will get down and whip someone's ass. And unfortunetely, that someone is pre-time skip Naruto. :p
Well, I suppose she would have done that if she were pre-timeskip sakura, especially since that's all she really ever did in pre-timeskip was go "S-SASUKE-KUN!" That and Naruto. Anyway just to contribute to the argument at hand I say if Naruto had a chance to power up to 1-tail form before the fight started (given proper motivation from an outside source), he'd have a solid chance of winning. In any other case, Sakura wins.

MikeyM1979
08-04-2007, 02:27 AM
Yes, Anti. :D

As for the clones, you know, she could always just bust up the ground and watch all of'em poof away in mass. She's done it during Shippuuden, I'd imagine it'd be easier for her against a pre-time skip Naruto.

AnticitizenOne
08-04-2007, 02:32 AM
Yes, Anti. :D

As for the clones, you know, she could always just bust up the ground and watch all of'em poof away in mass. She's done it during Shippuuden, I'd imagine it'd be easier for her against a pre-time skip Naruto.
Not sure the ground would get any more resistant if Kakashi was hiding in it, but okay. It's been proven time after time that someone skilled enough can either destroy all of the clones at once or just avoid attack after attack as they come. Kimimaro, Raiga, everyone worthwile who fought them could go through the shadow clones in their own way most of the time with ease.

garra.
08-04-2007, 03:02 AM
That bust up thing wouldn't work because they are in the forest and most of the clonse are on the trees..........look no one can survive a kurinai in the but

there but-legs-bottom stomach would all have a big hole in it........

Also if she got punched by all those clones..........like half shukaku gaara did then she would be done...........

Also the summoning justu takes a second he could summon gama in no time......

Sincerely garra.

Vengeance
08-04-2007, 08:32 AM
Ok Ok OK I went to sleep I can't believe people are still talking about Naruto pre-timeskip without rasengan vs. post time-skip Sakura... about the clones people she can destroy them with one hit to the ground by making a shock wave. She's done this before to post time-skip Naruto clones. Or she could also start destroying random trees until she has enough room to clearly see when Naruto attacks. Almost everyone who fights Naruto & his clones at that time kick there asses with ease. Allot of these people who totally pwn Naruto's lame clones are genin. The reason Gaara couldn't like I've been saying is because in the state he was in he's stuck in a blood rage & can't control his actions nore think clearly. While Sakura can clearly take heavy amounts of damage now & can kill this Naruto with one hit. Mind you in all of his fights Naruto always gets hit allot; & I'm not just talking about his clones. Naruto only has access to a low amount of the fox's power. So he can't go all crazy tailed fox mode. This stupid argument started because I claimed Sasori was the strongest to ever come out of the land of wind. I still haven't seen any creditable reasons why Gaara would be stronger then him "Gaara". Please read my post about why I sed this about Sasori & let go of your illusion that Naruto pre-timeskip was god like.

Edit: about summoning Gama.. lol thats if he's lucky enough to bring it out in the first place. Also what makes you think Sakura can't summon Tsunade's slug sense Naruto can summon Gama & Sasuke can summon Manda it only makes sense that Sakura would also have a summon. Gama wouldn't fight the slug because they're friends. & Gama wouldn't fight a teenage girl because of his pride. He'd ask Naruto to handle the situation himself.


Edit2: To Gaara

You are serious!Aren't you wow.........

Naruto beat him because he as about infinite chakra............

and unless you didn't know whenin half shukaku form a thick layer of sand is covering him...................which pretects from posion..............

I am pretty sure that the naruto that beat shukaku gaara could beat after time skip sakura........

Sincerely garra.

Ok Gaara with the sand on him riiiight... Of course I know that... But I also know that Naruto's punches was enough to brake it down & that Sasuke Chidori was enough to also brake it down somewhat. Do you even know how powerful Chiyo or Sasori's puppets are? or are you thinking of a much weaker puppet master called Kankoru? I'm tired of this man that version of Gaara was weak I can't believe you're defending it like this.

MikeyM1979
08-04-2007, 02:19 PM
I still kind of need to laugh at the comment left about how Kyuubi would heal Naruto if Sakura hit him with the intent to kill lol. Tsunade sent Naruto flying with the flick of her finger. And of course, Tsunade was in no way serious. Yet Naruto was on the ground. I think all Sakura needs to do is just look at the clones the wrong way and they'll all poof away. :p

Anyway, new fight: post time skip Gaara & Chiyo w/Sakura's body vs Sasori w/no intentions of dying.

GO!

shiki-fuujin
08-04-2007, 03:34 PM
what thats stupid how can that even be conciderd

MikeyM1979
08-04-2007, 03:37 PM
what thats stupid how can that even be conciderdComment on the fight or just don't at all.

Nexus
08-04-2007, 04:38 PM
Anyway, new fight: post time skip Gaara & Chiyo w/Sakura's body vs Sasori w/no intentions of dying.

With those heavy odds against Sasori, I'll have no choice other than to say that he would lose. Gaara (with the Ichibi intact), grandma Chiyo (elite puppeteer that knows a lot about Sasori's tactics) and Sakura (with that Wonder Woman strength)... Sasori would have to lose.

AnticitizenOne
08-04-2007, 05:03 PM
Wait, if Sakura and Chiyo could defeat Sasori, then Sakura, Chiyo, and post-timeskip Gaara could defeat him. I would love to see Sasori's puppets going up against some of Gaara's best attacks. Like Ryuusa Bakuryu. Overall Sasori couldn't win against those odds.

garra.
08-04-2007, 06:02 PM
Ok Ok OK I went to sleep I can't believe people are still talking about Naruto pre-timeskip without rasengan vs. post time-skip Sakura... about the clones people she can destroy them with one hit to the ground by making a shock wave. She's done this before to post time-skip Naruto clones. Or she could also start destroying random trees until she has enough room to clearly see when Naruto attacks. Almost everyone who fights Naruto & his clones at that time kick there asses with ease. Allot of these people who totally pwn Naruto's lame clones are genin. The reason Gaara couldn't like I've been saying is because in the state he was in he's stuck in a blood rage & can't control his actions nore think clearly. While Sakura can clearly take heavy amounts of damage now & can kill this Naruto with one hit. Mind you in all of his fights Naruto always gets hit allot; & I'm not just talking about his clones. Naruto only has access to a low amount of the fox's power. So he can't go all crazy tailed fox mode. This stupid argument started because I claimed Sasori was the strongest to ever come out of the land of wind. I still haven't seen any creditable reasons why Gaara would be stronger then him "Gaara". Please read my post about why I sed this about Sasori & let go of your illusion that Naruto pre-timeskip was god like.

Edit: about summoning Gama.. lol thats if he's lucky enough to bring it out in the first place. Also what makes you think Sakura can't summon Tsunade's slug sense Naruto can summon Gama & Sasuke can summon Manda it only makes sense that Sakura would also have a summon. Gama wouldn't fight the slug because they're friends. & Gama wouldn't fight a teenage girl because of his pride. He'd ask Naruto to handle the situation himself.


Edit2: To Gaara



Ok Gaara with the sand on him riiiight... Of course I know that... But I also know that Naruto's punches was enough to brake it down & that Sasuke Chidori was enough to also brake it down somewhat. Do you even know how powerful Chiyo or Sasori's puppets are? or are you thinking of a much weaker puppet master called Kankoru? I'm tired of this man that version of Gaara was weak I can't believe you're defending it like this.



Look I never said that sasori would lose to gaara half shukaku..............

But of course narutos punches would break that sand down um lets see there was about like 200 clones all punching him and kicking him..................anyone would die from that.......naruto's strength 200 times......

If I made 200 clones of my self I could lift a truck...............and I 'm just a human he is a ninja.................naruto's punches and kicks,would screw after time skip sakura up.................

And remember when naruto was about to get desert coffined by gaara.........

yea............he summoned gama bunta pretty quick then...........

The same would go for when sakura is about to punch him..............

Sincerely Near.

Ps:What about,after timeskip gaara vs before time skip naruto ...........

Sincerely garra.

AnticitizenOne
08-04-2007, 08:25 PM
yea............he summoned gama bunta pretty quick then...........
He was making the necessary seals the entire time, because that's what he needed to do to activate his Kuchiyose no Jutsu.
The same would go for when sakura is about to punch him..............
No way he could make all of those seals at once and then use the incantation, bite his thumb for the blood, and then put it on the ground for the summoning seal in the time it takes for Sakura to punch.
Sincerely Near.

Vengeance
08-04-2007, 08:26 PM
post time skip Gaara & Chiyo w/Sakura's body vs Sasori w/no intentions of dying.

How many antidotes is Sakura allowed to have on her? I'll start with 3 sense it's a 3 vs. 1.

Gaara can help protect the group with his sand from allot of Sasori's puppet attacks. Gaara could also create diamonds to make his sand stronger; helping to protect against Sasori's Iron Sand. He probably wouldn't want to change the terrain to sand unless Chiyo & Sakura were out of harms way. Gaara could always ask them to step to the side before doing this. But it also depends on were they're fighting. Gaara could fly with the aid of his sand & help carry the team out of harms way.

Chiyo with Sakura would use the same strategy as before. Though I'd suggest Chiyo use her other puppets along with Sakura. Maybe start with Sukura, "Father", & "Mother" instead of just Sukura sense Gaara is there to help protect the group. Sakura should give everyone there antidote vials right away & explain to them the length of time that it'll make them immune to Sasori's poison.

