Ok Myth and KYF here is your thread .. now stay your asses out of discussions lol..

GO GO GO

We couldve handle are pointless discussion in PM. Sighs, if i stop argueing he thinks hes won. If I dont then I still wont win becuase you cant prove an oppinion. Im S-O-L, lol.

well you two have your own thread now so argue away lol

silly asses

Itachi in his prime was strongest imo... but he fought Sasuke while he was dying.

Naruto and Sasuke are almost always equal.

When one of them gains a new ability or some shit the other does as well.

I would assume that if Sasuke mastered his Mangekyo Sharingan he should be stronger...wish he wasn't... but he should be.

I'll let you two duke it out for a couple of pages before admitting a tie.

Itachi in his prime was strongest imo... but he fought Sasuke while he was dying.

Naruto and Sasuke are almost always equal.

When one of them gains a new ability or some shit the other does as well.

I would assume that if Sasuke mastered his Mangekyo Sharingan he should be stronger...wish he wasn't... but he should be.

I'll let you two duke it out for a couple of pages before admitting a tie.

We are talking about myth and kyf they can do well over 10 pages lol

I never said sasuke was stronger than naruto. I just gave examples of sasuke strengths, abilities and compared them to narutos. Myths the one claiming whos stronger.

Well fuck head you are wrong because my data book signed by Kakashi himself said that Iruka is actually madara, who is ccontrolling peins since he is also nagato.

And sasuke has just been a transformed shadow clone since the beginning. SO HA!

I knew there was more to Iruka lol

Not to act like a Fanboy or anything...

Ill state one by one:

itachi

is damn skilled in Taijutsu and Genjutsu:

He could have defeated Sasuke even if Itachi was sick. rmember the last part? If he wanted to he could have taken both eyes out. Or his balls for that matter. Period.

sasuke has no way defeating his older brother...yet
but in full strength? maybe Sasuke can defeat him....in the future but not in this time line.

And for Naruto, even in sage mode and his improvisation in the battlefield. With Itachi's fast and almost invisible hand seals. Naruto even in sage mode can still be caught in Itachi's Mangekyo Sharingan. Which could slow him enough for Itachi to deliver 1 or 2 skills that can weaken or take out naruto's strength. possibly defeat him.

Itachi was shown to be an extraordinarily powerful ninja, and easily one of the strongest shinobi in Naruto, as demonstrated by his ability to easily defeat Deidara and Kakashi Hatake, as well as having his skill praised by several people including Madara Uchiha and Orochimaru, two of the strongest ninja in Naruto.

Sasuke later commented on this speed in Part II during his fight with Itachi, since Itachi was capable of forming hand seals without them being noticed by Sasuke, while he was throwing multiple shuriken and defending Sasuke's attacks at the same time. Itachi's combat style usually revolved around indirect attacks and deceptions.

BUT! Don't throw rocks @ me yet, basing on the reality of the Manga's fiction:

Itachi also suffered from an unknown sickness. This disease required him to take all kinds of medicines to prolong his life. Multiple use of the Mangekyo in a single battle would extremely weaken his physical body and caused internal bleeding. For Itachi to use Susanoo, a summoning which drains the life energy of its medium, for even a short period, would surely lead to his death.

Which naruto and sasuke has this fact to their advantage. Not much for Sasuke since it also drains him if he use Amatersu.

Sasuke

We should imply thought that after itachi took out or sealed orochimaru. sasuke does not have Orochimaru's snake related techniques as well as regenerative powers that allow him to heal at a much faster rate than usual.

Without that, I do no think that Sasuke can defeat Naruto in Sage Mode. with Shadow Clones as back-up?! 4x uses of Sage Mode?! and 2 dedicated to use rasenshuriken?
Can you honestly believe Sasuke can defeat that? Not even Pain could dodge and AoE effect of the long range Rasenshuriken...

naruto

Well he can defeat Sasuke in Sage Mode... but to be really sure to say this: He can pawn Sasuke in Sage Mode with 4 shadow clones as back-up.

But for Itachi...well, with Susanoo and MS?! and Amatersu...Maybe if nauto can survive that...He can defeat Itachi after all. But that's ONE BIG FUCKING step to make with lots of nails and borken glasses. hehehe


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Your date book sez iruka is madara?!

ARE YOU INSANE?!:confused:

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iruka

Most powerful Shinobi a.k.a. Madara a.k.a. Tobi a.k.a. Gamatatsu

OK, sasuke couldnt beat itachi if itachi actually wanted to win. However, the only difference between the two was that itachi had MS and sasuke didnt. Now though sasuke also has the MS, but somehow sasuke still isnt near itachis level. How? The Ms was the only reason sasuke couldnt have won. Sasukes speed, strength, skills and not to mention an element advantage raiton. Well, because if itachi used water it would just get him electracuted. IMO, sasuke is being underestimated.

As for naruto. All that power and stamina will not put out amaterasu or stop sasuke from punishing him in tsukuyomi for three days.

OK, sasuke couldnt beat itachi if itachi actually wanted to win. However, the only difference between the two was that itachi had MS and sasuke didnt. Now though sasuke also has the MS, but somehow sasuke still isnt near itachis level. How? The Ms was the only reason sasuke couldnt have won. Sasukes speed, strength, skills and not to mention an element advantage raiton. Well, because if itachi used water it would just get him electracuted. IMO, sasuke is being underestimated.

As for naruto. All that power and stamina will not put out amaterasu or stop sasuke from punishing him in tsukuyomi for three days.


Lol you just admited that Sasuke can only beat Naruto with Sharingan Haxx.

/thread

Lol you just admited that Sasuke can only beat Naruto with Sharingan Haxx.

/thread

Yeah, only the SG has hax. Narutos abilites are perfect.

Anyways, yes sasuke will need his MS against narutos SM. Naruto has super powers for crying out loud. Still, as I was saying. All of narutos power will not protect him from the MS. Its going to be MS VS SM and it will be epic.

Also, I was rereading about sasuke fight with deidara and damn is sasuke fast. Even deidara said he was too fast. Now, after seeing that I have no doubt sasuke is faster than naruto in SM.


http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/358/07/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/357/15/

Yeah, only the SG has hax. Narutos abilites are perfect.

Anyways, yes sasuke will need his MS against narutos SM. Naruto has super powers for crying out loud. Still, as I was saying. All of narutos power will not protect him from the MS. Its going to be MS VS SM and it will be epic.

Also, I was rereading about sasuke fight with deidara and damn is sasuke fast. Even deidara said he was too fast. Now, after seeing that I have no doubt sasuke is faster than naruto in SM.


http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/358/07/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/357/15/


lmfaooo so deidara is slow big deal lol minato was also said to best fast but thats because the others were slower then him...


Trust me ur an idiot beyond idiots non of ur points have any credibility to them and its been said by a lot of ppl ....

Itachi> sasuke thats all there is to it itachi wasn't trying and was sick point done.. he planned the fight down to a certain measure madara said this.... had itachi wanted to he would kill sasuke stated by madara.

He was only pushed that far buddy because he wanted to be pushed that far because he wanted to lose had he tried sasuke would never have pushed him that far.. what do u have to say now smart ass that itachi was trying lol

Naruto just took down 5 pains and i have showed everyone how he would have already won had it not been for PNJ u urself agreed.... i can pull it up if u'd like.

Pain admitted to naruto being strong and that if naruto stayed in sage mode he(pain) would be in trouble.


I remember the last sasuke naruto thing we had where EVERYONE agreed with me.. u said something about hell ur main point was that sasuke's sword could break through the sm barrier because sasuke infuses his chakra with it right..

Now when someone's chakra is stronger then sasuke's attack would fail logcially sasuke charges the sword with his chakra which has the lightining element naruto has the wind element all he would have to do is charge a kunai and he could easily break a lightning sword because lighting<wind.

Now before this time pain tried to pierce naruto with his rod right... but it broke right when naruto went into sage mode.

Here

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/433/07/, so we see that sage chakra is so powerful that pain's rod broke. And naruto didn't have a kunai in his hands which can be shown

HERE

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/433/08/ see the part where naruto kicks no kunai free hands.. and a kunai couldn't do it either because we saw how the instruments were all breaking when they tried to cut the rod.. so sage chakra was enough to shatter the rod.

So we have confirmed 2 things:

1 - if naruto where to charge his kunai with his wind chakra then sasuke lightning sword would fail and or break.

2 - that sage chakra is so strong naruto was able to break pains rod easily when sharp tools could not.

Now it is said sage chakra is stronger then regular chakra meaning the shinobi's natural chakra. Which is why all of ur abilties go so high up and u become very powerful.

So if naruto regular chakra can be infused with his kunai to break the lightning sword do TO naruto having the more POWERFUL CHAKRA, then why do u assume sage chakra which is > normal chakra couldn;t be enough to break sasuke's sword please explain this to us IF U CAN and please don't ramble about some weird shit stick to this topic for now.

So since i took ur lightning sword out of the picture lets move on what else did u say sasuke can use. Please do this in orderly fashion so people who read this can at least understand it even if barely lol. also do me a favor and for once instead of ranting out ur ass please post manga reference to ur claims..

lmfaooo so deidara is slow big deal lol minato was also said to best fast but thats because the others were slower then him...


Trust me ur an idiot beyond idiots non of ur points have any credibility to them and its been said by a lot of ppl ....

Itachi> sasuke thats all there is to it itachi wasn't trying and was sick point done.. he planned the fight down to a certain measure madara said this.... had itachi wanted to he would kill sasuke stated by madara.

He was only pushed that far buddy because he wanted to be pushed that far because he wanted to lose had he tried sasuke would never have pushed him that far.. what do u have to say now smart ass that itachi was trying lol

Naruto just took down 5 pains and i have showed everyone how he would have already won had it not been for PNJ u urself agreed.... i can pull it up if u'd like.

Pain admitted to naruto being strong and that if naruto stayed in sage mode he(pain) would be in trouble.


I remember the last sasuke naruto thing we had where EVERYONE agreed with me.. u said something about hell ur main point was that sasuke's sword could break through the sm barrier because sasuke infuses his chakra with it right..

Now when someone's chakra is stronger then sasuke's attack would fail logcially sasuke charges the sword with his chakra which has the lightining element naruto has the wind element all he would have to do is charge a kunai and he could easily break a lightning sword because lighting<wind.

Now before this time pain tried to pierce naruto with his rod right... but it broke right when naruto went into sage mode.

Here

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/433/07/, so we see that sage chakra is so powerful that pain's rod broke. And naruto didn't have a kunai in his hands which can be shown

HERE

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/433/08/ see the part where naruto kicks no kunai free hands.. and a kunai couldn't do it either because we saw how the instruments were all breaking when they tried to cut the rod.. so sage chakra was enough to shatter the rod.

So we have confirmed 2 things:

1 - if naruto where to charge his kunai with his wind chakra then sasuke lightning sword would fail and or break.

2 - that sage chakra is so strong naruto was able to break pains rod easily when sharp tools could not.

Now it is said sage chakra is stronger then regular chakra meaning the shinobi's natural chakra. Which is why all of ur abilties go so high up and u become very powerful.

So if naruto regular chakra can be infused with his kunai to break the lightning sword do TO naruto having the more POWERFUL CHAKRA, then why do u assume sage chakra which is > normal chakra couldn;t be enough to break sasuke's sword please explain this to us IF U CAN and please don't ramble about some weird shit stick to this topic for now.

So since i took ur lightning sword out of the picture lets move on what else did u say sasuke can use. Please do this in orderly fashion so people who read this can at least understand it even if barely lol. also do me a favor and for once instead of ranting out ur ass please post manga reference to ur claims..

You talk about how slow diedara is yet he was fast enough to fool naruto with a clay clone replacement, lol. Face it dude, sasuke has the speed advantage wether you like it or not.

I am impressed that devas rod broke on narutos arm, but whats this crap about those rods breaking kunai and stuff? You provided proof that naruto could brake a rod so wheres the proof that the rods break kunai and other hard stuff?

The only time naruto ever used wind with a kunai was in a filler so thats BS. You cant use Jutsu that naruto doesnt even have yet, lol.

OK, what did you prove? Yes, naruto has tough skin, but its wont matter against lightning element. If all your going to do is insult me and delude yourself that every body agrees with you and no one agrees with me, then your just proving your frustration of not being able to prove jack, lol.

Keep it civil!

You talk about how slow diedara is yet he was fast enough to fool naruto with a clay clone replacement, lol. Face it dude, sasuke has the speed advantage wether you like it or not.i never once said sauske was slower then deidara lol....

I am impressed that devas rod broke on narutos arm, but whats this crap about those rods breaking kunai and stuff? You provided proof that naruto could brake a rod so wheres the proof that the rods break kunai and other hard stuff?http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/418/14/ see the knives are all chipped and broken they cut so hard they made a hole in the table

The only time naruto ever used wind with a kunai was in a filler so thats BS. You cant use Jutsu that naruto doesnt even have yet, lol.http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/317/13/ lol that wasn't filler. naruto could do it.

OK, what did you prove? Yes, naruto has tough skin, but its wont matter against lightning element. Yeah i proved his sm could shattered a piece of metal that made other metal crack and break and that he can infuse his own chakra with a kunai to break sasuke's sword.. the chakra doesn't even have to be perfect wind beats lightning naturally.

So what other things did u say sasuke can do.

[QUOTE]i never once said sauske was slower then deidara lol....

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/418/14/ see the knives are all chipped and broken they cut so hard they made a hole in the table
Those were not kunai or combat wepons. Those were Medical tools used for surgery and stuff like that. Tools like that couldnt cut through bone let alone rods, lol. Seriously though, kunai and shurikan are thicker so they dont break in battle. You cant compare thin tools made for percision sergery.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/317/13/ lol that wasn't filler. naruto could do it.
Well damn! I thought that was all just filler stuff. However, asuma showing naruto how to fuse wind with his "chakra blade" thats made for such a jutsu
doesnt mean naruto can even do it. Wait a minute. Has he ever even used it besides in the filler with sora?
Yeah i proved his sm could shattered a piece of metal that made other metal crack and break and that he can infuse his own chakra with a kunai to break sasuke's sword.. the chakra doesn't even have to be perfect wind beats lightning naturally.
Whoa! Naruto putting some chakra into a chakra blade doesnt mean naruto can break sasukes sword. Also, the sword is made for lightning so its not just another sword. Meaning even if naruto can make a wind kunai it probaly still wont brake it.

My biggest point. Hows naruto with a little kunai going to even compete with sasuke and his kitana sword? Narutos kunai skills are at best average while sasukes clearly very skilled with a sword. Naruto would need a wind zanpakto to compete with sasukes sword skills IMO.

So what other things did u say sasuke can do.
Uuum, what else can sasuke do? Well, do you want to discuss sasukes strategising abilties again or did we pretty much cover that a couple of months ago?

Edit: I appreciate you keeping it civil.

Those were not kunai or combat wepons. Those were Medical tools used for surgery and stuff like that. Tools like that couldnt cut through bone let alone rods, lol. Seriously though, kunai and shurikan are thicker so they dont break in battle. You cant compare thin tools made for percision sergery.U don't know how thick those tools were so u can't say anything the fact is they were mad of metal and fyi there are medical tools that can slice through a bone with ease...


Well damn! I thought that was all just filler stuff. However, asuma showing naruto how to fuse wind with his "chakra blade" thats made for such a jutsu
doesnt mean naruto can even do it. Wait a minute. Has he ever even used it besides in the filler with sora?doesn't matter the fact is he can do it all that is needed is his chakra not the kunai lol.

Whoa! Naruto putting some chakra into a chakra blade doesnt mean naruto can break sasukes sword. Also, the sword is made for lightning so its not just another sword. Meaning even if naruto can make a wind kunai it probaly still wont brake it.U don't get it do u it doesn't have to break lightning chakra is weak against wind based chakra thus sasuke's sword won't be able to do jack.. a kunai itself can sheild against a sword naruto would only add his chakr ainto to canel out sasuke lightning chakra.

My biggest point. Hows naruto with a little kunai going to even compete with sasuke and his kitana sword? Narutos kunai skills are at best average while sasukes clearly very skilled with a sword. Naruto would need a wind zanpakto to compete with sasukes sword skills IMO.Uaren't getting it this is what makes me pissed all the time the fact is u don't need a powerful weapon to defend against a sword a regular kunai can easily defend against a sword.. the thing is sasuke' sword can cut through it because of him adding his lightning chakra to it. Naruto's chakra is wind based so all that lightning won't do jack shit if naruto just sends his chakra into a kunai. it doesn't need t be perfect like asuma's just him injecting it will be enough the elemental advantage will do the rest.


Uuum, what else can sasuke do? Well, do you want to discuss sasukes strategising abilties again or did we pretty much cover that a couple of months ago?yes SINCE UR SWORD THING PRETTY MUCH FAILS i would like u to post other points so i can tear them down. U have yet to prove to me or the readers how sasuke's lightning sword can beat a wind chakra kunai wind>lightning thats all there is to it. the fact that u don't remember much of what the manga has shown make ur words much less credible then they already are.

I have already proved and supported why sasukes sword is useless.

1 - by naruto adding his own chakra into a weapon he can take care or shield from sasuke's sword, like killer bee took care of sasuke's sword by injecting his own chakra into his own sword he canceled the effect of his chidori katana.

2 - sage chakra is more powerful then regular chakra so sasuek wind based sword won;t be able to break through cause his chakra is weaker then sage chakra.

Myth this guy is just embaressed really, he has nothing. Bleach fillers are FILLERS, if you want I can go through the original all the way up to shippuden and link these so called fillers to the main storyline. The manga in naruto hits on the main points, it guts away the touchy feely stuff, and the anime fleshes it out, your filler nonsense only hold weight with Bleach.

SM activates the whole body, you become more durable, heightened and strengthed. Even if Sasuke added shunshin no jutsu to enhance his speed, naruto was using pure speed in SM. You're are comparing Deidara's eyes to Nagato's. The rods broke on naruto but peirced Jiraiya, he has NE, but did not have the full benefits of it being balanced. The only thing more naruto needs is experience. I hope he takes this asswhupping and develop jutsu around these weaknesses, like making more clones, but smaller rasengans. If smaller rasengans can take out the bodies, why not add a little wind element to it. If two THROWABLE RS causes him to revert back, they would only be useful if HG and DEVA were out the way first. Only viable option would be to use jutsus that would split the bodies up , and and deal with them one on one. He went with his trump card way too soon, SM is becoming a crutch as well. His normal chakra should be enough, just keep learning everything he can with his clones, and perhaps when he learn who his dad is, let kakashi maybe shed some insight on how he used his chakra to get so damn fast. All he needs is that Yondaime speed, Nagato still has alot to learn too.

itachi>naruto>sasuke

Trust me guys the whole forum could agree this kid is a brick wall for brains...

Actually popion i think if itachi wanted to fight unlike against sasuke vs sage mode naruto that would be a hell of a fight do u think.

I think Itachi would even pwn naruto in sage mode

I think Itachi would even pwn naruto in sage mode

Idk lol both him and jiraiya would put up a serious fight but i think naruto can take em both in a 1 on 1 but they would def give him a run for his money. the difference between these 3 and god pain is that they have versatility other then shinara tensei and bansho tennin pain has nothing lol these 3 have a variety of moves and powerful ones at that.

But idk even pain the "god" admitted to naruto pushing him further then anyone before hanzo jiraiya so that says a lot.

Naruto could give him a run for his money yeah but i just dont know. Itachi was almost at god status sick.. so healthy he would be unbelievable.. not to mention Itachi never gave his all but what little he did give was huge.

[QUOTE]U don't know how thick those tools were so u can't say anything the fact is they were mad of metal and fyi there are medical tools that can slice through a bone with ease...I know. STill, I didnt see a bone saw, lol. they look like percision tools made for surgery or something along those lines.

doesn't matter the fact is he can do it all that is needed is his chakra not the kunai lol.
Naruto doesnt have a fuuton nagashi. Either way you counting out sasuke fire element.

U don't get it do u it doesn't have to break lightning chakra is weak against wind based chakra thus sasuke's sword won't be able to do jack.. a kunai itself can sheild against a sword naruto would only add his chakr ainto to canel out sasuke lightning chakra.
NO, I understant the weakness of lightning against wind. From what I remember, Oro gave sasuke that sword because it was special or something. And seeing how Oro knows his swords "sword of the grass that could even hurt the genma staff". I seriously doubt sasukes sword is a average sword. Do you see my ponit? Ill go find somemore info on the sword.

Uaren't getting it this is what makes me pissed all the time the fact is u don't need a powerful weapon to defend against a sword a regular kunai can easily defend against a sword.. the thing is sasuke' sword can cut through it because of him adding his lightning chakra to it. Naruto's chakra is wind based so all that lightning won't do jack shit if naruto just sends his chakra into a kunai. it doesn't need t be perfect like asuma's just him injecting it will be enough the elemental advantage will do the rest.
By the same logic. Your saying some have ass lightning can pierce earth syle?This gets us on the subject of skill again. Just as sasuke was able to over come tsukuyomi with just his SG and a power boost. Sasukes perfectly, powerful lightning element could likely do the same.

A half ass wind kunai will stop a half ass lighting kunai. However, sasukes skill with lightning element may even be better than kakashis "its debateable".

yes SINCE UR SWORD THING PRETTY MUCH FAILS i would like u to post other points so i can tear them down. U have yet to prove to me or the readers how sasuke's lightning sword can beat a wind chakra kunai wind>lightning thats all there is to it. the fact that u don't remember much of what the manga has shown make ur words much less credible then they already are.Your whole arguement is based on a jutsu weve never even seen naruto use, lol. If naruto can perfectly fuse his wind chakra in a weapon then yes. It will overcome sasukes chidori sword. But, my whole arguement has been that naruto didnt show he could du the jutsu exept in a filler which you yourself said "fillers dont count, it wasnt in the manga".

I have already proved and supported why sasukes sword is useless.

1 - by naruto adding his own chakra into a weapon he can take care or shield from sasuke's sword, like killer bee took care of sasuke's sword by injecting his own chakra into his own sword he canceled the effect of his chidori katana. KB had lightning elemnet also.
2 - sage chakra is more powerful then regular chakra so sasuek wind based sword won;t be able to break through cause his chakra is weaker then sage chakra. What? Are you saying sasukes chidori sword wont be able to cut naruto in half becuase naruto has sage chakra. Eveb without the wind element?

Again, you keep forgeting about sasukes fire element thst what? Yes, kicks winds ass. Naruto uses wind to block sasukes lightning. However, sasuke uses his fire to overcome his wind. There! Sasuke still has the advantage.

Myth this guy is just embaressed really, he has nothing. Bleach fillers are FILLERS, if you want I can go through the original all the way up to shippuden and link these so called fillers to the main storyline. The manga in naruto hits on the main points, it guts away the touchy feely stuff, and the anime fleshes it out, your filler nonsense only hold weight with Bleach.

SM activates the whole body, you become more durable, heightened and strengthed. Even if Sasuke added shunshin no jutsu to enhance his speed, naruto was using pure speed in SM. You're are comparing Deidara's eyes to Nagato's. The rods broke on naruto but peirced Jiraiya, he has NE, but did not have the full benefits of it being balanced. The only thing more naruto needs is experience. I hope he takes this asswhupping and develop jutsu around these weaknesses, like making more clones, but smaller rasengans. If smaller rasengans can take out the bodies, why not add a little wind element to it. If two THROWABLE RS causes him to revert back, they would only be useful if HG and DEVA were out the way first. Only viable option would be to use jutsus that would split the bodies up , and and deal with them one on one. He went with his trump card way too soon, SM is becoming a crutch as well. His normal chakra should be enough, just keep learning everything he can with his clones, and perhaps when he learn who his dad is, let kakashi maybe shed some insight on how he used his chakra to get so damn fast. All he needs is that Yondaime speed, Nagato still has alot to learn too.

This wouldve hurt my feelings if you actually mattered, lol. Myth himself said fillers dont count. I was going by his words so dont go around butting into debates you dont uderstand please.

This wouldve hurt my feelings if you actually mattered, lol. Myth himself said fillers dont count. I was going by his words so dont go around butting into debates you dont uderstand please.

First off sorry for butting in. Second why did you double post instead of editing your previous one? And third just admit that as of right now Sasuke can't take Naruto. The only way I see Naruto getting messed up by sasuke is either if Naruto is at a disadvatange of some sort (posioned,etc.) or Sasuke gets a fucking decent power up.

I like both of them but Naruto is starting to come into his own. It's about time people stop remembering all his screw ups and old stats. This is basically a whole new Naruto. Can you imagine if he increases his clones holding sage chakra or make it infinite. lol

Naruto doesnt have a fuuton nagashi. Either way you counting out sasuke fire element.Lol he doesn't need fuuton nagashi lmaoo bro do u make shit up as u write please tell me.. Anywhoo i told u before sasuke's katon is pathetic they are C rank moves and naruto can easily dodge it he has done so before in the Valley of the end fight.

NO, I understant the weakness of lightning against wind. From what I remember, Oro gave sasuke that sword because it was special or something. And seeing how Oro knows his swords "sword of the grass that could even hurt the genma staff". I seriously doubt sasukes sword is a average sword. Do you see my ponit? Ill go find somemore info on the sword.
Another difference between u and I when u post u don't provide any proof u just proved that here when u said i have to go check up about the sword, don't bother i'll tell u all about it. Sasuke's sword is bootlegged version of orochimaru's kusangi however unlike oro's sword he can not control it without holding it meaning, if oro were to drop his sword he can use his fingers to direct it back to him sasuke cannot do that because it's not the real kusangai. A regular sword like his isn't dangerous at all a puny kunai can stop it.. however he charges his sword with his lightning chakra thus making it able to cut through most things easily. But lighting is weak against wind puny or not puny if naruto charges his kunai with wind chakra sasuke's sword will be cut due to the elemental advantage.

This gets us on the subject of skill again. Just as sasuke was able to over come tsukuyomi with just his SG and a power boost. Sasukes perfectly, powerful lightning element could likely do the same.No it cannot u see u fail to realize that sasuke's elemnt could be lighting times 1 million naruto's wind element could be at -5 and it will still win because lighting<wind. There is no overcoming anything ur using a case such as a dojutsu overcoming another dojutsu for something like lightning overcoming wind please it won't work that's final.. it's in the manga u love so much.. check it up.

A half ass wind kunai will stop a half ass lighting kunai. However, sasukes skill with lightning element may even be better than kakashis "its debateable".
what does that have to do with anything lol once again randomly throwing in so crap and not finishing your sentence or thought. Wind beats lighting end of story a stronger element will not lose against a weaker one. Just like sasuke's fire element beats a wind element naruto wind beats sasuke's lightning.

Your whole arguement is based on a jutsu weve never even seen naruto use, lol. If naruto can perfectly fuse his wind chakra in a weapon then yes. It will overcome sasukes chidori sword. But, my whole arguement has been that naruto didnt show he could du the jutsu exept in a filler which you yourself said "fillers dont count, it wasnt in the manga".It's not a filler lol this is why people laugh at u rofll, naruto is able to charge his chakra with a weapon i showed u the link just because he hasn't used it doesn't mean he can't because he clearly can i showed that already. All he needs to do is charge a kunai with his chakra if sasuke's sword hits it it will break due to the lighting element being weaker then wind. It's simple like the abc's.




What? Are you saying sasukes chidori sword wont be able to cut naruto in half becuase naruto has sage chakra. Eveb without the wind element?Yup its stated in the manga that sage chakra is more powerful the a shinboi's regular chakra, meaning sage chakra >naruto chakra which is wind based.. wind>lighting ,sage>>naruto's chakra>sasukes chakra. naruto would just break the sword as he did with pain's rod because sage chakra is charged through out his entire body.

Again, you keep forgeting about sasukes fire element thst what? Yes, kicks winds ass. Naruto uses wind to block sasukes lightning. However, sasuke uses his fire to overcome his wind. There! Sasuke still has the advantage.Sasuke cannot infuse fire with his sword if he could have he would do it by now u see now ur just saying things that never happened and never will happen.. If sasuke can infuse his sword with fire then yes it would break through naruto's wind but he can't or at least he never did.. and even then it goes back to naruto's other defense sage chakra which is stronger then any other shinboi's chakra stated in the manga.

So far u have yet to provide any proof to support ur claims still waiting though lol.

OK on Naruto (if he could reach sage mode in this fight) vs Itachi (in good health)

I know most lean toward Itachi even I have to admit Naruto needs to train a bit more. But I started thinking If you are less effected by eye jutsus in sm. I mean when Itachi and Kisame came across Jariaya he wanted to run and not deal with him. Ok, what I'm really trying to say is sage mode enough to push Itachi to use Susano? (i forget the requirements for Susano so plz don't roast me)

OK on Naruto (if he could reach sage mode in this fight) vs Itachi (in good health)

I know most lean toward Itachi even I have to admit Naruto needs to train a bit more. But I started thinking If you are less effected by eye jutsus in sm. I mean when Itachi and Kisame came across Jariaya he wanted to run and not deal with him. Ok, what I'm really trying to say is sage mode enough to push Itachi to use Susano? (i forget the requirements for Susano so plz don't roast me)

Susanoo can be used after u use amaterasu and tsukuyomi then u can activate susanoo.. Naruto in sage mode would push itachi far even if itachi didn't want to get pushed.. due to three factors.

1 - power/ naruto's power is amazing he can pretty much lay out most people if he really gives it his all in a punch.

2 - Jutsu/ naruto jutsu is very powerful especially in sage mode ultimate rasengans summons flying rasenshuriken.

3 - taijutsu / deadliest of all if itachi fought him hand to hand he would lose quick because even if he mangaes to dodge the hits naruto's natural energy still delivers the same blow.

Itachi's only way to win here is by going long range which could be hard cause naruto will def push for taijutsu he can throw rasenshruikens and then while itachi is busy trying to dodge em he can use his speed to get close and flaten him. Genjutsu isn't a factor cause of how good naruto's control is he can break it tsukuyomi would pose a big threat unless naruto has someone with him which a summon can help.. if he summons fukasaku and shima like jiraiya did itachis' done for.

Same goes for jiraiya even in hermit mode naruto can beat him.. but that's just because naruto became so good.

[QUOTE]Lol he doesn't need fuuton nagashi lmaoo bro do u make shit up as u write please tell me.. Anywhoo i told u before sasuke's katon is pathetic they are C rank moves and naruto can easily dodge it he has done so before in the Valley of the end fight.

