devas powers arent the minipulation of the surrounding gravity, but by creating his own manetic forcefiled and standing at the center he can attract and repel things. So, no itachis not immune, but devas attack is still a ninjutsu attack which would be repeled just like what the Kyyubi did where deva STed him. The kyuubi anchored himself which caused the repeling force to bounce back, thus causing deva to be repeled instead. Its the same thing with basho tenin. Sasanoo would just counter the attack which would attract deva to sasanoo and not the other way around.

gravity and the electromagntism are two very different things. if Deva created magnetic fields he would only be able to attract or repel things like iron, nickel and cobalt. but Deva's ability allows him to control gravity and repulsion, hence why he can attract/repel everything.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/423/05/

gravity and the electromagntism are two very different things. if Deva created magnetic fields he would only be able to attract or repel things like iron, nickel and cobalt. but Deva's ability allows him to control gravity and repulsion, hence why he can attract/repel everything.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/423/05/

Deva abilites where comared to a magnetic field by kishi not me. And gravity only pulls things in I think. I never heard of gravity pushing something away so a form of magnatism is a better explanation IMO. Besides, its not basic magnatism like natures, its a special kind which is why its a ninjutsu/doujutsu of the Rinnegan.

please what do you guys think about kakshi vs kisame with samehada

kakashi vs kisame?

kakashi is versatile. kisame is taijutsu monster.kisame has few ranged attack and can make the battle field be to his advantage. but he relies too much on samehada. If kisame goes all out, kakashi will definitely have a tough time. battling inside the water sphere would be tasking for kakashi. as long as kakashi can avoid direct melee combat with kisame, he has advantage because of kamui. but once it is in close range, kisame will own. kakashi 3 - 7 kisame

Kisame was hype, Kishi trolled him, and he didn't show as much as I thought he would, I don't dig the Fish Looking Freak, but for now I'd give the edge to Kakashi because of experience, and the ability to copy suiton attacks.

kakashi all the way lmfaooo.. kisame knows 2 water jutsu lol fucking fail....

lol, i would have chosen kakashi as the winner, but character bashing aside, kisame clearly has a big advantage. Samehada would not betray him.

Kakashi has range, he has awesome suiton. he can copy jutsus, but he cannot copy the ocean adventure jutsu of kisame. not with his chakra. and kisame has clear advantage once he has that jutsu in place. i like kakashi, and i know kisame is a fail, but character build-wise, kisame will own kakashi. 7-3.

lol, i would have chosen kakashi as the winner, but character bashing aside, kisame clearly has a big advantage. Samehada would not betray him.

Kakashi has range, he has awesome suiton. he can copy jutsus, but he cannot copy the ocean adventure jutsu of kisame. not with his chakra. and kisame has clear advantage once he has that jutsu in place. i like kakashi, and i know kisame is a fail, but character build-wise, kisame will own kakashi. 7-3.

kisame does not have samahada the bitch left... he doesn't deserve to be debated with when he had the samahada,,, he's pure fail..

Kakashis no faster then base KB and his raiton attacks failed. But, since kakashi is a strategist and a fast paced fighter. I could see him figuring out samehadas ability, then using so KBs to momentarily take samehada away while the real kakashi ambushes from below. Thats in base though.

If kisame fusues with samehada then kakashi will be basicly powerless to do anything, but use kamui on kisamehada and use of speed or manuevering has been shown by deidara to be able to avoid a mortal injury from that attack so?

I give it 5-5 draw since if kakashi fails to kill kisame right away kisame will just outlast him and murder him.

i dont know why but i still dont see kakashi winning that batlle because kisame with samaheda just drains chakra and kakshi isnt really endorsed with chakra,so he might need a back up to defeat kisame.what do you guys think

kisame can only drain visible chakra kakashi doesn't have any tail forms so yeahh..

kisame can only drain visible chakra kakashi doesn't have any tail forms so yeahh..
lol no i dont think so,he can drain chakra,well i am not too sure but in the anime he did it to suigestu..

kisame can only drain visible chakra kakashi doesn't have any tail forms so yeahh..

SIIIGGGHHH!!!

I guess samehada didnt absorb the raiton right off of KBs sword did it. Clearly it could do the same to the arm, leg or even whole body.

Its already been made canonz that even elemental chakra will be absorbed as well so chidori variations and even suiton dragon jutsu will be useless unless kakashi can use some KBs to take samehada away from kisame long enough to land a chidori.

lol no i dont think so,he can drain chakra,well i am not too sure but in the anime he did it to suigestu..

no in the manga he can only absorb visible chakra, he cannot absorb ninjutsu or anything else just pure raw chakra...

he cannot absorb any ninjutsu cause a ninjutsu was used to almost kill him once and his sword was useless in that matter...

no in the manga he can only absorb visible chakra, he cannot absorb ninjutsu or anything else just pure raw chakra...

he cannot absorb any ninjutsu cause a ninjutsu was used to almost kill him once and his sword was useless in that matter...
well if thats the case kakashi would win i am not too sure about this so ill go with what you say but if otherwise like kisame being able to drain chakra kakashi would lose

well if thats the case kakashi would win i am not too sure about this so ill go with what you say but if otherwise like kisame being able to drain chakra kakashi would lose

Im positive, the manga never showed kisame draining anything other then raw chakra, that was visible. by raw chakra i mean just chakra leaking outta ur body like with jinchuriki or if u add chakra into a weapon like asuma/kirabi shit like the can absorb.

here's a fight I would like to see: Gaara vs Suigetsu. Considering Suigetsu's water element and the effect it does on sand Gaara would be in serious trouble

Gaara has got more than sand. His wind techniques shd help out(only used by shikaku) if it remained in him. I'll go for Gaara.

Gaara vs Suigetsu

based on amount, Gaara has more sand than Suigetsu has water. Suigetsu can turn Gaara's sand into mud yes, but using his own body for that, and that would backfire on Suigetsu because His fluid motions would become crappy. Gaara takes this, Suigetsu doesn't stand a chance. Gaara 10-0 Suigetsu.

Gaara hasn't used anything BUT sand since he was introduced. That wind jutsu belonged to Shukaku alone lol. Gaara should be from the fucking rock village more than the sand.

Gaara caused a sand avalanche. No matter the amount of water suigetsu can produce, he's gonna get owned.

Gaara can produce sand from the minerals in the ground and the speed of conversion and the amount of sand produced by that ability will improve with time. Therefore, he virtually has a vast amount of sand at his disposal. Suigetsu, on the other hand cannot boast of anything similar and hence will always have a limited supply of water. So in that regard, Gaara has the advantage, and that is why he would take the fight 7-3.

Garra cannot use Wind he could only do a weak wind attack when he was in his shukaku form since shukaku left he has yet to show 1 wind attack...

It's a tricky fight suigetsu has the clear advantage but garra is smart he'd figure out that suigetsu can only hold it for so long and kill him.

Again, it depends on the location of the fight. If there is even a small water body nearby, then I would have to give the fight to Suigetsu...

^nope. the location doesnt matter as long us they do not fight in space. Gaara has the chakra to summon an insurmontable amt of sand to cover God knows what amt of space. Wetting the sand wont disturb him. He can control all types of sand both near and far. Gaara wins.

Right, Gaara can break down minerals from the earth and use it to create more sand, he's a fucking beast, Suigetsu doesn't stand a chance even WITH a decent body of water nearby.

Suigetsu gets owned by Gaara, I don't think Suigetsu could defeat Konohamaru. He used somebody elses sword, Zabuzas' then got it broken, only fodder nin uses others blade and gets it broken. He looked like a damn fool fighting with 1/4 of a sword, real characters would've either had their own, or switch to ninjutsu. He's one of the weakest shinobi in the entire manga in my personal opinion. Shii had his ass tweaking on electric shock therapy.

Are yall serious? Im a gaara fan, but all of his attacks rely on crushing the opponent which is Impossible since suigetsu becomes liquid anytime hes hit with too much force just as his arms liquidized when he blocked rais attack which ripped his arms off.

Gaara has no way of harming suigestu because he has no fire or raiton attacks which are the only known ways to harm suigetsu. It would just be a stalemate or perhaps suigetsu could seep into gaara defenses and attack him.

Still, most likly a stalemate where neither shinobi can do harm to the other.

^I dont see it like that. Suigetsu is definately gonna turn muddy if he comes into contact with a lot of sand with a lot of chakra infused in it, Gaara has the advantage there since Suigetsu is water and cant control mud.

If gaara did crush him and then sent the sand flying off for miles in different directions wouldn't that be instant death? Unless Segetsiu can reassemble all his body parts from that far away. And doesn't reassembling his body take chakra to do. It's not like he could do it infinitely, so gaara can keep crushing him until he dies.

From what I understand Suigetsu is like the T-1000 from T2. He can continueously reform himself. And its not like suigetsu would just let gaara constantly crush him until he figures out a strategy to seperate parts of suigetsu from himself.

SInce Gaara uses sand, suigetsu can soak in then reform once garra brings the sand back to his gourd and attack from behind.

Im not saying suigetsus going to beat Gaara, but I dont see gaara able to beat suigetsu either. I mean it took a point blank blast from the hachibi to actually KO suigetsu, but he was still unharmed physicly so gaara not going to have the power and attack necassary to actually KO or even harm suigetsu.

Here is a simple solution.

Gaara absorbs Suigetsu. Send the wet sand to the the earth's million degrees burning inner core. He's toast.

Cool battle.

Naruto at the last stage of the fight with Sasuke in part 1.

Vs

Naruto Base in Shippuden after fight with Kakuzu.

Cool battle.

Naruto at the last stage of the fight with Sasuke in part 1.

Vs

Naruto Base in Shippuden after fight with Kakuzu.

If ur refering to KN1 from part 1 vs base naruto from part 2 after wind training, shippuden naruto would own KN1 naruto because KN1 wasnt able to be sustained for very long and naruto could just simply throw KBs at KN1 until he wears down so bad naruto can just hit him with a rasengan ending the fight. No need for the FRS preSM.

How about the long talked about SM naruto vs Kisame (obviously with samehada) Naruto can go up to KN2, but after that its all the Kyuubi. Fight takes place in konaha crater where naruto fought pain and naruto cant summon fukasaku or shima because he never actually has shown shown that he can. And since narutos summoning skils are crap compared to his other sills I doubt he could do it anyways when hes always had so much trouble summoning the frog he intends.
(Also, SM can be asorbed from naruto externally, as can elemental chakra since KBs onvious raiton chakra was absorbed).

GO!!!

Sage chakra can be absorbed, but what im really curious is that samehada seems to be a living entity, therefore... what would happen if naruto feeds it natural energy?

Sage chakra can be absorbed, but what im really curious is that samehada seems to be a living entity, therefore... what would happen if naruto feeds it natural energy?

Samehada isnt HG realm of pain. Samhada will absorb the external Sage chakra from narutos rasengan, FRS, gusts of wind chakra and Kyuubi chakra tails. Not take chakra from naruto internally which can be unbalanced and turn samehada into a frog statue while the user is unharmed since hes not getting any of the unbalanced sage chakra.


If naruto unbalances his chakra so much it would tunr samehada into a frog statue then barutos going to become one as well.

Sage chakra can be absorbed, but what im really curious is that samehada seems to be a living entity, therefore... what would happen if naruto feeds it natural energy?

it would turn to stone, since you need proper training to handle it anyone who hasn't received it would be fucked..

samahada can't absorb it unless its visible the only thing it has been shown to absorb is pure raw chakra that's visible.. it cannot absorb ninjutsu at ALL nor can it absorb naruto's sage chakra unless naruto himself injects it with it...

Ur a dunce Myth!!!

HG realm continuouslu absorbed sage chakra rasengans and FRS and didnt tunr into a frog statue. But only until HG took chakra from naruto internally was naruto able to give HG realm the unbalanced chakra which turned him into a frog.

SM naruto cant do that to samehada with rasengans, FRS, ect because he would tunr into a frog as well. And since samehada doesnt absorb chakra form internally naruto cant do to him what he did to HG realm SO YES SAMEHADA WILL ABSORB ALL THE BALANCED SAGE CHAKRA RASENGANS, FRS HE LIKE AND BE JUST FINE.

Lol, Myth is infering just because he loves the shit out of naruto that even though his rasengans, FRSs are pure chakra or pure chakra/nature chakra which samehada can absorb as well (WHich was proved when KB raiton natured chakra was absorbed right off his sword dont argue it, it freaking happened, its no different then any other raiton nature chakra).

Naruto going to have nothing but frog katas to fight kisame with in SM which wont really do anything at all because kisame is as strong as naruto and will only get stronger the more sage chakra/kyuubi chakra samehada absorbs.

Naruto vs base kisame 5/5 could go either way with use of multiple summons.

However, kisamehada 8-2 SM naruto because naruto will be trapped and drown in no time flat in giant ball of water which he cant escape using taiju KB jutsu because it will upset the balance of the NE gathering clones which would cause them to disperese hitting naruto with too much NE which would tun him into a frog.

Sage chakra can be absorbed, but what im really curious is that samehada seems to be a living entity, therefore... what would happen if naruto feeds it natural energy?

also samahada is useless against ninjutsu as shown in the manga when jiraiya used toad stomach and samahada was actually being eaten up.. so yes against ninjutsu the sword is useless...

Yes samehada is useless against summoning ninjutsu, but can absorb elemental ninjutsu was prven when KBs raiton (not pure chakra as some deluded noobs would love to believe) was absorbed right off his sword.

So, naruto cant use any rasengans or FRS because they would be absorbed making kisame stronger which leaves frog katas which is null since samehadas 5ft reach vs naruto NE 6inch reach with frog katas.

Naruto could maybe beat base kisame using the same attack he used on hell pain (creatin smoke, having a henedged bushin get throw to absorb, then when samehada trie to absorb the bushin unhendges and holds down samehada. Then the real FRS comes in and kisame narrowly misses it only to be hit by naruto from above like hell did.)

Wait!!!

Kisame could still have samehada walk over, fuse with kisame then heal all his wounds to become kisamehada so that wont work after thinking about. The attack will land, but a mere rasengan wouldnt kill kisame so samehada could heal kisame.

lolwait, wasn't this discussed before?

at base kisame, smnaruto shitstomps.
at kisamehada, smnaruto will have difficult time because of the ocean summon, but kisame will still lose.

new fight:

Kakuzu + hidan vs Kisame + Samehada
battlefield: desert open area
restrictions: kakuzu will only do 2 things, spit out one chakra heart beast to give Hidan backup firepower ( you choose the element), & stitch Hidan once if needed. So basically it is Hidan vs Kisame, battle of the beheaded, with a little stipulation.
assumptions: Kisame can go all out. Kisame does not know anything about Hidan's jutsu. Hidan doesn't know that Kisame can fuse with Samehada.

ready? FIGHT!

lolwait, wasn't this discussed before?

at base kisame, smnaruto shitstomps.
at kisamehada, smnaruto will have difficult time because of the ocean summon, but kisame will still lose.

new fight:

Kakuzu + hidan vs Kisame + Samehada
battlefield: desert open area
restrictions: kakuzu will only do 2 things, spit out one chakra heart beast to give Hidan backup firepower ( you choose the element), & stitch Hidan once if needed. So basically it is Hidan vs Kisame, battle of the beheaded, with a little stipulation.
assumptions: Kisame can go all out. Kisame does not know anything about Hidan's jutsu. Hidan doesn't know that Kisame can fuse with Samehada.

ready? FIGHT!

Maybe on some crazy fanfiction where samehada all of a sudden cant absorb chakra anymore, but in the reality of the manga abilites presented by kishi narutos pure chakra/wind natured chakra jutsu will be absorbed and make useless while making kisame stronger.

WHich unfortuanly leaves SM naruto with nothing but frog katas which only offers naruto a NE 6inch reach while samehada offers kisame a 5ft reach lol.

And seeing as how kisame can just create a giant body of water in base form and create multiple suiton bushins who can all become water prisons then narutos style of fighting with power is going to do sqwuat unless samehada turns on kisame again which wouldnt happen lol.


