Talk about candidates and why or why not they'd make a good president. This thread will be a bit more relaxed than the other Debate threads in terms of rules... But seriously, don't just spam it up. If I see "Obama for the win!" or something equally stupid, I will start handing out infractions.

Uh.


I saw 60 minutes do a bio on Barack Obama, and they listed all his political stances on things. I remember saying "oh hell yeah I agree with that" a bunch of times, but being so long ago, I can't remember what the hell I was agreeing with. Can someone help me out here?

Hill Dog all the way!!!!

I bet she'll be a great president hopefully taking after BC ( excluding the oral sex part........well actually ;)...no excluding the oral sex part lol). personally i dont trust or like republicans because their policies are bent on exclusion and self exalting. Shoot first talk later" aka the bush method, never wanna see this again . i know Hill Dog will the the voice of reason which will propel the US into a period of peace and prosperity and end this isolation from the rest of the world.

I'm going to give my opinion on the top two in both parties.

There's something about Baraq "Osama" Obama, that creeps me, whenever he's asked a question he never really gives a straight answer.

Hillary Clinton, no fucking way.

Rudy Giuliani was a guy that I thought had a chance, but now after the poor, poor, debate it will be hard for him to get in.

The one guy that I think can leap frog ahead of everybody is Fred Thompson if he runs, he has the morals, the star power (Law & Order, Hunt For Red October, ect.), and the money to get him in office.

Democrat all the way.

I can't really see Hiliary in office, sure, her husband was a 'good president' that kept the economy going, but that doesn't automatically mean she'll be a good one. This has nothing to do with her being female. I'd vote for a female president in a second if she was smart, but just not Hiliary.

Democrat all the way.

Truth!

@Rival--You can't vote anyways, so it doesn't matter. Lol, you can do 'Kids Vote'.

For me the 2008 election is very, very foggy. Almost unthinkable, we'll probably all die... *sniff*

I forgot to say why I want to go democrat. I am more of an isolationalist (keep to US matters and no one else's). I am of the opinion that I deserve to have my rights protected. None of this "Big Brother watches yo" crap. Marijuana should be legal or atleast decriminalized. and I want social security when I get old to cover what my 401k doesnt.

i would vote for Barack Obama right now, i like his stance on fighting poverty, getting us out of iraq, working on a new health care system. Plus i think that hes done a hell of a job in illinois, with tax cuts.

Marijuana should be legal or atleast decriminalized.
Why? Marijuana is a dangerous drug that kills people and causes erratic behavior and symptoms in others. It's not something you want to be legalized unless you're an addict that wants it sold in stores. (Not implying that you are in any way an addict, but I am saying that nobody else has a very valad reason to think that way.)

I'd go for Barack Obama (weather I spelled his name incorrectly or not), just because he seems like the right choice from all that he said. I'd just caution everyone against jumping to conclusions because we saw where that got us with George Bush and people voting for him. Anyways I think his ideas are by far the best and he's already done things to prove that he'll be a good president.

if i could vote it would Be for Obama
i really dont know his ideas for the country but i think its about time for america to have a change of presidental ethnicality
also i really just dont like Hilary but thats besides the point

If i could, i would place my vote for rudy guliani (sp?) the way he stood strong for new york durig 9/11 shows that he's a strong president who can work calmly in tough situations (plus i dont like the views of democratic candidates i think they're hypocrites but thats besides the point) i really hope that guliani wins and i wouldnt be too upset if obama won just please keep hilary out.

moving to canada is hliary wins

if hliary wins, the military is going to hell, BC messed everything up and i just dont like what she is saying too

Why? Marijuana is a dangerous drug that kills people and causes erratic behavior and symptoms in others. It's not something you want to be legalized unless you're an addict that wants it sold in stores. (Not implying that you are in any way an addict, but I am saying that nobody else has a very valad reason to think that way.)


I don't want the drug myself. There are way too many people locked up for smoking dope in their house. It is not the government's job to tell us what private uses of durgs should be unless they kill us. Last time I checked, marijuana is only a little different than tobacco. I've never heard of someone OD'ing on pot.

The only reason it is seen as a violent drug is because the DEA makes it so darn hard to get....people have to turn to gangsters and scum to get the drugs. It was the same for alcohol during the prohibition-era.

I just want my tax money (yes i do pay my own taxes) to go to locking away more killers than pot heads. I don't really see why pot-heads are a threat. They sit on couches all day (so says your soccer-mom funded ANTI-DRUG campains). And unless you've smoked pot for yourself, you wouldn't know what the drug is capable of. I smoked it once in high school with the rock band I was with. It makes you wanna chill and relax.

EDIT: I don't condone illegal activities, but I think the activities themselves should legal and thus condone that.

Alcohol causes violence/deaths/car accidents. Tobacco causes cancer. Why not ban them for killing people and causing people to act erratically.

i would vote for Barack Obama right now, i like his stance on fighting poverty, getting us out of iraq, working on a new health care system. Plus i think that hes done a hell of a job in illinois, with tax cuts.

but still, ya know what Illinois is still known for, "Land of Lawsuits", when he gets rid of all those dumbass lawsuits then I'll believe in him a lot more.

It'd be funny if President Martinez from Disney Channel show "Cory in the house" was President,i wouldn't mind it because he seems fun o__O

I can't really see Hiliary in office, sure, her husband was a 'good president' that kept the economy going, but that doesn't automatically mean she'll be a good one. This has nothing to do with her being female. I'd vote for a female president in a second if she was smart, but just not Hiliary.
ill go with that. except im more old fashion and wouldn't really think of voting for a woman president. especially hillary. the devil himself in human form. idk, some weird political thing thats been ingrained in me. then again, every1's got their own opinion. all tho, i have no idea who any of the other canadates r.