If you would pay attention youwould know I saying if naruto uses wind then sasuke will counter. Not just throw a jutsu.
Another difference between u and I when u post u don't provide any proof u just proved that here when u said i have to go check up about the sword, don't bother i'll tell u all about it. Sasuke's sword is bootlegged version of orochimaru's kusangi however unlike oro's sword he can not control it without holding it meaning, if oro were to drop his sword he can use his fingers to direct it back to him sasuke cannot do that because it's not the real kusangai. A regular sword like his isn't dangerous at all a puny kunai can stop it.. however he charges his sword with his lightning chakra thus making it able to cut through most things easily. But lighting is weak against wind puny or not puny if naruto charges his kunai with wind chakra sasuke's sword will be cut due to the elemental advantage.Sue me! I forgot to look up the info. Either way sasuke sword specialy made for lighting element.

OK, again I bring up the fact that even if naruto can charge a kunai with wind in battle. Naruto doesnt have the skill to use it. Sasukes weapon has two feet on his. Plus, sasukes fights like a master with his sword. How is naruto going to block an attack from sasuke sword with a puny kunai? Sasukes speed and skill would shread naruto with a kunai so having the elemental advantage doesnt mean poo if you cant use it. Dont say "well, naruto can" because you know hes not skilled with a kunai. Now, if naruto had zanpakto then Id agree with you.

No it cannot u see u fail to realize that sasuke's elemnt could be lighting times 1 million naruto's wind element could be at -5 and it will still win because lighting<wind. There is no overcoming anything ur using a case such as a dojutsu overcoming another dojutsu for something like lightning overcoming wind please it won't work that's final.. it's in the manga u love so much.. check it up.
What kind of logic is that? Naruto with a half ass wind kunai could block SM sasukes chidori sword? LOL! As I already said, sasuke proved that a weaker wepon can overcome a stronger one with skill and power. Does BREAK TSUKUYOMI ring a bell? How can you argue that? It as you say "a manga fact", right?

what does that have to do with anything lol once again randomly throwing in so crap and not finishing your sentence or thought. Wind beats lighting end of story a stronger element will not lose against a weaker one. Just like sasuke's fire element beats a wind element naruto wind beats sasuke's lightning.
AGreed! however, were on the subject of a wind kunai. I already admitted that narutos wind could beat sasukes lightning. However, you dismissed sasukes fire element of being wek yet you believe that negative five element can overcome plus 100? That would work for fire too you know.

It's not a filler lol this is why people laugh at u rofll, naruto is able to charge his chakra with a weapon i showed u the link just because he hasn't used it doesn't mean he can't because he clearly can i showed that already. All he needs to do is charge a kunai with his chakra if sasuke's sword hits it it will break due to the lighting element being weaker then wind. It's simple like the abc's.LOL! You showed me naruto taking five minutes out of his day to try and charge a "chakra blade" thats made for such a jutsu and it was still half ass. Exept in the filler, right. You cant take one try on a chakra blade as a skill naruto can perform in combat.


Yup its stated in the manga that sage chakra is more powerful the a shinboi's regular chakra, meaning sage chakra >naruto chakra which is wind based.. wind>lighting ,sage>>naruto's chakra>sasukes chakra. naruto would just break the sword as he did with pain's rod because sage chakra is charged through out his entire body.
Yes, SC is stronger than regular and makes naruto durable. However, pointed out by madness3000 "sorry, cant remember the whole name" naruto swated the rod with his arm making it brake. Yes, naruto is durable, but not durable enough to stand still and have rods break off of him like superman, lol.

Sasuke cannot infuse fire with his sword if he could have he would do it by now u see now ur just saying things that never happened and never will happen.. If sasuke can infuse his sword with fire then yes it would break through naruto's wind but he can't or at least he never did.. and even then it goes back to naruto's other defense sage chakra which is stronger then any other shinboi's chakra stated in the manga.
Thats not what I meant. You keep taking my sentences out of context. I said if naruto charges his kunai with wind then sasuke could just counter with fire, meaning, sasuke shoots fire at the kunai leaving it wind free and easy pickens for sasukes chidori sword. Do you see what Im trying to say Here?

So far u have yet to provide any proof to support ur claims still waiting though lol.What do you want proof of? Be specific!

DO I have to provide a link for common knowledge of sasukes abilites or what?

Sauron

First off sorry for butting in. Second why did you double post instead of editing your previous one? And third just admit that as of right now Sasuke can't take Naruto. The only way I see Naruto getting messed up by sasuke is either if Naruto is at a disadvatange of some sort (posioned,etc.) or Sasuke gets a fucking decent power up.

I like both of them but Naruto is starting to come into his own. It's about time people stop remembering all his screw ups and old stats. This is basically a whole new Naruto. Can you imagine if he increases his clones holding sage chakra or make it infinite. lol

How can you say for sure that naruto can take sasuke? You dont know, I dont know. You and Myth can critisise me all you want, but it rather arrogant to say "you know who will win".

ALso, itachi wasnt scared of Jman when they fought. Itachi didnt want to fight because he was a secret allie of konaha. A double agent.

Sauron

First off sorry for butting in. Second why did you double post instead of editing your previous one? And third just admit that as of right now Sasuke can't take Naruto. The only way I see Naruto getting messed up by sasuke is either if Naruto is at a disadvatange of some sort (posioned,etc.) or Sasuke gets a fucking decent power up.

I like both of them but Naruto is starting to come into his own. It's about time people stop remembering all his screw ups and old stats. This is basically a whole new Naruto. Can you imagine if he increases his clones holding sage chakra or make it infinite. lol

How can you say for sure that naruto can take sasuke? You dont know, I dont know. You and Myth can critisise me all you want, but it rather arrogant to say "you know who will win".

ALso, itachi wasnt scared of Jman when they fought. Itachi didnt want to fight because he was a secret allie of konaha. A double agent.

OK Konnaha_yellow_flash, time to reveal my secret. Kishi is my bed mate. There i said it, are you finally happy?

I get your point but that should only apply at certain times and this isn't one of them. Just like i said in the past when Naruto and Sasuke met up in part 2 you know who was going to fuck who up. I mean Naruto and Sasuke really didn't go at it but it's safe to say Sasuke would've wooped his ass. Right now we are at a point where Naruto is basically evening out with a main badass force. Regardless of who is stronger Naruto pushed him this far proves that he will most likely win.

If Naruo gets struck by tsukuyomi, his body shouldn't be able to move, right?
So he could gathere natural chakra will under the effect of tsukuyomi?

OK on Naruto (if he could reach sage mode in this fight) vs Itachi (in good health)

I know most lean toward Itachi even I have to admit Naruto needs to train a bit more. But I started thinking If you are less effected by eye jutsus in sm. I mean when Itachi and Kisame came across Jariaya he wanted to run and not deal with him. Ok, what I'm really trying to say is sage mode enough to push Itachi to use Susano? (i forget the requirements for Susano so plz don't roast me)

I have to agree with KYF there. Itachi ran from Jiraiya so his cover wouldnt get blown. Yeah at first we thought it was because itachi was scared of him till we found out Itachi's true reason for being in akatsuki.

[QUOTE]OK Konnaha_yellow_flash, time to reveal my secret. Kishi is my bed mate. There i said it, are you finally happy? I dont mean to hurt your feeling on V-day, but I think Kishi is cheating on you with Myth, lol. Myth just knows to many facts about the manga none of us know.

I get your point but that should only apply at certain times and this isn't one of them. Just like i said in the past when Naruto and Sasuke met up in part 2 you know who was going to fuck who up. I mean Naruto and Sasuke really didn't go at it but it's safe to say Sasuke would've wooped his ass. Right now we are at a point where Naruto is basically evening out with a main badass force. Regardless of who is stronger Naruto pushed him this far proves that he will most likely win.

OK, I see your point. Still, each have their own advantages. Naruto has the power and stamina advantage. Sasuke has the speed, skill, strategy, genjutsu, and one element advantage. Its true that even with less advantages that naruto could win. However, sasukes strategy advantage is the most important advantage IMO. Being able to out smart you opponent is the greatest weapon of all.

Here, lets size them up.

Strength: Naruto has a big advantage, but speed counters strength. Power means nothing if you cant hit your target.

Speed: sasuke has this advantage. And sice naruto doesnt have the skill to counter sasukes speed "the ability to anticipate, time and counter" sasuke has this full advantage.

Power: NAruto has this advantage. And since sasuke doesnt have the stamina to wear naruto down he cant counter narutos stamina. However, if naruto gets caught in tsukuyomi. He wont only be drained of stamina. He will be in a coma. So, naruto has this full advantage exept for Sasukes tsukuyomi that could counter it.

Stamina: NAruto clearly has this advantage, but this is something else tsukuyomi could counter. Also, skill can counter stamina by making naruto waste chakra from throwing jtsu at sasuke that he will just anticapate and avoid.

Intelligence and strategy: WHile naruto has shown two decent startegies. One against zabuza and the other against pain. Sasukes able to plan further ahead and more analytical that allows him to cease more advantages.

Ninjutsu: NAruto has huge rasengans, ass load of KBs and a RS. Sasuke has fire element that overcome wind that overcomes sasukes lightinig. However, sasuke has better comrol over lightning thannaruto has over wind "A RS and gush of wind is all naruto can do". Plus, amaterasu. Still, we'll give this advantage to naruto. Not by much though.

Taijutsu: Naruto with his frog katas are very effective , but sasuke uses a sword to fight that gives him the reach advantage. ALso, even if naruto can use a wind kunai theres no way he would be skilled enough to use it against sasukes sword skills.

Genjutsu: Sasuke! Enough said, lol

There they each have four advantages. This is the only thing you can say for sure. Not who will win. Naruto could be on a terain thats more advatageous to him and his jutsu while sasuke could have the same. So many factors applly in battle thats its foolish to say for sure who will win.

If Naruo gets struck by tsukuyomi, his body shouldn't be able to move, right?
So he could gathere natural chakra will under the effect of tsukuyomi?

Sorry for the double post. I didnt have room on the other post.

Naruto cant do anything like gather NE to try and break tsukuyomi because tsukuyomi puts you in coma in a second flat. Three days only go by in the genjutsu. The only reason KB broke out was because the hachibi wasnt effected and used his huge power to break the genjutsu.

OK, again I bring up the fact that even if naruto can charge a kunai with wind in battle. Naruto doesnt have the skill to use it. Sasukes weapon has two feet on his. Plus, sasukes fights like a master with his sword. How is naruto going to block an attack from sasuke sword with a puny kunai? Sasukes speed and skill would shread naruto with a kunai so having the elemental advantage doesnt mean poo if you cant use it. Dont say "well, naruto can" because you know hes not skilled with a kunai. Now, if naruto had zanpakto then Id agree with you.Naruto could use the wind element in battle lmfao please answer me this just once when did u start reading the manga by the way u post i would say not so long ago. Yamato clearly says if naruto would split the water fall he can use wind element in battle that is shown when naruto uses futton and yamato uses suiton to create "water typhoon" naruto used RAW WIND ELEMENT. U don't get it do u the size of the weapon does not matter its the elemental chakra that makes the difference, sasuke sword is nothing special, he just charges his chakra with it thus making it able to cut through most things. But he cannot cut something that is infused with wind because WIND BEATS LIGHTING sasuke can be the biggest master in swordsmanship he can be the go to guy to learn sword trianing however naruto's infused weapon will beat his sword any day of the week because wind>lighting.







LOL! You showed me naruto taking five minutes out of his day to try and charge a "chakra blade" thats made for such a jutsu and it was still half ass. Exept in the filler, right. You cant take one try on a chakra blade as a skill naruto can perform in combat.WAT????????? I CAN'T UNDERSTAND ONE WORD HERE. Naruto doesn't need to be skilled in this art omfgggggg i swear its like trying o explain 1+1=2 to a 20 year old and him not getting it wow.. WIND BEATS LIGHTING OK U UNDERSTAND THIS WRITE OK LET'S GO ON.. SASUKE UR FAVORITE CHRACTER THE ONE UR SO FUCKIGN THICK ON CAN BE SKILLED AS MUCH AS HE WANTS BUT HIS CHAKRA IS WEAKER THEN NARUTO'S CHAKRA SO THUS WHEN THEY COLLIDE NARUTO'S WILL WIN. DID ME EXPLAIN IT U THE RIGHT WAY ...:mad:


Yes, SC is stronger than regular and makes naruto durable. However, pointed out by madness3000 "sorry, cant remember the whole name" naruto swated the rod with his arm making it brake. Yes, naruto is durable, but not durable enough to stand still and have rods break off of him like superman, lol.LOL NARUTO CAN DO THE SAME TO SASUKE'S SWORD BECAUSE SC>NORMAL CHAKRA thus sasuke's lighting katan won't be able to do jack shit. get that


Thats not what I meant. You keep taking my sentences out of context. I said if naruto charges his kunai with wind then sasuke could just counter with fire, meaning, sasuke shoots fire at the kunai leaving it wind free and easy pickens for sasukes chidori sword. Do you see what Im trying to say Here?Nobody can understand u because u can't type normally i am not saying i am worlds best typer but i can at least make sure a person can read and understand it. Im not arguign that sasuke can't shoot the kunai down with fire wtf makes u think naruto will stand still and let him lol ur an idiot thats all.



DO I have to provide a link for common knowledge of sasukes abilites or what?
there is no link u nimrod u haven't provided shit u never do none of ur stuff are credible that's why nobody agrees with u..


This is how u know that naruto can for sure take down sasuke with ease.

When they first met everyone said sasuke>naruto right because of what we saw im sure ur dumbass said the same thing and nobody argued because it was clear who would win if they fought back then... Just like now its clear who would win why because of what WE SAW now. he made pain look like a little bitch he would have won 2 chapters ago had it not been for skihimoto's plot crap i already explained how yesterday. Pain admitted to naruto being very strong that he was never pushed as far as naruto pushed him a man who killed both hanzo and jiraiya said this.. jiraiya>sasuke with eye closed.

Naruto is only doing so well because of his new found skills he has the power to kil u with 1 hit he is very durable his speed has become very high his taijutsu skills surpass everyone else his ninjutsu are very deadly and powerful and he thinks very well now. U said some shit like sauske would do just as good in naruto's circumstances but he wouldn't why because.. he does not have the destructive power,the taijutsu ability,the speed,durability,the deadly ninjutsu. Naruto is killing each body with 1 attack because sage mode boosted his skills very high everyone else kakashi jiraiya had to kill them selves to just kill 1 body because these bodies are damn near indestructible. Kakashi and the choji clan mutilated demon realm yet he still wouldn't die naruto shattered him in 1 attack. there's the fucking difference there is how we know that naruto>sasuke the entire board says this not only me.


SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY WITH TSUKUYOMI SASUKE DOES NOT HAVE IT PROVIDE ME ONE FUCKING LINK PROVIDE THE ENTIRE FORUM WITH ONE FUCKING LINK THAT SAYS WITHOUT A DOUBT 100% THAT HE HAS IT...

U CAN TAKE UR SIZING UP AND SHOVE IT UP UR IGNORANT ASS.

HERE'S A REAL FUCKIGN SIZE UP FROM a person that knows why more then u.

Naruto
Power
speed
chakra
durability
taijutsu
ninjutsu


Sasuke
speed
genjutsu
ninjutsu
taijutsu
durability
chakra
power


Now lets match this up...


Power - Naruto
Ninutsu - naruto
Taijutsu - naruto
chakra - naruto
durability naruto
Speed - will go both ways just for ur fan boy ass to shut up
Genjutsu - sasuke

even if i gave u speed naruto out ranks him in everything else.

If him and sasuke fought hand to hand sasuke would lose before ur fanboy ass can scream his name... naruto's speed is far beyond jiraiya due to naruto sm>jiraiya hm jiraiya>sasuke in speed

Bro either way i am done here i rather discuss things with other members who know what they are talking about and who aren't as thick headed like u once pain loses to naruto naruto>pain right so that means by defualt naruto >sasuke unless lmfaooo u think pain<sasuke then we cann all stop reading ur pathetic bullshit.



sasuek sword won't help u fuckign idiot how many times can ppl tell u this naruto doesn't even ened to hit sasuke he could still kill him. naruto is just as good with his element as sasuke is with lighting u mroon they both created a jutsu with their element they can both use their element in battles wind beats lighting naturally no matter how much u master ur element if its weaker u will lose.

Naruto could use the wind element in battle lmfao please answer me this just once when did u start reading the manga by the way u post i would say not so long ago. Yamato clearly says if naruto would split the water fall he can use wind element in battle that is shown when naruto uses futton and yamato uses suiton to create "water typhoon" naruto used RAW WIND ELEMENT. U don't get it do u the size of the weapon does not matter its the elemental chakra that makes the difference, sasuke sword is nothing special, he just charges his chakra with it thus making it able to cut through most things. But he cannot cut something that is infused with wind because WIND BEATS LIGHTING sasuke can be the biggest master in swordsmanship he can be the go to guy to learn sword trianing however naruto's infused weapon will beat his sword any day of the week because wind>lighting.

Im starting to think you dont get it becuae you refuse to exept you fav character isnt perfect in SM. AGain, how do you not get it. Yes, narutos wind kunai would beat sasuke chidori sword. However, naruto is nowwhere near skilled enough with a kunai to compete with sasuke with a sword, lol. NAruto can have a perfect kunai, but it doesnt mean crap if he cant use it. How can you not get that. Having something and being able to use it are two differenrt things.



WAT????????? I CAN'T UNDERSTAND ONE WORD HERE. Naruto doesn't need to be skilled in this art omfgggggg i swear its like trying o explain 1+1=2 to a 20 year old and him not getting it wow.. WIND BEATS LIGHTING OK U UNDERSTAND THIS WRITE OK LET'S GO ON.. SASUKE UR FAVORITE CHRACTER THE ONE UR SO FUCKIGN THICK ON CAN BE SKILLED AS MUCH AS HE WANTS BUT HIS CHAKRA IS WEAKER THEN NARUTO'S CHAKRA SO THUS WHEN THEY COLLIDE NARUTO'S WILL WIN. DID ME EXPLAIN IT U THE RIGHT WAY ...:mad:

LOL! How do you not get it? Sasuke isnt going to aim for narutos wind kunai to match tham, lol. Narutos going to need the skill to defend himself against sasukes sword skills. However, narutos has at best average skill with a kunai if eeve that. Tools arent narutos strong point. I hope you get it now.

LOL NARUTO CAN DO THE SAME TO SASUKE'S SWORD BECAUSE SC>NORMAL CHAKRA thus sasuke's lighting katan won't be able to do jack shit. get that
His SM wont completely protect him form a kanton powered by his own wind chakra, lol. Quit hiding behind narutos chakra. Its doesnt make all ninjutsu useless.

Nobody can understand u because u can't type normally i am not saying i am worlds best typer but i can at least make sure a person can read and understand it. Im not arguign that sasuke can't shoot the kunai down with fire wtf makes u think naruto will stand still and let him lol ur an idiot thats all.1. if you reading comprehension sucks its not my fault. Hell, even thought your grammar sucks. I can always understand you.

there is no link u nimrod u haven't provided shit u never do none of ur stuff are credible that's why nobody agrees with u..
2. I said be specific, lol. All you did was ignore that and insult me so thats your fault.

Also, people most likely wont agree because they prefer naruto over sasuke. That and naruto just had a great fight which helps influence their oppinion as well.

This is how u know that naruto can for sure take down sasuke with ease.

When they first met everyone said sasuke>naruto right because of what we saw im sure ur dumbass said the same thing and nobody argued because it was clear who would win if they fought back then... Just like now its clear who would win why because of what WE SAW now. he made pain look like a little bitch he would have won 2 chapters ago had it not been for skihimoto's plot crap i already explained how yesterday. Pain admitted to naruto being very strong that he was never pushed as far as naruto pushed him a man who killed both hanzo and jiraiya said this.. jiraiya>sasuke with eye closed.You still ignore the fact that naruto wouldnt have crap if he didnt convieniently show up after deva was useless. Hell, deva by himself is making naruto look foolish. Kicked pains ass, lol. In those circumstances sasuke couldve dont the same as well as itachi or Jman.

Naruto is only doing so well because of his new found skills he has the power to kil u with 1 hit he is very durable his speed has become very high his taijutsu skills surpass everyone else his ninjutsu are very deadly and powerful and he thinks very well now. U said some shit like sauske would do just as good in naruto's circumstances but he wouldn't why because.. he does not have the destructive power,the taijutsu ability,the speed,durability,the deadly ninjutsu. Naruto is killing each body with 1 attack because sage mode boosted his skills very high everyone else kakashi jiraiya had to kill them selves to just kill 1 body because these bodies are damn near indestructible. Kakashi and the choji clan mutilated demon realm yet he still wouldn't die naruto shattered him in 1 attack. there's the fucking difference there is how we know that naruto>sasuke the entire board says this not only me.[/QUOTE]

LMAO!!! You actually believe naruto has done this good, better than Jman becuase of his skills? Are you paying attention to the last two chapter? The moment deva got his powers back. Naruto was out classed almost immediatly. Narutos so called amazing skills wouldnt of been jack if deva wasnt useless from the get go. How can you ever compare this fight to Jman? You know pain cant kill naruto "has to hold back". You know the realms were not working together because deva was useless "unlike with Jman". you know naruto had more info than Jman. Naruto even has the terain advantage over what Jman had. Naruo has an open field and Jman had a inclosed area full of pipes.

Honestly, jman>naruto just by the differance of the fights.

You can believe power is the greatest weapon, lol. However, it still isnt enough for naruto to win.
EDIT
SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY WITH TSUKUYOMI SASUKE DOES NOT HAVE IT PROVIDE ME ONE FUCKING LINK PROVIDE THE ENTIRE FORUM WITH ONE FUCKING LINK THAT SAYS WITHOUT A DOUBT 100% THAT HE HAS IT...

U CAN TAKE UR SIZING UP AND SHOVE IT UP UR IGNORANT ASS.

HERE'S A REAL FUCKIGN SIZE UP FROM a person that knows why more then u.

Naruto
Power
speed
chakra
durability
taijutsu
ninjutsu


Sasuke
speed
genjutsu
ninjutsu
taijutsu
durability
chakra
power


Now lets match this up...


Power - Naruto
Ninutsu - naruto
Taijutsu - naruto
chakra - naruto
durability naruto
Speed - will go both ways just for ur fan boy ass to shut up
Genjutsu - sasuke

even if i gave u speed naruto out ranks him in everything else.

If him and sasuke fought hand to hand sasuke would lose before ur fanboy ass can scream his name... naruto's speed is far beyond jiraiya due to naruto sm>jiraiya hm jiraiya>sasuke in speed

Bro either way i am done here i rather discuss things with other members who know what they are talking about and who aren't as thick headed like u once pain loses to naruto naruto>pain right so that means by defualt naruto >sasuke unless lmfaooo u think pain<sasuke then we cann all stop reading ur pathetic bullshit.



sasuek sword won't help u fuckign idiot how many times can ppl tell u this naruto doesn't even ened to hit sasuke he could still kill him. naruto is just as good with his element as sasuke is with lighting u mroon they both created a jutsu with their element they can both use their element in battles wind beats lighting naturally no matter how much u master ur element if its weaker u will lose.

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Your a winny little thing arent you. I honestly gave a size up of the two and all you did was interprit, cry a river, insult me and make me LMAO at your size up. Wether you like it or not thats the size up "fact!!!".

Also, its Tsukuyomi/ equivalent so B-O-O-H-O-O!

I only understand what I want to because I think naruto has everythig! Insult this, insult that, lincon got hit with a woof-a-ball bat! Yare, Yare, arent we mature, lol.

You really can't compare jman with Naruto. naruto can actually get into sage mode. Jariaya could only so hermit. God Pain wasn't even a factor in Jariaya's fight so you can't bring him up. I think if he had been Jariaya really would've died without the info he so desired. Jariaya also had help in his fight. So what if he summoned he used a frog, ma and pa. Also bring ma and pa into it Jariaya was able to get an endless supply of natural energy. Naruto is limited to himself and his 3 clones(?). As far as the information goes on Pain that just proves how well Naruto can strategize. He wasn't informed on everything and still did this well. In Jariaya's favor he has been in many battles and a war. I think he has the experience and the credibility to not be defended.

It's sad that Jariaya died to Pain but he had chances to escape and not go that far. He even said that he wanted to get the info on Pain. I think you can feel a little sorry for Pain's predicament but you can't say that Naruto wouldn't have went this far without any info.

Another thing in the Jariaya fight is he fought one to 3 bodies effectively or in my words ok. When he brought six bodies Jariaya had already lost his arm and Pain didn't even try to gang bang him then. Please explain how Naruto can be compared to Jariaya in this?

Im starting to think you dont get it becuae you refuse to exept you fav character isnt perfect in SM. AGain, how do you not get it. Yes, narutos wind kunai would beat sasuke chidori sword. However, naruto is nowwhere near skilled enough with a kunai to compete with sasuke with a sword, lol. NAruto can have a perfect kunai, but it doesnt mean crap if he cant use it. How can you not get that. Having something and being able to use it are two differenrt things.
So u admit naruto's kunai can beat sasuke's sword good. The rest doesn't matter since i already made it clear that u don't need to be skilled the element itself will do the job...




His SM wont completely protect him form a kanton powered by his own wind chakra, lol. Quit hiding behind narutos chakra. Its doesnt make all ninjutsu useless.why would naruto use his wind on fire he isn't dumb like u lmao all he needs his wind is to break sasuke's sword skill has nothing to do with this its all elemental advantage. Once he is done he can easily turn off his chakra thus sasuke's fire is useless and he just wasted chakra.. Not only that but i would 100 bucks sasuke would never attempt sucha stupid move like u just layed out. A basic moron with dodging skills can evade an attack like that.

1. if you reading comprehension sucks its not my fault. Hell, even thought your grammar sucks. I can always understand you.Nice insult but next time make sure u write and spell correctly before u say that line TOOL.




Also, people most likely wont agree because they prefer naruto over sasuke. That and naruto just had a great fight which helps influence their oppinion as well.Yeah because nobody said "KYF shut up ur posts have no credibility" on wait...

You still ignore the fact that naruto wouldnt have crap if he didnt convieniently show up after deva was useless. Hell, deva by himself is making naruto look foolish. Kicked pains ass, lol. In those circumstances sasuke couldve dont the same as well as itachi or Jman.I'll tell u why that wouldn't work. Naruto has such an easy time because his power and jutsu power are to high. Jiraiya couldn't kill a pain with 1 hit yet naruto missed and killed one that's the difference to why none of them would be able to do that.



LMAO!!! You actually believe naruto has done this good, better than Jman becuase of his skills? Are you paying attention to the last two chapter? The moment deva got his powers back. Naruto was out classed almost immediatly.Naruto wasn't outclassed he was outclassed because he was drained of his sage chakra numb nuts pain did this so it would be easy for him he said so himself . Narutos so called amazing skills wouldnt of been jack if deva wasnt useless from the get go. How can you ever compare this fight to Jman? You know pain cant kill naruto "has to hold back". You know the realms were not working together because deva was useless "unlike with Jman".They couldn't work together because they coudln't keep up lol. If they left deva's side ur right deva would be exposed u know why because naruto would murder the 5 bodies then kill deva so they went in 1 by 1 to try and stop him. Jiraiya himself said pain is to strong to fight in his base form so he went into hermit mode right off the bat what's wrong with did u even read the manga back then. Not only that but the pains could have easily worked together there are 6 bodies 1 was killed right off the bat with 1 attack not even jiraiya could do that proven already. The other 5 that were left could have done this 3 fight naruto while 2 protect deva lol they didn't do that because he was to fast they couldn't keep up. The thing is even if all 4 teamed up naruto wouldn't have to land a punch on them u understand that even if he missed he would kill them due to natural energy wrapping around his every attack.. So yeah ur little "didn;t wrok together theory" just got thrown out the window. you know naruto had more info than Jman. Naruto even has the terain advantage over what Jman had. Naruo has an open field and Jman had a inclosed area full of pipes.Naruto doesn't have terrain advantage moron jiraiya was able to disclose his location and cast the genjutsu to take 3 bodies out if naruto had that deva pain would be dead by now...

Honestly, jman>naruto just by the differance of the fights.I just proved otherwise.


Once agian sasuke's genjutsu isn't = to tsukuyomi please show us all a reference please show us all any reference ...

[QUOTE]You really can't compare jman with Naruto. naruto can actually get into sage mode. Jariaya could only so hermit. God Pain wasn't even a factor in Jariaya's fight so you can't bring him up. I think if he had been Jariaya really would've died without the info he so desired. Jariaya also had help in his fight. So what if he summoned he used a frog, ma and pa. Also bring ma and pa into it Jariaya was able to get an endless supply of natural energy. Naruto is limited to himself and his 3 clones(?). As far as the information goes on Pain that just proves how well Naruto can strategize. He wasn't informed on everything and still did this well. In Jariaya's favor he has been in many battles and a war. I think he has the experience and the credibility to not be defended.
LOL! Do you even read the manga? Jman had an endless supply, lol. Naruto has quality over quantity and ma and pa there to help him fight instead of sitting still on a shoulder. No god pain wasnt fighting, but he admited he wouldve lost with the secrets naruto has, lol. Naruto has a better SM, 2 extra frogs and ma, pa. Not to mention Jman had to fight pain as a team, but naruto got to fight pain one on one because of narutos flawless timing, lol. You cant compare the two fight. Naruto has every adavantage and more power. Yet, devas still handing him his ass at the moment. However, Deva comented on how he and the others would have lost if it wasnt for the secret naruto already knows, lol.

No, you cant compare the two fights!

It's sad that Jariaya died to Pain but he had chances to escape and not go that far. He even said that he wanted to get the info on Pain. I think you can feel a little sorry for Pain's predicament but you can't say that Naruto wouldn't have went this far without any info. The info isnt the biggest advantage naruto got. Deva being useles was because it forced the other realms to fight differantly instead of using teamwork. Hell, team work is what makes pain so powerful. Naruto sisnt face pain at his best and Myth cant admit it. However, naruto is still a bad ass.

Another thing in the Jariaya fight is he fought one to 3 bodies effectively or in my words ok. When he brought six bodies Jariaya had already lost his arm and Pain didn't even try to gang bang him then. Please explain how Naruto can be compared to Jariaya in this?The most bodies naruto had to fight was 1 at a time unlike Jman. Jman managed to survive, gather the info he needed and plan a strategy then execute it. Which he did rather well. However, there were still three realms left and Jman got caught off gaurd. One on one Jman wouldve mudered Pain in a matter of minutes until it came down to deva. After that Its debateable of Jman could of one, but deva sure thought he could from what he saw.

Also, naruto performed a good startegy, but it wasnt brillant. A true strategist plans for failure and naruto didnt. Which is why hes in this predicament right now with deva. Naruto had a plan to take each out, but not a plan if he didnt. Which means he planned one move ahead ATTACK, but then what? do you see my point.