U cant say kisame+samehada lol. Thats like saying, KB+the hachibi vs team hawk.

And seeing hows kakuzu realies on powerful elemental chakra nature attacks, he would lose. And sinc samehada can instantly heal kisame even if hidan uses his ritual it wont work and kisame can use his ocean summoning to wash away the ritual blood seal and take hidan off of land which makes it Impossible to make any other ritual seals in water.

Kisame 7-3 against team Immoratls.

lolwait, wasn't this discussed before?

at base kisame, smnaruto shitstomps.
at kisamehada, smnaruto will have difficult time because of the ocean summon, but kisame will still lose.

new fight:

Kakuzu + hidan vs Kisame + Samehada
battlefield: desert open area
restrictions: kakuzu will only do 2 things, spit out one chakra heart beast to give Hidan backup firepower ( you choose the element), & stitch Hidan once if needed. So basically it is Hidan vs Kisame, battle of the beheaded, with a little stipulation.
assumptions: Kisame can go all out. Kisame does not know anything about Hidan's jutsu. Hidan doesn't know that Kisame can fuse with Samehada.

ready? FIGHT!

yeah it was discussed before when the entire naruto section proved samahada is useless against ninjutsu, I just pointed some stuff out to thor..

Ok.
Battle of the bitches.

Tsunade + Sakura + Shizune

Vs

Anko + Hinata + Ino + Tenten + Temari + Tayuya + Kurenai

Everything showed up until now.

Go, everything is allowed, even hair pulling!

3 people vs. 7 people is kind of unfair. It leads to a lot of double teaming.

Tsunade is strong but Anko and kurenai(I assume you mean before she got knocked up) together should be enough to beat her.

Sakura has a lot of strength, but she's all close range. Tenten could soften her up with long range attacks, especially with her massive weapon summoning scrolls. Hinata can wait for an opening and hit her with her gentle fist style and close her chakra points in her hands. Sakura without her chakra enhanced punches is then useless.

Shizune hasn't had a lot of manga feats. All that is really known about her is that she's jounin level and about equal to kabuto or maybe a little weaker. Temari and Tayuya each could fight evenly with her. Them together could mop the floor with her.

As for Ino, well she wouldn't even have to fight for her team to win. Not like her fodder ass could do much anyway.

So IMHO it would be team tsunade 1-9 team anko.

PS: Not that team tsunade is weak or anything, their just outnumbered to much to have a chance. If they had 2 more decent members then it would be way different.

yeah it was discussed before when the entire naruto section proved samahada is useless against ninjutsu, I just pointed some stuff out to thor..

U and a couple more narutards bias deluded Oppinions<<<<<<<Manga feats!!!!

Elemental ninjutsu<samehada, proved!

Pure chakra<samehada, Proved.

Sage chakra rasengans, FRS ect<HG realms same ability to absorb the attacks without turning into a frog statue so then sage chakra rasengans,FRS<samehada!

Manga feats>>>>>>bias deluded oppinions all day every day.

lol, samehada absorbing FRS is nuts. If Kisame tries, Naruto can remote control it to explode when in proximity. Kisame will be shredded instead of just beheaded.

lol, samehada absorbing FRS is nuts. If Kisame tries, Naruto can remote control it to explode when in proximity. Kisame will be shredded instead of just beheaded.

Raiton couldnt pierce samehada before it was absorbed so the fuuton as well would be absorbed before any damage is inflicted. And since the other half of the FRS is pure rasengan chakra then that as well will be absorbed.

Samehada is able to absorb 6tails at once in almost an instant so the FRS wont be shit at all.

Why act like somehow naruto chakra or elemental chakra jutsu would be any different because hes the main character?

if FRS explodes, it is like a nuke without the mushroom. If that happens and Kisame is within the perimeter, you think Samehada can suck all those explosions if they are already engulfed in FRS explosion? think.

lol, samehada absorbing FRS is nuts. If Kisame tries, Naruto can remote control it to explode when in proximity. Kisame will be shredded instead of just beheaded.

Naruto can't remote control his rasenshuriken to explode, imo. If he could do that, then he would use it against Pein at the end of their fight when Pein dodged his rasenshuriken, right?
Rasenshuriken explodes coz it's unstable so when it leaves Naruto's hand it has a time clock until it explodes. Granted, maybe Naruto can control the time needed for rasenshuriken to explode by dosing the chakra spin he gives into the rasenshuriken, but that's in theory atm.
Anyway, Naruto vs Kisame would be an epic fight, I gives Naruto 50 percent chance to win.

samahada cannot absorb ninjutsu only regular chakra...

anything containing spatial recomposition is a jutsu anything containing a jutsu with an element is ninjutsu.. samahada can only absorb pure chakra.. I don't what kyf is writing but don't pay attention half the naruto section shitted on him in this argument kids a fucking tool plain and simple.

Naruto can't remote control his rasenshuriken to explode, imo. If he could do that, then he would use it against Pein at the end of their fight when Pein dodged his rasenshuriken, right?

Naruto can expand and ignite the deadly needles of Rasen Shuriken if he throws it in Sage Mode.. However, when Naruto used two Rasen Shuriken against Pain at once, his Sage Mode was zapped. Remember only two Rasen Shuriken per Sage Mode. When Naruto used it the first time against Pain, he still had a bit of Sage Chakra left for manipulation.

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-432/page005.html

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-432/page006.html

Now if you look below, he's already out of Sage Mode V

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-442/page006.html

My guess is that his controllability over the jutsu is no more. So the timing and precision over the ignition of Rasen Shuriken is probably left up to how long the jutsu is stable, which would explain why it cut through a montain and then later exploded elswhere.

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-442/page009.html

why r ppl arguing naruto vs kisame its the same thing as arguing itachi vs konahamru... naruto would fucking peal the skin off kisame.. and samahada would betray kisame cause naruto got the kyuubi.. nuff said..

Naruto at base can handle Kisame effortlessly.If he went Sage Mode,then the fight is over before it even started.

Naruto at base can handle Kisame effortlessly

Yeah, you're exaggerating a bit there.

I'am i really exaggerating.Think about it,Naruto at base was able to hold off Pein until he got back to Sage Mode again.And i'am sure That Pein is stronger than Kisame.

That line of thought makes no sense.

By your logic base Naruto would own Itachi since he held Deva at bay for a few moments while not in SM.

Wait a minute....I never said Itachi was weaker than Pein.

Its widely excepted that he is. Based on feats Pein > Itachi, only a few die hard Itachi fans dispute it .

My point is simple: Just because Naruto fought Deva at base for a few moments before entering SM again and didn't die, doesn't mean he can beat Kisame with his base abilites alone.

Manga feats suggest otherwise.

This thread turned to shit the very first time KYF posted in it..

The point that i'am trying to get through is Kisame vs. Pein who wins....Pein,without effort...Why do i say without effort,because Pein is far much stronger than Kisame.Now Naruto defeated the person that is far much stronger than Kisame with a little more than minimum difficulty...So,IMO base Naruto can handle Kisame.

base naruto without kyuubi would be stomped by lkisame and samehada...but when he goes half-kyuubi-mode, i think samehada would attach itself to naruto, cause kyuubi > hachibi

Base naruto wouldn't lose to kisame but it would be a hard fight of him same shit for sasgay, but when they would both use their hax they'd obliterate the poor guy. not to mention as someone above said all naruto has to do is juice samahda a bit with kyuubi chakra and that shit will run to naruto...

samahada cannot absorb ninjutsu only regular chakra...

anything containing spatial recomposition is a jutsu anything containing a jutsu with an element is ninjutsu.. samahada can only absorb pure chakra.. I don't what kyf is writing but don't pay attention half the naruto section shitted on him in this argument kids a fucking tool plain and simple.

I repeat! Bias deluded narutards<<<<<<<<Manga feats!!!!

Ur retarted interpritations of the manga are null Myth so go to a one piece vs thread with ur lack of logic and basic use of the frontal lobe.

Fact! Kisame absorbed KBs raiton nature chakra right off his sword before it could do any damage, fact. So, elemetal nature chakra (raiton, fuuton, katon, doton and suiton) will be absorbed by samehada so get over it.

Dont llet Myths bias posts fool u guys. The amount of spatial recomposistion involved in the making of a ful body bijuu cloak and tails is rediculous. Granted its perform by the bijuu, but myths gay logic that anything with spatial recompisition cant be absorbed is just plain retarted since the tails are absorbed.

The point that i'am trying to get through is Kisame vs. Pein who wins....Pein,without effort...Why do i say without effort,because Pein is far much stronger than Kisame.Now Naruto defeated the person that is far much stronger than Kisame with a little more than minimum difficulty...So,IMO base Naruto can handle Kisame.

Pain would not win without effort lol. Granted pain would win, but not after a hard long fight against someone that coud actaully out last him in a fight.

And naruto isnt, wasnt stronger then pain. Even with help from the whole frog clan he still got captured despite pain already burning a ton of chakra and only HG and deva realm still around. Naruto still got captured, until hinata saved naruto by getting pwned which allowed him to go kyuubi and win the fight later on.

Pain>SM naruto still! In a fair 1 on 1 naruto wouldnt stand a chance even in SM. Not until naruto learns the FTG will he finally be able to take down pain on his own IMO.


Anyways, samehada can and would absorbd naruto rasengans, FRSs, ect. And with only two KBs to work with in SM with frog katas hes not going to stand much of a chance.

Simply because frog katas 6inch reach<<samehada 5ft reach!

Naruto honestly stands a better chance in base mode since he would be able to use multi shadow clone jutsu, but naruto isnt about to wear kisame down with constant attacks on the water where kisame fights.

Kisames just a bad opponent for naruto because almsot all his attacks are null, kisames just a physicly strong an can acutally out last naruto in stamina.

so now that kyf's fail has been proved here too we can move on.. then again there is no moving any thread kyf throws his shit cents into the thread dies right off the bat.

Let me translate Myths Yule tide fail for the rest of the forum.

B-O-O-H-O-O! This didnt happenhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/470/16/

B-O-O-H-O-O! Sage chakra rasengan couldnt turn one into a frog so samehada>rasenaganhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/377/14/

And even the FRS couldnt turn anyone into a frog so samehada>FRShttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/433/11/

And so with rasengans and FRS useless because samehada will just absorb them becoming even stronger narutos only left with frog katas in SM. However, frog katas gave naruto a 6inch reach with his punhces only, not kickeshttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/431/13/

Meanwhile samehada gives kisame a 5 ft reachhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/471/03/

See how KB with a 3ft sword couldnt even touch kisame lol so samehada>frog katas.

As for bute strength. We know naruto can throw a boss summon, but his hitting force in comparison isnt even close. But kisame has a huge smount of brute strength as well which is shown by him tearing through a mountain at 30% without using doton stylehttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/255/16/
andhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/255/18/

And kisames sriking force while only at 30% with one arm was enough to overwhelm Gaihttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/258/08/

And gai brute strength is pretty big too as seen here with a one arm attackhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/117/09/

So gai, who can 1inch punch a guy through a 1ft thick concrete wall gets overwhelmed by kisames 1 arm sword attack a 30% says alot.

All narutos left with is KBs and in SM he can perform 2, then about 5 at the end. However, kisame fights on a lake of waterhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/256/04-05/

ANd while on that water kisame can very quickly make bushins to fight and even use those bushin for traps as seen herehttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/257/14/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/257/17/

And thenhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/257/18/

Conclusion: Kisame is just too much for naruto without the FTG even in SM. And the since naruto rasengans, FRS, frog katas are useless then narutos only chance of winning is in base mode with thousands of bushins so he doesnt get drown in a water prison trying to attack with 2 other SM KBs.

So, in base mode naruto could maybe beat kisame in base mode using strategy like he did against kakuzu or pain. But, naruto MS or base cant beat kisamehada in his mountain sized water prison. Kisame could easily use his speed the the prison to wipe out any extra KBs created and stil absorb any rasnegans as well until naruto runs out of breath.




EDIT: random, but these summon smoke patterns are exactly the same as minatos showing undeniably minato used the FTG to save kakashi

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/377/01/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/240/08/
and thishttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/240/09/

Ha Haaaaaaaa, more tears for Myths fail!!!

Ryanisc001 vs MAI

i think no question by far, ryanisc001 clutches this
He teloports and has super sonic eyebeams
so ryanisc001 FTW!

Ryanisc001 vs MAI

i think no question by far, ryanisc001 clutches this
He teloports and has super sonic eyebeams
so ryanisc001 FTW!

I say the other guy wins.

Naruto can expand and ignite the deadly needles of Rasen Shuriken if he throws it in Sage Mode.. However, when Naruto used two Rasen Shuriken against Pain at once, his Sage Mode was zapped. Remember only two Rasen Shuriken per Sage Mode. When Naruto used it the first time against Pain, he still had a bit of Sage Chakra left for manipulation.



You're right there, that made my argument void, but still in manga they didn't say that Naruto has that remote control of rasenshuriken, so I'll wait for his next fight or until they point it out. But, you could be right about this, together with poolangya.


Kisame vs Naruto

First of all, I acknowledge that Naruto is strong. There is no denying that. But so is Kisame.

Naruto at his base form can't beat Kisame. Kisame can create mass water prison and that way be a lot faster than Naruto, suck the chakra from rasengan with his sword, and do other water jutsus as well, water canon and water sharks, water clones. Kisame has a lot of chakra just like Naruto does so Naruto won't be outlasting him in this fight. Also Kisame has super strength as KYF proved before.

Naruto in sage mode is stronger, he can tank damage, gets super strength, and he can create throwable rasenshuriken.
But sage mode has a time limit. And when it disappears in the middle of the fight it becomes a serious problem for Naruto. Kisame can take serious injuries and heal himself by fusing with his sword, so it's not impossible for Kisame to survive a blast form rasenshuriken.

Naruto has no control over the kyubi chakra and the forming of the tails, so unless Kisame does something that will enrage Naruto, you can count the kyuubi out.

So you see, you see... Naruto is not as invincible as you fans want him to be, though he's a lot stronger than my favorite character. Also, if Kisame wanted Killerbee dead, Killerbee would be dead, but Kisame needed him captured, that's why he employed the tactic of longsome chakra sucking.

Orochimaru and Kabuto

vs

Kirabi and Raikage

Which tag team wins?

Kirabi and Raikage

Orochimaru and Kabuto

vs

Kirabi and Raikage

Which tag team wins?

Well oro's a bad ass for sure, but I doubt kabuto skills would be much help to him in this fight. His medical jutsus are almost worthless. Him disguising dead bodies wont do any good. His chakra scalpel wont penetrate Raiton armor. Maybe he could rewire their nervous system like he did tsunade, but they both have lightning nature chakra so it might not work on them. If either KB or Rai hit him on good time it's instant kill.

So really it's come down to Oro being tag teamed. I think he could handle one of them but both is too much. The only good option he has is using edo tensei to summon up support, however that has to be prepared ahead of time. Also oro could poison them in his white snake form although I think they would kill him before he has the chance.

Oro and kabufail 2-8 brothers of destruction

It's all Kluang's fault! and if confirmed didnt confirm anything, we'd all be dead.

It's all Kluang's fault! and if confirmed didnt confirm anything, we'd all be dead.

You speak in riddles my friend, I will have none of that.

I agree with what has been said, Oro and Kabuto lack the raw power the black brothers have. That means they would both run away from Kira bee and Raikage if they survive long enough to understand they are weaker. Then Orochimaru, vengeful as he is, would return after he completes the preparations for the undead summoning (meaning he would use human sacrifices) and summon some kages from the past to help him. But otherwise raikage and killerbee win.

dont know what you mean, dumb one but i need this account banned. if you know another way, let me know.

dont know what you mean, dumb one but i need this account banned. if you know another way, let me know.

That's simple. Just PM a mod and call them a cock sucker. That should do it;)

Raichu and KB would ass rape Oro and Kabuto any day of the week, next fight please.

naruke=klung........

