Okay then what about Amateratsu? or Susanoo?

Okay then what about Amateratsu? or Susanoo?

Ameratsu would probably cause the loss of 1 or 2 hearts.
Kakuzu was shown to be very smart he would probably use a doton jutsu too block the flames and like i said Susano with that sword would cause the loss most likely

If Kakazu's body is gone, the hearts will die. Remember how that heart had to jump back into Kakazu's body?

If Kakazu's body is gone, the hearts will die. Remember how that heart had to jump back into Kakazu's body?

he could go into his defense mode then use a mask to block the ameratsu

They won't react fast enough.

They won't react fast enough.

Maybe, but he could block with a doton jutsu

Maybe, but he could block with a doton jutsu

It won't be fast enough.

It won't be fast enough.

i dont know i just think that ameratsus speed is overestimated thats why i believe a block could happen

No, it took Raikage to use ssj2 shushin to dodge Amateratsu. That's serious business.

Lee vs. Neji

Keep in mind if he opens the gates he is too fast to track. so i think that the 360 defense won't work.
also trigrams won't help cause he doesn't use chakra for taijutsu. so we will see what is better. Bone breaking taijutsu or gentle fist?
i say Lee.

^Stay on topic.

No, it took Raikage to use ssj2 shushin to dodge Amateratsu. That's serious business.

yea ur right, still kakuzu was always one of my favorite characters

Lee vs. Neji

Keep in mind if he opens the gates he is too fast to track. so i think that the 360 defense won't work.
also trigrams won't help cause he doesn't use chakra for taijutsu. so we will see what is better. Bone breaking taijutsu or gentle fist?
i say Lee.

He doesn't? Really now? He naturally moves that fast? Is he Sonic or something?

Neji's a jounin, he wins by default :D

He doesn't? Really now? He naturally moves that fast? Is he Sonic or something?

Neji's a jounin, he wins by default :D

Shit by that logic Naruto is one of the weakest characters in the manga.

Edit: i give it to neji because he can use kaiten to block lee with gates

No because Neji is a greater fodder than Lee. So in fodderworld, ranks=Fodder's strength.

Kaiten,360 vision and Palm thrust(tech which blew kisame away)
If neji was able to parry fox induced naruto then lee's base speed wont be problem.
Opening the gates will give lee the advantage in speed and strength.
Overall Neji wins 6:4

Kaiten can't block a 5-gates-reinforced kick or punch. It's just fact. But never shown. If you can estimate the simplest thing, you can estimate how Neji's funeral would be if Lee uses 5gates on his ass.

^Dude, he doesnt block. He parries attacks

^Dude, he doesnt block. He parries attacks

He can pass it. He'll have enough force to go through it and deliver the blow.

Btw yes you're right. He parries them.

He can pass it. He'll have enough force to go through it and deliver the blow.

Btw yes you're right. He parries them.

If he can parry a Kyuubi chakra enhanced punch, then its pretty strong.

Gaara blocked Amaterasu with sand while guarding multiple people. Amaterasu can be blocked.

Gaara blocked Amaterasu with sand while guarding multiple people. Amaterasu can be blocked.

Yeah but that's Gaara sand manipulation which is faster than he moves, it also was out of the gourd before Sasuke summoned Amateratsu. It would take a while for a doton user to make a wall in order to block Amateratsu.

Yeah but that's Gaara sand manipulation which is faster than he moves, it also was out of the gourd before Sasuke summoned Amateratsu. It would take a while for a doton user to make a wall in order to block Amateratsu.
I already debunked your argument with actual fact. No point in dragging something out for the sake of arguing. Amaterasu can be blocked because it actually was blocked.

No I'm talking about the speed not the block itself Vengeance. If something is too fast and you couldn't defend does that mean it can't be blocked period? no it doesn't, just that you weren't fast enough to put up a defense.

Naruto now Vs. Gai

Seriouly gai wins. I dont see anyway anyone can defend against the 6th and 7th gate. Naruto will be ripped apart with that power and speed.

Think Naruto will beat Gai - because Naruto is the main char. He will kick everybody's asses. He has got more Chakra, stamina and far better tech's than Gai does. Not that Gai will not stand a chance, he will - I call it 70-30 or 80-20 Naruto's way.

Naruto now Vs. Gai

Seriouly gai wins. I dont see anyway anyone can defend against the 6th and 7th gate. Naruto will be ripped apart with that power and speed.

Unbelievable! So now 8 gates>>>Kyuubi's chakra?

It's amazing how you remember Gai going 7 gates and automatically assume he's strong while very conveniently forgetting what Naruto did to Kisame in 1 PANEL without anyone else even noticing it before it actually happened...

^True. One swing of one arm of the 4tails naruto took out oro himself and his million snakes. I think I went overboard cos of the chapter. May be the 2wks wait. ha ha...

^True. One swing of one arm of the 4tails naruto took out oro himself and his million snakes. I think I went overboard cos of the chapter. May be the 2wks wait. ha ha...

In terms of sheer physical strength in the most powerful form, Naruto surpasses Gai. 6TK Naruto not only withstood Shinra Tensei effortlessly, but also repelled it. Gai is good but he's outclassed...

How about Kirabi vs Naruto?

We only know that Naruto has enhanced speed and strength. Nothing else about him is known. Considering we assume that the amount of chakra amplifies all his attributes... and the fact that we have some idea of what Kirabi can do, who do you think would win?

In terms of sheer physical strength in the most powerful form, Naruto surpasses Gai. 6TK Naruto not only withstood Shinra Tensei effortlessly, but also repelled it. Gai is good but he's outclassed...

How about Kirabi vs Naruto?

We only know that Naruto has enhanced speed and strength. Nothing else about him is known. Considering we assume that the amount of chakra amplifies all his attributes... and the fact that we have some idea of what Kirabi can do, who do you think would win?

I'd give it to KB 6-4. The only way I can see Naruto winning is by first using Sage Mode to take out Samehada(which we don't even know whether it COULD be overloaded), then using RSM to take on KB's Jink form. That's a larger stretch to believe than "KB will use his Jink form in addition to Samehada to completely clobber Naruto in any form".

I'd give it to KB 6-4. The only way I can see Naruto winning is by first using Sage Mode to take out Samehada(which we don't even know whether it COULD be overloaded), then using RSM to take on KB's Jink form. That's a larger stretch to believe than "KB will use his Jink form in addition to Samehada to completely clobber Naruto in any form".

Umm... what about his speed and strength, which I think, surpasses that of Kirabi's? Kirabi could barely follow Naruto's movement in chapter 505. I don't think it's gonna be as easy as you make it sound for him. As we have seen, high speed taijutsu is the best counter for a wielder of Samehada. I think Naruto still would win this one.

Plus, I don't really know if he would resort to using SM a lot in the future considering that he has another stronger powerup, with all the aspects of SM and without its limitations.

Nine tails is obviously powerful that eight. (naruto wins)

Bee has shown only to use raiton, naruto has fuuton(wins again)

Taijutsu - frog fu aint a joke. A miss counts as a hit. (win for naruto)

Speed - from what we have seen so far. They are both fast but naruto has the upper hand. (naruto wins)

Swords - fighting with kitchen knives and catching dariu's sword aint no feat. Bee will butcher him. (bee wins)

Power - both got power on the same level. (draw)

Genjutsu - they both suck (draw)

Ninjutsu - Naruto ownz bee.

Overall. Naruto wins. Samehada might pose a problem to naruto but SM will erase that.

Nine tails is obviously powerful that eight. (naruto wins)

Bee has shown only to use raiton, naruto has fuuton(wins again)

Taijutsu - frog fu aint a joke. A miss counts as a hit. (win for naruto)

Speed - from what we have seen so far. They are both fast but naruto has the upper hand. (naruto wins)

Swords - fighting with kitchen knives and catching dariu's sword aint no feat. Bee will butcher him. (bee wins)

Power - both got power on the same level. (draw)

Genjutsu - they both suck (draw)

Ninjutsu - Naruto ownz bee.

Overall. Naruto wins. Samehada might pose a problem to naruto but SM will erase that.

In terms of power, speed and strength (durability), I believe Naruto has the advantage. In terms of sword skills and battle expertise, Killerbee wins. But this manga never follows that rule. So I think Naruto would win this.

It makes no sense for him to acquire new powers and still be inferior to Killerbee. That's just stupid...

EDIT:-
P.S. - The fuck do you mean by they both suck at Genjutsu? Sasuke's MS Genjutsu is ineffective on both of them now so that obviously means the opposite...

Nine tails is obviously powerful that eight. (naruto wins)

Bee has shown only to use raiton, naruto has fuuton(wins again)

Taijutsu - frog fu aint a joke. A miss counts as a hit. (win for naruto)

Speed - from what we have seen so far. They are both fast but naruto has the upper hand. (naruto wins)

Swords - fighting with kitchen knives and catching dariu's sword aint no feat. Bee will butcher him. (bee wins)

Power - both got power on the same level. (draw)

Genjutsu - they both suck (draw)

Ninjutsu - Naruto ownz bee.

Overall. Naruto wins. Samehada might pose a problem to naruto but SM will erase that.

The flaw in your argument is bolded. Killer Bee doesn't have to NOT use his fully-powered Jink form against Sage Mode. Sage Mode stands no chance against Fully Powered Jink mode. But Naruto can't USE RSM so long as Samehada remains in play, as Samehada will just drain the chakra.

This doesn't have to play out like a "typical Shonen fight" where both sides continually escalate the scale of the powers they use. KB can come out gunning with Jink mode and Naruto couldn't do shit about it.

The flaw in your argument is bolded. Killer Bee doesn't have to NOT use his fully-powered Jink form against Sage Mode. Sage Mode stands no chance against Fully Powered Jink mode. But Naruto can't USE RSM so long as Samehada remains in play, as Samehada will just drain the chakra.

This doesn't have to play out like a "typical Shonen fight" where both sides continually escalate the scale of the powers they use. KB can come out gunning with Jink mode and Naruto couldn't do shit about it.

You make a very good point here...

But in Jink mode, do you really think he will go about using Samehada? Especially when he's increased his size almost tenfold? Also, if he uses his Bijuu form, he would seriously lose his speed advantage. This makes me wonder what Naruto would do once he goes complete H8 mode, since Naruto can't perform a Bijuu transformation to match his size.

But his strength and speed along with the increase in power granted to his techniques should more than make up for it, based on how Akatsuki members took out their targets...

You make a very good point here...

But in Jink mode, do you really think he will go about using Samehada? Especially when he's increased his size almost tenfold? Also, if he uses his Bijuu form, he would seriously lose his speed advantage. This makes me wonder what Naruto would do once he goes complete H8 mode, since Naruto can't perform a Bijuu transformation to match his size.

But his strength and speed along with the increase in power granted to his techniques should more than make up for it, based on how Akatsuki members took out their targets...

Remember the Version 2 transformation? He doesn't sacrifice mobility AT ALL for that, and it wouldn't be hard to continue to wield Samehada in that form.

The flaw in your argument is bolded. Killer Bee doesn't have to NOT use his fully-powered Jink form against Sage Mode. Sage Mode stands no chance against Fully Powered Jink mode. But Naruto can't USE RSM so long as Samehada remains in play, as Samehada will just drain the chakra.

This doesn't have to play out like a "typical Shonen fight" where both sides continually escalate the scale of the powers they use. KB can come out gunning with Jink mode and Naruto couldn't do shit about it.

Your only assuming that Sage Mode is no match for 8 Tail mode. Naruto used Sage Mode to capture the Nine tails in his mind. That is more evidence that it could, even if it is marginalized cause it is in his mind, then that it couldn't compete with 8 tail mode. Sage mode is bad ass don't under estimate it.

Your only assuming that Sage Mode is no match for 8 Tail mode. Naruto used Sage Mode to capture the Nine tails in his mind. That is more evidence that it could, even if it is marginalized cause it is in his mind, then that it couldn't compete with 8 tail mode. Sage mode is bad ass don't under estimate it.

http://www.memeticians.com/2008/05/23/1454018245_5986b5e6c1.jpg

did the whole "Bijuu alone are nowhere near as powerful as Jinchuuriki" speech go over your head?

Your only assuming that Sage Mode is no match for 8 Tail mode. Naruto used Sage Mode to capture the Nine tails in his mind. That is more evidence that it could, even if it is marginalized cause it is in his mind, then that it couldn't compete with 8 tail mode. Sage mode is bad ass don't under estimate it.

Dude SM naruto is no stronger then him in about 2-3tail power wise. Up against the entire 8tails, not just half of the kyuubi in his head then naruto would be slaughtered.

Dude SM naruto is no stronger then him in about 2-3tail power wise. Up against the entire 8tails, not just half of the kyuubi in his head then naruto would be slaughtered.

Like I said, it makes no sense for Naruto to still be weaker than Kirabi in his new form. Not only is that zilch foresight then by Minato, but also a retarded proposition...

Like I said, it makes no sense for Naruto to still be weaker than Kirabi in his new form. Not only is that zilch foresight then by Minato, but also a retarded proposition...

KB has the Samehada. Samehada makes Naruto's new form flat-out useless against KB. Sage Mode could beat Samehada. But Sage Mode Naruto stands ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE against Jink form KB.

Who do u guys think would win between gaara and sasuke??

Sasuke would win.

i agree but i think it could be interesting to watch

And all KB saw was....a Yellow Flash! *0.0000000001sec later* KB~dead.

Yeah Sasuke would win it was close back in the day and Sasuke seams to have grown at a ton faster rate plus now he can electric shiled when ever the sand comes to it is not much of a contest any more.

i think it would be a fun match to see how gaara would try to win agianst him, another fight i was thinkin of was sasuke and kisame??

With or without Samehada?

KB has the Samehada. Samehada makes Naruto's new form flat-out useless against KB. Sage Mode could beat Samehada. But Sage Mode Naruto stands ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE against Jink form KB.

Does this mean that Kirabi would beat Pain if the two fought?

Does this mean that Kirabi would beat Pain if the two fought?
No .

Fish Sticks and Killer Bee are about the same level and Killer Bee was more powerful then Sasuke, but since then he has gotten a ton stronger, but KB seemed to just be playing with him back then. With that said it comes down to what happens when the sword hits his Sadu thing. I belive that due to the Water jutsu being nulified due to sharingon. That Saske would win.

However if the chakara sword adds a lot of strain on the eye fish sticks could win and he knows all about the tricks after following Itachi around.

I still think Sasuke would win but I think right now he would win not factoring in what Madra doling to sasuke cause we don't have a clue what that will do.

hmmm with so its more interesting

If he still had it that would Nulify genjutsu most likely But if need be I think think his crazy archer would come out and pawn him but I still don't think it would come to that because the racon seamed to be made of sand and earth as well so the lightning would still be effective.

Fish Sticks and Killer Bee are about the same level
No they're not. Kisame without Samehada stands no chance against Kirabi without Samehda.

and Killer Bee was more powerful then Sasuke,
Again no. Kirabi was more powerful than a version of Sasuke who wasn't familiar with his abilities. Once Sasuke unlocked Amaterasu Sasuke became more powerful(not factoring in Samehada). Sasuke has since unlocked new power such as Susanoo.

but since then he has gotten a ton stronger, but KB seemed to just be playing with him back then. With that said it comes down to what happens when the sword hits his Sadu thing. I belive that due to the Water jutsu being nulified due to sharingon. That Saske would win.
Ummm what?

1. How are water jutsu nullified because of sharingan?
2. Does Kisame have Samehada when he's fighting Sasuke?

However if the chakara sword adds a lot of strain on the eye fish sticks could win and he knows all about the tricks after following Itachi around.
Speak English & use their actual names please. What do you mean by chakra sword adding strain to sharingan?

I still think Sasuke would win but I think right now he would win not factoring in what Madra doling to sasuke cause we don't have a clue what that will do.
Huuuu??

Ok I'm going to brake down a what if battle between Sasuke & Kisame(using Samehada).

