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superninja
02-01-2010, 08:24 AM
Let's try a different one.

Shii and Darui vs. Fuu and Torune...



Fuu and Torune look more dangerous to me so I'll also go with them winning. They have abilities that are more unique than Shii and Darui.

soadbyob
02-01-2010, 09:00 AM
No, sasuke could kill Jiroubou, Kidoumaru or Haku, but not all of them. Combination of Kimimaro CS2 and Tayuya CS2, even Sakon's would kill Sasuke, now if he hadnt killed Karin, he probbaly could

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-01-2010, 02:06 PM
I find it funny the MS is haxed, but narutos SM isnt. The MS takes away sight, eats tons of chakra and even leaves the user vulnerable of a MS jutsu fails. However, SM allows naruto no side effects with usage, replenishes power and helps protect him wether a SM attack fails or not with extra durability and NE offensive barrier.

Hax wise SM murders the MS so dont delude ur selves for even a second.

As for sasuke vs Kidomaru, kimimarro, haku, jirobo and tayuya?

Sasuke can put on a partial sasanoo, wrap it in amaterasu and pick these noobs apart without being in any danger at all. The actaul challenge would be Kimimarro, but a simple speed blitz with chidori right through his bones and its over since Kimimarro was no faster then pretime skip Lee right after surgory lol.

Sasuke would murder these noobs.

Dariu, shi vs Fuu and Torune?

Shi casts his genjutsu to blind both fuu and torune, then dariu combines his raiton, fuuton into thunder element and kills both with his explosive lazers from a distance.

AOTKorby
02-01-2010, 05:52 PM
I find it funny the MS is haxed, but narutos SM isnt. The MS takes away sight, eats tons of chakra and even leaves the user vulnerable of a MS jutsu fails. However, SM allows naruto no side effects with usage, replenishes power and helps protect him wether a SM attack fails or not with extra durability and NE offensive barrier.

Hax wise SM murders the MS so dont delude ur selves for even a second.

As for sasuke vs Kidomaru, kimimarro, haku, jirobo and tayuya?

Sasuke can put on a partial sasanoo, wrap it in amaterasu and pick these noobs apart without being in any danger at all. The actaul challenge would be Kimimarro, but a simple speed blitz with chidori right through his bones and its over since Kimimarro was no faster then pretime skip Lee right after surgory lol.

Sasuke would murder these noobs.

Dariu, shi vs Fuu and Torune?

Shi casts his genjutsu to blind both fuu and torune, then dariu combines his raiton, fuuton into thunder element and kills both with his explosive lazers from a distance.

Because clearly using the MS techniques takes so much skill, training, and determination oh wait. No they fucking don't.

Naruto trained seriously hardcore for about a month, with the clones making it even more.

Plus, since when has the SM magically pulled new abilities out of its ass, or suddenly helping just when the user desperately needed it to? MS has done this in every fight Sasuke has used it in. SM is extraordinarily powerful, but it ain't haxx.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-01-2010, 09:01 PM
[QUOTE]Because clearly using the MS techniques takes so much skill, training, and determination oh wait. No they fucking don't.

LMAO! So sasuke didnt need 3 big ass battles with his already accelerated learning talents to master the MS to the degree he has? He woke up and pwned KB with his so easy to control MS hax, right.


Naruto trained seriously hardcore for about a month, with the clones making it even more.

Lol, naruto used 4 clones for about an hour then still mastered SM in a days (the short time it took pain to come from rain to konaha village and both are right next to eachother lol). No, thats really a long time considering it still took naruto a week while using multiple KBs to just learn wind.:rolleyes:


Plus, since when has the SM magically pulled new abilities out of its ass, or suddenly helping just when the user desperately needed it to? MS has done this in every fight Sasuke has used it in. SM is extraordinarily powerful, but it ain't haxx.

LMAO, naruto all of the sudden got a NE barrier for frog katas that wasnt mentioned in training. Naruto magicly was able to recive the sage chakra from his last clone without using the reverse summoning scroll and somehow SM made naruto not feel the effects of going over 3tail and losing his skin like last time.

Face it, with these ^^^ and the fact SM causes no side effects no matter how much u use it. SM is the ultimate Hax!!!

Then again the MS must be haxxed because it uses the same 3 jutsu its always had. Its just so haxxed it causes blindness from the same three jutsu its always pulling out its ass. The only other jutsu is kamui and it nearly kills kakashi to use it lol.

AOTKorby
02-01-2010, 09:19 PM
[QUOTE=SenninKorby;1785662].

LMAO! So sasuke didnt need 3 big ass battles with his already accelerated learning talents to master the MS to the degree he has? He woke up and pwned KB with his so easy to control MS hax, right.




Lol, naruto used 4 clones for about an hour then still mastered SM in a days (the short time it took pain to come from rain to konaha village and both are right next to eachother lol). No, thats really a long time considering it still took naruto a week while using multiple KBs to just learn wind.:rolleyes:




LMAO, naruto all of the sudden got a NE barrier for frog katas that wasnt mentioned in training. Naruto magicly was able to recive the sage chakra from his last clone without using the reverse summoning scroll and somehow SM made naruto not feel the effects of going over 3tail and losing his skin like last time.

Face it, with these ^^^ and the fact SM causes no side effects no matter how much u use it. SM is the ultimate Hax!!!

Then again the MS must be haxxed because it uses the same 3 jutsu its always had. Its just so haxxed it causes blindness from the same three jutsu its always pulling out its ass. The only other jutsu is kamui and it nearly kills kakashi to use it lol.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/418/07/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/420/03-04/

Yes, clearly the Frog Katas had NEVER been mentioned before...

Naruto was gone for weeks, at least a month. Sasuke magically figured out how to use the Amaterasu and the Tsukuyomi on his own in no time flat. His Amaterasu negation and Susano'o, both incomplete and complete, came out of fucking nowhere right when he needed them to. No ability of Sage Mode was not discussed and LEARNED before it came into use. Sasuke's been having his powers handed to him on a silver platter.

That is the textbook definition of PnJ. Not the corruption of 'anything that didn't make sense.' As in the literal, original meaning of the term.

He DIDN'T receive Sage Chakra from his last clone, idiot. His last clone was destroyed when he went 6tails. Clearly you're making shit up, as Naruto did quite clearly have the same skin burning off and whatnot as was before. Sage Mode just really accelerated the process of healing from it. LIKE IT WAS STATED THAT IT COULD.

You clearly can't understand the difference between 'overpowered' and 'haxx.'

A technique, no matter how overpowered, that still follows rational reason, and does not serve to solve all the user's problems in ways that cannot possibly be justified, is not haxx. Haxx is when the technique just destroys any and all rationale, and purely exists as a way of granting further plot armor to the character. Haxx can have a drawback, but the way they operate defies all logic and reason, and only serves to prevent certain outcomes. The MS is total haxx.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-01-2010, 10:06 PM
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http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/418/07/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/420/03-04/

Yes, clearly the Frog Katas had NEVER been mentioned before...

I didnt say it wasnt mentioned, but the NE barrier came from left field.


Naruto was gone for weeks, at least a month

Pain leaves for konahahttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/407/17/

Naruto leaves for Myubokuton for sage traininghttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/409/11/

Yet naruto mastered SM and fought pain a couple days later after pain had arrived and torn up konaha. Thats a COUPLE DAYS maximum. Lol, this is whats refered to as PLAJ. Plot Learning Accelerated Jutsu!

. Sasuke magically figured out how to use the Amaterasu and the Tsukuyomi on his own in no time flat. His Amaterasu negation and Susano'o, both incomplete and complete, came out of fucking nowhere right when he needed them to. No ability of Sage Mode was not discussed and LEARNED before it came into use. Sasuke's been having his powers handed to him on a silver platter.

LMAO, sure because sasukes tsukuyomi just sucks, not his skill with it. If what u say is true then sasukes tsukuyomi would be like itachis and instawin, but unfortunatly tsukuyomi by itself isnt instawin. And amaterasu is pretty basic, but sasukes a ninjutsu type so his control of a ninjutsu is going to be far better then any genjutsu which is why he uses amaterasu with such ease.

Ur bitching about sasuke mastering just 2 jutsu after 3 big ass fights? (tsukuyomi is still crap so it doesnt count).

Lol, sure sasukes MS jutsu were handed. Wait, those were itachis nonexistant MS jutsu u dunce. Every amaterasu, tsukuyomi and sasanoo sasuke has used is his. And to awaken the MS one has to first master their SG, achieve 4 tomoe and then suffer a devistating loss to gain MS. U cant just disapear for a couple days and come back to fight a weakened opponent with a MS lol.


That is the textbook definition of PnJ. Not the corruption of 'anything that didn't make sense.' As in the literal, original meaning of the term.

B-O-O-H-O-O!!!

Sasuke gets free power ups, the MS takes no skill to use, the MS is so haxxed.:rolleyes: R U SERIOUS!!! Naruto still got the ultimate free power up at birth the kyuubi so STFU about free power ups when narutos kyuubi will outweigh anything sasuke could ever be given in comparison.

Ive already shown the MS takes skill to use and SM is still the ultimate hax because it offers no side effcts no matter how much u use it.

He DIDN'T receive Sage Chakra from his last clone, idiot. His last clone was destroyed when he went 6tails. Clearly you're making shit up, as Naruto did quite clearly have the same skin burning off and whatnot as was before. Sage Mode just really accelerated the process of healing from it. LIKE IT WAS STATED THAT IT COULD.

Sure! Because naruto didnt need a reverse summoning scroll to receive his other two LBs sage chakra right. Face it, that was some plot assisted Hax so get over it.

And it was never stated SM could instaheal like the kyuubi u noob!

You clearly can't understand the difference between 'overpowered' and 'haxx.'

Let me guess by ur bias delusion. ANything the fucking Uchiha do=Hax! Anything naruto does=just overpowered. Gee, U wouldnt happen to be going out for some Frech Fried Pattaters with that kind of Logic, would ya?

A technique, no matter how overpowered, that still follows rational reason, and does not serve to solve all the user's problems in ways that cannot possibly be justified, is not haxx.

By ur own definition thats the MS lol. Simply because the jutsu still follow the same limits set by kishi in previous fights exept for variations thanks to ninjanuity on sasukes part. And the MS doesnt make up for sasukes lack of perception to see what madaras doing to him, nor allow sasuke to be able to use tsukuyomi like itachi could.

Haxx is when the technique just destroys any and all rationale, and purely exists as a way of granting further plot armor to the character. Haxx can have a drawback, but the way they operate defies all logic and reason, and only serves to prevent certain outcomes. The MS is total haxx.]

Im sorry, but u must be high with that logic. How is MS plot armour for sasuke? MS is just another level of SG which is powerful, but has serious drawbacks. Meanwhile narutos SM gives naruto a speed boost, increases his range of attack (frog katas) allows him to sense people, allows him to fight nonstop, allows him to use mutilple rasnegans at once so (increased cordination with hand-eye as well) ect, ecfucking cetera!!!

And the biggest plot armour is SM offers no drawbacks. No matter how much naruto uses it he will never lose anything, just gain gain gain!!!
LMAO, last I checked being able to gain without losing defies nature itself in the sense of balance and harmony. Thats like the existance of only up and no down lol. SM=hax by ur own definition seninkorby.

platinumrug
02-02-2010, 02:38 AM
There's a difference between being born with a bloodline limit as opposed to having something given to you at a young age without your knowledge and being hated for years. Do not compare Kyuubi to SG, it's stupid.

lamps123
02-02-2010, 05:33 AM
Can you stop rambling kyf,well not that i'm surprised but thats like the 100th times you said that. what you do not realise is that everything is plot,naruto learning sage is part of the plot,if pain hadn't destroyed the village and killed kakashi(well he came back to life) and made tsunade almost dead dont you think the story would be alot different,
all you think of is a way of bashing naruto i mean comon did he steal your candy or something,if you even talk about how pain was weak already look at orochimaru before talking.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-02-2010, 11:55 AM
Can you stop rambling kyf,well not that i'm surprised but thats like the 100th times you said that. what you do not realise is that everything is plot,naruto learning sage is part of the plot,if pain hadn't destroyed the village and killed kakashi(well he came back to life) and made tsunade almost dead dont you think the story would be alot different,
all you think of is a way of bashing naruto i mean comon did he steal your candy or something,if you even talk about how pain was weak already look at orochimaru before talking.

Im just pointing out the obvious Hypocricy on this forum. Naruto fans want to whine, bitch and moan about Uchiha powers as Hax/free power ups when naruto still has the ultimate one inside him.

Plot this, plot that, Yamato go hit with a woof-a-ball bat! Thats not the point. Everytime sasuke does something strong, its hax. However, if naruto does something strong, hes just that strong. Lol, let me make a chart for ya.

Kekei genkais:
Sasukes base SG=narutos huge chakra pool and inherint ability to use KBs.

Taking kekei genkais to the next level:
Sasukes MS which offers hax, but with serious side effects<narutos SM which offers hella hax wihtout any side effects unlike the MS.

Kyuubi (which instaheals, fights ur battles for ya and can destroy the entire ninja world)>>>>Sasukes comming eventually EMS, raiton armour, karasu bushin ect ect.

Need I explain more?

EDIT: I fully recognize how sasuke beat Oro just like narutos defeat of pain. However, I dont go around claiming sasuke>naruto because he beat Oro unlike so many naruto fans with naruto, pain.

lamps123
02-02-2010, 02:06 PM
Well me personally have nothing against sasuke and i actually liked him more in p1 but p2 he's been far from impressive in his attitude although no doubt much much stronger,I think everyone on this forum agreed at the beginning of p2 how much stronger sasuke is and of course he was but when naruto got stronger you disagreed even when zetsu said it,and now we dont know who's stronger yet but with time we would tell,i dont see why this argument should go on and on till forever,i'm probably the most unbiased person in this forum lol

platinumrug
02-02-2010, 02:19 PM
Kyuubi isn't something Naruto needed OR ever wanted. Minato put Kyuubi in him because he knew he'd need it to fight a powerful ninja one day in his life. Naruto was NOT born WITH Kyuubi, Sasuke WAS born with the genes for the SG. That's just ridiculous that you're comparing something that someone was born with, with something that someone who never had a say in if he wanted it or not and had been treated like shit for most of his life BECAUSE of it.

lamps123
02-02-2010, 02:24 PM
Well said plat,
the best way to settle this thing is who would be a better ninja if both were taken out,if sasuke has no sharingan and if naruto has no kyuubi.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-02-2010, 02:56 PM
Well me personally have nothing against sasuke and i actually liked him more in p1 but p2 he's been far from impressive in his attitude although no doubt much much stronger,I think everyone on this forum agreed at the beginning of p2 how much stronger sasuke is and of course he was but when naruto got stronger you disagreed even when zetsu said it,and now we dont know who's stronger yet but with time we would tell,i dont see why this argument should go on and on till forever,i'm probably the most unbiased person in this forum lol

Of i disagreed because 1. Zetsu said Probably stronger and 2. Zetsu had to heuvos to claim naruto beat pain all by himself which is complete BS.

Im not arguing whos stronger, just the Hypocrisy going on in this forum concerning Uchiha power=hax, senju power=just power.

Kyuubi isn't something Naruto needed OR ever wanted. Minato put Kyuubi in him because he knew he'd need it to fight a powerful ninja one day in his life. Naruto was NOT born WITH Kyuubi, Sasuke WAS born with the genes for the SG. That's just ridiculous that you're comparing something that someone was born with, with something that someone who never had a say in if he wanted it or not and had been treated like shit for most of his life BECAUSE of it.

I didnt compare the SG of sasukes to narutos Kyuubi LMAO. I comapred Sasukes SG to narutos huge ass chakra pool and natural KB talent. Both are inherint from father, mother or clan so theyr compareable.

The only thing sasuke ever got that was compareable to narutos Kyuubi was the Curse seal seeing as how he didnt even want the damn thing to begin with as well.

And Technically, since minato narutos father gave naruto power at birth. The Kyuubi is an inheritance from minato which makes it a family given power wether naruto wanted it or not. Lol, any inherited power from anyone is wanted or unwanted depending on the person. Right now narutos just stuck in his "half glass empty, pitty party" state of mind where the Kyuubis power is a curse. Yet, the moment naruto gets the chance he will emrace the Kyuubis power and use it as a gift.

Well said plat,
the best way to settle this thing is who would be a better ninja if both were taken out,if sasuke has no sharingan and if naruto has no kyuubi.

LMAO, narutos inherint powers are senju, huge chakra pool and Super Kage bushin talent from either mother or father. So sasuke loses his inherint power, but naruto gets to keep his?

The Special One
02-02-2010, 03:12 PM
This is what I think in regards to Naruto's chakra:

Naruto doesn't get his large chakra supply from his father... Naruto's chakra is strong and as dense as it is because it had to shoulder the burden of putting up with the Kyuubi's chakra since he was an infant... All hosts has strong base chakra because their own chakra is used to manage their beast's chakra... Over a period of years the hosts' chakra becomes stronger as it is used as a kind of defense so that the host doesn't get eradicated by the Bijuu's chakra (in case for why Naruto does't die when he goes into 4th-6th tailed states)...

Since Naruto has so much stamina (in part due to the Kyuubi), he can hold the shadow clones for a lot longer (that's why Yamato made it his purpose to control the Kyuubi, so that Naruto would be able to train with 1000 shadow clones no sweat)...

The Kyuubi made Naruto's base chakra stronger than it would have been if Naruto never had the Kyuubi sealed with in him... If you take the Kyuubi away from Naruto (and he some how lives), Naruto's base would still be above strong due to it being buffed from handling the Kyuubi all those years...

edit: After all, Naruto's chakra had to do a little suppressing considering the seal was weakening with each year, that meant more of the Kyuubi's chakra began leaking in (that was a major event during the first part of Part II)...

End of speculation...

AOTKorby
02-02-2010, 03:46 PM
Im sorry, but u must be high with that logic. How is MS plot armour for sasuke? MS is just another level of SG which is powerful, but has serious drawbacks. Meanwhile narutos SM gives naruto a speed boost, increases his range of attack (frog katas) allows him to sense people, allows him to fight nonstop, allows him to use mutilple rasnegans at once so (increased cordination with hand-eye as well) ect, ecfucking cetera!!!

And the biggest plot armour is SM offers no drawbacks. No matter how much naruto uses it he will never lose anything, just gain gain gain!!!
LMAO, last I checked being able to gain without losing defies nature itself in the sense of balance and harmony. Thats like the existance of only up and no down lol. SM=hax by ur own definition seninkorby.

I'm going to ignore the rest of your post because it's just as much complete bullshit, but not as worthy of getting torn apart as this particular section.

I love how you say that SM is hax by my definition when the way you described it explicitly keeps it out of my definition of hax. "Offers huge gain with no drawback?" That's overpowered, not hax. MS has consistently served to do exactly what Sasuke needed it to in order to not die for about 80 chapters now. In ways that defy all logic. That come out of nowhere without explanation. That's my definition of hax. Don't try to turn other people's words against them without any way of doing so aside from your own fanboy-ing.

If Naruto were born with real, natural talent that needed little polishing and refining, why he'd be Yellow Flash 2.0 by now. SG is something that all it takes is for it to be unlocked, often in ways that require no actual training or effort on the part of the Uchiha, just that they are placed in a situation where they absolutely need it...wait a minute that sounds like HAX. If Naruto were honestly born with natural ability and natural talent, we'd have freaking seen it by now. The only thing that he's displayed is learning really, really fast. He's got no 'natural shadow clone talent', it took him mere hours to deduce the technique, but before he had the scroll that taught him it, he was unable to even perform the basic clone illusion. He doesn't have 'natural talent' that we've seen the way that Sasuke was just 'born lucky'. All he's got in his blood realisitically is a large amount of chakra and being a fucking genius (book dumb, school's the only thing he's not smart at). Sasuke had that, AS WELL AS the SG, AS WELL AS 'natural talent' with ninjutsu. How can you argue that Naruto has just been 'given' things in his life the way Sasuke has? Heck, the REASON Sasuke was so much stronger than Naruto at the start of part II was because he used STEROIDS to accelerate his progress. If that's not cheating I don't know what is.

@Special One: Clearly Naruto has SOME genetics from his father regarding a fuck ton of chakra, since the guy actually managed to use the RDS to seal a freaking Bijuu. It would have taken all of Hiruzen's strength to seal 3 people. The sheer difference in difficulty of sealing here, especially since Minato was STILL ALIVE after performing the seal, enough so that he could add an additional seal AND alter the first seal with provisions is tantamount to how much effing chakra the guy has.

The Special One
02-02-2010, 04:33 PM
@Special One: Clearly Naruto has SOME genetics from his father regarding a fuck ton of chakra, since the guy actually managed to use the RDS to seal a freaking Bijuu. It would have taken all of Hiruzen's strength to seal 3 people. The sheer difference in difficulty of sealing here, especially since Minato was STILL ALIVE after performing the seal, enough so that he could add an additional seal AND alter the first seal with provisions is tantamount to how much effing chakra the guy has.

Hiruzen was an old man when he fought Orochimaru, his stamina wasn't what it was. And I'm not saying Naruto didn't get any genetics from his father, but Naruto's extremely high chakra may have much more to do with the fact that he was made into a host... Chiyo embedded the Ichibi into Gaara... It just takes a shinobi of extraordinary talent with seals to be able to seal a Bijuu into someone else (though usually someone has to die as a result)...

As for the Senju blood well any number of people in Konoha could be of Senju inheritance (I bet nothing above 1/16, or something as average)... Basically, Senju blood has nothing to do with Naruto's powers... Jiraiya was known to have a lot of chakra however, we hear nothing about his parents... He has strong chakras because his jutsu requires that he has a butt load of chakra to use them... This isn't fact that it works that way but it may just be all down to skill, stubbornness, and diligence to push on forward and master jutsu... Some people just can't do it...

AOTKorby
02-02-2010, 05:05 PM
Hiruzen was an old man when he fought Orochimaru, his stamina wasn't what it was. And I'm not saying Naruto didn't get any genetics from his father, but Naruto's extremely high chakra may have much more to do with the fact that he was made into a host... Chiyo embedded the Ichibi into Gaara... It just takes a shinobi of extraordinary talent with seals to be able to seal a Bijuu into someone else (though usually someone has to die as a result)...

As for the Senju blood well any number of people in Konoha could be of Senju inheritance (I bet nothing above 1/16, or something as average)... Basically, Senju blood has nothing to do with Naruto's powers... Jiraiya was known to have a lot of chakra however, we hear nothing about his parents... He has strong chakras because his jutsu requires that he has a butt load of chakra to use them... This isn't fact that it works that way but it may just be all down to skill, stubbornness, and diligence to push on forward and master jutsu... Some people just can't do it...

It's obvious that the bijuu have some degree of effect on the chakra of their hosts. Sand element is not normally usable, but Gaara obtained it FROM the Ichibi, and it stuck with him despite losing the bijuu.

The seals all draw on the user's chakra to suppress the bijuu, so it is natural that having to do so over time would drastically strengthen the chakra of the host. But you can't say that genetics had nothing to do with it.

The Special One
02-02-2010, 05:41 PM
But you can't say that genetics had nothing to do with it.

Maybe, but how much is uncertain... I just know we can't say Naruto being Senju is the direct cause because any number of people (and the lot of them don't have large chakra supplies) in Konoha (besides the Hyuuga perhaps) are descendants of the Senju of course the Senju interbred with the neighboring clans and the civilians to the point that the Senju bloodline is no more...

platinumrug
02-02-2010, 05:56 PM
Kyuubi is not a fucking inheritance, are you kidding me? LOL, you make it sound as if Kyuubi was a family heirloom or some shit, lol.

ask me anything
02-02-2010, 06:29 PM
In all likelihood naruto has very little (if any) senju bloodline. I just got through taking a biology class last semester and one of the things we talked about was dominant and recessive genes. I'll keep it simple and spare you all the boring details. Senju DNA is (IMO) likely a recessive trait and not a dominant one. If it were dominate then in almost every instance the offspring of a senju/non-senju couple would have the dominant senju ability and we would have many senju kids running around, but that's not the case so it's recessive . If 2 people were carriers of a particular recessive gene (like senju bloodline) it would be possible for a child to be born with that gene active even if it never occurred in either parent. If only one parent had the gene the chance of it actively presenting itself is astronomical small.

So even if minato was the carrier of a dormant senju bloodline, he married a woman from the whirlpool country who would not likely have that same trait. Thus the chance of naruto having that trait is very very slim.

AOTKorby
02-02-2010, 06:30 PM
Kyuubi is not a fucking inheritance, are you kidding me? LOL, you make it sound as if Kyuubi was a family heirloom or some shit, lol.

THE NINE TAILED FOX HAS BEEN PASSED DOWN THE NAMIKAZE FAMILY FOR GENERATIONS!

/FMA reference

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-02-2010, 08:48 PM
[QUOTE]I'm going to ignore the rest of your post because it's just as much complete bullshit, but not as worthy of getting torn apart as this particular section.

The denial is strong in this one Obi-one. Ha Haaaaaaaaaa.

U tear ur own posts apart with ur Mice of men Logic.

I love how you say that SM is hax by my definition when the way you described it explicitly keeps it out of my definition of hax. "Offers huge gain with no drawback?" That's overpowered, not hax. MS has consistently served to do exactly what Sasuke needed it to in order to not die for about 80 chapters now. In ways that defy all logic. That come out of nowhere without explanation. That's my definition of hax. Don't try to turn other people's words against them without any way of doing so aside from your own fanboy-ing.

Now ur changing ur own definition, lol. U said ur self that hax defy nature, did u not. Well, last I checked SM wasnt the fucking philosipher stone so naruto should have to give to get, not just get get get.

Ur just mad sasukes mastered his MS and no longer the noob that faced KB all those chapters ago. Ur just insecure for ur heros chances of winning if they were to meet next chapter because lets face it. If sasuke can solve Izanagi and put to gether a strategy to counter it all while fighting a fast paced battle then sasuke will do the same for narutos SM.

If Naruto were born with real, natural talent that needed little polishing and refining, why he'd be Yellow Flash 2.0 by now. SG is something that all it takes is for it to be unlocked, often in ways that require no actual training or effort on the part of the Uchiha, just that they are placed in a situation where they absolutely need it...wait a minute that sounds like HAX.

Calm down Senninforeskin!

