hey i was wondering who will win in a fight ichimaru or kenpachi. also is there anyone who can beat ichimaru in the long run except ichigo.


i'm new to bleach and don't mind if you spoil anything so if there is a spoiler you think it's worth while hearing write it in this thread by all means.

I personally don't think Ichigo could beat Ichimaru at the point ing time you're at. But if Hollow Ichigo where to come out full force, maybe. I wouldn't think so, though.

so you are saying ichimaru is like the strongest capTAIN then why was he aizen's bitch.

Ichimaru isn't the strongest, but he is strong. The reason he hangs with Aizen, was he used to be Aizen's vice captain, any his loyalties haven't changed. PM me if you want more indepth info.

We haven't seen Ichimaru's abilities to it's fullest extent yet.We do not know his Ban Kai.
I like Kenpachi a lot more thought.Aizen is the strongest captain,as was discovered when he left.

oh really because i heard the ichimaru is a kick ass villain plus he barely tried and made ichigo fly when that big guy opened the gate for him.

hey..how about byakuya kuchiki? i thought he's the strongest captain in gotei 13? IS aizen or gin stronger than him?

hey..how about byakuya kuchiki? i thought he's the strongest captain in gotei 13? IS aizen or gin stronger than him?
Maybe, when haven't seen their bankais yet, as Shrike mentioned.

oh...anyways, byakuya is somewhat like treated as a 'god' there..aside from him being royalty,im pertaining to his sword skills and over all fighting capabilities. so it gave me the idea that he's the strongest of the gotei 13 if its not the eldest dude( i forgot his name) that is. but from you guys' opinions who do you think is the strongest among them?

The Captain of the 1st squad is the uber captain ftw.

Ichimaru is all hype, he'd lose against Kenpachi no doubt in my mind.

hey..how about byakuya kuchiki? i thought he's the strongest captain in gotei 13? IS aizen or gin stronger than him?

oh...anyways, byakuya is somewhat like treated as a 'god' there..aside from him being royalty,im pertaining to his sword skills and over all fighting capabilities. so it gave me the idea that he's the strongest of the gotei 13 if its not the eldest dude( i forgot his name) that is. but from you guys' opinions who do you think is the strongest among them?

It is proved without a doubt that Byakuya is not the strongest. More than half the Captains in the Gotei 13 are stronger or equal in power to him. The people that are stronger(in a lot of people's opinion, including mine) Commander, Aizen, 4th Captain, Kyoraku, and Ukitake. Equal in power: Gin, probably Komamura, and Hitsugaya.:cool:

Are far as reiatsu strength goes, I'll say Kenpachi... as far as who's more skilled and more than likely will win in a fight, then Ichimaru...

It is proved without a doubt that Byakuya is not the strongest. More than half the Captains in the Gotei 13 are stronger or equal in power to him. The people that are stronger(in a lot of people's opinion, including mine) Commander, Aizen, 4th Captain, Kyoraku, and Ukitake. Equal in power: Gin, probably Komamura, and Hitsugaya.:cool:

so that toshiro kid is almost like equal to him?..hmmm..well i guess i just have to watch and see for myself since im just in soul society arc.;)

if it was before the aizen betrayel probably kenpachi but at this point in time *SPOILER* ichimaru, aizen, and the blind guy joined the Vizards and gained hollow abilitiest and are know considern stronger then captains so im guesing ichimaru is stronger then kenpachi

Ichimaru is all hype, he'd lose against Kenpachi no doubt in my mind.

i don't agree gin is much more skilled and now that they joined that (spoiler) aizen gin, and the blind guy got some insane powers he is def stronger now.

well, you should've said Byakuya Kuchiki too.

but i'd say kenpachi anyway.:rolleyes:

Gin will kill any of the captains now him Aizen,and the blind dude have almost close to hollow powers now and besides before that gin treated kenpachi like his bitch gin wins for sure any captain now.