Sasori would need to take this very seriously if he wants to survive. & w/no intentions of dying he should also have a stronger intent to kill. He'll need to get his body out of Hiruko right away. With Gaara there it would be foolish to remain in that puppet for very long. If He could remove himself from Hiruko without destroying it, it would help having that extra puppet to control. Sasori is the most skilled puppet master we've seen & he'll also need to remove himself from it anyway for maintenance purpose's. So I'll assume he can also do this for battle purposes as well. Sasori should start out using Hiruko, Kazekage, & at least 15 other puppet's to help mix in with himself, Hirkuo & Kazekage. This will give Sasori allot more directions to attack from.

Location of the fight; Ok I think this fight should take place out side to help both Gaara & Sasori use there fullest fighting potentials. Sasori would want the fight outside in case they started in a cave because of Gaara's abilities. It'll be harder for him to move all his puppets around in an enclosed space. While outside Gaara would have more room to move around on his sand clouds. Ether place's Gaara could turn the terrain into sand. Though it would be allot more dangerous in a cave because Chiyo & Sakura are there.


How is this fight going to play out & who would win; Sasori removes himself from Hiruko & summons Kazekage along with 15 other puppets. Gaara stands in front of Chiyo & Sakura. Chiyo summons Mother & Father. Sasori stands there & waits for there first move. Chiyo commands Father, Mother & Sakura to attack Sasori & his puppets. Gaara commands his sand to move with Chiyo's puppets. Sasori, Kazekage, & Hiruko split off into 3 different directions with 5 puppets each making up 3 squads of 6. Mother & Father go after Kazekage while Sakura goes after Hiruko. Sasori with his 5 go after Gaara & Chiyo. Gaara blocks Sasori's projectile attacks with his sand shield. Mother & Father take down 3 lesser puppets with the aid of Gaara's sand before getting damaged by Kazekage. Kazekage's basic weapons start to doll. Sakura destroys 2 lesser puppets & Hiruko with the aid of Gaara's sand. Sasori retreats & calls back his other puppets lining them up in front of him with kazekage in the center; Sasori's current puppet count is 292 puppets with 11 puppets currently summoned. Sasori's reveals Iron sand. Chiyo pulls Mother, Father, & Sakura back & warns the group about what this means. Gaara tells the others to stand back, uses desert avalanche to create more sand & change the terrain of the area. Sasori uses Iron sand to escape with Kazekage but the remaining 10 lesser puppets get buried in Gaara's jutsu. Sasori now has 282 puppets remaining & is now using a small part of the iron sand to keep himself air born. Sasori attacks from the air with Satetsu Kaihou jutsu. Chiyo positions Father & Mother in front of the group & does there defensive move. Gaara creates a massive shield to try & block this attack. Sasori's iron sand manages to brake threw Gaara's sand while chiyo protects the group with Mother & Fathers shields. Mother & Father are immobile. Sasori pulls the sand together to prepare for another attack. Gaara starts creating diamond sand but can't make enough of it fast enough. Sasori attacks again with the iron sand this time braking threw Gaara's sand shield. Gaara, Chiyo, & Sakura are now poisoned. Father & Mother's remains get destroyed in the process as well. They all take there antidotes. Chiyo summons her 10 other puppets, Sakura heals the open wounds on the group, & gaara makes enough Diamond sand for his sand shield. In response to this Sasori summons 100 puppets using chakra strings from his chest to control them (now has 101 active puppets counting Kazekage with 282 puppets remaining; Sasori will also be periodicly replacing puppets as they get destroyed to avoid confusion with his current puppet counts). Gaara puts himself Chiyo & Sakura on sand clouds. Sasori becomes hidden within his puppet army & goes on the offensive. Gaara calls sand from the ground like pillars to disrupt Sasori & his puppets. Sasori protects his group from Gaara's attacks with his iron sand & moving them out of the way; 60 puppets are destroyed though (222 puppets remaining). Chiyo attacks with her 10 puppets while gaara sends Sakura with diamond sand after Kazekage. The diamond sand helps to protect Sakura from the iron sand while Sakura goes in for the kill on Kazekage. Chiyos puppets do battle with part of Sasori's army. Sasori splits his iron sand up sending blades at Gaara & Chiyo's puppets. Sakura lands her famed hit on Kazekage destroying it. But not before Sasori pierces Gaara diamond sand shield hitting Gaara with over 20 iron sand blades. The diamond sand shield should be weakened because some of it is with Sakura; also sense Sasori's attack is also sand-like it can travel threw it by braking itself down & traveling threw the sand similar to what Diedara did to Gaara's sand bubble. Sasori was also able to make Chiyo's puppets immobile with the other part of the iron sand allowing his lesser puppets enough time to destroy them. With all the attacking going on let's say Sasori lost another 150 or so lesser puppets along with Kazekage to get this done (note above about summoning replacements); leaving him with 72 puppets remaining. Gaara is down so all of his active sand drops to the ground. It's Chiyo with Sakura vs. Sasori & his remaining 72 puppets. Sasori comes out of hiding & stabs Sakura. The remaining puppets kill Chiyo.

Winner: Sasori... lol I know people are going to disagree with me on this....

MikeyM1979
08-04-2007, 09:30 PM
Hm. That's interesting. Didn't Sasori basically give Sakura and Chiyo that win? So then, could Deidara > Sasori, since you guys think Gaara (and the others) would win this fight, and Deidara did beat and kill Gaara?

Vengeance
08-04-2007, 09:42 PM
Hm. That's interesting. Didn't Sasori basically give Sakura and Chiyo that win? So then, could Deidara > Sasori, since you guys think Gaara (and the others) would win this fight, and Deidara did beat and kill Gaara?


Hehehe I gave it to Sasori :P


Deidara vs. Sasori.

They know each others attacks. Sasori has an army. His Kazekage's iron sand should be able to handle C1-C3 level explosions. Sasori could avoid C4 by flying high into the air using his Iron sand. Giving Sasori's other puppets enough time to cut Deidara. Which is when the fight would be over because all of Sasori's puppets would then quickly kill Deidara before he has the time to self destruct.

Winner: Sasori.



I'm going to move part of my other post here. referring to Naruto vs. Gaara.

Gaara post time skip vs. Naruto pre time skip.

Naruto summons 1000 Clones. Gaara uses Desert Avalanche to destroy all the clones. Naruto uses Rasengan to avoid getting caught by the sand but is caught anyway by his feet. Gaara then forces naruto to sink into the sand. Naruto in response summons Gama & brakes free. Gaara goes air burn while Gama starts shooting water. Gaara avoids Gama's attacks while in the air while attacking Gama with his sand slighty injuring Gama & making sure Gama stays within his sand trap. Gaara then forces Gama to sink half way into the sand. Gama is unable to move & Naruto is on top of Gama's back. Naruto creates more clones & looks up at Gaara. Gaara then sends sand down on top of Gama & Naruto's clones. Gama along with Naruto are completely covered in sand. Gaara then uses sabaku taisou (desert imperial funeral) destroying Naruto. Gama is still alive but is injured & unable to move. Gaara continues to make Gama sink to make sure he'll die eventually.

Winner: Gaara

Editors note: I feel a gave pre time skip Naruto way to much credit here but he's still going to lose.

AnticitizenOne
08-05-2007, 12:28 AM
Flying into the air using his Iron Sand? Now that's just BS. If the Iron Sand can't handle Sakura punching it then it definitely can't handle C3, Not even C2 I doubt. Deidara's C4 would destroy Sasori, get in his wood (or whatever he's made of) and blow him up directly from the inside. Even if Deidara got hit by the poison, then Deidara could use his suicide explosion and destroy everything around Sasori including all of his puppets. Deidara could easily avoid any of Sasori's puppets. Deidara wins.

Vengeance
08-05-2007, 01:49 AM
Flying into the air using his Iron Sand? Now that's just BS. If the Iron Sand can't handle Sakura punching it then it definitely can't handle C3, Not even C2 I doubt. Deidara's C4 would destroy Sasori, get in his wood (or whatever he's made of) and blow him up directly from the inside. Even if Deidara got hit by the poison, then Deidara could use his suicide explosion and destroy everything around Sasori including all of his puppets. Deidara could easily avoid any of Sasori's puppets. Deidara wins.

& why couldn't he create a small platform for himself using iron sand? he's controlling iron sand with magnetism; creating different weapons of different size's & shapes. What makes you think he can't make a platform for himself to help avoid attacks? Or create shields using the iron sand to block attacks? Sakura never destroyed the sand just knocked it back.

Edit: Gaara's normal sand was enough to block C2 & C3. Kazekage puppets iron sand should be stronger.

Edit2: Also Sasori can attack from allot more directions then Deidara or Gaara & also attack with missle weapons allot faster then Deidara would be able to eat clay, create a bomb, launch it, then make it explode. I really don't see Deidara dodging that many projectiles & still being able to attack. Not with so many puppets coming at him at once. He'd need to resort to his biggest attacks to even stand a chance. Sasori could even finish Deidara quickly by using Satetsu Kaihou which has a huge attack radius.

MikeyM1979
08-05-2007, 01:49 PM
Deidara vs Sasori? I give it to Deidara. He has his smaller bombs to deal with Sasori's puppets, while he can just easily avoid Iron Sand on his big bird since he avoided Gaara's sand pretty well.

Shrike
08-05-2007, 03:06 PM
Deidara vs Sasori...
An interesting match-up.
I can't really decide, but Sasori's one scratch is deadly. When I think about it, Iron Sand bullets would make Deidara wish he was never born.
I can decide. Sasori.

