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@kael: I never set anything. I said I was assuming he had MS then dismissed it because we weren't on the same page(waiting for lol backpedalling.) Itachi can activate MS before Minato throws a kunai(s) at Itachi which was the point of what I said earlier. Doesn't take long. Itachi doesn't have to keep track of the kunai, that's why he has Susano'o. Really now? He was 5 so he couldn't have seen it in action? So what? Raikage saw what the technique was and how it worked the first time Minato used it, what makes you think Itachi can't do the same? I'm not saying Itachi would always win but it would go either way and it wouldn't be as easy as a 3 step process as you're making it to be and I'm not creating scenarios. -_- I'm done.

First of all try to be a little impartial and to think things through...
and don't make asumptions only based on your preferences....if you put it your way itachi has to keep the susano'o constantly active...minato cand dodge with his ftg the attacks from itachi...so the question is not if itachi can defend from minato , but for how long he can do that.Another question qould be if minato could avoid getting trapped in a nasty genjustu.

Okay first...

A being number to in the village had intell on FTG.

Knowing that he uses Kunai with a seal isn't hard to discover. Especially since Cloud has always been known to have enough intel on the Leaf to infiltrate at least twice.

So it makes sense they have intel on the MPST revered ninja of the time.

Now A, like Madara, only knew of the Kunai w/ seals. NOt the fact he can place the seal anywhere at anytime wit a touch.

So you see A already knew a bit about the FTG before hand. remember? "Kunai with Shushin seal on them? It must be the yellow flash!"

second...

Minato vs, Itachi

Minato, "hmmm, i remember you as a child, Itachi Uchiha right?"

Itachi,with shringhan exposed, "correct, you are the 4th Hokage the most revered Hokage and the yellow flash."

Minato takes an offensive stance, "well we both know of each other"

Itachi "..." {i should be able to track his movements regardless}

minato starts making hand signs quickly

Itachi, {what? that was fast, but why is he starting with that?}

Minato, "summoning jutsu!"

Ma and Pa Toad emerge.

Ma, "minato my boy1 what is the matter?"

Pa, "hmm, sharinghan? Itachi Uchih,huh? well then let's get this over with!"

Itachi in a split second, "Fireball jutsu!"

It speeds towards them.

there is Ma and Pa's cloaks laying on the ground singed(?)

Minato is a few feet behind Itachi.

Itachi, "i saw no use of your special kunai?"

This is the leaf territory, you actually think i don't have markers all over?"

Itachi, "enough of this." MS emerges.

He loks at Minato ith the Ameratsu eye.

Minato disappears but the flame caught a piece of fabric.

Minato appears a few trees away, " he almost got me if i hadn't cut my head band in time."

"You still will not survive" it is itachi.

Minato, "What?"

Itachi, "you will not survive fourth Hokage."

Minato, looking down, "prove it."

from above, "Rasengan!" It is a clone() of Minato.

Itachi disperses he was a crow clone as well.

The cornered Minato disappears.

Minato ,"your pretty clever too."

He jumps down to the ground. he toses many shuriken then, "shuriken shadow clone jutsu!"

They turn into hundred kunai and cover the enitrie area.

Minato, "now, let's see you get past this!"

Itachi is standin beside a kunai several feet away, "i don't have too"

He points at Minato, "Tsukyomi(?)"

He is in the Genjutsu world of darkenss with Minato. Itachi, "dammit."

It was a clone.

Suddenly we are back with Itachi being held by the neck from behind by Minato and a kunai held in front of his eye.

Itachi, "how?"

Minato, "I knew you were gonna try Genjutsu pretty soon, you seem not to be the hands on type, plus that is the Uchiha main weapon besides predicting moves and copying techniques."

//It shows Minato making two clones one goes to th etree to get cornered the other steadies with the Rasengan//

Itachi, "clever what now?"

Minato,"i am sorry."

Itachi, "for what?"

Minato, "this", he stabs itachi's Left MS

Itachi is screamin gin pain and drops to his knees.

The we see Minato coming up to him, "relax Itachi, look at your hands."

Itachi looks down at gis hands and sees no blood.

Itachi, "Genjutsu? But i can see thru any non MS genjutsu. How?"

Ma an dPa tiad come from the bushes.

Pa, "you youngsters always thinking your the only one and your way is the only way."

Ma,"sound Genjutsu is not vision based, you had no idea when we did it."

//It shows Minato grabbin gthe two before the fireball hits an dappearin gover behind the bushes, they then cast th eGenjutsu on Itachi. the whole fight after that was a Genjutsu.//

Minato, "i had to show you to never think you knwo what your opponent is capable of."


Oky i wrot that to show you guys Minato has mor ethn FTG and that there are many ways th efight coud go that is one way that he won. He was a genuis above ALL geniuses, Itachi WAS included in that!

Itachi was around at the time, he grad from the Ninja Academy at 6 right before the 9 tails attack. He was looked at as a genius as well but NOT above Minato.

try to be a little impartial and to think things through.
and don't make asumptions only based on your preferences.

I had to come up with an alternative, not thinking the Karasu bunshin (http://www.leafninja.com/ninjutsu-08.php) was real.

if you put it your way itachi has to keep the susano'o constantly active...minato can dodge with his ftg the attacks from itachi...so the question is not if itachi can defend from minato , but for how long he can do that.

Like I said above, now that I know that Karasu bunshin is real, Itachi doesn't have to use Susanoo. I only said he'd use Susanoo to compensate for the fact that I wasn't sure if a jutsu was real or not so I had the lower hand with my alternative.

Another question could be if minato could avoid getting trapped in a nasty genjustu.

He can't. Minato uses FTG and Itachi uses Karasu bunshin. Minato ought to be careful because he gets caught it's game over.

@King Leonin: You shouldn't do that because no one can use that as an argument. It may be entertaining but still, all scenarios are biased no matter how fair you try to make it.

If we're talking about sheer speed, Minato sans FTG is probably faster than Itachi. Remember, Itachi was fast with his jutsu execution and was never said to be fast in sheer speed...

Okay first...

A being number to in the village had intell on FTG.

Knowing that he uses Kunai with a seal isn't hard to discover. Especially since Cloud has always been known to have enough intel on the Leaf to infiltrate at least twice.

So it makes sense they have intel on the MPST revered ninja of the time.

Now A, like Madara, only knew of the Kunai w/ seals. NOt the fact he can place the seal anywhere at anytime wit a touch.

So you see A already knew a bit about the FTG before hand. remember? "Kunai with Shushin seal on them? It must be the yellow flash!"

second...

Minato vs, Itachi

Minato, "hmmm, i remember you as a child, Itachi Uchiha right?"

Itachi,with shringhan exposed, "correct, you are the 4th Hokage the most revered Hokage and the yellow flash."

Minato takes an offensive stance, "well we both know of each other"

Itachi "..." {i should be able to track his movements regardless}

minato starts making hand signs quickly

Itachi, {what? that was fast, but why is he starting with that?}

Minato, "summoning jutsu!"

Ma and Pa Toad emerge.

Ma, "minato my boy1 what is the matter?"

Pa, "hmm, sharinghan? Itachi Uchih,huh? well then let's get this over with!"

Itachi in a split second, "Fireball jutsu!"

It speeds towards them.

there is Ma and Pa's cloaks laying on the ground singed(?)

Minato is a few feet behind Itachi.

Itachi, "i saw no use of your special kunai?"

This is the leaf territory, you actually think i don't have markers all over?"

Itachi, "enough of this." MS emerges.

He loks at Minato ith the Ameratsu eye.

Minato disappears but the flame caught a piece of fabric.

Minato appears a few trees away, " he almost got me if i hadn't cut my head band in time."

"You still will not survive" it is itachi.

Minato, "What?"

Itachi, "you will not survive fourth Hokage."

Minato, looking down, "prove it."

from above, "Rasengan!" It is a clone() of Minato.

Itachi disperses he was a crow clone as well.

The cornered Minato disappears.

Minato ,"your pretty clever too."

He jumps down to the ground. he toses many shuriken then, "shuriken shadow clone jutsu!"

They turn into hundred kunai and cover the enitrie area.

Minato, "now, let's see you get past this!"

Itachi is standin beside a kunai several feet away, "i don't have too"

He points at Minato, "Tsukyomi(?)"

He is in the Genjutsu world of darkenss with Minato. Itachi, "dammit."

It was a clone.

Suddenly we are back with Itachi being held by the neck from behind by Minato and a kunai held in front of his eye.

Itachi, "how?"

Minato, "I knew you were gonna try Genjutsu pretty soon, you seem not to be the hands on type, plus that is the Uchiha main weapon besides predicting moves and copying techniques."

//It shows Minato making two clones one goes to th etree to get cornered the other steadies with the Rasengan//

Itachi, "clever what now?"

Minato,"i am sorry."

Itachi, "for what?"

Minato, "this", he stabs itachi's Left MS

Itachi is screamin gin pain and drops to his knees.

The we see Minato coming up to him, "relax Itachi, look at your hands."

Itachi looks down at gis hands and sees no blood.

Itachi, "Genjutsu? But i can see thru any non MS genjutsu. How?"

Ma an dPa tiad come from the bushes.

Pa, "you youngsters always thinking your the only one and your way is the only way."

Ma,"sound Genjutsu is not vision based, you had no idea when we did it."

//It shows Minato grabbin gthe two before the fireball hits an dappearin gover behind the bushes, they then cast th eGenjutsu on Itachi. the whole fight after that was a Genjutsu.//

Minato, "i had to show you to never think you knwo what your opponent is capable of."


Oky i wrot that to show you guys Minato has mor ethn FTG and that there are many ways th efight coud go that is one way that he won. He was a genuis above ALL geniuses, Itachi WAS included in that!

Itachi was around at the time, he grad from the Ninja Academy at 6 right before the 9 tails attack. He was looked at as a genius as well but NOT above Minato.

I'm not an Itachi fanatic, but, some people have him twisted. I happen to follow a lot of what Itachi did because of Sasuke's need to surpass him. Maybe I'm wrong, but most of Itachi's battle begin with genjutsu, because honestly he wasn't truly trying to kill, or destroy anyone. IMHO, one can only take what Itachi did in the battle vs. Sasuke, and maybe some jutsu's from battles with Konoha Nin, other than that you're just going on paper stats, same as with Minato. Minato has been shown to be a beast, at the same time Minato hasn't ever been shown to come face to face with genjutsu, of any kind, let alone Itachi's level. That being said, I will never say that Itachi is physically faster, or can outspeed Minato, but from the battle with Sasuke, from the word go when Sasuke walked in the place, a genjutsu was cast, the clones kept pointing and directing Sasuke, someone that was Uchiha with battle ready eyes, on the doorstep of MS. Say Minato had Sage Mode, or something that made him invincible of genjutsu, then it'd be the 'walk in the park'. Say he can evade right before Itachi strikes thats believable, also say that Itachi couldn't hit him with Susanno's Sealing Sword that gu-gushed Oro, because if that hits ANYONE (except Madara), I think its curtains. If the super sword had a chance at sealing Madara, Itachi would've attempted it already, unless he was on a mission like Minato knowing that he couldn't kill Madara in a battle, and set up Sasuke.

Also Itachi uses his Amaretsu more gangsta than even Sasuke, not the Enton, but Itachi can send his mixed with his Grand Fireball Jutsu, whereas the opponent has no idea its coming. Just playing Devils Advocate, Amaretsu burns everything, why wouldn't Itachi at some point set all that Minato tossed on fire, whats Minato's move then? Personally they set him up like Naruto whereas a rasengen is always coming at some point, Sasuke's Chidori is the only thing in the manga so far that has managed to counter it to the point where both jutsu's are dispelled. So from the set up from the manga, we know at least 1 rasengen is coming and that it will hit Itachi, the only question becomes did he activate Susannoo prior to it, but also I believe that Susannoo only took some of the blast of Sasuke's Kirin, (I may be wrong), but Itachi had on more clothing prior to the strike, and Susanno dosen't undress the user. My point there is if Itachi could take Kirin, I'm thinking he could possibly take a rasengen shot from Minato and live, Madara did, and he wasn't using ocular powers besides T/S Jutsu which hasn't been deterimined as one yet.

Not in this but memory serves me with the battle between Sasuke & Itachi, the shuriken battle between the 2, but not only was he able to track Sasuke's and vice versa, he managed to get off his Crow Clone jutsu, it shocked Sasuke that he had the time. Just saying.

Comparing Sasuke to Itachi is meaningless when comparing them to Minato. Do remember that Sasuke ran out of chakra and Itachi was HOLDING BACK. Minato bested Raikage in Raiton Armor, something Sasuke hasn't done.

@King Leonin: You shouldn't do that because no one can use that as an argument. It may be entertaining but still, all scenarios are biased no matter how fair you try to make it.

I understand NL, but i did saw this is one of the many ways it could go down. i was really trying to get across that Minato was more than FTG.

BUT, so is Itachi, rememebe he gained MS AFTER he was considered a genius and being the youngest ANBU memeber.

Basically he mastered the Sharinghan NOT the MS at a young age, MS came after he was an outlaw. So itachi has more at his disposal than MS techs.

so depending on who is writing/imagining the fight would tell how it is fought.

In my honest opinion Itachi would win the first fight (MS Genjutsu/surprise) BUT could he win AGAIN against Minato? Remember MS puts a strin on Itachi, so he DOESN'T spam it like Sasuke.

But Minato has summons,tactics,FTG level 1 and 2, and Rasengan at his disposal.

You are aware that if Minato touches Itachi or his Susano'o once it's over, and he could do so painfully easily, right? Itachi has stronger moves, but there's no way in hell he'd be able to hit Minato with them, and Minato's speed allows his weaker attacks to do much, much more damage.

You are aware that if Minato touches Itachi or his Susano'o once it's over, and he could do so painfully easily, right? Itachi has stronger moves, but there's no way in hell he'd be able to hit Minato with them, and Minato's speed allows his weaker attacks to do much, much more damage.

Actually I'm not aware, whats this move that Minato has that if he touches Itachi he's dead? And please don't say rasengen, that move has killed nobody. He didn't have the rasenshuriken which killed Kazuku, and Pein Clones. Additionally with the Yata Mirror, its always been stated how great Itachi was because nobody could hit him with ANY jutsu. I'm just saying, that was spammed all over the place to diminsh Sasukes Susanno, which is fine, factual, but now we're gonna shit on him because its Minato? IMHO, we have a better idea of Minato's techs, but nobody knows how this guy battles, and I'd guess since he was a genius, nothing like Naruto. Minato is like Harashirma, Nidame, basically stats with groovy moves attached, and you've barely seen they're battle prowess, and we probably never, ever, ever, will.

Kael, I was simply responding to one thing, Itachi can focus on many targets at once, throw counter response defense, and form clones simultaneously, and that was against a 'slow' Sasuke, as u stated.

I'm not picking the victor of this battle because to me not enough information on the Minato side, but I'm wondering what response do anyone think Minato have to Itachi, Amaretsu frying all of his special kunai's. He could appear behind Itachi like with KB, or he could be landing in the wrong place within a genjutsu.

Last thing, Itachi had his MS, prior to the Uchiha Massacre, he was in a room practicing activating it, Sasuke saw him, and asked his Father about it later and he explained the MS sharingan for the first time in the manga.

Actually I'm not aware, whats this move that Minato has that if he touches Itachi he's dead? And please don't say rasengen, that move has killed nobody. He didn't have the rasenshuriken which killed Kazuku, and Pein Clones. Additionally with the Yata Mirror, its always been stated how great Itachi was because nobody could hit him with ANY jutsu. I'm just saying, that was spammed all over the place to diminsh Sasukes Susanno, which is fine, factual, but now we're gonna shit on him because its Minato? IMHO, we have a better idea of Minato's techs, but nobody knows how this guy battles, and I'd guess since he was a genius, nothing like Naruto. Minato is like Harashirma, Nidame, basically stats with groovy moves attached, and you've barely seen they're battle prowess, and we probably never, ever, ever, will.

as in he touches Itachi he places a teleport seal on Itachi and at that point it's hopeless for Itachi.

as in he touches Itachi he places a teleport seal on Itachi and at that point it's hopeless for Itachi.

The Yata Mirror was carried by Itachi's Susanoo in it's left hand. It is considered one of the three sacred treasures and is endowed with all nature transformations, it can change its own characteristics depending on the characteristics of the attack it receives, making the technique ineffective.

Nice hype write up, but very vague, if 'all techniques attempted would be rendered ineffective' were there it'd be clearer. Honestly everybody could assume Minato by speed techs, and because he was a Kage, but not really enough information on Minato, and questions about Itachi whom truly never really tried to fight IMHO make this a toss up battle and up to the interpretation of whatever author that writes it.

The Yata Mirror was carried by Itachi's Susanoo in it's left hand. It is considered one of the three sacred treasures and is endowed with all nature transformations, it can change its own characteristics depending on the characteristics of the attack it receives, making the technique ineffective.

Nice hype write up, but very vague, if 'all techniques attempted would be rendered ineffective' were there it'd be clearer. Honestly everybody could assume Minato by speed techs, and because he was a Kage, but not really enough information on Minato, and questions about Itachi whom truly never really tried to fight IMHO make this a toss up battle and up to the interpretation of whatever author that writes it.

The Yata Mirror is a shield. It does not protect the whole of Susano'o. This is painfully obvious.

No one, not Itachi, not Madara, neither Naruto nor Sasuke, no one would be able to defend themselves from an instantaneous fatal blow. And that's exactly what Minato's style is. Had he not stopped to yell "I CAN'T FAIL", KB would be dead right now. He blasted Madara in the back with Rasengan faster than he could possibly even comprehend what had happened. Madara is also the person who was easily capable of avoiding Raikage's strike in spite of its speed just because he was able to see that shit coming.

Seriously. Itachi would not have a chance of defending himself if Minato tagged him. No one would.

Minato vs itachi???

Itachi actually stands a good chance in this fight. WHy?

1. Sasanoo, even just partial can protect him from FTG attacks.
2. His SG can follow minatos shushin speed and track his kunai.
3. Hes very analytical and a brilliant strategist.

Minato and itachi are even in physical speed, reflexes and intellect. SO it comes down to superior strategy to determine the winner. Minatos going to attack first and itachis going to activate sasanoo because hes going to know about minatos T/S jutsu rep. So, after one FTG attack itachis going to figure out how minato uses the kunai for the his T/S jutsu. Meanwhile, minatos going to try and find a way into sasanoo.

IMO, itachis going to use amaterasu on all the kunai minato places around the battle field to limit minatos movements and with his SG, track the kunai minato throws, amaterasu the kunai so if minato grabs it hes done. So, with minato kunai useless he going to have to rely on his blood tag seals by hand. Placing them in random places for defense against amaterasu.

Now, one of two things are going to happen.

1. Either minato is going to place a seal on the ground, place another seal on sasanoo, then summon itachi in sasanoo directly over that seal so minato can summon himself inside sasanoo with itachi and deliver a death blow. All while trying to avoid tsukuyomi, amaterasu, Karasu bushin and the sword of totsuka.

2. Or, itachi is going drop sasanoo to leave himself vulnerable, throw some kunai to see if minato teleports or not. if not itachis going to attack head with a kunai drawing minato into a shushin match of speed. However, itachi lets minato win and takes the hit from a kunai or rasengan while just barelay activating a very partial version of sasanoo to dampen the blow from minato, just to get a hold of minato so even if minato FTGs, hes going to take itachi with him. Then itachi can use eye contact for tsukuyomi which is instanwin or amaterasu which is as well.

Or, when itachi lets down sasanoo and throws some kunai, he creates a Kage bushin so even if minato uses the FTG level 2 and teleports behind the Kage bushin, itachi can grab minato with sasanoo while hes focused on the rasengan he putting into the KB. Then, yet again, even if minato tries to teleport away itachi with sasanoo will com with him. At that point itachi can just crush minato with sasanoos brute strength or use amaterasu, tsukuyomi....ect.

or, because minato didnt refrain from eye contact when he fought tobi. Itachi could use tsukuyomi when they charge eachother or even use basic genjutsu to force minato to attack an amaterasu covered part of the batttle field, thus causing minato to go up in flames.

Basically, minatos best chance at defeating itachi is to draw out the fight and force itachi to use sasanoo for too long causing his sickness to drain his chakra leaving him completely helpless to any attack. However, itachi knows of his lack of stamina when using sasanoo so I doubt he would drag it out too long. Itachis ability to create KBs and substitute them fro himself at god like speed is his specialty so he may not need to use sasanoo for too long. Just long anough to protect himself from minatos FTG while limiting minatos movements by amaterasuing all of the kunai minato has placed around the battle field.

It could go either way. The same with sasuke vs minato. Its sasanoo that even allows sasuke and itachi a chance at beating minato. Without it like against the raikage. Sasuke wouldve been dead quickly.

