This is the question kyf....


HOW THE FUCK CAN ITACHI SEE THE HACHIBI IN KILLER BEE WHERE DID YOU GET THIS FROM DO YOU HAVE A PANEL OR A DIRECT QUOTE.

Assumptions mean nothing here you can only back yourself up with 100% manga panel proof...

ITACHI CANNOT SEE BIJJU INSIDE HOSTS never has this been shown or even hinted at, he can prob see kyuubi but thats because the sharingan and kyuubi have a connection HOWEVER THATS ALSO AN ASSUMPTION.

Because what you can't prove didn't happen.

OMFG, sasukes noobish ass was able to see the kyuubi inside naruto and hes a noob with the SG in comparison to itachi. Whats next, ur going to argue sasuke is better with the SG Lol!

U forget, sasukes not trained to use the SG like itachi with madara. Sasuke just does what comes naturally which could also mean its a natural ability for a uchiha with a 3 tomoe SG if sasuke could do it.

OMFG, sasukes noobish ass was able to see the kyuubi inside naruto and hes a noob with the SG in comparison to itachi. Whats next, ur going to argue sasuke is better with the SG Lol!That was kyuubi NOT HACHIBI... and even then till anythings proven you can't assume like that in a debate only thing that matters are facts...

U forget, sasukes not trained to use the SG like itachi with madara. Sasuke just does what comes naturally which could also mean its a natural ability for a uchiha with a 3 tomoe SG if sasuke could do it.No it doesn't mean others can do it .. Its obvious sasuke can only do it with kyuubi BUT HACHIBI IS NOT KYUUBI... and sharingan abilities vary from person to person. for example shisui whom had a 3 tome sharingan had a unique ability while itachi and sasuke have never shown this ability...

Theres nothing more you can say at this point you're just repeating yourself from 10 posts ago ..

[QUOTE]That was kyuubi NOT HACHIBI... and even then till anythings proven you can't assume like that in a debate only thing that matters are facts...

Ok then. Fact, the same seal that held the juubi is the same that holds the kyuubi and hachibi because that jutsu was passed down from RS and is still used with jinchurrici.

So because of that fact, the hachibis going to be sealed in the same way the kyuubi is which sasuke got to without so much as any SG training lol. Sasuke peered into narutos conscious to see what his specail power was and found the Kyuubi. If sasuke can do it the itachi can freaking do it because unlike sasuke, itachi has been trained on how to use his SG by madara the kyuubi slayer lol.

No it doesn't mean others can do it .. Its obvious sasuke can only do it with kyuubi BUT HACHIBI IS NOT KYUUBI... and sharingan abilities vary from person to person. for example shisui whom had a 3 tome sharingan had a unique ability while itachi and sasuke have never shown this ability...

Theres nothing more you can say at this point you're just repeating yourself from 10 posts ago ..

The hachibis going to be in the same place the kyuubi is thanks to the same seal!!!
And vary my Tush!!! Kishi said the SG subdued even bijuu, meaning the SG power.

Are u saying Rikudou couldnt use shinrei tensai, a basic power of the Rinnegan? Are u saying hinata cant see chakra points? Of course they can because thats one of the powers of theyre doujutsu.

And since no training was needed then add conscious peering to the SGs abilites along with Bijuu subduing!!! Sasuke didnt train in genjutsu yet he can use it because of the SG as well.

Ok then. Fact, the same seal that held the juubi is the same that holds the kyuubi and hachibi because that jutsu was passed down from RS and is still used with jinchurrici.WHAT THE FUK???? LOL naruto's seal is different from every other jinchurikis minato used death god to seal it and the 8 trigram seal over another type of seal.. chiyo used another sealing method etc etc..... i cannot believe you just said this lol,, so you fail to prove something then u try to cover it up with more nonsense?


Like I said itachi can't see the hachibi nor has it been proven that he can even see the kyuubi, and just cause one sharingan user can do something doesn't mean the others can as well as I have proved with Shisui's case...

[QUOTE]WHAT THE FUK???? LOL naruto's seal is different from every other jinchurikis minato used death god to seal it and the 8 trigram seal over another type of seal.. chiyo used another sealing method etc etc..... i cannot believe you just said this lol,, so you fail to prove something then u try to cover it up with more nonsense?

Lol, SHikifuujin was used to take the kyuubis soul out then seal half the chakra, but madara said himself the seal RS used to seal the juubi is still use on jinchurrici today. Unless u can provide proof minato made a completly new sea, not a variation.

Like I said itachi can't see the hachibi nor has it been proven that he can even see the kyuubi, and just cause one sharingan user can do something doesn't mean the others can as well as I have proved with Shisui's case...[/

Shishui had a special jutsu that was unique to him. Sasuke however just went in narutos head and ended up at the kyuubis cage. And last I checked peoples minds can be invaded by SG genjutsu and even controled like how itachi did to that girl for Jman at the in.

We can argue this tomarrow!!!

hishui had a special jutsu that was unique to him. Sasuke however just went in narutos head and ended up at the kyuubis cage. And last I checked peoples minds can be invaded by SG genjutsu and even controled like how itachi did to that girl for Jman at the in.the point was you said that all 3 tome sharingan users are able to do the same shit obviously they aren't.. and nothing you can say will ever change the fact that itachi was never shown to go in to any jinchurikis mind and saying just because sasuek can means itachi can is called an assumption not fact.. and sasuke has neve gone into kirabi's mind like he did with naruto and kyuubi which adds more fails to your side. you arguing things that never happened lol.

there's nothing to argue here you're wrong and thats that. about the seals i won't bother what the manga already stated in part 1 by jiraiya read it and weap..

Sasuke went into Naruto's mind & met the Kyuubi. He got into Naruto's mind through Naruto's eyes. Hachibi wouldn't have eyes since it's just chakra trapped within Kirabi. A bushin double genjutsu wouldn't work because the only way to cast sharingan gen is from the eyes. Meaning even with two clones it's still targeting the same person. Anyone with half a brain could figure out that that dumb arse tactic would fail on Kirabi because he's shown the ability to resist MS level genjutsu. Grow a brain KY.

Not determined. Basically, an undetermined amount of time in this case. Since we don't know how long a Bijuu can be in submission, the time amount is indefinite.



Relying on an ally to break one's self out of a genjutsu is the last resort, after that, you just give up. However, the first step is trying to get out of a genjutsu yourself. First, you disrupt your own chakra flow however, if the genjutsu is too strong, the only way to get out is to have a person their chakra into your chakra network, this breaks the irregular channel however, even a little of the Bijuu's chakra is many folds more denser than that of the average shinobi. If Killer Bee overflows his body by channeling the Bijuu's chakra himself, he can effectively break the irregular channel himself.

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-259/page010.html

Naruto simply didn't use his Bijuu's chakra, that would have been a sufficient force in disrupting his irregular chakra flow.

Sorry, didnt want u to think I was Ignoring ya. I was alittle busy proving sasuke chidori gatana is no different then KBs raiton sword.

Anyways, KB said himself he can break out of any illusion because he has his bijuu there to snap him out. Not just summon a ton of chakra to get out, but needs his bijuu to do it manualy himself which is why Ive been saying if itachi takes control of the hachibi for even a second he can hit KB with tsukuyomi and its over. And just as weve seen this chapter the hachibi cant revive KB.

Sasuke went into Naruto's mind & met the Kyuubi. He got into Naruto's mind through Naruto's eyes. Hachibi wouldn't have eyes since it's just chakra trapped within Kirabi. A bushin double genjutsu wouldn't work because the only way to cast sharingan gen is from the eyes. Meaning even with two clones it's still targeting the same person. Anyone with half a brain could figure out that that dumb arse tactic would fail on Kirabi because he's shown the ability to resist MS level genjutsu. Grow a brain KY.

LMAO, ur not one to criticize Mr. zabuza can beat kisame lol.

And last I checked, KB had F-ing eyes so he will be able to be invaded just like naruto and guess whos going to be in a giant cage in there. Yep the hachibi.

So, a clone enters the mind and genjutsus the hachibi while the real itachi hits KB with tsukuyomi and its over in a second!! Or itachi could just amaterasu KB and leave because without being in full size bijuu form KB has no room to replace hendge.

Or how about itachi uses his supirior speed to get behind KB and put a kunai in his brainstim killing him instantly. Take ur pick!!!!
Itachi beat Oro with a paralysing genjutsu/taijutsu combo and he can do the same to KB because KB only has to be paralysed for a second before itachi uses shushin to get behind him.

Okay how bout this.....Kakashi Vs. Naruto(now)

...............................Pein Vs. the Akataski(w/o Konan)

...............................Neji,Lee, Kiba,Shino,Sakura, and Shikamaru Vs.Kabuto,Zabuza,Team Hawk(w/o Sasuke) and The guy with the byakugan implant.

and finally............Sarutobi(prime), the 4th, SAGE Naruto, Jaraiya, Tsunade(healthy), 1st and 2nd hokage Vs. mizukage, tsuchikage, raikage, Kazekage(sorry Gaara),Orochimaru, and Kimimmaru.

U make it kakashi vs base naruto and we have a fight!!!!

Then again, as long as naruto doesnt magicaly start off in SM then kakashi could still possibly win.

kakashi vs naruto

at base naruto, kakashi has fighting chance, but stll less winning chance. naruto 6-4 kakashi
if sm allowed, it would be overkill, naruto 9-1 kakashi.



Neji,Lee, Kiba,Shino,Sakura, and Shikamaru Vs.Kabuto,Zabuza,Team Hawk(w/o Sasuke) and Ao

shikamaru + shino takes the cake. no living chance for the other team. team konoha 9-1 random guys.



Sarutobi(prime), the 4th, SAGE Naruto, Jaraiya, Tsunade(healthy), 1st and 2nd hokage Vs. mizukage, tsuchikage, raikage, Kazekage Gaara ,Orochimaru, and Kimimmaru.


obvious winner is obvious. team konoha 10-0 random guys.



Pein Vs. the Akataski(w/o Konan)

pain would be overwhelmed. too many opponents and all strong at that. try not smoking too much crack it's getting to your nerves.

Okay how bout this.....Kakashi Vs. Naruto(now)


Kakashi is yet to see with his own eyes naruto's power so will not go head on or he'll use a clone to find out giving naruto time to prepare since he is a master in clone usage.

If kakashi allows naruto to go into KM or SM, he is as good as dead.

Kakashi has to resort to mainly genjustu since naruto is weak there and naruto knows how most of his jutsu works esp kamui.

Kakashi cant use kamui until he is damn sure the real naruto is the target.

In BM naruto, I'll go for kakashi win even though naruto's got some new power up in BM.

Even without Sage Mode, it was made clear that after gaining a jutsu that surpasses Rasengan, he essentially surpassed Kakashi. (Obtaining Sage Mode was more, or less about him ridding the gap Jiraiya had over Naruto.

Though, since Naruto can't use Rasen Shuriken (because Sage Mode is restricted [in this battle] and using it without Sage Mode is impractical because of the drawbacks), his strongest ninjutsu is gone however, Naruto still has 5 jutsu that are anything but a walk in a park for Kakashi.

-Rasengan (this jutsu is strong enough to parry a full blown Chidori.)

-Oodama Rasengan (this explosive attack can effectively blow through Kakashi's strongest defensive ninjutsu. Which is probably Earth Style: Wall)

-Fuuton: Rasengan (what is Kakashi going to do here? Use a Katon in close range? It'll explode in his face. Naruto won't suffer damage because Naruto himself doesn't have to be the one too spring the jutsu. Besides, in the manga Kakashi doesn't have Katon.)

-Summoning Jutsu (what is Kakashi going to do if Gamabunta comes to town?)

-Mass Shadow Clones (Naruto can toss dozens of traps and feints at Kakashi.)

I see Naruto winning this.

Of course it would be a very tactical fight. In order to lessen the numbers against him, Kakashi will likely have to make several shadow clones however, Kakashi can't afford to use powerful ninjutsu when he's fighting like that.

Reason one: His chakra is divided into too many portions.

Reason two: Sharingan is active.

Both of those conditions limits Kakashi's effectiveness when he splits his chakra for the sake of shadow clones. An extended period of time in battle puts Kakashi at a disadvantage.

In terms of ninja tactics, the two aren't that far apart. During chapter 246, Naruto kept up pretty well against Kakashi's reflexes. If Naruto can keep up that well with only two shadow clones, imagine what he could do with 1000.

THe misconception that Kakashi can simply lay waste to 1000 shadow clones originates from the anime's spin on the training session. In part II Naruto only used mass shadow clones to face Pain, and it resulted to Pain taking a Rasengan to his gut.

It's simply illogical to assume Kakashi would just shit on 1000 shadow clones after the timeskip just because Sasuke and bone boy took down the lot of them when Naruto wasn't as skilled in taijutsu, or any other shinobi tactics at the time.

Yes however naruto wasn't skileld with shadow clones to the extent he isin part 2 his timing is great and his usage of the bushinns are good as well he doesn't just waste them anymore like he use to. he now know how to use them the right way in battle...

Even without Sage mode naruto would win over kakashi kakashi knows this which is why he said..

"you have become so strong to the point where you and I are equals or you may even be stronger then Me"

That's what sealed the case for me those words.

Yes however naruto wasn't skileld with shadow clones to the extent he isin part 2 his timing is great and his usage of the bushinns are good as well he doesn't just waste them anymore like he use to. he now know how to use them the right way in battle...

I agree, I'm just saying people think mass shadow clones will get poofed like how they were 3 years ago. If I remember this right, they held enough endurance to withstand shinra tensei (after clinging together) when they attempted to bumrush him from all angles.

the most durable shadow clones i ever saw was sarutobi's they took full on hits and didn't disperse, he was def to fucking skilled shame we didn't see him fight at his prime... same goes for all the hokages(excluding tsunade).

Even without Sage Mode, it was made clear that after gaining a jutsu that surpasses Rasengan, he essentially surpassed Kakashi. (Obtaining Sage Mode was more, or less about him ridding the gap Jiraiya had over Naruto.

Though, since Naruto can't use Rasen Shuriken (because Sage Mode is restricted [in this battle] and using it without Sage Mode is impractical because of the drawbacks), his strongest ninjutsu is gone however, Naruto still has 5 jutsu that are anything but a walk in a park for Kakashi.

-Rasengan (this jutsu is strong enough to parry a full blown Chidori.)

-Oodama Rasengan (this explosive attack can effectively blow through Kakashi's strongest defensive ninjutsu. Which is probably Earth Style: Wall)

-Fuuton: Rasengan (what is Kakashi going to do here? Use a Katon in close range? It'll explode in his face. Naruto won't suffer damage because Naruto himself doesn't have to be the one too spring the jutsu. Besides, in the manga Kakashi doesn't have Katon.)

-Summoning Jutsu (what is Kakashi going to do if Gamabunta comes to town?)

-Mass Shadow Clones (Naruto can toss dozens of traps and feints at Kakashi.)

I see Naruto winning this.

Of course it would be a very tactical fight. In order to lessen the numbers against him, Kakashi will likely have to make several shadow clones however, Kakashi can't afford to use powerful ninjutsu when he's fighting like that.

Reason one: His chakra is divided into too many portions.

Reason two: Sharingan is active.

Both of those conditions limits Kakashi's effectiveness when he splits his chakra for the sake of shadow clones. An extended period of time in battle puts Kakashi at a disadvantage.

In terms of ninja tactics, the two aren't that far apart. During chapter 246, Naruto kept up pretty well against Kakashi's reflexes. If Naruto can keep up that well with only two shadow clones, imagine what he could do with 1000.

THe misconception that Kakashi can simply lay waste to 1000 shadow clones originates from the anime's spin on the training session. In part II Naruto only used mass shadow clones to face Pain, and it resulted to Pain taking a Rasengan to his gut.

It's simply illogical to assume Kakashi would just shit on 1000 shadow clones after the timeskip just because Sasuke and bone boy took down the lot of them when Naruto wasn't as skilled in taijutsu, or any other shinobi tactics at the time.

Lol, Naruto surpassed kakashi in ninjutsu as as the fourth (by making the Fuuton rasengan). However, it was kakashis Idea and training that allowed naruto to be able to even achieve FR and SM thanks to kakashi explaining how to use his KBs. Otherwise naruto would still be sitting in a field trying his damndest to look right and left at the same time.

Kakashi is smarter and can use far more effective tactics with KBs then even naruto which he showed in the fight with deva. And with kakashis speed being on a whole other level narutos in serious trouble of getting blitzed by a chidori.

Whats even worse is kakashi knows about naruto stamina and power so hes going to try and end it quickly because his chakra is small in comparrison.

And just like with zabuza kakashi can just hypnotise naruto with genjutsu into doing exactly what he wants then take him out.

The if kyuubi power kicks in, here comes the seal Jman gave him and its over.

Kakashis speed, far more effective tactics, genjutsu and if need be just kamui.

Narutos use of only KBs and rasengans limits him far too much in base mode. Well and summons like gama which the SG can hypnotise to attack naruto instead.

narutos gotten pretty good, but without SM to overwhelm and wear down kakashi narutos not going to win.

Kakashi Hatake"Naruto you have become so strong to the point where you and I are equal or you may even be STRONGER!!!!"

kakashi himself knows naruto>him.

Kakashi Hatake"Naruto you have become so strong to the point where you and I are equal or you may even be STRONGER!!!!"

kakashi himself knows naruto>him.

Im not going to debate with u about naruto because not matter what anyone posts to say otherwise ur still going to believe naruto could actually beay kakashi n base mode.

And kakashi said and I quote: "naruto, have u become so strong that uve even surpassed me". After showing up, robbing kakuzu of his intelligence of 93 years and beating him. Still, kakashi killed two hearts as well. And shika killed the eart syle heart that wouldve left the futton rasengan useless thanks to Iron skin.

@anyone that believes bsae naruto could actually win with his manga feats(exept Myth):
Come on now. Naruto has only shown actual strategy with only four KBs, not his entire taijuu 200 so thats not going to fly. And since narutos limited to only four KBs kakashi can match it and use his supirior speed and skill to wipe out all four including the real naruto.

And dont say naruto can create already hendged KBs without so much as an ounce of smoke because PNJ skills dont count which why we dont say sasuke if in danger and out of chakra can just summon a boss summon and transport out of there.

Narutos advantages: Power and stamina.

Kakashis advantages: everything else lol!!! Including genjutsu narutos achillies heal!!!

Naruto at base was up to par with Kakashi in the beginning of part 2. With fuuton training he's surpassed him. With Sage mode he totally outclasses him.

Naruto at base was up to par with Kakashi in the beginning of part 2. With fuuton training he's surpassed him. With Sage mode he totally outclasses him.

Dude, kakashi was toying around and still chumped naruto in the KB contesthttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/246/09/
And then all naruto did was use kakashi love of Jman new Book to get him to close his eyes so not to read narutos lips which wouldnt of happened in a real battle lol. Kakashi with his love of that book wouldve just sucked narutos head into another deminsion with kamui so not to know the ending lol.

The rest was all anime filler, nothing more. The only scuffle naruto and kakashi had, kakashi chumped naruto completly.

And with fuuton training naruto learned to make a jutsu that would never hit kakashi and use four KBs with startegy which Kakashi can do as well, exept he can do it better and far faster.

Naruto at base cant beat kakashi with his dismal manga feats. He needs SM to overwhlem kakashi.

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-343/page010.html
Kyf you fucking fail NOW STFU.

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-343/page010.html
Kyf you fucking fail NOW STFU.

Lol, kakashi trying to cheer narutos fail up!!! And says hes on equal footing, WTF? Equal footing?

U wana know what makes this sentence null, Actions>>>>>words!!! All of kakashis manga feats arent going to suddenly not count because naruto was sad and kakashi just wanted to cheer him up.

Lol, I was wondering why u didnt post this link because all though kakashi says naruto has surpassed him, he then says why he thinks that lol (the creation of the Fuuton rasengan)http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-342/page005.html

Ha haaaaaa, stronger jutsu doesnt make narutos other fails disappear lol!

listen im sorry but the amnga doesn't work to how YOU want to translate it.. what it says there is naruto = kakashi or naruto>kakashi..

that's all, complain to kishi not me he wrote it thats how it is plain and simple.

EDIT: YOU DO REALIZE THE LINK I POSTED WAS THE CHAPTER AFTER THE ONE YOU POSTED MEANING KISHI RE THOUGHT SOMETHING AND WROTE IT IN THAT WAY...

Like i said you failed now stfu...

listen im sorry but the amnga doesn't work to how YOU want to translate it.. what it says there is naruto = kakashi or naruto>kakashi..

that's all, complain to kishi not me he wrote it thats how it is plain and simple.

EDIT: YOU DO REALIZE THE LINK I POSTED WAS THE CHAPTER AFTER THE ONE YOU POSTED MEANING KISHI RE THOUGHT SOMETHING AND WROTE IT IN THAT WAY...

Like i said you failed now stfu...

Lol, zetsu said naruto beat pain ON HIS OWN, Completly wrong. Naruto said sasuke defeated itachi, completly wrong. DO u see how this words<<<<<actions things work lol.

Whats even worse is kishi explains why kakashi thinks narutos surpassed him (the creation of the Futton rasengan)http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-342/page005.html, nothing esle. Creating jutsu someone else hasnt doesnt make u able to suddenly beat them in real combat otherwise sasuke if known about kakashis raiton bushin would say, kakashi u have surpassed me lol. BS, sasuke would kick kakashis ass in real combat.

Lol, zetsu said naruto beat pain ON HIS OWN, Completly wrong. Naruto said sasuke defeated itachi, completly wrong. DO u see how this words<<<<<actions things work lol.

Whats even worse is kishi explains why kakashi thinks narutos surpassed him (the creation of the Futton rasengan)http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-342/page005.html, nothing esle. Creating jutsu someone else hasnt doesnt make u able to suddenly beat them in real combat otherwise sasuke if known about kakashis raiton bushin would say, kakashi u have surpassed me lol. BS, sasuke would kick kakashis ass in real combat.

No kishi wrote that in chapter 342

he then wrote that naruto=kakashi or naruto>kakashi
in chapter 343....

Im sorry buddy thats how it is complain to the author, Naruto did beat pain on his own he used all his power and all his techniques, hence why he said he beat him on his own....

Kishi isn't an idiot he writes this if you don't like it stop reading and gtfo its not like anyone will miss you.

yeah because Kakashi activating sharingan means he's just dicking around. riiiiiiiight o & fyi it was kakashi who was in a bad position in that exchange not Naruto. But that's ok keep fanning it's the only thing you're good at.

kyf, whoever said that naruto using henge to transform is a pnj skill? henge is a basic ninja skill taught at academy, and naruto, battlewise, is a smart-ass. it is not comparable with sasuke summoning manda without chakra for pnj skill candidacy. sasuke using that skill is purely pnj.

and also, kakashi teaching naruto doesnt make him all far a better ninja. if that is the case, you are just limiting the student at the borderline of his teachers talents. Naruto has surpassed kakashi, that is manga fact,from kakashi himself, in base mode or no. true kakashi is diverse in his skills because of his copycat abilities. he has 1 eye sharingan, and he has kamui. but naruto with just kagebunshin and henge and rasengan, coupled by his stamina and endurance is far more deadlier than all of kakashi's techniques. i'm sure you are just failing to see it. kakashi being smarter is not gonna matter more here, because naruto is also smart battlewise. and naruto has more guts in him than kakashi has. naruto > kakashi, base mode and sage mode. if you still think otherwise, try again.

The kids arguing the authors words saying the author is wrong lmfaoo i mean that explains a whole lot about his mentality.

New fight..

Garra vs Sasuke

Garra has shukaku and can do everything he has shown in part 1 and 2, sasuke has his mks and his current abilities...

Garra also has control of his demon.

No kishi wrote that in chapter 342

he then wrote that naruto=kakashi or naruto>kakashi
in chapter 343....

Im sorry buddy thats how it is complain to the author, Naruto did beat pain on his own he used all his power and all his techniques, hence why he said he beat him on his own....

Kishi isn't an idiot he writes this if you don't like it stop reading and gtfo its not like anyone will miss you.

Oh dear god u are the most fanning person Ive ever met to say that shit!!!

Naruto didnt beat weakend pain on his own. He had the help of Ma, Pa, Mas summons, hinata, the kyuubi, minato and Jman plus kakashis info on the realms abilites!!! Thats not by himself unless naruto is nine different people lol!!

Ur not even noticing that in my chapter kakashi says naruto did surpass him, but in urs naruto is only equal. How the hell is that in ur favor since kakashi already admitted its because of the FR, nothing else. Narutos completion of the fourths jutsu which kakashi had to show naruto how to complete LMAO.

Kakashi>base naruto in manga feats alone!!!

yeah because Kakashi activating sharingan means he's just dicking around. riiiiiiiight o & fyi it was kakashi who was in a bad position in that exchange not Naruto. But that's ok keep fanning it's the only thing you're good at.

WHat do u mean activating? His SG is always active, he just used it.

ANd r u blind or just drunk? Kakashi was hidden the whole time while naruto was trying to best kakashis KBS lol. Naruto got schooled and u know it.

Im fanning, ur fakest fan Ive ever met! U say u cant stand naruto yet overestimate the crap out of him 24/7!!

For instance in the scuffle narto had with kakashis clones lol. how in the hell could u see naruto besting kakashi when kakashi created two bushins and slipped under ground without naruto even noticing meaning kakashi couldve taken out naruto right there if he wanted to lol. Thast F-ing fanning! Irrationally reinterpriting info to fit ur bias oppinion like Myth does. Do u wonder why I think yall r the same sometimes?

kyf, whoever said that naruto using henge to transform is a pnj skill? henge is a basic ninja skill taught at academy, and naruto, battlewise, is a smart-ass. it is not comparable with sasuke summoning manda without chakra for pnj skill candidacy. sasuke using that skill is purely pnj.

and also, kakashi teaching naruto doesnt make him all far a better ninja. if that is the case, you are just limiting the student at the borderline of his teachers talents. Naruto has surpassed kakashi, that is manga fact,from kakashi himself, in base mode or no. true kakashi is diverse in his skills because of his copycat abilities. he has 1 eye sharingan, and he has kamui. but naruto with just kagebunshin and henge and rasengan, coupled by his stamina and endurance is far more deadlier than all of kakashi's techniques. i'm sure you are just failing to see it. kakashi being smarter is not gonna matter more here, because naruto is also smart battlewise. and naruto has more guts in him than kakashi has. naruto > kakashi, base mode and sage mode. if you still think otherwise, try again.

Lol, kakashis words r concerning the Fuuton rasengan, not naruto ability in combat LMAO!!! It even says that yet u people just ignore that so u can keep believing naruto could actually beat kakashi.

The kids arguing the authors words saying the author is wrong lmfaoo i mean that explains a whole lot about his mentality.

New fight..

Garra vs Sasuke

Garra has shukaku and can do everything he has shown in part 1 and 2, sasuke has his mks and his current abilities...

Garra also has control of his demon.

I agree with the author LMAO, naruto has surpassed kakashi (in making a jutsu he couldnt), but nothing else. Kishi exlains this, but to keep up the lie I guess u just ignored that part, right.

1 more damn time read the entire page and u will know Im right if u can quit being close minded about naruto being the best no matter what.

Read and weep Oops wrong onehttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-342/page005.html

Gaara vs sasuke

Gaara having full control of his demon is a big question mark, because i dunno what would be his other skills if he turns bijuu mode. and also when shukaku revealed itself,it was just doing what a giant monster in a godzilla movie would do, destroy trees, fight the giant enemy. no further techs was shown that i remember. unless of course you consider what KB with full control of his bijuu can actually do, that is go version 2, and have uber speed. Gaara having speed increase is dangerous.

as we have seen recently, gaara can control tons of sand even when his bijuu was extracted. and depending on the battlefield, ex. vs kimimaru, his sand usage is almost infinite. he has auto-protect, and can attack at the same time while defending. Amaterasu was cancelled by gaara's sand defense. Tsukuyomi? if that thing is instantaneous so that there would be no chance of shukaku disrupting his chakra flow, then gaara will lose the instant he is under tsukuyomi. but if its effect is not that fast, same as a regular genjutsu, having control of your bijuu renders all genjutsu attacks useless. regarding susannoo, sasuke has at least half control of it. and there is no proof that sasuke got the sword of totsuka from itachi, meaning susanoo would still be a technique that would give sasuke time to cry while eating hot ramen. Sasuke is a sitting duck inside susanoo. but i wonder how gaara would penetrate that, though surely if sasuke uses susanoo, battle freezes at a stalemate until sasuke releases the jutsu or he dies of exhaustion. Gaara has advantages over sasuke's MS techs. however sasuke has clear advantage from his lightning elemental attacks. as we know, lightning > earth. if sasuke sticks to his lightning element, Gaara however his defenses may be so perfect, would get pierced by chidori variations. that gives sasuke the clear advantage over Gaara, whereas gaara can only neutralize sasuke's MS attacks.. Sasuke 7-3 Gaara. Sasuke wins because of his chidori variations.

Sasuke had chidori nagashi (full body chidori) he can just run stright through Gaaras sand defense and chidori gaara and kill him. Lol, this isnt much of a fight. If gaara Immediatly goes full bijuu mode and use posem jutsu then sasuke supress shukaku with his SG. If jumps in the air n his sand ball and uses sand to attacks sasuke can just jump up and chidori lance Gaara from a distance of 15 metters going through the ball and Gaara.

Sasuke 9-1 gaara without MS jutsu!!!

Lol, kakashis words r concerning the Fuuton rasengan, not naruto ability in combat LMAO!!! It even says that yet u people just ignore that so u can keep believing naruto could actually beat kakashi.
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at your link, i see kakashi saying "Naruto's gotten so strong.. He's.. surpassed me.". Now, he did not say, Naruto has gotten a strong jutsu, did he? read everything ffs so u can understand a bit. you are contesting that what kakashi meant was Naruto became stronger because he was able to take on a jutsu the 4th couldn't complete farther than he can ever hope to. try reading the panel above, kakashi praised naruto's improvisation to come up with a strategy to ensure the jutsu would hit, and naruto did it so fast. now if Kakashi was only praising Naruto's FRS, he wouldn't have said that, would he?

btw, your link just proved you wrong. i wont suggest you try again. better, just admit what is canonz.

Sasuke is a sitting duck inside susanoo. but i wonder how gaara would penetrate that

In a prediction I came up with the concept of Gaara channelling the sand up from under Susanoo.

Amaterasu is practically useless against Gaara. This makes fire elemental ninjutsu as a whole obselete as an offensive weapon. However, Sasuke's lightning elemental ninjutsu puts him at an advantage against Gaara's sand defenses.

Since Gaara is a long ranged shinobi and doesn't bother to close the gap (because he can't afford too against a Raiton user) this puts Gaara at risk of getting hit by Kirin.