Firts of all do u even read the damn manga??? Seriously, because its said only a select few of the Uchiha ever awaken the SG so ur an idiot. Ur acting like sasukes just some average Uchiha when he actually the one of the strongest ever right behind madara u dunce. Ur claiming the SG/MS is haxxed when sasuke is just that fucking good u narutard.

If Naruto were honestly born with natural ability and natural talent, we'd have freaking seen it by now. The only thing that he's displayed is learning really, really fast. He's got no 'natural shadow clone talent', it took him mere hours to deduce the technique, but before he had the scroll that taught him it, he was unable to even perform the basic clone illusion. He doesn't have 'natural talent' that we've seen the way that Sasuke was just 'born lucky'.

Now I know u dont read the manga because naruto couldnt even create a D ranked clone, but once he was shown by a piece of paper he could make a kage bushin. So, obviously naruto has an affinity for kage/shadow otherwise he'd still be trying that shit lol.

Note: Light and shadow are apart of elemental chakra crap which yamato mentioned so its pretty much a given till its made canonz.

All he's got in his blood realisitically is a large amount of chakra and being a fucking genius (book dumb, school's the only thing he's not smart at). Sasuke had that, AS WELL AS the SG, AS WELL AS 'natural talent' with ninjutsu. How can you argue that Naruto has just been 'given' things in his life the way Sasuke has? Heck, the REASON Sasuke was so much stronger than Naruto at the start of part II was because he used STEROIDS to accelerate his progress. If that's not cheating I don't know what is.

Lol, so narutos not gifted with ninjutsu or senjutsu as well? He didnt master wind and rasengan in a mere week? Naruto didnt master SM in a couple days???

All u do is ignore narutos narutal talents while exagerating and bitching about sasukes.

ANd LMFAOWROFL!!!! Sasuke didnt use steroids u dunce. Sakura said he might of used drugs to accelerate his progress, but that was because everyone was in denial like u about how strong sasuke had got.

Lol, if sasuke was able to go from being no match for garra or lee to being able to beat both no problem in a month then whats so hard to believe about the progress of two years feuled by pure hate?

Kyuubi is not a fucking inheritance, are you kidding me? LOL, you make it sound as if Kyuubi was a family heirloom or some shit, lol.

OK, lets say the Kyuubi is the Ultimate Gift for a ninja and narutos that ninja. Lol, even minato recognized how useful the Kyuubis power is for naruto. Its just that naruto is big of a noob to realize it himself.

I mean if naruto wouldve spent as much time training to control the kyuubi as he did with wind rasengan and SM then he wouldve probably already mastered the kyuubi by now so when pain came a knocking naruto wouldve been able to whipe his ass with pain instead of letting the leaf get annihilated.

The Special One
02-02-2010, 09:14 PM
Its just that naruto is big of a noob to realize it himself.

Well it's not Naruto's fault he's not as versed in controlling the Bijuu than he should be... He grew up for 12 years being shunned for having the beast within him... He's still kind of new in that reserve in compared to the other hosts (since they grew up and trained together with their Bijuu)...

Naruto began to learn how to manage and demand the Kyuubi's chakra for 2 and a half years however, Yamato said Naruto shouldn't rely on the Kyuubi (because it's not his power and it could potentially hurt allies)... If Naruto were to ever be in a situation that he would use the Kyuubi's chakra, Yamato would control and regulate it (like he did when Naruto was training to learn wind manipulation)...

Then Kishi became a renigger and brought up the Key, which basically can unleash the Kyuubi's chakra in full, or renew the seal... The key is important for Naruto to master some forbidden jutsu, or some sort... So I guess Naruto will eventually have to learn more about his powers considering Minato said he wouldn't repair the seal anymore...

But we can't blame Naruto for not wanting to initially use it on his own... He's been told not to use it, and he knows what could happen if he loses control... But we all know he has to learn how sometime because he's missing out on a lot of power, power Jiraiya and Minato wanted Naruto to tap into...

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-02-2010, 09:21 PM
Well it's not Naruto's fault he's not as versed in controlling the Bijuu than he should be... He grew up for 12 years being shunned for having the beast within him... He's still kind of new in that reserve in compared to the other hosts (since they grew up and trained together with their Bijuu)...

Naruto began to learn how to manage and demand the Kyuubi's chakra for 2 and a half years however, Yamato said Naruto shouldn't rely on the Kyuubi (because it's not his power and it could potentially hurt allies)... If Naruto were to ever be in a situation that he would use the Kyuubi's chakra, Yamato would control and regulate it (like he did when Naruto was training to learn wind manipulation)...

Then Kishi became a renigger and brought up the Key, which basically can unleash the Kyuubi's chakra in full, or renew the seal... The key is important for Naruto to master some forbidden jutsu, or some sort... So I guess Naruto will eventually have to learn more about his powers considering Minato said he wouldn't repair the seal anymore...

But we can't blame Naruto for not wanting to initially use it on his own... He's been told not to use it, and he knows what could happen if he loses control... But we all know he has to learn how sometime because he's missing out on a lot of power, power Jiraiya and Minato wanted Naruto to tap into...

But thats why narutos suppost to have Epic traning to control the Kyuubi. Yamatos not always going to be around to bail naruto out when the Kyuubi takes over so its up to naruto to be independent and lear how to control the power himself.

Now that minato told naruto that the Kyuubi power was for naruto to use against madara Im sure naruto will finally be willing to try and control the power. IMO, minato meant for naruto to combine the kyuubi power and FTG into a whole new jutsu that could beat Madara.

The Special One
02-02-2010, 09:32 PM
But thats why narutos suppost to have Epic traning to control the Kyuubi. Yamatos not always going to be around to bail naruto out when the Kyuubi takes over so its up to naruto to be independent and lear how to control the power himself.

Yeah he could have been had that... But Kishi decided not to have it that way and then mid-way through decided change his mind... I agree that Naruto should train on his own... The shadow clone method could help him divide the time up as well. Naruto has been left with the key to his seal... In my opinion, that's all he needs... But I'm wondering how Kishi is going to work that out...

IMO, minato meant for naruto to combine the kyuubi power and FTG into a whole new jutsu that could beat Madara.

I don't know... I mean can those two things really be combined like that? And what will it cause? I just don't see it...

If it was just simply learning the FTG first, Naruto would have been able to pull it off (but since he can't, he probably doesn't have any clue)... But it's most likely possible that the FTG and its secrets have been long lost in history... Besides, who wants Naruto to be a carbon copy of his father? FTG is about swift precision like striking...They're styles are completely different... But that's just my opinion...

I mean Naruto could perhaps have a variation but nothing too similar to Minato's signature...

ask me anything
02-02-2010, 09:33 PM
Now ur changing ur own definition, lol. U said ur self that hax defy nature, did u not. Well, last I checked SM wasnt the fucking philosipher stone so naruto should have to give to get, not just get get get.

SM isn't hax dude, it has it's limitations. It can only be used for limited amount of time and has only so many charges until it runs out. Likewise MS techs can only be used so many times in a row, and susanoo hurts sasuke more the longer he uses it, so that places a time limit on it also. So both sasuke and naruto have significant limitations for their ultimate moves. The only difference between the 2 is that naruto actually did train for SM unlike sasuke did for MS.

Ur just mad sasukes mastered his MS and no longer the noob that faced KB all those chapters ago. Ur just insecure for ur heros chances of winning if they were to meet next chapter because lets face it. If sasuke can solve Izanagi and put to gether a strategy to counter it all while fighting a fast paced battle then sasuke will do the same for narutos SM.
yep sasuke's a genius,no argument their. Naruto has his own kind of intelligence though. Both of them have 1 hit KO techs that could take out the other, so it's just a matter of who has the better strategies.


Now I know u dont read the manga because naruto couldnt even create a D ranked clone, but once he was shown by a piece of paper he could make a kage bushin. So, obviously naruto has an affinity for kage/shadow otherwise he'd still be trying that shit lol.
Come on you know better than that. Naruto sucked ass in the beginning because he was a lazy student with no reason to even try. He trained his ass off to learn kage bushin. Where does it say he has an affinity for shadow clones??? It just states he's the only 1 who has enough chakra to use it effectively.

Lol, so narutos not gifted with ninjutsu or senjutsu as well? He didnt master wind and rasengan in a mere week? Naruto didnt master SM in a couple days???Shadow clone training dude. It was already said that without shadow clones it would have taken years to create rasen-shuriken. That's PnJ not hax;).



Lol, if sasuke was able to go from being no match for garra or lee to being able to beat both no problem in a month then whats so hard to believe about the progress of two years feuled by pure hate?I agree with that during time skip his power increas was where it should be, but after the itachi fight he's started to climb through the roof. There's no way he should be this strong this fast.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-02-2010, 09:55 PM
Yeah he could have been had that... But Kishi decided not to have it that way and then mid-way through decided change his mind... I agree that Naruto should train on his own... The shadow clone method could help him divide the time up as well. Naruto has been left with the key to his seal... In my opinion, that's all he needs... But I'm wondering how Kishi is going to work that out...



I don't know... I mean can those two things really be combined like that? And what will it cause? I just don't see it...

If it was just simply learning the FTG first, Naruto would have been able to pull it off (but since he can't, he probably doesn't have any clue)... But it's most likely possible that the FTG and its secrets have been long lost in history... Besides, who wants Naruto to be a carbon copy of his father? FTG is about swift precision like striking...They're styles are completely different... But that's just my opinion...



I mean Naruto could perhaps have a variation but nothing too similar to Minato's signature...

Well, the formula for the FTG could very well be in the toad scroll. And since minatos version coudlnt even touch madara then I think minato intended for naruto to finish the FTG by using his Kyuubi abilites.

SM isn't hax dude, it has it's limitations. It can only be used for limited amount of time and has only so many charges until it runs out. Likewise MS techs can only be used so many times in a row, and susanoo hurts sasuke more the longer he uses it, so that places a time limit on it also. So both sasuke and naruto have significant limitations for their ultimate moves. The only difference between the 2 is that naruto actually did train for SM unlike sasuke did for MS.

Of course it has its limitations, but thats not the point. It offers no negative drawbacks what so ever. Just because SM cant be sustained forever doesnt mean its not hax. I mean if it offered some kind of negative effect with usage then I would agree its not hax, but come on, nothing.

Naruto could go in and out of SM for every minute for the rest of his life and be just fine. However, everytime sasuke uses his MS he seals away his eye sight more and more. And seeing as how Uchihas main power is theyre eyes, thats a big as price to pay for power.

yep sasuke's a genius,no argument their. Naruto has his own kind of intelligence though. Both of them have 1 hit KO techs that could take out the other, so it's just a matter of who has the better strategies.

If ur speaking of strategy then sasuke>naruto. Naruto came up with a 3 step attack to hit hell realm, but with the info and help of katusya on his shoulder. Sasuke figures out and plans steps ahead while fighting so hes the supirior strategist.

Come on you know better than that. Naruto sucked ass in the beginning because he was a lazy student with no reason to even try. He trained his ass off to learn kage bushin. Where does it say he has an affinity for shadow clones??? It just states he's the only 1 who has enough chakra to use it effectively.

Lol, naruto didnt reain his ass off. He trained for about an hour and mastered Kage bushin jutsu, A ranked despite not being able to create a regular D ranked clone Image. Only Inherint talent could allow naruto to such a thing.

Shadow clone training dude. It was already said that without shadow clones it would have taken years to create rasen-shuriken. That's PnJ not hax;).

Shadow clones all the sudden being able to tranfer Info, sage chakra ect up death is Hax. And by Hax I mean a new ability pulled out of nowhere about an already known jutsu.

I agree with that during time skip his power increas was where it should be, but after the itachi fight he's started to climb through the roof. There's no way he should be this strong this fast.

Sasuke before MS was already kage level so with full mastery of his MS its obvious he would be almost Uber. Lol, if u think hes strong now then I hate to see ur reaction when he gains EMS and raiton armour.

The Special One
02-02-2010, 10:31 PM
Well, the formula for the FTG could very well be in the toad scroll. And since minatos version coudlnt even touch madara then I think minato intended for naruto to finish the FTG by using his Kyuubi abilites.

I thought it was just the Key to Naruto's Hakke no Fuuin Shiki... If Jiraiya had the secrets to the FTG all along, how come Jiraiya didn't use it? Jiraiya used Rasengan and then passed it to Naruto...

But of course it would be difficult to hit Madara, considering the only way to hit him is for him to be attacking (this way he has to solidly in order to cause damage)... If Madara just sat there and made the motions of moving but not attacking, it would still be quite difficult to hit him... Considering he can just warp himself out of existence, it would be extremely difficult to land a blow on him... We'll just have to wait for Kishi to come up with a better way, though Torune and Fuu did well at the cost of being sucked up...

ask me anything
02-02-2010, 10:53 PM
Of course it has its limitations, but thats not the point. It offers no negative drawbacks what so ever. Just because SM cant be sustained forever doesnt mean its not hax. I mean if it offered some kind of negative effect with usage then I would agree its not hax, but come on, nothing.

Naruto could go in and out of SM for every minute for the rest of his life and be just fine. However, everytime sasuke uses his MS he seals away his eye sight more and more. And seeing as how Uchihas main power is theyre eyes, thats a big as price to pay for power.

SM has only been used seriously during the pain fight so it's just an assumption that it has not long term side effects. He was using it right shortly before he passed out. Coincidence???? maybe, maybe not. And sasuke has itachi's eyes if he wants them. That makes the MS blindness null.

If ur speaking of strategy then sasuke>naruto. Naruto came up with a 3 step attack to hit hell realm, but with the info and help of katusya on his shoulder. Sasuke figures out and plans steps ahead while fighting so hes the supirior strategist.

Sasuke is the better strategist. It's been shown many times he prepares for his fights before hand. He has summoning tatoo's and hidden weapon ready to use when needed. and of course SG helps him tremendously.

Naruto is the better tactician though. He comes up with shit on the fly in almost every fight he's ever been in. You just can't under estimate that kind of spontaneous thinking.



Lol, naruto didnt reain his ass off. He trained for about an hour and mastered Kage bushin jutsu, A ranked despite not being able to create a regular D ranked clone Image. Only Inherint talent could allow naruto to such a thing.

He trained all night. http://beta.onemanga.com/Naruto/1/24/ hiruzen said himself that it's been half a day since the scroll was taken, and it still took a while before iruka found him. And that's not talent, that's dedication.



Shadow clones all the sudden being able to tranfer Info, sage chakra ect up death is Hax. And by Hax I mean a new ability pulled out of nowhere about an already known jutsu.

you mean like how sasuke just suddenly realised he could put amaterasu out with his other eye, or that he shaped amaterasu into ENTON KAGUTSUCHI, or covering susanoo in amaterasu. I'm sure none of those were hax right:rolleyes:

Sasuke before MS was already kage level so with full mastery of his MS its obvious he would be almost Uber. Lol, if u think hes strong now then I hate to see ur reaction when he gains EMS and raiton armour.

Sasuke wasn't kage level. lol unless your comparing him to weak ass kages like gaara's father. Half dead Itachi was kage level and sasuke still didn't compare to him. And lololol that was after a two and a half years of training. Since then its only been a few months and sasuke's power has gone through the roof. He shouldn't have gotten this strong in that short amount of time.

arctic_knight
02-02-2010, 11:38 PM
Sasuke wasn't kage level. lol unless your comparing him to weak ass kages like gaara's father. Half dead Itachi was kage level and sasuke still didn't compare to him. And lololol that was after a two and a half years of training. Since then its only been a few months and sasuke's power has gone through the roof. He shouldn't have gotten this strong in that short amount of time.

and what about Naruto? he was weak when he meet up with Sasuke again during the Sasuke and Sai arc. and in only a few months after that he has surpassed him in strength/power, that's even more of a feat than what Sasuke has done. Both character's are plot haxed, so just let it die already

platinumrug
02-03-2010, 12:07 AM
That I can accept, so I'll leave it at that.

GYX
02-04-2010, 07:33 AM
and what about Naruto? he was weak when he meet up with Sasuke again during the Sasuke and Sai arc. and in only a few months after that he has surpassed him in strength/power, that's even more of a feat than what Sasuke has done. Both character's are plot haxed, so just let it die already

Naruto was depleted after fighting Oro. He was passing out just by walking.

4 tails>>>>>>> sasuke at that time.

AOTKorby
02-06-2010, 08:28 AM
Yeah he could have been had that... But Kishi decided not to have it that way and then mid-way through decided change his mind... I agree that Naruto should train on his own... The shadow clone method could help him divide the time up as well. Naruto has been left with the key to his seal... In my opinion, that's all he needs... But I'm wondering how Kishi is going to work that out...



I don't know... I mean can those two things really be combined like that? And what will it cause? I just don't see it...

If it was just simply learning the FTG first, Naruto would have been able to pull it off (but since he can't, he probably doesn't have any clue)... But it's most likely possible that the FTG and its secrets have been long lost in history... Besides, who wants Naruto to be a carbon copy of his father? FTG is about swift precision like striking...They're styles are completely different... But that's just my opinion...

I mean Naruto could perhaps have a variation but nothing too similar to Minato's signature...

Well, considering that Minato invented the FTG and the Rasengan, I think it's safe to say that precision strikes weren't all that the FTG was good for...

Besides, Naruto is a fuuton user. He already knows the precision strikes anyway. They're the basis of his entire element.

Given that Minato taught his other 2 invented techs to exactly one person each (Kakashi just copied Rasengan, he wasn't taught it), it's quite within the realm of reason that he'd have taught SOMEONE the FTG.

Given that the Kyuubi's chakra is what can only be described as 'ridiculous', using its chakra for a replicated FTG would likely have some result that would make the technique significantly stronger.

The Special One
02-06-2010, 03:56 PM
it's quite within the realm of reason that he'd have taught SOMEONE the FTG.

Who, is the problem... Jiraiya is dead, both Rin and Obito are dead, and Kishi might never reveal Minato's other two teammates... The only other place I would think it could be recorded would be within one of Jiraiya's scrolls however, we've never seen Jiraiya use FTG. And Kakashi hasn't used it either... So far at least, it might just be lost in history...

Given that the Kyuubi's chakra is what can only be described as 'ridiculous', using its chakra for a replicated FTG would likely have some result that would make the technique significantly stronger.

But what would the Kyuubi's chakra do for the technique? It is a space time transfer, so the Kyuubi's chakra would only serves as a means for delivering a stronger blow... Naruto can use Sage Mode for that... And going by off what Jiraiya said, it takes complete mastery over the Kyuubi's chakra to be able to complete that jutsu... Why would it take that much chakra and control when the 1st tailed state could be more than suffice to make FTF stronger (in terms of strengthening the impact)? And mind you I'm saying if Naruto even learns it...

That's why I think "That jutsu" is something else... Not saying you're wrong, I just don't see how more complete FTF could be... With the FTG, there's no need to be extremely powerful because Minato could easily slit throats, and it saves more chakra that way I bet...

AOTKorby
02-06-2010, 06:56 PM
Well, we've seen that the Kyuubi clearly has some kinda tie to the SG. The SG apparantly has not only epic automatic skill with Genjutsu, but also evidently epic skill with Shunshin and other space/time techs. So it's possible the Kyuubi would also be able to do such things if it weren't all but mindless when released. Basically, it could potentially turn the FTG into something on a higher caliber even than Madara's technique.

Though, in all honesty, I do not see Naruto learning the technique at all unless he were to lose the Kyuubi to Madara.

TheSixthHokage
02-06-2010, 08:56 PM
SERIOUSLY PEOPLE, this is the Versus Thread. Unless you are discussing a theoretical match-up, keep it outside of here.

How about:

Sai and Kiba versus Lee and Sakura?

AOTKorby
02-06-2010, 09:00 PM
Sai and Kiba win, hands down.

Sai's entire strategy basically screws over Lee's, Sakura has no chance, and Kiba's taijutsu just make it more unbalanced.

ask me anything
02-06-2010, 09:19 PM
sakura and lee win this easily. sakura could KO kiba or sai in 1 hit. Lee with 3 gates beats anybody there. What could kiba possible do to beat anyone??? Sai is good taijutsu-wise but lee is way better.

AOTKorby
02-06-2010, 10:22 PM
Sai = Ridiculous long range. Neither Sakura nor Lee have ANYTHING that can handle long range. Sai has trained as an ANBU his whole life. Sakura and Lee graduated the Academy at 12. It's fairly safe to say that Sai COMPLETELY outclasses either of them. Kiba + Akamaru would just act to bolster Sai's strategy.

poolangya
02-07-2010, 02:02 PM
Sai + Kiba vs Lee + Sakura

Sakura and Lee are both taijutsu users. One can say that Lee especially with gates on, is a taijutsu master at most. but since they are both tai users, they have one limit, they fight at close range.

Kiba + Akamaru has devastating attacks. but they are taijutsu users as well. Sai is the only one capable of long range. Basically if Kiba+Sai decides to go head on at close range, they lose. but if Sai can keep his distance from the start, he has clear advantage to take out sakura and possibly lee if the fight went on for a long time. Sai can fly, and nobody from his enemies can possibly take him out when he is airborne.

So it depends whether they start at range or at melee distance from each other. If they start at melee range, Lee+Sakura for the easy win. 9-1

if they start at a distance, Kiba+Sai will win after some time. 7-3

superninja
02-07-2010, 03:36 PM
How about Fuu vs Ino. Presume Ino has Shikamaru's intelligence in this fight. They fight in the forest, their starting distance is one kilometer.

poolangya
02-07-2010, 04:14 PM
Fuu vs Ino

both are from the same clan with same special technique, the body switch. Ino is given Shikamaru's level of intelligence, but still chunin rank, but academy level in skills. basically she suck even if she becomes intelligent. meanwhile, fuu is from root anbu. that says something. and he is a sensor. the distance of 1 kilometer has given Fuu an easy win. why? because he can detect Ino's location, while ino can't locate Fuu. Fuu wins this 9-1.

superninja
02-07-2010, 04:38 PM
Fuu vs Ino

both are from the same clan with same special technique, the body switch. Ino is given Shikamaru's level of intelligence, but still chunin rank, but academy level in skills. basically she suck even if she becomes intelligent. meanwhile, fuu is from root anbu. that says something. and he is a sensor. the distance of 1 kilometer has given Fuu an easy win. why? because he can detect Ino's location, while ino can't locate Fuu. Fuu wins this 9-1.

That's true, Ino's chakra lvl are not too high though. What happens if Ino switches into an animal to scout for Fuu then Ino's body would be unconscious and shouldn't give a lot of chakra away, right? Let's say that Fuu won't be able to pin point Ino's location precisely so that Ino has a chance.
I think this fight would be interesting because both of them can transfer their mind into animals and need to stay hidden at the same time because their real body becomes vulnerable when they do the mind switch. I would like to see this fight in manga and that Ino wins.

AOTKorby
02-07-2010, 05:16 PM
Given that Fuu and Torune's entire existences can be chalked up as being anti-hype for the level of skill Ino/Inoichi and Shino respectively display, I don't think it's even a fair fight.

emrys
02-14-2010, 07:35 PM
pein vs madara

pein: well, pein has the rinnengan and the gravity justus, so he could peg madara from far away easily. but there's the 5 sec recharge, so if he missed madara would just pwn him while he recharged. only if madara could get in range of pein in that 5 sec, 'cause i doubt pein would just stand there stupidly and watch. there's also pein's 6 bodies to deal with, which might give madara trouble.

madara: madara's got the sharingan and roughly a 100 yrs of experience copying and mastering probably close to thousands of jutsu. he's also got the dimensional control for long range that could easily defy pein's gravitational jutsu, and the ameterasu that pein would have problems getting rid of. the deciding factor is the whole disappearing/teleportation thing. any attacks pein makes would be useless, 'cause madara would just phase through them. plus, madara could get in a fatal blow on pein while pein's powers are recovering if he teleported close enough to attack.

so: madara>pein. obviously.:rolleyes:

The Special One
02-14-2010, 07:39 PM
Fuu and Torune ripped off Madara's arm... Pain would rip off everything else... Of course that's comparing Pain to the shell of Madara's former self. You know, the Madara who says he has no power and is still injured from a 100 years ago...

poolangya
02-14-2010, 07:41 PM
pein vs madara

given that madara hasn't shown any decent offensive skills as of press time, Pain has this fight hands down.

True he can just suck each body given chance into his pokemask, but as long as animal realm is out on field, he/she can just reverse summon anybody sucked by madara from the other dimension. Pain has lots of offensive skills and i've seen none from Madara. Pain wins this. Pain 9-1 Madara.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-14-2010, 07:43 PM
Obviously madara knows alot about nagato/pain so he would probably sytematicly suck each into his demision a couple at a time from strongest to weakest. Then warp to nagato and suck him in as well. And since nagatos already so skinny he wouldnt last long without food and water. Then again, he would get a fuu and torune meal, but after that he would die of hunger IMO.

lamps123
02-15-2010, 01:07 PM
pain vs madara
I really think madara fails IMO,he just sucks to me,i know he is hyped as the strongest and all but he hasn't shown anything apart from sucking people into another dimension,according to hype he might win(although i dont like him,i wish sasuke should get ems and kill him with naruto lol)

lamps123
02-15-2010, 01:09 PM
haku vs kabuto
at the great naruto bridge
kabuto still as he was in the chuunin exams arc.
anything goes.

superninja
02-15-2010, 02:54 PM
haku vs kabuto
at the great naruto bridge
kabuto still as he was in the chuunin exams arc.
anything goes.

This is the way I see it, Kabuto is faster, can cut things with his chakra hand, he can escape or attack by traveling underground, he can heal himself.
Haku can use the ice mirror jutsu, he is precise with needles, he can use some ice needles attack.
The only way for Haku to win would be to capture Kabuto in his ice mirror prison and then hit his vitals with needles. Otherwise Kabuto wins.

Flashwind
02-15-2010, 05:12 PM
Could I see panel proof of Kabuto going underground? I'm not denying it I just don't recall it happening. Anyway, if he can do that, wouldn't he just need to go underground, lure Haku out somehow, and then just take him out? I question this because I don't know how Haku would be fooled so easily. It would be a decent fight, but with some deception and a decent, swift jutsu, Kabuto could take the win.

lamps123
02-15-2010, 05:24 PM
I bet haku's ice mirrors can ward off doton user's because zabuza mentioned he had defeat many high ranked jounin level ninjas,so IMO he would probably hit kabuto's vitals straight away,he wouldn't be toying around like he did against naruto and sasuke.
so haku wins.

