Yeah i would go with Sasuke and Oro too. Those two are both extremely smart and combined, would be more than enough of a match for Shika and Kakashi's smarts. Both Sasuke and Oro know how to use clones, regeneration, and Sasuke's Sharingan really well. Sasuke's Sharingan would outmatch Kakashi's in my opinion, even if Kakashi has a MS. Both Sasuke and Oro's Genjutsu abilities would out do Kakashi, and outlast him. Like one of you said, Sasuke and Oro have a larger Chakra amount than Kakashi, Shika, and Sakura. As for Sakura. Her strength will only get her so far with Sasuke and Oro's abilities to trick with genjutsu and clones.

I would also give this one to Sasuke and Oro.

As for Oro vs Kakashi, Gai, and Asuma. Nobody stated anything about Gai releasing his gates. With that, his Taijutsu, Kakashi's Ninjutsu and sharingan, and some help from Asuma. I think they would win.:cool:

Both Sasuke and Oro know how to use clones, regeneration, and Sasuke's Sharingan really well.When has Sasuke ever been shown to use clones?

Sasuke's Sharingan would outmatch Kakashi's in my opinion, even if Kakashi has a MS.Hm. I kind of have to disagree there. Although Sasuke's Sharingan will eventually be more than Itachi's, which automatically eventually makes it better than Kakashi's, right now, Sasuke hasn't shown anything, Sharingan wise, that Kakashi can't do himself.

Both Sasuke and Oro's Genjutsu abilities would out do Kakashi, and outlast him.The outlasting part is truth, but Oro is weak against genjutsu, especially Sharingan genjutsu. Let's hope Kakashi can take advantage of that. :p

Like one of you said, Sasuke and Oro have a larger Chakra amount than Kakashi, Shika, and Sakura. As for Sakura. Her strength will only get her so far with Sasuke and Oro's abilities to trick with genjutsu and clones.Oro doesn't use genjutsu. Also, I really doubt Sakura's strength would be a factor against Sasuke at all. I can imagine Shika binding Sasuke in place while Sakura rushes him to go for an OHKO punch, but Sasuke is so fast that he can just go CS2 and over power Shika and his shadow binds. Sakura's strength may come in handy against Oro, though, since Tsunade was able to beat the living daylights out of him with pure taijutsu.


As for Oro vs Kakashi, Gai, and Asuma. Nobody stated anything about Gai releasing his gates. With that, his Taijutsu, Kakashi's Ninjutsu and sharingan, and some help from Asuma. I think they would win.:cool:Sure about that? :p Remember that Oro is extremely difficult to kill and is quite durable. He can take a large beating. It's possible that Oro can just begin his healing process after Gai busts out his gates. Or he'll just regenerate or pull his body back together like he's done before. I don't see Gai's taijutsu as too much of a threat, but more of a distraction so Kakashi can use strong ninjutsu, or MS.

When has Sasuke ever been shown to use clones?
I wasn't neccessarilly talking about Sasuke using clones, but i was talking mainly about Oro's sheading ability. Like when he lost an arm to 3 tailed Naruto, sheaded his skin, and had his arm back.

Hm. I kind of have to disagree there. Although Sasuke's Sharingan will eventually be more than Itachi's, which automatically eventually makes it better than Kakashi's, right now, Sasuke hasn't shown anything, Sharingan wise, that Kakashi can't do himself.
I don't remember Kakashi using any Genjutsus or talking about seeing the color of chakra.

The outlasting part is truth, but Oro is weak against genjutsu, especially Sharingan genjutsu. Let's hope Kakashi can take advantage of that. :p
Yeah, but like i said before, i don't think we have seen Kakashi use any Genjutsus yet.
Oro doesn't use genjutsu. Also, I really doubt Sakura's strength would be a factor against Sasuke at all. I can imagine Shika binding Sasuke in place while Sakura rushes him to go for an OHKO punch, but Sasuke is so fast that he can just go CS2 and over power Shika and his shadow binds. Sakura's strength may come in handy against Oro, though, since Tsunade was able to beat the living daylights out of him with pure taijutsu.
Oro uses that kind of killing intent that he used in the Forest of Death, but not Genjutsu for, but Sasuke. As for the rest of this comment, that was kind of what i was trying to say. You must have misunderstood it or i didn't make it clear. Here is what i said:" Her strength will only get her so far with Sasuke and Oro's abilities to trick with genjutsu and clones." In other words, i was kind of saying that Sakura's strength can only do a little to effect the fight or nothing at all.
Sure about that? :p Remember that Oro is extremely difficult to kill and is quite durable. He can take a large beating. It's possible that Oro can just begin his healing process after Gai busts out his gates. Or he'll just regenerate or pull his body back together like he's done before. I don't see Gai's taijutsu as too much of a threat, but more of a distraction so Kakashi can use strong ninjutsu, or MS.

That last part. With Gai's level of Taijutsu and the upgrade from all the gates, i believe that he could do more than be a distraction. With his speed with all the gates released, i believe that he could match Oro's speed. As for his strength, with the gates released, i think his strength would be close to Tsunade's strength. We all saw how effective Tsunades's strength was againist Oro.

With all this stuff from Oro, combined with Kakashi, Kakashi's jutsu and Sharingan/MS, and help from Asuma, i think they could do it.:cool:

Oro & Sasuke vs. Sakura, Kakashi, & Shika??

Ok very unfair fight considering Kakashi fears Oro & Sasuke can takeout both Sakura & Shika at the same time... Very unfair fight in my opinion... Sasuke & Oro win this hands down without much effort.


Oro vs Kakashi, Gai, and Asuma

A much better match up as we have 3 of the most experienced jounins vs. the legendary Sannin called Orochimaru. With Kakashi's growth in skill level I wouldn't put it past him to come up with a plan to takeout Oro with the help of Gai & Asuma. So I'll give this one to team Konoha.

Edit: On second thought I change my mind. I didn't factor in Oro summoning the 1st & 2nd Hokages. So Orochimaru is my winner.

Pain vs Minato

Now that would be a fight. I think that Minato would kick his ass. Jira was way to slow and couldn't evade Pain's attacks, but Minato on the other hand is a lot faster and he's the master of rasengan and wind jutsu. Pain wouldn't last a sec.

Pain hasn't showed his powers and we know next to nothing about Minato except he invented 3 jutsu. That's about it.
So, no, I cannot say who is stronger.

Well, Minato wins in speed, that's for sure, but we still don't know the true power of rinnegan.

Minato hands down would whoop his ass Flying thunder god or his Sushinn which are fuking fast especially thunder god and he took sushinn to a level nobody has taken it before speed was is gift nuff said.

Pain would lose the moment he would see minato it would be the end due to minato's high speed there is no reason to even question it the power of the rinnegan was shown nothing more to it pain used his full power to beat one man end of story.

Well, Minato wins in speed, that's for sure, but we still don't know the true power of rinnegan.

We honestly don't know how fast Minato is, or if he even has wind nature chakra. Both of them are unknown for the most part, so you can't say who would win yet.:cool:

We honestly don't know how fast Minato is, or if he even has wind nature chakra. Both of them are unknown for the most part, so you can't say who would win yet.:cool:

we do know how fast he is read kakashi gaiden he took out armies in seconds and his sushinn is unsurpassed minato's specialty was speed damn it read the kage bio's everyone of them had their own specialty.

Shodaime-herculean strength,mokuton ninjutsu

Nidaime-unsurpassed level of using water ninjutsu,and kinjutsu to fight

Sandaime-knowledge of over 1000 jutsu and new all the jutsu in konoha,also was praised as god of shinobi

Yondaime- speed and his rasengan,was the fastest shinboi in konoha and the greatest ever produced his sushinn gave him the nickname konoha's yellow flash he also had thunder god jutsu which let him travel any distance in a matter of seconds and defeated kyuubi by sealing it in his son naruto.

Godaime-medical ninjutsu user unsurpassed,herculean strength and a sannin.

Minato was just that damn good armies were forced to retreat on sighting don't give me rank crap it doesn't matter even it was 3 kages it is all about his insane speed that cannot be tracked by anyone he can easily take out all 6 at once without doing much by the time pain notices he will be joinging jiraiya.

we do know how fast he is read kakashi gaiden he took out armies in seconds and his sushinn is unsurpassed minato's specialty was speed damn it read the kage bio's everyone of them had their own specialty.

Shodaime-herculean strength,mokuton ninjutsu

Nidaime-unsurpassed level of using water ninjutsu,and kinjutsu to fight

Sandaime-knowledge of over 1000 jutsu and new all the jutsu in konoha,also was praised as god of shinobi

Yondaime- speed and his rasengan,was the fastest shinboi in konoha and the greatest ever produced his sushinn gave him the nickname konoha's yellow flash he also had thunder god jutsu which let him travel any distance in a matter of seconds and defeated kyuubi by sealing it in his son naruto.

Godaime-medical ninjutsu user unsurpassed,herculean strength and a sannin.

Minato was just that damn good armies were forced to retreat on sighting don't give me rank crap it doesn't matter even it was 3 kages it is all about his insane speed that cannot be tracked by anyone he can easily take out all 6 at once without doing much by the time pain notices he will be joinging jiraiya.

OK. I was saying that we don't know the full extent of what he can do. Yeah wwe know that he has extreme speed and the Rasengan, but besides that, all we can go on is his little skirmishes in Kakashi Gaiden.

Don't give you crap. You just saying that he could take out all 6 Pain's that easy when we don't even know what the rest of the Pains can do is crap.

Yeah, he is known pretty much as the best that came out of Konoha, but did Pain come out of Konoha. If Pain is strong enough to kill Jiraiya without even revealing his complete power, right now, it is impossible to tell who would win.

Another thing, saying that Minato can't be tracked, just shows how much you know about his jutsu. It is easy to track his Thunder God jutsu if you know where the mark is. With all of Pain's eye abilities, to see from six different perspectives, i would guess that he would be able to find it.:cool:

Relax, Kakashi =)
We know Minato was very fast, and we know he can take out fodder nins at any given time in seconds, but we do not know how would he fare against a shinobi of much higher level.
Minato is not immortal. He can die as well.

I don't like speculating anything before I know full abilities of both shinobi who are fighting.

Relax, Kakashi =)
We know Minato was very fast, and we know he can take out fodder nins at any given time in seconds, but we do not know how would he fare against a shinobi of much higher level.
Minato is not immortal. He can die as well.

I don't like speculating anything before I know full abilities of both shinobi who are fighting.

The same thing with me. That was kind of what i was trying to say about not seeing their full abilities. That is kind of why i always defend people who full power we haven't seen, like Kisame for example. Yeah Minato took out those minor shinobi in Kakashi Gaiden, but besides that, we never saw him go up againist anyone stronger. We don't know how it would turn out if Minato went up againist Pain.:cool:

Minato vs. Pein? What in the world? Pein doesn't lose, but I don't know about Minato.

How about another match-up?

- Kurenai vs. Konan

How about another match-up?

- Kurenai vs. Konan

Lmaooo kurenai can cast a genjutsu that wets up her shit lol konan is a joke seriously.


My vote kurenai.

Hm. We know Konan uses paper attacks. And, because of her friendship with Pain, she's in Akatsuki. Aaaand, Kurenai was said to be Konoha's genjutsu specialist. Tough one. I don't see how genjutsu would affect paper. Unless she had some way of burning her up, or wetting her. I'll give this fight to Kurenai for now, only because I know more about her than I do of Konan.

Yeh, we really don't know much about Konan. We just know that she uses paper-based techniques. We know a pretty good deal on Kurenai and her talent for Genjutsu.
I think Kurenai would win. Konan got dismissed by Jiraiya rather fast. I think Kurenai would've lasted against Jiraiya at least a bit longer than Konan did.

How 'bout a weird one?
Sakura vs. Rock Lee :P

Oh my lol. BTS, Lee, easily. PTS? Lee, still easily. As much as I admire Sakura for having done something with herself, seriously, what can she truly do against someone who is SO much faster than her, and that's without any gates. Add to that, his fighting style is similar to hers: break bones. The difference is that he's faster, but she's stronger. The only way I see Sakura even laying a finger on Lee is if this fight is in character. Lee will, because he likes her, most likely not go all out on her. He'd still win, but he wouldn't go all out. Out of character? Lee speedblitzes Sakura at every turn. Base Lee wins, if not, 1 gated Lee wins. Lee won't need more than 1 gate to beat Sakura.

Oh my lol. BTS, Lee, easily. PTS? Lee, still easily. As much as I admire Sakura for having done something with herself, seriously, what can she truly do against someone who is SO much faster than her, and that's without any gates. Add to that, his fighting style is similar to hers: break bones. The difference is that he's faster, but she's stronger. The only way I see Sakura even laying a finger on Lee is if this fight is in character. Lee will, because he likes her, most likely not go all out on her. He'd still win, but he wouldn't go all out. Out of character? Lee speedblitzes Sakura at every turn. Base Lee wins, if not, 1 gated Lee wins. Lee won't need more than 1 gate to beat Sakura.

lee won't need any gates roflll sakura is way to slow to even touh him with his weights on sakura a.k.a. useless

rock lee vs neji pre timeskip
sasuke vs neji pre timeskip

rock lee vs neji pre timeskip
sasuke vs neji pre timeskip

Why pre-timeskip Neji..... are both pre-timeskip???

anyway

Pre-timeskip Lee vs. Pre-timeskip Neji Winner: Neji

Post-timeskip Lee vs. Pre-timeskip Neji Winner: Lee

Post Lee vs. Post Neji Winner: Neji

Pre-timeskip Sakura vs. Pre-timeskip Neji Winner: Neji

Post-timeskip Sakura vs. Pre-timeskip Neji Winner: Neji


Edit: Lee vs. Sakura??? lol I'll go with Mikey's comment on this one...
Oh my lol. BTS, Lee, easily. PTS? Lee, still easily. As much as I admire Sakura for having done something with herself, seriously, what can she truly do against someone who is SO much faster than her, and that's without any gates. Add to that, his fighting style is similar to hers: break bones. The difference is that he's faster, but she's stronger. The only way I see Sakura even laying a finger on Lee is if this fight is in character. Lee will, because he likes her, most likely not go all out on her. He'd still win, but he wouldn't go all out. Out of character? Lee speedblitzes Sakura at every turn. Base Lee wins, if not, 1 gated Lee wins. Lee won't need more than 1 gate to beat Sakura.

what about drunken lee vs. neji

How is it that someone who can manipulate paper is in Akatsuki? Seriously, a fire or water ninjutsu attack would render her useless. I was hoping that when she started to fight Jiraiya that she would use her origami skills and create like a big monster to fight him. Or maybe she could make a bunch of shinobi by taking lots of pieces of paper and forming them into people. She would have an army of paper shinobi! Honestly, can there be a more pathetic ability?!

Heheh, I agree with you guys on Sakura vs. Lee.

He'd probably beat her so fast; she wouldn't even know what hit her. XD
Also, Lee's got +1 year on Sakura.

I basically think the same thing as Vengeance on the pre-timeskip/post-timeskip thing.

Drunken Lee vs. Neji?

I'd have to say Drunken Lee. Ha, that episode with Drunken Lee was on CN here not too long ago. Gai said it took both him and Neji to restrain the out-of-control green beast. Of course, Gai said he could've stopped Drunken Lee with some offensive moves, but he didn't want to hurt his precious student. *Rolls eyes* Based on how Neji vs. Spider guy and Drunken Lee vs. Kimmimaru, (sp?) Drunken Lee held his ground a lot better than Neji imo.

Guh, my computer's about to go down for the night. I don't have time to explain everything little thing, but yeah, I'm saying Drunken Lee > Neji (pre-timeskip?)

Oh yeah! Drunken Lee rulez! And we didn't even see the older Lee drunk. I think he'll be a lot stronger than the drunken Lee we already know. Can't wait to see this happen.

Drunken Lee vs Neji, BTS? I hate to say it, but I'm sure Lee would have the advantage there. Not that Lee gets any sort of boost in speed or strength while drunk, because he doesn't. What he does get is unpredictability. However, one good strike from Neji should take care of the drunkness of Lee, and it's back to regular Lee vs Neji.

Here's one:

Summoner Pain & Obese Pain vs Three Sannins.

Now, I only mention two Pain bodies because we've seen what they can do mainly. So that's pretty much handicapping Pain by 4 bodies. The Sannins will have their own handicaps: Jiraiya can go Hermit Mode, but he can't use Broken Frog Song genjutsu. Orochimaru can go snake form, but he can't use Edo Tensei, and Tsunade isn't rusty and remains unafraid of blood, but she can't open that damn seal of hers lol.

and one more : pain vs konoha 8 ;]

Here's one:

Summoner Pain & Obese Pain vs Three Sannins.

Now, I only mention two Pain bodies because we've seen what they can do mainly. So that's pretty much handicapping Pain by 4 bodies. The Sannins will have their own handicaps: Jiraiya can go Hermit Mode, but he can't use Broken Frog Song genjutsu. Orochimaru can go snake form, but he can't use Edo Tensei, and Tsunade isn't rusty and remains unafraid of blood, but she can't open that damn seal of hers lol.

That's a good one! I don't think the Pains would win. I think that the Rin'negan is just so special because it allows the user to overcome their opponent by sheer number. Six unique abilities that share the same mind and vision is just awesome. If Jiraiya alone caused Pain to use all six forms then I think that the three Sannin versus just the summoning Pain and ninjutsu absorbing Pain creates an obvious outcome. The three Sannin win every time. I think that Pain relies on his ability to outnumber a strong opponent in order to achieve victory. Without those numbers, against tough opponents, I think he can be beaten.

That's a good one! I don't think the Pains would win. I think that the Rin'negan is just so special because it allows the user to overcome their opponent by sheer number. Six unique abilities that share the same mind and vision is just awesome. If Jiraiya alone caused Pain to use all six forms then I think that the three Sannin versus just the summoning Pain and ninjutsu absorbing Pain creates an obvious outcome. The three Sannin win every time. I think that Pain relies on his ability to outnumber a strong opponent in order to achieve victory. Without those numbers, against tough opponents, I think he can be beaten.

Agreed! This is it. I even believe that two Sannin would be absolutely enough to defeat two of Pain's bodies. Though the Rin'negan isn't explained in every detail yet I'm quite sure there can't be much more than the 'Universal'-view and the unlimited Ninjutsu-abilities.

Drunken Lee vs Neji, BTS? I hate to say it, but I'm sure Lee would have the advantage there. Not that Lee gets any sort of boost in speed or strength while drunk, because he doesn't. What he does get is unpredictability. However, one good strike from Neji should take care of the drunkness of Lee, and it's back to regular Lee vs Neji.

Here's one:

Summoner Pain & Obese Pain vs Three Sannins.

Now, I only mention two Pain bodies because we've seen what they can do mainly. So that's pretty much handicapping Pain by 4 bodies. The Sannins will have their own handicaps: Jiraiya can go Hermit Mode, but he can't use Broken Frog Song genjutsu. Orochimaru can go snake form, but he can't use Edo Tensei, and Tsunade isn't rusty and remains unafraid of blood, but she can't open that damn seal of hers lol.

Both Pains would get raped very badly in that match....

All Jiraiya needs to do is dropkick Summoner, then orochimaru summons a bunch of snakes to distract fatty, then Tsuande appears from out of nowhere landing a devistating blow on Summoner's skull. (he's dead) lol..

Then for the fat one Jiraiya can just use the ultimate Rasengan and then while he is absorbing it.. Orochimaru can just impale the guy's heart (that Kusanagai sword).. and there victory..

Summoner Pain & Obese Pain vs Three Sannins:
any1 know the answer sannins win

Summoner Pain & Obese Pain vs naruto 4ts

LOL
that is a big awesome victory no problem

Summoner Pain & Obese Pain vs Three Sannins

Ummm yeah ok... Jiraiya defeated both those Peins along with a 3rd one by himself.... So yeah Sannins win


Summoner Pain & Obese Pain vs naruto 4ts

Ummm yeah ok.... Summoner Pein alone can handle berserker Naruto with 4 tails. Throw in a "CHAKRA ABSORBER" & well yeah... you see where I'm going with this... The Pein brothers win


Edit: Sense we're doing Pein now...

The six Paths of Pain vs. The three legendary Sannin

Without getting into to much detail sense we don't exactly know what the other Peins do. The Sannin win. Instead of Jiraiya getting his arm ripped off after killing 3 Peins Orochimaru & Tsunade are there to back him up & save his ass. They quickly kill the healer Pein then finish off the rest. See I'm not a complete Pein-tard.

6 pains will win !