Hillary Clinton! All the way...... Not really Ima going with B.O.!

Hillary for prez makes America Fail. We need a president that won't fail us. One that is awesome. We need someone like...
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You wanna know what I don't understand? I've watched the news and it just boggles my mind about how they sensationalize and over blow everything candidates are doing. Obama disagreeing with one plan and talking about universal health care becomes "OBAMA BLASTED HILLARY ON HEALTH CARE TODAY!"

What the fuck!? The media grabs for attention worse than some people here in the Spam forum. They really are not giving correct images of what each person has to say / represent.

I disagree with both partys and dont even have a candidite I would even consider voting for especialy Hillary I swear her motto must be "When in doubt send your husband out,or lie,or flip flop,or just blame the republican party and play the gender card when they try to fight back".

I'm moving to the UK when I gather up enough cash. The same thing that happened to Rome is happening here in the states. If Hillary wins, I will sadly give up hope for the country. I think that John McCain should win though. I'm planning on going into medical work, and I hear they get pain alot more money *actually and statistically* in the UK.

I'm moving to the UK when I gather up enough cash. The same thing that happened to Rome is happening here in the states. If Hillary wins, I will sadly give up hope for the country. I think that John McCain should win though. I'm planning on going into medical work, and I hear they get pain alot more money *actually and statistically* in the UK.

Amen. Probably my favorite candidates right now are Obama and McCain. The only two that aren't going to be puppets.

If I resided in the US and was of legal age, I'd support Dennis Kucinich (you must be thinking, "get out of this thread, you don't even live in the US). XD I'll post anyways, we have to hear about presidential crap in Australia too. I've heard he's not a popular candidate and doesn't get much media coverage. Shame. I agree with most of his policies.

I like Christopher Dodd. Most of his positions are sensible and seems to be one of the most "down to Earth" candidates.

i dont like any of the candidates in this election. All of the candidates are to consumed in bath mouthing one another and trying to discreded one another. The election is becoming a circus. Just like in 2004 with P. Diddi and his slanderous campaign of vote or die campaign.

The reason i think that campaign was stupid becuase of who that vote or die campaign poster children were mostly paris hilton and britney spears.

What is this countrys political scene coming to its more of a clown show were the candidates want more attention paid to themselves than what there campaign stands for what the candidates will do for us and the country.

so this campaign is more of a clown show than any thing else.

so yeah i will not vote this coming election.

Things have gotten a bit more interesting. Lemme just say the best and the worst here:

Worst possible candidate: Mike Huckabee.

Don't get me wrong here... It's not because he's a Republican. It's because he uses his religion as a weapon. Evangelicals are scary enough as it is, but Evangelicals in the President's office is even more frightening. I'm okay with someone being religious, but if all they do is tout how important such-and-such religion is to this country, then they should NOT be President.

Best candidate: Dennis Kucinich.

And once again, it isn't because of his political party. The reason he's so fucking awesome is because he straight edge answers people's questions. "How do you feel about this?" "Oh, I believe this." TA DA! No political pandering, just straight forward thoughts! Is this man even a politician!?


This election is making me really nervous. There are so many important things to take care of in the world today and if the wrong person gets elected President, then there could be some serious problems.

more than with bush.

im in aus i only know what ive seen on the news but i dont get this election.

are you voting between hillary and obama to replace bush? if so why isnt bush campaining?

im in aus i only know what ive seen on the news but i dont get this election.

are you voting between hillary and obama to replace bush? if so why isnt bush campaining?

Because he can't, he can only do 2 terms in office (4 years each) then he's OUT!!... Yeah.

So Obama won Iowa? I thought that Edwards was winning last morning. Wow, he really jumped in a couple of hours. It was probably the younger generation of people who voted for him, though.

Obama's a pretty good guy. I wouldn't mind if he or Edwards won the Democratic nomination... Mostly because I think that Hillary is a Republican in Dem clothing.

Goddammit, Huckabee won Iowa. Thank God he is failing in New Hampshire.

Obama wins!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok first Hilary. His husband is a good president. Seriously. He didn't start any goddamn war. Nice.

Ok for Hilary she said "My Vice President will never shoot anybody in the face."

and personally I don't like her.

Ok for Barack Obama,he seems nice, and nice point of view. I think.

And I do hope these two won't start any goddamn war.

as long as its not hilary or obama that win the presidency or ron paul we should be okay hopefully edwards wins the election.

America is too racist to elect a black man and too sexist to elect a woman. Go edwards >.>

i guess you hit the nail in the head huh. not its better to choose the one that would pease the masses such in the case of edwards. He has the support of al gore. He should be running for the presidency and i bet he would will the democratic ticket without even trying. Hillary is to much of synical person to be president and frankly she is to much lacking in crediability.

And obama is to young to be president and he would not be taken that seriously by the republicans at all so its mostly a popularity contest right now.

But who knows who ends up as president maybe obama or clinton or it could paul romney its all a chance of luck at this point.

I just hope we get a President that'll bring our boys back from Iraq xD

Obama said he plans to withdraw troops from Iraq starting around May(this year i think)
and leaving a few behind to train Iraqi forces,i think that sounds like a good idea.

But Hilary is like *bleh*...