And You debated Gaara vs Sasori?
Sasori, of course. Iron Sand>regular sand. One scratch=death.
Sasori is sooo overpowered. He was defeated by teh only team capable of defeating him. I have yet to meet the person who can defeat Sasori. Even Itachi would be in disadvantage.

AnticitizenOne
08-05-2007, 03:45 PM
Deidara vs Sasori...
An interesting match-up.
I can't really decide, but Sasori's one scratch is deadly. When I think about it, Iron Sand bullets would make Deidara wish he was never born.
I can decide. Sasori.
As much as I dislike debating with you, some of your points are a bit faulty here. First off, even if Sasori gave Deidara one deadly scratch, he still has three days to live. Deidara could explode himself, and if Sasori didn't have some kind of space time technique he would be screwed. I say it's at LEAST a tie in Deidara's favor, if not a victory on his part. Iron Sand bullets aren't that impressive, Sakura and Chiyo could dodge them, what makes you think Iron Sand can raise to that kind of height so fast? Deidara's bird is superior speed.
Even Itachi would be in disadvantage.
Itachi is one of the most broken characters in the entire series, no matter who his opponent was, if he snuck up on them anybody would die in a split second. Sasori is no different.

Vengeance
08-05-2007, 03:47 PM
So do you guys think Sasuke can handle Sasori? Sense you're saying Deidara could. Gaara caught Deidara multiple times with his sand. I just want to point out that Kazekage's Satetsu Kaihou jutsu has a crazy attack radius. The fight would be over after that attack. Not to even mention over 290 puppets coming at you from every direction shooting & attacking with different types of poison weapons. When Deidara gets cut even once he'll become immobile. Deidara wouldn't be able to eat anymore clay cause he couldn't move. Also by then Sasori would use his puppet army to turn Deidara into confetti.

About Sasori vs. Itachi/Sasuke

I'll put the same reasons why he may be able to beat both of these fighters. Not at the same time mind you. Anyway does Genjutsu even work on a puppet? Sasori has this habit of hiding himself ether in a puppet or within his puppet army. Making it harder for ether of these fighters to make that direct eye contact thats needed. Sasori knows all about the Sharingan & wouldn't be stupid enough to let this happen. Sasori has his poisoned weapons, Kazekage's iron sand which is very deadly, & his other 298 puppets to contend with. How ever both Itachi & Sasuke should be able to find the real one by looking for his chakra. But that just means they'd need to go threw 298 puppets without getting a single cut to even have a chance at winning. Sasuke would probably have a better chance at this one then Itachi. Sense Sasuke has his snakes to help block attacks. While Itachi would have to use Amaterasu to destroy Kazekage with his sand, Then most likely have to use it another 3 times just to open up a path to Sasori himself. Were at that point his chakra would be drained.

Winner: Sasori

AnticitizenOne
08-05-2007, 03:59 PM
Vengeance's Above Post: I stopped reading after "If Deidara can handle Sasori so can Sasuke." The whole A can defeat C and C can defeat B therefore A must be able to defeat B is complete bullshit and you should know that. Deidara's and Sasuke's battle styles are conflicting. Sasuke was able to defeat Deidara on quick thinking and smart battle style (non to mention the conveniant plot protection he had with the conflicting elements of Earth and Lightning), that doesn't cut it with Sasori. Sasori>Sasuke at such a point where Sasori happened to be alive.

Your analysis of Itachi's battle style is extensively flawed. Itachi isn't stupid enough not to realize that if Sasori is gone so is his puppet, if he used Amaterasu it would be straightaway to destroy Sasori's entire body utterly. Sasori's puppet technique isn't fast enough, the summoning. Sasori couldn't summon his puppets in the same time it would take Itachi to use Amaterasu. Itachi>Sasori always.
& why couldn't he create a small platform for himself using iron sand? he's controlling iron sand with magnetism; creating different weapons of different size's & shapes. What makes you think he can't make a platform for himself to help avoid attacks? Or create shields using the iron sand to block attacks? Sakura never destroyed the sand just knocked it back.
Sasori can't hold himself using Iron Sand, the Iron Sand is thicker than normal sand making it harder to mold into shapes. You're only assuming that Gaara's chakra-enriched sand is weaker than the Iron Sand which is only Iron Powder condensed into the form of grains of sand controlled by magnetism. If some of Gaara's special sand can block some of Kimimaro's bone attacks (his bones were hard as steel, harder possibly), his bones are harder than Iron.
Edit: Gaara's normal sand was enough to block C2 & C3. Kazekage puppets iron sand should be stronger.
I already explained this. None of your evidence or even likelihood suggests that Iron Sand is enriched with chakra, it's strong enough as is without it anyway. Gaara's chakra-enriched sand I say is stronger than mere Iron. Another point I could make is proving that chakra is stronger than Iron Sand is that Chiyo could protect herself with her puppet arm, and her puppet's chakra shield, easily reflecting the Iron Sand. Chakra is stronger than Iron Sand, regular Sand enriched with chakra should be even more powerful albiet slightly.
Edit2: Also Sasori can attack from allot more directions then Deidara or Gaara & also attack with missle weapons allot faster then Deidara would be able to eat clay, create a bomb, launch it, then make it explode.
Deidara usually has a clay bird with him when traveling, at least he had one to carry Gaara. Anyway, Gaara had the entire DESERT after Deidara and he still avoided every single attack Gaara put after him with the Shukaku's power. There's no way projectiles can compare to an absolutely solid wall of chakra enriched Sand coming directly at you from all around.
I really don't see Deidara dodging that many projectiles & still being able to attack. Not with so many puppets coming at him at once. He'd need to resort to his biggest attacks to even stand a chance. Sasori could even finish Deidara quickly by using Satetsu Kaihou which has a huge attack radius.
Sasori doesn't resort to his 100 puppets technique unless he has to, and he definitely wouldn't do it to begin with. He also waits to use Iron Sand World Order, which even Sakura and Chiyo were able to avoid/survive (I never read the episode in which it was used). Deidara's C4 could destroy anyone except Sasuke (or some other adept lightning user) as a matter of fact, he was able to use lightning to diffuse the bombs, which is one of the only methods in removing the C4 bombs. Sasori's puppets don't have that good structure, good enough so they can avoid the millions of tiny bombs going in to destroy them all at once. Deidara could also resort to his final explosion if hit with Sasori's poison, and utterly destroy any trace of him.

Vengeance
08-05-2007, 04:09 PM
Sasori taking a fight seriously using his Kazekage puppet along with his other puppets would beat Deidara. Against Chiyo Sasori was simply toying with her. Sakura never broke the Iron sand only knocked it back as Sasori created a massive stone like thing out of it. Not blades. Sasori only used the sand for offensive prepuses & was careless to move Kazekage puppet itself to finish Sakura. He wasn't aware that she had an antidote. If he just pulled back some iron sand & attacked again she'd have 30 blades threwout her body no problem. Both Chiyo & Sakura got poisoned in that fight. Sakura twice because Chiyo for the most part was staying back. & in the end Sasori let Chiyo finish him.

Edit: & Why wouldn't Sasori feel the need to use all 298 puppets against someone like Deidara? Sense I think we can both agree that he's badass?

Edit2: Also I'd like to add the main reason he lost besides the fact that he let himself get hit is because he's a villain while Sakura & Chiyo were hero's. Good has to triumph over evil in these type of stories sooner or later.

Edit3: also just noticed umm.. maybe you should read thouse chapters then maybe you'd know what I'm talking about with the huge radius of the attack & why Deidara wouldn't be able to dodge it.

AnticitizenOne
08-05-2007, 04:27 PM
Sasori taking a fight seriously using his Kazekage puppet along with his other puppets would beat Deidara. Against Chiyo Sasori was simply toying with her. Sakura never broke the Iron sand only knocked it back as Sasori created a massive stone like thing out of it. Not blades. Sasori only used the sand for offensive prepuses & was careless to move Kazekage puppet itself to finish Sakura. He wasn't aware that she had an antidote. If he just pulled back some iron sand & attacked again she'd have 30 blades threwout her body no problem. Both Chiyo & Sakura got poisoned in that fight. Sakura twice because Chiyo for the most part was staying back. & in the end Sasori let Chiyo finish him.
All of this is true, but you still lack the proof that those puppets have the kind of firepower one would need to take down Deidara.
Edit: & Why wouldn't Sasori feel the need to use all 298 puppets against someone like Deidara? Sense I think we can both agree that he's badass?
Sasori couldn't use all 298 puppets at once because he can only control 100 at a time, well 101 counting himself. I think Sasori would eventually be forced to use 100 of his puppets.
Edit2: Also I'd like to add the main reason he lost besides the fact that he let himself get hit is because he's a villain while Sakura & Chiyo were hero's. Good has to triumph over evil in these type of stories sooner or later.
He didn't let himself get hit, I think Shrike proved that with his massive Sasori essay. I suppose you couldn't call it standing still, he just ended up realizing that the human part of Sasori burst through preventing him from moving. All in all the same thing.
Edit3: also just noticed umm.. maybe you should read thouse chapters then maybe you'd know what I'm talking about with the huge radius of the attack & why Deidara wouldn't be able to dodge it.
I'm absolutely confident that Deidara could dodge anything Chiyo-baa and Sakura could. Also, you seem to be forgetting about the fight at the Sand Village. Deidara had the entire sand village shooting at him, far more than a hundred weapons, and he was still able to avoid every single bullet.

Vengeance
08-05-2007, 05:12 PM
Tired tired tired of this argument deleted last post just so you won't respond to it yet again... I'll just say Sasori beats Deidara feel free to disagree with me. He also beats Itachi & Sasuke. & wasn't using his hands while controling 100 puppets. The strings were coming out of its chest. So he may still be able to use Kazekage along with 100 other puppets I'm done post another fight.