Flashwind
02-15-2010, 05:27 PM
True, I didn't think of that. Kabuto's fast but Haku could easily hit his vitals. The again, we're talking about a guy who knows exactly where his vital points are, and knows exactly how to defend them. But like you said, Haku was whipping Sasuke and Naruto and he wasn't even trying. There wouldn't be tons of needles sticking out of Kabuto's back when Haku was done, just one needle in his neck cutting off his airway. One needle is all it would take to beat anyone.

superninja
02-15-2010, 06:53 PM
Could I see panel proof of Kabuto going underground? I'm not denying it I just don't recall it happening. Anyway, if he can do that, wouldn't he just need to go underground, lure Haku out somehow, and then just take him out? I question this because I don't know how Haku would be fooled so easily. It would be a decent fight, but with some deception and a decent, swift jutsu, Kabuto could take the win.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/164/09/

Anyways, he who controls the terrain controls the victory and Kabuto is more mobile than Haku. I don't think Haku would be able to put Kabuto in ice mirrors, but you never know.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-15-2010, 10:43 PM
Hakus faster, has a better ability (Ice T/S jutsu) and could absolutly pwn kabuto. If he wasnt so soft! Hakus too soft to defeat kabuto as he is because hitting anything, but vitals kabuto can heal himself. And kabutos use genjutsu, doton and chakra scapple with his intellect is just too much for a holding back haku IMO. If Haku somehow got blood lusted because kabuto killed zabuza then yes haku would annihilate kabuto. However, Haku in a standard battle against kabuto is too soft to win IMO.

Marlboro
02-16-2010, 05:55 AM
30% Itachi vs 100% Kisame

superninja
02-16-2010, 05:56 AM
Hakus faster, has a better ability (Ice T/S jutsu) and could absolutly pwn kabuto. If he wasnt so soft! Hakus too soft to defeat kabuto as he is because hitting anything, but vitals kabuto can heal himself. And kabutos use genjutsu, doton and chakra scapple with his intellect is just too much for a holding back haku IMO. If Haku somehow got blood lusted because kabuto killed zabuza then yes haku would annihilate kabuto. However, Haku in a standard battle against kabuto is too soft to win IMO.

Well, lets say Haku is serious this time. He could win by using ice mirrors, and Haku is supposedly also smart. But I don't think Haku is faster, Sasuke part one before the speed training was about the same fast, and Kabuto is a high jounin lvl who exchanged taijutsu with Tsunade.

30% Itachi vs 100% Kisame

This is pretty funny because Kisame is weak to genjutsu, I would say if Kisame fights smart this time then he would win. By fighting smart I mean don't show your face to Itachi and use water clones.

lamps123
02-16-2010, 08:47 AM
Hakus faster, has a better ability (Ice T/S jutsu) and could absolutly pwn kabuto. If he wasnt so soft! Hakus too soft to defeat kabuto as he is because hitting anything, but vitals kabuto can heal himself. And kabutos use genjutsu, doton and chakra scapple with his intellect is just too much for a holding back haku IMO. If Haku somehow got blood lusted because kabuto killed zabuza then yes haku would annihilate kabuto. However, Haku in a standard battle against kabuto is too soft to win IMO.
Yeah very true but thats why i said if he wasn't toying around like he did against naruto and sasuke.

lamps123
02-16-2010, 08:49 AM
30% Itachi vs 100% Kisame
Kisame wins this,if he is with samehada but who knows itachis genjustu ability is unbelievable so he can cause an upset here.

Lalalila
02-16-2010, 08:53 AM
Kakashi vs Sasuke (in his current state) muaha!

platinumrug
02-16-2010, 09:06 AM
Not even a good match-up considering from the spoilers it's about to happen lol.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-16-2010, 11:28 AM
30% Itachi vs 100% Kisame

I dont know how to call that. If samehada can inject chakra into kisame to break him out of genjutsu then kisame for sure because 30% itachis isnt exactly very fast, strong or powerful so without genjutsu hes boned IMO.

But, if genjutsu works then samehada has a new master, Ha haaaaaaa. No longer 30% itachi. Hes 1000% more itachi.


Kakashi vs sasuke (in his current condition).

Well what are sasuke limits here??? Can he still use an MS abilites? Is he on empty with his chakra? IS sasukes sasanoos third arm for face palming itself when sasuke ignores logic and uses exausted powers anyways??

Marlboro
02-16-2010, 01:07 PM
But, if genjutsu works then samehada has a new master, Ha haaaaaaa.
I thought Samehada clinged on to people because of their huge Chakra pool not their skill.And Chakra-wise,Kisame wins this one

AOTKorby
02-16-2010, 05:15 PM
I dont know how to call that. If samehada can inject chakra into kisame to break him out of genjutsu then kisame for sure because 30% itachis isnt exactly very fast, strong or powerful so without genjutsu hes boned IMO.

But, if genjutsu works then samehada has a new master, Ha haaaaaaa. No longer 30% itachi. Hes 1000% more itachi.


Kakashi vs sasuke (in his current condition).

Well what are sasuke limits here??? Can he still use an MS abilites? Is he on empty with his chakra? IS sasukes sasanoos third arm for face palming itself when sasuke ignores logic and uses exausted powers anyways??

Current Limits: nearly blind, outta chakra, cocky as all hell.

TheSixthHokage
02-16-2010, 05:57 PM
Kakashi wins with a moderate amount of exertion. Sasuke's chakra is too depleted and his MS is severely strained. Kakashi is too skilled of an opponent, NOT to use MS against.

poolangya
02-16-2010, 06:14 PM
Haku vs Zabuza

the fight occuring on the bridge would be dreadful for zabuza. sure he has a lot of stealth moves, but so does Haku. Haku is extremely talented and limiting the arena would mean a sure hit on his ice prison jutsu. Haku 8-2 zabuza. Haku wins.


Itachi 30% vs Kisame 100%

30% itachi showed that he is incapable of MS jutsus. the same speed imo, same strength, and same basic ninja skills. Kisame with samehada would murder Itachi at 30%. Genjutsu would be ineffective because of Samehada which is capable of injecting chakra to its wielder. Kisame 8-2 Itachi(30%). Kisame wins

Sasuke vs Kakashi

current conditions? Sasuke should definitely lose. He just fought without being healed. He spammed MS after MS jutsus. He just got involved Kage level fights after Kage level fights. He should be drained. If he pulls up another manda out of his chakraless ass, Kishi is trolling us all. Kakashi should win this effortlessly, Kakashi 9-1 Sasuke.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-16-2010, 06:20 PM
I think you guys are underestimating sasuke alittle. Although Im sure kakashi would eventually win. It wouldnt be until after good little fight with some regular genjutsu, alittle chidori and taijutsu.

poolangya
02-16-2010, 06:47 PM
sasuke is already exhausted as hell. I'm not underestimating him, but given the situation he has been, he should be way past his limits. i'd give sasuke about 6 panels worth of fighting sequence with kakashi, and he should fall down asleep. Kakashi is no pushover, and his mindset is already unto killing Sasuke. Sasuke should deffo find a way out of this mess. He is just in no condition to fight another without summoning pnj for a win.

superninja
02-16-2010, 08:11 PM
Kakashi vs Sasuke at full power - Sasuke wins in most scenarios.

Kakashi vs current Sasuke who doesn't have much chakra left - Kakashi wins.

If Sasuke can't use his mangekyou jutsus, Kakashi has a high chance of winning. Kakashi has water to counter Sasuke's fire, Kakashi can neutralize Sasuke's lightning attacks with chidori (chidori collision), Kakashi has the earth element control (a third element, something Sasuke doesn't have) so he can surprise attack from underground while creating a clone diversion above ground.
Sasuke is maybe faster, but Kakashi is not exactly slow and he has the sharingan so I don't think Sasuke's speed is that much of a factor. Sure, it can help Sasuke get the advantage in some cases.
If Sasuke has enough chakra for one mangekyo jutsu, I think amateratsu would hurt Kakashi the most. It's almost impossible to avoid and if Kakashi is not using clone at that moment he would get on fire.

AOTKorby
02-16-2010, 08:38 PM
The only thing that needs to be said here is that Sasuke better hope that Naruto DOESN'T show up. He at least has the tiniest of chances against Kakashi. A fight against Naruto as he is now would literally be a 10-0 in Naruto's favor. Absolutely no chance of Sasuke winning.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
02-16-2010, 08:47 PM
The only thing that needs to be said here is that Sasuke better hope that Naruto DOESN'T show up. He at least has the tiniest of chances against Kakashi. A fight against Naruto as he is now would literally be a 10-0 in Naruto's favor. Absolutely no chance of Sasuke winning.

Narutos weakness to genjutsu still gives sasuke a chance to escape on his own IMO. In in all out fight though theres no debating it lol. naruto in SM right now would murder him.

TheSixthHokage
02-16-2010, 09:22 PM
I think it's obvious that Sasuke is going to saved (ironically) by Naruto. Sasuke will speak with them and then probably use a genjutsu to make an escape, leading to an inevitable 1 on 1, clean slate battle between the two of them at the Valley of the End.

Danzo (sharingan Arm unleashed, fresh Shisui sharingan) versus Orochimaru (no Edo Tensei of Riggedness, just his Part II inventory of jutsus)

Location: a nondescript plain, both opponents have a fair distance between one another (say 250 m)

Both are equally motivated.

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Thor
02-16-2010, 10:03 PM
I got fight:

Sasuke at the present time fulyl healead + Sakura at the time she fought Sasori + Sage Mode Naruto.

VS

The Legendary Sannin, Jiraya at the time he fought Pain, Tsunada with everyting show up until now, and Orochimaru with no disease and no Edo Tensei.

There are no summons.

Go.

AOTKorby
02-16-2010, 10:17 PM
Jiraiya would get beat by Naruto

Sasuke would beat Orochimaru

Sakura would get beat badly by Tsunade

Naruto and Sasuke together can't possibly lose to Tsunade.

Not even close.

ask me anything
02-16-2010, 10:56 PM
^Well, I agree that tsunade would beat sakura, and sasuke pwns orochimaru (again). Naruto beating J-man, NO WAY.

J-man has years of experience and a lot more jutsu variety. He can defend himself, grab opponents, and shoot needles, all with his hair alone. Swamp the the underworld can swallow up summons, so it would have no problem swallowing up naruto. Toad stomach would stop naruto easy. Only way to break that would be rasen-shurenkin, which would waste far more chakra then J-man would summoning the toad stomach. So J-man wins that exchange. J-man knows a bunch of fire techs. I wonder how that would react with naruto's wind.:cool: LOL, J-man could hit naruto with a flame attack, while he's holding rasen-shurenkin in his hands, and BOOM!!!

Even though it was stated summonings aren't allowed in this fight, there should be an exception for the sage toads. J-man in hermit mode would annihilate naruto. Not to mention J-mans SM doesn't have a time limit. So he could out last naruto. We all know once SM wears off naruto would have no chance against J-man. Not unless he goes kyuubi mode, which shouldn't be allowed in this fight if J-man can't have his summons. Plus I'd like to see Rasen-shuriken get crushed by Giant rasengan. We all saw the craters rasen-shuriken made, but the 3rd databook stated J-mans Giant Rasengan could hollow out a mountain if it exploded. Once again J-man>>>naruto.

J-man 6-4 SM naruto
Hermit Mode J-man 9-1 SM naruto

Then it would be j-man and tsunade Vs sasuke. Don't see sasuke beating both of them, unless he ends his fight with orochimaru quick (genjutsu). So if sasuke still at near strength were to face j-man and tsunade (both worn down from their fights) then it could go either way.

I would have to score it: Old Sannin 6-4 New Sannin

superninja
02-17-2010, 07:12 AM
Danzo (sharingan Arm unleashed, fresh Shisui sharingan) versus Orochimaru (no Edo Tensei of Riggedness, just his Part II inventory of jutsus)

Location: a nondescript plain, both opponents have a fair distance between one another (say 250 m)

Both are equally motivated.

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I will just go with Orochimaru because Oro can regenerate from any injury and Danzo didn't show much attacks, mostly wind that include wind blade and a long range wind attack using his breath and a weird summon that creates a vacuum effect. Oro would brush injuries from such attacks easily while stabbing Danzo with his katana, Danzo has 10 lives and Oro has unlimited amount of lives.
Now there is a way that this fight ends in a draw, and that is that Danzo uses Shisui's eye power to affect Orochimaru's decisions during the fight. Danzo convinces Oro that he is no match for him and that Oro can come close to Danzo without fear and then Danzo activates his death seal that would seal Orochimaru because sealing Oro is about the only way you can kill the fucker.

I got fight:

Sasuke at the present time fulyl healead + Sakura at the time she fought Sasori + Sage Mode Naruto.

VS

The Legendary Sannin, Jiraya at the time he fought Pain, Tsunada with everyting show up until now, and Orochimaru with no disease and no Edo Tensei.

There are no summons.

Go.

This fight can go either way but I will go with the sannin, Sakura is not yet at Tsunade's lvl while Oro and Jiraiya can compete with Sasuke and Naruto.

Amateratsu - useless against Oro, but if it hits Jiraiya or Tsunade it's fatal.
Tsukuyomi- useful against everyone, but Sasuke's version is not a strong illusion.
Susano - gives Sasuke the defense mostly, offensively he won't do much to Oro, Jiraiya or Tsunade. There's a possibility Tsunade tosses it in the air.

Oro should take on Sasuke to keep him occupied because amateratsu is dangerous for the others.
Jiraiya uses summons to go hermit mode so without summons you take away a lot from him. Without summons Sakura, Naruto and Sasuke would win because Naruto could take out Jiraiya. With summons however, sannin win.

Thor
02-17-2010, 09:28 AM
When i said no summons i meant no Gamabunta and big frogs, pa and ma are allowed!

superninja
02-17-2010, 11:23 AM
When i said no summons i meant no Gamabunta and big frogs, pa and ma are allowed!

Ok, but Jiraiya is very good with the big frog summons, he can buy himself time that way to go hermit mode so I think it's more a disadvantage for him than for Naruto. Because Jiraiya is an experienced big frog rider. In that case sanin win, though scenarios could be made where Naruto and co win.

AOTKorby
02-17-2010, 03:53 PM
^Well, I agree that tsunade would beat sakura, and sasuke pwns orochimaru (again). Naruto beating J-man, NO WAY.

J-man has years of experience and a lot more jutsu variety. He can defend himself, grab opponents, and shoot needles, all with his hair alone. Swamp the the underworld can swallow up summons, so it would have no problem swallowing up naruto. Toad stomach would stop naruto easy. Only way to break that would be rasen-shurenkin, which would waste far more chakra then J-man would summoning the toad stomach. So J-man wins that exchange. J-man knows a bunch of fire techs. I wonder how that would react with naruto's wind.:cool: LOL, J-man could hit naruto with a flame attack, while he's holding rasen-shurenkin in his hands, and BOOM!!!

Even though it was stated summonings aren't allowed in this fight, there should be an exception for the sage toads. J-man in hermit mode would annihilate naruto. Not to mention J-mans SM doesn't have a time limit. So he could out last naruto. We all know once SM wears off naruto would have no chance against J-man. Not unless he goes kyuubi mode, which shouldn't be allowed in this fight if J-man can't have his summons. Plus I'd like to see Rasen-shuriken get crushed by Giant rasengan. We all saw the craters rasen-shuriken made, but the 3rd databook stated J-mans Giant Rasengan could hollow out a mountain if it exploded. Once again J-man>>>naruto.

J-man 6-4 SM naruto
Hermit Mode J-man 9-1 SM naruto

Then it would be j-man and tsunade Vs sasuke. Don't see sasuke beating both of them, unless he ends his fight with orochimaru quick (genjutsu). So if sasuke still at near strength were to face j-man and tsunade (both worn down from their fights) then it could go either way.

I would have to score it: Old Sannin 6-4 New Sannin

Jiraiya's SM is nothing compared to Naruto's. Naruto's has virtual invulnerability. He's faster, stronger, and he has the full-powered Frog Kata.

If Naruto doesn't get Kyuubi or summons, and Jiraiya doesn't get summons other than the Sage Toads, the Sage Toads should not fight other than giving Jiraiya Sage Chakra.

If Sasuke and Naruto trade opponents, Sasuke has a chance of surviving long enough for Naruto to crush Orochimaru so that they double team Jiraiya. Tsunade really has nothing going for her in this fight other than being better than Sakura. Her strength is negated by Naruto's SM, her healing means nothing in the face of Amaterasu.

Plus, on the subject of Jiraiya's Giant Ass Rasengan, Naruto used that. A lot. Against Pain. He blew up a fair number of Pain's summons with it. Rasenshuriken still took way more chakra. This, combined with a superior Sage Mode, and being natured, means that there should be no way that Jiraiya's technique would beat FRS.

Orochimaru without his summons has virtually nothing. So he barely factors into the fight.

superninja
02-17-2010, 04:18 PM
Orochimaru without his summons has virtually nothing. So he barely factors into the fight.

He can tank an amateratsu plus a lot of damage, he uses a katana that is pretty sharp and his snake hands and mini snakes shouldn't be counted as big summons. Sasuke is vulnerable to all those attacks unless he uses Susano, so is Sakura, Naruto in sage mode is hyped but I wouldn't say that Oro's katana wouldn't be able to pierce him at least a bit. Oro in his white snake form emits a poison that paralyzes his victims. Orochimaru is useful on the battlefield, if they ignore him Oro will backstab or bite them, if they fight him Oro will tank the damage for the team.

saiyaman
02-20-2010, 10:42 AM
I hope you guys didn't forget that Orochimaru can spam Skin shed no jutsu like there's no tomorrow (refer 4tail Naruto vs Orochimaru). Sasuke did it once and he got pwned and someone thought OMG this jutsu is chakra haxx. lol

platinumrug
02-20-2010, 10:51 AM
Oro without summons has virtually nothing? He HARDLY uses summons, he uses snake jutsu's more than anything. Has there even been any record of him using an elemental jutsu?

TheSixthHokage
02-20-2010, 10:52 AM
Oro without summons has virtually nothing? He HARDLY uses summons, he uses snake jutsu's more than anything. Has there even been any record of him using an elemental jutsu?

He used mud clones against the Third, I believe.

AOTKorby
02-20-2010, 11:02 AM
^IIRC, he's supposed to be Earth and Wind affinity.

His "snake jutsus" would have all the effectiveness against Sasuke and Naruto as shooting rubber bands at an Abrams Tank. Without his giant-ass summons, he's at a disadvantage.

Which reminds me. Why did they have to have Sasuke use MANDA in his GREAT SNAKE ESCAPE? Manda was the only snake we've seen with any actual ability to fight intelligently. Why did they have to kill HIM off? A large number of the toads fight intelligently, and Katsuyu is intelligent. Why is it that we will only ever get to see an intelligent, ninja-technique-using Snake that one time? Not fair, Kishi, not fair.

Dagoro
02-20-2010, 11:47 AM
Has there even been any record of him using an elemental jutsu?

He used a wind jutsu during the FOD.

platinumrug
02-20-2010, 01:55 PM
Ah I see, that fight I believe you're referring to 6th was apart of the anime, the fight on the roof before the third got serious and got into his ninja clothes. And he used fuuton in the FOD? Don't remember that one, but I'm not doubting it.

Well we've only seen MORE than one toad in the entire series, we've never seen any other top snakes or slugs in this series besides Manda and Katsuyu or however her name is spelled.

TheSixthHokage
02-20-2010, 02:54 PM
Ah I see, that fight I believe you're referring to 6th was apart of the anime, the fight on the roof before the third got serious and got into his ninja clothes. And he used fuuton in the FOD? Don't remember that one, but I'm not doubting it.

Well we've only seen MORE than one toad in the entire series, we've never seen any other top snakes or slugs in this series besides Manda and Katsuyu or however her name is spelled.

Yeah, I learned of Naruto from the anime, so all of Part I for me is the anime, while Part II is the manga, since I became a turncoat and don't really like the former anymore (mostly because of fillers).

platinumrug
02-20-2010, 03:18 PM
I'm the same way, I remember back in '05 when I saw a preview for it on Toonami, and I've been watching it ever since. I watched all of the fillers and what not, and then I only found out about the manga because of P2. I watched P2 from the time it started 'til about the end of the arc where Naruto went 4TK. Then I started reading the manga.

AOTKorby
02-20-2010, 03:29 PM
I'm the same way, I remember back in '05 when I saw a preview for it on Toonami, and I've been watching it ever since. I watched all of the fillers and what not, and then I only found out about the manga because of P2. I watched P2 from the time it started 'til about the end of the arc where Naruto went 4TK. Then I started reading the manga.

^Holy shit that's exactly when I started reading it.

Dagoro
02-20-2010, 03:49 PM
Oro using Futon.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/46/17/
Only time in the manga though.

AOTKorby
02-20-2010, 03:54 PM
^the anime changed it, IIRC.

poolangya
02-20-2010, 05:26 PM
Danzo (sharingan Arm unleashed, fresh Shisui sharingan) versus Orochimaru (no Edo Tensei of Riggedness, just his Part II inventory of jutsus)

Location: a nondescript plain, both opponents have a fair distance between one another (say 250 m)

Both are equally motivated.

both are equally motivated and both have jutsus that can make them reappear when you thought them a goner. Defensively, i'd say Danzou's Izanagi can outlast Orochimaru's oral rebirth. btw, what kind of motivation does oro has? he sure likes boys, but old men with sharingan? hmmm i wonder if he would be as motivated as he was with itachi and sasuke.

srsly, danzo is hax. and you removed the hax of orochimaru that can make him debateably the strongest shinobi 1v1 - Edo Tensei. But what remains of Oro's skills are still enough to put him at top 10 offensively. Meanwhile, Danzou has shown us only about less than 5 offensive skills, aside from his decent sword taijutsu. Offensively, Orochimaru has my bets. But the biggest weakness of Orochimaru is his weakness to Sharingan genjutsu. Danzou showed none, unless you count Shisui's mind control. And that puts Danzou at an extreme advantage.
I say Danzou 7-3 Orochimaru. Danzou will win this.

Sasuke at the present time fulyl healead + Sakura at the time she fought Sasori + Sage Mode Naruto.

VS

The Legendary Sannin, Jiraya at the time he fought Pain, Tsunada with everyting show up until now, and Orochimaru with no disease and no Edo Tensei.

There are no summons.

healthy orochimaru means, Sasuke will have a hard time dealing with him. But still Sasuke has genjutsu edge over orochimaru. No Edo tensei means, no insta kill for his enemies.

No summons? i bet you mean giant summons. So jiraiya can have ma and pa to enable him go hermit mode,just that, no frog song and other stuff. you can't mean to remove hermit mode from jiraiya as he would surely be no match against a sage mode naruto. But with Hermit mode, jiraiya stands a fair chance against SM Naruto due to his varied arsenals.

Tsunade would wipe out sakura. Sakura is not a factor in this fight, aside from her healing jutsus. But Healing would not play a part in this fight because the participants of this battle can each do one hit kills on their opponent.

among the 3 legendary sannins, jiraiya would be the toughest based on the circumstances. Orochimaru is a meat tank but his attacks are not as destructive as HM jiraiya. Tsunade has powerful taijutsu and healing(which as i said above is not a factor). meanwhile SMNaruto and currentSasuke are both powerhouses with destructive powers exceeding the sannins. the only trouble the legendary Sannins can give the apprentice sannins is if Jiraiya can dish out Swamp of the underworld. But we have already seen Amaterasu burn through the frog belly.

Sasuke has an ultimate defense and offense in susanoo, has decent genjutsu, and Amaterasu. SM Naruto has superb taijutsu with frog katas, destructive power and jutsus (rasengan variations and rasenshuriken) and has the massive kb's. argue with me, but these 2 far exceeds what HM Jiraiya and Orochimaru can deal.

Sasuke+Naruto+Sakura 8-2 Orochimaru+Jiraiya+Tsunade.

but wait!
If Edo tensei is allowed, and ma & pa frog allowed to participate for HMjiraiya for frog song, Naruto and Sasuke and Sakura will definitely lose.

Human Rasengan
02-23-2010, 02:34 AM
I have a match-up I wonder who would come out on top in a battle between Kankuro and Ten-ten sure Kankuro has puppets and poison but Ten-ten is a one woman weapons arsenal. Plus she sis show a little bit of what could be considered puppet master jutsu when she fought against Temari. I mean what's stopping her from making the worlds largest meat grinding jutsu and running Kankuro and his puppets through it!

AOTKorby
02-23-2010, 03:59 PM
^Kankuro has Sasori's puppet body as his "new" puppet. Tenten's "arsenal" is nothing compared to that.

Vengeance
02-23-2010, 04:10 PM
Oro using Futon.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/46/17/
Only time in the manga though.
Small correction Orochimaru used Fuuton twice http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/48/17/.

stubborn_d0nkey
02-24-2010, 01:20 PM
Ramen guy vs Tazuna

Ramen guy vs Naruto

Kankuro vs Neji

Lalalila
02-24-2010, 01:56 PM
Ramen guy vs Tazuna

Tazuna is old... but he's bridge builder! Ramen guy lose this!

Ramen guy vs Naruto

That's too obvious! Of course Naruto would lose! read it at loud: RAMEN guy

Kankuro vs Neji

I think Neji, he's smarter, do you guys remember what he did with that spider guy? this would end the same way, he would grab one of puppet strings and it's over.

stubborn_d0nkey
02-24-2010, 01:59 PM
That's too obvious! Of course Naruto would lose! read it at loud: RAMEN guy

I wanted to see what the fanboys would say.

Ramen no jutsu FTW

Widana14
02-24-2010, 10:48 PM
^ or maybe

"no more free ramen" no jutsu...
or
"I wont make any more ramen" no jutsu...
that'll inflict a heavy damage on Naruto

Thor
02-26-2010, 11:46 AM
Young Kakashi Without Sharingan vs Base Naruto Part I

Young Kakashi with Sharingan vs Base Naruto Part II


Go! Everything is allowed!

ask me anything
02-26-2010, 07:04 PM
^ If by "Base Naruto" you mean no kyuubi or SM, then kakashi wins both fights.

Even without SG kakashi still had the skills to be a jounin as a kid, while naruto was barely a genin. If naruto didn't use kyuubi chakra he wouldn't be able to use mass shadow clones or boss summons. Rasengan would be his only options against chidori. Aside from that he has no tools to deal with kakashi.