Sasuke rushes Kisame while wielding his sword with chidori running through it. Kisame also rushes. Kisame swings first & Sasuke dodges the swing using sharingan & strikes Kisame with a slash. However the chidori in the sword was absorbed by Samehada so the wound isn't as deep as it should be. Sasuke notices this to his surprise & gets hit in the face with a knee from Kisame sending Sasuke flying. With Kisame bleeding he uses some big arse water jutsu to try & trap Sasuke. As Sasuke is recovering however he'll notice the water & summon piggeot to the field to get away from the gigantic wave. Kisame will then start shooting a shit load of shark missiles at Sasuke. Like say 20 because well he can do that shit. Sasuke is forced to block using Susanoo & lands on the water while his piggeot returns to its pokeball. Sasuke tries to use a Genjutsu on Kisame but it fails since Samehada senses an abnormality in Kisame & fixes it like Kirabi did. Sasuke falls to one knee while Kisame counters by shooting off more shark clones. Lets say another 20 because Kisame can do that shit. Sasuke again blocks with Susanoo & counters by shooting some awesome holy arrows of light. Kisame however drops into the water to dodge & tries to swim under Sasuke while wielding Samehada. With Susanoo still active Sasuke will then target Kisame with Amaterasu however the Amaterasu will get eaten by Samehada since it's made up of chakra(yes thats right). Kisame will slash Susanoo from below as Sasuke is barely able to jump back to dodge the actual blade. Sasuke will fall to one knee since his chakra was drained as a result of Samehada eating a part of Susanoo. Kisame will use Sasuke's own chakra to heal his injuries & make a comment on how he knew Itachi well & knew about all of his jutsu. Kisame will then brag about how Sasuke never stood a chance. Kisame rushes & Sasuke tries to block with Susanoo but its ripped apart by Samehada's chakra eating abilities. Sasuke is struck down by Samehada & Kisame wins.

Yes that's right Kisame with Samehada would beat Sasuke.

does sasuke have the shield that itachi had?? i think that might be able to stop samehada because it "reflects" all attacks

1. I think he was beating Kirabi with water Jutsu just fine and I think the only reason it looked like he could lose was to finnish the other plan. Even if Kirabi would win it would be close.

2. Ninja often don't know what the other ninja is has so not knowing his power is not an excuse for how badly Sasuke got beaten in the first fight with Kirabi.

3. I stated that he has gotten a ton stronger since that point exponentially stronger infact which is the reason I am picking him now.

4. In one of the very first fights of the series Kakshi showed how someone with a sharingon can basically copy and nulify all your jutsu which is why I said that.

5. I assumed Kisame does have the sword because it is as much a part of his character as the Sharingon is to Sasuke to take it from him makes little since to make an actual prodiction on a real firght with them.

6. We know using the MS causes a huge chakara toll on the body and a strain over all, so if Sasuke is having more shaved off of him at a good rate then this would change his ability to maintain it for long to launch an attack. This would depend on if his defence in Sadu is effected by the chakara drain or not.

7. I was just stating that all of this assumes Sasukes powerlevel at the end of his fight with Danzo since we can not be sure what it will be like when Madra gets through with Sasuke.

Samehada eats chakra Susanoo is made up of chakra. I don't want to hear some bullshit about a magic mirrior because that doesn't matter. Samehada would simply eat Susanoo there is no reflecting chakra absorption.

I belive that due to the Water jutsu being nulified due to sharingon. That Saske would win.

However if the chakara sword adds a lot of strain on the eye fish sticks could win and he knows all about the tricks after following Itachi around.

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/11/5/633614964962073012-WTF.jpg

when madara is done sasuke will have ems possibly t/s jutsus like madara does and kno more about the mangekyo than itachi did which would give him the advantage agianst kisame and i dont think kisame saw itachi use sosanoo at all

Normally I agree I think the ultimate stuff is stupid, however the auther tends to love to give those stuff to Itachi and Sasuke. Case in point that uber gay sword Itach used on Sasuke that sucked out the cursed seal/ochimaru in one tap.

Like everything in the Ninja world I think that Samehdada has a weakness we are just not sure what it is yet. I imagine it is some element or the Samehdada becomes if nothing can stop it then Samehdada is just as gay as if the Susasoo can block everything.

i agree with that

1. I think he was beating Kirabi with water Jutsu just fine and I think the only reason it looked like he could lose was to finnish the other plan. Even if Kirabi would win it would be close.
Your thoughts are so off base it isn't even funny. Did you even read the fight between Kirabi & Kisame? If not for Samehada Kisame would have died here (http://manga.animea.net/naruto-chapter-471-page-13.html). The only reason Kisame was able to fight with Kirabi was because he was draining his chakra with Samehada. Without the actual sword Kisame wouldn't have stood a chance in hell.

2. Ninja often don't know what the other ninja is has so not knowing his power is not an excuse for how badly Sasuke got beaten in the first fight with Kirabi.
Sasuke turned Kirabi into crispy cream with Amaterasu. Like I said Sasuke was not yet familiar with his abilities. Had Sasuke simply used Amaterasu or blocked attacks with Susanoo he would have easily beat Kirabi however he hadn't yet awakened/mastered his abilities with the MS.

3. I stated that he has gotten a ton stronger since that point exponentially stronger infact which is the reason I am picking him now.
Read my post Sasuke's abilities don't mean shit in the face of one of the ultimate haxes(Samehada) in this manga.

4. In one of the very first fights of the series Kakshi showed how someone with a sharingon can basically copy and nulify all your jutsu which is why I said that.
News flash you have to be proficient in the use of that element in order to use it let alone mimic someone else jutsu. Sharingan does not grant the user access to all 5 elements. Sasuke uses Raiton & Katon elements not the suiton element. Kakashi is actually very proficient in suuton jutsu as shown when he created a wall of water in a place where there was no water. Meaning Sasuke can't copy Kisames jutsu.

5. I assumed Kisame does have the sword because it is as much a part of his character as the Sharingon is to Sasuke to take it from him makes little since to make an actual prodiction on a real firght with them.
Kisame with Samehada is one of the most haxed characters in the manga. Without it he's actually beatable by a number of different ninja. Kisame also no longer has Samehada which is why I asked with or without.

6. We know using the MS causes a huge chakara toll on the body and a strain over all, so if Sasuke is having more shaved off of him at a good rate then this would change his ability to maintain it for long to launch an attack. This would depend on if his defence in Sadu is effected by the chakara drain or not.
Susanoo is a barrier created by chakra. Samehada is a sword that eats chakra. This is actually very simple Samehada would simply eat away at Susanoo in the same manor that it ate away at Kirabi's chakra.

7. I was just stating that all of this assumes Sasukes powerlevel at the end of his fight with Danzo since we can not be sure what it will be like when Madra gets through with Sasuke.
I'm basing this off of what has actually been shown from both in question. Based on what we know & assuming Sasuke isn't blind Kisame would still rock his shit if he's allowed to use Samehada.

Susanoo is a barrier created by chakra. Samehada is a sword that eats chakra. This is actually very simple Samehada would simply eat away at Susanoo in the same manor that it ate away at Kirabi's chakra.

Plausible when you put it like that but still... o.O

I thought Samehada could only absorb raw chakra. Susano'o is an ethereal being. Would it still be absorbed by Samehada? And yes, I know it's made of chakra, but it isn't raw chakra, Veng.

Susanoo is a barrier created by chakra. How is Susanoo itself not raw chakra based on this? As for "raw chakra" Samehada absorbed raiton based chakra conjunction which isn't "raw chakra" since its been turned into the lightning element.

PS: Don't follow KYs bogus theories. Susanoo is not some type of summon. Its a barrier created by the users chakra. This barrier has stages depending on how much chakra is put into it as shown by the different stages of Susanoo. You know first the bones form, then flesh, then armor.

Susanoo is a barrier created by chakra. How is Susanoo itself not raw chakra based on this? As for "raw chakra" Samehada absorbed raiton based chakra conjunction which isn't "raw chakra" since its been turned into the lightning element.

PS: Don't follow KYs bogus theories. Susanoo is not some type of summon. Its a barrier created by the users chakra. This barrier has stages depending on how much chakra is put into it as shown by the different stages of Susanoo. You know first the bones form, then flesh, then armor.

So that also takes all elemental ninjutsu out of the picture...

I know what you are talking about there but if he is going into the fight without the sword it is a much different fight and he is probably flooding the area sooner since he would not rush in seeing as most of his fighting skill stems off him being a swordsmen for a while. So you can not use the same fight events when he had the sword and just say without it he dies cause I think without the sword Kisame tries and keeps the fight mid to long range and would make the fight still even.

Sasuke attempted to fry him but in the end still was not enough to really worry Kirami. Yes now he has mastered it which is why I think he can be near or on level with either of them.

Actually the only restriction we have seen on the sharingon is bloodline related and chakara shape manipulation maybe not elemental.

The reason I am still hold out on this is on the gayness of both how Susanoo and Samehada are presented as unstoppable, therefore something has to give and given how the auther leans heavy on Sasukes side I think Susanoo would stop it. As gay as I admit that is.

On another point we have also made the assumption that Kisume would not just be trapped by Genjutsu and distroyed that way, he may have a good counter for it but as of jet there is no good reason to believe that the Sharigon's genjustu would not be the end of the match.

So that also takes all elemental ninjutsu out of the picture...
Actually no it doesn't. Suiton(water) & Doton(Earth) have a sort of physical form. So theoretically speaking if someone were to throw massive amounts of earth at Samehada only the chakra would be absorbed. Meaning the form in which the earth took would fall apart. But the earth itself would still be traveling at the same momentum & still hit though most likely not as hard. Same with the water, the form of the jutsu (let's say water dragon) would fall apart but the water itself would still hit just won't be as damaging. Things like Fire, Lightning, & Wind don't really have a physical form so they'll simply be absorbed completely. Hope that makes sense.

I know what you are talking about there but if he is going into the fight without the sword it is a much different fight and he is probably flooding the area sooner since he would not rush in seeing as most of his fighting skill stems off him being a swordsmen for a while.
In the giant water prison Kisame won by absorbing Kisames chakra. Kisame was also able to sense Kirabi after Kirabi used the ink spray because of Samehada. Fight would be different however Kirabi would clearly win. Kisame only won that fight because of Samehada this is a simple fact.

So you can not use the same fight events when he had the sword and just say without it he dies cause I think without the sword Kisame tries and keeps the fight mid to long range and would make the fight still even.
Actually I can. When in the water prison Kirabi was able to grab Kisame. Now if not for Samehada Kirabi would have then killed Kisame while underwater. Same rules apply. Even if Kisame tries to keep it at mid-long range Kirabi would simply rush forward & seeing as Kisame clearly can't handle Kirabi's speed while Kirabi can clearly take allot of physical punishment because of his Bijuu the edge clearly would go to Kirabi.

Sasuke attempted to fry him but in the end still was not enough to really worry Kirami. Yes now he has mastered it which is why I think he can be near or on level with either of them.
LMAO Kirabi ran from the fight. It depends on if ether have the sword. With Samehada both Kisame & Kirabi would kill Sasuke. Without Samehada Sasuke would kill both Kisame & Kirabi. This is what I'm actually saying.

Actually the only restriction we have seen on the sharingon is bloodline related and chakara shape manipulation maybe not elemental.
Why couldn't Kakashi show Naruto a fuuton jutsu then? Why has Kakashi never used Katon in the manga? Answer is because he can't use ether of those elements.

The reason I am still hold out on this is on the gayness of both how Susanoo and Samehada are presented as unstoppable,
Susanoo isn't unstoppable as shown by Danzou when he blasted a big arse hole in it. Also shown when Mei broke it down using her acid breath.

therefore something has to give and given how the auther leans heavy on Sasukes side I think Susanoo would stop it. As gay as I admit that is.
That's just stupid based on the actual facts. We're talking hypothetical fights. Sasuke is never going to fight Kisame since Kisame will most likely die soon.

On another point we have also made the assumption that Kisume would not just be trapped by Genjutsu and distroyed that way, he may have a good counter for it but as of jet there is no good reason to believe that the Sharigon's genjustu would not be the end of the match.
Yes there are very good reasons why Kisame would be able to stop sharingan genjutsu.

1. Samehada is a physical being that contains chakra. The chakra between Samehada & Kisame are also interchangeable. Meaning they give each other chakra. Based on the Kirabi fight Kisame should be able to do the same thing.

2. Kisame was paired with Itachi & knew all about his abilities.

You can not state the unknown as simple fact, no matter your beliefe on the outcome it is still opinion not fact.

You saw Killer Bee as running to get away from being distroyed, however our views on this event variey greatly I think he was just using it as an opprotunity to play opossium to get out of the kingdom for a while. And not from fear of his inpending doom.

Your point on chakara swaping is a probable excape plan and I think you maybe right that it could have a chance to break it. The other point of working with Itachi is only somewhat usable because it will help but not prevent. Kakashi Knew all about Sharingons but he could still be caught by their genjutsu.

I think Sasuke has enough ability to keep him at a distance to try and stop the sword if it were to work, but I do not think it would suck it up fast enough and even if he did come in to do that I believe he might get caught by the eternal fire which again we get into the issue of if the sword can suck up the fire. I again lean towards no.

(On the point about elemental use with sharingon I want to research that for my self before so not just using memory or defencive mode. Cause I have no shame and admiting I am wrong once I see it.)

I've come to the realization that you really don't know what you're talking about. Kisame obviously beat Kirabi by stealing his chakra even while in the water prison. Meaning Samehada is obviously the only reason why he won that fight when you consider the fact that he got his fucking chest blown apart, couldn't keep up with Kirabi's speed, got caught by Kirabi underwater by multiple tentacles, was able to sense Kirabi in the ink because of Samehada, & finished Kirabi off by draining his chakra.

I already explained why Sasuke would loss. No point in repeating myself.

Have a nice day sir re-read the manga & comeback when you can debate rationally.

I think sasuke will lose.

Amaterasu (bee evaded it already and with his speed wont be a problem)

Tsukuyomi (do i need to go there)

susanoo (arrows are fast but bee is also fast especially in v2)

Chidori (bee got lightening too.)

I have reread and my opinion stands that he would win or if he lost without the sword it would be close. Another reason I feel this way because I think you miss judge Kisame's main objective. I believe every move in that fight was built up both so Killer Bee would feel victorius and to trust the sword. It is clear now that he never intended to defeat him there and that cannot be underestimated because intent also changes tactics.

Who the fuck is that in your sig Veng?

Who the fuck is that in your sig Veng?
its some asian chick.. i think he found it on gifbin.com.

Some random hot asian chick that I found while searching for GIF images. I thought it was cute & since its not to big I decided to put it as my sig.

I didn't find it on gifbin.com

PS: There are also ones like this touchy feeli chick
http://i29.tinypic.com/ejvrba.gif

Others like this which I use for you fail
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm71/tunaman3000/Hot%20Asian%20Girls/hmh.gif

& My personal favorite the Pew Pew Pew girl which I use when someone got shot down
http://www.geekologie.com/2009/06/11/pew%20pew.gif

Kisame plus Samehada would win against Sasuke in a lot of scenarios, but I think Sasuke could also win against Kisame, it would be a hard fight for each of them. Here is a scenario where Sasuke wins, but to win he would have to gamble and use his head. With Kisame's fighting style, Sasuke would use Susano early in the fight to block the tidal waves and water projectiles that Kisame shoots. Then Kisame would fuse with Samehada and create a giant water prison to drain Sasuke's chakra. With Susanoo under water, Kisame would charge into Susanoo and Susanoo defense would crack because Kisame is draining Sasuke's chakra. Sasuke would realize that he is loosing chakra and Susano is getting weaker so he has to escape the water prison and he doesn't stand a chance if he tries to swim out of it. Sasuke would then summon his last bits of strength to fire the Susano arrow upwards. Sasuke tied the rope between himself and Susanoo arrow so he got fired upwards and escaped the water prison. Kisame would then look up and compliment Sasuke. Sasuke now knows that he must not fight Kisame close so he summons a hawk in mid air so he doesn't land back in water. Kisame would shoot water projectiles, but Sasuke would evade on his hawk. Now Sasuke has a chance to win because he is not loosing chakra and is keeping the distance between himself and Kisame. The fight could go either way, but Sasuke could win by jumping at Kisame from some height and summoning amateratsu and Susano in mid air and then slashing at Kisame with the Susano blade covered with amateratsu. Samehada can't absorb all that. It's a bit of a long shot though.

WTF?? Sasuke would shit stomp kisame!!!!

Kisame a suiton user and sasukes a raiton meaning sasuke would fry kisame the moment he tried a suiton LMAO.