I think Kenpachi would win if they fought without bankai and only on the first release.

if it was before the aizen betrayel probably kenpachi but at this point in time *SPOILER* ichimaru, aizen, and the blind guy joined the Vizards and gained hollow abilitiest and are know considern stronger then captains so im guesing ichimaru is stronger then kenpachi


you must be watching another series, when the hell did they join the vizards?

it never happened....they arnt gonna join the vizards

No aizen,and gin,and the blind guy, achived very high power almost at the level of a hollow not quite there yet.

But gin would slaughter kenpachi there is no one i know of that can stand against gin especially now except aizen that's right not even byakuya,yamamoto,hitsuyaku all of them would fall before gin.

First of all IT NEVER SHOWED that Aizen used the Hougyakku? (dont know spelling) on themselves yet. Therefore Ichimaru, Tousen and him are not garunteed the power to gain the mask yet, but in other bleach forums many predict that will happen.

Now for the debate:

Kenpachi will probably lose at this stage considering they stopped showing much of him and they did not say whether he now knows his sword's name and gained Bankai yet. If he did and Ichimaru is still without that power boost from the Houg... thingy then he would most likely win.

However, if Ichimaru does achieve that hollow-like power... then he would most likely defeat Kenpachi.

There are also too many unknown factors considering we do not know Ichimaru's full extend nor his Bankai. We also do not know anything about post SS arc about Kenpachi.

Also Byakuya is not the strongest. He is the most KNOWN and MOST POPULAR not the strongest. Stronger ones that many people assume includes Yamamoto, those two dual swords guy, Soifon (captain of 2nd squad), and perhaps Kenpachi would be of even level. This part is based purely on assumption and theories from other site so please don't flame if you have some other opinions.

gin would slaughter kenpachi really ,all he would half to do is shunpo around kenpachi at a long range division and use only his shikai to tear down kenpachi,but on the same hand kenpachi would some how find a way to mess gin up even if he died doing it in the process ,but either way u look at it Gin wins against kenpachi.

If this was before Gin went to Hueco Mundo with Aizen and Tousen, then Kenpachi would most likely win.

If we are talking about where Gin, Aizen and Tousen are at now then Gin would most likely win.

Gin is stronger first off kenpachi doesn't have a bankai only a shikai and @SS they didn't join the vizards were did you hear that from. Aizen is the leader of which are now known as arrcanr and they have some hollow abilties or so it seems Aizen,Gin,and Tousen i believe they to have hollow powers but even without them gin is stronger than any captain or espada he is like 2nd in command after tousen.

Ichimaru. Ichimaru has Benkai and Zaraki uses Rietsu alone.

ichimaru.......

ichimaru rocks!!!!
zaraki could win if he took of all handicaps from the start of the battle

i think it would probably be kenpachi

Gin without a doubt his shikai is enough long range can break through kenpachis sowrd and aizen himslef sees great potential in gin thats why he think highley of him.

As far as the hokyoko last i checked he has it which means if he used it on the arrancar to create them then he used it on tousen and gin i think though he is wating for it to fully actaivate before he himself uses it.

But gin would beat kenpachi's ass all he uses is his reaitsu which last i saw gin made sado,quincy,and a whole bucnch of others falll on their asses by just giving a little squeeze,so yeah reaitsu>shikai and gin can alwasy uses bankai.

Either way you see it gin wins.

Ichimaru is all hype, he'd lose against Kenpachi no doubt in my mind.

Is dat y Ichimaru tied him up no prob:p

Is dat y Ichimaru tied him up no prob:p

lmaooo0.

but heysince i see you like hitsugayu you know that they are most likely gonna fight right. and the only thing that will save him is maybe matamoto becasue gin respects her in a way otherwise toshiro is dead.

i dont think that ichi could win with ken
not in amillion years

Although I love Kenpachi.... in a fight and with his new power I think that Ichimaru would win