The Yata Mirror is a shield. It does not protect the whole of Susano'o. This is painfully obvious.

No one, not Itachi, not Madara, neither Naruto nor Sasuke, no one would be able to defend themselves from an instantaneous fatal blow. And that's exactly what Minato's style is. Had he not stopped to yell "I CAN'T FAIL", KB would be dead right now. He blasted Madara in the back with Rasengan faster than he could possibly even comprehend what had happened. Madara is also the person who was easily capable of avoiding Raikage's strike in spite of its speed just because he was able to see that shit coming.

Seriously. Itachi would not have a chance of defending himself if Minato tagged him. No one would.

Not saying he can't, but if means theres not 100 percent assurity due to the set up of the manga, Itachi not actually being an evil entity, and Minato with incomplete battles on panel. Its not possible for Minato to have lived his life as perfectly as its set up, in the manga he's a perfect guy who's never failed at anything, and achieved everything he tried, everytime. Life wasn't that easy for any other character within the whole manga. For those whom didn't understand my calling Naruto, Jesus 2.0, Minato's 1.0, without any hard work, any stumbling blocks, and his only fallicy in life came at his sons birth, which was the end of his life. Sorry, Minato seems as realistic as Ridoku the Ninja Clown. Every other character has had some hardship upon themselves, Harashirma, Nidame, Sarutobi, Tsunade, all of the Sannin, everyone in the Chuunin Exams, hell people off screen, White Fang, and the list goes endless. Minato's too perfect for me, somethings off about that. He's not even spoken to, or was at all traumatized by Obito's death, he just kept it moving, it unlocked nothing, not even a conversation from Yellow Flash the Wonder Boy. Imagine Sasuke was killed during a mission, I can't imagine Kakashi saying nothing, EVER, and keeping it moving.

So what you're saying here is you're biased for reasons that really have no basis? Where are you getting that Minato had "no hard work". He trained with Jiraiya for years, he mastered the Uzumaki sealing techniques despite lacking the natural affinity for it that they had, he created a virtually flawless assassination technique that no one in the manga has been able to replicate, he found a way to summon a Shinigami in order to cast a seal, and he devised a way to allow a human being to create an attack of the same nature as the Bijuu Bomb. It's blatantly stated that Minato took 3 years of experimentation, training, and creating to finally make the rasengan in its incomplete form. You think he just sat on his ass for 2 years and 364 days until he went "eureka!" and created the rasengan right then?

What do you even mean by "incomplete battles on panel"? We see him wreck dozens of Iwa ninja in Kakashi Gaiden, we know that he killed 50 in the blink of an eye without anything going wrong, we saw him anticlimactically own Madara, and we saw this battle from 523 end when he had to retreat due to orders.

We don't know nearly enough about his life to make the kinds of assumptions you're making. Besides, nothing matters here in the VS thread except pure fighting capability. And Minato has Itachi chumped in that.

So what you're saying here is you're biased for reasons that really have no basis? Where are you getting that Minato had "no hard work". He trained with Jiraiya for years, he mastered the Uzumaki sealing techniques despite lacking the natural affinity for it that they had, he created a virtually flawless assassination technique that no one in the manga has been able to replicate, he found a way to summon a Shinigami in order to cast a seal, and he devised a way to allow a human being to create an attack of the same nature as the Bijuu Bomb. It's blatantly stated that Minato took 3 years of experimentation, training, and creating to finally make the rasengan in its incomplete form. You think he just sat on his ass for 2 years and 364 days until he went "eureka!" and created the rasengan right then?

What do you even mean by "incomplete battles on panel"? We see him wreck dozens of Iwa ninja in Kakashi Gaiden, we know that he killed 50 in the blink of an eye without anything going wrong, we saw him anticlimactically own Madara, and we saw this battle from 523 end when he had to retreat due to orders.

We don't know nearly enough about his life to make the kinds of assumptions you're making. Besides, nothing matters here in the VS thread except pure fighting capability. And Minato has Itachi chumped in that.

Nah, look at the 'Geniuses'... Itachi, had many hardships from very young, till his death. Orochimaru, the same, now the almost Geniuses, Sarutobi, Harashirma, Nidame, Kabuto, Kakashi, and even the powerhouses, Naruto, Nagato, Jiraiya, etc. Being related to Minato gives anyone status nearly up to Ridoku in the set up of characters. I'm not saying that he's complete either, but with whats been given about Minato, nobodies questioned anything at all about the guy, except maybe his decision to die with Kushina. His character needs more balance, he's currently beyond Wow, and has been there since his name was first mentioned. It's hard to go that many years with a character maintaining said status, it means they did everything perfect, all the stars aligned for them perfectly whenever needed, and they were basically, perfect. I personally don't eat 'Perfect' frequently, and even then its something that draws me to the Dude. Perfect becomes boring to me, and unexpected, but as stated theres still work on this guys background, supposed struggles, and possible shortcomings. I don't think any shinobi beyond Madara & Nagato were lazy, and power was they're reason, but to me hard workers are Naruto, Rock Lee, Gai, and while some may believe that Minato worked that hard, I'm one to believe that a genius will take a break, and or rely on his/her hax if given the same exercise regimine of those 3. I may be wrong, but its just my belief. Lastly, Minato hit Madara with a Rasengen after a nice set up with his special Kunai, and avoided Madara's warp. It was simply a counter exercise like Itachi & Sasuke, and Madara wound up on the surprized side about his summoning ability being dispelled, and got hit by a regular jutsu in this manga. Thats all, I won't overhype either of them during that battle because it was pretty much equal. Minato came out the victor and I'm not hating on that, but he didn't kill Madara, no ones shown the ability to do that thus far. Madara for being an Uchiha with supposed hax'd dojutsu attempted nothing with his powers. IMHO the Dude that fought Harashirma, and Minato were 2 different people, they had different eyes and thats fakt.

Another major mistake in assumption is that Hiraishin is Minato's "last ditch attack". He just doesn't believe in that, he uses the tagging system right off the word go.

P.S. Did KYF just say that Itachi was Minato's equal in speed and reflexes???

Minato came out the victor and I'm not hating on that, but he didn't kill Madara, no ones shown the ability to do that thus far.

If madara had stayed a bit longer we would've found that out...

Madara for being an Uchiha with supposed hax'd dojutsu attempted nothing with his powers. IMHO the Dude that fought Harashirma, and Minato were 2 different people, they had different eyes and thats fakt.

the teleportation was attempted with what, his looks?
What don't u understand about him(madara) being damaged so bad by shodaime that he's a former shell of himself? And u think minato praised as the genius used all his arsenal?

If madara had stayed a bit longer we would've found that out...



the teleportation was attempted with what, his looks?
What don't u understand about him(madara) being damaged so bad by shodaime that he's a former shell of himself? And u think minato praised as the genius used all his arsenal?

Teleportation by Madara is an assumed part of his sharingan, its not confirmed, I stated that though. And nobody understands about Madara's damage, its just a story never seen by anyone, except this supposed Madara, and the guy on his wall like art, Harashirma. I'm just being honest, its easy to say Madara got wrecked, you can look at all the stats, listen to pieces of the story vaguely written, then u get a couple of statues that Sasuke and Naruto fought on top of. It's strange, unless Harashirma's DNA will go into some container, or some ceremony to join with all of the bijuus, and other shit he has going, to make his Moons Eye Plan work, one would think that battle woulda been flashbacked to besides more than a artist born picture since everything in the ninja world hindged on that battle. Honestly I could also expect to see they're battle in the background of Sasuke, vs. Naruto with only flashes of parts of their battle, yup just like in the stupid videogame. Its the easiest way of showing they're battle, (of course not the whole thing), attempt to fill a plot hole, and get away with being lazy while nOObs say, 'wow, cool effect'. I'd think wow cool way to peddle the greatness of this battle sense forever, build statues to the event, and give me few if any specifics on the characters, their personas, and they're techniques, great job.

Another major mistake in assumption is that Hiraishin is Minato's "last ditch attack". He just doesn't believe in that, he uses the tagging system right off the word go.

P.S. Did KYF just say that Itachi was Minato's equal in speed and reflexes???

Shushin speed which is why I said PHYSICAL speed, not T/S jutsu related. If itachi was as fast as the FTG then he wouldnt need sasanoo. He could just create a ton of Kage bushins and overwhelm minato.

And why the hell minato wouldn't use his ftg to beat itachi? ....itachi had tremendous speed with his seals and maybe reflexes but his shushin was below minato's.

And why the hell minato wouldn't use his ftg to beat itachi? ....itachi had tremendous speed with his seals and maybe reflexes but his shushin was below minato's.

Nobodies side, explaining what KYF and I assumed, Itachi's supposed to be a genius, survey says he knows about FTG, and when Minato tosses them and they hit the ground, Itachi instantly begins Amaretsu flames on them, it supposedly burns everything. Not saying thats a win for Itachi, (don't know) but that would stop FTG, IMHO he'd warp in to fire, so he wouldn't use that anymore within the battle.

Nobodies side, explaining what KYF and I assumed, Itachi's supposed to be a genius, survey says he knows about FTG, and when Minato tosses them and they hit the ground, Itachi instantly begins Amaretsu flames on them, it supposedly burns everything. Not saying thats a win for Itachi, (don't know) but that would stop FTG, IMHO he'd warp in to fire, so he wouldn't use that anymore within the battle.

@Bolded: Wait, wut? Itachi was 5 when Minato died. How the hell would he know about FTG when Minato's own TEAM had no clue? I even posted a panel where he used FTG to rescue Kakashi and Rin thought it was Shunshin. Also, Minato's fodder forces didn't know about the kunai. So tell me how "survey says" Itachi knew about FTG?

@Bolded: Wait, wut? Itachi was 5 when Minato died. How the hell would he know about FTG when Minato's own TEAM had no clue? I even posted a panel where he used FTG to rescue Kakashi and Rin thought it was Shunshin. Also, Minato's fodder forces didn't know about the kunai. So tell me how "survey says" Itachi knew about FTG?

Because this is a fight kind like 'What If' in Marvel I assumed. Its been already determined that Itachi can track multiple targets simultaneously, thats fakt, and Minato dosen't throw them with some extreme speed that ive seen. Itachi mindset, 'WTF he's not trying to hit me with those?', then on to his offense. Note I've never said Itachi could defeat Minato, just playing Devils Advocate, its not like Itachi hasn't seen T/S jutsus IMHO, Madara assisted in the Massacre and was doing it at Naruto's birth, something says during the Massacre its something Itachi saw, or knew of. Because of that Itachi has an advantage over prolly most of anyone whom is set up to face Minato. Don't know if he has an answer for it, but it wouldn't surpize him as much. Additionlly Minato's Yellow Flash, his story comes into the battle arena before he gets there, and if this is vs. aren't all cards on the table, no secrets?

Nobodies side, explaining what KYF and I assumed, Itachi's supposed to be a genius, survey says he knows about FTG, and when Minato tosses them and they hit the ground, Itachi instantly begins Amaretsu flames on them, it supposedly burns everything. Not saying thats a win for Itachi, (don't know) but that would stop FTG, IMHO he'd warp in to fire, so he wouldn't use that anymore within the battle.

Assuming both Minato & Itachi are fully aware of each others techs.

Minato can use a kage bunshin to draw Itachi's attention while he uses a space time barrier to redirect the amaterasu back at Itachi alon with the kunais, Itachi will be forced to extinguish the black flames, and now its all clear for Minato to use ftg for sneak attacks and force Itachi to keep his mangekyo techs activated draining his chakra.
Itachi being a genius will definetly see through Minato's strategy but I don't think he'll be able to do anything about it.
If Minato succeeds in putting a ftg seal on Itachi then its game over for Itachi. But it'll be difficult for Minato to put a seal on Itachi as he will be extra careful not to let Minato get closer but again he'll have to rely on his mangekyo for that.
Only way for Itachi to succeed is to trap Minato in his tsukiyomi early in the battle which I doubt Minato will let him do.

Assuming both Minato & Itachi are fully aware of each others techs.

Minato can use a kage bunshin to draw Itachi's attention while he uses a space time barrier to redirect the amaterasu back at Itachi alon with the kunais, Itachi will be forced to extinguish the black flames, and now its all clear for Minato to use ftg for sneak attacks and force Itachi to keep his mangekyo techs activated draining his chakra.
Itachi being a genius will definetly see through Minato's strategy but I don't think he'll be able to do anything about it.
If Minato succeeds in putting a ftg seal on Itachi then its game over for Itachi. But it'll be difficult for Minato to put a seal on Itachi as he will be extra careful not to let Minato get closer but again he'll have to rely on his mangekyo for that.
Only way for Itachi to succeed is to trap Minato in his tsukiyomi early in the battle which I doubt Minato will let him do.

Devils Advocate (not trying to piss off anybody, but put more imaginatiion than Kishi in a battle), I'm assuming that you mean for Minato to simply send Amaretsu flames back to Itach that he sent to Minato in the first place... but the only individual that actually out ran the speed of Amaretsu is Raichu, so not saying he can't but what you're saying is while its in route somehow Yellow Flash allows it to burn something (or it would extinguish I'd assume with nothing to burn) then send that back to Itachi. That seems hard, and I'm not gonna say that Itachi is fast as either Minato, or Raichu, but he's not that slow amongst other shinobi and has tended to be a 'moving' target in all his battles except the end with Sasuke & his Susannoo. I'll give it to him he's one of the few shinobi that understood chakra use, limits, and living within your means, so he uses his chakra also a lot more smartly than those merely spamming techs, he wasn't a spammer, I'll give him that.

Additionlly Minato's Yellow Flash, his story comes into the battle arena before he gets there,

His nickname comes to the field, so Itachi would know he is facing one of the fastest ninja to ever live (quoted by Raikage, btw). His "story" is that he is fast enough to defeat entire platoons in seconds, not how it's done.

and if this is vs. aren't all cards on the table, no secrets?

Wut? When did that EVER come to play in any of the other fights? Why would 2 ninja go fight each other with no surprises? It makes no sense. None of the more recent match-ups ever mentioned each person knowing the capabilities of the other. Itachi not knowing about Minato's T/S skills would be the same as Minato not knowing anything about Itachi's skills if this was a real fight of the generational geniuses. As I've said in the past, Itachi was 5 when Minato died, meaning he's never seen Minato fight. But the same goes for Minato, he died before Itachi entered the academy and would have no idea about Itachi's abilities.

u have to account for the fact we havent seen all of minatos abilities. it was said he was taught uzumaki sealing techs and he has shown good ability with time space techs. it was speculated he used the lightning element but we havent seen that yet and we also havent seen him have to go all out so to speak

Huu Lightning element since when? Minato probably doesn't have an ass load of tecs to begin with. He was made famous because of one very effective tec. The sealing abilities passed down from his wife relate to the FTG seals & DG.

PS: Even if Itachi knows about FTG it doesn't matter since he'd be by himself. Itachi's only chance here is if he's able to get Minato in Tsukuyomi. If Itachi is unable to trap Minato within the first second of combat with Tsukuyomi then there would be nothing he could do to stop Minato. At best he could block an attack from behind with Susanoo however Susanoo's attacks wouldn't be fast enough to touch Minato. & by that point Minato would be warping around the area so fast that Itachi wouldn't be able to lock on for Amaterasu. Basically Itachi would kill himself by overusing Susanoo since he'd have to keep it constantly up in order to guard from Minato's attacks.

it was speculated he used the lightning element

lolwut? When was that ever mentioned in anything remotely considered canon? Even speculation of it. He's never shown any indication that he has an affinity to lightning.

I could go with both of Kael, & Veng said, not in a good mood anyhow, my Niece just passed.

I'm sorry to hear that. Was she ill or something.

I'm assuming that you mean for Minato to simply send Amaretsu flames back to Itach that he sent to Minato in the first place... but the only individual that actually out ran the speed of Amaretsu is Raichu, so not saying he can't but what you're saying is while its in route somehow Yellow Flash allows it to burn something (or it would extinguish I'd assume with nothing to burn) then send that back to Itachi.

I was talking about these flames,
when Minato tosses them(kunais) and they hit the ground, Itachi instantly begins Amaretsu flames on them, it supposedly burns everything.
and as we have all seen, the amaterasu flames continue to burn for a while on whatever it makes contact with (remember Jiraiya sealing the black flames). So I m sure Minato will be able to redirect them with his space time barrier technique.

That seems hard, and I'm not gonna say that Itachi is fast as either Minato, or Raichu, but he's not that slow amongst other shinobi and has tended to be a 'moving' target in all his battles except the end with Sasuke & his Susannoo.

Thats why there is a kage bunshin to draw Itachi's attention, still Itachi most probably will be able to dodge the redirected black flames.
But thats not the point I was trying to make, just wanted to show how Minato could have dealt with amaterasu in your post.

I'll give it to him he's one of the few shinobi that understood chakra use, limits, and living within your means, so he uses his chakra also a lot more smartly than those merely spamming techs, he wasn't a spammer, I'll give him that.

The manga is filled with shinobies that understood chakra use & limitations. Take Shikamaru for example, he knew the extent of his abilities since he was a genin. There are times when you are pushed beyond your limits no matter how efficient & smart you are with your abilities & techs.

I'm sorry to hear that. Was she ill or something.



I was talking about these flames,

and as we have all seen, the amaterasu flames continue to burn for a while on whatever it makes contact with (remember Jiraiya sealing the black flames). So I m sure Minato will be able to redirect them with his space time barrier technique.



Thats why there is a kage bunshin to draw Itachi's attention, still Itachi most probably will be able to dodge the redirected black flames.
But thats not the point I was trying to make, just wanted to show how Minato could have dealt with amaterasu in your post.



The manga is filled with shinobies that understood chakra use & limitations. Take Shikamaru for example, he knew the extent of his abilities since he was a genin. There are times when you are pushed beyond your limits no matter how efficient & smart you are with your abilities & techs.

I was talking about the use of his own MS, he maintained it from the time Sasuke was a boy, and thoughout his prior battles up to Sasuke he maximized his talents even with an illness, without usning his MS, that was a feat IMHO because he was an outlaw, and for whom was coming after him various times.

Btw, my Niece had a problem with asthma, she had gone to the hospital by ambulance prolly 5 or 6 major times in her life. She had an attack, her breathing machine wasn't helping, she passed out, by the time help beyond my Sis came, and they got oxygen in her system, the estimate was 20min no oxygen, her brain died. She was 14. Thanks for asking, got a funeral to get ready for.

That was most unfortunate, I'm sorry for your loss.

Nobodies side, explaining what KYF and I assumed, Itachi's supposed to be a genius, survey says he knows about FTG, and when Minato tosses them and they hit the ground, Itachi instantly begins Amaretsu flames on them, it supposedly burns everything. Not saying thats a win for Itachi, (don't know) but that would stop FTG, IMHO he'd warp in to fire, so he wouldn't use that anymore within the battle.

Itachis eyes would not be able to keep up. Sasuke's Ameratsu couldnt catch the Raikage, and The Fourth moves almost instantaneous, if he can dodge Raikages punch when it is inches from his face. Either the fourth would place a million Kunai and wait for itachis eyes to bleed to death, or Itachi simpy wouldnt be able to keep up. This would be a good fight though, especially sense they're both genuises

Minato is a boring character to use in Naruto hypothetical fight scenarios. He is too broken, which limits the people who stand a chance against him to 2-3. To make it interesting ( maybe ) people might have to go off manga for opponents.

Itachis eyes would not be able to keep up. Sasuke's Ameratsu couldnt catch the Raikage, and The Fourth moves almost instantaneous, if he can dodge Raikages punch when it is inches from his face. Either the fourth would place a million Kunai and wait for itachis eyes to bleed to death, or Itachi simpy wouldnt be able to keep up. This would be a good fight though, especially sense they're both genuises

That happened after Minato threw the special kunais all over the place, and as noted in the Sasuke vs. Itachi shuriken battle, he can track several targets at once and even produce clones. So its not impossible for Itachi to with Amaretsu burn all of the kunai, or even a large percentage offering an area, or zone in which Minato couldn't use those against him he'd be warping into fire, or of course The Flying Thunder God which is what he used to pop up behind KB, no kunai. I understand all that, and not a big Itachi fan, he aiight, just as I said before playing devils advocate vs. the great Minato. Too perfect of a Dude, for me, but he kicked ass, Narutoverses Superman. More interesting overall than Naruto, but the more they show him the more perfect he becomes, its starting to move into the irritating/disgusting zone. But I'm a Uchihatard so thats normal for us.

Uchiha Madara vs uchiha madara who would win, and how?

Uchiha Madara vs uchiha madara who would win, and how?

Uchiha Madara has the advantage, since his name has 2 caps and his opponent has none. On a serious note ( not ), it would all depend on how well each would use their pokemon.