Amaterasu would fry ksiame, tsukuyomi would paralyses him fro a killing blow and while sasanoo is chakra and could possibly have its defenses absorbed, kisame would have to be close enough to do so and thus, get flattened by a sasanoo high speed punch and have samehada taken away.

WTF?? Sasuke would shit stomp kisame!!!!


Dude, we already had this argument a little over a year ago.
http://forums.narutocentral.com/showthread.php?p=1695978#post1695978


I'm not looking for trouble, but I'm going to side with Vengence on this one. Without even taking into account his relationship with Madara or Itachi, which might give him an even better sense of how to fight the sharingan, Kisame, just as well, if not better than any other character can avoid looking into the sharingan. He could simply make an ocean and fight on the other side. He can also defend against amaterasu...by making an ocean. Because there is no reason to believe that amaterasu has a comparable range to the gigantic bodies of water that Kisame can make. And we all know that Sasuke is too much of a stuck-up, egotistical bitch to use amaterasu off the bat. So the argument about "Well what if Sasuke uses amaterasu before Kisame makes water..." does not exist.

As far as the Sasuke electrical advantage. I'll explain that with an analogy. If you were at one side of a lake and somebody droped a 12V taser into the water on the opposite side...nothing would happen to you. Now as Vengence said multiple times, in nicer words, if you run a supercharged current through your arm, or any part of your body while in the water you'd probably end up frying your balls off. And last time I checked restoring lost testicles wasn't an MS ability.

Dude, we already had this argument a little over a year ago.
http://forums.narutocentral.com/showthread.php?p=1695978#post1695978

1. Ur assuming kisame knows how to fight the SG when he clearly only knew about the effects of tsukuyomi so thats all.

2. An ocean wont protect kisame from Kirin which would fry kisame and the entire ocean. Nor would it protect against amaterasu when sasuke can set the entire ocean a blaze in black flames forcing kisame to stay submerged while Kirin is summoned to fry his ass.

3. Sasuke can sit in sasanoo and rape kisame. And if kisame comes close enough to try and absorb some of sasanoo then hes in range for tsukuyomi, amaterasu, chidori lance or a god like speed shushin chidori katana attack since kisame has shown he and samehada can be overcome by sheer high speed like gai did..

Kisame would put up a good fight, but he cannot beat sasuke lol.

Kisame doesn't have any counter for Tsukiyomi which in itself heavily tips the scales in Sasuke's favour. He can just spam it alone to take Kisame out since the negative repercussions of MS usage are negated by the EMS...

Kisame creates Ocean bubble, Sasuke goes up sets the surface all around the bubble on fire with amaterasu (he has show to be able to control it to that degree). He then leaves the bubble by keeping Kisame busy with susano while walking out.

Outside he has kisame trapped in the water bubble with amaterasu, creating storm clouds with the vapor of the water going up.

next step kirin, kisame looses.

Kisame is thus able to make sasuke's hair wet... and probably is vagina too...

this is just too easy for sasuke.

1. Ur assuming kisame knows how to fight the SG when he clearly only knew about the effects of tsukuyomi so thats all.

His partner was ITACHI. ITACHI. Do you honestly believe he picked up NOTHING from that? He has at the very least a minimal understanding of the SG

2. An ocean wont protect kisame from Kirin which would fry kisame and the entire ocean. Nor would it protect against amaterasu when sasuke can set the entire ocean a blaze in black flames forcing kisame to stay submerged while Kirin is summoned to fry his ass.
This was already answered. If Kisame is inside an entire OCEAN, it will radically reduce the damage that Kirin inflicts. If Sasuke also happens to be inside that ocean, or even just standing on it for that matter...then guess what--> he'll get hit too.

3. Sasuke can sit in sasanoo and rape kisame. And if kisame comes close enough to try and absorb some of sasanoo then hes in range for tsukuyomi, amaterasu, chidori lance or a god like speed shushin chidori katana attack since kisame has shown he and samehada can be overcome by sheer high speed like gai did..
Once again--> Kisame can EASILY put so much distance between himself and Sasuke, that Susano's range or any other offensive advantage that it gives would be nullified. (This is also the case with amaterasu and Tsukuyami. He won't have to make eye contact at all with the Uchiha if he is fighting him from the other end of a lake) Susanoo could still be used for defense, but that chakra price would be too high and Kisame can definitely keep casting water for longer than Sasuke can cast his most powerful MS jutsu.

Kisame would put up a good fight, but he cannot beat sasuke lol. Saying that he cannot beat Sasuke is ignorant. However, I will agree that starting conditions mean everything in this fight. If Kisame manages to Lakify (like that verb? I just made it) aka turn the battlefield to water before Sasuke gets in a mortal blow, I think that the fight is as good as his.

Kisame's water hax are just that. HAX. I used it for every single counter. But you know what? That's what he's going to use in a fight. It is repetitive and even boring after a while- but it is his arsenal. He is an extremely specialized fighter. So is our beloved Minato. While few people can overcome Minato's raw speed + FTG, the same goes for Kisame's overkill of water. Although to be honest, I bet the Little Mermaid might be able to kill Kisame by seducing him and then getting close enough to shank him.

Raikage Vs Guy


Go.

raikage vs guy

manga feats:
match goes to guy, raikage decapped a kisame-zetsu clone with tha help of his brah, while guy made kisame commit suicide by biting his tongue. guy did more than raikage and he still got both his hands.

skill-wise:
hard to say, i'm betting my cookies for a guy win. guy 6-4 raikage.

Rai in armour will be very defficult to hit. So am guessing Gai goes 7 gates from the beginning and does a noon tiger. That shockwave should be enough to do some damage to rai.(Rai is fast in armour but noon tiger covers a wide range so body flicking wont do him any good)

Rai tecks are mainly taijutsu and I dont think he can get any hit on any Gai cos of his speed and mastery of taijutsu.

The way I see it, Rai loses to noon tiger. 6-4

I wanna see Ichiraku fight anyone - he will whoop their asses.

And who is Ichiraku?

And who is Ichiraku?

the ramen guy

I wanna see Ichiraku fight anyone - he will whoop their asses.

yeah simple, he just whips up ramen noodles into the air with enough spices n the enemy will be like stomach(grrrrrr) men am hungry, have to eat plaese fix me some. The battle is over.

Exactly .

No, he stabs them with his sharpened chopsticks.

lol........................

Rai in armour will be very defficult to hit. So am guessing Gai goes 7 gates from the beginning and does a noon tiger. That shockwave should be enough to do some damage to rai.(Rai is fast in armour but noon tiger covers a wide range so body flicking wont do him any good)

Rai tecks are mainly taijutsu and I dont think he can get any hit on any Gai cos of his speed and mastery of taijutsu.

The way I see it, Rai loses to noon tiger. 6-4

Raikage and his raiton armor might make it dificult for guy to hit him but with non tiger he won't have to get close.. it would put him down and he'd bitch slap him like he did kisame... Bitch I said don't move..lol

Maito Gai for the win

There is just one thing I want to know - how many Peins could Gai kill? Lets say he starts at 6 gates immediately.

There is just one thing I want to know - how many Peins could Gai kill? Lets say he starts at 6 gates immediately.

all of them

all of them

I say he could beat 5 of them (without the gravity Pein).

Human realm (the one that takes souls on touch) - Gai is too fast for him so he K.O. s him
Hungry ghost (the one that absorbs ninjutsu) - Gai doesn't use chakra for his attacks.
Animal realm (the one that summons big animals) - if Gai is smart not to waste his attacks on summons and go straight for the summoner than he could K.O. him.
Hell realm (the one that revives Peins) - he doesn't have much offensive power, only taijutsu so Gai wins.
That robot Pein - Gai can evade his rockets or he counters them with his flaming fists range attack, so he can take him out.

Woah! Raikage 4 Gai 6? Excuse me, but it takes Gai possibly part of his lifespan and all of his chakra drained in 10min, just to get close to a certain level that is second-nature to the Raikage. Get what I'm saying?

The Raikage doesn't even need Gates. His body's already at Gate-level without the Gates. He can add the speed to it by forming a Raiton armor. Gai's green toast.

What?

Gai vs Raikage? Thats Raikage 7-3

Gai would have to get to like 6-7 gates to match Raikages Lightning Armor speed. We haven't seen many of Raikages jutsus yet, just wrestling moves infused electricity. If Gai could somehow get past Raikages armor and still injure him, he could win. Any other version of the fight Raikage wins.

Raikage vs Gai?

Raikages base speed without raiton armour=Gai about 1-3 gates IMO.

Raikage in basic raiton armour form=Gai about 4-7 gates.

However, rai has supermode which makes him able to move instantly like a T/S jutsu of minatos as perceived by the eyes of even a SG user.

Granted we dont know what 8 gates offers, but as of now supermode rai would overwhelm even Gai in 7th gate release. Especially since noon tiger doesnt actually use fuuton element otherwise Gai would win for sure, but just uses air pressure like Nejis vacuum palm.

Raikage 8-2 Gai with 7 gates dont know what 8 offers. Possibly stalemate or draw by both dying.

However, rai has supermode which makes him able to move instantly like a T/S jutsu of minatos as perceived by the eyes of even a SG user.

Where is this insinuated?

Where is this insinuated?

He meant that he's able to avoid Amaterasu, which immediately means; "Amaterasu = S/T". heh

Rai is fast, not instant.

Where is this insinuated?

He meant that he's able to avoid Amaterasu, which immediately means; "Amaterasu = S/T". heh

Rai is fast, not instant.

Guys Ive posted this like 2 million freaking time now, come on!!!


Read karins statementhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-463/page014.html

And Im not saying raikage in supermode is moving at the speed of light, but its so fast it seems instant by the naked eye just as minatos FTG is, but the FTG is obviously faster.

Guys Ive posted this like 2 million freaking time now, come on!!!


Read karins statementhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-463/page014.html

And Im not saying raikage in supermode is moving at the speed of light, but its so fast it seems instant by the naked eye just as minatos FTG is, but the FTG is obviously faster.

interesting!!

First in light of the new chapter I will for sure admit I was wrong and even after a loss say Kisame would beat Sasuke!

I think Guy would beat Raikage. I mean Guy did not even take off his weights in the last fight I do not believe that guy is that much slower then him. In fact other then maybe Naruto now I don't believe there is a ninja faster then Guy in gates mode. Also to Karin's point eyes cannot track him, but Guy has shown that he does not just rely on sight to know where his enemy is comming from so I do not think he would sneak up on him like he did a stationary Sasuke.

First in light of the new chapter I will for sure admit I was wrong and even after a loss say Kisame would beat Sasuke!


In light of new chapter? Kisame fires giant water shark jutsu, big woop. Sasuke has the ultimate defense and an arrow he can use long distance thats so fast kisame should even be able to defend against it. I mean really, all of kisame ninjutsu and taijutsu are null against sasuke in sasanoo while sasuke can freely counter kisame.

Not to mention ur seriouly underestimating sasuke taijutsu skills coupled with his genjutsu bushins for combos like he did with danzou and deidara. And the one thing we know and gai has proven is that super speed can bypass samehada and hit kisame directly so sasuke using a genjutsu bushins for misdirection then shushining in and cutting kisame to pieces with his chidori gatana is most likely what would happen IMO since after one chakra jutsu is absorbed, sasuke will change his tactics and form a new strategy to overcome kisame raw power while drawing kisame in to absorb sasanoo as best as he can putting him in range for a genjutsu/taijutsu combo just as itachi used to use.

and anyways, beyond strategy. I mean come on, with sasanoo, kisame cant do shit with all his power while sasuke can spam amaterasu and tsukuyomi to fight at a distance beyond kisame samehada.

Sasuke 8-2 kisame all the way.

I think Guy would beat Raikage. I mean Guy did not even take off his weights in the last fight I do not believe that guy is that much slower then him. In fact other then maybe Naruto now I don't believe there is a ninja faster then Guy in gates mode. Also to Karin's point eyes cannot track him, but Guy has shown that he does not just rely on sight to know where his enemy is comming from so I do not think he would sneak up on him like he did a stationary Sasuke.

Gai doesnt wear weights and the raikage is much faster then gai in supermode while also being able to sustain that level of performance as long as he needs to with bijuu level chakra/stamina while gai has a couple minutes to hit rai with fire and air pressure. All by which can be nullified and dampened against rais armour if rai doenst super shushin right out of the way instead.

Now what 8gates midnight dragon could do is possibly annihilate even the raikage at his strength, speed and power level because its should be huge.

He doesn't have genjutsu bunshins.

raikage taijutsu - wrestling power moves
gai taijutsu - bruce lee martial arts

if you think raikage floors gai with his taijutsu
you are a dimwit.

ayy sensei what is your 2nd animation from?

In light of new chapter? Kisame fires giant water shark jutsu, big woop. Sasuke has the ultimate defense and an arrow he can use long distance thats so fast kisame should even be able to defend against it. I mean really, all of kisame ninjutsu and taijutsu are null against sasuke in sasanoo while sasuke can freely counter kisame.

Not to mention ur seriouly underestimating sasuke taijutsu skills coupled with his genjutsu bushins for combos like he did with danzou and deidara. And the one thing we know and gai has proven is that super speed can bypass samehada and hit kisame directly so sasuke using a genjutsu bushins for misdirection then shushining in and cutting kisame to pieces with his chidori gatana is most likely what would happen IMO since after one chakra jutsu is absorbed, sasuke will change his tactics and form a new strategy to overcome kisame raw power while drawing kisame in to absorb sasanoo as best as he can putting him in range for a genjutsu/taijutsu combo just as itachi used to use.

and anyways, beyond strategy. I mean come on, with sasanoo, kisame cant do shit with all his power while sasuke can spam amaterasu and tsukuyomi to fight at a distance beyond kisame samehada.

Sasuke 8-2 kisame all the way.



Gai doesnt wear weights and the raikage is much faster then gai in supermode while also being able to sustain that level of performance as long as he needs to with bijuu level chakra/stamina while gai has a couple minutes to hit rai with fire and air pressure. All by which can be nullified and dampened against rais armour if rai doenst super shushin right out of the way instead.

Now what 8gates midnight dragon could do is possibly annihilate even the raikage at his strength, speed and power level because its should be huge.

I thought susanoo has a weakness beneath the rear part as shown in the danzo fight.

1. Sasuke's Susano'o is not unbeatable!
2. You can't compare speed in manga unless the two fighters that are being compared actually fight!
3. In my opinion Raikage gets his ass wooped by an 8th gate Gui. (But sadly Gui dies from this too)

I'm sure Elbow vs Noon Tiger.

Noon Tiger would come out on top. Since it's precise and concentrated punch.

He doesn't have genjutsu bunshins.

Sigh!!!

Read the manga. Genjutsu bushinhttp://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-360/08/

Confirmed genjutsu bushinhttp://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-360/15/

And so was the sasuke to itachi crow bushin,http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-477/16/
to
http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-477/17/

Sasuke used his genjutsu crow bushin to ambush danzou from behind as seen herehttp://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-478/02/

So YES, sasuke has genjutsu bushins!!!!!

New fight: Jman vs Kisame where he just fought gai.

That was the actual genjutsu itself. A genjutsu clone puts you in a genjutsu when you destroy it.

That was the actual genjutsu itself. A genjutsu clone puts you in a genjutsu when you destroy it.

WTF, no!! Ur thinking of itachis crow bushin that kciked narutos ass. It was a crow bushin who cast genjutsu on naruto, not the other way around.

But by sasuke using genjutsu to make the enemy attack or defend against against a fake version fo himself. He is using the bushin tactic so calling them genjutsu bushins fits well.

genjutsu bunshin are bunshins that place you in a genjutsu when they disperse and are called Karasu bunshins.

genjutsu bunshin are bunshins that place you in a genjutsu when they disperse and are called Karasu bunshins.

NO!!!!! What did I just say!!!

Karasu/crow bushins are bushins made of crows used as mediums to create a KB level bushin without so much chakra needed.http://www.urakai.com/ndb3/242.png

Keep up!!

Genjutsu versions of oneself used for misdirection should be known as a genjutsu bushin....

Karasu/crow bushins are bushins made of crows used as mediums to create a KB level bushin without so much chakra needed.http://www.urakai.com/ndb3/242.png

Genjutsu versions of oneself used for misdirection should be known as a genjutsu bushin.

They aren't genjutsu bunshins. Genjutsu controls perception correct? He made Deidara see a dying Sasuke while in reality he was behind him.