Listen, I know it was a good strategy for naruto because he doesnt usually use strategy, but it wasnt anything compared to Shikas or even yes, sasukes against Diedara/ itachi. Also, dont forget kakashi, lol.

you 2 guys need to get a room lol

So u admit naruto's kunai can beat sasuke's sword good. The rest doesn't matter since i already made it clear that u don't need to be skilled the element itself will do the job...So you admit that naruto wouldnt even be skilled enough to use the wind kunai against sasukes sword skills.

why would naruto use his wind on fire he isn't dumb like u lmao all he needs his wind is to break sasuke's sword skill has nothing to do with this its all elemental advantage. Once he is done he can easily turn off his chakra thus sasuke's fire is useless and he just wasted chakra.. Not only that but i would 100 bucks sasuke would never attempt sucha stupid move like u just layed out. A basic moron with dodging skills can evade an attack like that.ANother insult to prove you inadequicy to debate. Skill is the most important thing in battle, LMAO. Are you serious? Sill means nothing compared to an element? How can I debate with you if you dont even understand basic combat knowledge wether its in naruto or not. Also, you underestimate sasukes ability to strategise.


Nice insult but next time make sure u write and spell correctly before u say that line TOOL.




Yeah because nobody said "KYF shut up ur posts have no credibility" on wait...
Yeah, you.LOL!

I'll tell u why that wouldn't work. Naruto has such an easy time because his power and jutsu power are to high. Jiraiya couldn't kill a pain with 1 hit yet naruto missed and killed one that's the difference to why none of them would be able to do that.Your right, Jman was weak with weak jutsui and thats why he didnt win.

Naruto wasn't outclassed he was outclassed because he was drained of his sage chakra numb nuts pain did this so it would be easy for him he said so himself . They couldn't work together because they coudln't keep up lol. If they left deva's side ur right deva would be exposed u know why because naruto would murder the 5 bodies then kill deva so they went in 1 by 1 to try and stop him. Jiraiya himself said pain is to strong to fight in his base form so he went into hermit mode right off the bat what's wrong with did u even read the manga back then. Not only that but the pains could have easily worked together there are 6 bodies 1 was killed right off the bat with 1 attack not even jiraiya could do that proven already. The other 5 that were left could have done this 3 fight naruto while 2 protect deva lol they didn't do that because he was to fast they couldn't keep up. The thing is even if all 4 teamed up naruto wouldn't have to land a punch on them u understand that even if he missed he would kill them due to natural energy wrapping around his every attack.. So yeah ur little "didn;t wrok together theory" just got thrown out the window. Naruto doesn't have terrain advantage moron jiraiya was able to disclose his location and cast the genjutsu to take 3 bodies out if naruto had that deva pain would be dead by now...
Are you serious? They were busy protecting deva and thats why they had to attack one by one instead of together, lol. Oh my god, Three never fought naruto at once. One attacked while the others defended. You cant argue what actuallt happened, lol. It manga fact as you would say. Now your saying what "would of" happened which is just your oppinion.

lol, wether you like it or not. Naruto has it easy compared to Jman in his fight with pain. Ive already explained everthing, but you refuse to exept thats how it happened. i mean come on. These are fresh chapter so it just happened.
How can I debate with you if you cant acknowledge a fact?

I just proved otherwise.


Once agian sasuke's genjutsu isn't = to tsukuyomi please show us all a reference please show us all any reference ...
What? Are you saying sasuke doesnt have a MS genjutsu now? lol, I bet his SG is no match for narutos eyes either, right.


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you 2 guys need to get a room lol
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At least we got a thread, lol.

So you admit that naruto wouldnt even be skilled enough to use the wind kunai against sasukes sword skills.
Horrible way to counter something that cannot be countered. Naruto could infuse his chakra into a ninja tool that was proven i posted u pages. Just because he hasn't use dit ina fight before doesn't mean he can't do it because once again he did do it when he was with asuma..


ANother insult to prove you inadequicy to debate. Skill is the most important thing in battle, LMAO. Are you serious? Sill means nothing compared to an element? How can I debate with you if you dont even understand basic combat knowledge wether its in naruto or not. Also, you underestimate sasukes ability to strategise.I love how u use grammar and spelling to insult me when u yourself cannot spell the word skill its not "sill" buddy. Skill does matter and naruto's skill is higher then sasuke's due to sage mode nim rod. but this isn't about skill this is about 1 weapon beating the other due to elemental advantage. Naruto doesn't need to be skilled to infuse his chakra into a kunai he has already shown he can do it that's all that is needed once sasuke uses his sword all naruto has to do is block, and sasuke's sword is gone due to lighting being weaker then wind. He can't use fire during that time either because he need hand seals to attempt a ninjutsu which he can't cause he would be holding his sword with 1 one hand or 2 lol..









Your right, Jman was weak with weak jutsui and thats why he didnt win.He didn't win cause his sage mode isn't as good as naruto's thus he couldn't do things naruto could like kill u with 1 attack.


Are you serious? They were busy protecting deva and thats why they had to attack one by one instead of together, lol. Oh my god, Three never fought naruto at once. One attacked while the others defended. You cant argue what actuallt happened, lol. It manga fact as you would say. Now your saying what "would of" happened which is just your oppinion.When did i argue that lol. i just simply said if they wanted to fight 3 on 1 they could have here once again since u completely didn't understand the last point. there are 6 pains one was killed right off the bat with 1 attack. so that means 5 remain excluding 1 cause he didn't have his powers right.. so 4 pains who are able to fight remain. 3 could have teamed up on naruto IF THEY COULD while 1 stayed behind or better yet all 4 could have teamed up on him. but wait u said they had to protect deva right. would protecting him be taking down naruto why waste time going 1 by 1 instead of going 2 or 3 on 1 and taking him down, since by ur logic that would work. But they didn't for the obvious reasons. they either couldn't due to naruto being to fast for them and would be able to keep up, or they could because even if they teamed up they would be killed instantly.

The reason why jiraiya couldn't kill 3 when they teamed up is because he didn't master sage mode thus jiraiya needed to land a punch to take em out.. he tried using smoke bombs to get around them because even though he was fast they could still keep up.. Now if naruto was in that postion he wouldn't need to land a hit u understand right.. all naruto would have to do is throw a punch or kick and have the force around his attack (natural energy) due the rest like he did

here http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/431/13/. So u see it wouldn't matter if 2 3 or 4 fought him his mastered sage mode allows him to do things jiraiya could not...



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What? Are you saying sasuke doesnt have a MS genjutsu now? lol, I bet his SG is no match for narutos eyes either, right.No i said he doesn't have tsukuyomi nor does his mks genjutsu = to tsukuyomi...


unless of course u can provide us with proof which u still have not not even 1 manga reference from u wow..

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LOL! Do you even read the manga? Jman had an endless supply, lol. Naruto has quality over quantity and ma and pa there to help him fight instead of sitting still on a shoulder. No god pain wasnt fighting, but he admited he wouldve lost with the secrets naruto has, lol. Naruto has a better SM, 2 extra frogs and ma, pa. Not to mention Jman had to fight pain as a team, but naruto got to fight pain one on one because of narutos flawless timing, lol. You cant compare the two fight. Naruto has every adavantage and more power. Yet, devas still handing him his ass at the moment. However, Deva comented on how he and the others would have lost if it wasnt for the secret naruto already knows, lol.

No, you cant compare the two fights!

The info isnt the biggest advantage naruto got. Deva being useles was because it forced the other realms to fight differantly instead of using teamwork. Hell, team work is what makes pain so powerful. Naruto sisnt face pain at his best and Myth cant admit it. However, naruto is still a bad ass.

The most bodies naruto had to fight was 1 at a time unlike Jman. Jman managed to survive, gather the info he needed and plan a strategy then execute it. Which he did rather well. However, there were still three realms left and Jman got caught off gaurd. One on one Jman wouldve mudered Pain in a matter of minutes until it came down to deva. After that Its debateable of Jman could of one, but deva sure thought he could from what he saw.

Also, naruto performed a good startegy, but it wasnt brillant. A true strategist plans for failure and naruto didnt. Which is why hes in this predicament right now with deva. Naruto had a plan to take each out, but not a plan if he didnt. Which means he planned one move ahead ATTACK, but then what? do you see my point.

Listen, I know it was a good strategy for naruto because he doesnt usually use strategy, but it wasnt anything compared to Shikas or even yes, sasukes against Diedara/ itachi. Also, dont forget kakashi, lol.

P1- Jariaya brought ma and pa and he could've brought both summons. He didn't maybe because he had faith in hermit mode or he wanted to figure out Pain? Quality, is that it or haven't you been reading the chapter? It so far took Naruto his clones and even then it wasn't enough. My question is do you really think Jariaya had it that easy or is it that Naruto is that much stronger? The teaming on jariaya was only the jointed vision and i wasn't aware that Pain wasn't using it for Naruto. Where does it say that Pain would've lost if it weren't for the secret? He says how strong or something along those lines.

P2. Why do you keep saying God pain? He didn't even fight in Jariaya's match. The minute you bring him in you can't compare the two. Unless are you referring that he commands them because it is Nagato that commands them. How effective would Jariaya's fight have been if God Pain decided to come in even for a sec or even alone? Jariaya had the most trouble if I remember with the summon Pain and we all know how Naruto did factoring out help.

P3 Jariaya pretty much fought them one by one. I don't really remember jariaya fight all at once. Maybe he switched opponents but not at the same time. Naruto almost killed 3 at once, what does that say?

P.4 Naruto strategizes the same as Sasuke. Or more or less the same timing. And even so doesn't that just prove had little Naruto knew on Pain? If he had knowledge on most of them I really think it would've been an even further beat down.

Naruto has used strategy like in the fight with Kukuzu (guy that fought the first hokage). Or even with Neji or kiba. You saying his strategy is below Sasuke is pretty funny. I mean I like Sasuke but he is no Shikamaru or Kakashi. Sasuke plans for a few moves ahead. He also needs to be comfortable when fighting his opponent. What i mean is he needs to be even in speed or above them. Like in Deidera fight he was faster than him. Or Itachi he was even but he was fight on par with Itachi so he had time to formulate the plan for his jutsu. If we look at the Killer Bee fight well what can we say. Either Killer Bee has no weaknesses or Sasuke really isn't that great. Take a pick please.

P1- Jariaya brought ma and pa and he could've brought both summons. He didn't maybe because he had faith in hermit mode or he wanted to figure out Pain? Quality, is that it or haven't you been reading the chapter? It so far took Naruto his clones and even then it wasn't enough. My question is do you really think Jariaya had it that easy or is it that Naruto is that much stronger? The teaming on jariaya was only the jointed vision and i wasn't aware that Pain wasn't using it for Naruto. Where does it say that Pain would've lost if it weren't for the secret? He says how strong or something along those lines.

P2. Why do you keep saying God pain? He didn't even fight in Jariaya's match. The minute you bring him in you can't compare the two. Unless are you referring that he commands them because it is Nagato that commands them. How effective would Jariaya's fight have been if God Pain decided to come in even for a sec or even alone? Jariaya had the most trouble if I remember with the summon Pain and we all know how Naruto did factoring out help.

P3 Jariaya pretty much fought them one by one. I don't really remember jariaya fight all at once. Maybe he switched opponents but not at the same time. Naruto almost killed 3 at once, what does that say?

P.4 Naruto strategizes the same as Sasuke. Or more or less the same timing. And even so doesn't that just prove had little Naruto knew on Pain? If he had knowledge on most of them I really think it would've been an even further beat down.

Naruto has used strategy like in the fight with Kukuzu (guy that fought the first hokage). Or even with Neji or kiba. You saying his strategy is below Sasuke is pretty funny. I mean I like Sasuke but he is no Shikamaru or Kakashi. Sasuke plans for a few moves ahead. He also needs to be comfortable when fighting his opponent. What i mean is he needs to be even in speed or above them. Like in Deidera fight he was faster than him. Or Itachi he was even but he was fight on par with Itachi so he had time to formulate the plan for his jutsu. If we look at the Killer Bee fight well what can we say. Either Killer Bee has no weaknesses or Sasuke really isn't that great. Take a pick please.

Amazing post Sauron i completely forgot god pain didn't fight in the jiraiya one not that we saw at least.

As for sasuke's strategy i have told him this before, that sasuke did well on planning vs deidara because deidaras jutsu are chakra bombs which sasuke can detect with sharingan thus he was able to think ahead. Vs killerbee however he couldn't formulate any plan not because he is stupid but because killer bee outranked him in terms of power chakra speed etc. Sasuke thinks good as u said when he is comfortable in the fight naruto is an outside the box thinker thus he can think ahead in anytime during any fight.

If naruto fought killer bee he would be able to find his weakness due to his kage bushinn ability he would send a few to fight and analyze KB'S attacks sasuke doesn't have such a privilege due to the fact that he cannot use kage bushinn.

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[QUOTE]P1- Jariaya brought ma and pa and he could've brought both summons. He didn't maybe because he had faith in hermit mode or he wanted to figure out Pain? Quality, is that it or haven't you been reading the chapter? It so far took Naruto his clones and even then it wasn't enough. My question is do you really think Jariaya had it that easy or is it that Naruto is that much stronger? The teaming on jariaya was only the jointed vision and i wasn't aware that Pain wasn't using it for Naruto. Where does it say that Pain would've lost if it weren't for the secret? He says how strong or something along those lines.[http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/383/13/There! The only praise naruto got was "ive never been pushed this far before, however". Naruto knew pains secrets and yet hes still on his ass. No, you cant compare the two.

P2. Why do you keep saying God pain? He didn't even fight in Jariaya's match. The minute you bring him in you can't compare the two. Unless are you referring that he commands them because it is Nagato that commands them. How effective would Jariaya's fight have been if God Pain decided to come in even for a sec or even alone? Jariaya had the most trouble if I remember with the summon Pain and we all know how Naruto did factoring out help.
Well, naruto had Ma and Pas help to summon the extra frogs remember. Also, I was refering to what deva said about Jman. Not about deva being in Jmans fight.

P3 Jariaya pretty much fought them one by one. I don't really remember jariaya fight all at once. Maybe he switched opponents but not at the same time. Naruto almost killed 3 at once, what does that say?
What are you talking about? When Jman defeated the the three realms. They were goth attacking him at once "teaming up!". LOL, naruto never fought three at once. The only way for that to be true is if the other two "deva and hell realm" were fighting back. they just stood there while as Ive been saying, one fights. Not three, lol. Naruto could attack all six at once, but that doesnt mean he had to fight all six at once, lol.

P.4 Naruto strategizes the same as Sasuke. Or more or less the same timing. And even so doesn't that just prove had little Naruto knew on Pain? If he had knowledge on most of them I really think it would've been an even further beat down.
Again, what are you talking about? Naruto fought with katsuya on his back giving him everthing about pain exept his social security number, lol. Naruto didnt have to fight an earn that info like Jman. The only info he figured out was about hell. However, being in the middle of open area. Hell realm couldnt hide his ability like he did against Jman in the rain village.

Please read the manga to the point you know what happened, please. Im not trying to offend you. But your talking about stuff that did happen "naruto not having info on pain" for instance. Naruto had alot on pain. It was Jman that knew nothing.

Naruto has used strategy like in the fight with Kukuzu (guy that fought the first hokage). Or even with Neji or kiba. You saying his strategy is below Sasuke is pretty funny. I mean I like Sasuke but he is no Shikamaru or Kakashi. Sasuke plans for a few moves ahead. He also needs to be comfortable when fighting his opponent. What i mean is he needs to be even in speed or above them. Like in Deidera fight he was faster than him. Or Itachi he was even but he was fight on par with Itachi so he had time to formulate the plan for his jutsu. If we look at the Killer Bee fight well what can we say. Either Killer Bee has no weaknesses or Sasuke really isn't that great. Take a pick please.

Sighs! Sasukes speed isnt a advantage against someone fighting in the air, lol. Also, in sasuke vs naruto first fight. Naruto had the speed advantage, but sasuke used skill to overcome that handicap if you dont remember.

How can you judge strategy? Do you even understand startegy? If not then why are you saying whos better? Sasuke may only plan three moves ahead, but its better than one.

Killer Bee is a monster, lol. I find it funny that so many people think narutos power will destroy sasuke. However, sasuke survived against KB whos way more powerful in Hachibi mode. And as for you comment. No, I cant find any weakness in KB exept for amaterasu, but thats could kill anybody.

Sorry for the double post. There wasnt enough room in my last post for an edit.


[QUOTE]Horrible way to counter something that cannot be countered. Naruto could infuse his chakra into a ninja tool that was proven i posted u pages. Just because he hasn't use dit ina fight before doesn't mean he can't do it because once again he did do it when he was with asuma..
Thats not what Im debating about. Naruto could have a perfect wind kunai yet its useless with his level of skill. Lets face it, sasuke has a 3 foot sword with masterful skills. Naruto has a six inch kunai with average or worse skills. The only way I could see naruto defending himself against sasukes sword attacks "lightning infused or not" is with something much bigger than sasuke sword to make up for the difference in skill.


I love how u use grammar and spelling to insult me when u yourself cannot spell the word skill its not "sill" buddy. Skill does matter and naruto's skill is higher then sasuke's due to sage mode nim rod. but this isn't about skill this is about 1 weapon beating the other due to elemental advantage. Naruto doesn't need to be skilled to infuse his chakra into a kunai he has already shown he can do it that's all that is needed once sasuke uses his sword all naruto has to do is block, and sasuke's sword is gone due to lighting being weaker then wind. He can't use fire during that time either because he need hand seals to attempt a ninjutsu which he can't cause he would be holding his sword with 1 one hand or 2 lol.. Its funny how you bring up my every now and then typos, lol. Are you getting dominated that bad? JK, dont flip out an start an insult fest.

What? Skill doesnt matter? If you truely believe that then theres no reason to debate with you no matter how much you know about the manga. Also, narutos power doesnt equal skill, lol. Sasuke skills are on a another level than narutos. Thats why naruto can beat strong opponents without super strength and power. Sighs, do you know what skill is?

AH HA! Exactly! Naruto has the elemental advantage so all he needs to do is block sasukes attack, right. Well, guess what naruto needs to block sasukes attack. SKILL! Which, naruto doesnt have very much of with a kunai. Do you finally see my point now? Please say yes. its been three post of the same point, but you still have yet to get it.







He didn't win cause his sage mode isn't as good as naruto's thus he couldn't do things naruto could like kill u with 1 attack.No, Jman didnt win. However, it wasnt because he wasnt strong enough, rememeber? Jman had all he needed exept what deva said. "theyre secret"! Yet somehow with pains secrets and a better SM. Naruto still isnt winning. But hows that possible? One word. SKILL! Are you starting to understand?


When did i argue that lol. i just simply said if they wanted to fight 3 on 1 they could have here once again since u completely didn't understand the last point. there are 6 pains one was killed right off the bat with 1 attack. so that means 5 remain excluding 1 cause he didn't have his powers right.. so 4 pains who are able to fight remain. 3 could have teamed up on naruto IF THEY COULD while 1 stayed behind or better yet all 4 could have teamed up on him. but wait u said they had to protect deva right. would protecting him be taking down naruto why waste time going 1 by 1 instead of going 2 or 3 on 1 and taking him down, since by ur logic that would work. But they didn't for the obvious reasons. they either couldn't due to naruto being to fast for them and would be able to keep up, or they could because even if they teamed up they would be killed instantly.
1. Could of - would of - should of! They couldnt fight as a team beacuse they clearly wanted to protect deva. It wasnt because naruto was too fast, lol. if you consider narutos speed to be what defated the realms then sasuke would rape them, lol. BOT: It wasnt because of anything about naruto. Deva said himself he shouldnt have been so focused on destroying the village. Clearly because of the situation it put him in by being useless.


The reason why jiraiya couldn't kill 3 when they teamed up is because he didn't master sage mode thus jiraiya needed to land a punch to take em out.. he tried using smoke bombs to get around them because even though he was fast they could still keep up.. Now if naruto was in that postion he wouldn't need to land a hit u understand right.. all naruto would have to do is throw a punch or kick and have the force around his attack (natural energy) due the rest like he did
Dude, What are you talking about? Jman killed the three realms, but hell braught them back, remember? And naruto in Jman situation wouldnt have the comfort of knowing they cant kill him becuase of a bijuu. Face it, it was a completely different fight.

here http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/431/13/. So u see it wouldn't matter if 2 3 or 4 fought him his mastered sage mode allows him to do things jiraiya could not...The biggest point about that is naruto with a better SM still cant beat pain. However, deva knew Jmna could of won if he only knew theyre secret. See, Jman didnt need to kill with one blow. Deva reconised that with Jmans skills, all he needed was pains secrets to win.
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No i said he doesn't have tsukuyomi nor does his mks genjutsu = to tsukuyomi...Lol, what do you mean its not equal to tsukuyomi. Sasuke beat tsukuyomi with a regular SG. Just imagine wht his MS genjutsu can do, lol.

unless of course u can provide us with proof which u still have not not even 1 manga reference from u wow..You keep bitching about this yet you dont give me anything specific you want me to find and post. Tell me already!


EDIT:Amazing post Sauron i completely forgot god pain didn't fight in the jiraiya one not that we saw at least.

As for sasuke's strategy i have told him this before, that sasuke did well on planning vs deidara because deidaras jutsu are chakra bombs which sasuke can detect with sharingan thus he was able to think ahead. Vs killerbee however he couldn't formulate any plan not because he is stupid but because killer bee outranked him in terms of power chakra speed etc. Sasuke thinks good as u said when he is comfortable in the fight naruto is an outside the box thinker thus he can think ahead in anytime during any fight.

If naruto fought killer bee he would be able to find his weakness due to his kage bushinn ability he would send a few to fight and analyze KB'S attacks sasuke doesn't have such a privilege due to the fact that he cannot use kage bushinn.

LOL! Sasuke couldnt formulate a plan? Sasuke was too busy trying to beat KB, but not kill him. As well as stay alive against such an opponent. KB did out rank sasuke in power, skill and even swordsmanship, not speed thought. It wasnt KBs speed that got sasuke. it was the quantity of swords along with the unorthadox movments of KB. Again, thats not speed.

LOL, why are you comparing sasukes strategisng to narutos. Especialy against KB of all shinobi. If naruto had to beat KB without killing him than naruto wouldnt of plan crap either. He wouldve been too busy trying to stay alive, lol.

Face it, naruto cant even plan past his first attack. The only time he did that was against zabuza, lol. And he hasnt done it since. Strategising just isnt what naruto does.

[QUOTE]http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/383/13/There! The only praise naruto got was "ive never been pushed this far before, however". Naruto knew pains secrets and yet hes still on his ass. No, you cant compare the two.

Dude he was referring to Jariaya knowing who Pain is not his weaknesses. What relevance does that have?

Well, naruto had Ma and Pas help to summon the extra frogs remember. Also, I was refering to what deva said about Jman. Not about deva being in Jmans fight.

Doesn't matter, I'm stating this point because you have to understand how much harder he is here. I mean sure Naruto came with help but so fucking what.The toads got fucked up by god pain anyway along with Pa.


What are you talking about? When Jman defeated the the three realms. They were goth attacking him at once "teaming up!". LOL, naruto never fought three at once. The only way for that to be true is if the other two "deva and hell realm" were fighting back. they just stood there while as Ive been saying, one fights. Not three, lol. Naruto could attack all six at once, but that doesnt mean he had to fight all six at once, lol.

No, the Frogs defeated 3 pains with the genjutsu. All Jaraiya had to do was stab them after. Jariaya is slower than Naruto by the time one pain approaches he fucks him up before back up happens. But let's say he tried more what difference would that make unless it was god pain? Jariaya was fucked by joint vision not the teaming. The read him like a book don't you understand?


Again, what are you talking about? Naruto fought with katsuya on his back giving him everthing about pain exept his social security number, lol. Naruto didnt have to fight an earn that info like Jman. The only info he figured out was about hell. However, being in the middle of open area. Hell realm couldnt hide his ability like he did against Jman in the rain village.

Oh really? Then why did he throw rasengan when eat your chakra pain was there? And why did certain other things surprise Naruto in the fight? Like god pain or the pain that brings other bodies back? He was fed info as things occured unless you can provide proof to back your claims.

Please read the manga to the point you know what happened, please. Im not trying to offend you. But your talking about stuff that did happen "naruto not having info on pain" for instance. Naruto had alot on pain. It was Jman that knew nothing.


I read the manga kid and I enjoyed all of it. I think you need to clear your issues with Naruto and Jman. Just face the facts the only difference between them is Jman exprience otherwise Naruto to me outranks him. And by exprience I mean many jutsus, battle tatics, etc.

Sighs! Sasukes speed isnt a advantage against someone fighting in the air, lol. Also, in sasuke vs naruto first fight. Naruto had the speed advantage, but sasuke used skill to overcome that handicap if you dont remember.

Yes, I already admitted this in another thread. It's a little more than speed so sorry you're right. As for as being faster in their first fight you are sadly mistaken. Sasuke for the most part was faster and had slightly better taijutsu.

How can you judge strategy? Do you even understand startegy? If not then why are you saying whos better? Sasuke may only plan three moves ahead, but its better than one.

Yes, I totally understand strategy. Do you understand not sticking your foot in your mouth? Zabuza's fight is a perfect example of thinking more than one move ahead. He was a genin here if i'm not mistaken. I understand why people think this way off Naruto because whenever he uses the ninetails is straight out attacks. Anyway I still say in those fights Sasuke was too comfortable to judge on strategy. What it only works in certain fights?

Killer Bee is a monster, lol. I find it funny that so many people think narutos power will destroy sasuke. However, sasuke survived against KB whos way more powerful in Hachibi mode. And as for you comment. No, I cant find any weakness in KB exept for amaterasu, but thats could kill anybody.

Jesus, you have been brainwashed. Amaterasu was effective on his beast, why? Maybe because it was the size of a fucking mountain, lol. Amaterasu only needs to hit a piece of it's target to be effective because it spreads.
Ok now as far as killer bee goes we can also assume Sasuke was somewhat cocky in this fight. I mean to me he was careful enough because of his new found power. One more question do you think Pain or KB is stronger? Killer Bee is strong and a character that we don't know his limits yet. But Sasuke did state he could read him just couldn't act on it.

What? Skill doesnt matter? If you truely believe that then theres no reason to debate with you no matter how much you know about the manga. Also, narutos power doesnt equal skill, lol. Sasuke skills are on a another level than narutos. Thats why naruto can beat strong opponents without super strength and power. Sighs, do you know what skill is?Sasuke's skill isn't greater then naruto's idk were u are getting this from so far this fight naruto has shown way more skill then sasuke did in his last fight so yeah please just stfu. his skills are not on another level hell i remember this being said "if naruto truely mastered sage art then he is on another level now" opps said by one of the smartest people in konoha ON ANOTHER LEVEL NOW, he is so strong anyone who would interfere would just get in his way... that's not the same with sasuke he needed intereference to stay alive against killer bee.

AH HA! Exactly! Naruto has the elemental advantage so all he needs to do is block sasukes attack, right. Well, guess what naruto needs to block sasukes attack. SKILL! Which, naruto doesnt have very much of with a kunai. Do you finally see my point now? Please say yes. its been three post of the same point, but you still have yet to get it.There's no skill in blocking an attack with a kunai u idiot naruto has done this before u need basic skills to just put up a kunai and block the sword what's o hard about this. Are u really that stupid that u believe naruto cannot lift his hand with a kunai and put it out in front of sasuke's sword please tell us all and stop embarrassing urself already i feel so bad fro u really.







No, Jman didnt win. However, it wasnt because he wasnt strong enough, rememeber? Jman had all he needed exept what deva said. "theyre secret"! Yet somehow with pains secrets and a better SM. Naruto still isnt winning. But hows that possible? One word. SKILL! Are you starting to understand?Jiriaya wouldn't have won either way he said so himself that taking on pain in his base form is to much and he couldn't fight all 3 without splitting them up. jiraiya was amazing but naruto is easily doing what jiraiya couldn't. U don't know how the fight would have went god pain fought in their fight. god pain didn't. The fact is 3 pain's gave jiraiya to much trouble because he needed to land a hit on them to take em out naruto wouldn't need to do that u already know why urself. What secret pain's secret isn't his bodies nim rod it's that there is another real 1 somewhere else plus some other stuff jiraiya found out right before he died. however jiraiya couldn' t leve much because pain would then kill the frog right away and figure out what jiraiya wrote so its said"he did this message on the fly". Naruto doesn't know any secret he just knows some of the bodies abilities news flash "that isn't pain's secret". and he is still doing way better then jiraiya he took out 5 bodies and would have won if not for plot.



1. Could of - would of - should of! They couldnt fight as a team beacuse they clearly wanted to protect deva. It wasnt because naruto was too fast, lol. if you consider narutos speed to be what defated the realms then sasuke would rape them, lol. BOT: It wasnt because of anything about naruto. Deva said himself he shouldnt have been so focused on destroying the village. Clearly because of the situation it put him in by being useless.Unfortunatley that's ur assumption not fact buddy. If they wanted to i already showed u how they could have fought easily against naruto and by urwords gaven him a harder time. but the thing is because naruto mastered frog katas he wouldn't need to fight them just throw a punch of let the natural energy do the rest. so yeah even if they fought him like i told u they could have then they would still lose. sasuke isn't faster then naruto that's only in ur imagination jiraiya>sasuke in speed buddy narutosm>jiraiyahm> nuff said drop it..



Dude, What are you talking about? Jman killed the three realms, but hell braught them back, remember? And naruto in Jman situation wouldnt have the comfort of knowing they cant kill him becuase of a bijuu. Face it, it was a completely different fight.No it wasn't as i said jiraiya needed to split them up to casta genjutsu on them why because taijutsu wasn't working due to them being able to catch his speed. so he went into the pipes to formulate another plan. naruto in his situation wouldn't need the pipes he would as i said just need to throw a punch or kick and pain would be dead even if naruto missed u understand. Because naruto mastered sage mode he has luxuries jiraiya didn't. plus jiraiya had a way of fighting them one on one by splitting them up and yet even by connecting his punches he still couldn't kill animal realm.. that just shows u the power naruto has.


...Lol, what do you mean its not equal to tsukuyomi. Sasuke beat tsukuyomi with a regular SG. Just imagine wht his MS genjutsu can do, lol.

this is my problem with u u don't provide any proof to anything u just assume a lot like here, just because he resisted tsukuyomi doesn't mean his mks genjutsu is better lol it doesn't work this way.

p.s. naruto didn't have all the intel on pain this can be proven by katsuya.

animla realm he saw he was the summoner so he knew that
human realm he never saw his abilties he just killed him
demon realm the seam thing as human realm
katsuya told him about fat boy
and about god pain
and he figured out about hell realm himself by seeing the way he was standing so yeah 2 out of 6 isn't really "info" unles U CAN PLEASE PROVIDE US MANGA PROOF SAYING OTHERWISE. But u never do so its not expected because ur posts have no credibility since u can never back up ur claims with any real manga proof or pages only with assumptions.