Seal_master
08-05-2007, 05:32 PM
i got a match

hidan Vs Gaara

MikeyM1979
08-05-2007, 05:35 PM
Tired tired tired of this argument deleted last post just so you won't respond to it yet again... I'll just say Sasori beats Deidara feel free to disagree with me. He also beats Itachi & Sasuke. & wasn't using his hands while controling 100 puppets. The strings were coming out of its chest. So he may still be able to use Kazekage along with 100 other puppets I'm done post another fight.Yeah, Anti's debating skills can overwhelm sometimes. :)

Um, what about Neji? After seeing what he did with that spider guy from the Sound Five, Neji could easily cut through Sasori's puppet strings. But, that's about it. =\ He'd need a team behind him to do other stuff.

i got a match

hidan Vs GaaraIf Hidan gets to cut him, then Hidan wins. Gaara's sand isn't gonna kill him. Just crush him.

Seal_master
08-05-2007, 05:36 PM
i thought it would be a long ass tie cause neither can die cause gaara cant really get cut to easy and hidan well hes hidan

MikeyM1979
08-05-2007, 05:37 PM
You don't think Hidans Scythe is strong enough to slice or pierce Gaara? I mean, we've seen Gaara's sand armor cracked with just taijutsu.

Seal_master
08-05-2007, 05:39 PM
thats because of rock lees bad ass tai and sasukes cheapness

but im say if he had a full goard of sand i mean his armor could have gotten better in the skip

MikeyM1979
08-05-2007, 05:42 PM
thats because of rock lees bad ass tai and sasukes cheapness

but im say if he had a full goard of sand i mean his armor could have gotten better in the skip
Sasuke's cheapness? He copied Lee's style, not his speed.

Also, now I don't think Hidan would win. I'm forgetting that Hidan is a moron also, and he's not fast enough to duck and dodge Gaara's sand the way Lee, Sasuke, and Deidara have.

Vengeance
08-05-2007, 05:42 PM
Hidan Vs. Gaara

Not sure if Gaara could kill Hidan. But immobilize him by crushing every bone in his body should be possible to at least take him out of the fight. Gaara could do this without getting a cut. I gotta ask though does Hidan have some sort of hyperactive healing factor (similar to Wolverine) or is he just simply immortal. The reason I bring this up is if Gaara uses desert coffin to crush every bone in his body could Hidan simply regenerate & stand back up or would he be stuck there? Ether Way Gaara could simply bury Hidan alive which would take him out of the fight. What happens if you crush Hiden's skull? Does he need a brain in order to function j/k.

Winner Gaara.

Edit: Sasori vs. Neji

Damnit Mikey I like Neji lol.... Neji would be able to tell which is the real Sasori with his byukagan. Neji should be able to dodge & repel Sasori's attacks but what else would he be able to do? Neji would be to busy trying to stay alive to go on the offensive. He'd need a team with him like you sed. Also we don't know if Neji still has that so called weakness of his. Even without it I see Neji getting tired after so many attacks from Sasori & eventually falling to a random poisoned needle/sword or whatever happens to hit him.

Winner: Sasori

MikeyM1979
08-05-2007, 05:44 PM
Hidan Vs. Gaara

Not sure if Gaara could kill Hidan. But immobilize him by crushing every bone in his body should be possible to at least take him out of the fight. Gaara could do this without getting a cut. I gotta ask though does Hidan have some sort of hyperactive healing factor (similar to Wolverine) or is he just simply immortal. The reason I bring this up is if Gaara uses desert coffin to crush every bone in his body could Hidan simply regenerate & stand back up or would he be stuck there? Ether Way Gaara could simply bury Hidan alive which would take him out of the fight. What happens if you crush Hiden's skull? Does he need a brain in order to function j/k. Anyway winner Gaara.
Even if he does have some sort of healing factor, he'd still be a goner. Gaara's sand doesn't just crush, but it can probably also tear apart.

Seal_master
08-05-2007, 05:45 PM
so Gaara the winner then
unless hidan cuts him somehow

eaterpie
08-05-2007, 06:23 PM
Zabuza and Haku and Kisame vs. Sasuke Itachi and Kakashi

MikeyM1979
08-05-2007, 06:24 PM
Zabuza and Haku and Kisame vs. Sasuke Itachi and KakashiOh damn. o_O

Kakashi > Zabuza
Sasuke can walk all over Haku now.
Itachi should be able to take down Kisame, although it won't be the kind of quick and easy Sharingan ass beating we've seen from Itachi before.

Vengeance
08-05-2007, 06:53 PM
Zabuza, Haku, & Kisame vs. Sasuke, Itachi, & Kakashi

Ummm.. yeah ok... Haku why? I'll write out a fake fight because I'm bored...


Team Sharingan are arguing over who's got the bigger "Sharingan" while team Water walks up to them & ask for a sparring lesson. Team Sharingan looks at each other & starts to giggle. Itachi says why don't we see who's got the bigger "Sharingon" against these clowns. Kakashi says god damn you guys & always trying to see who's better... I'll be on top of that cliff if you guys need me. Kakashi vanishes & starts to read his book. Itachi says so who's going to start first? Sasuke says lets let them go first this could be fun. Kisame says don't you underestimate the power of the village hidden in the mist!!!. Itachi says no disrespect towards you but it seems that your teamates appear to be out classed, though I may be able to get some sort of workout out of you. Kisame says arrhhhh that's it you're all gona die!!!

Kisame changes the terrain into a giant lake of water. Kakashi is reading his book on a cliff while the other fighters are walking on the water. Haku starts using hand signs for his ice mirrors when itachi looks at him. At the same time zabuza creates 6 water clones & surrounds Saskue & Itachi. Kisame is doing some huge type of water jutsu when this is going on. Haku starts to fall to his knees. Itachi & Sasuke dodge the water jutsu. Zabuza goes after Sasuke with his clones. Sasuke uses his sword & great speed to quickly destroy all the clones. As Haku is falling to the ground (& into the water) Sasuke throws a kuni at his throat. Haku is dead. Itachi uses Amaterasu on Zabuza. Zabuza is now dead. This all happens in a matter of seconds. Kisame says shit those guys were losers god dammit I'm sorry & tries to run away. Itachi & Sasuke corner Kisame. Sasuke says did you really need to use those jutsus Itachi? I wanted to practice my taijutsu on these guys... You should really be more aware of your chakra supply in battle. Itachi says shut up I still have enough chakra to take both of you down!! Sasuke says whatever Itachi you're such a showoff. Sasuke thinks to himself I wish I could use Amaterasu. Kisame starts sending water everywhere. Itachi & Sasuke jump back to get out of harms way. Kakashi's book gets wet. Kisame creates 10 water clones & 10 shark clones. Sasuke summons some lesser snakes to take care of the shark clones while Itachi creates a massive fireball to destroy the water clones. Kisame says god damnit let me hit you!! This always happens no one ever takes me seriously & people keep forgetting my nam.. AAAHHHH!!! Out of no were Kakashi comes & sends Kisame's head to another dimension . Kakashi says thats for wetting my book **^&$.

Winner team Sharingan....

*Hides in a corner*

Shrike
08-05-2007, 07:48 PM
As much as I dislike debating with you, some of your points are a bit faulty here. First off, even if Sasori gave Deidara one deadly scratch, he still has three days to live. Deidara could explode himself, and if Sasori didn't have some kind of space time technique he would be screwed. I say it's at LEAST a tie in Deidara's favor, if not a victory on his part. Iron Sand bullets aren't that impressive, Sakura and Chiyo could dodge them, what makes you think Iron Sand can raise to that kind of height so fast? Deidara's bird is superior speed.

Well, if Sasori gave Deidara one scratch, Deidara would be weak, and even if it was for a second, it is enough for Sasori to go for a kill. He wouldn't stare at Deidara while he feeds his chest mouth with clay.
The thing is, as I said countless times, most Akatsuki are unbalanced and overpowered. Deidara can destroy every Hidden Village by a simple fly-by-attack. He flies over and drops C3. End. He can drop it at Sasori as well, and that would destroy him.
All I am saying is if Diedara is within Sasori's range, he has no chance.

Itachi is one of the most broken characters in the entire series, no matter who his opponent was, if he snuck up on them anybody would die in a split second. Sasori is no different.

True. But, there is a problem. The thing is, Itachi would be able to dodge most of Sasori's attacks because of the Sharingan, but not all. And one hit=death is quite bad for anybody.
He cannot evade all of Sasori's 100 puppets.
Also, Itachi does not know Sasori's weak spot. One more thing-he would not know which of those 100 puppets is the real Sasori. Even Chiyo got fooled.

And when we are talking about battles, it means every character goes all out.

Vengeance
08-05-2007, 08:10 PM
True. But, there is a problem. The thing is, Itachi would be able to dodge most of Sasori's attacks because of the Sharingan, but not all. And one hit=death is quite bad for anybody.
He cannot evade all of Sasori's 100 puppets.
Also, Itachi does not know Sasori's weak spot. One more thing-he would not know which of those 100 puppets is the real Sasori. Even Chiyo got fooled.

And when we are talking about battles, it means every character goes all out.

I agree with everything accept the part that says Itachi "would not know which of those 100 puppets is the real Sasori". Sasori is a living puppet which means he's got chakra like his Kazekage puppet. I'm not to sure how many of his other puppets are "Hitokugutsu" but sense they aren't clones of Sasori; each puppet should have a different chakra signature. So it should be possible for Itachi to hone in on Sasori's chakra to find him. Though even with this I still think Sasori would win.