Each possess a Neo 6 paths and Gedo Mazo.

That happened after Minato threw the special kunais all over the place, and as noted in the Sasuke vs. Itachi shuriken battle, he can track several targets at once and even produce clones. So its not impossible for Itachi to with Amaretsu burn all of the kunai, or even a large percentage offering an area, or zone in which Minato couldn't use those against him he'd be warping into fire, or of course The Flying Thunder God which is what he used to pop up behind KB, no kunai. I understand all that, and not a big Itachi fan, he aiight, just as I said before playing devils advocate vs. the great Minato.

Minato would beat Itachi. If he could hit Madara than he could definately get Itachi

Uchiha Madara has the advantage, since his name has 2 caps and his opponent has none. On a serious note ( not ), it would all depend on how well each would use their pokemon.

Each possess a Neo 6 paths and Gedo Mazo.

hmm what if Uchiha Madara used Bulbazar? And uchiha madara used Bulbazar as well?

How about Naruto at the time he fought Pain against the 3rd Hokage.

How about Naruto at the time he fought Pain against the 3rd Hokage.
Naruto wins.

Naruto wins.

With talk-no-jutsu

[QUOTE=hillhawk;1954770]How about Naruto at the time he fought Pain against the 3rd Hokage.[/QUOWell if the third hokage is old. plus we havent seen too much of him I guess. Naruto would probably win. Oh yea since he has the nine tails six tailed

How about Evil Kid Buu vs Madara

How about Evil Kid Buu vs Madara

Easy, Evil Kid Buu, he was breaking his foot off in God's asses until Goku came to save THEM. Madara's trying to control the whole world from the area the size of 4 or 5 U.S. States, not even fair the asswhuppin he'd take.

Buu could just blow up the planet. I don't think Madara could live without oxygen.

He would use izanagi tu turn dreams into reality

^wonder what he would do with nightmares...

He would just use henge no jutsu to hide that he pissed his pants.

Any 'evil' character in DB, or DBZ since Piccilo would destoy the entire Alliance, every Kage ever, every Akatsuki member, every criminal, and anyone ever born in that realm (including Ridoku, Madara, his Brother, they're Daddy, and his Daddy) within 5 minutes. And all at the same time.

Omega Shenron hitting them with a Negative Karma Ball.

Kisame vs Kakuzu

Kisame vs Kakuzu

I'm going Kisame, especially if he has Samehada, Kazuku is in a fight without chakra. No way he can conserve, or stop Kisame from taking it. The Giant Water Bubble Battlefield could be a problem if Kazuku could muster some type of lighteneing attack that could slow Kisame down, other than that, he won't have the chakra to use those hearts, IMHO. Kazuku shoulda been a better shinobi, he went out like a str8 sucka. Kisame was more like a leech with stats, that lingered until he was no longer useful and fed himself to his own summons, thats Grant Hill in my book.

Rematch with power ups:

Minato namikaze VS Tobi with his new SG/RG power.

(note: tobi can now use RG jutsu as well as true Izanagi jutsu like the sages, but limited to his chakra level.
And minato can use all his jutsu including now the thunder element (water+lightning) since hes the flying thunder god and we know he was going to add an element to his rasengan, but couldnt use KBS like naruto did)

In Konaha crater...GO!

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And minato can use all his jutsu including now the thunder element (water+lightning)

When exactly did Minato acquire the Storm element? Since that is what Raiton and Suiton combine to make. By the way, "thunder" is just a sound that is created by lightning heating the air and increasing the barometric pressure in the area of the bolt, creating a sonic shock wave.

since hes the flying thunder god

He wasn't known as the "Flying Thunder God" you half-wit. He was called the "Yellow Flash" because of his Hiraishin no Jutsu, or translated as "Flying Thunder God Technique".

and we know he was going to add an element to his rasengan, but couldnt use KBS like naruto did)

How do you figure a Kage, one of the strongest Kages and said to be a genius you find once in a generation, couldn't do Kage Bushin? He couldn't finish the Rasengan because, on top of the 3 years it took him to even create the base Rasengan, he DIED before he could complete it. This was stated in the manga.

So, now we're adding imaginary abilities to characters ?

Sweet !!!

Sakura with Curtana Original from Toaru vs Ino wearing Andromeda's 3rd cloth from Saint Saiya

Who takes it ???????????????

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When exactly did Minato acquire the Storm element? Since that is what Raiton and Suiton combine to make. By the way, "thunder" is just a sound that is created by lightning heating the air and increasing the barometric pressure in the area of the bolt, creating a sonic shock wave.


I gave it to him through his name of his best jutsu, Flying thunder God jutsu.

He wasn't known as the "Flying Thunder God" you half-wit. He was called the "Yellow Flash" because of his Hiraishin no Jutsu, or translated as "Flying Thunder God Technique".

When minato uses his T/S jutsu, there must be some comparison of minato to a the thunder god otherwise why name the jutsu "flying thunder god"? We can dedue why the flying is there (because of the speed of the jutsu), but the thunder god part must be from someting else so I gave it to him because of that, get over. I gave tobi true Izanagi even though he doesnt possess a sharinnegan, only a SG eye and RG eye.



How do you figure a Kage, one of the strongest Kages and said to be a genius you find once in a generation, couldn't do Kage Bushin? He couldn't finish the Rasengan because, on top of the 3 years it took him to even create the base Rasengan, he DIED before he could complete it. This was stated in the manga.

How do u figure title makes characters capable of kage bushin??

Kakashi said himself that minato didnt have the skills to complete the element+rasengan jutsu. Read the damn manga for crying out load...
Thishttp://www.mangareader.net/93-326-12/naruto/chapter-321.html

andhttp://www.mangareader.net/93-326-13/naruto/chapter-321.html

Stamina being kakashis problem and IMO, no kage bushin usage was minatos problem since hes so powerful and has never used a kage bushin.
Again, where do u get the idea that the title of kage comes with use of any A ranked jutsu? Tsunade, hasshirama and tobirama didnt use KBs either so ur logic is way off on this one.

I merely gave minato the thunder element because of the name with his T/S jutsu and the fact minato had an element (as stated by kakashi), but not the skills to combine it with his rasengan.

I gave it to him through his name of his best jutsu, Flying thunder God jutsu.

So you're making shit up? Ok.

When minato uses his T/S jutsu, there must be some comparison of minato to a the thunder god otherwise why name the jutsu "flying thunder god"? We can dedue why the flying is there (because of the speed of the jutsu), but the thunder god part must be from someting else so I gave it to him because of that, get over. I gave tobi true Izanagi even though he doesnt possess a sharinnegan, only a SG eye and RG eye.

I zoned out when I saw "sharinnegan" what's your argument again? Oh, the FTG name. Well, the "rai" in "hiraishin" generally translates into "lightning". Did you ever stop to think that it's called the "Flying Thunder God Technique" because Minato "flies" to the location of the seal at the speed of light?

How do u figure title makes characters capable of kage bushin??

Because Konohamaru is able to use it. If that retard can do it, it's not beyond the skill of the person declared the strongest in the village.

Kakashi said himself that minato didnt have the skills to complete the element+rasengan jutsu. Read the damn manga for crying out load...

For one, it's "loud" not "load". And second, I do read the manga, better than you do. Minato created the Rasengan to add his own elemental affinity to. It took him 3 years to perfect the base Rasengan. Why would he waste that much effort on a jutsu he couldn't finish? We know he knows the strengths and weaknesses of a jutsu just from seeing it done once. He MADE THE RASENGAN. He would've realized he didn't have the talent to mix his own element into it. He died before he had a chance to finish it.

By the way, I would like to know how you figure he would've been able to add a kekkei genkai blended element into the Rasengan if you're claiming he couldn't even add his own?

Stamina being kakashis problem

Kakashi said it required a talent that was beyond his skills, not because of his stamina.

and IMO, no kage bushin usage was minatos problem since hes so powerful and has never used a kage bushin.

He can decimate entire platoons in the blink of an eye with Hiraishin, why would he need to use Kage Bushin?

Again, where do u get the idea that the title of kage comes with use of any A ranked jutsu? hasshirama didnt use KBs either so ur logic is way off on this one.

How do you figure Hashirama didn't use it when it was on the scroll HE CREATED? The same scroll Naruto stole and learned Kage Bushin from in the beginning of the damn manga.

I merely gave minato the thunder element because of the name with his T/S jutsu and the fact minato had an element (as stated by kakashi), but not the skills to combine it with his rasengan.

So you're making shit up to appear smart, gotcha.

Gaara vs Onooki

Gaara can use his sand virtually to do anything, while onooki i think is limited by chakra with his dust release. I will give this one to gaara.

So you're making shit up? Ok.



I zoned out when I saw "sharinnegan" what's your argument again? Oh, the FTG name. Well, the "rai" in "hiraishin" generally translates into "lightning". Did you ever stop to think that it's called the "Flying Thunder God Technique" because Minato "flies" to the location of the seal at the speed of light?


Did I not say that it was a educated guess in my first post? Yes! U cant read...

Learn to read! I mentioned the fact tobi doesnt have a sharinngan yet I allowed him true Izanagi usage which is another reason I gave minato the thunder element.
and NO. Minatos T/S jutsu is faster then the speed of light because it uses the wormhole concept cutting through dimensions to reach the kunai, not becoming a mass of light and rematerializing.

Because Konohamaru is able to use it. If that retard can do it, it's not beyond the skill of the person declared the strongest in the village.


So because konahamaru can use KBs minato can? Despite the fact he has never used any once.. Not once. The title of hokage proves minato could use them despite his first 2 predecessors not being able to use them either?
LOL! Logical... NOT...

For one, it's "loud" not "load". And second, I do read the manga, better than you do. Minato created the Rasengan to add his own elemental affinity to. It took him 3 years to perfect the base Rasengan. Why would he waste that much effort on a jutsu he couldn't finish? We know he knows the strengths and weaknesses of a jutsu just from seeing it done once. He MADE THE RASENGAN. He would've realized he didn't have the talent to mix his own element into it. He died before he had a chance to finish it.

U read the manga better then I do yet ur arguing with it...:rolleyes: It says and I quote "minatos jutsu was too difficult", thus he didnt have the skills to finish it.http://www.mangareader.net/93-326-13/naruto/chapter-321.html". Nowhere, Nowhere did it say or even suggest minato DIED before he could finish it. U made that part up while ignoring the link I posted proving why minato really didnt finish it....

By the way, I would like to know how you figure he would've been able to add a kekkei genkai blended element into the Rasengan if you're claiming he couldn't even add his own?
Kakashi said it required a talent that was beyond his skills, not because of his stamina.


Never said he would, only that because he tried, he had to of had an elemental affinity and because of his best jutsus name, I assumed he couldve had the thunder element.

This is the reference to his and the fourths lack of skills (kakashis obviously the lack of chakra and the fourths lack of KBs) as he desrcibes "the chakra and jutsu to come up with the technique"http://www.mangareader.net/93-335-5/naruto/chapter-330.html

He can decimate entire platoons in the blink of an eye with Hiraishin, why would he need to use Kage Bushin?
How do you figure Hashirama didn't use it when it was on the scroll HE CREATED? The same scroll Naruto stole and learned Kage Bushin from in the beginning of the damn manga.


Yamato uses hashis powers and jutsu yet he doesnt use KBs. Only wood clones. Hashis scroll was pertaining to forbidden jutsu, not hashis jutsu in particular.

Did I not say that it was a educated guess in my first post? Yes! U cant read...

Learn to read! I mentioned the fact tobi doesnt have a sharinngan yet I allowed him true Izanagi usage which is another reason I gave minato the thunder element.
and NO. Minatos T/S jutsu is faster then the speed of light because it uses the wormhole concept cutting through dimensions to reach the kunai, not becoming a mass of light and rematerializing.



So because konahamaru can use KBs minato can? Despite the fact he has never used any once.. Not once. The title of hokage proves minato could use them despite his first 2 predecessors not being able to use them either?
LOL! Logical... NOT...



U read the manga better then I do yet ur arguing with it...:rolleyes: It says and I quote "minatos jutsu was too difficult", thus he didnt have the skills to finish it.http://www.mangareader.net/93-326-13/naruto/chapter-321.html". Nowhere, Nowhere did it say or even suggest minato DIED before he could finish it. U made that part up while ignoring the link I posted proving why minato really didnt finish it....



Never said he would, only that because he tried, he had to of had an elemental affinity and because of his best jutsus name, I assumed he couldve had the thunder element.

This is the reference to his and the fourths lack of skills (kakashis obviously the lack of chakra and the fourths lack of KBs) as he desrcibes "the chakra and jutsu to come up with the technique"http://www.mangareader.net/93-335-5/naruto/chapter-330.html



Yamato uses hashis powers and jutsu yet he doesnt use KBs. Only wood clones. Hashis scroll was pertaining to forbidden jutsu, not hashis jutsu in particular.


Why did i had to click view post...damn it. Now i have a moral obligation to prove you that you're an idiot.

1. KB it's not such a difficult jutsu. If you assume that a Kage , and probably the best kage that konoha had can't use KB then you're an idiot. Just because you didn't saw him use it doesn't mean that he can't. With that logic Minato can't use transformation jutsu, or he can't walk on water. And how do you know that the first and the second couldn't use KB? Don't you see that you're an idiot? JUST BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T SAW THEM USING IT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY CANNOT USE IT.

2. Fuckoff. Really fuckoff. Nowhere in the manga it's hinted that he died before he could complete the justu? Then, well, let's think of something... Hey i got it. How about the nine-tails rampage you fucking idiot? Can it be that because of the kyuubi he died before he could complete rasengan? Fucking moron...

3. So you gqve thunder element based on his nickname? Then how'bout Kakashi's dad, Sakumo? You will give him fang element because of his nickname? You lack simple logic and reason my dear debile friend.

Can't belive that you didn't use the yin-yang shit again.

Gaara vs Onooki

Gaara can use his sand virtually to do anything, while onooki i think is limited by chakra with his dust release. I will give this one to gaara.

My problem, Onooki hasn't shown anything besides the ability to fly, assist others with that ability, and one jutsu that he attempted to hit Sasuke with. This Dude has been around supposedly and even maybe battled Madara. Though they hyped up Gaara, out of this world with his Mothers Sand, thats not an afinity, or kkg, its unexpland and canon. I personally don't have enough info to judge Oonki, and until the canon is explained, its easy to give Gaara wins over lots of people.

okay

now

everybody knows the outcome when team 7 (kakashi, naruto, sasuke and sakura) when they took on zabuza and haku.

now

what if other konoha team, pre shippudden of course took that mission. Will they live? or die?

Where will their journey stop? At the bridge (with haku) or before that, at the pond (where zabuza act alone)

Begin.

okay

now

everybody knows the outcome when team 7 (kakashi, naruto, sasuke and sakura) when they took on zabuza and haku.

now

what if other konoha team, pre shippudden of course took that mission. Will they live? or die?

Where will their journey stop? At the bridge (with haku) or before that, at the pond (where zabuza act alone)

Begin.

Team 8 lack of an experienced Jounin Kurenai, Kiba's lack of control, and Hinata was simply weak as water back then, Shino's bugs assist them to live until backup come saves them.

Team 9 Ten Ten's useless, the rest easily overpower Zabs & Haku (Gai, Neji, Lee), they'd win easier than team 7 IMHO.

Team 10 Ino would be just above useless, but her mind control tech would be important, Fatass would blast the hell out of the mirror shit, Asuma would take out Zabs I believe that, and Shika would easily catch and trap Haku with the others.

And lastly, the Sand Team with Baki, would dismantle Zabs & Haku. Gaara would have Zabs in the Desert Coffin so fast Haku's head would spin, and the rest is simply too much for Haku... Baki, Temari, Kankuro >>> Haku. If Zabuza is as smart as he seems, this battle, he's running with Haku through the mist, to get the hell out of Dodge.

okay

now

everybody knows the outcome when team 7 (kakashi, naruto, sasuke and sakura) when they took on zabuza and haku.

now

what if other konoha team, pre shippudden of course took that mission. Will they live? or die?

Where will their journey stop? At the bridge (with haku) or before that, at the pond (where zabuza act alone)

Begin.

I think I've seen this matchup before. Basically every single team would do better.

Team 8- Hinata see's through hidden mist technique like it's nothing with her byakugan. Kiba can track by scent since kakashi could. Shino sends in his bugs, and fucks Zabuza and Haku up badly. Kurenai genjutus's the fuck out of either opponent and fools them into attacking each other, or at least using a paralyzing effect like she attempted against Itachi.

Team 10-Haku's ice mirrors each cast a shadow amirite? Meaning the jutsu actually works more in Shikamaru's favor then it does for Haku. If he times it right he can cast a web of shadows the moment Haku pops out of the mirrors. Ino then takes control of the kids body, and Haku walks over to where Zabuza is standing. Zabuza asks "So did you take care of those metling kids....."[looks down at the kunai gouged in his chest]. If it came down to a brawl between Jounin, I'd take Asuma over Zabuza any day. Asuma is physically stronger, based on how he was one shotting those sound ninja's in the invasion.

Team Guy- Rock lee at 5 gates vs. Haku bouncing between mirrors. Tough call there. Maybe Neji can destroy the mirrors since they are made out of chakra, and he's shown the ability to destroy objects made from chakra during the fight with the sound 4. Gai trounces Zabuza for sure though. Gai's reflexes and speed are enough to pwn Zabuza the moment he gets in melee range.


Edit: Shit, I forgot about the sand team. One word....Gaara. The moment Haku starts that mirror bouncing shit, he stops in mid air in a sea of his own blood, like WTF??? Gaara explains that he formed his sand into a fine mist of microscopic blades too small to see, and that Haku basically ran into his razor blades of his own choice, at the speed of light, or whatever haxxed out speed the kid moves at. Then Gaara laughs and says, "See you in hell girl", to which Hakue replies, "I'm a dude", and Gaara quips back at him, "Nobody gives a fuck. See you in 500 chapters."

I think I've seen this matchup before. Basically every single team would do better.

Because by using the bridge arc and the characters from part 1, we can see who could analyze the fight better. while using overpowered character like pain, oonoki or KB, most people will just say shit blow, shit blow, shit blow up

Team 10 Ino would be just above useless, but her mind control tech would be important, Fatass would blast the hell out of the mirror shit, Asuma would take out Zabs I believe that, and Shika would easily catch and trap Haku with the others.

But Asuma is a Katon and Wind user while Zabuza is Water. And Zabuza is feared for hiding in the mist and and kill them with precise assassination technique. Unless Asuma have something to sniff out Zabuza.

Because by using the bridge arc and the characters from part 1, we can see who could analyze the fight better. while using overpowered character like pain, oonoki or KB, most people will just say shit blow, shit blow, shit blow up



Yeah I know. I didn't say I didn't like the matchup, just that I remembered seeing it somewhere before.

Well usually when I post here, the match I post mostly what should happen match for example, Sasori and Deidara should be meeting Kabuto where Oro and Kabuto plan to ambush them. What will be the outcome. Or something like that.

I see... Anyway this is of topic- Justin Bieber looks like a lesbian, think about it. He has the haircut, and the weak frame. Not trying to bash him but...its kinda hard not to

I see... Anyway this is of topic- Justin Bieber looks like a lesbian, think about it. He has the haircut, and the weak frame. Not trying to bash him but...its kinda hard not to

And by posting about him, you make him more famous. Thank you fan

And by posting about him, you make him more famous. Thank you fan
anytime. Just making an oberservation.

Maybe Asuma could use his wind chakra to dissipate the mist. If it goes down to close range, Asuma would clearly have the advantage. Asuma's wind element is superb for close range, plus, his wind induced knives would slice through Zabuza's weapon like butter.

However, considering the first bout still took place over a large body of water, we'd have to put Team 10 in that same scenario, in which case, Zabuza would have the clear advantage against Asuma as there's nothing in Asuma's arsenal (to our knowledge) that could stand up to such an onslaught.

Though, we still have to factor in Ino, Shika, Cho...

Maybe Asuma could use his wind chakra to dissipate the mist. If it goes down to close range, Asuma would clearly have the advantage. Asuma's wind element is superb for close range, plus, his wind induced knives would slice through Zabuza's weapon like butter.

However, considering the first bout still took place over a large body of water, we'd have to put Team 10 in that same scenario, in which case, Zabuza would have the clear advantage against Asuma as there's nothing in Asuma's arsenal (to our knowledge) that could stand up to such an onslaught.

Though, we still have to factor in Ino, Shika, Cho...