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lmao @ popions post.. :P

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Don't turn into a zombie on us now.

Don't turn into a zombie on us now.
10ks dagoro for this awsome gif :D
now realy the ping-pong you do in this thread is becomeing to hard to folow

also i dont know what there is to disscus ....
i mean itachi is ITACHI. in this "poll" you cant put him somewhere else than the 1st place.
naruto has SM and with proper micromanagement can go toe to toe with almost any shinobi
sasuke, yes he is strong, but ... he isnt yet oe with his MS. when he will master it he will become more powerfull than the curent naruto. also he must focus on a wider array of jutsu, cuz he has medium chakra pool, so he must have a proper counter for anything the enemy trows at him, just like kakashi

10ks dagoro for this awsome gif :D
now realy the ping-pong you do in this thread is becomeing to hard to folow

also i dont know what there is to disscus ....
i mean itachi is ITACHI. in this "poll" you cant put him somewhere else than the 1st place.
naruto has SM and with proper micromanagement can go toe to toe with almost any shinobi
sasuke, yes he is strong, but ... he isnt yet oe with his MS. when he will master it he will become more powerfull than the curent naruto. also he must focus on a wider array of jutsu, cuz he has medium chakra pool, so he must have a proper counter for anything the enemy trows at him, just like kakashi

Exactley i said the same thing a while back its how it always is sasuke is strogner then anruto surpasses him sasuke thinks he is weaker then naruto does some evil shit became stronger naruto trained again he became the more superior sasuke finds out takes itachi's eyes become = or strogner then naruto finally surpasss his father thus once again and once and for all show up sasuke...

Now that sasuek has the mks he risks a lot because mks takes a lot of chakra so he won't be able to do the stuff he used to do it doesn't work like that, forget about seeing kirin ever again if he uses it it will be his last move before he dies or loses.

Right now Naruto>sasuke its not hard to see soon it will be naruto=sasuke or sasuke>naruto.

At the end of the manga and day naruto will be the strongest ever he will even surpass his father then the manga ends done deal... Kyf just can't accept it even the most hardcore sasuek fanboys have come to terms that naruto outranks him now. back when sasuke was strogner i never argued the fact no point because it was obvious who was the more superior.

Naruto was trained to kill pain Pain>sasuke anyday pain>itachi anyday..

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Dude he was referring to Jariaya knowing who Pain is not his weaknesses. What relevance does that have?No, your right. There wasnt the secret that three more were waiting to jump his ass, lol. Deva said our secret, not my secret. Meaning his idenity! What was "there" secret? IDK, there strengths and weaknesses.


Doesn't matter, I'm stating this point because you have to understand how much harder he is here. I mean sure Naruto came with help but so fucking what.The toads got fucked up by god pain anyway along with Pa.Much harder than before? NAruto has a better SM, more info, the saftey of not being killed by pain "hes a jinchuuriki" and the realms are sitting still in the middle of a field like easy pickens. How is that harder?


No, the Frogs defeated 3 pains with the genjutsu. All Jaraiya had to do was stab them after. Jariaya is slower than Naruto by the time one pain approaches he fucks him up before back up happens. But let's say he tried more what difference would that make unless it was god pain? Jariaya was fucked by joint vision not the teaming. The read him like a book don't you understand? LOL! The frogs wouldve ended up like they are now in this fight "one dead and the other weaping". However, Jman formulated a plan and executed it making the pains able to be hit by the genjutsu. They didnt stand still in the middle of a field that used to be a village and just let themselves be caught in genjutsu, lol.

There vision didnt beat Jman, lol. They sneak attacked from behind by "secretly" hiding three other realms. Because if Jman knew there were three other realms. He wouldnt let his gaurd down after only defeating three.
Also, dont ask me if I understand Jmans fight, lol. Ive studied that fight three times already. Have you even read those chapters more than once?


Oh really? Then why did he throw rasengan when eat your chakra pain was there? And why did certain other things surprise Naruto in the fight? Like god pain or the pain that brings other bodies back? He was fed info as things occured unless you can provide proof to back your claims.
LOL! I cant argue with you if you cant even remember three or four chapters ago, lol. Given info in while fighting or before. What does it matter? Jman had to work for that info, not have a slug on his shoulder to wisper secrets, lol.
Ill be back with a couple of links when Im done with this reply.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/431/12/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/434/09/
Here you go. Since naruto already knwe each body only used one ability then animal realm and hell realm were obvious. Well, human realm doesnt even matter, lol.

I read the manga kid and I enjoyed all of it. I think you need to clear your issues with Naruto and Jman. Just face the facts the only difference between them is Jman exprience otherwise Naruto to me outranks him. And by exprience I mean many jutsus, battle tatics, etc.
Reading the manga and remembering the manga are two different things, young lady! Yes, the difference between them is expirience, skill, startegy and perverted intentions, lol.

Yes, I already admitted this in another thread. It's a little more than speed so sorry you're right. As for as being faster in their first fight you are sadly mistaken. Sasuke for the most part was faster and had slightly better taijutsu. What? Naruto went kyuubi and zoomed around like a damn jet, lol. All sasuke could do was use his SG to anticipate, time and counter attack. sasuke was faster when naruto wasnt tapping into kyuubi power, but once naruto did that, He had the speed, power advantage. Ill be back with the link.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/230/08/
Here we see sasuke can now follow narutos movements at least. However, a SG can always see faster movements than what the iser is capable of reacting to.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/230/11/
Here we see sasuke using strategy to overcome his lack of speed and stamina.
Yes, I totally understand strategy. Do you understand not sticking your foot in your mouth? Zabuza's fight is a perfect example of thinking more than one move ahead. He was a genin here if i'm not mistaken. I understand why people think this way off Naruto because whenever he uses the ninetails is straight out attacks. Anyway I still say in those fights Sasuke was too comfortable to judge on strategy. What it only works in certain fights? ok, you understand strategy. So, how many moves ahead did naruto think against zabuza to free kakashi?


Jesus, you have been brainwashed. Amaterasu was effective on his beast, why? Maybe because it was the size of a fucking mountain, lol. Amaterasu only needs to hit a piece of it's target to be effective because it spreads.
Ok now as far as killer bee goes we can also assume Sasuke was somewhat cocky in this fight. I mean to me he was careful enough because of his new found power. One more question do you think Pain or KB is stronger? Killer Bee is strong and a character that we don't know his limits yet. But Sasuke did state he could read him just couldn't act on it.WHos stronger? Well, why dont we see what else KB can do before making that decision. Sasuke said that? ill go check it out.

Also, ill be back with those links.

Im back. Sasuke said he couldnt follow KB when he was in hachibi mode, lol. Not while he was fighting the regular KB.

Exactley i said the same thing a while back its how it always is sasuke is strogner then anruto surpasses him sasuke thinks he is weaker then naruto does some evil shit became stronger naruto trained again he became the more superior sasuke finds out takes itachi's eyes become = or strogner then naruto finally surpasss his father thus once again and once and for all show up sasuke...

Now that sasuek has the mks he risks a lot because mks takes a lot of chakra so he won't be able to do the stuff he used to do it doesn't work like that, forget about seeing kirin ever again if he uses it it will be his last move before he dies or loses.

Right now Naruto>sasuke its not hard to see soon it will be naruto=sasuke or sasuke>naruto.

At the end of the manga and day naruto will be the strongest ever he will even surpass his father then the manga ends done deal... Kyf just can't accept it even the most hardcore sasuek fanboys have come to terms that naruto outranks him now. back when sasuke was strogner i never argued the fact no point because it was obvious who was the more superior.

Naruto was trained to kill pain Pain>sasuke anyday pain>itachi anyday..

LOL, you keep bitching at me about proof. Wheres the proof for this BS?

I wont hold my breath waiting, lol.

LOL, you keep bitching at me about proof. Wheres the proof for this BS?

I wont hold my breath waiting, lol.

I showed u proof though out this whole argument posting manga reference's etc etc u have yet to post anything useful u freaking TOOL.

The only reason naruto went to train is to beef up to take down pain proof number 1

Fukasaku"come train with me the way jiraiya trained etc etc"

Naruto"will i be able to beat pain"

Fukasaku"idk but u never will the way u are now".

The only reason he went to train is to kill pain/nagato that's why kishimoto made him so powerful.

As i said i never argued the fact that sasuke was weaker then naruto when they first met even though i could have since "there was no proof" but only a fucking idiot would say naruto would actually win back then, it was clear sasuke was the more superior one. Just as it is clear now that naruto is.

Uhm, that's actually a null argument since Naruto still had Kyuubi back then and Sasuke had nothing in his arsenal that could face Kyuubi back then!! We do all remember how Sasuke got pawned by Haku before Naruto was consumed by the Nine-Tails, which would have happened had Haku managed to hit Naruto anyway!!

Much harder than before? NAruto has a better SM, more info, the saftey of not being killed by pain "hes a jinchuuriki" and the realms are sitting still in the middle of a field like easy pickens. How is that harder?I already told u if they wanted to fight him 3 on 1 they could have easily done this but they knew he was to quick so they instead they went 1 by 1 to make sure deva was gonna be alright. because if they went all together naruto would throw punches miss and kill them then deva would be easy to kill u know what i mean dude.


LOL! The frogs wouldve ended up like they are now in this fight "one dead and the other weaping". However, Jman formulated a plan and executed it making the pains able to be hit by the genjutsu. They didnt stand still in the middle of a field that used to be a village and just let themselves be caught in genjutsu, lol.Jiraiya needed to split them up because he couldn't win otherwise his attacks were not working and since he doesn't have, a fully mastered sage mode he can't just miss and kill them like naruto can u get it now. that's the simplest way i can tell u it.

There vision didnt beat Jman, lol. They sneak attacked from behind by "secretly" hiding three other realms. Because if Jman knew there were three other realms. He wouldnt let his gaurd down after only defeating three.
Also, dont ask me if I understand Jmans fight, lol. Ive studied that fight three times already. Have you even read those chapters more than once?U must have really not "studied" it enough because they weren't hiding lol jiraiya got to summoner to slow the the same second he hit him in the throat a second before that animal realm summoned the other 3. Look closely at the panel urself check it out u'll see 3 puffs of smoke behind jiraiya right after he hit animal realm.



LOL! I cant argue with you if you cant even remember three or four chapters ago, lol. Given info in while fighting or before. What does it matter? Jman had to work for that info, not have a slug on his shoulder to wisper secrets, lol.
Ill be back with a couple of links when Im done with this reply.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/431/12/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/434/09/
Here you go. Since naruto already knwe each body only used one ability then animal realm and hell realm were obvious. Well, human realm doesnt even matter, lol.Jiraiya had 2 toads on hi shoulders fighting beside him thus he had the luxury of field advantage he hid and casted a genjutsu. Katsuya as i pointed out before told him about fat realm and deva pain. demon realm he killed on the spot with his speed,human realm was killed before he can do anything, animal realm was obvious for him and he figured out hell realm alone. U also have to understand that when demon realm was charging at tsunade naruto was far away from her he got there in a second even with demon realm in tsunades face, the other pains were looking at naruto if they had been able to keep up demon realm would see the attack cause of their shared vision and just move to the side..




What? Naruto went kyuubi and zoomed around like a damn jet, lol. All sasuke could do was use his SG to anticipate, time and counter attack. sasuke was faster when naruto wasnt tapping into kyuubi power, but once naruto did that, He had the speed, power advantage. Ill be back with the link.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/230/08/
Here we see sasuke can now follow narutos movements at least. However, a SG can always see faster movements than what the iser is capable of reacting to.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/230/11/
Here we see sasuke using strategy to overcome his lack of speed and stamina.that's not strategy he finally activated a full 3 tome sharingan thus he was able to keep up with naruto there is no strategy in their. and once naruto went tailed form his sharingan went through the window.......

ok, you understand strategy. So, how many moves ahead did naruto think against zabuza to free kakashi?about 3 he was able to transform into a flying shuriken then hide another one in its shadow thus free kakashi and have zabuza's control gone. FYI just to make u look a bit more foolish lol SASUKE USED NARUTO'S strategy AGAINST ITACHI lol.


WHos stronger? Well, why dont we see what else KB can do before making that decision. Sasuke said that? ill go check it out.

Also, ill be back with those links.

Im back. Sasuke said he couldnt follow KB when he was in hachibi mode, lol. Not while he was fighting the regular KB.U either can't read or ur playing stupid for fun, because this is what sasuke said. "he is fast but he moves in a straight line i can see his movements" he couldn't follow killer bee when killer bee did his sword dance which is why he got nearly killed. Because unlike kyuubi's chakra hachibi's chakra didn't move on its own which is why sasuke could follow it.


There's really nothing else u i or anyone can add everything u have said so far has been coutnered and u just keep repeating urself in a different manner.

I know who pwns all, I know!
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I think we all know that Itachi would own pretty much everyone in the Manga even with his sickness. As for the Naruto vs. Sasuke, Myth what makes you think Naruto would even be in Sage Mode if he and Sasuke were to fight?

I think we all know that Itachi would own pretty much everyone in the Manga even with his sickness. As for the Naruto vs. Sasuke, Myth what makes you think Naruto would even be in Sage Mode if he and Sasuke were to fight?

in case u haven't noticed we are discussing "if he was in sage mode" he can easily do it just summon a frog and u also have to understand that this is just the beginning, he will for sure find a way to do it while fighting besides the way he has now..

Also it doesn't take him that long to gather if u check the parts where he trains he gathers it within seconds the problem is sustaining it which he needs clones to do it...

but gathering it is no problem he can just make 100 clones send them to keep sasuke busy by the time they are gone he is in sage mode... lol i didn't think something so logical would need to be explained yet here i am explaing something logical to some unknown person...

p.s. itachi wouldnt own everyone or pretty much everyone either....ZzzZZZZzzz

Also it doesn't take him that long to gather if u check the parts where he trains he gathers it within seconds the problem is sustaining it which he needs clones to do it...




I agree with you there. Thanks to the last chap that is canon fact now. Naruto went into stillness instantly when HG grabbed him.

Naruto is a Master

http://www.narutocentral.com/manga.php?s=naruto&c=434&p=12
It clearly says that Naruto can only have two clones focusing the Sage chakra and have three fighting with him. I dont think it would take that long to figure out that Naruto is up to something

in case u haven't noticed we are discussing "if he was in sage mode" he can easily do it just summon a frog and u also have to understand that this is just the beginning, he will for sure find a way to do it while fighting besides the way he has now..

Also it doesn't take him that long to gather if u check the parts where he trains he gathers it within seconds the problem is sustaining it which he needs clones to do it...

but gathering it is no problem he can just make 100 clones send them to keep sasuke busy by the time they are gone he is in sage mode... lol i didn't think something so logical would need to be explained yet here i am explaing something logical to some unknown person...

p.s. itachi wouldnt own everyone or pretty much everyone either....ZzzZZZZzzz

I believe he would, his MS is Godly. He owned Kakashi without even using full force, nuff said.

I believe he would, his MS is Godly. He owned Kakashi without even using full force, nuff said.

Even without it he was a beast. Myth thinks just cause Naruto can go into Sage Mode he is invincible. I do admit That Naruto is really strong in SM, but he is not invincible either.

Not so fast lol. Itachi was very powerful, however Madara and Pein are the top dogs. Also 1 thing i find very funny, Oro auto-loses to sharingan for some reason which i think is bs. Inside Itachi's mind, yes Oro loses its canon fact but in a fight I believe Oro has a decent shot. Oro was pretty ridiculous and i think due to his background with Itachi people count him out from the get-go. I mean come on the man can tank almost anything without dying i find it hard to belive he would go down in seconds against itachi in a fight to the finish.

The problem here is db and other previous shit being compared to current in the wrong fashion. What I'm saying is people automactically think that Jariaya > Pain. That is fucking false just because the dude was beast doesn't mean he can't lose. He was also old and well past his prime.

Another is Itachi and I know I'm going to get blasted for bring his name up. He is another one I thought was sick as fuck but when thinking about the overall manga you can't say he is top dog. For one until the madara mystery is cleared up. We all know something was going on there but we don't understand Itachi's role. Another is him taking orders from pain. was that just his mission? And even so how does all his jutsus and abilities match up to Pain.

I'm not saying that there isn't a strong possibility that he wouldn't win but who knows. Especially if we start Naruto in sage mode. If not then I'll probably give it to Itatchi if he is at full health. Naruto needs to step up his normal mode game up a bit before I switch my opinion.

Also on naruto not starting in sage mode in this applies in a sasuke match. Naruto could Just make 2-3 clones send them away or one while he fights. Then when it gathers enough energy release it. He has proven his abiltity to gather it and a technique to use it in battle that is unique to him. I mean of course for high ranking battles he might not get time to do such things but who knows in the future.

Itachi had to take orders from Pain. If not his cover would have been blown.

Naruto>Itachi>Sasuke

It was a close shot(Naruto>Itachi) but because SM i have to say that Naruto would beat him. But it would be an epic battle.

I believe he would, his MS is Godly. He owned Kakashi without even using full force, nuff said.

who the fuk is kakashi naruto would murder him with 1 hit to the face.

Shodaime
sarutobi prime
pain madara
Minato aka strongest ninja from the leaf /greatest hokage
Jiriaya hermit mode

all these guys would kill em

Naruto in sage mode would also give him big problems and would prob win...


shodaime - beat madar ain his prime with kyuubi
Minato put the kyubi down defeated armies on his own within seconds people were ordered to flee on a sighting
Madara greatest uchiha ever even took a technique minato created further
Pain - this guy would rape itachi
jiraiya - in sage mode would kill itachi as well hell in his base form he would give itachi big problems
Sarutobi prime was called the god of all ninja
Naruto in sage mode is boosted to kill pain pain>itachi nuff said
Not saying naruto would kill itachi off the bat no but the problem is u people don't understand that naruto's sage mode i mastered and is to deadly.

Taijutsu with naruto spells death for almost everyone,he is fast powerful durable quick thinking it would be a good fight but it's either a draw both die itachi from using susanoo or naruto kills him.

Hope you read this and understand it.

We have Sasuke, Naruto and Itachi.

Itachi was a great shinobi. His skill was amazing. No doubt in that Itachi would kill Sasuke on instant. He was holding back in that battle, we all know that.

Let's just see what Itachi did to Sasuke while holding back:
-Almost killed him.
-Murdered Orochimaru
-Survived Kirin
-Made Sasuke go all out(if he wasn't going to let him win, Sasuke would be dead for sure)

There is no point in arguing, Itachi>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sasuke(ALL HAIL ITACHI xD)

Now, we have Itachi vs Naruto.
Naruto has a huge advantage of SM.
Let's see what he can do:
-He is a lot faster
-Frog katas
-4 rashurikens
-a lot of crazy rasengans
-can endure a lot of damage

SM is great, but will Naruto last against someone like Itachi?
Hmmm...

SM's limit is 5 minutes. If Naruto and Itachi fought all alone with no1 to help them, Itachi would own his ass. one Tsukuyomi blast and waiting for SM to fade away.
In case Itachi's Tsu blast fails, Naruto would own his ass.
Amaterasu can be easly countered with shadow clones and susanoo...idk about susanoo, but I'm sure that Naruto would reach Itachi before he uses Susanoo.

So, Naruto>Itachi(by a small chance)

Yes, both Naruto and Itachi would own Sasuke. He's way to weak to take any of them on(in full power). Naruto would kill him on instant.

So:

Naruto>Itachi>Sasuke

Naruto>Itachi>Sasuke

It was a close shot(Naruto>Itachi) but because SM i have to say that Naruto would beat him. But it would be an epic battle.

You serious... naruto does not pwn Itachi even in sage mode. Far from it lol.

How about adding Jariaya to the mix since he was brought up anyway? Naruto>Jariaya>Itachi>Sasuke?

Itachi and Jariaya could be on top of Naruto but we can't be sure. No one has seen if Naruto can get into sagemode effectively in battles. We can assume this and that but until the manga shows you won't know. If Naruto isn't in sage mode he'll probably lose the fight but atleast drive them into using some decent jutsus. And before Tsuyknomi is thrown here again we don't know how eye techs like this effect sage mode or even other eye users. (byukugan or rinngenan)

You serious... naruto does not pwn Itachi even in sage mode. Far from it lol.

I would have to agree. Naruto wouldn't be able to get near Itachi. And if he could then he would either use Tysukomi or Amaestueru.Also if those didin't work he could use Susano.

I would have to agree. Naruto wouldn't be able to get near Itachi. And if he could then he would either use Tysukomi or Amaestueru.Also if those didin't work he could use Susano.

Man fuck that Naruto using sexy jutsu would own the fuck out of Itachi. That guy has been busy for so long you know he hasn't gotten any action. Poor guy...:D

Another is Itachi and I know I'm going to get blasted for bring his name up. He is another one I thought was sick as fuck but when thinking about the overall manga you can't say he is top dog. .


I agree with you and yes, you and i both will get flamed lol.

Here is my problem with Itachi: I understand why he has such a die hard fan base because of his cool demeanor, however in terms of power i believe he is seriously overhyped.

Sure he was a genjutsu master probably the best in the manga ( not counting madara since he has yet to do something in serie ) but as far as ninjutsu goes his arsenal isn't much better than Sasuke's probably inferior. Taijutsu, well he is fast but he doesn't seem to be awesome at it but thats ok because i don't think thats his thing anyway.

MS, this is where he gets his hype from. He was great at using it i get that, however i believe his fans are under the impression that he can just spam MS techs as much as he wants and thats definetely not the case. It consumes a lot of chakra and caused his eye's to deteriorate further, so its safe to asume he only used it when necessary. Itachi is very strong but definetely has his limitations therefore not unbeatable.

Anyway im pretty sure im gonna get flamed and called names but what im saying is Itachi is not this god shinobi people persieve him to be. I still think Oro can take him, but im sure someone will write a huge rant about how Susano > everything yada yada yada. Susano is awesome but its not some kind of mechsuit itachi can just pop on and off.

I agree with you and yes, you and i both will get flamed lol.

Here is my problem with Itachi: I understand why he has such a die hard fan base because of his cool demeanor, however in terms of power i believe he is seriously overhyped.

Sure he was a genjutsu master probably the best in the manga ( not counting madara since he has yet to do something in serie ) but as far as ninjutsu goes his arsenal isn't much better than Sasuke's probably inferior. Taijutsu, well he is fast but he doesn't seem to be awesome at it but thats ok because i don't think thats his thing anyway.

MS, this is where he gets his hype from. He was great at using it i get that however i believe his fans are under the impression that he can just spam MS techs as much as he wants and thats definetely not the case. It consumes a lot of chakra and caused his eye's to deteriorate further, so its safe to asume he only used when necessary. Itachi is very strong but definetely has his limitations therefore not unbeatable.

Anyway im pretty sure im gonna get flamed and called names but im saying is Itachi is not this god shinobi people persieve him to be. I still think Oro can take him, but im sure someone will write a huge rant about how Susano > everything yada yada yada.

I'm just going to add that people need to change their mentality here. It has to be that even if you have a kickass ninja there is a possiblity he and his jutsu can be beat. How the fuck is someone or something going to invincible if it was only shown once and not detailed enough.

I decided to give up on trying to make KYF understand i rather talk about naruto and itachi the real top dogs.

Just to put it in plain and simple terms,

Orochimaru himself said

kabuto"u manged to beat the hokage they were praised as to be the strongest of all other kages" (he' meant that the hokage name is far more powerful then any other kage in the ninja world)

oro"don't something... or i'll kill you"

kabuto: but u managed to do what u wanted (refering to sasuke)"

orochimaru"yes but my jutsu in exchange for that was it really worth it"

kabuto"had itachi joined us this would have been easily done"

orochimaru"yes but attaing him now is an impossible task HE IS STRONGER THEN ME"


There's ur answer to whom was stronger then whom from oro himself.

^ k. I'll take Oro's argument at face value. I could make a good case on why that argument has holes in it but i rather not.

.lmfao Looks like you broke their shackels!

I'll start with Naruto vs. Itachi because I never had the chance...

In the long run Itachi will beat Naruto because as the battle drags on as Itachi extensively uses Mangekyou Sharingan (this includes the unbeatable Sasunoo).

On the flipside, if Naruto is to beat Itachi, it would have to be a very fast battle, this means Naruto would have to put the smash on Itachi early and stop him from using his more powerful techniques.

In Sage Mode, Naruto's speed, ninjutsu, genjutsu, and power are enhanced greatly. This means that Naruto will be able to keep up with Itachi's speed and Shadow clones will be matched accordingly (although Naruto can only make three shadow clones in Sage Mode, Itachi does not make that many anyway).

Taijutsu wise, Naruto has the upperhand because the speed and power of Frog Katas is difficult to be pinpointed by the eyes of the sharingan, on top of this, Naruto's ninjutus are beefed, so that means Itachi would have to avoid close quarters all together. Itachi has genjutsu, however due to Naruto's improved genjutsu defense from Sage Mode, those crow illusions may useless.

Itachi would have to use the Fire Element from mid to far range, however I don't know how effective they will be on a tough skinned Naruto. And if Itachi stays too far from Naruto, I doubt Naruto would have any qualms about tossing a Rasen Shuriken at him. However, Itachi can pop out Amaterasu pretty quickly, so it would just be burned right through. Itachi would have to use Mangekyou Sharingan to win. Tsukoyomi may do Naruto in unless he is able to control the Kyuubi and use it to burst him out. So Itachi wins if Naruto can't control the Kyuubi. I'm not sure how Naruto would counter Amaterasu. He's fast, but can he evade it forever?

Naruto would have move extremely fast and take down Itachi before Amaterasu hits him. But Itachi can fire off a second Amaterasu, this means, Naruto would have to strike from behind to distract him, then attack from another angle.

If Naruto can't be Itachi before Sasunoo than its all over. Unless Naruto summons Toad Sage and has it use the Toad Genjutsu to penetrate Itachi's brain... But I doubt Itachi would wait for Naruto to prepare for such and attack, so the only option is stopping Itachi before he use Sasunoo.

I decided to give up on trying to make KYF understand i rather talk about naruto and itachi the real top dogs.

Just to put it in plain and simple terms,

Orochimaru himself said

kabuto"u manged to beat the hokage they were praised as to be the strongest of all other kages" (he' meant that the hokage name is far more powerful then any other kage in the ninja world)

oro"don't something... or i'll kill you"

kabuto: but u managed to do what u wanted (refering to sasuke)"

orochimaru"yes but my jutsu in exchange for that was it really worth it"

kabuto"had itachi joined us this would have been easily done"

orochimaru"yes but attaing him now is an impossible task HE IS STRONGER THEN ME"


There's ur answer to whom was stronger then whom from oro himself.

I agree with everything up to that Orochimaru vs Itachi thing. Ya he said that but come on. I mean if orochimaru had a counter for ms then I really don't think that would be. I know Itachi had it but what if he found counters to tsuyknomi ? And I have a feeling that amaterasu could be counter as well. I'm not sure on this fight though.

If I give Itachi a victory here it will be on his eyes combined on his knowledge of Orochimaru and his abilties. Still Oro was a badass in his own right even if he got bitch slapped a few times.

How about adding Jariaya to the mix since he was brought up anyway? Naruto>Jariaya>Itachi>Sasuke?

Itachi and Jariaya could be on top of Naruto but we can't be sure. No one has seen if Naruto can get into sagemode effectively in battles. We can assume this and that but until the manga shows you won't know. If Naruto isn't in sage mode he'll probably lose the fight but atleast drive them into using some decent jutsus. And before Tsuyknomi is thrown here again we don't know how eye techs like this effect sage mode or even other eye users. (byukugan or rinngenan)

No you got it wrong

Itachi>Naruto>Sasuke

Naruto may pwn sasuke right now is sage mode but there is no way he can pwn itachi right now. Naruto in his current state is good but not good enough to go against Itachi. You can't say the sharingan dont work on you if your in sage mode. I seriously doubt sage mode stops that. Itachi just has to tire naruto out long enough till he runs out of sage mode then Naruto has to fight Itachi with his eyes closed.

No you got it wrong

Itachi>Naruto>Sasuke

Naruto may pwn sasuke right now is sage mode but there is no way he can pwn itachi right now. Naruto in his current state is good but not good enough to go against Itachi. You can't say the sharingan dont work on you if your in sage mode. I seriously doubt sage mode stops that. Itachi just has to tire naruto out long enough till he runs out of sage mode then Naruto has to fight Itachi with his eyes closed.

I think people are really underestimating sagemode. I mean if naruto gets into it itachi will be in the defensive because he will have beaten him in most stats. I think we know Naruto doesn't have much chance out of sage mode but still there is room for growth.

What I meant about sharingan not effecting sage mode is it isn't proven. i'm going to assume it doesn't because if we are talking about genjutsu you have to mess with chakra a bit and as we know it's a little bit more in sm. Also he didn't use it on jariaya who wasn't in sage mode back in the hotel. you can bring the excuse of it wasn't part of his mission but he still ended up using amaterasu. He never planned on jariaya doing! Well he is a fucking sage what do you expect. So i'll lean that the almighty sharingans and ms have limits and certain people it's less effective on. I mean somehow the 1st hokage took on madara and won. we don't know the details but it's exactly this fact that we shouldn't assume one character is uber over anyone.

I like Itachi too rip but people are stacking this guy way too high.

P.s. edit you double posted the same.

Sauron the thing is itachi's skill isn't only mks those 3 techniques maybe his most powerful ones but he also utilizes the fire and water elements orochimaru is a earth and wind user so itachi beats him the elemental department.

Aside from that he was the anbu squad captain at the age of 13 this was before he killed Seshui, because when the 3 uchiha's confront him his father says "the anbu has been keeping him busy", u don't get a rank like anbu squad captain at 13 just like that.

He is damn near flawless in almost all shinobi skills ninjutsu and taijutsu are very high genjutsu the best in the series so far i mean he casts them with body parts.. his speed and jutsu speed is beyond crazy not even a sharingan could follow how quick he uses his jutsu, he made 3 jounin look like gennins or worse.

Orochimaru is tough no doubt about it he was a rival to even jiraiya but that was before they started to get older oro could have ebb far stronger had he not wasted his time finding bodies and doing experiments.

Itachi just plain and simple by his own words out classes orochimaru..

As for naruto and itachi.

Basically what Tso said would go cept that amaterasu is the worst move to use on naruto who can create shadow clones and diver the attack.