I say the other guy wins.



You're right there, that made my argument void, but still in manga they didn't say that Naruto has that remote control of rasenshuriken, so I'll wait for his next fight or until they point it out. But, you could be right about this, together with poolangya.


Kisame vs Naruto

First of all, I acknowledge that Naruto is strong. There is no denying that. But so is Kisame.

Naruto at his base form can't beat Kisame. Kisame can create mass water prison and that way be a lot faster than Naruto, suck the chakra from rasengan with his sword, and do other water jutsus as well, water canon and water sharks, water clones. Kisame has a lot of chakra just like Naruto does so Naruto won't be outlasting him in this fight. Also Kisame has super strength as KYF proved before.

Naruto in sage mode is stronger, he can tank damage, gets super strength, and he can create throwable rasenshuriken.
But sage mode has a time limit. And when it disappears in the middle of the fight it becomes a serious problem for Naruto. Kisame can take serious injuries and heal himself by fusing with his sword, so it's not impossible for Kisame to survive a blast form rasenshuriken.

Naruto has no control over the kyubi chakra and the forming of the tails, so unless Kisame does something that will enrage Naruto, you can count the kyuubi out.

So you see, you see... Naruto is not as invincible as you fans want him to be, though he's a lot stronger than my favorite character. Also, if Kisame wanted Killerbee dead, Killerbee would be dead, but Kisame needed him captured, that's why he employed the tactic of longsome chakra sucking.

Agreed!

Narutos rasengans, frs, frog katas are all useless thanks to samehadas chakra/elemental chakra absorbing ability and then the 5ft reach>frog katas 6inch reach which leaves naruto with 2 KBs usage in SM which just the right number for kisame to emply his suiton bushin/water prision trap jutsu like he did against neji, lee and tenten so narutos just not going to do to well against kisame.

Orochimaru and Kabuto

vs

Kirabi and Raikage

Which tag team wins?

Raikage could solo Oro and kabuto easily with his speed.

KB in tailed forms can do the same, but in base form would need rais help. Still, Oro and kabuto just shit stomped.

Some people here keep forgeting that Oro went head to head with a mad 4tail naruto when he was sick. Oro is a beast whose only weakness is not being able to sustain genjutsu.

That fact is very irrelevant, A>B>C so A>C argument is not a good one to use in situations like these. Don't you think Raichu is used to dealing with tailed hosts?? Considering that his brother is one and I'm sure they sparred together and have fought together. Raichu knows how to handle Bijuu thanks to his brother (or at least he should know), so Oro would get shit stomped from here to the rock village.

Danzou vs Madara

Danzou vs Madara

pls don't.
We haven't seen anything from both of them yet!

what about Rock Lee vs. Sakura

Rock Lee's way too fast for Sakura, him with his weights on > Sakura's max speed lmao. Without the weights, too fast, gated Lee?? He'll destroy her, her only offense against him is her super human strength and that won't do shit against him if she can't even lay a finger on him.

Anko vs. Ten Ten

karin vs shizune

Sage Naruto vs Jiraiya

who wins?

Anko hands down

Karin

Sage Naruto

Anko, she has snake hands and she is also precise with kunais.

Shizune, she has some poison attack (needles and gas) while Karin is just a sensor type that Sasuke is using as his tool.

Jiraiya can sustain his hermit mode longer than Naruto can be in sage mode, so that would mean Jiraiya gets the ma and pa frog since he needs them and he gets the advantage in my book.

The way i see it Anko wins but with little difficulty.Karin wins cuz although u said Shizune has poison attacks,Karin can heal herself.And Jiraiya vs Sage Naruto,Sage Naruto wins because,he has one thing that j-man dosen't have in sage mode.....Frog Katas.That and Naruto's incredible stamina,so Naruto wins.

Sage Naruto's main advantage is that he goes around with a couple of sage naruto clones and he can put a big offensive that way, but Jiraiya also made a clone while in hermit mode I think, but if the Ma and Pa frog summons go to Jiraiya and not Naruto then Jiraiya has a little more chances to win, but if we make it that both Naruto and Jiraiya get those summons then it's Naruto maybe. But in any case Jiraiya is no chump, if he can avoid Naruto's attacks for long enough then he takes it since like I said Naruto's sage mode is shorter than Jiraiya's.

Yamato vs. Shikaku.

Yamato vs. Shikaku.

Gogo Yamato!!!

So Yamato vs Shikamaru's dad? Idk, I would think he's a better version of Shika but I couldn't really say on this.

Based on not knowing anything about shikaku Yamato wins, all that we know is that Shikaku kicked shikmaru's ass in Shogi weather that means he's smarter or just better at the game idk... prob is since shika gotta get his smarts from someone.

So Yamato vs Shikamaru's dad? Idk, I would think he's a better version of Shika but I couldn't really say on this.

Thats an aweful fight since shikaku or w/e his name is has even less manga feats then yamato.

How about Minato (can only use rasengan, summon bunta and the FTG. No super shushin because he never even used such a thing) vs Pain?

In Konaha crater, GO!

Dude...You can't be serious,Minato wins in a heartbeat.I know Pain is no pushover,but you just can't compete with someone who has FTG.

Pain probably wins against Minato. 6 bodies is a terrible haxx.

In all honesty I can't think of a person in this manga who can compete with Pain fair and square (if 6 vs 1 is fair, which isn't but nvm) beside people who can control the Kyuubi.

Minato is skill haxx though, so he could maybe pull a win.

Minato in that situation could win but Pain has the adv so I will say Pain... If you add Minato's regular speed he used to get to kakashi and tag the other fucker weather it was shunshin or just base super speed.. then minato would win hands down.. not because he's so much stronger or better but just because his speed is on a whole other level then anything we've seen so far. This fights stupid though cause we don't know shit about minato...

Better fight:

Pain only 3 realms (Animal,God,Demon) Vs Sasori and Kakashi....

Area: Konoha Crater

Each can use what we have seen thus far...

The question is if minato could tag the realms before they get him. ANd with the limited info about minato that says hes only capable of using the rasengan, FTG and bunta. Hes going to be in the fight of his life IMO.

Especialy since minato has such a rep in the shinobi world. Pain would want to end him wiht a quickness beofre he can use his special jutsu. Deva could just Bansho tenin him up and have the other ralms tag skewer his ass like they did against Jman and theres not really anything minato could do.

If minato could atg all six then they wont live for more then 10 seconds lol, but pain should know all about minato if madara who fought him as well did too so pain wouldnt allow minato to get close enough to tag any of the realms IMO.

EDIT: Yea, pain 1 on 1 could beat just about anyone in this manga whos lving or has lived exept RS himself.

Then again, after thinking about itachis tsukuyomi which attacks the spirit and psyche of the enemy. If itachi used tsukuyomi on even one of pains realms, then nagato himself would be put in tsukuyomi, tortured for 3 days then comatosed meaning the pain realms colapse as well. So, obviously because of how tsukuyomi works and nagato uses his RG (tranfers his spirit and mind into the bodies to control them). Itachi could be the only one shinobi who could actaully beat him one on one with his tsukuyomis special ability lol.

Just more proof as to how badass itachi even deathly ill was.

Pain(3 realms).

Sasori has poison mastery that proves deadly but demon realm can revive the dead, so that reverses Sasori's attack.

Kakashi couldn't face god realm alone,and if there were 3 of them..Well let's just say its obvious wat comes next.Animal realm can summon creatures,so that would put Sasori and Kakashi at a disadvantage due to being outnumbered.

And,god realm spams Shinra Tensei,so even with Kakashi's speed,he can't avoid it.

But Sasori uses Iron Sand,so i think he could last a while in the battle if he used it.

Pain(3 realms).

Sasori has poison mastery that proves deadly but demon realm can revive the dead, so that reverses Sasori's attack.

Kakashi couldn't face god realm alone,and if there were 3 of them..W

no no demon realm is the robot fucker hell realm is the 1 that revives.

Oh sorry,my bad:p

M

Pain only 3 realms (Animal,God,Demon) Vs Sasori and Kakashi....

Area: Konoha Crater

Each can use what we have seen thus far...

Sasori and Kakashi win this, Sasori takes care of the summons and the robo Pein and gravity Pein, Kakashi makes one clone and back stabs the animal realm to stop the summons. Then the robo Pein gets trampled by combined effort from 100 puppets and Kakashi while Deva realm stands aside. By then Kakashi and Sasori know of the 5 sec interval Deva Pein has because he used the gravity on Sasori's puppets and on Kakashi's water clone. Then Deva realm summons a black hole to destroy the area and Kakashi dies. His last thoughts are "this too much".
Among many destroyed puppets scattered across the ground Sasori rises coz he put his heart container in a back up puppet when Deva realm started to do his finishing move. Sasori solos the worn out Pein after that.

Also Minato vs six bodies of Pein, Minato could win since he has that teleport thingy and if he can make kage bunshins then he could definitely win without problems but if he has no kage bunshins then Pein wins.

Sasori and Kakashi win this, Sasori takes care of the summons and the robo Pein and gravity Pein, Kakashi makes one clone and back stabs the animal realm to stop the summons. Then the robo Pein gets trampled by combined effort from 100 puppets and Kakashi while Deva realm stands aside. By then Kakashi and Sasori know of the 5 sec interval Deva Pein has because he used the gravity on Sasori's puppets and on Kakashi's water clone. Then Deva realm summons a black hole to destroy the area and Kakashi dies. His last thoughts are "this too much".
Among many destroyed puppets scattered across the ground Sasori rises coz he put his heart container in a back up puppet when Deva realm started to do his finishing move. Sasori solos the worn out Pein after that.

Also Minato vs six bodies of Pein, Minato could win since he has that teleport thingy and if he can make kage bunshins then he could definitely win without problems but if he has no kage bunshins then Pein wins.

I don't think it'd be that easy for sasori and kakashi... Demon realm can't really be effected by poison since he's just mechanical and he is pretty fast since he got rocket boots or jet boots or w/e.... Animal realm would keep spamming shit that could be very problematic but sasori's poison can prob put em away...

this would be a really tough fight and i honestly don't know who to give it to which is why i posted it to see ppl's opinions.

Better fight:

Pain only 3 realms (Animal,God,Demon) Vs Sasori and Kakashi....

Area: Konoha Crater

Each can use what we have seen thus far...


Since kakashi obviously has the skill to solo deva realm, then sasori can take on demon and animal.

And with the thrid kazekages iron sand laced with deadly poison and able to defend and attack. i dont see demon and three summons living very long before theyre poisoned and paralysed just before they die.

So, with kakashi soloing deva and using the same ambush he was going to use before to beat deva. It should be kakashi and sasaori 8-2 three pain realms IMO.

Pain.

Asura realm is like Sasori, except he dont have 100 puppets. But he is like a freaking Gundam. 100 puppets can be countered by his stinger missiles or that laser beam. Even Sasori used the third kazekage, Asura should stay behind and spam every arsenal on him until Deva is finish with Kakashi.

Animal Realm will provide cover for both of them with summoning that bird that shit bombs from it's ass.

Thats an aweful fight since shikaku or w/e his name is has even less manga feats then yamato.

How about Minato (can only use rasengan, summon bunta and the FTG. No super shushin because he never even used such a thing) vs Pain?

In Konaha crater, GO!

In a situation like this, does he even need "manga feats" to fight against Yamato? He's already a skilled Jounin, thanks to the IoK arc during P1, he showed some skills, while it might have been against fodder nin, it was still against ninjas who could've killed him had he fucked up. He's Shika's dad dude, that alone gives him a manga feat, meaning he's a better Shikamaru, has a fuck ton more experience than him also. Might not be as IQ-ish smart as him, but he's definitely better.

How about Kakashi, Gai and Yamato vs Sasuke, Karin, Suigetsu and Yugo?

Kakashi,Gai,and Yamato.

How about Kakashi, Gai and Yamato vs Sasuke, Karin, Suigetsu and Yugo?

considering sasuke is the only 1 on that team capable of doing anything rofll yeah kakashi and the others win HANDS DOWN...

it's basically 3 vs sasuke and with yamato able to control earth and have mokuton he can make tree roots pop up from under sasuke even if he is in susanoo...

Gai solos by opening gates and cockslashing at 300/kh !!!!

How about Kakashi, Gai and Yamato vs Sasuke, Karin, Suigetsu and Yugo?
lmao at this 1 sided fight.

Yamato fights suigetsu and karin. Suigetsu thinks he's going to be clever, so he turns into water to attack from underground. Yamato makes a huge wooden table out of trees which karin instinctively jumps under. Sugetsu gets sucked into the tree roots while the table falls on karin. They both die instantly:D

Yugo gets pissed that Gai can't remember his name and goes CS2. Gai open up his gates and shows he even more insane the yugo, and kicks his ass.

They then all team up on sasuke. Yamato makes a huge wodden paddle. Kakashi holds sasuke over his knee while gai spanks his ass with it. Sasuke cries so hard his tear glands actually stop working and he never goes emo again:cool:.

Kakashi's team is kinda stronger but Suigetsu (turns into water) and Yugo (becomes a monster) can tank some damage before they're done so since Gai and Yamato attack with physical attacks maybe Suigetsu and Yugo can stall them long enough for Sasuke to finish Kakashi with amateratsu or tsukuyomi, but since Kakashi likes to make diversions of himself with clones, that is not likely. So Kakashi's team has much better chances to win especially since Sasuke showed all his moves to the kage council so Kakashi would be informed. And if all goes wrong Gai can always open the gates and pwn everyone in the area except for Sasuke probably (protects himself with susano or escapes some other way).

Also Sasuke is pretty fast so he could help his teammates with his lightning style taijutsu and quick reactions (creates a situation two on one) if the fight turns to mayhem so imo team hawk has a chance to win.

Karin useless....

Suigetsu a fucking rookie

Juugo has no brain


This is sasuke all alone and sasuke can't beat 3 of them he doesn't have the raw power nor chakra supply to do it.... plus yamamto can reach him from underneath susanoo by having roots grow under sasuke...

OK, time to be serious.

Suigetsu does have a few water attacks, but he mostly relies on his sword. Yamato aside from his wood jutsu is good with both water and earth elements. Since earth>water Yamato has the advantage. I seriously think if suigetsu in water form got sucked up by one of yamato's trees it would be instant death for him. Not to mention if they fight in a forest area yamato could plant a seed on his enemies and track them all at once. Kakashi summons up his dog pack to sniff out team hawk. So it would be near impossible for team hawk to hide and try an ambush style attack. Of course yugo can talk to birds to find kakashi too so there even in that aspect.

Gai's taijutsu with 6 gates open is far stronger then yugo's CS2 so that's a no brainer. Yamato can use wood to restrain yugo so gai can beat his ass. Not that gai wouldn't be fast enough to catch him himself.

Sasuke will be the only hard opponent, and that's only if he keeps spamming MS techs. His regular Sharingan genjutu won't be anything to worry about. Kakashi can withstand it, Gai invented his own anti-Sharingan fighting style, and yamato can use wood clones which would be immune from genjutsu. Susanoo is easy to fight against. As long as sasuke has it going it's draining his chakra. So it would be best to not do anything. Just stay on the defensive and dodge his attacks. Save your chakra, while he wastes his. When he finally can't sustain it that's when they all 3 attack him. Gai's no-eye-contact fighting style would make Tsukuyomi useless on him, plus if he attacks from the front with gates open he should be fast enough to dodge amaterasu. Yamato attacks with wood from behind and kakashi uses kamui from a safe distance. Between the 3 they should be more then enough to take sasuke down.

OK, time to be serious.

Suigetsu does have a few water attacks, but he mostly relies on his sword. Yamato aside from his wood jutsu is good with both water and earth elements. Since earth>water Yamato has the advantage. I seriously think if suigetsu in water form got sucked up by one of yamato's trees it would be instant death for him. Not to mention if they fight in a forest area yamato could plant a seed on his enemies and track them all at once. Kakashi summons up his dog pack to sniff out team hawk. So it would be near impossible for team hawk to hide and try an ambush style attack. Of course yugo can talk to birds to find kakashi too so there even in that aspect.