Wind element is superb for close range, but Zabuza prefer to hide in the mist, wait and stab you from behind. Unless team asuma have someone to sniff or locate zabuza, asuma will lose

Wind element is superb for close range, but Zabuza prefer to hide in the mist, wait and stab you from behind. Unless team asuma have someone to sniff or locate zabuza, asuma will lose

Shikamaru, Shadow Bind protects his sensei, or even Ino mindswitches, but Akatsuki and above actually killed a Konoha shinobi, thats just the set up of the manga unfortunately. Lastly up close, no one stands a chance vs. Asuma, remember 1000 Arm Murder (anime only), same jutsu the Monk used vs. Hidan, that shits brutal. Monk lost but he was crushing both Hidan, and Kazuku, without moving. Zabs couldn't do anything but take the biz there, then he's wide open for Asumas final strike, or even the Ash Flame, I say if that moves allowed, curtains for Zabs.

and what shika gonna do? in pond battle where zabuza fights alone, if zabuza is going to be defeated, haku will bail him out.(by posing as mist anbu)

if this the bridge battle

haku is there too.

ino will guard the old man and act useless, shika and choji have to fight haku which will make them preoccupied for a while before haku kills them.

^^^^^^lol'd hard @ all of ur posts...

^^^^^^lol'd hard @ how much u contribute

Here we go, Minato vs. Anybody that can possibly beat him (name the Bloke, then explain). I haven't heard of anyone within this manga that could defeat him, ever, that bothers me, find me somebody.... Go.

Here we go, Minato vs. Anybody that can possibly beat him (name the Bloke, then explain). I haven't heard of anyone within this manga that could defeat him, ever, that bothers me, find me somebody.... Go.
Minato vs A & B.

1. Years of experience as a tag team.

2. Already shown to not be 1HK by Minato.

3. According to the manga B is Minato's equal.

4. Combined with A's speed they stand about a 70% chance at winning.

Minato vs A & B.

1. Years of experience as a tag team.

2. Already shown to not be 1HK by Minato.

3. According to the manga B is Minato's equal.

4. Combined with A's speed they stand about a 70% chance at winning.

B's Minatos equal? Dont let plot skew ur perception of minato. Kishi had him T/S behind Bee just to stop and talk to himself allowing Bee the time to react which is contradicting the purpose of the FTG itself. No, there's nothing to suggest Bee is minatos equal other than the use of his bijuus power which isnt going to be very effective against a man who knows the uzumaki seals and improved some, IMO.

Theres still allot we dont know about minato like his stamina, ninjutsu element he was going to put with the rasengan and even if he could actually use the Kage bushin jutsu.

Since that and all Minato is going to do is FTG around trying to rasengan through rais raiton armour and KB's bijuu cloak armour. He doesn't really have much of a chance to win IMO. Although, I could see minato using his seal knowledge to screw up KBs Jink seal so he cant use his bijuus power. basically were left with the scenario of everyone dying from the shiki fuujin jutsu, no winner.

Maybe Minato vs. Jiraiya. The only reason I even think this is because of that barrier technique that he used against Pain's chameleon that allows him to sense an attack from behind. I'm not sure if it will be enough to stop FTG, but it is the only real chance he has to keep up with him. His large quantity of jutsu and sage techniques help too. Plus, he has plenty of experience fighting powerful people, and he knows Minato well since he taught him. I'm not saying he could definately beat him, but he might have a slight shot.

I have an interesting one. Rainbow mode Naruto vs Minato.

Minato vs A & B.

1. Years of experience as a tag team.

2. Already shown to not be 1HK by Minato.

3. According to the manga B is Minato's equal.

4. Combined with A's speed they stand about a 70% chance at winning.

This just shows how broken a character Minato was, that he needs the 2 strongest people from the strongest village just to take him out.

To be fair, if you gave Minato any leaf Jonin as a tag team partner he'd merc' A & B in no time.



B's Minatos equal? Dont let plot skew ur perception of minato. Kishi had him T/S behind Bee just to stop and talk to himself allowing Bee the time to react which is contradicting the purpose of the FTG itself. No, there's nothing to suggest Bee is minatos equal other than the use of his bijuus power which isnt going to be very effective against a man who knows the uzumaki seals and improved some, IMO.

Theres still allot we dont know about minato like his stamina, ninjutsu element he was going to put with the rasengan and even if he could actually use the Kage bushin jutsu.

Since that and all Minato is going to do is FTG around trying to rasengan through rais raiton armour and KB's bijuu cloak armour. He doesn't really have much of a chance to win IMO. Although, I could see minato using his seal knowledge to screw up KBs Jink seal so he cant use his bijuus power. basically were left with the scenario of everyone dying from the shiki fuujin jutsu, no winner.


Wut??? I honestly don't know which side you're on here.:confused: Are you saying you think Minato>B or B>Minato. From your post it's kind of hard to tell.


@bolded. Again wut?. Why would he use Shiki Fuujin? That would require him to actually grab hold of them long enough to do it. I don't see that happening. Plus he'd have to do them both at the same time, since he doesn't know how to make a shadow clone. Right? See that I did there?


Besides there are other jutsu's that he could probably use on B. Like that 5 prong seal Oro used on Naruto in part 1. That shit fucked up Naruto's chakra usage big time. I'd assume with Minato being J-mans student, and learning Uzamaki techniques on the side he'd learn that jutsu from one of them.

Am I the only one that finds it funny that KYF doesn't believe Minato could use Kage Bushin? It's a B-rank jutsu and Minato was using S-ranked against Madara.

This just shows how broken a character Minato was, that he needs the 2 strongest people from the strongest village just to take him out.

To be fair, if you gave Minato any leaf Jonin as a tag team partner he'd merc' A & B in no time.






Wut??? I honestly which side your on here.:confused: Are you saying you think Minato>B or B>Minato. From your post it's kind of hard to tell.


@bolded. Again wut?. Why would he use Shiki Fuujin? That would require him to actually grab hold of them long enough to do it. I don't see that happening. Plus he'd have to do them both at the same time, since he doesn't know how to make a shadow clone. Right? See that I did there?


Besides there are other jutsu's that he could probably use on B. Like that 5 prong seal Oro used on Naruto in part 1. That shit fucked up Naruto's chakra usage big time. I'd assume with Minato being J-mans student, and learning Uzamaki techniques on the side he'd learn that jutsu from one of them.

Touche...i love the kage bushin stuff you used in a non gay way.

According to the manga B is Minato's equal. (http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/94143801/4) This isn't some random spar or chunin exams competition but a life or death battle between enemy shinobi. In the end Minato retreated. Had Minato had the ability to simply kill A & B at any time he would/should have done so since it would have greatly crippled the clouds military force. Nothing more needs to be said on this issue.

Another person that can beat Minato at this point is Naruto.

Wut??? I honestly don't know which side you're on here.:confused: Are you saying you think Minato>B or B>Minato. From your post it's kind of hard to tell.

I said KB's Bijuu chakra shield would be minatos only problem, but his use of uzumaki seals should allow him to screw with KB use of his bijuu.

@bolded. Again wut?. Why would he use Shiki Fuujin? That would require him to actually grab hold of them long enough to do it. I don't see that happening. Plus he'd have to do them both at the same time, since he doesn't know how to make a shadow clone. Right? See that I did there?


1. No! He doesnt have to grab u physically..http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/504/5

2. How do u not see the fastest shinobi being able to catch KB or raikage?

3. I wasn't clear enough with my last post. Since I purposed the idea of KB not being able to use his bijuus abilities, then he would be an easy target for minato. No need for shiki on him... Its only the raikage with his supermode shield that a plain rasengan has no chance of getting through so the use of shiki fuujin would be needed, but would leave everyone dead.
Sorry I didnt elaborate.

Besides there are other jutsu's that he could probably use on B. Like that 5 prong seal Oro used on Naruto in part 1. That shit fucked up Naruto's chakra usage big time. I'd assume with Minato being J-mans student, and learning Uzamaki techniques on the side he'd learn that jutsu from one of them.

What? Thats what I was referring to by "screwing with KBs bijuu seal". Meaning KB couldnt use his bijuus power. And now that I think about it. Probably offset his regular chakra the way naruto's was meaning KB is going to be merced.

According to the manga B is Minato's equal. (http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/94143801/4) This isn't some random spar or chunin exams competition but a life or death battle between enemy shinobi. In the end Minato retreated. Had Minato had the ability to simply kill A & B at any time he would/should have done so since it would have greatly crippled the clouds military force. Nothing more needs to be said on this issue.

Another person that can beat Minato at this point is Naruto.

Again, how does minato plot stopping his instant attack so KB has time to react make them equal??? Look, minato talks out LOAD giving away his position and KB seems to have his sword ready if minato tries a attack from behind.http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/94143801/3

The manga presents A+B=minato, but nothing else.

And how is naruto in rainbow mode going to beat minato? The very power he uses minato can turn on him with his own seal HE MADE for naruto.

And dont give me the plot "naruto faster then raikage" shit because naruto got a head start and still got caught by rai in one panelhttp://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/544/11
but dodged a single punch. How is that supposed to make him minatos equal in speed?

According to the manga B is Minato's equal. (http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/94143801/4) This isn't some random spar or chunin exams competition but a life or death battle between enemy shinobi. In the end Minato retreated. Had Minato had the ability to simply kill A & B at any time he would/should have done so since it would have greatly crippled the clouds military force. Nothing more needs to be said on this issue.

Another person that can beat Minato at this point is Naruto.

No, according to the manga Minato outclassed both of them at the same time, then turned his back and calmly walked off. A couldn't take the humiliation and charged at him pissed off, to which Minato again countered, then went after B who could only manage to put him in a stalemate situation. In the end Minato obeyed the signal to retreat, and neither A or B decided to press the attack further. Given what you said about "if he could kill them he would have", the opposite should have been true as well. Given B's earlier flashback of Minato where he's practically shaking in his boots thinking about him, it's clear they're far from equal.


This is all a moot point however, since I'm sure you'd concede that if either A or B fought him alone they wouldn't win.


Like I said, if you're going to make it a tag team fight, then it's only fair to give Minato a decent partner. Yamato, Kakashi, Asuma, Gai, etc... Fuck give him anybody and watch how insanely lopsided that fight would be. That's not even bring out one of the top dogs (Itachi or Jiriaya).



tl;dr The clouds strongest tag team fails in comparison to Minato+(Insert name here)

Actually it will be good if Kishi will shows us sometime how strong was actually Minato. Remember the chapter when kushina told naruto about the kyuubi attack. Sarutobi said that he will hold down the kyuubi and some fodders said that they wait for minato to arrive. So minato had the ability to defeat the kyuubi without using dead demon consuming seal.

Actually it will be good if Kishi will shows us sometime how strong was actually Minato. Remember the chapter when kushina told naruto about the kyuubi attack. Sarutobi said that he will hold down the kyuubi and some fodders said that they wait for minato to arrive. So minato had the ability to defeat the kyuubi without using dead demon consuming seal.

No they said that cos they're pussies and thus don't knw wat to do without their leader

Hey idiots B already had his sword ready when Minato teleported behind him. (http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/94143801/3) Notice the position of his left arm morons. B not only saved his brother but got the drop on Minato forcing a stalemate. Meaning they're equal.

Edit: I'm not even a fan of B & it's blatantly obvious to me that Kishi was trying to portray the image of two Shinobi of equal skill. You can keep fanning Minato all you want however you can't change manga facts.

Edit2: As for Naruto. His Fox Chakra mode already puts Naruto at speeds similar to Minato. Add in Naruto's sensory perception abilities, chakra capacity, & numerous amount of tecs I thought it would be fairly obvious that Naruto is superior at this point.

Hey idiots B already had his sword ready when Minato teleported behind him. (http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/94143801/3) Notice the position of his left arm morons. B not only saved his brother but got the drop on Minato forcing a stalemate. Meaning they're equal.

Edit: I'm not even a fan of B & it's blatantly obvious to me that Kishi was trying to portray the image of two Shinobi of equal skill. You can keep fanning Minato all you want however you can't change manga facts.

Edit2: As for Naruto. His Fox Chakra mode already puts Naruto at speeds similar to Minato. Add in Naruto's sensory perception abilities, loads more chakra, & numerous amount of tecs I thought it would be fairly obvious that Naruto is superior at this point.


Vengeance is right guys.the sheer speed and FTG don't guarantee his winning. He could beat A because A relies only on brute force and speed, but B had the Hachibi and a wider variety of jutsus

Hey idiots B already had his sword ready when Minato teleported behind him. (http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/94143801/3) Notice the position of his left arm morons. B not only saved his brother but got the drop on Minato forcing a stalemate. Meaning they're equal.

Edit: I'm not even a fan of B & it's blatantly obvious to me that Kishi was trying to portray the image of two Shinobi of equal skill. You can keep fanning Minato all you want however you can't change manga facts.

Edit2: As for Naruto. His Fox Chakra mode already puts Naruto at speeds similar to Minato. Add in Naruto's sensory perception abilities, chakra capacity, & numerous amount of tecs I thought it would be fairly obvious that Naruto is superior at this point.

I'm kinda along the lines with Ask, yeah A & B would be threat to knock of Minato, but 2 other shinobi could possible stack up enough 'bs' stat moves to defeat him as well. I was seeking a single shinobi, and as I thought, not many answers, this is more about what Kishi set up, than the 'uberness' of the actual character. The bad thing is he's now attempting to put Naruto in that neighborhood of greatness, but he's never on his best day, been able to 'best' Uchiha Sasuke. Minato never had one of those in his background, he worked hard supposedly, did everything generally correct, and was a flawless person.... ugh that dosen't sit well in my mouth, the puke is knocking it out of the way. Characters like Minato is why I embrace evil in manga.

I'm kinda along the lines with Ask, yeah A & B would be threat to knock of Minato, but 2 other shinobi could possible stack up enough 'bs' stat moves to defeat him as well. I was seeking a single shinobi, and as I thought, not many answers, this is more about what Kishi set up, than the 'uberness' of the actual character. The bad thing is he's now attempting to put Naruto in that neighborhood of greatness, but he's never on his best day, been able to 'best' Uchiha Sasuke. Minato never had one of those in his background, he worked hard supposedly, did everything generally correct, and was a flawless person.... ugh that dosen't sit well in my mouth, the puke is knocking it out of the way. Characters like Minato is why I embrace evil in manga.

Maybe, just maybe. A healthy Nagato that combine all six path ability into one body. Because the reason kishi makes him sick is just to make someone have a chance against him.

Yes, I recognized that in my last post, but u refuse to accept the fact minato just had to have a comment just before he tried to stab KB. Otherwise KB would be merced and dead.

[QUOTE]Edit: I'm not even a fan of B & it's blatantly obvious to me that Kishi was trying to portray the image of two Shinobi of equal skill. You can keep fanning Minato all you want however you can't change manga facts.

No, Im sure he was giving Origin to KB's name. If any of the two stand a chance alone against minato its raikage because of his speed and shield of raiton armour a basic rasengan isnt going to get through unlike KB who can have his bijuu power with shield sealed, leaving him with some basic spinning jutsu with swords and one raiton. No Match Minato!

Edit2: As for Naruto. His Fox Chakra mode already puts Naruto at speeds similar to Minato. Add in Naruto's sensory perception abilities, chakra capacity, & numerous amount of tecs I thought it would be fairly obvious that Naruto is superior at this point.

1.Similar shushin speed yea, but narutos or rais speed is nothing compared to minatos that surpasses light speed.
2. Naruto cant sense as fast as minato can move...
3. narutos kyuubi chakra mode can be shut down with seals too..
4. Naruto might have more jutsu, but its Quality>Quantity IMO.

EDIT: I haven't seen the VS thread this active in a while.

1.Similar shushin speed yea, but narutos or rais speed is nothing compared to minatos that surpasses light speed.
2. Naruto cant sense as fast as minato can move...

I would just like to point out that Minato's combat speed is not proportional to his movement abilities, which are teleportation based. Given Naruto's current level, he would most definitely be able to react to Minato's combat speed, even though Minato technically outclasses him in movement.

1.Similar shushin speed yea,
Naruto's speed far surpasses Minato's normal shushin.

but narutos or rais speed is nothing compared to minatos that surpasses light speed.
1. Naruto is faster than Raikage.

2. Naruto's speed was compared to Minato's movement using FTG.

3. Raikage seemed fairly confident that if he simply kept on eye on the tags he'd be able to follow Minato.

2. Naruto cant sense as fast as minato can move...
You fail to understand the point of using sensory perception in combat. This allows Naruto to instantly know where Minato is at all times. Meaning If Minato were to teleport to a different location using FTG Naruto would immediately know Minato's location. Meaning Naruto would then have no blind spot. Meaning Naruto would know where Minato is attacking from which would nullify the usefulness of FTG. Because of Naruto's fox chakra mode he's now able to attack from any given direction at any given moment using chakra hands. Meaning even if Minato teleported behind Naruto Naruto would immediately be able to launch a counter attack which Minato wouldn't expect.


3. narutos kyuubi chakra mode can be shut down with seals too..
Says who? The seal to the Kyuubi is located on Naruto's stomach. Meaning Minato would have to try a direct attack to even make an attempt at sealing off the Kyuubi's chakra. With Naruto's speed a frontal attack would never work.

4. Naruto might have more jutsu, but its Quality>Quantity IMO.
Now you're acting like a fanboy. Naruto surpassed Minato in the use of Rasengan 10 fold which was one of Minato's signature moves. Meaning Naruto has a higher quality of offensive jutsu when compared to Minato. Really now this is fairly obvious at this point.

Naruto's speed far surpasses Minato's normal shushin.

Minatos shushin is the same as about itachi and sasukes. Narutos is in between them and raikages ultimate shushin. So, a half a level above minatos.

1. Naruto is faster than Raikage.

Proof? Oh yea, Naruto needed a head start to track and dodge one punch of rais in supermode... Woppidy-doo! Minato from a stand still was able too see rais punch in time to react and use his FTG which is more then naruto could possibly do if he needs a head start.http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/542/14

Its the same tactic with sasuke VS itachis amaterasu. obviously sasuke couldnt dodge amaterasu from a resting position so he used a head start to track and avoid amaterasu for a couple seconds.http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/390/4
However, the inevitable faster amaterasu caught him.

Its the same thing. Naruto didnt have the speed to compete with rais supermode so he ran ahead which allowed him enough distance and time to track and avoid 1 PUNCH. 1 PUNCH1!!!!!

2. Naruto's speed was compared to Minato's movement using FTG.

They saw a flash of light. And? They have naked eyes unlike sasukes SG which couldn't even track the direction of rai with a flash of light despite being covered in raiton armour.

Basically, Ur comparing the actual INSTANT movement of minato over ANY distance compared to the seemingly instant movement of a very short distance, as seen by the naked eye.

3. Raikage seemed fairly confident that if he simply kept on eye on the tags he'd be able to follow Minato.

And it FAILED! Minatos WAY too fast for him. Did u not notice that minato narrowly dodged rais super punch as he dropped his kunai, FTGed to another one on a tree and FTGed back in time to be behind the raikage and land a kick using FTG level 2... All that in an actual instant.

Rais full speed>narutos so, minatos>>>narutos!

You fail to understand the point of using sensory perception in combat. This allows Naruto to instantly know where Minato is at all times. Meaning If Minato were to teleport to a different location using FTG Naruto would immediately know Minato's location. Meaning Naruto would then have no blind spot. Meaning Naruto would know where Minato is attacking from which would nullify the usefulness of FTG. Because of Naruto's fox chakra mode he's now able to attack from any given direction at any given moment using chakra hands. Meaning even if Minato teleported behind Naruto Naruto would immediately be able to launch a counter attack which Minato wouldn't expect.

U fail to understand that light registers to the eye faster then sound to the ear which is why in reality blind swordsman<non-blind swordsman in reaction time. The same concept applies with narutod perception of the enemies chakra or intent. The speed of narutos ESP wont be anywhere near as fast as light making it a less effective means of tracking the enemy.

So, if minato FTG's behind naruto. Hes not going to sense it until his head is already leaving his shoulders.

Says who? The seal to the Kyuubi is located on Naruto's stomach. Meaning Minato would have to try a direct attack to even make an attempt at sealing off the Kyuubi's chakra. With Naruto's speed a frontal attack would never work.

Minatos physical speed is almost the same as narutos so using the FTG would make a frontal attack rather simple to just hit and run with a seal.
I cant imagine how u suspect naruto could react in time to stop minatos attack if he couldnt even stop rais not in supermode.

Now you're acting like a fanboy. Naruto surpassed Minato in the use of Rasengan 10 fold which was one of Minato's signature moves. Meaning Naruto has a higher quality of offensive jutsu when compared to Minato. Really now this is fairly obvious at this point.

I didnt dispute that narutos rasengan>minatos for sure. But, u claimed naruto having more powerful jutsu gave him an advantage to which I replied "Quality>Quantity" since minato only has a couple, but are far more effective and efficient.

Minatos shushin is the same as about itachi and sasukes.
Where are you even getting this information from?