Kakashi with sharigan would be easier. Genjutsu naruto's ass and fight over. Trust me if kakashi could knock out those Root Anbu ninja with genjutsu, then naruto would be no problem

NeoKakarott023
02-26-2010, 10:36 PM
Aizen vs. Son Gohan (Adult)...psyche....

Saiyans Pawn All. Period.

6 Paths of Pein vs. Raichu, Mizukage, Tsuchikage. and Gaara.

Sorry Gaara has no bijuu, none of the 4 showed the ability to summon anything, I'm going with Nagato.

AOTKorby
02-26-2010, 10:55 PM
oh come on. Pain wins hands down. I'd call it no better than 8-2 Pain.

redexploit
03-02-2010, 03:17 PM
6 Paths of Pein vs. Raichu, Mizukage, Tsuchikage. and Gaara.

oh come on. Pain wins hands down. I'd call it no better than 8-2 Pain.

Not a chance. Kages take this.

AOTKorby
03-02-2010, 03:30 PM
Preta Path makes Tsuchikage and Mizukage completely useless. Human Path, Asura Path, and Preta Path together would destroy Raikage. Deva Path has whatever tech it is that causes the rain that lets him sense chakra, (rain makes Gaara's Sand worthless). Beast Path would be tossing summons left and right at the Kage, keeping them from regrouping or anything, and Naraka Path would be constantly reviving any other paths that went down. And Deva Path alone is about as powerful as the other 5 put together. Where are you getting that Pain has a disadvantage anywhere?

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-02-2010, 04:04 PM
Aizen vs. Son Gohan (Adult)...psyche....

Saiyans Pawn All. Period.

6 Paths of Pein vs. Raichu, Mizukage, Tsuchikage. and Gaara.

Sorry Gaara has no bijuu, none of the 4 showed the ability to summon anything, I'm going with Nagato.

lol, Raikage goes super mode and wastes these suckers. Mizu, tsuchi and gaara can just sit around and enjoy the show.

ask me anything
03-02-2010, 06:46 PM
lol, Raikage goes super mode and wastes these suckers. Mizu, tsuchi and gaara can just sit around and enjoy the show.

I hope you were joking. If you really think Raikage could beat pain then you need serious psychiatric help.

All the kage's together could beat pain, but no single kage stands a chance alone.

meh
03-03-2010, 01:28 AM
you guys are insulting the kages :(
sure, with what's known about the kages, it would be pretty eve, maybe leaning towards pain.
but seriously, the kages have barely ever fought in the manga, we know little about mizukage and tsuchikage can do.
raikage a fair amount
and gaara a lot.
but i'm sure gaara's gotten stronger :)

Yamato_123456
03-03-2010, 06:44 AM
Do you think that Naruto will use the wood element such as First Hokage, is this possible or not possible?!?!?!?!?!?!

redexploit
03-03-2010, 08:28 AM
Do you think that Naruto will use the wood element such as First Hokage, is this possible or not possible?!?!?!?!?!?!

http://whodoesshethinksheisanyway.files.wordpre ss.com/2009/10/dumbass_thumb.jpg


1. Entirely NOT possible
2. That question does not belong in the "Vs. Thread"
3. If you read the manga you'd know random characters don't just grow kekkei genkai out of their asses unless they shit sharingans (which might actually be a possibility at this point...)

AOTKorby
03-03-2010, 10:21 AM
Gaara's sand can no longer act of his own accord. His control over sand has not decreased at all, but he doesn't have the Ichibi controlling some of the sand for the truly "absolute" defense.

Mizukage has 2 Kekke-Genkai. But both of these are ninjutsu. Preta Path laughs in the face of Ninjutsu because he can disarm any ninjutsu. Tsuchikage is in the same basic position with what we've seen him be capable of. In other words, so long as Preta Path lived, the two of them would be incapable of doing anything. Preta Path can also disarm Raichu's THUNDER ARMOR, which puts Human Path in a position where it can fight Raichu on even footing (it's the Taijutsu master of the paths). Beast Path constantly throwing Summons at Gaara would make it near impossible for him to keep enough focus on his sand to completely defend himself, which would lead to any of the paths being able to blindside him. Naraka Path can pretty much infinitely heal the other paths, Asura Path is a walking arsenal, and Deva Path is plain and simply broken.

freedom07
03-03-2010, 10:23 AM
the fat absorb pain would not be able to catch raikage

AOTKorby
03-03-2010, 10:25 AM
^Bansho Ten'nin. Deva Path could screw with Raichu big time. He just forces Raichu to Preta path, and Raichu's pretty much done.

redexploit
03-03-2010, 10:43 AM
Sennin:

I absolutely see where you're coming from. Matched up ability to ability, there is nobody that has a wider span/greater variety or techniques than the six paths of Pain.

However, you cannot just assume that certain paths will automatically pair up against specific Kages. For instance, you mentioned Pretta's (Fatty Pain, haha) ability to neutralize any ninjutsu and therefore argued that he would render both Mizukage and Tsuchikage completely useless. What if each of them attacks different targets at the same time? Pain may have shared vision, but he cannot be in two places at once.

Additionally, with respect to Raikage, you mentioned that Preta could also neutralize his raiton armor. Even without the armor, Raikage (from what we have seen) is a top-class taijutsu fighter. In order for Fatty Pain to get close enough to Raikage to absorb his raiton armor, he would also most likely have to take at least a punch from the Black incredible hulk. Remember what one punch did to Juugo?

Each of those Kages has shown massive, high-impact jutsu more than capable of taking down any summons. My point is that you can't just match up each Pain to a specific Kage and say BAM!!

Deva, to me, is the deciding factor. He could potentially turn it both ways. He could either launch each Kage is separate directions and then have Paths with a particular advantage target a specific Kage, or he could potentially blast one or two of the Kages far away from the battlefield temporarily so that the other paths could gang up on the remaining Kages. Or he could Chibaku Tensei the whole lot of them from the get-go. Most likely he wouldn't start with that though.

However, if the Kages could take advantage of the interval (Raikage is fast enough to close any distance in that time, as can Gaara's sand, etc. etc.) then God Pain can be eliminated then the battle is halfway over (assuming he isn't regenerated).

God Pain is just so fucking powerful that it can go either way. He is the only one that can actually take control of any one aspect of the battle whenever he chooses, but we don't know how powerful his techniques will be if Nagato's chakra is being shared among six bodies from the get-go. To many unknowns. Regardless, I want to say that the Kages would win.

EDIT: On manga facts alone, Six Paths of Pain takes it. I won't argue that. I was factoring in that lil' sum sum extra.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-03-2010, 02:05 PM
I hope you were joking. If you really think Raikage could beat pain then you need serious psychiatric help.

All the kage's together could beat pain, but no single kage stands a chance alone.

Im sorry, but in what manag are u reading is pain with his kakashi speed, no SG able to do a thing to stop rai once hes in super mode??? Pains slow as shit and would have serious trouble with base raiton armour raikage. So, once rasi goes super mode and is able to move around instaneously (so damn fast the SG couldnt see a thing) pains screwed. ST and bashi tennin wont even be able to catch the raikage. With raiton armour those chakra rod skewers are useless. And the only one that can take away rai armour is HG realm, but he has to right next to rai gving rai the chace to snatch his head off his shoulders. That is if by some miracle HG could catch him.

Seriously, in what manga is pain able to even see rais movemnets in supermode??? If he can see his movements then he cant defend against the attack commng from behind now can he.

Thor
03-03-2010, 02:55 PM
In fact Rai is God.


Honestly, by the end of the series Rai is gonna be the 4th strongest or something. I actually think he's not even the strongest now...

Yamato_123456
03-03-2010, 03:12 PM
let's change the way of comparison, is Raikage able to overcome Konoha ninja alone (Tsunadi, Kakashi.... others), like Pain, then stand in the face of Naruto?!?!? can he!?!?absolutely no way,,

all the kages together can do something like that, so Pain can't fight them all

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AOTKorby
03-03-2010, 04:17 PM
Hey buddy. If you planned on ever becoming a, you know, actual, contributing member here, you just destroyed any possibility of that happening.

poolangya
03-03-2010, 08:24 PM
pain vs 4 kages

manga feats, just no, 4 kages lose this. they are no way at par against the 6 paths of pain in manga feats.

skill wise, yep you guessed it, no. the 4 kages will lose if they are pitted against the 6 paths of pain, tthe 6 paths is definitely a wall for anybody to break and wouldn't. even Naruto have to summon pnj to win against it. yep i said it. Naruto won by pnj against 6 paths of Pain.

but situation wise potential wise, Kage against a certain path it is strong against, i will make the Kage's win. At the most, 6 paths can deal with 3 Kages at a time, but against 4? i don't think so. Against one kage, even Raikaga, no big deal, 6paths of Pain will take the fight. even if you pit Sasuke right now, 6 paths of Pain will surely take the fight. potentially, no pnj. but 4 kages, no.. just no.. Kages will win by 6-4. And that is because of the benefit of the doubt. 6paths of Pain are against 4 Kage levels after all.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-03-2010, 08:28 PM
I see alot of criticizm, but why not even a single explanation as to how pain would be able tp stop rai in supermode??

AOTKorby
03-03-2010, 08:34 PM
^Preta Path can absorb it. Deva Path can send Rai flying. If Rai loses the THUNDER ARMOR for any time at all, Human Path could wreck his shit.

poolangya
03-03-2010, 08:51 PM
Kyf, yeah, i see i still haven't tackled supermode yet. just for you, I say, Super mode raikage is a bit of an overestimation for him. You see it was said that Supermode of raikage increased his reflexes, which is not = to speed per se. and given that, Pain, esp Deva, is not very slow in comparison. arguably, Deva is at least as fast as Kakashi, which is a bit slower than Kakashi, and as fast as SM Naruto. And before you argue more about Naruto's speed, Yep, recent chapters conclude that Naruto is very fast.

but since i believe you would argue about the comparison of Naruto's supposed speed and Deva's as compared to Rai's with Sasuke's, i would just dwell on the skills. now, Deva path has ST, which can basically blow away anyone and anything, depending on the periphery. even a supermode Raichu won't be able to stand that i believe. added Deva's BT, and CT. i doubt Raikage would stand being pushed and pulled all over the battle field.
Raikage vs 6 paths of Pain = murder, 6 paths win 9-1
Raikage + 1 kage vs 6 paths of pain = murder still, 6 paths 8-2
Raikage + 2 kage's vs 6 paths = still a win for 6 paths 7-3
Raikage + 3 kage's vs 6 paths = a win for the Kages, 4-6.

Pain is just too much based on manga feats and skill sets. Raikage is fast and strong. but his strength and speed wasn't able to kill Sasuke in a second flat. I would argue the same on Pain. Raikage would just fuckin lose to Pain.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-03-2010, 08:52 PM
^Preta Path can absorb it. Deva Path can send Rai flying. If Rai loses the THUNDER ARMOR for any time at all, Human Path could wreck his shit.

Im sorry, I shouldve said "logical explanation".

HG realm will need to be touching rai which would get him killed lol.

Deva realm would actually have to see rais movements to aim his ST or use a spread out ST as defense otherwise deva could ST his own paths trying to hit rai. And since the SG cant even see rai and the SG>BG in seeing fast movements. Devas not going to see shit. Just "where did he go". Then "ouch my head just flew off".

Human realm is shit. If rai farts too hard human realm will die lol.

poolangya
03-03-2010, 08:58 PM
Deva realm would actually have to see rais movements to aim his ST or use a spread out ST as defense otherwise deva could ST his own paths trying to hit rai. And since the SG cant even see rai and the SG>BG in seeing fast movements. Devas not going to see shit. Just "where did he go". Then "ouch my head just flew off".

as for doujutsu, RG>SG>BG, as for sight. i believe it should be the same. therefore, Pain has and advantage compared to Sharingan users against raichu's movements. Deva has the means to hold down Raichu, and if he still has human or hungy ghost realm still active then Raichu's a goner. Now i am not a Pain fanatic, but if you just try to assess their skill set, nobody is giving Pain a run for his money unless PNJ is with the enemy.

AOTKorby
03-03-2010, 08:59 PM
Human Realm caught a punch from Jiraiya. Who was in Sage Mode. Sage Mode Brute Strength > Raikage Brute Strength. Human Realm can also OHKO with the Soul Theft.

Lol, Raikage coming near Preta would result in his Raiton armor magically vanishing.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-03-2010, 09:30 PM
as for doujutsu, RG>SG>BG, as for sight. i believe it should be the same. therefore, Pain has and advantage compared to Sharingan users against raichu's movements. Deva has the means to hold down Raichu, and if he still has human or hungy ghost realm still active then Raichu's a goner. Now i am not a Pain fanatic, but if you just try to assess their skill set, nobody is giving Pain a run for his money unless PNJ is with the enemy.

Lol, WTF??

So since the RG is said to be stronger it can see fast movments better then the SG that actaully slows down fast movements. I suppose the RG can see chakra better even though it cant. ECT ECT.

The RG cant see fast movements like the SG can which is why rai would go super mode and have his way with pain. Rais movements will be instant and unseen no matter how many RG eyes are on rai.


Human Realm caught a punch from Jiraiya. Who was in Sage Mode. Sage Mode Brute Strength > Raikage Brute Strength. Human Realm can also OHKO with the Soul Theft.

Lol, Raikage coming near Preta would result in his Raiton armor magically vanishing.

Wow, Thats freaking DUUUUR tarted buddy. Rais smashing shit to pieces with everything he does and u think SM offers more strength? Maybe brute strength to lift summons, but actual striking force, fuck no!!! Rai would murder Human realms head if he tried to catch that shit, jsut as suigetsus arms were murdered when he tried to stop rais punch.

And WTF are u smoking. Lol, HG realm has to be right next to something to dispell it like thishttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/433/11/

See that, he has to be able to touch the ninjutsu with his barrier to seal it. So HG realm would get killed if he got that close to him lol.

Any other brilliant thoughts as to how pain could actaully stop rai in Supermode??

AOTKorby
03-03-2010, 09:32 PM
^If nothing else: TWO WORDS:

CHIBAKU

TENSEI

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-03-2010, 09:40 PM
^If nothing else: TWO WORDS:

CHIBAKU

TENSEI

Six words: INSTANT SPEED TO OUT RUN IT.

Chibaku tensai just sucks shit up and holds. However, rai could just outrun the the suck of CT with his instant super shushin. Or even if by some miracle CT caught him, SM naruto was strong enough to bust out so Rai will do the same. Lol, hes covered in raiton (raiton>earth) so he can just swim out of that thing.

AOTKorby
03-03-2010, 09:51 PM
^NO.

SM Naruto didn't break out. KN6 couldn't break out. There is no way Rai could break out. It took KN8 to break out, and at that point Pain was pretty much just like "...shit."

You have to consider that CT also fucking SHATTERS the ground of an area the size of a city upon use. Raikage can't build up speed to actually get away in a situation like that. Especially if any of the other 5 paths are still alive and harassing him. He'd get crushed like a grape by CT.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-03-2010, 09:55 PM
^NO.

SM Naruto didn't break out. KN6 couldn't break out. There is no way Rai could break out. It took KN8 to break out, and at that point Pain was pretty much just like "...shit."

You have to consider that CT also fucking SHATTERS the ground of an area the size of a city upon use. Raikage can't build up speed to actually get away in a situation like that. Especially if any of the other 5 paths are still alive and harassing him. He'd get crushed like a grape by CT.

1. Raikage doesnt need to build speed. He moves from 0-holyshit instant speed.

2. Rais covered in raiton so no damn earth is going to harm him. He will just swim out that thing like a giant chidori hand through a mudd ball because again Earth<raiton.

AOTKorby
03-03-2010, 10:01 PM
^It's not Doton. He's basically having the weight of several thousand cubic miles crushing him. Nothing short of a Jinchuuriki can survive that. For God's sake, man, the KN6 Menacing Ball, which, when INCOMPLETE, had a blast radius as large as the crater of Pain's Supercharged ST, didn't SCRATCH CT when it was COMPLETE. Raikage would have no chance of survival.

That's when he's using Shunshin. Running speed, which is what he needs to use (because otherwise, he won't have any traction to prevent Gravity from assraping him), he can't build that up in the veritable obstacle course formed by the ground shattering all around him. If he were to stop for even a moment, he doesn't have the mass to resist CT for even a second. He doesn't have the sheer mass that KN6 did from all the Blood-soaked chakra.

Thor
03-04-2010, 03:04 AM
BUT HE HAS SUPER-MEGA-HIPER-FUNNY-NOSE-BLEEDING-SON-OF-A-BITCH-FASTER-THEN-ROADRUNNER-SPEEDZ!


Honestly, Rai is powerfull... but its Pain we're talking about...

Unless Rai has prior knowledge of all paths... then he's pretty much fucked!

stubborn_d0nkey
03-04-2010, 03:22 AM
4 kages vs 6 paths:

instead of j man - 6 paths
instead of naruto - 4 kages

superninja
03-04-2010, 05:57 PM
4 kages vs 6 paths:

instead of j man - 6 paths
instead of naruto - 4 kages

I think you meant four kages vs Pein instead of Jiraiya and four kages vs Pein instead of Naruto?

Four kages vs Pein in conditions Jiraiya had, four kages could win.
The conditions are that kages don't know who or what pein is and how many bodies there are, so that might get some of them killed but on the other hand kages are strong so they could win despite the disadvantage.

Four kages vs Pein in conditions Naruto had, definitely four kages win.
The conditions are kages have all the Pein bodies in front of them, know their abilities and the body that controls the gravity is unable to attack for some time, more than enough time for Gara, Raikage and the rest to lay waste of the Pein bodies. Gara uses desert burial and destroys at least three bodies by himself.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-05-2010, 02:33 PM
]^It's not Doton. He's basically having the weight of several thousand cubic miles crushing him. Nothing short of a Jinchuuriki can survive that. For God's sake, man, the KN6 Menacing Ball, which, when INCOMPLETE, had a blast radius as large as the crater of Pain's Supercharged ST, didn't SCRATCH CT when it was COMPLETE. Raikage would have no chance of survival.

Lol, what do u not understand about raiton ARMOUR?? Rais covered in raiton so any earth that even touches him should become butter like chidori through a rock. Ur not going to able to compress the raikage with earth as long as hes wrapped in ration with super strength to just full body chidori his way out of there.

That's when he's using Shunshin. Running speed, which is what he needs to use (because otherwise, he won't have any traction to prevent Gravity from assraping him), he can't build that up in the veritable obstacle course formed by the ground shattering all around him. If he were to stop for even a moment, he doesn't have the mass to resist CT for even a second. He doesn't have the sheer mass that KN6 did from all the Blood-soaked chakra.

Lol, again, rais covered in raiton. Some boulders in his way will jsut be run right through like he does walls lol. He doesnt need to stop and go around, just right through.

BUT HE HAS SUPER-MEGA-HIPER-FUNNY-NOSE-BLEEDING-SON-OF-A-BITCH-FASTER-THEN-ROADRUNNER-SPEEDZ!


Honestly, Rai is powerfull... but its Pain we're talking about...

Unless Rai has prior knowledge of all paths... then he's pretty much fucked!

Lol, Im guessing u didnt read the "logical explanation" post did ya:(

All ur doing is moching rais speed while just claiming pain can win just because hes pain. Ha Haaaaaaaaaa!

And for all of pains powers he doesnt have one to deal with rais raw speed in supermode. ST, BT, CT all wont work.

stubborn_d0nkey
03-05-2010, 02:43 PM
^^ i just read the first part so i will only reply to it.

Any earth jutsu vs lighting is not useless. And i emphasize JUTSU btw.
All we can assume so far is that same level earth vs same level lightning: lightning wins. Probably even slightly higher leveled earth would be defeated, but by no means any earth vs any lightning

AOTKorby
03-05-2010, 03:14 PM
Like Stubborn said. It's not "ALL EARTH" that raiton beats. It's DOTON. Lightning Chakra beats Earth CHAKRA. Earth CHAKRA fuels all Doton. But it has jack shit to do with Chibaku Tensei.

Lalalila
03-05-2010, 03:33 PM
Raikage vs Pain? lol

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/429/12-13/

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-05-2010, 04:47 PM
Raikage vs Pain? lol

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/429/12-13/

Lol, that ST didnt even kill shikamaru or anyone else. WFT would that do to a super strong shinobi covered in raiton. If deva was dumb enough to use that jutsu then rai would just survive and kill pain paths that much eaier without deva to help.

Lol, Deva STs, but riakagehttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/463/14/

Deva and the other realms: "where'd he go"

5 seconds laterhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/434/15/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/443/02/

Raikage wins!!!!

AOTKorby
03-05-2010, 05:08 PM
^Lol, the only reason very few people died after that ST was that Tsunade nearly killed herself giving Katsuyu enough chakra to keep them all from dying. Otherwise virtually everyone would have died.

lamps123
03-05-2010, 05:57 PM
Lol, that ST didnt even kill shikamaru or anyone else. WFT would that do to a super strong shinobi covered in raiton. If deva was dumb enough to use that jutsu then rai would just survive and kill pain paths that much eaier without deva to help.

Lol, Deva STs, but riakagehttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/463/14/

Deva and the other realms: "where'd he go"

5 seconds laterhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/434/15/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/443/02/

Raikage wins!!!!
lmao are you joking or serious sometimes i cant tell lol
it didn't kill shika because katsuyu protected him lol
and you are forgetting bansho tenin
seriously no way in hell can rai win against pain.

poolangya
03-05-2010, 07:07 PM
seriously,

without info on pain, anybody will lose

without pnj, anybody will lose

withou intervention one on one, anybody will lose

and that list includes minato, raikage, madara, etc.

pain is just the uber villain kishi created that, too bad, has to be part t=of a filler arc to hype a certain character..damn.

4 kages have a chance i agree 6-4

but 3 kages even including raikage, just no. raikage just attacks a linear pattern. he would get annihilated early in the fight. Pain is just too much if you haven't got the numbers. one on one, he is nearly invincible, unless you have pnj on your side.

AOTKorby
03-05-2010, 07:47 PM
^Minato would have a chance because he's basically got a level of untouchability on par with Madara's. It would be very strong odds against him, but he theoretically could pull it off. It'd be like 9-1 or 8-2 or something.

NeoKakarott023
03-05-2010, 09:56 PM
Minato was a beast, he wouldv'e defeated Pein, I believe every past Hokage would've defeated Pein except for Tsunade. Raichu would have died fast, with summons coming at him, and chakra disruptor spears, and sorry he has no answer for Shinrai Tensei. He would've been flattened just like Konoha was... a parking lot.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-06-2010, 07:56 AM
^Lol, the only reason very few people died after that ST was that Tsunade nearly killed herself giving Katsuyu enough chakra to keep them all from dying. Otherwise virtually everyone would have died.

A slug doesnt protect from Impact of a ginat ST LMAO. It just heals minor wounds and restores some chakra from what I understand. And what about random anbu guy and tsunade who were in mid air. Neither were even hurt at all by such an attack. And although tsunade has awesome brute strength. rais is on a whole other level so why the hell would the ginat ST do shit to him.

Not to mention since hes covered in raiton when the giantt ST pushes him into the ground he should just pierce the ground and dampen the blow even more.

lmao are you joking or serious sometimes i cant tell lol
it didn't kill shika because katsuyu protected him lol
and you are forgetting bansho tenin
seriously no way in hell can rai win against pain.

Bansho tenin: Deva points his hand and draws the opponent in.

Supermode raikage: Can get behind deva in an instant before he can even raise his hand for bansho tenin.

U keep telling ur self rai cant win, but he has no answer for rais super shushin speed.

^Minato would have a chance because he's basically got a level of untouchability on par with Madara's. It would be very strong odds against him, but he theoretically could pull it off. It'd be like 9-1 or 8-2 or something.

Are u fucking ADUUUUR?? U think minato can win so easily, but raikage cant despite both are untouchable with instant speed?? Good god thats rediculous.

And besides instant speed, rai has raiton for armour as well so chkra blades, ST, CT, demon realm lazers, rockets ect wont do shit. Chidori couldnt even pierce that thing, but two inches, but it will go through garras defenses and kakuzuzs Iron skin like butter. Get real.

Minato was a beast, he wouldv'e defeated Pein, I believe every past Hokage would've defeated Pein except for Tsunade. Raichu would have died fast, with summons coming at him, and chakra disruptor spears, and sorry he has no answer for Shinrai Tensei. He would've been flattened just like Konoha was... a parking lot.

Do what? Harishima, tobirama, sautobi couldve defated pain:confused:

Harishima maybe, but tobirama and saurtobi wouldve been wasted. Lol, tobirama is featless in the manga and sarutobi couldnt even handle Oro because he was missing chakra stores/stamina. Yet raikage who can move instantly like Minato and cant be harmed by any attack, but wind will lose to pain in supermode?? Come on dude.

freedom07
03-06-2010, 08:33 AM
are we assuming raikage has no info on the pains?

even with his speed if he has absolutely no info, it may be too late by the time he figures stuff out

AOTKorby
03-06-2010, 10:57 AM
Raikage doesn't have instant speed. He's very fast. But he doesn't use Shunshin the same way Minato does. Minato literally covers any distance he wants to at the speed of light. Raikage is not even close to that. Furthermore, FTG removes Minato from THIS DIMENSION until he resurfaces somewhere else. Making him immune to Pain's techniques. Minato's nonFTG speed is supposed to be equal to Raikage's, his reflexes superior even without a "raiton armor", and he packs the Rasengan aka the "can wreck any Pain body in one hit" attack unless you're Konohamaru.

I laugh that you still won't accept that Lightning chakra doesn't beat all EARTH, just Earth CHAKRA. Because what you said saying that his Raiton armor would just pierce the ground, cushioning the blow? Yeah. HE'D SHOOT STRAIGHT THROUGH THE FUCKING CORE OF THE PLANET. HE'D BE ANNIHILATED.

Your "GET BEHIND HIM" example is total shit. If Raikage does that, guess what? Pain's got 5 other bodies to tell Deva Path "HEY GUESS WHAT! HE'S BEHIND YOU!!!" Cue Raikage getting BLASTED by ST.

And actually, yes, Katsuyu DID save everyone. Because Tsunade basically gave ALL of her chakra to Katsuyu during the blast, healing people quickly enough to keep them from dying.