1 sanin = 1 pain

3 sanin = 3 pain

3 dead pains = 3 more pein lives

it means...
the 3 legendary sannins are dead meats.
hehe.

but what if..
6 pains vs. itachi.

who will win?

^^_^^

6 pains will win !

1 sanin = 1 pain

3 sanin = 3 pain

3 dead pains = 3 more pein lives

it means...
the 3 legendary sannins are dead meats.
hehe.

but what if..
6 pains vs. itachi.

who will win?

^^_^^

no not possible the 3 sannins would win
1=2
2=maybe 3
3=1 and helps the others



as for itachi not even 3 peins

Summoner Pain & Obese Pain vs naruto 4ts

Ummm yeah ok.... Summoner Pein alone can handle berserker Naruto with 4 tails. Throw in a "CHAKRA ABSORBER" & well yeah... you see where I'm going with this... The Pein brothers win

hmm... I think plot no jutsu and my opinion say that if that pain tries to absorb all the chakra Kyuubi has, he'll blow up. I don't think you can absorb THAT much chakra (I know Shamehada took all chakra Naruto drew from kyuubi but it wasn't that much chakra a that point)

6 pains will win !

1 sanin = 1 pain

3 sanin = 3 pain

3 dead pains = 3 more pein lives

it means...
the 3 legendary sannins are dead meats.
hehe.

but what if..
6 pains vs. itachi.

who will win?

^^_^^

See there's a flaw in your logic. Don't get me wrong ask anyone here I'm a very big Pein fan. But the fact is Jiraiya alone took out 3 bodies of Pein with his toad genjutsu. Had Orochimaru & Tsunade been there to back up Jiraiya there is no way healer Pein would be able to get close enough to revive the other bodies. Also take into consideration Edo Tensei. Orochimaru with this ability could very well takeout at least 2 Peins by himself. So we know Jiraiya can at least takeout 3 while Orochimaru takes out 2, leaving one more for Tsunade to punch into oblivion. Also that summoning battle would go allot differently had all 3 Sannin been there. Sense all 3 Sannin have blood contracts with powerful Beast.


Edit: Itachi vs. The six Paths of Pein...

Ok I'll do this one in thinking Itachi knows he'll die. Itachi doesn't have summons that we know of putting him at a huge disadvantage here. Not to mention Rennegan is superior to Sharingon. But lets assume Pein can't do a Rennegan eye death sense none of those bodies is his real one. Itachi is limited to 4 MS jutsu if I'm not mistaken & I seriously doubt Tsukuyomi would stop any body of Pein. Itachi would have to rely on Ameretsu to kill Pein but only has 4 shots while Pein has 6 bodies. So at most if itachi is very lucky he'll be able to kill 4 bodies. But after this Itachi won't have enough chakra to do much of anything. So Pein wins.

Edit2
hmm... I think plot no jutsu and my opinion say that if that pain tries to absorb all the chakra Kyuubi has, he'll blow up. I don't think you can absorb THAT much chakra (I know Shamehada took all chakra Naruto drew from kyuubi but it wasn't that much chakra a that point)

Fat Pein only needs to absorb enough chakra to temperately weaken Naruto's fox cloak thing long enough for the summons to do there job. I don't see a mindless brawler defeating these two bodies of Pein sorry.

6 pains vs. itachi
6 would be too much for Itachi. 6 pains to win comfortably.

I think it's 50-50....we all know that pain is not a genjutsu user due to his teacher Jiraiya is not a genjutsu user. So, if Itachi manage to put all the 6 pains in Tsuyukomi genjutsu, then he can most probably kill the 6 pains

To answer the Itachi vs. all six Pains would require, or at least I think, more information on the six Pains. Besides, I don't think that any one person could defeat all six Pains. It's just too much.

There's no such thing as six pains.. the other images were created by zetsu.. That's why he tells him that he was lucky that Jiraiya didn't find out he was fighting them both. Zetsu's abilities are vast and he controls human corpses and gives them the ability to have the person he's thinking. For example when he made the fake itachi out of corpses. He was able to make the sharingan work with the corpses. However he couldn't use the MS. I'm guessing his abilities are not that vast. But at least strong enough to kill Yiraiya..

What are you saying? Pain created those clones. He used Sasori's mind controlled people as vessels. Where do you get the idea that Zetsu has these abilities?

I explained it on my post. He used this ability to use some people's corpses to make it look like itachi and fight naruto and his team. Zetsu and pain met short afterwards yiraiya was killed and exchanged words specifying him helping pain on yiraiya's defeat.

Could you maybe give me some chapter and page numbers? I would like to see what it is you are saying.

Sannins win against Pain.
Funny, I thought AL would be able to defeat all three of them.
But after I saw Jiraiya's performance, and witnessed that Pain has 6 bodies, it was just an empty thought.
I am glad Jiraiya was that good, but we hardly know anything about Pain yet.


Itachi vs Pain should not be mentioned until we see what both of them can do.

Pain is probably stronger, but we do not know what are the full abilities of both of the shinobi.
Edit: Do not say summons would overwhelm Itachi, he can easily genjutsu them all. As easy as Sasuke dominated Manda, a major summon, in a split second.

hmm.. sorry 'bout that..
you guys may be right.

the 3 sannins will win.

^^_^^

Jiraiya and Orochimaru can defeath Pain. They don't need Tsunade, she would just hold them back(as the weakest of the sannin).

Jiraiya and Orochimaru can defeath Pain. They don't need Tsunade, she would just hold them back(as the weakest of the sannin).

she'd have her use too. Imagine if they get badly hurt she's there to heal intensly, which would make them able to fight longer. If pain doesn't have the heal ability, his stamina would go out faster so he wouldn't be able to last as long. Plus if Tsunade gets a chance to hit one of them with her strength, that's person is half history. I say she has a point there too, although I agree she's the weakest.

Jiraiya and Orochimaru can defeath Pain. They don't need Tsunade, she would just hold them back(as the weakest of the sannin).Combat wise she is the weakest, however, she is the best medical nin around. She'd come in handy when Jiraiya needs her to heal him or buy him some time, to say, go Hermit Mode. Oro doesn't exactly need her medical help since he can regenerate.

Combat wise she is the weakest, however, she is the best medical nin around. She'd come in handy when Jiraiya needs her to heal him or buy him some time, to say, go Hermit Mode. Oro doesn't exactly need her medical help since he can regenerate.

You are right, she could be useful. It's still to early to say who would win this battle. We don't know anything about Pain besides the fact that he has 5 bodies and that weird swords. And we still have to see the true power of rinnegan.

Let's try another matchup:
- Deidara vs. Kimimaro

I put my money on Deidara since he doesn't have to be grounded and close-ranged in order to fight his opponent while the opposite is true for Kimimaro.

might be that Kimimaro can send a huge surprise bone and catch deidara off guard.

Dei destroys Kimi easily. He is a long range fighter who can fly.
Kimi is fast, be he cannot survive the C2 dragon.

Suigetsu vs. Kisame

I think that Suigetsu will be able to hang with Kisame fairly well. I still believe that Kisame would win but only because of his large amount of chakra.

Suigetsu vs. Kisame

I think that Suigetsu will be able to hang with Kisame fairly well. I still believe that Kisame would win but only because of his large amount of chakra.

Well, we don't know almost anything on Suigetsu, and we only saw 30% of Kisame's strength.

But, even without seeing their full powers, I would bet on Kisame easily.

Well, we don't know almost anything on Suigetsu, and we only saw 30% of Kisame's strength.

But, even without seeing their full powers, I would bet on Kisame easily.

agreed neji said 30% kisame was equal to naruto chakra imagine 100% lol i bet thats one tail right there.

Can't Suigetsu turn himself into water or something like that? If so, I would imagine that taijutsu would have no effect on him. Also, the type of ninjutsu that Kisame uses would not have much of an effect either. I think it will be a pretty interesting battle all in all.

agreed neji said 30% kisame was equal to naruto chakra imagine 100% lol i bet thats one tail right there.

nope. maybe 2 tails?
hmm.. this would be good.
the eternal rivals.
kakashi vs. gai !

this would be a good fight.
who will win?

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nope. maybe 2 tails?
hmm.. this would be good.
the eternal rivals.
kakashi vs. gai !

this would be a good fight.
who will win?

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Of course kakashi. Kakashi has the MKS.

Deidara vs Kimi? o_O What the hell? Why would you guys do that to poor Kimi. :( Deidara was made to take down someone like Kimi. The only long range attack Kimi has is those finger bullets of his, and I doubt that Deidara would just hover up on his clay bird and take those hits. C3 or C4 sould annihilate Kimi. I'm sure some of you would argue that Kimi took everything Gaara had to offer. Yes, that is true. However, explosive power =\= crushing power. Deidara takes this fight.

Gai vs Kakashi? I think Kakashi would win, but he'd be trumped by Gai's taijutsu. Which I think would be why Kakashi wouldn't try and go at him in close combat. Kakashi is very smart, so he'd find a way to beat him without resorting to a losing battle in taijutsu.

yes indeed.
deidara will win against kimi why?
simply because deidara is a ranged fighter.
kimimaro even if he have a unique ability to bend bones like that.
he cant still match deidara.

DEIDARA WINS !!
hehe
sorry 'bout that.

hmm how about this?
4tailed naruto or cs2 sasuke?

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yes indeed.
deidara will win against kimi why?
simply because deidara is a ranged fighter.
kimimaro even if he have a unique ability to bend bones like that.
he cant still match deidara.

DEIDARA WINS !!
hehe
sorry 'bout that.

hmm how about this?
4tailed naruto or cs2 sasuke?

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4 tailed naruto. Oro couldn't defeat him, his skin is rly rly hard, Sasuke wouldn't stand a chance.

heh.
if sasuke gets in the way of the super chakra wave 4 tails did to oro.
hehe. sasuke will turn into dust.
probably.

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Anything goes in this VS Thread! Talk about any fights up until the last manga chapter!

Kisame VS Nidaime

I'm going with Kisame on this one. I mean come on, he resembles a shark! He carries around a sword that chews up chakra. He has massive amounts of Chakra of his own, and he has tsunade-like strength!

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this is a thread to sort out and discuss fights, so please have some facts to back up what you saywell they both have water teqniques but i think nidame would win you have 2 admit he was hokage

well they both have water teqniques but i think nidame would win you have 2 admit he was hokage

Kisame can absorb chakra with his sword. Sure, Nidaime must have a crazy amount of chakra but we can say the same for Kisame. I think that Nidaime may be more powerful in water jutsu but it will take him more than that to take down someone like Kisame. If Kisame gets near enough to hit him with his sword, it's bye bye Nidaime. Still, Nidaime also has a sword and someone told me(I think it was Anbu-kakashi, not sure) that he can use forbiden jutsu, which gives him an upper hand in this one. Sure Nidaime is a hokage, but I think that Kisame is also on that lvl:D

Kakuzu vs. Kisame?

I got a feelin' that Kisame would finish off Kakuzu, but its goin' to be a tough battle.. Kisame would simply overpower Kakuzu.. Though all those hearts would make it a difficult, but Kisame's amount of chakra would be a main factor..

Kakuzu vs. Kisame?

I got a feelin' that Kisame would finish off Kakuzu, but its goin' to be a tough battle.. Kisame would simply overpower Kakuzu.. Though all those hearts would make it a difficult, but Kisame's amount of chakra would be a main factor..

Yup, I think Kisame would win the fight but its not that easy because of Kakuzu's hearts. Kisame always with Itachi and he may learn a few tricks from him.

NOpe, im going with kakuzu cause all of his elements that were at such high powers.. If it wasnt for tricky plans from shika and naruto S++++move he would be stomping all them now...Plus kakuzu body was like steel, just dont see many tough water jutsus that would beat him..oh and his body was really hard to destroy cause he could replace it with other part just like that

NOpe, im going with kakuzu cause all of his elements that were at such high powers.. If it wasnt for tricky plans from shika and naruto S++++move he would be stomping all them now...Plus kakuzu body was like steel, just dont see many tough water jutsus that would beat him..oh and his body was really hard to destroy cause he could replace it with other part just like that
Im pretty sure Kakuzu's steel skin wouldnt be a problem for Kisame, he would rip him in to pieces steel or not.. They one problem I see is, that Kisame has to kill him five times.. The sheer power of Kisame should be enough.. Besides Im pretty sure that Kisame has some awesome water jutsus.. And Kisame beat the four-tailes (I think) all by himself.. That says a lot...

Im pretty sure Kakuzu's steel skin wouldnt be a problem for Kisame, he would rip him in to pieces steel or not.. They one problem I see is, that Kisame has to kill him five times.. The sheer power of Kisame should be enough.. Besides Im pretty sure that Kisame has some awesome water jutsus.. And Kisame beat the four-tailes (I think) all by himself.. That says a lot...

While Kisame has a good chance against Kakuzu, do not write Kakuzu off so easily.
They are both incredibly powerful and skilled.
Kakuzu is tricky because of his wraiths. They can attach at will. They fire almost all elements with incredible force.
When Kakuzu grapples an opponent with his tentacles, the battle is over.

I cannot vote yet, I haven't seen Kisame go all out.

As per request by Shrike, I make my daring return!

Anyways, like Shrike said, Kisame hasn't shown his full potential yet. There isn't enough evidence to determine a winner.

Moving on; how about some Sasuke Vs Hidan? It may not be as one-sided as people might think. It took all of Shikamaru's intelligence to bring him down, and even then Hidan isn't done away with for good. Thoughts?

Hidan is immortal. The only way I can think of to get rid of him would be to essentially evaporate him (Deidara's ultimate attack). I don't know if Sasuke knows a jutsu of such power.

Hidan cannot die. But he's buried deep down in a place that no one can find him and I believe shikamaru separated his corpse in at least 2 parts (beheaded). So it's really unlikely that hidan will be making his return at all. Kisame is a chakra eater... last time we saw him was when (the orochimaru clone(4got hisname)) and that girl were about to fight him. My guess its that most probably kisame will be killed by the clone of orochimaru. And so will be another akatsuki member by that other girl. Or maybe she will die giving her life for someone. It's hard to tell. we dont know that much about these characters.

Sasuke wins this one. Sasuke doesn't need to evaporate Hidan in order to win. Shikamaru didn't. While I'm sure Shikamaru is smarter than Sasuke is, Sasuke is no dope. He completely saw through Deidara's ways and was pretty much set on winning that fight from the get-go. Sasuke also knew he'd be able to beat Oro in a weakened state. Not only that, but he knew he'd be able to beat Oro in his own mental realm. Sasuke knows what he's doing out there. :p He'd most likely figure out something is up with Hidan and his mortality when he sees that some of his attacks flat out don't kill him. Also, there's really no way Hidan is touching Sasuke. Sasuke is much faster than Hidan. Shika did use his intelligence, but also keep in mind that he also saw what Hidan can do against someone, so that right there pretty much did Hidan over. Hidan is very dangerous against anyone who doesn't know what he can do. However, in Sasuke's case, he has intelligence, Sharingan, and mos of all, speed. As I said, Hidan isn't touching Sasuke. And even if Hidan does manage to scratch Sasuke, it'd most likely just be a bunshin genjutsu that Hidan is messing with, like we've recently seen Sasuke use against Itachi himself. Hidan is also pretty stupid, so he may run off at the mouth on his abilities lol. Honestly, guys. Hidan beating Sasuke? That's nearly as bad as Hidan beating Naruto or Kakashi. Not happenin'. All Sasuke needs to do is slice Hidan in half (like he tried against Tobi), and half the work is done. :p If worse comes to worse, he'd just use 'that', and Hidan would be toast. Although I highly doubt Sasuke would need to use 'that'.

Here's one: Healthy Orochimaru w/o Edo Tensei & w/o Manda, vs Kakuzu. (I know those are two rather large handicaps for Oro, but Manda is pretty much dead, and Edo Tensei takes time to prepare...)

Sasuke wins this one. Sasuke doesn't need to evaporate Hidan in order to win. Shikamaru didn't. While I'm sure Shikamaru is smarter than Sasuke is, Sasuke is no dope. He completely saw through Deidara's ways and was pretty much set on winning that fight from the get-go. Sasuke also knew he'd be able to beat Oro in a weakened state. Not only that, but he knew he'd be able to beat Oro in his own mental realm. Sasuke knows what he's doing out there. :p He'd most likely figure out something is up with Hidan and his mortality when he sees that some of his attacks flat out don't kill him. Also, there's really no way Hidan is touching Sasuke. Sasuke is much faster than Hidan. Shika did use his intelligence, but also keep in mind that he also saw what Hidan can do against someone, so that right there pretty much did Hidan over. Hidan is very dangerous against anyone who doesn't know what he can do. However, in Sasuke's case, he has intelligence, Sharingan, and mos of all, speed. As I said, Hidan isn't touching Sasuke. And even if Hidan does manage to scratch Sasuke, it'd most likely just be a bunshin genjutsu that Hidan is messing with, like we've recently seen Sasuke use against Itachi himself. Hidan is also pretty stupid, so he may run off at the mouth on his abilities lol. Honestly, guys. Hidan beating Sasuke? That's nearly as bad as Hidan beating Naruto or Kakashi. Not happenin'. All Sasuke needs to do is slice Hidan in half (like he tried against Tobi), and half the work is done. :p If worse comes to worse, he'd just use 'that', and Hidan would be toast. Although I highly doubt Sasuke would need to use 'that'.

Here's one: Healthy Orochimaru w/o Edo Tensei & w/o Manda, vs Kakuzu. (I know those are two rather large handicaps for Oro, but Manda is pretty much dead, and Edo Tensei takes time to prepare...)

Agree with you 100% Mikey. Sasuke can beat Hidan anytime anyday.

how about itachi and kisame?

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Healthy Orochimaru w/o Edo Tensei & w/o Manda, vs Kakuzu: I think Oro is pretty good at dodging those cables kakuzu sends (whatever their names are), and without edo tensei and manda, he has lots of jutsus up his sleeve. If he's got enough stamina/chakra, then he might have enough jutsus for all kakuzu's hearts. And I think oro might have some trick so disable even 2 hearts at a time.
I know kakuzu has so many elemental jutsus, but Oro has pretty much endurance too.
I say oro wins.

Itachi vs Kisame:
1. Saying, Kisame is not Itachi's partner and doesn't know about his sharingan and Ms. No matter now much chakra he has, he might not escape Itachi's MS and genjutsus.

2. And if Kisame is Itachi's partner, he might have learned some tricks and weaknesses about sharingan and be able to counter it.

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2. And if Kisame is Itachi's partner, he might have learned some tricks and weaknesses about sharingan and be able to counter it.[/QUOTE]

No... Itachi is not that stupid. His secrets are well kept. Specially his weaknesses.

No... Itachi is not that stupid. His secrets are well kept. Specially his weaknesses.

well, true. but then that makes Kisame stupid, for being with Itachi for so long and not being clever enough to sense some weaknesses. He's seen Itachi fighting and analyzed his style and patterns.... wait, that goes for Itachi too, he analyzed Kisame. Ok I'm confused. Itachi is better. :P

Sasuke would chop Hidan before he finishes his jutsu.
He is faster, has more jutsus, and has goddamn 5 meter Chidori sword.
Plus, he summons shit.


Here's one: Healthy Orochimaru w/o Edo Tensei & w/o Manda, vs Kakuzu. (I know those are two rather large handicaps for Oro, but Manda is pretty much dead, and Edo Tensei takes time to prepare...)

Kakuzu would rape Orochimaru there.
Now, if Oro had Manda and Edo Tensei, he would defeat Kakuzu.
Though, Kakuzu would blow up those coffins before Oro even finishes his hand seals. Still, I bet on Oro.

how about itachi and kisame?

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Kisame pretty much admitted being inferior to Itachi.

itachi vs. kisame

itachi hands down... kisame is not a smart type of person, yes he's strong, has massive chakra & an excellent suiton user... but he always follows what itachi says..

Orochimaru would shit on Kakuzu, he still has that sword that comes out of his mouth, plus a shitload of other jutsu's up his sleeve.