Amaterasu works in this way.. It goes on till it burns the target that is in the users eyes, however the sharingan can only see so much, it cannot tell the difference between a shadow clone or a real body so if naruto were to make 3 clones plus himself that would mean 4 narutos once the amaterasu hits a body it will stop because the jutsu works by hitting ur target if u don't know which target is urs it will hit w/e it goes to and if its the same body as a real target the amaterasu will stop.

The fight goes down to this if itachi can last long enough against naruto he wins by bringing out susanoo if he can't last long enough he's done for.. the fight would be a matter of whom can out last whom and how quick can each 1 put the other one away.

This is how it stands now from mnaga and databooks BOTH WRITTEN BY THE SAME PERSON.

Base jiraiya = itachi

Sage mode naruto >sasuke

Hm jiraiya>itachi

Regular naruto<sasuke most likely.

Sauron the thing is itachi's skill isn't only mks those 3 techniques maybe his most powerful ones but he also utilizes the fire and water elements orochimaru is a earth and wind user so itachi beats him the elemental department.

Aside from that he was the anbu squad captain at the age of 13 this was before he killed Seshui, because when the 3 uchiha's confront him his father says "the anbu has been keeping him busy", u don't get a rank like anbu squad captain at 13 just like that.

He is damn near flawless in almost all shinobi skills ninjutsu and taijutsu are very high genjutsu the best in the series so far i mean he casts them with body parts.. his speed and jutsu speed is beyond crazy not even a sharingan could follow how quick he uses his jutsu, he made 3 jounin look like gennins or worse.

Orochimaru is tough no doubt about it he was a rival to even jiraiya but that was before they started to get older oro could have ebb far stronger had he not wasted his time finding bodies and doing experiments.

Itachi just plain and simple by his own words out classes orochimaru..

As for naruto and itachi.

Basically what Tso said would go cept that amaterasu is the worst move to use on naruto who can create shadow clones and diver the attack.

Amaterasu works in this way.. It goes on till it burns the target that is in the users eyes, however the sharingan can only see so much, it cannot tell the difference between a shadow clone or a real body so if naruto were to make 3 clones plus himself that would mean 4 narutos once the amaterasu hits a body it will stop because the jutsu works by hitting ur target if u don't know which target is urs it will hit w/e it goes to and if its the same body as a real target the amaterasu will stop.

The fight goes down to this if itachi can last long enough against naruto he wins by bringing out susanoo if he can't last long enough he's done for.. the fight would be a matter of whom can out last whom and how quick can each 1 put the other one away.

This is how it stands now from mnaga and databooks BOTH WRITTEN BY THE SAME PERSON.

Base jiraiya = itachi

Sage mode naruto >sasuke

Hm jiraiya>itachi

Regular naruto<sasuke most likely.

DBs are absolutely flawed. Kishi wrote them yes, however way too many things contradict manga evidence which at least in my book has much more credibility than DBs because they actually happened.

Itachi was an anbu cap at 13, great !! however Kakashi passed the chunnin examns when he was like 6 or something yet super ninja he is not.

In Terms of ninjutsu Itachi's arsenal is not as ample as sasuke's yet he received a 5 in the DB. Either his MS earned him that or jutsu strenght was a factor. Lets be honest the only ninja worthy of a 5 in ninjutsu are the likes of Sarutobi, kazuzo, oro and kakashi even for their vast knowledge in that area.

I agree with you when it comes to genjutsu. Itachi was without equal in that department.

Anyway the way i examine the situation when it comes to Oro vs itachi is their overall abilities. Oro had significant advantages over itachi. Summoning was one of them. Also his durabity is almost unmatched, Naruto's kyubi regen might compete.

I agree that Itachi would win by using susano but Oro has a decent shot of taking it before thay happens.

In regards to Base Naruto vs Base Sasuke i have my doubts. Their encounter back at Oro's hideout was kind of lame. However the current Naruto should be much faster and have better taijutsu due to Frog katas training, taijutsu and speed are the only things Sasuke had on base Naruto before however i doubt thats the case now. Ninjutsu wise their pretty much even.

DBs are absolutely flawed. Kishi wrote them yes, however way too many things contradict manga evidence which at least in my book has much more credibility than DBs because they actually happened.Problem is u have to know how to look at them they aren't just numbers these are the stats of the shinobi just like base ball players or nab players have stats through out their carrier this is their stats, it means no plot bullshit no kishis support this is how strong they are. Manga isn't as true as u think for example deidara in the data books is more skilled then sasuke yet sasuke was albe tow in THROUGH PLOT. To me whatever kishi writes goes brotha or i wouldn't be reading the mnaga.

Itachi was an anbu cap at 13, great !! however Kakashi passed the chunnin examns when he was like 6 or something yet super ninja he is not. He passed them at 6 yes but he hit his peak earlier then other that's all there is to, he became jounin when he was 13 years old that means for 6 years after he passed chunnin he was not promoted os yeah makes sense actually. Kakashi created his own jutsu... not many have done that.

In Terms of ninjutsu Itachi's arsenal is not as ample as sasuke's yet he received a 5 in the DB. Just because u know a lot of ninjutsu doesn't mean u get a 5. these numbers aren't only in what u do they defense offense ability to use and how u use them. sarutobi got a 10 for genjutsu in the first databook on a scale of 1-10 but he never used genjutsu thus it's said genjutsu defense. people just look at the databook an d say oh his numbers are higher his numbers are lower without even knowing what those numbers mean or why they were assigned. sasuke doesn't have much ninjutsu he has like 4 chidori variations and some fire jutsu along with kirin that;'s how deepo he is in ninjutsu, itachi can pretty much do every fire jutsu sasuke can because of the trademark uchiha fire techniques plus he has water jutsu and uses kage bushinn but exploding ones much more deadlier then the regular ones. his kage bushinn are pretty advanced for 2 reason he got the exploding part from deidar and infused it with his regular kage bushinn technique. amaterasu and susanoo also contribute to his jutsu arsenal. also its not how many jutsu u have its how strong they are how well u use them and how good they work in terms of range and shit.. if u look at the databooks the right way they all match up to everything the manga has shown..



Anyway the way i examine the situation when it comes to Oro vs itachi is their overall abilities. Oro had significant advantages over itachi. Summoning was one of them. Also his durabity is almost unmatched, Naruto's kyubi regen might compete. His durability was unmatched because he wasn't human don't forget he was a snake i doubt he was that durable when he was human.

I agree that Itachi would win by using susano but Oro has a decent shot of taking it before thay happens.Itachi would win with 1 genjutsu he completely fucked up orochimaru when he was a child. Oor's number 1 weakness is a sharingan genjutsu he maybe good in defense againt any other but sharingan genjutsu was his weakness hell the sharingan itself was his weakness. Itachi casted a paralyzing genjutsu on him on sliced of his arm with ease. one tsukuyomi to him and he would be dead there is no comparing those 2.

In regards to Base Naruto vs Base Sasuke i have my doubts. Their encounter back at Oro's hideout was kind of lame. However the current Naruto should be much faster and have better taijutsu due to Frog katas training, taijutsu and speed are the only things Sasuke had on base Naruto before however i doubt thats the case now. Ninjutsu wise their pretty much even.agreed when they first met sasuke would beat him though maybe not as easily as everyone thought but he would win.

itachi he's the only ninja that I have seen that could stand in one spot and still kick your ass hes just that strong.

sasuke he is strong but would lose anyday to itachi or the current naruto. Why naruto you ask because what i have seen manga wise naruto is the better battle strategist and with his new abilities in sage mode(super strenght, speed, superior taijutsu, being able to see chakra etc etc) he would become a big problem for sasuke, that mainly uses his "sharingan" to judge his opponents jutsus and strategy's from there, but sasuke will always get stronger in order for naruto to get stronger.

naruto: could put up a good fight against itachi but I still don't know what the end results may be, but against sasuke this battlefield genuis would give him a run for his money

itachi he's the only ninja that I have seen that could stand in one spot and still kick your ass hes just that strong.

sasuke he is strong but would lose anyday to itachi or the current naruto. Why naruto you ask because what i have seen manga wise naruto is the better battle strategist and with his new abilities in sage mode(super strenght, speed, superior taijutsu, being able to see chakra etc etc) he would become a big problem for sasuke, that mainly uses his "sharingan" to judge his opponents jutsus and strategy's from there, but sasuke will always get stronger in order for naruto to get stronger.

naruto: could put up a good fight against itachi but I still don't know what the end results may be, but against sasuke this battlefield genuis would give him a run for his money

I agree.. Naruto would have to do more then what he has done against Pain in Sage Mode against Itachi. Thats my opinion. Its just what i see right now from Naruto im sorry but i dont see him beating Itachi. Sasuke probably so but Itachi no.

I agree.. Naruto would have to do more then what he has done against Pain in Sage Mode against Itachi. Thats my opinion. Its just what i see right now from Naruto im sorry but i dont see him beating Itachi. Sasuke probably so but Itachi no.

u just indirectly said itachi>pain lol when we ALL know is not true if naruto did what he did against pain to itachi he would wipe his ass with the uchiha... trust me.. if it looks big on pain it will look bigger on itachi.

No thats not what i meant.. The pains are dead bodies and dont think to well when it comes to thinking and dodging things. They are after all puppets. Yahiko and Hell shown a little more thinking by dodging. Itachi was alive and with him being a live he would be able to think a litte more then the pains that have died. Could itachi kill human,animal,demon and hungry ghost realms.. yeah i think he could.

No thats not what i meant.. The pains are dead bodies and dont think to well when it comes to thinking and dodging things. They are after all puppets. Yahiko and Hell shown a little more thinking by dodging. Itachi was alive and with him being a live he would be able to think a litte more then the pains that have died. Could itachi kill human,animal,demon and hungry ghost realms.. yeah i think he could.

I don't know dude can we atleast say we aren't sure how effective the dead bodies are compared to a ninja like Itachi. I mean I have a feeling that when we see Sasuke vs Itachi people when start to understand but still give itachi the the reason of dying. However when you see the pain vs Jariaya or Pain vs Naruto i guarantee people will understand how fucking sick pain really is. I say pain because he is the puppets. And regardless if the puppets kick ass the controller gets the credit we already know this because of previous puppeteers like konkuro and sasori.

No thats not what i meant.. The pains are dead bodies and dont think to well when it comes to thinking and dodging things. They are after all puppets. Yahiko and Hell shown a little more thinking by dodging. Itachi was alive and with him being a live he would be able to think a litte more then the pains that have died. Could itachi kill human,animal,demon and hungry ghost realms.. yeah i think he could.

lol what do u mean they can't think well are u serious...

Demon realm is without a doubt the toughest pain body in terms of being able to take damage itachi would need amaterasu to deal with him alone one shot to itachi the way naruto hit demon realm and its good bye uchiha...

Itachi could kill em but not all together what jiraiya and itachi lack naruto has in terms of not needing to connect to kill a body neither itachi or jiraiya could do this.

all the pain bodies could think and dodge how hungry ghost realm dodged naruto hit but still died LOL besides they don't need dodging their eye sight does it all. the only reason their eye sight didn't help em against naruto is because its worthless even if they block an attack the natural energy will do the killing itself. that's why naruto is do deadly to pain.


Idk how the other bodies are in durability but demon realm was hit bya giant arm from choza and then ram sacked by 5 others including kakashi and was still able to get up..

You dont understand what i mean by thought process. When your dead your a fucking zombie. Your not going to be like you were when your alive. Your thought process isnt going to be the same. Like the pains looking at that rasengen being thrown like idiots. Like they are saying oooooooooooo look at the pretty lights. So pretty. Ohhhhhhhhhhhh ahhhhhhhhhhhh. They didnt think to even try to dodge it or get out of the way. God realm and hell realm are the only two that shown any type of thought whatsoever. Do you honestly think Itachi is so damn stupid he would just stand there and let it hit him. No cause he isnt a freaking idiot. According to you Myth no one can beat Naruto. When Naruto is concerned you think he is unvincable when he is not. Do you honestly think Itachi is stupid enough to let Naruto even try to land a punch on him. Hell no he isnt. Naruto is cool in sage mode true. He is stronger in sage mode true. Am i totally impressed that he can totally pwn all....with what i have seen him do far in sage mode. No im not totally impressed. Till he can show he can do more then throw pretty spiral balls then i will be impressed. Naruto maybe able to beat Sasuke while in Sage mode but not Itachi.

You dont understand what i mean by thought process. When your dead your a fucking zombie. Your not going to be like you were when your alive. Your thought process isnt going to be the same.The only flaw in this statment is the person controlling them is a human being still alive and well so they move to his thought since he is the controller they are the puppets. Like the pains looking at that rasengen being thrown like idiots. Like they are saying oooooooooooo look at the pretty lights. So pretty. Ohhhhhhhhhhhh ahhhhhhhhhhhh. They didnt think to even try to dodge it or get out of the way. God realm and hell realm are the only two that shown any type of thought whatsoever.Yeah i guess hungry ghost realm never ate a jutsu that jiraiya gave him to protect summoning pain oh and i guess none of them ever blocked jiraiya's attack since they can't think by ur logic he should have landed blows yet he didn't oh and i guess this never happened http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/432/05/. Do you honestly think Itachi is so damn stupid he would just stand there and let it hit him. No cause he isnt a freaking idiot.none of them stood there they all dodged it the only one that couldn't was summoning pain because he was obviously to slow but human realm pushed him out of the way but it expanded even ur brilliant itachi would fall to that flying rs unless his sharingan can some how tell the jutsu expands cause i doubt it can. According to you Myth no one can beat Naruto. When Naruto is concerned you think he is unvincable when he is not. Do you honestly think Itachi is stupid enough to let Naruto even try to land a punch on him. Hell no he isnt. Naruto is cool in sage mode true. He is stronger in sage mode true. Am i totally impressed that he can totally pwn all....with what i have seen him do far in sage mode. No im not totally impressed. Till he can show he can do more then throw pretty spiral balls then i will be impressed. Naruto maybe able to beat Sasuke while in Sage mode but not Itachi.Hmm yeah throw pretty spirals which cannot be thrown usually cause of how powerful and condensed the chakra is create ur own jutsu that even the forth couldn't then have that jutsu classified "kinjutsu". have a taijutsu style even more deadlier then the gentle fist do double rasengan which have never been done before due to the way chakra spins either left or right his goes counterclockwise as jiraiya said so gathering powerful chakra in both hands making sure it doesn't disperse, having ur speed power and durability go beyond normal humans.. Do i think itachi would stand and let himself be hit hmm not really. Do i think naruto can outsmart him YES do i think if itachi even dared to fight hand to hand with naruto he would die YES DO I THINK if naruto throws his rasenshruiken ONCE and itachi dodges it will he die yes BECAUSE IT WILL EXPAND... Did i mention that itachi second most powerful jutsu won't work or how if he used tsukuyomi and he had shima there would it be useless. The best part in this is,, itachi's only way to win is to try and do it quick because if he prolongs the fight he will lose. iT'S AS I SAID ITS ANY ONES FIGHT u don't understand that naruto was beefed up to kill pain/nagato pain/nagato>itachi zzzzzzz.

Not saying for fact naruto will kill itachi no i even said if itachi can survive long enough to use susanoo naruto goes bye bye..

I never once said Itachi could kill god realm or nagato. Yes he could kill some of them specially if Jiraiya could kill some and Naruto could kill some i know itachi could kill some of them.

Is your blood bowling yet?

this thread....
Meh.

I will say in an overall look over Itachi's abilities I'm not impressed by his arsenal. I'm impressed by the way he uses them. Even Kakashi has shown to be more versatile in battles.

Who can say if Itachi could dodge the wind rasengan. This is the first time he has used a throwing one and that in itself could surprise itachi. Just like it surprised pain because really we don't know or understand all of the Rinnegan's abilties. Naruto in sage mode I'll say would be more of match or atleast a match for itachi. Naruto without it well then I could give it to itachi.

I will say in an overall look over Itachi's abilities I'm not impressed by his arsenal. I'm impressed by the way he uses them. Even Kakashi has shown to be more versatile in battles.

Who can say if Itachi could dodge the wind rasengan. This is the first time he has used a throwing one and that in itself could surprise itachi. Just like it surprised pain because really we don't know or understand all of the Rinnegan's abilties. Naruto in sage mode I'll say would be more of match or atleast a match for itachi. Naruto without it well then I could give it to itachi.

he can't dodge the flying rasen shuriken god and hell realm escaped it by a hair only because they were a bit further to begin with itachi would be laid out on the spot.


I wonder though what would win Shinare tensei or susanoo, it said shinra tensei repels all attacks susuanoo blocks all physical and ninjutsu attacks but shinra tensei isn't physical its a force..

Of course Naruto in Sage mode would be a match for Itachi. Im not saying he wouldnt be. Im not saying Itachi would automatically pwn naruto. Sage mode Naruto would give itachi a run for his money but i think Naruto actually beating itachi i just dont see it or not right now. Im not saying Naruto isnt strong. I mean yeah he is the only one alive who can even take on any of the Pains. Its not like im sitting here and not giving Naruto any credit at all. Its like you are all thinking im acting like Naruto is a weakling which is far from the truth. I have given Naruto a lot of credit since he has come back from toad mountain. However some of you just act like Itachi was a weakling when he was one of the strongest people in the manga. Not to mention he never fought at a full 100 percent. Even then he was still pretty damn awesome. I mean yeah i am a uchiha fan im not going to lie but me being that isnt why i am saying itachi would pwn naruto. I like sasuke to but even i admit Naruto would beat Sasuke in sage mode.

But the whole Itachi and sage naruto is nothing but a lot of what if's.

Has anyone seen Itachi versus Naruto in Sage Mode?? Nope!! Do we know Itachi's exact speed?? Nope!! Do we know if he couldn't avoid RS?? Nope!!

Everyone is subject to their own opinion on this since Itachi's dead!! In your opinion, Myth, Naruto is better than Itachi!! And yet, we haven't seen the two face off so we'll never know!! Everyone else is allowed their opinion as well!!

This is a discussion, not a dictatorship!!

My ten pence is that Itachi, on full health, would win!! His speed is awesome as are his abilities to create clones of any nature!! Rememer Amatasaru burns everything it touches so it can't be negated as void here!!

Has anyone seen Itachi versus Naruto in Sage Mode?? Nope!! Do we know Itachi's exact speed?? Nope!! Do we know if he couldn't avoid RS?? Nope!!

Everyone is subject to their own opinion on this since Itachi's dead!! In your opinion, Myth, Naruto is better than Itachi!! And yet, we haven't seen the two face off so we'll never know!! Everyone else is allowed their opinion as well!!

This is a discussion, not a dictatorship!!

My ten pence is that Itachi, on full health, would win!! His speed is awesome as are his abilities to create clones of any nature!! Rememer Amatasaru burns everything it touches so it can't be negated as void here!!

It takes a special stupid to actually say he can avoid a flying rs he won't know if it expands lmfaooo he can have mianto speed for crying out loud but that won't help him, sure he side steps the moves 1 sec later he is in pieces.

Btw mystik there is no 100% itachi the only thing it would give him is he won't be sick madara said itachi would have murdered sasuke if he wanted to. he'd fight differently yes and prob be able to use more jutsu cause he wouldn't be sick but that's about it,and it wouldn't benefit him much against naruto anyways. they both fight in a similar way taijutsu and ninjutsu itachi adds genjutsu. they both have 1 hit ko jutsu a few of em and they both utilize kage bushin, difference is naruto's taijutsu skills>itachi's naruto power>itachi's naruto ninjutsu boosted techniques>most of itachi's aside from amaterasu susano and tsukyuomi.. which goes back to the original statement its a matter of if itachi can stay around long enough to use susanoo.

Since naruto will always prob have frogs with him so he can summon his bushinn from somewhere because of that tsukuyomi won't be a factor.

still its a fight worth seeing..

Itachi has NEVER gone all out in a serious fight with an intent to kill. He finished off Kage level opponents with a glare before. We don't know how would he fight if he was actually bloodlusted and attacked with an intent to kill.

I don't know if he would win against Pain (doubt it), but he would have a chance, yes.

And Myth, for the record human realm managed to move animal realm with flying RS coming directly at her. Who is to say that his hand is faster then Itachi when Itachi's speed was pretty damn high?

It's time I stood up for Itachi once again ;D

Man who is to say Itachi is faster than pain bodies? Ok I get it alot of people are fucking pissed I and some one else brought up Itachi. (i even foretold this) But you can't throw this into the other extreme of what ifs. If you don't really know Itachi's speed in battles than you don't know Naruto Sm or Pain for that matter. Also it's safe to say you don't know the speed of his new addition to the rasengan.

If that is how you want to play it then you shouldn't try to add last words. I will say I'm glad that majority has agreed as of right now Naruto > Sasuke which is pretty much the point of this thread. peace little ninjas

Naruto > Sasuke? Possibly. I think Naruto is better, but only Kishi knows.
I also said facts only.
Itachi's speed, while debatable how much, is for a fact immense.

Itachi has NEVER gone all out in a serious fight with an intent to kill. He finished off Kage level opponents with a glare before. We don't know how would he fight if he was actually bloodlusted and attacked with an intent to kill.Lol Shrike u and I both know he never beat any "real" kage level shinobi.. not saying he couldn't but he never did cept oro lol but that guys apthetic he barely beat a 70 year old man with 2 other hokages helping him...

I don't know if he would win against Pain (doubt it), but he would have a chance, yes.not any bigger then jiraiya did i doubt he would even manage a kill for good..

And Myth, for the record human realm managed to move animal realm with flying RS coming directly at her. Who is to say that his hand is faster then Itachi when Itachi's speed was pretty damn high?5 in the data book definitely the highest it could be(excluding guys with time space jutsu)he was fast true there's only one problem. say the flying rs goes to him he side steps it ok.. next thing u know it expands and hits him he'll never get away cause he wouldn't see it coming. Even if he does get away he will without a doubt lose an arm or a leg which spells automatic loss for him.

It's time I stood up for Itachi once again ;DNot bashing him u know I am a fan of itachi as well but the fact is this isa toss up fight i never said itachi will lose 100% its ppl that are saying naruto will lose 100% when reality it could go either way.

Lol Shrike u and I both know he never beat any "real" kage level shinobi.. not saying he couldn't but he never did cept oro lol but that guys apthetic he barely beat a 70 year old man with 2 other hokages helping him...

Well, Oro was playing with Sandaime and enjoying it. If he unleashed Shodai and Nidaime on Konoha now, we all know that no one would be able to stop them. He would do the same thing Pain did.
And not only Oro, Itachi defeated Deidara as well. He was Akatsuki, if nothing.

not any bigger then jiraiya did i doubt he would even manage a kill for good..
5 in the data book definitely the highest it could be(excluding guys with time space jutsu)he was fast true there's only one problem. say the flying rs goes to him he side steps it ok.. next thing u know it expands and hits him he'll never get away cause he wouldn't see it coming. Even if he does get away he will without a doubt lose an arm or a leg which spells automatic loss for him.

We don't know that.
It could happen anyway you can think of.

Not bashing him u know I am a fan of itachi as well but the fact is this isa toss up fight i never said itachi will lose 100% its ppl that are saying naruto will lose 100% when reality it could go either way.

No, Naruto won't loose 100%, nor would Itachi win 100%.
Who said that? People are totally unrealistic.
I just said I think Itachi would probably win against Naruto, but that is a speculation.
It's based on my seeing of things.

Well, Oro was playing with Sandaime and enjoying it. If he unleashed Shodai and Nidaime on Konoha now, we all know that no one would be able to stop them. He would do the same thing Pain did.
And not only Oro, Itachi defeated Deidara as well. He was Akatsuki, if nothing.Deidara would lose against kakashi as well sharingan users are the most match ups for him his whole jutsu is one big weak poit when he fights sharingan users. yes nevertheless orochimaru still needed 2 kages plus himself to do in a sarutobi way past his prime.






No, Naruto won't loose 100%, nor would Itachi win 100%.
Who said that? People are totally unrealistic.
I just said I think Itachi would probably win against Naruto, but that is a speculation.
It's based on my seeing of things.There were a few newbs who said that, i just held up naruto's side because i know as well that its a toss up. as strong as these kids are it would def go ether way.. besides itachi would never fight naruto he likes him more then he likes his own brother not every day u get some free power from someone like itachi.

besides itachi would never fight naruto he likes him more then he likes his own brother not every day u get some free power from someone like itachi.

You have no idea itachi likes nauto more then sasuke.. thats total and utter bullshit. Itachi loved his brother and towards the end of itachi's time in the manga that was obvious.

Also i never said itachi would beat Naruto just like that. Yes i think he would beat naruto but he wouldnt just walk over naruto.

Itachi gave whatever it is he gave to naruto cause he knew naruto was close to sasuke.

besides itachi would never fight naruto he likes him more then he likes his own brother not every day u get some free power from someone like itachi.

Holy shit dude lol. You overshot that one by a few light years.

Naruto > Sasuke? Possibly. I think Naruto is better, but only Kishi knows.
I also said facts only.
Itachi's speed, while debatable how much, is for a fact immense.

true but it's a fact that in sage mode naruto speed is imense. also since pain speed is basically at jariaya's speed which he is pretty much at itachi speed it's a fact. hmm i wonder how much speculation is really going on.....let me shut my mouth before the lynch mob comes out again lol.

You have no idea itachi likes nauto more then sasuke.. thats total and utter bullshit. Itachi loved his brother and towards the end of itachi's time in the manga that was obvious.

Also i never said itachi would beat Naruto just like that. Yes i think he would beat naruto but he wouldnt just walk over naruto.

Itachi gave whatever it is he gave to naruto cause he knew naruto was close to sasuke.

yeah that's exactly why it says "itachi entrusted his hope to naruto":rolleyes: but yes he for sure like sasuke more:rolleyes::rolleyes:.

Unlike sasuke naruto doesn't listen and believe every piece of bullshit he hears especially from people who say "yes i helped murder the clan" it takes a special stupid to follow that person...http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a384/themarbleintheoatmeal/smilies/sign0108.gif

edit:he gave what he gave to naruto because he already knew in advanced his brother is to weak minded to seek out the truth himself he knew madara was going to get a hold of him.

itachi we may never know his true potential and thats all i have to say

naruto and sasuke have the most potential out of all the characters of there generation but they have to surpass the 4th(naruto) and madara(sasuke) in order to defeat itachi, but a naruto vs sasuke fight i see them drawing or naruto winning

itachi we may never know his true potential and thats all i have to say

naruto and sasuke have the most potential out of all the characters of there generation but they have to surpass the 4th(naruto) and madara(sasuke) in order to defeat itachi, but a naruto vs sasuke fight i see them drawing or naruto winning

Ok, the first part you had me. The second part is exactly what I was talking about early with people putting Itachi on some type of pedastal. I mean props to him and his secret mission. But please don't tell me you think Minato and Madara are below Itachi. I mean I can't even believe they are equal. Wow I can't believe I actually have to defend them. It's not like we saw the 4th or madara fight at all.

Ok, the first part you had me. The second part is exactly what I was talking about early with people putting Itachi on some type of pedastal. I mean props to him and his secret mission. But please don't tell me you think Minato and Madara are below Itachi. I mean I can't even believe they are equal. Wow I can't believe I actually have to defend them. It's not like we saw the 4th or madara fight at all.

what i clearly meant was that they have to be stronger in order to beat him thats all i was not down grading the characters

yeah that's exactly why it says "itachi entrusted his hope to naruto":rolleyes: but yes he for sure like sasuke more:rolleyes::rolleyes:.

Unlike sasuke naruto doesn't listen and believe every piece of bullshit he hears especially from people who say "yes i helped murder the clan" it takes a special stupid to follow that person...http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a384/themarbleintheoatmeal/smilies/sign0108.gif

edit:he gave what he gave to naruto because he already knew in advanced his brother is to weak minded to seek out the truth himself he knew madara was going to get a hold of him.

Its nice to you know that you and Itachi had a chat and he told you his feelings. Im jealous i wish i could of talked to him like you obviously did.

what i clearly meant was that they have to be stronger in order to beat him thats all i was not down grading the characters

Well you went about it the wrong way. I know the still have ways to go but I think in certain situations it's a possible that a character could lose. Like for instance Jariaya while posion was considerably weaker and a lot characters that didn't pose a threat of defeating could of won. The same could be said about a power boost in a character. That is all I really meant from the start and people are jumping on me. I mean really this is the first time we've seen sage mode and no one can really tell me that you know the stats.

[QUOTE]I decided to give up on trying to make KYF understand i rather talk about naruto and itachi the real top dogs.QUOTE]
Understand what, you think naruto can do anything so when he starts losing you say is PNJ "this shouldve been over two chapters ago". LOL, what you fail to understand is that naruto would be on devas shoulder already half way back to the rain village if naruto didnt show up 5 seconds after deva could no longer fight.

No you got it wrong

Itachi>Naruto>Sasuke

Naruto may pwn sasuke right now is sage mode but there is no way he can pwn itachi right now. Naruto in his current state is good but not good enough to go against Itachi. You can't say the sharingan dont work on you if your in sage mode. I seriously doubt sage mode stops that. Itachi just has to tire naruto out long enough till he runs out of sage mode then Naruto has to fight Itachi with his eyes closed.
Wait, what? How can you say naruto could pwn sasuke, but not itachi. There is not really any differance between sasuke and itachi now that sasuke has the MS. Well, sasoono. Still, by the time sasuke reaches konaha. He could of already be able to use his third MS jutsu. I mean how hard can it be? Activate two eyes instead of one and poof. An all new MS jutsu.


itachi he's the only ninja that I have seen that could stand in one spot and still kick your ass hes just that strong.

sasuke he is strong but would lose anyday to itachi or the current naruto. Why naruto you ask because what i have seen manga wise naruto is the better battle strategist and with his new abilities in sage mode(super strenght, speed, superior taijutsu, being able to see chakra etc etc) he would become a big problem for sasuke, that mainly uses his "sharingan" to judge his opponents jutsus and strategy's from there, but sasuke will always get stronger in order for naruto to get stronger.


Lose to itachi anyday? Seriously? Before sasuke gained the MS, but now its far too close to say itachi could pwn sasuke.

Also! Naruto a better strategist, lol. I guess narutos eyes are better than sasukes too, right.

Now lets coutinue where we left off myth.

Wait, what? How can you say naruto could pwn sasuke, but not itachi. There is not really any differance between sasuke and itachi now that sasuke has the MS. Well, sasoono. Still, by the time sasuke reaches konaha. He could of already be able to use his third MS jutsu. I mean how hard can it be? Activate two eyes instead of one and poof. An all new MS jutsu.


Im not doubting Sasuke isnt strong however even though i like Sasuke he still in my opinion isnt at Itachi's level. Eventually yeah sasuke can be at his level and get better, but thats in time.

As for Naruto pwning Sasuke i am talking about Naruto in sage mode. Not Naruto without Sage mode. Base Naruto and Sasuke i think it would be a pretty even fight. However i think Naruto in sage mode would give Sasuke a harder time.