AnticitizenOne
08-05-2007, 08:23 PM
Well, if Sasori gave Deidara one scratch, Deidara would be weak, and even if it was for a second, it is enough for Sasori to go for a kill. He wouldn't stare at Deidara while he feeds his chest mouth with clay.
The thing is, as I said countless times, most Akatsuki are unbalanced and overpowered. Deidara can destroy every Hidden Village by a simple fly-by-attack. He flies over and drops C3. End. He can drop it at Sasori as well, and that would destroy him.
All I am saying is if Diedara is within Sasori's range, he has no chance.
Define within range. The point is, most of Sasori's attacks would stand no chance at hitting Deidara if he was up in the air, and even if he was extremely high he would have the ability to use his Final Explosion. Then there's the C4 which utterly destroys anyone within its range so long as they can't dispel it with lightning.
True. But, there is a problem. The thing is, Itachi would be able to dodge most of Sasori's attacks because of the Sharingan, but not all. And one hit=death is quite bad for anybody.
He cannot evade all of Sasori's 100 puppets.

Also, Itachi does not know Sasori's weak spot. One more thing-he would not know which of those 100 puppets is the real Sasori. Even Chiyo got fooled.

And when we are talking about battles, it means every character goes all out.
And we all know that right off the bat in all of Sasori's fights the absolute first thing he does is summon his 100 puppets. All Itachi has to do is close his eyes for a second and open them. If Itachi was all out serious about killing Sasori he could annhialate him immediately before he got the chance to summon anything. Face it, if given proper opportunity there's nobody in Naruto who could survive a full on attack from Itachi.

Vengeance
08-05-2007, 08:41 PM
Define within range. The point is, most of Sasori's attacks would stand no chance at hitting Deidara if he was up in the air, and even if he was extremely high he would have the ability to use his Final Explosion. Then there's the C4 which utterly destroys anyone within its range so long as they can't dispel it with lightning.

And we all know that right off the bat in all of Sasori's fights the absolute first thing he does is summon his 100 puppets. All Itachi has to do is close his eyes for a second and open them. If Itachi was all out serious about killing Sasori he could annhialate him immediately before he got the chance to summon anything. Face it, if given proper opportunity there's nobody in Naruto who could survive a full on attack from Itachi.

Umm... yeah about the range thing... We went over this already but his puppets can fly & also because of the jutsu "Satetsu Kaihou". You can disagree with me with flying on iron sand there's no point trying to convince you other wise.

about the second comment. Sasori is in no way a slow person. He could jump back or out of his first puppet if he's in it. Then while moving back pull out a scroll to do his summonings. If you want Itachi to get Sasori while he's off his guard & not prepared to attack I won't argue.


Next fight: Sasuke vs. Itachi (In response to: Face it, if given proper opportunity there's nobody in Naruto who could survive a full on attack from Itachi.)


Winner: Sasuke; I'll comment later if I'm up to it.

AnticitizenOne
08-05-2007, 08:54 PM
(If you're just arguing for the sake of arguing, then it's extremely stupid.)
Umm... yeah about the range thing... We went over this already but his puppets can fly & also because of the jutsu "Satetsu Kaihou". You can disagree with me with flying on iron sand there's no point trying to convince you other wise.
You haven't done anything except say "Satetsu Kaihou could hit Deidara." and have said nothing to prove it. His puppets cannot fly, and you have no way to prove it. You also have no way to prove a platform can be made by Iron Sand. I've proven that Deidara could defeat Sasori with ease, and you've yet to counter that.
about the second comment. Sasori is in no way a slow person. He could jump back or out of his first puppet if he's in it. Then while moving back pull out a scroll to do his summonings. If you want Itachi to get Sasori while he's off his guard & not prepared to attack I won't argue.
Do you seriously think Itachi's Amaterasu takes TIME to hit its target? It doesn't, it instantly eliminates anything in front of it and causes black flames to burn the surrounding matter. It would instantly eliminate any trace of Sasori or the puppet he was hiding in.

The point about the full on attack from Itachi is that anybody would die if he caught them off guard and face it nobody's never off guard. Proof being that even Sasuke was extremely weak and would get slaughtered by Itachi after fighting Deidara.

Vengeance
08-05-2007, 09:52 PM
(If you're just arguing for the sake of arguing, then it's extremely stupid.)

You haven't done anything except say "Satetsu Kaihou could hit Deidara." and have said nothing to prove it. His puppets cannot fly, and you have no way to prove it. You also have no way to prove a platform can be made by Iron Sand. I've proven that Deidara could defeat Sasori with ease, and you've yet to counter that.

Read the manga before responding. Look at what "Satetsu Kaihou" does before responding again. When he summons his puppets they're all air born to begin with. So yes they're flying & he controls there movement's with chakra strings while they're in the air. Again I'm going to ask you to read the damn chapter before responding again.

Satetsu Kaihou & its attack range. Now picture that pointed into the sky sense Deidara would be air born. Also notice that Chiyo is already far away from the attack & is trying to pull Sakura away.
http://manga.bleachexile.com/naruto/270/11/

In case you're wondering Sakura got poisoned by this attack even with Chiyo's help. Sakura has at least 7 visible cuts when she collapses if not more. 1 on her cheek, 2 on her left arm, another 2 on her right, & at least 1 gash on each leg. Though she most likely has smaller gashes as well that aren't as visible.
http://manga.bleachexile.com/naruto/270/13/

For flying puppets. See they're in the air. Also notice that Sasori isn't using any hands.
http://manga.bleachexile.com/naruto/272/13/

Another picture of the puppets in the air.
http://manga.bleachexile.com/naruto/272/17/

& just for the **** of it more flying puppets.
http://manga.bleachexile.com/naruto/273/2/

About riding on iron sand & creating shields.

Kazekage puppet controls the sand by using magnetic fields; this is a fact. He can use it to bind a puppet if the sand is caught within it; another fact. Showing that he can clearly control a smaller portion of the iron sand with ease. Sense he will constantly need to monitor the magnetic fields to restrict the puppets movements while also using more iron sand to attack. Examples of this are Chiyo's broken arm & Father/Mother becoming immobile after one attack.

So why exactly can't he bind iron sand to form a disk so he could stand on it or create shields? Sasori was able to form a giant square & triangle like objects, hold them in place & move them towards an enemy at will. He also created thousands of blades to attack his enemies. Showing versatility with the iron sand. The very nature of this ability should allow him to do all of this. The reason he didn't go air born or use shields against Chiyo & Sakura are because; 1. Sasori was overconfident in his abilities, only used offensive attacks, & made a very careless move with his Kazekage puppet. 2. Chiyo & Sakura were on the ground so there wasn't a need for Sasori to go air born. But there would be a need if he's facing Deidara. Please tell me you can come up with something better then the iron sand is to heavy so he can't control it like that. Sasori has had over 10 years to master this puppet. Kazekage is one of his favorite puppets so it should be clear that he's been practicing with it.


Edit: Adding in Sasori himself

I also wanted to point out some of Sasori core puppets abilities.

Sasori has a rope & pulley coming from his stomach. He could use this to propel himself high into the air by attaching it to one of his air born puppets. Or simply attach it to deidara's main bird to get in close rather quickly. He could also sit on top of one of his flying puppets travel to Deidara & launch this rope like a heat seeker to impale Deidara.
http://manga.bleachexile.com/naruto/271/21/

Sasori can shoot out poison gas from his hands.
http://manga.bleachexile.com/naruto/271/19/

Sasori has wing like blades on his back & looks like he's flying at Chiyo. Though this is only an assumption & not fact. It also looks like he's pulling himself using the rope & pulley. This is more likely what it is.
http://manga.bleachexile.com/naruto/271/22/

Sasori could also brake apart & re-form himself showing levitation of his own puppet body by use of chakra strings from his heart. Which gives yet another possible way for him to fly. This is just an assumption.
http://manga.bleachexile.com/naruto/272/8/

Do you seriously think Itachi's Amaterasu takes TIME to hit its target? It doesn't, it instantly eliminates anything in front of it and causes black flames to burn the surrounding matter. It would instantly eliminate any trace of Sasori or the puppet he was hiding in.

You can't prove that now can you. Sense Amaterasu has never been seen. & Like i sed before Sasori isn't slow at all.

The point about the full on attack from Itachi is that anybody would die if he caught them off guard and face it nobodies never off guard. Proof being that even Sasuke was extremely weak and would get slaughtered by Itachi after fighting Deidara.

Ok first off Sasuke isn't weak.

Now you want to give Itachi a stealth advantage?

LoL seriously why can't Sasuke be hiding in the tree waiting to attack Itachi while he's eating or ****ing a chick? Why does Itachi have to be the one that attacks while these people aren't looking? Sasuke would be able to sense his brother & move out of the way of whatever attack Itachi would use. Then both fighters would be aware of whats going on & it'll be a strait up fair fight. Sasuke wants nothing more then to kill Itachi so he also won't be holding back against his brother. Sasuke has seen Tsukuyomi twice is his lifetime & has not only trained with Orochimaru but also absorbed his abilities as well. Tsukuyomi will not work on Sasuke the next time he meets Itachi. Sasuke is at least on the same level in terms of speed with Itachi if not faster. Sasuke has CS transformations to increase his strength making him stronger then Itachi. The only real powerful Jutsu we know about Itachi besides Tsukuyomi is Amaterasu which from what we have seen (which is very little) would have a limited damage radius. Also these jutsu dramatically drain Itachi's chakra. There fight wouldn't be a one sided-match & Sasuke has a very good chance at winning this one.