Sasuke wins this one. Sasuke doesn't need to evaporate Hidan in order to win. Shikamaru didn't. While I'm sure Shikamaru is smarter than Sasuke is, Sasuke is no dope. He completely saw through Deidara's ways and was pretty much set on winning that fight from the get-go. Sasuke also knew he'd be able to beat Oro in a weakened state. Not only that, but he knew he'd be able to beat Oro in his own mental realm. Sasuke knows what he's doing out there. :p He'd most likely figure out something is up with Hidan and his mortality when he sees that some of his attacks flat out don't kill him. Also, there's really no way Hidan is touching Sasuke. Sasuke is much faster than Hidan. Shika did use his intelligence, but also keep in mind that he also saw what Hidan can do against someone, so that right there pretty much did Hidan over. Hidan is very dangerous against anyone who doesn't know what he can do. However, in Sasuke's case, he has intelligence, Sharingan, and mos of all, speed. As I said, Hidan isn't touching Sasuke. And even if Hidan does manage to scratch Sasuke, it'd most likely just be a bunshin genjutsu that Hidan is messing with, like we've recently seen Sasuke use against Itachi himself. Hidan is also pretty stupid, so he may run off at the mouth on his abilities lol. Honestly, guys. Hidan beating Sasuke? That's nearly as bad as Hidan beating Naruto or Kakashi. Not happenin'. All Sasuke needs to do is slice Hidan in half (like he tried against Tobi), and half the work is done. :p If worse comes to worse, he'd just use 'that', and Hidan would be toast. Although I highly doubt Sasuke would need to use 'that'.

I completely agree that Sasuke would win the battle. I was thinking of how to actually kill Hidan. Since he is immortal I just figured that you would have to incinerate him. But sorry if that came out wrong. I definitely think Sasuke would win the battle.

heh.
hey.
how about..
deidara and naruto w/ rasenshuriken.

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Deidara would defeat Naruto quite easily, since Naruto has no way of circumventing Deidara's long range attacks, and has no lightning attacks to cancel out Deidara's bombs. Even clones cannot help Naruto, here.

Deidara would defeat Naruto quite easily, since Naruto has no way of circumventing Deidara's long range attacks, and has no lightning attacks to cancel out Deidara's bombs. Even clones cannot help Naruto, here.

he already came close to deidara when he jumped from the trees and hit him with a rasengan and cut the bird's head. The secret is to bring deidara near a forest, and with all those clones deidara never knows where naruto is and what's his real plan.
And he can always get thrown by a clone in the air, and from there he can do some other clones and jump from one to another to keep his position and to dodge Deidara's bombs, and some secret clones will do a rasenshuriken while deidara is busy.
Naruto is clever and unpredictable enough to do that. he just needs to keep his cool.

Healthy orochimaru lmaooo would obliterate kakuzu all he needs is yondaiem and nothing more lol and he can also summon sarutobi and nidaime and shodaime yeah that pretty much says it all but hey after i said yondaime that said it all already.

Deidara and naruto hmm naruto but it would take a lot longer than sasuke to do it since he has no lighting element. anyways once demon fox's cloak raps naruto deidara lost the fight that is the ultimate defence no attacks can get through the demon cloak his bombs are useless. Not to mention he doesn't have long range you say oh wait what about his crazy ass chakra ball blasts the size of a spirit bomb or that chakra's stretchy arms forgetting those 2 buddy.

Naruto beats deidara as well besides aka kinda foresaw that naruto or sasuke would beat notice how pain said" who beat him the jinchuriki or sasuke"

how about this one kimimaru healthy and kisame also at full power.

Healthy orochimaru lmaooo would obliterate kakuzu all he needs is yondaiem and nothing more lol and he can also summon sarutobi and nidaime and shodaime yeah that pretty much says it all but hey after i said yondaime that said it all already.

well, the condition of this fight was orochimaru without summoning the hokages.

he cannot summon anymore shodaime and nidaime right?
i mean sarutobi already sealed those guys.

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he cannot summon anymore shodaime and nidaime right?
i mean sarutobi already sealed those guys.

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I think they can't, and they couldn't really summon yondaime and sandaime either, since they did the god jutsus themselves too and so they're in the death god belly too, together with the others.

he cannot summon anymore shodaime and nidaime right?
i mean sarutobi already sealed those guys.

^^_^^Technically speaking, no, he shouldn't be able to summon neither Shodaime nor Nidaime. However, in these versus topics, if the fight starter says, Oro w/Edo Tensei....pretty much may mean that yes, only under certain conditions can he use them.

Deidara and naruto hmm naruto but it would take a lot longer than sasuke to do it since he has no lighting element. anyways once demon fox's cloak raps naruto deidara lost the fight that is the ultimate defence no attacks can get through the demon cloak his bombs are useless. Not to mention he doesn't have long range you say oh wait what about his crazy ass chakra ball blasts the size of a spirit bomb or that chakra's stretchy arms forgetting those 2 buddy.

Naruto beats deidara as well besides aka kinda foresaw that naruto or sasuke would beat notice how pain said" who beat him the jinchuriki or sasuke".
Well if Deidara is actually able to use his C4, he would be able to get through Naruto's cloak from the inside. If that doesn't work, i think Deidara's suicide bomb would be able to effect Naruto.
how about this one kimimaru healthy and kisame also at full power.
Kimmimaru is strong, but, i doubt he could stand up to Kisame's strength, Samehada, water jutsus, and his underwater abilities.:cool:

It's no use even bringing up Naruto in the Vs thread anymore, all anyone would ever say is he'll go Nine Tails. It's sad his skills outside of Kyuubi makes him a very impotent adversary.

Anyways; I highly doubt Naruto could survive, even with Nine Tails, Deidara's Garuda. Simply put, big boom would wipe little Naruto out.

As for Kimmimaro and Kisame, Kisame could handle him quite easily I would imagine. His amazing Suiton jutsus should make short work of Kimmimaro and his frilly dances. But, hey, I'm not the Kimmimaro expert here. Some get ACO, so a good debate could blossom. =/

It's no use even bringing up Naruto in the Vs thread anymore, all anyone would ever say is he'll go Nine Tails. It's sad his skills outside of Kyuubi makes him a very impotent adversary.

Anyways; I highly doubt Naruto could survive, even with Nine Tails, Deidara's Garuda. Simply put, big boom would wipe little Naruto out.


how can you say that? if he was able to withstand a direct attack from the sword of kusanagi (while in 4tail mode) i think he would be able to deal with C4 also. I know its two diffrent types of attacks, but come on, i dont think anybody can stand up to naruto 1 on 1 while he is in 4 tails, plus i think just his chakra alone would be able to detonate the miniature bombs before he even gets to inhaling them making c4 garuda useless IMO, nevertheless it would be a good fight though

You can't compare those two situations. Oro's sword trying to pierce the Kyuubi shroud is quite different from air molecule sized explosives. No one here knows whether C4 would affect Naruto in that state or not. We can only assume.

Anyway, here's one: 4-tailed Kyuubi vs The Sannins. Oro is healthy, is able to use Edo Tensei freshly (meaning he can still summon anyone), and Manda is still alive. Jiraiya has access to his Hermit Mode, and Tsunade.............isn't even a factor. o_O Damn. Well, there's that! Go!

okay hmm.
how about.
uhh. jiraiya-sama vs.oro HEALTY oro.

who would win?

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Anyway, here's one: 4-tailed Kyuubi vs The Sannins. Oro is healthy, is able to use Edo Tensei freshly (meaning he can still summon anyone), and Manda is still alive. Jiraiya has access to his Hermit Mode, and Tsunade.............isn't even a factor. o_O Damn. Well, there's that! Go!

Hmm.. Jiraiya did stop four-tailed Naruto before, so why shouldnt he be able to do once again.. Guess thats it.. Orochimaru had a tough fight with four-tailed Naruto, and he would have been killed if it wasnt for Yamato, but if he was healty I still think Orochimaru would be killed... Tsunade wouldnt be much help there, at least I dont think so..


I think The Sannins would be the victors.. I even think Jiraiya could have done it by himself..

The what about four-tailed Naruto vs. Itachi and Kisame?

Yeah, but Jiraiya stopped Naruto so he can go back to normal. This is a versus fight. :p 4 tailed Naruto can't just be stopped by some sealing or whatever jutsu Jiraiya used to stop Naruto and get sent back to base form.

Yeah, but Jiraiya stopped Naruto so he can go back to normal. This is a versus fight. :p 4 tailed Naruto can't just be stopped by some sealing or whatever jutsu Jiraiya used to stop Naruto and get sent back to base form.
After Naruto returned to normal (fight Orochimaru), he was wasted, unconscious and very much "unable" to fight.. Jiraiya could just have killed Naruto afterwards.. So.. So what.. Since its a vs. thread as you said, this seems to be a likely outcome, to me at least..

To me it's sort of like when Naruto went 3 tails infront of Kakashi. Naruto could've killed Kakashi then and there, but Kakashi had a way to stop Naruto and bring him back to base. Whatever Jiraiya did to revert Naruto from 4 tails to base, he can't do in this fight. I mean, did Jiraiya actually say he beat the shit out of Naruto in 4 tails mode in order to get him back to base? Because knowing him, I'm pretty sure he used some sealed tag or whatever, like Kakashi did. So that's what I mean. Naruto remains in 4 tailed form through out the fight. There's no reverting him to base.

He didnt beat the shit out Naruto and why should he do that (they were trainin':S).. Does that really matter? The outcome of the fight would probably be different if Jiraiya "wasnt allowed to use that release-seal-jutsu", but why shouldnt he use it in a full scale battle? Naruto did attack Kakashi, but he dogded it and made Naruto return to base, right.. Naruto did intend to hurt or kill Kakashi, same goes for Jiraiya, he was almost killed..

Would be stupid not to exploit an enemy's weakness', right..

I suppose. But that's incredibly cheap. :p So then Oro and Tsunade can just stand back while Jiraiya slaps some sealed tag on 4 tailed Naruto and insta-win? Nope. That's why I said, in this versus match which I created, that there is no way to make Naruto go back to base form. Making for a real fight.

You didnt mention that Naruto couldnt return to base, but off course the outcome might have been different..

But still you didnt say that..:)

Well I'm saying it now. :) So discuss the outcome now knowing this.

Well I'm saying it now. :) So discuss the outcome now knowing this.
Hahah.. Okay then..

If The Sannin find a way to penetrate the Kyuubi's cloak around Naruto, I do believe they could defeat Naruto.. But if not, no matter what talent they might have, it wont be enough.. Unlimit chakra.. I dont think they could...

Well what do you think then?

Hm. I never did say who'd win did I? :p

It's a tough one. I mean, based on what I've seen from Tsunade, she'd get torn apart pretty easily. Oro has his healing and regenerating, and Jiraiya has his over the top jutsus. His Ultimate Rasengan might be able to damage 4TK. Oh man, even Ma and Pa's frog song genjutsu might not even work on 4TK. o_O Since he can just flood his head with chakra. Oro could use Edo Tensei to summon Shodaime, and Yondaime. Maybe that alone would spell Game Over for 4TK. :p

I still believe that the Sannins would be able to beat 4 tails. Jiraiya has his awesome attacks in his Hermit mode plus his summons, Oro is at full health and has his summons, Tsunade has her strength and her healing jutsus(this would help to heal the other two of course). Even though you said without a seal or whatever, Jiraiya was still able to use the seal. If 4 tails was so powerful, then he would have been able to stop Jiraiya from using the seal.:cool:

I think the three Sannin would defeat the 4-tailed Kyuubi. The three Sannin fought together for a long time. They probably know some special attacks in which they combine their abilities or what have you to defeat their opponent. However, I would think that one of them would be killed in the fight.

Just to go all out: All the Hokages (current and past) vs. Akatsuki (current and past) with the exclusion of Oro

I'm tired of seeing these one on one battles. I want to see an all out rumble. So, who would win?

So, by Hokages, I'm assuming you just mean Konoha Hokages, since we don't know all of the other Kages around. :p

Team Konoha Hokages
-Shodaime: master of mokuton, and is able to make bijuus his bitches, and super strength.
-Nidaime: master suiton user, great genjutsu user, and kinjutsu user.
-Sandaime: monkey summoner, great at taijutsu, great at earth style ninjutsu (I forgot what else he could do! lol), Death God jutsu...I think he also used katon?
-Yondaime: the OMFG of Hokages. Has Rasengan, Death God, sealing jutsu strong enough to take down Kyuubi, Godly speed.....
-Godaime: Super strength, can heal, has a taijutsu style that is like Gai's, which breaks bones, but also uses some medical skills also. Can release a seal to make her temporarily go into God mode (lol). Can summon a huge acid spitting, slug that can break apart. Is the best medical nin.

Team Akatsuki
Pain: Control of six bodies, one is a master at summoning beasts. One is master at absorbing jutsus. One is a supposed master of taijutsu, which remains to be seen. One has telepathic abilities. Others are unknown. Seems like one of the bodies can revive the others somehow.
Madara: He can phase through anything, it seems. Has a three tomoe Sharingan, so....I guess it's a safe assumption he's at least on Sasuke's level of Sharingan skill, and max at Itachi's level.
Konan: She will beat you silly with her paper dolls.
Itachi: Pretty much the God of genjutsu, master Sharingan user, has 2 very dangerous MS jutsus. Ridiculous speed, excellent taijutsu. Uses katon and suiton, but since he's a Sharingan user, it may be safe to assume he has copied other elemental jutsus. Uses exploding bunshins, as well as combining bunshins into his genjutsu.
Kisame: Master suiton user. Has a sword that can eat and absord visible chakra. Has super strength, seems to have decent to great speed (since he kept up with Gai at taijutsu). Has an enormous chakra supply.
Sasori: Puppet master. Has an army of 100 dangerous puppets. Most of his attacks are poison based, has control of one very dangerous puppet, which is the Sand's Kazekage puppet. Can use Iron Sand, which is extremely dangerous. Can switch his heart piece to other puppets when in a bind.
Deidara: Master bomber. Uses clay to create pieces of art which detonate to create huge explosions. C4 and his suicide bombs are ridiculously destructive. Has an eye that was trained to resist Sharingan genjutsu.
Kakuzu: Has a butt load of experience. Uses wierd tentacles to attack very fast. His speed is greater than Kakashi's, so that should say something about his level of speed. Has mastered five elements. Uses masks, and has five hearts in him, which means he'd have to be killed five times. Or take one huge attack. Has Iron Skin.....
Hidan: Truly immortal, and the only way to defeat him is to have knowledge of his ability. Wields a very dangerous weapon, which is specifically designed to increase the rate of drawing the enemies blood. Once he has your blood, you're pretty much fucked.
Orochimaru: (I know he wasn't supposed to be listed, but he was part of Akatsuki, and we are using past and present Hokages, so it's only fair) Is very durable and hard to kill. Master at using snake jutsus, uses some earth jutsu, has a sword that can cut through nearly anything. He can regenerate parts of his body, and has a true form that turns him into a ridiculously ugly snake that is poisonous. He is also in possesion of Manda, the king of snakes, and he's also a master of using and creating kinjutsu. One in particular, Edo Tensei, is extremely dangerous. He can extend his body parts.
Zetsu: Can travel vast distances unnoticed. And, disposes of dead bodies.



Hm. Tough one. o_O Especially since we've not seen what they can all do when going all out. And well, some Akatsuki members are just jokes. Plotwise, Konoha Hokages win. Out of character? Akatsuki takes it.

Hokages vs Akatsuki has been done already in a specific thread.
Akatsuki would stomp on the Hokages.
Not only for the abilities, but their numbers are twice as much.

Besides, Hokages are great all around ninjas, they hardly had something so hax as every Akatsuki has up their sleeve, beside Yondaime's speed.
I hate how people overrate Yondaime though, as if though he was a god who cannot be killed. He is probably stronger than any Akatsuki individually, but that's only probably.
Sasori and Deidara together would kill him easily.

Nidaime: master suiton user, great genjutsu user, and kinjutsu user.

where does it say that he can use genjutsu? or even kinjutsu? im not sure about genjutsu but surely a hokage cant develop kinjutsu because it goes against their principles.

where does it say that he can use genjutsu? or even kinjutsu? im not sure about genjutsu but surely a hokage cant develop kinjutsu because it goes against their principles.
Surely a Hokage can't develop and use kinjutsu? Tsunade's Souzou Saisei technique is kinjutsu, and she's Hokage. >.> So yeah. Though I was incorrect in saying that the genjutsu used against Sarutobi was kinjutsu. It was normal genjutsu called Kokuangyou no Jutsu (Journey into Black Darkness). It's Shodaime's technique, but Nidaime also used it.

Surely a Hokage can't develop and use kinjutsu? Tsunade's Souzou Saisei technique is kinjutsu, and she's Hokage. >.> So yeah. Though I was incorrect in saying that the genjutsu used against Sarutobi was kinjutsu. It was normal genjutsu called Kokuangyou no Jutsu (Journey into Black Darkness). It's Shodaime's technique, but Nidaime also used it.
can you tell me where you got that from? Ninpou Souzou Saisei is not kinjutsu

can you tell me where you got that from? Ninpou Souzou Saisei is not kinjutsu
The databooks that Kishi himself writes disagree with you. They say it IS kinjutsu, whether you like it or not. ;) Souzou Saisei is kinjutsu.

The databooks that Kishi himself writes disagree with you. They say it IS kinjutsu, whether you like it or not. ;) Souzou Saisei is kinjutsu.
i asked you where you got it from so I could read it also since you seem to know a lot bout naruto. Thanks for sharing the knowledge :)

How about....

Ichigo vs Sasuke

Don't forget that flash step is more like teleporting then high speed

Note:When they use it during fights you never see them tryin to track each other movements, they just react when they reappear.

I'll give it to Ichigo.....

i asked you where you got it from so I could read it also since you seem to know a lot bout naruto. Thanks for sharing the knowledge :)Oh, I see. The I apologize for the tone of my last post. ;) I think the link is Leafninja.com, or you can Google: Leafninja, and it should be the very first result.

How about....

Ichigo vs Sasuke

Don't forget that flash step is more like teleporting then high speed

Note:When they use it during fights you never see them tryin to track each other movements, they just react when they reappear.

I'll give it to Ichigo.....Who the heck is Ichigo and what can he/she do?

Who the heck is Ichigo and what can he/she do?

He's from Bleach. I thought you read that....

Oh, I see. The I apologize for the tone of my last post. ;) I think the link is Leafninja.com, or you can Google: Leafninja, and it should be the very first result.

no problem man thanks for the site :)

ichigo wins dude.
maybe they will have a good fight though.
when ichigo turns hollow you know the mask thingy.
even though with CS2 activated sasuke is dead.
why? even if sasuke use katon jutsus ichigo only need getsuga tensho.
and if sasuke used chidori ichigo can evade it.
shunpo is the simple counter to chidori.

hmm how about.. super saiyan 4 goku fused with super saiyan 4 vegeta vs. all of naruto, bleach, one piece characters

who will win?

heh.

^^_^^

who do you think will win pain vs madara

and would anybody be so kind and explain what kind of technique is Kinjitsu (what kind of sort genjutsu) and when and by who it was used. :)

excuse me have I missed smth., or It was a joke? - MikeyM1979: "Yondaime: the OMFG of Hokages. Has Rasengan"

I didn't get this part. I agree Yondaime was the OMFG of hokages and has the rasengan.

and would anybody be so kind and explain what kind of technique is Kinjitsu (what kind of sort genjutsu) and when and by who it was used. :)

*steals from narutocentral*
"Kinjutsu techniques are techniques that are illegal and outlawed by the Kages. Kinjutsu techniques are extremely strong and can cause huge damage when used. If it is mastered by the wrong person; a whole village could be in severe jeopardy. "

I think, but am not sure that naruto's rasenshuriken is a kinjutsu, coz it has huge damage upon the enemy and also on the user himself. So it's dangerous on both sides.

I didn't get this part. I agree Yondaime was the OMFG of hokages and has the rasengan.excuse me about Rasengan, I was thinking about Shiringan on that moment (and mixed two this different things) probably :D because I'm very upset as well, that we won't have any manga this week either :(

I can't agree with Kishi what he is doing, you know we can't say there are two many secrets as much as things are puzled, I think he had forgotten, that time to time he should reveal the secrets to show why everything is happening in this way or so on. well I like too see battles and fascinating, interesting fights, however he left too much things behind to tell, show us and maybe he wants to show them with beath and shock us. we even haven't enough stuff to talk about, by the way do anybody knows how many people watch Naruto anime or read manga, it would be interesting to know; I was completely shocked when I found out how many members had narutocentral.com, about 680 000 and I still can't believe these numbers are true, don't get me wrong :)

I have one!

Non-emo Sasori vs Crazy-ass Itachi. :O

Location: Uchiha Base (remember, it's shrouded in genjutsu, so that somehow gives Crazy-ass Itachi the home turf advantage).

Pain vs. Madara: Besides the little that we know about Madara, we know NOTHING about pain, so this is pretty much up in the air at the moment. If i were to guess, it would be Madara, full MS user w/ 3 extrememly powerful abilities.....Madara obviously.