Though, it was mentioned that Gaara has his Bijuu. Well I'm curious of the level of control he had prior to it being taken away. I know he at least had some decent control.

at your link, i see kakashi saying "Naruto's gotten so strong.. He's.. surpassed me.". Now, he did not say, Naruto has gotten a strong jutsu, did he? read everything ffs so u can understand a bit. you are contesting that what kakashi meant was Naruto became stronger because he was able to take on a jutsu the 4th couldn't complete farther than he can ever hope to. try reading the panel above, kakashi praised naruto's improvisation to come up with a strategy to ensure the jutsu would hit, and naruto did it so fast. now if Kakashi was only praising Naruto's FRS, he wouldn't have said that, would he?

btw, your link just proved you wrong. i wont suggest you try again. better, just admit what is canonz.

WFT, I said read the whole damn page!!! Kakashi clearly says right after u have surpassed me "being able to makes a jutsu even the fourth didnt" refering to the FR. Thats all kakashi said, nothing about narutos ability to best him in combat, just that one jutsu, read the whole damn page top to bottom in Orderhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-342/page005.html

In a prediction I came up with the concept of Gaara channelling the sand up from under Susanoo.

Amaterasu is practically useless against Gaara. This makes fire elemental ninjutsu as a whole obselete as an offensive weapon. However, Sasuke's lightning elemental ninjutsu puts him at an advantage against Gaara's sand defenses.

Since Gaara is a long ranged shinobi and doesn't bother to close the gap (because he can't afford too against a Raiton user) this puts Gaara at risk of getting hit by Kirin.

Though, it was mentioned that Gaara has his Bijuu. Well I'm curious of the level of control he had prior to it being taken away. I know he at least had some decent control.

Yea, Gaaras sand can block amaterasu if sasuke ingintes it infront of him, but amaterasu ignites wherever the user is focusing on like a summoning meaning if sasuke even for a second gets a clear look at Gaara hes covered in amaterasu.

ANyways, IMO sasuke doesnt even Need MS jutsu to beat Gaara. Just his raiton jutsu and his speed. The only time I could imagine sasuke needing a MS jutsu is if somehow Gaara manages to get sasuke into his sink hole, then huge sand cauffin like what he did to kimi. sasuke would need partial sasanoo to keep from getting crushed. Then again, a ful body chidori should do the trick too.

WHat do u mean activating? His SG is always active, he just used it.
By activate I mean removing his forehead protector from his eye. He does this when he wants to use the sharingan.

ANd r u blind or just drunk?
Didn't start drinking yet but thanks for asking.

Kakashi was hidden the whole time while naruto was trying to best kakashis KBS lol. Naruto got schooled and u know it.
How was Naruto schooled exactly when he had the KB in the compromising position? This is what you fail to understand Naruto was keeping up with his movements dumbarse.

Im fanning, ur fakest fan Ive ever met! U say u cant stand naruto yet overestimate the crap out of him 24/7!!
Anyone who actually knows me knows I can't stand Naruto's persona & like to make fun of him. That doesn't change the fact that I'm willing to give an honest assessment of his battle capability. You on the other hand fan to death character's you like & try to make them invincible against all opponents.

For instance in the scuffle narto had with kakashis clones lol. how in the hell could u see naruto besting kakashi when kakashi created two bushins and slipped under ground without naruto even noticing meaning kakashi couldve taken out naruto right there if he wanted to lol. Thast F-ing fanning! Irrationally reinterpriting info to fit ur bias oppinion like Myth does. Do u wonder why I think yall r the same sometimes?
Bla bla bla & bla it's like talking to a wall that likes to repeat the same crap. I already explained my view on the situation Naruto clearly did not get schooled but was actually keeping up with Kakashi in the short exchange they did have. Proof is in the manga get over yourself KY & get a life.

Yea, Gaaras sand can block amaterasu if sasuke ingintes it infront of him, but amaterasu ignites wherever the user is focusing on like a summoning meaning if sasuke even for a second gets a clear look at Gaara hes covered in amaterasu.

Amaterasu chases the opponent if he, or she has the opportunity to run (before it eventually catches up). It's not instant, it is near instant. In close range the opponent is likely to get tourched immediate however, from further distances, you at least have time to evade before it hits (though it is still going to track regardless unless the shinobi moves at speeds beyond the sharingan's capturing abilities).

What was Sasuke doing when he was facing off against Gaara and the sand jounin? He wasn't just playing around with black flames (it's obviously abundances of chakra be expelled). Before the Amaterasu got to Gaara and his cohorts, he dawned the Sand to quickly shield the flames.

In a prediction I came up with the concept of Gaara channelling the sand up from under Susanoo.


so that's where i got this vague idea up my head. i remember i read somewhere that the susanoo blind spot is underneath since it can be toppled like what raikage did. but i wasn't sure if i read that from the manga or no.


WFT, I said read the whole damn page!!! Kakashi clearly says right after u have surpassed me "being able to makes a jutsu even the fourth didnt" refering to the FR. Thats all kakashi said, nothing about narutos ability to best him in combat, just that one jutsu, read the whole damn page top to bottom in Orderhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...2/page005.html



i read the whole chapter. it's like this

panel a: Naruto was able to strategize for the jutsu to hit, and does it fast.
panel b: Naruto's gotten so strong, he has surpassed me.
panel c: He was able to complete FRS which even the 4th couldnt

try rearranging that anyway you want. be it B>C>A or C>B>A or A>C>B.
just try, and see if you get a different meaning. i know you would get it differently, but bottomline, he acknowledged naruto's superiority over him. hating naruto doesn't change the fact that he has gotten pretty stronger than most of the characters alive and dead in this manga.

[QUOTE]By activate I mean removing his forehead protector from his eye. He does this when he wants to use the sharingan.


Didn't start drinking yet but thanks for asking.

Yea OK.

How was Naruto schooled exactly when he had the KB in the compromising position? This is what you fail to understand Naruto was keeping up with his movements dumbarse.

Do what??? Kakashi slipped under ground without naruto or sakura even noticing so while naruto had a KB beat, kakashi from uder ground had naruto beat. The real naruto not a KB. How does that make out in narutos favor:confused:

Anyone who actually knows me knows I can't stand Naruto's persona & like to make fun of him. That doesn't change the fact that I'm willing to give an honest assessment of his battle capability. You on the other hand fan to death character's you like & try to make them invincible against all opponents.

Thast not at all! I damn well admit when a character no matter how much I like them just wont win. And in a situation of real comabt kakashi has shown time and again why he'd beat base naruto in a real fight, not an exibition.

Bla bla bla & bla it's like talking to a wall that likes to repeat the same crap. I already explained my view on the situation Naruto clearly did not get schooled but was actually keeping up with Kakashi in the short exchange they did have. Proof is in the manga get over yourself KY & get a life.

Keeping up? kakashi was a step ahead of naruto the whole time which is why naruto was left open to an attack from below, but kakashis not fighting, just trying to keep them from taking the bells.

I have to use the same points because yall just arent getting them at all!!!

@Poolayga:

Yes, kakashi was expressing how he thought naruto had become supirior to him, but only because he could make a jutsu he couldnt because kakashi doesnt have the chakra reserves, had the strategy to achieve it.

Dont forget its because of kakashis training, startegy that naruto has the FRS and SM. Reverse those roles and have naruto give kakashi his chakra reserves and kakashi has the RRS and SM. Yet, why is naruto supirior to kakashi????


EDIT: I JUST DONT HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO REPLY TO EVERYONE SO ILL HAVE TO DOUBLE POST.

Amaterasu chases the opponent if he, or she has the opportunity to run (before it eventually catches up). It's not instant, it is near instant. In close range the opponent is likely to get tourched immediate however, from further distances, you at least have time to evade before it hits (though it is still going to track regardless unless the shinobi moves at speeds beyond the sharingan's capturing abilities).

What was Sasuke doing when he was facing off against Gaara and the sand jounin? He wasn't just playing around with black flames (it's obviously abundances of chakra be expelled). Before the Amaterasu got to Gaara and his cohorts, he dawned the Sand to quickly shield the flames.

1. As I said amaterasu Ignites wherever the user is focusing making it a T/S jutsu because its summoned not exspelled from the eyeshttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-463/page013.html

2. sasuke never tried to amaterasu Gaara. Gaara just saved the raikages ass from being engulfed in flames and in the process grabbed up some of amaterasus flames from sasuke amateras/sasanoo shield.

I know its confusing, but remember itachi didnt want sasuke dead which is why he ignited amaterasu infront of sasuke instead of on him, giving sasuke a chance to escape and hendge.


Heres more proof. sasuke Ignited sasanoo in falmes instantly to help protect himself from Rais instant super speed.http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-463/page014.html

1. As I said amaterasu Ignites wherever the user is focusing making it a T/S jutsu because its summoned not exspelled from the eyeshttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...3/page013.html

2. sasuke never tried to amaterasu Gaara. Gaara just saved the raikages ass from being engulfed in flames and in the process grabbed up some of amaterasus flames from sasuke amateras/sasanoo shield.

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-464/page012.html

Here it is he used it against Gaara. If it was a space-time transfer it would have instantly set Gaara on black flames however, since Gaara can clearly see Amatearsu approaching him and his allies, he took the effort to shield with the sand.

And yes, Itachi wasn't planning on killing Sasuke however, the Amaterasu can be stopped once it burns, as Itachi put out the flames, and Sasuke put out the flames on the transformed tentacle. Heck, Amaterasu knocked Karin out however, Sasuke put out the flames and saved her.

Amaterasu is not a space time transfer because if it was, Raikage would have been burnt up. Amaterasu is a technique that is only as fast as the sharingan's tracking percision.

[QUOTE]http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-464/page012.html

Here it is he used it against Gaara. If it was a space-time transfer it would have instantly set Gaara on black flames however, since Gaara can clearly see Amatearsu approaching him and his allies, he took the effort to shield with the sand.

WHat, it didnt even show sasuke attacking Gaara with amaterasu. And sasuke clearly says block his Enton which is amaterasu shape manipulated and used as an attack, not amaterasu that just ignites on wherever the user is focuing on.

And yes, Itachi wasn't planning on killing Sasuke however, the Amaterasu can be stopped once it burns, as Itachi put out the flames, and Sasuke put out the flames on the transformed tentacle. Heck, Amaterasu knocked Karin out however, Sasuke put out the flames and saved her.

That still doesnt change the fact that AMATERAU Ignites on wherever the user focuses like a summoning, not his Enton that was used on Gaara.

Amaterasu is not a space time transfer because if it was, Raikage would have been burnt up. Amaterasu is a technique that is only as fast as the sharingan's tracking percision.

Raikage dodeged amaterasus instant appearence because hes instantaneuously fast which it explains on the next page. Shi clearly says the flames ignite on the target, not exspell from the MS then chase.


More proof, sasuke ignited amaterasu around sasanoo instantly to protect himself from rias instant speedhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-463/page014.html

@Poolangya:

Yes, kakashi was expressing how he thought naruto had become supirior to him, but only because he could make a jutsu he couldnt because kakashi doesnt have the chakra reserves, had the strategy to achieve it.

Dont forget its because of kakashis training, startegy that naruto has the FRS and SM. Reverse those roles and have naruto give kakashi his chakra reserves and kakashi has the RRS and SM. Yet, why is naruto supirior to kakashi????


i am not denying the fact that kakashi was the one who taught and trained naruto. but there's no denying the fact that naruto exceeded kakashi. kakashi said so himself. most of the plot in p2 is having the new generation take over, meaning surpassing the older gen, putting a box on naruto's limit skills as a shinobi because he is a student of Kakashi and Kakashi is the teacher is not the case here, nor in real life. Students can exceed their teachers, apprentices might one day surpass their masters. and Naruto just showed that. If you believe otherwise, you'll always be falling behind the shadow of your dad.

i am not denying the fact that kakashi was the one who taught and trained naruto. but there's no denying the fact that naruto exceeded kakashi. kakashi said so himself. most of the plot in p2 is having the new generation take over, meaning surpassing the older gen, putting a box on naruto's limit skills as a shinobi because he is a student of Kakashi and Kakashi is the teacher is not the case here, nor in real life. Students can exceed their teachers, apprentices might one day surpass their masters. and Naruto just showed that. If you believe otherwise, you'll always be falling behind the shadow of your dad.

Just as naruto mastered SM better then Jman and surpassed him, Jman would still hand naruto his ass in real combat. just as naruto surpassed kakashi with the rasengan, kakashi would still hand naruto (base) his ass in combat.

Its not until Naruto gains the FTG that he will be able to beat kakashi (in base form) and Jman in SM while hes in SM as well.

Lol, like Sasuke would've survived a raiton wielding leg drop to the dick? Gaara saved both of them from each other's attacks, kinda how Kakashi did to sasuke and naruto during their encounter on the rooftop? I won't deny that Raichu would've gotten crisped from that but still, it saved both. TSO is right though.

KYF. I only have one more piece of evidence that I want to show. If that's not enough for you to except that Amatearsu doesn't go inbetween dimensions to appear on top of the shinobi instantly, then it'll be clear that you are in denile.

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-390/page003.html

As stated by Zetsu (the amazing source of everything) the Amaterasu focuses on the shinobi's position by using the sharingan's tracking, and pin-pointing location speeds, it converges on the shinobi's position. Granted, the closer you are to the sharingan, the more quickly Amatearsu will be on you, but on the flip side, the further you are, the longer it will take for it to be on you.

Read the context of how Zetsu stated converge? It means to approach. When you converge, you move near, or chase until you eventually meet at that point. Not spotaneous surfacing...

And Raikage doesn't use a space-time transfer either. He is just so fast that the Amaterasu couldn't catch up to him.

Body Flicker is physical movement however, it uses chakra to activate the physical reflexes far beyond their natural timing. Some Shinobi uses smoke and leaves to help mask their movements while other's like Raikage don't. Sasuke doesn't mask his body flicker either.

If Amaterasu is space-time transfer, how did Raikage escape? Raikage doesn't go inbetween dimensions, he just exeeded the sharingan's capturing capabilities. If it was spontaneous surfacing, it wouldn't matter how fast Raikage was, it would be on him.

I'll be prepared for the next topic because I'm done with this one.

Lol, like Sasuke would've survived a raiton wielding leg drop to the dick? Gaara saved both of them from each other's attacks, kinda how Kakashi did to sasuke and naruto during their encounter on the rooftop? I won't deny that Raichu would've gotten crisped from that but still, it saved both. TSO is right though.

OMG, here we go!!!

Gaara saved rai which is why he said he did. He said nothing about saving sasuke though. And how in the hell would a plain body weight leg drop hurt sasuke if rais full speed, full power attack to the back of sasukes neck didnt do that much damage?? Answer, it wouldnt of!!!

Out of all of rais attacks on sasuke the leg drop was undoubtably the weakest. Rai and shi thought sasuke was on the verge of death from rai neck chop yet that didnt do much just like the super power bomb.http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-464/page007.html

All this comes down to is naruto vs sasuke. ANd to admit sasuke bested the lead kage while sasuke was at a complete disadvatge is to admit sasuke truly could beat naruto even with SM. And once sasuke masters rais raiton armour then even in SM naruto isnt going to stand much of a chance without the FTG. then it would be an even fight and great fight.

And u agree with TSO about what exactly? Amaterasu??

Amaterasu won't hit Gaara. period...








...unless Gaara decides to sleep while battling.

Amaterasu is classified as a ninjutsu not time space stop making shit up unless you have solid proof in a a panel calling it that... it is not summoned its casted through the eyes summoning requires hand signs..

and garra can't be hit by amaterasu his sand put that shit out.

[QUOTE]KYF. I only have one more piece of evidence that I want to show. If that's not enough for you to except that Amatearsu doesn't go inbetween dimensions to appear on top of the shinobi instantly, then it'll be clear that you are in denile.

What?? Did u even bother to read my links. Shi says himself "the flames Ignite on the targte". Then sasuke instantly summons amaterasu again around himself yet ur still arguing with me.

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-390/page003.html

As stated by Zetsu (the amazing source of everything) the Amaterasu focuses on the shinobi's position by using the sharingan's tracking, and pin-pointing location speeds, it converges on the shinobi's position. Granted, the closer you are to the sharingan, the more quickly Amatearsu will be on you, but on the flip side, the further you are, the longer it will take for it to be on you.

If zetsus saying what hes seeing then he is right, but its already been explained itachi didnt want sasuke dead!!!! Hes not going to ignite sasuke in flames because that would leave him captain crispy even after a couple seconds!!!

Shi explains it, then sasuke does it!!!

Here shi explains what happens:http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-463/page013.html

Then sasuke shows they do APPEAR:http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-463/page014.html

Thats two links verifying what im saying!!!

Read the context of how Zetsu stated converge? It means to approach. When you converge, you move near, or chase until you eventually meet at that point. Not spotaneous surfacing...

I know what converge means and that might be how itachi uses amaterasu, but sasuke can clearly make it appear on the target, not converge from the eye. Manga, fact as stated and shown.

Ur right about itachis, but Im refering to sasukes in this instance. Maybe itachi wouldnt use amaterasu like sasuke can, IDK. But its for sire sasuke can make them appear on his target as well as chage theyre shape.

And Raikage doesn't use a space-time transfer either. He is just so fast that the Amaterasu couldn't catch up to him.

There in no catch. it just appeared and rai reacted, but because rai was no longer in sasuke field of vision the samurai got hit instead.

Body Flicker is physical movement however, it uses chakra to activate the physical reflexes far beyond their natural timing. Some Shinobi uses smoke and leaves to help mask their movements while other's like Raikage don't. Sasuke doesn't mask his body flicker either.

OK, whats the point of this?? I know raikage is instantly fast, just like a summoning. There was no trick, just pure speed.

If Amaterasu is space-time transfer, how did Raikage escape? Raikage doesn't go inbetween dimensions, he just exeeded the sharingan's capturing capabilities. If it was spontaneous surfacing, it wouldn't matter how fast Raikage was, it would be on him.

Its easy as pie! With rais super reflexes and speed. Rai simply moves out of the spot where the flames appear which is ecatly what he does, look, he leaves an after imagehttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-463/page012.html

Look how the flames got small then got bigger as rai dodged them. Rai just simply moved the moment they appeared in which rais after Image was ignited because sasukes eyes couldnt keep up.

I'll be prepared for the next topic because I'm done with this one.

Thats fine. u proves itachis amaterasu attack converges, but sauskes clearly appears which is even stated.

Amaterasu won't hit Gaara. period...








...unless Gaara decides to sleep while battling.

Yea, but if Gaaras not hidden behind his sand and in sasukes field of vision then Gaara will light up like the fourth of july.


@MYTH:

Summoning is a ninjutsu as well, but its a T/S jutsu. Tsukuyomi is a genjutsu, but because it can control the time and space in the illusion its also a T/S. And sasanoo which is summoned is also a T/S jutsu.

I won't comment since you just called the mks techniques time space jutsu..

never have they been called that and belive me if they were t/s they would have been called that..

Yeah, let's just move this on. Ok new battle... Tag team!

Tsunade (before camatose obvious) and Shizune vs. Mizukage and Chojuro.

All abilities applies.

GO!

I won't comment since you just called the mks techniques time space jutsu..

never have they been called that and belive me if they were t/s they would have been called that..

Sigh, I know its hard to think when u keep trying new and invintive ways to try and prove something Objective to be subjective so Ill explain again.

Amaterasu (as used by sasuke) ignites on the target where the user is focusing. Although a elemental ninjutsu, because the flames are ignited/summoned then its techincaly a T/S jutsu. tsukuyomi although a Genjutsu, the user can control Time and space in the Illusion techinicaly making it as well a T/S jutsu. And last, but not least sasanoo. Becuase it is summoned its a T/S jutsu for sure.

Summoning is a T/S jutsu by use of Blood seal and hand signs also making it a T/S jutsu. And anyother jutsu like the FTG or madaras, kamui that trancends space and time is a T/S jutsu.

OMG, here we go!!!

Gaara saved rai which is why he said he did. He said nothing about saving sasuke though. And how in the hell would a plain body weight leg drop hurt sasuke if rais full speed, full power attack to the back of sasukes neck didnt do that much damage?? Answer, it wouldnt of!!!

Out of all of rais attacks on sasuke the leg drop was undoubtably the weakest. Rai and shi thought sasuke was on the verge of death from rai neck chop yet that didnt do much just like the super power bomb.http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-464/page007.html

All this comes down to is naruto vs sasuke. ANd to admit sasuke bested the lead kage while sasuke was at a complete disadvatge is to admit sasuke truly could beat naruto even with SM. And once sasuke masters rais raiton armour then even in SM naruto isnt going to stand much of a chance without the FTG. then it would be an even fight and great fight.

And u agree with TSO about what exactly? Amaterasu??

Are you serious dude? That fucking machop to his neck might not have killed him, but it did do some damage, some might say a busted lip, some might say otherwise, it doesn't matter it still did damage.

So what you're telling me is that although Raichu managed to go in between the rib cage of Sasuke's susano'o and managed to hit him directly in his fucking neck with a powered up raiton machop, you're saying an even fuller powered raiton LEG DROP from higher up on the OPEN part of susano'o would NOT have done anything to sasuke? Come on, stop eating your own shit. I didn't fucking say anything like "oh raichu would fuck sasuke up and survive amaterasu" Never said that and never will. Fact remains is that a leg drop from the open part of susano'o where there was more area to hit would've done more fucking damage.

The problem is kyf the manga never mention them being time space jutsu thus ITS NOT FACT JUST AN OPINION.. thats all there is to it... I already told you pull up a manga PAGE where this is stated... if not don't keep pushing it and stfu its simple really.

Are you serious dude? That fucking machop to his neck might not have killed him, but it did do some damage, some might say a busted lip, some might say otherwise, it doesn't matter it still did damage.

So what you're telling me is that although Raichu managed to go in between the rib cage of Sasuke's susano'o and managed to hit him directly in his fucking neck with a powered up raiton machop, you're saying an even fuller powered raiton LEG DROP from higher up on the OPEN part of susano'o would NOT have done anything to sasuke? Come on, stop eating your own shit. I didn't fucking say anything like "oh raichu would fuck sasuke up and survive amaterasu" Never said that and never will. Fact remains is that a leg drop from the open part of susano'o where there was more area to hit would've done more fucking damage.

WHat do u mean fuller?? Gaara little bit of sand stopped attack cold while Gaaras full sand shield couldnt even stop C2 kimimarro and he wasnt even covered in raiton lol.

What open part? The whole thing is practicaly open yet sasuke is protected everywhere not just where the bones are or rais chop wouldve gotten through.

Rai hit sasuke with a super power bomb then a full speed, full power chop to the back of his neck through the bones yet sasuke got knocked down and a busted lip when his head shouldve been completly obliterated.

How in the hell is a regular body weight leg drop that was stopped by some sand even though that leg was covered in raiton, supposed to be even more powerful then the neck chop???

Rai had no momentum from super speed, just from droping a mere 30 feet.

Seriously, why r u even comparing a full speed (ass load of momentum) and power chop to a vital area, to a body weight, stationary leg (not even axe kicking) drop of rais weight? There is a huge difference in force and yet the weaker one would done something when a the chop busted a lip.

W/e, thats not even debatebale.


@MYTH:

Summoning jutsu is a T/S jutsu, everyone knows that exept u obviously. WHy do u think the FTG is a T/S jutsu? Because he summons himself lol. amaterasu summons flames (T/S jutsu), sasanoo is summoned so (T/S jutsu) and although tsukuyomi has no summoning the fact that it controls TIME is pretty damn self explanitory dont u think!

WHat do u mean fuller?? Gaara little bit of sand stopped attack cold while Gaaras full sand shield couldnt even stop C2 kimimarro and he wasnt even covered in raiton lol.

What open part? The whole thing is practicaly open yet sasuke is protected everywhere not just where the bones are or rais chop wouldve gotten through.

Rai hit sasuke with a super power bomb then a full speed, full power chop to the back of his neck through the bones yet sasuke got knocked down and a busted lip when his head shouldve been completly obliterated.

How in the hell is a regular body weight leg drop that was stopped by some sand even though that leg was covered in raiton, supposed to be even more powerful then the neck chop???

Rai had no momentum from super speed, just from droping a mere 30 feet.

Seriously, why r u even comparing a full speed (ass load of momentum) and power chop to a vital area, to a body weight, stationary leg (not even axe kicking) drop of rais weight? There is a huge difference in force and yet the weaker one would done something when a the chop busted a lip.

W/e, thats not even debatebale.


@MYTH:

Summoning jutsu is a T/S jutsu, everyone knows that exept u obviously. WHy do u think the FTG is a T/S jutsu? Because he summons himself lol. amaterasu summons flames (T/S jutsu), sasanoo is summoned so (T/S jutsu) and although tsukuyomi has no summoning the fact that it controls TIME is pretty damn self explanitory dont u think!

You are more of an idiot than I once thought.

The BIG ASS OPEN PART IN THE FUCKING FRONT you blind fuck, yeah the whole thing might have open parts here and there, there is a big ass open part in the front, guess you missed that when you were down on your knees gobbling a certain uchiha's cock.

Please tell me how it was a regular leg drop, NOTHING is regular when it comes to shinobi, he had a full powered GUILLOTINE leg drop ready to fucking obliterate Sasuke in his entirety. http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-464/page001.html

You're calling this (http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-464/page003.html) a little bit of sand?? Come on dude get fucking real here. And yes, legs are generally stronger than fucking arms and hands so it'd make sense to do more damage had it connected, maybe not by a large margin but still. Lol a stationary leg drop? Retard I promise. It's pointless to even TRY to debate with you because it's not something that any party will gain from the discussion besides an even deeper hatred for your stupidity.

Till it's proven or said nothing is fact....

Tsukuyomi is genjutsu nothing more nothing less each user has a different version proof of this is sasuke and itachi both have tsukuyomi both have different types.. itachi's was just very advanced.

got another one for you guys.

Young Sasuke Vs. Young Itachi Vs. Young Kakashi ( Young as in NO sharinghan!!)

Naruto at present Skill level(sage Mode and everything allowed) Vs. Jaraiya when labeled Sanin

And finally Hyugas(Neji/Hinata/Father),Guy & Lee,Kiba & fam(sis&Mom) Vs. Naru clan (Shika & Dad), Shino & dad, Choji & Dad, and Kurenai & Asuma


bonus fight......Konohamaru now(12) Vs. Naruto then (12) both with rasengan and shadow clones....just think about it...i mean he is gonna take the next spot as hokage after Naruto...maybe.

The BIG ASS OPEN PART IN THE FUCKING FRONT you blind fuck, yeah the whole thing might have open parts here and there, there is a big ass open part in the front, guess you missed that when you were down on your knees gobbling a certain uchiha's cock.

I think he needs proof that's its open, or he'll probably keep on saying the bones protect him.

So here's this right here: http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-466/page011.html

^Zetsu penatrates the front side of the incomplete Susanoo and feeds Sasuke the kages and the body guards' chakras.

If that thing could fit through the opening, Raikage's leg could have too. I am the only one of the few that thought Raikage would have ended up on the better end of that last possible exchange.

Not saying Raikage wouldn't have ended up injured, but Sasuke's upper torso and head would have been violated all unfortunate like, while Raikage catches his paints leg on black flames. Raikage loses a leg, Sasuke loses his life.

Pay off is in Raikage's favor. Raikage would have ended up with missing left hand, and potentially a missing leg, but look at the brighter side, no Uchiha brat. So, small price to pay.

After all, it was a leg drop, not a body slam...

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-464/page003.html

The drop of the leg was positioned horizontally across the upper portion of Sasuke's upper body, while the rest of Raikage's body was clearly positioned out of the way so the outer portion of his body would hit the ground (that's how that leg drop move is performed) of the incoming flames. Gaara didn't say Raikage would die, he said he'd be further injured by Amaterasu. To some, Gaara means Raikage would have died if he had not intervened, but whatever, I'm not going to debate the majority.

what him say its open there cause its melting...XD

Thank you TSO, further proving my point. Definitely done with this argument now.

Also KYF, I'd like for you to tell me what'd happen if you took a full powered intended to kill machop from some incredibly jacked dude who probably bench presses 8 of you, and a full powered LEG DROP on the upper portion of your body. You'd be fucking obliterated.

it's open? i thought...


oh yes it really is open. all along i thought that susanoo is the perfect defense., or is it coz sasuke's susanoo is still incomplete?

what him say its open there cause its melting...XD

then that's when I bring this up:

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-466/page006.html

Hands and belt touches the floor and hangs outside of the rib cage. If the bones protected the front as well, such a feat shouldn't be possible.

If he manages to come up with something else to say, I'll give him his props for pulling something out of nothing.:o

Definitely done with this argument now.

Yeah, I'm too.

it's open? i thought...

oh yes it really is open. all along i thought that susanoo is the perfect defense., or is it coz sasuke's susanoo is still incomplete?

Though, the more completed version has no openings.

Raikage versus Kakashi (S).

I always wonder why I scorn the V.S. Thread and I was just reminded why: it degrades to KYF/Myth flame wars.

You are more of an idiot than I once thought.

The BIG ASS OPEN PART IN THE FUCKING FRONT you blind fuck, yeah the whole thing might have open parts here and there, there is a big ass open part in the front, guess you missed that when you were down on your knees gobbling a certain uchiha's cock.

Please tell me how it was a regular leg drop, NOTHING is regular when it comes to shinobi, he had a full powered GUILLOTINE leg drop ready to fucking obliterate Sasuke in his entirety. http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-464/page001.html

You're calling this (http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-464/page003.html) a little bit of sand?? Come on dude get fucking real here. And yes, legs are generally stronger than fucking arms and hands so it'd make sense to do more damage had it connected, maybe not by a large margin but still. Lol a stationary leg drop? Retard I promise. It's pointless to even TRY to debate with you because it's not something that any party will gain from the discussion besides an even deeper hatred for your stupidity.

WFT!!! A stupid leg drop of nothing but body weight isnt going to do shit if a full speed, full power chop to the neck doesnt. WHat about this doesnt comfuckingpute?!?!?!

Legs are stonger, yea if u actually move them, rai just left his leg stationary unlike the super chop that hit sasukes freaking neck at super speed.

Here, when rai attacked sasuke with his neck chop he was movng at ungodly speed which increased his hit force unimaginably. Not to mention rais chop too was pulled all the way back which gave it even more momentum.

So u have body weight + momentum from moving at super speed, plus the momentum of a completly pulled back chop.

THe Leg drop, u have the body moving at about 120 MPH to attack with a stationary leg, not pulled back.

Lol, because rai is moving at about 1/20th of the speed he was when he choped the momentum is going to be pathetic in comparison because force is massxacceleration and last I chekced rai was moving at speeds way beyond a mere 120 basic fall meaning rais chop was deinatly the stronger attack by a large margin!!!

I cant explain it any better then that lol.

Nvermind, rai wasnt even 9 feet off the ground, his speed going to be more like 80 MPH lolhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-463/page015.html. ANdhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-464/page001.html In no way would that leg drop of done shit because of that and because sasanoo protects the whole body as shown herehttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-466/page003.html

Not a single burn from that lava spit or from this attackhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-466/page004.html

Nothing and sasuke was already at his limit of chakra lolhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-466/page005.html

As u can see mostly from mizus attack of lava spit not even a drop got on sasuke dispite the huge opening in the center proving sasuke protected even where the bones arent covering.