Gai's taijutsu with 6 gates open is far stronger then yugo's CS2 so that's a no brainer. Yamato can use wood to restrain yugo so gai can beat his ass. Not that gai wouldn't be fast enough to catch him himself.

Sasuke will be the only hard opponent, and that's only if he keeps spamming MS techs. His regular Sharingan genjutu won't be anything to worry about. Kakashi can withstand it, Gai invented his own anti-Sharingan fighting style, and yamato can use wood clones which would be immune from genjutsu. Susanoo is easy to fight against. As long as sasuke has it going it's draining his chakra. So it would be best to not do anything. Just stay on the defensive and dodge his attacks. Save your chakra, while he wastes his. When he finally can't sustain it that's when they all 3 attack him. Gai's no-eye-contact fighting style would make Tsukuyomi useless on him, plus if he attacks from the front with gates open he should be fast enough to dodge amaterasu. Yamato attacks with wood from behind and kakashi uses kamui from a safe distance. Between the 3 they should be more then enough to take sasuke down.

I would say kakashi team wins also but @myth u really think the wood could come under susanoo with out sasuke knowing it coming I mean he already made yamato look bad without trying I'm just asking.plus we know kakashi can be cought with tsukuyomi, and also if guy open the 8 gate he could die. But in the end once you take out time hawk its jus a matter of to many powerful ninja vs one very powerful ninja and the number gets the best of it but it would be more taxing then we all think on kakashis team

Torune vs Yamato

Both can fight at range. Yamato can easily subdue and capture Torune due to his wood attacks. he can also attack at that range, piercing wood can do the trick. but so does Torune, Torune can capture Yamato from afar with bugs, and can also attack from that range. At range, Torune has a wider range because of the bugs, but Battling in a forest also increases Yamato's range. At range, i'd say they have equal chances of winning. Melee combat is a no-no for Yamato. If they engage in melee, Torune would surely win. based on this circumstances, Torune 7-3 Yamato.

Torune vs Neji.
Aburame vs Hyuga. If Neji was battling Shino, he has chances of winning. but he's battling Torune, and fighting Torune with that kind of technique he has at melee range, Neji would surely lose. Torune is like Hidan in this scenario. Simply fighting him at close range puts the enemy at the highest risk of losing. And Neji is a melee fighter. Even if he is a taijutsu monster, His fighting style puts him at a disadvantage against someone who can kill with just a touch. Torune wins this. Torune 9-1 Neji.

I think neji could win becuz the neno bugs feed on chakra rite well neji has bg and he can see the netwrok also.therefore neji knows where he can touch or hit to take a person out with one move. I know you say if he touchs torune then he's infacted ture but couldn't he just cut off his chakra so that the bugs won't take him out I mean he might lose an arm but not his life,plus I'm sure someone in the auburame clan has the cure.

Juugo has a brain, he was the only rational one in the fight against Raichu as soon as Sasuke rushed in like rambo. After he went CS2, then he lost his sanity.

@Uchihawiz, in his defense yamato wasn't serious that fight yes obviously sasuke is stronger now.... but its 3 jounin kakashi who is super smart in battle and out and knows sasuke...

you got gai who can open 6 gates and move at incredible speeds way faster then sauske, and you got yamato who has 3 element at his disposal..

The wood would get sasuke because he wouldn't expect it how would sasuke know yamato would have the roots grow out from under him while he's in susano, he wouldn;'t know...

If sasuke had more chakra and more raw power he may have been able to pull out a victory but he's more finesse and now spamming only his mks.. he would beat them 3 on 1 and i say 3 on 1 because the other 3 are so shitty they aren't even worth mentioning .

I don't even think KYF would say sasuke would win... then again u can expect anything from him.

3 vs 4?

karin is useless. out
juugo is a monster, has cs2 and cs2 cero. but yamato can restrain him. tough kid, but yamato is enough for him.
suigetsu is a tanker. but seeing him perform in taijutsu sword fight with kisame is enough for me to know that gai can take him in a taijutsu. gai will have a hard time surely since suigetsu is made up of water, but yamato and kakashi is there to assist.

sadly, team taka could have been strong, but they don't have the skills to do decent teamwork against the 3 jounins of konoha. sasuke is the only real opponent here. 1 against 2 sasuke can win. but fighting 3 at once will be sasuke's limit. the 3 jounin's skills are one of the best combos there can be in naruverse. yamato can catch, restrain, and hold an opponent from afar. Gai has insane taijutsu and knows how to deal with basic sharingan foresight plus he has gates which can arguably be better than cs2 and sm. and kakashi, fanboying aside, kakashi is clearly smart enough to find a way and deal with sasuke. if team taka can find a way to reduce those 3 into just 2 active fighters, they might win. but if not, they lose big time.
taka 3-7 kakashi+gai+yamato. team jounin wins.

Sasuke himself will get easily pwned by kakashi's team no problem. They have all the tools to do so. They all know how to fight a sharingan user. If it's 2 or more then 1 comes from the front and the other(s) come from different angles. To me Gai is the perfect person to attack from the front. He's fast enough (with gates) to dodge amaterasu, and he can avoid eye contact, which negates genjutsu. Kakashi and yamato fuck him up with Kamui and wood jutsu.

And yes, I also believe sasuke's incomplete susanoo could be breached by an underground attack like wood, but if he uses a complete susanoo like itachi did then NO.

I have a perfect team match:

Shikamaru, Ino, Shino and Kankuro vs Danzo's two bodyguards (the one with bugs and Ino's uncle)

how about oro vs kakashi

i say oro

and if its already been said

Gaara vs oro

i say gaara

Gara vs Oro is one has absolute defense and a wide area offense and the other is constantly regenerating and changing his body size. Of course if Oro can break the defense he wins, if Gara can kill Oro he wins.

Kakashi would still get beat by Oro despite his growth since part 1. Kakashi could use kamui to kill oro, but he'd have to hit him in the head to be effective. After all oro did get cut in half by Kn4 naruto and just laughed about it. So if kamui hits anywhere besides his head then oro could just regenerate the damage. Other then kamui kakashi has nothing that could pose a threat to oro.

Oro could beat gaara too. Just use his snake form to poison gaara and paralyze him. Oro can summon manda and he has his huge hydra form, both of which are way to big to get caught in sand coffin and would completely own him. If gaara still had his bijuu it would be different. 1-tail>>>hydra.

[QUOTE]Kakashi would still get beat by Oro despite his growth since part 1. Kakashi could use kamui to kill oro, but he'd have to hit him in the head to be effective. After all oro did get cut in half by Kn4 naruto and just laughed about it. So if kamui hits anywhere besides his head then oro could just regenerate the damage. Other then kamui kakashi has nothing that could pose a threat to oro.

On the contrary, I think kakashi could actaully beat Oro by giving almost everything he has like against deva.

Its Oro utter weakness to the SG and its genjutsu that makes kakashi able to actaully beat Oro IMO. Kakashis SG just like itachi/sasuke can see thorugh any of Oros many nin/gen/kinjutsu and make them ineffective as well. Kakashi saw through deva ability after only seeing it 3 times and it was a super special ability beyond anything even Or could so Obviously of kakashi could see that ability the he could see through anything Oro could throw at him.

And worst of all Oro is easy pickens for SG genjustu which kakashi has shown to be just a good as itachi or sasuke. So, by using SG genjustu kakashi could not only psych Oro out (oros clearly deathly afraid of the SG eye prowess after his mind raping at the hands of itachi and sasuke), but hypnotise, paralyse or w/e while using taijutsu.

Kakashi could easily use a KB to catch Oro in a genjutsu then he could use chidori on Oros actaully heart, not a replacement because his SG can tell which ones real or not. Or kakashi could just set up the same ambush on Oro that he used on demon realm where a raiton bushin draws out Oros attack just to leave Oro electricuted, stunned and easy pickens for a full body kamui.

Oro could beat gaara too. Just use his snake form to poison gaara and paralyze him. Oro can summon manda and he has his huge hydra form, both of which are way to big to get caught in sand coffin and would completely own him. If gaara still had his bijuu it would be different. 1-tail>>>hydra.

Oro use doton to move through solid ground like zetsu so theres no way gaara who uses his sand to smash or pluverise his opponent could even hunt Oro while Oro can use his sowrd of kusanagi to pierce right though Gaara sand defense and armour sen it can pierce anything like chidori.

yea kakashi is good at sharingan but not near itachis level...
kamui is not the kind of jutsu to use on oro cuz he regenerates alot and hitting him in the head is not easy..
Oh and kyf by what ur saying about kakashi he could have almost beat oro in pt 1 which even kakashi knew isnt possible.
Manda doesnt really like oro too much so im not sure about summoning him.
oh and if gaara fights i think it kinda depends on the landscape.
if theirs alot of sand he would win if not he would prolly lose,

If it's Orochimaru versus Kakashi (Part II), then I'd say it depends on how many times Kakashi can use Kamui and how effectively. Orochimaru's a beast.

You better shape up,
'cause I need a man
and my heart is set on you.
You better shape up;
you better understand
to my heart I must be true

- Yamato vs. Sasori

- Yamato vs. Sasori

Iron sand wins.

How about:
Sage Naruto vs. Danzou!

play along Naruto until timer is up and deliver the finishing blow

Pointless to use Danzou on Vs scenarios atm. Need info on that ability of his actually is first.

lol how bout tenten vs konohomaru
i say kono cuz tenten is ultimate fail

and she will win against a five year old.

zabuza vs suigetsu

and she will win against a five year old.

zabuza vs suigetsu

yea a 5 year old that defeated a pein body which she could never hope to do

lol konohamaru is 12. Naruto already said he was stronger then he was at that age. Tenten is fail, but despite that it would be close. If he's as clever as naruto then he could win, but he lacks the chakra and endurance naruto has for a lot of clones. So i'd give it to tenten.

Also if naruto at kono's age was considered talented enough to compete in the chuunin exams (and made it quite far), then kono who is >>>naruto at that age should also be chuunin worthy. Tenten is a chuunin herself so they are in the same league with one another. It won't be a 1 sided fight.

before i forget i just thought of another, but this 1 is good...
itachi and sasuke vs pein and naruto
i say pein and naruto

Just going to leave this here:

Zabuza VS Haku

If haku was serious he win no problem. Haku's ice mirror technique would be instant win. Sasuke with sharigan could barely see haku and even then he couldn't match his speed. Zabuza's eyes couldn't compare. Haku paralyzed zabuza with his needles before and zabuza didn't even see that coming. Inside his ice mirrors the same would happen except 1000 times worse. Even if zabuza avoided getting trapped inside the mirrors his water jutsu's would be worthless. All haku has to do is freeze the water and zabuza can't use it. Ice>>>water This fight lasts about 10 seconds.

If he was his usual (I don't won't to hurt anyone because I'm a pussy) self then he'd lose or run.

lol konohamaru is 12. Naruto already said he was stronger then he was at that age. Tenten is fail, but despite that it would be close. If he's as clever as naruto then he could win, but he lacks the chakra and endurance naruto has for a lot of clones. So i'd give it to tenten.

Also if naruto at kono's age was considered talented enough to compete in the chuunin exams (and made it quite far), then kono who is >>>naruto at that age should also be chuunin worthy. Tenten is a chuunin herself so they are in the same league with one another. It won't be a 1 sided fight.

Konahmaru isn't stronger then naruto when naruto was his age lmfaoooo naruto never said this...

Naruto was able to perfect the rasengan in what 7-9 days thats factoring in the training before he met tsunade and had their bet..

where as konahmaru was able to produce a mockery of a rasengan with him needing a clone to carry it lmfaoo...

so really just stop saying shit that never happen or at least read the correct trans... http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-456/page010.html

he was giving the kid a pep talk -_________- and he obviously didn't "leanr" quicker then naruto hafter seeing his rasengan and he's 13 naruto was 12;)

fyi ten ten would obliterate the kid he has no skill whatsoever non that we have seen he has no manga feats...

^ I totally disagree. Kono was able to plan well enough and defeated one of pains bodies. He is definately not a pushover

He defeat one of Pain bodies with something no one forseen. A 5 year old kid doing rasengan.

Konohamaru isn't fucking five, holy shit.

tenten is known for only weaponery. That's as useless as shit if every kono she hits turns smoke(kage bunshin).

Kono shd also be able to conceal himself till he attacks (like what he did to pain).

If Ebisu>tenten and ebisu was shit in front of pain and had to be redeemed by kono, I'll say Kono wins on that basis.

Change the scenario. Instead of Kakashi and his team on Wave country fighting Zabuza and Haku, what happen if other teams went there and how they fare?

Change the scenario. Instead of Kakashi and his team on Wave country fighting Zabuza and Haku, what happen if other teams went there and how they fare?

Team Gai wins. Neji can see through the fake fog, Gai and Lee are superior taijutsu, Tenten can throw a lot of weapons around her.

Team Kurenai maybe wins. Visual genjutsu by Kurenai is useless if Zabuza attacks from behind, though Kiba, Shino and Hinata can track him in the fog.

Team Asuma loses. No trackers in this team, it would be an interesting fight.

Team Gai wins. Neji can see through the fake fog, Gai and Lee are superior taijutsu, Tenten can throw a lot of weapons around her.

Team Kurenai maybe wins. Visual genjutsu by Kurenai is useless if Zabuza attacks from behind, though Kiba, Shino and Hinata can track him in the fog.

Team Asuma loses. No trackers in this team, it would be an interesting fight.

I don't think the byakugan can see through the hidden mist Jutsu..
The sharingan ( Kakashi's ) couldn't see through it either..

Team Gai would have a major problem. They are Taijutsu only..
TenTen throwing weapons would do nothing..
Zabuza can track people by sound alone and he can cut through anything with his blade..
Gai should open Gates first to be fast enough to get through zabuza..
Because one wrong movement and he is cut to shribbons..

Team Asuma has also a slight chance.. Asuma can hold of Zabuza's blade while shikamaru gets a tactic done. Choji and Ino are useless in this fight.. maybe covering Shikamaru.

Team Kurenai has the most chance.. I think the Byakugan is worthless against the hidden mist jutsu, but its proven that smelling can be done ( Kakashi's ninja hounds ) so Shino and Kiba&Akamaru should be able to locate Zabuza fast and the bugs must do their work..

If Haku is with Zabuza, I think none of the teams would win.. except maybe team Gai ( Gai & Rock lee.. opening Gates ).. Team Kakashi was also lucky with sasuke's sharingan and naruto's overpowering since Haku was one of the strongest ninja's with the most potential.. And team Gai has Neji to counter against the crystal ice mirror, if that is possible..

It's hard to say..

All the teams have the tools to win much easier then team kakashi.

Team Gai: If they had any sense both Gai and lee open gates and tag team zabuza. Their taijutsu is far better then his, and Gai already proved he can fight underwater when he fought kisame. With 3 gates open they should both be fast enough to dodge his attacks at the last second even in the mist. All it takes is one good strike and zabuza's dead.

Neji should be a perfect counter for haku. If he seals chakra points haku can't use jutsu and is useless. If they get caught in haku's mirror technique then tenten can use her summoning scrolls to launch massive waves of wepons in all directions. Neji should be able to tell where haku is with byakugan. Somehow they could win or at least hold out until Gai and lee arrive to help finish it.

Team Asuma: Asuma and Choji double team zabuza, It would be a tough fight, but I wonder just how sharp asuma's chakra blades are? He did say he could throw them through a huge boulder with ease, so could they slice through zabuza's sword? Even if they can't he could block with one blade and cut with the other, or better yet throw a blade at close distance straight through zabuza's heart.:cool: Fight over. The mist would be hard to deal with, but asuma is wind natured so he might blow it away with a wind attack. If he doesn't know 1 then chouji could make his arms and hands big and spin around. It should make a gust of wind strong enough to blow away the mist around them

Shikamaru beats haku single easy. Haku's ice mirror tech makes like 20-30 mirrors. If each mirror makes a shadow that means 20-30 shadow. Shika can absorb all those shadows into his own and grab haku whenever he jumps out of a mirror. He can just kill him then or have ino do a body swap. Ino could then go up to zabuza in haku's body and maybe trick him into letting his guard down for a second. If zabuza isn't dead he soon will be;).