Sasori vs. Super Psycho Itachi: Itachi, we don't' know what he's capable of at this point. He's willing to do anything. Not to mention, Sasori could be giving it his all, actually winning the battle, wooping on Itachi, only to find out he's stuck in Itachi's genjutsu, and then itachi whacks out and Tsukuyomi's him, only not just for a short period of time, like years of absolute torture. Broke. Uchiha TORTURE!!!

Actually, after we get a little more information on Madara's abilities. We know that Shodai Hokage defeated Madara, but how do you think Yondaime would fair against Madara.
Madara (red eyes) vs. Yondaime (the Yellow flash)

Actually, after we get a little more information on Madara's abilities. We know that Shodai Hokage defeated Madara, but how do you think Yondaime would fair against Madara.
Madara (red eyes) vs. Yondaime (the Yellow flash)

I still find it hard to believe that Madara was just outright beat like what it sounds like. After all, he did have the Ultimate MS supposedly. I would say Madara based on all the things that was said and all the things we have heard about him(like being able to control the Kyuubi like a pet).:cool:

How does Madara being able to control Kyuubi help him against someone like Yondaime? :p

How does Madara being able to control Kyuubi help him against someone like Yondaime? :p

itachi pretty much said and sealed it madara was beat by shodaime while he had eternal mk but madara still went on used kyuubi to sdestory konoha but yondaime stopped that too by beating the most powerful creature.

yondaime would role up and down all over madara's ass.

Indeed lol. I mean, unless Kyuubi is involved in this fight, I don't see what good Madara's ability to control Kyuubi would do him against anyone. That's just like, a unique ability for use when the time is right. It's like saying Shodaime would beat so and so because he can control bijuus. So? Unless bijuus are involved in the fight, that ability to control them is useless.

yondaime would role up and down all over madara's ass.

You better believe it bitches. Minato was the shit. Nuff said.

But Id be careful ins aying that he defeated the Kyuubi. Technically the Kyuubi still lives and it tool his own sacrafice to "defeat" the Kyuubi. Not much of a victory if you cant live to enjoy the spoils.

It was a victory in the same light that Sarutobi was victorious against Orochimaru and his forces. While Konoha did get messed up a bit, Sarutobi still managed to keep Konoha safe. Yondaime gave the ultimate sacrifice and saved Konoha and possibly the world from Kyuubi. While it's true that Kyuubi is alive in Naruto, there's a big difference in having Kyuubi run around destroying everything in it's path, and having it sealed within Naruto.

You better believe it bitches. Minato was the shit. Nuff said.

But Id be careful ins aying that he defeated the Kyuubi. Technically the Kyuubi still lives and it tool his own sacrafice to "defeat" the Kyuubi. Not much of a victory if you cant live to enjoy the spoils.

well he did seal it up and i think kyuubi repects him for that saying stuff like "you should be grateful to yondaime for him sealing me in a guy like you" lol

but point is madara failed twice and both were hokages lol the 4th was just more powerful and was able to pull out kyuubi's soul he just sealed the chakra in naruto how yondaime did the thing she did with death god is a mystery like bigg asss mystery thing.

then again he did invent the jutsu which i must say still remains the most powerful jutsu to date.

It was a victory in the same light that Sarutobi was victorious against Orochimaru and his forces. While Konoha did get messed up a bit, Sarutobi still managed to keep Konoha safe. Yondaime gave the ultimate sacrifice and saved Konoha and possibly the world from Kyuubi. While it's true that Kyuubi is alive in Naruto, there's a big difference in having Kyuubi run around destroying everything in it's path, and having it sealed within Naruto.

True. I was thinking more in the 1 on 1 sense. If both parties die, then noone wins. Much less if one party "kinda dies" and the other one "really dies" then Id have to give it to the "almost alive" one.

well he did seal it up and i think kyuubi repects him for that saying stuff like "you should be grateful to yondaime for him sealing me in a guy like you" lol

I think he was more referring to Naruto being grateful that Minato sealed him in Naruto so the Kyuubi could save his ass.

True. I was thinking more in the 1 on 1 sense. If both parties die, then noone wins. Much less if one party "kinda dies" and the other one "really dies" then Id have to give it to the "almost alive" one.
Isn't that kind of saying, that Gaara won against Kimimaro, because Kimi died on his own? :p Even though we saw Kimi take everything Gaara had to offer, and still kept coming back.

New one! Sorry if this has already been done, I'm honestly NOT going to read through 110 pages of thread...

4 Tails Naruto vs. Yondaime Hokage (fight to the death)

To me, this one favors Yondaime around 10% more than Naruto. Think about it, Yondaime has super speed that is most likely equal to demon cloaked Naruto. Plus, if he has super speed and the Rasengan, I think there's a high chance he would be able to dodge a bunch of attacks and then plant a big ol' Spiraling Sphere right in his face ^_^

Erm, I kind of have my doubts that Rasengan can actually penetrate 4TK's chakra cloak.

Erm, I kind of have my doubts that Rasengan can actually penetrate 4TK's chakra cloak.

I'm sure persistence can if Rasengan alone can't :p

well, Yondaime can pull out his last move, and seal 4TK in some scroll and put it on a shelf.

New one! Sorry if this has already been done, I'm honestly NOT going to read through 110 pages of thread...

4 Tails Naruto vs. Yondaime Hokage (fight to the death)

To me, this one favors Yondaime around 10% more than Naruto. Think about it, Yondaime has super speed that is most likely equal to demon cloaked Naruto. Plus, if he has super speed and the Rasengan, I think there's a high chance he would be able to dodge a bunch of attacks and then plant a big ol' Spiraling Sphere right in his face ^_^

I don't think there's enough evidence to actually calculate 4 tails naruto's speed since he never actually moved during the whole fight against Orochimaru. But since Yondaime was able to keep up with Kyuubi my guess is that hes faster. Although I don't think Yondaime has anything that could be able to pierce the 4 tail's chakra armor, since the Kusanagi sword couldn't do it and that has been said to pierce anything until now.

i agree we can only assume the speed of the 4tales would be outrageous but then again the speed of the 4th was also up there i don't think we have enough info to put this fight together bit by bit but to say the ending i couldnt begin to explain the many variable to consider for the battle

I don't think there's enough evidence to actually calculate 4 tails naruto's speed since he never actually moved during the whole fight against Orochimaru. But since Yondaime was able to keep up with Kyuubi my guess is that hes faster. Although I don't think Yondaime has anything that could be able to pierce the 4 tail's chakra armor, since the Kusanagi sword couldn't do it and that has been said to pierce anything until now.
We never saw Yondaime's fight with Kyuubi, though. All we saw was that he sealed Kyuubi in Naruto, and that he needed Gamabunta in the battle. There's really no evidence showing that Yondaime actually ever kept up with or surppassed Kyuubi in speed. Also, it's not too hard to judge 4TK's speed. If we look at the past, at how fast OTK, 1TK, 3TK, and 4TK were in speed and attacking.

but even so we have nothing to compare the kyuubi's speed with any amount of tales to the 4ths speed because we havnt had a demonstration of his true ability..

I agree with many of you that we dont know 4TK Naruto's speed as theres just no instance that demonstrated his speed at all. 1TK Naruto against Sasuke was pretty damn quick by itself. Surely both Naruto himself and the 4TK mode are leagues faster.

I have my doubts if he could keep up with Yondaime though. Yondy actually teleported which is more than speed. But, he was also (as far as we know) primarily a Taijutsu user. The Orochimaru fight demonstrated just how dangerous the 4TK Naruto is come hand to hand. The Kusunagi sword couldnt pierce him and a mear touch vaporized Orochimaru's snake arm and followed all the way to his body (just after Orochimaru managed to slide out).

ok new one how about neji vs. kankuro i think neji would win

That's not even fair... Neji would clean up Kankurou.

That's not even fair... Neji would clean up Kankurou.

but they are both jounin status

Neji vs Kankurou...hmm. That's a good one, a close range vs a long range. I would have to say Neji because he is pretty fast and good at dodging and maneuvering. Plus, with the Byakugan, he would be able to see which chakra points he would have to hit in order to stop Kankurou from using his chakra to attatch himself to his puppets. So if Neji were quick enough to dodge while getting close and then deliver the final blow, he would win.

We never saw Yondaime's fight with Kyuubi, though. All we saw was that he sealed Kyuubi in Naruto, and that he needed Gamabunta in the battle. There's really no evidence showing that Yondaime actually ever kept up with or surppassed Kyuubi in speed. Also, it's not too hard to judge 4TK's speed. If we look at the past, at how fast OTK, 1TK, 3TK, and 4TK were in speed and attacking.

Well hello!! I will use your own statements against you. :p Gamabuntas is shit and couldn't even keep up with Shukaku (1 tails). The probable reason he was with Yondaime was to prevent Kyuubi from stepping on Minato, protecting Minato while he prepared the jutsu and for the Shiki Fujin to actually reach kyuubi. What I'm saying is that he had to fast enough to catch him. There's no use in calculating 4 tail's speed since he acts differently than while he's still naruto (From 3 tails down). He fought against orochimaru and didn't even move from that spot until Oro got him with his sword.

I am not saying he's slow or slower than Minato, but you can't say he's faster either cause there's no proof. You could say that since Oro managed to land a punch on 4tails that he's faster than him, but you could also say that 4 tails let Oro hit him so he could get a wack at him. My point being is that there's no sufficient evidence to calculate neither Naruto nor Minato in any VS fight at this point.

Just my 2 cents ;).

but they are both jounin status

I'm afraid that rank doesn't mean too much in Naruto as people like Shikamaru (chuunin) can defeat Hidan (s-class Akatsuki immortal shinobi).

Yodamie vs. Naruto 4T

Couldn't anyone great with sealing jutsu(Sarutobi, Minato, Jiraiya, Orochimaru, "maybe" Tsunade) could potentially seal the chakra to defeat Naruto in a 4 tailed state... How else would you explain Jiraiya defeating Naruto without killing him... with that said Yodamie wins...


Neji vs. Kankurou

Kankurou only has 3 puppets right? Neji should be able to dodge better then chiyo could considering the age difference & Neji's Byakugan. With only 3 puppets(now I know one or two split apart but still) I don't see Kankurou landing any hits or finding any type of openings on Neji. This fight would end quickly as Neji can just cut the chakra strings to the puppets. Neji wins.

Well hello!! I will use your own statements against you. :p Gamabuntas is shit and couldn't even keep up with Shukaku (1 tails). The probable reason he was with Yondaime was to prevent Kyuubi from stepping on Minato, protecting Minato while he prepared the jutsu and for the Shiki Fujin to actually reach kyuubi. What I'm saying is that he had to fast enough to catch him. There's no use in calculating 4 tail's speed since he acts differently than while he's still naruto (From 3 tails down). He fought against orochimaru and didn't even move from that spot until Oro got him with his sword.

I am not saying he's slow or slower than Minato, but you can't say he's faster either cause there's no proof. You could say that since Oro managed to land a punch on 4tails that he's faster than him, but you could also say that 4 tails let Oro hit him so he could get a wack at him. My point being is that there's no sufficient evidence to calculate neither Naruto nor Minato in any VS fight at this point.

Just my 2 cents ;).
Link me to where I said Gamabunta is shit and couldn't keep up with Shukaku. :p Otherwise, I never said it.

Link me to where I said Gamabunta is shit and couldn't keep up with Shukaku. :p Otherwise, I never said it.

You didn't say it, I did. otherwise I would of quoted it. It was my opinion. I said Gamabunta is shit in front of Kyuubi when he couldn't even stand up to Shukaku on his own.

Yodamie vs. Naruto 4T

Couldn't anyone great with sealing jutsu(Sarutobi, Minato, Jiraiya, Orochimaru, "maybe" Tsunade) could potentially seal the chakra to defeat Naruto in a 4 tailed state... How else would you explain Jiraiya defeating Naruto without killing him... with that said Yodamie wins...
With that said, why didn't Orochimaru seal Naruto when he fought against him?
Because he couldn't. Jiraiya was probably mortally wounded when he tried to supress the 4 tails. But it wasn't that he tried not to kill him probably because he couldn't hurt him.

Neji vs. Kankurou

Kankurou only has 3 puppets right? Neji should be able to dodge better then chiyo could considering the age difference & Neji's Byakugan. With only 3 puppets(now I know one or two split apart but still) I don't see Kankurou landing any hits or finding any type of openings on Neji. This fight would end quickly as Neji can just cut the chakra strings to the puppets. Neji wins.
I agree with you on most part except that even though Chiyo was very old, she was very strong and she had a lot of fighting experience. She was also very fast and was probably stronger than Kakashi. <---That's strictly my opinion. Also bear in mind that she held her own against Sasori and Sasori beat the crap out of Kankurou (without even trying). But I guess that Neji would still beat Kankurou.

Yodamie vs. Naruto 4T

Couldn't anyone great with sealing jutsu(Sarutobi, Minato, Jiraiya, Orochimaru, "maybe" Tsunade) could potentially seal the chakra to defeat Naruto in a 4 tailed state... How else would you explain Jiraiya defeating Naruto without killing him... with that said Yodamie wins...

Actually jiraiya suppressed naruto's chakra with a seal he created there really is no evidence anyone else can do it because if they could oro would have done it himself. Jiraiya is good at the whole sealing thing for him to seal up and suppress amaterasu.

Yondaime would obliterate 4 tails jiraiya if went into hermit mode would kill naruto yondaime would beat it before naruto had the chance to react ftg unless kyuubi 4 tails has speed of light moves like ftg no chance.

And i doubt kyuubi 4 tails has speed gretaer than yondaime's because that would mean kyuubi 9 tails would have killed him before the sealing.

To get the kyuubi sealed you have to get close to the target before the death god can pull out the soul,so yondaime 100% was able to get close to kyuubi bascially about as close as sarutobi got to orochimaru before the sealing began.


With that said yondaime defeated 9 tails lol 4 tails is a joke to that guy nobody can beat yondaime it's fact his speed overall skill and for him to have surpassed every other hoakge alone says it all sarutobi god of ninja shodaime defeated madara nidaime unsurpassed in water jutsu created anub and a shit load of other things. Those guys were genius's but yondaime surpassed them all and the story hasn't hinted to any one else being more powerful than he was other than perhaps kyuubi which was beat as well.

Yondaime is point blank the strongest shinobi intellect and strength wise in the entire series he is the goku of naruto let's put it that way.

And for his intellect the way he sealed kyuubi says it all extracted the beast split it's chakra's into light and dark sealed the light in naruto somehow sealed the dark in himself put up an 8 trigram seals over a 4 trigram seal. Out of this world.

As for neji vs kankuro if neji doesn't use byakugan he is dead but with byakugan he can see the chakra threads from kankuro's arm's bascially he can cut them it wouldn't be a quick fight but neji would win.

Neji vs Kankurou...hmm. That's a good one, a close range vs a long range. I would have to say Neji because he is pretty fast and good at dodging and maneuvering. Plus, with the Byakugan, he would be able to see which chakra points he would have to hit in order to stop Kankurou from using his chakra to attatch himself to his puppets. So if Neji were quick enough to dodge while getting close and then deliver the final blow, he would win.

kankurous not longe-range he's more like mid-range.

About Oro. He was testing Naruto's abilities in battle so it wouldn't make sense for him to simply seal away Naruto's chakra. Once Orochimaru was hurt Yamato already started to contain Naruto so there was no point for Oro to do anything here. Oro has used a 5 prong seal to mess with Naruto's original seal before. I don't see why he wouldn't be able to seal Naruto chakra in the same fashion as Jiraiya did sense both had the same teacher. Which is why I bought up Sarutobi, & Tsunade sense its my opinion that Sarutobi is the one who first taught the sannin sealing jutsu.

Edit: What I was getting at with Jiraiya is I don't think he beat Naruto into submission but rather used some sort of sealing jutsu to contain his chakra. Which he may have learned from Sarutobi sense he was his teacher & master of 1000 jutsu. It only makes sense at least to me that Jiraiya would learn sealing jutsu from Sarutobi sense Sarutobi used deathgod jutsu which seems to be a high level sealing jutsu. Bah ok I'm rambling lol

About Oro. He was testing Naruto's abilities in battle so it wouldn't make sense for him to simply seal away Naruto's chakra. Once Orochimaru was hurt Yamato already started to contain Naruto so there was no point for Oro to do anything here. Oro has used a 5 prong seal to mess with Naruto's original seal before. I don't see why he wouldn't be able to seal Naruto chakra in the same fashion as Jiraiya did sense both had the same teacher. Which is why I bought up Sarutobi, & Tsunade sense its my opinion that Sarutobi is the one who first taught the sannin sealing jutsu.

Edit: What I was getting at with Jiraiya is I don't think he beat Naruto into submission but rather used some sort of sealing jutsu to contain his chakra. Which he may have learned from Sarutobi sense he was his teacher & master of 1000 jutsu. It only makes sense at least to me that Jiraiya would learn sealing jutsu from Sarutobi sense Sarutobi used deathgod jutsu which seems to be a high level sealing jutsu. Bah ok I'm rambling lol

Well what oro did before was a simple 5 bronze seal sorry it isn't simple since only oro jiraiya and sarutobi could do it but this seal was a whole new one.

Besides i think that frog with the key had something to do with the sealing as well we will never know unfortunatley. well sarutboi used death god because minato taught it to him and even then he doesn't know how to use like minato did "so this is the reaper the 4th told me about" sarutobi learned it from minato but to how it works perfectly is only known to the greate shinobi ever minato namikaze.

Also take in to account that jiraiya became super powerful with training in the moboyoku mountain with the toads they could have taught him a lot seeing in how he set's up seal through out the manga.

-5 elemental bronze unseal
-fire suppressor sealing
-a barrier seal in the pein fight
-a detection seal barrier
-the seal to force in kyuubi's chakra when it comes out


Oh vengence i just remembered the seal jiraiya used was drawn on parchment meaning he had to make it up himself since we saw how he gave it to kakashi himself so i don't think anyone else knew but him.

Well what oro did before was a simple 5 bronze seal sorry it isn't simple since only oro jiraiya and sarutobi could do it but this seal was a whole new one.

Besides i think that frog with the key had something to do with the sealing as well we will never know unfortunatley. well sarutboi used death god because minato taught it to him and even then he doesn't know how to use like minato did "so this is the reaper the 4th told me about" sarutobi learned it from minato but to how it works perfectly is only known to the greate shinobi ever minato namikaze.

Also take in to account that jiraiya became super powerful with training in the moboyoku mountain with the toads they could have taught him a lot seeing in how he set's up seal through out the manga.

-5 elemental bronze unseal
-fire suppressor sealing
-a barrier seal in the pein fight
-a detection seal barrier
-the seal to force in kyuubi's chakra when it comes out


Oh vengence i just remembered the seal jiraiya used was drawn on parchment meaning he had to make it up himself since we saw how he gave it to kakashi himself so i don't think anyone else knew but him.

I forgot that Minato taught Sarutobi that jutsu was thinking it was the other way around. Or that Sarutobi taught it to Jiraiya & Jiraiya taught it to Minato. Fair enough about the toad scroll as there's nothing to counter that with considering the scroll is related to Naruto & his seal. It may have been something only those like Minato & Jiraiya would know sense they both had contracts with the toad family. You make a good point about Jiraiya learning these advanced sealing jutsu from the toad sage himself. I won't try to counter this argument.

I don't see why he wouldn't be able to seal Naruto chakra in the same fashion as Jiraiya did sense both had the same teacher.

Even tho they both had the same teacher you can't assume that they all know the same techniques. Plus they all separated and learned more things alone.

kabuto versus yamato?

Alrighty Vengeance, I'll let you get this shindig started.

edit- Which reminds me, any particular terrain in mind?

hehe ummm uchiha village

Ooooooh, we're really getting down into it eh? Alrighty then, I still say you can make the first move. I'll wait. And as for doing it in the prediction thread...meh doesn't matter where. So long as no one tries to interfere for the time being.

edit--must be a big post ^.^ *Sigh* Can no one appreciate the value of small things? Bigger does not always mean better you know...though I'm sure some people would argue that one eh? :p

Thats right its how you work it.. lol

i would debate you but my post are always small.. i cant bring myself to write a lot.. not to mention i suck at Vs. stuff >.<

Sasuke vs. Itachi
location: Uchiha Village

Taijutsu ability; I'd have to say looking at the latest chapters its clear Itachi has the slight advantage in this department. Itachi does have the upper hand when it comes to strait taijutsu, but Sasuke makes up for this disadvantage with his Chidori & its variations which he can use in conjunction with his Taijutsu.