Ha haaaaaaa, whos stupid now!!!! Its too bad u were too busy trying to prove naruto really doesnt stand a chance against sasuke if he spams sasanoo lol. Imean all naruto did was try and beat the leader of akatsuki and failed misserably even with some many advantages yet sasuke bests the leader kage while hes at a disadvaatage and he didnt need any help, rai did lol.

Sucks to be u plat!!! Maybe next time u can put down the sage sausage, open ur eyes and actaully try and compare the two attacks instead of believeing random shit because u love naruto so much u have to hate sasuke!


I think he needs proof that's its

open, or he'll probably keep on saying the bones protect him.

So here's this right here: http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-466/page011.html

^Zetsu penatrates the front side of the incomplete Susanoo and feeds Sasuke the kages and the body guards' chakras.

If that thing could fit through the opening, Raikage's leg could have too. I am the only one of the few that thought Raikage would have ended up on the better end of that last possible exchange.

Not saying Raikage wouldn't have ended up injured, but Sasuke's upper torso and head would have been violated all unfortunate like, while Raikage catches his paints leg on black flames. Raikage loses a leg, Sasuke loses his life.

Pay off is in Raikage's favor. Raikage would have ended up with missing left hand, and potentially a missing leg, but look at the brighter side, no Uchiha brat. So, small price to pay.

After all, it was a leg drop, not a body slam...

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-464/page003.html

The drop of the leg was positioned horizontally across the upper portion of Sasuke's upper body, while the rest of Raikage's body was clearly positioned out of the way so the outer portion of his body would hit the ground (that's how that leg drop move is performed) of the incoming flames. Gaara didn't say Raikage would die, he said he'd be further injured by Amaterasu. To some, Gaara means Raikage would have died if he had not intervened, but whatever, I'm not going to debate the majority.

Zetsu penatrating through sasanoo when sasuke completly out of chakra means crap because even with alittle chakra sasanoo protected sasuke from thishttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-466/page003.html
Lava spit and not even a drop touched him lol. Zetsu getting in on sasuke when hes completly warn out means crap because sasuke had plenty of chakra left when rai tried his 8 ft leg drop LMAO!!!

then that's when I bring this up:

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-466/page006.html

Hands and belt touches the floor and hangs outside of the rib cage. If the bones protected the front as well, such a feat shouldn't be possible.

If he manages to come up with something else to say, I'll give him his props for pulling something out of nothing.:o



Yeah, I'm too.



Though, the more completed version has no openings.

LMAO, who care, its attached to sasuke so what does it matter? Mizu kage and the 3 swordsman proved attacking the front or back doesnt make a difference, sasanoo even partial will block it meaning rai 8ft leg drop wouldve done nothing at all lol.

time to move on..

raikage vs kakashi

kakashi has about a thousand jutsus up his sleeves. has 1 eye sharingan, can activate MS Kamui. is very smart, not at par but definitely comparable to shikamaru.

Raikage is a straight up tai fighter. he seldom thinks before he attacks. his body is faster than his mind. has innate lightning element. very strong, his big muscles are proof of it,unless it's only for show.

most definitely, raikage is faster than kakashi. kakashi is at the most as fast as sasuke, but definitely slower. If kakashi has more trapping and distraction jutsus (ex, MASS kagebunshin, shadow bind) surely he can last long in this fight. he also doesn't have an absolute defence unlike sasuke who has susanoo. sad to say, kakashi has low chances of winning against raikage. Kakashi can definitely outsmart Raikage who has a bicep for a brain, but his skills are not enough for that. Raikage 8-2 Kakashi. Raikage wins this.

time to move on..

raikage vs kakashi

kakashi has about a thousand jutsus up his sleeves. has 1 eye sharingan, can activate MS Kamui. is very smart, not at par but definitely comparable to shikamaru.

Raikage is a straight up tai fighter. he seldom thinks before he attacks. his body is faster than his mind. has innate lightning element. very strong, his big muscles are proof of it,unless it's only for show.

most definitely, raikage is faster than kakashi. kakashi is at the most as fast as sasuke, but definitely slower. If kakashi has more trapping and distraction jutsus (ex, MASS kagebunshin, shadow bind) surely he can last long in this fight. he also doesn't have an absolute defence unlike sasuke who has susanoo. sad to say, kakashi has low chances of winning against raikage. Kakashi can definitely outsmart Raikage who has a bicep for a brain, but his skills are not enough for that. Raikage 8-2 Kakashi. Raikage wins this.

Just one thing and in no way is kakashi as fast as sasuke. Kakashi couldnt even track must less keep up when he fought itachi yet sasuke was even with itachi the whole time in speed. so sasuke>kakashi in speed is a definant.

If kakashi can survive rais first blitz (very ify, rais basic raiton speed is even with sasukes) then he can hide. But w/e kakashi throws at rai wont really do anything thanks to his raiton armor. And if kakashi comes out to hit rai with raikiri its going to fail like sasukes did and hes going to get power bombed lol and that would end it.

Pretty much kakashi trys his heart out to land something, but wont have any luck so getting low on chakra he escapes using a bushin decoy.

Or kakashi actaully tries kamui, but with rais speed he can just dip off before the space around him colapses.

rai 10-0, sorry kakashi I luv ya but u dont stand a chance unless u copy rais jutsu to keep up long enough to kamui his head off which is very very unlikly.

LOL. kakashi loses...LOL are you serious?! The NEXT HOKAGE?!

okay the whole slower than sasuke thing? no I'm afraid not. couldn't keep up with itachi? He NEVER Fought Itachi in the sense of defeating....both times he was trying to save someone or just by time. If he is out classed he would say it. like when he told Orochimaru "you have to go through me!" when Oroch left he said "what was i thinking?"

okay anyway...Kakashi can be as fast as Lee who we know is faster or as fast as Sasuke! So there goes your raikage faster than him theory.
Jutsu not working against Rai? why in the heck are you getting him confused with naruto? Kakashi has more than one nature element jutsu...LoL. Water dragon jutsu, Fire ball jutsu, and earth elemental jutsus, remember he has copied OVER 100 jutsu!! which think about it when he is in a battle he is using sharinghan. so water against electricity = Kakashi advantage.

Now what is with this hiding and fighting thing? He would fight Raikage str8 up too many clones would waste chakra while he is using sharinghan. he wouldn't use clones or chidori(for earlier mentioned reasons) so he could last long enough to win against Raikage!
I mean come on he is the next to be Hokage because Naruto isn't ready and Jaraiya is Dead(he'd refuse anyway,again)

enough arguing....her you go......

Young Sasuke Vs. Young Itachi Vs. Young Kakashi ( Young as in NO sharinghan!!)

Naruto at present Skill level(sage Mode and everything allowed) Vs. Jaraiya when labeled Sanin

And finally Hyugas(Neji/Hinata/Father),Guy & Lee,Kiba & fam(sis&Mom) Vs. Naru clan (Shika & Dad), Shino & dad, Choji & Dad, and Kurenai & Asuma


bonus fight......Konohamaru now(12) Vs. Naruto then (12) both with rasengan and shadow clones....just think about it...i mean he is gonna take the next spot as hokage after Naruto...maybe.

It'd be a very good fight but kakashi would take it, unlike sasuke he's very smart a better tactician then shika knows how to analyze his opponents very well before attacking and usually knows the plan to win within a few minutes.. a good example of this is god realm he figured out how to beat him had he been with more capable shinobi they would have ended god realm there..

Raikage has only speed going for him but kakshi is really fast as well he was always considered fast as hell he's prob sasuke's level speed...

it all comes down to chakra if he can hang in there he can kill big and angry and with his mind and tactics he can def do it in a short time..

raikage prefers close range kkashi can fight at ALL RANGES which is excellent he can also use water ninjutsu making the raikage ONE BIG WEAK POINT if he catches him with water barricade on that lighting armor raichu is fucked....

Kakashi can also use dotan to move around underground and pop up with a bushinn and fool the raikage..

Kakashi got this.... speed alone won't win shit raikage is fast but unlike the other fast guys he's limited to taijutsu where as other fast ppl are not limited to just 1 set of abilities.

Sorry for DP:

Kakashi btw is far more talented then most shinobi in this manga itachi included... the guy is 30 has a rep around the entire ninja world has skills like crazy can fight all ranges developed his own technique.. the guy is a machine his main weak point is chakra which is smart because a guy like kakashi with say naruto chakra levels would be everyone's worst nightmare..

i was basing the outcome of the fight with regards to kakashi's performance against kakuzu. kakuzu is definitely slower than raikage.kakuzu has iron skin, while raikage has raiton armor. kakashi was pressed by kakuzu who was much slower than raichu, forcing kakashi to engage in taijutsu against kakuzu who has stronger physique against him. the difference was that the other hearts was able to divert kakashi's attention by throwing long range attacks. raikage has only melee attacks. but his speed can force taijutsu combat with kakashi. kakashi is definitely a lot smarter, but aside from kamui, i dont see any attack from kakashi which can even make raikage scream in pain. kakashi's win chance is very slim here.

enough arguing....her you go......

Young Sasuke Vs. Young Itachi Vs. Young Kakashi ( Young as in NO sharinghan!!)
1. Itachi first gained sharingan at the age of 8 one year after he became a shinobi.

2. Sasuke gained sharingan at the age of 7 & was still in the academy at the time.

3. Kakashi became a chunin at the age of 6 without the aid of sharingan. At 6 years old he'd have more battle experience when compared to an 7 year old Sasuke & a 8 year old Itachi. Since Kakashi was 13 when he became a jounin & gained sharingan we can put him up against ether one at their respective ages.

Conclusion
1. A 7 year old Kakashi would beat a 7 year old Sasuke.
2. A 8 year old Kakashi would beat a 8 year old Itachi.
3. Since Itachi graduated from the academy at the age of 7 I'd have to say he'd be able to beat a 7 year old Sasuke.


Naruto at present Skill level(sage Mode and everything allowed) Vs. Jaraiya when labeled Sanin
Naruto takes this his Sage Mode is superior to Jiraiya's Hermit Mode making him stronger & faster than Jiraiya. Naruto has the more destructive jutsu & his clone tactics allow him to safely gather information on his opponents such as speeds, reaction times, & fighting tactics. Jiraiya takes a long time to actually transform. Both ninja can summon any of the toads. Pa & Ma wouldn't be restricted to Naruto's shoulders like they are with Jiraiya allowing them to move around the battle field & attack from different directions.

And finally Hyugas(Neji/Hinata/Father),Guy & Lee,Kiba & fam(sis&Mom) Vs. Naru clan (Shika & Dad), Shino & dad, Choji & Dad, and Kurenai & Asuma
Tai Fighters
Tsume: Special jounin & fights with a huge 1 eyed wolf who's missing an ear.

Hana: Chunin who fights with 3 normal sized wolves. Hana specialty is being a vet which kind of discredits her as a fighter since her specialty is healing animals.

Kiba: Chunin who fights with Akumaru.

Hinata: trash as a shinobi she wouldn't be much help even if she happens to be a chunin.

Neji: Prodigy of the Hyuuga & probably the smartest person on this team. Jouin.

Hiashi: King of Hyuuga has abilities like Neji though has more experience. jounin.

Gai & Lee: Straight Tai fighters. a chunin & jounin.

Not to many smart people on this team & at least 2 people would be useless.

Team Ninjutsu
Shikamaru : Can pierce flesh with his shadows & is highly intelligent. chunin

Shikaku: Simaler abilities to Shikamaru only more experienced & smarter. jounin

Shino: Highly intelligent & can attack multiple people at once with his bugs. chunin

Shibi: Abilities would be like Shino's but has more experience. jounin

Chouji: Displayed great skill against Kakazu & Pain. With his abilities he could level the battle field. chunin

Chouza: Like his son only more experienced. jounin

Kurenai: Genjutsu specialist which everyone short of the Hyuuga have no known counter for. Note her genjutsu is not a dojutsu. She is also skilled in combat based on her fairly high level in both speed & taijutsu in her databook stats.

Asuma: This guy is stacked with multiple elements as well as good taijutsu.

This team is more versatile & way more intelligent.

Conclusion
This goes to Shikamaru, Shikaku, Shino, Shibi, Chouji, Chouza, Kurenai & Asuma easily. Team Taifighters don't stand a chance since the other team is so heavily stacked.


bonus fight......Konohamaru now(12) Vs. Naruto then (12) both with rasengan and shadow clones....just think about it...i mean he is gonna take the next spot as hokage after Naruto...maybe.
Naruto has Kyuubi so he'll win.

New match-up:
Sabu-Chan(with his axe) vs. Kisame(without Samehada),In a fight till the death!

New match-up:
Sabu-Chan(with his axe) vs. Kisame(without Samehada),In a fight till the death!

is there any real contest there?

[QUOTE]It'd be a very good fight but kakashi would take it, unlike sasuke he's very smart a better tactician then shika knows how to analyze his opponents very well before attacking and usually knows the plan to win within a few minutes.. a good example of this is god realm he figured out how to beat him had he been with more capable shinobi they would have ended god realm there..

U have no idea how messed up that statement is!!! Analysing means nothing when u dont have the tools to win the fight (chakra supply, enough speed and a way to get through rais raiton armour) Kakashi has none.

Raikage has only speed going for him but kakshi is really fast as well he was always considered fast as hell he's prob sasuke's level speed...

Kakashi is two levels too slow!!! Kakashi couldnt even keep up with or track itachis movements when they fought and sasukes just as fast as itachi. But raikage is so fast that not even sasuke or his SG could possibly keep up. Even in regular raiton form rai is as fast as itachi so he could blitz kakashi without use of his full power and speed.

it all comes down to chakra if he can hang in there he can kill big and angry and with his mind and tactics he can def do it in a short time..

Strategy and tactics are only 2/3rds of the equation, techniques are the other 1/3. And last I checked kakashi has no jutsu expet kamui capable of even hurting rai, but deidara proved speed can escape kamui and hes no even as fast as rai in base form.

raikage prefers close range kkashi can fight at ALL RANGES which is excellent he can also use water ninjutsu making the raikage ONE BIG WEAK POINT if he catches him with water barricade on that lighting armor raichu is fucked....

That would F8ck kakashi not rai because water conducts electricity. Anyways, kakashi and rai are both raiton users so water eletricuting wont work just as it didnt against sasuke when dariu used water and raiton to eletricute sasuke.

All ranges or not, rai can close the gap Instantaneuously with his super speed. U realy think anything kakashi can do can actually hit rai with his reflexes and speed when amaterasu didnt?

Kakashi can also use dotan to move around underground and pop up with a bushinn and fool the raikage..

Kakashi cant move under ground using doton. He can only create a wall, nothing else. Use manag feats not elemental assumtions.

Kakashi got this.... speed alone won't win shit raikage is fast but unlike the other fast guys he's limited to taijutsu where as other fast ppl are not limited to just 1 set of abilities.

I just dont think u understand how fast the raikage truely is. He dodged amaterasu that ignited on him like falmmes summoned yet he dodged that shit easily. Rai got behind sasuke in an instant without sasuke even knowing even though he was looking right at him.

Fact, kakashi couldnt track itachi so rais movements will be even more impossible. 1 instant kakashis looking at rai, the next kakashis dead and couldnt even react because hes far too slow. Thats how fast rai is.

Also, about the young kakashi, itachi and sasuke vs eachother. I guess were refering to 12 years of age characters because thats all we know about all three at a young age and itachi would take it easy because while sasuke was chunnin, kakashi just made jounin. Itachi was becoming leader of the anbu black opps.

Itachi would pwn both at the same time at 12 years old.


EDIT: WTF, just read ur itachi statement where kakashi is more talented lol. Itachi is on two other levels then kakashi and the only one strong enough to challenge pain in an 1 on 1 fight and possibly win. Kakashi needs SM before he can even compete on sannin level which itachi is beyond. Do the math.

New match-up:
Sabu-Chan(with his axe) vs. Kisame(without Samehada),In a fight till the death!
Sabu-Chan has to have some type of physical strength to be able to wield Yosakugiri. His speed however is a different story. Based on his weapons size if he misses with one swing it's pretty much over for Sabu-Chan as it would take to much time to get back into a defensive position to block a counter attack. Kisame takes this because I feel he'll be able to dodge the first strike done by Sabu-Chan.

New fight, Deidara vs animal realm and demon realm?

New fight, Deidara vs animal realm and demon realm?
Do Pain's bodies breath?

Seriously though if Diedara starts on the ground he doesn't stand a chance in hell. Animal Realm has flying summons while Demon has laser beams & rockets.

Hmm. C2 and C3 combinations might go well against Animal and Demon realms.

C2 dragon flies high and fires off guided explosive clay dragons, while Demon can also fire off missiles. Animal realm can summon airborn beasts. Though, if C3 hits the ground its game over...

It's a fair match up.

U have no idea how messed up that statement is!!! Analysing means nothing when u dont have the tools to win the fight (chakra supply, enough speed and a way to get through rais raiton armour) Kakashi has none.against someone as 1 sided as the raikage u won't need to much chakra, he lasted against kakauzu till the end and this guy was everything from ninjutsu to taijutsu...



Kakashi is two levels too slow!!! Kakashi couldnt even keep up with or track itachis movements when they fought and sasukes just as fast as itachi. But raikage is so fast that not even sasuke or his SG could possibly keep up. Even in regular raiton form rai is as fast as itachi so he could blitz kakashi without use of his full power and speed.that was in part 1 and kakashi kept up with itachi's movements he just couldn't keep up with his jutsu seal speed, because itachi used those shurikens as a distraction.. Itachi himself said how good kakashi's eyes were so idk wtf you're talking about..

sasuke fought a dying itachi who's movements were slurred(zetsu comments on this) and he was purposely losing . Itachi didn't move the way he could have(commented by zetsu). so basically itachi was already SLOW due to sickness and he didn't give it his all thus making his movements only SLOWER..



Strategy and tactics are only 2/3rds of the equation, techniques are the other 1/3. And last I checked kakashi has no jutsu expet kamui capable of even hurting rai, but deidara proved speed can escape kamui and hes no even as fast as rai in base form.deidara didn't exacape kamui through speed moron, kakashi's use of the mks sucked back then (this was stated in that chapter) thus he missed from deidara's head and got his arm.. as usual you pull shit out of your ass.



That would F8ck kakashi not rai because water conducts electricity. Anyways, kakashi and rai are both raiton users so water eletricuting wont work just as it didnt against sasuke when dariu used water and raiton to eletricute sasuke.No kakashi can use water ninjutsu without water and from far away and the raikage would be fucked...(i can provide a panel if you'd like).

All ranges or not, rai can close the gap Instantaneuously with his super speed. U realy think anything kakashi can do can actually hit rai with his reflexes and speed when amaterasu didnt?Kakashi would already know what raikages moves are and what he does.. any idiot can figure out that he's a taijutsu ONLY fighter.. kakashi would figure out a way


Kakashi cant move under ground using doton. He can only create a wall, nothing else. Use manag feats not elemental assumtions.http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/260/05/
you fucking fail.



I just dont think u understand how fast the raikage truely is. He dodged amaterasu that ignited on him like falmmes summoned yet he dodged that shit easily. Rai got behind sasuke in an instant without sasuke even knowing even though he was looking right at him.He was ready for the amaterasu to come out he knew it was coming thanks to konoha's info so he prepared to dodge it... he was already standing by and ready for it to come at him...

[QUOTE]against someone as 1 sided as the raikage u won't need to much chakra, he lasted against kakauzu till the end and this guy was everything from ninjutsu to taijutsu...

Kakashi has no way to win, FACT. Only kamui could possibly harm the raikage, but deidara showed speed can be used to avoid it meaning rai can just run!

that was in part 1 and kakashi kept up with itachi's movements he just couldn't keep up with his jutsu seal speed, because itachi used those shurikens as a distraction.. Itachi himself said how good kakashi's eyes were so idk wtf you're talking about..

Oh really!!! http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/142/10/
His jutsu are too fast (jutsu are techniques no hand seals) My eyes cant eve keep track of HIM (as in itachi).

Itachi with pure speed chumped kakashi which has been canonz for a long long time Myth!

sasuke fought a dying itachi who's movements were slurred(zetsu comments on this) and he was purposely losing . Itachi didn't move the way he could have(commented by zetsu). so basically itachi was already SLOW due to sickness and he didn't give it his all thus making his movements only SLOWER..

Lol, ur refering to after sasuke broke out of tsukuyomi where itachis refelexes were momentarily slowed thanks to the side effects of MShttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/389/09/

The rest of the fight itachi kept up with sasuke completly in every exchange!!! Dont belittle itachis speed because kakashi is so damn slow in comparison to sasuke and itachi.

deidara didn't exacape kamui through speed moron, kakashi's use of the mks sucked back then (this was stated in that chapter) thus he missed from deidara's head and got his arm.. as usual you pull shit out of your ass.

Deidara managed to escape the jutsu for alittle while before kakashi finally got his arm using speed flying away on his clay bird. However, rais speed far supirior to that of deidara flying around on his bird lol.

No kakashi can use water ninjutsu without water and from far away and the raikage would be fucked...(i can provide a panel if you'd like).

There isnt a pnel in the world to prove what ur talking about!!!! A water jutsu isnt going to do shit to the guy that can run through earth style like knife through butter, its freaking liquid lol.

Heres water and raiton being used on sasuke, but nothing happened because hes a raiton userhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/461/02/
Andhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/461/03/

Not a damn thing!!! Why would u thin a suiton could hurt someone a freaking rasengan or chidori couldnt lol??

Kakashi would already know what raikages moves are and what he does.. any idiot can figure out that he's a taijutsu ONLY fighter.. kakashi would figure out a way

Theres something u just keep ignoring, the fact that kakashi wont survive very long lol. Hes too slow and raikage can blitz all day with his bijuu sized chakra.

Also, rai uses nin-taijutsu!

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/260/05/
you fucking fail.

OMFG Myth this is why I really dont like debating with u because u do this. Kakashi did the same thing naruto did to neji u dunce! It has nothing to do with earth style!

What good is going under ground when rai can destroy it along with kakashi with his godly strength!

He was ready for the amaterasu to come out he knew it was coming thanks to konoha's info so he prepared to dodge it... he was already standing by and ready for it to come at him...

the Amaterasu sasuke used APPEARED LIKE A SUMMONING! SHi said himself it Ignites on the target which was the raikagehttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/463/14/! Wether anyone knows its comming or not wont stop them from catching on fire INSTANTLY, but rai speed is INSTANT as well so he was able to dodge!


How can say raikage would lose to kakashi LMAO!!! Kakashi wouldnt stand a chance as would SM naruto!!! Theyre too slow to even compete!!!

Hmm. C2 and C3 combinations might go well against Animal and Demon realms.

C2 dragon flies high and fires off guided explosive clay dragons, while Demon can also fire off missiles. Animal realm can summon airborn beasts. Though, if C3 hits the ground its game over...

It's a fair match up.
Fly where when demon has rocket boots(meaning he could fly), can shoot animal into the fucking air, & animal can not only re-summon demon but also a flying bird which can be ridden. Where will Diedara fly to that would give a large enough gap for him to even use his larger explosions? This match isn't far at all you're just fanning Diedara.

Laser beams pwn clay bombs.

Fly where when demon has rocket boots(meaning he could fly), can shoot animal into the fucking air, & animal can not only re-summon demon but also a flying bird which can be ridden. Where will Diedara fly to that would give a large enough gap for him to even use his larger explosions? This match isn't far at all you're just fanning Diedara.

I would rather talk about this fight instaed of the other one.

Ok, animal realm and demon realm vs deidara.

Starting on the ground deidara is definatly in big trouble, but he was able to avoid sasukes fast as attacks long enough to get airborne so he can do the same with the two slow pokes.

Deidara above can fly and maneuver really fast actually. He can stay at a safe distance from the two pain realm while picking them appart. Although animal can summon that bird thing, deidara can just short it with a C2 homing jutsu and its over for that thing because all it does is smash with its beak in a head on attack.

And since pain realms talk they have to breathe making C4 a fight ender, but I think C3 can take care of buisness.

As long as deidara stays of the ground he should win without much trouble since only 1 summon can fly and demon realm can only fly with his rocket boots in a straight line, not maneuver to chase deidara.

I would rather talk about this fight instaed of the other one.

Ok, animal realm and demon realm vs deidara.

Starting on the ground deidara is definatly in big trouble, but he was able to avoid sasukes fast as attacks long enough to get airborne so he can do the same with the two slow pokes.
1. Pain's bodies aren't slow. They're close to Kakashi in speed while Diedara is slower than Sasuke. Kakashi is equal to or slightly slower than Sasuke.

2. Animal can summon a beast faster than Diedara can create a clay mold & transform it into a bird. Remember he needs to eat clay create a mold then focus chakra.

Deidara above can fly and maneuver really fast actually.
As could Pain with demons rocket boots & bird summonings.

He can stay at a safe distance from the two pain realm while picking them appart.
How would this distance be gained if Pain is on pursuit shooting off laser beams, rockets & flying after him?

Although animal can summon that bird thing, deidara can just short it with a C2 homing jutsu and its over for that thing because all it does is smash with its beak in a head on attack.
Missing the point Animal isn't the only one there. Laser beams would go right through the clay bombs & continuing at the target while rockets can be used to match Diedara bomb for bomb. Think of it as bombs clashing against one another.

And since pain realms talk they have to breathe making C4 a fight ender, but I think C3 can take care of buisness.
Can you prove that dead bodies that move on chakra commands need to breath air? Again there's still that distance requirement which has yet to be proven possible. C3 is extremely huge & again distance issue.

As long as deidara stays of the ground he should win without much trouble since only 1 summon can fly and demon realm can only fly with his rocket boots in a straight line, not maneuver to chase deidara.
OMG it's called moving his feet to adjust his flight direction he can turn fool. Haven't you ever read an iron-man comic? His boots are a straight rip from that.

Also while flying safely high Animal can pull demon away from any attack in an instant. Demon takes point & if something is to large to be handled by demon alone Animal can pull him safely out of there. C4 is a giant Diedara while C3 is simply dropped & can not fly. With enough height nether of those would even be an issue here. Pain takes this 8-2.

Kakashi has no way to win, FACT. Only kamui could possibly harm the raikage, but deidara showed speed can be used to avoid it meaning rai can just run!thats not fact thats your opinion. deidara used no speed kakashi just sucked with mks at the time.. http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/276/10/ you see kakashi fucked up himself...

Lol, ur refering to after sasuke broke out of tsukuyomi where itachis refelexes were momentarily slowed thanks to the side effects of MShttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/389/09/
The rest of the fight itachi kept up with sasuke completly in every exchange!!! Dont belittle itachis speed because kakashi is so damn slow in comparison to sasuke and itachi.No im referring to when AFTER the fight zetsu said itachi's movements were off...
There isnt a pnel in the world to prove what ur talking about!!!! A water jutsu isnt going to do shit to the guy that can run through earth style like knife through butter, its freaking liquid lol.
Heres water and raiton being used on sasuke, but nothing happened because hes a raiton userhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/461/02/
Andhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/461/03/
Not a damn thing!!! Why would u thin a suiton could hurt someone a freaking rasengan or chidori couldnt lol??first off there is such a panel here it is http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/336/12/
you keep failing but its ok, when you're covered in electricity try to touch water and see what happens....
Theres something u just keep ignoring, the fact that kakashi wont survive very long lol. Hes too slow and raikage can blitz all day with his bijuu sized chakra.
speed won't do shit for him against someone like kakashi...
OMFG Myth this is why I really dont like debating with u because u do this. Kakashi did the same thing naruto did to neji u dunce! It has nothing to do with earth style!http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/260/08/
second verse same as the first YOU FUCKING FAIL...

[QUOTE]1. Pain's bodies aren't slow. They're close to Kakashi in speed while Diedara is slower than Sasuke. Kakashi is equal to or slightly slower than Sasuke.

Do I really have to explain this again? Kakashi was blown away by itachis speed when they fought while sasuke easily kept up and at times out maneuvered itachi.

Since diedara can maneuver enough to escape sasuke whos much faster then both of those realms, deidara can do the same with them.

2. Animal can summon a beast faster than Diedara can create a clay mold & transform it into a bird. Remember he needs to eat clay create a mold then focus chakra.

Deidaras shown creating clay animals in seconds if not even that long. He reaches in an pulls out his clay animals, not sit there for 10 seconds otherwise sasuke wouldve blitzed deidei and been on his marry way.

As could Pain with demons rocket boots & bird summonings.

Pains 1 bird summon and demons rocket boots I already adressed. The bird summon attacks head on wiht its beak (a homing caly bird bomb will do the trick) and demon can only fly straight while deidara can move in any direction with pretty good speed.

How would this distance be gained if Pain is on pursuit shooting off laser beams, rockets & flying after him?

Just as deidara needs a couple seconds, so does demon to take of his cloak and get his scorpion skewer, rockets and lazers ready for battle.

Missing the point Animal isn't the only one there. Laser beams would go right through the clay bombs & continuing at the target while rockets can be used to match Diedara bomb for bomb. Think of it as bombs clashing against one another.

I could see that, but thats all the time deidara would need to get airborne and on the way to victory from above.

Deidara as proved in the sasuke fight is actually really good with defense which he also proved against KN0 naruto, neji, and lee with no arms.

Can you prove that dead bodies that move on chakra commands need to breath air? Again there's still that distance requirement which has yet to be proven possible. C3 is extremely huge & again distance issue.

One cant speak without air in the lungs, its a science fact so C4 would work.

Deidaras a distance fighter so distance is his bread and butter.


OMG it's called moving his feet to adjust his flight direction he can turn fool. Haven't you ever read an iron-man comic? His boots are a straight rip from that.

Im sorry, but demon realm isnt Iron man and hes only been shown to move forward, no other direction so thats all he can do without just assuming which is pointless.

Also while flying safely high Animal can pull demon away from any attack in an instant. Demon takes point & if some is to large to be handled by demon alone Animal can pull him safely out of their. C4 is a giant Diedara while C3 is simply dropped & can not fly. With enough height nether of those would even be an issue here. Pain takes this 8-2.

I know animal can summon demon which is actaullity is something deidara should want to use because he can force animal to summon demon away from an attack then drop one big bomb taking out both at the same time.

Or deidara can set a couple of his centipedes that can hide under ground then latch to any realm that falls for the trap.

Also, I think ur uderestimating the speed of deis Homing bird bombs that sasuke with his great speed could barely avoid meaning these guys arent going to be so lucky.

Deidara 9-1!

Fly where when demon has rocket boots(meaning he could fly), can shoot animal into the fucking air, & animal can not only re-summon demon but also a flying bird which can be ridden. Where will Diedara fly to that would give a large enough gap for him to even use his larger explosions? This match isn't far at all you're just fanning Diedara.

For all we know he probably can't even control his movements freely while he's in the air. It could probably just propel him in one direction at a time, it wasn't made clear if he was created with a hovering mechanism, or if the degree of aceleration can be slowed, or increased. But anyway you said reverse summon Demon, so ok, I'll except the aerial play here.