[QUOTE]I already told u if they wanted to fight him 3 on 1 they could have easily done this but they knew he was to quick so they instead they went 1 by 1 to make sure deva was gonna be alright. because if they went all together naruto would throw punches miss and kill them then deva would be easy to kill u know what i mean dude.
everything exept naruto being too fast, lol. Yes, if they wanted to they could have, but that would put useless deva in danger. not because naruto was too fast "to which you have no proof for this statement because HG proved he can keep up with naruto after he intercepted him during the fight". Clearly becuase deva is the most important realm and they were buying time for deva to regain his power.

Jiraiya needed to split them up because he couldn't win otherwise his attacks were not working and since he doesn't have, a fully mastered sage mode he can't just miss and kill them like naruto can u get it now. that's the simplest way i can tell u it.
What are you talking about? Jman proved his weaker SM could win when he took down three realms at once. Jman doesnt need frog katas. He has more precise skills to aplly what limited power he has. Also, naruto had them split them up too. The only differance is that Jman did it with skill and naruto lucked out by showing up 5 seconds after deva became useless for a short period of time.

U must have really not "studied" it enough because they weren't hiding lol jiraiya got to summoner to slow the the same second he hit him in the throat a second before that animal realm summoned the other 3. Look closely at the panel urself check it out u'll see 3 puffs of smoke behind jiraiya right after he hit animal realm.I think you missed the point. They were summond before animal, human and HG were put into genjutsu. yet they didnt attack till Jman had already killed the other three and dropped his guard. So whys that. Uuum, becuase they were hiding until Jman dropped his gaurd so they could surprise him which is exactly what happened.


Jiraiya had 2 toads on hi shoulders fighting beside him thus he had the luxury of field advantage he hid and casted a genjutsu. Katsuya as i pointed out before told him about fat realm and deva pain. demon realm he killed on the spot with his speed,human realm was killed before he can do anything, animal realm was obvious for him and he figured out hell realm alone. U also have to understand that when demon realm was charging at tsunade naruto was far away from her he got there in a second even with demon realm in tsunades face, the other pains were looking at naruto if they had been able to keep up demon realm would see the attack cause of their shared vision and just move to the side..What? You have no proof naruto jumped from the frog to demon in a second. All it showed was a panel of narutos face. Not a super speedy attack. Also, as ive said a millon times now. None of the realms were looking at naruto before he attacked tsunade. Face it! NAruto caught pain off gaurd attacking tsunade and payed for it. Just as he caught hell realm off guard by attacking from the sky. How, simply put. Unless the pains are spred out looking on the same taget. There eyes are as normal as narutos.



that's not strategy he finally activated a full 3 tome sharingan thus he was able to keep up with naruto there is no strategy in their. and once naruto went tailed form his sharingan went through the window.......
Are you serious? I provided a link and still you cant comprehend. Sighs:confused:.

Here ill say it again. Read it again and try to understand. Sasuke couldnt compete with narutos speed so he sat back and used his SG to counter. How? He used the power of his SG to anticipate narutos attack, skillfuly time his own attack and counter. And as you saw. Sasuke KOed naruto with that strategy and forced the kyuubi to take naruto over as much as possible. Yet still. Sasukes choice not to use his CS along with his fighting tactics wore naruto down. SO much so that narutos used too much kyuubi power which made his left hand numb. The rest is history.


about 3 he was able to transform into a flying shuriken then hide another one in its shadow thus free kakashi and have zabuza's control gone. FYI just to make u look a bit more foolish lol SASUKE USED NARUTO'S strategy AGAINST ITACHI lol.
Almost got it. It was four moves ahead, but it was thanks to sasuke it got that far, ill explain. 1. Naruto attacks the zabuza clone causing a distraction.2 During the distraction naruto hendges into a windmill shurikan and has a KB throw him to sasuke. 3 sasuke throws the shurikan exept knowing that zabuza would probably just catch the attack. Sasuke immediately made a brillant tactical disicion to use his Shadow shurikan jutsu. However, if sasuke didnt use his shadow shurikan jutsu then zabuza wouldve just caught him "probably killed him too". 4 naruto unhendges and attacks zabuza.

Yeah, I look like a fool. Sasuke used narutos, NO. Wait a minute! Shadow shurikan is sasukes jutsu. Sure made a fool out of me.

U either can't read or ur playing stupid for fun, because this is what sasuke said. "he is fast but he moves in a straight line i can see his movements" he couldn't follow killer bee when killer bee did his sword dance which is why he got nearly killed. Because unlike kyuubi's chakra hachibi's chakra didn't move on its own which is why sasuke could follow it.
lmao! Sasuke didnt say such a thing. I reread the whole fight to check, lol. Unless onemangas missing some translation then "sasuke couldnt follow" is just wishful thinking.


There's really nothing else u i or anyone can add everything u have said so far has been coutnered and u just keep repeating urself in a different manner.
LOL! You must understand countering as much as you understand skills and strategy if you think you countered something. lol, next!

[QUOTE]Sasuke's skill isn't greater then naruto's idk were u are getting this from so far this fight naruto has shown way more skill then sasuke did in his last fight so yeah please just stfu. his skills are not on another level hell i remember this being said "if naruto truely mastered sage art then he is on another level now" opps said by one of the smartest people in konoha ON ANOTHER LEVEL NOW, he is so strong anyone who would interfere would just get in his way... that's not the same with sasuke he needed intereference to stay alive against killer bee.
LMAO! Shikaku didnt mean narutos skills. He meant his abilities Strength, speed, power, indurance. Narutos abilities effectiveness increase because of the benifits of SM. Not because his skills have improved so greatly, lol. The only skill naruto gained was to increase his power, SM. He didnt learn to use his element more effectively. Hes still not coordinated enough to make a RS with only one KB instead of two which means his chakra control isnt that much better. Hell, it takes SM just to balance the creation a one handed rasengan while attackig, "that crap you gave me doesnt count because he was already in a genjutsu and hasnt done it since, until now while in SM" I rest my case.


There's no skill in blocking an attack with a kunai u idiot naruto has done this before u need basic skills to just put up a kunai and block the sword what's o hard about this. Are u really that stupid that u believe naruto cannot lift his hand with a kunai and put it out in front of sasuke's sword please tell us all and stop embarrassing urself already i feel so bad fro u really.
LMAO! Youve out done yourself Myth. Theres no skill in blocking a 3 foot sword with a six in kunai, lol. Ahhhhh, LMFAO!!! A sword vs a kunai is a huge disadvantage and requires great skill with a kunai to compete with a sword. LOL! I bet you think its harder to block a sword with a bigger sword, lol.

LMAO! Everything about what you just said proves your clueless. Heres what you said. All naruto has to do is anticipate where sasuke is going to attack and the intercept his longer weapon moving at super speed. LOL, is that about right? Now, as you know. Naruto doesnt have the expirienc or skill to anticipate a sword. Niether has naruto even shown the hand speed to keep up. No matter how fast you think naruto is. You have no proof other than naruto sneak attacking demon and hell from above that doesnt require speed to do.





Jiriaya wouldn't have won either way he said so himself that taking on pain in his base form is to much and he couldn't fight all 3 without splitting them up. jiraiya was amazing but naruto is easily doing what jiraiya couldn't. U don't know how the fight would have went god pain fought in their fight. god pain didn't. The fact is 3 pain's gave jiraiya to much trouble because he needed to land a hit on them to take em out naruto wouldn't need to do that u already know why urself. What secret pain's secret isn't his bodies nim rod it's that there is another real 1 somewhere else plus some other stuff jiraiya found out right before he died. however jiraiya couldn' t leve much because pain would then kill the frog right away and figure out what jiraiya wrote so its said"he did this message on the fly". Naruto doesn't know any secret he just knows some of the bodies abilities news flash "that isn't pain's secret". and he is still doing way better then jiraiya he took out 5 bodies and would have won if not for plot.
Whoa, seriously? Youe the one thats been running around for so long saying pain aint crap and Jman couldve beat him because pain admitted it. Congrates, youve contrdicted yourself....

Your right, deva didnt fight in Jmna battle. However, deva didnt fight in narutos either, but being in the middle of a field. Deva cant hide causing the other realms to have to protect him instead of teaming up which is what thier best at. Well, deva didnt fight until all but one realm was dead. LOL! Even then naruto couldnt handle deva. Even with info on him.

How can you bitch about the plot? Saying deva should be dead, lol. Just the same. Plot made naruto show up the moment deva was useless making the realms defensive and eay pickens for naruto. Lol, dont complain about plt when its the only reason naruto isnt half way back to the rain village on devas back.

Unfortunatley that's ur assumption not fact buddy. If they wanted to i already showed u how they could have fought easily against naruto and by urwords gaven him a harder time. but the thing is because naruto mastered frog katas he wouldn't need to fight them just throw a punch of let the natural energy do the rest. so yeah even if they fought him like i told u they could have then they would still lose. sasuke isn't faster then naruto that's only in ur imagination jiraiya>sasuke in speed buddy narutosm>jiraiyahm> nuff said drop it..
You seem to think naruto could beat the realms by spamming frog katas. However, we just learned the same jutsus dont work twice on pain, "frog genjutsu didnt work because pain knew about it just like narutos ability to hit without contact".

LMAO, seriously? While I have shown many examples of sasukes speed. All you did was assume naruto was moving fast because pain couldnt see. Exept, pain wasnt even looking and was sneak attacked=fact!!! Sasukes faster with proof so get over it already, lol.

No it wasn't as i said jiraiya needed to split them up to casta genjutsu on them why because taijutsu wasn't working due to them being able to catch his speed. so he went into the pipes to formulate another plan. naruto in his situation wouldn't need the pipes he would as i said just need to throw a punch or kick and pain would be dead even if naruto missed u understand. Because naruto mastered sage mode he has luxuries jiraiya didn't. plus jiraiya had a way of fighting them one on one by splitting them up and yet even by connecting his punches he still couldn't kill animal realm.. that just shows u the power naruto has.
1. Your so proud that naruto KOed the one pain that was weak against physical attacks. So, until naruto hits someone thats strong against physical attacks and KOs them "like human who fights close quarters".

this is my problem with u u don't provide any proof to anything u just assume a lot like here, just because he resisted tsukuyomi doesn't mean his mks genjutsu is better lol it doesn't work this way.
Resisted, lol. Sasuke broke out. SO, seeing as how sasuke regular SG is so powerful. Its very reasonable that his MS genjutsu is more powerful. Just as his SG was already as powerful as itachis MS. Do you see what Im saying? Yes, its speculation, but. Its educated speculation.

p.s. naruto didn't have all the intel on pain this can be proven by katsuya.

animla realm he saw he was the summoner so he knew that
human realm he never saw his abilties he just killed him
demon realm the seam thing as human realm
katsuya told him about fat boy
and about god pain
and he figured out about hell realm himself by seeing the way he was standing so yeah 2 out of 6 isn't really "info" unles U CAN PLEASE PROVIDE US MANGA PROOF SAYING OTHERWISE. But u never do so its not expected because ur posts have no credibility since u can never back up ur claims with any real manga proof or pages only with assumptions.
Your right, lol. Naruto didnt know they only used one ability. Naruto didnt know they shared vision. NAruto didnt know fighting them one on one was the best way to fight them.

NAruto was given the info that Jnam, kakashi and other shinobi worked hard for. So, to sit there and act like naruto earned any info exept hell realm that performed his ability in plain sight of everone is absurd.

Good day Sir!

Wait, what? How can you say naruto could pwn sasuke, but not itachi. There is not really any differance between sasuke and itachi now that sasuke has the MS. Well, sasoono. Still, by the time sasuke reaches konaha. He could of already be able to use his third MS jutsu. I mean how hard can it be? Activate two eyes instead of one and poof. An all new MS jutsu.

Lose to itachi anyday? Seriously? Before sasuke gained the MS, but now its far too close to say itachi could pwn sasuke.

Also! Naruto a better strategist, lol. I guess narutos eyes are better than sasukes too, right.

Many people think of Itachi as nothing but MS, but that is utter bullshit.
The guy is highly intelligent, very good strategist, has every field of skill almost perfected.

He mostly used MS against Sasuke because he wanted to see his growth, and make him go all out. If he didn't use MS, Sasuke would feel underestimated. This way, Sasuke went all out, and broke out Oro in the end because he had no chakra, and that was what Itachi was waiting from the whole time.

Skill wise, Itachi is the only character in this manga who ever got to put a kunai and a shuriken to use. His hand seal speed was invisible to even Kakashi's Sharingan. Exploding KB's, suiton jutus, and who knows what else he had up his sleeve. He must have copied dozens of justu while in Akatsuki.

Do not underestimate Itachi just because he used MS against Sasuke.
Itachi's skill > both Naruto and Sasuke.

With frogs, Naruto has a shot at beating him.

@ Konnoha_yellow_flash and Myth

I read both your arguments..Konnoha I completely agree with what you are saying. nice posts. Myth..oh dear. Specially at the part of your post where you mention there being no skill to defending yourself against a sword using a kunai.
But don't really want to get into that argument...anyway..

Konnoha_yellow_flash

Also! Naruto a better strategist, lol. I guess narutos eyes are better than sasukes too, right.


Agreed. People seem to forget sasuke's potential and current strength/abilities in the midst of the "naruto having his moment at last" chapters. Sasuke is alot smarter than naruto, and yes we HAVE seen sasuke come up with good strategies to win, unlike naruto, who simply uses his Kage bunshin..which is pretty much straight forward (though it is useful)

However I dont think sasuke has caught up to Itachi yet. During his fight we know Itachi was holding back, not to mention the fact that he was dying from a disease whilst fighting.
We need to see more of sasuke growing in strength, we've seen alot of naruto recently and all he ever does is train and learn new techniques. Sasuke gets almost no training time in comparison.

Of course Itachi has more than his MS!! Darn it, the guy didn't activate it until he killed his best friend and that was close to when he betrayed his clan!! The guy was an ANBU captain at thirteen before activating his MS so clearly he's gotta have cool jutsu that we've never been shown before!!

And sasuke may have the MS now, but uh, didn't it activate after Itachi's death?? So if we're assuming a living Itachi went and battled Sasuke then its safe to say he wins it since Sasuke will not, by default, have the MS, unless he kills Naruto which...hmmm would then leave blondie out of this equation...so that would be confusing!! Still Itachi has way more experience with his MS!!

When you consider that Itachi and Madara Uchiha took out the strongest clan in Konoha in a single night, you gotta know they're both strong!! And if Itachi was not afraid of Madara, who knew Itachi didn't like him, and he poessesses the EMS then you know, again, there was more to Itachi than we know!!

Yes Naruto might have won against Itachi, but equally, Itachi might have beaten Naruto!! We'll never know for sure!! It's just our opinion that Itachi would win, same way its your opinion that Naruto would win!!

Wow when will it end? Look either you decide to accept things in the manga as facts or not. You can't take a little and just because something support your debater decide it isn't.

What do I mean? Well people are talking about Itachi once again and how he doesn't get enough credit for his position. If you say that then I can do the same with Naruto or someone else saying they haven't shown you yet. I strictly am talking about what is used in the overall battles. Kakashi is suppose to have 1,000 jutsus or something, right?

Also the frogs are apart of Naruto's arsenal. And jumping pain? Pain saw Naruto before tsunade even got her butt in there. http://www.narutocentral.com/manga.php?s=naruto&c=430&p=9 and http://www.narutocentral.com/manga.php?s=naruto&c=430&p=13. So did pain just set himself up? I mean you really don't think he is that stupid right? Oh wait he was weaken but still with that knowledge he wouldn't try to do this without some kind of plan.

Itachi > Sasuke and Naruto (normal)

(sage mode)Naruto = (meaning it could go either way) Itachi > sasuke

and just for the record as of right now Naruto > Sasuke. and please remember how sasuke is getting fucked up when he uses eye techs. not sure if you want to call that less control on them or their side effect. If naruto is in sage mode sasuke will probably not be able to beat him unless he hits him with one of the ms techs.

And let's remember how Sasuke got his butt handed to him by a mere tail-clone-thing of the seven tails!! If Karin hadn't have been there...who knows...

And let's remember how Sasuke got his butt handed to him by a mere tail-clone-thing of the seven tails!! If Karin hadn't have been there...who knows...

Was that a sarcastic joke because if so you need to work on it. It was the eight tails and not a clone. He basically escaped when Sasuke took off one of the tails. He hid inside the tail. Anyway with Killer Bee whether you like it or not He had that fight. Beast or no beast that dude is dangerous and is still around.

Yes kyf as u can see just about everyone says naruto>sasuke and trust me people like shrike don't fanboy either nor is he biased to any side its just how it is.. n u proved how more of an idiot u are with ur 2 posts LOL

Sasuke isn't anywhere near itachi's level u can cry till the cows come home ur opinion wills till not matter since it was proven who is stronger in the manga and in the data book.



I agree with shrike 100% sasuke's skill is no where near his, sasuke activated his full sharingan at the age of 13 itachi did it at 8 years old he stopped sasuke's chidori with his hand without moving anywhere he used suiton jutsu and fire jutsu god knows what else he copied if he was evena ble to copy deidaras exploding kage bushin, his speed is is amazing he uses his jutsu sof ast its impossible to catch his hand speed sign not even a shrinagan can read and sasuke said once to deidara "if u are using seals the sharingan could see it unless u hide them" but itachi did no such thing he used them and kakashi who the the 3 tome sharingan wayyyyyyyyyyyyy before sasuek activated his was unable to see it and sharingan can see all seals..

Itachi and sasuke have a big difference trust me the only reason it seemed close is as madara said"itachi planned this fight and he was throwing it no matter what" he used his 3 mks techniques for 2 reasons.

1 - he was sick so his chakra and stmina were low already he couldn't afford to use more then that

2 - its what he needed to have orochimaru come out from sasuke so he can rid his brother of his powers and cs

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Wait, what? How can you say naruto could pwn sasuke, but not itachi. There is not really any differance between sasuke and itachi now that sasuke has the MS. Well, sasoono. Still, by the time sasuke reaches konaha. He could of already be able to use his third MS jutsu. I mean how hard can it be? Activate two eyes instead of one and poof. An all new MS jutsu.



i think that the third jutsu of sasuke' MS is the ability of estinguishing ameterasu http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/415/07/ he used both of his eyes to do it so sasuke will not be able to use susanoo

he wouldn't be able to use susanoo either way cause as amdara told zetsu the only thing itachi left him was amaterasu.

edit:oh yeah i forgot sasuek stopping amaterasu isn't anything special itachi did it as well its only fit that if he gave em amaterasu he also automatically has the ability to stop it.

The eternal struggle between the Uchiha fanboys legion and the rest of the Narutoverse lol.

Before KB was introduced i thought the Sharingan meant auto-win since kishi just kept pilling new powers into the damn thing almost every chap. However after KB's arrival in the series i say who cares ? lol. KB was definite proof that speed and strenght can overwhelm sharingan any day of the week.

Wanna talk about a good fight ?? Kb vs itachi would have been an awesome fight.
Both Itachi and Kb are fast and have deep bags of tricks.

Naruto fanboys are just as bad as uchiha fanboys. According to Naruto fanboys naruto is the ultimate ninja and cant be beat period. Its always Uchiha or sasuke fanboys who get insuted by everyone. Sasuke fanboys are the same way. Its annoying how sasuke fans get ragged on all the time.

Naruto fanboys are just as bad as uchiha fanboys. According to Naruto fanboys naruto is the ultimate ninja and cant be beat period. Its always Uchiha or sasuke fanboys who get insuted by everyone. Sasuke fanboys are the same way. Its annoying how sasuke fans get ragged on all the time.


Well people take it too far on both sides. However i think because of the Uchiha demeanor their fans fly off the handle.

Seriously i saw a thread in another site with the title: " Itachi is God ". See shit like this pretty much function as flame magnets.

I shape my discussions based on manga evidence. Thats why i try to avoid VS debates unless im debating some one mature and not completely bias, otherwise it turns into a who can fanboy the loudest contest.

Naruto fanboys are just as bad as uchiha fanboys. According to Naruto fanboys naruto is the ultimate ninja and cant be beat period. Its always Uchiha or sasuke fanboys who get insuted by everyone. Sasuke fanboys are the same way. Its annoying how sasuke fans get ragged on all the time.

that's because unlike naruto who trains to attain power and WE SEE IT sasuke is not shown for 20 chapters then is shown with some powerful new hax then not shown for another 40 chapters then somehow comes back with itachi's eyes etc etc.

sasuek gets free power left and right he works for nothing at all the last time he worked for power was with kakashi....

mks- free
orochiamru cs - free
orochiamru hax - somehow he eats orochimaru even though it wasn't suppose to be that way.... he was suppose to beat oro at his own game and finish him thats all yet somehow oro was "magically stuck" in sasukes mind thus giving him all his powers..
now madara is offering him a free PMS

Oh also nobody said naruto is invincible his powers are just that great that he match up with a serious itachi or a serious jiraiya and have a very good chance at beating them, just because he was beefed up to kill pain pain >itachi pain>jiraiya even in hm.

also its the climax of the manga naruto will eventually be unbeatable when he surpasses his pops..it was mentioned in the start of the manga by kabuto "If naruto ever truly masters his chakra he will be invincible" we all know nothing is said in this manga by whim and anything said usually happens...

Well people take it too far on both sides. However i think because of the Uchiha demeanor their fans fly off the handle.

Seriously i saw a thread in another site with the title: " Itachi is God ". See shit like this pretty much function as flame magnets.

I shape my discussions based on manga evidence. Thats why i try to avoid VS debates unless im debating some one mature and not completely bias, otherwise it turns into a who can fanboy the loudest contest.

I totally agree with you there. >.<

@ Myth true i wont deny Sasuke's power ups but remember Naruto got some free power himself from itachi whatever that maybe. True he hasnt gotten as much as sasuke but still he got some. Sure it was unwillingly from deep throating a crow but still it was free power.

I totally agree with you there. >.<

@ Myth true i wont deny Sasuke's power ups but remember Naruto got some free power himself from itachi whatever that maybe. True he hasnt gotten as much as sasuke but still he got some. Sure it was unwillingly from deep throating a crow but still it was free power.

Free power? Oh you mean that power he uses all the time right? The one he uses to one-up his opponents? Some power. It obviously has a specific purpose so I'd rather believe its not really a power at all but rather a protection. Otherwise he would have used it against Pain by now.

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I've not commented on this thread for the same reason Dagoro stated. Fanboi's get a little to testy here. The outcome would always be however Kishi wants to spin the story. Everything at this point would just be speculation anyways and you can argue good points for all sides.

I totally agree with you there. >.<

@ Myth true i wont deny Sasuke's power ups but remember Naruto got some free power himself from itachi whatever that maybe. True he hasnt gotten as much as sasuke but still he got some. Sure it was unwillingly from deep throating a crow but still it was free power.

nah thats not free power lol that's there only for use against most likely sasuke or madara w/e it is it will show itself when the right time comes maybe by madara..

Itachi knew his brother was done for so he left naruto something as it said in the data books "his hopes" i hope when this is all said and done that everyone in konoha realize that itachi was a hero not a criminal he deserves just as much as praise that the 4 hokage and jiraiya were given nothing less, itachi was a true shinobi who stayed loyal to his village and its people... he deserves to have people see him as a hero..

Free power? Oh you mean that power he uses all the time right? The one he uses to one-up his opponents? Some power. It obviously has a specific purpose so I'd rather believe its not really a power at all but rather a protection. Otherwise he would have used it against Pain by now.

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I've not commented on this thread for the same reason Dagoro stated. Fanboi's get a little to testy here. The outcome would always be however Kishi wants to spin the story. Everything at this point would just be speculation anyways and you can argue good points for all sides.

Who says Naruto even knows what that power is. Maybe it wont come out till the time is right. Kinda like Amaretsu with Sasuke or did sasuke mean to use it. Not sure. (meaning when he used it on madara)

Yeah fanboys here can be deadly lol , but to be honest they arent as bad here as they are on other forums. Here they are actually pretty tame.

itachi NEVER fought serious, not even once he was always holding back coz he still loved the village so he didnt hurt all the konoha ppl he encountered

itachi NEVER fought serious, not even once he was always holding back coz he still loved the village so he didnt hurt all the konoha ppl he encountered

doesn't mean he wouldn't get his ass kicked when he tried to fight someone very powerful lol. (note sasuke isn't whom im talking about)

Many people think of Itachi as nothing but MS, but that is utter bullshit.
The guy is highly intelligent, very good strategist, has every field of skill almost perfected.

He mostly used MS against Sasuke because he wanted to see his growth, and make him go all out. If he didn't use MS, Sasuke would feel underestimated. This way, Sasuke went all out, and broke out Oro in the end because he had no chakra, and that was what Itachi was waiting from the whole time.

Skill wise, Itachi is the only character in this manga who ever got to put a kunai and a shuriken to use. His hand seal speed was invisible to even Kakashi's Sharingan. Exploding KB's, suiton jutus, and who knows what else he had up his sleeve. He must have copied dozens of justu while in Akatsuki.

Do not underestimate Itachi just because he used MS against Sasuke.
Itachi's skill > both Naruto and Sasuke.

With frogs, Naruto has a shot at beating him.
I agree itachi is far more than a MS or even a SG. Hes has versitile skills,. Hes a great tactician and startegist as well. But sasuke is also all these things. Well, sasukes strategising isnt on itachis level. Still, both are very skilled with two elements. Each have great taijutsu and each posess amazing speed with about the same level of stamina.

Well, itachi is more skilled at coordinating his jutsu for a more effective result. i guess thats tactics though.

I think the thing we need to consider is that itachi was sick the whole time. Including his fight against kakashi I believe. So, going by Myths logic. Since itachi stats were the same as Jmans. Even being sick and all. I think its fair to say itachi healthy could pwn anybody in the narutoverse. Of course though, I dont really believe in stats, but this has got to upset Myth, lol.

ALso, Myth. Kishi knew Jman had HM so you cant say it wasnt added to his stats. The same way you could say kishi knew itachi was sick and yet he still thought itachi was that strong.



[QUOTE]Yes kyf as u can see just about everyone says naruto>sasuke and trust me people like shrike don't fanboy either nor is he biased to any side its just how it is.. n u proved how more of an idiot u are with ur 2 posts LOL
LMAO! You got alot of nerve taking Shrikes post and reinterpriting it to match your oppinion, as you always do. SHrike said and I quote:"Itachi>sasuke and narutos skills. ALso, with frogs narutos has a chance". what I think he meant was that, with frogs, naruto has a chance to win "dont know wether he was talking about itachi or sasuke". Not, naruto will win and I agree with Myth. LOL, the funny thing is. A person can clean their glasses. However, they cant clean theyre frontal lobe, lol. Myth, go to the doc and see if this is possible.

Sasuke isn't anywhere near itachi's level u can cry till the cows come home ur opinion wills till not matter since it was proven who is stronger in the manga and in the data book.Its true itachi could of killed saske in thier fight. Still, now that sasuke has a MS its not that simple. Exspecialy when sasuke masters his.

I agree with shrike 100% sasuke's skill is no where near his, sasuke activated his full sharingan at the age of 13 itachi did it at 8 years old he stopped sasuke's chidori with his hand without moving anywhere he used suiton jutsu and fire jutsu god knows what else he copied if he was evena ble to copy deidaras exploding kage bushin, his speed is is amazing he uses his jutsu sof ast its impossible to catch his hand speed sign not even a shrinagan can read and sasuke said once to deidara "if u are using seals the sharingan could see it unless u hide them" but itachi did no such thing he used them and kakashi who the the 3 tome sharingan wayyyyyyyyyyyyy before sasuek activated his was unable to see it and sharingan can see all seals..
I agree! Itachi has fast hands. STill, that doesnt equate to body flicker speed "even though itachi was fast as hell, lol". Itachis BF could still be tracked.

Itachi and sasuke have a big difference trust me the only reason it seemed close is as madara said"itachi planned this fight and he was throwing it no matter what" he used his 3 mks techniques for 2 reasons.

1 - he was sick so his chakra and stmina were low already he couldn't afford to use more then that

2 - its what he needed to have orochimaru come out from sasuke so he can rid his brother of his powers and cs
I agree. However, I think your not giving sasuke enough credit. Itachi had to come at sasuke hard enough to try and wear him down and win. Without killing him though. "Does that sound fimilar?". And even without a MS, Sasuke made itachi give everything he had to wear down sasuke, while also staying alive to seal Oro.

I agree itachi is far more than a MS or even a SG. Hes has versitile skills,. Hes a great tactician and startegist as well. But sasuke is also all these things. Well, sasukes strategising isnt on itachis level. Still, both are very skilled with two elements. Each have great taijutsu and each posess amazing speed with about the same level of stamina.

Well, itachi is more skilled at coordinating his jutsu for a more effective result. i guess thats tactics though.

I think the thing we need to consider is that itachi was sick the whole time. Including his fight against kakashi I believe. So, going by Myths logic. Since itachi stats were the same as Jmans. Even being sick and all. I think its fair to say itachi healthy could pwn anybody in the narutoverse. Of course though, I dont really believe in stats, but this has got to upset Myth, lol.

ALso, Myth. Kishi knew Jman had HM so you cant say it wasnt added to his stats. The same way you could say kishi knew itachi was sick and yet he still thought itachi was that strong.




shrike agrees with me that naruto in sage mode has a very good chance at killing itachi if he was serious...

itachi didn't have to come hard at sasuke i dun think u understand WHAT ITACHI GAVE WAS ALL HE HAD AT THE MOMENT this was commented by zestu itachi couldn't give any more then he had.

oh also hm wasn't added to jirayas list if it was his power would have to be a perfect score cause jiriya hm power>tsunade power which is a 5...

as for speed itachi was the fastest person in this Manga excluding minato and madra the only ppl that could rival him in speed were gai and lee but thats because those 2 trained that way.


p.s. i was wrong before sasukes speed is equal to jiraiya base speed 4.5 see unlike some ppl i will acknowledge fact... good day...

ps.s the only thing that was low on itachis list was his stamina which could be cause of his sickness or it might not cause it was never touched on...

ps.s itachi still<jirasiya hm pain madra shodaime sarutobi PRIME and of course the strongest ninja to be named in the manga minato.... good day

No shrike said Naruto has a shot at beating him.. he didnt say Naruto has a very good chance. Thats means its possible, but by you saying he said its a very good chance means more and likely he can and shrike didnt say that.

No shrike said Naruto has a shot at beating him.. he didnt say Naruto has a very good chance. Thats means its possible, but by you saying he said its a very good chance means more and likely he can and shrike didnt say that.

same shit ok unlike u he didn't say OH NEVER IN THE WORLD CAN HE DO IT OMFGGGG.. no he said it could go either way just because naruto is this powerful now has a shoot means a chance i added very good because its true he does have a very good chance just like itachi has a very good chance..