Jutsu ability
Itachi has shown various fire jutsu, can make shadow clones that explode, & yeah kick ass genjutsu. Itachi's two strongest jutsu are...

Tsyukomi: Basically the highest Highest form of Genjutsu we've seen to date. Simply "believed" to be unbeatable.

Amaterasu: This jutsu was strong enough to brake free from Jiraiya's toad stomach. Itachi needs to close his eyes to build up chakra. Then once the "blink" is finished & Itachi's eyes open the jutsu is preformed. The travel speed of the jutsu or if the jutsu instantly burns the target within Itachis line of sight is still unknown as we didn't actually see the jutsu preformed.

Sasuke has shown us Chidori with many variations & can also use various fire jutsu. Sasuke can perform CS transformations & is also able to preform partial transformations at will. Sasuke is adept in genjutsu comparable to Itachi's normal sharingan genjutsu. Sasuke can also summon snakes that can be used as shields or projectile attacks.

In my opinion Sasuke can get past Tsyukomi as is implied in confirmed spoilers. Sasuke has been effected by this jutsu twice & no doubt has prepared for this situation by building up his genjutsu abilities while training with Orochimaru. Taking into consideration orochimaru's training, Sasuke's strong will to survive, & the hate he has for Itachi will be what helps him overcome the dojutsu. Now I'm not saying he wouldn't be affected at all. Just that he'll regain composer & still have the ability to continue the fight. Itachi's chakra would also be drained.

Amaterasu is no doubt powerful however there is a slight delay on the execution of the dojutsu. Itachi has to close his eys, buildup chakra, then reopen his eyes. Leaving an opening in Itachi's defense. Sasuke can now see chakra as color, giving Sasuke the ability to foresee this attack. Sasuke can then quickly summon snakes to block Itachi's line of sight then move away. Amaterasu also drains a big portion of Itachi's chakra.

This wouldn't be an easy fight for Sasuke but considering his healing factor & huge chakra supply I can see Sasuke surviving long enough to out last Itachi.


PS: sorry for the late response I started off saying allot more then I originally wanted to & decided to scrap half the post.

Edit: Guess you logged out o well... going to the store BB in 5-10 minutes if you comeback.

Alrighty then, let's get this show on the road.
Sasuke vs. Itachi
location: Uchiha Village


I am glad to see that you have taken the high road and given the perks for Itachi as well. Yes, I do believe Itachi is faster than Sasuke, his speed on that last attack that rammed Sasuke into the wall was nothing short of impressive. Also, the showdown with the Shuriken proved that his speed is enough to keep up with Sasuke when Sasuke has enhancements such as those seals to make grabbing Shuriken easier. The speed that would be required to pull out as many shuriken as Itachi did is again..nothing short of amazing. As you said, Sasuke has his chidori variations, but I will address that farther down. Yes I agree Itachi is faster as shown in the fight & shuriken throwing contest.

0.0 Where'd all that information come from? I think I already have a good guess though, so let me go ahead and counter that. If you'll look back to before Itachi uses the Amaterasu, you will see that the reason he closed his eyes was merely to bring out the MS again. He has already shown us that he does not like to keep it up when not in use since it furthers his blindness, and he did not know that he was going to have to use Amaterasu at the time to break free from the meaty walls of the stomach around them. I think it's a very safe and logical assumption that after torturing Sasuke he turned it off.

O damn you got me lol. I just checked it Itachi did have his MS turned off.

As such, that 'delay, was merely him activating the MS again, which he has always closed his eyes when he does. As for the way the Amaterasu works, and the 'buildup' of chakra, all of that is pure assumption with no actual backing...if you do have some though, by all means share it.
Yes you're right it is an assumption about the chakra buildup. Though in order to create a jutsu doesn't one first need to mold the chakra to fit the design of the jutsu. Itachi would need to combine his normal chakra with fire base chakra before executing the jutsu. The act of molding the chakra of such a high level dojutsu wouldn't be instant in my opinion.

While Itachi might not be able to copy the snake techniques, I wouldn't say it's impossible for him to similarly copy Sasuke's own chidori techniques and use them as a counter. What could would Sasuke's Chidori Nagashi do if it was met with an equal and similar force? We already know that techniques can be copied and followed in the heat of battle and then used against the enemy, Kakashi has displayed this many times. To say someone on Itachi's level could not...would be insulting I think.
Hmmm... Interesting point about copying Chidori didn't think of that hehe.This is very much possible & reasonable. This is why Sasuke wouldn't be able to use the same jutsu more then 1-2 times. However Itachi hasn't seen all variations of Chidori yet so Sasuke could still use some Chidori variations but not for long. Both know the Uchiha fire jutsu so they'd cancel each other out in that respect.

For the Cursed seal, I think that brings it into an endurance game. I am sure that Itachi knows more than enough to understand the side effects of the cursed seal. Even Sasuke has admitted that, despite his mastery over it, he can not maintain it indefinitely as the slow drain of it strains his body and eats away at him. This is why he is constantly bouncing between using it and not. To that end, it would just be a matter of timing and prediction..something the Sharingan excels at, in getting around the Cursed Seal. If nothing else, Itachi can merely go on the defenseive and conserve his energy while Sasuke burns himself out.
Hmm... how to counter this... lol. Hmm.. Itachi can analyze the timing between transformations in these short bust of power. Yes I agree considering the type of genius Itachi is. I think CS transformations would be better used in a more defensive strategy for Sasuke. To grant him small burst of speed to evade attacks or burst of strength to overpower Itachi if Itachi happens to grab him.

Already answered this one above. But I would like to add something. Sasuke has been training for three years and made incredible leaps and bounds in that time, I won't deny that

...But why does everyone assume that Itachi, someone who prides himself on his capacity and his ambition to surpass Madara, just sat on his ass for three years and did nothing? Somehow...I just can't picture that. Itachi was training too...not in the way that Sasuke was obviously, and certainly not devoting every waking moment of every day to this cause, but he is not at the exact same level he was at three years ago; he too would have gotten stronger over the TS. And as such, so too would his capacity and abilities have grown, allowing for more of those 'oh so limited' techniques that everyone paints the Ama and Tsukuyomi to be. I doubt he is barely capable of using 2-3 of those a day at this point.
Granted Itachi may have been training as well. I can't even bring up Sasuke's training with Orochimaru was a defense when comparing training partners. Sense its been found out that Itachi not only knew of Madara but was trained by him. It's possible Itachi would train with Madara to further enhance his skills during the time skip. Considering enemies like Jiraiya were proving to be troublesome. Though Sasuke is doing an awesome job if this is indeed the case. So like you said it's safe to Say Sasuke gained more after the time skip. Though Itachi's chakra capacity could have risen as well sense the time skip . Allowing him more MS jutsu use. Though I have to argue this point; over time MS losses it's light so to speak. Would it be wise for Itachi to simply practice his MS jutsu's so he'd be able to use them more in battle. Considering it'll hasten his blindness.

No problems man, I thought you'd just abandoned me but no worries.

I would like to add one more step to this debate... Somehow, I think this has been seriously overlooked in the past, but I think it could be key in Itachi's capabilities. Everyone just assumes that he only has fire techniques when, in truth, he has been running around with a fully developed sharingan since he was what? Eight years old?
This is true Itachi may not be limited to just fire jutsu. However Sasuke has shown us more verity in jutsu when compared to Itachi at this point. We also have not seen the full extent of Orochimaru's training. Orochimaru was a guy who's main ambition was to master all known jutsu. I man of this caliber must have known an extraordinary amount of different types of jutsu. Considering this & the fact he had Sasuke as a student; it's very much possible that Orochimaru was able to train Sasuke by simply sparing with him repeatedly throwing all combat type jutsu Orochimaru would have known. Giving Sasuke in my opinion the edge in verity of jutsu.

Itachi has proven himself to have a capable arsenal of jutsu, including the water based ones he displayed when they first encountered Kakashi in part one..I believe he showed two of them at the time. So I imagine after this many years, and especially under the tutelage of Uchiha Madara...a man with the Sharingan who has been around for well over one hundred years (you had better believe that this sob has a LOT of techniques to show), Itachi has quite an arsenal himself.
& there goes the Madara trainer idea dammit I knew it was coming hehehe. Only thing I could really say is we can only speculate on what Madara knew. I can't seriously imply Orochimaru would have known more jutsu then a Sharingan users who's been around for over 100 years.


Furthermore, we are all assuming that he also does not have another natural elemental affinity. All Uchiha's are gifted with a fire affinity, however, like Sasuke has shown us, that does not mean they can not still possess another one that is not inherent to their clan. Sasuke's in this case, was lightning. Who's to say Itachi is any different? He too may ver well have his own natural affinity aside from the flames the Uchiha pride themselves upon.

I rest my case ^.^
Yes I agree it's very much possible that Itachi could potentially have a natural affinity for another element. Which element it is we can only speculate.

How many variations of Chidori have we seen? You make it sound like he's got a wide array when he only has what? Three? Chidori, Chidori Nagashi, and then the ability to create a blade of pure lightning through shape/nature manipulation that he can extend at will to great lengths. That's all...and that's if that blade is even considered Chidori. In that respect...you'd be saying any lightning natured jutsu that he uses is some version of chidori which I don't think is true. So there aren't very many for him to 'hide'.
Sasuke could use Nagashi to add lighting element to his attacks as well use it to momentarily stun Itachi. Leaving an opening in Itachi defense.


Fair enough, but this also allows me to take CS out of the offensive arsenal as far as timing is concerned. If Sasuke only uses it for brief bursts of power defensively with the occational offense, it greatly reduces it's overall potential use against Itachi.
I wouldn't say reduces the overall potential. My idea for Sasuke winning is that he'll be able to out last Itachi. If Sasuke were to use CS transformations continuely it'll only hasten chakra fatigue. So using CS in a defensive manner is actually a smart thing for Sasuke to do.

Not necessarily. Who says you have to use a specific high powered jutsu to build chakra capacity? In fact, who says you have to use the MS at all in training...He could very well be doing Kage Bunshin training...we know he already knows the technique. Even if he can't use it anywhere near to the extent as Naruto, he could still maintain a good 100 or so clones to greatly advance his training. The use of Kage Bunshin alone would enhance chakra capacity from the constant strain and drain on the chakra coils.
Fair enough he could use different training methods to try & boost his overall chakra supply.

I addressed this in one of the replies above; There aren't that many variations of Chidori, and Itachi has shown himself very capable of a variety of jutsu as well. As you said, has has displayed Kage Bunshin; Exploding Kage Bunshin, advanced Water techniques, advanced fire techniques, genjutsu, genjutsu reversals which put the user of a genjutsu into your place and in their own genjutsu...etc etc. As far as versatility goes, that shows me that Itachi has shown a more wide array of techniques thus far. What's a few Chidori variations (albeit powerful ones) compared to the many different uses and types that Itachi has displayed?
& Sasuke has displayed advanced lighting techniques, advanced fire techniques, genjutsu, genjutsu reversals in a way in the current fight. Not to mention clones, replacements, & some pretty wire tricks. O yeah did I mention Sasuke could also summon snakes. I don't remember a time where Itachi has ever summoned anything. Sasuke summoned Manda in the brink of a mini nuke(for lack of a better term) showing Sasuke is fully capable of summoning some of the more larger snakes that Orochimaru use to play with(Forest of death as an example). Itachi would need to waste chakra deposing of these snakes.

*dances* Sorry for falling asleep on you last night. Not quite sure how it happened. But if it makes you feel better, because of the position I slept in I felt like shit all morning.
No worries man I know it was late. I just want to say it's a little hard to argue for Sasuke without using plot-nojutsu or Kishi fandom. I'm trying though. I kind of forsee a clash of jutsu happening soon. Amaterasu vs. "that jutsu" they clash & cancel each other out. Pure speculation though hehehe :D

Ahh wall o text alert.. lol

I won't argue that he can add lightning nature to his various techniques...but that still doesn't make every technique 'chidori'. The chidori itself was a lightning technique..does that mean we call every lightning natured technique chidori? I think that's an over-dramatization of it if you ask me...since everyone runs around saying ZOMG LIGHTNING HE JUST USED CHIDORI!! It tends to hype up the regular lightning techniques...If you ask me, while lightning enhancements are good, they are really no different than any other kind. So it adds a paralytic effect to your attacks...that's nice...but it's not a zomg end game type thing. It's just another minor boost imo.
Yeah I can agree not every lighting based jutsu should be considered a chidori variation. That still doesn't disprove the idea of Sasuke being arguably the strongest lighting user we've seen to date.


People need to accept the fact that there are other lightning techniques that don't go by the name Chidori...general lightning maniuplation does not = chidori. And that also means general lightning manipulation does not mean every lightning jutsu he uses is that same high ranked super jutsu that Kakashi originally taught him. Granted Chidori Nagashi is by far a much better technique...but again, these can all be copied and ass you said, they probably wouldn't work more than once against Itachi. So unless Sasuke is capable of killing him with the first one, he loses this ability.
Again I agree which is why in my last post changed it to advanced lighting techniques instead of Chidori. The copy argument damn that sharingan. However any other elemental jutsu Itachi may know that aren't related to MS Sasuke could also copying.


Ahh but it does. I understand what you mean by conserving it and using it defensively, but if you can only use it in such a way, then it limits it's overall potential. For example: You have an ability that is awesome for both offense and defense....now cut offense from the equation...the technique just lost half of it's effectiveness and potential. Still great defense...but that's it. And even if used defensively, it would still slowly drain him every time he popped it up.
I think we both gave our opinions on the CS at this point. There really isn't much more I could add except that if Sasuke were to somehow stun(Nagashi) or restrain(snakes) Itachi he could then transform to boost the damage of his known jutsu. Potentially leading to a kill hit.


I won't argue that Sasuke has a wide array of techniques too...I'm just arguing that Itachi would logically have a great many more. The overall variety Itachi has provides more utility than the limited amount Sasuke has.
Damn Madara trainer. However as stated above Sasuke could also copy these jutsu.

We've already seen that they are at even as far as genjutsu goes, provided we discount the Tsukuyomi. So again, I won't try to go into that. So let's just cut genjutsu from the fight.
Fair enough considering CS2 just broke Tsukuyomi. :cool:

They both have the same advanced fire techniques with the exception of the Amaterasu which I'm willing to bet my life is far superior seeing as even Zetsu has said it is 'legendary' and was excited that he might finally get to see it. Granted it is a heavy drain, I won't deny that, but again, since the majority of their fire techniques are the same, like the genjutsu, we can cut it out.
Isn't "that jutsu" also fire based when looking at the initial hand signs? I say we'll have a clash of each fighters strongest fire jutsu canceling eachother out. Pure speculation lol. Though I don't think Amaterasu is laser vision nor does it instantly inflame its target. Though I already bought up the idea of blocking Itachi's line of sight with snakes. Sense we're in the Uchiha Village Sasuke could also duck behind a house. :p

As far as clones and replacements go, I personally think Itachi is superior, but we do not know the capability of those 'snake clones' Sasuke has made. I imagine it's just a basic genjutsu to make them look like the real him but who knows. Itachi did say genjutsu. So in all honesty, is it even a clone? He never said 'Snake clone no jutsu" or anything did he? All we heard was Genjutsu before the illusion disappeared.
Yeah exploding clones is no laughing matter at all. Though if Itachi were to grab a genjutsu snake clone as you called it couldn't the snake restrain Itachi's movement? I do remember Sasuke also using regular clones as well in the past.

And then we finally come to the summonings. Manda is out of the picture since he's dead, and even then, he wouldn't fit in the Uchiha base. Same with those gargantuan snakes. So that limits it to the smaller ones that he uses for this fight. Defensively he has shown himself to be capable at using them as shields, but summoning takes a fair bit of chakra. We've already seen this. He could only keep it up for so long. Like his CS2, it would steadily burn away at his reserves and what he has left.
Of course I agree Manda can't be used. I was just using him as an example of Sasuke's summoning capability. We are fighting in the Uchiha village right? This is out doors so gargantuan snakes can be used :D. Though how much chakra would Itachi need to use in order to destroy these snakes?


In truth, with all Sasuke has, Itachi has a counter. Likewise, with the exception of a couple specific techniques and the MS jutsu, Sasuke has a relative counter for everything of his as well. So it comes down to endurance and speed. Speed, Itachi is greater, as you have already agreed to that. So who could last longer? Sasuke has regenerative powers, but do those effect how quickly he replenishes chakra as well? His wounds perhaps, but he would still run out of chakra faster. Itachi is older, and I would imagine has more chakra as well seeing as he likes to use shadow clones and even pumps them up enough to make them explode.
Speed Itachi wins no doubt about it. It may not replenish his chakra at rapid rates though could heal injuries taken to the body. Which would allow Sasuke to continue the fight. Even though Itachi is older Sasuke has combined souls with Orochimaru. Which granted him this healing factor & is not doubt the reason why Sasuke has such a large chakra supply. Itachi is just one body/spirit giving me the impression that Sasuke has more chakra. Yeah throwing kamakaze clones at Sasuke would be awsome. Though Sasuke could lessen the damage by transforming & using snakes to block himself as shown in the fight with Deidara.

Damn Itachi & his superior Taijutsu ability. Your right Itachi would be able to trick Sasuke more often lol. About the Tsukuyomi opening; It looked to me like when Sasuke broke the dojutsu Itachi was hurt as he grabbed his eye. Not leaving much of an opening at all as Itachi was also stunned.

MS vs CS2 and Snakes hmm... which will win in this case. Well one MS dojutsu was already broken by the CS2. The argument then is Sasuke's ability to block Amaterasu using snakes. I think this is possible as he doesn't require hand signs for allot of his snake summonings. We simply don't know how Amaterasu is executed though. So I can only imply that its not laser vision lol.

As you can see I'm running out of things to say on Sasuke's behalf & am pretty much willing to give the debate to you. As pointing out Sasuke's un-known potential, Kishi's fandom, plot-no-jutsu, & current unknown ability would be pure speculation at this point. I gotta say it is a nice debate & I've been having a blast going back & forth with you on this SMFox :)

Okay SMFox, now I get a shot. C'mon! Name your debate!(still possible for me to win, that means no Sasuke vs. Ino for you) XD

Naw way! I can't debate on the side that I know wouldn't win! I just can't do it.

Besides, I said none with obvious answers where I'd lose by default. XP

Let's put it this way: you know me, it's like me debating for Sharingan in a Sharingan vs. Byakuagn debate.

No prob. I've got time...too much...lonely time...'-_-

What about these fights?

1. Kakashi vs. Jiraiya (R.I.P.)

and

2. Nidaime vs. Kisame

What do you think?

Nidaime vs Kisame? Hasn't that been done several times already?

Someone dared to have Kakashi face off against Jiraiya? o_O Jiraiya would curbstomp Kakashi. Hermit Mode is overkill, and won't be needed.

I has a fite!!!

Deidara vs Jiraiya

I'm sure you all think I'm nuts. :p But keep in mind, that this fight is in character. So Dei wouldn't pull out C3/4 at the very start, and Jiraiya wouldn't pull out HM nor Gamabunta at the start either.

Now, knowing Dei, he'll most likely know of Jiraiya's reputation, and take the fight seriously. So he'd quickly head to the skies. Knowing Jiraiya, he'd see he'd need a way to attack Dei from the ground, and Dei is in the air, so he'd eventually bring out a large toad, of Gamabunta himself. If things get rough, I see Jiraiya using Hermit Mode. Now, my question is, which is faster? C4 of frog song genjutsu?

Bunta could always just eat him ^.^
Is Bunta fast enough, though? He's a huge ass toad. He may seem fast against other large bijuu/summons, but Dei, to Bunat, is a spec who flies and is VERY good at evading and attacking at once. He did it against Gaara and his huge arsenal of sand...

Is Bunta fast enough, though? He's a huge ass toad. He may seem fast against other large bijuu/summons, but Dei, to Bunat, is a spec who flies and is VERY good at evading and attacking at once. He did it against Gaara and his huge arsenal of sand... he could always blast him with that water jutsu its kinda big so it might get to him even if hes running fast

he could always blast him with that water jutsu its kinda big so it might get to him even if hes running fastI'd like to think Deidara on his flying bird is faster than a large ball of water. :p

Edit: I saw what you did thar, SMF. :p

I'd like to think Deidara on his flying bird is faster than a large ball of water. :p

Edit: I saw what you did thar, SMF. :p

ohh yea the birds lol mabey the tounge or the sword is freaking huge and he spits fire sometimes so possible:eek:

Right, so if Jiraiya does bring out Bunta, Dei would most likely see his tiny bombs won't do much. So he'd bring out C3 or C4. :O And lord knows only Kyuuby chakra and raiton can withstand those.

dei can always aim for jiraiya but if he goes hermit mode it might be different but i really couldnt tell if it made him stronger in the manga because it just gave him 2 smart toads thats it but i would have a feeling he would loss his arm again

I don't think that Deidara is strong enough to make Jiraiya use Hermit mode. He used it as a last resort against Pein so I think regular Jiraiya could take him on with ease.

who do u think can win neji and his clan or sannin + hokage

i think neji and paps can own

Lol, i dont think there is a reason for that, hokage + sannin would get owned, the Hyuuga clan have an instant death move, and byakugan, ultimate defence, just to say a few.