Though, you make it seem as though Deidara can't defend himself in mid-air. Guided C2 explosives (which are large targets that can potentially cloud the missiles), and he can ditch the larger dragon, for a smaller one (to increase mobility) and move further up (though that'll probably be a bit)problematic since he needs the fire power.

And easily C2 explosives can guard against Pain's summons, or are you suggesting that Sakura's punch is more destructive than a C2 bomb?

I'm not fanning Deidara, I don't like his character all that much. But, the power of his explosives shouldn't be underestimated.

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-249/page010.html

C2 projectiles are at least comparable to the a laser beam.

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-358/page007.html

Projectile from Demon's head.

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-420/page017.html

I take it that since buildings were in ruin, they contributed to a lot of the dust and debris. But in my honest opinion, it is hard to judge which explosives are stronger when at least comparing the C2 level to Demon realm's laser missles.

I'm not saying Deidara would win, but it's not all that fair to say Deidara would be offed the second he gets onto the field.

thats not fact thats your opinion. deidara used no speed kakashi just sucked with mks at the time..

LMAO, deidaras flying around on a bird maneuvering and kakashi just couldnt do any better because of that lol. Quit trying to reinterprit manga panels to act like deidara wasnt actually moving while kakashis just not Skilled.

LMAO, deidaras flying around on a bird maneuvering and kakashi just couldnt do any better because of that lol. Quit trying to reinterprit manga panels to act like deidara wasnt actually moving while kakashis just not Skilled.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/276/10/[/url] you see kakashi fucked up himself...
No im referring to when AFTER the fight zetsu said itachi's movements were off...

That just means kakashi not skilled with kamui meaning it really wouldnt do shit to the raikage with his speed and reflexes. Kakashi should train it more, but he doesnt, thats his fualt.

All zetsu said is that something was wrong with itachi, then showed the instance when itachi was hit after he was weakend by the MS's side effects and then by itachi spitting up blood after summoning sasanoo that drains ones life.

first off there is such a panel here it is http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/336/12/
you keep failing but its ok, when you're covered in electricity try to touch water and see what happens....

Are u retarted? U posted a link of kakashi putting out a fire then ignored the link I posted that proves suiton and raiton wont even hurt a raiton user lol. Thats bliding oneself to ignore the harsh truth right there!

speed won't do shit for him against someone like kakashi...

This is rediculous!!! Kakashi was too slow to compete itachi, what do u think rai would do to the poor guy? U must know nothing about fighting if u think someone like kakashi could beat rai with his level of speed and lack of powerful jutsu.

Well lool at that, naruto can use doton lol!

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-104/page016.html

Do I really have to explain this again? Kakashi was blown away by itachis speed when they fought while sasuke easily kept up and at times out maneuvered itachi.
Kakashi kept up with Itachi he commented on his seal speed which yes is fast however his actual speed Kakashi never had a problem with. In fact Kakashi pretty much solo'ed a 30% Itachi which was basically Itachi without his MKs. But I guess you'll ignore the little facts like that.

Since diedara can maneuver enough to escape sasuke whos much faster then both of those realms, deidara can do the same with them.
Sasuke first went for Tobi 357-09 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/357/09/) then went for Diedara & got behind him with ease 357-13 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/357/13/) where Diedara had to use a bomb to help him escape Sasuke 357-14 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/357/14/). Diedara wasn't keeping up with Sasuke he was getting schooled in speed.


Deidaras shown creating clay animals in seconds if not even that long. He reaches in an pulls out his clay animals, not sit there for 10 seconds otherwise sasuke wouldve blitzed deidei and been on his marry way.
It's still longer then the time required to summon animals. FYI Animal could summon a bird & hellhound at the same time. As for Sasuke he stood around l& watched for Diedara's next move out of caution because of his abilities which allowed Diedara the time needed to create his C2 dragon it took Diedara 3 manga pages before that thing came out.

Pains 1 bird summon and demons rocket boots I already adressed. The bird summon attacks head on wiht its beak (a homing caly bird bomb will do the trick) and demon can only fly straight while deidara can move in any direction with pretty good speed.
Hey the bird is used to gain height not attack Diedara. Demon is doing most of the fighting. Demon's boots give him rocket power. Move his feet & he'd fucking turn. Stop acting like a dumbarse for the sake of arguing.

Just as deidara needs a couple seconds, so does demon to take of his cloak and get his scorpion skewer, rockets and lazers ready for battle.
Yes & those seconds would allow for Animal to summon a few beast before Diedara could even get off a bomb.

I could see that, but thats all the time deidara would need to get airborne and on the way to victory from above.
Above who? Both animal & demon are flying.


Deidara as proved in the sasuke fight is actually really good with defense which he also proved against KN0 naruto, neji, and lee with no arms.
Huuu? I swear you read a different manga.

1. Sasuke can't fly & still schooled Diedara.
2. Naruto can't fly & still beat the crap out of Diedara's bushin.
3. Team Gai sucks.

One cant speak without air in the lungs, its a science fact so C4 would work.
Fair enough I'll except that however there's still that distance issue.

Deidaras a distance fighter so distance is his bread and butter.
Yes against people that can't actually fly. Another both Animal & Demon have methods of flying.

Im sorry, but demon realm isnt Iron man and hes only been shown to move forward, no other direction so thats all he can do without just assuming which is pointless.
Manga proves otherwise he lifted off of the ground in a straight path at Tsunade. He fucking flew. Demon can fly upward & turn based on how his feet & legs are positioned.

I know animal can summon demon which is actaullity is something deidara should want to use because he can force animal to summon demon away from an attack then drop one big bomb taking out both at the same time.
You say drop as if Diedara is hovering over people that can fucking fly! FYI you're forgetting Diedara's chakra & clay issue. He's not Nagato who has enough chakra to fuel 6 bodies & massive summons at the same time.

Or deidara can set a couple of his centipedes that can hide under ground then latch to any realm that falls for the trap.
Riiiiiiight as if they wouldn't be flying.

Also, I think ur uderestimating the speed of deis Homing bird bombs that sasuke with his great speed could barely avoid meaning these guys arent going to be so lucky.
You['re a lost cause you know that right? Are you doing this just so you can talk more about Sasuke's great speed? Notice how he's stuck on the ground & Diedara is hovering over him! Of course the explosions would be hard to dodge because of their size but because of the speed of the clay mold. If shot out of the sky these explosions would blowup in Diedara's face.

Deidara 9-1!

Laserbeams dude laserbeams. You're to much of a fanboy to take seriously.

Kakashi kept up with Itachi he commented on his seal speed which yes is fast however his actual speed Kakashi never had a problem with. In fact Kakashi pretty much solo'ed a 30% Itachi which was basically Itachi without his MKs. But I guess you'll ignore the little facts like that.

I really dont know why u or myth thought it was only itachis seal speed when the manga clearly sayshttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/142/10/
His jutsu are too fast (jutsu are techniques no hand seals) My eyes cant eve keep track of HIM (as in itachi). Its canonz!!!

Soloed? Itachi was fighting kakashi while using genjutsu on naruto at the same time lol. Not only that, but at 30% itachi was still trying not to harm those damn weaklings lol which is why there were no kamikaze clones, no speed blitz. Just itachi buying time so gaara could be drained nothing more.

Why dont u bring up the fact that despite being at 30% (loss of speed and power) kakashi could still not do anything without narutos help!

Lol, I just posted this a page ago!!!

Sasuke first went for Tobi 357-09 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/357/09/) then went for Diedara & got behind him with ease

I know that! The only reason deidara was able to escape unharmed is because sasuke went for tobi first because he needed dei alive to find out where itachi was.

357-13 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/357/13/) where Diedara had to use a bomb to help him escape Sasuke

i know that, but deidara made the bombs real quick.

357-14 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/357/14/). Diedara wasn't keeping up with Sasuke he was getting schooled in speed.

I know die wasnt keeping up, but with his Bombs he was able to squeek by and get in the air.


It's still longer then the time required to summon animals. FYI Animal could summon a bird & hellhound at the same time. As for Sasuke he stood around l& watched for Diedara's next move out of caution because of his abilities which allowed Diedara the time needed to create his C2 dragon it took Diedara 3 manga pages before that thing came out.

Dei reached inhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-357/page011.html

Then a panel later already had the boms made meaning it doesnt take him but a second to create his arthttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-357/page012.html


Hey the bird is used to gain height not attack Diedara. Demon is doing most of the fighting. Demon's boots give him rocket power. Move his feet & he'd fucking turn. Stop acting like a dumbarse for the sake of arguing.

Both times when pain fought. WHen first meeting an opponent he used one real at a time to guage the opponent so there is no team attacking of the bat because pain never did that. No scenarios, but what pain showed in the manga otherwise I could just say dei creates a clay bushin, has it eat demolition clay and creates asuper explosion why the real one hides under ground and without kakashi there to suck the blast into another deminsion, pains going to die.


Yes & those seconds would allow for Animal to summon a few beast before Diedara could even get off a bomb.

I rechecked the manag and it only takes dei a second to make bombs which would just allow animal to summon some summons then get reasy to attack.

Above who? Both animal & demon are flying.

How is animal flying? And demon can only fly straight which wont do much because dei can fly any direction.

Huuu? I swear you read a different manga.

I read the manag where deidara is slick like kakashi, but powerful and fast like gaara with his ninjutsu. And just owns with C4 lol.

1. Sasuke can't fly & still schooled Diedara.

Sasuke had the SG, god like speed, CS, a raiton lance and a really great strategy that got dei off his summon. Meanwhile animal and demon have summons, rockets, lazer beam and only basic intelligence which doesnt offer a strategy like what sasuke used. Pain always just overwhelms his opponent with his power and secrets that keep him alive.

2. Naruto can't fly & still beat the crap out of Diedara's bushin.

Naruto caught deidara just as his arm was getting sucked off so that doesnt mean anything. And when naruto attacked again in KN0 deidara slipped right past naruto like he was a noob with no arms lol.

3. Team Gai sucks.

Team gai doesnt suck, they just dont get a chance to show what they can do after 200 chapters:( That and kisames owning KB so losing to kisame isnt that bad anymore lol

Yes against people that can't actually fly. Another both Animal & Demon have methods of flying.

Animals never been shown to fly on his bird, but if u want use it u can because that just means when dei kills the bird summon animals going with it lol.

Manga proves otherwise he lifted off of the ground in a straight path at Tsunade. He fucking flew. Demon can fly upward & turn based on how his feet & legs are positioned.

Hes not Iron so u cant say how a chatacter can do something they have never done otherwise I could say deidara I could say deidara could make 4 clay bushins and have the summons and demon attack them just to get blown up, but deis never done that in the manga.

You say drop as if Diedara is hovering over people that can fucking fly! FYI you're forgetting Diedara's chakra & clay issue. He's not Nagato who has enough chakra to fuel 6 bodies & massive summons at the same time.

Animal cant fly and demon can only fly once and stright leaving them sitting ducks after demons straight attack fails.

Deidara actually did alot against sasuke including C4 so he would have plenty of time and chakra to pick the two realms apart from a safe distance.

Riiiiiiight as if they wouldn't be flying.

Nope, just demon and straight only once as hes shown in the manga. No assumtion skills only manga feats.

You['re a lost cause you know that right? Are you doing this just so you can talk more about Sasuke's great speed? Notice how he's stuck on the ground & Diedara is hovering over him! Of course the explosions would be hard to dodge because of their size but because of the speed of the clay mold. If shot out of the sky these explosions would blowup in Diedara's face.

No Im using sasuke to explain why the two realms wouldnt be able to stop deidara from getting into flight and on his way to picking them apart.

Do what? WHy would deidara blow up one of his own bombs in his face?

Laserbeams dude laserbeams. You're to much of a fanboy to take seriously.[/

Demon shot the lazer once in the manag and it didnt even do that much damage so whats ur point?



EDIT: Here deidei created his bird and got on it in a second flat meaning he can get of the ground and away from the realms in a second flat.http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-249/page001.html

KISAME vs YAMATO

That just means kakashi not skilled with kamui meaning it really wouldnt do shit to the raikage with his speed and reflexes. Kakashi should train it more, but he doesnt, thats his fualt.that was BACK THEN now kakashi can use the mks freely, before he needed a hand seal to charge it now he just activates it like itachi.. which is proof that he's been practicing... plus he used it on a flying bullet that demon realm shot and that shit was small but he still put it away.. but thats not the point my point was deidara didn't do shit its just at the time kakashi's skill with mks was still shaky...

All zetsu said is that something was wrong with itachi, then showed the instance when itachi was hit after he was weakend by the MS's side effects and then by itachi spitting up blood after summoning sasanoo that drains ones life.http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/394/06/ yes he was talking about that as well as the rest of the fight.. you see he says ATTACKS as in plural...

Are u retarted? U posted a link of kakashi putting out a fire then ignored the link I posted that proves suiton and raiton wont even hurt a raiton user lol. Thats bliding oneself to ignore the harsh truth right there!the retard is you, you said a panel didn't exist where kakashi can use a suiton without water and be far away... i said there was and proved it.. I want you to understand something. Im not arguing with you on raikage>kakashi or kakashi>raiakge... Im just tearing down a few points you made that WERE not accurate.. the deidara point, that kakashi using sution from far away point,and kakashi not being able to use dotan to go underground.. these 3 points u babbled about and said links didn't exist and iclearly proved that you're full of shit.. idc what u think about who wins...

KISAME vs YAMATO

Yamato > Kisame

Doton > Suiton

I'm sure Yamato could use the water from Kisame's ocean jutsu to make mokuton out of it. Kisame doesn't stand a chance against Yamato.

[QUOTE]that was BACK THEN now kakashi can use the mks freely, before he needed a hand seal to charge it now he just activates it like itachi.. which is proof that he's been practicing... plus he used it on a flying bullet that demon realm shot and that shit was small but he still put it away.. but thats not the point my point was deidara didn't do shit its just at the time kakashi's skill with mks was still shaky...

No he used it on a missle that was no faster then demon getting launched by his rocket boots which all is still far slower then the raikage that can move instantly as stated herehttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-463/page014.html

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/394/06/ yes he was talking about that as well as the rest of the fight.. you see he says ATTACKS as in plural...

He was refering to the two examples that are shaded (the spitting up blood which sasanoo caused and the time itachi got hit after he was suffering from the effects of MS failure) No other shaded examples so those were the ATTACKS (more then 1) he was refering to!

the retard is you, you said a panel didn't exist where kakashi can use a suiton without water and be far away... i said there was and proved it.. I want you to understand something.

Lol, u said rai would be in trouble if kakashi used a water jutsu on him while he was in raiton armour, nothing about making water appear lol. I already knew kakashi could do that, just its irrelavent since it cant harm the raikage even in base form lol.

Im not arguing with you on raikage>kakashi or kakashi>raiakge... Im just tearing down a few points you made that WERE not accurate.. the deidara point, that kakashi using sution from far away point,and kakashi not being able to use dotan to go underground.. these 3 points u babbled about and said links didn't exist and iclearly proved that you're full of shit.. idc what u think about who wins...

The deidara point sitll stands! Kakashi has yet to prove hes gotten any better attacking with his MS jutsu, not awakening it lol.

And I never said kakashi couldnt produce water, just that the water wouldnt do any good.

And the donton thing is confusing because naruto and kakashi did the exact same thing yet kakashi used an element to do it so IDK whats going on about that.

Yamato > Kisame

Doton > Suiton

I'm sure Yamato could use the water from Kisame's ocean jutsu to make mokuton out of it. Kisame doesn't stand a chance against Yamato.

Lol, yamato can only make a hill while kisame can make an ocean to cover that hill lol. Not only that because of kisames brute strength no mokuton is going to bind or restrain him. Lol, and kisames been showing some good speed by competing with kisame in tailed form before the chakras sucked up so it more then obvious now kisame would utterly murder yamato in a minute flat.

Yamato would beat Kisame, come on now. He can only make a hill??

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-396/page009.html

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-396/page010.html

Doesn't look like some "hill" to me, looks more like ripping apart a huge chunk of earth and TURNING IT AROUND. Yamato knows how to fight and study his opponents, he'd recognize what Samehada does and would avoid it, I mean can't samehada only eat visible chakra? So how would Samehada eat Yamato's chakra away if he keeps his distance, he can use suiton's as well you know, he created a fucking waterfall and THUS proceeded to expand upon it as well. This is one of those either or fights.

No he used it on a missle that was no faster then demon getting launched by his rocket boots which all is still far slower then the raikage that can move instantly as stated herehttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-463/page014.htmlIt wasn't a missile its to small to be that, and either way thats not the point the thing was small and flying and he oput it away meaning if he focus that good on a small object thatf ar from him a bigger object is easier.. BTw you do know that once he starts kamui raikage can't do shit about it. thats why deidara was stuck..


Lol, u said rai would be in trouble if kakashi used a water jutsu on him while he was in raiton armour, nothing about making water appear lol. I already knew kakashi could do that, just its irrelavent since it cant harm the raikage even in base form lol.I said he would be in trouble, then you replied with saying kakashi would too because water conducts electricty(obviously you thought kakashi would be standing on the ground). I then said he can use suiton from afar with no water, to which u replied a link doesn't exist to what im talking about... all i did was provide proof... just go back and look...



The deidara point sitll stands! Kakashi has yet to prove hes gotten any better attacking with his MS jutsu, not awakening it lol.
if you awaken it faster it means you've been practicing with it that's just obvious... and don't forget pain shot a Nail at kakashi using st to make it fly very fast and he put that nail away as well.. putting away a flying small object is way harder then to focus on something big you understand right?...


And the donton thing is confusing because naruto and kakashi did the exact same thing yet kakashi used an element to do it so IDK whats going on about that.Naruto used his hands to dig they have a panel showing blood dripping from his finger nails... but naruto's element will prob be earth anyways...

rocket + animal realm vs deidara

rocket realm has rockets,lasers and other high technology weaponry. animal realm has summons, summons and more summons ( even aerial summons) and can reverse summon rocket realm. deidara, has ability to fly and use clay bombs, has pretty decent taijutsu. this fight will not resort to taijutsu because deidara's art is his bombs. on the ground, deidara will lose, because most of his better bombs are more effective while he is airborne, and animal has tons of ground summons. Airborne, deidara has better chances. but rocket pain can also fly, and has range in his weapons. animal realm also has aerial summons. the fight here will be bombs vs rockets. dei9dara has stronger bombs in c4 and c5. but c5 will render himself dead, while c4 is a big question mark. science dictates that to speak, it requires air in lungs. but science does not matter much in a manga where people get revived from the dead. and being dead dictates that organs are not functioning,lungs included. now if c4 would work on the realms, deidara 7-3 animal+rocket. If c4 wouldn't work, animal+rocket 8-2 deidara. otherwise, it would be a draw --c5.


yamato vs kisame

yamato is a ranged fighter, has wood style, and is a good tactician.. kisame is melee, has samehada eating chakra, suiton, and brute force. on dry ground yamato has advantage, kisame woun't be able to catch him., trees would sprout from everywhere entangling kisame, even if kisame has strong physique and a meat cleaver, he would be overwhelmed to the point that he cannot move a muscle. and yamato is not slow to catch easily. once kisame summons the water prison, yamato is in big trouble. in water, kisame surely is the faster one. yamato can still summon the trees for his protection and escape possibly, but just one bruise from samehada would be bad for yamato's chakra. yamato's only chance of winning is if yamato can end the fight early by trapping kisame and piercing his heart or ass with wood. otherwise, he will lose if the fight drags. yamato 3-7 kisame.

latest news..kisame will totally die and was beheaded by raikage and bee...
unfortunately, his samehada found new master wihich is bee..

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Im still trying to phathom how some of yall actually think yamato could beat kisame much less even stand a chance against him.

All yamato can do is try and subdue kisame with his mokuton, but kisames brute strength would just break him right out.
Then yamato has water style, water fall creation while kisame at 30% has ocean creation so kisame>>>>>yamato in suitons. Not to mention yamato has no ofensive suitons only kisame and theyre huge.
Earth style is strong against water style but all yamato can do is make a hill no larger then then the one he made when training naruto, but kisame can drown that hill in water making it useless.

Lol, Kisame without fusing with samehada would rape yamato so fusing with samehada should be outlawed in VS fights unless the opponent is sannin level.

Yamato pwnz Kisame. Don't have the time to explain why because I'm at a bar posting from my phone while smoking a cig.

Yamato pwnz Kisame. Don't have the time to explain why because I'm at a bar posting from my phone while smoking a cig.

Lol, tracking and training someone yamato is win, but actually fighting hes been as useless as a shit flavored Loypop!!!

Yamato has no fighting manga feats only tracking and training lol. Unless this a VS thread about tracking or training then yamato going to lose to alot of people because assumtions Mean nothing compared to actual manga feats which he has none of!!!

Kisame is a sennin level shinobi. Yamato is a high jounin level shinobi, hes not even kage level lol. Base naruto could beat yamato!!!! One of itachis bushins could beat yamato!! Yamatos so fail he couldnt even beat himself if he wanted to!

EDIT: dont reply with BS assumtions about what yamato can and cant do. If u cant provide me manga panles of him Applying his w/e ability and it succeding in combat then dont reply at all.

but eventhough...yamato is quite useful..especially whent the times comes for konoha shinobi to fight madara...maybe yamato will play same important role there..
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sorry if it has been posted allready(7000+ posts to read kinda hard),but what about SM Naruto VS Minato

I can tell you right now in Myth typing. "all minato has to do is tag hm nd hes done"

but if minato tag one of naruto KB, minato will be trapped with it and done.

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I can tell you right now in Myth typing. "all minato has to do is tag hm nd hes done"

It would be done "with lightning precision"..

It would be done "with lightning precision"..

Actually with LIGHT Percison since its moving 186,000 MPS!!!

I know lol, I was just being literal.

New fight Kimimarro (healthy much more chakra, little more strength and speed) VS kakuzu??

in the desert???

Kimimaru would murder most of akatuski himself if he was allowed to live on to part 2 and train.. the guy survived sand coffins twice and after being dragged 200 feet under and crushed still was able to get out..

no akatsuki cept itachi and pain would beat him.... oh and deidara with his c4 bullshit although im not sure that can break down steel which is what his bones were compared to.

i guess we actaully agree on this one.

IMO, kimmimarro being Oros top man for so long knew everything about akatsuki that Oro knew Including kakuzu now that I think about it (remember kabuto gave all info on akatsuki and since kakuzu was there since the begining he had to know something)

I could Kimi having a hard time with kakuzus Iron skin at first. Kakuzu realising he cant hurt kimi without his raiton heart uses that as the frontline heart against kimi. However, after a good long fight between great shinobi Kimi knowing hes out numbered goes C2, under ground then does his huge bones summoning taking out all hearts, but kakuzus earth heart with Iron skin.

After that kimi in C2 can with raw speed catch kakuzu then with brute force hold him down, use his hardest bone attack and pierce kakuzus Iron skin.

Yeah Kimi would take it, his Taijutsu is basically better than both Lee and Gai's combined both with the first gate released and then once he goes tailed state it's fucking over. Myth said it all, dude survived sand coffin TWICE, it doesn't get anymore badass than that.

I know lol, I was just being literal.

New fight Kimimarro (healthy much more chakra, little more strength and speed) VS kakuzu??

in the desert???
Let's see Kimimaro was on his deathbed with only hours left to live & decided to get up & get Sasuke by shear force of will based on a couple of words Kabuto said. Then when faced against a number of different shinobi comes out on top. Gaara who was considered jounin level during the chunin exams couldn't stop Kimi with any of his sand attacks. Making Kimi healthy is just a scary thought. People who don't have methods to absorb chakra, create chakra based piercing or cutting tecs, Amaterasu, or high level genjutsu wouldn't stand a chance. Kakazu doesn't really have any chakra piercing or cutting attacks while Kimimaro is shown to have high speed regeneration. Kakazu's only way to win would be his vine body since Kimi could just bash through the jutsu or use high speed travel within his bone forest. Ehhh really don't see Kakazu winning against a healthy Kimi.

Kimi can destroy all of Kakuzu's hearts. he's fast. he can dodge most of Kakuzu's attacks. his kekei genkai is powerful!

How hard does Kakuzu's skin turn when he hardens it? It could be the perfect match for Kimi's bone kekkei genkai. Just saying. But Kimi being healthy = him shitting on just about everyone in this manga.

but he can't defeat sasuke absolute defend(susano). even kimimaro bone is really hard but with susano attack, he will have no chance to withstand it.

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Kimi would lay waste to Sasuke dude, get serious and the USER CP is useful you know, no need to continue to post your site after each post jackacak.

sasuke would not be sasuke if kimi was alive since oro would have no use for him.

at first i thought it was a bit of overestimation to say that kimimaru would waste kakuzu. but i tried reading again that part of kimimaru versus and saw your reason.

kakuzu is fast, he was able to keep up and pressure kakashi. he has multitudes of level 2 elemental attacks, A rank at most but probably B ranked elems. he has iron skin, has 5 hearts in short 5 lives, he can multiply himself up to 5. Taijutsu wise, probably he can keep up with kimimaru whose is deadly fast, lee wasn't able continue keeping up. kimimaru's taijutsu is from melee to middle range, because he can extend his bones. his bones are sharp,was even compared to steel. able to endure sand prison twice. and that was at his death peak. kakuzu's elemental attacks are AOE, but i don't think kimimaru with his speed and burrowing capability would be caught by kakuzu's elem attacks. taijutsu wise, i wonder how iron skin would fare against kimimaru's bones. kakuzu should have the advantage here because of the battle experience he has over kimimaru, but his main weakness is that he can't easily cope up with "new things". he was caught by 50% FRS because it's the first time he saw it, and doesn't know how to deal with it. Kimimaru being the last from his clan, would definitely be a spectacle to Kakuzu and thus would be the cause of Kakuzu's loss. Kimimaru 6-4 Kakuzu.

kimi would kill kkaakshi as well..

the guy survived 2 sand coffines lol and he was dragged underground 200 feet and supposedly crushed yet he survived that too..
but its the kishi curse any talented young shinobi dies young minato itachi and kimi perfect examples also haku...

Kimi would lay waste to Sasuke dude, get serious and the USER CP is useful you know, no need to continue to post your site after each post jackacak.

Sigh, Im gone for a day and sasukes losing to a lacky:confused:

Sasuke would utterly annihilate Kimi even before the MS because of two big advantages.

1. Genjutsu!!! Kimi may be almost Impossible to physicly hurt, but sasuke can just go straight past that defense and do as he pleases because Kimi showed no kind of genjutsu talent in the least.

And 2. Raiton will go through kimis bone defenses like Hot knife through butter!! Add in the absolute difference in speed 'n SG to predict, dodge and counter kimis every move then its not much of a fight when ones strength becomes useless.


Hidan vs Neji???

Sigh, Im gone for a day and sasukes losing to a lacky:confused:

Sasuke would utterly annihilate Kimi even before the MS because of two big advantages.

1. Genjutsu!!! Kimi may be almost Impossible to physicly hurt, but sasuke can just go straight past that defense and do as he pleases because Kimi showed no kind of genjutsu talent in the least.

And 2. Raiton will go through kimis bone defenses like Hot knife through butter!! Add in the absolute difference in speed 'n SG to predict, dodge and counter kimis every move then its not much of a fight when ones strength becomes useless.





all kimi really needs to do is have those bones come out and since sasuke can't fly he's fucked.. Also genjutsu won't kill him u need something that will kill him..

Chidori is the only thing sasuke has that would kill him well amaterasu also but thats shits easy to evade these days he can use susanoo but his isn't like itachi's so i don't know wtf he can do with it other then smash shit...

sasuke would win if he can somehow find a way to use chidori without have a bone shoved up his ass..

all kimi really needs to do is have those bones come out and since sasuke can't fly he's fucked.. Also genjutsu won't kill him u need something that will kill him..

Chidori is the only thing sasuke has that would kill him well amaterasu also but thats shits easy to evade these days he can use susanoo but his isn't like itachi's so i don't know wtf he can do with it other then smash shit...

sasuke would win if he can somehow find a way to use chidori without have a bone shoved up his ass..

Kimis only shown that ability while under ground, but sasuke SG would be able to see him the whole time because it can see chakra so that attack would fail even it got pulled off because sasuke could use his SG and speed to dodge.

And I know genjutsu wont kill, but sasuke can use his Genjutsu for misdirection and paralysis, thus allowing sasuke a sneak attack with raiton or just walk up to a paralysed kimi and plop his head off.

And I said PreMS sasuke would still own Kimi with CS and Oro hax.

Also, are u forgeting when sasuke hit Gaara in his sand shell during the chunnin exams? He ran stright in and used his SG to avoid the spikes that came out while piercing Gaara. If sasuke could do that as a genin then its no trouble now for sure with a 3 tomoe SG and far more speed.


New fight, Hidan vs Neji??

Kimi wasn't just a "lacky" he was a potential vessel for Orochimaru, meaning he was worthy of being more than a "lacky". I mean do you understand this dude (at the time so don't include now) defeated Lee (granted he had just gotten out of the hospital and wasn't at full strength) in taijutsu, the guy who Sasuke copied in ordered to get better.

Kimi in stage 2 survived Sand coffin TWICE dude, no one has done that since then, and Sasuke wouldn't even survive getting crushed by sand coffin, he would look worse than he did when he got his chest blew open.

EDIT: Hidan vs Neji?? lmao, that's kind of a whack fight, not because of the match up but because these two character's are virtually boring. Hidan all he has to do is go all reverse inside out on neji and slice that bitch and he's done for, although he is the slowest dude in akatsuki. Neji SHOULD be fast considering he trained under the best in the hyuuga, and has kaiten and has jyuken and all that cool shit. Byakugan as well. Idk though.

there's many holes in your post kyf but i won't bother... im just not in the mood.

Kimi wasn't just a "lacky" he was a potential vessel for Orochimaru, meaning he was worthy of being more than a "lacky". I mean do you understand this dude (at the time so don't include now) defeated Lee (granted he had just gotten out of the hospital and wasn't at full strength) in taijutsu, the guy who Sasuke copied in ordered to get better.

I know Kimi was no lacky in combat ability, but because of his lack of individualism and being Oro Original butt buddy hes technicaly a lacky IMO.

Kimi in stage 2 survived Sand coffin TWICE dude, no one has done that since then, and Sasuke wouldn't even survive getting crushed by sand coffin, he would look worse than he did when he got his chest blew open.

Uuum, how would brute strength save Kimi from sasukes raiton jutsu coupled with his Godlike speed??? Unless sasuke tries to wrestle Kimi in C2 stage then hes going to win lol.
Sasukes SG, reflexes, raw speed and raiton is just too much for Kimi healthy or not.

EDIT: Hidan vs Neji?? lmao, that's kind of a whack fight, not because of the match up but because these two character's are virtually boring. Hidan all he has to do is go all reverse inside out on neji and slice that bitch and he's done for, although he is the slowest dude in akatsuki. Neji SHOULD be fast considering he trained under the best in the hyuuga, and has kaiten and has jyuken and all that cool shit. Byakugan as well. Idk though.[/QUOTE]

Well, fights a fight lol.