Narutos is in between them and raikages ultimate shushin. So, a half a level above minatos.
Correction Naruto is faster than Raikages so called ultimate shushin.

Proof?
http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/39717916/12 & http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/39717916/13. Ignoring the rest of this section since you wanted proof that Naruto is faster than Raikage. There's your proof moving on.

They saw a flash of light. And?
& Naruto was able to avoid Raikages fastest punch just like Minato.

And it FAILED!
Actually it didn't fail Raikage never had the opportunity to try it out. Minato went after B instead of Raikage at that point. After Minato's attack on B failed he retreated. Re-read the manga please.


U fail to understand that light registers to the eye faster then sound to the ear which is why in reality blind swordsman<non-blind swordsman in reaction time.

The same concept applies with narutod perception of the enemies chakra or intent. The speed of narutos ESP wont be anywhere near as fast as light making it a less effective means of tracking the enemy.
Naruto is sensing this with his mind not his eyes. You act as if Minato's actual body, arms, & or legs move at the speed of light. News flash they don't. His speed is high because he's teleporting. Once he reappears Minato has to physically move to actually attack. Stop smoking crack please.

So, if minato FTG's behind naruto. Hes not going to sense it until his head is already leaving his shoulders.
Umm no he would sense Minato's presence the moment he reappears & before Minato is even able to launch an actual attack. Funny because I distinctly remember B saving A even though Minato magically teleported behind A in an instant. Same rule applies here.

Minatos physical speed is almost the same as narutos so using the FTG would make a frontal attack rather simple to just hit and run with a seal.
Wow Minato's physical speed is no were near Naruto's. Stop fanning dude you sound like a complete moron when you do that. How is he going to FTG in front of Naruto? Why wouldn't Naruto simply smack Minato once he reappears since Naruto's physical reaction time is faster than Minato's?

I cant imagine how u suspect naruto could react in time to stop minatos attack if he couldnt even stop rais not in supermode.
Because Naruto is faster maybe?

I didnt dispute that narutos rasengan>minatos for sure. But, u claimed naruto having more powerful jutsu gave him an advantage to which I replied "Quality>Quantity" since minato only has a couple, but are far more effective and efficient.
Actually Minato's jutsu aren't nearly as effective when compared to Naruto. DG kills the user & Rasenshuriken pwnz Rasengan. What else is there to compare? Toad summoning? Naruto can do it too. FTG? Naruto's speed in Fox Chakra Mode is already comparable. Tell me exactly how Minato has more quality jutsu over Naruto? O yeah that's right you can't! Stop fanning & move on to a different topic.

Where are you even getting this information from? Correction Naruto is faster than Raikages so called ultimate shushin.


Minatos shushinhttp://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/501/3
plushttp://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/501/4
Fucking fast!!! So fast tobi implies its his shushin that has him live up to his "yellow flash" moniker.
And we know about itachis(creating a suiton clone while shushining behind)http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/142/9

sasukes shushin is common knowledge equal to rais basic raiton armour mode speed. But just in casehttp://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/462/16
andhttp://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/463

http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/39717916/12 & http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/39717916/13. Ignoring the rest of this section since you wanted proof that Naruto is faster than Raikage. There's your proof moving on.

Again, shows naruto with a head start dodging one punch. However, clear as day the raikage caught naruto after his head start with ease in 1 panel!!!!

If anything by this its narutos shushin>rais speed of his left arm to punch. BUT! Rais shushin>narutos obviously....

Or did this not happen again and againhttp://mangastream.com/read/naruto/94143801/5
andhttp://mangastream.com/read/naruto/94143801/6

Ha!

& Naruto was able to avoid Raikages fastest punch just like Minato.


Head start>from resting position!!! Or are u saying that sasukes avoiding amaterasu=to rais despite the fact sasuke had a head start and rai was in the resting position and didnt have any momentum to help plus the complication of overcoming inertia so explosively.

Actually it didn't fail Raikage never had the opportunity to try it out. Minato went after B instead of Raikage at that point. After Minato's attack on B failed he retreated. Re-read the manga please.

Raikage wasnt shown to be able to keep up with minato which is the point. And the attack on Bee was circumstantial made obvious by the lack of surprise by saying out load "I cannot fail".


Naruto is sensing this with his mind not his eyes you dumbass. You act as if Minato's actual body, arms, & or legs move at the speed of light. News flash they fucking don't. His speed is high because he's fucking teleporting. Once he reapears Minato has to physically move to actually attack. Stop smoking crack please.

Mind < reflexes in speed! And no, minatos physical speed is amazing as well so the two make for a deadly combination.


Umm no he would sense Minato's presence the moment he reappears & before Minato is even able to launch an actual attack. Funny because I distinctly remember B saving A even though Minato magically teleported behind A in an instant. Same rule applies here dumbass.

Lol, the MOMENT? Minato reappears in an actual instant which isnt enough time for even raikage to react which is why he got kick on his ass...

And Bee clearly attacked with Rai as a team usually does which is why bees tentacle is there, but still failed to do anything to minato even without the use of the FTG. However, Rais much faster so him getting there first is reasonable.

Wow Minato's physical speed is no were near Naruto's. Stop fanning dude you sound like a complete moron when you do that. How is he going to FTG in front of Naruto? Why wouldn't Naruto simply smack Minato once he reappears since Naruto's physical reaction time is faster than Minato's?

What reaction time faster then minatos, fucking read for the love of god...

Naruto needs a head start to react to rais attackhttp://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/544/11

Minatos standing still!!!http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/28815369/15

And minato is able to physically hit him with a kick the moment he gets behind him meaning his physical speed is very high like rais.

Again, ur suggesting sasukes avoiding amaterasu= to rais... BS!
Because Naruto is faster maybe?

Actually Minato's jutsu aren't nearly as effective when compared to Naruto. DG kills the user & Rasenshuriken pwnz Rasengan. What else is there to compare? Toad summoning? Naruto can do it too. FTG? Naruto's speed in Fox Chakra Mode is already comparable. Tell me exactly how Minato has more quality jutsu over Naruto? O yeah that's right you fucking can't! Stop fanning & move on to a different topic.

LMFAO! The FTG>>the FRS+Fox mode shushin!!! FRS requires naruto time to prepare then launch at not too fast of a speed towards the enemy. Fox shushin isnt even letting him dodge itachi edos frontal attack then gets kicked......:rolleyes:http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/30783368/7

The FTG is instant and has two levels which requires little chakra and almost NO time to execute along with no need for hand seals.

Minatos shushinhttp://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/501/3
plushttp://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/501/4
Fucking fast!!! So fast tobi implies its his shushin that has him live up to his "yellow flash" moniker.
And we know about itachis(creating a suiton clone while shushining behind)http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/142/9

sasukes shushin is common knowledge equal to rais basic raiton armour mode speed. But just in casehttp://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/462/16
andhttp://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/463
He caught a baby that was thrown into the air. Allot of people can do that so it really isn't all that impressive. After that he used FTG to teleport out of the explosion. I see no proof of his shushin being compared to Itachi or Sasuke.

Again, shows naruto with a head start dodging one punch. However, clear as day the raikage caught naruto after his head start with ease in 1 panel!!!!

If anything by this its narutos shushin>rais speed of his left arm to punch. BUT! Rais shushin>narutos obviously....

Or did this not happen again and againhttp://mangastream.com/read/naruto/94143801/5
andhttp://mangastream.com/read/naruto/94143801/6

Ha!
Naruto wasn't going at top speed yet obviously. But you can feel free to ignore what is stated in the manga. You know like Raikage first mentioning that he is the fastest person alive now that Minato is gone followed by(a few chapters later) that Minato & Naruto are the only people who ever dodged his fastest punch. Which pretty much implies that Naruto is now faster than Raikage.

Head start>from resting position!!! Or are u saying that sasukes avoiding amaterasu=to rais despite the fact sasuke had a head start and rai was in the resting position and didnt have any momentum to help plus the complication of overcoming inertia so explosively.
What does any of this have to do with Raikage fist in front of Naruto's face? Naruto up'ed his speed at this point to dodge the attack. Making him faster than even the Raikage. You really do need to learn how to comprehend what you're reading.

Raikage wasnt shown to be able to keep up with minato which is the point. And the attack on Bee was circumstantial made obvious by the lack of surprise by saying out load "I cannot fail".
Huu?? Doesn't change my original statement. My point stands as valid Raikage was confident that he could follow Minato's movement had the fight continued.

Mind < reflexes in speed! And no, minatos physical speed is amazing as well so the two make for a deadly combination.
Based on what? Catching a baby that was flung in the air? Really not that impressive.

Lol, the MOMENT? Minato reappears in an actual instant which isnt enough time for even raikage to react which is why he got kick on his ass...
Raikage doesn't have chakra arms that can come out of his back now does he. Raikage also isn't a chakra sensor type.

And Bee clearly attacked with Rai as a team usually does which is why bees tentacle is there, but still failed to do anything to minato even without the use of the FTG. However, Rais much faster so him getting there first is reasonable.
His tentacle was there to block his brother which is what he did. He saw Minato behind Raikage & shot out a tentacle to protect him. Re-read the manga please.

What reaction time faster then minatos, fucking read for the love of god...
I do read. Minato wasn't fast enough to perceive the tentactle that protected Raikage. He intended to kill the Raikage with that one attack but couldn't because his reflexes weren't fast enough after he teleported.

Naruto needs a head start to react to rais attackhttp://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/544/11
Actually that just shows Naruto out maneuvering Raikage & doding his fastest attack with superior speed.

Minatos standing still!!!http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/28815369/15
That's because Minato isn't actually that fast. He simply teleports.

And minato is able to physically hit him with a kick the moment he gets behind him meaning his physical speed is very high like rais.
Umm no Minato simply landed on top of Raikage. Minato's actual attack was the kunai strike which he wasn't fast enough to pull off.

Again, ur suggesting sasukes avoiding amaterasu= to rais... BS!
Sasuke avoided Amaterasu because he had fire blocking Itachi's line of sight at the time. The Amaterasu first had to engulf the fire before getting to Sasuke. This is why he was able to run.

LMFAO! The FTG>>the FRS+Fox mode shushin!!!
Actually it doesn't since FTG is limited to seal locations while Fox Chakra Mode is not. Meaning in some ways Naruto's method is actually superior.

FRS requires naruto time to prepare then launch at not too fast of a speed towards the enemy.
Naruto can create it with a finger almost instantly now.

Fox shushin isnt even letting him dodge itachi edos frontal attack then gets kicked......:rolleyes:http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/30783368/7
Naruto wasn't kicked there he blocked & dodged every hit. Also at this point Naruto is trying to talk with Itachi not kill him.

The FTG is instant and has two levels which requires little chakra and almost NO time to execute along with no need for hand seals.
Naruto doesn't need hand seals to simply run lmao. Your point?

If it took someone who's standing still to dodge a high speed punch either by teleporting or whatever means, then that person has super fast reflexes enough to let him initiate the teleport ruin technique...

Nagato "Complete" vs Minato. Or should we wait another week before discussing this?

Nagato "Complete" vs Minato. Or should we wait another week before discussing this?

Fucker! I was headed this way, but I must admit I'll wait a week for this shit. I think we've may have found the answer, lol.

Nagato "Complete"

"Complete" as an Edo? Or complete as in pre-Crypt Keeper?

"Complete" as an Edo? Or complete as in pre-Crypt Keeper?
Well to be fair he's still alive just in peek physical condition.

So before Yahiko's death? Hmm...it might be a little soon to say but I would put it as "it can go either way". Minato's a genius the likes only seen once a generation (he was the same generation as Nagato). Nagato is a pseudo god of ninja (he's stated his powers pale in comparison to the original Sage).

see thats the issue with minato, we don't really see the full extent of his so called genius nature. I also say it can go either way...

Shusui vs Orochimaru with Hashirama & Tobirama summoning

Winner Shusui. Agree or Disagree?

I assume the predicted outcome is Shisui genjutsu's Hashirama?

I'd say yeah, they'd kinda own Oro + Tobirama.

@Minato vs Nagato:

The problem here is that we've never seen Minato's full extent. We've seen him pwn legends like they were nothing, but that's where the problem lies. His acts and way of thinking in one situation can't be applied so easily in another. The way he handled masked dude back in the day can't be put into simulation with Nagato. You'll never really know until you see the actual match. So fuck this shit.

Shusui vs Orochimaru with Hashirama & Tobirama summoning

Winner Shusui. Agree or Disagree?

agreed.

OK. after kidnapping gaara, sasori is suppose to meet kabuto. where oro is waiting to ambush him. let just say for fairness sasori bring deidara also.

sasori and deidara vs oro and kabuto

agreed.

OK. after kidnapping gaara, sasori is suppose to meet kabuto. where oro is waiting to ambush him. let just say for fairness sasori bring deidara also.

sasori and deidara vs oro and kabuto


Oro-kabuto 10/0 deidara-sasori

Oro 7/3 deidara-sasori

Kabuto 2.5/7.5 deidara-sasori

@Minato vs Nagato:

The problem here is that we've never seen Minato's full extent. We've seen him pwn legends like they were nothing, but that's where the problem lies. His acts and way of thinking in one situation can't be applied so easily in another. The way he handled masked dude back in the day can't be put into simulation with Nagato. You'll never really know until you see the actual match. So fuck this shit.
If there is one advantage I'd say for minato it's gonna be his sharp analysis which would help him figure out shinra tensei's 5 sec gab. Also to grab minato using human path is gonna be a lil difficult cos he's just gonna ftg away anyway. So the match will be intense and will come down to speed of execution

Shusui vs Orochimaru with Hashirama & Tobirama summoning

Winner Shusui. Agree or Disagree?

Agree

I assume the predicted outcome is Shisui genjutsu's Hashirama?

I'd say yeah, they'd kinda own Oro + Tobirama.

It would be much simpler to genjutsu Orochimaru into becoming his slave. Since Oro is controlling Hashirama and Tobirama, Shisui automatically gets control of them too through his control over Oro. Then the 4 of them embark on a quest of world domination. Muhahaha.

agreed.

OK. after kidnapping gaara, sasori is suppose to meet kabuto. where oro is waiting to ambush him. let just say for fairness sasori bring deidara also.

sasori and deidara vs oro and kabuto



Iron Sand and long range missiles coupled with C4, I dont see how Oro and Kabuto can guard against that.

Sasori and Deidara takes this 6:4

Iron Sand and long range missiles coupled with C4, I dont see how Oro and Kabuto can guard against that.

Sasori and Deidara takes this 6:4


Well i don't know about Kabuto but Oro was epic. We assume that Oro was in his full power stage not ill. And Iron Sand is not to much to deal with, after all he killed the 4th kazekage who used gold sand. Maybe deidara's suicidal jutsu can put problems.

Minato vs nagato... Is it the six realms controlled by nagato or nagato by himself like he is now? Because minato vs nagato on his own would be a quick win for minato.

why?

a single individual with all the six path ability against a teleporter?

and the teleporter wins? nagato wins, hands down.

why?

a single individual with all the six path ability against a teleporter?

and the teleporter wins? nagato wins, hands down.

How? Minato can bypass all of the RG's abilities with the FTG. Are u saying that minato couldnt even touch nagato? Or is he capable of touching nagato?

Kizaru kicks them both.

Chibaku Tensei Minato and his markers.

Chibaku Tensei Minato and his markers.

Chibaku tensai took deva a while took some time to create. Even wihtout the FTG, Minato could shushin and beat nagato.

Also, If minato starts to get sucked up he can merely FTG to one of his markers at home, then FTG back a little later.

Do u think minato can touch nagato?

No. he cant. Nagato can stay inside the chameleon, spamming summonning and watching minato's movement and understand the ftg.

http://www.mangareader.net/93-55464-11/naruto/chapter-502.html

Hei, does minato create the ftg from scratch or does he improves the second hokage space time jutsu?

Hei, does minato create the ftg from scratch or does he improves the second hokage space time jutsu?

It would help if we knew what Tobirama's space-time jutsu was. The only thing we know is that he was proficient with it.

No. he cant. Nagato can stay inside the chameleon, spamming summonning and watching minato's movement and understand the ftg.

http://www.mangareader.net/93-55464-11/naruto/chapter-502.html

Hei, does minato create the ftg from scratch or does he improves the second hokage space time jutsu?

Nagato disappears and minato summons the sage frogs, they find nagato, game over...

Who says Minato can become a sage?

Who says Minato can become a sage?

Manga said he couldn't. Jiraiya and Naruto were the only ones with a large enough chakra pool to go through Sage training. Minato trained with the toads, because he signed a contract with them, but he never achieved Sage training.

Well i don't know about Kabuto but Oro was epic. We assume that Oro was in his full power stage not ill. And Iron Sand is not to much to deal with, after all he killed the 4th kazekage who used gold sand. Maybe deidara's suicidal jutsu can put problems.

Oro was epic, so was Sasori whom 'wanted' Orochimaru personally. Oro had more 'jutsu' overall, but Sasori was a beast in his own rite...

'Sasori was an extremely powerful shinobi. He was a highly analytical man. Sasori's use of his puppets were greatly feared during the Third Shinobi World War as he turned the sand red with blood, thus giving him the nickname "Sasori of the Red Sand". Sasori's abilities also gave him the power to defeat and kill the Third Kazekage, who was said to be the strongest ninja in the history of Sunagakure, though Sasori states that he had some trouble defeating him. Deidara himself even admitted that Sasori was stronger of the two. '


Ninjutsu - 5

Taijutsu - 4

Genjutsu - 4

Intelligence - 5

Strength - 3

Speed - 4.5

Stamina - 5

Hand seals - 4

Total
34.5

Interesting side notes, Sasori was 35, wanted to fight the very first puppet maker, and Puppeteers in this manga has zero afinity.

Orochimaru

Ninjutsu - 5

Taijutsu - 3.5

Genjutsu - 5

Intelligence - 5

Strength - 3.5

Speed - 4.5

Stamina - 3.5

Hand seals - 5

Total
35

Love Orochimaru, but I'm going with Sasori over him, just my opinion, poison maybe a problem for Oro, but being that Sasori was a puppet himself it automatically 'cancels out' some of Orochimaru's major jutsus, and of course nothing 'poisonous' Oro could have would effect Sasori at all. The sheer amount of cutting, stabbing, projectiled weapons I'd give an advantage over snakes, for me as well, thats beyond the iron sand. Gaara's Dad (the 4th Kazekage) was 'fooled' by Oro, thats why he died, they never battled, he just got gu gushed by Oro's Sword of Tsunagi unexpectedly at the beginning of their meeting. Gaara's Dad < 3rd Kazekage.

Who says Minato can become a sage?

Minato isnt a sage, but his frog summons Ma and Pa are. They can use sensory ability to find nagato hiding, use frog genjutsu, ect. Either way minato would Curb stomp nagato. The only reason sasuke or itachi could have a chance is due to sasanoo, the SG's ability to read fast movementscoupled with theyre quick reflexes, amaterasu/tsukuyomi and analytical skills that can deduce even the most difficult jutsu (like sasuke with Izanagi).

Nagato has shown no real analytical ability, fast reflexes or defense to stop a FT raping from minato. Nagatos abilities are tylor made to curb stomp ninjutsu users, not as effective against explsive taijutsu or even less effective against poweful genjutsu. Minato has both.

Problem is nagato has not shown he can use the kage bushin jutsu which would give him better Odds against minatos FTG. Yes, hes said he could use any jutsu, but has yet to show anything other then his basic RG jutsu which sugest Ibiki dialouge=nothing but hype.

He used em versus j-man, and jiraiya also said he mastered/learned/whatever all the elements

Just wanted to point out that Orochimaru is immune to poison.

^Yeah, I wasn't (and still am) unsure wether its all posion or most poison so i didnt post anything

Oro was sasaoris partner in akatsuki so he should know about his use of poison IMO. Even developed an Antidote like sakura did too.

With that and the use of any two Edos kabuto is capable of using should be more then enough to allow Oro to beat sasaori.

Edos are allowed arent they? Oro showed he can use two at once and possibly three, but the third failed.

Oro with Kin/gin would be a pwing of even sasaori.

Minato trained with the toads, because he signed a contract with them, but he never achieved Sage training.

Or probably was too busy to achieve sage mode(u know hokage responsibilities)

Or probably was too busy to achieve sage mode(u know hokage responsibilities)

I think that would be too much. The guy was already terryfing. Just imagine the fastest guy being able to punch you without touching you ( the same way naruto did with pein).

I think that would be too much. The guy was already terryfing. Just imagine the fastest guy being able to punch you without touching you ( the same way naruto did with pein).