Raikage's "brute strength" isn't even near the level of Tsunade or SM Naruto. He's got terrifically superhuman strength, but those two blow him away in that regard. Tsunade destroyed an entire fortress in a single punch, and Naruto has shown strength in lifting (which is several times harder than punching, and takes much more strength) the Toad Statue that would make Tsunade's wielding of Gamabunta's knife seem weak. Raikage has achieved nothing more than bashing holes in a couple of walls and damaging a table without his Raiton epically buffering the blow (TIGERBOMB!). His punches may be "supposed" to be fatal, but compared to Tsunade or SM Naruto, his blows have nowhere near the same lethality.

Seriously, do yourself a favor and stop posting when you're completely wasted, KYF.

Lalalila
03-06-2010, 11:15 AM
Lol, that ST didnt even kill shikamaru or anyone else. WFT would that do to a super strong shinobi covered in raiton. If deva was dumb enough to use that jutsu then rai would just survive and kill pain paths that much eaier without deva to help.


ST didn't kill Tsunade, Sakura or Shikamaru because they were not in the center of impact -_- Not to mention the slugs that protect them.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/429/14/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/430/08/

And even if Raikage would survive attack I don't think he would be in condition to fight.

lamps123
03-06-2010, 11:48 AM
A slug doesnt protect from Impact of a ginat ST LMAO. It just heals minor wounds and restores some chakra from what I understand. And what about random anbu guy and tsunade who were in mid air. Neither were even hurt at all by such an attack. And although tsunade has awesome brute strength. rais is on a whole other level so why the hell would the ginat ST do shit to him.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/430/08/
this shows you the slug protected them,

my word,so you are saying raikage would blitz true all six paths because of his super uber speed,damn seriously sometimes i dont blame people you trolling you lol i really can't discuss this,its beyond me....

Yamato_123456
03-06-2010, 02:27 PM
Who's strong Hanzo or Raikage?!?!?!?
As well known that Hanzo is one of the most powerful in ninja world, also Jiraya!!!non of them won, so whay Rikage?!?
Because he needs jara to protect him
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/464/03/

because he can rid of his hand
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/464/06/

If Raikage is fast also Jiraya in sage mode, he can't even touch Madara
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/467/06/

superninja
03-06-2010, 03:36 PM
Who's strong Hanzo or Raikage?!?!?!?
As well known that Hanzo is one of the most powerful in ninja world, also Jiraya!!!non of them won, so whay Rikage?!?
Because he needs jara to protect him
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/464/03/

because he can rid of his hand
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/464/06/

If Raikage is fast also Jiraya in sage mode, he can't even touch Madara
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/467/06/

I think you are saying that Raikage is weaker than Jiraiya because Raikage needed Gara to protect him from amateratsu, but I think Gara protected Raikage but also Sasuke because Raikage would have finish Sasuke then.

Also, nobody can touch Madara, so far no one was able to do it in manga because Madara has a strange power to let any attack go through him. So just because Raikage can't touch Madara, that doesn't mean Raikage is slow.

superninja
03-07-2010, 05:46 AM
How about Raikage vs Shikamaru, Shikamaru's dad and Kakashi.

Their starting distance is the same as Sasuke vs Raikage, lets say the location is the same, a hall with lots of pillars.

Thor
03-07-2010, 05:53 AM
Well acording to our very own yellow_flash... Raikage wins in 1.6 seconds because he's fast.

superninja
03-07-2010, 09:20 AM
Well acording to our very own yellow_flash... Raikage wins in 1.6 seconds because he's fast.

Well raikage is mega fast, it all comes down to whether Raikage can be caught by them and restrained long enough for Kakashi to use kamui on him. I think raikage could win because of his speed and he can smash through the pillars, but if he can get caught with shadow possession, then he would lose.
Raikage is really an overpowered character.

freedom07
03-07-2010, 09:28 AM
shikamarus chakras are crap he couldnt even keep hidan in shdow possession for long

powered up raikage would break out of it in a second

superninja
03-07-2010, 12:19 PM
shikamarus chakras are crap he couldnt even keep hidan in shdow possession for long

powered up raikage would break out of it in a second

That is why I put Shikamaru's dad there, maybe they can double the shadow. But raikage would probably break out of it. Maybe Kakashi could chidori him in the neck or something in that case.

Yamato_123456
03-07-2010, 02:57 PM
I think you are saying that Raikage is weaker than Jiraiya because Raikage needed Gara to protect him from amateratsu, but I think Gara protected Raikage but also Sasuke because Raikage would have finish Sasuke then.

Also, nobody can touch Madara, so far no one was able to do it in manga because Madara has a strange power to let any attack go through him. So just because Raikage can't touch Madara, that doesn't mean Raikage is slow.
It's a nice comment....
but I didn't mean that Raikage is weaker than Jiraiya, I meant that Jirayia was fast when he fought Pain, but that doesn't work
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/377/17/
so the same for Raikage,

Rikage not be able to beat Madara, not because no body can touch Madara
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/475/10/
but because Madara saw him and became permeable, so if Raikage fast enough he will beat Madara before become permeable.

stubborn_d0nkey
03-07-2010, 03:22 PM
It's a nice comment....
but I didn't mean that Raikage is weaker than Jiraiya, I meant that Jirayia was fast when he fought Pain, but that doesn't work
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/377/17/
so the same for Raikage,

then what about this?

lamps123
03-07-2010, 04:14 PM
Jiraya vs orochimaru
location:where the last sannin showdown was
No edo tensei

superninja
03-07-2010, 04:19 PM
then what about this?

I think he's saying that Jiraiya attacked one body there, but the other body blocked the attack (because the Pein bodies share vision and they work together to defend and attack).
Well, I agree that Raikage would probably also lose against six bodies of Pein. Raikage is fast, but he can be intercepted, there are six of them so there is a high chance that one of the bodies would get him.
Also, raikage can increase his speed in the battle, so that he becomes invisible to his opponent http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/463/15/, but he is not moving that fast all the time (as seen that both Tobi and Sasuke saw some of his attacks, and even Suigetsu who doesn't have sharingan).
So, if Pein places his bodies in different positions, he will be able to track raikages movements because some of the bodies will be far away from raikage and some will be close to raikage. The bodies that are far away would have a better view of the situation. But raikage is very durable and there are not many attacks that can harm him. So, what would Pein do to harm raikage?

Jiraya vs orochimaru
location:where the last sannin showdown was
No edo tensei

I would say, Jiraiya wins. First Jiraiya summons a frog and then mounts the frog. Orochimaru extends his neck like he did vs four tail Naruto. Jiraiya uses the frog to evade Orochimaru's attacks and then Jiraiya summons ma and pa frog. Jiraiya goes hermit mode. Then they battle a bit but Orochimaru keeps regenerating. Jiraiya says that if this goes on he will lose for sure. Ma and Pa frog suggest using genjutsu. Jiraiya uses the frog song genjutsu and captures Orochimaru in genjutsu. Orochimaru comments how Jiraiya was never a genjutsu user and that that was a cheap trick. Jiraiya says he is sorry to Orochimaru and preforms a frog stomach technique on Orochimaru.
Jiraiya: "This time the frog will be the one to eat the snake".
Oro gets devoured.

darrylgm
03-07-2010, 05:22 PM
How about Sage mode Naruto vs MS kakashi (if the MS didnt drain as much chakra). Personally I think this one would be close.

AOTKorby
03-07-2010, 05:33 PM
^Are we assuming that Kakashi knows everything about Sage Mode?

IMO, the only thing Kakashi's got that's liable to actually harm SM Naruto is Kamui. Naruto has the elemental advantage, and SM basically turns him into a stronger but slightly slower version of Raikage without an elemental weakness. Too many points against Kakashi for this one.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-07-2010, 06:27 PM
[QUOTE]Raikage doesn't have instant speed. He's very fast. But he doesn't use Shunshin the same way Minato does. Minato literally covers any distance he wants to at the speed of light. Raikage is not even close to that. Furthermore, FTG removes Minato from THIS DIMENSION until he resurfaces somewhere else. Making him immune to Pain's techniques. Minato's nonFTG speed is supposed to be equal to Raikage's, his reflexes superior even without a "raiton armor", and he packs the Rasengan aka the "can wreck any Pain body in one hit" attack unless you're Konohamaru.

And I quote:http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-463/page014.html
"Raikages instantaneous speed is on a whole other level"!

And minatos shushin is shit to rais lol. Rais reflexes at base without raiton armour taking them either further was compared to minato. However, raiton armour takes them even further "more speed" then super mode takes them to Holyshit beyond minatos lol.http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-462/page003.html

The point is instant mach3 or instant light speed, the eye of the opponent cant follow therefore they cant attack or defend without some kind of autodefense like sasanoo. Pain has no answer for rais supermode speed. If rai can dodge amaterasu which is also instant becausehttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-463/page013.html
"they ignite onto the target". Theyre summoned onto the spot where the MS is focusing. Theyre not shot from the eye, but manifested onto the target.

And seeing as how pain has no instant jutsu like amterasu which rai dodged easily. How in the hell is pain suppost to land his slower ass jutsu??

I laugh that you still won't accept that Lightning chakra doesn't beat all EARTH, just Earth CHAKRA. Because what you said saying that his Raiton armor would just pierce the ground, cushioning the blow? Yeah. HE'D SHOOT STRAIGHT THROUGH THE FUCKING CORE OF THE PLANET. HE'D BE ANNIHILATED.

Natural earth<<<iron and steel skin raiton pierces so easily.

And shoot straight through the earth lol. The giant ST isnt a frieza attack.

Your "GET BEHIND HIM" example is total shit. If Raikage does that, guess what? Pain's got 5 other bodies to tell Deva Path "HEY GUESS WHAT! HE'S BEHIND YOU!!!" Cue Raikage getting BLASTED by ST.

LMAO!!!! Sure, because since raikage kills at mach3 as well which deva nor anyother path with even a damn SG could see. Somehow because u say so the other paths will track rais movements:rolleyes: Yet again, fail. Rais leagues faster then SM Jman.

Ur probably basing ur aduuuur assumtion on this panel where sasuke saw raikage before he was choppedhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-463/page013.html

However, as u can see raikage stopped because of amaterasu which is why sasuke was able to see him before the chop otherwise it wouldve been "where'd he go" and *super neck chop* in the same instant.

And actually, yes, Katsuyu DID save everyone. Because Tsunade basically gave ALL of her chakra to Katsuyu during the blast, healing people quickly enough to keep them from dying.

w/e about katsuya. Random anbu guy and tsunade were just finehttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-430/page015.html

Yet katsuya wasnt helping them. And since raikage>>the both of them with raiton armour on. WHy the hell would he be hurt??

Raikage's "brute strength" isn't even near the level of Tsunade or SM Naruto. He's got terrifically superhuman strength, but those two blow him away in that regard. Tsunade destroyed an entire fortress in a single punch, and Naruto has shown strength in lifting (which is several times harder than punching, and takes much more strength) the Toad Statue that would make Tsunade's wielding of Gamabunta's knife seem weak. Raikage has achieved nothing more than bashing holes in a couple of walls and damaging a table without his Raiton epically buffering the blow (TIGERBOMB!). His punches may be "supposed" to be fatal, but compared to Tsunade or SM Naruto, his blows have nowhere near the same lethality.

LMAO, SM naruto giant leap, with rasengan which is pure destructive powerhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-434/page004.html

Raikage running about 10 feet and missing sasukehttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-463/page002.html
raikage throwing sasuke in s stationary positionhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-463/page004.html

LMAO, ^^thats 10x bigger then narutos attack on hell realm where he fell on hell realm from hundreades of feet and used the rasengan.

Tsunade hitting a wall with her fisthttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-156/page007.html
raikage moving forwardhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-454/page008.html

Granted I cant post rai lifting something huge because he hasnt yet. But his destructive power should speak for itslef since it>SM naruto and tsunades.

Seriously, do yourself a favor and stop posting when you're completely wasted, KYF.

If u consider all this panel proof>ur BS beliefs wasted.

Thor
03-07-2010, 06:44 PM
Point one:
Minato is faster then Raikage. Raikage moves through our dimension, Minato teleports. The rest is your imagination.

Point two:
The Strenght of Naruto's Rasengan is not in destruction, for example, Chidori and Rasengan vs the water tank. The Strength of the Rasengan is not on the impact.

Point two. A smashed ground as proof that Raikage is stronger then Naruto's SM? The by all means. Sakura is stronger then Naruto's SM and Raikage, she did the same at the beginning of Shippuden without Raiton Armor and SM. Sakura is now the strongest Ninja ever.


See how u are somewhat ridiculous?

Oh... and since Shinra Tensei is able to throw Gamabunta almost a kilometer, and break almost all is bones... im gonna say its gonna hurt tiny little Raikage alot.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-07-2010, 07:09 PM
[QUOTE]Point one:
Minato is faster then Raikage. Raikage moves through our dimension, Minato teleports. The rest is your imagination.

SO what?? Point is no one can follow rais movements either including pains 6 realms with freaking SGs lol.

Point two:
The Strenght of Naruto's Rasengan is not in destruction, for example, Chidori and Rasengan vs the water tank. The Strength of the Rasengan is not on the impact.

Chidori=piercing

rasengan=destruction

I thought this was obvious.

Point two. A smashed ground as proof that Raikage is stronger then Naruto's SM? The by all means. Sakura is stronger then Naruto's SM and Raikage, she did the same at the beginning of Shippuden without Raiton Armor and SM. Sakura is now the strongest Ninja ever.

Lol, sakura focusing everything she has into a punch to hit just the ground
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-246/page010.html

Rais powerbomb not even at full powerhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-463/page005.html

No comparison. Rai>sakura.

But i get what ur saying. Granted sakura does show she can smash shit much better then SM naruto. Even kill a boss size summon with one punch which not even SM naruto could do. He neded giant rasengans.

But I get ur point. Naruto has the record for most weight lifted, but doesnt seem to have the same striking force as sakura, rai and tsunade.

See how u are somewhat ridiculous?

Lets save comments like that for seeninnoevidenceby.

Oh... and since Shinra Tensei is able to throw Gamabunta almost a kilometer, and break almost all is bones... im gonna say its gonna hurt tiny little Raikage alot.

Yet it couldnt even hurt tsunade or random anbu guy lol. Rai is tsunade with armour so why would he be hurt by an attack an armourless tsunade ven wasnt???

AOTKorby
03-07-2010, 07:49 PM
SO what?? Point is no one can follow rais movements either including pains 6 realms with freaking SGs lol.



Chidori=piercing

rasengan=destruction

I thought this was obvious.



Lol, sakura focusing everything she has into a punch to hit just the ground
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-246/page010.html

Rais powerbomb not even at full powerhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-463/page005.html

No comparison. Rai>sakura.

But i get what ur saying. Granted sakura does show she can smash shit much better then SM naruto. Even kill a boss size summon with one punch which not even SM naruto could do. He neded giant rasengans.

But I get ur point. Naruto has the record for most weight lifted, but doesnt seem to have the same striking force as sakura, rai and tsunade.



Lets save comments like that for seeninnoevidenceby.



Yet it couldnt even hurt tsunade or random anbu guy lol. Rai is tsunade with armour so why would he be hurt by an attack an armourless tsunade ven wasnt???

Wow. He made fun of your entire line of reasoning, and you didn't catch it. Wow. You're a fucking dumbass of a new breed.

Reasons why Tsunade and Anbu person weren't hurt: THE FORMER WAS THE ONE CASTING THE HEALING TECH THAT KEPT EVERYONE ALIVE, and the latter had one of the Katsuyus because TSUNADE TOLD KATSUYU TO PROVIDE HEALING TO EVERY REMAINING LIVING PERSON IN THE VILLAGE.

Sasuke could follow Rai's movements. SG <<< RG. Therefore, it's very highly likely Pain could follow Rai's movements.

The RG Summons which died from less effort than any other summon, which Sakura took down in one punch...uh huh. The only RG summon that was remotely hard to kill was the multi-headed Dog. Did we also forget that Naruto stopped the Rhinoceros summon dead in its tracks, then tossed it across the fucking length of Konoha?

And it's fucking hilarious that you either screw up my name or make a 3rd grade intelligence level insult to it every time you refer to me. It's not that hard, dude.

At least you've abandoned your crusade to argue that SM Naruto is no faster than Kakashi, lolz.

Thor
03-07-2010, 08:04 PM
At least you've abandoned your crusade to argue that SM Naruto is no faster than Kakashi, lolz.



GOD!!!! WHY!?!?!?!? WHY DID YOU HAVE TO BRING THIS UP!?!?!?


We all know that now is just gonna start this all over again....

Here we go.... MANGA FAKTZ!!!!

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-07-2010, 08:05 PM
[QUOTE]Wow. He made fun of your entire line of reasoning, and you didn't catch it. Wow. You're a fucking dumbass of a new breed.

He sure did. Man Im stupid. If only he posted a single manga panel to back up his words I might not of lost in this so relavent "raikage vs pain" discussion.

Reasons why Tsunade and Anbu person weren't hurt: THE FORMER WAS THE ONE CASTING THE HEALING TECH THAT KEPT EVERYONE ALIVE, and the latter had one of the Katsuyus because TSUNADE TOLD KATSUYU TO PROVIDE HEALING TO EVERY REMAINING LIVING PERSON IN THE VILLAGE.
So, tsunade survived because she saved everyone else?? And random anbu guy was saved by katsuya who is nowhere to be found. Why didnt ZI think of that.

Sasuke could follow Rai's movements. SG <<< RG. Therefore, it's very highly likely Pain could follow Rai's movements.

He could. Hunh??? I couldve sworn this is sasuke not even noticng rai had dodged his amaterasu, got behind him then was about to chop him

Rai dodges amaterasu and leaves sasuke "!!!" WTFing.http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-463/page013.html

Rai gets behind sasuke "notice sasuke doesnt even know rais there" and gest ready to chop him until rai stops so sasuke can atcully see himhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-463/page014.html

Damn these manga panels lying to us. Im glad u were albe to show me that SB.

The RG Summons which died from less effort than any other summon, which Sakura took down in one punch...uh huh. The only RG summon that was remotely hard to kill was the multi-headed Dog. Did we also forget that Naruto stopped the Rhinoceros summon dead in its tracks, then tossed it across the fucking length of Konoha?

Died from less effort??

How is a super punchhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-421/page002.html

How is a frog songhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-431/page008.html
plus super SM rasenganhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-431/page010.html
and finally weapon attacks from the other summonshttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-431/page015.html

Less effort lol??

And it's fucking hilarious that you either screw up my name or make a 3rd grade intelligence level insult to it every time you refer to me. It's not that hard, dude.

I know, but it brings me lulz:)

At least you've abandoned your crusade to argue that SM Naruto is no faster than Kakashi, lolz.

No I havent abondoned anything and quit trying to change the subject because even ur starting to realise how fail ur arguement has become.

AOTKorby
03-07-2010, 08:34 PM
He sure did. Man Im stupid. If only he posted a single manga panel to back up his words I might not of lost in this so relavent "raikage vs pain" discussion.

So apparantly you missed it the second time through too. Spoken words in canon are just as important as manga feats. And the spoken word in canon is that SM is HOLYSHIT powerful, and that Tsunade is HOLYSHIT powerful. Raikage's feats are not HOLYSHIT powerful.

So, tsunade survived because she saved everyone else?? And random anbu guy was saved by katsuya who is nowhere to be found. Why didnt ZI think of that.

She was casting the healing technique. THE ONE THAT USES UP HER SEAL. It healed her the same as it did everyone that she channeled it to through Katsuyu.

He could. Hunh??? I couldve sworn this is sasuke not even noticng rai had dodged his amaterasu, got behind him then was about to chop him

Rai dodges amaterasu and leaves sasuke "!!!" WTFing.http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-463/page013.html

Rai gets behind sasuke "notice sasuke doesnt even know rais there" and gest ready to chop him until rai stops so sasuke can atcully see himhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-463/page014.html

Damn these manga panels lying to us. Im glad u were albe to show me that SB.

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-463/page001.html
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-463/page013.html
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-463/page014.html

Those darn manga panels are sure deceiving me, it almost looks like Sasuke is noticing that Rai dodged the Amaterasu, following his moves, and acting in preparation for a blow (setting Susano'o on fire) before he even looked behind him, all while Raikage was in SUPERSPEED.

Died from less effort??

How is a super punchhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-421/page002.html

How is a frog songhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-431/page008.html
plus super SM rasenganhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-431/page010.html
and finally weapon attacks from the other summonshttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-431/page015.html

Less effort lol??

Lol, you dumbass. I explicitly stated that the Dog was a raging bitch to kill, and the Ram had died in one hit earlier in the Jiraiya fight.

And other than that, we've got:

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-374/page005.html dying in one hit
and what's this: http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-376/page009.html

ANOTHER summon dying in one hit!?

The only summons that Beast Path uses that haven't died in one hit are the Dog and the Panda (which is explicitly meant to be a damage tank).

No I havent abondoned anything and quit trying to change the subject because even ur starting to realise how fail ur arguement has become.

I wasn't changing the subject, I'd already mentioned Sage Mode's speed and you didn't comment, so I figured that some of the clouds of bias had dissipated from your sight.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-08-2010, 08:33 AM
[QUOTE]So apparantly you missed it the second time through too. Spoken words in canon are just as important as manga feats. And the spoken word in canon is that SM is HOLYSHIT powerful, and that Tsunade is HOLYSHIT powerful. Raikage's feats are not HOLYSHIT powerful.

Lol, Words<<actions!!! Dialouge can be useful, but can also be absolute BS just to move the story along. However, a feat is a feat.

She was casting the healing technique. THE ONE THAT USES UP HER SEAL. It healed her the same as it did everyone that she channeled it to through Katsuyu.

Really, because last I read she used he seal and its contents for katsuya healing others, not herself.http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-430/page009.html

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-463/page001.html
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-463/page013.html
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-463/page014.html

Those darn manga panels are sure deceiving me, it almost looks like Sasuke is noticing that Rai dodged the Amaterasu, following his moves, and acting in preparation for a blow (setting Susano'o on fire) before he even looked behind him, all while Raikage was in SUPERSPEED.

LMAO. Of course he noticed he dodged the attack which is why the samurais on fire and rais just gone lol.

And just Lol, for the rest. U must be sitting in a padded room to see the rest of that shit.

Panel sasuke notices rais gone and amaterasu failed. The next panel we see sasuke, rais already behind him and sasuke doesnt even know it (note: sasukes looking straight forward showing hes not following rais movements). Then sasuke adds amaterasu to sasanoo because he cant see rai and wants to protect himself. Then rai stops because of amaterasu and sasuke finally sees him.

And karin even explains the shit for ADUUUURS like uhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-463/page014.html


Lol, you dumbass. I explicitly stated that the Dog was a raging bitch to kill, and the Ram had died in one hit earlier in the Jiraiya fight.

The ram fought Jman??? Yea, I think ur refering to anime which doesnt count here buddy.

And other than that, we've got:

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-374/page005.html dying in one hit
and what's this: http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-376/page009.html

OMG, lmao!!! Those arent even boss size summons. The crab and Lizard are shit and only the size of an actual boss sommon. Again, u give shit.

The only summons that Beast Path uses that haven't died in one hit are the Dog and the Panda (which is explicitly meant to be a damage tank).

Panda?? Lol, all of animals boss summons are a bitch to kill.

I wasn't changing the subject, I'd already mentioned Sage Mode's speed and you didn't comment, so I figured that some of the clouds of bias had dissipated from your sight.

Yea, no u didnt. But, just post me a single panel of naruto faster then kakashi and ill agree. (note: Dont come back with 430 16/17 Bullshit because naruto had five panels and two little speeches to do what he did which kakashi could as well.)

AOTKorby
03-08-2010, 03:27 PM
Lol, Words<<actions!!! Dialouge can be useful, but can also be absolute BS just to move the story along. However, a feat is a feat.

yeah, unless someone is LYING, words = actions. And there has been no lie or exaggeration of just what SM and Tsunade are capable of. What they are said to be capable of blows away what Raikage has done.

Really, because last I read she used he seal and its contents for katsuya healing others, not herself.http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-430/page009.html

Gee, when you're channeling healing chakra through yourself, dontcha think it might heal you a bit before it left her body to go through Katsuyu?

LMAO. Of course he noticed he dodged the attack which is why the samurais on fire and rais just gone lol.

And just Lol, for the rest. U must be sitting in a padded room to see the rest of that shit.

Panel sasuke notices rais gone and amaterasu failed. The next panel we see sasuke, rais already behind him and sasuke doesnt even know it (note: sasukes looking straight forward showing hes not following rais movements). Then sasuke adds amaterasu to sasanoo because he cant see rai and wants to protect himself. Then rai stops because of amaterasu and sasuke finally sees him.

And karin even explains the shit for ADUUUURS like uhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-463/page014.html

Lol, you completely ignored the elbow blow that Sasuke dodged because it disproved your point. You ignored the fact that Sasuke turned around when he hadn't seen Rai in the first place, meaning that he had reason to believe Rai was there. Seeing as Shunshin makes no sound, and Sasuke can't feel fucking disturbances in the air, his SG "saw" that Rai was coming, and Sasuke reacted as quickly as he could (not quickly enough).


The ram fought Jman??? Yea, I think ur refering to anime which doesnt count here buddy.

Dude, you are incredibly stupid. I was going to say "the ram had never been seen before" but then I figured, "I should check the Jiraiya v Pain fight just to make sure." Lo and behold:

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-375/page012.html
Guess what. 2 pages later. IT DIES IN ONE HIT.

OMG, lmao!!! Those arent even boss size summons. The crab and Lizard are shit and only the size of an actual boss sommon. Again, u give shit.

Lizard: Using ninjutsu. IT'S A BOSS SUMMON. Crab: using ninjutsu. ANOTHER BOSS SUMMON.

Panda?? Lol, all of animals boss summons are a bitch to kill.

Your argument is such shit: the panda was way SMALLER than either the crab or the Chameleon.

Yea, no u didnt. But, just post me a single panel of naruto faster then kakashi and ill agree. (note: Dont come back with 430 16/17 Bullshit because naruto had five panels and two little speeches to do what he did which kakashi could as well.)

5 panels of not moving before blitzing Asura Path so damn fast that Pain couldn't follow it? Let me repeat myself: HE DID NOT MOVE DURING THOSE PANELS AND SPEECHES. His entire movement was in the basic equivalent of ONE PANEL. If Naruto hadn't done a ridiculously fast blitz, then Asura Path would have dodged seeing as IT IS THE FASTEST PATH (rocket boots...). Second, Naruto pulled the exact same stunt as Kakashi had just one chapter earlier while in BASE MODE, which is shit speed-wise compared to Sage Mode. Your arguments are based on "I don't want to think Naruto is that fast, therefore he isn't."