Edit: Just wanted to add I can't wait to see Itachi fall. To see that Itachi's jutsu are in-fact not all powerful like some people claim them to be. Who's going to be the one to resist Tsukuyomi & repel or dodge Amaterasu? I'm betting my money on Sasuke. Though I won't count out Tobi/Madara, Pein, or even Kakashi. However Kakashi is a long shot in this. It's possible that Kakashi could send Amaterasu to another dimension & Kakashi has also seen Tsukuyomi before. But I will tell you this much Itachi will fall & I will be laughing when it happens.

Edit2: *sighs* I like itachi but this whole thing about him being able to beat anyone is just BS.

AnticitizenOne
08-06-2007, 12:06 PM
You can't prove that now can you. Sense Amaterasu has never been seen. & Like i sed before Sasori isn't slow at all.

Ok first off Sasuke isn't weak.
If you don't even BOTHER to read what I'm talking about then I shouldn't be bothering to read what you said. I said Sasuke was weak from his fight with Deidara, not that he is weak. Amaterasu burned through the frog stomach and the wall behind it in an instant. You don't send something that fast to another dimension, you don't "repel" it, and you don't dodge it unless you can get out of the way before Itachi opens his eyes.

Shrike
08-06-2007, 01:24 PM
Define within range. The point is, most of Sasori's attacks would stand no chance at hitting Deidara if he was up in the air, and even if he was extremely high he would have the ability to use his Final Explosion. Then there's the C4 which utterly destroys anyone within its range so long as they can't dispel it with lightning.

Everything you said is true beside C4. C4 wouldn't affect Sasori, cause he is not human. Trees did not disappear when C4 was casted, thus, Sasori should be fine.
You can't match Deidara with another character if you count he is high in the air at the stat of the battle. One C3, bye-bye.

And we all know that right off the bat in all of Sasori's fights the absolute first thing he does is summon his 100 puppets. All Itachi has to do is close his eyes for a second and open them. If Itachi was all out serious about killing Sasori he could annhialate him immediately before he got the chance to summon anything. Face it, if given proper opportunity there's nobody in Naruto who could survive a full on attack from Itachi.

There is nothing to face, Itachi is my favorite character and I know his power very well. He is overpowered as most Akatsuki are. The thing is, he kills everyone in a blink of an eye. If you count up Sasori is in Hiruko when the battle starts, he is dead. If he starts with his 100 puppets, he has a good chance of winning.
I wonder why did he not kill Jiraiya when he kills everyone with a glance...Lame plot.

shadow_moon
08-06-2007, 02:15 PM
how about battle of the artist.

drawings vs. bombs

sai vs. deidara

for me deidara has the upper hand because of the garuda, but it will not be an easy match. sai can dodge the attack of deidara, because he can also fly thanks to his drawings.

eaterpie
08-06-2007, 03:01 PM
Hmm i had me a dream last night and it was a battle between Naruto and Sasuke versus Jiraya and kakashi and mid fight when Naruto and Sasuke were kicking ass right out of no where Lee joins the fray and soon enough it is Lee versus Naruto vs Sasuke...Maybe I should right this one out if you are interested let me know

MikeyM1979
08-06-2007, 05:00 PM
We, don't know much of what Sai can do in battle yet. =\

I got one: The spider dude (too lazy to Google his name) from the Sound Four vs Pre-time skip Neji and post time skip Shikamaru.

shadow_moon
08-06-2007, 05:06 PM
I got one: The spider dude (too lazy to Google his name) from the Sound Four vs Pre-time skip Neji and post time skip Shikamaru.

spider dude vs. pre-timeskip neji is already exist in the anime, neji won..

doesn't need help from shikamaru.

Nexus
08-06-2007, 05:08 PM
In that case, Kidomaru's dead (especially if Shikamaru has to the time to form a plan).

MikeyM1979
08-06-2007, 05:08 PM
spider dude vs. pre-timeskip neji is already exist in the anime, neji won..

doesn't need help from shikamaru.Neji almost died during that battle, though. With some assistance from a genius like Shikamaru, it'd be interesting. Especially post time skip.

Edit: lol Nexus, Shikamaru is the Batman of the Naruto world. With time to plan, he can beat ANYONE. :p

Shrike
08-06-2007, 05:09 PM
We, don't know much of what Sai can do in battle yet. =\

I got one: The spider dude (too lazy to Google his name) from the Sound Four vs Pre-time skip Neji and post time skip Shikamaru.

Neji vs Kodomaru already happened. The result had both shinobi dying, but Neji had medical team to make it in time to save him, Kodomaru didn't ^^
So, putting Shika along with Neji will give them a win.

MikeyM1979
08-06-2007, 05:11 PM
Neji vs Kodomaru already happened. The result had both shinobi dying, but Neji had medical team to make it in time to save him, Kodomaru didn't ^^
So, putting Shika along with Neji will give them a win.Hm. But what's Shikamaru gonna do with a large flood of spiders heading down to him from above? Neji would not only have to fend for himself, but also for Shikamaru.

AnticitizenOne
08-06-2007, 05:12 PM
Everything you said is true beside C4. C4 wouldn't affect Sasori, cause he is not human. Trees did not disappear when C4 was casted, thus, Sasori should be fine.
You can't match Deidara with another character if you count he is high in the air at the stat of the battle. One C3, bye-bye.
I think this is incorrect, the trees don't have openings in them but the puppets do, the openings could be filled with bombs and the puppets blown up. I'm not sure since this is an extremely unlikely match up as is and it's likely that none of them tested techniques against eachother.
There is nothing to face, Itachi is my favorite character and I know his power very well. He is overpowered as most Akatsuki are. The thing is, he kills everyone in a blink of an eye. If you count up Sasori is in Hiruko when the battle starts, he is dead. If he starts with his 100 puppets, he has a good chance of winning.
I wonder why did he not kill Jiraiya when he kills everyone with a glance...Lame plot.
I know, but you can't say that Sasori would jump out of Hiruko, or even if he wasn't in Hiruko, dodge Amaterasu at all. The only chance he could possibly have to avoid it is starting with 100 puppets, which, if they were far away from Itachi, he might have the chance to destroy with fire-based ninjutsu, remember Fire>Wood. I say the only way Sasori has a chance at winning this completely unbalanced matchup is if he had his 100 puppets out at the battle's beginning. The only way you could avoid Amaterasu is to block it or otherwise shift outside of the blast's range while Itachi has his eyes closed. Anyway it's unlikely that he would start out with 100 puppets, so I say Itachi wins in most situations.
Hm. But what's Shikamaru gonna do with a large flood of spiders heading down to him from above? Neji would not only have to fend for himself, but also for Shikamaru.
That's, I suppose, beside the point. Why can't we do a matchup of people that hasn't happened at all already? I know, how about Kimimaro vs Pre-Timeskip Neji and Post-Timeskip Shikamaru :D

Vengeance
08-06-2007, 06:21 PM
Still talking about Itachi's godliness I see. *sighs* I just want to point out that Itachi was afraid of Jiraiya even with Kisame being there. Really makes little sense for someone who's supposed to be able to kill anyone with a single hit. You're free to think whatever you want I'll just be laughing later when Itachi does die.

Anyway Mikey good point about Shikamaru being batman lol. Shika is one of my favorites, but well I hate batman for that theory about him being able to beat anyone with proper time to prepare. Does that make sense? lol


Edit to AnticitizenOne

Also wanted to point out that Sasuke now has a healing ability. By the time he meets Itachi again he could be at 100%. & in comparing fighter's in a vs. thread you shouldn't give anyone a handy-cap from previous battle injuries if his body is still fully intact. It's still possible his wing would grow back but let's assume it doesn't for now. We can also safely say Sasuke can no longer summon Manda sense Manda is now dead. But even with these things I will still say that Sasuke at 100% has a good chance at beating Itachi at 100%. Even if Itachi attacks first. Ok I'm done.

Shrike
08-06-2007, 07:15 PM
Still talking about Itachi's godliness I see. *sighs* I just want to point out that Itachi was afraid of Jiraiya even with Kisame being there. Really makes little sense for someone who's supposed to be able to kill anyone with a single hit.

You saw he can make walls disappear, right? That means he can make flesh disappear. He escaped Jiraiya for some other reason, which is obviously still a mystery to us.

Vengeance
08-06-2007, 07:28 PM
You saw he can make walls disappear, right? That means he can make flesh disappear. He escaped Jiraiya for some other reason, which is obviously still a mystery to us.

Yes I know about the wall but that doesn't mean it happened instantly. The wall couldn't avoid or block the jutsu sense its a wall. What I'm saying is that until we see Amaterasu used against a person who can move around & block attacks using some type of jutsu; I will not assume its an unavoidable attack that also can't be repelled. Whoever does kills Itachi will first have to get past this jutsu. This is what I'm saying. Agree with me or not thats up to you.


Edit: Kimimaro vs Pre-Timeskip Neji and Post-Timeskip Shikamaru

I gotta ask why pre-timeskip Neji...

Anyway if Shikamaru can get Kimimaro with his shadow bind long enough for Neji to use 64 palms they could possibly win. Though would it even work on him lol. Is it possible for Kimimaros bones to absorb the attacks like spider guys golden skin?

I'll give this to Kimimaro for now.


Edit: I got a fight

Post Neji vs. Post Gaara without shukaku; location grasslands

Damnit Gaara hasn't fought sense then so I can't seriously do this one lol... But I'm going to do it anyway...