But i'm still curious to see who'll become our next President :)

i am not impresses with any of the candidates so far. i think none of them meet the criteria of what a good president should be like. it is sad that i am going to vote for the less bad.

@Hiraku- I think you merged Ron Paul and Mitt Romney

Obama fails, he talks about huge changes for the government yet he doesnt give any explanations as to how he's going to make these changes, and personnaly, I think he is a little too inexperienced to be leading a country...

Hilary fails even worse. Any person who would cry on National Television should not be the leader of our country. Besides I lost all respect for her a long time ago when she stayed with Clinton just to avoid another scandal...

Huckabee- Typical pro-life, pro-church, right wing nut job... He shouldnt even be in the election.

Ron Paul- Just a modern day Howard Dean, Byah!

Gulianni- I really like alot of Gulianni's views, however I am uncomfortable with how much hes playing the 9/11 card...

Thompson- For me its a toss-up between him and Gulianni. I like his issues, he's as quick as a whip and I think that he would do great as a president.

John Edwards- I dont have much against him, other than the fact that Im republican and he's democrat so I dont agree with easy to get welfare checks.

Im pretty much with tookipai, I really dont see why so many people like Obama, Hes way to inexperienced and if were ever faced with a REAL threat I really think he'll cave. Huckbee is just creepy, he and his supporters all seem like robots, and hes a bit to far right. Guliani is good, He has experience and the ability to lead. I do like Fred Thomson, but he just dosent know how to run a campain.And Hillary is a clearly not who we need as president.

@DA were did you get the idea hillary is anywere NEAR a republican? she wants Universal health care(which Republicans opose) she wants to end the war(which *most* Republicans opose)and higher taxes(which republicans opose).

Im not even from america but Ron Paul should get the job, a man of true inteligence.

Obama's a pretty good guy. I wouldn't mind if he or Edwards won the Democratic nomination... Mostly because I think that Hillary is a Republican in Dem clothing.

Goddammit, Huckabee won Iowa. Thank God he is failing in New Hampshire.

No. Hilary is a Stalinist in Dem clothing. :p

Meh, Huckabee doesn't have much of a chance for the nomination.

Ron Paul has the best policies (since he's a Libertarian), but unfortunately he just wouldn't make a very good president. Maybe he should be VP...

i think he would make an awsome president, true to the constitution, true to the people, true to himself, just what a country in as dire a state as america needs.

Meh, Huckabee doesn't have much of a chance for the nomination.

That's not what the Bible Belt of America says. If he manages to win SC then he has a REALLY good shot at winning the whole thing. Don't underestimate the power of Evangelical zealotry.

Ron Paul? He's a blatant racist and the oldest person running for President right now. Hell, the guy doesn't want to give ANY aid to Darfur and he didn't even want to give Rosa Parks the Congressional Medal of Bravery (he's the only one who voted against it).

:L a racist, you really dont put alot of thought into what you say...... again i will show you something of interest.

http://www.youtube.com/v/FG2PUZoukfA&rel=1&border=1

yes he is a racist, but black people seem to like him....they must be missing something haha

yes he is a racist, but black people seem to like him....they must be missing something haha

There's always a chance that those said black people didn't hear his racist comments..

Ron Paul is racist? This is news to me... provide links~!

Ron Paul does not believe in evolution :x Granted his views on human origins have no impact on his economic policies, but something just urks me about electing a president that doesn't believe in the theory of natural selection. x_x

hm... i spose, maybe i was jut looking for some1 that is the total oposite of bush....and i dont mean shaven :D j/k but i still think he's got the best views, i mean the founding fathers of america fought for their freedom for a reason, created a fair constitution that over the years has been destroyed. butsince im not an american thats all i'll say :)

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/ron_paul_racist_anti_semite/

Yeah, what a good candidate. The only good thing I can say about Ron Paul is that he clearly talks about what American policy wants and needs, like the Republican answer to Kucinich. Thing is, Paul also wants to abolish the EPA and IRS. That's retarded. What ever happened to "Promote the general welfare"? We don't want to throw everything to the States.

I've been hearing alot about Ron trying to dissolve government agencies. Well if he does become pres, he should dissolve FEMA. That should be step one. I also heard he was trying to get rid of the CIA. Crazy huh?

not totally he just disagrees with what the CIA is used for. he likes the intelligence gaining part about it, but dislikes the assassination part of it. he has some good thoughts and idead but wants to get rid of too many programs. Economically he knows what hes talking about.

I'm furious at how the showdown between Obama and Clinton is turning out. Just watching the debates is enough to make me sick but when I see Clinton go onto other shows to point out her retarded twist-n-turn message, I just got ape-shit.

Last night Clinton was on the Daily Show. I sat, amazed, as John Stewart actually gave her some really good hard-ball questions. And what did she do? She didn't answer a single GODDAMN QUESTION. She weaved and turned in the attempt to avoid being made to look ridiculous. Stewart asked her, flat-out why she's making such a big deal about the media "being unfair" to her. He asked that if the shoe was on the other foot if she would speak up and what does she do? She says the normal flim-flam about how it is time for change.

God... DAMN... I am so sick of politicians. Because Kucinich isn't in the race, all we get to discuss are platitudes and name-calling. Yeah, it's always been that way. But really, I had hoped that Americans were finally going to use their heads for once. We all clamored and freaked out about Bush and how people needed to start being smarter and elect officials that actually stood for something.

Now what do we have? We've got candidates doing the same tried-and-true methods of sucking on the American people's balls, promising little, making it seem like a lot, and squandering money left and right.

I know it's a cliche, but I'm honestly considering going to Canada more and more each day.