On a new note:

Naruto as he is now, Tsunade, Kakashi, and the other 4 Kage

VS

Orochimaru in his prime. WITH the following people on his side via Edo Tensei:

Itachi Uchiha
Nagato
MINATO NAMIKAZE

Conditions: no limitations except that Orochimaru can summon no other Edo Tensei. Battlefield is the Rain Village. The whole thing.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-08-2010, 04:57 PM
[QUOTE]yeah, unless someone is LYING, words = actions. And there has been no lie or exaggeration of just what SM and Tsunade are capable of. What they are said to be capable of blows away what Raikage has done.

Said=hype and Hype is shit compared to the ACTION of proving it lol. By ur logic of words=manga fact, sasuke defated zabuzahttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-466/page001.html

and naruto beat pain all alonehttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-453/page014.html despite all of this help Jmans infohttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-405/page003.html
kakashis infohttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-424/page013.html
Plus help from mas summonshttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-431/page011.html
Ma and pahttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-431/page008.html
Hinatahttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-437/page008.html
the kyuubihttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-438/page005.html
and then minatohttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-439/page016.html

Wheres ur so called REASON for believing if something said it automaticly becomes manga fact without any action to back it up.

Gee, when you're channeling healing chakra through yourself, dontcha think it might heal you a bit before it left her body to go through Katsuyu?

What about "tsunade poured ALL OF HER CHAKRA into katsuya" did u not understand. She cant use her chakra on herself then katsuya otherwise it wouldve been mentioned.

Lol, you completely ignored the elbow blow that Sasuke dodged because it disproved your point.

LMAO, this whole debate has been about supermode raikage, not base raiton armour raikage u dunce.

You ignored the fact that Sasuke turned around when he hadn't seen Rai in the first place, meaning that he had reason to believe Rai was there.

Sasuke turned around when rai stopped genious. Dont ya think going from holyshit to zero might make enough noise to alert sasuke rais behind him:rolleyes:

Karin already explained sasuke culdnt follow raikage and the manga panels confirmed it since sasuke could track rai until he stopped.

Seeing as Shunshin makes no sound, and Sasuke can't feel fucking disturbances in the air, his SG "saw" that Rai was coming, and Sasuke reacted as quickly as he could (not quickly enough).

WTF are u smoking?? Is myth sharing his Liquid G with ya? Where does it say in the manga shushin makes no sound?? And how can u not even understand sasuke didnt see rai until hed already stopped. U cant be this stupid, so u have to be fucking with me.

Dude, you are incredibly stupid. I was going to say "the ram had never been seen before" but then I figured, "I should check the Jiraiya v Pain fight just to make sure." Lo and behold:

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-375/page012.html
Guess what. 2 pages later. IT DIES IN ONE HIT.

Low and behold u shouldve posted this panel last lost.

And how is a SM super punch considered nothing special of a kill??

Lizard: Using ninjutsu. IT'S A BOSS SUMMON. Crab: using ninjutsu. ANOTHER BOSS SUMMON.

The lizard and crab summons are not boss size summons. So discussing them if pointless.

Your argument is such shit: the panda was way SMALLER than either the crab or the Chameleon.

The panda is a freaking shield, not a moving summon. WHy ur even counting that one is beyond me.

5 panels of not moving before blitzing Asura Path so damn fast that Pain couldn't follow it? Let me repeat myself: HE DID NOT MOVE DURING THOSE PANELS AND SPEECHES. His entire movement was in the basic equivalent of ONE PANEL.

Lol, that luquid G is kicking in again, isnt it!

1. Wheres pains so impressive dialouge of "holyshit I couldnt follow" yo confirm ur crazy assumtion? Lol, theres not even an exclamation mark.

2.Five panels before naruto even shows up hes OH knows after noticing something so thats the moment of his departure. Then after two speeches and five panels he shows up just in time.

Why do I know naruto didnt use raikage level speech here.

Because naruto was so easily tracked herehttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-431/page012.html
And herehttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-432/page011.html
LMAO, naruto so fast he needed a smoke screen and gamabunta just to beat ol animal realmhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-432/page012.html
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-432/page015.html
and then herehttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-434/page005.html

Lol, ur lusional if u believe naruto has only one fast attack when hes in SM becuase thats the only other logical answer besides, it wasnt really that fast.


If Naruto hadn't done a ridiculously fast blitz, then Asura Path would have dodged seeing as IT IS THE FASTEST PATH (rocket boots...).

WTF!!! Demon doesnt have rockets on his head to stop in mid flight so how would he have stopped?? Thats right he cant.

Second, Naruto pulled the exact same stunt as Kakashi had just one chapter earlier while in BASE MODE, which is shit speed-wise compared to Sage Mode. Your arguments are based on "I don't want to think Naruto is that fast, therefore he isn't."

Ur assbackwards critcizm sustains me SB.

U believe comming from nowhere and taking sakura from a warnout, nonSG, mostly blind sasuke is a feat??? Lol, what am I saying. U thought naruto losing then with his second chance finally beating pain with so much help and info was a feat too.

superninja
03-08-2010, 05:11 PM
On a new note:

Naruto as he is now, Tsunade, Kakashi, and the other 4 Kage

VS

Orochimaru in his prime. WITH the following people on his side via Edo Tensei:

Itachi Uchiha
Nagato
MINATO NAMIKAZE

Conditions: no limitations except that Orochimaru can summon no other Edo Tensei. Battlefield is the Rain Village. The whole thing.

Ok, first, we don't know if Naruto and co have any sealing jutsu that would seal the undead trio because that is the only known way to get rid of them. My guess is that there is a limit to that jutsu, a time limit or a chakra limit so maybe the zombie Itachi and the rest wouldn't be able to regenerate constantly so for the sake of the argument I'll say that they can survive getting destroyed three times and then it's over. There could be another way, and that is removing Orochimaru's control seal he put on them to control Nagato, Itachi and Minato. So if they remove that, my guess is Naruto and co would get rid of the zombies.
That being said, Minato and Itachi are fucking beasts because one can be faster than light and the other can capture anyone in genjutsu. Nagato was not much of a ninja in his life but he can use all elements and he can summon a big soul demon.
I'll go with the Oro and his minions because Nagato can control life and death so he might revive himself and the others completely.

AOTKorby
03-08-2010, 05:54 PM
Said=hype and Hype is shit compared to the ACTION of proving it lol. By ur logic of words=manga fact, sasuke defated zabuzahttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-466/page001.html

and naruto beat pain all alonehttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-453/page014.html despite all of this help Jmans infohttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-405/page003.html
kakashis infohttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-424/page013.html
Plus help from mas summonshttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-431/page011.html
Ma and pahttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-431/page008.html
Hinatahttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-437/page008.html
the kyuubihttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-438/page005.html
and then minatohttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-439/page016.html

Wheres ur so called REASON for believing if something said it automaticly becomes manga fact without any action to back it up.



What about "tsunade poured ALL OF HER CHAKRA into katsuya" did u not understand. She cant use her chakra on herself then katsuya otherwise it wouldve been mentioned.



LMAO, this whole debate has been about supermode raikage, not base raiton armour raikage u dunce.



Sasuke turned around when rai stopped genious. Dont ya think going from holyshit to zero might make enough noise to alert sasuke rais behind him:rolleyes:

Karin already explained sasuke culdnt follow raikage and the manga panels confirmed it since sasuke could track rai until he stopped.



WTF are u smoking?? Is myth sharing his Liquid G with ya? Where does it say in the manga shushin makes no sound?? And how can u not even understand sasuke didnt see rai until hed already stopped. U cant be this stupid, so u have to be fucking with me.



Low and behold u shouldve posted this panel last lost.

And how is a SM super punch considered nothing special of a kill??



The lizard and crab summons are not boss size summons. So discussing them if pointless.



The panda is a freaking shield, not a moving summon. WHy ur even counting that one is beyond me.



Lol, that luquid G is kicking in again, isnt it!

1. Wheres pains so impressive dialouge of "holyshit I couldnt follow" yo confirm ur crazy assumtion? Lol, theres not even an exclamation mark.

2.Five panels before naruto even shows up hes OH knows after noticing something so thats the moment of his departure. Then after two speeches and five panels he shows up just in time.

Why do I know naruto didnt use raikage level speech here.

Because naruto was so easily tracked herehttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-431/page012.html
And herehttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-432/page011.html
LMAO, naruto so fast he needed a smoke screen and gamabunta just to beat ol animal realmhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-432/page012.html
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-432/page015.html
and then herehttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-434/page005.html

Lol, ur lusional if u believe naruto has only one fast attack when hes in SM becuase thats the only other logical answer besides, it wasnt really that fast.


.

WTF!!! Demon doesnt have rockets on his head to stop in mid flight so how would he have stopped?? Thats right he cant.



Ur assbackwards critcizm sustains me SB.

U believe comming from nowhere and taking sakura from a warnout, nonSG, mostly blind sasuke is a feat??? Lol, what am I saying. U thought naruto losing then with his second chance finally beating pain with so much help and info was a feat too.

This post is just retardation on a whole new level. Nevermind, that's insulting to people with actual mental illnesses, you're just too stupid to live.

You've contradicted yourself so many times in this one post that it's not even funny watching you blow your top anymore. First you say that feats > words, then you say that without spoken words, you can't say for sure that SM Naruto did blitz Pain, when every single panel showed that he did. You say that SM Naruto's strength is shit, and he has no feats to back him up, then you say "WELL THAT WUZ A SM SUPER PUNCH!!" to the one-hit death of the Ram. You say that it's no feat to do that to "near blind" Sasuke, but not to do it to Kakashi? Because he didn't see Naruto until he was LONG GONE either. I said the Panda because YOU SAID YOURSELF THAT IT WAS A BOSS SUMMON, then you go and say "OH THE LIZARD AND THE CRAB AREN'T BIG ENOUGH" when they were far larger than the Panda. Demon Realm has rocket boots. You'd be retarded to assume that he can't STEER. He doesn't need to come to a dead stop, he can move to the SIDE. And he would have if THE OTHER 5 PATHS HAD EVEN SEEN NARUTO GOING TO ATTACK HIM, BECAUSE THEY WERE ALL LOOKING RIGHT AT NARUTO. Where's it say that Shunshin makes no sound? Why the description of the FTG! And Sasuke's own uses of Shunshin being dead silent! You say that coming to a stop would be "loud", but that's simple idiocy. If anything he'd have been "loud" the second he started moving because that's when he would have actually broken Mach 1, and created a boom. Raikage's attacks in normal Raiton Armor are just as fast as when he powered it up more, because SHI EXPLICITLY SAYS THAT HIS REFLEXES ARE RIDICULOUSLY FAST THEN. WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT HE COULD ATTACK AND MANEUVER REALLY FUCKING FAST, AND IT WOULD TAKE THE SG BEING ABLE TO FOLLOW HIS ATTACKS' MOVEMENTS. The "boost" he gave his armor just allowed him to use Shunshin, which increases MOVEMENT SPEED.

You just need to get the hell out of this board, no one likes you, no one ever takes your side, and Myth would probably get bored and leave too if he didn't have you to argue with.

The Special One
03-08-2010, 07:27 PM
Naruto as he is now, Tsunade, Kakashi, and the other 4 Kage

VS

Orochimaru in his prime. WITH the following people on his side via Edo Tensei:

Itachi Uchiha
Nagato
MINATO NAMIKAZE

Conditions: no limitations except that Orochimaru can summon no other Edo Tensei. Battlefield is the Rain Village. The whole thing.

Naruto and his group would lose that match considering it's pretty much almost impossible to destroy those summoned via Edo Tensei (they keep regenerating after each serious blow)... Sarutobi had to use the Death God to withdraw the souls from the hosts in order to defeat Edo Tensei... Not to mention Naruto's group has a dangerous crowd on their hands with the Susano-o, Full scaled shinra-tensei, and FTG all in perfect unison... And since they are immortal, they can afford to use their ultimate attacks in close proximity without worrying about killing themselves...

Orochimaru can sit back and pop a few z's while Naruto's team gets eradicated...

ask me anything
03-08-2010, 07:38 PM
^ nuh uh raikage wood blitz thum all. Manga fcats. He even faster then ftg, b'cause he run so fast he go back in time. Believe it.

AOTKorby
03-08-2010, 07:47 PM
Hmm, what if we added KB to the group with Naruto?

Also, there should theoretically be 3 ways to actually defeat an Edo Tensei summon:

-Kill Orochimaru
-Remove Soul of summon from the fake body

and this one isn't confirmed, but should theoretically hold true,

-Destroy the body that was used as a sacrifice, and the summon is using. Like, completely destroy it.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-08-2010, 08:33 PM
[QUOTE]This post is just retardation on a whole new level. Nevermind, that's insulting to people with actual mental illnesses, you're just too stupid to live.

I agree, insulting all the others in ur special ed class is just unjust and wrong:D

You've contradicted yourself so many times in this one post that it's not even funny watching you blow your top anymore. First you say that feats > words, then you say that without spoken words, you can't say for sure that SM Naruto did blitz Pain, when every single panel showed that he did.

Oh really. So naruto moving around outmaneuvering pain bodies with just speed??? NOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Pain keeping up with SM naruto every step of the way just as kakashi did so take ur delusions somewhere else.

You say that SM Naruto's strength is shit, and he has no feats to back him up, then you say "WELL THAT WUZ A SM SUPER PUNCH!!" to the one-hit death of the Ram.

Oh really, thats what I said lol. Now ur making up shit I say because u realise how much u have failed. And that was Jmans SM super punch of rasengan w/e it was.

You say that it's no feat to do that to "near blind" Sasuke, but not to do it to Kakashi? Because he didn't see Naruto until he was LONG GONE either.

Huh??? The point is taking sakura away from a blind, warnout, nonSG using sasuke is not a feat when sneak attacking. Naruto didnt outright show up, allowing sasuke to know he was there then take sakura. It was a freaking sneak rescue. But then again delusional narutards will take what they can get I guess.

I said the Panda because YOU SAID YOURSELF THAT IT WAS A BOSS SUMMON, then you go and say "OH THE LIZARD AND THE CRAB AREN'T BIG ENOUGH" when they were far larger than the Panda.

Yea, u mentioned the panda and I said "Hunh??" So?? I didnt remember the panda until u brought it up? Are u speaking fro me again because u have no arguement?? It seems to be the case.

Demon Realm has rocket boots. You'd be retarded to assume that he can't STEER. He doesn't need to come to a dead stop, he can move to the SIDE. And he would have if THE OTHER 5 PATHS HAD EVEN SEEN NARUTO GOING TO ATTACK HIM, BECAUSE THEY WERE ALL LOOKING RIGHT AT NARUTO.

So, pain was looking at naruto, not tsunade who was talking and being attacked??? Lol, Show me where pain was looking at naruto when attacking tsunade and Ill give it to ya.

Where's it say that Shunshin makes no sound? Why the description of the FTG! And Sasuke's own uses of Shunshin being dead silent! You say that coming to a stop would be "loud", but that's simple idiocy. If anything he'd have been "loud" the second he started moving because that's when he would have actually broken Mach 1, and created a boom.

So a giant man going from holyshit to 0 in an instant would be quite huh? LOL! Besides, rais covered in raiton armour. Dont you think the loud Chirpping of the raiton would give away his position rather quick.

Raikage's attacks in normal Raiton Armor are just as fast as when he powered it up more,

Is everybody else seeing this lol? Yet another BS statement like most of his statements. I mean how well could this guy interprit manga if he cant understand from th manga feats and dialouge that base raiton armour<supermode raiton armour.

because SHI EXPLICITLY SAYS THAT HIS REFLEXES ARE RIDICULOUSLY FAST THEN. WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT HE COULD ATTACK AND MANEUVER REALLY FUCKING FAST, AND IT WOULD TAKE THE SG BEING ABLE TO FOLLOW HIS ATTACKS' MOVEMENTS. The "boost" he gave his armor just allowed him to use Shunshin, which increases MOVEMENT SPEED.

I know what shi said, but clearly u didnt undertsand it like so much other dialouge. Base rais reflexes are compareable to minaot. However, dawned in raiton armour his nervous system/reflexes are taken to a whole new level. By that statement alone u should realise that when rai increased his raiton armour to its max, he would increase his reflexes, thus speed to the max as well.

You just need to get the hell out of this board, no one likes you, no one ever takes your side, and Myth would probably get bored and leave too if he didn't have you to argue with.

Awwwwweeeeee, my feeling are hurt seeninfailsby. I thought u were my new best friend:(

Ha Haaaaaaaaaaaa!

^ nuh uh raikage wood blitz thum all. Manga fcats. He even faster then ftg, b'cause he run so fast he go back in time. Believe it.

Oh come on AMA. Rais clearly so fast he can run through deminsions and turn the world backwards like superman. GEEEZZ, get it right. GOSH:D

AOTKorby
03-08-2010, 08:38 PM
^Unless it's about the matchup I posted, I don't give a shit about what you're saying, KYF. Putting the ignore function to proper use, for once.

superninja
03-09-2010, 07:55 AM
Regarding the match up, I have two questions:
1) what are Nagato's powers when he is by himself? (I mean when he is not synced with gedo mazo)
and 2) what is rock village kage's jutsu? (I remember he made a big cube from a small cube and that he was levitating maybe)

I am asking about Nagato because I don't know if he can use the powers of the six paths with his original body.

AOTKorby
03-09-2010, 03:24 PM
Regarding the match up, I have two questions:
1) what are Nagato's powers when he is by himself? (I mean when he is not synced with gedo mazo)
and 2) what is rock village kage's jutsu? (I remember he made a big cube from a small cube and that he was levitating maybe)

I am asking about Nagato because I don't know if he can use the powers of the six paths with his original body.

^Nagato definitely can. He used Shinra Tensei at least once before the Gedo Mazo summon even appeared. We also already know that he had mastered hundreds of techniques of all 5 elements.

Tsuchikage has shown 3 techs: Levitation, Petrification at a touch, and the Destructo-Cube which disintegrates anything it touches.

stubborn_d0nkey
03-09-2010, 05:48 PM
Naruto as he is now, Tsunade, Kakashi, and the other 4 Kage

VS

Orochimaru in his prime. WITH the following people on his side via Edo Tensei:

Itachi Uchiha
Nagato
MINATO NAMIKAZE

Conditions: no limitations except that Orochimaru can summon no other Edo Tensei. Battlefield is the Rain Village. The whole thing.

Are the edo summons automatically there? If so, i go with oro on this. 9-1 (it has already been discussed)


If he just prepared for the summons and didn't use them yet I go with the group 9-1. I really think they would stop the summons. I give oro the 1 only because it depends on how and when he uses the summons, i bet it would be difficult but he might be able to manage something

superninja
03-09-2010, 07:11 PM
^Nagato definitely can. He used Shinra Tensei at least once before the Gedo Mazo summon even appeared. We also already know that he had mastered hundreds of techniques of all 5 elements.

Tsuchikage has shown 3 techs: Levitation, Petrification at a touch, and the Destructo-Cube which disintegrates anything it touches.

Ok, thanks for the info.

Bad guys:
Oro is mass regeneration, snake summons and extending his body parts like snake.
(The zombies should have no will of their own, so lets say they can't make complex strategies, but they make short timed battle tactics.)
So lets say Nagato can use the element jutsus and gravity manipulation. Those should be his main attacks.
Itachi has mangekyo jutsus (tsukuyomi, amateratsu, susano), genjutsu master, fast hand seals and fast attacker.
Minato is a user of space/time jutsu that makes him teleport through space (he uses seals to mark his targets on which to teleport), rasengan.

Good guys:
Tsushikage has a lot of potential because his energy cube did a lot of damage and he wasn't even trying. So he has some jutsus we haven't seen.
Raikage is all taijutsu.
Mizukage is probably all keke genkai, she can spit acidic slime/create corrosive mist.
Gara is all sand.
Naruto is mass kage bunshins/sage mode plus rasengan/rasenshuriken with maybe frog summons.
Kakashi is good at analyzing opponent's weaknesses and strengths, lightning jutsu, kamui (he can use two times).

So what we have here is a big scale battle that results in chaos or something.
Minato could take advantage of that and warp around the battlefield easily assisting his teammates. So the only way for the good guys to win is to be on the defense all the time and don't get separated. Gara can provide good defense with his mass sand. Also the good guys would have to keep the distance. And then either completely destroy the zombie ninjas (if that works) and if it doesn't work then capture them or make it so that the zombies get constantly destroyed (like capture them with a sand burrial or in a sand prison filled with acidic mist so that the zombies get constantly disintegrated). So the good guys have the weapons to win, but only if they manage to defend.

ask me anything
03-09-2010, 07:46 PM
^The problem is that nagato can use his gravity to repulse gaara's sand, so he wouldn't get caught. Even if he did, he should be able to use raiton to get out. Minato's FTG means he can't be caught at all. Itachi is the genjutsu master, so how do the good guys even know that they have caught him and aren't in a genjutsu. Gaara could be using sand coffin on thin air, like how naruto was when he faced itachi's 30% clone.

Nagato is a tough opponent by himself. He can use all elements so no matter who he faces he can always use the best element to attack and defend against them.

Itachi is a genutsu god, as well as a very intelligent opponent. He's just as good a strategist as kakashi is. Amaterasu>>anything the good guys have except kamui and sand. Tsukuyomi is instant win against anybody.

Minato is erh...well....THE MAN. He could FTG anybody before they knew it.

Orochimaru just takes the cake. He wouldn't have to fight. If he did that would cement a bad guy victory.

I just don't see the good guys winning this fight. bad guys 7-3 good guys.

AOTKorby
03-09-2010, 08:22 PM
^The "bad guys" have a significant advantage against the abilities of each INDIVIDUAL opponent. It would literally take all of the "good guys" working in perfect order to stand a chance.

Minato is plain and simply untouchable.

Nagato has some seriously powerful techniques at his disposal, HOWEVER, all of his techs have weaknesses, and with the abilities the "good guys" have, while it'd be really really hard, it wouldn't be impossible to take him down just long enough to attack Oro, if not restrain him altogether. Gaara's Sand pretty much nullifies Amaterasu. Rai is immune to Genjutsu and Mizukage's Kekke-Genkai beat both of Itachi's elements. Susano'o would be a bitch to kill, but the Yata only protects the front end of Susano'o, the back could be busted by a sufficiently powerful attack.

Possible strategy the "good guys" could use for a cheap win: Get Nagato to use the Nine Phantom Dragons thing that steals the souls of anyone it touches, then lead the attack into Minato and/or Itachi, eliminating them from the fight. Nagato alone, even with all his power, isn't a match for 6 Kage Level Ninja and a Jinchuuriki. Oro, if he loses his support, is absolutely effed beyond reason.

ask me anything
03-09-2010, 08:41 PM
^ that's a good plan for the "good guys" but the "bad guys" could easily counter it.
Example: Minato FTG's behind gaara and kills him. Without his sand there would be nothing to stop itachi's Amaterasu, which should beat either of mizukages elements as well as working on raikage. With raikage gone nobody else should be immune to tsukuyomi.

You mentioned that nagato's powers are easily countered, but that's only if they know what they are. Elemental wise he can counter anybody with the exception of maybe mizukages lava/mist.

Then there's the matter of being invincible. They can afford to take hits if it means the "good guys" waste chakra.

akuryuken
03-10-2010, 01:01 AM
i havent read the hole fight but let me see if i understand. Someone put 4th hokage + nagato in the same team are you nuts thats like a win win

superninja
03-10-2010, 05:27 AM
I will just add that Minatoi needs to mark his target to teleport to it. So, if the good guys keep the distance, Minato would have trouble marking them (though he could throw a lot of kunais with markers towards them, but still you see that shit coming).

Xicidal
03-10-2010, 08:27 AM
he could else place marks all over the battlefield and if you get by one bam. Dosn't have to throw at you to start that way.

AOTKorby
03-10-2010, 03:24 PM
i havent read the hole fight but let me see if i understand. Someone put 4th hokage + nagato in the same team are you nuts thats like a win win

Against 6 Kage and Naruto. Considering that the "good guys" ONLY need to kill Orochimaru to win, while the "bad guys" have to kill all 7 of their opponents, it's not too terrifically unfair. The "good guys" have a fair shot if they fight with competent strategy (Edo Tensei summons are mindless, they can't formulate strategy).

saiyaman
03-11-2010, 11:02 AM
How about:

Jiraiya (Starts at base and can go up to Hermit mode)
Orochimaru(Edo Tensei is allowed for only one summon)
Itachi (Normal Sharingan and can go up to Su'Sanoo)

vs

Naruto (Demon Fox Cloak and can go up to 3 tails. Sage Mode is unperfected)
Sasuke (Normal Sharingan and has his own MS techs as we have seen till now)
Minato (His usual techniques including Reaper Death Seal)

Setting: The Great Naruto bridge

Conditions: Jiraiya's team has excellent intel about Naruto and Minato. Sasuke has great intel on Itachi. Minato has excellent intel about Jiraiya. Orochimaru and Naruto begin the fight with both having zero knowledge about themselves.

Who do you think will win?

superninja
03-11-2010, 03:01 PM
How about:

Jiraiya (Starts at base and can go up to Hermit mode)
Orochimaru(Edo Tensei is allowed for only one summon)
Itachi (Normal Sharingan and can go up to Su'Sanoo)

vs

Naruto (Demon Fox Cloak and can go up to 3 tails. Sage Mode is unperfected)
Sasuke (Normal Sharingan and has his own MS techs as we have seen till now)
Minato (His usual techniques including Reaper Death Seal)

Setting: The Great Naruto bridge

Conditions: Jiraiya's team has excellent intel about Naruto and Minato. Sasuke has great intel on Itachi. Minato has excellent intel about Jiraiya. Orochimaru and Naruto begin the fight with both having zero knowledge about themselves.

Who do you think will win?

Ok, I choose the first hokage for Orochimaru to use as his undead summon.
So, that ads the undead first hokage that can summon trees and can't be destroyed easily to Orochimaru, Jiraiya and Itachi.
Minato is a very fast assassin but it's not very effective against Orochimaru who can tank a damage from rasengan and kunai, and not effective against the zombie kage who can also tank that. Itachi and Jiraiya are more vulnerable to Minato's attack.
With these conditions I give the victory to Orochimaru, Jiraiya, Itachi, the first hokage (zombie).

saiyaman
03-16-2010, 11:25 AM
I believe a 3 tailed Naruto and a Tsukiyomi capable Sasuke have enough capabilities to give at least Orochimaru a LOT of trouble. One genjutsu and it's a struggling Orochimaru but then again I suppose the genjutsu would be broken by Itachi.