Team Kurenai: This is easy Shino pwns zabuza and haku by himself. It's all about the bugs:D. Bugs can track chakra so no matter how fast haku is the bugs would know. Use insect globe on both of them. Unless they have a bug zapper this won't last long.

All I can do is LOL at your post man.

Same, he is underestimating Zabuza and Haku..
Team Kakashi winning was mostly LUCK

Do you think any of the teams were strong enough in the begin of P1 to counter against team Zabuza..
Did shino know insect globe back then?
don't think so..

Blowing away the hidden mist justu.. U fail so hard..
Choji early in P1 could only ROLL..

Shikamaru solo-ing Haku..
U are forgetting 1 big deal!
U were talking about 20 shadows..
The mirrors reflect light.. so THERE IS NO FRIGGING SHADOW !
ino trying her mind body switch while haku travels at the speed of .. ?
she'll KO herself.
U think that Haku would let neji touch him to lock his chakra gates?

Haku and Zabuza were badly trolled..
No offence to team kakashi since I like kakashi and Naturo..
But back then, they where lucky
I mean.. he used the fking dogs to finish Zabuza..
Without them, he was a goner ( kakashi )
And Naruto got the Kyuubi xD..
So thats a lucker too

Change the scenario. Instead of Kakashi and his team on Wave country fighting Zabuza and Haku, what happen if other teams went there and how they fare?

Team gai would Obliterate zabuza and Haku. Like its been sad, the BG can see through anything so the mist wouldnt do anything, the suiton cloes that are crappy 10% clones would be easy to spot with the BG as well so Neji finds zabuza for gai and Gai hands him his ass.

Lee with his weights off could solo Haku in his ice prison if sasuke was able to use his SG to help him catch haku with his level of speed bacl then.

Ten ten can just sit there an be useless.

Team kurenai would win as well. Hinatas BG could help justas nejis did, then kiba with akamaru can sniff out the real posistion of zabuza then shino could use his bugs to drain zabuza. SInce haku showed no genjutsu talent then kurenais genjutsu should own his ass.

Team asuma? Asuma should be able to solo zabuza while shika, ino and choji fight haku in the ice mirrors.

I could see shika cayching haku with his shadow possesion, then chouji using his human bouldar attack to crush haku while hes Immobile.
Theres a chance zabuza could beat asuma, but that would take some time IMO. But once shika, chouji and INo finish with haku they could help asuma.

Same, he is underestimating Zabuza and Haku..
Team Kakashi winning was mostly LUCK

They were both hyped. Haku was nothing without that ice mirror technique

Do you think any of the teams were strong enough in the begin of P1 to counter against team Zabuza..yes I do. The other genin teams have shown better teamwork from the beginning, it not like they didn't have skills back then. Even though naruto and sasuke are uber strong now back then they were no better then the other genin.

Did shino know insect globe back then?
don't think so..Not insect globe, but he did know how to use chakra sucking bugs in the chunin exam, which wasn't long after this fight. He should have already been taught his bug jutsu as a kid. So he take his bugs and tells them to swarm all over his enemies. Same thing as insect globe

Blowing away the hidden mist justu.. U fail so hard..
Choji early in P1 could only ROLL..And U suck!! Use your head for something besides a door prop:p Chouji should have already known his partial multi-size tech by then. So he enlarges his hands and spins around to create a airflow. There's nothing special about that.

Shikamaru solo-ing Haku..
U are forgetting 1 big deal!
U were talking about 20 shadows..
The mirrors reflect light.. so THERE IS NO FRIGGING SHADOW !Wow your a moron aren't you. Even a mirror can make a shadow.:rolleyes: A mirror reflects on one surface. Haku was using this to reflect his image. But they were outside fighting so the sunlight shining down on the outside of the mirrors would make a shadow on the ground. That's just common sense. Shika can use those shadows to entend the range of his own and make a even larger shadow to catch haku once he leaves the mirrors. If haku gets caught it's game over.

ino trying her mind body switch while haku travels at the speed of .. ?
she'll KO herself.I said she could do it once shika has haku trapped. That's their usual strategy.

U think that Haku would let neji touch him to lock his chakra gates?Haku has to come out of his mirrors to attack. Neji uses his heavenly spin to hit haku knocking him off his feet. He just has to stop haku from getting back to his mirror

Zabuza and Haku are to underestimated..
And the other there abilities are overestimated..
Haku had 100's if not 1000's of opportunities to finish Sasuke and Naruto..
He was to gentle against them to kill them and since they are chakra beasts.. they could survive a while..
Would the other genins receive the same luck of Haku being gentle..

No idea if the Byakugan could see through the hidden mist..
But Kakashi's Sharingan couldn't see anything..
He couldn't sniff anything too since Zabuza erased his scent..
I'm sure akamaru couldn't sniff out Zabuza.
Remember that Kakashi needed to have his blood on Zabuza's blade so that his ninja hounds could sniff him out..
I don't think akamaru/kiba was better with smells then the ninja hounds where..
Is it possible to blow away the hidden mist jutsu/Can you look through the hidden mist jutsu with the Byakugan when the sharingan couldn't..
I think those questions are important in this fight

Zabuza and Haku are to underestimated..

I'm not underestimating anyone. Zabuza fought with everything he had and got beat. Then he fought a second time knowing kakashi's weakness and still got beat. Kakashi only got a few minor wounds so kakashi>zabuza. The other jounin have there own different skills. It's not unreasonable to assume they could fight on par with zabuza.

And the other there abilities are overestimated..

I agree with this. Sasuke and naruto were hyped up to be able to survive that fight. It was PnJ that made haku step out of his mirror to allow naruto to hit him at the end. If haku was still in the mirror he could have easily dodged that. But at the same time haku was hyped a little too. His base speed was made out to be super fast when he was really just above average. Sasuke proved he was faster then him and sasuke himself got shat on by lee (with weights on) later on. So speed wise sasuke>haku, Lee>>>haku, Lee without weights>>>>>haku.

Haku had 100's if not 1000's of opportunities to finish Sasuke and Naruto..
He was to gentle against them to kill them and since they are chakra beasts.. they could survive a while..
Would the other genins receive the same luck of Haku being gentle..

Yeah haku held back. He could of finished that fight in a second if he wanted too, but he didn't. He was a merciful person who didn't like to kill. Why would he treat any other konoha team different then team 7? So if he was the same way with the other teams then they have a chance to win. If he got serious then they would all be fucked (team 7 included).

No idea if the Byakugan could see through the hidden mist..
But Kakashi's Sharingan couldn't see anything..
He couldn't sniff anything too since Zabuza erased his scent..
I'm sure akamaru couldn't sniff out Zabuza.
Remember that Kakashi needed to have his blood on Zabuza's blade so that his ninja hounds could sniff him out..
I don't think akamaru/kiba was better with smells then the ninja hounds where..
Is it possible to blow away the hidden mist jutsu/Can you look through the hidden mist jutsu with the Byakugan when the sharingan couldn't..
I think those questions are important in this fight

Byakugan can see through solid objects for miles so why wouldn't it see through fog.
Sharingan isn't designed to see through objects like byakugan is. Even so kakashi could see well enough to copy zabuza's water clone technique.
Kiba/akamaru might not be able to track by scent, but shino can still track with bugs. Zabuza can't erase his chakra now can he.;)
I don't see why a simple mist can't be blown away. It isn't hard. A small amount of wind is all it takes. I don't mean the whole bridge though. I just meant clear the air around them so they can see an attack coming.

@ ask me anything.

I can see your point.
I've done some research, and it's effective against sharingan..
But the Byakugan can see through it..
Strange idea to think that wind could blow away all the mist but it's a good possibility..
So I'll give team Azuma a point for that too.
Haku got serious against Naruto and Sasuke, but when he did it was to late.
Sasuke got hit, but Naruto whent fox cloak and finished him.
Ino would useless, but Shika might get him with his Shadow possesion,, that's their only chance.
No idea what Choji could do.. except making whirlwinds..

Team Kurenai is a hard on..
Who would fight Haku?
We haven't seen kurenai doing anything but genjutsu either so no idea what she could do..
Shino and Hinata are able to track Zabuza in the mist..
if bugs are locked on, it's over..


So,,

What about Itachi & Kisame (MS & Kisame when he fought Bee ) vs. Naruto and Sasuke ( SM & MS )

Location is the last valley

What about Itachi & Kisame (MS & Kisame when he fought Bee ) vs. Naruto and Sasuke ( SM & MS )

Location is the last valley

Itachi and Kisame win this, I like them better. That's my argument.
In any case this fight has too many possibilities to just predict it, Kisame can suck the chakra out of lightning shaped jutsus so Sasuke's chidori sword and needles are useless agaisnt Kisame, Kisame can summon a big amount of water, Itachi can create water clones with it, Sasuke and Naruto can create amateratsu/rasenshuriken combo and destroy a lot of space. But in any case Itachi can cancel amateratsu to save Kisame if he gets caught with it. Itachi's planning ability is the best among the four, that could play a part in the fight.

sasuke now vs itachi healthy?
naruto vs itachi healthy?
jiraya vs itachi healthy?
all the batlle in an open field. eg konoha crater.
you can just list the winners in this three scenarios and why :)

sasuke now vs itachi healthy? Itachi wins cos of shield and sword


naruto vs itachi healthy? Itachi wins cos genjutsu and susaano and can control Kyuubi

jiraya vs itachi healthy? Itachi, Sword of totsuka

Yeah I suppose that when we didn't know of Itachi and Jiraiya's full extent back in P2, when Kisame asked why him and Itachi ran away, it's because if they attempted to fight him, they'd die or at least take him down WHILE dying in the process eh?? Come on with this healthy itachi garbage.

otherworld tournament

bracket 1 sasori vs kakuza

3rd hokage vs itachi

bracket 2 orchimaru vs deidara

2nd hokage vs kisame


co main event 4th hokage vs jiraiya

main event 1st hokage vs pain

healthy itachi vs healthy 3rd? oh wait...THEY ARE FUCKING DEAD !

geez -.- this thread was once good, when vengeance and shrike and few others(not me though) frequently posted here...i liked to read their posts

How about we ask the mods to delete this thread cause to much fail has been posted in here and its just sad how a once good thread turned to shit so fast.

How about we ask the mods to delete this thread cause to much fail has been posted in here and its just sad how a once good thread turned to shit so fast.
But that's just your opinion not everyone's.

First Fight: Kakuzu vs Killer Bee

Second Fight: (healthy) Kimimaro vs Fourth Raikage

Fight location for both is where hidan & Kakuzu fought Kakashi & Team Asuma, and this isn't a 2 vs 2 fight just 1vs1

Kakuzu has some nice ability's but I don't see him winning because the move that would help vs the tails mode, his stone skin jutsu(whatever it's called), is trumped by bee's lighting. Killer bee wins this bout in my opinion by his overwhelming amounts of chakra and his lighting.

The second fight i see going to the Raikage. His lighting chakra should give him the ability to pierce Kimaro bone armor as that's what lighting is known for. Raikage lighting armor should also provide him with a solid defense as chidori could just barely pierce it and also make's him extremely hard to catch do to the insane speed he gets. I give this bout to the Raikage.

sasuke now vs itachi healthy?
naruto vs itachi healthy?
jiraya vs itachi healthy?
all the batlle in an open field. eg konoha crater.
you can just list the winners in this three scenarios and why :)

Sasuke vs healthy itachi?

If sasuke fights like hes been fighting (with anger, no strategy) he gets owned. If he fights like he used to with strategy he should be an even fight IMO. Still, itachi with a 2.5 chakra/stamina level seriously ill should have like a freaking 5 like naruto if healthy then which means itachi can outlast sasuke so itachi should win IMO.

Naruto vs lol regular on brink of death itachi already after fighting Oro?

Itachi still owns naruto even in SM because hes just too weak against genjutsu. And even if somehow hes able to break a regular genjutsu then itachis tsukuyomi would ass rape him just as it could anyone else.

Jman vs healthy itachi?

Seriously? A healthy itachi would murder pain even without tsukuyomi. Even against a regualr unhealthy itachi Jman just has no defense for any of the MS jutsu itachi weilds. Meanwhile, itachis regular SG and godlike speed allow him to anticipate and dodge anything Jman even in HM can fire at him.

We don't know how strong Itachi could have truly been, but he isn't some all around God of the shinobi world. It appeared as though Itachi's condition (when Sasuke started to amp up the pace of the battle) had more to do with the effects of Tsukuyomi. When Sasuke overpowered it, the effects reversed on Itachi (which would dampen his vision and reflex timing).

We later find out by Zetsu, that Itachi was much stronger, as in he took blows that he shouldn't have, and that he wasn't really fighting like himself. With Madara revealing the so called "truth" it was made fact that Itachi let Sasuke win. If Itachi really wanted to, he could have killed Sasuke. Maybe that's what Zetsu meant in terms of much stronger. It's possible that Itachi purposely fell for the shuriken trap, or even let Sasuke reverse the Tsukuyomi on him. Itachi's true strength could more, or less, be associated with his instinct to kill without any form of dispense (like he did with the Uchiha [merciless].

I think Jiraiya fairs a good chance against Itachi. Jiraiya is physically stronger and has more chakra. Itachi is swifter and his target precision is more acute. (Basically like comparing Naruto and Sasuke, give, or take some abilities and what not).

Itachi is Sasuke's stepping stone like Jiraiya is Sasuke's. The manga doesn't make a clear indication on who's more powerful. Jiraya was reduced to swiss cheese, then again, he was up against a man who has never lost a fight, defeated the strongest shinobi (at the time), and carried the most venerable of dojutsu.

Im not denying that Jman is very skilled as well as powerful, but the fact remains he couldnt even stop Oro after trying for years and years, but itachi causually not really trying as usual hands Oro his ass in a mere 3 seconds.

And the fact still remains that Jman even in HM is still not as fast as itachi, not as skilled. He can throw tons of jutsu itachis way, but the SG and itachis speed would just cause those jutsu to fail horribly.

So offensivly Jman cant touch itachi, but either of itachis MS jutsu are too much for someone even as good as Jman because amaterasu is instant, tsukuyomi is instant breakdown of ones spirit so frogs cant snap Jman out by ther time they figure out why hes on the floor unconscious and sasanoo even partial is practicly inpenatrable while itachis still alowed to attack freely.

Jman would need raikage super shushin speed to beat itachis MS jutsu.

We don't know how strong Itachi could have truly been, but he isn't some all around God of the shinobi world. It appeared as though Itachi's condition (when Sasuke started to amp up the pace of the battle) had more to do with the effects of Tsukuyomi. When Sasuke overpowered it, the effects reversed on Itachi (which would dampen his vision and reflex timing).

We later find out by Zetsu, that Itachi was much stronger, as in he took blows that he shouldn't have, and that he wasn't really fighting like himself. With Madara revealing the so called "truth" it was made fact that Itachi let Sasuke win. If Itachi really wanted to, he could have killed Sasuke. Maybe that's what Zetsu meant in terms of much stronger. It's possible that Itachi purposely fell for the shuriken trap, or even let Sasuke reverse the Tsukuyomi on him. Itachi's true strength could more, or less, be associated with his instinct to kill without any form of dispense (like he did with the Uchiha [merciless].

I think Jiraiya fairs a good chance against Itachi. Jiraiya is physically stronger and has more chakra. Itachi is swifter and his target precision is more acute. (Basically like comparing Naruto and Sasuke, give, or take some abilities and what not).

Itachi is Sasuke's stepping stone like Jiraiya is Sasuke's. The manga doesn't make a clear indication on who's more powerful. Jiraya was reduced to swiss cheese, then again, he was up against a man who has never lost a fight, defeated the strongest shinobi (at the time), and carried the most venerable of dojutsu.