Gaara's sand is chakra enriched which means Neji should be able to brake threw it. Neji can use rotation to survive Desert Avalanche. Gaara could fly high into the air to avoid Neji's attacks all together. Neji can disperse chakra threw out his body to escape from Desert Coffin or getting his feet trapped in sand after Desert Avalnche is used. Neji could also use rotation to knock back Gaara's sand all together so Gaara wouldn't be able to use desert coffin. Neji's Byakugan would help greatly in avoiding Gaara's sand attacks. Its possible if Gaara is still on the ground for Neji to jump, dodge, & brake threw sand attacks to get in close so Neji can finish him using 64 palms. But Gaara could also use Armored Sand for this.

Ok I won't go any further but I will say it will be an interesting fight. Ether fighter could win this depending on how the fight plays out. But I'll give it to Neji. The reason for picking Gaara without shukaku is to limit his chakra supply & also because its our current Gaara.

Trey
08-06-2007, 08:21 PM
PostTS Neji Vs (Nix-Shukkaku) PostTS Gaara?

I don't know, if Gaara still has that colossal control of sand, I don't see how Neji could hope to win.

Vengeance
08-06-2007, 08:35 PM
PostTS Neji Vs (Nix-Shukkaku) PostTS Gaara?

I don't know, if Gaara still has that colossal control of sand, I don't see how Neji could hope to win.

Neji can stop chakra enriched attacks with his chakra striking taijutsu. He could also use his Byakugan & rotation to avoid & repel attacks. Neji also now has a Semi projectile which could also help in doing this. Neji could also brake Gaara's sand shield by striking it with chakra. Though it would be a very hard fight for Neji. I'm giving it to Neji if Gaara stays on the ground but with Gaara air born I'm not sure what Neji would be able to do. Possibly jump into the air & launch some projectile chakra to try & knock him off his cloud. Though this mite not work ether lol.

Trey
08-06-2007, 08:40 PM
Neji can stop chakra enriched attacks with his chakra striking taijutsu. He could also use his Byakugan & rotation to avoid & repel attacks. Neji also now has a Semi projectile which could also help in doing this. Neji could also brake Gaara's sand shield by striking it with chakra. Though it would be a very hard fight for Neji. I'm giving it to Neji if Gaara stays on the ground but with Gaara air born I'm not sure what Neji would be able to do. Possibly jump into the air & launch some projectile chakra to try & knock him off his cloud. Though this mite not work ether lol.

I'm as big a Neji fan as they come, but even I will admit Neji's Jyuuken is useless against Gaara's sand (unless Gaara uses the sand in his gourd).

And Neji's semi projectile is only an extension of his Jyuuken, which will not change anything at all. However, if he can get close up to Gaara, the Neji wins, hands down.

Nexus
08-06-2007, 08:47 PM
I say that Neji may have the advantage. With that new jutsu of his, Neji can fight at long distance like Gaara and perhaps be more effective at it.

shinovsnaruto
08-06-2007, 09:02 PM
I think that Neji would win because Gaara doesn't have the enormous amount of chakra anymore. He is now like everyone else

cyc
08-06-2007, 09:07 PM
Hmm, even though Neji has the distance attack, I think Garra has a clear cut advantage just being able to anipulate sand and everything around him. I doubt Neji would be able to get close enough to use his taijutsu on Garra. But hey Neji is a genius so he may surprise me, but i say Garra wins.

Trey
08-06-2007, 09:10 PM
Well, if Neji finds a way to get up close to Gaara, the battle is done. Gaara needs to be able to manipulate sand at the same level he did when he had the Shukkaku in order to bring down Neji.

Tengu
08-07-2007, 03:55 AM
i say thats a win for gaara cuz neji isnt skilled at long ranged
he's only good a taijetsu and his speed doesnt even match lee's without weights, im not saying neji is weak but its a problem for him to fight long ranged shinobis

nejismirk
08-07-2007, 04:16 AM
hmm..before the battle starts gaara is smart enough to have a considerable distance away from neji. and at that distance, gaara starts the sand showdown. neji is good at defense and i believe that he can block off gaara's killer sand moves but gaara has immense chakra (considering shukaku is still within him) and im positive that neji will run out of it before gaara does. sad to say but i dont think neji would be able to become closer to gaara in a distance that he would be able to hit his chakra points, and besides, there's still his friggin' sand armor even if he does hit him. and his new air palm move wouldn't do much help even though it is a long range attack if it will go against gaara's sand. im not sure who would really win though but i believe gaara as the upper hand in this.

Vengeance
08-07-2007, 07:26 AM
hmm..before the battle starts gaara is smart enough to have a considerable distance away from neji. and at that distance, gaara starts the sand showdown. neji is good at defense and i believe that he can block off gaara's killer sand moves but gaara has immense chakra (considering shukaku is still within him) and im positive that neji will run out of it before gaara does. sad to say but i dont think neji would be able to become closer to gaara in a distance that he would be able to hit his chakra points, and besides, there's still his friggin' sand armor even if he does hit him. and his new air palm move wouldn't do much help even though it is a long range attack if it will go against gaara's sand. im not sure who would really win though but i believe gaara as the upper hand in this.

Yeah accept that Gaara doesn't have shukaku for this fight. So Neji may not run out of chakra before Gaara would. Neji has never really shown signs of having a low chakra supply. Infact I'd say Neji has a fairly high chakra supply when compared to other Ninja. I won't argue anything else in your post. People are entitled to there own opinions.

MikeyM1979
08-07-2007, 07:36 AM
PostTS Neji Vs (Nix-Shukkaku) PostTS Gaara?

I don't know, if Gaara still has that colossal control of sand, I don't see how Neji could hope to win.
Does he still have Shukkaku? If not, then I give it to Neji. Neji's strikes should be able to make easy work of some of the sand since it's embeded with chakra. And even if the sand does get a hold of Neji, he can easily just release some chakra any point in his body, like he's done before.

nejismirk
08-07-2007, 09:43 AM
Yeah accept that Gaara doesn't have shukaku for this fight. So Neji may not run out of chakra before Gaara would. Neji has never really shown signs of having a low chakra supply. Infact I'd say Neji has a fairly high chakra supply when compared to other Ninja. I won't argue anything else in your post. People are entitled to there own opinions.

thanks thanks..^^ but yes i agree with you on that. gaara w/o the shukaku is a different story. we never saw gaara fight w/o the shukaku yet but technically he lost the great chakra supply which he uses for those colossal and instantaneous sand attacks as well as defense. in this case neji can do a better job with his jyuuken.;)

Trey
08-07-2007, 09:46 AM
Does he still have Shukkaku? If not, then I give it to Neji. Neji's strikes should be able to make easy work of some of the sand since it's embeded with chakra. And even if the sand does get a hold of Neji, he can easily just release some chakra any point in his body, like he's done before.

The only sand embedded with chakra is the sand in Gaara's gourd. Any sand he using from the ground, Neji's Jyuuken will have no effect on.

shadow_moon
08-07-2007, 09:47 AM
PostTS Neji Vs (Nix-Shukkaku) PostTS Gaara?

i'll go for neji if gaara still has shukaku i'll go for gaara.

Trey
08-07-2007, 09:48 AM
PostTS Neji Vs (Nix-Shukkaku) PostTS Gaara?

i'll go for neji if gaara still has shukaku i'll go for gaara.

Gaara doesn't have the Shukkaku anymore, that's the whole premise of the debate.

blake
08-07-2007, 10:47 AM
gaara. neji is a close range fighter gaara is distance. even if gaara doesnt have as much chakra he is still strong enogh to be a kage and u cant say the same for neji.

eaterpie
08-07-2007, 02:23 PM
But without the Shukaku Garra lacks alot of the power he once had regardless of the Kage title Neji would tear apart a weak Garra expecially post time skip without a doubt regardless of the sand lacking or having chakra in it Neji would close in fast and go to town no stopping his rush yo

garra.
08-08-2007, 12:34 AM
All this stuff about gaara losing chakra is most likley wrong.......O_o.......

This is because shukaku may be the weakest demon but obviusly he has ALOT of chakra........now if gaara was able to take shukakus chakra then he would be like naruto in one tail form plus his sand control...

Have you ever seen red chakra around gaara? Well I havn't and I have seen gaara run out of chakra pleanty of times with out going into a nother world and saying give me chakra.........so just for the record it's not chakra that shukaku gives him it's his sand powers........

And for how gaara can still control sand it's because he was born into a reincarnation with sukaku so it's also part of his power.......so there is a chance that he can still control sand just like before.........just think about before you try to make me change my mind,cuz I'm not...

What about oro vs the first hokage...


Sincerely garra.

nejismirk
08-08-2007, 03:02 AM
^whats most of us is implying is that gaara doesnt have that much of the chakra supply like he had before. we didnt say that he cant use sand jutsus anymore.

its like this you see, a naruto w/o the kyuubi. get it? you see the obvious effect.

anyway, on oro vs. shidaime.

sarutobi owned shidaime and nidaime at the sametime, then sarutobi was beaten by oro. with that given, oro wins.

katonha
08-08-2007, 01:09 PM
^whats most of us is implying is that gaara doesnt have that much of the chakra supply like he had before. we didnt say that he cant use sand jutsus anymore.

its like this you see, a naruto w/o the kyuubi. get it? you see the obvious effect.

anyway, on oro vs. shidaime.

sarutobi owned shidaime and nidaime at the sametime, then sarutobi was beaten by oro. with that given, oro wins.