Lol with anyone who fights him is gonna be tossed around like cotton seed

Look at the huge amount of damage minato does to the ground with a basic Rasengan and no Sage mode.http://www.mangareader.net/93-55672-3/naruto/chapter-503.html

The amount of brute strength that would take is very, very high. Its even FAR greater then narutos damage to the landscape when he used a double rasengan dive from hundreds of feet in the air, while in SM.http://www.mangareader.net/93-439-3/naruto/chapter-434.html

See the difference in force. Minatos got to already have sage like strength so SM was probably not necessary since it would make him even more ridiculously stronger than he already is.

How about we make the match:

Naruto vs Minato, in konaha crater..... GO!

Naruto in sage mode or with his rainbow mode? Naruto in rainbow mode pwns Minato because he has the ability to sense emotions and the jutsu array.

Look at the huge amount of damage minato does to the ground with a basic Rasengan and no Sage mode.http://www.mangareader.net/93-55672-3/naruto/chapter-503.html

The amount of brute strength that would take is very, very high. Its even FAR greater then narutos damage to the landscape when he used a double rasengan dive from hundreds of feet in the air, while in SM.http://www.mangareader.net/93-439-3/naruto/chapter-434.html

See the difference in force. Minatos got to already have sage like strength so SM was probably not necessary since it would make him even more ridiculously stronger than he already is.

How about we make the match:

Naruto vs Minato, in konaha crater..... GO!

Those two pics are apples and oranges. Naruto's Rasengen was meant to be precise, whereas Minato's was meant to be powerful because whom he was facing, and his inability prior to hit Madara IMHO. The sheer size, and power of the Rasengen depends on the user, and what he wishes for that particular time. All Rasengens won't be 'equal', as the last one, what kind of logic is that? Naruto had more variations of the Rasengen, and has shown more, so does that idiot get a 'genius' tag on his forehead as well as Minato, I'd think not personally.

Naruto in sage mode or with his rainbow mode? Naruto in rainbow mode pwns Minato because he has the ability to sense emotions and the jutsu array.

Either...

And how is RSM mode allow naruto to pwn minato? Narutos speed in RSM is similar to raikages and yet minato dodged and countered it with easehttp://www.mangareader.net/naruto/542/14
andhttp://www.mangareader.net/naruto/542/15

And narutos ability to sense EVIL isn't going to help him against minato lol. The ability to sense the enemy makes minatos use of hiding completely ineffective and pointless, but it doesn't allow naruto to track minatos movements through Time and space....
Minatos movements with the FTG coupled with his own lightning quick physical
speed>narutos sensory ability coupled with his own lightning quick physical speed!

All minato has to do is touch naruto, place his jutsu shiki and the fights over. And with no ability of narutos to stop this from happening, its inevitable. Not until naruto gains the FTG will naruto be able to take his dad IMO.
Especially since minato can mess up the jink seal on narutos stomach which would cut off the kyuubis chakra and unbalance his regular chakra.

It is minatos seal on naruto so hes not going to be able to use Kyuubi power to beat minato who can simply destroy his own seal he gave naruto. Again, naruto needs the FTG to equal speed with minato in order to keep him from destroying his jink seal and to counter minatos other instantaneous attacks.

Those two pics are apples and oranges. Naruto's Rasengen was meant to be precise, whereas Minato's was meant to be powerful because whom he was facing, and his inability prior to hit Madara IMHO. The sheer size, and power of the Rasengen depends on the user, and what he wishes for that particular time. All Rasengens won't be 'equal', as the last one, what kind of logic is that? Naruto had more variations of the Rasengen, and has shown more, so does that idiot get a 'genius' tag on his forehead as well as Minato, I'd think not personally.

What? The rasengan isn't a precise jutsu dude. Its a jutsu for over all destruction of the enemy. Chidori is a precise jutsu.

How can u claim narutos rasengan wasn't meant to be powerful, but minatos was because of who he faced? Hell realm was extremely strong as well and naruto felt the need to use a double rasengan, meaning, he purposely tried to increase the destructive force of his attack on hell realm by 2.

Because the rasengan isn't a precise jutsu, but used force destructive force. Minatos basic rasengan could be more powerful then narutos in SM due to minato having greater brute strength or a far higher quality rasengan. Either way it showed far more destructive force then even narutos double rasengan in SM.

Either...

And how is RSM mode allow naruto to pwn minato? Narutos speed in RSM is similar to raikages and yet minato dodged and countered it with easehttp://www.mangareader.net/naruto/542/14
andhttp://www.mangareader.net/naruto/542/15

And narutos ability to sense EVIL isn't going to help him against minato lol. The ability to sense the enemy makes minatos use of hiding completely ineffective and pointless, but it doesn't allow naruto to track minatos movements through Time and space....
Minatos movements with the FTG coupled with his own lightning quick physical
speed>narutos sensory ability coupled with his own lightning quick physical speed!

All minato has to do is touch naruto, place his jutsu shiki and the fights over. And with no ability of narutos to stop this from happening, its inevitable. Not until naruto gains the FTG will naruto be able to take his dad IMO.
Especially since minato can mess up the jink seal on narutos stomach which would cut off the kyuubis chakra and unbalance his regular chakra.

It is minatos seal on naruto so hes not going to be able to use Kyuubi power to beat minato who can simply destroy his own seal he gave naruto. Again, naruto needs the FTG to equal speed with minato in order to keep him from destroying his jink seal and to counter minatos other instantaneous attacks.



What? The rasengan isn't a precise jutsu dude. Its a jutsu for over all destruction of the enemy. Chidori is a precise jutsu.

How can u claim narutos rasengan wasn't meant to be powerful, but minatos was because of who he faced? Hell realm was extremely strong as well and naruto felt the need to use a double rasengan, meaning, he purposely tried to increase the destructive force of his attack on hell realm by 2.

Because the rasengan isn't a precise jutsu, but used force destructive force. Minatos basic rasengan could be more powerful then narutos in SM due to minato having greater brute strength or a far higher quality rasengan. Either way it showed far more destructive force then even narutos double rasengan in SM.

A bit much 4 me, with the evidence being 1 panel total. Additionally, one would have to go back and check every one of Naruto's Rasengens in the past, and study those panels as well, wouldn't they? I mean I know we wouldn't expect that single Rasengen by Naruto to represent all of his, correct? And then what of Jiraiya's which in size looked much larger than Naruto's, whats the theory on his?

Asuma vs kimimaro

Kimimaro no fuckin contest man.

This guy kept up with Lee in Taijutsu, came within an inch of killing Gaara, and took down a bazillion Kyuubi-fied clones of Naruto when it only took one to floor Haku and Oro's snake while he was terminally ill and had no business even being able to move his body. Asuma's wind blades won't mean jack against the nigh indestructible bone Kimimaro uses, and Asuma's ninjutsu are B rank at best, nothing Kimimaro can't handle. And that's all without getting into CS2.

Asuma and Kurenai got shafted by Kishi, so to make it up for their lack of character development Kishi paired them up. They didn't get any panel time, but at least they were having sex.

Anyway.

Yellow flash

http://www.glogster.com/media/4/36/63/83/36638393.jpg

Meets Yellow monkey

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090621075606/onepiece/images/archive/9/99/20100708103831!Kizaru4.png

Who wins ?

Yellow Monkey wins by a landslide.

Kizaru can kill everybody in Naruto manga even if they all attacked him at once. I don't care how fast people like Minato or Raikage are, NOBODY can move at the speed of light. Since the concept of Haki doesn't exist in this manga any attack against him would have the same result as this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyScuw4AzF0&feature=related).

While I agree that Kizaru takes this, there a few things that should be noted.

- He can only travel at light speed while using Yata no Kagami ( and going by feats not very far, like from islands to islands ). But even with his base speed he is ridiculously fast. He was able to appear in front of Drake from a huge distance and kick him in the face before Drake was even able to register that he was there.

- Until proven otherwise, his regeneration has limits ( this applies to all Logia ). Logia can reconstruct from disembowelment, having numerous holes poked on their bodies, basically as long as something of them is left they can reform. However, nothing indicates that they can regen from nothing. So in theory, were one of them eat a chakra blast it could bypass their regen capabilities.

Kizaru can kill everybody in Naruto manga even if they all attacked him at once. I don't care how fast people like Minato or Raikage are, NOBODY can move at the speed of light. Since the concept of Haki doesn't exist in this manga any attack against him would have the same result as this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyScuw4AzF0&feature=related).

Madara's warping>speed of light (from a certain distance onward)

Madara's warping>speed of light (from a certain distance onward)

Wouldn't help him against Kizaru though.

Like Minato, once he is out of warping he is seriously screwed. Kizaru is superior to him in every category ( for now, since Madara is bound to get some feats soon ).

Yeah, sorry, I'm saying Nagato could take Minato, I know I've pissed off some, but from what I've seen thus far.... not many people are gonna be able to run up on Nagato, speed be damned IMHO. Now I'm not saying a 'runaway' battle because Minato is in my opinion the best user of seals in the entire manga. For they're 'known' techs, Nagato can switch path, after path, on a whim, grow extra arms, he's off the meat hook. What a fucking waste, he shoulda been the 'final' villan, and Edo Itachi, Sasuke, Naruto, should be battling him instead of Madara IMHO. Sheer power, nobody in the manga touches this Dude IMHO, nobody. I used to think Deidara's Art was a huge blast, that was a puppy compared to what Nagato does. And to top it off, he has a HUGE chakra tank, more than Naruto IMHO. Now come on out go crazy and get at me, we could debate this.

i must say if nagato is so unbeatable how did he just lose to itachi?

i must say if nagato is so unbeatable how did he just lose to itachi?
It was a 3 vs 1 situation.

It was a 3 vs 1 situation.

As well as Nagato under the control of one of the many, many, many resident morons of the series, Kabuto.

@Neo: I'd say if Nagato has any "extra eyes" floating around, so to speak (like with the summons and the Hell King and whatnot), he takes it. Minato would probably win if Nagato didn't have a way of catching a blindside, but all Nagato would need is to make a summon or two and he'd have all the eyes he'd need to be untouchable.

As well as Nagato under the control of one of the many, many, many resident morons of the series, Kabuto.

@Neo: I'd say if Nagato has any "extra eyes" floating around, so to speak (like with the summons and the Hell King and whatnot), he takes it. Minato would probably win if Nagato didn't have a way of catching a blindside, but all Nagato would need is to make a summon or two and he'd have all the eyes he'd need to be untouchable.

Not only that, did you notice the speed in which he drained the 8tail Jink Sync'd like nothing, quicker than Samehada, and SIMULTANEOUSLY, switch to another path in basically little to no time. The other thing that I noticed, and I must say was kinda weird to me... when Nagato & Itachi were walking around, Nagato saw everything, Itachi was acting like he was still blind. Amaretsu, Nagato knew, Killerbee (who's not slow), attempted to slide in on him, ANOTHER path, with ANOTHER arm that grabbed him by the throat, while dragging Naruto's soul out at the same time. My take, from what I've seen, only Madara could get close to Nagato without getting crushed, everybody else, he'll simply grab them own them, Shinrai Tensei theim, take they're chakra, and the list continues. That Dude shouldn't have lost to anybody, just my take.

Not only that, did you notice the speed in which he drained the 8tail Jink Sync'd like nothing, quicker than Samehada, and SIMULTANEOUSLY, switch to another path in basically little to no time. The other thing that I noticed, and I must say was kinda weird to me... when Nagato & Itachi were walking around, Nagato saw everything, Itachi was acting like he was still blind. Amaretsu, Nagato knew, Killerbee (who's not slow), attempted to slide in on him, ANOTHER path, with ANOTHER arm that grabbed him by the throat, while dragging Naruto's soul out at the same time. My take, from what I've seen, only Madara could get close to Nagato without getting crushed, everybody else, he'll simply grab them own them, Shinrai Tensei theim, take they're chakra, and the list continues. That Dude shouldn't have lost to anybody, just my take.

Worth noting that Nagato owned KB with Asura path without even looking because the Snake-Tailed Chameleon saw KB coming. Hence the "extra eyes" comment. Without those he wouldn't be that hard to fuck up for someone who relies on speed and stealth over big flashy ninja magic.

Worth noting that Nagato owned KB with Asura path without even looking because the Snake-Tailed Chameleon saw KB coming. Hence the "extra eyes" comment. Without those he wouldn't be that hard to fuck up for someone who relies on speed and stealth over big flashy ninja magic.

Honestly I don't know 'a lot' about the first 2 Kages, because they're kinda shrouded in mystery, and most of they're feats are on paper, not on panels, but every other Kage, from every village I've seen would die to Nagato's hands.

It was a 3 vs 1 situation.

But itachi saved naruto and Bee, figured out chibaku tensais weaknes (his most powerful jutsu) then all three shot it. Its not clear if either ones attack alone could've destroyed it since it was still so small.

Either way itachi just owned nagato. Once itachi stepped in it was over because his sasanoo is Mega godly with those 3 power ups.

And minato vs nagato?

Even though nagato has his summons to watch his back, his reflexes nor anyone else's are fast enough to react in time to minatos FTG blitz from either direction IMO.

Kizaru can kill everybody in Naruto manga even if they all attacked him at once. I don't care how fast people like Minato or Raikage are, NOBODY can move at the speed of light. Since the concept of Haki doesn't exist in this manga any attack against him would have the same result as this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyScuw4AzF0&feature=related).

Really?

By feats of ur video and some of what dag said minato, itachi and sasuke could take this guy.

Minatos T/S jutsu>>>>>>the speed of light! Minato travels anywhere INSTANTLY which is way faster then 186,000 MPS. Not to mention dudes light speed from the yata mirror didnt seem that fast compared to how fast light speed movement from that distance should be. It didn't seem any faster then a shishin IMO.
And minato could seal dude with his shiki fuujin since he just stands there and lest attacks hit him because hes clearly over confident in his regeneration ability.

Itachi is a god in his sasanoo lol. No matter how fast dude is he cant touch itachi. And while he sits there baffled he can be hit with tosuka sword which would seal him or amaterasu which would burn him up until he could no longer regenerate (as dag said, the regeneration is limited)

And sasuke could use sasanoo/amaterasu combo as well.

Possibly even shikamaru or shikaku if they can catch guy with his shadow, paralyzing his movement then just choke him out with shadow strangle since Im sure he cant live without oxygen and cant regenerate a constant choke hold.

Nagato have a fucking laser cannon for an extra arm. Even KB froze when Nagato point that thing to him at close range

But itachi saved naruto and Bee, figured out chibaku tensais weaknes (his most powerful jutsu) then all three shot it. Its not clear if either ones attack alone could've destroyed it since it was still so small.

Either way itachi just owned nagato. Once itachi stepped in it was over because his sasanoo is Mega godly with those 3 power ups.

And minato vs nagato?

Even though nagato has his summons to watch his back, his reflexes nor anyone else's are fast enough to react in time to minatos FTG blitz from either direction IMO.

That my friend is 'false advertisement', name anybody, anybody, that could fight 2 of the highest sync'd jinks in the whole manga, totally own them both, whip out jutsu after jutsu, and then fight Itachi at the same time? And don't say Madara please, he whips out few jutsu's if any, all he could do is escape, and warp them. Nagato fought them, and with one body couldn't account for Itachi especially when controlled by an uber tactician like Kabuto, lol.

Before you say Harashrima he's dead, living characters only.

look KYF

very simple

Minato= teleport, rasengan, sealing

Madara= teleport, lying

Kabuto= unhealthy obsession with Oro, idiot

Nagato= soul sucking, chakra sucking gravity control, revival, summoning, laser cannon arm, missiles

now who among these should be the final boss?

look KYF

very simple

Minato= teleport, rasengan, sealing

Madara= teleport, lying

Kabuto= unhealthy obsession with Oro, idiot

Nagato= soul sucking, chakra sucking gravity control, revival, summoning, laser cannon arm, missiles

now who among these should be the final boss?
The human transformer.

That my friend is 'false advertisement', name anybody, anybody, that could fight 2 of the highest sync'd jinks in the whole manga, totally own them both, whip out jutsu after jutsu, and then fight Itachi at the same time? And don't say Madara please, he whips out few jutsu's if any, all he could do is escape, and warp them. Nagato fought them, and with one body couldn't account for Itachi especially when controlled by an uber tactician like Kabuto, lol.

Before you say Harashrima he's dead, living characters only.

Nagato didnt fight Itachi and the jinks at the same time...:confused:

Nagato was holding down naruto because he had his soul and KB ignorantly charged in like he usually does and got caught by demon realm powers.
Then after studying nagatos abilities itachi blinded the summons, saved naruto and Bee instead of mercing nagato from behind which had to be plot BS since it also would've saved naruto and Bee, but beat nagato as well.

Instead kishi had nagato use his most powerful jutsu against itachi with his (sasanoo). Itachi figured chibaku tensai out in mere seconds then used the blast of it along with the blinded summons so they couldnt see itachis sneak attack using the sword of totsuka.

Kishi presents the IDEA IMO, that although RG>MS. Again, an intelligent fighter can use a far less powerful weapon to defeat an enemy with a far more powerful one. Kind of like the analogy when sasukes SG and mastery was able to overcome itachis tsukuyomi.

Point being, no matter how powerful the weapon. Its only as effective as the person who's using it.
by this and the presentation of last chapter healthy nagato<Healthy itachi.

Really?

By feats of ur video and some of what dag said minato, itachi and sasuke could take this guy.

ROFL!!!!!

That was a casual kick from Kizaru. He wasn't even taking the fight seriously, even though that guy he kicked in the video disemboweled him moments before that happened.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v52/c510/3.html

Minatos T/S jutsu>>>>>>the speed of light! Minato travels anywhere INSTANTLY which is way faster then 186,000 MPS. Not to mention dudes light speed from the yata mirror didnt seem that fast compared to how fast light speed movement from that distance should be. It didn't seem any faster then a shishin IMO.

Minato's telerportation is not going to help him at all against Kizaru. His movements are instant when he teleports, but his combat speed is bellow Kizaru's by a ridiculous margin. Here are few examples of casual Kizaru speed feats:

Kizaru disappears right in front of Hawking's eyes and then reappears in front of him instantaneously.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v52/c509/15.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v52/c509/16.html

Here he moves from where he kicked Apoo to being right in front of Drake. Notice how the dude didn't even register that Kizaru was about to kick him in the face.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v52/c510/6.html

And minato could seal dude with his shiki fuujin since he just stands there and lest attacks hit him because hes clearly over confident in his regeneration ability.

Before Minato even finishes his jutsu he eats one of these

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v52/c507/16.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v57/c558/4.html

Itachi is a god in his sasanoo lol.

No.

No matter how fast dude is he cant touch itachi. And while he sits there baffled he can be hit with tosuka sword which would seal him or amaterasu which would burn him up until he could no longer regenerate (as dag said, the regeneration is limited)

Amateratsu is not going to consume Kizaru. It has laughable burning rate feats, and Kizaru can simply jettison w/e part of him is burning. I said that there is no proof of logia being able to regenerate from nothing, but they have tanked attacks with immense amount of power and walked out of it without so much as a scratch.

Here is Kizaru emerging unharmed after taking a bicycle kick from Marco, which generated a massive explosion just from the impact.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v57/c554/3.html

Even if we assume that the shield on Itachi's Susanoo can withstand anything(nothing suggests that), Kizaru is a master in combat. He won't waste his time repeating a strategy that won't work. While Itachi's only chance of survival is Susano0, and the second that runs out he is pretty much doomed ( assuming this is non edo Itachi, since he can't die. In which case Kizaru would just leave and go do smething else ).

And sasuke could use sasanoo/amaterasu combo as well.

Sasuke's Susanoo was bypassed by attacks far less powerful than Kizaru's finger lasers. Kizaru would turn Sasuke into Swiss cheese.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v52/c508/10.html

Possibly even shikamaru or shikaku if they can catch guy with his shadow, paralyzing his movement then just choke him out with shadow strangle since Im sure he cant live without oxygen and cant regenerate a constant choke hold.

Wow.

Sorry dude, but that is even more ludicrous than superninja claiming that Sakura could beat Luffy in a fight. Kizaru would end Shikamaru or Shikau before they could even perceive what was happening. I will tell you what I told Superninja: Before comparing 2 characters from separate series, make sure you have knowledge on both of them.

Nagato didnt fight Itachi and the jinks at the same time...:confused:

Nagato was holding down naruto because he had his soul and KB ignorantly charged in like he usually does and got caught by demon realm powers.
Then after studying nagatos abilities itachi blinded the summons, saved naruto and Bee instead of mercing nagato from behind which had to be plot BS since it also would've saved naruto and Bee, but beat nagato as well.

Instead kishi had nagato use his most powerful jutsu against itachi with his (sasanoo). Itachi figured chibaku tensai out in mere seconds then used the blast of it along with the blinded summons so they couldnt see itachis sneak attack using the sword of totsuka.

Kishi presents the IDEA IMO, that although RG>MS. Again, an intelligent fighter can use a far less powerful weapon to defeat an enemy with a far more powerful one. Kind of like the analogy when sasukes SG and mastery was able to overcome itachis tsukuyomi.