Nice post, it all comes down to if Jiriaya can get into hm if he can itachi's dead if not and itachi tsukuyomi's him off the bat he'll lose...

but because Jiriaya can use summons and keep itachi busy then yes Jiriaya can easily get into HM since itachi cannot counter with summons like Pain did..

oNCE IN hM tSUKUYOMI IS USELESS cause he got 2 toads... any moron who says jiraiya doesn't know about it when kakshi did in part 1 is beyond fucking retarded.

Nice post, it all comes down to if Jiriaya can get into hm if he can itachi's dead if not and itachi tsukuyomi's him off the bat he'll lose...

but because Jiriaya can use summons and keep itachi busy then yes Jiriaya can easily get into HM since itachi cannot counter with summons like Pain did..

oNCE IN hM tSUKUYOMI IS USELESS cause he got 2 toads... any moron who says jiraiya doesn't know about it when kakshi did in part 1 is beyond fucking retarded.

Good god I swear u must be the worst troll ever!!!

Kakashi new about tsukuyomi after it kicked his ass lol. And Jman showed no knowledge that the MS even existed until itachi used it.

And if ur still too slow to get it, wether KB with his bijuu or Jman with frogs on his shoulder itachis tsukuyomi effects cant be broken like sasukes as mentioned by kakashi himselfhttp://onemanga.com/naruto/258/10/ (http://onemanga.com/naruto/257/07/)

^^So frogs on the shoulder wont help when Jmans defeated in an instant in reality after sufering 3 days of torture in tsukuyomi. Jman HM or not just cant beat itachi because he has no defense against any of the MS jutsu.

kyf no offense, i respect u for making good arguments but u overhype the sharingan...Its not that u like sasuke 2 much u just like sharingan too much

I'll side with KYF for the mere fact that itachi has the shield and the sword

How about we ask the mods to delete this thread cause to much fail has been posted in here and its just sad how a once good thread turned to shit so fast.

True. The reason I posted the change of scenario because the last time I posted it, it was analyze throughly. Now its just meh........

Jiraiya vs Itachi? I haven't bothered looking up the stipulations. Am I correct in assuming they're both in character and current (not dead, obviously)? If so....Itachi has huge chances of catching Jiraiya in genjutsu, be it Sharingan based, or finger based. Jiraiya knows Itachi is a genjutsu specialist, and I feel bad for him here. I do so, because it's so ridiculously IC for Itachi to start fights with genjutsu, and Jiraiya, at least in base form, has terrible defense against genjutsu. Without delving too deep into this (for now), if Itachi can catch Jiraiya in genjutsu at the very start, and follow it up with an actual way to finish Jiraiya off, then he wins. HM doesn't even become an issue. However, if Itachi doesn't finish Jiraiya off, then Jiraiya wins. A simple kunai to the face won't do much, since Jiraiya has a high threshold for pain. Tsukuyomi, again....Jiraiya willed himself back from death, and fought with an arm blown off while being gang raped. The man can take pain like no one else I've seen.

Well, I guess Hidan can... >_>

Anyway, I don't see Tsukuyomi finishing Jiraiya off. Amaterasu may do the trick, assuming Itachi keeps his focus on Jiraiya, and doesn't just ignite him, then walk away. Susano'o would obviously guarantee the victory for Itachi. I'm wondering if it's considered IC for Jiraiya to not look at Itachi's eyes when the fight starts. But we don't know if he's capable of fighting like that, since he's not Gai. But, he does know that it's a horribly stupid mistake to look at Itachi's eyes. He'd be start to start the fight by quickly summoning toads to buy him time for HM. At least 2-3 well sized toads should do the trick. Itachi can't genjutsu all of them at once, and he'd be really dumb to waste Amaterasu on them. Once Jiraiya makes it to HM, the fight is over. Jiraiya's base stats are increased quite a bit, giving him much better resistance to genjutsu, and well, obviously everything else is superior.

jiraiya never went hm agaisnt oro i dont think

but still, itachi keeps finishing oro faar too fast and easily...it just begs the question if he can do the same to jiraiya

obv jiraiya is skilled and is a powerhouse
but remember back in that hotel....wtf would jiraiya do if itachi amaterasud him right there and then when there was no where to run?

itachi unlike sasuke finishes ppl really fast...he even hinted it saying hes faster at this than kisame...kakashi also hinted at his handsign speed and so did sasuke

itachi will aim for the quick kill, even if he doesnt know jiraiyas hm he will still genjutsu right off the bat and follow it up with a deadly attack

mikeym
i agree with u but when u said not look at itachis eyes...it becomes double edged...itachi is so fast with handsigns..if u dont look at his eyes he will just attack u or perhaps just go for amaterasu
if jiraiya goes hm it will probably force itachi into susanoo in which jiraiya may do some summons.
but obv will get susanoo pwned.... if its itachi thats wielding ms jutsus its just faaar too unfair

he uses them in order tsuku ama susanoo

but still, itachi keeps finishing oro faar too fast and easily...Orochimaru is arrogant, plain and simple. He fell prey to Itachi. What bothers me, though, is that he's a genjutsu master (a full 5 in his genjutsu stat), yet was near powerless against Itachi. At least he nearly managed to break the genjutsu when they were in Akatsuki.

it just begs the question if he can do the same to jiraiyaAnyone can defeat anyone quickly given the right circumstances. *shrug* If we take stats and statements into account, base Orochimaru managed to still move while in Itachi's genjutsu, and he nearly broke out of it. Itachi didn't strengthen his genjutsu, he chose to physically stop Orochimaru from breaking the illusion. If base Jiraiya were caught in the genjutsu, I don't see him moving at all or being capable of breaking out of it.

obv jiraiya is skilled and is a powerhouse
but remember back in that hotel....wtf would jiraiya do if itachi amaterasud him right there and then when there was no where to run?It goes both ways. What would have happened if Jiraiya chose to use the toad stomach to swallow up Itachi and Kisame? Or to bind them completely while they're met with Rasengans to the face? Both parties were at risk there.

itachi unlike sasuke finishes ppl really fast...he even hinted it saying hes faster at this than kisame...kakashi also hinted at his handsign speed and so did sasukeThat's true. Sasuke seems to enjoy toying around and fighting recklessly when he has back up.

itachi will aim for the quick kill, even if he doesnt know jiraiyas hm he will still genjutsu right off the bat and follow it up with a deadly attackI'm confident Itachi knows Jiraiya has HM. Itachi seems to know a whole hell of a lot of things he logically shouldn't know, but does anyway. And that's where things go in Itachi's favor most of the time. He starts fights off using genjutsu, because he knows that's the fastest way to victory, unless he's fighting someone who has resistance to it.

mikeym
i agree with u but when u said not look at itachis eyes...it becomes double edged...itachi is so fast with handsigns..if u dont look at his eyes he will just attack u or perhaps just go for amaterasuGai managed to fight Itachi by not looking at his eyes. I don't know for how long, but he managed to do so, and he's still alive and uninjured. I know Jiraiya is no taijutsu master, not even in HM. But that is still a possible way to combat someone like Itachi. Gai has proven that at least. Jiraiya seriously needs toad summonings here.

if jiraiya goes hm it will probably force itachi into susanoo in which jiraiya may do some summons.I see Jiraiya needing summons far before Susano'o is used.

but obv will get susanoo pwned.... if its itachi thats wielding ms jutsus its just faaar too unfairI don't think Jiraiya knows how Itachi's Susano'o works. He'll probably trial and error his way through the beginning of it, learning the effects of the items. Though, once that happens, he'll realize that Frog Song is needed. Frog Song should be the game ender if it gets that far. Itachi's eyes are fucked up by the time Susano'o is used, so he can't just break through the genjutsu/see through it as he would any other genjutsu. That, and Frog Song is no normal genjutsu. Once trapped, Itachi should be technically fully paralyzed and under it's effects.

Mikey ur taking things to far saying jiraiya wouldn't be able to break out of a regular genjutsu lmfaooo.. he knows how to break from 1 its not to much to do naruto couldn't do it because his chakra control isn't that good or wasn't back then...

A normal genjutsu would be useless since in part 1 he was able to identifiy that the woman was under a sharingan based genjutsu and broke her out of it... No itachi's only hope is to use tsukuyomi right off the bat.. assuming jiraiya stands still then it wouldn't work.

Mikey ur taking things to far saying jiraiya wouldn't be able to break out of a regular genjutsu lmfaooo..I think I may have worded things wrong. I know he's capable of breaking out of "normal" genjutsu. But Sharingan genjutsu isn't normal. Especially not from someone who is a genjutsu master using that form of genjutsu.

he knows how to break from 1 its not to much to do naruto couldn't do it because his chakra control isn't that good or wasn't back then...So you're saying Jiraiya's chakra control is on par with Orochimaru? Because he actually managed to be caught in Itachi's Sharingan genjutsu and still manage to move and attempt to break it. But we have to remember that Orochimaru has a full five in his genjutsu stat, while Jiraiya just has a 3. His chakra control, as far as genjutsu resistance/defense, sounds about average to me. If Jiraiya manages to break out of his Sharingan genjutsu, I'd wager it's because Itachi allowed it, or was distracted by something else. Not because of Jiraiya's chakra control or genjutsu resistance being so great or over powering.

A normal genjutsu would be useless since in part 1 he was able to identifiy that the woman was under a sharingan based genjutsu and broke her out of it...You do know that Itachi can strengthen his genjutsu whenever he wants, right? :p Not all genjutsu are of the same strength, and he had absolutely no reason to use strong genjutsu against that woman. Also, it's not difficult to break someone else out of a weak genjutsu. That argument for Jiraiya seems moot.

No itachi's only hope is to use tsukuyomi right off the bat.. assuming jiraiya stands still then it wouldn't work.Itachi would need it, yes, but his Sharingan genjutsu, depending on it's strength, would work wonders, too. I'm not saying it's a game ender, but it is a set up to a game ender.

I think yall are seriously underetsimating itachi.

Just Itachis crow bushin beat naruto despite already going through wind training and knowing how to fight a SG user. He lost to just his bushin!!!!

Narutos chakra control is good enough he mastered SM in days while Jman couldnt in his lifetime so its obvious Jman<naruto in chakra control. A simple SG genjutsu should beat Jman IMO. And if for some reason hes able to resist like Oro, itachi can attack with high speed taijutsu while casting a genjutsu so good luck Jman lol.

Kakuzu has some nice ability's but I don't see him winning because the move that would help vs the tails mode, his stone skin jutsu(whatever it's called), is trumped by bee's lighting. Killer bee wins this bout in my opinion by his overwhelming amounts of chakra and his lighting.

it would be a tough fight, Kakuzu can mix elements together to use even stronger attacks, that could do some damage on killer bee, but ya i see killer bee winning cause he has the bijū, which would over whelm Kakuzu in the end. but i still see it being a tough fight for killer bee, there no way he'll walk away with out a scratch or some serious injuries.

The second fight i see going to the Raikage. His lighting chakra should give him the ability to pierce Kimaro bone armor as that's what lighting is known for. Raikage lighting armor should also provide him with a solid defense as chidori could just barely pierce it and also make's him extremely hard to catch do to the insane speed he gets. I give this bout to the Raikage.

ya i guess i didn't think that one out, i just look back at the fight with gara when he survived to 2 sand coffins, but Raikage speed, power & lighting armor would give him the edge in the fight, but Kimaro would still put up a good fight

Haku + Kimimaro vs Current Kakashi + Zabuza

How about Oro vs Danzou????? In the same place where sasukes fighting.

GO!!

Orochimaru's cred has pretty much been stomped into the dirt at this point. First you get the BS loss to Sasuke. Then we see just what Jiraiya was capable of (which pretty much kicks almost everything we've seen of Oro's to the curb). THEN he gets wiped out once and for all (or not). THEEEEEEN, we find out he was Danzo's freaking lackey. How is Kishi going to piss on Oro's corpse next week, dare I ask?

Danzo would win, just because he now appears to have, somehow, more hax than Sasuke.

I could danzou causing Oro to flee because Danzous unscathed from using Izanagi and Oros running low on chakra.

Danzou is like pain IMO. Hes has a ton of unique jutsu that allow him to best just about anyone that doesn know his secrets. However, after his secrets are out hes only half as effective as he is because alreadying knowing danzou could curse sasuke by touching him so he cant move, sasuke wouldnt of used taijutsu.
If it was already known danzou can be reborn evertime he dies with Izanagi by using handseld, sasuke would attack danzou with decption and god like speed to kill him before he can make hand seals and activate izanagi.
Last but not least sasuke wouldve conserved his chakra if he knew about Izanagi so he wouldnt be on his last legs as he is now with a full sasanoo.


How about Danzou vs Jman???

How about Killer Bee Vs Danzou.
Remember bee has a new sword, or should. So i'm putting my money on him, but I would like to see what other ppl think about it.

Haku + Kimimaro vs Current Kakashi + Zabuza


No ideas? And i thought this would be cool :(

It's actually pretty cool Thor.
Al those other people are hyping up Danzo without seeing him performing any offensive skill, thus we can't predict any fights with him.
I'll reply on that fight later when I have some time ^^
Kinda busy right now :D

How about Killer Bee Vs Danzou.
Remember bee has a new sword, or should. So i'm putting my money on him, but I would like to see what other ppl think about it.

Holy CRAP I forgot all about that! Bee having Samehada would be ridiculous. He could just suck danzo dry and slice him in half.

How about Killer Bee Vs Danzou.
Remember bee has a new sword, or should. So i'm putting my money on him, but I would like to see what other ppl think about it.

With many SGs and harishimas kekei genkai as well danzou should be able to completely supress the 8tails which means no hachibi power for KB just base.

Still, KB in base mode is still very strong, but since danzou doesnt pour out chakra externally samehada ability wont work. IMO, before killing danzou 10 times KB will get close enough to touch KB and curse him which will Immobilise him and allow danzou to kill him.

Plus danzous fuuton>KBs raiton.

I just dont see KB killing danzou 10 times before danzou cant just touch him at least. I mean if he was able to touch sasuke who extremely fast then danzou should be able to touch KB which would end the fight because no hachibi power or sasanoo power to break the curse=death.

Danzō VS Sarutobi round 2.

Danzo with all his new powers and Sarutobi "God of Shinobi" that if i remember correctly, someone said he was a Sage that mastered all the techniques in Konoha (i could be wrong or having a brain fart)

With many SGs and harishimas kekei genkai as well danzou should be able to completely supress the 8tails which means no hachibi power for KB just base.

Still, KB in base mode is still very strong, but since danzou doesnt pour out chakra externally samehada ability wont work. IMO, before killing danzou 10 times KB will get close enough to touch KB and curse him which will Immobilise him and allow danzou to kill him.

Plus danzous fuuton>KBs raiton.

I just dont see KB killing danzou 10 times before danzou cant just touch him at least. I mean if he was able to touch sasuke who extremely fast then danzou should be able to touch KB which would end the fight because no hachibi power or sasanoo power to break the curse=death.

Dare I ask when the SG magically gained the ability to control Bijuu other than the Kyuubi?

Danzou's fuuton DOES NOT beat KB's raiton, because as it's been plainly stated, KB's raiton charge is in fact 'sharper' than fuuton.

Seeing as KB 'killed' Sasuke twice with Team Hawk pulling healing abilities out of thin air to keep capt. hax from dying, I'd like to see why you think that KB couldn't kill Danzo. Again. And again.

sharingan didn't but hashirama could control those fuckers up till 8 since the manga says only kyuubi and mks go.. but yeah he potentially does have the ability to control a jinchuriki..

although i think he's a failed experiment unlike yamato..

hashirama could control those fuckers up till 8

Though, Yamato is able to control the Kyuubi's chakra to a degree, being able to suppress, balance, or raise the Kyuubi's chakra. Though, he needs the crystallized form of the 1st's actual chakra to make his skills worthwhile (though, albeit, his control over the Bijuu still aren't nearly as great as the 1st's was).