Naruto SM AND itachi would be a good fight and trust me if itachi would try throwing this one he would wind up dead QUick this isn't like sasuke vs itachi..

So, this thread is about who's the strongest among Itachi, Sasuke, and Naruto?

So, this thread is about who's the strongest among Itachi, Sasuke, and Naruto?

yes who can ram sack who majority of the thread hell the enitre thread agress on one thing both naruto and itachi can wipe their ass with sasuke, the thing is whom can beat whom itachi or naruto sage mode.

So, this thread is about who's the strongest among Itachi, Sasuke, and Naruto?

Yeah we are debating who would win out of itachi and SM naruto and some are debating who would win out of sasuke and SM naruto. Basically people are debating who is the strongest.

Yeah we are debating who would win out of itachi and SM naruto and some are debating who would win out of sasuke and SM naruto. Basically people are debating who is the strongest.

Trust me mystik nobodies is debating who win sasuek or current naruto NOT EVEN LMAOO.

that's because unlike naruto who trains to attain power and WE SEE IT sasuke is not shown for 20 chapters then is shown with some powerful new hax then not shown for another 40 chapters then somehow comes back with itachi's eyes etc etc.

sasuek gets free power left and right he works for nothing at all the last time he worked for power was with kakashi....

mks- free
orochiamru cs - free
orochiamru hax - somehow he eats orochimaru even though it wasn't suppose to be that way.... he was suppose to beat oro at his own game and finish him thats all yet somehow oro was "magically stuck" in sasukes mind thus giving him all his powers..
now madara is offering him a free PMS

Oh also nobody said naruto is invincible his powers are just that great that he match up with a serious itachi or a serious jiraiya and have a very good chance at beating them, just because he was beefed up to kill pain pain >itachi pain>jiraiya even in hm.

also its the climax of the manga naruto will eventually be unbeatable when he surpasses his pops..it was mentioned in the start of the manga by kabuto "If naruto ever truly masters his chakra he will be invincible" we all know nothing is said in this manga by whim and anything said usually happens...

I had to discuss this because now that naruto can use his KBs so well. He doesnt have to work hard to gain poo!

Lets look at this. Sasuke was given amaterasu "sasuke wouldve unlocked the MS one way or another". Thats the only power he didnt work for. Oros powers? Sasuke mastered the CS with hard work and defeated Oro gaining his powers as a plus. And whats this about PMS? Madara hasnt offered sasuke that.

Now lets look at naruto. Itachi gave him so power which IMO is nothing more than itachis contiousness that hold the truth we have yet to find out that will help save sasuke. Now, we have the RS which naruto only had to train a week or two for becuase he had kakashi and yamatos help. Not including the benifit of his KBs. That brings us to SM. Naruto gained that in a couple weeks as well thanks to private instruction from fukasaku and narutos KBs benifit.

Your right Myth. Sasuke had to train for two and a half years to gain the skills he has. On the other hand. Naruto showed decent progress after two and a half years. However, hes managed to improve more in a month in a half than than he did training since he became a genin , lol. So dont sit there and say sasuke got power hand outs when naruto no longer has to work hard ever again.

Trust me mystik nobodies is debating who win sasuek or current naruto NOT EVEN LMAOO.

Yeah you are.. you say naruto and KYF says sasuke. So yeah you guys are debating it. http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb161/Steph121498/prrr.gif

yes who can ram sack who majority of the thread hell the enitre thread agress on one thing both naruto and itachi can wipe their ass with sasuke, the thing is whom can beat whom itachi or naruto sage mode.Oh.

Um, Dying Itachi beat Orosuke, the strongest form of Sasuke we've seen. Orosuke > MSasuke. Dying Itachi, by all rights, should be >>>>>> MSasuke. SM Naruto >>>> MSasuke.

Yeah, this fight definitely comes down to Itachi and Naruto. Sasuke is a non-factor. Will Naruto already be in SM, have the two elder sages out also?

Yeah we are debating who would win out of itachi and SM naruto and some are debating who would win out of sasuke and SM naruto. Basically people are debating who is the strongest.SM Naruto > Sasuke. Dying Itachi > Sasuke. Since Dying Itachi = Jiraiya, and SM Naruto's been stated to surpass Jiraiya, it's a safe bet the advantage would go to Naruto.

SM Naruto > Sasuke. Dying Itachi > Sasuke. Since Dying Itachi = Jiraiya, and SM Naruto's been stated to surpass Jiraiya, it's a safe bet the advantage would go to Naruto.

Yeah but naruto would have to do it while in sage mode.. if his sage mode goes away then i dont see him beating itachi. I mean its obvious naruto can't stay that long.. so in my opinion it would have to be a quick kill.

Oh.

Um, Dying Itachi beat Orosuke, the strongest form of Sasuke we've seen. Orosuke > MSasuke. Dying Itachi, by all rights, should be >>>>>> MSasuke. SM Naruto >>>> MSasuke.

Yeah, this fight definitely comes down to Itachi and Naruto. Sasuke is a non-factor. Will Naruto already be in SM, have the two elder sages out also?

SM Naruto > Sasuke. Dying Itachi > Sasuke. Since Dying Itachi = Jiraiya, and SM Naruto's been stated to surpass Jiraiya, it's a safe bet the advantage would go to Naruto.

Dying itachi equals base jiraiya im pretty sure undying itachi would be close to hermit mode jiraiya so say undying itachi vs sage naruto..

He'll def be in sage mode even if he isn't he can gather sage chakra easily and instantly like he has shown its the problem mainting it.. and since he needs clones yes a frog will def be there don't matter which since either any of em can reverse summon naruto...

Itachi healthy Vs naruto sage mode with a frog there.

IMO it goes ether way its who can kill whom first or whom can get his powerful attack off first.

Your right Myth. Sasuke had to train for two and a half years to gain the skills he has. On the other hand. Naruto showed decent progress after two and a half years. However, hes managed to improve more in a month in a half than than he did training since he became a genin , lol. So dont sit there and say sasuke got power hand outs when naruto no longer has to work hard ever again.
Are you serious? Sasuke was given a bloodline limit like Sharingan. He was given, practically, MS. He was given the Cursed Seal. He was practically given Orochimaru's abilities, since Oro fought under huge handicaps, one of which was not fighting to kill. What exactly has Sasuke trained so hard to do? Be fast? Learn taijutsu? Learn ninjutsu and genjutsu? Most of which he copied? Meanwhile we have Naruto, who has always been shown to be a hard worker, and has always had it difficult.

Oh.

Um, Dying Itachi beat Orosuke, the strongest form of Sasuke we've seen. Orosuke > MSasuke. Dying Itachi, by all rights, should be >>>>>> MSasuke. SM Naruto >>>> MSasuke.

Yeah, this fight definitely comes down to Itachi and Naruto. Sasuke is a non-factor. Will Naruto already be in SM, have the two elder sages out also?

SM Naruto > Sasuke. Dying Itachi > Sasuke. Since Dying Itachi = Jiraiya, and SM Naruto's been stated to surpass Jiraiya, it's a safe bet the advantage would go to Naruto.
Its funny how people use itachis sick card aginst sasuke when 30 percent of sick itachi was holding off kakashi and naruto while not trying to kill them because they were comrades, lol. The sick card doesnt work anymore. Itachi was just that strong despite being sick, but Myth cant exept that so he reinterprits Jmans Stats to match his Oppinion that Kishi knowing what Jman could do didnt add them for no reason, lol.

Also, saying Orouke>MSaukes is your oppinion. Sasuke doesnt need Oros power including the CS because his MS already has more powerful jutsu. Three to be precise. That and the CS took chakra to give sasuke SG more power. Now, sasuke can save that wasted energy for his MS. SO theyere pretty much equal until we find out sasuke final MS jutsu.

Are you serious? Sasuke was given a bloodline limit like Sharingan. He was given, practically, MS. He was given the Cursed Seal. He was practically given Orochimaru's abilities, since Oro fought under huge handicaps, one of which was not fighting to kill. What exactly has Sasuke trained so hard to do? Be fast? Learn taijutsu? Learn ninjutsu and genjutsu? Most of which he copied? Meanwhile we have Naruto, who has always been shown to be a hard worker, and has always had it difficult.

Sasuke SG=NAruto enldess chakra pool and some kind of KB affinity "how else do you explain it?".

Sasuke, after traing his ass off to develop his SG gained the MS AFter itachi died.=Naruto after learning to use KBs can now gain jutsu without working for an extended period of time.

Sasuke CS<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<NAruto kyuubi with regenerating benifits

Sasuke amaterasu. well, we dont know exactly what itachi gave naruto yet.

There! Naruto wins by a land slide because of the ultimate gift of Kyuubi.

So thats all you have on sasuke. Sasuke just copied the jutsu anyway.

Face it! Now that naruto can use his KBs to gain any jutsu he wants within a week or two. He can no longer be considered a hard, presistant worker.

lmfaooooooo u just won't quit will ya bro its done move the fuck on ur 23 years old ur acting like ur 5...

P.s. 30% itachi wasn't actually itachi it was his chakra the body of the shinobi was different his name was yurra.... naruto wasn't to strong back then either...

Itachi and sasuke is a done deal he gave sasuke what he had at the time which was far less then 100% its not that sasuke is so strong he withstood it its that itachi couldn't give anymore because he had no more to give.. damnnnn

Naruto trains for everything unlike sasuke his most powerful attributes were given to him for free

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oro abilities he didn't train for any of those he just got them.

Its funny how people use itachis sick card aginst sasuke when 30 percent of sick itachi was holding off kakashi and naruto while not trying to kill them because they were comrades, lol.
30% of his chakra, not strength.

The sick card doesnt work anymore.You saying it doesn't work doesn't make it so.


Also, saying Orouke>MSaukes is your oppinion.Duh. But it's also an opinion backed up by events that have happened in the manga.

Sasuke doesnt need Oros power including the CS because his MS already has more powerful jutsu. Three to be precise.As of right now, Sasuke has but one, and we've already seen Orosuke counter it. So yeah, Orosuke > MSasuke until he shows otherwise.

That and the CS took chakra to give sasuke SG more power. Now, sasuke can save that wasted energy for his MS.Show me where it says that CS uses up more chakra to make his Sharingan stronger. Also, wasted chakra? Saving it? You mean how Sasuke uses MS just to question a fodder ninja? Yeah.

SO theyere pretty much equal until we find out sasuke final MS jutsu.As of now, Orosuke > MSasuke. Orosuke would stomp him.

Sasuke SG=NAruto enldess chakra pool and some kind of KB affinity "how else do you explain it?".Someone having a large chakra pool =\= someone being given a bloodline limit. That's just ridiculous of you to think that. I almost don't even want to take anything you say seriously because of that statement. o_O Like, wow. And KB affinity? lol Stop making things up.

Sasuke, after traing his ass off to develop his SG gained the MS AFter itachi died.Itachi planned the entire fight, and planned on making sure Sasuke would gain MS from the fight. He almost literally gave Sasuke MS. And how do you know Sasuke trained his Sharingan so much? Without another Sharingan user there to teach him, who else would have taught him? Orochimaru? Kabuto? None of whom have Sharingans, nor should really know how to train them well?

=Naruto after learning to use KBs can now gain jutsu without working for an extended period of time.His bunshins all work together and gain the experience and skill. The clones are still him, if you get my drift.

Sasuke CS<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<NAruto kyuubi with regenerating benifitsCS2 Sasuke didn't seem too phased against Kyuubi Naruto, regenerating or not.

Sasuke amaterasu. well, we dont know exactly what itachi gave naruto yet.Oh, right, Itachi gave Amat to Sasuke also. Yet another gift Sasuke didn't have to work for.

There! Naruto wins by a land slide because of the ultimate gift of Kyuubi.Kyuubi, which Naruto doesn't use. Wow, Naruto won for having something he doesn't take advantage of! Wonderful logic!

So thats all you have on sasuke. Sasuke just copied the jutsu anyway.

Face it! Now that naruto can use his KBs to gain any jutsu he wants within a week or two. He can no longer be considered a hard, presistant worker.To gain ANY jutsu? So you're saying with bunshin work, he'd be able to gain techniques like Edo Tensei and Shinra Tensei? =o Wow, I didn't know that. And really, that's not too much, considering Sasuke can just copy techniques or have them handed to him.

I don't know what this thread's about but i'm just gonna say ... itachi's dead so unless there is a corpses ressuction jutsu that brings him back in full force he ain't pawning nobody ... that's for damn sure and if he does what's he gonna do next call out to eat their brains...

but between naruto and sasuske ... naruto got him in the physical form in SM but last time i checked naruto's genjustu was terrible and one only has to cut two clones becuz he can't make more than that when harnesting natural energy.

sasuske still has the edge until we find out what itachi did for naruto.

lmfaooooooo u just won't quit will ya bro its done move the fuck on ur 23 years old ur acting like ur 5...

P.s. 30% itachi wasn't actually itachi it was his chakra the body of the shinobi was different his name was yurra.... naruto wasn't to strong back then either...
LOL! Your missing the point. Wether it was a differant body or not. 30 percent held off kakashi and naruto while not trying to kill them. However, sasuke faced 100 percent of itachis chakra "not his health" which makes the itachi sasuke fought over 3 times more powerful than the one kakashi and naruto had a hard time with.

LOL! Naruto wasnt strong back then. Thats what naruto is capable of without SM. Are you sating narutos not a strong shinobi without SM?

Itachi and sasuke is a done deal he gave sasuke what he had at the time which was far less then 100% its not that sasuke is so strong he withstood it its that itachi couldn't give anymore because he had no more to give.. damnnnn

Naruto trains for everything unlike sasuke his most powerful attributes were given to him for free

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oro abilities he didn't train for any of those he just got them.LMAO! What are you talking about? Itachi thrw only his most powerful jutsu at sasuke witch took 100 percent of his chakra, not 30 percent. For some reason you cant exept that sasuke was able to stand up to 100 percent of itachis chakra and naruto, kakashi wouldve been raped if they had such a hard time with 30 percent itachi.

lol, sasuke was given everything he has. If you wouldve read my previous post then there would be no need for this comment.

LMAO! What are you talking about? Itachi thrw only his most powerful jutsu at sasuke witch took 100 percent of his chakra, not 30 percent. For some reason you cant exept that sasuke was able to stand up to 100 percent of itachis chakra and naruto, kakashi wouldve been raped if they had such a hard time with 30 percent itachi.

cept he wasn't 100% u dufus u don't understand that itachi used 4 jutsu in that fight a C RANK FIRE TECHNIQUE AND 3 OF HIS MKS JUTSU he has shown way more then that pre time skip...

He gave as much as he had to sasuke the only dumb ass on this forum who thinks itachi was 100% is u so yeah..

genjutsu isn't a factor when u have near perfect chakra control naruto has this he was trained to balance all 3 types of chakra evenly though out the whole time he is in sage mode.

damnit dude why do u always quote me if naruto's chakra can't be messed up by outside interference then he should be able to get out of this little predicament.

There is absolutely no evidence that Sage mode is immune to genjutsu...

that is ur opinion myth and that ain't backed up by any evidence in the manga.

As it stands, SM Naruto is accompanied by the two elder toads. Even if Sasuke manages to catch Naruto in genjutsu, one of the two toads can snap him out of it. And even if they're not around, c'mon. His chakra control is ridiculous now. He can easily kai his way out of it, or simply, you know, not look into Sasuke's eyes. Naruto does know this is a way to counter Sharingan genjutsu.

damnit dude why do u always quote me if naruto's chakra can't be messed up by outside interference then he should be able to get out of this little predicament.

There is absolutely no evidence that Sage mode is immune to genjutsu...

that is ur opinion myth and that ain't backed up by any evidence in the manga.

no bro u mis understood me here check it out.

Genjutsu is easy to break if u have good chakra control right. so say if u have near perfect chakra control its even easier to break. the way to break genjutsu is by stoping the flow or increasing it. Since naruto can balance all 3 easily he can easily decrease or increase those 3.. he'd prob decrease it...

there also the fact that frogs are with him 1 or more due to him needing someone to reverse summon his bushinn from wherever he hid them...

Genjutsu is easy to break if u have good chakra control right.
^This. Even Orochimaru was on his way to breaking out of Itachi's genjutsu back then, Itachi knew this, which was why he sliced Orochimaru's hand off. To prevent him from releasing the genjutsu.

^This. Even Orochimaru was on his way to breaking out of Itachi's genjutsu back then, Itachi knew this, which was why he sliced Orochimaru's hand off. To prevent him from releasing the genjutsu.

Nah lls just didn't understand what i meant he knows his stuff unlike some other person...

[QUOTE]30% of his chakra, not strength. What? Chakra is strength, speed, stamina ect.

You saying it doesn't work doesn't make it so.

Duh. But it's also an opinion backed up by events that have happened in the manga.
If you understand what the CS does for sasuke then you should know that the MS does the same.

As of right now, Sasuke has but one, and we've already seen Orosuke counter it. So yeah, Orosuke > MSasuke until he shows otherwise.

Show me where it says that CS uses up more chakra to make his Sharingan stronger. Also, wasted chakra? Saving it? You mean how Sasuke uses MS just to question a fodder ninja? Yeah.
Well, sasuke needs to learn how to use his MS doesnt he. What better way to practice than on someone. Also, ill be back with the link.
Here you go!http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/230/10/
As of now, Orosuke > MSasuke. Orosuke would stomp him.

Someone having a large chakra pool =\= someone being given a bloodline limit. That's just ridiculous of you to think that. I almost don't even want to take anything you say seriously because of that statement. o_O Like, wow. And KB affinity? lol Stop making things up.
Well, I added narutos huge chakra pool with narutos "natural ability" to use KBs. I mean come on! Naruto learned a jounin jutsu in an hour when he couldnt doa regular clone jutsu. Affinity or not. NAruto is NATURALY talented to use KBS.

Itachi planned the entire fight, and planned on making sure Sasuke would gain MS from the fight. He almost literally gave Sasuke MS. And how do you know Sasuke trained his Sharingan so much? Without another Sharingan user there to teach him, who else would have taught him? Orochimaru? Kabuto? None of whom have Sharingans, nor should really know how to train them well?
Oro clearly showed sasuke how to use genjutsu since its not common knowledge. Everything else kakashi taught him.

True! Itachi meant for sasuke to gain the MS. Still, since itachi died. sauske wouldve gained it anyway wether itachi wanted him to or not, but yes. Itachi meant for it.

His bunshins all work together and gain the experience and skill. The clones are still him, if you get my drift.
Yes the KBs are still him. However, they dont have to train hard for more than a couple weeks for a jutsu. Thats not hard work. From what weve seen. ALmost all the 11 genin train as hard as they can. Neji, Lee, sakura ect.

CS2 Sasuke didn't seem too phased against Kyuubi Naruto, regenerating or not.
As Ive said in another post. Sasuke saved his C2 while using his SG to wear down naruto making him weaker so he could use C2 later to iver power naruto. However, even worn down naruto was still even.

Oh, right, Itachi gave Amat to Sasuke also. Yet another gift Sasuke didn't have to work for.
Yeah and naruto worked hard for w/e he got!

Kyuubi, which Naruto doesn't use. Wow, Naruto won for having something he doesn't take advantage of! Wonderful logic!
LOL! Thats narutos choice not to use it. He has the power, but naruto doesnt have the skills to control it.

To gain ANY jutsu? So you're saying with bunshin work, he'd be able to gain techniques like Edo Tensei and Shinra Tensei? =o Wow, I didn't know that. And really, that's not too much, considering Sasuke can just copy techniques or have them handed to him.Lol, you know what I meant. Yes, sasuke can copy jutsu like the lotus. However, sasuke cant copy the speed and power by which its used. Sasuke has to train for that. Naruto can just have kakashi explain a jutsu for him and then master it in couple of weeks. Naruto doe3snt need the skill to understand a jutsu with a teachers help.

Mikey don't bother....

Kyf chakra isn't "speed power etc etc" its needed to fuel ur jutsu by combing physical energy and spiritual energy u can perform a jutsu..

Speed power is all training lol since i doubt u or any other living person has chakra

Mikey don't bother....

Kyf chakra isn't "speed power etc etc" its needed to fuel ur jutsu by combing physical energy and spiritual energy u can perform a jutsu..

Speed power is all training lol since i doubt u or any other living person has chakra

What are you talking about? A ninja cant have great speed, strength, stamina ect without chakra. Its juts as you said. You have to train for speed, strength ect, but training is what builds chakra. And chakra is what powers those abilities.

Example: Lee and gai both increase thier speed, power, ect by releasing their gates allowing them to use more chakra. Not because time stopped, they trained for 10 years, then time started again and boom. They shoot off with their new speed and power they earned from training.

^This. Even Orochimaru was on his way to breaking out of Itachi's genjutsu back then, Itachi knew this, which was why he sliced Orochimaru's hand off. To prevent him from releasing the genjutsu.

What? Slicing Oros hand off which causes an ass load of pain is the best way to break out of a genjutsu. Why would itachi do that?

^This. Even Orochimaru was on his way to breaking out of Itachi's genjutsu back then, Itachi knew this, which was why he sliced Orochimaru's hand off. To prevent him from releasing the genjutsu.

If thats the case then how did Sasuke's half retarded ass fuck Oro's body transfer up with his inferior sharingan genjutsu ?

Can't we all agree til we see more we can't determine a winner between Itachi and Naruto(sage mode)?

Mystik- It's not that i'm sucking naruto off but he is currently on par with one of the most devastating forces in the manga, Pain. Ya he'll probably lose but he has pulled upsets before.

What are you talking about? A ninja cant have great speed, strength, stamina ect without chakra. Its juts as you said. You have to train for speed, strength ect, but training is what builds chakra. And chakra is what powers those abilities.

Example: Lee and gai both increase thier speed, power, ect by releasing their gates allowing them to use more chakra. Not because time stopped, they trained for 10 years, then time started again and boom. They shoot off with their new speed and power they earned from training.

That's called physical training u train ur body to move at a faster rate u train ur body to hit harder it's all physical get it. Chakra builds up from that but it doesn't power those features chakra powers things like ninjutsu.

That's called physical training u train ur body to move at a faster rate u train ur body to hit harder it's all physical get it. Chakra builds up from that but it doesn't power those features chakra powers things like ninjutsu.

If chakra only powered ninjutsu then I guess Lee and Gai have almost no chakra, right? JK! Still, in the narutoverse. Chakra is what powers shinobi to do what they do, including taijutsu.

Yes a ninja can train to be faster and stronger. But, if that ninja doesnt have the chakra to feul his muscles, mind ect then hes not going to be any faster. Its just like sasuke Body flicker. Its not a ninjutsu, but it requires chakra to do. And if sasuke didnt have that chakra then he wouldnt be able to move that fast. I dont know ho else to explain it?:confused:?

Its easy! When naruto gained the kyuubi chakra during his and sasukes fight. NArutos speed and power inreased dramaticly. Now, a time skip later after training with Jman, narutos still wasnt as fast of strong as when he had the kyuubi powering him. Why? Because naruto didnt have the amount of chakra he had when he fought sasuke.

If chakra only powered ninjutsu then I guess Lee and Gai have almost no chakra, right? JK! Still, in the narutoverse. Chakra is what powers shinobi to do what they do, including taijutsu.

Yes a ninja can train to be faster and stronger. But, if that ninja doesnt have the chakra to feul his muscles, mind ect then hes not going to be any faster. Its just like sasuke Body flicker. Its not a ninjutsu, but it requires chakra to do. And if sasuke didnt have that chakra then he wouldnt be able to move that fast. I dont know ho else to explain it?:confused:?

Its easy! When naruto gained the kyuubi chakra during his and sasukes fight. NArutos speed and power inreased dramaticly. Now, a time skip later after training with Jman, narutos still wasnt as fast of strong as when he had the kyuubi powering him. Why? Because naruto didnt have the amount of chakra he had when he fought sasuke.

Woah slow down man. I agree to a point but chakra and muscles go hand in hand. Just because sasuke has the chakra to body flicker doesn't mean he built the muscles for it. Hence Sasuke can only do it for so long.

Another point is that Naruto thing is bs and speculation. Since we all have established not to assume without facts from the manga.

If chakra only powered ninjutsu then I guess Lee and Gai have almost no chakra, right? JK! Still, in the narutoverse. Chakra is what powers shinobi to do what they do, including taijutsu.

Yes a ninja can train to be faster and stronger. But, if that ninja doesnt have the chakra to feul his muscles, mind ect then hes not going to be any faster. Its just like sasuke Body flicker. Its not a ninjutsu, but it requires chakra to do. And if sasuke didnt have that chakra then he wouldnt be able to move that fast. I dont know ho else to explain it?:confused:?

Its easy! When naruto gained the kyuubi chakra during his and sasukes fight. NArutos speed and power inreased dramaticly. Now, a time skip later after training with Jman, narutos still wasnt as fast of strong as when he had the kyuubi powering him. Why? Because naruto didnt have the amount of chakra he had when he fought sasuke.

Actually thats completely incorrect. Gai and lee reached such a high lvl of speed and power through sheer exercise and physical training. Chakra has nothing to do with it.

No one in the series trains like those 2, they walk around with weights on their legs no one else does that.

So you're saying that Naruto had less chakra while training with jiraya at kn3-kn4 than when he fought sasuke at kn0-kn1 ??

Plz explain because that makes 0 sense.

out of the 3 , itachi is the winner!

If chakra only powered ninjutsu then I guess Lee and Gai have almost no chakra, right? JK! Still, in the narutoverse. Chakra is what powers shinobi to do what they do, including taijutsu.

Yes a ninja can train to be faster and stronger. But, if that ninja doesnt have the chakra to feul his muscles, mind ect then hes not going to be any faster. Its just like sasuke Body flicker. Its not a ninjutsu, but it requires chakra to do. And if sasuke didnt have that chakra then he wouldnt be able to move that fast. I dont know ho else to explain it?:confused:?

Its easy! When naruto gained the kyuubi chakra during his and sasukes fight. NArutos speed and power inreased dramaticly. Now, a time skip later after training with Jman, narutos still wasnt as fast of strong as when he had the kyuubi powering him. Why? Because naruto didnt have the amount of chakra he had when he fought sasuke.



look at gai and lee they got their speed and power from training the old way wearing weights pushing their bodies beyond with weird exercise nothing to do with chakra there at all.

It def is there but that has nothing to do with chakra.. u increase chakra when u get older ur chakra network grows the but then when u start getting past ur prime ur chakra network grows down Like sarutobi's..

but training speed and power is far from chakra YES ur right u can increase its effects with chakra like speed sasuke uses sushinn instead of lee's moves cause it tires him out to much unlike sushinn.. sakura and tsunade are strong because they have such good chakra control they can focus a certain amount on their hands and hit harder kakashi commented on this as well.

Speed and power = normal hard working training

chakra - boosts them i guess we can say it like that.

out of the 3 , itachi is the winner!

I agree 100%

Itachi at full health would wipe the floor with either Naruto or Sasuke.

Edit: Found this, thought I should tosss it in here since there seems to be a debate over Chakra and it's definition.

Ninja produce chakra through the combination of their two body energies: the physical energy and the mental energy.

Hope this makes things a bit more clear for some people.

I agree 100%

Itachi at full health would wipe the floor with either Naruto or Sasuke.

Edit: Found this, thought I should tosss it in here since there seems to be a debate over Chakra and it's definition.

Ninja produce chakra through the combination of their two body energies: the physical energy and the mental energy.

Hope this makes things a bit more clear for some people.

i said that about chakra already lol cept i said spiritual energy same shit though lol.

My opinion if it helps infuriate people...

Itachi > Naruto > Sasuke.

Itachi will eventually be bumped down this list but I imagine Naruto is going to just continue to wow and amaze us. What are the odds, seriously, that he would lose twice to Sasuke? Just saying...

Detcelfer
My opinion if it helps infuriate people...

Itachi > Naruto > Sasuke.

Itachi will eventually be bumped down this list but I imagine Naruto is going to just continue to wow and amaze us. What are the odds, seriously, that he would lose twice to Sasuke? Just saying

there's a possibility that this is how it stands at the moment, however its plain old speculation..

by the way, naruto isnt the only one who will be getting stronger..sasuke and naruto will always be rivals in terms of power, and they will always be evenly matched. Not 100% of the time obviously. Sasuke is undoubtably going to get stronger so we havnt seen the last of him and his limits.
Itachi will be pushed back into the distance as the series goes on.

Itachi>Naruto=Sasuke is as it stands. Until you see the final fight let that B**** breath! At the end of the day Sasuke won the last two meetings and has been on fire since. I know naruto will own his ass in the next fight but until that happens we all are just speculating...

Mystic you always starting something...LMAO

Oh well im jst gonna give my opinion based on the character statement in the manga

1. i remember correctly tht Itachi once said tht Jiraiya is too powerful for him. i remember after orochimaru killed the 3rd, Itachi and Kisame came 2 konoha in order 2 take Naruto, but since Naruto with Jiraiya, itachi use another way, he didnt have the guts 2 confront him. he told us tht both Kisame and him r no match for jiraiya and the best scenario if both of them fight Jiraiya wud be all die ( the 3 off them ). that means Itachi + Kisame = Jiraiya, so jiraiya >> Itachi.

2. now as we all know. Fukasaku, Jiraiya's and Naruto's teacher alrready state tht Naruto has surpased the one b4 him.And im sure as the teacher he knows the level of strenght of all his pupils. So Naruto > jiraiya

3. If Itachi want to kill Sasuke, he wud. but he couldnt cuz sasuke's everything for him. so Itachi > Sasuke

And tht means Naruto > Itachi > Sasuke

Yepp Naruto pwns all lol :D

Oh well im jst gonna give my opinion based on the character statement in the manga

1. i remember correctly tht Itachi once said tht Jiraiya is too powerful for him. i remember after orochimaru killed the 3rd, Itachi and Kisame came 2 konoha in order 2 take Naruto, but since Naruto with Jiraiya, itachi use another way, he didnt have the guts 2 confront him. he told us tht both Kisame and him r no match for jiraiya and the best scenario if both of them fight Jiraiya wud be all die ( the 3 off them ). that means Itachi + Kisame = Jiraiya, so jiraiya >> Itachi.

2. now as we all know. Fukasaku, Jiraiya's and Naruto's teacher alrready state tht Naruto has surpased the one b4 him.And im sure as the teacher he knows the level of strenght of all his pupils. So Naruto > jiraiya

3. If Itachi want to kill Sasuke, he wud. but he couldnt cuz sasuke's everything for him. so Itachi > Sasuke

And tht means Naruto > Itachi > Sasuke

Yepp Naruto pwns all lol :D

in the manga itachi never said those words but he did hint to them by saying "all powerful opponents have a weakness"

well, at least we can agree that a healthy itachi would Murder anyone in the Manga so far.