^I feel the same way. There isn't a single candidate that I want to support, at all. I honestly don't even think I'll even vote this time. Doesn't matter who wins, they're all horrible now.

Ron Paul would at least be interesting though, amirite? : )

I don't know, I think Obama would make a good first African-American president. But America's too racist, IMO, so I wouldn't be surprised if Clinton won the popular vote thing. Our family's more Democratic, seeing how we hate Republicans and all, but honestly, if it's Clinton vs. McCain, Dad says we can move back to Nepal.

I don't get that woman's deals. During the Texas debate that I decided to watch out of boredom (it almost killed me), she kept directing all of the questions back to Obama and accused him of plagiarizing the Governor of Massachusetts or someone's words. Every. Single. Time.

What I don't get is why America would take the risk of electing another Republican after Bush's *awesome* reign. Especially one that wants to spend a hundred more years in Iraq until we win, and one that's literally Bush's long-lost twin.

But I guess I'm for Obama because I'm an environmentalist and all about peace. We all have our own views.

Clinton isn't a candidate. She's a 140 pound wrecking machine that doesn't do anything but play the blame game. SNL had a piece about how she's a bitch and it's a good thing because bitches get stuff done. ...But the thing is, she's not a bitch. She's a PETTY bitch. She isn't going to get any more done for health care or for any other issue than Bush did.

If she gets elected, she'll be the president, but she'll just play the role as the First Lady again while Bill does all the work. That's what I think, though, once more, if it's Clinton vs. McCain, McCain's win is secured.

Anon, however, neither of the candidates will make the nomination thing, and Clinton's probably bribed some of her superdelegates with botoxes so she can get a win. Juuuust a thought. Though, it depends on whether her superdelegates are females or not...

if mccain wins id honestly move out of the country, i have family in spain i can live with for 4 years. That guy is insane, hes nothing but a warmonger and is riding the " i was a POW in vietnam" thing too much, and " I have experience". Experience doing what? From what i heard he paid off and gave up info to the vietnamese so he wouldnt be tortured, some war hero he was.

Barack Obama All The Way!

if mccain wins id honestly move out of the country, i have family in spain i can live with for 4 years. That guy is insane, hes nothing but a warmonger and is riding the " i was a POW in vietnam" thing too much, and " I have experience". Experience doing what? From what i heard he paid off and gave up info to the vietnamese so he wouldnt be tortured, some war hero he was.
Yeah. The whole war issue is kind of making me mad. "We will spend 100 years in Iraq until we win!" =.= There isn't that much of a deal in Iraq anymore, so, what the heck? Then again, I'm a peace activist, sooo...yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if someone had a totally different opinion than me.

I am not convinced that Hilary Or Obama will solve anything they are in too deep with the corporations. In fact you cannot get nominated unless you are in with the corporations.
I had my hopes set on Dennis Kucinich but he never had much chance...nor does Ron Paul.
Ralph Nader is running...but will anyone vote for him?
I mean.....We as a country...waste trillions of dollars on manufacturing weapons.
Thats more then All the other industrialized countries combined.......If we could slice the military budged by a third...we could afford Free Healthcare and Free Colleges and all the things this country and it's people need.
But Even if we could slice the Military budget...we're in too much debt to do anything about it........I'm hoping Obama....wins...maybe he'll do something.
But I'm just grasping at straws.

I hope Obama wins [although I'm not really rooting for him lol], but people are overlooking the fact that McCain is really a HIT with everyone else [if you disregard the media who seems to cover mainly the Democratic side only.] I think McCain does have an appeal to a lot of people, the Democratic party better keep a close eye on the dude, I think he can win [mainly cause he isn't a total Conservative...<.<]

I hope Obama wins [although I'm not really rooting for him lol], but people are overlooking the fact that McCain is really a HIT with everyone else [if you disregard the media who seems to cover mainly the Democratic side only.] I think McCain does have an appeal to a lot of people, the Democratic party better keep a close eye on the dude, I think he can win [mainly cause he isn't a total Conservative...<.<]

but the problem with McCain is that conservatives dont like him......and that is most of the republicans so they will either settle or they will vote for a democrate

but the problem with McCain is that conservatives dont like him......and that is most of the republicans so they will either settle or they will vote for a democrate
thing is, theyd probably vote for him anyways simply because he is declared to be a republican lol...doesnt matter if they like him or not XD...[thats how he got nomination so easily, cause he is liked/loved]

thats the part i think the democrats have to watch out for <.<...none of the democrats really get love like that >.>

NOTE TO ALL AMERICANS: Please just elect someone who represents your true beliefs, not just someone so stupid that you can easily blame them for your mistakes. "It wasn't us, it was Bush". Hmm.

I would like Obama to (like mst people). If McCain wins, the world will be messed up!

10 things you should know about John McCain (but probably don't):

1. John McCain voted against establishing a national holiday in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Now he says his position has "evolved," yet he's
continued to oppose key civil rights laws.

2. According to Bloomberg News, McCain is more hawkish than Bush on Iraq, Russia and China. Conservative columnist Pat Buchanan says McCain "will make Cheney look like Gandhi.

3. His reputation is built on his opposition to torture, but McCain voted against a bill to ban waterboarding, and then applauded President Bush for vetoing that ban.

4. McCain opposes a woman's right to choose. He said, "I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned.

5. The Children's Defense Fund rated McCain as the worst senator in Congress for children. He voted against the children's health care bill last year, then defended Bush's veto of the bill.