Under extreme conditions, the fourth can use the Deathgod jutsu to seal off the first and Orochimaru, including Itachi as well if he gets near him. I wonder if that will work with Itachi in Su'Sanoo mode though. Only Jiraiya should be capable of escaping Death god jutsu, probably because he would have known about Minato's research and stuff.

Another thing to note is Naruto's Rasenshuriken and Sasuke's Kirin. Sasuke's kirin can make Orochimaru look like a helpless kid. He doesn't have Su'Sanoo like Itachi does. Naruto's jutsu however is a little problematic as he needs to get near. Minato's speed and his ability can give any Hokage summon a run for his money I'm sure. I can't see how Jiraiya's team would win too easily against the opponents. Sure they have a great chance of winning but it's nowhere close to easy.

superninja
03-16-2010, 11:38 AM
I believe a 3 tailed Naruto and a Tsukiyomi capable Sasuke have enough capabilities to give at least Orochimaru a LOT of trouble. One genjutsu and it's a struggling Orochimaru but then again I suppose the genjutsu would be broken by Itachi.

Under extreme conditions, the fourth can use the Deathgod jutsu to seal off the first and Orochimaru, including Itachi as well if he gets near him. I wonder if that will work with Itachi in Su'Sanoo mode though. Only Jiraiya should be capable of escaping Death god jutsu, probably because he would have known about Minato's research and stuff.

Another thing to note is Naruto's Rasenshuriken and Sasuke's Kirin. Sasuke's kirin can make Orochimaru look like a helpless kid. He doesn't have Su'Sanoo like Itachi does. Naruto's jutsu however is a little problematic as he needs to get near. Minato's speed and his ability can give any Hokage summon a run for his money I'm sure. I can't see how Jiraiya's team would win too easily against the opponents. Sure they have a great chance of winning but it's nowhere close to easy.

The problem with three tailed Naruto is he doesn't listen to reason in that state, and I also don't know if he can create kage bunshins when he is in kyubi mode. It would be better if Naruto starts in sage mode, that way he is stronger because he can collaborate with Minato and Itachi plus rasenshuriken.
Minato is problem with his teleport ability, but he can't do a quick kill against Oro and zombie Hashi, Itachi can create Susano if he feels Minato is drawing near, that leaves only Jiraiya vulnerable. But there is a combination from the first hokage and Itachi - amateratsu plus trees, they can create a wall of amateratsu so that Minato can't get through. Minato can use the death god, but can he catch them all with it, without death god Oro and co wins, but with it I think Itachi would be safe still so..

saiyaman
03-16-2010, 11:44 AM
Well no actually Naruto can keep himself in his senses(With a lot of anger of course) in the three tailed state. It's only the 4th tail and beyond which destroys his reasoning and lets the Kyuubi take over. Well I would have made it a Sage Naruto but that would kinda be unfair I suppose. One Sage Mode Rasenshuriken causes too much damage and that's not even saying about how Naruto's sage mode is perfected compared to Jiraiya's imperfect Hermit mode(Jiraiya takes some time when Naruto switches to Sage Mode too fast when standing still).

EDIT: I forgot to add. Naruto has Sage Mode but it's not perfected yet as I mentioned in the battle post. It just means that he cannot activate it like he has done recently against Pain. He will require some time to go into Sage Mode just as Jiraiya needed but without Ma and Pa frog's help.

superninja
03-17-2010, 10:50 AM
I don't know the outcome of that fight really, it could go either way.

How about Killerbee vs Jiraiya?
Both start in base mode, their starting distance is like Sasuke vs Killerbee. They first make a formal introduction, Killerbee shows his respect to the legendary sanin in rhymes, Jiraiya says it's a shame that such a talented poet is about to leave this world. They fight to kill because Konoha and Kumogakure are in war.
Location is the plain field.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-18-2010, 02:50 AM
I don't know the outcome of that fight really, it could go either way.

How about Killerbee vs Jiraiya?
Both start in base mode, their starting distance is like Sasuke vs Killerbee. They first make a formal introduction, Killerbee shows his respect to the legendary sanin in rhymes, Jiraiya says it's a shame that such a talented poet is about to leave this world. They fight to kill because Konoha and Kumogakure are in war.
Location is the plain field.

If Jman can beat KB before he goes tailed mode, Jman wins. But Jman would have to be in SM to beat KB so fast IMO. Otherwise once KB goes tailed Mode not even SM will last very long against KB over 3tails. I mean Jman was nearly killed by a stationary 4tail naruto then imagine what a fully mobile 4tail KB would do, much less KB in his 7tail pure instapwn mode like he used against kisame to pwn him with one hit.

KB 8-2 Jman.

Viczor6
03-18-2010, 03:01 AM
Danzou vs Itachi

superninja
03-18-2010, 10:26 AM
Danzou vs Itachi

Itachi would win, we all know it. Danzo would be in a genjutsu the entire fight.
Danzo could maybe free himself from genjutsu 10 times with Izanagi, but he would get in a genjutsu again very fast so Itachi wins this easily.

saiyaman
03-18-2010, 12:33 PM
Izanagi doesn't free the user from Genjutsu. Rather it is a type of perfect illusion which helps the user avoid a fatal blow.

Imagine if Itachi tricks Danzou into thinking that Izanagi is already activated when it isn't in reality. That's basically a one hit KO match then.

Wolverine
03-18-2010, 12:35 PM
Danzou would use Izanagi but I don't really see it helping him much once Itachi unleashes Susano'o on him. Even if he could escape death, he would be permanently trapped in a Genjutsu realm which would bring about an end to the fight.

Wolverine
03-18-2010, 01:43 PM
There's something I want to know here. Izanagi gives the user the ability to turn a Genjutsu into reality (or something like that from what I remember), while Susano'o on the other hand, traps the target in a permanent Genjutsu realm. So would Danzou somehow be able to use Izanagi to twist that Genjutsu into escaping to reality?

stubborn_d0nkey
03-18-2010, 02:02 PM
There's something I want to know here. Izanagi gives the user the ability to turn a Genjutsu into reality (or something like that from what I remember), while Susano'o on the other hand, traps the target in a permanent Genjutsu realm. So would Danzou somehow be able to twist that Genjutsu using Izanagi into escaping to reality?

Just to correct some things:

Izanagi does the opposite of what you said. It turns reality into a genjutsu. It makes all the "real" injuries and everything just a part of a genjutsu, not "real".

Susano doesn't trap the target in a permanent genjutsu, it's the Sword of Totsuka (did I misspell it???) which Itachi added to his Susano.

So to answer the question, no. Through that logic, no. But it still could somehow be possible that Izanagi could defend against the sword.

ask me anything
03-18-2010, 02:37 PM
Itachi>>>>Danzo

Danzo almost shit his pants when he saw Itachi. http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/477/17/ After he realized it was just a genjutsu he wasn't that worried.

In his own words Danzo said sasuke's tsukiyomi wasn't shit compared to itachi's. http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/478/03/ That should make it clear just how much of a threat itachi was to danzo.

Itachi 9-1 Danzo

AOTKorby
03-18-2010, 04:06 PM
Just to correct some things:

Izanagi does the opposite of what you said. It turns reality into a genjutsu. It makes all the "real" injuries and everything just a part of a genjutsu, not "real".

Susano doesn't trap the target in a permanent genjutsu, it's the Sword of Totsuka (did I misspell it???) which Itachi added to his Susano.

So to answer the question, no. Through that logic, no. But it still could somehow be possible that Izanagi could defend against the sword.

Madara said that it works both ways. It turns reality into illusion, and can turn illusion into reality.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-18-2010, 04:12 PM
Itachi>>>>Danzo

Danzo almost shit his pants when he saw Itachi. http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/477/17/ After he realized it was just a genjutsu he wasn't that worried.

In his own words Danzo said sasuke's tsukiyomi wasn't shit compared to itachi's. http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/478/03/ That should make it clear just how much of a threat itachi was to danzo.

Itachi 9-1 Danzo

I honestly dont know which fight u guys were watching, but danzou for 10 minutes is a god. Not even pain could stop him for that ten minutes.

Now, because of itachis tiny chakra/stamina, genjutsu being almost useless and MS jutsu exept tsukuyomi are useless as well. then itachis only going to win if he can hit danzou with his tsukuyomi and KO him by attacking his spirit (izanagi is invicible against physical attacks, not spiritual from what I could tell).

So unless itachi can succesfully use his tsukuyomi on danzou without him breaking out like he did with sasukes. Danzou within a couple minutes will wear itachi down then merc him from behind after being killed by itachi.

Lets face it. The only reason sasuke wasnt merced from the get go is because he can spam sasanoo and be protected from danzous rebirth sneak attack after dieing. However, itachis use of sasanoo is very limited because of his illness so sasanoo wont last very long and the sword of totsuka wont be able to kill danzou because of Izanagi.

Danzou 7-3 itachi (dependent on wether danzou can or cannot break out of itachis tsukuyomi like he did sasukes).

superninja
03-18-2010, 05:02 PM
dependent on wether danzou can or cannot break out of itachis tsukuyomi like he did sasukes.

Itachi can control time in his tsukuyomi so Danzo wouldn't break out of it. Danzo's genjutsu defense is weaker than Sasuke's since Danzo lost because he was in a genjutsu and he didn't notice it. Itachi's genjutsu is stronger all around, Itachi could win with just genjutsu. Danzo would maybe break from one but he would be in another and so on, like what Itachi did to Naruto or vs Sasuke (there were also multiple genjutsus at the beginning).

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-18-2010, 05:34 PM
Itachi can control time in his tsukuyomi so Danzo wouldn't break out of it. Danzo's genjutsu defense is weaker than Sasuke's since Danzo lost because he was in a genjutsu and he didn't notice it. Itachi's genjutsu is stronger all around, Itachi could win with just genjutsu. Danzo would maybe break from one but he would be in another and so on, like what Itachi did to Naruto or vs Sasuke (there were also multiple genjutsus at the beginning).

T/S has nothing to do with the power of itachis genjutsu. Since T/S didnt stop sasuke from breaking out by using just two SGs and a giant chakra source. WHy would it stop danzou with ten SGs and a even larger chakra source?

And dont forget how easily danzou broke sasukes tsukuyomi.

And sasukes tsukuyomi didnt beat danzou. All sasuke did was use his tsukuyomi to fool danzou into thinking he still had an eye open so sasukes chidori lance wouldnt do anything. The tsu it self didnt cause any harm. It was just used in combination for a more effective attack against danzou.

And I agree itachi could use genjutsu, but once itachi is succesfull and kills danzou with a gnejutsu/taijutsu combo. Itachis going to drop his gaurd along with the genjutsu and get merced. Ur still forgeting itachi knows nothing of Izanagi so his tactics of "KO/kill ASAP" would actaully work in danzous favor because danzou would be allowed more time for Izanagi and to merc Itachi after he dies.

superninja
03-18-2010, 05:52 PM
T/S has nothing to do with the power of itachis genjutsu. Since T/S didnt stop sasuke from breaking out by using just two SGs and a giant chakra source. WHy would it stop danzou with ten SGs and a even larger chakra source?

And dont forget how easily danzou broke sasukes tsukuyomi.

And sasukes tsukuyomi didnt beat danzou. All sasuke did was use his tsukuyomi to fool danzou into thinking he still had an eye open so sasukes chidori lance wouldnt do anything. The tsu it self didnt cause any harm. It was just used in combination for a more effective attack against danzou.

And I agree itachi could use genjutsu, but once itachi is succesfull and kills danzou with a gnejutsu/taijutsu combo. Itachis going to drop his gaurd along with the genjutsu and get merced. Ur still forgeting itachi knows nothing of Izanagi so his tactics of "KO/kill ASAP" would actaully work in danzous favor because danzou would be allowed more time for Izanagi and to merc Itachi after he dies.

What you say makes sense, but you are forgetting that Itachi is on top of all that, very smart and tactical. If Itachi's genjutsu connects, it "ciao baby" for Danzo for a few reasons:
Itachi can make multiple genjutsus so once he catches Danzo, Danzo will be in a genjutsu for a while (even if Danzo breaks one, he gets into another and so on)
Itachi will also try to mask his genjutsu as a reality so that he can fool Danzo (like what Sasuke did at the end)
Itachi will use his genjutsu to gather information about Danzo's technique and jutsus
So once Danzo gets into a genjutsu, he will reveal all about Izanagi to Itachi. Itachi is probably too careful to leave himself in the open unless he knows what his opponent can do. Itachi can make clones very fast so that Danzo once (or if) he breaks out of genjutsu sees a clone and not the real Itachi. And finally, the way Itachi won against Deidara with genjutsu was to make Deidara use his bomb attack against himself, the same could happen to Danzo (Danzo cuts his own arm with the wind blade).

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-18-2010, 06:15 PM
[QUOTE]What you say makes sense, but you are forgetting that Itachi is on top of all that, very smart and tactical. If Itachi's genjutsu connects, it "ciao baby" for Danzo for a few reasons:
Itachi can make multiple genjutsus so once he catches Danzo, Danzo will be in a genjutsu for a while (even if Danzo breaks one, he gets into another and so on)
Itachi will also try to mask his genjutsu as a reality so that he can fool Danzo (like what Sasuke did at the end)

but once itachi kills danzou with his genjutsu/taijutsu combo. The genjutsu or jutsus that danzou is under will be broken as his old body disapears and his new body appears genjutsu free behind itachi for a mercing og epic proportion.

Itachi will use his genjutsu to gather information about Danzo's technique and jutsus

how?? sasuke had to kill danzou tons of times before he was able to draw a hypothhisis and test it. However, because itachi doesnt spam sasanoo from the get go he will have no defense after killing danzou even once. Without Knowing danzou uses Izangai and what it does. Itachi cant win unless he starts off the fight with tsukuyomi for the win. Othwise it will be a mercing from danzou Immediatly after Itachi kills danzou the first time.

So once Danzo gets into a genjutsu, he will reveal all about Izanagi to Itachi. Itachi is probably too careful to leave himself in the open unless he knows what his opponent can do. Itachi can make clones very fast so that Danzo once (or if) he breaks out of genjutsu sees a clone and not the real Itachi. And finally, the way Itachi won against Deidara with genjutsu was to make Deidara use his bomb attack against himself, the same could happen to Danzo (Danzo cuts his own arm with the wind blade).

Like I said. Once danzou dies and is reborn, all of itachis genjutsus will dispell so genjutsu wont work. And even using regular genjutsu is risky since danzou is clearly very skilled and intelligent which is why he broke tsukuyomi so easily.

And yes itachi can create clones with godly speed and move at godly speed, but that all measn nothing when Itachi sees danzou physically die (not a genjutsu) after he kills him and drops his guard (is not using sasanoo for autodefense like sasuke). Itachi will be merced like anyone else.

Well exept someone like sasuke who starts off with sasanoo, gaara with autodefense or a BG user that can see behind them.

ask me anything
03-18-2010, 06:18 PM
@ kyf Sasuke's tsukiyomi is crap. Danzo said so himself. Itachi's tsukiyomi is awesome. Danzo (again) said so himself. Being able to control time and space makes it so much more deadly. Sasuke beat danzo by making him believe he still had one izanagi left. Itachi could use his tsukiyomi to do something similar. He could make it seem like only 45 seconds has passes when it's been a full minute. Danzo gets stabbed still thinking izanagi is in effect, and game over.

Itachi's suanoo is unbeatable with the sword and shield attachments. One stab from that sword and not even izanagi could save danzo.

Itachi will be merced like anyone elseYou need to be slapped for even making that statement. NOBODY just merc's itachi evar.

How do you know itachi doesn't know about izanagi? If madara knew about it, and itachi spent years in akatsuki along side madara he should have heard about it. Also he was the one who killed shisui, so apparently Shusui's eye wouldn't work against itachi. Itachi has the same ability with fire sasuke has, so he could have done the same thing against danzo's summon as sasuke.

All in all there isn't a single thing sasuke did in his fight against danzo, that itachi couldn't have done better/ more effiecent/ less effort/ better planning/ more itelligent ,,,,etc...

boss_akamaru
03-18-2010, 07:54 PM
I think the 2nd Hokage has around the same amount of Chakra Kisame, because you have to have a massive amount of chakra to do water jutsu without water.

this is wrong kisame and the raikage have chakra levels the size of bijuus

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-18-2010, 11:26 PM
@ kyf Sasuke's tsukiyomi is crap. Danzo said so himself. Itachi's tsukiyomi is awesome. Danzo (again) said so himself. Being able to control time and space makes it so much more deadly.

Sasukes is only crap because he can only paralyse the opponent physically while itachi can use the T/S contrl to torture an opponent for days straight which causes a mental breakdown as well as spiritual breakdown which cant be snapped out of like sasukes.

Power wise both are no different. Just how the two use theirs is all.

Sasuke beat danzo by making him believe he still had one izanagi left. Itachi could use his tsukiyomi to do something similar. He could make it seem like only 45 seconds has passes when it's been a full minute. Danzo gets stabbed still thinking izanagi is in effect, and game over.

So how does itachi magicly know all about Izanagi and how it works?? He DOESNT!!! Which is why he would lose. If he knew danzou used Izanagi and how it worked Im sure he could pull off a V, but he doesnt.

Itachi's suanoo is unbeatable with the sword and shield attachments. One stab from that sword and not even izanagi could save danzo.

Seriously?? Because once danzou is killed by the sword of tosuka and sucked in, he will reappear because its his ability to make his death at the hands of the sword an illusion and make it reality. Seriously, I thought u knew this already after some of theories u made along with me.

You need to be slapped for even making that statement. NOBODY just merc's itachi evar.

I like Itachi alot too, but when ur guard drops and ur ambushed from behind ur going to get hit just a Jman did with demon realm. And knowing danzou, he would hit itachi with his wind kunai or use his touch seal to Immobilize Itachi, take his eyes then kill him.

How do you know itachi doesn't know about izanagi? If madara knew about it, and itachi spent years in akatsuki along side madara he should have heard about it. Also he was the one who killed shisui, so apparently Shusui's eye wouldn't work against itachi. Itachi has the same ability with fire sasuke has, so he could have done the same thing against danzo's summon as sasuke.

There is no evidence to suggest itachi knew about Izanagi. I mean madara clearly only knew about it because he knows everything and danzou just probably discovered the jutsu with help from someone else??

And itachi doesnt know danzou has his eye so that alone could beat itachi. He could convince itachi hes attacking from the back and just simply attack from the front and kill itachi with a frontal attack thanks to mind control.

Still, the whole reason itachi cant beat danzou without succesfully using his tsukuyomi on danzou is because his sasanoo wont stay active very long because it drains his life and hes already ill. So using sasanoo to save his life just to die from using it becomes pointless because danzou wins anyways.

All in all there isn't a single thing sasuke did in his fight against danzo, that itachi couldn't have done better/ more effiecent/ less effort/ better planning/ more itelligent ,,,,etc...

U couldnt be more wrong. Its the one reason why sasuke could beat danzou and itachi without landing his tsukuyomi couldnt. Sasuke can spam his sasanoo from the get. and by doing so the first couple sneak attacks from behind after being killed will fail and allow sasuke to realise danzou cant be taken lightly, even after killing because hes using some special jutsu.

But, itachi can start off with sasanoo because the moment he uses it hes already killing himself because of his illness. And without rpior knowledge of danzou with Izanagi and how it works, theres only a couple of shinobi who could atcully defeat him.

1. Sasuke with sasanoo spamming.
2. Gaara with his autodefense.
3. Possibly a BGuser. With 359% and a chakra barrier to alert the user, he/she cant be snuck up on. And by using juuken danzous chakra can be turned off, thus Izanagi will fail from lack of chakra.?????
4. Pain if hell realm doesnt get merced within the first couple deaths/ambushes of danzou because he can just outlast the ten minutes while hell realm revives any merced other realms. (however, if shisuis eye could be used to make deva ST his own realms then danzou could probably win that though.

some kid
03-19-2010, 12:39 AM
This may sound odd since the fight technically happened but I have different conditions:

Sasuke vs. Danzo- Madara is NOT there and there's no threat of him coming (so Danzo doesn't focus on him) and there's no Karin to heal Sasuke.

stubborn_d0nkey
03-19-2010, 04:13 AM
This may sound odd since the fight technically happened but I have different conditions:

Sasuke vs. Danzo- Madara is NOT there and there's no threat of him coming (so Danzo doesn't focus on him) and there's no Karin to heal Sasuke.

sasuke and quick. no madara=> right arm not prepared when the fight starts=> no izanagai=> fast kill

superninja
03-19-2010, 05:56 AM
@KYF you are overestimating Danzo a bit because when Danzo uses Izanagi he disappears in front of his opponent and reappears somewhere else, so Itachi wouldn't have a false feeling of security since he would see Danzo disappearing in front of him. That means Itachi wouldn't think Danzo is dead/defeated and would have enough time to counter Danzo's attack from behind by summoning Susano or just moving fast out of the way. And then it would be genjutsu again, but this time Itachi would know what's going on so he would target Danzo's arm. And besides, Stubborn said that Danzo needs time to activate his sharingan arm so that means this fight would be over before it started unless Danzo comes prepared.

This may sound odd since the fight technically happened but I have different conditions:

Sasuke vs. Danzo- Madara is NOT there and there's no threat of him coming (so Danzo doesn't focus on him) and there's no Karin to heal Sasuke.

Well as Stubborn said, Danzo needs to charge his arm before using Izanagis but for the sake of a fair fight lets say it's Danzo with his sharingan arm ready and with his Shisui's eye ready to use. I would say Sasuke wins if it wasn't for the Shisui eye that can control other peoples thoughts, and I don't know if Sasuke can counter that (Itachi probably could since he knew Shisui very well and Itachi was a genjutsu master so he could sense any chakra disruption that comes from genjutsu).

ask me anything
03-19-2010, 08:54 PM
Sasukes is only crap because he can only paralyse the opponent physically while itachi can use the T/S contrl to torture an opponent for days straight which causes a mental breakdown as well as spiritual breakdown which cant be snapped out of like sasukes.

Power wise both are no different. Just how the two use theirs is all.

It's because itachi's can't be broken out of that makes it better. If danzo's in a coma he looses.

So how does itachi magicly know all about Izanagi and how it works?? He DOESNT!!! Which is why he would lose. If he knew danzou used Izanagi and how it worked Im sure he could pull off a V, but he doesnt.

I'll admit there's no manga proof he knows it, but itachi knew everything else about his clan didn't he. He knew about it's founding. He knew about madara(madara said himself that itachi sought him out). He knew about the secret message in their secret meeting spot. So why wouldn't he know about izanagi.

Oh BTW, Izanagi was said to be a technique forbidden by the clan to use. So for it to be expressly forbidden, the clan members would have to know about it to begin with.


Seriously?? Because once danzou is killed by the sword of tosuka and sucked in, he will reappear because its his ability to make his death at the hands of the sword an illusion and make it reality. Seriously, I thought u knew this already after some of theories u made along with me.


That's a special case. The sword was said to cast the ultimate genjutsu on the person it stabs. Whether or not that genjutsu is < or > then tsukuyomi is debatable. Regardless breaking a powerful genjutsu is very different from healing a cut. Particularly when the effect of the sword is to put the opponent into an eternal sleep. Can izanagi wake someone up???? I really can't answer that. So you can see why the sword working does have some grounds for success.


I like Itachi alot too, but when ur guard drops and ur ambushed from behind ur going to get hit just a Jman did with demon realm. And knowing danzou, he would hit itachi with his wind kunai or use his touch seal to Immobilize Itachi, take his eyes then kill him.

Or itachi would turn into crows and easily escape. Or it was a Kage Bushin to begin with. Or danzo's in a genjutsu and just thinks he has caught Itachi, when he's just talking to thin air. Or just about 100 other scenarios where itachi wins. Itachi is too clever to get caught off guard.

Itachi spent years in ANBU, and was even a captain at one point. Danzo was the leader of ANBU (all ANBU not just root). Itachi took part in the uchiha massacre orchestrated by danzo. You don't think he wondered what happened to his beloved comrades? Itachi could come and go from konoha as he pleased. He kept a close eye on events in konoha to make sure sasuke was safe(from danzo mainly).

J-man only knew pain was a former student and that he had rinnegan. Most of his useful knowledge was gain near the end of the fight. Compare the 2 together and Itachi has Wayyyyyy more info then J-man.

At the start of the fight Itachi would have a good understanding of danzo's strength. Once the Sharigarm is unleashed Itachi should figure it out pretty fast. If danzo ever used shusuis's eye it wouldn't matter. Itachi killed shisui to unlock his MS. You do remember that part don't you? So Itachi must have had a counter for it the first time.

There is no evidence to suggest itachi knew about Izanagi. I mean madara clearly only knew about it because he knows everything and danzou just probably discovered the jutsu with help from someone else??


Itachi refereed to madara as his master and teacher. What do masters do? They teach. Itachi was the darth vader of that Duo. Madara may not have taught him everything about the dark side(figuratively speaking), but he taught plenty enough to be useful. Itachi knew about a secret stone tablet that held the uchiha's greatest secrets. So why wouldn't he know about izanagi, which isn't nearly as important.


And itachi doesnt know danzou has his eye so that alone could beat itachi. He could convince itachi hes attacking from the back and just simply attack from the front and kill itachi with a frontal attack thanks to mind control.

If he doesn't know he's being controlled then Danzo might win. Though itachi being the master of genjutsu shouldn't be that easy a target. The guy practically laughed at Kurenai's genjutsu and deflected it back at her like it was nothing. Itachi is the genjutsu gos until said otherwise.

Still, the whole reason itachi cant beat danzou without succesfully using his tsukuyomi on danzou is because his sasanoo wont stay active very long because it drains his life and hes already ill. So using sasanoo to save his life just to die from using it becomes pointless because danzou wins anyways.