Neji dont lose becuz he has too many power in his bagelkgun

Neji dont lose becuz he has too many power in his bagelkgun
it depends on which hokage and which sannin because if it were orochimaru and the 1st they would get owned and there is a weakness in the byakugon
orochimaru can summon differnet kages and a giant snake first hokage fought madara and made a dent in him so id say the byakugon team will lose and they said neji is one of their strongest ninjas

do the math :p

Just for the record, Jiraiya did not use Hermit Mode as a last resort against Pein. He began preparations for it almost immediately at the beginning. He even said that said as much to Gamaken, talking about how he would have to get serious and there was no time to play around.

True. Jiraiya knew it would be a tough fight from the start. But if he just would have known Pein's secret he would have kicked his ass so badly that Pein could have used 100 bodies without success.

That's pure speculation on your part Ultimate.

Pein himself said that he wouln't have been able to compete with Jiraiya if he knew the secret from the start. So it's more than just speculation. Perhaps Kishi wanted to make Jiraiya go as a strong hero and that's why he made Pein say it but fact is that he said it.

i think a good fight would of been jiraya vs madara what would be an interesting fight or
naruto & saskue v pein & madara

Indeed, Pein did say that, but you are misquoting it. Pein did not say Jiraiya would WTF PWN him. He said he would not have been able to defeat him. That does not in any way support the topic at hand that you were arguing for. It could very well have still been a close fight even had he known the secret.

A close fight. True, but you said it yourself: Pein said he would not have been able to defeat him if Jiraiya new his secret. So if he couln't have won what do you think woud have happened? A draw? I don't think so. And the only possibility I see is that Jiraiya would have killed Pein, taking serious damage however. But he wouldn't have died.

Lol, i dont think there is a reason for that, hokage + sannin would get owned, the Hyuuga clan have an instant death move, and byakugan, ultimate defence, just to say a few.
Sannin and hokage would get owned by who? The hyuuga clan? Are you nuts? Theres no need to argue that cuz its your opinion, but Jiyaiya and any other hokage would murder the whole clan.
Neji dont lose becuz he has too many power in his bagelkgun
Sorry but neji is crap. He's not even on gai's level.
Just for the record, Jiraiya did not use Hermit Mode as a last resort against Pein. He began preparations for it almost immediately at the beginning. He even said that said as much to Gamaken, talking about how he would have to get serious and there was no time to play around.

Well he said that he would have to get serious since he was told that he was about to face a man that beat Hanzou alone including his family and friends. But it doesn't indicate that he planned in using Hermit mode from the begining. That's speculation cuz it doesn't state it anywhere.

i think a good fight would of been jiraya vs madara what would be an interesting fight or
naruto & saskue v pein & madara
I don't know what Madara can do in battle, other than phasing through attacks, so having him in this fight is unfair, since he can just stand there and phase through everything. And Pain, well, we've only seen what two bodies can do.

Anyway, I have a fight: Post time skip Sasuke vs Tsunade.

lol, I think sasuke's genjutsu is enough, and a bit of chidori, and tsunade uses her regeneration seal and consumes herself a bit and still loses :( So unfair T^T

I wouldn't say it's totally unfair. :p Sasuke is high Jounin level, while Tsunade is a Hokage. While she's no combat specialist, she did drive Orochimaru away during the Sannin battle. She did so with ONE punch. Katsuya could also play a role in this fight, since Sasuke no longer has Manda. Also, this is Tsunade we're talking about. She's very experienced and a Hokage, are we going to assume she doesn't know what a skilled Uchiha can't do with his eyes? :p

well, her experience is her best move in the fight, coz strength didn't help her much against kabuto, especially that he was a medical ninja and she should know best how medical ninjas fight since she's one too. But against sasuke, she'll need to do something against his speed or else she's lost. If she can paralyze him or whatever jutsu was that thing that messes your sense, and if he can't figure out how to move like kabuto did, then she could have a chance.

yah, plus the poison from katsuyu who can transform in lots of bunshins and catch Sasuke off guard.

naruto & saskue vs. pein & madara
umm yeah... pure speculation but as of right now Pein/Madara win without much effort.


Sasuke vs Tsunade
Sasuke wins this with his superior speed, genjutsu, CS transformations, jutsu ability, & of course sharingan. Tsunade wouldn't be able to land a single blow on Sasuke.

Edit: o yeah Sasuke could also use his genjutsu on Tsunades giant slug & have it attack her.

well, her experience is her best move in the fightNot entirely. Her healing will help her also, as well as her strength.

coz strength didn't help her much against kabutoYou do realise she was very rusty during that fight, and he took advantage of her old fear, right? If she didn't have that fear, and wasn't super rusty, she would have knocked his socks off.


But against sasuke, she'll need to do something against his speed or else she's lost.I'm fairly sure she's encountered fast ninjas. It'd be ridiculous to think someone with her experiences wouldn't.

If she can paralyze him or whatever jutsu was that thing that messes your sense, and if he can't figure out how to move like kabuto did, then she could have a chance.She knows that Sasuke killed Orochimaru, so she knows not to take Sasuke lightly. I'm sure she'd look for, and find an opening to disrupt his nerves, then one punch and he's out.

yah, plus the poison from katsuyu who can transform in lots of bunshins and catch Sasuke off guard.:D


Sasuke vs Tsunade
Sasuke wins this with his superior speedSpeed isn't everything in a battle.

genjutsuAs if she wouldn't know how to deal with genjutsu. :p

CS transformationsThat won't save him from getting the shit knocked out of him with one punch.

jutsu abilitySnakes and Chidori variations? Yes, snakes certainly came in handy against a rusty Tsunade. >.> Chidori would be troublesome, though.

& of course sharingan.The only advantage his Sharingan would give Sasuke against Tsunade is predicting movements. I'm counting on Tsunade's experience to overcome this.

Tsunade wouldn't be able to land a single blow on Sasuke.Please, a near dead Orochimaru almost took Sasuke's life and body. I'm sure Tsunade can do better.

Edit: o yeah Sasuke could also use his genjutsu on Tsunades giant slug & have it attack her.Sasuke genjutsu'd Manda, that doesn't mean he'd be able to do the same to every other summon. Snakes and slugs are different, also, when have we seen Sasuke use genjutsu on a boss summon so it turns against their summoner? Never.

& the hate continues seriously man Tsunade got punked by Kabuto. Now before you mention the blood fear issue notice he did not cut himself until Jiraya showed up. Also Kabuto was not allowed to kill Tsunade. Kabuto was scared of Sasuke even before he killed Orochimaru. To say that someone like Tsunade who isn't even the best Konoha ninja(my opinion) could beat current Sasuke is laughable at best. Sharingan(madara's anyway) was strong enough to tame Kyuubi. Sasuke himself bitched Manda with his own genjutsu. Manda was clearly the dominant summon in the sannin battle.

& the hate continuesWhat are you talking about?

seriously man Tsunade got punked by Kabuto.We know why she got punked by Kabuto. ;) Did you not see the fight? Rusty, had a fear of blood, etc.

Now before you mention the blood fear issue notice he did not cut himself until Jiraya showed up.And?

Also Kabuto was not allowed to kill Tsunade.He couldn't kill her even if he wanted to. Orochimaru and his sword couldn't kill her, what makes you think someone inferior could?

Kabuto was scared of Sasuke even before he killed Orochimaru.Show me where Kabuto was seen in fear for his life against Sasuke, or where he states that he's scared of Sasuke.

To say that someone like Tsunade who isn't even the best Konoha ninja(my opinion)Your opinion doesn't count, obviously, since she's Hokage, and no one else is. :p Hokages are the ninjas best suited for the job, and to protect the village.

could beat current Sasuke is laughable at best.Some of the things you say are laughable also lol.

Sharingan(madara's anyway) was strong enough to tame Kyuubi.His Sharingan was strong enough to control it. Not just tame it.

Sasuke himself bitched Manda with his own genjutsu.Which shows Manda obviously had a weakness to Sharingan genjutsu, or that he was blindsided by Sasuke.

Manda was clearly the dominant summon in the sannin battle.Right, so dominant that Tsunade herself drove Gamabunta's dagger straight through Manda's big mouth. :p Manda, the dominant one, who couldn't even put the squeeze on Tatsuya. Or wait he did, and it was ineffective.

Not entirely. Her healing will help her also, as well as her strength.
that is, if she has time for it. if she puts sasuke down for a moment to get time to heal or else she has no chances.

You do realise she was very rusty during that fight, and he took advantage of her old fear, right? If she didn't have that fear, and wasn't super rusty, she would have knocked his socks off.
I know that, but I have seen sasuke "thinking" in battles more than she did (and that's coz I haven't seen much of her battles doooh). He can figure stuff out. But I hope she's smart too, but she didn't get a chance to show it.

I'm fairly sure she's encountered fast ninjas. It'd be ridiculous to think someone with her experiences wouldn't.
fair enough, it's the experience I was talking about in the previous post. That's her thing.

She knows that Sasuke killed Orochimaru, so she knows not to take Sasuke lightly. I'm sure she'd look for, and find an opening to disrupt his nerves, then one punch and he's out.

:D


I wonder if sasuke can pull some genjutsu that would give her scare feelings and make her paranoid again. x_X
that would be *instant I win no jutsu*

I see a potential debate and will enter on Tsunade's side when the time comes. For now, Mikey seems to have it covered and is getting points across better. :D

that is, if she has time for it. if she puts sasuke down for a moment to get time to heal or else she has no chances.I don't see why she wouldn't have the time to heal. In most fights, even those involved with speed demons, there's lots of talking and staring. :p

I know that, but I have seen sasuke "thinking" in battles more than she did (and that's coz I haven't seen much of her battles doooh). He can figure stuff out. But I hope she's smart too, but she didn't get a chance to show it.Yeah, but Sasuke's been involved in 1 on 1 fights, the one fight Tsunade was in, she didn't have too much time, or many opportunities to think.

fair enough, it's the experience I was talking about in the previous post. That's her thing.Indeed.

I wonder if sasuke can pull some genjutsu that would give her scare feelings and make her paranoid again. x_X
that would be *instant I win no jutsu*You think she wouldn't be able to notice that she's in genjutsu? :p I'm starting to think Sasuke (in this fight) is overrated.

Sasukes smart, but not medical smart, and if Tsunade messed up his nervous system he's screwed. Lol, people make it seem like Tsunade is helpless, and Kabuto is a pretty high rank if you think about it, probably as smart or smarter than Shika, as I've seen, he's a tactical fighter, and quick witted unlike Shika who takes like 5-10 min, but his solutions always work.

I say that Tsunade could break any genjutsu that Sasuke throws, and didn't she deflect Naruto's rasengan with one finger? That says a lot even though Naruto didn't develop it yet. Chidori might be able to do some damage, but oh wait...Tsunades a medical ninja! The most 1337 medical ninja you could probably have, and probably has some instant cure/heal technique, who knows? And her knowledge of anatomoy and nervous system is a plus.

I just say that everone thinks Tsunade is useless, she's pretty good if you ask me...(anti-aging technique...wtf 1337ness...)

I don't see why she wouldn't have the time to heal. In most fights, even those involved with speed demons, there's lots of talking and staring. :p
well if you include the staring part then I accept it that she has time to heal :P Probably include a jaw of sasuke's somewhere at the ground level?

Yeah, but Sasuke's been involved in 1 on 1 fights, the one fight Tsunade was in, she didn't have too much time, or many opportunities to think.
well if she didn't have time to think then it means she can handle a fight with a crazy speed sasuke, if she that's spontaneous.

You think she wouldn't be able to notice that she's in genjutsu? :p I'm starting to think Sasuke (in this fight) is overrated.
*agrees that sasuke is overrated* :P
actually yah, now that you mention it, as long as she notices she's in the genjutsu, and with her crazy chakra control, she can easily disrupt her chakra flow. That's not match for any genjutsu. :P

What are you talking about?

We know why she got punked by Kabuto. ;) Did you not see the fight? Rusty, had a fear of blood, etc.
What else can we compare her with besides this fight. You can call her rusty all you want mikey it really doesn't matter. The point is Kabuto had opportunities to kill Tsunade before Jiraiya got there but wasn't allowed to because Orochimaru needed her to heal his arms. I don't feel like looking up pictures of this because I'm drunk but thats a different story.

And?
And Kabuto was winning that fight before Jiraiya came. Kabuto kicked Tsunades ass without cutting himself to show blood.
He couldn't kill her even if he wanted to. Orochimaru and his sword couldn't kill her, what makes you think someone inferior could?
I disagree Kabuto was able to dodge her attacks & counter by striking her. All before he used blood.

Show me where Kabuto was seen in fear for his life against Sasuke, or where he states that he's scared of Sasuke.
Maybe tomorrow but right now I'm drunk :p

Your opinion doesn't count, obviously, since she's Hokage, and no one else is. :p Hokages are the ninjas best suited for the job, and to protect the village.
Tsunade is hokage based on a reputation Jiraiya & Orochimaru built. When Jiraiya went to search for Tsunade she was a drunken gambler.Do you honestly think at that time she would be most qualifiedly to lead Konoha? Sorry but I disagree; she gained the title because of the sannins reputation not because of her actual ability as a ninja.

Some of the things you say are laughable also lol.
Fair enough hehehe:rolleyes:


His Sharingan was strong enough to control it. Not just tame it.
This just gives more credibility to my theory.

Which shows Manda obviously had a weakness to Sharingan genjutsu, or that he was blindsided by Sasuke.
Not necessarily a weakness. Sharingan in itself is uber pwnage. I thought you learned that by now from reading the manga.

Right, so dominant that Tsunade herself drove Gamabunta's dagger straight through Manda's big mouth. :p Manda, the dominant one, who couldn't even put the squeeze on Tatsuya. Or wait he did, and it was ineffective.
Yeah Tsunade hit Manda & not the summons. I was comparing the summons strength not comparing them to Tsunade. Manda was pwning bunta & tatsuya before Tsunade drove buntas sword into him.

Edit: mind whatever typos & rants I mite have made in this post it's 12:30am & I'm drunk as hell so I apologize.

Edit: mind whatever typos & rants I mite have made in this post it's 12:30am & I'm drunk as hell so I apologize.

lol :cool:

well can agree with many thing and disagree with many as well, however if we shall rank our powerful ninjas, I think the ranking would look like this:

1. genius ninjas (uchia brothers) and the ones who obtained most powerful jutsus which aren't revealed yet (as we know if enemy knows your strategy structure of your fight, then he can easily defeat you, whoever Pain seems a guy which knows secret without what only ubnormal ninja with genius talent and super skills can defeat him)

2. most powerful fighters and ninjas which are the most experienced and talented ones, with some secrets, like: Kakashi, Pein, Oro, j-man of course there is/was difference between their powers, but still they seems to be more or less in one cyrcle.

3. ninjas with potential there are a lot of them

now about Naruto he seems to be between in 2/3 ranks, but if he learns how to control kyuubi's powers then he will be unbeatable. however he just can't do that so easily i believe he should learn smth. very powerful thing which would rank him with one more step.

And now I can come in.

What else can we compare her with besides this fight. You can call her rusty all you want mikey it really doesn't matter. The point is Kabuto had opportunities to kill Tsunade before Jiraiya got there but wasn't allowed to because Orochimaru needed her to heal his arms. I don't feel like looking up pictures of this because I'm drunk but thats a different story.

We can go by how she was when she kicked Oro's ass as opposed to Kabuto's. This is between Tsunade and Susuke, and Sasuke does not know the medical ninjutsu Kabuto had, which was all he had on her because she was rusty as hell, and even then she still fought. The only reason he didn't die was his medical knowledge so he figured how to still move after that. If Tsunade hits Sasuke with anythign similar to that, he has no way to counteract it. He would be dead.
And Kabuto was winning that fight before Jiraiya came. Kabuto kicked Tsunades ass without cutting himself to show blood.

She was going to kill him, and she only stopped when he cut himself and splashed it on her. She was kicking his ass, while he was barely dodging.
Tsunade is hokage based on a reputation Jiraiya & Orochimaru built. When Jiraiya went to search for Tsunade she was a drunken gambler.Do you honestly think at that time she would be most qualifiedly to lead Konoha? Sorry but I disagree; she gained the title because of the sannins reputation not because of her actual ability as a ninja.

God, I know you were drunk, but god. She was one of the Sannin, she helped build the reputation. It was definitely not Oro and Jiraiya. Hell, at the exact same time, Jiraiya was offered the spot first, but he was also a drinker, and was a pervert who spied on girls. At that time, you wouldn't think he was any more qualified than Tsunade, yet he was offered. Also, to build a reputation, you have to be good. There's no way she was just the Sakura (pre TS) of the group. She was a very skilled medical ninja, and a very powerful taijutsu user. The three sannin built their reputatuion together.
This just gives more credibility to my theory.

Actually, it just shows that you can't compare Sasuke's Sharingan to Madara's, thus Madara being able to do that doesn't matter as it's an ability Sasuke doesn't have.
Not necessarily a weakness. Sharingan in itself is uber pwnage. I thought you learned that by now from reading the manga.

Maybe so, but Byakugan is better. :D
Seriously though, the time between Sasuke summoning Manda, catching him in genjutsu, and the explosion was so quick, it would support a just summoned Manda being blindsided without time to react.
Yeah Tsunade hit Manda & not the summons. I was comparing the summons strength not comparing them to Tsunade. Manda was pwning bunta & tatsuya before Tsunade drove buntas sword into him.

Manda was not pwning Bunta and Tatsuya, He didn't do anything to Tatsuya besides wrap around her, which proved useless, and Bunta, if I remember right, was on fairly even footing with Manda, besides, it wasn'ta very long fight before Tsunade skewered Manda. Also, why were you comparing summons strength? It's between Tsunade and Sasuke. Manda was the strongest snake summon, and Sasuek can't summon him anymore because he's dead That pretty much closes the case, unless you want to bring in the only other giant snake we know of, the one Jiraya buried in a swamp pit.

this is between Tsunade and Sasuke, and if Sasuke gets any kind of hit from Tsunade, he's going to be down or severely weakened. All she needs is one hit to an arm, and he's got no ninjutsu, and loses any genjutsu that require handsigns, ne to a lag, and he's out of motion, and one to the head or body, and his organs are toast, and let's not forget the massive strength. she could shatter bones and disable him that way by hitting those points as well. Hell, she could, if she disabled him completely, even take his eyes. That would be awesome and even worse than killing him.

well here is my fight
Jiraiya(with HM) VS kakashi (with ms) and Gai (with gates opens)

If Gai and Kakashi, as you said are constanly using those, and don't actually suffer the fatigue of them (since such a battle would go for a bit of time) then they would win hands down. However, if actual Narutoverse rules apply, Jiraiya would probably be able to avoid Gai until the gates wore off, and stay moving so Kakashi couldn't get a lock on, eventually the fatigue would be enough to slow him and Gai down considerably, making them no problem for Jiraiya, especially in hermit mode.

Jiraiya(with HM) VS kakashi (with ms) and Gai (with gates opens)

Kakashi can use lighting, water, & earth element jutsu while Jiraiya can use fire & earth element jutsu. Lighting beats earth & water beats fire giving Kakashi the edge in elemental jutsu.

Looking at Genjutsu I'd say Jiraiya has the advantage here. Jiraiya knows methods of breaking genjutsu & also has a very deadly sound genjutsu.

Comparing Taijutsu its hard to say if Gai would be stronger then Jiraiya if he used all 8 gates. Gai had to use 6 gates just beat a 30% Kisame. I personally think hermit mode would be enough to handle at least 6 gates if not more. So I'm going to put them equal at 7 gates with Gai having a slight advantage at 8. Feel free to disagree with me. Kakashi is obviously 3rd here even with his Sharingan.

Comparing jutsu each fighter knows Jiraiya would be strongest in this department. With hair manipulation, toad style jutsu(ex:summoning, Ma/Pa combos, toad stomach...), barriers, seal tecs, rasengan & it's variations as some examples he's definitely a force to be reckoned with. Kakashi knows over "1000" jutsu but doesn't have the chakra capacity execute jutsu continuously without showing chakra fatigue. His MS takes time to charge as well as execute. Gai summons turtles & mainly uses taijutsu. Not much I can say about him here.