6. He's one of the richest people in a Senate filled with millionaires. The Associated Press reports he and his wife own at least eight homes! Yet McCain says the solution to the housing crisis is for people facing foreclosure to get a "second job" and skip their vacations.

7. Many of McCain's fellow Republican senators say he's too reckless to be commander in chief. One Republican senator said: "The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He's erratic. He's hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me.

8. McCain talks a lot about taking on special interests, but his campaign manager and top advisers are actually lobbyists. The government watchdog group Public Citizen says McCain has 59 lobbyists raising money for his campaign, more than any of the other presidential candidates.

9. McCain has sought closer ties to the extreme religious right in recent years. The pastor McCain calls his "spiritual guide," Rod Parsley, believes America's founding mission is to destroy Islam, which he calls a "false religion." McCain sought the political support of right-wing preacher John Hagee, who believes Hurricane Katrina was God's punishment for gay rights and called the Catholic Church "the Antichrist" and a "false cult.

10. He positions himself as pro-environment, but he scored a 0—yes, zero—from the League of Conservation Voters last year.

John McCain is not who the Washington press corps make him out to be.

I've learnt not to take things at face value, so I find myself doubting these claims.

But... I'd never support a republican anyway, let alone McCain ;P

well so far I'm going with Obama because hilary is acting liek a brat its either her way or the highway.

So Barrack wins. Yeah, this thread is dead. but I will revive it.


So I don't understand the hate of Ron Paul that was displayed early in the thread. I find it quite obvious that Ron Paul cares about America and knows that a limited government is the best government. BTW watch the best political video you will ever see: (Hint: it is about Ron Paul)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FG2PUZoukfA

if barac obama wins we actually have the first african-american / black president!! i seriously hope hillary duznt win ( she is too whiny) plus i have always wanted to see a black president in the u.s.a for once. shuld be a fun run for them both though.

marti810-where did you get those "facts?" //demands source despite the date of post >.>

hillary is said to endorse obama now

...vice perhaps? >.>...despite the "fierce" battles they had? lol XD...not like vice do much anyways but thats the "highest" she can get now

she aint going to be VP she does not want to be 2 nd in command she wants to be president. It says she will support obama but will keep her delegates. so i doubt she is going to be on the ticket as VP.

you never know <.<...making her vice can help obama get the votes he lost to her...and it was a pretty close race [unliketherepublicanside] so thats a lot of votes >.>

i still say its a possibility lol

i doubt it considerably hillary put up a hell of a fight and that earned my respect for her more than obama. obama is trying to play the role of a john f kennedy that how he comes off to me.

Hillary is stuborn she will hold her own and come back in four years. But the media was giving obama the edge in the election tho.

were you been og and happy bday as well.

its interesting you mentioned kennedy because i think it has something to do with how obama delivers his speeches...most of the time, they are good lol...and relating it to kennedy, we cant forget his infamous line "ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country."...perhaps obama's speeches will have the same type of effect in the future >.>

but if she is going to endorse obama then its pretty much putting everything aside and supporting him for this time around >.>...so the stubbornness isnt really there now lol...but then again there could be a number of reasons why she would want to endorse him after losing lol

hmmm you now the saying there is no wrath greater than a scorn woman? and about the kennedy and the future speeches from obama i dont really see them having the same impact as they did back in 1965.

His speeches had more meaning to the people back then in the 60s. Than they would us now a days. But we dont know what the election holds until november so lets get out and vote for what side we support.

im a woman, id know >.>....but i dont think that applies to hillary here...well it wouldnt be a wise decision anyways lol

but i think we both know the US in its current state...is not good....a good speech to motivate americans can be exactly what we need to get things going again...or at least start it up again >.>

ud be surprised at how far a good speech can get...<.<

but err enough with analyzing speeches, back to the race itself XD

you can tell were i stand on these race im going republican on this one. I just dont feel that obama has the guts to stand his ground against any possible global crisis that may present itself.

i dont think there are any more good presidents in the last 20 years since the end of the cold war all our the great presidents have gone the way of the dodo. there extinct.

you can say where u stand already? theres still plenty of info u have yet to learn about the candidates though.....

oh and people are worried mccain cant...stand physically later on lol XD...cause u know, he is old...some people fear he may die before his term is over despite his good health at the moment >.>

well i guess thats just a difference in opinion then

heck that only proves one thing the man has capability to live and he has good game. Check out his track record survived being held captive in vietnam for like 7 years. Check out the man wife better looking arm candy then what obama has.

Hehe just getting some laughs on the last comment.

well how much whiter can his hair get if come into office just look at bush how old he looks now and how many times he has fallen on his face and he's a major clutz and hes still alive.

i think senator mccain can live for 4 more years.

you can tell were i stand on these race im going republican on this one. I just dont feel that obama has the guts to stand his ground against any possible global crisis that may present itself.

i dont think there are any more good presidents in the last 20 years since the end of the cold war all our the great presidents have gone the way of the dodo. there extinct.
The last good president we had was George Washington. Maybe even Thomas Jefferson. The bottom line is that it isn't the governments job to be worrying about all the global crisis. That is our job as people. Stop handing over your power to the tyrants that are our political leaders!