That's assuming itachi uses the same tactics as sasuke, where he needs susanoo. Only time he ever used it was against threats like Kirin and Hydra oro. Most of the attacks that sasuke had to block with susanoo wouldn't have even touched itachi.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-20-2010, 02:42 AM
@KYF you are overestimating Danzo a bit because when Danzo uses Izanagi he disappears in front of his opponent and reappears somewhere else, so Itachi wouldn't have a false feeling of security since he would see Danzo disappearing in front of him. That means Itachi wouldn't think Danzo is dead/defeated and would have enough time to counter Danzo's attack from behind by summoning Susano or just moving fast out of the way. And then it would be genjutsu again, but this time Itachi would know what's going on so he would target Danzo's arm. And besides, Stubborn said that Danzo needs time to activate his sharingan arm so that means this fight would be over before it started unless Danzo comes prepared..

But danzou knows all about itachi. He knows how he fights so danzou would activate Izanagi Immediatly IMO. And besides, even without Izanagi danzou can use shishuis eye to have itachi run head first into a kunai if he wants. Plus, danzou danzou still counter genjutsu with using Izanagai. If he can break sasukes tsukuyomi so easily then basic SG genjutsu should be like a nat, just annoying, but nonthreatening.


And how would itachi see danzou disapear?? Danzou has the ability to control that at will. Remember he wont disapear inftont of the enemy unless he wills it like against sasuke because he didnt disapear at all ubtil sasuke figured most of Izanagi out. Danzou startegicly dies, has enemy drop guard then disapears and reappears behind the enemy without any sign then attacks. Danzou did this multiple times to sasuke and the only reason he survived is because sasanoo was activated the first couple times allowing sasuke to learn about danzous jutsu mechanics, thus formulate a defense/counter which he did.

It's because itachi's can't be broken out of that makes it better. If danzo's in a coma he looses.

I completely agree!! Itachis effects of spiritual breakdown cant be reversed by use of bijuu, mdeical nin or anything which is why his tsukuyomi is instawin if its lands.

I'll admit there's no manga proof he knows it, but itachi knew everything else about his clan didn't he. He knew about it's founding. He knew about madara(madara said himself that itachi sought him out). He knew about the secret message in their secret meeting spot. So why wouldn't he know about izanagi.

Izanagi is a kinjutus that seems to be rather old so someone as young as itachi should no nothing of it IMO.

Anyways, since itachi sint known to know it, it can only be assumed without room of much error that itachi didnt which is why he would lose to danzou if he cant land his tsukuyomi rather quick in theyre fight,

Oh BTW, Izanagi was said to be a technique forbidden by the clan to use. So for it to be expressly forbidden, the clan members would have to know about it to begin with.

Again, itachis very young while madara and danzou are very old which is most likly how they even know about it. Whats worse is that madara had to see danzou use Izanagai quite a few times before even he recognized the jutsu lol. And after only a couple more times even sasuke figured it out so even if itachi knew something of it, the chances he would figure it out before danzou was able to reappear/ambush him is slim with his health.

That's a special case. The sword was said to cast the ultimate genjutsu on the person it stabs. Whether or not that genjutsu is < or > then tsukuyomi is debatable. Regardless breaking a powerful genjutsu is very different from healing a cut. Particularly when the effect of the sword is to put the opponent into an eternal sleep. Can izanagi wake someone up???? I really can't answer that. So you can see why the sword working does have some grounds for success.

The manga showed the sword has to STAB the enemy in order to work. However, the stab itself is a physical wound which Izanagi will make an illusion like anyother deadly wound so the totsuka sword would fail as well.http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/392/16/


Or itachi would turn into crows and easily escape. Or it was a Kage Bushin to begin with. Or danzo's in a genjutsu and just thinks he has caught Itachi, when he's just talking to thin air. Or just about 100 other scenarios where itachi wins. Itachi is too clever to get caught off guard.

Itachis intellect has nothing to do with it. DO u think devas Shinrei tensai wont hit itachi simply because hes smart? No. If itachi diesnt know about it then the attack will hit him because he will be off gaurd and unaware how to defend against such an attack.

Just because itachis smart doesnt mean when he kills danzou and then danzou reappears behind itachi without a trace, that suddenly itachis going to not have his guard down and focus on the dead body in front of him thats clearly nota genjutsu or a bushin. Itachi will get ambushed and just like anyother shinobi in the shinobi world exept anyone with autodefenses. Danzous attack will land.

Itachi spent years in ANBU, and was even a captain at one point. Danzo was the leader of ANBU (all ANBU not just root). Itachi took part in the uchiha massacre orchestrated by danzo. You don't think he wondered what happened to his beloved comrades? Itachi could come and go from konoha as he pleased. He kept a close eye on events in konoha to make sure sasuke was safe(from danzo mainly).

OK, but what does this have to do with anything?? Itachi is still unaware of Izanag and the fact danzou has it.

J-man only knew pain was a former student and that he had rinnegan. Most of his useful knowledge was gain near the end of the fight. Compare the 2 together and Itachi has Wayyyyyy more info then J-man.

Huhn?? What does this have to do with the fight. Itachi would only know Danzou has some SGs in his arm, thats all. He wouldnt know about elements, speed, power, ninjutsu ect.

At the start of the fight Itachi would have a good understanding of danzo's strength. Once the Sharigarm is unleashed Itachi should figure it out pretty fast. If danzo ever used shusuis's eye it wouldn't matter. Itachi killed shisui to unlock his MS. You do remember that part don't you? So Itachi must have had a counter for it the first time.


1. Itachi said nothing to suggest he knew anything about danzou fighting abilites. I mean itachi did alot of threatening about "revealing the truth", but never about physicly harming danzou.

2. Itachis analytical skills in high paced combat are no better then sasukes judgin by his fight with sasuke. So itachi would just figure out Izanagi just as quick as sasuke did which is way too late for itachi because danzou only needs to be killed once to merc itachi from behind.

3. Theres no actaull confirmation how itachi killed shishui, even if it was him who did it FOR SURE.

Itachi refereed to madara as his master and teacher. What do masters do? They teach. Itachi was the darth vader of that Duo. Madara may not have taught him everything about the dark side(figuratively speaking), but he taught plenty enough to be useful. Itachi knew about a secret stone tablet that held the uchiha's greatest secrets. So why wouldn't he know about izanagi, which isn't nearly as important.

Itachi just showed no deep knowledge of anything other then what he knew about the MS from madara and madaras own story about the Uchiha which was also told by madara. So, with madara being the one telling itachi, madara being the lieing manipuator he is and there being no need for itachi to know about a jutsu that could kill one of his prescious eyes Im sure madara wanted in the end. I see no reason to believe madara taught itachi Izanagai or the tablet even mentioned it.




If he doesn't know he's being controlled then Danzo might win. Though itachi being the master of genjutsu shouldn't be that easy a target. The guy practically laughed at Kurenai's genjutsu and deflected it back at her like it was nothing. Itachi is the genjutsu gos until said otherwise.

I agree itachi s a genjutsu god, but after itachi use a genjutsu to fool danzou then kill him with a taijutsu move. The gen is gonna dispell, itachis going to drop his guard as he looks at a dead danzou thats not a bushin or genjutsu then u know the rest.

That's assuming itachi uses the same tactics as sasuke, where he needs susanoo. Only time he ever used it was against threats like Kirin and Hydra oro. Most of the attacks that sasuke had to block with susanoo wouldn't have even touched itachi.

Thats just it!!! Because itachi doesnt use sasuke tactics, he would lose. Sasuke spamming his MS with sasanoo from the geto go is the only reason he was abel to beat danzou otherwise after thishttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/476/19-20/
thenhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/477/02/

Se that^^ He wouldve killed sasuke there. He wouldve stabbed sasuke right in the spine if not for sasanoo because even with the SG and sasuke ability to sense attacks from behind like itachi. sasuke saw danzou die so his quard was down.

NeoKakarott023
03-20-2010, 09:24 PM
True Uchihas would always defeat those whom had a sharingan transplanted, (at this point it includes Kakashi) and use techniques with their own. The power levels of Itachi, and now Sasuke are far too great, and included is the uchiha blood that runs through the veins that allow for amaretsu, tsukiyomi, and susanno to be used. Those techs will never be achieved by a non-Uchiha. I dug the way Madara, (whom from the way he's been talking to Sasuke like he has, or has had those 3 techs at his disposal before, http://www.narutocentral.com/manga.php?s=naruto&c=487&p=6) told Kakashi his kamui was fodder compared to his time/space jutsu http://www.narutocentral.com/manga.php?s=naruto&c=487&p=3

superninja
03-20-2010, 10:11 PM
Ok, who would win:
Yuugo (starts in CS lvl 1 and progresses to CS lvl 2) vs Lee and Shikamaru

Location is that hall with pillars where Yuugo fought raikage
Starting distance is 25 meters
Yuugo progresses from lvl 1 to lvl 2 in the time period of 5 to 10 minutes depending on how angered he gets (if Lee or Shika wound him and don't kill him he goes faster)

I say Lee and Shikamaru win.

The Special One
03-20-2010, 10:33 PM
I say Lee and Shikamaru win.

I do too... All Juugo is, is raw power and aggression... I say Juugo gets shadow trapped and then eats a leaf whirlwind...

Shrike
03-21-2010, 05:49 AM
Itachi > Danzou

Lee and Shika > Juugo (only if Lee opens some of the gates though)

Sniper
03-22-2010, 06:27 PM
New fight.

Gaara vs Shukaku

superninja
03-22-2010, 06:45 PM
New fight.

Gaara vs Shukaku

It would be a big fight were Gara would try to subdue Shukaku with the sand and Shukaku is pretty big so it would require a lot of sand. Shukaku is a one tailed demon that makes his body out of sand, right?
Gara prob doesn't know any sealing jutsu that would seal the Shukaku, but maybe if Gara creates a big enough desert coffin, Shukaku could get permanently trapped inside. So, I say Gara wins by creating a new mountain made of compressed sand in the process where Shukaku gets trapped. Gara uses too much chakra and dies, the mountain gets named after him.

Kinako
03-22-2010, 06:55 PM
Chojiro vs Zabuza

stubborn_d0nkey
03-22-2010, 07:01 PM
Zabuza, because we have seen more from him :P

Kinako
03-24-2010, 01:05 AM
Zabuza, because we have seen more from him :P

Yeah I just pulled that matchup outta my ass anyway. What about Shino vs. Torune??

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-24-2010, 02:11 PM
Grand epic fight of Quantity (Nagato/6 paths of pain) VS

Quality (Nagato by himself with all his abilites)

(Note: Nagato by himself can use all 5 elements so be creative, his KBs can also use all RG jutsu as well as link eyes by sharing the same chakra and no gedo mezo for this^^ nagato, too much hax)

GO!!!!

freaz
03-24-2010, 02:20 PM
No idea what your point is ^

Nagato VS ?

Haven't seen any good match-ups lately..
So I'm going to try for it ^^..

Suigetsu and Zabuza vs. Rock lee, Hinata, Choji and Ten Ten!

Location: Chuunin Exam Arena.
Teams have no knowledge of each other.
Suigetsu also has Zabuza's sword so both of them got the same sword.
Lee can open gates up to 5.

Wolverine
03-24-2010, 02:45 PM
He means Nagato vs 6 paths of Pain.

I personally would favour Pain, only due to 2 basic reasons - shared vision by the 6 bodies thereby making it difficult to catch them off guard; and the ability of ressurection provided by Hell realm.

It doesn't really matter what technique of what element Nagato uses since he would be a single body using one technique after another while Pain would uses multiple techniques in tandem with proper co-ordination, thereby being more effective. Nagato is also at a disadvantage since he would need to focus on all 6 bodies of Pain while Pain would have a single body to concentrate on. Their jutsu repertoire would be similar and hence the above elements would be the eventual deciding factors of the outcome of this fight.

I give this fight to Pain 7-3.

superninja
03-24-2010, 08:09 PM
Suigetsu and Zabuza vs. Rock lee, Hinata, Choji and Ten Ten!

Location: Chuunin Exam Arena.
Teams have no knowledge of each other.
Suigetsu also has Zabuza's sword so both of them got the same sword.
Lee can open gates up to 5.

Suigetsu and Zabuza win. Suigetsu is immune to physical attacks so he can hold all 4 of them while Zabuza is also good at taijutsu, but he can summon the water and the mist and since they fight in a closed arena, the mist should fill the room fast. Then Hinata, Cho, Tenten and Lee would be screwed because Zabuza is the master at assassinations. Tenten wouldn't see, so she couldn't use her weapons effectively, Rock Lee would be blind, Cho also, Hinata would see but she would be targeted first for that reason.

Zabuza and Suigetsu 8 - Lee, Chouji, Tenten and Hintai 2 (they have a chance because its a small arena - Tenten gets increased chance to hit and Hinata can see them in the mist and can see the real Zabuza from water clones, also Lee has gates)

Thor
03-24-2010, 08:36 PM
Sage Mode Naruto Vs Naruto Part 1 & Naruto Part 2 without Sage Mode.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-24-2010, 11:16 PM
No idea what your point is ^

Nagato VS ?

Haven't seen any good match-ups lately..
So I'm going to try for it ^^..

Suigetsu and Zabuza vs. Rock lee, Hinata, Choji and Ten Ten!

Location: Chuunin Exam Arena.
Teams have no knowledge of each other.
Suigetsu also has Zabuza's sword so both of them got the same sword.
Lee can open gates up to 5.

Are u aduuur?? Whats no to understand about nagato healthy without gedo mezo vs nagato with 6 paths of pain??

He means Nagato vs 6 paths of Pain.

I personally would favour Pain, only due to 2 basic reasons - shared vision by the 6 bodies thereby making it difficult to catch them off guard; and the ability of ressurection provided by Hell realm.

It doesn't really matter what technique of what element Nagato uses since he would be a single body using one technique after another while Pain would uses multiple techniques in tandem with proper co-ordination, thereby being more effective. Nagato is also at a disadvantage since he would need to focus on all 6 bodies of Pain while Pain would have a single body to concentrate on. Their jutsu repertoire would be similar and hence the above elements would be the eventual deciding factors of the outcome of this fight.

I give this fight to Pain 7-3.

Im afraid I must disagree. This again is one of situations where Quantaty<quality IMO.

There are six realms, each able to use 1 jutsu and basic taijutsu. But even though there is only one of nagato. He can use all seven abilites, all 5 elements and his KBs can do the same as well as share vision because they share the same special chakra.

1. The 6 paths of pains speed was about kakashi level while nagaots healthy was so fast he was able to avoid hanzous explosive tags traphttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/447/04/
thenhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/447/05/

Nagato was abel to out run the blast, save konan from any harm and end up back where he started in just one panel. Thats sasuke/itachi god like speed. So nagato and his KBs will be moving around much faster then any realm path will.

And after killing hell realm nagato can wait for deva to use ST so the 5 second limit kicks, use his god like speed to surround all the paths with hundreads of KBs. Then the real nagato can sit back and watch as the six paths of pain are crushed to nothingness by a Shinrei tensai from all sides. Granted the KBs will get the backlash as well and be killed, but the real nagato will be unharmed.

Lol, thats just one combo I can think of. A Basho tenin from all sied could be used to pull the realms apart, ect ect.

Wolverine
03-25-2010, 02:34 AM
^Just one question... Does Nagato even know the Kage Bunshin?

superninja
03-25-2010, 12:45 PM
Sage Mode Naruto Vs Naruto Part 1 & Naruto Part 2 without Sage Mode.

Sage mode Naruto wins, base Naruto only does mass kage bunshins, SM Naruto can massively destroy them with rasenshuriken that explodes. However, if one of Naruto clones manages to get rasengan to SM Naruto, then base Naruto could win. It's a tough one.
I say SM Naruto 6 - base Narutos 4.

ask me anything
03-25-2010, 01:15 PM
Sage Mode Naruto Vs Naruto Part 1 & Naruto Part 2 without Sage Mode.

SM naruto has a huge advantage. He can track both his opponents location at all time, while he hides himself from them. He's also way stronger and faster then them. 2 punches is all it takes to finish this fight.

A rasengan wouldn't be enough to stop SM naruto. It would hurt a little, but it wouldn't KO him. In SM (during his training) naruto fell 100 feet straight down and landed on jagged rocks and it didn't even hurt him. And don't forget about frog katas. SM naruto can hit an opponent without even touching them. By the time either of his opponents get close enough to hit him with Rasengan it would be all over, just because frog kata's have a longer reach and equally destructive power.

Only thing that could stand against SM naruto is Kyuubi. If we allowed both part 1 and part 2 naruto to go Kn3 mode then that would be a fair fight. Otherwise they don't stand a chance.

SM naruto 9-1 part 1&2 normal naruto's

SM naruto 6-4 part 1&2 naruto's in 3-tails form.

superninja
03-25-2010, 01:24 PM
A rasengan wouldn't be enough to stop SM naruto. It would hurt a little, but it wouldn't KO him. In SM (during his training) naruto fell 100 feet straight down and landed on jagged rocks and it didn't even hurt him. And don't forget about frog katas. SM naruto can hit an opponent without even touching them. By the time either of his opponents get close enough to hit him with Rasengan it would be all over, just because frog kata's have a longer reach and equally destructive power.



Maybe a rasengan wouldn't insta kill sage mode Naruto, but it wouldn't be a scratch either imo. It would rip a hole in him, whether SM Naruto would heal it is another story, but I think SM Naruto can be pierced with chidori or rasengan. He can tank blunt dmg, but this is piercing we are talking about. Tanking a high fall on the stones isn't much of a feat since Gara or Kakuzu or Raikage could do the same. But that doesn't make them immune to rasengan since rasengan is meant to pierce the tough defense in the first place.
This is just my opinion since Naruto in sage mode never had the opportunity to try his defense against high lvl jutsus like rasengan or chidori.

AOTKorby
03-25-2010, 06:48 PM
Maybe a rasengan wouldn't insta kill sage mode Naruto, but it wouldn't be a scratch either imo. It would rip a hole in him, whether SM Naruto would heal it is another story, but I think SM Naruto can be pierced with chidori or rasengan. He can tank blunt dmg, but this is piercing we are talking about. Tanking a high fall on the stones isn't much of a feat since Gara or Kakuzu or Raikage could do the same. But that doesn't make them immune to rasengan since rasengan is meant to pierce the tough defense in the first place.
This is just my opinion since Naruto in sage mode never had the opportunity to try his defense against high lvl jutsus like rasengan or chidori.

1. Rasengan is not "piercing". It's an EXPLOSION. A gigantic release of energy all at once. It's not about precision strikes! It's about blowing your opponent the fuck away, and SM Naruto has already shown that it takes a SHITLOAD of force for him to even FEEL IT.

2. SM Naruto fell hundreds of feet onto PERFECTLY POINTED STONES. Tell me THAT isn't "piercing" damage. Kakuzu would need his iron skin tech to not get impaled, Raikage would die instantly if he didn't have the Raiton armor on, and Gaara himself wouldn't be capable of tanking that, only if he shielded himself with sand.

3. Note the underlined: Falling hundreds of feet is already pretty much a death sentence normally. Falling onto completely perfectly pointed rocks just makes it even less likely for you to survive.

superninja
03-25-2010, 07:03 PM
1. Rasengan is not "piercing". It's an EXPLOSION. A gigantic release of energy all at once. It's not about precision strikes! It's about blowing your opponent the fuck away, and SM Naruto has already shown that it takes a SHITLOAD of force for him to even FEEL IT.

2. SM Naruto fell hundreds of feet onto PERFECTLY POINTED STONES. Tell me THAT isn't "piercing" damage. Kakuzu would need his iron skin tech to not get impaled, Raikage would die instantly if he didn't have the Raiton armor on, and Gaara himself wouldn't be capable of tanking that, only if he shielded himself with sand.

3. Note the underlined: Falling hundreds of feet is already pretty much a death sentence normally. Falling onto completely perfectly pointed rocks just makes it even less likely for you to survive.

Gara would just cover his skin with hardened sand and that would be enough for him to tank a fall down to the spiky stones. Gara endured when gated Lee slammed him down into concrete from some height, so falling down wouldn't hurt him also.

Don't downplay the rasengan, doesn't matter if it's "piercing" by nature, it's purpose is to break through defense. It can break through solid objects and iron walls so why wouldn't it break through Naruto in sage mode? If I post something like "rasengan can't get through Gara's sand defense, or it can't get through Kakuzu's iron skin, or it can't get through raikage you would defend the rasengan. But when I say it would go through SM Naruto, you are defending Naruto's "iron skin" while in sage mode to be more uber than anything in manga. Naruto didn't show anything more than Gara, Kakuzu and Raikage in terms of defense or tanking.

GYX
03-26-2010, 10:08 AM
Gara would just cover his skin with hardened sand and that would be enough for him to tank a fall down to the spiky stones. Gara endured when gated Lee slammed him down into concrete from some height, so falling down wouldn't hurt him also.

Don't downplay the rasengan, doesn't matter if it's "piercing" by nature, it's purpose is to break through defense. It can break through solid objects and iron walls so why wouldn't it break through Naruto in sage mode? If I post something like "rasengan can't get through Gara's sand defense, or it can't get through Kakuzu's iron skin, or it can't get through raikage you would defend the rasengan. But when I say it would go through SM Naruto, you are defending Naruto's "iron skin" while in sage mode to be more uber than anything in manga. Naruto didn't show anything more than Gara, Kakuzu and Raikage in terms of defense or tanking.

That same fall would mean death to 99% Naruto's characters, and only SM Naruto has been shown to survive it without using any techniques, he just fell and ?... no damage taken.

Only the wind rassengan pierces through defences. The regular Rassengan just hits the opponent, defence and all, knoking people out provided enough force behind the hit. It's like a huge chakra punch, and it's form make the hit more affective.

as for the Fight is just a huge mismatch. SM Naruto should win with little effort. Only if a wind rassengan hits (very unlikely) they can get the upper hand on SM, or going t3 to make the fight interesting for a bit. Other than that, SM 9-1

superninja
03-26-2010, 11:03 AM
That same fall would mean death to 99% Naruto's characters, and only SM Naruto has been shown to survive it without using any techniques, he just fell and ?... no damage taken.


Sage mode is a technique. A technique that apparently improves his tanking ability or defense, but the spiky stones are one thing and the jutsus are another. Against Pein Naruto didn't test that defense too much.

What about Shino vs. Torune??

I was thinking that since Torune's bugs are much smaller, they could maybe eat the chakra from Shino's bugs. But Shino on the other hand can summon a bigger volume of bugs with his insect globe and similar jutsus. Not saying that Shino has more bugs since Torune's are nanobugs, but Shino can trap Torune in the insect globe. What happens then is anyone's guess. I'd go with Shino wins then.

saiyaman
03-27-2010, 11:57 AM
How about this one:

Kabuto(Without Oro hax on his body)
Chouji(Normal Timeline, has access to those special pills)

vs

Shikamaru(Shippuden Timeline)
Kiba(Shippuden Timeline, has access to the Dog pills)

Setting: Forest of Death

Conditions:
1.Kabuto can use his chakra a total of two times to heal him and his ally back to full health
2.Shikamaru cannot use the Shadow neck jutsu more than 4 times without hampering his stamina

superninja
03-27-2010, 01:41 PM
How about this one:

Kabuto(Without Oro hax on his body)
Chouji(Normal Timeline, has access to those special pills)

vs

Shikamaru(Shippuden Timeline)
Kiba(Shippuden Timeline, has access to the Dog pills)

Setting: Forest of Death

Conditions:
1.Kabuto can use his chakra a total of two times to heal him and his ally back to full health
2.Shikamaru cannot use the Shadow neck jutsu more than 4 times without hampering his stamina

What is their starting distance? Because if they are far away from each other then Kiba and Shika can track Kabuto and Chouji by using Kiba's sense of scent. That would give Kiba and Shikamaru a slight advantage. But Kabuto is very clever and if he knows Kiba is tracking him he can counter that by summoning some corpses (Kabuto carries a scroll with corpses for storage). Then Kabuto would place his and Chouji's scent onto the corpses and place them around the forest to confuse Kiba. But, Kabuto would also mask himself as one of his corpses to further fool Shikamaru and Kiba (they would think the real Kabuto is a corpse left for a diversion). But Shikamaru would probably think about that option and arrange with Kiba for a counterattack (they would act surprised, but would know what's going on). And so, Kiba and Shikamaru would gain the edge over Kabuto, but that still leaves Chouji unaccounted for. Chouji would jump out of the bushes to protect Kabuto when the fight starts. So, I'd go with Kabuto and Chouji win because Kabuto can heal his injuries, Chouji can boost his strength and can become pretty big and physical, Shika can't hold the two of them with his shadow for long, Kiba doesn't have Akamaru so he can't transform into a giant dog.

Konnaha_yellow_flash
03-27-2010, 03:57 PM
LMAO, Chouji wakes up "I sure am fat on this Tuesday morning". "I hope I dont screw anything up".


Conclusion: Choujis fat fail gets him and kabuto killed, the end. SHikakiba team wins.

saiyaman
03-31-2010, 04:18 AM
What is their starting distance? Because if they are far away from each other then Kiba and Shika can track Kabuto and Chouji by using Kiba's sense of scent.

Well let's say that they start at medium range but not hidden from each other. I would go with Kabuto and Chouji as well. If Shikamaru manages to catch them both in his shadows, then at least Chouji will be pwned by Kiba and Akamaru's Dual Dog Head Technique :p (Forgot the name LOL). With that Chouji can be taken out quite easily and Shikamaru can strangle Kabuto to death........provided he does it quickly. And provided they can catch the real Kabuto if he's using his bodies to escape detection.

kOnOhA's WhItE fAnG
04-02-2010, 06:22 AM
Konohamaru vs his future legacy

i know what u guys r thinking...huh? but i have a feeling kono will be a great ninja because he wants to surpass naruto and become hokage. but i think he'll go monkey rather than frog; and become more like his grandpa rather than naruto.

so will kono succeed in his quest, or will his drive for a future legacy be to much for him, and be his undoing?

superninja
04-02-2010, 08:08 AM
Konohamaru vs his future legacy

i know what u guys r thinking...huh? but i have a feeling kono will be a great ninja because he wants to surpass naruto and become hokage. but i think he'll go monkey rather than frog; and become more like his grandpa rather than naruto.

so will kono succeed in his quest, or will his drive for a future legacy be to much for him, and be his undoing?

You need to clarify what is his "future legacy" you are talking about.

Konohamaru will be a great ninja since he already knows rasengan and kage bunshin. If he gets the monkey king summon like you said then Konohamaru will be stronger than most jounin with just these three jutsus. And he will probably learn many more. So Konohamaru will develop his own style and leave a legacy behind him, future Konohamaru will be stronger than the present one.
So say the great sage superninja.