They aren't genjutsu bunshins. Genjutsu controls perception correct? He made Deidara see a dying Sasuke while in reality he was behind him.

U really dont understand the concept of a clone do ya boy:confused:

Clone jutsu is just a incorporeal image of the original used to trick the enemy.

However, Kage bushins use kage as a medium and create a solid bushin. The same with all other bushins except the original D Ranked I described.

So, sasuke using a genjutsu to create an incorporeal image for misdirection through perception just as its done in reality is no different. Same concept, both use chakra, thus genjutsu bushin.

Deidara was already caught in the genjutsu when he saw him running away from the forest. That was the start of the genjutsu. Now in reality, Deidara hid in his clay bird and Sasuke was sneaking up on a Deidara clone. Sasuke didn't make a clone, he just made the illusion he was dying. How is this hard to comprehend?

LMAO, u just dont get it. Ur either this dumb or a bad troll because this is alittle too much for even u now:cool:

Regular bushin is just a shinobi using an IMAGE of themselves for misdirection.

Clone Technique (分身の術, Bunshin no Jutsu)
Ninjutsu, E-rank, Supplementary
Users: Uzumaki Naruto, Haruno Sakura, et al

Creating one's own after-image and confusing the enemy!!

A ninjutsu that creates an after-image of one's own body, without any substance. Since the clone itself doesn't have the ability to attack, and thus can only be used to confuse the enemy, it is mainly used in combination with other ninjutsu. It's a basic technique, but depending on one's ingenuity, it can be used effectively.

[picture of Sakura and two of her clones attacking Ino]
↑As Ino said, the "Clone Technique" is a ninjutsu that every ninja can use.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

◆Shinobi◆An elementary technique, even used as the Academy graduation exam

This technique, used in the graduation exam, is one of the ninjutsu Naruto is poor at. Because of it, he has failed the exam three times...



Sasuke does the same thing, but with an illusion of himself not just an image of chakra. The clone cant attack, only confuse the enemy like the original!!!

A genjutsu clone is a clone that puts you in a genjutsu. Show me the databook and I'll agree you're right.

A genjutsu clone is a clone that puts you in a genjutsu. Show me the databook and I'll agree you're right.

What do u mean "show u the DB" I just did.

Regular clones are just images used for misdirection and have no form just as sasukes doesnt. The only difference is sasukes clones come from genjutsu, thus why its called a genjutsu clone.

Suiton clones are made by adding chakra to water to make a clone.

Doton clones are made by giving chakra to earth to make a clone.

and the same with karasu and kage. Each are used as mediums to form clones just as genjutsu is the medium used to form a clone of sasuke. Get the picture!!! That shitz in the DB!!!

Mediums!! Sasuke=genjutsu=clone sasuke
naruto=kage=kage clone
gaara=sand=sand clone.

Are u getting this or is this too much??

Konoha One Hundred Leafs Collection ~ Number Five

| The Different Varieties of Clones |

The Clone Technique is the most basic of basic ninjutsu. It's easy to use, even for genin. However, on the other hand, it's very interesting since the villages established their own characteristic clone methods and there exist techniques of extraordinarily high difficult. It also has many different uses.

[picture of a stylised Naruto]
Clone Technique
Clones that hold chakra are indistinguishable from the real body.

[picture of Zabuza's Water Clone]
The Water Clone Technique uses water as a medium.

Bunshinjutsu that create clones using chakra
●Clone Technique (分身の術, Bunshin no Jutsu)
●Shadow Clone Technique (影分身の術, Kage Bunshin no Jutsu)
●Multiple Shadow Clones Technique (多重影分身の術, Tajuu Kage Bunshin no Jutsu)
●Haze Clone Technique (朧分身の術, Oboro Bunshin no Jutsu)

Bunshinjutsu using other methods
Clones using genjutsu
●Mist Follower Technique (霞従者の術, Kasumi Juusha no Jutsu)
Clones that are people or animals imitating oneself.
●Beast Human Clone (獣人分身, Juujin Bunshin)
Clones using chakra + a medium
●Water Clone Technique (水分身の術, Mizu Bunshin no Jutsu)

If u argue beyond this then ur just slow or horribly trolling.

KYF.

Genjutsu = False Image of reality

Genjutsu manipulates ALL five senses of the target, thus throwing them into a state of a false reality kid.

What the fuck is a genjutsu clone? You always make shit up KYF. Seriously. Chill with that shit.

I said show me the Databook for Karasu bunshin KYF.

KYF.

Genjutsu = False Image of reality

Genjutsu manipulates ALL five senses of the target, thus throwing them into a state of a false reality kid.

What the fuck is a genjutsu clone? You always make shit up KYF. Seriously. Chill with that shit.

Ur just slow!!!

What do u think a E ranked basic clone is?? Its a false image as well. It holds no substance like a genjutsu and even uses a medium like other clone jutsu. Genjutsu being the medium for the clone itself, thus a genjutsu clone. Read the DB and suck it noob.

I said show me the Databook for Karasu bunshin KYF.

I already did, u skipped it. Here it is one more timehttp://www.urakai.com/ndb3/242.png

I think the average clone is actually a Genjutsu guys.

A weak one, but a Genjutsu to say the least.

Sasuke's clone doesn't use crows as a medium.

Sasuke's clone doesn't use crows as a medium.

The genjutsu is the medium.

Sasuke=genjutsu=genjutsu bushin just as,

naruto=kage=kage bushin

gaara=sand=sand bushin.

And again, the karasu bushin isnt a genjutsu bushin, but a crow bushin. It can cast a genjutsu just like a Kage bushin could because it can use the originals jutsu, but it isnt made of genjutsu as the medium.

The genjutsu is the medium.

Sasuke=genjutsu=genjutsu bushin just as,

naruto=kage=kage bushin

gaara=sand=sand bushin.

Don't pass your theories as fact. Also how the fuck is genjutsu a medium? Genjutsu is an illusion. Once the genjutsu happens, everything in there is an illusion until they dispel or break it. ANYTHING can happen in a genjutsu.

ninja you a kyf have the same "I don't give negative rep so if you get some with my name on it, I'm not responsible."

TWINS

I know because somebody was saying I neg repped them and I'm just putting this up for the next person who gets a neg rep with my name on it.

so there is a notorious neg repper going around and neg repping ppl and putting other members name on it. He sounds awesome

How about Shodaime vs EMS Sasuke?? How differently do you guys think this will pan out from the fight against Madara?

Madara was a fighter. A shinobi who led his clan. Had many battles and regarded as invincible and had kyuubi under his control. If shodai was able to kick the but of someone like that, I dont think sasuke will stand a chance.(eventhough we do not know his EMS powers yet.)

Shodai wins 8:2

How about Shodaime vs EMS Sasuke?? How differently do you guys think this will pan out from the fight against Madara?

He wouldn't stand a chance. Even the name's gonna scare him off

konan vs madara. shit I better go to the pred thread

konan vs madara. shit I better go to the pred thread

Konan ftw!

I predict Madara gets trolled... nothing new about it.

How about Shodaime vs EMS Sasuke?? How differently do you guys think this will pan out from the fight against Madara?

Well to start off we dont know what is an EMS sasuke, so anything we say is pure guess. And the 1st is overrated. i am sure there are alot of characters that would destroy him now. he didnt look impressive against the third.
Old man gramps beat him and his kid bro. Yes in his time he was the undisputed heavy weight but as generations pass they surpass the previous. current MS sasuke would obliterate the 1st if he fought the same way against the 3rd

konan vs madara. shit I better go to the pred thread

This is gonna be the biggest let down. Kish size up madara to be this super villain who noone can touch but the only thing we have seen from him thus far is that space time crap. even the flashback when he slug it out with the 4th that was all he did, so to consider him a legendary ninja is just based on pure hype cause he hasnt shown otherwise

shodai vs sasuke

shodai wins 10-0. no contest. sasuke will cry moar.


konan vs madara.

As much as madara fails, and as much as i want konan to win, she has to lose.. those akatsuki cloak, and show off some skin.. i say, madara raeps her and all naruto readers will enjoy every panel of it!!! madara 10 - 0 konan.. konan gets raepd.

konan vs madara.

she has to lose.. those akatsuki cloak, and show off some skin.. i say, madara raeps her and all naruto readers will enjoy every panel of it!!! madara 10 - 0 konan.. konan gets raepd.

you pervert!!

konan vs madara.

As much as madara fails, and as much as i want konan to win, she has to lose.. those akatsuki cloak, and show off some skin.. i say, madara raeps her and all naruto readers will enjoy every panel of it!!! madara 10 - 0 konan.. konan gets raepd.

What do u wanna see that u have not seen yet. kono sukebe, ero gaki, you perv.

New fight bitches

GAI vs RAIKAGE

Lets do this shit

This shit again?

Guy wins, hands down.

Well ever character have been discussed about 3 times already we are out of characters, so atleast say why gai wins hands down.

I dont understand something, if raikage uses his full body raiton and is too fast to be seen by sasuke sharingan, and lets say gai with gates is raikage speed. How can both of them even see each other

probably because guy vs raikage has been discussed just last week dude

Shizune vs Sakura...

As much as I'd like to join the ride and call poolangya a perv, I know everyone's waiting for that scenario. Don't be a fuckface. Admit it, you closet pervs!

















































































jk raep is disgusting

As much as I'd like to join the ride and call poolangya a perv, I know everyone's waiting for that scenario. Don't be a fuckface. Admit it, you closet pervs!




jk raep is disgusting



I dont think a plant body porking a paper one against its will can be classified as rape, but just disturbing.

Deva Vs Gai!!!!! in Konaha cater, Go!

Pain. Now you'll come up with some "Gai will kill Deva in one blow" argument. I'm expecting it.

I dont think a plant body porking a paper one against its will can be classified as rape, but just disturbing.

Deva Vs Gai!!!!! in Konaha cater, Go!

In a fight to kill... one full-powered Shinra Tensei is all it will take.

Deva takes this. As long as gai's attacks are visible Deva will repel them.

The only long range attack we have seen so far from gai is his noon tiger. If gai knows of the 5min interval he can take out deva no problem. Gai can launch the noon tiger which will be repelled by deva, Gai closes in with his 7th gate speed and a blow is all it will take, I think.

Deva might just repel both the noon tiger and gai in one attack.

Close to call but Deva wins 6:4

ok, it's time for me to give my expert opinion about these things....

New fight bitches

GAI vs RAIKAGE

Lets do this shit

Who is fastah? Raikage is faster with his raiton armour than base Gai, Gai is equally fast or faster with 6 or 7 gates opened. But Raikage's raiton armour lasts for a longer time than Gai's gate mode.
Who can take more dmg? Rai can endure more dmg as he can break through walls and he tanked some stones collapsing on him (blunt dmg tanking). He also wasn't cut by katana and chidori barely pierced him (slash and pierce dmg tanking, though it could be just lightning element tanking).
Who can give more dmg? I don't know.

Conclusion is raikage wins this, he is fast enough to dodge Gai's attacks, he might even tank direct hits from Gai while Gai probably can't. So that is why raikage wins this. Gai might win if he hits raikage with his tiger attack at 7 gates.

Shizune vs Sakura...

I would like to say Shizune wins, but she got caught too easily by Pein so she loses a lots of points there. So Sakura wins, let's say Sakura knows the poisons Shizune uses in combat coz they had the same teacher and Sakura is already using the antidote, so it comes down to taijutsu and Sakura showed more, she is fast enough to dodge Sasori's attacks and has extra strong punches.


Deva Vs Gai!!!!! in Konaha cater, Go!

Gai wins unless Deva uses giant attacks like the one that destroyed Konoha and the one when he created a small moon to capture kyubi. Since Deva likes to underestimate I can see Gai smacking him across the face.

Gai wins unless Deva uses giant attacks like the one that destroyed Konoha and the one when he created a small moon to capture kyubi. Since Deva likes to underestimate I can see Gai smacking him across the face.

That is why I said, "in a fight to kill". In such a scenario, if both enemies know of their opponents abilities, i.e. Gai knowing of Shinra Tensei and Chibaku Tensei; while Deva knows of Gai's gates, Deva still takes this. I am presuming that the ST he used to annihilate Konoha wasn't the strongest he could have used. If he uses even a similarly powered ST on Gai, what Taijutsu counter could he have to that? Quite frankly, the Noon Tiger was good, but it cannot match the destructive power of a Shinra Tensei. Even if Gai does go 8 gates and launches a stronger attack, I still don't think it can surpass Shinra Tensei... forget about Chibaku Tensei.

Just because Gai beat Kisame now, doesn't make him stronger than Pain. Come on, this guy was the strongest in Akatsuki for a reason. And for all those saying, "OH NOES! KISAME IS VERY STRONG... HE MIGHT EVEN BE STRONGER THAN PAIN!", simply because he beat Kirabi, who is almost everyones favourite.... well yeah, you keep telling yourself that...

That is why I said, "in a fight to kill". In such a scenario, if both enemies know of their opponents abilities, i.e. Gai knowing of Shinra Tensei and Chibaku Tensei; while Deva knows of Gai's gates, Deva still takes this. I am presuming that the ST he used to annihilate Konoha wasn't the strongest he could have used. If he uses even a similarly powered ST on Gai, what Taijutsu counter could he have to that? Quite frankly, the Noon Tiger was good, but it cannot match the destructive power of a Shinra Tensei. Even if Gai does go 8 gates and launches a stronger attack, I still don't think it can surpass Shinra Tensei... forget about Chibaku Tensei.

Just because Gai beat Kisame now, doesn't make him stronger than Pain. Come on, this guy was the strongest in Akatsuki for a reason. And for all those saying, "OH NOES! KISAME IS VERY STRONG... HE MIGHT EVEN BE STRONGER THAN PAIN!", simply because he beat Kirabi, who is almost everyones favourite.... well yeah, you keep telling yourself that...

There are several things I will point out - I am not saying that Gai > Pein or Nagato because this fight is only Gai vs one Pein body (Deva realm). I think that Deva realm can only harm Gai by using giant push (shinra tensei) or chibaku tensei (black hole) because Kakashi was able to withstand the normal shinra tensei.
In the fight scenario where both Deva and Gai don't know of each others abilities Gai wins because Deva would not use chibaku tensei on Gai. In the fight where Deva knows that Gai can beat him by opening gates, Deva would probably win by creating chibaku tensei before Gai goes gated. In the fight scenario where both Gai and Deva realm know of each others abilities, Gai could win by opening 6 gates immediately and going after Pein before he can use chibaku tensei. Using grand scale shinra tensei or chibaku tensei shortens Nagato's life so he wouldn't use it against any jounin.

Seriously guys?? Were talking about just deva here.

Gais alittle faster and far stronger with brute strength then kakashi and yet deva had so much trouble with kakashis speed and needed 3 shinrei tensais to beat kakashi after he ran out of chakra.

A basic ST shouldnt do much of anything exept push Gai off balance into nothing since its in a crater which will allow gai to evaluate devas attacks enough to counter them. So, after one or two STs, gais going to use gates and just shit blitz deva whos not going to be able to react much less get away fro another five seconds.

Scenario with only morning peacock.

Gai charges, deva barely reacts in time to repel, but gais so fast and strong he up and attacking again within a second leaving deva to get brutally pounded to nothingnss. The end!!!!

I would say deva could use Ginat ST, but tha shit couldnt beat tsunade and other random anbu that was there without katsuyas help so good luck. And chibaku tensai Im sure can be broken by the pre power of noon tiger.

Gai wins 7-3.

Seriously guys?? Were talking about just deva here.

That same Deva Kakashi couldn't beat by himself.

Gais alittle faster and far stronger with brute strength then kakashi and yet deva had so much trouble with kakashis speedand needed 3 shinrei tensais to beat kakashi after he ran out of chakra.

Link me to where he said he had trouble with it. Actually it was one until back up showed up, he used the other two. The last shouldn't really count because it was just a nail being shot through Kakashi's skull, but I'll give it to you. He used two against just Kakashi but the second one he used against Kakashi didn't really count because at that time, back up already arrived.

A basic ST shouldnt do much of anything exept push Gai off balance into nothing since its in a crater which will allow gai to evaluate devas attacks enough to counter them. So, after one or two STs, gais going to use gates and just shit blitz deva whos not going to be able to react much less get away fro another five seconds.

Basic ST repelled a FRS like it was nothing.