And if Yamato has the 1st's genes in him, shouldn't the 1st have been able to logically control the Kyuubi's chakra as well?

Orochimaru's snake summons+ J-mans Toad summons VS. All of animal pains summons

Limitations: Sage toads not allowed, but every other summon shown so far can be used. Also the ninja's themselves don't fight (summons only) and orochimaru's hydra form isn't allowed.

Though, Yamato is able to control the Kyuubi's chakra to a degree, being able to suppress, balance, or raise the Kyuubi's chakra. Though, he needs the crystallized form of the 1st's actual chakra to make his skills worthwhile (though, albeit, his control over the Bijuu still aren't nearly as great as the 1st's was).

And if Yamato has the 1st's genes in him, shouldn't the 1st have been able to logically control the Kyuubi's chakra as well?

perhaps to a degree since kishi did right in that only the mks can fully control that shit.. or maybe he meant that at the time only an uchiha could control the kyuubi since 16 years ago there were no shodaimes lol.

i dont know if this fight has been discussed before but how about :

third hokage vs. present danzou

.it has been stated in the manga that sarutobi defeated danzou when they fought for the hokage title but how would the fight turn out now with danzou having sharingans and senju abilities.

What about Rock Lee (present, without weights) vs. Suigetsu

(skipping the danzou fights since I hate them )

Unfair fights ftl

Suigetsu lacks the skill and ability to really handle Lee...

BUT

COME ON! SERIOUSLY!? LEE CANNOT EXTERNALIZE CHAKRA. TAIJUTSU DOES JACK AGAINST SUIGETSU. LEE HAS NO NINJUTSU. HE CANNOT WIN.

I think Suigetsu uses chakra to liquefy. I mean if he runs out of chakra from liquefying, he'd probably turn into a target for Lee to hit. And we know Lee likes to beat stuff.........

Anyway, if Suigetsu can turn the terrain into water, he'd have the advantage (I'm unsure if he could do that).

Lee should not even be able to walk on water. Anything more than ankle depth and Suigetsu has severely handicapped Lee's mobility.

Lee should not even be able to walk on water. Anything more than ankle depth and Suigetsu has severely handicapped Lee's mobility.

Lee's ability to utilize chakra is not impaired to that extent. Re-read Kisame vs Team Gai, Lee is clearly seen standing on water after Neji released him, and Ten-Ten from the water prison.

third hokage vs. present danzou


Third hokage wins this, Danzo is just a freak with lame abilities and a lame face/arm that looks lame to me. lol
I would like to know how is it that Danzo spawns his "bodies", he can do wood jutsus which means he can do earth justus, I'd say that Danzo is creating his clones using his wood jutsu from his arm while he is being hidden inside the ground (this is just my speculation). If that's the case he can be killed. If it's something else then I dont know.
Hope that Kishimoto explains Danzo's jutsus otherwise it will be bad.

What about Rock Lee (present, without weights) vs. Suigetsu


Rock Lee will have to beat Suigetsu into vapor. He can probably do it. Other option is Suigetsu assassinates Lee if Lee gets caught surprised by Suigetsu's ability to liquefy.

Dare I ask when the SG magically gained the ability to control Bijuu other than the Kyuubi?

Danzou's fuuton DOES NOT beat KB's raiton, because as it's been plainly stated, KB's raiton charge is in fact 'sharper' than fuuton.

Seeing as KB 'killed' Sasuke twice with Team Hawk pulling healing abilities out of thin air to keep capt. hax from dying, I'd like to see why you think that KB couldn't kill Danzo. Again. And again.

Dare I ask why are people so sure that the sharingan only has the ability to control the kyuubi? i mean it just doesn't make sense to me. Am i missing something?

Dare I ask why are people so sure that the sharingan only has the ability to control the kyuubi? i mean it just doesn't make sense to me. Am i missing something?

Because Kyubi is the only bijuu that has been said to be controlled by the Sharingan. All references to this context indicate 'sharingan controlling kyubi' and not 'sharingan controlling bijuu'...

but if a sharingan can control kyubi why cant it control the rest,i guess it probably can though :)

All I'm saying is that I would like to believe otherwise until proven wrong with concrete evidence...

yh i actually don't know,but as you said there's no concrete evidence for or against,but i just feel it might be able to.

If the sharingan can control other bijuu..
why did Sasuke fail against Killer Bee.
KB got him twice with sasuke using his Sharingan hax.

If sharingan can control other bijuu then why didn't madara have other bijuu fighting with him against hashirama, and not just kyuubi. Instead hashirama was the one to had control of multiple bijuu.

If sharingan can control other bijuu then why didn't madara have other bijuu fighting with him against hashirama, and not just kyuubi. Instead hashirama was the one to had control of multiple bijuu.

Probably it would be to hard to fight with multiple bijuus controlled via sharingan. And if you had the power to control 1 bijuu which bijuu would you choose? the kyuubi of course.

oh, and im not sure, but did hashirama ever use bijuus? he had the power to control them yes, but as far as we know just to subdue them.

All I'm saying is that I would like to believe otherwise until proven wrong with concrete evidence...
yeah, its ok to believe in it since we dont know yet, but i dont think its ok to act like its a fact, like this post:

Dare I ask when the SG magically gained the ability to control Bijuu other than the Kyuubi?

Danzou's fuuton DOES NOT beat KB's raiton, because as it's been plainly stated, KB's raiton charge is in fact 'sharper' than fuuton.

Seeing as KB 'killed' Sasuke twice with Team Hawk pulling healing abilities out of thin air to keep capt. hax from dying, I'd like to see why you think that KB couldn't kill Danzo. Again. And again.
I dont think that was very nice considering the "sharingan can only control the kyuubi" is just a belief, not a fact.



Oh, and @ freaz
If the sharingan can control other bijuu..
why did Sasuke fail against Killer Bee.
KB got him twice with sasuke using his Sharingan hax.
I guess its not nearly the same if its a jink, especially KB aka "The Perfect Host"

Lee doesn't stand a chance against Suigetsu n00bs.

Current Danzou would lay waste to old man Hiruzen.

Haku + Kimimaro vs Current Kakashi + Zabuza

haku and kimimaru would murder current kakashi and zabuza. kimimaru is a fully offensive nin with pretty decent tanking abilities ( survived 2 sand prisons ) while haku's ice mirror tech is just plain awesome. zabuza or kakashi won't win melee with kimimaru. zabuza or kakashi won't be able to escape (when caught) by haku's jutsu. kimimaru + haku 7-3 kakashi + zabuza. kimi+haku raeps.

lee vs suigetsu
lee is at a total disadvantage here in this fight. suigetsu is made up of water, and lee's blunt melee attacks are not powerful enough to possibly hurt suigetsu. in gates, things would probably stir a little into lee's favor, because he is leagues far from suigetsu in speed, and he has the power to possibly hurt or deform suigetsu. but i don't think lee will have a fair chance of winning against someone who just sagged after full impact of an 8-tailed cero. lee will lose. lee 2-8 suigetsu. suigetsu wins.

danzou vs hiruzen
danzou vs orochimaru
danzou vs others mentioned at this point

danzou wins. he has about a dozen sharingan hax in his sleeves. nobody can stand up to him at this point. those who can probably defeat him are all dead.

People currently alive with an honest chance against Danzo:

-Naruto
-KB
-Madara (even if he can't do much to hurt Danzo, Danzo sure as hell can't hurt him)
-Possibly but not likely Raikage
-Possibly Mizukage

Any other matchup (except concerning the dead) would be a win for Danzo, IMO.

People currently alive with an honest chance against Danzo:

-Naruto
-KB
-Madara (even if he can't do much to hurt Danzo, Danzo sure as hell can't hurt him)
-Possibly but not likely Raikage
-Possibly Mizukage

Any other matchup (except concerning the dead) would be a win for Danzo, IMO.

Lol, U think naruto and KB can stand a chance against danzou, but not the riakage??

The raikage would obliterate danzous Izanagi in 1 minuate flat with his speed.

The only reason I see raikage standing a better chance against danzous is because danzou cant touch rai in his raiton armour and put that Immobilization curse on him.

Lol, U think naruto and KB can stand a chance against danzou, but not the riakage??

The raikage would obliterate danzous Izanagi in 1 minuate flat with his speed.

The only reason I see raikage standing a better chance against danzous is because danzou cant touch rai in his raiton armour and put that Immobilization curse on him.

Raikage relies exclusively on Raiton and Taijutsu.

Danzo's seals basically make Taijutsu useless, and Danzo is a master of Fuuton, which trumps the Raiton Armor.

I said 'possibly' because those disadvantages throw it up into the air. I'm not saying that Raikage would lose. I'm saying that there's a chance that he wouldn't win. KB has a ridiculous amount of power from the Hachibi, as well as the fact that he now has the Samehada, which could drain Danzo of the chakra he so desperately needs to pull off Izanagi.

One hit from RS would pretty much make Izanagi pointless, it'd just kill him over and over and over again. So Naruto has a distinct advantage.

Already said why KB would win.

Madara is untouchable.

Raikage has a fair chance, but it's not guaranteed or nearly so.

Mizukage's twin kekke-genkai give her a moderate chance.

Raikage relies exclusively on Raiton and Taijutsu.

Danzo's seals basically make Taijutsu useless, and Danzo is a master of Fuuton, which trumps the Raiton Armor.

I said 'possibly' because those disadvantages throw it up into the air. I'm not saying that Raikage would lose. I'm saying that there's a chance that he wouldn't win. KB has a ridiculous amount of power from the Hachibi, as well as the fact that he now has the Samehada, which could drain Danzo of the chakra he so desperately needs to pull off Izanagi.

One hit from RS would pretty much make Izanagi pointless, it'd just kill him over and over and over again. So Naruto has a distinct advantage.

Already said why KB would win.

Madara is untouchable.

Raikage has a fair chance, but it's not guaranteed or nearly so.

Mizukage's twin kekke-genkai give her a moderate chance.

I was just trying to make the point that Rais too fast for any jutsu danzou has. Hes too fast for danzous SGs to follow and way to fast for his fuutons to connect. Not to mention rais raiton armour keeps danzou from touching him and putting on the Immobolization seal which naruto, KB and mizu cant block because they dont have armour.

Well, KB has bijuu cloak, but with harshima and uchiha power, danzou should completely control ther hachibi taking him out of the fight.

Raikage relies exclusively on Raiton and Taijutsu.

Danzo's seals basically make Taijutsu useless, and Danzo is a master of Fuuton, which trumps the Raiton Armor.

I said 'possibly' because those disadvantages throw it up into the air. I'm not saying that Raikage would lose. I'm saying that there's a chance that he wouldn't win. KB has a ridiculous amount of power from the Hachibi, as well as the fact that he now has the Samehada, which could drain Danzo of the chakra he so desperately needs to pull off Izanagi.

One hit from RS would pretty much make Izanagi pointless, it'd just kill him over and over and over again. So Naruto has a distinct advantage.

Already said why KB would win.

Madara is untouchable.

Raikage has a fair chance, but it's not guaranteed or nearly so.

Mizukage's twin kekke-genkai give her a moderate chance.
As far as i understood, kills dont matter for izanagi, its limited by time. so if you kill danzo 100000 times or 0 times during the duration of izanagi its the same (of course, without taking chakra into account, not quite sure yet how, and how much, this would limit izanagi, but probably there is something to it)

Suigetsu vs Lee

When Suigetsu transforms into water he uses his chakra, it's a jutsu so it has a limit. Also, Suigetsu is constantly drinking water probably to refill himself meaning his jutsu requires a lot of water out of him. In a long fight where Lee would be constantly beating Suigetsu (coz Lee is better in hand to hand) Suigetsu would reach his limit of turning into water. Then Lee would win (if they fight in no water area).

Danzo vs Hiruzen
Danzo hasn't used the "izanagi" yet so, he was probably using clones up until now. The third hokage would find the real Danzo and finish the fight. Also the third wouldn't waste his moves like Sasuke, he can finish Danzo's fake bodies with fire (Danzo has the wind but it is useless against fire), then the third would split the earth with his earth jutsu (hokage can do big scale earth jutsus, he summoned a mountain), then he would probably find the real Danzo, spreading his "roots of evil" and finish him off.

edit: I read the latest chapter yesterday and I was wrong about Danzo using clones, it was apparently "Izanagi" (not clones) that made him survive Sasuke's attacks. Those that called this weeks ago were spot on. But in any case Sarutobi would have a chance at winning if he can "kill" Danzo enough times so that his "izanagi" expires.

I think some of you guy's are giving danzo to much credit. Personally I don't think Izangi is all that great.

Basically Izangi is what is saving his ass. Against someone with low stamina it's great but he really hasn't showed anything killer yet. He would probably just die 10 times or how many ever times it takes before he ever got a killing blow on some with good chakra, speed and, or skill.

His seal thing was nice but it can be broken. His summon was killed, his wind atks failed, his mind control jutsu was saw through rather easily. Really what has he succeed at? not getting killed and that's probably how it's gonna stay.

think there are plenty of people who would beat him for sure.
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I'm sorry if this has been done, but I can't see myself looking through 514 pages to see.
Jiraiya vs Raikage

I'll give this to the j-man. The only moves we've seen from Rkg is tai, but his speed and armor would be tough to beat.

Give conditions so we can get a better idea.

Distance, battle field, state of mind, restriction etc.

For example,do they both start on base ? Or does Jiraya start with Hm ?

Things like that are useful to properly analyze a battle.

I'm sorry if this has been done, but I can't see myself looking through 514 pages to see.
Jiraiya vs Raikage

I'll give this to the j-man. The only moves we've seen from Rkg is tai, but his speed and armor would be tough to beat.

Jman vs the Raikage?

Well, what else whould I say? Once rai goes supermode Jmans missing a head. Even with a frog on each should to help watch for rias movements hes too fast the the SG to regular eye wont even register an after Image lol. IMO since Genjutsu, taijutsu and ninjutsu exept fuutons are rather useless against rais reflexes, speed and raiton armour, rai wins.

Well, what else whould I say? Once rai goes supermode Jmans missing a head. Even with a frog on each should to help watch for rias movements hes too fast the the SG to regular eye wont even register an after Image lol. IMO since Genjutsu, taijutsu and ninjutsu exept fuutons are rather useless against rais reflexes, speed and raiton armour, rai wins.

This exactly why we need specifics. Otherwise its " genjutsu one shots this " " Speed blitz that etc.

Moe, give us more details like the one I mentioned above or this will go no where.

Jman vs the Raikage?

Well, what else whould I say? Once rai goes supermode Jmans missing a head. Even with a frog on each should to help watch for rias movements hes too fast the the SG to regular eye wont even register an after Image lol. IMO since Genjutsu, taijutsu and ninjutsu exept fuutons are rather useless against rais reflexes, speed and raiton armour, rai wins.

Speed isn't everything in the naruto world, yea its nice, and yes if it is fast enough it beats the shit out of sharigan user but that don't mean it well work against everybody.

I believe Jairiya would be a bad match up for Rai. Jm has a barrier tech, techs that trap people(like the toad stomach he used on Itachi and Itachi used ama to get out of), other defensive techs, and Sage mode. I believe you are thinking too highly of his Lighting armor. Obviously its not a instant kill type move like you make out to be. Kakashi obviously survived the tech before so i don't see why someone with more skill couldn't. In my book Jm takes the fight.

ohh yea and Jmans summons.

Speed isn't everything in the naruto world, yea its nice, and yes if it is fast enough it beats the shit out of sharigan user but that don't mean it well work against everybody.

I believe Jairiya would be a bad match up for Rai. Jm has a barrier tech, techs that trap people(like the toad stomach he used on Itachi and Itachi used ama to get out of), other defensive techs, and Sage mode. I believe you are thinking too highly of his Lighting armor. Obviously its not a instant kill type move like you make out to be. Kakashi obviously survived the tech before so i don't see why someone with more skill couldn't. In my book Jm takes the fight.