IMO, Neji would Own Hidan because hidan just tries to draw blood then use his special jutsu which would be almost Impossible since neji has his own ultimate defense of Kaiten. That and although Hidan has the reach with his weapon Nejis able to move at high speeds inside his 8 triagram territory which is about the same size as Hidans reach with his weapon. So, Neji shuts off hidans chakra which would leave him without his special ability and useless as a shit flavored loypop.

hidan is the worst possible opponent for neji.. if you think neji can go through the fight without even 1 scratch you guys are on some other shit....

And all it takes is 1 little scratch and hidan wins.

hidan is the worst possible opponent for neji.. if you think neji can go through the fight without even 1 scratch you guys are on some other shit....

And all it takes is 1 little scratch and hidan wins.

Seriously? Neji as a genin kept naruto even in KN0 from touching him until he ran out of chakra and got ambushed. Lol, KN0 was kicking sasukes ass and he has the SG and awesome speed for a genin back then so what are u talking about?

The only people to even hit neji in combat is naruto and Kidomaru who couldt land a single attack even using Gorilla tactics. Well, until kido found neji blind spot after quite a few failed ambushes from afar so Hidan touching neji with his clumsy taijutsu NO. Hidan deducing the BG's blind spot, NO.

Neji would utterly rape Hidan the moment he came into Nejis range of 8triagrams which is basicly the same distance hidan can use his weapon so thats that.


New fight of predicted circumstances of the future battle between sasuke and Kabuoro. Kabuoro (using Edo tensai and reviving Oro and Jman the two dead sannin) Vs MS sasuke with perfected sasanoo (which includes the sword of totsuga and yata Mirrior I assume itachi transfered to sasuke) and usage of Raiton armor (which I assume he will have) No EMS because that comes later and we dont know exactly what it can do?

No summons for generic Jman or Oro and Kabuoro is the same exept he can heal wounds even faster, has a larger chakra pool and can use Oros hendge snake jutsu in Konaha crater.

GO??????

neji will simply see throuh hidan trick with his byakugan and after knowing hidan's ninjutsu, hidan will be nothing other than such a punchbag for neji with his 128 hakke fist style.

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Going to the kimi vs sasuke.

Cmon KYF sasuke beating kimi. Kimi kills kage's like its a hobby. on his deathbed he nearly killed gaara and were talking like he was coughing up blood. He ripped through naruto, lee, and gaara and your telling me sasuke can beat a dude like kimi??? no not now now ever not in a thousand years no matter how much pnj can kimi lose to sasuke.

neji will simply see throuh hidan trick with his byakugan and after knowing hidan's ninjutsu, hidan will be nothing other than such a punchbag for neji with his 128 hakke fist style.

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the thing is hidan's technique doesn't require chakra at all. the best way to beat hidan is to stay away from him. That's why ninjutsu like kagemane jutsu is the best against him

A healthy Kimimaro is like Sasuke with a Bijuu...why molest the canon like that?

Why not have a Cyber-Itachi fight a half-crippled Third, that'll be a fair match! :P

Kyf you're new fight is completely stupid do something else please..

@hidan vs neji, why are you comparing hidan to a gennin naruto lmfao this guy killed yugito with his technique...

you're not getting it if you really think neji can fight against ANY AKATSUKI and not get a scratch you're completely fucking insane... and unfortunately that would never happen or neji wouldn't suck the way he sucks now..

this guy fought on par with kakashi hand to hand kakashi's taijutsu rivals gai's... kakashi would fucking decimate neji... all hidan needs is a scratch and he wins AND YES HE CAN AND WOULD SCRATCH THE FUCKER...

fight over.. .

Going to the kimi vs sasuke.

Cmon KYF sasuke beating kimi. Kimi kills kage's like its a hobby. on his deathbed he nearly killed gaara and were talking like he was coughing up blood. He ripped through naruto, lee, and gaara and your telling me sasuke can beat a dude like kimi??? no not now now ever not in a thousand years no matter how much pnj can kimi lose to sasuke.

Kimi healthy is just alittle increase in speed, strength, but huge increase in chakra. Kimi with just those power ups aretn going to beat sasuke who can litteraly walk right through Kimis bone defense thanks to raiton>>>>Bone jutsu.

Beating down a Genin KN0 naruto, genin injured Lee and genin Gaara isnt exacly much of a feat compared to sasukes lol. Sasuke beat KN1 naruto just as a genin and even beat Gaara before too when he was a genin.

Also, Oro killed the kages not Kimi dude. Still, sasuke took on and handeled the top kage, the leader kage.

Kyf you're new fight is completely stupid do something else please..

sasuke vs KabuOro is just a matter of time and since I couldnt see Kabuoro standing a chance against sasuke by then I gave him Edo tensai with Jman and Oro.

Why not debate it??

@hidan vs neji, why are you comparing hidan to a gennin naruto lmfao this guy killed yugito with his technique...

you're not getting it if you really think neji can fight against ANY AKATSUKI and not get a scratch you're completely fucking insane... and unfortunately that would never happen or neji wouldn't suck the way he sucks now..

this guy fought on par with kakashi hand to hand kakashi's taijutsu rivals gai's... kakashi would fucking decimate neji... all hidan needs is a scratch and he wins AND YES HE CAN AND WOULD SCRATCH THE FUCKER...

fight over.. .[/QUOTE]

Are u serious? Hidan fight kakashi by himself!!! Kakashi took on Kakuzu and hidan at once so IDK what u have been reading lol.

Anyways, Hidan is trash and can beat by any gifted shinobi in this manga. All Hidan did was beat Asuma because while trying to protect shika and the other two genin he got scratched plus didnt know about hidans ability. Lol, once hidans abilities were no longer a secret shika a freaking chunnin killed his ass single handedly.

Hidan wouldbt be able to scratch neji with his sad taijutsu skills that couldnt even hurt shikamaru. Nejis taijutsu and defenses are on 5 other levels beyond shika so shaddup about that YES HE CAN BECUASE ITS CANNONZ HOW GREAT NEJIS DEFENSES ARE SO HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Neji wins!!

Anyways, Hidan is trash and can beat by any gifted shinobi in this manga. All Hidan did was beat Asuma because while trying to protect shika and the other two genin he got scratched plus didnt know about hidans ability. Lol, once hidans abilities were no longer a secret shika a freaking chunnin killed his ass single handedly.Hidan isn't to great you're right but his jutsu doesn't need him to be great and he's still pretty strong..

Hidan wouldbt be able to scratch neji with his sad taijutsu skills that couldnt even hurt shikamaru. Nejis taijutsu and defenses are on 5 other levels beyond shika so shaddup about that YES HE CAN BECUASE ITS CANNONZ HOW GREAT NEJIS DEFENSES ARE SO HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Neji wins!!He couldn't do shit to shika because he planned a whole week on how to beat him after seeing his techniques and shit, don't comapre neji to shika neji is nowhere enar shika in the smarts department this was mentioned all the way in part 1.. His taijutsu skills were enough to fight kakashi 1 on 1 before kakuzu interfered.. and if you really think neji would beat him without even getting a scratch there's no point in arguing anything with you..

Hidan > Neji based off the fact that he only needs a NICK or a scratch to kill you.. neji is way to inexperienced and cocky as shit he will def get at least 1 scratch on him..

Hidan isn't to great you're right but his jutsu doesn't need him to be great and he's still pretty strong..

He couldn't do shit to shika because he planned a whole week on how to beat him after seeing his techniques and shit, don't comapre neji to shika neji is nowhere enar shika in the smarts department this was mentioned all the way in part 1.. His taijutsu skills were enough to fight kakashi 1 on 1 before kakuzu interfered.. and if you really think neji would beat him without even getting a scratch there's no point in arguing anything with you..

LMAO, I dont care how smart shika is the point is shikas taijutsu and defense is crap compared to nejis and yet he chumped Hidan even without an ultimate defense so ur comparing of facts are so far off its confussing in al honesty.

Lol, Ur logic shikas taijutsu and defenses>Nejis is scary. Ur criticising me yet, lol.

Hidan > Neji based off the fact that he only needs a NICK or a scratch to kill you.. neji is way to inexperienced and cocky as shit he will def get at least 1 scratch on him..Lol, again, facts say Hidan cant do crap if he cant touch shika with his fail defenses so Neji would obviously pwn him with some juuken.

Lol, Ur logic shikas taijutsu and defenses>Nejis is scary.

well, of course nejis taijutsu and defenses are higher than shikas, but shika used his wits against hidan... he let hidan think that he cut him, and then blew him up in a ditch and buried him in it. unless neji prepared that far ahead like shika did, one little cut and nejis done for.

LMAO, I dont care how smart shika is the point is shikas taijutsu and defense is crap compared to nejis and yet he chumped Hidan even without an ultimate defense so ur comparing of facts are so far off its confussing in al honesty.Ur not making any sense, they never fought head on shika was using his plan to catch hidan, it was only working because he prepared for it in advanced.. if they fought just like that outta nowhere hidan would skull fuck him....


Lol, again, facts say Hidan cant do crap if he cant touch shika with his fail defenses so Neji would obviously pwn him with some juuken.the only facts are is that shika was only tryign to lure hidan the entire time into his trap WHICH HE PREPARED FOR SO IT WAS WORKING.


Neji knows nothing about hidan how he fights or anything about him, he doesn't know that if u get scratched u'll be fucked.. and like i said neji isn't good enough to win ANY FIGHT without a scratch we don't know jack shit about his part 2 skills and his part 1 skills aren't good enough to trump any akatsuki or strong fighter in general...strong meaning on the level of akatsuki..

Actually it was three chuunin's and a jounin facing Hidan and Kakuzu, those two extra's were not genin's. However while they didn't provide much help, they weren't genin's.

I believe that Hidan would win for one reason, he is immortal. Now if he wasn't, Neji would probably win within seconds using 64-palm iwin no jutsu; yet he has no chance of even slowing Hidan because of his immortality.

Even after Hidan's head was severed from his body, he was still able to talk to Shikamaru, I don't think that even with his chakra points shut off he would quit going. As shown in the Manga, the only way to even slow him was to chop off a body part.

Therefore we can presume that Neji would eventually run out of chakra and Hidan would then get to use his cool Aids no jutsu and finish Neji off.

I think that a more interesting fight would be between Hidan and Tenten. She obviously has many things to hack Hidan to bits and I think that she seems much much much faster than Hidan, even as a Genin.

Pictures Neji hitting Hidan in 64 chakra points.

(Hidan gets back up.)

Neji:.................. (Then Hidan's sickle comes flying at Neji... Game over, insert coin here for a rematch).

hidan vs neji

hidan fights in close quarters. but has up to mid range capability due to his scythe weapon. neji is a melee taijutsu specialist. he has few mid range abilities, has byakugan, gentle fist. but having those abilities would not warrant him winning scatheless during the fight. much worse, being a taijutsu specialist heightens the risk of neji falling into hidan's trap. and surely the curse jutsu would kick in. neji would bite the dust in this fight. i give it Hidan 8-2 Neji.

well, of course nejis taijutsu and defenses are higher than shikas, but shika used his wits against hidan... he let hidan think that he cut him, and then blew him up in a ditch and buried him in it. unless neji prepared that far ahead like shika did, one little cut and nejis done for.

Shikas wits didnt avoid hidans blows and compete with him to catch him with his kage mane so the wits arguement just does no good.

Ur not making any sense, they never fought head on shika was using his plan to catch hidan, it was only working because he prepared for it in advanced.. if they fought just like that outta nowhere hidan would skull fuck him....

Oh no, ur right. SHika didnt fight close quarters to catch hidan herehttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/335/17/

Or here where shika in taijutsu chumped this guy by not only avoiding the attack, but attaching kakuzus blood on the weapon lolhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/337/07/

the only facts are is that shika was only tryign to lure hidan the entire time into his trap WHICH HE PREPARED FOR SO IT WAS WORKING.

SHikas physical performance has nothing to do with wits, strategy or tactics so dont BS. Shika easily chumped hidan in every close combat situation, thus proving Nejis whos a close combat Monster would Murder Hidan.

Neji knows nothing about hidan how he fights or anything about him, he doesn't know that if u get scratched u'll be fucked.. and like i said neji isn't good enough to win ANY FIGHT without a scratch we don't know jack shit about his part 2 skills and his part 1 skills aren't good enough to trump any akatsuki or strong fighter in general...strong meaning on the level of akatsuki..

Last I checked Neji knew asuma was dead so he mustve known how it was done since konaha compiles info on akatsuki so do the math. Even if he didnt know the secret hidan has to get too close to draw blood which will get his chakra taken away which means no ritual because thats a ninjutsu lol. Neji wins.

Pictures Neji hitting Hidan in 64 chakra points.

(Hidan gets back up slowly and wabbly because his tenktsus have been annihilated.)

Neji:.................. (Then Hidan's sickle cant come flying because hes almost Immobile from having his chakra points destroyed... Game over, insert coin here for a rematch).

Fixed it^^^^^

Lol, I suppose after neji annihilates all of hidans chakra points leaving him no chakra and limited movement if any at all nejis going to get caught by a sythe that fights by itself I guess.

Lol, Hidan Immortal not Invinceable!!!! Naruto who has super healing powers was left Immobile after he got hit with only 64 palms, not 128 so Hidan who has no healing powers is going to be FUCKED!!!

Dude just give it up we all know that Shikamaru prepared for this fight against hidan he knew everything about him and thought of a plan on how to catch him...

yes he fought hand to hand with him i never said he didn't, but the only reason he was able to was because he knew how hidan moved around from observing the previous asuma fight..

If they fought right off the bat just like that shikamaru would fucking lose he was completely worthless the first time they met......

it took a while to prepare for the fight, he prepared so much so as to set the trap in the nara family forest.. he knew he was going to win because his plan was literally flawless..

So you can blabber all you want but this entire forum knows shika's strength is built upon the fact that he can outwit almost anyone his skills as a ninja are very shaky, he uses his wits to win the fights not his skills..

If you read the manga back in part 1 you'd know the chunnin comented on how the only reason he had a better chance at chunnin then naruto and neji was because he was smart as hell.. while naruto and neji were called hot shots it was said they are the types to get a team killed in a mission...

Not to mention the fact that hidans immortal you can't kill him the only way to beat him was to blow him the fuck up and bury him...
So neji is completely fucked cause nothing he can do would kill hidan since he's immortal..

not to mention we haven't seen neji fight in part 2 yet so this fight is his part 1 skills since we don't know shit about him in part 2 which means he stands no FUCKING CHANCE AT ALL...

Dude just give it up we all know that Shikamaru prepared for this fight against hidan he knew everything about him and thought of a plan on how to catch him...

yes he fought hand to hand with him i never said he didn't, but the only reason he was able to was because he knew how hidan moved around from observing the previous asuma fight..

If they fought right off the bat just like that shikamaru would fucking lose he was completely worthless the first time they met......

it took a while to prepare for the fight, he prepared so much so as to set the trap in the nara family forest.. he knew he was going to win because his plan was literally flawless..

So you can blabber all you want but this entire forum knows shika's strength is built upon the fact that he can outwit almost anyone his skills as a ninja are very shaky, he uses his wits to win the fights not his skills..

If you read the manga back in part 1 you'd know the chunnin comented on how the only reason he had a better chance at chunnin then naruto and neji was because he was smart as hell.. while naruto and neji were called hot shots it was said they are the types to get a team killed in a mission...

Not to mention the fact that hidans immortal you can't kill him the only way to beat him was to blow him the fuck up and bury him...
So neji is completely fucked cause nothing he can do would kill hidan since he's immortal..

not to mention we haven't seen neji fight in part 2 yet so this fight is his part 1 skills since we don't know shit about him in part 2 which means he stands no FUCKING CHANCE AT ALL...

There is no need to reply to all of ur post only to reenlighten u to why Hidan wouldnt stand a chance.

1. Besides 359 degrees of vision to defend and counter any attack Neji can also create a barrier to sense attacks comming from a distance about the size of his 8triagram barrierhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/101/07/
Then also made abvious is nejis ability to project chakra from all chakra points in his body creating a defense that rivals Gaaras (read more of page 7) andhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/101/08/

2. Nejis Juuken not only shuts off chakra points, but hits very hard at the same time as seen here as nejis 64 palms put Kidomaru through a big ass Treehttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/194/04/
And if Hidan can still get up then Much stronger now jounin neji can just do this to his asshttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/195/15/
And resulthttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/195/16/

3. It took Neji out of chakra so his BG cant see through the ground, cant put up a barrier around himself and an Ambush before he finally got hit by naruto in the chunnin exams.
Then it took a freaking strategist on kakashis level
(Analysis)http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/194/15/ andhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/195/05/andhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/195/09/
and(strategy)http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/194/17/
and actaul sucess showing how good he truely ishttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/195/13/


Thats what it takes to actualy even hit neji lol. and last I checked hidan doesnt ambush warnout shinobi because hes stupid and just fights head on. And even worse hidan isnt smart or analytical at all meaning he couldnt in a million years figure out the BG's weak spot to land a hit lol so in lamens terms

Neji>Hidan by sytle, manga feats and just in everything else (speed, power, skill, ect) exept special jutsu.

I love how you provide panels and shit to stuff I already knew and honestly didn't give a fuck about.. In order for him to actually "hit" Hidan he needs to get up close which is dangerous cause when he does all hidan needs to do is scratch him which would happen...

And once again all ^that doesn't matter cause HIDAN IS IMMORTAL HE CANNOT DIE, what part of IMMORTAL do you not understand...

You've got nothing at this point you lost this argument the moment you said..

GENNIN NEJI CAN BEAT HIDAN..

I love how you provide panels and shit to stuff I already knew and honestly didn't give a fuck about.. In order for him to actually "hit" Hidan he needs to get up close which is dangerous cause when he does all hidan needs to do is scratch him which would happen...

And once again all ^that doesn't matter cause HIDAN IS IMMORTAL HE CANNOT DIE, what part of IMMORTAL do you not understand...

You've got nothing at this point you lost this argument the moment you said..

GENNIN NEJI CAN BEAT HIDAN..

Of course u dont care because if u actaully knew what Nejis capable of u would have no reason to even argue for the fail that is Hidan!!

Lol, In every one of nejis fights he does run up at high speeds and kicks the crap out of his opponent so WTF manga r u reading??? In all those situations Nejis wasnt touched, grazed or even breathed on for crying out load so ur arguement fails before it even begins.

Also, if u did read all my post then u would understand why hidan cant even touch Neji before his chakra shuts off and no more ritual.

Here we go, so because hidans Immortal perse juuken will have no effect on him lol. BADUUUUUR, Hidans not INVINCIVLE, READ my other posts and u wouldnt have to look like an ass for argueing a point I already shat on!


Honestly by manga feats alone, Hidan=beat asuma with the help of kakuzu and asuma never beat anyone lol.

Neji as a genin=at least beat Kidomaru who other then Kimimarro was the strongest of the bunch, but was definatly the smartest. He was like shikamaru with a ever better kekei genkai, a summon and the CS. Not to mention how Kidomaru chumped the head of anbu and two other anbu on the way out of the village during the Oro invasion arc.


Genin nejis manga feats are better then hidans lol. Needing assistance to beat asuma the basic jounin isnt a big feat LMAO. U hyoe the shit out of hidan just because hes part of akatsuki, but hype is nothing but ur obvious misinformed Opinion as usual compared to my manga facts.

Lol, this is like religion vs science. I dont know why I continue to post facts when ur just going to sit there with ur Imaginary friend and tell me Im wrong.

EDIT: And guess what, u were right about sasukes MS genjutsu not being tsukuyomi, but that means u were wrong about tsukuyomi kicking even KBs ass since after rereading the jutsu is INSTANT. HA Haaaaaaaaa, now confer with ur Imaginary friend how I must be crazy just so I can show back up with the proof, u get mad kick ur cat and throw hot soup at ur grandma.

Of course u dont care because if u actaully knew what Nejis capable of u would have no reason to even argue for the fail that is Hidan!!

Lol, In every one of nejis fights he does run up at high speeds and kicks the crap out of his opponent so WTF manga r u reading??? In all those situations Nejis wasnt touched, grazed or even breathed on for crying out load so ur arguement fails before it even begins.

Also, if u did read all my post then u would understand why hidan cant even touch Neji before his chakra shuts off and no more ritual.

Here we go, so because hidans Immortal perse juuken will have no effect on him lol. BADUUUUUR, Hidans not INVINCIVLE, READ my other posts and u wouldnt have to look like an ass for argueing a point I already shat on!


Honestly by manga feats alone, Hidan=beat asuma with the help of kakuzu and asuma never beat anyone lol.

Neji as a genin=at least beat Kidomaru who other then Kimimarro was the strongest of the bunch, but was definatly the smartest. He was like shikamaru with a ever better kekei genkai, a summon and the CS. Not to mention how Kidomaru chumped the head of anbu and two other anbu on the way out of the village during the Oro invasion arc.


Genin nejis manga feats are better then hidans lol. Needing assistance to beat asuma the basic jounin isnt a big feat LMAO. U hyoe the shit out of hidan just because hes part of akatsuki, but hype is nothing but ur obvious misinformed Opinion as usual compared to my manga facts.

Lol, this is like religion vs science. I dont know why I continue to post facts when ur just going to sit there with ur Imaginary friend and tell me Im wrong.

EDIT: And guess what, u were right about sasukes MS genjutsu not being tsukuyomi, but that means u were wrong about tsukuyomi kicking even KBs ass since after rereading the jutsu is INSTANT. HA Haaaaaaaaa, now confer with ur Imaginary friend how I must be crazy just so I can show back up with the proof, u get mad kick ur cat and throw hot soup at ur grandma.

*sighs* no comment.

somebody commented about tenten vs hidan, i actually believe that tenten has better chances against hidan than neji has. simply because she fights at long range. surely she won't win because her art is not fail proof. but hers has better chances of longer survival and shredding hidan than neji's. neji's taijutsu mastery will kill him against hidan.anybody who doesn't have ranged capabilities and trapping skills would surely be deds against hidan.

somebody commented about tenten vs hidan, i actually believe that tenten has better chances against hidan than neji has. simply because she fights at long range. surely she won't win because her art is not fail proof. but hers has better chances of longer survival and shredding hidan than neji's. neji's taijutsu mastery will kill him against hidan.anybody who doesn't have ranged capabilities and trapping skills would surely be deds against hidan.

U do read naruto manag dontcha???

If so then u should know ten ten is fail as hell!!! Shes the hidan of team gai lol.

Plain and simple Hidan is crap compared to the rest of the akatsuki exept konan.

Someone just tell me how in the hell hidan would get past nejis own absolute defense?? Is neji magicly going to spit blood out of his chakra points of hidan can get some on his sythe?

With nejis defenses rivaling Gaaras and hidan being more likly to sctach, cut or hit sasuke or itachi because just like the SG, the byakugans vison coupled with BG's power to put up a barrier to sense attacks then react immediatly he attack quickly(like slowing down movements, but instead allowing on to react so fast it might as well of been slow). However, unlike the SG, the byakugan can see all around 359 degrees meaning no attack from any angles goingto get through. And because of thses FACTS I just dont see how in the hell yall think Hidan could win without being able to land a hit and having his chakra turned off then obliterated.

he doesn't need to get past it lmfaoo since he can't be killed cause he's immortal... he can relax and allow neji to use his chakra up then kill him lmfao...

U do read naruto manag dontcha???

If so then u should know ten ten is fail as hell!!! Shes the hidan of team gai lol.

Plain and simple Hidan is crap compared to the rest of the akatsuki exept konan.

Someone just tell me how in the hell hidan would get past nejis own absolute defense?? Is neji magicly going to spit blood out of his chakra points of hidan can get some on his sythe?

With nejis defenses rivaling Gaaras and hidan being more likly to sctach, cut or hit sasuke or itachi because just like the SG, the byakugans vison coupled with BG's power to put up a barrier to sense attacks then react immediatly he attack quickly(like slowing down movements, but instead allowing on to react so fast it might as well of been slow). However, unlike the SG, the byakugan can see all around 359 degrees meaning no attack from any angles goingto get through. And because of thses FACTS I just dont see how in the hell yall think Hidan could win without being able to land a hit and having his chakra turned off then obliterated.

i do read naruto manga. do you?

i definitely know that tenten fails harder than most. but if you even bothered digesting what i said in my post, i stated clearly that against hidan, she has better chances of longer survival than neji before ending up dead. simple because she fights at range. neji's defense wont do him good, it's not absolute defence and his offense would be null against hidan's immortality. neji's taijutsu only skill set will be his doom against hidan.

try to read between the lines on my post. somewhere there i said that you fail once again.

he doesn't need to get past it lmfaoo since he can't be killed cause he's immortal... he can relax and allow neji to use his chakra up then kill him lmfao...

Yea sure. Hidan gets his chakra system annihilated, cant move and is in just all kinds of pain before neji uses his gentle fist blast the body into shreads juukn strike like herehttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/195/15/
then the explosion from the inside outhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/195/16/

Then with hidan in pieces he cant do his ritual and will eventualy die as he did against shika so Ha haaaaaaaaaa, Hidan dies just like veryone else unless he can do his ritual often. However, Hidan cant do that if his chakra system is completely destroyed leaving him no chakra to perform his special ritual ninjutsu and especialy if hes in pieces after getting blown apart from the inside out lol.

Suck on thos manga facts buddy

i do read naruto manga. do you?

i definitely know that tenten fails harder than most. but if you even bothered digesting what i said in my post, i stated clearly that against hidan, she has better chances of longer survival than neji before ending up dead. simple because she fights at range. neji's defense wont do him good, it's not absolute defence and his offense would be null against hidan's immortality. neji's taijutsu only skill set will be his doom against hidan.

try to read between the lines on my post. somewhere there i said that you fail once again.

OMFG:confused::confused::confused:

Nejis defense is an absolute defense rivaling Gaaras
(read both pages)http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/195/16/
andhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/195/16/

Lol, like i said what manga are u reading where ten ten merely sitting back further makes her defense better then NEJIS ABSOLUTE DFENSE???

Again, Hidan only Immortal if he keeps sacraficing people with his ritual as stated in the Databook. However, when Neji destroys hidans chakra network he wont be able to use any chakra which means he wont be able to use his ninjutsu ritual lol. And if neji feels like it he can use his summons annihilating gentle fist strike to blow hidan apart from the inside out.

that was a spider -_- and it jumped on top of him and spider's can easily be squished with little force big deal he used chakra to pop a fucking balloon... he did the same thing to kisame remember and it had no affect lmao...

what manga facts were you talking about again? Hidan the immortal wins.

Yea sure. Hidan gets his chakra system annihilated, cant move and is in just all kinds of pain before neji uses his gentle fist blast the body into shreads juukn strike like herehttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/195/15/
then the explosion from the inside outhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/195/16/

Then with hidan in pieces he cant do his ritual and will eventualy die as he did against shika so Ha haaaaaaaaaa, Hidan dies just like veryone else unless he can do his ritual often. However, Hidan cant do that if his chakra system is completely destroyed leaving him no chakra to perform his special ritual ninjutsu and especialy if hes in pieces after getting blown apart from the inside out lol.

Suck on thos manga facts buddy



OMFG:confused::confused::confused:

Nejis defense is an absolute defense rivaling Gaaras
(read both pages)http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/195/16/
andhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/195/16/

Lol, like i said what manga are u reading where ten ten merely sitting back further makes her defense better then NEJIS ABSOLUTE DFENSE???

Again, Hidan only Immortal if he keeps sacraficing people with his ritual as stated in the Databook. However, when Neji destroys hidans chakra network he wont be able to use any chakra which means he wont be able to use his ninjutsu ritual lol. And if neji feels like it he can use his summons annihilating gentle fist strike to blow hidan apart from the inside out.

It doesn't matter what kind of deffence Neji has. At some point he's going to attack and Hidan won't dodge.And Neji will be surprised just like Asuma was thus providing an opening for Hidan. Just as Neji goes for the hit Hidan scratches him and game over. It's much more simple to hit something while you're not trying to dodge at the same time. And because Neji uses mostly taijutsu he's at a disadvantage. The more time he spends fighting Hidan the greater the risk of getting hit or scratched.

kid doesn't get that lmfaoo he won't dodge like with asuma and was he leans in hidan will take little scratch and game over.

that was a spider -_- and it jumped on top of him and spider's can easily be squished with little force big deal he used chakra to pop a fucking balloon... he did the same thing to kisame remember and it had no affect lmao...

LMFAOWROFLPMPKMARQH!!!!!!!!!

A giant spider summon can be blown up from the inside out with little force loolololololol, SPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP*thumbs down*

Another crazy ass statement yet Im the one being critcized:confused:

And that juuken hit isnt the same as the one that hit kisame. The one that hit kisame was his vacuum blast of chakra which is a distance attack unlike the one neji used on that giant spider summon.

And did u already froget that juuken hits can attack the organs, muscles and brain as well? Like neji did to that spider, he can concentrate alot of force into one hit (like the one that nearly killed hinata to the heart but with 100 times the force as seen up there^^^^)

Neji could even annihilate hidans brain from the inside out taking away all of senses (sight, touch, smell, hearing, taste) leaving him in his own Immortal hell. All with only one lightning fast hit!!!

Not being able to die unless he cant kill neji isnt Immortality, its just the basic law of nature. And Nejis the supirior animal on the food chain in this fight since hidan will never touch neji with his slow, clumsy head on taijutsu.

And Hidan wont be able to stop Neji from Blitzing him once hidans in his 8triagram range which as shown is about the same distance as hidans reach with his weapon.

Nejis range for high speed movemnets and juuken (see how it exstends out to the end of the entire panelhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/194/02/

An hidans range of attackhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/323/12/

With all this Myth wether u like neji or not, wether u want me to be wrong. Even u have to admit that hidans Immortaility and clumsy taijutsu arent going to beat Neji.


Rikudousenin:
It doesn't matter what kind of deffence Neji has. At some point he's going to attack and Hidan won't dodge.And Neji will be surprised just like Asuma was thus providing an opening for Hidan. Just as Neji goes for the hit Hidan scratches him and game over. It's much more simple to hit something while you're not trying to dodge at the same time. And because Neji uses mostly taijutsu he's at a disadvantage. The more time he spends fighting Hidan the greater the risk of getting hit or scratched.

Im sorry what????

Neji going to be magicly suprsied by hidans infirior taijutsu skills?? What in the world wouldve ever suggest such a thing??

Even after all the manga panles I posted of How amazing nejis Absolute defense is and what it takes to be able to get through it yall just just act like nejis going to retarted and all his skills and defense wont work which is rediculous.

Its because Nejis a Taijutsu master on a level that far surpasses Hidan and can use his speed to close the distance a rape hidans chakra points leaving him unable to do his ritual.