Scenario with only morning peacock.

Gai charges, deva barely reacts in time to repel, but gais so fast and strong he up and attacking again within a second leaving deva to get brutally pounded to nothingnss. The end!!!!

My scenario:

He BT's Gai before he could do morning peacock and stabs him with the chakra rod or he ST's Gai(Huge ST.) Gai rushes back into a BT and gets killed. See why scenarios wouldn't help?

I would say deva could use Ginat ST, but tha shit couldnt beat tsunade and other random anbu that was there without katsuyas help so good luck. And chibaku tensai Im sure can be broken by the pre power of noon tiger.

Wow. CT is bigger than the explosion AT made.

Katsuya was over all the villagers the whole time. That includes the huge ST.

Gai wins 7-3.

No, he doesn't.

This is incredible. So now Gai can beat Deva realm - who by himself is stronger than all other paths combined - just because he beat Kisame?

Deva took out the whole village himself. If we're talking about just Deva here, then don't forget that all of Nagato's power would be channeled into him, making him a lot stronger than he was when Nagato's power was channeled into all six paths. Gai doesn't stand a chance. He's Jounin for a reason and it was also said that opening all eight gates gives you power surpassing that of even a Kage, but it doesn't make you invincible. If Gai has to kill himself in order to kill Deva, then its not a clean victory in my eyes...

Gai is invincible. He can beat Sasuke.

Gai is invincible. He can beat Sasuke.

I guess I'm invincible too. I can beat Sasuke myself, just by rubbing off the Sharingan from his drawing! :p

That same Deva Kakashi couldn't beat by himself.


Actaully, kakashi had his raiton clone trap set, but demon realm came and saved devas ass. Really, if deva could beat kakashi then demon realm wouldnt of needed to be there now would he:rolleyes:


Link me to where he said he had trouble with it. Actually it was one until back up showed up, he used the other two. The last shouldn't really count because it was just a nail being shot through Kakashi's skull, but I'll give it to you. He used two against just Kakashi but the second one he used against Kakashi didn't really count because at that time, back up already arrived.


He didnt have to say he had trouble. Kakashi almost chidoried and stabbed deva realm three times just BARELY missing...

1. http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-420/page007.html

2. http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-423/page006.html

3. http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-423/page012.html

Proof enough and yet gais faster then kakashi!!!

as stated by someone who would knowhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-038/page013.html

And yes it took 3 ST to beat kakashi, but kaakshi was also out of chakra too so that played a role as well meaning guys whos faster and stronger would be able to reach deva faster hitting deav where kakashi couldnt and take more STs due to his greater brute strength.

3!!!!! not 2!!! all directed at kakashi point blank!!

1. http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-420/page008.html

2. http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-423/page007.html

3. (kakashi didnt magically end up there, he had to of been STed, but kishi was being lazy)http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-423/page015.html

Thats 3!!!

Basic ST repelled a FRS like it was nothing.


The FRS has cutting power not pushing power like a charge. Its an unstable flying disk which is only stopped because electro magnetic push cant be cut because its not made of any kind of matter in which to cut so the FRS is nothing for such an attack.

My scenario:

He BT's Gai before he could do morning peacock and stabs him with the chakra rod or he ST's Gai(Huge ST.) Gai rushes back into a BT and gets killed. See why scenarios wouldn't help?


Gai can maneuver in air and is a taijutsu master so deva being able to stab gai is almost a definite no. Plus deva would know gais a taijutsu specialist so he wouldnt let gai get close otherwise gai could use devas basho tenin against him by allowing deva to draw him in so once he got close he could release the 6th or 7th gate and overpower BT and kill deva instantly.

And devas full power ST culdnt stop a completely warnout tsunade or random anbu guy from its power yet gais brute strength is far above those levels. Especially when using gates.

Scenario need to make sense and urs doesnt so why make it. Mine made sens because gia has the brute strength to survive more then 1 ST which would give him the info he needs to open gates, force deva to waste and ST, then blitz him with untrackable speed.

Wow. CT is bigger than the explosion AT made.


What manag are u reading? Chibaku tensai just pulls alot of top mantel together to form a ball and hold someone, nothing more. Its not that powerful at all considering it doesnt kill the enemy, only hold them lol.

Noon tiger took out a whole intire ocean and forced naruto, KB and the other to brace from its power a mile away lol so theres no comparison.

Noon tiger>chibaku tensai because NT kills instantly while CT only holds.

Katsuya was over all the villagers the whole time. That includes the huge ST.

Gai wins 7-3.

But she wasnt helping tsunade or random anbu guy yet they werent even injured and they got hit in mid air point blank. However, Gai>warnout tsunade and random anbu guy.

How do I know:

(one arm push point blank through a solid 2 foot thick wall)http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-117/page009.html

Able to stop kisames full strength sword thrust with mere nunckuks.http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-258/page008.html

So gai has all the tools necessary to beat deva because he can survive long enough to learn of the five second interval which is all gai needs along with gates and its over because deva cannot survive such an attack if a plain rasengan does him in.

Gai wins 7-3!!!!

^At the above post... you do realize that only Kakashi was fighting to kill right?

Deva clearly wanted information and that is the only reason he was playing around with everyone. He could have squashed them like bugs instead of swatted them aside, literally! :p

This is incredible. So now Gai can beat Deva realm - who by himself is stronger than all other paths combined - just because he beat Kisame?

Deva took out the whole village himself. If we're talking about just Deva here, then don't forget that all of Nagato's power would be channeled into him, making him a lot stronger than he was when Nagato's power was channeled into all six paths. Gai doesn't stand a chance. He's Jounin for a reason and it was also said that opening all eight gates gives you power surpassing that of even a Kage, but it doesn't make you invincible. If Gai has to kill himself in order to kill Deva, then its not a clean victory in my eyes...

No true at all. When nagatos full power was channeled into deva, deav was left powerless for a couple minutes so thats not going to be the case.

And gai doesnt need more the 6 gates IMO. Deva neede 3 STs to beat kakashi and almost died 3 times, but was just slightly out of reach. However, gai is much stronger physically so he can take much more STs and because gai is also faster that gap of BARELY AVOIDING is bridged by gais speed at base, not even using gates.

And Gai at 6 gates far surpasses any kage besides the raikage in supermode physically so enough of that. 7 gates was ridiculously powerful like a jinkchuricki attack level which no kage even known can perform as far as I know.

Gai can and would most likly beat deva which is why kishi kept him and his team out of konaha when pain attacked otherwise naruto might not of even been necessary IMO.

I can agree to that, but his brains would still bottleneck his chances of winning.

^At the above post... you do realize that only Kakashi was fighting to kill right?

Deva clearly wanted information and that is the only reason he was playing around with everyone. He could have squashed them like bugs instead of swatted them aside, literally! :p

Ur full of shit as usual!!!

Not trying to kill my ass:rolleyes:http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-422/page013.html

When kakashi first showed up he defied deva making it a fight to the death lol so ur point is null.

Ur just mad because deva trying to capture SM naruto stomped his ass and deva trying to kill almost got killed if it wasnt for demons interference lol.

And yet Gai is stronger and faster then kakashi so he would succeed where kakashi failed obviously.

I can agree to that, but his brains would still bottleneck his chances of winning.

Gai not stupid!!! He figured out a way to counter the SG which even kakashi the great couldnt come up with.http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-257/page004.html

Gais not some super strategist like kakashi, but hes more then smart enough to figure out devas power after 2 or 3 attacks which is all hes needs to win if he doesnt just plain win by sheer speed and strength alone by using gates.

No true at all.

You're not serious...

When nagatos full power was channeled into deva, deav was left powerless for a couple minutes so thats not going to be the case.

... Oh you are! :eek:

And gai doesnt need more the 6 gates IMO. Deva neede 3 STs to beat kakashi and almost died 3 times, but was just slightly out of reach. However, gai is much stronger physically so he can take much more STs and because gai is also faster that gap of BARELY AVOIDING is bridged by gais speed at base, not even using gates.

Like I told you. Deva was not fighting to kill. If he was, Kakashi would have died in a flash. Seriously, is that so difficult to understand? Gai may be physically stronger than Kakashi, but his physical strength without the gates is still considerably inferior to that of Tsunade. How can you see him surviving a ST, as powerful as the one used on the village? ST in unpredictable and can be avoided, yes, but you're forgetting that Deva only mainly uses it when someone attacks him, since that is when the opponent drops his guard and is the most vulnerable for a counter attack. And if he cannot track Gai's speed, then he can just use a ST all around him - 360 degrees. All it takes is one attack to massively damage Gai, not to mention the sheer strain that using the gates takes on his own body.

Secondly, Gai is a "taijutsu only" fighter and Deva is the worst possble opponent for him, since ST is most effective against Taijutsu. Gai would need to get in range to fight Deva as opposed to Kakashi who could still fight from a comparatively wider range, though it still didn't make a difference. At the end of the fight, in spite of all the combined efforts, Kakashi was on the brink of death and Deva didn't have a scratch on him...

And Gai at 6 gates far surpasses any kage besides the raikage in supermode physically so enough of that. 7 gates was ridiculously powerful like a jinkchuricki attack level which no kage even known can perform as far as I know.

I'm not going to comment on the Gai vs Raikage fight since I honestly am too confused to take a stance on this one. Saying that no Kage can match Gai's feats in 7 gates mode is taking it a little too far. Personally, Gai may be strong and powerful, but I don't know how much he can endure in this form, something Raikage clearly has an advantage in. Remember, the one who wins the fight is not the one who can dish out more damage, but the one who can take more damage...

Gai can and would most likly beat deva which is why kishi kept him and his team out of konaha when pain attacked otherwise naruto might not of even been necessary IMO.

Gai was kept out because his moment of glory was to come against Kisame. Had he been in the village, he would have died, had it not been for Tsunade's jutsu. Period.

Gai not stupid!!! He figured out a way to counter the SG which even kakashi the great couldnt come up with.http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-257/page004.html

Gais not some super strategist like kakashi, but hes more then smart enough to figure out devas power after 2 or 3 attacks which is all hes needs to win if he doesnt just plain win by sheer speed and strength alone by using gates.

Gai grew up with Kakashi. Back then, the Rinnegan has only been seen by a handful of people. Not even talking about figuring it out. Half of a village and a Sage. That's what it takes to learn the secret behind it.

Ur full of shit as usual!!!

OH THE IRONY !!!

Not trying to kill my ass:rolleyes:http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-422/page013.html

When kakashi first showed up he defied deva making it a fight to the death lol so ur point is null.

Who was the one dead in the end? Kakashi... so that means you're a moron...

Ur just mad because deva trying to capture SM naruto stomped his ass and deva trying to kill almost got killed if it wasnt for demons interference lol.

What's with you and your interference and/or assistance fetish? And you say I'm mad... Yeah rite.

Notice how you mention Deva almost getting killed at Kakashi's hands if it weren't for Demon's interference, but at the same time, very conveniently forgetting about him meeting the same fate at Naruto's hands through his FRS if Hungry Ghost Realm hadn't interfered and sucked the jutsu up...

From what I remember, during the discussions that stemmed after this fight, you were the one defending Pain, dissing Naruto because he was "Assisted By The Frogs!", and calling me a noob for defending Naruto. Now suddenly, you're defending Pain?

Are you bipolar?

And yet Gai is stronger and faster then kakashi so he would succeed where kakashi failed obviously.

Wow! Kiba is stronger than Konohamaru so if Konohamaru managed to damage Hell Realm, Kiba would definitely obliterate him!

I LOVE THE LOGIC !

P.S. - Note the sarcasm...

OMG MY DAILY READ!

Any who enlightening me on who we are talking about? For vs?

And no I don't feel like reading to find out.

OMG MY DAILY READ!

Any who enlightening me on who we are talking about? For vs?

And no I don't feel like reading to find out.

Gai vs Deva. In the red corner, KYF. In the yellow corner, Wolverine.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM. TEMPTING INDEED.

Deva path then.

You're not serious...



... Oh you are! :eek:

Lol, so nagatos going to give deva his full power so deva can shut down for a couple minutes when the super ST fails:rolleyes: Deva/nagato would most likly overestimate himself against gai and get his shit rocked!!!

Lol, u do know thats the only time nagato has give deva his full power because it doesnt seem the body of yahiko can handle it all at once.

Like I told you. Deva was not fighting to kill. If he was, Kakashi would have died in a flash.

U keep believing that because the manga says otherwise when deva pulled kakashi into a skewer of demons lol. Seriously, how can u argue that:confused:

Seriously, is that so difficult to understand? Gai may be physically stronger than Kakashi, but his physical strength without the gates is still considerably inferior to that of Tsunade. How can you see him surviving a ST, as powerful as the one used on the village?

True, but gia>warnout tsunade for sure and that what got hit by the giant ST because she had to pool all her chakra into katsyua to save others not even herself or the random anbu guy.http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-430/page009.html

And gues what? SHe was in mid air with random anbu guy and got hit with the ginat ST point blank and yet was still uninjuredhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-429/page009.html

So clearly gai would have no problem since gai can use gates and far surpass her strength even at full power.

ST in unpredictable and can be avoided, yes, but you're forgetting that Deva only mainly uses it when someone attacks him, since that is when the opponent drops his guard and is the most vulnerable for a counter attack. And if he cannot track Gai's speed, then he can just use a ST all around him - 360 degrees. All it takes is one attack to massively damage Gai, not to mention the sheer strain that using the gates takes on his own body.

The basic ST all around couldnt even stop naruto backed by some clones:rolleyes:http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-442/page016.html

Gai using 6 gates or more would overpower the shit out of that and shit kick deva if base naruto with a couple clones could stop it lol.

ST isnt going to beat gai if it took 3 and running out of chakra to beat kakashi:rolleyes: Gais stronger and has far greater endurance so he can take much more and is faster so his attacks will land where kakashis failed by such a short margin.

Secondly, Gai is a "taijutsu only" fighter and Deva is the worst possble opponent for him, since ST is most effective against Taijutsu. Gai would need to get in range to fight Deva as opposed to Kakashi who could still fight from a comparatively wider range, though it still didn't make a difference. At the end of the fight, in spite of all the combined efforts, Kakashi was on the brink of death and Deva didn't have a scratch on him...


1. Taijutsu besides genjutsu is the best way to fight deva because long range attacks just fail so u have to get close to land an attack.

2. Kakashi had a trap set to beat deva no if, ands or buts about it. However, demon saved deva from the fate and got hit with the raiton clone/kakashi ambush instead.


I'm not going to comment on the Gai vs Raikage fight since I honestly am too confused to take a stance on this one. Saying that no Kage can match Gai's feats in 7 gates mode is taking it a little too far. Personally, Gai may be strong and powerful, but I don't know how much he can endure in this form, something Raikage clearly has an advantage in. Remember, the one who wins the fight is not the one who can dish out more damage, but the one who can take more damage...

Raikage in super mode could still beat Gai IMO because hes still alittle faster and can take the damage of the noon tiger and then beat gai when the chakra runs out.



Gai was kept out because his moment of glory was to come against Kisame. Had he been in the village, he would have died, had it not been for Tsunade's jutsu. Period.

If he was i the village gai could potentially help defeat all six after the giant ST because then gai wouldnt have to worry about killing everyone around.

Think about it. Iwth all six in one spot and noon tiger being an instant air pressure attack comming from the speed of Gai meaning HG realm cant absorb it because it doesnt use wind chakra just real air. And its far too powerful for devas basic ST to stop so all six would be left in kisame positionhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-507/page005.html

leaving whoevers around to finish pain.

^What would stop Nagato from using a more powerful Shinra to protect his bodies and launch Gai to the moon while he's at it?

OH THE IRONY !!!



Who was the one dead in the end? Kakashi... so that means you're a moron...

U said deva was toying with kakashi not trying to actually kill him which the manga says otherwise, but u cant accept. TOO BAD!!!

This is not capturinghttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-422/page013.html

This is http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-434/page017.html

Skewer the heart=trying to kill.

Happy hug chakra cuk time=trying to capture, holding back!!!

Ur the moron if u cant get this!!!

What's with you and your interference and/or assistance fetish? And you say I'm mad... Yeah rite.

Deva cant be said to be strong because demon helped him by saving his ass from the ambush kakashi had set for him originally. It just shows what wouldve happened to deva if demons realm hadnt shown up to save his ass.