I don't really like any of them.
Hilary is a demon sent to earth.
Obama, i'm not saying hes muslim cus he isn't, but a quote from his book is: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'
He also said:"I've now been in 57 states; I think one left to go."
is this the flag he's thinking of?http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd211/Narutodude444/obamaflagpin.jpg

I don't really like any of them.
Hilary is a demon sent to earth.
McCain is too old.
Obama, i'm not saying hes muslim cus he isn't, but a quote from his book is: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'
He also said:"I've now been in 57 states; I think one left to go."
is this the flag he's thinking of?http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd211/Narutodude444/obamaflagpin.jpg

Holy shit, dismissing a candidate for something as superficial as "he's too old" is just beyond me.

i didn't mean it like that. i just meant that if McCain was elected, people would start attacking his age. i would go with him if i had to choose.

Actually age is a fairly big concern. The man is not in the best of health and he's older too. Being the President is one of the most harrowing and aging jobs you can go through. Heck, just look at Bush from when he got elected back in 2000 and now look at him. Even after just two years he seemed older and had loads of gray hair.

So what's this mean if he already IS old? It means he could die in office. How fantastic would that be?


But besides his age, there are many other reasons not to vote for McCain this year. For one thing, he WILL DO exactly what Bush has been doing for 8 years. There will be no change in the administration and it'd just be inviting disaster. Are you happier now compared to 8 years ago?

Actually age is a fairly big concern. The man is not in the best of health and he's older too. Being the President is one of the most harrowing and aging jobs you can go through. Heck, just look at Bush from when he got elected back in 2000 and now look at him. Even after just two years he seemed older and had loads of gray hair.

So what's this mean if he already IS old? It means he could die in office. How fantastic would that be?


But besides his age, there are many other reasons not to vote for McCain this year. For one thing, he WILL DO exactly what Bush has been doing for 8 years. There will be no change in the administration and it'd just be inviting disaster. Are you happier now compared to 8 years ago?
...and then Ron Paul can't run in the next election...

I always found it interesting where Obama stated how "america is a great country" then a few minutes later in the same speach he said "i want to change America!" if its so great, whats to change?

without having read any of these comments i wanan say jsut one thing.. the american political system is very flawed. With their 2 party system there will always be a leader who believes i ndemocracy in power. With many people now trun to more liberal parties and idea, dont you think it we should develop a 3 party system like most european countries, with a right center and left wing parties, so that it is truly the peoples choice as to which party they want in power.

Now adays people only ahve a choice of right or right, which is not equal because no other party has a chance of takin office. And even if the ydid, you you really think the government would allow a left wing party to be in office? No, because its the government who ruibned the name of the left wing from the start.

I always found it interesting where Obama stated how "america is a great country" then a few minutes later in the same speach he said "i want to change America!" if its so great, whats to change?
Just because something is great doesn't mean it isn't flawed at all. Obama wants to hammer out those flaws.
without having read any of these comments i wanan say jsut one thing.. the american political system is very flawed. With their 2 party system there will always be a leader who believes i ndemocracy in power. With many people now trun to more liberal parties and idea, dont you think it we should develop a 3 party system like most european countries, with a right center and left wing parties, so that it is truly the peoples choice as to which party they want in power.
Actually, there are more than two parties. Thing is, they don't have enough funding to have huge campaigns like the Democrats and Republicans, but there's the Independent party, Green party, etcetera. They can get enough funding if they get enough votes during the presidential race, even if they don't win. They just need a certain percentage.

Anywhozit, onto my opinion: I think America's screwed either way. Obama isn't experienced enough to be president and McCain is old and probably crazy. Sure, it's entirely possible that one or the other will be a great president, I'm just saying it isn't very likely.

Actually, there are more than two parties. Thing is, they don't have enough funding to have huge campaigns like the Democrats and Republicans, but there's the Independent party, Green party, etcetera. They can get enough funding if they get enough votes during the presidential race, even if they don't win. They just need a certain percentage.

Anywhozit, onto my opinion: I think America's screwed either way. Obama isn't experienced enough to be president and McCain is old and probably crazy. Sure, it's entirely possible that one or the other will be a great president, I'm just saying it isn't very likely.

The system is flawed and it is undemocratic because of the influence that funding puts on a voter. Since these two parties are funded so much, people have to compromise the vote for the candidate they truly like in order for one who has some of their views and might win. That is not democracy. If anything, America is much more republic than democracy (for all the noobs this is not democrat vs repbulican.) I mean, look at me. I support Ron Paul's radical (But actually more conservative than anyone else's) views, but I know he will never win because he lost the Republican primary. Therefore, I have to pick between two candidates if I even want my views supported in the White House. So I have to pick Obama, who is for more socialism, something Ron Paul was completely against.

The system is flawed and it is undemocratic because of the influence that funding puts on a voter.
As my parents always said "people have a right to stupidity"
Since these two parties are funded so much, people have to compromise the vote for the candidate they truly like in order for one who has some of their views and might win. That is not democracy.
In a way you are right, but looking back, ALL elections were that way, the only problem is ever since the fall of the soviet union and the end of the cold war not many good leaders have popped up to guide this country and stray away from sissyness.
If anything, America is much more republic than democracy
Wait, what? go wiki Democracy and read what it says, then do the same for Republic.
for all the noobs this is not democrat vs repbulican.) I mean, look at me. I support Ron Paul's radical (But actually more conservative than anyone else's) views, but I know he will never win because he lost the Republican primary. Therefore, I have to pick between two candidates if I even want my views supported in the White House. So I have to pick Obama, who is for more socialism, something Ron Paul was completely against.
I myself am a Reaganist republican,(pretty much a bit more government control that the libertarian views) but I found all of the reagan republican candidites big wusses, saying anything to get elected, And like you I was a Ron Paul supporter, only guy who said something OTHER than what his speechwriter could find in Hills dumpster.