Lol, how can u compare asumas defenses to nejis?? Neji has the BG which can not only see any attack from all angle, but sense it as well. Ur suggesting hidan with his slow as sythe is going to suprise neji which is like saying naruto would get suprised by the speed of konahamarus attack or something.

Nejis abilites are on a whole other level from hidan exept ninjutsu (hidans ritual ninjutsu).

Once again there's no point in arguing.. Hidan>neji neji's style would kill him agaisnt someone like hidan nuff said.

Once again there's no point in arguing.. Hidan>neji neji's style would kill him agaisnt someone like hidan nuff said.

Of course theres no pint in arguing when ur so pathetic that u would make ur self believe a ginat spider summon could be squashed with alittle force because its soft just because ur so pig headed and cant accept being wrong, EVER.

Ive already proved with manga panels that neji can not only keep Hidan from landing an attack, but hit hidan with hsi attacks at high speeds in his barrier space of 8traigrams.

Kakashi with a body activation that increases his power and stamina 5 fold (which would also increase speed, strength, coordintaion ect alittle too but just big power up of chakra and stamina) Vs Jman (only 1 boss summon) in konaha forrest?

GO!!!

kyf, by only 1 boss summon do you mean he cant summon ma and pa? because if he can summon them both jman will def beat the hell out of kakashi fasho.

kyf, by only 1 boss summon do you mean he cant summon ma and pa? because if he can summon them both jman will def beat the hell out of kakashi fasho.

No, Jman can summon Ma and Pa to go into HM, but he can only summon 1 boss sumon like gamabunta, destroyer or that other green frog.

And since in this fight kakashi has a body activation that increases his chakra pool 5x (plus smaller increases in all other abilites as well) hes going to be able to compete on Jmans level without a doubt.

idk, i dont think kakashi would stand a chance if he went up against jiraiya in sage mode. i mean, kakashi would without a doubt be a challenge if his chakra is 5x, but i still think jman would win. kakashi went up against 1 pein and almost died (did die? kind of?...) but jman went up against all 6 paths of pein and died (:() so i think even if kakashi had 5x his normal chakra and added stamina and stuff, jman would still beat him.

Jiriaya would fucking make it rain on him all day... lmfaoo its no fucking contest...
Kyf that fight was kinda stupid no offense.. this something you'd like to argue i bet...

Sasuke mks basically all he's got (AND HE'S ABLE TO USE HIS BRAIN) Vs Kakuzu in the same place kakashi fought him...

he knows nothing about kakuzu of course since he's got no luxury of shika's plan, and he can't use kirin since the mks takes to much chakra so its either kirin or mks but mks is more beneficial for him.

Jiraiya would kill Kakashi with his hair, KYF.

The guy was shaking in his sandals when he tried to fight Orochimaru.

Kakuzu would steamroll Sasuke.

Kakuzu can use S-rank level of all 5 elements.

He would had a chance if he had his CS and Orochimaru powers. But with MS. Hell no.

Lol, like i said what manga are u reading where ten ten merely sitting back further makes her defense better then NEJIS ABSOLUTE DFENSE???




you are the one who is not reading properly.
i never said tenten's defence is better than neji's.
tenten would last longer than neji against hidan because she fights at a distance. neji fights up close, bringing the risk to be nicked by hidan for blood at an all time high. kaiten or 360 degree vision or no, his being close to hidan matters a lot.

jman vs kakashi 5xchakra
jman would still hand over kakashi his ass. it would be a tougher fight for jman, because at current chakra,kakashi was able to make 2 kamui. 5x would give him 10 kamui to dish out. but the effectivity of his ninjutsu's would be the same. while jman has hm, frog song with ma and pa, a boss summon, and swamp of the underworld. i call jiraiya 6-4 kakashi(@5x)

sasuke vs Kakuzu
kakuzu's elemental attacks are S-rank? they look like A-rank to me. but if those are S-rank, Sasuke would have harder time. MKS Sasuke has 3 eye techniques, 1 of them still incomplete. tsukuyomi would most likely fail if Kakuzu has an extra heart within him. the chakra hearts he will release doesn't have eyes so tsukuyomi is also useless against them. amaterasu,will be trouble, but as we have seen how gaara was able to deal with amaterasu, kakuzu has more chances to counter it since he has loads of Area effect elemental attacks to divert Amaterasu's focus. Susanoo would be a problem, Kakuzu is strong but not as strong as raikage to put a dent to Susanoo, but Sasuke's incomplete susanoo has an opening at the center. That opening will prove fatal to an elemental spammer especially since sasuke is a sitting duck inside susanoo.
Sasuke is able to use his brain in this battle so he will try using genjutsu on the go, not tsukuyomi as it depletes his chakra at an exponential rate. He would rely on taijutsu skills and chidori variants. Kakuzu can keep up for sure, he is at the most as fast as sasuke but surely slower. He has iron skin, but will have difficulty with the chidori variants. If sasuke is not Mangekyou whoring, he would just stick to taijutsu. but Kakuzu will surely dish out the masks. Making taijutsu hard to fight. If sasuke will use his brain here, he will last longer in this fight to find a better strategy in taking out the hearts. all his MKS techs would be null against Kakuzu. If only Sasuke would have another shot at CS then Kakuzu would surely fall. but as his current skill set against kakuzu's, he'll have a hard time. He must depend on his speed and chidori variants and still it would be hard against multiple body elemental spammer. Sasuke 6-4 Kakuzu. tough fight to call, sasuke would win by a hair.

its doesn't matter who will win over who because they will find the rival that have advantage of chakra nature against each other. The most important thing is they need to use their brain and guts to defeat the enemy stronger than them.

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jackacak, it doesn't matter if you post in this thread or not. you dont make sense anyway.

next fight,
Kabuto (during sannin 3way) vs Sai (current)

restrictions:
they fight at the cave where sasori and sakura + chiyo fought

go.

I think Jiraiya said that Kabuto was on the same skill level to that of Kakashi.

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-165/page015.html

Though, that was three years ago, but I'm sure Kakashi didn't develop that much (besides MS). Unless Sai is on Kakashi's general level (but I doubt that.)

I like Sai's skills though. He's pretty well rounded (like Yamato is). Sai has great recon skills and his long ranged ninjutsu is quite interesting. But going on implication, Sai shouldn't be able to win.

Jiriaya would fucking make it rain on him all day... lmfaoo its no fucking contest...
Kyf that fight was kinda stupid no offense.. this something you'd like to argue i bet...

Sasuke mks basically all he's got (AND HE'S ABLE TO USE HIS BRAIN) Vs Kakuzu in the same place kakashi fought him...
Lol, Kakashi is already a senin just with such a low chakra level he cant fight very long (proved because fresh kakashi took on hidan and kakuzu at the same time, but after a couple minutes of hard fighting he just went down hill).

Kakashi with a 5x chakra pool (meaning larger then even base narutos) means more speed, more KBs, More raikage bushins, stronger SG genjutsu and best of all Kamui spamming!!!

We all know how great of a shinobi kakashi is exept his chakra pool is just too damn low. However, with 5x the chakra kakashis going to be able to last longer then a base naruto.

To start off kakashi knows Jman and his jutsu so kakashi being a brilliant strategist is going to know how to counter them. Kakashi can just sit back and throw bushins at Jman while using genjutsu and other ninjutsu as well. And since kakashis SG will be super charged with 5x the normal chakra Jmans attacks (hair spikes, mud swamp, fire jutsu) arent going to work because kakashi can use his SG to read the hand sings, then use his 5x chakra for a even faster shushin (most likly sasukes speed or even faster) to escape.

Frog stomache wont work because kakashi can use raiton to tare out of there. The only trouble for kakashi will be Jman in HM because kakashi cant hide when Ma na Pa can sense him.


However, even in HM Jman cant defend against 5x size kamui because once kakashi sees that huge chakra supply hes going to pull out his big guns as well.

IMO, the fight could go either way, but because kakashi can just spam kamui then hes definatly getting the advantage.

he knows nothing about kakuzu of course since he's got no luxury of shika's plan, and he can't use kirin since the mks takes to much chakra so its either kirin or mks but mks is more beneficial for him.

Sasuke can use kirin if he wants, not that he would need to but still. Kakuzus lack of speed and the fact that ninjutsus are useless against a true SG user makes this not much of a fight.

Jiraiya would kill Kakashi with his hair, KYF.

The guy was shaking in his sandals when he tried to fight Orochimaru.

Kakuzu would steamroll Sasuke.

Kakuzu can use S-rank level of all 5 elements.

He would had a chance if he had his CS and Orochimaru powers. But with MS. Hell no.

Lol, Kakashi with 5x the chakra pool could and most likly would beat Jman HM or not Simply because kakashis always had the tools and intelligence to beat shinobi at Jmans level, but just never the chakra UNTIL NOW.

Dont get me wrong it would be a heck of a fight, but if kakashi even for a second gets in trouble. He can just send Jman to another deminsion in a blink of an eye.


Im sorry, but did u suggest mere kakauzu would actually beat sasuke??

Lol, Sasuke would wipe his ass with kakuzu even without genjutsu. Kakauzus slower then kakashi so sasuke would utterly rape him with chidori blitzes. And even though kakuzu can attack 5 on 1, sasukes SG and speed can easily anticipate, dodge then counter.

And if even necassary and perhaps sasuke sees danzou on the horizon. Sasuke could just set all of them on fire with amaterasu and go on about his buisness lol.

Kakuzus too slow and thanks to sasanoo (even though sasuke most likly wont need it) kakuzus attacks wont do crap while sasuke can just strike them all down while the fruitlessly attack an sasanoo untouchable sasukes lol.

you are the one who is not reading properly.
i never said tenten's defence is better than neji's.
tenten would last longer than neji against hidan because she fights at a distance. neji fights up close, bringing the risk to be nicked by hidan for blood at an all time high. kaiten or 360 degree vision or no, his being close to hidan matters a lot.

jman vs kakashi 5xchakra
jman would still hand over kakashi his ass. it would be a tougher fight for jman, because at current chakra,kakashi was able to make 2 kamui. 5x would give him 10 kamui to dish out. but the effectivity of his ninjutsu's would be the same. while jman has hm, frog song with ma and pa, a boss summon, and swamp of the underworld. i call jiraiya 6-4 kakashi(@5x)

sasuke vs Kakuzu
kakuzu's elemental attacks are S-rank? they look like A-rank to me. but if those are S-rank, Sasuke would have harder time. MKS Sasuke has 3 eye techniques, 1 of them still incomplete. tsukuyomi would most likely fail if Kakuzu has an extra heart within him. the chakra hearts he will release doesn't have eyes so tsukuyomi is also useless against them. amaterasu,will be trouble, but as we have seen how gaara was able to deal with amaterasu, kakuzu has more chances to counter it since he has loads of Area effect elemental attacks to divert Amaterasu's focus. Susanoo would be a problem, Kakuzu is strong but not as strong as raikage to put a dent to Susanoo, but Sasuke's incomplete susanoo has an opening at the center. That opening will prove fatal to an elemental spammer especially since sasuke is a sitting duck inside susanoo.
Sasuke is able to use his brain in this battle so he will try using genjutsu on the go, not tsukuyomi as it depletes his chakra at an exponential rate. He would rely on taijutsu skills and chidori variants. Kakuzu can keep up for sure, he is at the most as fast as sasuke but surely slower. He has iron skin, but will have difficulty with the chidori variants. If sasuke is not Mangekyou whoring, he would just stick to taijutsu. but Kakuzu will surely dish out the masks. Making taijutsu hard to fight. If sasuke will use his brain here, he will last longer in this fight to find a better strategy in taking out the hearts. all his MKS techs would be null against Kakuzu. If only Sasuke would have another shot at CS then Kakuzu would surely fall. but as his current skill set against kakuzu's, he'll have a hard time. He must depend on his speed and chidori variants and still it would be hard against multiple body elemental spammer. Sasuke 6-4 Kakuzu. tough fight to call, sasuke would win by a hair.

U suggested ten tens denfense of just keeping her distance when hidan can just blitz her slow ass is a better defense then Nejis which is crazy.


And how do u suppose Jman escapes 5x chakra SG genjutsu? How does Jman escape when he attacks a raiton bushin and gets stunned, left a sitting duck for the chidori comming at high speeds behind him.

Btter yet, how in the hell would Jman survive 1 kamui much less 10?? That make no sense dude? Thats the one jutsu which there is no defense for exept to run for ur life.


And sasuke vs kakuzu is a joke because hes just a bunch of ninjutsu yet sasuke has never been hit by a ninjutsu the entire series, only taijutsu. Not to mention since kakashis faster then kakuzu sasuke would be the raikage to him in speed difference lol.

I think Jiraiya said that Kabuto was on the same skill level to that of Kakashi.

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-165/page015.html

Though, that was three years ago, but I'm sure Kakashi didn't develop that much (besides MS). Unless Sai is on Kakashi's general level (but I doubt that.)

I like Sai's skills though. He's pretty well rounded (like Yamato is). Sai has great recon skills and his long ranged ninjutsu is quite interesting. But going on implication, Sai shouldn't be able to win.

Sai would do pretty good IMO, but would eventually lose to kabutos food pill, scapple nin-taijutsu IMO.

Also, kabuto is in a way as skilled, powerful a shinobi as he.

1. Kakashi though kabuto was a failed genin. Kabuto had the element of suprise which allowed him to fake out kakashi and escape.

2. More proof kakashi wasnt even taking him serious, by his statement about fighting adults (thinks as him as just a kid obviously)http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-089/page005.html, but doesnt even have his SG out which is a clear sign kakashi wasnt serious at all.http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-088/page019.html

3. Even though kabuto escape kakashi was chumping him the entire timehttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-089/page006.html
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TBH, I have no idea who'd win that. We have a very good idea of how much Kabuto is capable of. But we really have not seen anything close to the extent of Sai's abilities. Considering the kind of crap we've seen other Root members be capable of, I think it's fair to say that Sai is much more potent a fighter than we've seen so far.

my take on Sai vs Kabuto

Sai is a versatile fighter, being in anbu,surely he's capable of decent taijutsu, and his long ranged skills are effective to say the least. kabuto is a medical ninja, meaning he is agile. and his attack arsenal are completely taijutsu, meaning melee range. he hasn't shown much speed feats, but i don't think he is capable of catching sai when sai becomes airborne, the main reason why i put restrictions on the battlefield. inside a cave, sai cannot fly so high making him unreachable to kabuto. and there is no hiding place inside that cave,.the range advantage of sai would be limited to how fast he is able to maneuver before being cornered by kabuto. having decent taijutsu or not, if kabuto reaches sai, he is in trouble, because of the reverse medical jutsu of kabuto which makes one momentarily loses control of limbs. kabuto was said to be at par with kakashi in P1. and being orochimaru's hand, he is no pushover. but sai isn't also, being a trusted root of danzou. hard to predict indeed, but given the limit on the range of sai's battleground makes him lose the battle. sai 3-7 kabuto. kabuto wins.

Hey new user, but long time reader, yeah i know all about myth and flash flame wars, yeah

so i was playing Naruto Arena and a real nice battle showed up:

My team:
Neji (pre-time skip)
Kimimaro
Itachi

Vs

Naruto (Beginning of Shippuden)
Sasuke (end of part one)
Gaara (the time when he fought kimimaro).

Hey new user, but long time reader, yeah i know all about myth and flash flame wars, yeah

so i was playing Naruto Arena and a real nice battle showed up:

My team:
Neji (pre-time skip)
Kimimaro
Itachi

Vs

Naruto (Beginning of Shippuden)
Sasuke (end of part one)
Gaara (the time when he fought kimimaro).

Itachi pwns all three while neji and Kimi play cards.


How about Kidomaru vs Asuma??

Itachi pwns all three while neji and Kimi play cards.


How about Kidomaru vs Asuma??


As much as i like Asuma he is a close range fighter, from what we have seen, his technique that has greater reach is the Ash Cloud.

Kidoumaru hides and shots arrows from far.

If he has no place to hide he summons the spiders to keep Asuma Busy while he prepares the arrow.

Kidomaru always wins in this battle.

How about...

Itachi Vs Killerbee

As much as i like Asuma he is a close range fighter, from what we have seen, his technique that has greater reach is the Ash Cloud.

Kidoumaru hides and shots arrows from far.

If he has no place to hide he summons the spiders to keep Asuma Busy while he prepares the arrow.

Kidomaru always wins in this battle.

How about...

Itachi Vs Killerbee

Yea, I could definatly see kidomaru winning because not only his ability to fight long distanc and pick his enemies apart, but he can use his web goop to make a cast to protect his body from asumas wind knife attacks.

Itachi vs KB is a taboo subject lol just because of the whole genjutsu doesnt work on KB because his bijuu can break him out which was proven when sasukes tsukuyomi was broken.

HOWEVER, after reveiwing sasukes tsukuyomi it became obvious its not the same as itachis. Sasukes while instantly effecting the opponent by paralysing them doesnt defeat in an instant through T/S manipulation like itachi does in his tsukuyomi.

Notice how KB is fully conscious of his paralysis in the outside world while still in Tsukuyomi meaning all sasukes tsukuyomi does is paralyse, not torture and drain the spirit of the opponent like itachi does.http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-413/page009.html

Now read what how kakashi explains itachis tsukuyomihttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-257/page007.html

And itachi even explains his use of tsukuyomihttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-142/page017.html
More explanationhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-142/page018.html

So, obviously theres a big difference between sasuke tsukuyomi and itachis because sasukes only paralyses, while itachis destroyes the spirit and can leave one in a coma or even dead.

So, with this obvious difference and KB showing Tsukuyomis effects can effect him even with his bijuu there (KB was paralysed so it worked until the hachibi snapped him out). However, itachis tsukuyomi destroys the spirit and would leave KB Comatosed or worse in which the hachinis power would count for nothing.

So, Amaterasu and tsukuyomi would end the fight, but regular gen is a no. And with itachis SG plus speed, Even KBs tailed form attacks can be dodged because he moves in a straight line.

So basicly itachi can either beat KB with a genjutsu taijutsu combo when hes in base mode like he does everyone else or he can use tsukuyomi or amaterasu once KBs in tailed forms.

Or itachi breaks down coughing up blood because at this moment coincidently his sickness takes a turn for the worse so KB blitzes him while coughing up blood lol.

Bee stands no chance. Altough he has bijuu, itachi's tsukuyomi is an instant 3 days torture. In order for the Bijuu to cancel the tsukuyomi he has to be aware... and it takes him some time to cancel... Itachi's tsukuyomi will destroy bee's mind in less then a second...

This fight lasts even less then the one with Kisame...

Ok... dead thread for a while.

Tenten
Ino
Chouji
Kiba

Vs

Neji
Konohamaru

Ok... dead thread for a while.

Tenten
Ino
Chouji
Kiba

Vs

Neji
Konohamaru

Konahamaru beat a pain realm on his own so he should be able to solo ten ten and Ino. And since konhamaru uses KBs, Inos mind transfer would fail because using it on a bushin leaves her wide open for a rasengan lol.

And since Kiba has shown no Improvement since part 1 and choujis just a brainless brute neji should be able to solo both no problem.

Especialy since Kiba and chouji are close combat shinobi and none of their fail jutsu will get through nejis absolute defense.

Asuma would merc the shit out of Kidoumaru, if he couldn't defeat a genin Neji he'd stand no fucking chance against Asuma lmao.

Let me see, Kurenai (before she got hit with knocked up no jutsu of course) vs. Anko!

Bee stands no chance. Altough he has bijuu, itachi's tsukuyomi is an instant 3 days torture. In order for the Bijuu to cancel the tsukuyomi he has to be aware... and it takes him some time to cancel... Itachi's tsukuyomi will destroy bee's mind in less then a second...

This fight lasts even less then the one with Kisame...

In REALITY Tsukiyomi only lasts for about a second, in the Tsu realm, it lasts for 3 days, endless torture for 72 hours straight. And everytime we've seen Tsu active, (as Myth has previously stated) the person casting the Tsu was always within the jutsu as well, and I'm sure if the sky suddenly turns blood red and clouds start shifting irregularly, the Bijuu will know. Bijuu's aren't retarded, they should know if they're in a genjutsu (they SHOULD anyway). Plus I'm sure that all of that fucking chakra a Bijuu has can easily break out of Tsu, even if it is supposed to be the strongest genjutsu, I mean come on, you have to interrupt the one person's flow of chakra in order for them to snap the hell out of it, and if a Bijuu can't break the host out of the genjutsu, NOTHING else will.

massive amout of bijuu chakra is enough to dispell most powerful genjutsu, but the host must know when they are trapped in genjutsu. The most problematic is sasuke's susanoo seems very powerful and effective defend. at the same time also he can do attacking mode. i wonder how naruto will break through susanoo in order to defeat sasuke.
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massive amout of bijuu chakra is enough to dispell most powerful genjutsu, but the host must know when they are trapped in genjutsu. The most problematic is sasuke's susanoo seems very powerful and effective defend. at the same time also he can do attacking mode. i wonder how naruto will break through susanoo in order to defeat sasuke.
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Why is it that none of your posts make sense?

what do u mean?

what do u mean?
^he means exactly what he told you, none of your posts in the versus thread make sense.

Neji (pre-time skip)
Kimimaro
Itachi

Vs

Naruto (Beginning of Shippuden)
Sasuke (end of part one)
Gaara (the time when he fought kimimaro).

the team with itachi wins. Gaara and would win against kimimaru but would be decimated by itachi. sasuke even at part 2 was beat by itachi. naruto at beginning of shippuuden is weak compared to now. even if they triple tag team itachi, with the abilities they have during said time, they won't stand a chance against itachi even if he's alone. neji is not needed here as he is not at par with these 5.

Kidomaru vs Asuma
kidoumaru has long range, pinpoint attacks. asuma has melee range sharp attacks with fire jutsus up his sleeves. depending on the battlefield either may win. if they fight at open space with no obstacles,such as trees, Asuma takes the fight with ease. he has very sharp fuuton infused weapons which could cut the gooey web of kidoumaru. but if they fight at a forest, asuma would have a slimmer chance of winning than neji has against kidoumaru. surely he is jounin while neji was genin back then, and asuma at that time was more skilled surely than neji. but he lacks the byakugan to somehow predict the blind attacks of kidoumaru.
open space: asuma 10-0 kidoumaru
forest: asuma 4-6 kidoumaru

Itachi Vs Killerbee
killerbee knows how to flee amaterasu, he was able to avoid sasuke's tsukiyomi, the only problem he has is with itachi's susanoo.a full powered kirin was nulled by susanoo, how will killa B's bijuu canon fare against it? taijutsu wise, i'd give killa B the slight advantage because he is definitely faster and he has swords as weapon. genjutsu won't be a factor in this fight. ninjutsu, itachi has more advantage. but with killa B's fighting style, he would surely try to make the fight at melee range as possible. i give the slight advantage to Killa B in winning this fight. Killer B 6-4 Itachi.

Kurenai (before she got hit with knocked up no jutsu of course) vs. Anko

i forgot their skills honestly. kurenai can cast multiple genjutsu i believe? but it won't matter. Anko has cursed seal, Anko will win this fight. Genjutsu i think would be ineffective to shinobi's with cursed seal the same way as bijuus are to jinchurikis. Sasuke was able to overcome Itachi's tsukiyomi not solely by his sharingan, but also with the help of the cursed seal. so maybe, anko's cursed seal will also do the same trick for her against kurenai. Anko wins. and besides, she is hotter than kurenai.
Anko 7-3 Kurenai.

Trust me, Kidoumaru may put a couple of hits on Asuma and that's it, while his perception might not be as amazing as Neji's, he's still a top jounin for a reason. Son of the third, makes him badass.

i'm not doubting asuma's abilities in any way. he is bad-ass in my opinion, the most manly character in this manga because he smokes and has a beard. he is also the son of the 3rd hokage, a member of the guardians something for the daimyo, his bounty is even more than the bounty of the baldy monk. i even said if the battlefield is an open space, surely asuma would dominate. but if the battlefield is in a forest, kidumarou has clearer advantage. asuma has slim chances of winning in that battlefield against kidoumaru who attacks from afar and conceals himself effectively.

i have two new ones:

1. naruto vs zabuza

restrictions: no sm or kyubbi (current naruto)
they no nothing about each other
no PnJ

I'd have to go with zabuza on this one. After he uses the mist + water clones id would be hard for naruto. of course it would hard for zabuza since naruto would probably use TKB but i still think zabuza would prevail

2. This is for those who think that current sasuke < (healthy) itachi and current sasuke < naruto:

Naruto vs Itachi
No PnJ
Itachi has the sword and mirror

edit: just to add, sakura is flailing nearby if naruto goes kyuubi and kills sakura it counts as his loss :P (or if any of his other jutsus kills sakura)

P.S. If #2 was already discussed (i think it is likely that it was) feel free to ignore it

P.P.S.

3. Lee vs Haku:

Lee has gates (doesnt start with it of course) and starts without weights

i'm not doubting asuma's abilities in any way. he is bad-ass in my opinion, the most manly character in this manga because he smokes and has a beard. he is also the son of the 3rd hokage, a member of the guardians something for the daimyo, his bounty is even more than the bounty of the baldy monk. i even said if the battlefield is an open space, surely asuma would dominate. but if the battlefield is in a forest, kidumarou has clearer advantage. asuma has slim chances of winning in that battlefield against kidoumaru who attacks from afar and conceals himself effectively.

That's only if Asuma's perception skills are horrible, I'm in no way saying that Asuma's perception skills are on the same level as Neji's but come on dude. The fact that Asuma can actually use ninjutsu to deflect shit would make him not getting hit that much better. I can understand what you're saying but even in those settings I have a hard time believe Asuma wouldn't win in both settings.

naruto vs zabuza

naruto for sure. hes the main character. jk haha. but i still think naruto would win. he's got rasengan now, which when they first met he didnt. and rasengan is badass for naruto i guess haha.

Naruto would lay suppressive fire on Zabuza.lol

(All Direction Shuriken, 2000 hit combo.lol)

Naruto's body moves well in battle now (did great to counter the Cloud Jounin, as well as put the smack down on God Realm towards the end when Naruto wasn't in Sage Mode and when the Rasengan landed smack into God Realm's gut).

From the training session with Kakashi (Naruto kept up pretty well). All and all, Naruto would take it to Zabuza. Where as Zabuza was pinned by hounds Naruto would have him pinned by shadow clones. Where as Kakashi was about to end it all with the Raikiri, Naruto would end it with the Rasengan

In REALITY Tsukiyomi only lasts for about a second, in the Tsu realm, it lasts for 3 days, endless torture for 72 hours straight. And everytime we've seen Tsu active, (as Myth has previously stated) the person casting the Tsu was always within the jutsu as well, and I'm sure if the sky suddenly turns blood red and clouds start shifting irregularly, the Bijuu will know. Bijuu's aren't retarded, they should know if they're in a genjutsu (they SHOULD anyway). Plus I'm sure that all of that fucking chakra a Bijuu has can easily break out of Tsu, even if it is supposed to be the strongest genjutsu, I mean come on, you have to interrupt the one person's flow of chakra in order for them to snap the hell out of it, and if a Bijuu can't break the host out of the genjutsu, NOTHING else will.


@bolded. That's assuming the bijuu is also caught in tsukiyomi. What if the host is caught in the jutsu and the bijuu is unaware. After minato pooped up he was able to transport naruto's inner self to a different part of his mind. Seeing as Tsukiyomi has the ability to control time and space within the illusion it could be possible to move the hosts mind to a separate area and attack it for 72 hours straight while the bijuu whose not caught in the jutsu will perceive it in real time. After that happens the bijuu can't undo the physiological trauma that's been done.

Also in naruto's case sasuke was able to enter his mind. So I wonder what would happen if he entered it now and used tsukiyomi directly on naruto's inner self. LMAO!!!



@ jackacak. If your wondering why people say you don't make sense it's because you talk about things that in no way relate to the topic or discussion. For example.

massive amout of bijuu chakra is enough to dispell most powerful genjutsu, but the host must know when they are trapped in genjutsu.

This part of your response made sense.


The most problematic is sasuke's susanoo seems very powerful and effective defend. at the same time also he can do attacking mode. i wonder how naruto will break through susanoo in order to defeat sasuke.
http://naruto-niichan7.blogspot.com

This did not. The way you jumped from one subject to another like that is what's confusing people.


Anyway. As for Asuma Vs. Kidomaru.

Asuma has a huge advantge. First of all spider summons would get annihilated by his fire techs. His spider swarm wouldn't stand a chance against the Ash technique he used against hidan.

Second he has wind nature. His knuckle blades could go through trees, and he said he could have went through that boulder if he didn't hold back!!! He may have some trouble locating kidomaru, but when he does he'll have no trouble hitting him. The only thing that might cause him trouble is his web tech.

Thirdly Asuma isn't just strong, he's also pretty fast. During the konoha invasion arc he took out all those ninja shikamaru had trapped in like 5 seconds. He took out 2 before they realized he had moved. So it's not like he's some slow guy who would be strolling through the forest looking for his opponent.

Bottom line he would find Kidomaru fast and deal with him fast.

Asuma 8-2 Kidomaru

Asuma vs KidoMaru?

Asuma couldnt stop hidan from hitting him which shika did so asumas taijutsu or defense sint anything special meanwhile Kido was able to hit neji at will after analyticly and intelligently figuring out nejis blind spot then froming the perfect strategy to take advantage of it. Lol, Kidomaru would pick asuma apart from a distance at will after studying him alittle and figuring out the perfect strategy to win. Like I said, Kidomaruto is shikamaru with a better kekei genkai, CS powers and a giant spider summon.

Itachi vs KB?

i proved itachis tsukuyomi is different from sasukes whos attacks the body (paralysing only) while itachis attacks the spirit and leaves the opponent comatosed or worse which cant be snapped out of by any bijuu only a medical ninja of tsunades calibre.

And itachis tsukuyomis effects (spirit destruction) is instant so once u look into ur eyes ur already beaten. And since the hachibi doesnt share a mind or spirit with the hachibi theres not a damn thing he can do about it lol. Tsukuyomi from itachi=instawin unless u have a huge huge chakra pool and a mastered SG or another MS.

ANd amaterasu is another instant jutsu as well. It ignites on w/e the user is focusing on including KB if hes in itachis FOV (felid of vision).

So, eother amaterasu or tsukuyomi would beat KB................

Naruto vs zabuza?
no SM or kyuubi powers.

Naruto at base is at least Jounin level in skill, but his speed is pathetic which could very well be his down fall in a fight weith some who can use bushins as well as kakashi and has a jutsu that can take out naruto without naruto even seeing it comming.

If naruto can manage to survive zabuzas mist stealth jutsu, water dragons and water prison then he will win. But zabuza easily use his Mist jutsu to counter naruto multie shadow clone jutsu since his clones wouldnt be able to to do anything to zabuza while zabuza can do as he likes and possible tale out the real naruto while whipping out KBs and wearing naruto down.

Naruto Vs itachi?