Deva would BTed, the pierced the raiton clone which wouldve immobilized him allowing kakashi to sneak up and chidori from behind while deva cant move or use an jutsu. Kakashi wins!!!

Notice how you mention Deva almost getting killed at Kakashi's hands if it weren't for Demon's interference, but at the same time, very conveniently forgetting about him meeting the same fate at Naruto's hands through his FRS if Hungry Ghost Realm hadn't interfered and sucked the jutsu up...

Are u an idiot??

Ur comparing naruto vs powerless deva to kakashi vs powerful deva:rolleyes:

Theres no comparison in the least.

From what I remember, during the discussions that stemmed after this fight, you were the one defending Pain, dissing Naruto because he was "Assisted By The Frogs!", and calling me a noob for defending Naruto. Now suddenly, you're defending Pain?

Are you bipolar?

How am I defending pain. In a one on one fight, deva wouldve lost to kakashi, but demon stepped in to help. And like the frogs which are summons from Ma, demon is a separate realm, not devas power or ninja tool like ST, BT or CT so it counts as outside assistance from an Allie.

[indent]Wow! Kiba is stronger than Konohamaru so if Konohamaru managed to damage Hell Realm, Kiba would definitely obliterate him!

Proof kibas more powerful then konahamaru????

I LOVE THE LOGIC !

Ur logic is shit due to the fact u believe skewer to the chest=barehug in that no ones trying to kill with these attacks:rolleyes:

^What would stop Nagato from using a more powerful Shinra to protect his bodies and launch Gai to the moon while he's at it?

The attacks instant and nagato has to shut down and power up deva for a giant ST. Basically, no time to react much less counter!!!

Solid ground and buildings > wind tiger. That big of a Shinra Tensei is not necessary, so a shutdown is not needed I'm guessing.

I have to go with kyf on this one pain is only godly because he has six bodies and he normally outnumbers his opponents so he has the clear advantage. But if you catch any pain individually they suck, except of deva and animal. Gai isnt as smart as kakashi so his battle with deva will go down different but once gai goes gates it's over of deva. He will need gates because deva could counter his base speed.
Then again gai would have to completely destroy deva pain body which i dont think is possible with gai raw power alone. after deva gets raped from gai going gates he will turn his back then nagato will revive deva and kill gai because gai will be burnt out after he uses gates. because the only way to defeat pain bodies is to completely destroy them or remove the chakra rods. Because the bodies are already dead so reviving deva pain dead body after gai is finished with it wont be difficult.

Solid ground and buildings > wind tiger. That big of a Shinra Tensei is not necessary, so a shutdown is not needed I'm guessing.

Wind, water of solid objects. It doesnt matter what state of mater is used.What truly matters is the force that is being put behind the attack.

A basic ST can barely destroy a block of konaha while noon tiger could wipe out the entire village. Theres no comparison in force. It woudld take a ginato ST, the full power of nagato in deva to stop the noon tiger. However, nagato can only use one from what we have seen while gai was still powered up and ready to fight so he can most likly use noon tiger multiple times before running out of chakra which means he can shit kick even pains/all six in 7 gates mode if theyre all in one place like they were in konaha crater when naruto met them.

Lol, so nagatos going to give deva his full power so deva can shut down for a couple minutes when the super ST fails:rolleyes: Deva/nagato would most likly overestimate himself against gai and get his shit rocked!!!

This is where I wonder if you even possess common logic. The fact that you yourself said that this is just Deva alone, with no other path around, means that Nagato is not going to "Change" bodies or channel his power to Deva in the middle of the fight. He would have done it beforehand so no shutting down. That would have happened before he meets Gai. Jesus!

Besides... the shutting down only happened to the other bodies, not Deva.

Lol, u do know thats the only time nagato has give deva his full power because it doesnt seem the body of yahiko can handle it all at once.

He only gives Deva his complete power because that makes him all that much stronger and Nagato never needed that kind of strength before against any opponent.

U keep believing that because the manga says otherwise when deva pulled kakashi into a skewer of demons lol. Seriously, how can u argue that:confused:

I am not arguing that Kakashi caught him off-guard. But so did Naruto. What is your point? Would you now say that Naruto could have beaten him fair and square?

All I said is that Kakashi was the only one fighting to kill. Is that so hard to understand? It was only when Kakashi was buried chest-deep in rubble, that Deva admitted that it would be troublesome for him if he left Kakashi alive. Only then did he take him seriously. I am not saying that Kakashi might have killed him... just that Deva would have killed Kakashi before he could try to do so if that was his intention right from the start. He kept him alive because he needed information on Naruto...

True, but gia>warnout tsunade for sure and that what got hit by the giant ST because she had to pool all her chakra into katsyua to save others not even herself or the random anbu guy.http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-430/page009.html

And gues what? SHe was in mid air with random anbu guy and got hit with the ginat ST point blank and yet was still uninjuredhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-429/page009.html

So clearly gai would have no problem since gai can use gates and far surpass her strength even at full power.

Tsunade was saved only because she had Katsuyu. What is Gai gonna do to escape ST? Hide inside his turtle summon's shell?

You're mistaking physical strength and endurance to be the same thing. Gai may have raw physical power, but he doesn't have the endurance to withstand a ST...

The basic ST all around couldnt even stop naruto backed by some clones:rolleyes:http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-442/page016.html

Umm... Naruto was in Sage Mode, where his strength surpasses that of Gai's... hello?

I've been saying this right from the start, Deva can only beat Gai in gates mode if he used a ST equivalent to the one he used on the village or on the frog summons...

Gai using 6 gates or more would overpower the shit out of that and shit kick deva if base naruto with a couple clones could stop it lol.

No one... and I mean no one can kick the shit out of someone who can block and repel physical attacks to the point that the enemy is damaged more than he himself is. Naruto time his attack perfectly, and Deva couldn't react in time. Not to mention he was worn out from using the CT, and from getting a ST thrown back at him by 6TKN...

ST isnt going to beat gai if it took 3 and running out of chakra to beat kakashi:rolleyes: Gais stronger and has far greater endurance so he can take much more and is faster so his attacks will land where kakashis failed by such a short margin.

Talk about selective reading. I said... "FULL POWERED ST". Do I have to highlight it in pink for you to read now?

1. Taijutsu besides genjutsu is the best way to fight deva because long range attacks just fail so u have to get close to land an attack.

The closer you are, the harder ST hits you.

2. Kakashi had a trap set to beat deva no if, ands or buts about it. However, demon saved deva from the fate and got hit with the raiton clone/kakashi ambush instead.

Please read the bit about Deva's intentions of the fight. I don't feel like typing redundant shit all the time.

Raikage in super mode could still beat Gai IMO because hes still alittle faster and can take the damage of the noon tiger and then beat gai when the chakra runs out.

I personally feel Raikage would edge this one out too... :D

If he was i the village gai could potentially help defeat all six after the giant ST because then gai wouldnt have to worry about killing everyone around.

Think about it. Iwth all six in one spot and noon tiger being an instant air pressure attack comming from the speed of Gai meaning HG realm cant absorb it because it doesnt use wind chakra just real air. And its far too powerful for devas basic ST to stop so all six would be left in kisame positionhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-507/page005.html

leaving whoevers around to finish pain.

How would all 6 be in one spot? That is the problem. You assume a bit too much...

Why do you assume that Gai would automatically be in 6 or 7 gates mode, when you don't want to entertain the possibility of Deva landing in the village to annihilate it right off the bat? That is not how battles are fought. All your arguments have taken into consideration that Gai is fighting to kill Deva A.S.A.P., but Deva is not. So Deva needs to sort his priorities out and then strategize, while Gai can just go gates and kick his butt. It's like Deva cannot say, "Fuck this shit, I'm gonna kill you and I'm gonna do it now!"

Even on a 1 v 1 final attack, ST>AT. Please!! God!

Looking at it like it is a classic RPG, where the enemy stands still till you choose one of your attacks doesn't apply here. Ofcourse, Kishi's way of thinking is the only right one. But who are we to say this is what they would do? Still, it's safe to assume the Pains won't stand still.

Actaully, kakashi had his raiton clone trap set, but demon realm came and saved devas ass. Really, if deva could beat kakashi then demon realm wouldnt of needed to be there now would he:rolleyes:

How is it a save when Deva wasn't in trouble to begin with? (http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-421/14/)?




He didnt have to say he had trouble. Kakashi almost chidoried and stabbed deva realm three times just BARELY missing...

Barely missing? I like your logic.

1. http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-420/page007.html

look at how far his head is from Kakashi's hand in the last panel. He was barely missing.:rolleyes:

2. http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-423/page006.html

You said he couldn't keep up with Kakashi so how could he do a ST when he couldn't react?

3. http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-423/page012.html

He was in chains. -_- I'll wrap you in chains and throw a rock at you and we'll see if you'll dodge.

Proof enough and yet gais faster then kakashi!!!

That's not proof.

as stated by someone who would knowhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-038/page013.html

You mean how Zetsu said Naruto was stronger than Sasuke and Pain and you cried PnJ all the way home?

And yes it took 3 ST to beat kakashi, but kaakshi was also out of chakra too so that played a role as well meaning guys whos faster and stronger would be able to reach deva faster hitting deav where kakashi couldnt and take more STs due to his greater brute strength.

I'll give you faster but stronger?

3!!!!! not 2!!! all directed at kakashi point blank!!

It's 2.

1. http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-420/page008.html

1.

2. http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-423/page007.html

2.

3. (kakashi didnt magically end up there, he had to of been STed, but kishi was being lazy)http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-423/page015.html

He was there from the beginning. here (http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-421/13/) and here. (http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-423/16/)


That's 3!!!!

That's 2. Learn to count.


The FRS has cutting power not pushing power like a charge. Its an unstable flying disk which is only stopped because electro magnetic push cant be cut because its not made of any kind of matter in which to cut so the FRS is nothing for such an attack.

Afternoon Tiger is made of sweat and you're gonna tell me you can't repel it? It's unstable just like FRS which only expands it hits.

Gai can maneuver in air and is a taijutsu master so deva being able to stab gai is almost a definite no. Plus deva would know gais a taijutsu specialist so he wouldnt let gai get close otherwise gai could use devas basho tenin against him by allowing deva to draw him in so once he got close he could release the 6th or 7th gate and overpower BT and kill deva instantly.

If it was that easy to outmaneuver him, wouldn't Fukasaku would've done it instead of getting killed?

And devas full power ST culdnt stop a completely warnout tsunade or random anbu guy from its power yet gais brute strength is far above those levels. Especially when using gates.

Brute strengh has nothing to do with someone getting blasted away. Naruto has hella brute strengh in SM but he got ST'd and BT'd correct?

Scenario need to make sense and urs doesnt so why make it. Mine made sens because gia has the brute strength to survive more then 1 ST which would give him the info he needs to open gates, force deva to waste and ST, then blitz him with untrackable speed.

Yours makes sense? Why? Because Gai wins? Gamabunta and the other Toads got brute strenght but guess what happened? The same thing tha would happen to Gai.

What manag are u reading? Chibaku tensai just pulls alot of top mantel together to form a ball and hold someone, nothing more. Its not that powerful at all considering it doesnt kill the enemy, only hold them lol.

It would pull in Gai and crush him right?

Noon tiger took out a whole intire ocean and forced naruto, KB and the other to brace from its power a mile away lol so theres no comparison.

An ocean? Really now?

Noon tiger>chibaku tensai because NT kills instantly while CT only holds.

It didn't kill anyone.

But she wasnt helping tsunade or random anbu guy yet they werent even injured and they got hit in mid air point blank. However, Gai>warnout tsunade and random anbu guy.

They were running towards pain so none of the buildings would hit them.

How do I know:

(one arm push point blank through a solid 2 foot thick wall)http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-117/page009.html

What the hell does brute strengh have to do with getting blown away?

Able to stop kisames full strength sword thrust with mere nunckuks.http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-258/page008.html

Read above.

So gai has all the tools necessary to beat deva because he can survive long enough to learn of the five second interval which is all gai needs along with gates and its over because deva cannot survive such an attack if a plain rasengan does him in.

no he doesn't. Taijutsu isn't mid-long ranged. He is at a disadvantage if anything.

Gai wins 7-3!!!!

No.

Stop the wall of text dude, it's very annoying to break it down.

*O_O eats popcorn and watches intently*

I like NLB's new writing style. Direct and Dismissive! ;)

[QUOTE]This is where I wonder if you even possess common logic. The fact that you yourself said that this is just Deva alone, with no other path around, means that Nagato is not going to "Change" bodies or channel his power to Deva in the middle of the fight. He would have done it beforehand so no shutting down. That would have happened before he meets Gai. Jesus!

Read and learn (shortens lifespan)http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-429/page009.html
and
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-430/page013.html

What do not u understand about it causes deva to lose his power and has a huge strain on nagato which Im more then sure that nagato wouldnt take such a risk for mere Gai LMAO. Or is that what ur saying??

Ur logic is suggesting nagato would risk his life span and devas powers just for gai:rolleyes:

Besides... the shutting down only happened to the other bodies, not Deva.


Readhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-431/page001.html

Deva lost his powers for a couple minutes which is 1:59 seconds to long against someone as fast as Gai!!!

He only gives Deva his complete power because that makes him all that much stronger and Nagato never needed that kind of strength before against any opponent.

Again, if nagato could just put all his power in deva all the time then he would, but the manga explains that it drains nagatos life and hurts deva the body meaning it cant take it so ur idea isnt possible.

I am not arguing that Kakashi caught him off-guard. But so did Naruto. What is your point? Would you now say that Naruto could have beaten him fair and square?

Naruto hit a warnout, cant side step 2 feet deva realm( look at him on his knees completely wanrout and vulnerable)http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-442/page017.html

All I said is that Kakashi was the only one fighting to kill. Is that so hard to understand? It was only when Kakashi was buried chest-deep in rubble, that Deva admitted that it would be troublesome for him if he left Kakashi alive. Only then did he take him seriously. I am not saying that Kakashi might have killed him... just that Deva would have killed Kakashi before he could try to do so if that was his intention right from the start. He kept him alive because he needed information on Naruto...

This is at the beginning when demon first arrived so WTF are u talking about!!

READ!!! INPERPRET!!http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-422/page013.html

1. deva didnt know it was a clone.

2. Deva meant to pull kakashi into demons skewer.

3. deva and demon share the same mind and intentions since nagato controls them both so nagato/deva/demon tried to kill kakashi

AGAINhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-422/page013.html

Ur saying nagato skewering kakashi in the chest isnt trying to kill him which is rediculous!!!!

Tsunade was saved only because she had Katsuyu. What is Gai gonna do to escape ST? Hide inside his turtle summon's shell?

Where is tsunades katsuya?http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-430/page009.html

Now ur just making shit up!!! She and random anbu guy survived without any injury without katsuya so Gai should have no problem as well.

You're mistaking physical strength and endurance to be the same thing. Gai may have raw physical power, but he doesn't have the endurance to withstand a ST...

Are u retarded?? Kakashi withstood 3 including running out of chakra. Meanwhile Gai is much stronger and can take more damage and use more chakra so he could take much more then 3 due to this fact.

Do u even know what ur talking about here?? Hinata got beat by 1 ST because shes weak as shit while kakashi needed 3 because how strong he is. However, Gai is even stronger so it would take more.


Umm... Naruto was in Sage Mode, where his strength surpasses that of Gai's... hello?

Brute stregnth ONLY. Gai can simply punch and the air pressure will destroy and entire village. Naruto cant fathom doing something like that in SM with raw power.

I've been saying this right from the start, Deva can only beat Gai in gates mode if he used a ST equivalent to the one he used on the village or on the frog summons...

The ST on the Frog was a basic ST, but more focused. However, since the frogs weigh more theyre going to get hurt far worse when they land, thus the saying "the bigger they are, the harder they fall"!!

And again, the full power ST could stop tsunade warn out of random anbu guy so Gai at base should be able to do the same due to his brutre strength. In gated mode, gai would just be blown back then reblitz once it was over because a giant ST isnt going to actaully hurt gai in gated mode with how powerful he is. Just like it wouldnt hurt 4tailed and over naruto.

Too powerfull!!!


No one... and I mean no one can kick the shit out of someone who can block and repel physical attacks to the point that the enemy is damaged more than he himself is. Naruto time his attack perfectly, and Deva couldn't react in time. Not to mention he was worn out from using the CT, and from getting a ST thrown back at him by 6TKN...