Point being, no matter how powerful the weapon. Its only as effective as the person who's using it.
by this and the presentation of last chapter healthy nagato<Healthy itachi.

You're correct, what actually happened when Nagato 'woke up' from his Amaretsu sleep, he went HAM calling out Chibaki Tensei, and yes Itachi had the mindset of destroying it while it was still small, but it took ALL 3 Techs to blow it up, therefore anyone thinking Itachi's tech alone could've destroyed it is prolly very wrong IMHO. At the point he Shinrai Tensei's KB's ass to a different part of the battle arena, and he makes the comeback and gets his chakra owned, then he dismisses him and goes to Naruto in the blink of an eye. KB tries again and gets grabbed by the mechanical arm.

Now during all of this dumb assed Kabuto has forgot that Itachi is free, and roaming around, and spends no time on him, not too smart huh? Thats Kabuto's mind, not Nagato, he wasn't controlling himself. So in Vs. you'd have to put the mindset into Nagato with the mentality he had before Rainbow Talk screwed him. I dig Itachi, and his fans can believe all day that he could defeat Nagato its just not an honest assesment.

Come to think of it, even though Itachi, Naruto and Bee were attacking Nagato at the same time, he was doing nothing to attack Itachi and in stead just focused on the other two. The situation was unfair to Nagato, but in a one-on-one situation, he definitely could beat Itachi. It's not too difficult to comprehend really.

Saying that Itachi owned him is not as unanimous or absolute as it is being made to seem here. Nagato never focused on Itachi, if he had, the situation might have been different. Plus, it took the strongest attacks of all 3 to negate Nagato's Chibaku Tensei.

P.S. What's with people first calling Pain, Pein and now Nagato, Negato???

P.S. What's with people first calling Pain, Pein and now Nagato, Negato???
Pain relates to the 6 Paths of Pain. Nagato is the human behind the 6 Paths of Pain. We call Nagato because his name is Nagato while when we want to relate to the 6 Paths we call him Pain. Hope that helps.

Edit: You mean the spelling of the name? When it was first translated some idiot put Pein instead of Pain. Guess they didn't know how to spell? Why people call Nagato Negato I have no clue.

[QUOTE]You're correct, what actually happened when Nagato 'woke up' from his Amaretsu sleep, he went HAM calling out Chibaki Tensei, and yes Itachi had the mindset of destroying it while it was still small, but it took ALL 3 Techs to blow it up, therefore anyone thinking Itachi's tech alone could've destroyed it is prolly very wrong IMHO. At the point he Shinrai Tensei's KB's ass to a different part of the battle arena, and he makes the comeback and gets his chakra owned, then he dismisses him and goes to Naruto in the blink of an eye. KB tries again and gets grabbed by the mechanical arm.

Just because both shot CT in the sky doesn't mean eithers single attacks weren't enough to stop the chibaku tensai. Itachi said "attack" and everyone did, not "we need to combine our power if were to destroy it".

And even if itachi's yasha mangatama couldn't destroy it from below it would inside chibaku tensai because itachi would get sucked to the center allowing itachi to destroy it from there and in sasanoo is unable to be crushed. So either way itachi himself could get past CT.

Now during all of this dumb assed Kabuto has forgot that Itachi is free, and roaming around, and spends no time on him, not too smart huh? Thats Kabuto's mind, not Nagato, he wasn't controlling himself. So in Vs. you'd have to put the mindset into Nagato with the mentality he had before Rainbow Talk screwed him. I dig Itachi, and his fans can believe all day that he could defeat Nagato its just not an honest assesment.

In a one on one fight, both healthy its going to be:

Nagato: with gedo mazo, but not performing as well as he did against the jinks because he cant absorb KBs most powerful bijuu human form which clearly made a difference judging by his performance there and the other against danzous root and hanzous men.

Itachi: with the crow with shisuis eye (its his fuck naruto) and the three treasures equipped to his sasanoo.

in the same setting, Itachi can take nagato IMO. Nagato uses no bushins and itachis speed of his jutsu are still faster IMO considering his feats against kakashi and sasuke.
Nagato attacks a bushin and hes screwed! Itachi would pounce nagato in an instant while nagato tries to suck the soul of a bushin.
Nagato has no way to get to itachi in sasanoo other then HG realms chakra absorbing ability which means he has to get too close in which itachi can plant a kunai right in his head.
WIth yata mirror which the DB3 said deflects all ninjutsu means demon realms lazers and rockets wont do sqaut. And the summons aren't going to do much either because of sasanoos natural defensive capabilities. ST and CT are the only good long range weapons nagato has, but neither can do much to itachi inside sasanoo. And we already saw what happened to chibaku tensai.

And not to mention nagato showed no real intelligence in any of his fights. Hes more like naruto just using his overwhelming power to defeat his enemies. In fact, kabuto had nagato performing better then we have ever seen him perform (or it was the hachibis massive chakra boost).
Nagato can't over power itachi with his intelligent use of bushins, genjutsu and sasanoo. Nagatos tactics wont work against itachi in a one on one fight.

Itachi beat nagato twice. He showed amaterasu can hit nagato and HG realms power cant absorb it. He had to use ST which still left nagato so messed up he was falling apart literally. Sword of totsuka works for him and his summons as well IMO.

nagato seemed way over hyped because he magically got his health back plus some with the hachibi boost and just surprised naruto.

Just because both shot CT in the sky doesn't mean eithers single attacks weren't enough to stop the chibaku tensai. Itachi said "attack" and everyone did, not "we need to combine our power if were to destroy it"


http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/24027713/13

He say lets hit it at once with all of our most powerful attack= lets combine our power to kill it.

itachis speed of his jutsu are still faster IMO considering his feats against kakashi and sasuke.

Nagato is faster. He doesnt need to use any handseal. He can change it at his will. He can use several path or all path at the same time.

Nagato attacks a bushin and hes screwed! Itachi would pounce nagato in an instant while nagato tries to suck the soul of a bushin.

A bushin puff when being attack. He cant suck anything that puff at a mere attack.

Nagato has no way to get to itachi in sasanoo other then HG realms chakra absorbing ability which means he has to get too close in which itachi can plant a kunai right in his head.
WIth yata mirror which the DB3 said deflects all ninjutsu means demon realms lazers and rockets wont do sqaut. And the summons aren't going to do much either because of sasanoos natural defensive capabilities. ST and CT are the only good long range weapons nagato has, but neither can do much to itachi inside sasanoo.

And you're assuming Nagato have no other jutsus beside his path? Ok lets talk about susanoo. How long can Itachi maintain Susanoo? Nagato have been shown to have a massive chakra supply and he can suck chakra form other beings if he need to replenish. Your fav ninja Itachi even mention, every jutsu have a weakness. What makes you think Nagato cant trap Itachi in that black ball that needs the full power of the nine tails to break free?

Itachi beat nagato twice

1st he beat a sick man and when Nagato is healthy it took him and two jinks.

nagato seemed way over hyped because he magically got his health

Well a sick Nagato can blow up an entire village, imagine what a healthy one can do?

Well a sick Nagato can blow up an entire village, imagine what a healthy one can do?

Lol probably rebuild the village, lmao

[QUOTE=NeoKakarott023;1962791]

Just because both shot CT in the sky doesn't mean eithers single attacks weren't enough to stop the chibaku tensai. Itachi said "attack" and everyone did, not "we need to combine our power if were to destroy it".

And even if itachi's yasha mangatama couldn't destroy it from below it would inside chibaku tensai because itachi would get sucked to the center allowing itachi to destroy it from there and in sasanoo is unable to be crushed. So either way itachi himself could get past CT.



In a one on one fight, both healthy its going to be:

Nagato: with gedo mazo, but not performing as well as he did against the jinks because he cant absorb KBs most powerful bijuu human form which clearly made a difference judging by his performance there and the other against danzous root and hanzous men.

Itachi: with the crow with shisuis eye (its his fuck naruto) and the three treasures equipped to his sasanoo.

in the same setting, Itachi can take nagato IMO. Nagato uses no bushins and itachis speed of his jutsu are still faster IMO considering his feats against kakashi and sasuke.
Nagato attacks a bushin and hes screwed! Itachi would pounce nagato in an instant while nagato tries to suck the soul of a bushin.
Nagato has no way to get to itachi in sasanoo other then HG realms chakra absorbing ability which means he has to get too close in which itachi can plant a kunai right in his head.
WIth yata mirror which the DB3 said deflects all ninjutsu means demon realms lazers and rockets wont do sqaut. And the summons aren't going to do much either because of sasanoos natural defensive capabilities. ST and CT are the only good long range weapons nagato has, but neither can do much to itachi inside sasanoo. And we already saw what happened to chibaku tensai.

And not to mention nagato showed no real intelligence in any of his fights. Hes more like naruto just using his overwhelming power to defeat his enemies. In fact, kabuto had nagato performing better then we have ever seen him perform (or it was the hachibis massive chakra boost).
Nagato can't over power itachi with his intelligent use of bushins, genjutsu and sasanoo. Nagatos tactics wont work against itachi in a one on one fight.

Itachi beat nagato twice. He showed amaterasu can hit nagato and HG realms power cant absorb it. He had to use ST which still left nagato so messed up he was falling apart literally. Sword of totsuka works for him and his summons as well IMO.

nagato seemed way over hyped because he magically got his health back plus some with the hachibi boost and just surprised naruto.

Stop, Nagato was Kabuto's puppet, thats whom was fighting, Kabuto. Nagato's techs were used, take the same Nagato that killed Hanzo, and had Naruto skewered to the ground, after turning Konoha into a parking lot... put THAT Guy in the head of Nagato, and you let me know who wins that fight, and be for real. I need say no more.

Lol probably rebuild the village, lmao

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yl3UMO-TkE

http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/24027713/13[/url]

He say lets hit it at once with all of our most powerful attack= lets combine our power to kill it.

Where did itachi say "we have to combine our power if we are to kill it"? All itachi did was make sure he used every resource possible to stop CT. Its better to use too much power then not enough.


Nagato is faster. He doesnt need to use any handseal. He can change it at his will. He can use several path or all path at the same time.


Lol, nagatos able to use his jutsu simultaneously which is why they are fast. However, itachi despite not have such an ability can create jutsu at such high speed the enemy cant even track them with the SG.

kakashi, kurenaihttp://www.mangareader.net/93-147-9/naruto/chapter-142.html
sasukehttp://www.mangareader.net/93-392-9/naruto/chapter-387.html

A bushin puff when being attack. He cant suck anything that puff at a mere attack.

Karasu bushins dont! Point still being nagato alone has to use direct attacks and can be fooled by bushins.

And you're assuming Nagato have no other jutsus beside his path? Ok lets talk about susanoo. How long can Itachi maintain Susanoo? Nagato have been shown to have a massive chakra supply and he can suck chakra form other beings if he need to replenish. Your fav ninja Itachi even mention, every jutsu have a weakness. What makes you think Nagato cant trap Itachi in that black ball that needs the full power of the nine tails to break free?

Has nagato ever shown the ability to use any other jutsu then the elemental he learned from Jman or his 7 RG abilities? No! I can play that game too and assume itachi has a shit ton more of godly jutsu, but thats not how VS works.

Agreed every jutsu has a weakness, but its up to the ninja to figure said weakness out. Nagato has no feats of intelligence or analytical skills even remotely similar to itachis. SO how is nagato supposed to figure out a weakness in sasanoo without the intelligence and analytical skis necessary to do so?

1st he beat a sick man and when Nagato is healthy it took him and two jinks.


It was itachi, KB and naruto vs chibaku tensai not nagato..:rolleyes:

Itachi blinded nagatos summons, rescued the jinks from him then merced him using actaul ninja tactics.....


Well a sick Nagato can blow up an entire village, imagine what a healthy one can do?

Nagato was sick because he was puring his chakra into six separate bodies using the chakra rods from gedo mazo. ANd last I checked using mega ST nearly killed nagato forcing konan to have to come to his aid.

[QUOTE=Konnaha_yellow_flash;1962849]

Stop, Nagato was Kabuto's puppet, thats whom was fighting, Kabuto. Nagato's techs were used, take the same Nagato that killed Hanzo, and had Naruto skewered to the ground, after turning Konoha into a parking lot... put THAT Guy in the head of Nagato, and you let me know who wins that fight, and be for real. I need say no more.

Nagato was using a more effective use of the RG's power in six separate bodies from a great distance which allowed nagato to avoid harm. As the six paths of pain nagato was clouded in secrecy and using indirect tactics against his enemies which made him far more effective.

Nagato on his own showed only the ability for direct attacks which are risky in combat (against danzou, hanzou and now the jinks). The six paths of pain>nagato due to use of more effective tactics.

Where did itachi say "we have to combine our power if we are to kill it"? All itachi did was make sure he used every resource possible to stop CT. Its better to use too much power then not enough.




Lol, nagatos able to use his jutsu simultaneously which is why they are fast. However, itachi despite not have such an ability can create jutsu at such high speed the enemy cant even track them with the SG.

kakashi, kurenaihttp://www.mangareader.net/93-147-9/naruto/chapter-142.html
sasukehttp://www.mangareader.net/93-392-9/naruto/chapter-387.html



Karasu bushins dont! Point still being nagato alone has to use direct attacks and can be fooled by bushins.



Has nagato ever shown the ability to use any other jutsu then the elemental he learned from Jman or his 7 RG abilities? No! I can play that game too and assume itachi has a shit ton more of godly jutsu, but thats not how VS works.

Agreed every jutsu has a weakness, but its up to the ninja to figure said weakness out. Nagato has no feats of intelligence or analytical skills even remotely similar to itachis. SO how is nagato supposed to figure out a weakness in sasanoo without the intelligence and analytical skis necessary to do so?



It was itachi, KB and naruto vs chibaku tensai not nagato..:rolleyes:

Itachi blinded nagatos summons, rescued the jinks from him then merced him using actaul ninja tactics.....




Nagato was sick because he was puring his chakra into six separate bodies using the chakra rods from gedo mazo. ANd last I checked using mega ST nearly killed nagato forcing konan to have to come to his aid.

[QUOTE=NeoKakarott023;1962912]

Nagato was using a more effective use of the RG's power in six separate bodies from a great distance which allowed nagato to avoid harm. As the six paths of pain nagato was clouded in secrecy and using indirect tactics against his enemies which made him far more effective.

Nagato on his own showed only the ability for direct attacks which are risky in combat (against danzou, hanzou and now the jinks). The six paths of pain>nagato due to use of more effective tactics.

So is your answer that Itachi begins the fight off the giddyup in Susanno?? If not how does Itachi #1 keep Nagato off him, #2 avoid Shinrai Tensei repeatedly, and lastly, how does he get Nagato to stand still so he could hit him with the Sword of Totsuka? None of that sounds logical, just like fanning.


We know Amaretsu does nothing, he can blast that away, and additionally if Nagato has summons out, he also see's what they see, so can Itachi cast a genjutsu that'll fool all his summons and himself. I'd think Nagato could even fake, to allow Itachi to believe his doujutsu actually caught him, then find a way to dog him, just my take. The one thing you don't account for is chakra tanks, and EVERYBODY knows that Nagato's > Itachi's, thats just fakt. You can never beat math, no way Itachi could last with Nagato, at all.

So is your answer that Itachi begins the fight off the giddyup in Susanno?? If not how does Itachi #1 keep Nagato off him, #2 avoid Shinrai Tensei repeatedly, and lastly, how does he get Nagato to stand still so he could hit him with the Sword of Totsuka? None of that sounds logical, just like fanning.

Itachi doesn't have to start in sasanoo since he can activate in the faction of a second that Kirin strikes.
1. Genjutsu, bushins, MS jutsu ect ect. Take a pic. Nagato has speed of jutsu not high physical speed like itachi and sasuke with they're SG's plus shushin.

2. ST or BT can be avoided through genjutsu and bushins.

3. Nagato is one person! He doesn't use bushins and can't see through clouds of smoke or solid objects like the SG can. Using the dust cloud from the CT blast was clearly apart of itachis strategy to hit nagato with the sword of totsuka after blinding his summons so they can't see the sword coming fro him.
Nagato wasn't plot sitting, he had no reason to be running or on guard when he saw no danger until he was already hit.

We know Amaretsu does nothing, he can blast that away,

LMAO, so nagato didn't get burned so bad he was literally falling apart hunh?http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/65686308/15
Amaterasu would almost kill nagato if it hit him because it clearly takes time for nagato to be able to exspell it using ST. Amaterasu=fat ladys singing fro nagato.

and additionally if Nagato has summons out, he also see's what they see, so can Itachi cast a genjutsu that'll fool all his summons and himself. I'd think Nagato could even fake, to allow Itachi to believe his doujutsu actually caught him, then find a way to dog him, just my take. The one thing you don't account for is chakra tanks, and EVERYBODY knows that Nagato's > Itachi's, thats just fakt. You can never beat math, no way Itachi could last with Nagato, at all.

Itachi within a couple seconds of seeing nagato fighting noticed his summons see for him as well which is why he blinded them.
U forget that itachi studies his opponent abilities, form a strategy then takes them out in one combo attack. Meanwhile nagato charges in with direct attacks merely trying to over power his enemy which wont work on someone like itachi who uses bushins, genjutsu and sasanoo if all fails.

And How does nagato larger stamina=win for him? U know that itachi doesn't fight for long periods.. He ends his enemy with a quickness just like deidara and Oro twice. Sasuke only lasted so long because itachi wanted him to.

And again in this fight itachi showed he wipes his opponent out with a quickness when he stomped nagato in no time flat like everyone else.

Ur acting like an awesome hax alone like the RG is enough for an average shinobi like nagato to beat itachi. Completely disregarding itachis Brilliance in combat with tactics and strategy, his super sasanoo with the 3 treasures that wont even let nagato hurt him and shisuis Kotoamasukami itachi rightfully gets to use as his own in any fight since it was given to him and itachi made it applicable Via one of his Crow summons plus the MS with the Tsukuyomi that can beat nagato whether his summons are watching or not because its instant.

All that>the RG.
All that

You my friend, are an idiot.

Nagato has speed of jutsu not high physical speed like itachi and sasuke with they're SG's plus shushin.

1. Nagato is fast

2. Even if Itachi faster, Asura path have rocket boots.

Nagato is one person! He doesn't use bushins and can't see through clouds of smoke or solid objects like the SG can.

Since when Sharingan can see through solid objects?


LMAO, so nagato didn't get burned so bad he was literally falling apart hunh?http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/65686308/15

In that page we see

1. Ama can burn stuff

2. Nagato wants to get burn

3. Then Kabuto control him and he repels it.

In a vs, when nagato saw that black fire he will repel it first then run away

U forget that itachi studies his opponent abilities, form a strategy then takes them out in one combo attack. Meanwhile nagato charges in with direct attacks merely trying to over power his enemy which wont work on someone like itachi who uses bushins, genjutsu and sasanoo if all fails.


So does Nagato. He knows his opponent first before jumping, unless there is no time to do that. He knows Jiraiya and prepared for him. He knows Jiraiya cant perform genjutsu and he didn't prepared for the toad song. When the toad sings he got caught by surprised.

And How does nagato larger stamina=win for him? U know that itachi doesn't fight for long periods.. He ends his enemy with a quickness just like deidara and Oro twice.

And Nagato also fight for quick wins. He doesn't play with his opponent. He will finish them quickly and wont pull any punches.

Unless earth doesn't count as object (correct if only anime), Sharingan can see through shit as long as there's chakra to make the "x-ray" light up. Of course, unlike the Byakugan which can see the whole picture inside out no matter what.

But to help kluang out; The Rinnegan can spot invisible barriers and chakra gatherings if I'm not mistaken. If you won't take this, which I know you wouldn't:
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/534/15248877sj6.jpg
Say hello to Rinnegan. The mother of all eyes and mankind.

when pain gonna fuck konoha he use the rinenngan to spot the barrier

and nagato can sense amaterasu

http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/65686308/4

and maybe all of itachi japanese god jutsus

Sharingan cannot see through shit just gives colour meaning to chakra. If an opponent hides behind a wall sharingan cannot see through the wall except byakugan

Sharingan cannot see through shit just gives colour meaning to chakra. If an opponent hides behind a wall sharingan cannot see through the wall except byakugan

http://i5.mangareader.net/naruto/361/naruto-7323.jpg
Sure, k-lai. And now I'm supposed to believe the page in the spoiler above never happened, it's fan art?

@kluang: I'm seriously doubting sensing the heat pressure emitting from Itachi's eye implied Jutsu, or specifically Sharingan Jutsu detection power. The kid died about a chapter later. Wouldn't you think it's a bit weird introducing another Rinnegan/Nagato hax, only before killing him 1 chapter later. A horrible death not to mention also. I call bullshit based on this.