Naruto in base lasts a whole couple seconds without itachi even trying. Naruto in SM should last at least double that lol. Naruto goes into SM and mangaes to break out of itachi SG genjutsu then attack with 2 other KBs with ultimate rasengans, but itachi is merely a karasu bushin and disperses flying all around naruto and his bushins then uses his high speed to appear right infront of naruto, look in his eyes and tsukuyomi his ass (itachi found the real naruto out of hundreadsin the forrest so out of 2 would be a piece of cake lol)

Itachi wins again.

Naruto's speed isn't pathetic. He can get around. Of course he's no Raikage, but he's not like Gaara (who hardly moves his feet at all) either. Naruto got a good pair of legs on him, so he should be able to move it when he has to. Plus, he has shadow clones, he doesn't have to be lightning fast. In base Naruto still has Mass shadow clones, Rasengan, and Oodama Rasengan. He can still spring some interesting traps.

Itachi wouldn't rape Naruto.lol Even though Itachi was holding Sasuke's hand throughout the fight, Sasuke put up a decent fight. It wasn't easy for Itachi not to go a little hard on him. If the new Naruto is leagues better than the old Sasuke (considering he didn't have Susanoo, Amaterasu, and Tsukuyomi and the feats from Orochimaru aren't anything in comparison to the Kyuubi and Sage Mode) Naruto would actually fair pretty well against Itachi. Not saying Naruto would win, because we've never seen Itachi's full strength, but Naruto would still put up a good fight.

If Jiraiya is hinted to be able to put up a good fight against Itachi, surely Naruto can now, with the additon of Sage Mode which allows Frog Katas, Senjutsu, and not to mention mid-ranged Rasen Shuriken. Genjutsu is also enhanced because of Sage Mode. And Naruto was able to disrupt Itachi's genjutsu to a point. With the Sage Chakra boost, it isn't irrational to say he has a stronger defense against it than before. Naruto also knows about the eye thing and how to fight an Uchiha.

And no, Itachi's sharingan can't disquish between shadow clones. It is implied that Itachi found a shadow clone and imparted the crow down its throat. Considering that the shadow clones uses memory absorbtion characteristics, once that shadow clone is dispersed, Naruto recieves the power, as in case with the natural energy being channelled and then drawn into Naruto once the shadow clone is dispersed.

Itachi couldn't tell Kakashi was a shadow clone until he realized his genjutsu wasn't working on him, thus he came to the conclusion that he wasn't the real one....

Neji failed hard against Kidamaru because he's only close range... as kakashi said thats an automatic disadvantage... Asuma can fight close to mid range and long range... that right there says who wins

edit:

ITACHI HIMSELF STATES THAT HE CANNOT SEE A SHAODW CLONE FROM THE REAL THING THIS ISN'T THE FUCKING ANIME PEOPLE SHOULD STOP SAYING SHIT THAT WAS ANIME BASED THOUGH IM PRETTY SURE WHICH FAIL IS SAYING THIS...

in the manga non of the eyes can see real from fake...

Naruto's speed isn't pathetic. He can get around. Of course he's no Raikage, but he's not like Gaara (who hardly moves his feet at all) either. Naruto got a good pair of legs on him, so he should be able to move it when he has to. Plus, he has shadow clones, he doesn't have to be lightning fast. In base Naruto still has Mass shadow clones, Rasengan, and Oodama Rasengan. He can still spring some interesting traps.

Compared to kakashi, asuma, zabuza or anyother jounin Ive seen actually fight he is. Naruto at base is only alittle faster then shikamaru so that speaks for itself.

And yes naruto can use his KBs plus certain tactics to make up for his lack of speed. However, zabuza has clones, those same tactics, but high speed like kakashis which puts naruto at a disdavatge in close combat and since zabuza has long distance suiton attacks naruto is at a disdavantage their as well IMO.

Itachi wouldn't rape Naruto.lol Even though Itachi was holding Sasuke's hand throughout the fight, Sasuke put up a decent fight. It wasn't easy for Itachi not to go a little hard on him. If the new Naruto is leagues better than the old Sasuke (considering he didn't have Susanoo, Amaterasu, and Tsukuyomi and the feats from Orochimaru aren't anything in comparison to the Kyuubi and Sage Mode) Naruto would actually fair pretty well against Itachi. Not saying Naruto would win, because we've never seen Itachi's full strength, but Naruto would still put up a good fight.

WHat do u mean leagues better?? The only thing different about sasuke from then is he traded in Oro hax for MS hax and the mind rape plus that dark entity is making sasuke less calm, collected and thinking like he was against itachi.
And although itachi was merely trying to wear sasuke down. Having to hold back got itachis ass kicked, but shurikan, fire balls and almost killed by Kirin so itachi wasnt holding back and winning, he was holding back and losing lol.

Mind u sasuke didnt have a MS so fo course he wasnt going to be able to beat itachi if itachi had actaully wanted sasuke dead.

And what ur forgeting is that itachi knows narutos weaknesses and although basic SG genjutsu probably wouldnt do as good as it did against base naruto. Itachi can use his SG genjutsu in combination with his taijutsu so while narutos trying to fight his way out of a genjutsu, itachis blitzing him and pumeling him with his high level taijutsu.

I just dont see how huge brute strength, larger rasengans, the FRS and a barrier of NE as a 4 inch reach is going to fare any better against itachis defense with his SG/very high speed.

If Jiraiya is hinted to be able to put up a good fight against Itachi, surely Naruto can now, with the additon of Sage Mode which allows Frog Katas, Senjutsu, and not to mention mid-ranged Rasen Shuriken. Genjutsu is also enhanced because of Sage Mode. And Naruto was able to disrupt Itachi's genjutsu to a point. With the Sage Chakra boost, it isn't irrational to say he has a stronger defense against it than before. Naruto also knows about the eye thing and how to fight an Uchiha.

WHat do u mean hinted? Itachi would murder Jman. Lol, itachi beat Oro in 3 seconds flat after Oro sneak attacked itachi from behind yet Jman cant beat Oro face to face in a fair fight so how is Jman supposed to stand a chance against Itachi? Just asking.

And senjutsu increases genjutsu, but naruto has NONE. It didnt say genjutsu defense lol. Naruto vs a 30% itachi clones mere finger genjutsu couldnt break out even though his chakra was basicly 10x that of the caster proving a huge upsurge of chakra isnt enough to beat strong genjutsu (itachi had a samller chakra pool then kakashi who was 1/4 naruto yet 30% of itachi is about 1/4 kakashi so do the math). It takes skill, not jutsu power which naruto doesnt have.

And no, Itachi's sharingan can't disquish between shadow clones. It is implied that Itachi found a shadow clone and imparted the crow down its throat. Considering that the shadow clones uses memory absorbtion characteristics, once that shadow clone is dispersed, Naruto recieves the power, as in case with the natural energy being channelled and then drawn into Naruto once the shadow clone is dispersed.

Lol, kakashi found the real naruto out of hundreads and thats all that counts proving itachis SG could tell the difference which leaves possibility for sasukes as well.

Itachi couldn't tell Kakashi was a shadow clone until he realized his genjutsu wasn't working on him, thus he came to the conclusion that he wasn't the real one....

A 30% itachi clones SG<<<100% itachis SG!!! Itachi couldnt even use the MS so why use a clone of itachis failure to discredit the real itachis feat of finding the real naruto?

EDIT: ITACHI found the real naruto so IDC what itachi said because actions>>>>>>>>words all day everyday and itachi found the REAL naruto out of HUNDREADS!!!

Compared to kakashi, asuma, zabuza or anyother jounin Ive seen actually fight he is. Naruto at base is only alittle faster then shikamaru so that speaks for itself.

Naruto moves well for a high leveled shinobi. He was able to keep up with Kakuzu throughout the fight. Why do you think Naruto's a slow poke? Naruto also kept up with Pain. Naruto isn't slow. And Shikamaru's body isn't optimized for quick reflexes in combat, he uses his whit and the allies to set up strategies to take down tough opponents. Naruto, like Sasuke can stand alone in battle. Thus, he has a good body for moving.

And yes naruto can use his KBs plus certain tactics to make up for his lack of speed. However, zabuza has clones, those same tactics, but high speed like kakashis which puts naruto at a disdavatge in close combat and since zabuza has long distance suiton attacks naruto is at a disdavantage their as well IMO.

Naruto's shadow clones set up a lot of his offensive. They can fight from long range while the real Naruto plans a counter. Shadow clones aren't limited to close range. Shadow clones can be thrown with Rasengan too. Naruto isn't at a disadvantage here. Also, who is to say Zabuza can create a body of water to fight anyway? Against Kakashi the lake was already there, thus all they had to use was shape manipulation. Zabuza isn't Kisame, who can instantly recompose large bodies of water due to his chakra source.

WHat do u mean hinted? Itachi would murder Jman. Lol, itachi beat Oro in 3 seconds flat after Oro sneak attacked itachi from behind yet Jman cant beat Oro face to face in a fair fight so how is Jman supposed to stand a chance against Itachi? Just asking.

Orochimaru used a jutsu that didn't work well on the sharingan. Yes, Itachi would have beat Orochimaru anyway, but Orochimaru didn't have the chance to show off his potential against Itachi. Jiraiya is agruablly better than Orochimaru. Honestly, why give Jiraiya a badass opponent to show off what he's capable of and then assume he's weaker than Orochimaru, who got sharinganed? Orochimaru's jutsu was reversed on him, none of Jiraiya's techniques can be reversed or, suppressed by the sharingan. Not saying Jiriaya would win, but he'd put up a decent fight.

And senjutsu increases genjutsu, but naruto has NONE. It didnt say genjutsu defense lol. Naruto vs a 30% itachi clones mere finger genjutsu couldnt break out even though his chakra was basicly 10x that of the caster proving a huge upsurge of chakra isnt enough to beat strong genjutsu (itachi had a samller chakra pool then kakashi who was 1/4 naruto yet 30% of itachi is about 1/4 kakashi so do the math). It takes skill, not jutsu power which naruto doesnt have.

It's implied if you take in to effect that Sage Chakra is a lot more powerful than regular chakra. In order to break genjutsu, the shinobi must break their chakra irregular chakra flow, in order to do that, would be to overflow that corrupted channel with an even stronger chakra force. Sage Chakra is really powerful, who is to say it won't be able to break out Naruto from higher levels of genjutsu? Sage Chakra is really strong, as it takes an abudance of chakra to be able to draw natural energy to one's self.

Lol, kakashi found the real naruto out of hundreads and thats all that counts proving itachis SG could tell the difference which leaves possibility for sasukes as well.

When was this? I'll have to see a link...

A 30% itachi clones SG<<<100% itachis SG!!! Itachi couldnt even use the MS so why use a clone of itachis failure to discredit the real itachis feat of finding the real naruto?

That doesn't prove anything. 30% chakra, means he only had enough chakra for jutsu that consumed that amount, nothing more, nothing less. If techniques uses chakra that's less than that amount, the techniques would still be used in their full power. And the regular sharingan doesn't use a lot of chakra for just scanning the area. The sharingan's characteristics would still be the same.

EDIT: ITACHI found the real naruto so IDC what itachi said because actions>>>>>>>>words all day everyday and itachi found the REAL naruto out of HUNDREADS!!!

Looks like you're just running out of things to say here.lol There's no proof to say Itachi found the real Naruto. Words, actions, and whatever means nothing. I'm saying Itachi knew that Naruto was Shadow Clone and knew if it dispersed the same message would be transmitted to Naruto. Shadow Clones act and think just like the original after all.

Oh dear god KYF is bringing up itachi finding naruto for like the 1000th time. Give it a rest dude. Theirs no proof that was anything other than coincidence. I'm not saying it didn't happen, just that you can't prove it and you of all people preach that speculation=nothing.

Just to be fair though in the last chapter when kakashi saw Sai he instantly knew he was a clone. Sai's ink clone jutsu also makes a physical body. So if kakashi can recognize an Ink clone (without using his SG) then it stands to reason that a KB might also be detectable, but theirs no proof.

Also the A>B, B>C so A>C argument has been proven false so many times. So because Itachi beat Oro and Oro is stronger then J-man (by some opinions) doesn't meant Itachi> J-man.

[QUOTE]Naruto moves well for a high leveled shinobi. He was able to keep up with Kakuzu throughout the fight. Why do you think Naruto's a slow poke? Naruto also kept up with Pain. Naruto isn't slow. And Shikamaru's body isn't optimized for quick reflexes in combat, he uses his whit and the allies to set up strategies to take down tough opponents. Naruto, like Sasuke can stand alone in battle. Thus, he has a good body for moving.

Kakuzu and naruto never fought any taijutsu. Kakuzu just stood there as naruto attacked him with the first Fuuton rasenganhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/340/03/
See, hes just standing there like a dult (read the page before if u dont believe me) then he goes retarted and fogets theres another naruto with the giant rasengan which allows naruto to get behind him.

Then finally kakuzu jumps and hits the naruto with the FRS with his exstendo tenticals on the second try, but it was a KB and then naruto gest kakuzu from behind again lol.

And naruto in SM kept up with pain, not base which Im referng to. ANd to prove the difference in speed deva easily caught base naruto (ran out of sage chakra) whos as fast as kakashi.

1panel before narutos far ahead pains in mid air, yet the panel after deva leaps off of gamas back hes already caught naruto because in base hes just so slowhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/433/03/

Naruto's shadow clones set up a lot of his offensive. They can fight from long range while the real Naruto plans a counter. Shadow clones aren't limited to close range. Shadow clones can be thrown with Rasengan too. Naruto isn't at a disadvantage here. Also, who is to say Zabuza can create a body of water to fight anyway? Against Kakashi the lake was already there, thus all they had to use was shape manipulation. Zabuza isn't Kisame, who can instantly recompose large bodies of water due to his chakra source.

Zabuza was able to fake out kakashi and he has a SG http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/13/02/so zabuzas ninja skills with bushins are clearly very high level because the only other person to ever fake out kakashi with bushins was itachi.

No, zabuza cant create a body of water like kisame, but he can create bushins, Myst without having to be near water.

Orochimaru used a jutsu that didn't work well on the sharingan. Yes, Itachi would have beat Orochimaru anyway, but Orochimaru didn't have the chance to show off his potential against Itachi. Jiraiya is agruablly better than Orochimaru. Honestly, why give Jiraiya a badass opponent to show off what he's capable of and then assume he's weaker than Orochimaru, who got sharinganed? Orochimaru's jutsu was reversed on him, none of Jiraiya's techniques can be reversed or, suppressed by the sharingan. Not saying Jiriaya would win, but he'd put up a decent fight.

What do u mean have the chance?? Orowas paralysed and beaten so having a chance wasnt the issue. It was that Oro didnt stand a chance.http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/345/09/

Like itachi said. Before his eyes (the SG) all his jutsu were ineffective (ninjutsu, taijutsu, genjutsu and even kenjutsu) so Oro didnt stand a chance which is wy he was pwned so easily.

Jman can just as easily paralysed and beaten since it takes time for him to go into HM. And before itachis eyes Jmans ninjutsu, taijutsu and senjutsu wont be effective because the SG can decern the element of Jmans ninjutsu by reading his hand signs, thus itachi can anticipate, dodge and counter at lightning speed. Jmans taijutsu at base is nothing compared to itachis and senjutsu all though giving Jman more power and speed. Itachis still faster and able to anticipate, dodge and counter because Jman cant move like the raikage. Not to mention tsukuyomi, amaterasu are instant fight enders.

It's implied if you take in to effect that Sage Chakra is a lot more powerful than regular chakra. In order to break genjutsu, the shinobi must break their chakra irregular chakra flow, in order to do that, would be to overflow that corrupted channel with an even stronger chakra force. Sage Chakra is really powerful, who is to say it won't be able to break out Naruto from higher levels of genjutsu? Sage Chakra is really strong, as it takes an abudance of chakra to be able to draw natural energy to one's self.

The point I was trying to make was Naruto even at base has 4x the chakra of kakashi yet itachi has less chakra then kakashi because of his illness, but only not even 1/3 of that chakra mere finger genjutsu was able to beat naruto and his defenses of upsurging his 10x more chakra so its obvious theres more need for skill then there is power when it comes to breaking genjutsu because if someone with the chakra level of a chunin can beat someone with the chakra level of a senin.

When was this? I'll have to see a link...

Oops, I meant to say itachi, My bad.


That doesn't prove anything. 30% chakra, means he only had enough chakra for jutsu that consumed that amount, nothing more, nothing less. If techniques uses chakra that's less than that amount, the techniques would still be used in their full power. And the regular sharingan doesn't use a lot of chakra for just scanning the area. The sharingan's characteristics would still be the same.

but what ur fogeting is that the more power pumped into the SG, the better it can decern and see which was made obvious when sasuke using the power of C2 was able to see nanite sized bombs in his blood stream by focusing so much chakra into his SG

Here it shows sasuke concentraing his SG then seeing bombs the size of cells proving the more power one has to concentrate in his/her SG eyes the better they can seehttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/361/05/


Looks like you're just running out of things to say here.lol There's no proof to say Itachi found the real Naruto. Words, actions, and whatever means nothing if Itachi knew that Naruto was Shadow Clone and knew if it dispersed the same message would be transmitted to Naruto. Shadow Clones act and think just like the original.

U forgeting that itachi gave naruto some of his power http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/08/and giving it to a KB wouldnt of worked because the power wouldve dispersed just like the bushin, but that naruto never dispersed it went along with the rest of the team proving it was the real naruto and itachi knew which is why he gave him the power instead of risking giving it to a fake and wasting it.


Itachi knows naruto is there, not just KBshttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/365/17-18/
Itachi knows naruto is there alone (no more KBs, no help from his team mates)http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/366/04/
Itachi even knew that these two were KBs and that naruto before him was the real, not one sneaking from behindhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/366/03/

So, by this info itachi knows where naruto is even though hes hiding, knows narutos alone even though others could be hiding, even knows that both attacking him are KBs, not one being real and with hundreads running around itachi found the real one and knew he had the real one by his words and actions towards naruto. And the big smoking gun is Itachi could only give the real naruto his power otherwise it would disperse and go away with the KB (not narutos own chakra reaturns to him when KBs deisperese because they are created by that power so itachis power wouldnt!!!!)

Itachi could decern the fake narutos from the real one with hundreads running around and its canonz.

[QUOTE]Oh dear god KYF is bringing up itachi finding naruto for like the 1000th time. Give it a rest dude. Theirs no proof that was anything other than coincidence. I'm not saying it didn't happen, just that you can't prove it and you of all people preach that speculation=nothing.

Lol, yea because itachi didnt find the real naruto out of hundreads, didnt give away some of his power knowing it would be wasted if given to a KB, didnt kill two KBs damn well knowing they were KBs because of was the real naruto he wouldnt be able to give him his power, ect ect. Coincidence is a crap as wack speculation when itachi knew who naruto was, where his KBs were and where his team mates were so obviously he found the real naruto on his own which makes the SGs ability to decern the difference canonz.

Just to be fair though in the last chapter when kakashi saw Sai he instantly knew he was a clone. Sai's ink clone jutsu also makes a physical body. So if kakashi can recognize an Ink clone (without using his SG) then it stands to reason that a KB might also be detectable, but theirs no proof.

Lol, where does it say INK clone?? Kakashi said clone.

Also the A>B, B>C so A>C argument has been proven false so many times. So because Itachi beat Oro and Oro is stronger then J-man (by some opinions) doesn't meant Itachi> J-man.

No that arguement doesnt work however itachis SG eye can see through even Oros jutsu making them ineffective so why is Jman s going to be different? Answer, their not!!!!

His ninjutsu will be anticipated by the SGs ability to read hand signs (hell swamp=doton, fire jutsu=kanton, and even the rasengan which is formed in the hand can be anticipated by watching the concentraion of chakra to the hand)

His taijutsu will be easily seen, dodged an countered. Even in HM itachis still faster and can still read his hand signs, chakra focusing for rasengan.

Jmans jutsu would be ineffective while itachis genjutsu taijutsu combos would pwn Jman in seconds since Jman has no genjutsu like Oro did.

And if need be itachi can use amaterasu or tsukuyomi. All of which would instapwn Jman because hes not the raikage lol.

Sorry for the extra post, but this one deserves its own post lol.

I had not noticed something from before. I thought itachi at 100% found and pwned the real naruto without even trying howeverhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/366/14/

Thats right!!! Naruto was found and easily beaten by not itachi, but one of his karasu bushins lol which means naruto couldnt even beat a clone of itachi with the clone holding back only wanting to talk. I guess SM would actually allow naruto to last a couple seconds against the real itachi.


FIN.

Wow come the fuck ON KYF. We already know how Itachi operates when it comes to opponents dude, that one scene isn't shit.

So now that we know that Itachi admitted to not being able to tell real from fake against kakashi...

and we know that in the manga he didn't find the real naruto he stumbled upon him, in the anime we see itachi stalking naruto which hints to him following the real 1 but doesn't actually show it.. THE MANGA HOWEVER shows no such a thing it just shows itachi popping up outta nowhere...

And I know the lame ass kyf prob keep rambling about how itachi can see itachi can see but the kid is fucking pathetic and a embarrassment to all ppl on this fucking planet when he can't even take simple literature that's written by 1 author saying "no eyes can detect real from fake "...

kyf w/e you're writing give it the fuck up you fucking fail at LIFE the manga states not the sharingan nor the byakugan can see a shadow clone neither can the rinnegan... Itachi already proved himself he cannot tell real from fake... so JUST FUCKING STOPPP

Kakuzu and naruto never fought any taijutsu. Kakuzu just stood there as naruto attacked him with the first Fuuton rasenganhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/340/03/
See, hes just standing there like a dult (read the page before if u dont believe me) then he goes retarted and fogets theres another naruto with the giant rasengan which allows naruto to get behind him.

? Doesn't matter if he used taijutsu or, not. Naruto caught up to Kakuzu and landed his blow before Kakuzu could react (which suggests that Naruto's body moves well). The shadow clone tactics were efficient which leans towards Naruto being able to move around with shadow clones as well as to effectively execute with his actual body. Kishi wanted to be silly and have Naruto's jutsu collaspe on him. That in my opinion, made Kakuzu's following tactics the next chapter after that kind of annoying. It would have been better if Naruto had ended it like that.

1panel before narutos far ahead pains in mid air, yet the panel after deva leaps off of gamas back hes already caught naruto because in base hes just so slow

This proves that Naruto was actually getting somewhere. If Naruto was so slow, Pain wouldn't have needed the momentum from the push off of Gamabunta to arrive in front of Naruto. He would have ran and just caught up to Naruto. Naruto's base isn't slow, it's acceptable speed.

Example: Shadow Clone tossing a Naruto with a Rasengan to reach Pain and hit him. Pain used the same logic to arrive in front of Naruto. I can say Pain is slow as shit because he didn't move but, I know that, that's not the case at all is it?

Zabuza was able to fake out kakashi and he has a SG http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/13/02/so zabuzas ninja skills with bushins are clearly very high level because the only other person to ever fake out kakashi with bushins was itachi.

Naruto fakes out his opponents too. That's the premise behind his shinobi tactics.

No, zabuza cant create a body of water like kisame, but he can create bushins, Myst without having to be near water.

Water clones aren't nearly as powerful as shadow clones, and Zabuza's were only using 10% chakra usage. They couldn't get too far from the caster either or, they'll disperse. Naruto can make more to counter those if he needed...

Jman can just as easily paralysed and beaten since it takes time for him to go into HM. And before itachis eyes Jmans ninjutsu, taijutsu and senjutsu wont be effective because the SG can decern the element of Jmans ninjutsu by reading his hand signs, thus itachi can anticipate, dodge and counter at lightning speed. Jmans taijutsu at base is nothing compared to itachis and senjutsu all though giving Jman more power and speed. Itachis still faster and able to anticipate, dodge and counter because Jman cant move like the raikage. Not to mention tsukuyomi, amaterasu are instant fight enders.

You think Orochimaru actually intended on killing Itachi? He more or, less tried his ritual however, he got stopped before executing it. Orochimaru was so wrapped in obtaining the sharingan, that's all he was fixated on (summoning, oral rebirth, and all that just tossed out of the window). Jiraiya would take things seriously from the getgo and summon something big right off the bat (considering he's not after Itachi's body). Again, I'm not saying Jiraiya could win, I'm just saying it wouldn't be over in like 2 seconds. Jiraiya has several interesting tricks like swamp of the underworld, those hair jutsu, and co-op with Gamabunta. He's not weak at all.

The point I was trying to make was Naruto even at base has 4x the chakra of kakashi yet itachi has less chakra then kakashi because of his illness, but only not even 1/3 of that chakra mere finger genjutsu was able to beat naruto and his defenses of upsurging his 10x more chakra so its obvious theres more need for skill then there is power when it comes to breaking genjutsu because if someone with the chakra level of a chunin can beat someone with the chakra level of a senin.

Itachi is an expert with Genjutsu while Naruto was still relatively new at the genjutsu breaking thing. You can't expect Naruto to break out of a genjutsu of a person who can specialize in it on the first go. Also, who is to say Naruto's chakra control was as good as it is now? After his Rasen Shuriken training and the learning of Sage Mode, Naruto's chakra control could be a lot higher than it was from before.

but what ur fogeting is that the more power pumped into the SG, the better it can decern and see which was made obvious when sasuke using the power of C2 was able to see nanite sized bombs in his blood stream by focusing so much chakra into his SG

Extending the sharingan's insight won't solve anything. Shadow Clone jutsu divides the chakra evenly among the bodies present, that's why the Byakugan couldn't decifer the real Naruto from the shadow clones. If each body has the exact same chakra, finding the real one would be no more than a shot in the dark.

U forgeting that itachi gave naruto some of his power http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/08/and giving it to a KB wouldnt of worked because the power wouldve dispersed just like the bushin, but that naruto never dispersed it went along with the rest of the team proving it was the real naruto and itachi knew which is why he gave him the power instead of risking giving it to a fake and wasting it.

Shadow Clones aren't that weak. It takes a hard blow to destroy them and if the shadow clones were laced by an extremely skilled shinobi (as in Sarutobi's case) they can remain in battle after taking hits. The crow going down its throat isn't a powerful blow to a shadow clone.

itachis power wouldnt!!!!

Who says? If it becomes Naruto's power, than why not? Natural energy isn't initially Naruto's power however, that can be channelled into a shadow clone and then dispersed in order, to push Naruto into Sage Mode. After all, natural energy is energy from the outside.

i told you guys put his ass on the ignore list...

i told you guys put his ass on the ignore list...
That's actually a really good idea. KY you've been added to my ignore list. Nice knowing you tron.

i did that too i mean if everyone does it he'd be talking to thin air and we could have normal discussions finally.

Wow come the fuck ON KYF. We already know how Itachi operates when it comes to opponents dude, that one scene isn't shit.

WHich scene?

So now that we know that Itachi admitted to not being able to tell real from fake against kakashi...

and we know that in the manga he didn't find the real naruto he stumbled upon him, in the anime we see itachi stalking naruto which hints to him following the real 1 but doesn't actually show it.. THE MANGA HOWEVER shows no such a thing it just shows itachi popping up outta nowhere...

And I know the lame ass kyf prob keep rambling about how itachi can see itachi can see but the kid is fucking pathetic and a embarrassment to all ppl on this fucking planet when he can't even take simple literature that's written by 1 author saying "no eyes can detect real from fake "...

kyf w/e you're writing give it the fuck up you fucking fail at LIFE the manga states not the sharingan nor the byakugan can see a shadow clone neither can the rinnegan... Itachi already proved himself he cannot tell real from fake... so JUST FUCKING STOPPP

I guess ur still reading my posts after all.

And ur theory that itachi coincidently knew where the real naruto was, coincidently knew where his two KBs were and Coincidently knew where narutos teamates were is rediculous!!!!!

Itachi could obviously tell the difference otherwise he wouldnt of forced his BIG BLACK KARASU DOWN NARUTOS THROAT because u cant pass on power to a bushins lol.

Say what u want because itachi found naruto out of hundreads not by coincidence, but with the purpose of giving him power to help sasuke if sasuke needed the help after hes dead so get over it. ITACHI SG COULD SOMEHOW TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN KBS AND THE REAL NARUTO MAKING IT CANONZ!!!

?[QUOTE] Doesn't matter if he used taijutsu or, not. Naruto caught up to Kakuzu and landed his blow before Kakuzu could react (which suggests that Naruto's body moves well). The shadow clone tactics were efficient which leans towards Naruto being able to move around with shadow clones as well as to effectively execute with his actual body. Kishi wanted to be silly and have Naruto's jutsu collaspe on him. That in my opinion, made Kakuzu's following tactics the next chapter after that kind of annoying. It would have been better if Naruto had ended it like that.

Did u even look at the link I posted? Kakuzu just STOOD THERE while naruto and his KBS attacked him. Kakuzu didnt even try to move lol so how does that prove naruto isnt slow as piss?

This proves that Naruto was actually getting somewhere. If Naruto was so slow, Pain wouldn't have needed the momentum from the push off of Gamabunta to arrive in front of Naruto. He would have ran and just caught up to Naruto. Naruto's base isn't slow, it's acceptable speed.

Lol, what?? Deva stuck in mid air because gama came to naruto rescue, but dvea chumped him then lept off of gamas back because he was in mid air, not on the ground. And since deva caught naruto in 1 panel after naruto was about 50yrds ahead, its canonz kakashis/devas speed>>base naruto.

Naruto is just slow and has always been so I dont know why of all things ur trying to show narutos not slow.

Example: Shadow Clone tossing a Naruto with a Rasengan to reach Pain and hit him. Pain used the same logic to arrive in front of Naruto. I can say Pain is slow as shit because he didn't move but, I know that, that's not the case at all is it?

No realms tossed deva, he lept because he was in mid air yet still caught naruto easily in 1 panel from 50yrds.http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/442/16/

See^^^ Devas so completly warnout he cant stand much less dodge like he did before with the henged bushins and FRS so ur comparison is way off. Naruto running at full speed and getting caught in 1 panel from 5yrds by deva>>>Naruto getting thrown by 2KBs at a stationary deva whos so warnout he cant stand much less dodge (in speed feats that is)


Naruto fakes out his opponents too. That's the premise behind his shinobi tactics.

Naruto resorts to those tacttcis when he usual overwhelm with powerful head on attacks doesnt work.

Water clones aren't nearly as powerful as shadow clones, and Zabuza's were only using 10% chakra usage. They couldn't get too far from the caster either or, they'll disperse. Naruto can make more to counter those if he needed...

I didnt exspect zabuza to use his suiton clones to fight, but merely as decoys and deversions from the real zabuza.


You think Orochimaru actually intended on killing Itachi? He more or, less tried his ritual however, he got stopped before executing it. Orochimaru was so wrapped in obtaining the sharingan, that's all he was fixated on (summoning, oral rebirth, and all that just tossed out of the window). Jiraiya would take things seriously from the getgo and summon something big right off the bat (considering he's not after Itachi's body). Again, I'm not saying Jiraiya could win, I'm just saying it wouldn't be over in like 2 seconds. Jiraiya has several interesting tricks like swamp of the underworld, those hair jutsu, and co-op with Gamabunta. He's not weak at all.