Deva cant block or repel anything otherwise KN6 naruto wouldnt of withstood ST by merely using its tails as a kick standhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-438/page005.html

Gai in 6 gates and over would have a charge on the same level and sticking to the ground using chakra at the feet while in a wide stance so he could basically do the same.

And naruto still hit a wornout deva that couldnt even stand anymore.

Talk about selective reading. I said... "FULL POWERED ST". Do I have to highlight it in pink for you to read now?

U shouldve read the effects mentioning that deva suffers and nagato suffers which is why nagato only uses all his power in deva every now and then when its necasarry.

The closer you are, the harder ST hits you.

Kakashi got hit point black all 3 times so........

Reread the links I provided!!

Please read the bit about Deva's intentions of the fight. I don't feel like typing redundant shit all the time.

Actions>>>words!!!

Nagato had deva pull kakashi into demons skewer in the chest, enough said!!!!


How would all 6 be in one spot? That is the problem. You assume a bit too much...

Thats how they were for naruto:rolleyes:

Why do you assume that Gai would automatically be in 6 or 7 gates mode, when you don't want to entertain the possibility of Deva landing in the village to annihilate it right off the bat? That is not how battles are fought. All your arguments have taken into consideration that Gai is fighting to kill Deva A.S.A.P., but Deva is not. So Deva needs to sort his priorities out and then strategize, while Gai can just go gates and kick his butt. It's like Deva cannot say, "Fuck this shit, I'm gonna kill you and I'm gonna do it now!"


And ur the one who not getting this is a fight between gai and deva to the death and gai can go 6 gates off the bat like he did in the last fight while deva has no idea what hes dealing with. This is the reality of the situation.

Nagatos overconfident due to gai appearance actions so he going to pay for it in the long run.
Even on a 1 v 1 final attack, ST>AT. Please!! God!

Basic ST<<noon tiger.

Full power ST=noon tiger.

Both destroy and chunck of land the size of a village so they must both be equal in force.

Read and learn (shortens lifespan)http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-429/page009.html
and
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-430/page013.html

What do not u understand about it causes deva to lose his power and has a huge strain on nagato which Im more then sure that nagato wouldnt take such a risk for mere Gai LMAO. Or is that what ur saying??

Ur logic is suggesting nagato would risk his life span and devas powers just for gai:rolleyes:

And Gai going 6 gates just to match Deva doesn't affect him negatively in the least! WOW! x10...

Readhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-431/page001.html

Deva lost his powers for a couple minutes which is 1:59 seconds to long against someone as fast as Gai!!!

Nagato would already have channeled all his power into Deva so he wouldn't short-circuit for a while...

Again, if nagato could just put all his power in deva all the time then he would, but the manga explains that it drains nagatos life and hurts deva the body meaning it cant take it so ur idea isnt possible.

Channeling all his power in Deva doesn't shorten his lifespan. Nagato only uses Deva when he needs to use really powerful attacks and needs to focus his chakra in one body. Only then does it drain his life force...

Naruto hit a warnout, cant side step 2 feet deva realm( look at him on his knees completely wanrout and vulnerable)http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-442/page017.html



This is at the beginning when demon first arrived so WTF are u talking about!!

My point exactly. You said that Naruto beat Deva and I told you that Deva was worn out. This was not the FRS instance that I was talking about. It was when HG Realm absorbs his FRS and then Naruto realizes that Hell Realm is the key to Pain's ressurection, after which he is BT'd by Pain and has his Sage Chakra sucked out by HG Realm...

READ!!! INPERPRET!!http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-422/page013.html

1. deva didnt know it was a clone.

2. Deva meant to pull kakashi into demons skewer.

3. deva and demon share the same mind and intentions since nagato controls them both so nagato/deva/demon tried to kill kakashi

AGAINhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-422/page013.html

Ur saying nagato skewering kakashi in the chest isnt trying to kill him which is rediculous!!!!

OMFG! All it takes to kill Kakashi is one massive ST. Did you see Deva using it?

Where is tsunades katsuya?http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-430/page009.html

Now ur just making shit up!!! She and random anbu guy survived without any injury without katsuya so Gai should have no problem as well.

Her chakra is linked to Katsuyu... plus the mark on her forehead had disappeared. This could mean that she might have used her regeneration technique to survive getting killed by that blast. Gai can do no such thing. His muscles tear each other apart when he goes gates mode as it is...

Are u retarded?? Kakashi withstood 3 including running out of chakra. Meanwhile Gai is much stronger and can take more damage and use more chakra so he could take much more then 3 due to this fact.

OH MY FUCKING GOD!

Different powered STs have different effects. Are you trying to say that the ST used on the village and the one used on Kakashi are the same?

Do u even know what ur talking about here?? Hinata got beat by 1 ST because shes weak as shit while kakashi needed 3 because how strong he is. However, Gai is even stronger so it would take more.

Same as above.

Brute stregnth ONLY. Gai can simply punch and the air pressure will destroy and entire village. Naruto cant fathom doing something like that in SM with raw power.

o.O

Are you sure you're not into Madara/Tobi cosplay with the Moon's Eye plan? Coz your idea is just as fail...

The ST on the Frog was a basic ST, but more focused. However, since the frogs weigh more theyre going to get hurt far worse when they land, thus the saying "the bigger they are, the harder they fall"!!

And again, the full power ST could stop tsunade warn out of random anbu guy so Gai at base should be able to do the same due to his brutre strength. In gated mode, gai would just be blown back then reblitz once it was over because a giant ST isnt going to actaully hurt gai in gated mode with how powerful he is. Just like it wouldnt hurt 4tailed and over naruto.

Too powerfull!!!

I guess I should probably stop with that bolded statement... this is ridiculous!

Nagato had deva pull kakashi into demons skewer in the chest, enough said!!!!

I forgot about that. My mistake for which I apologize...

And ur the one who not getting this is a fight between gai and deva to the death and gai can go 6 gates off the bat like he did in the last fight while deva has no idea what hes dealing with. This is the reality of the situation.

Let's not get into that since Deva is already dead here so killing him will do nothing. Nagato will just keep reanimating him till Gai kills himself from the aftermath of using the gates...

Nagatos overconfident due to gai appearance actions so he going to pay for it in the long run.

The only one being overconfident is you, exaggerating Gai's skills...

Basic ST<<noon tiger.

Full power ST=noon tiger.

Both destroy and chunck of land the size of a village so they must both be equal in force.

Yet, ST killed thousands of people in the village and would have killed all the remaining ninja too had it not been for Katsuyu, while Noon Tiger didn't even kill Kisame...

http://cdn3.knowyourmeme.com/i/6515/original/jesus-facepalm-facepalm-jesus-epic-demotivational-poster-1218659828.jpg?1248715819

Jesus facepalm lmao.

How is it a save when Deva wasn't in trouble to begin with? (http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-421/14/)?


Not int trouble:rolleyes: Kakashi hiding ready to pounce his ass from the ruble after he stabs the raiton clone, but thats not trouble to the dimwitted I guess. An ambush istn any threat lol!!

Raiton clone for paralysis which surprises deva meaning he didnt know http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-422/page014.html

Real kakashi ready to ambush from rublehttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-422/page016.html

Deva realising his ass almost got ambushedhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-423/page001.html

No danger:rolleyes:

Barely missing? I like your logic.



look at how far his head is from Kakashi's hand in the last panel. He was barely missing.:rolleyes:

Devas head is already at that point when kakashi hand is past where his head was through the wall so he barely missed by that much. Easy interpretation, come on. Read where his head was, then is and compare it to where kakashi hand is in comparison and u can deduce kakashi had to of missed devas head (not the wall ) by a couple inches or so.

You said he couldn't keep up with Kakashi so how could he do a ST when he couldn't react?


Never said that, ur making shit up!!!

He was in chains. -_- I'll wrap you in chains and throw a rock at you and we'll see if you'll dodge.



That's not proof.

U though an ambush from the ruble wasnt potential danger so forgive me for thinking ur full of shit and have no idea what ur talking about.

You mean how Zetsu said Naruto was stronger than Sasuke and Pain and you cried PnJ all the way home?


Said probably!!! and naruto admitted he couldnt beat sasuke so suck it going of topic!!

I'll give you faster but stronger?


Read the links, gai has awesome brute strength far beyond kakashis.

It's 2.

Its 3 STs because kakashi didnt magically end up covered in ruble from nothing when he was again mere inches from killing deva so guess what happened!!!

Again, u and idiot if u think kakashi ended up in the ruble for no reason other then to bury himself and die:rolleyes: Deva clearly STed him!! use some basic logic and reasoning skills kid.

He was there from the beginning. here (http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-421/13/) and here. (http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-423/16/)




That's 2. Learn to count.

3 STs because kakashi doesnt have a bury in ruble waiting to die no jutsu.

and ur an idiot because the real kakashi came out herehttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-422/page016.html

LOL, not too bright...

Afternoon Tiger is made of sweat and you're gonna tell me you can't repel it? It's unstable just like FRS which only expands it hits.

Afternoon tiger is pure air pressure sent from such a powerfully fast punch. Its pure power concentrated to smash and destroy not cut like the FRS.

If it was that easy to outmaneuver him, wouldn't Fukasaku would've done it instead of getting killed?

Fusaku has no real speed so ur point is null and just foolish!

Brute strengh has nothing to do with someone getting blasted away. Naruto has hella brute strengh in SM but he got ST'd and BT'd correct?

The point is he took the attack and got back up and kept fighting which is what Gai would do, just as kakashi did, but more times because he stronger and can take more.

Yours makes sense? Why? Because Gai wins? Gamabunta and the other Toads got brute strenght but guess what happened? The same thing tha would happen to Gai.

Bigger u are the harder u fall. Ur comparing the falling of little gai to a ginat summon which is stupid considering gravity would cause the larger mass to be far more damaged then the smaller. Basic physics!!!


It would pull in Gai and crush him right?



An ocean? Really now?



It didn't kill anyone.

Buncha crap^^^^

Gai wasnt trying to kill kisame, but capture him. Manga fact or did u forgethttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-506/page005.html

Getting info from kisame, not killing.

They were running towards pain so none of the buildings would hit them.

How do I know:



What the hell does brute strengh have to do with getting blown away?


Nothing, I was refering to being able to take such hits and keep fighting, but u guys just arent getting it.

Read above.



no he doesn't. Taijutsu isn't mid-long ranged. He is at a disadvantage if anything.



No.

Stop the wall of text dude, it's very annoying to break it down.

Ur one to talk.

Yes.



No.



Bla blha.

Now he's on to you... NLB. :p

You guys crack me up ;)

And Gai going 6 gates just to match Deva doesn't affect him negatively in the least! WOW! x10...

Nagato losing years of life and coughing up blood vs some exhaustion

Gai is always just fine after using gates besides exhaustion lmao!!!

What an intelligent comparison:rolleyes:

Nagato would already have channeled all his power into Deva so he wouldn't short-circuit for a while...

U keep telling ur self nagato would lose years of life to beat someone like Gai who he has no reason to fear for use of such a thing. Lol, really.

Channeling all his power in Deva doesn't shorten his lifespan. Nagato only uses Deva when he needs to use really powerful attacks and needs to focus his chakra in one body. Only then does it drain his life force...

U cant fucking read as usual, it shortens his life span plain as day!!!http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-429/page009.html

and what is it nagato is doing to shorten his life spanhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-430/page013.html

"focusing all his chakra into deva"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And puking up blood is self explanatory!!!

My point exactly. You said that Naruto beat Deva and I told you that Deva was worn out. This was not the FRS instance that I was talking about. It was when HG Realm absorbs his FRS and then Naruto realizes that Hell Realm is the key to Pain's ressurection, after which he is BT'd by Pain and has his Sage Chakra sucked out by HG Realm...

Deva was still powerless when HG realm did thathttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-433/page011.html

Deva didnt get his powers back till herehttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-433/page016.html

OMFG! All it takes to kill Kakashi is one massive ST. Did you see Deva using it?


Proof? A ginat ST couldnt stop a random anbu guy or warnout tsunade lol so why should it stop kakashi in one blow??

Her chakra is linked to Katsuyu... plus the mark on her forehead had disappeared. This could mean that she might have used her regeneration technique to survive getting killed by that blast. Gai can do no such thing. His muscles tear each other apart when he goes gates mode as it is...

If u would read I wouldnt have to repeat myself because it clearly says she POOLED ALL HER CHAKRA INTO LATSUAY TO SAVE THE VILLAGER and she doenst have a katsuya on her nor does random anbu guy so no....http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-430/page009.html

She cant regenerate without chakra that went to the villagers now can she!!!

Same as above.



[QUOTE]o.O

Are you sure you're not into Madara/Tobi cosplay with the Moon's Eye plan? Coz your idea is just as fail...



Keep turkey shuffling around the topic because u have nothing....

I guess I should probably stop with that bolded statement... this is ridiculous!



I forgot about that. My mistake for which I apologize...



Let's not get into that since Deva is already dead here so killing him will do nothing. Nagato will just keep reanimating him till Gai kills himself from the aftermath of using the gates...


Deva cant be revived without Hell realm around so yes he would die.

The only one being overconfident is you, exaggerating Gai's skills...

Im only explaining what the manga says and shows. Ur the one finding equal comparison of a chest skewer to a bearhug:rolleyes:


[indent]Yet, ST killed thousands of people in the village and would have killed all the remaining ninja too had it not been for Katsuyu, while Noon Tiger didn't even kill Kisame...

Proof Ginat ST killed anyone?? NONE because it didnt as far as we know, only the viallge was killed.

and again, gai was trying to capture kisame not kill as stated by the manga an why he didnt kill kisame when he was helpless.

And ur little pic means nothing compared to ur lack of reasoning and horrible interpretation of this manga

Not int trouble:rolleyes: Kakashi hiding ready to pounce his ass from the ruble after he stabs the raiton clone, but thats not trouble to the dimwitted I guess. An ambush istn any threat lol!!

pounce who's ass? Kakashi wasn't doing shit.

Raiton clone for paralysis which surprises deva meaning he didnt know http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-422/page014.html

Deva would've stabbed him with the rod not a freaking sword/machete that's a part of him.

Real kakashi ready to ambush from rublehttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-422/page016.html

Okay.

Deva realising his ass almost got ambushedhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-423/page001.html

No. He realized Kakashi was hiding.

No danger:rolleyes:

Nope, no danger.

Devas head is already at that point when kakashi hand is past where his head was through the wall so he barely missed by that much. Easy interpretation, come on. Read where his head was, then is and compare it to where kakashi hand is in comparison and u can deduce kakashi had to of missed devas head (not the wall ) by a couple inches or so.

reread the page dude. It's not even funny anymore, it's getting pathetic.

Never said that, ur making shit up!!!

am I making it up?

Gais alittle faster and far stronger with brute strength then kakashi and yet deva had so much trouble with kakashis speed and needed 3 shinrei tensais to beat kakashi after he ran out of chakra.

Anything else you want to deny?

U though an ambush from the ruble wasnt potential danger so forgive me for thinking ur full of shit and have no idea what ur talking about.

It wasn't because Kakashi couldn't really do anything in that situation.

Said probably!!! and naruto admitted he couldnt beat sasuke so suck it going of topic!!

He said probably but we all know it was manga facts.



Read the links, gai has awesome brute strength far beyond kakashis.

Brute strength won't help you when you going against ST.(See: Gamabunta.)



Its 3 STs because kakashi didnt magically end up covered in ruble from nothing when he was again mere inches from killing deva so guess what happened!!!

If you noticed, it was the same cement rock rubble in this page (http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-421/13/) that Kakashi came out of. (http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-423/16/)

Again, u and idiot if u think kakashi ended up in the ruble for no reason other then to bury himself and die:rolleyes: Deva clearly STed him!! use some basic logic and reasoning skills kid.

First you said it was for an ambush and now you say he was just waiting there to die? Make up your mind.

3 STs because kakashi doesnt have a bury in ruble waiting to die no jutsu.

The rubble went over him from the first ST. Learn to count for once.

and ur an idiot because the real kakashi came out herehttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-422/page016.html

and that was the same rubble here. (http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-421/13/)

LOL, not too bright...

The dumbass 25 year old isn't too bright, amirite?