As my parents always said "people have a right to stupidity"
I don't think you get it. What I am saying pretty much has the same effect of not having the voters hidden when voting.

In a way you are right, but looking back, ALL elections were that way, the only problem is ever since the fall of the soviet union and the end of the cold war not many good leaders have popped up to guide this country and stray away from sissyness.
1st election wasn't.

Wait, what? go wiki Democracy and read what it says, then do the same for Republic.
The USA's government is defined by most to be a democratic-republic. I said that we are more republic, than democratic. This is because our country has taken more and more power on the people so all we really have is an impact on our leaders, and not so much our laws.

Obama's speech was pretty good; he said some riveting things. It'll be interesting to see how the GOP responds.

i watchd the john daily show a few time with in the last week......the demo's are really pushhing it to the limit bring out ever populare sen or sen husbands :p *(or even wifes) obama looks strong, real stong, i say the overall confrence looks really good. but i find it quickly boring after awile, ps the video intro's in this democratic convention are very badd, just badd

So what do you guys make of McCain's decision to randomly pick a small time Alaskan Gov. Sarah Palin, someone with very little experince on homeland security, military command experience, ect...? This is a decion made by a guy who scrutinized the Democratic party for nominating a guy for the same reasons, no experiance. On top of McCain is old and has a long history of medical issues and to choose a running mate with so little experience who could potentially become the commander and chief of this nation is very irresponsible on his part. I don't want to say anything offend McCain supporters but this just seems weird on his part because he only met her once before last year and again last month to extend to her the position of VP through a short meeting. What are your takes on this matter?

He did it to get votes from Hillary supporters.

I personally dont give a shit, but thats my opinion on our lovely and yet redkeck country, I mean thy USA is US Gay why do we have wannabe power hungry losers with no life running this country, Black president sure, Woman president sure, Mongolian president, now thats a way forward. GO Stars and Stripes and Spots and tartan XD

You know im not a Yank, but I hear it's not compulsary for you guys to vote... I have to vote tomorrow for a new Premier of Western Australia, and if i don't vote i get fined, where as you guys dont have to vote if you dont give a fuck, now i gotta take time outa my day to write on a piece of paper which guy i think is the lesser wanker, personally i think they are both on the same level....you know what fuck it im not going to vote, i don't like either of the dicks so why should i give points to some knob i dont even like. and i'd wish they'd get this Yank election over its taking space in my fkn newpaper under the world section, there has to be more happening than a buncha dicks rolling round in black cars kissing babies, which is a point i can bring up universally, well kind of, i want you guys to think about how often you hear bout some dick politician visiting sick people in hospital and kissing babies when there is nothing to do with an election going on, do these cunts think we are stupid or something?? surely they realise we notice that they only stand round in a hospital or retirement home during election, pfftt i think its safe to say all Politicians are wankers

You know im not a Yank, but I hear it's not compulsary for you guys to vote... I have to vote tomorrow for a new Premier of Western Australia, and if i don't vote i get fined, where as you guys dont have to vote if you dont give a fuck, now i gotta take time outa my day to write on a piece of paper which guy i think is the lesser wanker, personally i think they are both on the same level....you know what fuck it im not going to vote, i don't like either of the dicks so why should i give points to some knob i dont even like. and i'd wish they'd get this Yank election over its taking space in my fkn newpaper under the world section, there has to be more happening than a buncha dicks rolling round in black cars kissing babies, which is a point i can bring up universally, well kind of, i want you guys to think about how often you hear bout some dick politician visiting sick people in hospital and kissing babies when there is nothing to do with an election going on, do these cunts think we are stupid or something?? surely they realise we notice that they only stand round in a hospital or retirement home during election, pfftt i think its safe to say all Politicians are wankers
Look up Ron Paul. The "most honest man in congress." Though he is a US politician.

This election is scary !!!

How are the Democrats not ahead by a land slide ?? Have people not had enough of this crap for the last 8 years ??

Our economy is in the trash, people are losing their homes and health care and here we have Mccain and Palin who will continue the war on Iraq which was based on lies and completely demolished out economy and out standing on the world stage. How can people support this man ?? not only that what about the threat of a war with Iran ?? this is ridiculous. Are we leaving in a twilight zone ??

I do not agree with Obama on everything but at least he is sane enough to see what a horrible mistake this war is. thats why ill vote for him this year.

I really don't see the difference between Obama's foreign policy and McCains's. They both want to intervene with other nations, which is just as bad as staying in Iraq.

As far as the economy, both of their policies suck.

There are cases in which conflict is necessary. Obama is against unnecessary conflict, i.e. Iraq, whereas McCain is not. 100 year war, etc.

Hooray social liberalism. Obama will strengthen those ideals within the country. Freedom cannot prevail unless the citizens are taken care of by the government. Protection is not the only thing government is for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVLQhRiEXZs

how low can Mccain get....

There are cases in which conflict is necessary. Obama is against unnecessary conflict, i.e. Iraq, whereas McCain is not. 100 year war, etc.

Hooray social liberalism. Obama will strengthen those ideals within the country. Freedom cannot prevail unless the citizens are taken care of by the government. Protection is not the only thing government is for.

Iran and Darfur and Obama's Iraqs. Seriously, he has an interventionalist policy, which is highly flawed. We are going to still be putting sanctions and embargos on other nations. It is ludicrous.

Also, while I have no evidence to support this, violence is a never-ending cycle. The more we use it, the more danger we face in the future.

Iran and Darfur and Obama's Iraqs.