What I'm trying to say is, my definition of 'sense' is what every actual skilled ninja out there can. I'm pretty sure other men(seriously, men) familiar with Itachi and his ways would've come up with that correct explanation for the sudden pressure change because they know.

Sakura vs A giraffe.

PS: It's up to you to choose which giraffe ;D.

Sakura vs A giraffe.

PS: It's up to you to choose which giraffe ;D.

I've been thinking, a Sakura battle royal

We pit every known Sakura from every known manga and anime and have a battle royal and sees the ultimate Sakura

We shouldn't stop with just other Sakuras. Sakura from Naruto is an insult to pink haired manga chicks in general. Speaking of manga chicks, can all the named women in Naruto take down this duo ?

http://celebrity-photos.elliottback.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/yoruichi-07.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cuB559rGtZQ/SsnKMmBH0oI/AAAAAAAAAJk/tOGdyNFc7VA/s400/250px-BoaHancockfullbody.jpg

fuck. no. lol.

No .

A pink hair battle royal?

Personally, I think Sakura from Naruto will not be able to defeat Cardcaptor Sakura.

Yuroichi woukd tear apart Every chick in the Narutoverse. I dunno about the other chick but yuroichi is enough.

No .

A pink hair battle royal?

Personally, I think Sakura from Naruto will not be able to defeat Cardcaptor Sakura.

And thats saying alot ;)

I dunno about the other chick

Behold the might of the Pirate Empress! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W586POCx6Ms)

Seras Victoria dogs all of them.

Sakura

vs

Giraffe of Doom Kaku

http://homepages.nyu.edu/~dcc290/Transform.jpg

^Dude, that's too much. Let's make it Kalifa of the CP9

She would stomp Sakura too.


Let's make it Sakura vs Pre-Impel Down Buggy.

And thats saying alot ;)

As far as female fighters goes, Cardcaptor Sakura is one of the most powerful or maybe the most powerful.

As far as female fighters goes, Cardcaptor Sakura is one of the most powerful or maybe the most powerful.

Yeah she has some certain female badass sense about her.

Yeah she has some certain female badass sense about her.

Nah, she's not bad ass. Her cards which makes her extremely powerful. She got 53 cards. With those cards she commands the power of light and darkness. All the main elements (earth, wind, etc) secondary elements (wood, ice, shadow etc). She got trap cards (maze, loop, lock, illusion) weapon cards, (sword, shield, arrow etc) Ability cards (big, small, fly, jump). And she can combine two cards power. She once combine maze and illusion to create surreal place to put her friends in a pocket dimension without them ever knowing it.

Sakura vs. Misa Amane.

fight takes about 2 seconds. I'll refrain from openly stating who wins to smoke out idiot narutards for the hell of it.

everybody loves that invisible, #262626 text

Misa Wins

Sakura vs. Misa Amane.

There is no vs. It's not like a battle. Just a little name to get written down and it's over.

Nah, she's not bad ass. Her cards which makes her extremely powerful. She got 53 cards. With those cards she commands the power of light and darkness. All the main elements (earth, wind, etc) secondary elements (wood, ice, shadow etc). She got trap cards (maze, loop, lock, illusion) weapon cards, (sword, shield, arrow etc) Ability cards (big, small, fly, jump). And she can combine two cards power. She once combine maze and illusion to create surreal place to put her friends in a pocket dimension without them ever knowing it.

I hear ya.

Haven't watch Card Captor in forever though forgot some things lmao. Use to watch it on Cartoon Network when they had it on.

Sakura
http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/characters/4/51572.jpg

Vs
Ghost Princess Perona
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_3sU0MnRawMI/TPXMDuuPBKI/AAAAAAAABdU/oLknPjdlz7g/s320/perona2.jpg

There is no vs. It's not like a battle. Just a little name to get written down and it's over.

Sakura really can't catch a break huh?

Sakura vs. Chi-chi!? (:cool:)

Sakura wins.

Torikohttp://imageftw.com/uploads/20110311/Toriko%20v04%20c26%20-%2012-13.png


vs.



Raikagehttp://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/5339/387538-cea2762975a4dbf1a0403aff6425f96c_super.j pg


Fuck yeah!!! Let the epic showdown begin.

Sakura wins. Not by much.

Yup. well the only I remember about chi chi's fight is her match with Goku in the tournament.

I remember during the Garlic Junior Saga, she had glowing red energy around her when she got pissed off by someone... I don't know how much of that was due to comic relief, but...

^Garlic Junior Saga was an anime filler arc.



Chi-chi is weaker then pre-DBZ Yamcha. Even so she'll beat the shit out of Sakura.

Lucy
http://elfen-lied09.webs.com/elfenlied107hb.jpg
vs Sakura

or

Road Kamelot
http://www.glogster.com/media/4/20/83/25/20832570.gif
vs Sakura

Any version of Lucy would shove her vector arms inside Sakura's ass and make her explode.

@Toriko vs Raikage.

Toriko has more than enough power to 1 shot Raikage. But, sadly I might add, Toriko lacks in speed big time. So far no character in Toriko has displayed insane speed, but that should change soon. I'll give raikage the win for now.

Sakura vs Ikaros from Sora Otoshimono

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mnJRErkphFY/TMwp1brwSnI/AAAAAAAAABw/JjQIBlWjfgw/s1600/thumbs_moe-110100-cleavage-extraction-ikaros-sora_no_otoshimono-vector-wings.png

^Garlic Junior Saga was an anime filler arc.



Chi-chi is weaker then pre-DBZ Yamcha. Even so she'll beat the shit out of Sakura.

Oh, ok... I've never read the manga, so I wasn't sure.

Sakura vs Ikaros from Sora Otoshimono
Can anyone in Naruto beat that chick?

Can anyone in Naruto beat that chick?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/archive/7/73/20110128203738!Trollface.png

If it's any consolation, she would rape One Piece/Bleach/Toriko and Fairy Tail as well.

Lucy
http://elfen-lied09.webs.com/elfenlied107hb.jpg
vs Sakura

or

Road Kamelot
http://www.glogster.com/media/4/20/83/25/20832570.gif
vs Sakura

They both would destroy Sakura, without hesitation. Lucy wouldn't even need to get closer than 2 meters to kill her. The only thing that might stop Lucy is her other personality.

Road just hates everything outside of Allen and the rest of the Noahs, so there wouldn't even be any form of hesitation before she ripped Sakura's head off.

9 rookies ( No Sasuke or Naruto )

vs

CP9

http://images.wikia.com/onepiece/images/4/4f/Cp92.jpg

^That's just too much. Rookie 9 doesn't stand a chance. If the CP9 commander is involved, the rookie 9 have a chance of beating him.

In fact, rookie 9 will still get raped together if they all go against any one of the CP9

Poor rookies lol. If Only they were not trapped in a gay teen drama.

Aburame clan vs Tommyrod from Toriko

http://media.animevice.com/uploads/1/11250/414344-55_super.jpg

Sakura
http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/characters/4/51572.jpg

Vs
Ghost Princess Perona
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_3sU0MnRawMI/TPXMDuuPBKI/AAAAAAAABdU/oLknPjdlz7g/s320/perona2.jpg

How fast is Sakura in shippudden anyway? either way both of them have one hit k.o move. sakura with her super strength can ko her and perona can use the ghost to immobilize sakura.

but perona cannot defeat sasuke. he's too damn negative.

How fast is Sakura in shippudden anyway?

Not fast. She is basically a lesser Tsunade, all she has going for her is chakra enhanced punches.

either way both of them have one hit k.o move. sakura with her super strength can ko her and perona can use the ghost to immobilize sakura.

Perona would take her down.

She managed to tag Zoro/Sanji and Franky before they could even begin to run away. She broke Zoro's spirit, one negative hollow and Sakura would slice her own wrists open.

http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/characters/4/51572.jpg

vs

http://images.wikia.com/muppet/images/b/b8/Cookie.jpg

Cookie monster uses his

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT__uKHKrISRvJwDr2lv_i TJtPHQK3xak3cR1xBfWKxFdrbZPlaYlNDRwz_Hg

thus killing Sakura.

Sakura vs

http://media-wallpapers.theotaku.com/caption-467075-20090303021513.jpg

Dante, Virgil and Nero.

Why don't we just pit Sakura against a nuclear bomb at this point?...

http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/characters/4/51572.jpg

vs

http://nsarchive.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/mk_6_nuclear_bomb.jpg

Sakura

vs

The One Above All

http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/5/5c/One-Above-All_(Multiverse).png

And here is the twist: Sakura gets a bag full of sleep bombs !!!!

Sakura vs the few Broads she could actually beat...


http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc43/NeoKakarott23/Marvel/cat-woman.jpg
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc43/NeoKakarott23/Stupid053.jpg
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc43/NeoKakarott23/Bleach/unohana.png
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc43/NeoKakarott23/bachmann-newsweek.jpg

Unohana ?

Even with her total lack of combat feats, it's pretty obvious that she has the basic Shinigami skills, which would be more than enough to kill Sakura. Shunpo+Katana to the face = dead Sakura.

Poor rookies lol. If Only they were not trapped in a gay teen drama.

Aburame clan vs Tommyrod from Toriko

http://media.animevice.com/uploads/1/11250/414344-55_super.jpg

LOL, Tommyrod would rape the most of the naruto cast all at once. I'm pretty sure just a few dozen of his 1000 bugs would be enough kill off the aburame clan.



Unohana ?Even with her total lack of combat feats, it's pretty obvious that she has the basic Shinigami skills, which would be more than enough to kill Sakura. Shunpo+Katana to the face = dead Sakura.

But all she does is look at people with her Chuck Norris stare. She's like a pacifist going through menopause. Not that she couldn't kill sakura, but she just won't for whatever reasons.







Oh and since you mentioned CP9 and toriko characters, here's a special one.
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100727091313/onepiece/images/thumb/5/51/KumadorI.jpg/701px-KumadorI.jpg

VS.

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100810101412/toriko/images/thumb/c/cd/Vlcsnap-2010-08-10-11h47m05s109.png/830px-Vlcsnap-2010-08-10-11h47m05s109.png

Unohana ?

Even with her total lack of combat feats, it's pretty obvious that she has the basic Shinigami skills, which would be more than enough to kill Sakura. Shunpo+Katana to the face = dead Sakura.

That Unohana Broad...>.< I think it bothers her that when she was human at one point her oxygen died to carbon dioxide and she had something to do with it because she was breathing. Anything to do with pain, or death, she hasn't had anything to do with it besides healing it. She's one character that will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, oh wait what if she's the final villan, huh, couldn't sell that to anyone, anywhere, at any time.... no she's beyond a pacifist, thats what Itachi was, and he wound up killing some people. Dag, I promise she will never 'Finish' anybody... or even get started. She acts more like a robot, than Mayuri's Asst. A robot for good, she's in the wrong manga, she should be a Konohatard and change places with Tsunade. She has never shown one drip of angst, animosity, emotion, besides that cheery glazed smily look, she's a Weirdo!!! She's secretly stalking Kenpachi, thats why he always gets the fluck out of SS.

Let's just say then that the only one beating Sakura is herself in general.

http://i1021.photobucket.com/albums/af332/pmoses09/dhoulmagus_1.jpg

Dhoulmagus from Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King vs.

the once fan favorite villain from Naruto, http://i1021.photobucket.com/albums/af332/pmoses09/orochimaru.jpg

Background:

-Dhoulmagus, until his untimely defeat by the hands of Hero and his gang of good-doers, he was a feared magician in the guise of an unusually frightening looking jester. He had one goal, become the greatest magician in the land which persuaded him to possess the most legendary of secret magical artifacts, the forbidden scepter! Due to the scepter being the catalyst which links forth the most vilest of beings in the dark universe, Rhapthorne, he is changed into a ferocious killing machine, slaughtering all in his way.

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Dhoulmagus from Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King vs.

the once fan favorite villain from Naruto, http://i1021.photobucket.com/albums/af332/pmoses09/orochimaru.jpg

Background:

-Dhoulmagus, until his untimely defeat by the hands of Hero and his gang of good-doers, he was a feared magician in the guise of an unusually frightening looking jester. He had one goal, become the greatest magician in the land which persuaded him to possess the most legendary of secret magical artifacts, the forbidden scepter! Due to the scepter being the catalyst which links forth the most vilest of beings in the dark universe, Rhapthorne, he is changed into a ferocious killing machine, slaughtering all in his way.

I don't know the Dragon Quest Dude, but I miss Orochimaru.

I KNOW WHOM SAKURA COULD BEAT, THA BROAD THAT WAS AN X-MAN THAT WOLVERINE PROTECTED ALL THE TIME THAT SHOT OFF FIREWORKS...WHOO... WATCH OUT A ROMAN CANDLE BOMB. OHHH YEAH JUBILEE SOME SHIT LIKE THAT.

@Neo

Give Unohana her anime feats, and she roasts Sakura in a second.

Unohana has hype feats at least. I don't think there was a point in the manga where people were like, "oh shit, here comes Sakura bro!"

Unohana has hype feats at least. I don't think there was a point in the manga where people were like, "oh shit, here comes Sakura bro!"

At the same time, Unohana was more 'hyped' among SS residents, and ryoka, I didn't see any Arrancar/Aizen/Gin/Blind Fool remotely envisioning her as an opponent, or a threat. I just got something against 'paper stat' supposed beast that has never lived up to the hype, or even attempted to. Though Yama hasn't totally either IMHO, at least he has attempted to show all of that Databook created shit that amounts to nothing if they never attempt to pull off anything.

Additionally the title 'Death God' that is a supposed 'scale' in which to balance this universe (meaning death of some entity is probable or the SS wouldn't be in existance), without ever attempting the 'Death' part of it just sits lame to me, especially for a character thats overall #3 in power to the storyline...

1. Ichigo
2. Capt. Yammamoto
3. Unohana

I respect that some of you dig her, and prolly why I dig her so little is because Tsunade had come on the scene and though she was interesting, in battle disappointing arsenal, and skills for the hype. Unohana has shown less of a set of balls than Inoue IMHO, mix that all together, with the unbelievable numbers that she's supposedly rated, and she's come off as a 'wasted' character IMHO. She has her part to play, and maybe she and Kubo will bust out one chapter simply to say, 'Neo shut the fuck up', and I'll accept it and shut the fuck up about her. Till then...... ya already know my opinion of tha Broad.

Sakura

vs

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Schierke.

i must say as of right nowing knowing what they are faully capable of who would win... orochimaru or jiraiya?

i must say as of right nowing knowing what they are faully capable of who would win... orochimaru or jiraiya?

They would be like Naruto and Sasuke, both of them would die if they went all out...but Orochimaru's Regeneration would be too much IMHO. I know that Jiraiya wasn't going all out vs. Naruto when he got his chest ripped, but I saw Orochimaru go toe to to with Naruto at 4 Tails, and though it kinda ended a stalemate, Orochimaru had the upper hand just couldn't penetrate the Kyuubi Cloak with his Sword of Tsunagi, and WALKED away. Jiraiya has a lot of techs, and skills that would keep him in the fight for a long time, it woulndn't be a short match, but in the end Orochimaru wins IMHO for Regeneration, and overall being a good source of evil. Evil always has some tricks up they're sleeve to last another day.

^But if Jiriaya can go Sage mode, he has a major advantage. There's no way Oro can possibly hide from SM sensory perception. Plus frog song is instant win.

J-man has already proven in the past that he can neutralize any huge summon with his Swamp of the Underworld jutsu, and the toad stomach jutsu makes close combat very dangerous for Oro, so I'd have to give it to J-man slightly. Only real threat Oro has is Edo Tensei which I highly doubt he could set up mid fight, and his immortality jutsu which I think would work on J-man, unless he has some sort of sealing method to prevent it.

i say if jiraiya goes sage mode its over... orochimarus proven weakness is jiraiyas best technique genjutsu

i must say as of right nowing knowing what they are faully capable of who would win... orochimaru or jiraiya?
Orochimaru; snakes eat toads enough said.

i say if jiraiya goes sage mode its over... orochimarus proven weakness is jiraiyas best technique genjutsu

Jiraiyas best tech is not genjutsu sorry, and Sage Mode > Kyuubi 4 Tails??? Sorry I think NOT. Orochimaru also has another advantage, poison, and everybody knows that Jiraiya was affected by effects right before the Sannin Battle with Naruto & Kabuto, so nobody please say he's invunerable. Jiraiya's a beast, I'm not attempting to take anything from him, but my mind of minds says, first Orochimaru knew more jutsu's overall, by a lot, because that was his main goal throughout the manga, second with exception of the Third Hokage, the Akatsuki, and Uchihas, I'd think his Sword of Tsunagi, regeneration, poison, and the sheer amount of snakes he could actually send toward his opponent, mixed with not only Manda, but the final 7 headed Serpent Beast that he faced Susanoo with also. He seemingly had the ability to Cursed Seal anyone he wanted (outside of the Akatsuki), at will, this would greatly screw up an opponents chakra control, and usage, ask Sasuke.

Lastly, not calling Jiraiya 'slow', but he's not anywhere near Orochimaru's speed IMHO, so he could protect with Wild Mane, and put up barriers , maybe even use a clone or two, and replacements, but eventually because Oro could live through prolly almost anything J-Man did, and regenerate, the same can't be said about J-Man. Example I knew like all of the rest of you that when J-Man's arm was blown off by Pein it was curtains, as powerful and cool as he's always been, he can't grow back a limb.

Hm would have to say neither. Both would end up as a tie/draw against each other or simply put they both will die from each others powerful attack.

Yawnz.... Orochimaru was laughing at the physical damage a giant sword like Totsuka would do to a body. Dude is like the energizer bunny & was more immortal than say Kakazu or Hidan. Dude was sealed not physically destroyed. Now unless J-man knows some uber sealing tec comparable to death god or Totsuka there's really no way in hell he could actually kill a healthy Oro.

Also for the retards out there; Ninja toads can not beat Manda. This shit was proven back in part 1 when Big Daddy Bunta went up against & basically lost to Manda so please STFU about Toads cause them bitches would get eaten by snakes. Also Jiraiya's so called Sage mode takes forever to actually charge (note: Pain fight). Basically Jiraiya was stuck with his hands clasped charging chakra to even summon Ma & Pa. What's going to happen after Manda simply eats the fat toad Jiraiya happens to summon to protect him? Jiraiya will ether defend himself there by canceling his charge for Sage mode or die. It's as simple as that.

PS: Cry Moar!!!

i love jiraiya but ur right on orochimaru being hard to stop

Yawnz.... Orochimaru was laughing at the physical damage a giant sword like Totsuka would do to a body. Dude is like the energizer bunny & was more immortal than say Kakazu or Hidan. Dude was sealed not physically destroyed. Now unless J-man knows some uber sealing tec comparable to death god or Totsuka there's really no way in hell he could actually kill a healthy Oro.

Also for the retards out there; Ninja toads can not beat Manda. This shit was proven back in part 1 when Big Daddy Bunta went up against & basically lost to Manda so please STFU about Toads cause them bitches would get eaten by snakes. Also Jiraiya's so called Sage mode takes forever to actually charge (note: Pain fight). Basically Jiraiya was stuck with his hands clasped charging chakra to even summon Ma & Pa. What's going to happen after Manda simply eats the fat toad Jiraiya happens to summon to protect him? Jiraiya will ether defend himself there by canceling his charge for Sage mode or die. It's as simple as that.

PS: Cry Moar!!!

Additionally that Genjutsu (the only one in Jiraiya's arsenal), is actually Ma & Pa Toad's jutsu, and it also takes forever to get ready before it is actually effective. Pein had only 3 bodies at the time they began fighting, Oro would have many more snakes as allies coming to his aid. Just for me also, since Manda owns every Toad shown, how could Jiraiya even avoid the onslaught of snakes that Oro used as a 'field spell' vs. 4tails Naruto, they're were thousands, and thousands of snakes inbound blown away by Kyuubi's techs, and J-Man has what that we've seen to keep that much off him at one time? Nothing quick enough, personally I'd think Oro would eventually hit him with a CS, and Pimp him like he did the Sound shinobi, and Kimmimaro. Oro dosen't waste much, Kabuto learned that from Oro.

Alright, I've just gone through two adaptations of Fullmetal Alchemist and this thread is getting boring with fights that have been levied a billion times and Incompetent Naruto Characters v Gods From Other Manga fights.

So here's one with two *hopefully* balanced , yet powerful opponents:

Nagato at absolute full power
vs
Father

This is technically two different fights thanks to Father's two separate "combat capable" forms. The form which resembles an older Hohenheim is one fight, the final, young-looking form is the other.

It's even a rematch between Vic and Kent Williams. Go at it, hopefully people who have no experience with the much, much, much better of the two manga can refrain from throwing their worthless two cents in.

Father gets new chairs.