Oro cant use his ritual on anyone without the CS!!! Oro clearly tried to infect itachi with that power, but was raped in the process.

And if that attack wouldve landed even itachi wouldve been killed because add that (CS when first introduced, remember what happen to healthy sasuke) with itachis illness and u have a kick the bucket scenario lol.

ANd Im not saying Jman s weak at all, its just itachi is redicuously strong. His SG eyes could easily read, anticipate and counter any ninjutsu, taijutsu, genjutsu and by his statement with Oro, Kenjutsu as well. So how would Jman last very long with bushins blitzing him while using genjutsu as well?

Itachi is an expert with Genjutsu while Naruto was still relatively new at the genjutsu breaking thing. You can't expect Naruto to break out of a genjutsu of a person who can specialize in it on the first go. Also, who is to say Naruto's chakra control was as good as it is now? After his Rasen Shuriken training and the learning of Sage Mode, Naruto's chakra control could be a lot higher than it was from before.

CHakra control isnt the genjutsu special skill to my knowledge because Jman has great chakra control, but he as well couldnt do anything with genjutsu to save his life.

And naruto twice by bushins got beat by genjutsu. Im sure SM would allow naruto the ability to power out of some of the regular genjutsu, but SG genjutsu is top of the line so IDK.


Extending the sharingan's insight won't solve anything. Shadow Clone jutsu divides the chakra evenly among the bodies present, that's why the Byakugan couldn't decifer the real Naruto from the shadow clones. If each body has the exact same chakra, finding the real one would be no more than a shot in the dark.

Shot in the dark? Itachi bushin found naruto out of hundreads so obviously it can be done. Just dont forget itachis bushin couldve just simply used his SG to read narutos reactions (facila reactions, obvious anxiety knowing only the real one would be so anxious) something because itachi found him, knoew exactly where his KBS were without looking and even where narutos team mates were so itachi insight and clarity is awesome.

Shadow Clones aren't that weak. It takes a hard blow to destroy them and if the shadow clones were laced by an extremely skilled shinobi (as in Sarutobi's case) they can remain in battle after taking hits. The crow going down its throat isn't a powerful blow to a shadow clone.

The genjutsu takes away chakra control which would leave the bushin unstable if it was a bushin then by giving the bushin the power which was so taxing it put naruto on the ground, a bushin wouldve died from such a thing.

Who says? If it becomes Naruto's power, than why not? Natural energy isn't initially Naruto's power however, that can be channelled into a shadow clone and then dispersed in order, to push Naruto into Sage Mode. After all, natural energy is energy from the outside.

NE combines with chakra to become Sage chakra, but another shinobis own chakra isnt5 going to mix with narutos chakra and will only be used when itachi programed the power to be used so it transfering like narutos own energy isnt possible.

I already thought of this before claiming itachi could find the real naruto because if that was possible then itachi couldve easily just found a bushin to talk and give power too.


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IDFC!!!! So u dont want me to tell ur drunk ass replacement jutsu isnt a T/S jutsu or w/e other crap u just want to continue to believe yet post as fact. By ignoring me ur just showing how much u want to be left alone to believe that crap because denial is such pure win I guess.

The scene where you said Naruto got his ass whooped by a Karasu bunshin or some shit. We all know how Itachi operates when it comes to fights, Itachi could've easily laid out Naruto with that, and we all know Itachi's taijutsu isn't something to scoff at so even IF Naruto got beat by a bunshin it makes sense since Itachi was still able to keep up with Sasuke, given that Sasuke copied Lee's taijutsu which was LEAGUES above Sasuke's at the time.

Itachi didn't touch Naruto anyway. Naruto was reeling from Itachi's message. I thought the flashback to where Itachi and Naruto had their talk in the genjutsu made that apparent. That's why Naruto asked why Itachi hadn't fought him, or taken him seriously. Itachi responded with "I have other places that need more attention." Or, something along those lines.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/02/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/03/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/08/

The scene where you said Naruto got his ass whooped by a Karasu bunshin or some shit. We all know how Itachi operates when it comes to fights, Itachi could've easily laid out Naruto with that, and we all know Itachi's taijutsu isn't something to scoff at so even IF Naruto got beat by a bunshin it makes sense since Itachi was still able to keep up with Sasuke, given that Sasuke copied Lee's taijutsu which was LEAGUES above Sasuke's at the time.

Well, I was under the Impression that naruto fought the real itachi which I missed obviously. But I was just saying that because why pit naruto against itachi even with SM when naruto could never last more then a few seconds against his bushins. The point I was trying to make I guess.

Also, Im not sure if Lee knows shushin or not? I was under the Impression he was just really fast after removing his weights or w/e. IDK, I could be wrong.

Itachi didn't touch Naruto anyway. Naruto was reeling from Itachi's message. I thought the flashback to where Itachi and Naruto had their talk in the genjutsu made that apparent. That's why Naruto asked why Itachi hadn't fought him, or taken him seriously. Itachi responded with "I have other places that need more attention." Or, something along those lines.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/02/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/03/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/08/

I know the karasu bushin never touched naruto, but genjutsu dont defeat opponents with external force, but with internal. And since naruto was on the ground obviously internally rocked, sweating and panting yet not dispersed he was the real naruto. A KB cant take that kind of punishment. A slap to a KB can kill one of those things so itachis genjutsu wouldve murdered one with overkill lol.


Anyways, lets not beat a dead horse.

How about a match up Ive been meaning to debate again fro a while.

Raikage (starting in supermode) vs pain? In konaha crater and if raikage gets in trouble shi is allowed to assist him.

.....Ok whatever.

-Those Chakra rods won't hurt Raikage (Chidori Charged Katana is blocked by Raiton Armor).

-Hungry Ghost and Human Realm are automatially forfeit.

-Raikage is at disadvantage because he can't summon.

-Pain's disadvantage is if he uses a regular shinra-tensei (time between would allow Raikage ample for violating it).

-Pain wins if he uses full scale Shinra Tensei (I don't think Raikage can cover that much distance.)

Chibaku Tensei would normally seal the deal (though Pain would have to be within proxy range of his original body.)

I say Pain wins with full-scaled Shinra Tensei (the one that leveled Konoha. It would have been a good match though, Raikage lacks summons for supplementary matters.)

I know the karasu bushin never touched naruto, but genjutsu dont defeat opponents with external force, but with internal. And since naruto was on the ground obviously internally rocked, sweating and panting yet not dispersed he was the real naruto. A KB cant take that kind of punishment. A slap to a KB can kill one of those things so itachis genjutsu wouldve murdered one with overkill lol.


Wait a second. Did you just say genjutsu can kill KB's? Where did you get that idea from. Itachi's used genjutsu on kakashi's shadow clone and made it feel like it was on fire yet it didn't even flinch.

.....Ok whatever.

-Those Chakra rods won't hurt Raikage (Chidori Charged Katana is blocked by Raiton Armor).

-Hungry Ghost and Human Realm are automatially forfeit.

-Raikage is at disadvantage because he can't summon.

-Pain's disadvantage is if he uses a regular shinra-tensei (time between would allow Raikage ample for violating it).

-Pain wins if he uses full scale Shinra Tensei (I don't think Raikage can cover that much distance.)

Chibaku Tensei would normally seal the deal (though Pain would have to be within proxy range of his original body.)

I say Pain wins with full-scaled Shinra Tensei (the one that leveled Konoha. It would have been a good match though, Raikage lacks summons for supplementary matters.)

Couple questions.

1. How is the giant ST going to beat the raikage (super super strong and powerful while also covered in raiton armour) when it couldnt even hurt tsunade, the white anbu guy, shikas dad, inos dad ect. How?? Even with raiton armour on no physical attack is going to hurt rai with or without super strength.

2. Rai is starting off in super mode which means he moves instantly!!! So fast he will be killing realms before they even know theyre dead lol. So fast if pain had 100,000 realms with 200,000 eyes watching rai, they still couldnt track his movements.

Realistic scenario:

Animal realm steps forward to take on rai in super mode. Before animal realm can finish saying summoning Rai blitzes in and back hands animal head off her shoulders sending her body flying with so much force it hits HG realm who cant react in time and is killed on Impact.

With the other realms having no Idea of how rai wasted two realms in an instant they take a defensive stance to try and track rais movemnets. However, Rai easily blitzes in behind all and kills the one furthest in the back which would be hell realm. Now, with 3 down all attack rai while deva uses bansho tenin to take rai off the ground so he cant move, but human and demons chakra rod attack combo fail because theyre rods cant do jack to rais armour.

Now devas powerless for 5 seconds which is ample time for rai to blitz human realm killing him, then demon realm who attempt to use his rocket boots to blitz rai from behind gets intercepted by rai and killed as well.

Now with deva all thats left. Deva STs rai and sends him flying, then jumps up in the air. Then as rai is getting up he looks up and takes a supreme Shinrei tensai point blank. (shit blows up, theres a huge dust cloud and shi is worried) Now devas back on the ground panting from using so much chakra, but when the dust settle rai is standing in the huge crater with his arms protecting his face and is unharmed because not only his super brute strength, but his raiton armour allowed his body to pierce the earth severely softening the blow.

Now with deva powerless for another 2 minutes rai easliy catches deva trying to escape and kills his ass.

Rai wins because pain didnt have a godly ultimate defense like sasanoo which it took to stop rais attacks from instantly wasting sasuke as well or a jutsu like amaterasu that could actually injure rai though his raiton armour. Or at least a fuuton jutsu that would hurt rias raiton armour.

The Full Scaled one leveled an entire village and covered so much range. I think everyone covered themselves with Katsuyu and basically Tsunade gave up all of her chakra to protect everyone with the slug's bodies. I think if Naruto was hit with the full scaled Shinra Tensei, Pain would have won (though it might have killed Naruto).

The Fulls scaled Shinra Tensei was seen to be Pain's strongest offensive.

I think the other bodies would be wasted quickly (though the summons will probably block Raikage enough for God Realm to ascend into the air via the forces of its technique.)

Pain would probably end of destroying all of his bodies in the blast though. So, Pain would be exausted and out of power, without any bodies. It would be a doubled edge technique no doubt.

[QUOTE]The Full Scaled one leveled an entire village and covered so much range. I think everyone covered themselves with Katsuyu and basically Tsunade gave up all of her chakra to protect everyone with the slug's bodies. I think if Naruto was hit with the full scaled Shinra Tensei, Pain would have won (though it might have killed Naruto).

Tsunade wasnt covered, the white anbu wasnt covered. And they werent in raiton armour which not even chidori could pierce more then 1 inch, but Im starting rai off in super mode which is a even more dense armour of raition which not even chidori could harm if the basic was barely harmed.

Look at the raiton armour around rai in basic raiton armour modehttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/463/02/

Now look at the raiton armour while rais in super mode (can see obvious difference)http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/463/08/

Raikages hari cant even stay down anymore and his aura double so not even chidori would be able to hurt rai in super mode like before so a simple use of gravity to smash the raikage into the ground wouldnt work because rais raiton armour would just allow rai to pierce the ground deminishing all the power of the attack.

The Fulls scaled Shinra Tensei was seen to be Pain's strongest offensive.

Still wouldnt work because of raiton armour. Maybe without, but rais still super strong like tsunade who got no injuries from the giant ST.

I think the other bodies would be wasted quickly (though the summons will probably block Raikage enough for God Realm to ascend into the air via the forces of its technique.)

Rais super strong and fast so he can either sit still and kick the crap out of the summons or just blitz right past them.

Pain would probably end of destroying all of his bodies in the blast though. So, Pain would be exausted and out of power, without any bodies. It would be a doubled edge technique no doubt.

I was thinking about chibaku tensai, but the only way deva would use that attack is if the other bodies are dead and hes close enough to nagato. But if not, deva has to run closer to nagato which means he has to tunr his back on rai which isnt a good Idea before rai can just simply blitz deva in an instant without deva being able to so much as try an ST for defense.

If deva does use ST.

1. Raikage in super mode just out runs the danger zone and gets deva.

2. Gets sucked up, but then uses his sper strength and power to bust out after the jutsu weakens some just as SM naruto did herehttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/440/16/

Shortly after then jutsu crumbled so it has a power and time limit obviously, but whats worse is its only effective use for someone really strong is capturing, not KOing or killing. Rai would just wait it out or bust out with raw power then kick devas ass.

Then rai can use shis sensory abilites to find nagato and go kick his ass.

Wait a second. Did you just say genjutsu can kill KB's? Where did you get that idea from. Itachi's used genjutsu on kakashi's shadow clone and made it feel like it was on fire yet it didn't even flinch.

Itachi just started a genjutsu on that KB, but naruto was in that genjutsu for a while then got a big black akrasu bushin shoved down his throat which left him on his hands and knees panting from exasution. Meanwhile so much as a slap to a KB can kill those things which wouldnt even hurt the real naruto.

External slaps and basic punches<<<Internal pwning of one nervous system which leaves u on the ground in bad shape.

Well, I was under the Impression that naruto fought the real itachi which I missed obviously. But I was just saying that because why pit naruto against itachi even with SM when naruto could never last more then a few seconds against his bushins. The point I was trying to make I guess.

Also, Im not sure if Lee knows shushin or not? I was under the Impression he was just really fast after removing his weights or w/e. IDK, I could be wrong.

No, Lee doesn't use ninjutsu at all, strictly taijutsu but since Sasuke has seen Lee's taijutsu and used his SG to copy it, it was easy for Sasuke to get trained to use BETTER taijutsu since his was obviously lacking.

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-112/page004.html

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-112/page007.html

Right there it says Sasuke copied Lee's taijutsu and during the Chidori training, used Lee's taijutsu to become better, and MUCH faster. Sasuke in a month became as fast as Lee without his weights, to me that's an incredible feat.

But the point of what I'm saying is that (since we know they didn't fight) if Itachi had actually fought Naruto (his bunshin at least, itachi, not naruto) and beat him, it wouldn't surprise me since it's from a man who was able to keep up with his little brother in a contest of taijutsu. Sasuke's taijutsu was decent, but after training to use Lee's taijutsu, he was much better, and then of course I'm sure he went through more taijutsu training with Oro and got even better, so it's no surprise to me that a bunshin was able to beat Naruto (if they had actually fought). I hope I made it clear enough because I don't want to repeat it lmfao.

No, Lee doesn't use ninjutsu at all, strictly taijutsu but since Sasuke has seen Lee's taijutsu and used his SG to copy it, it was easy for Sasuke to get trained to use BETTER taijutsu since his was obviously lacking.

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-112/page004.html

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-112/page007.html

Right there it says Sasuke copied Lee's taijutsu and during the Chidori training, used Lee's taijutsu to become better, and MUCH faster. Sasuke in a month became as fast as Lee without his weights, to me that's an incredible feat.

But the point of what I'm saying is that (since we know they didn't fight) if Itachi had actually fought Naruto (his bunshin at least, itachi, not naruto) and beat him, it wouldn't surprise me since it's from a man who was able to keep up with his little brother in a contest of taijutsu. Sasuke's taijutsu was decent, but after training to use Lee's taijutsu, he was much better, and then of course I'm sure he went through more taijutsu training with Oro and got even better, so it's no surprise to me that a bunshin was able to beat Naruto (if they had actually fought). I hope I made it clear enough because I don't want to repeat it lmfao.

No, I get what ur saying.

And I forgot shushins a ninjutsu so Lee is just physicaly that fast which is Impressive considering how fast he would be with shushin if he could learn it.

New Match-Up:
Sage Naruto Vs. Lee(IN TERMS OF SPEED)!

New Match-Up:
Sage Naruto Vs. Lee(IN TERMS OF SPEED)!

without the gates and weights off i'd say lee is perhaps a bit faster with the gates he's way faster.. in terms of who would win the fight naruto in 2 min not more.

you never know with lee though he could come back and kick naruto's ass......

but to the truth naruto would win just because he's in the sage mode...

kiba versus temari?

Kiba vs Temari?? Yuck, you got a chick that aint did shit in the manga since getting whooped by Shikamaru and then saving his ass. And then you got someone who used their best attack against an opponent and got side stepped and thought he phased through them. That's an ugly match up to be honest.

kiba versus temari?
Temari wins this without much effort.

Kiba vs Temari?? Yuck, you got a chick that aint did shit in the manga since getting whooped by Shikamaru and then saving his ass. And then you got someone who used their best attack against an opponent and got side stepped and thought he phased through them. That's an ugly match up to be honest.

yah i picked those two due to the fact that neither have shown themselves too much. i was hoping someone could be creative but not even I can come up with good qualities for this fight

Lol well that's a first, for me at least. Yeah that was a very whack match-up to be honest. Might as well say some shit like Baki vs Genma or some shit.

next up
Torune vs Yamato.
restrictions:none
battlefield: Forest
assumptions: Torune can use all of Shino's techniques shown since he is an aburame + his hidden jutsu. Yamato can use everything he has shown so far.

Yamato has more screen time. Torune just shown recently. Torune is an Aburame, bug user. Yamato is a senju clone, tho he hasn't shown physical strength, only the tree jutsus. Both are anbu. Yamato from the personal Hokage anbu, Torune from the Root anbu. Both are mid to long range fighters, but torune has a more deadly melee jutsu. Both are highly intelligent. Discuss.

There really is no need for Yamato to show physical strength since he can transform his body parts into "wood". A lot of people will say shit like "oh wellz yamato aint dunz shit sooo" and it's really annoying because I never really considered Yamato to be like a power house. In my honest opinion, both of them in a FOREST, Torune has control over all the bugs in the forest, while Yamato has control over all the tree's and shrubs and shit. My vote? Yamato, wood > bugs

If torune truely does have all of shinos jutsu as well then I dont see how yamato could win even in a forrest.

Yamato has the ability to subdue or do effective recon which wont beat torune. ANd by sudueing him those nano size insects will get into yamatos wood then get to him if the wood is still attached so what in the hell could yamato do?

Torune can either attack from outsied with mutiple bugs to drain chakra or use as a deversion to get in a just touch yamato which would end the fight there. IMO, yamato needs to show so powerful offensive jutsu or hes just going to be a bunch of failed hyped because he can use Mokuton like harshima.

Good match up.

I'd say Torune wins, but the battle would be very good.

These bugs can act like termintes right considering chakra is embedded in the wood? They're chakra eaters, might be pretty bad if they link their way up to Yamato.

Yamato must attack from long range and use Wood clones. Close range is forbidden (unless Yamato want to be infested). Water is probably good to use. Bugs can be easily sent through soild matter. They might be drowned in water at least.

It would be an interesting fight.

Torune vs Neji? Two death touches collide (no assuming abilities for torune because hes an aburame and they fight in konaha traning gounds at night)

toune has shown 1 skill to use those bugs nothing else so no yamato would fucking rape him.. this guy needs to get close for his bugs to work yamato can fight all ranges...

yamto wins this..

Torune Vs Neji?

TIE

I don't see how neji could beat him without actually touching him. I don't think neji could kill him by closing off his chakra points, but he could kill him afterwards when torune falls to the ground. A few seconds later though neji would fall over completely infested with nano bugs.

Torune Vs Neji?

TIE

I don't see how neji could beat him without actually touching him. I don't think neji could kill him by closing off his chakra points, but he could kill him afterwards when torune falls to the ground. A few seconds later though neji would fall over completely infested with nano bugs.

Nejis doesnt touch his opponent. He hits them with chakra so he never actually physicly touches them and even if he did nejis BG could see whats waiting if he does actualy touch torune.

I think neji could fend torune off long enough with chakra range blasts and kaiten before he landed a solid chakra blow to torunes heart causing cardiacarrest.

That is with what little we know about torune. The only reason I had his beat yamato is because yamato uses his mokuton to subdue which would cause the nanmite insects to travel back to yamato and deteriorate the wood in at the same time IMO.

Neji has the advantage over Torune because he can see everything inside him....

Torune vs Yamato

Both can fight at range. Yamato can easily subdue and capture Torune due to his wood attacks. he can also attack at that range, piercing wood can do the trick. but so does Torune, Torune can capture Yamato from afar with bugs, and can also attack from that range. At range, Torune has a wider range because of the bugs, but Battling in a forest also increases Yamato's range. At range, i'd say they have equal chances of winning. Melee combat is a no-no for Yamato. If they engage in melee, Torune would surely win. based on this circumstances, Torune 7-3 Yamato.

Torune vs Neji.
Aburame vs Hyuga. If Neji was battling Shino, he has chances of winning. but he's battling Torune, and fighting Torune with that kind of technique he has at melee range, Neji would surely lose. Torune is like Hidan in this scenario. Simply fighting him at close range puts the enemy at the highest risk of losing. And Neji is a melee fighter. Even if he is a taijutsu monster, His fighting style puts him at a disadvantage against someone who can kill with just a touch. Torune wins this. Torune 9-1 Neji.

Heres one that has been done to death, but with a twist.

Healthy Itachi (since chakra pool was 2.5 at the brin of death it correct to assume a fully healthy itachi would have a 5 like naruto in chakra and stamina.) So itachi healthy with naruto stamina/chakra level, added speed, strength and less blind MS from being fully healthy VS pain?

Note: I brought back this fight after realising amaterasu is ignited directly on the opponent, not shot out of the eye at the opponent which mean shinrei tensai wont stop it and with pains kakashi level speed if even that, they will have no way to defend exept HG realm who can only do 1 at a time.
and After realising tsukuyomi is instant win, cant be broken out of by the other realms because its effects are instant which is the attack of the spirit, not body and by attacking the spirit of the body which is nagato himself, nagato is effected not just the body.

(in the Iron coutry where rai fought sasuke) GO!!!

i seriously doubt that itachi could have the same amount of chakra as naruto has. somewhere the manga stated, that narutos chakra was that high, because he has to keep the fox's chakra sealed inside.

itachi is like a better kakashi, but no match in chakra for jirayia or naruto...

i give this fight to pain, hands down...

- massive summons
- any ninjustu can be neglected by the fat pain (don't know of amaterasu, but itachi can't look at 6 different targets in the same instant...and would be killed by the other 5)
- shinra tensei, chibaku tensei
- soul eating demon
- and there are fucking 6 of them o0


pain vs itachi: 9 - 1

i seriously doubt that itachi could have the same amount of chakra as naruto has. somewhere the manga stated, that narutos chakra was that high, because he has to keep the fox's chakra sealed inside.

itachi is like a better kakashi, but no match in chakra for jirayia or naruto...

i give this fight to pain, hands down...

- massive summons
- any ninjustu can be neglected by the fat pain (don't know of amaterasu, but itachi can't look at 6 different targets in the same instant...and would be killed by the other 5)
- shinra tensei, chibaku tensei
- soul eating demon
- and there are fucking 6 of them o0


pain vs itachi: 9 - 1

Itachis healthy chakra/stamina level is 5 in DB stat stadards which is the same as naruto since he was at 2.5 on the brink of death, meaning only double since uchiha also have huge chakra pools which has been canonz for a while so no changing the circumstances just so pain can beat itachi.

So, IMO with the double chakra pool and stamina were would see double the karasu bushins, tsukuyomis and amaterasus and even a sustained sasanoo so pain really is matched in such a fight by the way itachi fights.

Itachi will start off with a bushin and spamming genjutsu which would be broken and would give itachi the impression about the sharing of vision which would allow for a strategy to seperate each realm.

And after getting some karasu bushins wasted itachi could learn about all the realms abilties and if in trouble like bansho tenined by deva, itachi could activate a partial sasanoo to block any attack.

So, with a strategy put together itachi can just climb inside of sasanoo and start wasting pain a realm at a time. Itachi can just sit back and amaterasu the strongest realms like deva, hell and demon while just using the sword of tosuka to kill HG, human and animal.

And with the yata mirror, if summons attack they will be stopped, if HG tried to absorb sasanoo he will be cut down and if deva uses ST he will be blown back like he did aginst the kyuubi and if basho tenin he will be sucked into sasanoo because sasanoo blocks all attacks as stated by the DB.

With itachi fully healthy and able to spam karasu bushins to learn about pains abilites then once figured out sit inside of sasanoo and pick the realms apart.

Itachi fully healthy 7-3.

yeah for sure...pain would stand still and let his path be slaughtered by susano'o...lol you're stupid...

pain could simply push susano'oed itachi backwards or chibaku tensei it...i think the jata mirror works against attacks, but gravitiy is no ordinary attack. so pain could wait until susano'o sucks itachi dry...

either that or wait until itachi releases susano'o. and then, pain clearly is in advantage. summons, the soul eating beast etc...

and until there is proof, that susano'o is imune against gravitiy, pain is the only ninja who could beat susano'o...for now
so KYF if you argue in your next post that susano'o is imune to gravitiy, prove it please. in points of logic, everything can be sucked in by gravitiy, and in physics bigger matters draw smaller matter...chibaku tensei > susano'o

pain > itachi (even with your "upgrade")

[QUOTE]yeah for sure...pain would stand still and let his path be slaughtered by susano'o...lol you're stupid...

What the same way pain stood still and let naruto slow ass slaughter his realms, Yea!!!!

pain could simply push susano'oed itachi backwards or chibaku tensei it...i think the jata mirror works against attacks, but gravitiy is no ordinary attack. so pain could wait until susano'o sucks itachi dry...

STs/BTs Gravity is an incroporial attack and a ninjutsu so sasanoo will block that shit as stated by the DB

Straight from kishi himself, the DB
The reason why Susano-o is boasted to be flawless in both offense and defence is due to the "spiritual equipments" held in both hands. The right hand wields the Totsukano Tsurugi sword that can bring down any enemies; the left hand holds the Yatano Kagami (Eight Span Mirror), which can repel all attacks. Be it physical or spiritual, ninjutsu or physical attacks, all these become futile in front of such godly effects.

ALL ATTACKS, not some, not almost all, but ALL ATTACKS!!! Including chibaku tensai which itachi could just run from since sasanoo moves with him.


either that or wait until itachi releases susano'o. and then, pain clearly is in advantage. summons, the soul eating beast etc...

IM sorry, but why would itachi who is a brilliant strategist release sasanoo unless al the realms are dead?? Since itachi is helthy he would be able to spam sasanoo until all realms are defeated.

and until there is proof, that susano'o is imune against gravitiy, pain is the only ninja who could beat susano'o...for now
so KYF if you argue in your next post that susano'o is imune to gravitiy, prove it please. in points of logic, everything can be sucked in by gravitiy, and in physics bigger matters draw smaller matter...chibaku tensei > susano'o

Nope as posted above sasanoo with the yata mirror can repel ALL ATTACKS. And last I checked deva didnt use gravity, but magnetic attraction and repelinghttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-423/page005.html

See binktopias translation which I would trust more then a NC translation says devas power is attractive force like a magnent, not gravity.

And as its known the electromangnetic feild around the planet creates a force field which also can atract and repel.

pain > itachi (even with your "upgrade")

Shhhiiiiiittttttt!!!

AN unhealthy itachi who can only use sasanoo for a short amount of time before he dies yes, but a healthy itachi who can spam amaterasu, more genjutsu, more karasu bushins and even spam sasanoo is unbeatable unless the enemy has a T/S jutsu and can use it to enter sasanoo. Or if the enemy has such shushin speed like rai who can kill instantly before itachi could even think to put up sasanoo.

So healthy sasanoo spamming itachi>pain without a doubt!

luckily this debate is totally unnecessary, because itachi was never shown using susano'o while in perfect health.

i will stop discussing this fight now, because we are dealing with an unbalaced kishimoto hax, the susano'o, and you propose a duell with an advantage for a person, who was never shown as you propse in the manga.

but at last, enlighten me: how should susano'o be able to break free of the chibaku tensei? would itachi send all the earth and rock in a blissful genjustu with the sword?
isn't itachi inside the susano'o? is he not affected by the laws of physic? even if chibaku tensei is just a "force field" like you claimed, why should he be able to resist it?
remember, gravity, magnetism are no attacks, it's physics...how do you defend against gravitiy or force fields?
i agree, that shinra tensei might me an attack of some sort, but i doubt that susano'o can break the effect of the chibaku tensei...that is all of it...until you proof me wrong by real evidence, that is my oppinion.

next pairing please, and perhaps one without "additional upgrades" and "supposed to have raiton armor" please, thanks

[QUOTE]luckily this debate is totally unnecessary, because itachi was never shown using susano'o while in perfect health.

Lol, SO???

If the brink of death could use sasanoo then whats ur point? A healthy itachi would just be able to use it longer, thats all. Are u going to deny the fact that itachi healthy would be able to obviously sustain a jutsu that even him on the brink of death could even though its saps the users life itself.

i will stop discussing this fight now, because we are dealing with an unbalaced kishimoto hax, the susano'o, and you propose a duell with an advantage for a person, who was never shown as you propse in the manga.

Its only oppisite lol. A nonsick itachi is the fight so dont get defensive since it would allow him to actually beat pain 1 on 1. And since itachi was handicaped in the first place by illness, its only necassary to pit him against a supirior doujutsu of a healthy user while in full health as he should be.

but at last, enlighten me: how should susano'o be able to break free of the chibaku tensei? would itachi send all the earth and rock in a blissful genjustu with the sword?

the yata mirrior would obviously repel CTs effects since kishi said the yata mirrior repels ALL ATTACKS.

isn't itachi inside the susano'o? is he not affected by the laws of physic? even if chibaku tensei is just a "force field" like you claimed, why should he be able to resist it?

devas powers arent the minipulation of the surrounding gravity, but by creating his own manetic forcefiled and standing at the center he can attract and repel things. So, no itachis not immune, but devas attack is still a ninjutsu attack which would be repeled just like what the Kyyubi did where deva STed him. The kyuubi anchored himself which caused the repeling force to bounce back, thus causing deva to be repeled instead. Its the same thing with basho tenin. Sasanoo would just counter the attack which would attract deva to sasanoo and not the other way around.

remember, gravity, magnetism are no attacks, it's physics...how do you defend against gravitiy or force fields?

Electromagnitism could easily be a prduct of raiton+doton so dont say its nothing but physics because devas attack is still a ninjutsu.

ANd the mirrior is a supernatural weapon so like its name suggest, that shit is magic lol.

i agree, that shinra tensei might me an attack of some sort, but i doubt that susano'o can break the effect of the chibaku tensei...that is all of it...until you proof me wrong by real evidence, that is my oppinion.

WHat do u mean real evidence? Kishi sand the yata mirrior can repel ALL ATTACKS and he created devas powers so those too because ALL means ALL.

Kishis own words from the DB are the best kind of evidence other then actions in the manga because his words arent any part of dialouge to add to the story. They are there for such situations as this and he says ALL ATTACKS so sasanoo will repel even devas attacks, no ifs, ands or buts.

next pairing please, and perhaps one without "additional upgrades" and "supposed to have raiton armor" please, thanks

Making itachi healthy isnt an upgrade its making itachi what he naturally should be. Kishi put itachi at a disadvantage for a reason because the guy was just too damn strong if he was healthy so to fight pain who is also healthy and has a supirior doujutsu its only fair to make itachi as he shouldve been. HEALTHY!!!