Barrier jutsu wont work on rai in raiton armour. Im not really sure how it killed animal realm, but rai wears the Ultimate armour for such attacks IMO.

All minato had was super speed and a rasengan yet he was the strongest kage ever lol. Its true speed isnt everything, but when its so fast that ur opponent cant defend then it curtains for anybody without a defense.

WHat do u mean kakashi survived? Kakashi never fought the raikage lol. And how do u think Jman is going to get through rais raiton armour? Jman doesnt have amaterasu, an fuutons or chidori.

Barrier jutsu wont work on rai in raiton armour. Im not really sure how it killed animal realm, but rai wears the Ultimate armour for such attacks IMO.

All minato had was super speed and a rasengan yet he was the strongest kage ever lol. Its true speed isnt everything, but when its so fast that ur opponent cant defend then it curtains for anybody without a defense.

WHat do u mean kakashi survived? Kakashi never fought the raikage lol. And how do u think Jman is going to get through rais raiton armour? Jman doesnt have amaterasu, an fuutons or chidori.

Well he may not have but I assumed that he did sense the Raikage said this after he said http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/463/03/

Your also assuming Jman has no defense. He has shown defensive ability's. If your trapped in a toads stomach running is not going to do you a whole lot of good. Jman has barriers as well, and he has sensor ability's in sage mode. In my opinion sage mode is for more of a hax then lighting armor. If his jutsu is strong then it will hurt the raikage that is how the manga works , Jman is a chakra beast he has the juice to do nasty fire attacks, you can't say they wont work.

Minota had more then just speed, and res. He could also teleport. He has summons, he signed the pack with the toads, plus his other ones. There is a big differences between speed and teleporting.
Plus you don't know that is all he has in his arsenal. We have never seen him fight all out.

If rai got trapped in a large group of bugs like madra did he would be done for is a good example of the differences.

Ok how about this, to build up on Moe's vs

Raikage VS Jiraya

Scenario 1

Starting Distance: 200 meters
Battle field: FOD ( Forest of death )
Conditions: They both start at base
State of mind: Blood lusted ( Fighting to kill at all costs )
Knowledge: Both have manga knowledge of one another
Restrictions: none

Scenario 2

Everything is the same as the above except for

Conditions: Jiraya stars with HM, Raikage with Raiton shroud
knowledge: They have no knowledge of one another. Fresh slates.

Raikage VS Jiraya

Scenario 1
Starting Distance: 200 meters
Battle field: FOD ( Forest of death )
Conditions: They both start at base
State of mind: Blood lusted ( Fighting to kill at all costs )
Knowledge: Both have manga knowledge of one another
Restrictions: none

200 meters away? and both start at base? jiraiya has the advantage at this distance. he has tons of jutsus that work at distances. he is well versed with ranged skills. Raikage has what? close ranged wrestling taijutsu moves. raikage knows of all manga skills of jiraiya, and his only hope is to do ssj so he can close the gap and work his jutsus. jiraiya is no slowpoke, but he definitely a lot slower than raikage, but the 200 meter initial distance would help him prepare HM to SSJ kira, while spamming jutsu's and summons to block raikage's linear advance. if Jiraiya can enter HM while raikage is still far from jiraiya, raikage will definitely lose. frog song is insta win against raikage. but if raikage can close the gap before jiraiya can dish out frog song which i'm sure he will try hard to, things are in kira A's favor. scenario 1: jiraiya 4-6 raikage.


Scenario 2
Everything is the same as the above except for
Conditions: Jiraya stars with HM, Raikage with Raiton shroud
knowledge: They have no knowledge of one another. Fresh slates.

having no knowledge of what jiraiya can pull out of his ass would be Raikage's downfall in this scenario. Raikage is purely muscles and his fighting technique is easily readable. meanwhile jiraiya has tons of summons which can occupy raikage, and tons of jutsu that raikage will be dealing with, while preparing frog song. And no knowledge of frog song would make raikage bite the bait and lose. scenario 2: jiraiya 7-3 raikage

Raikage VS Jiraya



200 meters away? and both start at base? jiraiya has the advantage at this distance. he has tons of jutsus that work at distances. he is well versed with ranged skills. Raikage has what? close ranged wrestling taijutsu moves. raikage knows of all manga skills of jiraiya, and his only hope is to do ssj so he can close the gap and work his jutsus. jiraiya is no slowpoke, but he definitely a lot slower than raikage, but the 200 meter initial distance would help him prepare HM to SSJ kira, while spamming jutsu's and summons to block raikage's linear advance. if Jiraiya can enter HM while raikage is still far from jiraiya, raikage will definitely lose. frog song is insta win against raikage. but if raikage can close the gap before jiraiya can dish out frog song which i'm sure he will try hard to, things are in kira A's favor. scenario 1: jiraiya 4-6 raikage.

The scenario is both know about eachother. By that alone Jman wouldnt even mess with the raikage until rai is in base mode unaware Jman is around and trying to kill him otherwise Rai will just go supermode in raiton armour and waste him in an instant.

Also, it takes time for Jman to go into SM. Rai can go supermode at a whim.

Genjutsu doesnt work on rai in raiton armour so frog song is null. Taijutsu against the raikage is just retarted and ninjutsu isnt much help either exept fuutons. However, even fuuton have to catch the raikage moving around like a T/S jutsu level speed (instant) with reflexes far surpassing even minatos so good luck Jman.


having no knowledge of what jiraiya can pull out of his ass would be Raikage's downfall in this scenario. Raikage is purely muscles and his fighting technique is easily readable. meanwhile jiraiya has tons of summons which can occupy raikage, and tons of jutsu that raikage will be dealing with, while preparing frog song. And no knowledge of frog song would make raikage bite the bait and lose. scenario 2: jiraiya 7-3 raikage

Even with no knowledge of Jmans jutsu, hes still known as a sennin so Rai wont take it easy on him. The same can be said for Jman not underestimating rai, but the moment Jman attacks with taijutsu hes done.

And u do realise the SG could barely even read rais movements in base raiton armour. In supermode rais movements were unreadable and unable to physicly defend against.

Genjutsu doesnt work on rai in raiton armour so frog song is null.

how does raiton armor make raikage immune to genjutsu? especially the frog song? link please

taijutsu is a no-no against raikage. the reason why the 200 meter distance is a good advantage that jman has to use. at 200 meter distance, raikage's movement would be easily readable. " he would push forward ". big muscled arms and body should be a hint to jiraiya that he can't go toe to toe in taijutsu with raikage. so the logical style would be bombard raikage with summons and ranged jutsus and see what he will do in reaction.

raikage has a fair chance of winning against jiraiya. one wrong step from jiraiya would mean his end. but the 200 meter starting distance is what dictated my outcome for this fight.

Raikage is indeed immune to genjutsu thanks to his raiton armor. The lightning armor keeps stimulating Raikage's neurons or something like that so he is constantly refreshing his neurons and that makes genjutsu unable to work. Coz of the neurons or something like that.
In any case Jiraiya vs Raikage and they know everything about each other - Jiraiya wins.
Jiraiya vs Raikage and they don't know everything about each other - good chances Raikage wins if Jiraiya tries to match with his speed or catch him with forg song that would fail. But Jiraiya has enough jutsus to win, lightning armor probably has a weakness and it can be broken with rasengans or with a giant rasengan for sure. But, only if Jiraiya knows he is no match in the speed department so he doesn't go naively at him.

Yomi Numa needs to be factored in for Jiraya with distance. Opening a giant mud lake would by him some time.

I'd like to see Raiton armor withstand Jiraiya's version of a Yaton atk. Jiraiya wins if starting in HM & may loss if starting without. Turning the landscape into a swamp may buy him time as well as summoning but it's hard to say if that would be enough time to actually enter HM. Jiraiya can't use jutsu while focusing his chakra to transform.

Raikage is indeed immune to genjutsu thanks to his raiton armor. The lightning armor keeps stimulating Raikage's neurons or something like that so he is constantly refreshing his neurons and that makes genjutsu unable to work. Coz of the neurons or something like that.

I was so sure this was the case so I went looking up for a link to prove it, but I didn't find a page where they mention genjutsu defense, just the page where they comment on raikage's synapses (synapses are the spaces between neurons that serve as the connections between neurons) http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/462/03/. So unless someone got the link, I have to change my vote for Jiraiya wins using frog genjutsu among other things.

I was so sure this was the case so I went looking up for a link to prove it, but I didn't find a page where they mention genjutsu defense, just the page where they comment on raikage's synapses (synapses are the spaces between neurons that serve as the connections between neurons) http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/462/03/. So unless someone got the link, I have to change my vote for Jiraiya wins using frog genjutsu among other things.

I distinctly remember it saying at some point something along the lines of 'YOUR GENJUTSU WILL NOT WORK ON ME'.

I distinctly remember it saying at some point something along the lines of 'YOUR GENJUTSU WILL NOT WORK ON ME'.

I thought that way, but I looked through the chapters of Sasuke vs Raikage and Raikage only says "your sharingan won't keep up with me" or something like that which only means that Rai is too fast. No genjutsu mention, so...

I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that raikage can deflect genjutsu thx to his armor, but it's not been proven yet.

Sasuke (the one fighting Danzo)

Vs

Jiroubou
Kidoumaru
Tayuya
Kimimaru
Haku


Lets see scenarios people, can Sasuke with his MS take all of these suckers at the same time?

Sasuke (the one fighting Danzo)

Vs

Jiroubou
Kidoumaru
Tayuya
Kimimaru
Haku


Lets see scenarios people, can Sasuke with his MS take all of these suckers at the same time?

Sasuke's genjutsu is not very strong and there are multiple opponents so that won't help him much. Amateratsu and Susano are his main weapons lately, but he can't take out everyone with it. Maybe couple of guys would get on fire. Sasuke prob wins coz of his chidori blade and speed, there's a chance the last guy standing would get him though, Kidoumaru with his cursed seal lvl 2 arrow or Jirobou with his earth prison or Kimimaru with his bone forest. It could happen I guess.

Other than Jiroubou, who would be dead weight there, the other four could only win if they worked in perfect harmony, and killed Sasuke before Sasuke could use Susano'o.

The combination of Kidoumaru's web and Haku's ice mirrors could trap Sasuke, and if that point were to be reached, Tayuya's genjutsu could seriously impair Sasuke. After that, Kidoumaru could use his CS2 arrows to kill Sasuke. I'm not saying they'd win, BTW. I'm saying that is the only way they COULD win. Kimimaro would probably outdo Sasuke at Taijutsu still, but even his CS2 would not be capable of harming Susano'o. Haku's ice mirrors would not hold out against Amaterasu, nor would Kidoumaru's web. Jiroubou's Doton would be completely useless, and Tayuya's summons would go down very quickly in the face of Susano'o or Amaterasu.

What if Sasuke gets caught in genjutsu for just a short time, it could still be enough for the others to finish him?

Sasuke (the one fighting Danzo)

Vs

Jiroubou
Kidoumaru
Tayuya
Kimimaru
Haku

Jirobou is doton type. even if he's a meat tank he doesnt stand a chance. tayuya can summon and has sound genjutsu. kimimaru is durable and has excellent taijutsu. haku is sneeky and has very good stealth techs. kidoumaru strikes at range and is also sneeky. if sasuke were to fight only three of these, he will win. most of the enemies mentioned won't go head on with the enemy, would either fight at range or be sneeky about it. sasuke would lose gas. he has susanoo to fight at range, but kidoumaru, haku, and tayuya's fighting technique is more of a hide and seek technique which will prove fatal to sasuke. sasuke will lose due to fatigue and loss of chakra.

sasuke 4-6 kidoumaru+jirobou+haku+kimimaru+tayuya

Sasuke...

C'mon. He is insane now with his MS hacks. The only reason I think he might be killed is because of the huge number disadvantage but even then I doubt it. He has become a serious powerhouse. Those are all part one cast-offs.

Kimimaru and Haku together are a match for sasuke. The sound ninja mentioned are almost worthless but they might sway the balance of the fight a little.

Kimimaru was half dead when he fought gaara+rock lee and he still shit on them. He nearly broke Gaara's ultimate defense. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Ultimately_Hard_Absolute_Defense:_Shield _of_Shukaku If he could do that while sick he should easily be able to break an incomplete susanoo. His taijutsu seems much better then sasuke's. With his reflexes he should be able to dodge amaterasu.

Haku's skills were said to be better then zabuza's, plus he had his ice jutsu on top of that. He is insanely fast while within his Ice mirror tech. That alone could end the fight in seconds if sasuke didn't have susanoo active.

Sasuke 4-6 kimimaru+haku
sasuke 3-7 kimimaru+haku+those other 3 losers

Based on feats its no contest. Current Sasuke is simply too haxxed.

Let's try a different one.

Shii and Darui vs. Fuu and Torune...

Based on what we know, Shii can use genjutsu in way of Raiton release... He is also a med ninja, and is a sensor (let's say on Karin's level in terms of sensing)...

Darui can add Raiton to shuriken as well as on to his short-broadsword... He is also capable at individually using Raiton and Suiton ninjutsu (using both at the same time spreads the lightning). He also formed a jutsu involving the storm element... He is a capable swordsmen (out witting Suigetsu [like that really matters])...

Fuu is a sensor as well as part of those who can spirit channel (Ino, Inoichi, etc)... He is very capable in combat it appears and he can better take hold of his target by using puppets that traps the opponent's spirit in the puppet, while Fuu's spirit gets inside his opponent's body... From here, I'm assuming Torune could set up a way for the target to die and not Fuu himself through careful planning.

Torune has bugs inside him and basically, anything he touches is injected with destruction bugs... He can even do a full bodied form (making him even more dangerous)... Destruction bugs eat through chakra can if inside the opponent, can inflict I imagine, unbelievable torment... These bugs seem slightly different though (considering how they are used)...

So, which team wins?

Shii and Darui vs. Fuu and Torune

i'd go with fuu + torune on this one. torune didn't show us skills that shino has shown us, but he is aburame to the core, and thus it is logical to say he has the basic bug skills. even alone he can practically go toe to toe with shii+darui. the advantage shii+darui has is the genjutsu shii can dish out. but since fuu+torune teamwork is one of the best teamplays i've seen in manga, i'm sure they can easily break out of shii's genjutsu. If fuu can successfully cast a body transfer on any one of the enemies, he can just approach torune, let torune touch the captured body, then switch back. easy as pie, one of the enemies die. Shii+Darui doesn't stand a chance.
Shii+Darui 1-9 Fuu+Torune

Based on feats its no contest. Current Sasuke is simply too haxxed.

I wouldn't consider it haxx. Sasuke's just that good. Its the power of the sharingan. If you say it's haxx, then I guess Naruto's Sage Mode is Haxx too...

I wouldn't consider it haxx. Sasuke's just that good. Its the power of the sharingan. If you say it's haxx, then I guess Naruto's Sage Mode is Haxx too...

sharingan = hax
even weaklings such as obito became a lot better when he activated his sharingan.
even an old bag such as danzou became a monster when he revealed he had an armful of sharingan.
consider sage mode as a hax, but only a select few are capable of doing sage mode, even jiraiya couldn't. whereas sharingan can be bought at a cheap price from your nearest store.

Based on feats its no contest. Current Sasuke is simply too haxxed.

based on feats, yes sasuke takes the cake. but based on fighting styles and battle formations these guys against sasuke take. i'd say sasuke will be losing gas in the end.

I wouldn't consider it haxx. Sasuke's just that good. Its the power of the sharingan. If you say it's haxx, then I guess Naruto's Sage Mode is Haxx too...

Sage Mode could be CONSIDERED haxx, but in reality it isn't. It wasn't something he was born with, like a bloodline limit like SG was for Sasuke. It doesn't have an endless tier of upgrades like SG has (although it could be understood that since SM takes the almost limitless natural chakra from outside the body and could supply it to the user for jutsu's, that it could be endlessly tiered as well but I don't consider it that way.)

Sasuke's good at using what was given to him from birth, through blood, though by itself the SG really isn't all too haxxed, MS and above is, so we'll see.