What?
You can't nesseceairly say that Sarutobi owned both Nidaime and Shodaime because, one, those were mindless soldiers not the real Hokages. Plus, Sarutobi used the same jutsu on all three of them. Oro vs Shodaime, i would have to say Shodaime in my opinion.:cool:

shadow_moon
08-08-2007, 01:32 PM
Oro vs Shodaime

Shodaime for sure.

eaterpie
08-08-2007, 01:48 PM
Omg Garra is gay now

Nexus
08-08-2007, 02:51 PM
I say the Shodaime Hokage.

Vengeance
08-08-2007, 05:05 PM
Orochimaru vs. shidaime

I'll go for Oro on this one... Shidaime and Nidaime were probably the weakest Hokages besides Tsunade. The 3rd was known for being the strongest in his era (when the first & second were still alive) & the 4th is legendary. Orochimaru was Sarutobi's first pick for Hokage. Sarutobi was able to get past Shidaime and Nidaime (though had allot of trouble doing this). These versions of them had an intent to kill (because Orochimaru wiped there personalities) while Sarutobi probably was emotionally torn while fighting with them. Sarutobi was also an old man at this time.

GAma_Oyabun
08-08-2007, 09:03 PM
its shodai, and he and his brother were probably the weakest, but thats really not a good way to describe them. new jutsus were developed after their death and orochimaru was a master of jutsus. if it was shodai in the past vs orochimaru at the time he fought sandaime, then orochimaru would probably win.

nejismirk
08-09-2007, 03:23 AM
What?
You can't nesseceairly say that Sarutobi owned both Nidaime and Shodaime because, one, those were mindless soldiers not the real Hokages. Plus, Sarutobi used the same jutsu on all three of them. Oro vs Shodaime, i would have to say Shodaime in my opinion.:cool:

well actually i can say that coz those two has a killing intent against sarutobi, but still sarutobi owned them at the same time. and he's old. anyways, shidaime vs. oro who gained a heck of a lot of jutsus who beaten the third? again i say its oro. and for you,shidaime it is.

Trey
08-09-2007, 01:12 PM
This battle is flawed, since we have little information on the earlier Hokages.

eaterpie
08-10-2007, 01:48 PM
Me versus all of you yall lose

Nexus
08-10-2007, 05:04 PM
Here's one:

- (Post TS) Sakura vs. (Post TS) Neji

MikeyM1979
08-10-2007, 05:21 PM
Here's one:

- (Post TS) Sakura vs. (Post TS) NejiOh my. Sakura would get wrecked. Easily. Neji may not have her brute strength nor medical ninja abilities, but he's extremely accurate with his strikes, and he's damn sure faster than her. He's also a genius. Neji takes it 10/10 times.

Shrike
08-10-2007, 09:03 PM
Oh my. Sakura would get wrecked. Easily. Neji may not have her brute strength nor medical ninja abilities, but he's extremely accurate with his strikes, and he's damn sure faster than her. He's also a genius. Neji takes it 10/10 times.

Don't forget, though, that Sakura is hella smart as well. But I agree that Neji takes the win.

brandoi
08-10-2007, 09:09 PM
Lets see a worthy match... Neji vs Shikamaru. Both characters post timeskip

Vengeance
08-10-2007, 10:01 PM
Sakura vs. Neji....

Ummm yeah Ok.... without saying to much Neji wins hands down. Sakura hasn't shown great speed when compared to Neji. & her fight with Sasori doesn't mean shit. Chiyo was controlling her movements. Neji is all about reading your opponents movements then dodging & countering. I don't see Sakura landing any hits against Neji. Also once Neji gets started her strength will be decreased because Neji will be hitting her chakra points right away.

Winner: Neji


Neji vs. Shikamaru...

I hate when I have to judge fights between two of my more favorite characters. But I've thought this one out awhile ago so I'll add my two cents.

Its been shown that Shikamaru has a limited chakra supply. While Neji has shown to have a large chakra supply when compared to other Ninjas . Multiple people have already broken free of Shikamaru's shadow bind. Neji has proven time & time again that no trap like jutsu will hold him for long. I don't see Shikamaru's shadow being any different in this case. With the Byakugan, Neji can also dodge Shikamaru's shadow attacks & block explosive tags with Rotation if needed. Shikamaru has shown us speed on different occasions in shippuden. Shikamaru was able to dodge an attack from behind from Kakuzu while his attention was focused on holding Hidan in a shadow bind. Shikamaru was also able to dodge all of Hidans attacks, something even Asuma was unable to do. I won't discredit Hidan to much even though I think he's lame. Hidan is a close range fighter so I'll assume he's got some degree of skill in this area sense he was let into Akatsuki. But Neji has grown as a Ninja constantly sparring with the likes of Rock Lee & possibly Gai as well at this point. He's also got Tenten to attack him from every angle strengthening his reaction time & Byakugan. Even though I think Neji is better then all of these fighters (just my opinion) It does show that he excels in Taijutsu style combat which includes speed. What I'm getting at is that even though Shikamaru may be somewhat fast I don't think it'll be enough to dodge attacks from Neji. & once Neji gets in close & starts doing his thing the fight would be over rather quickly.

Winner: Neji

garra.
08-10-2007, 11:01 PM
What about shikamaru with a proper plan vs itachi with out sharingian?
Both after time skip...

Sincerely garra.

Vengeance
08-10-2007, 11:35 PM
What about shikamaru with a proper plan vs itachi with out sharingian?
Both after time skip...

Sincerely garra.

LoL Itachi without a sharingan.... ok that limits his jutsu use allot :)

All Itachi is allowed to do is Uchiha fire based jutsu & taijutsu. Lets give Itachi some ninja weapons as well. Shikamaru has already shown good maneuvering capability against Hidan who is a close range fighter. If Shikamaru is allowed to plan ahead I don't see Itachi standing a chance in this one.

Winner: Shikamaru

Edit: Is Itachi still blind without a sharingan in this LoL...

Trey
08-10-2007, 11:53 PM
Neji would win, since he'd see the Shadow Technique with his Byakugan.

@Shikamaru Vs Itachi

Itachi would win in two seconds.

Vengeance
08-11-2007, 12:04 AM
Neji would win, since he'd see the Shadow Technique with his Byakugan.

@Shikamaru Vs Itachi

Itachi would win in two seconds.

lol & how would itachi win in two seconds without a Sharingan when he's going blind & can't use genjutsu or any MK tecs?

Trey
08-11-2007, 12:07 AM
lol & how would itachi win in two seconds without a Sharingan when he's going blind & can't use genjutsu or any MK tecs?

Without the Sharingan? Okay, he still throws projectiles (kunais and ninja stars) better than anyone in the show. He knows powerful fire jutsus, and water jutsus, and Shikamaru can't even track the movement of Itachi's handseals.

Vengeance
08-11-2007, 12:10 AM
Without the Sharingan? Okay, he still throws projectiles (kunais and ninja stars) better than anyone in the show. He knows powerful fire jutsus, and water jutsus, and Shikamaru can't even track the movement of Itachi's handseals.

How would he be able to hit anything with projectiles if he's going blind without the aid of a sharingan? The so called water jutsu was genjutsu if I'm not mistaken. Besides that it was low level water jutsu to begin with. As for fire, thouse jutsu have been dodged time & time again. Face it Itachi would be nothing without a Sharingan. The dude is going blind from overusing MKs. If you take the current Itachi then remove his sharingan from the battle he has no hope of winning against Shikamaru with a plan already in place.

MikeyM1979
08-11-2007, 09:25 AM
Neji would win, since he'd see the Shadow Technique with his Byakugan.

@Shikamaru Vs Itachi

Itachi would win in two seconds.Oh my. Itachi would walk all over Shikamaru, easily, and quickly.

lol & how would itachi win in two seconds without a Sharingan when he's going blind & can't use genjutsu or any MK tecs?Since when can Itachi not use Sharingan or genjutsu or MS techniques? He may be going blind slowly, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have access to his Uchiha abilities. Last we saw, Itachi was still a rather large power house who was not to be messed with.

Vengeance
08-11-2007, 01:01 PM
What about shikamaru with a proper plan vs itachi with out sharingian?
Both after time skip...

Sincerely garra.

Mikey the original poster for this fight sed Shikamaru with a proper plan vs. Itachi without Sharingan.

Oh my. Itachi would walk all over Shikamaru, easily, and quickly.

Since when can Itachi not use Sharingan or genjutsu or MS techniques? He may be going blind slowly, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have access to his Uchiha abilities. Last we saw, Itachi was still a rather large power house who was not to be messed with.

Itachi uses his Sharingan for battle & wouldn't be able to see clearly, track his enemies movements, or predict there next ones without it. Nore would Itachi be able to use genjutsu or any MKs jutsu. All he really would have left is Uchiha fire jutsu which I've sed before has been dodged by just about everyone.

MikeyM1979
08-11-2007, 01:10 PM
Mikey the original poster for this fight sed Shikamaru with a proper plan vs. Itachi without Sharingan.Oh. I've never cared for handicaps in fights in order for someone to gain an advantage.

Itachi uses his Sharingan for battle & wouldn't be able to see clearly, track his enemies movements, or predict there next ones without it. Nore would Itachi be able to use genjutsu or any MKs jutsu. All he really would have left is Uchiha fire jutsu which I've sed before has been dodged by just about everyone.Aaand, that's retarded. If he's going to have that sort of handicap, then the fight shouldn't even happen. Shikamaru simply shouldn't be fighting someone who trumps him badly if there's going to be handicaps in order for him to have ANY sort of advantage.