The Fight
Narrator: Jiraiya is taking a peak into Tsunades private sauna when he's drop kicked by Gai. Jiraiya flies several 100 feet & crashes into some trees.

Kakashi: Gai you didn't even bother to identify the peeping tom before kicking him half way into the forest...

Narrator: Kakashi & Gai go to where Jiraiya landed.

Jiraiya: ... !#@$# huu... who.. the...

Narrator: Jiraiya gives Kakashi & Gai the evil stare.

Kakashi: aahhh master Jiraiya allow me to apologize on Gais..

Jiraiya: you... dare... you dare interrupt my research..

Narrator: Jiraiya starts off by manipulating his hair to attack Kakashi & Gai. Kakashi jumps back while Gai slides by the hair & moves in on Jiraiya. Gai gets close to Jiraiya & tries to do a spinning round house kick. Jiraiya blocks with his hair grabs Gai's leg & tosses him into the air. Jiraiya then creates a faton jutsu & launches it at Kakashi. Kakashi responds with a suiton & over powers Jiraiyas jutsu. Jiraiya blocks the water with his hair. Gai recovers mid air & lands next to Kakashi.

Kakashi: Gai this isn't working we need to come up with some sort of strategy here.

Gai: Tell me about it Kakashi the best I could do is get tossed into the air while all you could do was wet his hair...

Kakashi: Ok this is what we're going to do... *whisper.... whisper... whisper...*

Jiraiya: Are you two done formulating a battle strategy I don't have all day here.

Kakashi: Yeah we're done. Suiryuudan no Jutsu!!!

Narrator: Jiraiya jumps into the air to avoid the water dragon. Gai actives 5 gates & gets above Jiraiya. Gai drop kicks Jiraiya hard into the ground though Jiraiya is able to block some of the damage using his hair. Kakashi creates two Raikiri & puts his hands into the water created from the water dragon. Kakashi's Raikiri flows threw the water electrocuting Jiraiya.

Jiraiya: AAAHHHH!!!!

Gai: I think we got him!!!

Kakashi: Not yet.... get ready Gai.

Jiraiya: HeheheHaha.... you cleaver little brats.... now it's my turn! Summoning Jutsu!!!

Narrator: Gamaken appears.

Gai: O shit...

Kakashi: Gai plan B.

Gai: Right

Narrator: Kakashi goes underground while Gai goes 6 Gates. Gai moves around the forest quickly dodging & evading Gamakens attacks. Gai launches a flying jump kick. Gamaken blocks the attack but is knocked back. Gai throws a hard punch into Gamaken's gut knocking him back some more. Kakashi jumps out of the ground with MS activated while Gai jumps back. Kakashi actives his MS ability around Gamaken. Jiraiya jumps off Gamaken before the jutsu is completed.

Jiraiya: WTF WTF!!!! #&$$!! WTF did you do to my toad you little shit!!! Hermit Mode!!!

Kakashi: O shit...

Narrator: Gai charges at Jiraiya. Jiraiya moves out of the way & kicks Gai hard in the back sending him flying. Jiraiya disappears from Kakashi's line of sight & reappears behind Kakashi. Jiraiya knocks Kakashi hard in the back sending him flying. While Kakashi in unable to recover right away Jiraiya uses Hermits deep fryer killing Kakashi. Gai comes back to late to save his rival.

Gai: Jiraiya how could you.... ARRHHH!!!! 7th Gate Open!!!!!

Narrator: Jiraiya & Gai go back & forth in Taijutsu. Both landing hits & blocking hits. Gai charges in & uses Morning Peacock on Jiraiya landing some good damage on him. Both fighters are breathing heavily. Gai again charges at Jiraiya. Jiraiya uses ultimate rasengan on Gai. Gai has his hands on this massitive jutsu & is getting over powered by it. Gai plays his final trump the 8th gate. Gai is able to survive the blast.

Jiraiya: This kid just won't quit... It's to bad Gai that you won't be able to kill me with the sacrifice you just made.

Gai: I may die here today but mark my words Jiraiya I will be taking you with me!!

Jiraiya: Ma/Pa are you ready?

Ma/Pa: right lets do it.

Narrator: Ma/Pa start to sing. Gai charges at Jiraiya to throw one final all out punch. Jiraiya moves back to allow time for Ma/Pa's song. Gai stops with his fist in front of Jiraiya's face. Gai is caught by the songs genjutsu!!! The genjutsu's affect takes place leaving Gai impaled.

The End

I would probably give this one to Kakashi and Gai. Yeah, Hermit mode is powerful and gives Jiraiya more strength in more than one area, but I think the team work of Konoha's top two Jounin could back each other up for whatever attack Jiraiya tries to throw at them. While Jiraiya might be able to dodge Gai's Gates(I doubt he can, seeing how fast Gai is in his gates form), Kakashi will be able to use the jutsus at his disposle, and while Jiraiya is trying to dodge all this, i doubt he would be able to do much with Gai right on his trail.:cool:

I would probably give this one to Kakashi and Gai. Yeah, Hermit mode is powerful and gives Jiraiya more strength in more than one area, but I think the team work of Konoha's top two Jounin could back each other up for whatever attack Jiraiya tries to throw at them. While Jiraiya might be able to dodge Gai's Gates(I doubt he can, seeing how fast Gai is in his gates form), Kakashi will be able to use the jutsus at his disposle, and while Jiraiya is trying to dodge all this, i doubt he would be able to do much with Gai right on his trail.:cool:
Not so sure about that. Gai had to use 6 gates to beat a 30% Kisame. I doubt Jiraiya would have that much trouble with a 30% clone in all honesty.

In the end there really isn't much either opponent could do against the toad song. Considering the amount of chakra Pein must have when compared to everyone but Naruto. I doubt even Gai at 8 gates would be powerful enough to brake this genjutsu. As for Kakashi sharingan focuses on eye genjutsu while the toad song is sound. Kakashi (as well as Sasuke & Itachi for that matter) would not be able to resist it in my opinion.

Oh, oh, I has a fight!

Yondaime vs Orochimaru (with Edo Tensei and Manda, and able to summon Shodaime, Nidaime, and Kimimaro since we're using Yondaime here lol) & Jiraiya (with Hermit Mode).

Oh, oh, I has a fight!

Yondaime vs Orochimaru (with Edo Tensei and Manda, and able to summon Shodaime, Nidaime, and Kimimaro since we're using Yondaime here lol) & Jiraiya (with Hermit Mode).

Yondaime would win, but Jiraiya being his sensei may know a way to defeat his teleportation? Yondy would just have to keep looking for an opening.

You don't think Edo Tensei would pose a rather large problem for Yondaime, being that the bodies Oro summons won't go away by simply killing them?

Also, I'd laugh if Oro summoned Manda before using Edo Tensei, and Jiraiya beats Yondaime to summoning Gamabunta! XD

Yondaime vs Orochimaru (Edo Tensei Summons: Shodi, Nidai, Kimi; Manda alive at 100%health) & Jiraiya (Full Power).

Ummm.. yeah Jiraiya & Orochimaru know Yondaime's jutsu right? Yondaime can only teleport between the special kuni's right? So an intelligent warrior could keep an eye on these daggers positioning around the battle field right? Meaning they'd know where he'd teleport next because of the dagger positions. So wouldn't this also make Yondaime's speed predictable to very skilled warrior? & Could they also destroy some of the daggers to prevent Yondaime from porting through them? With that said now this is just theory sense really we don't know much about Yondaime Oro & J-Man win.. yeah I said it :cool:

Ok first of all what the fuk kind of fight is oro and those guys vs yondaime you have no knowledge of yondaimes skills at all.

But really yondaime would win can i tell you how oro has no knowledge of yondaimes jutsu sinc ehe left the village he didn't even know about death god which everyone else seemed to know about,

Second his speed by suhinn alone will destroy them because he won't let orochimaru summon anything it will be instant all he does is throw a kunai and done or use sushinn and done.

Sorry kids but yondaime will fukign rip oro nidaime jiraiya and kimimaru oh wait oro wouldn't be able to summon them soo to bad lol.

Either way yondaime wins speed beats anything what you can't catch you can't hit.

Ok first of all what the fuk kind of fight is oro and those guys vs yondaime you have no knowledge of yondaimes skills at all.
I didn't make the fight Nami your boy Mikey did.

But really yondaime would win can i tell you how oro has no knowledge of yondaimes jutsu sinc ehe left the village he didn't even know about death god which everyone else seemed to know about,
Everyone would know about how Yondaime fights he was legend. Jiraiya would because he's his teacher & Oro would know because he's from Konoha.

Second his speed by suhinn alone will destroy them because he won't let orochimaru summon anything it will be instant all he does is throw a kunai and done or use sushinn and done.You don't know that about his normal suhinn period Nami. Yondaimes fastest tec involves "Hiraishin transportation markers". It's called predicting the port Nami by keeping an eye on the markers.

Sorry kids but yondaime will fukign rip oro nidaime jiraiya and kimimaru oh wait oro wouldn't be able to summon them soo to bad lol.

Either way yondaime wins speed beats anything what you can't catch you can't hit.
Thats pure speculation Nami. BTW how old are you anyway? I'm sure both me & Mikey are older then you. Also you should stop copying me because we both know I'm the one who calls you kid Nami. Yondaime's fastest speeds are predictable by markers. These markers can also be destroyed. Limiting Yondaimes movements. When this tec was used Yondaime had 4 other ninja throw the markers for him.

I didn't make the fight Nami your boy Mikey did.
Did i say it was you no i didn't stop assuming things.

Everyone would know about how Yondaime fights he was legend. Jiraiya would because he's his teacher & Oro would know because he's from Konoha.
Really lmaoo watch this sarutobi" i am going to show you a ninjutsu that you do not know" lol yes oro had no clue of death but why not yondaime was a legend everyone else knew of death god in konoha yep so sorry manga says otherwise V. Oro didn't know till sarutobi told him.

You don't know that about his normal suhinn period Nami.Yet the manga shows otherwise his gift was speed all kages had something unqiue his was lighting speed his nick name is the flash you saw kakashi gaiden one moment he was putting his back on but really that was a reflection and he was behind the ninja even the rock nin was like wtf he was just.. Yondaimes fastest tec involves "Hiraishin transportation markers". It's called predicting the port Nami by keeping an eye on the markers.You really have no clue how the jutsu works do you. He takes a kunai and wraps up a seal member when he gave on to kakashi as soon as kakshi threw it AND MISSED yondaime was still able to get it and kill that loser. Yondaime" just throw the kunai's anywhere in the open" those were his words to the konoha army right before he took out the rock nin army.


Thats pure speculation Nami.What is pure specualtion he is faster then anyone in the manga thus far he can easily muder oro before he even forms the first seal and oro's seals weren't fast ever nor has he ever shown any speed in sealing yondaime can get to him easily and you know it. BTW how old are you anyway?Younger then you lol 18. I'm sure both me & Mikey are older then you.yep he is and so are you. Also you should stop copying me because we both know I'm the one who calls you kid Nami.Actaully i use that term way before you ask mikey but i don't use it like kid you are little or something i just used it like a term for bro or something else so ease up. Yondaime's fastest speeds are predictable by markers. These markers can also be destroyed. Yeah i suppose he aslo set up a marker in the rock nins ass the one were kakshi almost got killed by right being miles away he randomly knew the place kakshi would use the kunai so he went their over night and put a marker yeah surreee. Limiting Yondaimes movements. When this tec was used Yondaime had 4 other ninja throw the markers for him.Ok here it is.

He takes a kunai and it has a wrap around it a seal when kakashi first through he just appeared from nowhere and used it btw kakashi fuking missed on that throw.

Then he said" throw those kunai's out in the open at the enemy" konoha nin" are you crazyy or serious" other guy" shut up we are about to see why this man is called konoha's YELLOW FLASHHHH.

Did i say it was you no i didn't stop assuming things.

Really lmaoo watch this sarutobi" i am going to show you a ninjutsu that you do not know" lol yes oro had no clue of death but why not yondaime was a legend everyone else knew of death god in konoha yep so sorry manga says otherwise V. Oro didn't know till sarutobi told him.
What was Minato's nick name again??? hhmmm.... Konoha's Yellow Flash? Related to his Hiraishin. He became famous off this jutsu. Minato used it openly in large scale battle fields. I mean really Nami who wouldn't know about this. Its the only thing Minato has really used in the manga against a huge number of opponents. Minato was made legend because of his bread & butter. Which was the Hiraishin teleportation method. This is why he's called Yellow Flash.


Yet the manga shows otherwise his gift was speed all kages had something unqiue his was lighting speed his nick name is the flash you saw kakashi gaiden one moment he was putting his back on but really that was a reflection and he was behind the ninja even the rock nin was like wtf he was just.. You really have no clue how the jutsu works do you. He takes a kunai and wraps up a seal member when he gave on to kakashi as soon as kakshi threw it AND MISSED yondaime was still able to get it and kill that loser. Yondaime" just throw the kunai's anywhere in the open" those were his words to the konoha army right before he took out the rock nin army.
Ok again with the rant I explained his nick name already not repeating it. The only people we've seen Minato fight were average ninja not a master like Jiraiya & Orochimaru. So comparing his speed to the speed of lesser ninja is not a good example. I've explained how it works Nami you seem to be misinterpreting Minato's actual speed & Hiraishin ability. Minato teleports between daggers get that into your head already.

What is pure specualtion he is faster then anyone in the manga thus far he can easily muder oro before he even forms the first seal and oro's seals weren't fast ever nor has he ever shown any speed in sealing yondaime can get to him easily and you know it. Younger then you lol 18. yep he is and so are you.Actaully i use that term way before you ask mikey but i don't use it like kid you are little or something i just used it like a term for bro or something else so ease up. Yeah i suppose he aslo set up a marker in the rock nins ass the one were kakshi almost got killed by right being miles away he randomly knew the place kakshi would use the kunai so he went their over night and put a marker yeah surreee. Ok here it is.
Not true Minatos Hiraishin teleportation is what makes him so fast not Minato's speed himself. Hiraishin is predictable because he needs to teleport using the markers. I'm 24 not 18 kid :) Your ranting is actually quite funny now. I can't believe I let you piss me off before. You're so cute Nami :D


He takes a kunai and it has a wrap around it a seal when kakashi first through he just appeared from nowhere and used it btw kakashi fuking missed on that throw.

Then he said" throw those kunai's out in the open at the enemy" konoha nin" are you crazyy or serious" other guy" shut up we are about to see why this man is called konoha's YELLOW FLASHHHH.
More ranting can you not agree that Minato needs the markers in order to use Hiraishin?

Nami, as I said, Oro used Edo Tensei, and he had those ninjas. Also, how exactly would Minato know of Edo Tensei? You're assuming that Minato would tear Oro apart before using Edo Tensei, but there was nothing leading us to believe Yondaime knew of this technique.

Mikey back me up here you made this stupid fight lol. Or did you just want to have Minato pwn the two Sannin? Help me destroy Hiraishin Minatos unbeatable tec. :p

Mikey back me up here you made this stupid fight lol. Or did you just want to have Minato pwn the two Sannin?
No, I specifically made this fight to illustrate that Yondaime isn't invincible. He can be beaten if you use the right shinobi.

What was Minato's nick name again??? hhmmm.... Konoha's Yellow Flash? Related to his Hiraishin. He became famous off this jutsu. Minato used it openly in large scale battle fields. I mean really Nami who wouldn't know about this. Its the only thing Minato has really used in the manga against a huge number of opponents. Minato was made legend because of his bread & butter. Which was the Hiraishin teleportation method. This is why he's called Yellow Flash.



Ok again with the rant I explained his nick name already not repeating it. The only people we've seen Minato fight were average ninja not a master like Jiraiya & Orochimaru. So comparing his speed to the speed of lesser ninja is not a good example. I've explained how it works Nami you seem to be misinterpreting Minato's actual speed & Hiraishin ability. Minato teleports between daggers get that into your head already.


Not true Minatos Hiraishin teleportation is what makes him so fast not Minato's speed himself. Hiraishin is predictable because he needs to teleport using the markers. I'm 24 not 18 kid :) Your ranting is actually quite funny now. I can't believe I let you piss me off before. You're so cute Nami :D



More ranting can you not agree that Minato needs the markers in order to use Hiraishin?

Omfggg can you please listen Minato's hirashinn is a kunai with a seal on it he uses those by throwing them were ever he wants and instantly appears.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/244/16/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/242/04-05/

Read both you can't see use glasses since the letters are tiny in the second one i saw them fine you should too.

Anyways his sushinn is still there even if he got the nickname from hirashin sushinn is as well his strong point too my point is he doesn't need to set up markers anywhere ok they are on the kunai all you do i chuck them out in the open and were they are he appears.

Same here he doesn't even need hirashin his sushinn is fast enough to kill oro before he can use any seals if you would like i can post other links that prove i am right.

Fact is fact he is start fast for oro to even start summoning you can take it anyway you want but the fact cannot be erased his speed is by far the fastest in the manga just with sushinn alone and on top of that hirashinn.

Good day.

As for your age wow you must feel special you older by 6 years how COOOLLLLL would you like a biscuit.

@Mikey yes i know why you did it but you failed rofll j/p it's that i got in to it and we all know were yondaime stands in my book.

also mikey how could he know hmm lets see all 3 kages on that field that day knew what edo tensei was i am sure a guy like minato who surpassed them all in skill and genius and created something like death god would know of it hell that stupid low class anbu knew anything else you would liek to try and say.

How did I fail? You've yet to show us how Yondaime would deal with Edo Tensei, let alone Jiraiya's Hermit Mode frog song, which is an automatic win for J and O.

Edit: Nami, that's a lovely assumption. Unfortunetely, it's invalid, since you really have nothing to back it up. We're talking about Yondaime, no one else. Until Kishi shows Yondaime knew of Edo Tensei, in this fight, he doesn't know of it.

How did I fail? You've yet to show us how Yondaime would deal with Edo Tensei, let alone Jiraiya's Hermit Mode frog song, which is an automatic win for J and O.

Yo don't get me started i already ssaid his speed is more then enough i almost done here i won't stay in a deabte were 2 guys fail to accept that they lost.

WHat you think minato would sit scratching his ass and let oro use jutsu he fuking clobbered that rock nin who was spying why would he not do the same in a actaul fight. even if he doesn't know about edo tensei which is fact he knows if some low class anbu who is the hokages bitch knows he knows still even if he doesn't read this upper line. he wouldn't be sitting scratching his ass. you assume he wiill let oro summon them gtfo with that he killed that loser rock nin for jutsu looking at them he would oliterate oro.

Think all you want hell take his side yondaime is to fast for oro to use anything thats fact.

Yo don't get me started i already ssaid his speed is more then enough i almost done here i won't stay in a deabte were 2 guys fail to accept that they lost.I've failed to realise that I've lost as much as you've proven that Yondaime could beat both Oro and Jiraiya under the stated stipulations. You haven't. You're just talking about his speed, and that's it. Speed isn't the end all of every fight. If it were, then Oro and Jiraiya would never have been legendary.

WHat you think minato would sit scratching his ass and let oro use jutsu he fuking clobbered that rock nin who was spying why would he not do the same in a actaul fight.Because Yondaime was with a small group of children? Yeah.

Think all you want hell take his side yondaime is to fast for oro to use anything thats fact.Again, still not proving Yondaime can win. This is you:

Lm0o0o0o0 omg yondaime would win his speed his speed his speeed omng he knows it all he knows omg yondaime speed /orgasm

:p

Edit: Also, Nami, no one is holding your hand to debate here. If you can't prove something, then there's really no need to get childish about things and say you won't participate because we failed to see we lost, when we haven't.

Omfggg can you please listen Minato's hirashinn is a kunai with a seal on it he uses those by throwing them were ever he wants and instantly appears.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/244/16/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/242/04-05/
Thank you for clarifying that he's teleporting threw daggers Nami. Thats what I've been saying.

Read both you can't see use glasses since the letters are tiny in the second one i saw them fine you should too.
Resorting to flaming my eye sight. You just proved my point on Minato needing daggers to teleport with Hiraishin.