Afternoon tiger is pure air pressure sent from such a powerfully fast punch. Its pure power concentrated to smash and destroy not cut like the FRS.

It still doesn't weigh more than a pound.



Fusaku has no real speed so ur point is null and just foolish!

Wow. -_-

The point is he took the attack and got back up and kept fighting which is what Gai would do, just as kakashi did, but more times because he stronger and can take more.

and he would lose just as Kakashi did, but more times worse. :D

Bigger u are the harder u fall. Ur comparing the falling of little gai to a ginat summon which is stupid considering gravity would cause the larger mass to be far more damaged then the smaller. Basic physics!!!

Gai's little bones can't stand the same force as Gamabunta's big bones. Seriously if he took the same amount of force, he would've died since he's smaller. It won't be as bad as Gamabunta but he'll still suffer tremendous injuries and would very likely possibly die.



Buncha crap^^^^

That's what I say about everything you try and come up with trying to counter my argument.

Gai wasnt trying to kill kisame, but capture him. Manga fact or did u forgethttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-506/page005.html

Really now? He was trying to get the scroll, he couldn't care less if Kisame died.

Getting info from kisame, not killing.

Read above.



Nothing, I was refering to being able to take such hits and keep fighting, but u guys just arent getting it.

We are saying that's not gonna matter. If he gets stabbed in vital organ, he would suffer the same as Kakashi, correct?



Ur one to talk.

You write walls of bullshit, it's not even funny.

Yes.



No.



Bla blha.

I'm posting my point not adding a bunch of unnecessary bullshit.

pounce who's ass? Kakashi wasn't doing shit.



Deva would've stabbed him with the rod not a freaking sword/machete that's a part of him.



Okay.



No. He realized Kakashi was hiding.



Nope, no danger.



reread the page dude. It's not even funny anymore, it's getting pathetic.



am I making it up?



Anything else you want to deny?



It wasn't because Kakashi couldn't really do anything in that situation.



He said probably but we all know it was manga facts.





Brute strength won't help you when you going against ST.(See: Gamabunta.)





If you noticed, it was the same cement rock rubble in this page (http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-421/13/) that Kakashi came out of. (http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-423/16/)



First you said it was for an ambush and now you say he was just waiting there to die? Make up your mind.



The rubble went over him from the first ST. Learn to count for once.



and that was the same rubble here. (http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-421/13/)



The dumbass 25 year old isn't too bright, amirite?



It still doesn't weigh more than a pound.





Wow. -_-



and he would lose just as Kakashi did, but more times worse. :D



Gai's little bones can't stand the same force as Gamabunta's big bones. Seriously if he took the same amount of force, he would've died since he's smaller. It won't be as bad as Gamabunta but he'll still suffer tremendous injuries and would very likely possibly die.





That's what I say about everything you try and come up with trying to counter my argument.



Really now? He was trying to get the scroll, he couldn't care less if Kisame died.



Read above.





We are saying that's not gonna matter. If he gets stabbed in vital organ, he would suffer the same as Kakashi, correct?





You write walls of bullshit, it's not even funny.


This is just retarded and horrible trolling. Its been a long time since I havent replied to one of these so feel lucky, u are just that much not wroth it.

I'm posting my point not adding a bunch of unnecessary bullshit.

U consider an ambush nonthreatening, that the real kakashi never appeared until the very end and deva was in no danger despite almost dieing 3 times against kakashi, points? Lol, thats just gump level deduction of a tweens manga:rolleyes:

U consider an ambush nonthreatening, that the real kakashi never appeared until the very end and deva was in no danger despite almost dieing 3 times against kakashi, points? Lol, thats just gump level deduction of a tweens manga:rolleyes:

Oh now you're butthurt you can't come up with anything?

No Im going to do u a favor and not shit on ur horrible interpretation of a tweens manga. Take it and leave.

No Im going to do u a favor and not shit on ur horrible interpretation of a tweens manga. Take it and leave.

Whatever you say, wise one.

Edit: Victory?

:cool:

Here's something to throw out there- this fight is dragging let's do a new pair.

Naruto vs Sasuke.

/ihadto

Jman vs Killerbee!!!

in the mountains!!!

KBs rapping scared away the girls Jman was peeping, GO!!!

The debate is on!

ALRIGHT THEN! KILLERBEE FTW! My guess ;)

KB-sama .

The debate is on!

ALRIGHT THEN! KILLERBEE FTW! My guess ;)

Agreed. Jamn is good, but KB is just too powerful and Jman has no way to deal with the power. Jmans forced to flee, KB wins.

Hachibi would wreck him.

ANOTHER PAIR? (I'm feeling a sense of vs debate going on) ;)

Let's keep this flowing.

Kakashi vs Tobi (version who fought minato)

In konaha training ground.

OH good one ! (let's see both pretty strong) oh who am I kidding? Tobi would dominate all over Kakashi (he has been rusty since Kishi clearly puts him out of screentime) SO TOBI:cool:

Kakashi can't hit him, Kamui wont work either. In the end Tobi wins with the unlimited amount of "chakra".

IMO, the only way kakashi could get past tobi ghosting defense is to have tobi stab a raiton clone to immobilize him from using his jutsu which should allow kakashi more then enough time to kamui, chidori or rasengan tobi a new one.

Also, kakashi could use kage bushins to get passed tobis T/S jutsu suck so once tobi goes for a clone kakashi ambushes from where hes hiding.

IDK, its hard to judge.

Ill give it 5-5 draw right now.

Kakashi vs Tobi (version who fought minato)

In konaha training ground.

There is only 1 version of tobi

lol what is that version!? O_O :p

There is only 1 version of tobi

The one that fought minato seems far more powerful then the one that fought torune and fuu IMO. That tobi was foolish enough to let torune almost take him out by touching him.

The one that fought minato seems far more powerful then the one that fought torune and fuu IMO. That tobi was foolish enough to let torune almost take him out by touching him.

LOL. tobi looked the same in both cases *fail*. He just got caught by torune jutsu that doesnt mean he is weaker that the one that fought minito.

kakashi vs tobi only have one winner tobi.
kakashi strongest attack*kamui* have no effect on tobi.
Any fight with tobi is boring all he does is warp around the battle field until he finally catch you. Same thing he did with the fourth. BORING *yawn*

at this point it seems that tobi is unbeateable. feel free to argue, but when you cant touch a character and they can kill u with a touch, then its pretty lopsided. Even after minato got a direct hit, tobi still wasnt down. Tobi doesnt show it, but hes probably the hardest person to beat because we dont know his weakness. If itachi and minato couldnt find a way to kill him, that says something.

and as for jiraiya vs kb; I dont think jiraiya has anything to combat a full fledged bijuu by himself.

I dont think jiraiya has anything to combat a full fledged bijuu by himself.

He could use seals

The one that fought minato seems far more powerful then the one that fought torune and fuu IMO. That tobi was foolish enough to let torune almost take him out by touching him.

The one that fought the fourth was also foolish to let the fourth almost take him out by a rasengan touch!!

Since both fail so hard, Its a draw

The one that fought the fourth was also foolish to let the fourth almost take him out by a rasengan touch!!


There was no foolishness. It was unavoidable.

Kakashi vs Tobi (version who fought minato)

In konaha training ground.

Fail Sensei against Fail Villain

Nice pairing.

Outcome??
Who is the bigger failure.

Ok. Kakashi kamui tobi's head. Kakashi wins

Ok. Kakashi kamui tobi's head. Kakashi wins

Kamui won't work against Tobi. It would just be a waste of chakra for Kakashi.

In Kakashi vs Tobi it depends if kamui can work on Tobi. Tobi says it won't work, but it's just his word and Kakashi didn't try to use it on him. If kamui could work then Kakashi has a chance to win by warping a part of Tobi's body away, but if it doesn't work then Tobi would win easily. I think anyone with invisible poison gas attacks or some invisible attacks would be good against Tobi because he relies on his ability to phase too often so an attack that he can't see could get him.

In Kakashi vs Tobi it depends if kamui can work on Tobi. Tobi says it won't work, but it's just his word and Kakashi didn't try to use it on him. If kamui could work then Kakashi has a chance to win by warping a part of Tobi's body away, but if it doesn't work then Tobi would win easily. I think anyone with invisible poison gas attacks or some invisible attacks would be good against Tobi because he relies on his ability to phase too often so an attack that he can't see could get him.

Thats why kage and raiton bushins are kakashi greatest weapon in this fight IMO.

Kage bushins can be used to draw out tobis T/S warp where hes vulnerable while sucking up his opponent leaving the real kakashi a chance to ambush.

And a raiton clone when stabbed could immobilize tobi from using his jutsu (the ghosting one) so kakashis attack could land while tobi nervous system is frozen solid from the raiton.

Thats why kage and raiton bushins are kakashi greatest weapon in this fight IMO.

Kage bushins can be used to draw out tobis T/S warp where hes vulnerable while sucking up his opponent leaving the real kakashi a chance to ambush.

And a raiton clone when stabbed could immobilize tobi from using his jutsu (the ghosting one) so kakashis attack could land while tobi nervous system is frozen solid from the raiton.

I guess what you say might work, Tobi so far doesn't attack from range but goes close and when he tries to attack he becomes solid so if Kakashi could lure him with his clone he might get a hit on Tobi. But it all depends if Tobi is willing to attack and expose himself to counterattack and how fast can Tobi become untouchable. Lightning clone could work, if Tobi destroys it it can paralyze him. I guess Kakashi has a chance to win even without kamui because of lightning clone. All other attacks are too slow to catch Tobi imo.

yay kakashi wins!! by points

The problem is this idiot Tobi hasn't shown us anything apart from his warping and intangibility. The one instance where we saw a glimpse was where he stopped Kubikiri Houcho with his bare hands, but apart from that, nothing. Compare this to other characters who have a lot more weapons in their arsenal and the possibility of Tobi's defeat becomes all the more probable... not definite though, since he's so difficult to catch in the first place. If only we knew more about Tobi's offensive abilities, then we would say he would win for sure, but as of now, he just sucks bigtime...

well here is my match neji vs guy
location konoha st crater
they can use everything they got
P.S. both of them want see the other death

Gai takes this 1. Unless neji can close down his chakra system before he hits gates. Who knows maybe gai can still force gates open after neji close his chakra system. I've seen more ridiculous things before

of course he can, he's Gai!

Gai takes this. The fact that u can see almost 360 doesnt mean u have the speed to dodge what's coming at u. Gai is just too fast for him. Kaiten wont help. Damn, why am I even arguing, Gai is his sensei and taught him alot of stuff. Gai wins 10:0

Gai takes this one. Neji would have had a tough time against Lee's 5 gates itself... Guy's 7 gates are out of question...

Well gai is very strong but to me Neji is strong as well its a neji for me (gotta vote for the underdogs) :cool:

Guy vs Neji

Guy 9-1 Neji
guy takes this piece of cake

Neji reveals Gai's dick size. Gai dies.

V_V oh come be serious about it xD

Gai's serious about his dick size. His spring youth comes from there.





((no seriously, I do think he would stomp Neji to the ground))

True your response has this one case closed ;)

NEXT PAIR (KEEP IT FLOWING)

Well this is not really a "pair".



Kabuto invades Konoha. Naruto, Yamato and Gai are still on the island way too late to do something about it.

Will Kabuto die, or will Konoha be removed from the map forever?

((RULES))

1> The Akatsuki that were summoned at the hideout are not summoned against Konoha.

2> The SO6P will not be summoned. That's overkill.

3> No backup-bitches. Kabuto on his own.

4> You may make up a new (not haxxed) ability/jutsu, cause we know shit about him right now.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Fight.

you're joking? no edo tensei?

kakashi, shikamaru clan, fat people clan, ino clan, hyuuga clan, anbu, root etc. vs. kabuto without edo tensei?

that's a hard one...

Like I said, alllowed to make something up as compensation for his small arsenal of jutsu's. Anything realistic and not haxxed. I can start off if you want.

Edo Tensei surely isn't his backbone. He has more bullets up his sleeve.

Kakashi alone takes this. Warps Kabuto out of existence. Kakahi 8:2

Kabuto without zombie akatsuki would lose, but with zombie akatsuki would win. The strongest clan in Konoha is Shino's clan imo, they would bug Kabuto.

Kabuto decimates konoha Kabuto walks up to the gate and meets a small band of 10 guards

He strangles them and paralyzes them and and then performs the rights for Edo tensei **poof!!!** thoom thoom thooom thoom ect ! cases arise and the doors open

1.) kimmimaro 2.) 3rd Kazekage 3.) Zabuza Mumochi 4.) 3rd Raikage5.) Hisashi Hyuuga

6.) Hanzo 7.) Jiraiya 8.) Orochimaru 9.) Danzo 10. Shisui Uchiha

he uses Hisashi to sense all the villagers and Orochimaru and Kimmimaro summon bones and snakes to kill the fodder, the third Kazekage and his iron sand is decimating and maiming ninja left and right limbs fly and Hanzo atop his Salamander commands it to eat the fallen limbs, Jiraiya and his toad summons spits oil and napalms a whole platoon Shisui body flickers and tosses ninja into the air to be split in to pieces by Danzo's Futon blades

With edo tensei, Kabuto will still lose. The problem he might face will be the shino's clan who can bug the zombies and suck them dry of chakra. That's becos nobody knows soul sealing jutsus in konoha as at now.

In the end kabuto and his zombies will run out of chakra fighting all those ppl in konoha.

Dont forget, the nara can immobilise the zombies, whilst kakashi takes on kabuto single handedly.

Konoha wins

With edo tensei, Kabuto will still lose. The problem he might face will be the shino's clan who can bug the zombies and suck them dry of chakra. That's becos nobody knows soul sealing jutsus in konoha as at now.

In the end kabuto and his zombies will run out of chakra fighting all those ppl in konoha.

Dont forget, the nara can immobilise the zombies, whilst kakashi takes on kabuto single handedly.

Konoha wins

dude seriously the golems can regenerate they can spam jutsu.. ok mount an attack to take out all 10 golems

^The zombies use chakra. fact

Shino bugs eat chakra. fact. How are they going to regenerate if their chakra is gone. 10members of shino clan is enough to take them out.

I don't think it's their chakra doing the regeneration. I think it's the jutsu itself.

^The zombies use chakra. fact

Shino bugs eat chakra. fact. How are they going to regenerate if their chakra is gone. 10members of shino clan is enough to take them out.

nope sorry Danzo's Chimera and Jiraiya did a combo attack J-main toad oil flamed the bugs adn then Danzo's chimera boosted the flames and not only roasted all the bug but burned the whole Aburame clan.. except for Shino who saw the attack coming and had his bugs eat the ground beneath him and then he stored himself underground away from the oil .. but Kimmimaro puts him in a bone prison and no'r he's about to suffocate underground

I don't think it's their chakra doing the regeneration. I think it's the jutsu itself.

chakra is physical energy mixed with the spiritual.. as long as their health sbar keeps refilling due to the physical orm going back to 100% they will have an endless supply of chakra because all they have to do is suck up spiritual chakra that balances the level of physical energy and they can just spam shit so .. my army is unstoppable

To be fair, there must be people specialized in Fuujin Jutsu in Konoha. Any powerful sealing would do to seal them away. I'm guessing a combo of Shikaku and Kakashi could take out one at a time with that method, as long as the others aren't there to gang them. The Hyuuga could help protect them with the chakra barrier thing, the Akimichi could quickly punch the others away with the mega-hands, special jounin's could do random special jutsu's to add action etc. But chance of survival is still 20%. That's why I didn't want to include Edo Tensei :/

To be fair, there must be people specialized in Fuujin Jutsu in Konoha. Any powerful sealing would do to seal them away. I'm guessing a combo of Shikaku and Kakashi could take out one at a time with that method, as long as the others aren't there to gang them. The Hyuuga could help protect them with the chakra barrier thing, the Akimichi could quickly punch the others away with the mega-hands, special jounin's could do random special jutsu's to add action etc. But chance of survival is still 20%. That's why I didn't want to include Edo Tensei :/

Oh I didn't know it was no edo .. I just thought you were excluding ninja that have already been summoned by it.. but who would yo get to cover shika and kakashi cause here comes Shisui and Hisashi.. shisui is genjutsusing everyon and body flickering and hisashi is shutting down everyones chakra supply
trust I picked a good 10 man team