Darfur is not ‘another Iraq’. Claiming that not only undermines but also insults the millions who have died or suffer in the Sudan conflict, and their plight. Non-interventionism is untenable because it means choosing—entirely willingly—not to help those who are deprived of their rights on the basis of country borders. Genocide in Darfur is not just ‘their problem’; one has a responsibility of ensuring the rights of fellow human beings wherever possible.

It is sometimes said that the Jewish community lingers too much on the Holocaust; that it is behind us. However, it is clear that the world has not learned its lesson. The prime message of the continuing focus on and reminding of the Holocaust is never again, and apparently that’s a message that still hasn’t sunk in.

The point is not so narrow as accepting Jews and not persecuting them. The point is not only not to sink into bigotry and racial and ethnic profiling oneself and internally, but also to intervene and stop it from the outside.

Two of the greatest horrors of the Holocaust are how it was so successful because of the complicity of the ‘Volk’ and the inaction of the rest of the world and its legacy. For all their disgust, many who emphatically condemn the Holocaust act like those who played a part in it. The Holocaust was so successful because the rest of the world allowed the situation to brew and escalate.

Never forget the consequences of non-interventionism:

The Past

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Rows_of_bodies_of_dead_inmates_fill_the_ yard_of_Lager_Nordhausen%2C_a_Gestapo_co ncentration_camp.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a4/Holocaust123.JPG

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e6/Mass_Grave_Bergen_Belsen_May_1945.jpg

The Present

http://www.zionism-israel.com/darfur.jpg

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/DARFUR.CHILD.MURDERED.JPG

Undoubtedly there will be those who think that those images have no place here; that they are too extreme (even though there doesn't seem to be any rule explicitly prohibiting posting them). I would disagree. By confronting the hard and shocking truths that stem from the folly of non-interventionism and abandoning our fellow human beings, we may yet learn. Parroting condemnations without comprehending them is insufficient protection against the failings of the past.

Hmmm, I dunno.

I mean, true, a policy of total non-intervention under any circumstance, ever, wouldn't be the greatest policy in the world. And I agree that the world shouldn't just sit by and allow mass genocide of innocent people, and shit like that.

But at the same time, I would hope a government would look out for it's own citizen's well-being first and foremost. It really shouldn't risk lives of it's people needlessly waging wars that don't effect us, or spending money that could be better spent on it's own citizens to needlessly police other countries. Of course exceptions should apply; but they should be just that: exceptions, not the rule. Non-interventionism really isn't that bad of an idea.

mccain

1. im republican

2.with we havent had terrorists because of the war, if a democrat goes now theres at least 90 percent terrorists will attack the us

3.barack obama is friends with a guy who said he wanted to bomb the united states!!!
and is friends with terrorists!

4.a bunch of people are voting for him because their blaming the republicans (bush mostly) McCain is not president bush he will turn this arround

5. democrats are donkeys, and i dont vote for asses...

^ On that war issue.

My mother is a EventPlanner/ Travel Manager for Samsung Telecommunications.
And she had to take classes on this shit.

Don't go and say that "Lik3 1f w3 hav3 McCain, he lik3s war, so t3rroist w0nt attk."

No, with or without McCain there is a 90% chance they are going to try something again, and it's a high chance that they are going for something in Las Vegas.


Im hoping for Obama.


We need a president who can inspire Americans across all divides, whether republican or democrat, black, brown, or white, woman or man. We do not need one who appeals to our fears and fuels mutual distrust. We need a president who can ask all Americans to make the sacrifices necessary to change the course of this country. We do not need one who asks us to go shopping while we send our young soldiers off to make those sacrifices for us. We need a president who understands that the government is not about politicians, corporations, or lobbyists; it is about we the people. We need a president who requires us to think, inspires us to dream, and challenges us to take action. We do not need one who asks us to trust blindly, to consume thoughtlessly, to follow the status quo without question.
Do not underestimate the power of hope, of words that inspire. We are at a pivotal crossroads in this country. We can choose to continue down a path that will leave a legacy for our children of insurmountable debt, perpetual wars, and environmental collapse, or we can create change. Only one candidate seems to get that it is not about him or her, it is about us. “We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek.” For these reasons, the choice for the next president of our United States of America is clear.

I agree with Nic. I do think that's the role of our president. But NOT if that president is going to infringe on our civil liberties in the process. With all amounts of anti-war and anti-weapon that Obama is, it's not far off to see him taking away our 2nd amendment.

I'm Repub. My personal belief is that this nation needs a restart. A clean wipe of legislation. We've learned a lot since 1776 and we need to impliment that in a clear set of rules, rights and legislations not the current bullshit we have. There should be greater definitions as to what a president can do legally, greater definitions as to what congress and the senate HAVE to do (like not being out while VOTING is going on...dumbshits), and most of all what the people should and can do when their government is stepping out of place. The emphasis of the US was for the people by the people. Well OBVIOUSLY the people aren't getting what they want. Even I as a Republican am not happy with ALL of the things that President Bush has done. But what the hell can we do about it? Vote for some shmuck who has the experience of a Jnr. Senator and a Community Organizer? Or vote for some Geezer who is about to croak and would prefer to bailout the dumbass banks then let them fail and show the country what we're about? That's all we can do; EXCEPT march on Washington in a mad mob status. That's our options, as I see it. In the mean time I'll give my support to the man who keeps guns in my house and allows me to carry them, within sense, on the streets. Take away my weapons and we'll have problems.

obama won already fags

Miles T, your signature is very diturbing.

Miles T, your signature is very diturbing.

I mean your pics are.