Anyways his sushinn is still there even if he got the nickname from hirashin sushinn is as well his strong point too my point is he doesn't need to set up markers anywhere ok they are on the kunai all you do i chuck them out in the open and were they are he appears.
Yes his normal sushinn is still there. Minato throws a marker at Jiraiya ether Oro or Jiraiya throw a kunai to change the trajectory of the dagger. Forcing Minato to teleport to a place he didn't want. Leaving an opening in Minato's defense. Minato can't throw at lighting speed from what we've seen from him now can he. If Jiraiya & Orochimaru know where the markers are they can avoid thouse areas & destroy the markers that are already on the battle field. Limiting the effectiveness of Hirashin.


Same here he doesn't even need hirashin his sushinn is fast enough to kill oro before he can use any seals if you would like i can post other links that prove i am right.
Thats an opinion. Minato has only fought average ninja. Not Kage level ninja like Jiraiya & Oro.


Fact is fact he is start fast for oro to even start summoning you can take it anyway you want but the fact cannot be erased his speed is by far the fastest in the manga just with sushinn alone and on top of that hirashinn.

Good day.

As for your age wow you must feel special you older by 6 years how COOOLLLLL would you like a biscuit.
To fast how exactly? because you say so well I disagree with you. Hiraishin is his speed which I've already pointed out could be predictable. Being older then you make me cool? No, the things I do outside the net are what make me cool. So yeah I do think I'm soooooo cool :cool: notice my shades.

I've failed to realise that I've lost as much as you've proven that Yondaime could beat both Oro and Jiraiya under the stated stipulations. You haven't. You're just talking about his speed, and that's it. Speed isn't the end all of every fight. If it were, then Oro and Jiraiya would never have been legendary.

Because Yondaime was with a small group of children? Yeah.

Again, still not proving Yondaime can win. This is you:

Lm0o0o0o0 omg yondaime would win his speed his speed his speeed omng he knows it all he knows omg yondaime speed /orgasm

:p

Yo wtf are you giving me loser ass points really mikey from you that's low "HE WAS WITH CHILDEREN"

Big fuking wow now he is without children with nothing holding him back either way he would use that speed to kill oro quick like i said he won't be scratching his ass while oro is forming seals and summoing kages he will do what he did to that rock nin.

Write in all the excuses you want but yondaime already proved it that just for spying he killed that loser rock guy and the rock guy was hiding this is oro who is way above the rock guy and fighting in a real fight yondaime bam end of story.

So yeah as for speed doesn't matter huhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh were in the hell did you get that look at lee look at sasuke look at itachi. But then again nobody had speed like yondaime so sorry.

Yo wtf are you giving me loser ass points really mikey from you that's low "HE WAS WITH CHILDEREN"

Big fuking wow now he is without children with nothing holding him back either way he would use that speed to kill oro quick like i said he won't be scratching his ass while oro is forming seals and summoing kages he will do what he did to that rock nin.

Write in all the excuses you want but yondaime already proved it that just for spying he killed that loser rock guy and the rock guy was hiding this is oro who is way above the rock guy and fighting in a real fight yondaime bam end of story.

So yeah as for speed doesn't matter huhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh were in the hell did you get that look at lee look at sasuke look at itachi. But then again nobody had speed like yondaime so sorry.
Hehehe he lost it & is now in flamer mode. No need to respond to you with rational thought anymore Nami.

Hehehe he lost it & is now in flamer mode. No need to respond to you with rational thought anymore Nami.

No i am just pissed that he is using some bad points to counter "he had children" wtf kind of reply is that.

Like it or not yondiame Could kill oro before he can use edo tensei why YES BECAUSE OF HIS CRAZY ASS SPEED.

uhm... I'm probably missing some points between the wall text no jutsu x_X and I don't know if it was pointed in the latter posts, so apologies if I repeat things.

Vengeance, you first said that Minato can teleport through those kunais and so the opponents can see his next location. Which is not right, it's not those kunais that help him teleport. The kunais help for him to detect the position of something. He used them in the fight against the 50 shinobis and had his shinobis throw them at the 50 opponents in order to identify their location faster. Also, when Kakashi used his Kunai, it was for Minato to identify where Kakashi was, and teleport there.

Because Minato used the teleport without the kunai in that moment when he left his backbag down and next, actually same second he was behind that opponent with his dagger. No kunai involved. :P

alright if this was explained already, you can kill me :p (but only if Chyio-baasama is around :P)

Yo wtf are you giving me loser ass points really mikey from you that's low "HE WAS WITH CHILDEREN"It's a loser ass point, because it's true? Yeah.

Big fuking wow now he is without children with nothing holding him back either way he would use that speed to kill oro quick like i said he won't be scratching his ass while oro is forming seals and summoing kages he will do what he did to that rock nin.You don't get it? He took out that Rock nin because he had to watch out for the kid nin. >.> It's out of his character to start off a fight using zomg speed, and even then, against these two, and in this fight with these stipulations, his zomg speed isn't going to cut it.

Write in all the excuses you want but yondaime already proved it that just for spying he killed that loser rock guy and the rock guy was hiding this is oro who is way above the rock guy and fighting in a real fight yondaime bam end of story.I've already told you why Yondaime killed the Rock nin. I won't repeat myself.

So yeah as for speed doesn't matter huhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhYou really do have trouble understanding things. I didn't say speed doesn't matter, I said it isn't the end all of every fight, especially not this one.

were in the hell did you get that look at lee look at sasuke look at itachi. But then again nobody had speed like yondaime so sorry.What?

uhm... I'm probably missing some points between the wall text no jutsu x_X and I don't know if it was pointed in the latter posts, so apologies if I repeat things.

Vengeance, you first said that Minato can teleport through those kunais and so the opponents can see his next location. Which is not right, it's not those kunais that help him teleport. The kunais help for him to detect the position of something. He used them in the fight against the 50 shinobis and had his shinobis throw them at the 50 opponents in order to identify their location faster. Also, when Kakashi used his Kunai, it was for Minato to identify where Kakashi was, and teleport there.

Because Minato used the teleport without the kunai in that moment when he left his backbag down and next, actually same second he was behind that opponent with his dagger. No kunai involved. :P

alright if this was explained already, you can kill me :p (but only if Chyio-baasama is around :P)

Actaully that was his plain ol sushinn which is why i said he is that damn fast he can easily get behind oro before he sumons anything then use his kunai to slit his fuking throat.


@mikey i am not saying anything wrong but oro would be killed quick because this is a FIGHT they are having he won't hold back he will use his sushinn no HIRASHIN to get behind him before he can even blink and kill him.

An di am sorry i thought you said he summons jiraiya in hermit mode anyways jiraiya might be his problem after he kills oro jiraiya isn't fast enough to save him.

But ia m sure minato can kill jiraiya to not as quick like oro since he has those frogs to help but he can kill him.

uhm... I'm probably missing some points between the wall text no jutsu x_X and I don't know if it was pointed in the latter posts, so apologies if I repeat things.

Vengeance, you first said that Minato can teleport through those kunais and so the opponents can see his next location. Which is not right, it's not those kunais that help him teleport. The kunais help for him to detect the position of something. He used them in the fight against the 50 shinobis and had his shinobis throw them at the 50 opponents in order to identify their location faster. Also, when Kakashi used his Kunai, it was for Minato to identify where Kakashi was, and teleport there.

Because Minato used the teleport without the kunai in that moment when he left his backbag down and next, actually same second he was behind that opponent with his dagger. No kunai involved. :P

alright if this was explained already, you can kill me :p (but only if Chyio-baasama is around :P)
In data books its stated that Minato needs a tag to teleport sorry liuaishan he does need the markers.

Actaully that was his plain ol sushinn which is why i said he is that damn fast he can easily get behind oro before he sumons anything then use his kunai to slit his fuking throat.Uh huh. And Hermit Mode Jiraiya would just stand there and watch? Also, it's still out of Yondaime's character, when by himself, to use that kind of speed off the bat.

Edit: Also, what good would Yondaime using his speed to get behind Oro do when Oro could just use replacement jutsu, and turn to mud? He's done so before. You seem to be under the impression that Yondaime can stomp any and everyone in the Narutoverse because of the blind Yondaime fanboyism. =\ I hoped you'd debate this without being, fanboy-ey, and being objective, and you aren't.

Uh huh. And Hermit Mode Jiraiya would just stand there and watch? Also, it's still out of Yondaime's character, when by himself, to use that kind of speed off the bat.

Were in the hell did you get this out of character he can use what ever the fuk he wants just like oro and jiraiya can stop handicapping him just for your side to be held up better.

Jiraiya isn't fast enough to get to oro before yondaime slits his throat or drives a raseng in his ass.

Were in the hell did you get this out of character he can use what ever the fuk he wants just like oro and jiraiya can stop handicapping him just for your side to be held up better.XD

Jiraiya isn't fast enough to get to oro before yondaime slits his throat or drives a raseng in his ass.Jiraiya in Hermit Mode isn't fast enough? Wow. Also, again, you act as if a slit to Oro's throat would kill him off the bat, as if Oro would actually stand there and let his real body get sliced like that lol.

Hiraishin no Jutsu

User(s): Yondaime Hokage
Rank: S
TNG: Ninjutsu
Range: Close, Mid, Far
Type: Supplementary

Description:
"Flight across space and time completed in a flash-like instant!!"
"Swiftness that surpasses Shunshin!"
Yondaime Hokage's jutsu, the reason for his alias "Yellow Flash"! His high-speed
movement over long distances...it is really "space-time movement".
To activate the jutsu, he needs a "jutsu-shiki" to mark the destination.
Yondaime applies a "jutsu-shiki" to weapons such as kunai in advance. It is also
possible to leave it in a touched area, and when it is engraved on an enemy's
body, it becomes a curse seal with a sentence of death!

Picture text:
Top: He saves Kakashi and at the same time leaves a "jutsu-shiki" on the enemies.
leg.
Bottom: It is not comparable to the movement speed of Shunshin. The principle is
similar to that of Kuchiyose.


Edit: I think that explains Minato's title & how Hiraishin is used as its a translation from data books. My previous post were meant to find flaws in Minato's OMG-unbeatable jutsu. Which I feel like I got my point across. So if we can move on to another issue besides speed I'd like to read it.

Like Mikey said Hermit mode should at the very least contend with Minato's shunshin if not make Jiraiya faster then Minato. Combined with Orochimaru & his forces; taking into account that darkness jutsu the 1st can use as well as many other abilities this one sided squad has. When compared to Minato's incomplete Rasengan, death god & Toad summoning (which Jiraiya can also do). I see no reason why Minato should be declared the victor in this fight if Jiraiya & Orochimaru can work around Hiraishin.

XD

Jiraiya in Hermit Mode isn't fast enough? Wow. Also, again, you act as if a slit to Oro's throat would kill him off the bat, as if Oro would actually stand there and let his real body get sliced like that lol.

What can he do in this situation

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/240/10/

Nothing sarutobi was in this same position he couldn't do shit because oro had a kunai at his throat

Same scenario would happen

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/240/11/

The guy didn't even blink and he was still finished without blinking.

THIS IS ONLY HIS SUSHINN NOT HIRASHINN.

By the time jiraiya notices oro will be dead and it will be one vs one which yondaime would win as well not as quick like oro died but he will also fall.

What can he do in this situation

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/240/10/

Nothing sarutobi was in this same position he couldn't do shit because oro had a kunai at his throat

Same scenario would happenXD Do you honestly think a simple throat slitting would take care of Oro or Jiraiya? If that were the case, they'd have been killed long ago with such simple means. Seriously, a slit to the throat? Come now. Oro could go mud, proving it to be ineffective.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/240/11/

The guy didn't even blink and he was still finished without blinking.

THIS IS ONLY HIS SUSHINN NOT HIRASHINN.That's nice. I still can't help but laugh at the thought of Yondaime killing two Sannins like Oro and Jiraiya with such a simple method. I think you're overrating Yondaime.

By the time jiraiya notices oro will be deadOro would be mud. He wouldn't let something stupid like Yondaime slitting his throat do him in. Also, um, you're not even bringing into account the summoned ninja from Edo Tensei. XD They'll just be standing by watching and doing nothing, right? :p

and it will be one vs one which yondaime would win as well not as quick like oro died but he will also fall.That's why I had two vs one. :) As I said, Yondaime isn't invincible, he can be beaten with the right shinobi using the right skills.

So here we have, Jiraiya in Hermit Mode, who can use Frog song genjutsu, is capable of killing a few of Pain's bodies, and running Itachi and Kisame off without Hermit Mode. We have Oro, with Edo Tensei, who can summon Shodaime, Nidaime, and Kimimaro, and he can also use Manda. Add to that, you can't destroy the summoned bodies, and well...just wow. And they're supposed to be killed with a slit to the throat? o_O

XD

XD Do you honestly think a simple throat slitting would take care of Oro or Jiraiya? If that were the case, they'd have been killed long ago with such simple means. Seriously, a slit to the throat? Come now. Oro




That's nice. I still can't help but laugh at the thought of Yondaime killing two Sannins like Oro and Jiraiya with such a simple method. I think you're overrating Yondaime.

Oro would be mud. He wouldn't let something stupid like Yondaime slitting his throat do him in. Also, um, you're not even bringing into account the summoned ninja from Edo Tensei. XD They'll just be standing by watching and doing nothing, right? :p

That's why I had two vs one. :) As I said, Yondaime isn't invincible, he can be beaten with the right shinobi using the right skills.

He won't have time to do anything don't you get it a shinboi uses replacment when they see or know of an attack coming yondaime could be acting normal then bam just like the rock nin.

Minato was just "putting" on his bag but really he was behind the loser the whole time reflection buddy.


Sarutobi didn't have time to use shit neither will oro the speed is to great he couldn't use mud against sasuke and sasuke was acting nomral my point is when you aren't expecting it ondaime will get you even you are watching him you already lost since his speed is to great.

What do you mean a mere slit of the throat lmfaooo let me slit your throat lol i wanna see how that won't stop you and if it won't stop a person then sarutobi should have not been worried and gotten out right MIKEY but he didn't because he knew once slice and your dead.

Which is why he put the kunai to sarutob's throat not back.

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Wtf are you talkign about hermit didn't make jiraiya an ounce faster wellit did a bit i guees not that i noticed but not as fast as minato ihe were that fast he would be able to kill pein quciker and for good by just appearing out of no where behind on of them but he couldn't he needed ninjutus to distract them sorry until like mikey said there is proof of any speed gain in hermit mode you can't use that just like i can't use minato knew edo tensei.

He won't have time to do anything don't you get it a shinboi uses replacment when they see or know of an attack coming yondaime could be acting normal then bam just like the rock nin.Yeah, except Yondaime did that showing off against fodder nin. Jiraiya, in HM, and Orochimaru, aren't fodder nin. Oro can still go mud the second (and with Yondaime's overhyped reputation, I wouldn't doubt it) he senses Yondaime near him going for the kill. And how exactly is Yondaime going to deal with Shodaime's Super Night Time genjutsu? What is Yondaime going to do while Shodaime wraps hard ass wood around him, wood capable of holding down Kyuubi? How is Yondaime going to deal with Nidaime flooding the area and having Shodaime's wood hold Yondaime down while he drowns? Should Yondaime temporarily cut down their bodies, they'll just regenerate. And while he's trying to handle the summons, Oro and Jiraiya come in for the kill. How does Yondaime deal with Bone Forest? The number of ways for Oro and Jiraiya to defeat Yondaime together are huge.

Minato was just "putting" on his bag but really he was behind the loser the whole time reflection buddy.XD


Sarutobi didn't have time to use shit neither will oro the speed is to great he couldn't use mud against sasuke and sasuke was acting nomral my point is when you aren't expecting it ondaime will get you even you are watching him you already lost since his speed is to great.Neither Sasuke nor Sarutobi have a thing to do with this fight. :p Also, this is Yondaime, with a famed, overhyped reputation. Oro and Jiraiya WOULD expect that kind of thing from Yondaime.

What do you mean a mere slit of the throat lmfaooo let me slit your throat lol i wanna see how that won't stop youYes, because things in our world are certainly the same in the Naruto world. :p No.

and if it won't stop a person then sarutobi should have not been worried and gotten out right MIKEY but he didn't because he knew once slice and your dead.What?

Which is why he put the kunai to sarutob's throat not back.What?

Edit: Nami, just face it. These odds are overwhelmingly against Yondaime. I know you idolize him, but are you really such a blind fanboy of his to argue even in such a dire situation he's in?

In data books its stated that Minato needs a tag to teleport sorry liuaishan he does need the markers.

haven't seen it here:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/240/09/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/240/10/

he just put his backbag down and then he was behind that guy. Haven't seen him preparing any kunai.

And here http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/244/16/ he explains that that marker alerts him when it's thrown, not that it teleports him. He just teleports himself, after being alerted that the kunai was thrown.
Dunno if the databooks are supposed to be better than the manga, but I prefer to believe the manga.

haven't seen it here:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/240/09/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/240/10/

he just put his backbag down and then he was behind that guy. Haven't seen him preparing any kunai.

And here http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/244/16/ he explains that that marker alerts him when it's thrown, not that it teleports him. He just teleports himself, after being alerted that the kunai was thrown.
Dunno if the databooks are supposed to be better than the manga, but I prefer to believe the manga.
Kishi himself is responsible for the databooks information. Kishi > Databooks >> Manga

Kishi himself is responsible for the databooks information. Kishi > Databooks >> Manga

Not really seeing in how your data books are from leaf ninja a FAN SITE.

sHE IS RIGHT THERE WAS NO PREP WHAT SHE SAID IS RIGHT KISHI WROTE THE MANGA OK so until you show me a data book not from leaf ninja manga beats all so sorry.

@mikey shodaime isn't alive he is dead he would need to be summoned in which case he can't since oro would be dead just quit. also the genjutsu was used by nidaime not shodaime,it was shodaime in the anime.

Fan boy of what you are trying to use all the handicaps you can't saying shit like rep and blah blah balh please wuit it to summon kages oro needs to be alive which he won't be.

Fodder nin garbage nin its still yondaime's speed it doesn't matter who you are he can still get you of he wouldn't be called greatest nin/kage ever.

Wow. And where exactly do you think these fans get the information from? >.>

Wow. And where exactly do you think these fans get the information from? >.>

Really you know there is a lot of real info on cards as well right my little cuz like them so i bought some for him and guess what they say some real shit in them as does wiki say some real shit but fans like to write other things as well you know.

But you can't always count on wiki since there shit is all fan written and is this. leaf site.

And trust me there site is bs as well they write shit in there that has nothing to do wtih the manga at all they even use filler arcs in there manga charcters data n shit.

Summon part of the battle. Minato summons Bunta while Jiraiya summons Gama. Orochimaru summons Manda. Manda can go toe to toe with Bunta, if Gama is there it only increases the changes of the sannin winning this part of the battle.

Ninjutsu
Minato has incomplete rasengan, Hiraishin (which I've already stated the flaws in this), deathgod, toad summoning.

Jiraiya has rasengan, toad tec not limited to summoning, Doton & Katon elements, hair manipulation, sealing jutsu, hermit mode, sound genjutsu just to give a few examples.

Orochimaru has snake summoning, regeneration, Doton & Fuuton elements, various kinjutsu, Kusanagi sword just to give a few examples.

Shodi has wood element(Suiton & Doton), regeneration from edo, darkness jutsu, strong taijutsu

Nadi has Suiton element & regeneration from edo.

Kimi has kick ass Taijutsu, the perfect physical body, bone manipulation, CS transformations, & regeneration from edo.

Sannin group wins this part based the amount of abilities they could use.

Taijutsu
Ok seriously.... Jiraiya hermit modes, Shodi's strong Taijutsu, & Kimi's perfect body & bone manipulation would be more then enough to stop Minato in taijutsu. Then we have to consider Orochimaru & Nami are there as well?

Anyway not sure how much longer I want to add on to this fight as it's pretty one sided & we don't know everything about Minato to be seriously doing this fight anyway.

haven't seen it here:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/240/09/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/240/10/

he just put his backbag down and then he was behind that guy. Haven't seen him preparing any kunai.
That part was normal Shunshin used against an average ninja. Minato did not teleport there.


And here http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/244/16/ he explains that that marker alerts him when it's thrown, not that it teleports him. He just teleports himself, after being alerted that the kunai was thrown.
Dunno if the databooks are supposed to be better than the manga, but I prefer to believe the manga.
Yes & Minato needs this marker activated in order to teleport. Its not like he could randomly think of Tsunade showering & automatically be in her shower. He needs the marker to activate so he could sense it so he could teleport to the location of that marker. This is no secret.

Kishi himself is responsible for the databooks information. Kishi > Databooks >> Manga

then I see the manga pointless if he rather tell the important things in the databooks and not the manga itself. It's the manga that's popular, not the databooks. *shrug* Whatever he feels like.