Oh well im jst gonna give my opinion based on the character statement in the manga

1. i remember correctly tht Itachi once said tht Jiraiya is too powerful for him. i remember after orochimaru killed the 3rd, Itachi and Kisame came 2 konoha in order 2 take Naruto, but since Naruto with Jiraiya, itachi use another way, he didnt have the guts 2 confront him. he told us tht both Kisame and him r no match for jiraiya and the best scenario if both of them fight Jiraiya wud be all die ( the 3 off them ). that means Itachi + Kisame = Jiraiya, so jiraiya >> Itachi.

2. now as we all know. Fukasaku, Jiraiya's and Naruto's teacher alrready state tht Naruto has surpased the one b4 him.And im sure as the teacher he knows the level of strenght of all his pupils. So Naruto > jiraiya

3. If Itachi want to kill Sasuke, he wud. but he couldnt cuz sasuke's everything for him. so Itachi > Sasuke
If we also remember, Itachi was always loyal to Konoha regardless of what he did to the Uchiha, something he only did because they were planning a coup!! It could be that he honestly didn't want to fight the J-man regardless and if he'd really been loyal to Akatsuki, he would have caught Naruto before fighting Sasuke!! So what Itachi said to Akatsuki never really counts because he was technically a double agent who only returned to the village to ensure Danzo knew he was still about and he better not hurt his brother!! That trip had never been about capturing Naruto either way so he perhaps kept up the pretense!! As a double agent, we can't really trust anything he said to the Akatsuki!! His goal was always dying by his brother's hands and saving his village!!

Naruto and Itachi are about even and i dont see sasuke beating either 1 the way he is know. a naruto vs itachi fight naruto could win because of his speed and it depends if kakashi can't keep up

Itachi>Naruto=Sasuke is as it stands. Until you see the final fight let that B**** breath! At the end of the day Sasuke won the last two meetings and has been on fire since. I know naruto will own his ass in the next fight but until that happens we all are just speculating...

Mystic you always starting something...LMAO

Hey i am innocent >.<

yeah its just speculation for the moment till it actually happens. Well the Itachi part wont ever happen.

there's a possibility that this is how it stands at the moment, however its plain old speculation..

by the way, naruto isnt the only one who will be getting stronger..sasuke and naruto will always be rivals in terms of power, and they will always be evenly matched. Not 100% of the time obviously. Sasuke is undoubtably going to get stronger so we havnt seen the last of him and his limits.
Itachi will be pushed back into the distance as the series goes on.

Obviously Sasuke will be getting stronger. But the question is posed in the here and now. Naruto > Sasuke. The second time they truly face off, I think we all know what the outcome will be. So if Sasuke DOES catch up or match Naruto its no time soon. Can not believe it is so hard for people to accept.

well, at least we can agree that a healthy itachi would Murder anyone in the Manga so far.

no we can't agree on that cause it was said Minato was the strongest shinbi the leaf ever produced and he was also the greatest hokage... then we have madara who is strogner then itachi whom was weaker then shodaime whom was surpassed by sarutobi whom was succeeded by jiraiya and then we have pain.. as well as hanzo in his prime so yeah he is far from owning everyone like u say... and there's no point in arguing this cause its been stated by the "manga" u believe.

Chuck Norris pwns all, end of discussion!


hehe jokes aside. SO FAR itachi is/was the best of the trio. IMO of course

Chuck Norris pwns all, end of discussion!


hehe jokes aside. SO FAR itachi is/was the best of the trio. IMO of course

overall itachi is the best out of this trio lol

no we can't agree on that cause it was said Minato was the strongest shinbi the leaf ever produced and he was also the greatest hokage... then we have madara who is strogner then itachi whom was weaker then shodaime whom was surpassed by sarutobi whom was succeeded by jiraiya and then we have pain.. as well as hanzo in his prime so yeah he is far from owning everyone like u say... and there's no point in arguing this cause its been stated by the "manga" u believe.

No, your right. Healthy itachi couldnt beat Minato and is probably not going to beat madara without the EMS. So, yeah. Two people are all itachi probaly cant beat.

No, your right. Healthy itachi couldnt beat Minato and is probably not going to beat madara without the EMS. So, yeah. Two people are all itachi probaly cant beat.

yes and shodaime kicked madaras ass while he was in his prime and with kyuubi and with ems so he can't beat that either... pain as well... sarutobi in his prime was called the god of all ninja.... jiraiya would beat him as or they both die as a draw either way its..

yes and shodaime kicked madaras ass while he was in his prime and with kyuubi and with ems so he can't beat that either... pain as well... sarutobi in his prime was called the god of all ninja.... jiraiya would beat him as or they both die as a draw either way its..

As we know, Styles make fights. So actually, even though Shodaime could probably win. I doubt Sarutobi "in his prime" or Jman could win. Sarutobi just has no way of dealing with itachis skills coupled with his MS. And Jman with his HM uses speed and power to win. However, itachis SG can track all of Jmans movements and read all of his Jutsu as well. Meaning if Jmna cant hit itachis with all that power or catch itachi with his speed the how is Jman supposed to win? IMO, Healthy itachi could take those two.

If we also remember, Itachi was always loyal to Konoha regardless of what he did to the Uchiha, something he only did because they were planning a coup!! It could be that he honestly didn't want to fight the J-man regardless and if he'd really been loyal to Akatsuki, he would have caught Naruto before fighting Sasuke!! So what Itachi said to Akatsuki never really counts because he was technically a double agent who only returned to the village to ensure Danzo knew he was still about and he better not hurt his brother!! That trip had never been about capturing Naruto either way so he perhaps kept up the pretense!! As a double agent, we can't really trust anything he said to the Akatsuki!! His goal was always dying by his brother's hands and saving his village!!

And if we also remember that in order for Itachi to gt escape from Jiraiya's regular jutsu the frog belly, Itachi was forced to used his Highly level jutsu, the MS, amaterasu. and those things automatically gave me the impression that Jiraiya's more powerful than Itachi and makes me believe if Itachi fought Jiraiya, he'd be dead or the best wud be all die. regardless what itachi said 2 akatsuki!!!!!

And if we also remember that in order for Itachi to gt escape from Jiraiya's regular jutsu the frog belly, Itachi was forced to used his Highly level jutsu, the MS, amaterasu. and those things automatically gave me the impression that Jiraiya's more powerful than Itachi and makes me believe if Itachi fought Jiraiya, he'd be dead or the best wud be all die. regardless what itachi said 2 akatsuki!!!!!

Actually for all we know that could have been a put on since Itachi wasnt a true akatsuki member. Im sure Jiraiya knew why he was in akatsuki but at that time we didnt know itachi was actually a spy. So that doesnt technically mean anything anymore.

what make u sure Jiraiya knew tht itachi's actually a spy, as far as i know the only one tht knows tht is madara/tobi only and Zetsu. Jiraiya never knows tht. thts pure speculation...

As its pure speculation with you saying he didnt know.. that can go both ways.

Nope, i was saying the events based on manga, the manga stated tht the one who knew who's Itachi really is r are Madara and Zetsu. Jiraiya never knows that..

People who knew Itachi was a spy were Sondaime, Danzo, Elders, Madara and thats it

yeah i know tht, what i meant was the akatsuki member who knew Itachi's a spy r Madara and Zetsu. and outside of those ppl r sarutobi, danzo and the elders.

sondaime?? :S

yeah i know tht, what i meant was the akatsuki member who knew Itachi's a spy r Madara and Zetsu. and outside of those ppl r sarutobi, danzo and the elders.

sondaime?? :S


Third Hokage

Oh i see lol xD

As we know, Styles make fights. So actually, even though Shodaime could probably win. I doubt Sarutobi "in his prime" or Jman could win. Sarutobi just has no way of dealing with itachis skills coupled with his MS. And Jman with his HM uses speed and power to win. However, itachis SG can track all of Jmans movements and read all of his Jutsu as well. Meaning if Jmna cant hit itachis with all that power or catch itachi with his speed the how is Jman supposed to win? IMO, Healthy itachi could take those two.

sarutobi took on 2 kage and orochimaru and only lost because he was to old....jiraiya's frog genjutsu would be enough to deal with itachi, genjutsu won't work since jiraiya has 2 partners with himmm so yeah.... not to mention how tactile jiraiya is lol.. itachi would put up a good fight against those 2 but in the end its w/e lol u get it..





we can all agree though konoha is the place where bad ass's are born



Minato
shodaime
madara
nidaime
itachi
jiraiya
sasuke
orochimaru
naruto
sarutobi
kakashi

lmfaooo look at that list

The sad thing is, is that we will never know the true extent to Itachi's abilities, all we really know is that, the little of what we did see was incredibly strong and potent!! He seemed so emotionless and yet, everything he did was motivated out of love and loyalty to his village and brother!! He wanted his brother to get strong enough to defend himself and knew he wouldn't be able to live knowing that Sasuke was killed!! And yet, he knew that if Sasuke found out the truth of what went down, he'd probably attack the village, so he gave Naruto a gift to fight off Sasuke in a way that he probably never could!! He pushed Sasuke to his limits, knowing he had to get rid of Orochimaru and his Cursed Mar, he never intended on killing Sasuke!! I wonder what a fight of his would be like if he entered it with the intent and resolve to kill, probably what happened the night of the clan massacre!!

Sure, if Naruto learns how to move as swiftly as his father then I think he has the potential to become greater than either Itachi and Sasuke!! As it stands now, I don't think he's greater than Itachi just yet!! I think its cool that we're really watching someone evolve to such an extent throughout the whole series, which is unusual in anime because the main characters usually start out pretty strong regardless!! Naruto started out pretty weak and we've watched him become strong to such an extent, its amazing and I have a feeling, with Itachi's gift and such, there's so much more he can do!!

The sad thing is, is that we will never know the true extent to Itachi's abilities, all we really know is that, the little of what we did see was incredibly strong and potent!! He seemed so emotionless and yet, everything he did was motivated out of love and loyalty to his village and brother!! He wanted his brother to get strong enough to defend himself and knew he wouldn't be able to live knowing that Sasuke was killed!! And yet, he knew that if Sasuke found out the truth of what went down, he'd probably attack the village, so he gave Naruto a gift to fight off Sasuke in a way that he probably never could!! He pushed Sasuke to his limits, knowing he had to get rid of Orochimaru and his Cursed Mar, he never intended on killing Sasuke!! I wonder what a fight of his would be like if he entered it with the intent and resolve to kill, probably what happened the night of the clan massacre!!

Sure, if Naruto learns how to move as swiftly as his father then I think he has the potential to become greater than either Itachi and Sasuke!! As it stands now, I don't think he's greater than Itachi just yet!! I think its cool that we're really watching someone evolve to such an extent throughout the whole series, which is unusual in anime because the main characters usually start out pretty strong regardless!! Naruto started out pretty weak and we've watched him become strong to such an extent, its amazing and I have a feeling, with Itachi's gift and such, there's so much more he can do!!

He's already grater then sasuke u make it sdound as if these 2 are gods please stop fanboying such bullshit u don't know how biased ur posts are...

Itachi is strong but he is far from being the strongest.... sasuke is nowhere it as of right now naruto is the superior one he already lost to sasuke twice it won't happen again the manga is at its climax..... naruto will keep growing and growing sasuke has one thing left get pms and thats all...

"he ha potential to become greater then itachi and sasuke" lmfaooooooo he ha potential to surpass the 4th hokage that nobody else still has done who the fuk is sasuke he already surpassed jiraiya whom could have killed itachi already explained dun't wanna argue it.....

sarutobi took on 2 kage and orochimaru and only lost because he was to old....jiraiya's frog genjutsu would be enough to deal with itachi, genjutsu won't work since jiraiya has 2 partners with himmm so yeah.... not to mention how tactile jiraiya is lol.. itachi would put up a good fight against those 2 but in the end its w/e lol u get it..





we can all agree though konoha is the place where bad ass's are born



Minato
shodaime
madara
nidaime
itachi
jiraiya
sasuke
orochimaru
naruto
sarutobi
kakashi

lmfaooo look at that list

Aye why the fuck aint Iruka on that list he's the baddest ass teacher in all oh the Leaf lol

Aye why the fuck aint Iruka on that list he's the baddest ass teacher in all oh the Leaf lol

Lol makes me wonder imagine iruka is a anbu undercover lmfaoo nah iruka is there for support this the guy that they all started out with, him and naruto are like brothers..

He's already grater then sasuke u make it sdound as if these 2 are gods please stop fanboying such bullshit u don't know how biased ur posts are...

Itachi is strong but he is far from being the strongest.... sasuke is nowhere it as of right now naruto is the superior one he already lost to sasuke twice it won't happen again the manga is at its climax..... naruto will keep growing and growing sasuke has one thing left get pms and thats all...

"he ha potential to become greater then itachi and sasuke" lmfaooooooo he ha potential to surpass the 4th hokage that nobody else still has done who the fuk is sasuke he already surpassed jiraiya whom could have killed itachi already explained dun't wanna argue it.....
One: I am not a sasuke Fanboy, I actually can't stand him because of what he's put Naruto and Sakura through!!

Two: I merely said both Itachi and Sasuke because, dang it, I did think this thread included those in its intent and purposes of being created!! This isn't the Naruto vs The Fourht Hokage Thread, if my memory serves me correctly!! The point of this thread is to compare the three ninjas mentioned (which includes Sasuke) and decide which we think would reign supreme and currently, my opinion is that we should have seen more of Itachi in order tom ake that judgement!!

Three: Don't accuse me of being a fanboy when you're clearly and biasedly a Naruto fanboy, which I don't mind due to the fact that I like Naruto as well, I'm just aware that he has yet to reach his peak!!

And Four: There's still no proof that the J-man could have defeated Itachi, nor if Itachi could have been defeated by any of this thread!! This is all speculation and opinion and believe it or not, everyone is entitled to one of those so don't jump down everyone's throat for not agreeing with you!!

Nope, i was saying the events based on manga, the manga stated tht the one who knew who's Itachi really is r are Madara and Zetsu. Jiraiya never knows that..

As i recall not sure if its right but jiraiya knew someone in akatsuki was a spy or something to do that effect. So who is to say it wasnt itachi he knew of.

He's already grater then sasuke u make it sdound as if these 2 are gods please stop fanboying such bullshit u don't know how biased ur posts are...

Itachi is strong but he is far from being the strongest.... sasuke is nowhere it as of right now naruto is the superior one he already lost to sasuke twice it won't happen again the manga is at its climax..... naruto will keep growing and growing sasuke has one thing left get pms and thats all...

"he ha potential to become greater then itachi and sasuke" lmfaooooooo he ha potential to surpass the 4th hokage that nobody else still has done who the fuk is sasuke he already surpassed jiraiya whom could have killed itachi already explained dun't wanna argue it.....

LOL! 1. Stop calling people fanboys when your narutos biggest.

2. Quit saying Jman can beat itachi and naruto can beat sasuke as if your stating a fact. Its your oppinion, lol. No matter how you interprit the manga. You have no proof other than your bias interpritations to back up any of your claims.

So quit attacking people with your Oppinion/facts.

"he ha potential to become greater then itachi and sasuke" lmfaooooooo he ha potential to surpass the 4th hokage that nobody else still has done who the fuk is sasuke he already surpassed jiraiya whom could have killed itachi already explained dun't wanna argue it.....


I hope ur not talking about the toad's stomach myth when ur saying jiraiya could have killed itachi... cuz i have no other reference for when the two encountered and if so well sh^t i do remember Itachi could have used his ameratsu on jaraiya but he didn't he chose to flee instead. I thought it was plain as day that Itachi didn't want to kill any leaf ninja's in his squabble to "catch" naruto.

I hope ur not talking about the toad's stomach myth when ur saying jiraiya could have killed itachi... cuz i have no other reference for when the two encountered and if so well sh^t i do remember Itachi could have used his ameratsu on jaraiya but he didn't he chose to flee instead. I thought it was plain as day that Itachi didn't want to kill any leaf ninja's in his squabble to "catch" naruto.

nah frog genjustsu lol that and jiraiya's taijutsu is better and he is strogner with way more chakra to outlast itachi that and fukasaku and shima are smarter then itachi they are sages...

oh not to mention hell swamp can easily do away with him since jiraiya can make it as big as he wants...

frog stomach was only broken because itachi's amaterasu pretty much owns any other PHYSICAL JUTSU... jiraiya can easily counter amaterasu as well with doing a replacement or kage bushinn to trick it.

It all comes down to toad genjutsu and susanoo susanoo can't block against sound so yeah... its as always either its a tie they both go or jiraiya wins...

p.s. if he used it on jiraiya he would end up dying as well cause then the only thing that can break it would be used his chakra was to low after that since he did a lot that day so yeahh.... he did the smart thing.

nah frog genjustsu lol that and jiraiya's taijutsu is better and he is strogner with way more chakra to outlast itachi that and fukasaku and shima are smarter then itachi they are sages...

oh not to mention hell swamp can easily do away with him since jiraiya can make it as big as he wants...

frog stomach was only broken because itachi's amaterasu pretty much owns any other PHYSICAL JUTSU... jiraiya can easily counter amaterasu as well with doing a replacement or kage bushinn to trick it.

It all comes down to toad genjutsu and susanoo susanoo can't block against sound so yeah... its as always either its a tie they both go or jiraiya wins...

That's just as bad myth ... u know how long that shit takes he had to get there quick otherwise itachi and kisame r off and gone with naruto ... that leaves no time for sage mode no time for hermit mode and no time to get the frogs off their lazy ass and gather sage energy and do the frog song.
Ma had to be convinced to fight the "destined" child cuz she was cooking.


Ameratsu and it's over jaraiya clearly never seen or heard of that tech before.

Ma had to be convinced to fight the "destined" child cuz she was cooking

because of this line i would be embarrassing myself if i argued with u..

LOL! 1. Stop calling people fanboys when your narutos biggest.

2. Quit saying Jman can beat itachi and naruto can beat sasuke as if your stating a fact. Its your oppinion, lol. No matter how you interprit the manga. You have no proof other than your bias interpritations to back up any of your claims.

So quit attacking people with your Oppinion/facts.

everyone else agrees that naruto can kick sasukes ass not only me i guess its all of there's opinions as well...:rolleyes:

[QUOTE]nah frog genjustsu lol that and jiraiya's taijutsu is better and he is strogner with way more chakra to outlast itachi that and fukasaku and shima are smarter then itachi they are sages...
LOL! Frog genjutsu takes two frogs, jman and alot of time for Prep. Tsukuyomi BAM! One second and your already in a coma, lol. Theres no comparison!

Also, Sage doesnt equal inteliigence, lol. By that logic, naruto is now smarter than everyone, lol. itachi was more intelligent. Check your stats I could care less for, if you dont want to consult the manga.

oh not to mention hell swamp can easily do away with him since jiraiya can make it as big as he wants...
LOL! Itachi can read hand sign so he would know an earth jutsu is coming.

frog stomach was only broken because itachi's amaterasu pretty much owns any other PHYSICAL JUTSU... jiraiya can easily counter amaterasu as well with doing a replacement or kage bushinn to trick it.A KB could stop the first one, Jman doesnt even know itachi has the jutsu. It would just happen and Jman would unfortunately be ash.

It all comes down to toad genjutsu and susanoo susanoo can't block against sound so yeah... its as always either its a tie they both go or jiraiya wins...Genjutsu or not. Jman needs the toads and time. So, itachi has plenty of time to kill a toad or Jman before they can even cast the genjutsu.

The most important point! Itachi is a master of genjutus so even if he was caught. He would either break out or reverse it. Take your pick.

p.s. if he used it on jiraiya he would end up dying as well cause then the only thing that can break it would be used his chakra was to low after that since he did a lot that day so yeahh.... he did the smart thing.[/

Actually, itachi died because it used the last of his life energy, not his chakra. itachi had already used all that up trying to make sasuke use his up.

That and I dont see why itachi would need sasoono.


MYTH
everyone else agrees that naruto can kick sasukes ass not only me i guess its all of there's opinions as well...

Ding, Ding, Ding! You finally get it.

because of this line i would be embarrassing myself if i argued with u..

...:rolleyes:


Oh plz that was a joke but also true at the same time ... I understand when u know ur wrong u retreat that's cool. Just like 9tails said damn dude u gonna let that guy get to u like that? Where's the old myth?

LOL! Frog genjutsu takes two frogs, jman and alot of time for Prep. Tsukuyomi BAM! One second and your already in a coma, lol. Theres no comparison!yeah thats if jiraiya looks in itachis eye oh wait he was 2 partners there with him...:rolleyes:

Also, Sage doesnt equal inteliigence, lol. By that logic, naruto is now smarter than everyone, lol. itachi was more intelligent. Check your stats I could care less for, if you dont want to consult the manga.
Itachi is more intelligent then jiraiya yes its true he is smart not battle wise though it old u before the nubmers in the data books don't mean a number and thats it it depends to what... battle wise ur manga has shown jiraiy>itachi lol

LOL! Itachi can read hand sign so he would know an earth jutsu is coming.
so lmfaooo doesn't mean anything jiraiya can strech it as much as a he wants covering the entire terrain.

A KB could stop the first one, Jman doesnt even know itachi has the jutsu. It would just happen and Jman would unfortunately be ash.yeah he never saw it before:rolleyes: even naruto knows the jutsu http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/396/09/ as does kakashi http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/396/05/ but yeah jiraiya who saw it first sealed it for sure never analyzed it he also didn't see how fire burned a frogs stomach which breaths fire..:rolleyes:

Genjutsu or not. Jman needs the toads and time. So, itachi has plenty of time to kill a toad or Jman before they can even cast the genjutsu.with what lmfaooo kill the toad lol with what u act like he will stay in one spot what an idiot

The most important point! Itachi is a master of genjutus so even if he was caught. He would either break out or reverse it. Take your pick.
master of genjutsu yes but this isn't a normal genjutsu once ur caught ur paralyzed all ur nerves if ur nerves are paralyzed u can't do shit PERIOD go read about that in wikipeida or something...


Actually, itachi died because it used the last of his life energy, not his chakra. itachi had already used all that up trying to make sasuke use his up.finally u get what i was trying to say years ago good job

That and I dont see why itachi would need sasoono.ur right he would be dead before that that and jiraiya doesn't need hermit mode:rolleyes: they are equallllll


U know u have nothing when i am countering everything u write with 1 liners..:cool: Trust me kyf its not everyones opinion its fact cause they unlike u read the manga they can see... as before this is the last thing i reply to u with no sense in me wasting my time with the likes of u ....


edit:LLS quit sucking 9taileddemons dick please ur an idiot u proved it in ur last post bye bye...


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I only agree Naruto would win in sage mode.. without sage mode i think it would be a pretty much even match between sasuke and naruto.

I only agree Naruto would win in sage mode.. without sage mode i think it would be a pretty much even match between sasuke and naruto.


Aww man listen to u ... trying to start sh^t again now? They r talking about Jaraiya and Itachi not naruto and sasuske.

I only agree Naruto would win in sage mode.. without sage mode i think it would be a pretty much even match between sasuke and naruto.

yeah i know mystik its good to see a sasuke fan understand the logic at hand pain is there to get killed by naruto pain>sasuke a 2 year old can understand this lol.

lls: once again stupidity is key to ur post she was commenting on what i wrote in the above reply to KYF

@ LLS - Myth knew what i was referring too.

Well there isnt hardly anyone on there that can pwn Pain .. only a select few.

edit:LLS quit sucking 9taileddemons dick please ur an idiot u proved it in ur last post bye bye...


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U riled up for real ... it's obvious that stuff earlier got under ur skin ... it's also obvious u didn't want to come back cuz u had no comeback. half the time u don't know what ur talking about. But i was just trying to debate but i'll leave u to K_Y_F since he's ur favorate man meat.

Edit: but i'll stay out of ur threads and leave u alone cuz u a little sensitive

U riled up for real ... it's obvious that stuff earlier got under ur skin ... it's also obvious u didn't want to come back cuz u had no comeback. half the time u don't know what ur talking about. But i was just trying to debate but i'll leave u to K_Y_F since he's ur favorate man meat.

LOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!! BY 9 tailed demon

yeah mystik i agree a select few only.

yeah thats if jiraiya looks in itachis eye oh wait he was 2 partners there with him...:rolleyes:
LOL! itachis clever, so he knows the frogs who are fused to Jman could snap him out. however, after itachi puts them all in tsukuyomi theres no one to snap the frogs out.

Itachi is more intelligent then jiraiya yes its true he is smart not battle wise though it old u before the nubmers in the data books don't mean a number and thats it it depends to what... battle wise ur manga has shown jiraiy>itachi lol
What? Jmans expirience isnt enough to overshadow itachis intelligence and exspirience together. Wether you like it or not, itachis strategic and tactical skills are on another level with itachis intelligence and exspirience.

so lmfaooo doesn't mean anything jiraiya can strech it as much as a he wants covering the entire terrain.Then Jman would catch himself, lol. Itachi knows hes weak against earth elements so hes going to run when he sees a earth seal. Again, your underestimating itachis intelligence


yeah he never saw it before:rolleyes: even naruto knows the jutsu http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/396/09/ as does kakashi http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/396/05/ but yeah jiraiya who saw it first sealed it for sure never analyzed it he also didn't see how fire burned a frogs stomach which breaths fire..:rolleyes:
Your missing the point! Jman doesnt know how itachi performed the jutsu. So, hows Jman going to be able to anticipate it and use a Kb? He cant! Most likely Jman will be looking for Kanton hand signs or something, but the amaterasu is MS jutsu. LOL, Jman cant avoid the attack plain and simple "in your words"

with what lmfaooo kill the toad lol with what u act like he will stay in one spot what an idiot
master of genjutsu yes but this isn't a normal genjutsu once ur caught ur paralyzed all ur nerves if ur nerves are paralyzed u can't do shit PERIOD go read about that in wikipeida or something...
LMAO! Itachi could simply put the frogs in a genjutsu and trick them into stopping the NE fusion leaving Jman and themselves vulnerable.

ALso, I know all about the Genjutsu. Although it paralyses the nerves. It doesnt paralyse itachis Chakra control as well as chakra which is whats used to break out of genjutsu. So, I ask you again. A break out or reversal?

finally u get what i was trying to say years ago good job
ur right he would be dead before that that and jiraiya doesn't need hermit mode:rolleyes: they are equallllll
LOL! Your still under the impression that Kishi didnt add HM to the DB stats. And again, lol. Thats your rediculous way of trying to make Jman stronger than he was. Kishi knew what Jman could do so why in the hell would he only leave Jmans Abilities out? Thats right, he wouldnt! Let it go dude. Your saying Kishi didnt know Jman had HM and thats why there not in the DB stats.


U know u have nothing when i am countering everything u write with 1 liners..:cool: Trust me kyf its not everyones opinion its fact cause they unlike u read the manga they can see... as before this is the last thing i reply to u with no sense in me wasting my time with the likes of u ....
I agree! Your wasting your time getting Humiliated for no reason.

edit:LLS quit sucking 9taileddemons dick please ur an idiot u proved it in ur last post bye bye...

Dont let Myth bother you LLS or 9tailsdemons. Myth insults everyone because hes frustrated at his lack of skill to debate.

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I only agree Naruto would win in sage mode.. without sage mode i think it would be a pretty much even match between sasuke and naruto.

What? Your saying naruto without SM is equal to sasuke? OK Mystic, your awesome but thats crazy!

U riled up for real ... it's obvious that stuff earlier got under ur skin ... it's also obvious u didn't want to come back cuz u had no comeback. half the time u don't know what ur talking about. But i was just trying to debate but i'll leave u to K_Y_F since he's ur favorate man meat.

Edit: but i'll stay out of ur threads and leave u alone cuz u a little sensative

Everyone here seems to be a little sensitive. I think it seems that way because people are throwing their side on. Remember there is always 3 sides to a story yours, his, and what really happened. Still don't get it? When I decided to talk about Itachi I knew people were going to come with these ridiculous comments. I mean we really don't know how strong he could've been or how he matches up to certain people. The mere fact I brought a fan favorite who is basically shrouded in mystery in put ppl into a lil roar.

What you all should've done if you really felt like this with stupid is have an unbiased comment and just let it be. Food for thought. :D

LOL! itachis clever, so he knows the frogs who are fused to Jman could snap him out. however, after itachi puts them all in tsukuyomi theres no one to snap the frogs out.


What? Jmans expirience isnt enough to overshadow itachis intelligence and exspirience together. Wether you like it or not, itachis strategic and tactical skills are on another level with itachis intelligence and exspirience.

Then Jman would catch himself, lol. Itachi knows hes weak against earth elements so hes going to run when he sees a earth seal. Again, your underestimating itachis intelligence



Your missing the point! Jman doesnt know how itachi performed the jutsu. So, hows Jman going to be able to anticipate it and use a Kb? He cant! Most likely Jman will be looking for Kanton hand signs or something, but the amaterasu is MS jutsu. LOL, Jman cant avoid the attack plain and simple "in your words"


LMAO! Itachi could simply put the frogs in a genjutsu and trick them into stopping the NE fusion leaving Jman and themselves vulnerable.

ALso, I know all about the Genjutsu. Although it paralyses the nerves. It doesnt paralyse itachis Chakra control as well as chakra which is whats used to break out of genjutsu. So, I ask you again. A break out or reversal?


LOL! Your still under the impression that Kishi didnt add HM to the DB stats. And again, lol. Thats your rediculous way of trying to make Jman stronger than he was. Kishi knew what Jman could do so why in the hell would he only leave Jmans Abilities out? Thats right, he wouldnt! Let it go dude. Your saying Kishi didnt know Jman had HM and thats why there not in the DB stats.



I agree! Your wasting your time getting Humiliated for no reason.



Dont let Myth bother you LLS or 9tailsdemons. Myth insults everyone because hes frustrated at his lack of skill to debate.

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What? Your saying naruto without SM is equal to sasuke? OK Mystic, your awesome but thats crazy![/QUOTE]

ur still an idiot and the most dumb minded 23 year old i have ever seen its cool though not everyone is equal i guess.

What? Your saying naruto without SM is equal to sasuke? OK Mystic, your awesome but thats crazy!

ur still an idiot and the most dumb minded 23 year old i have ever seen its cool though not everyone is equal i guess.

whats ur age dude?, and u r way in ur head when u think u r always right,
anyway naruto and sasuke are not equal to itachi yet!!! and if anyone disagrees, start arguing with me, i have plenty to support itachi!!!

What? Your saying naruto without SM is equal to sasuke? OK Mystic, your awesome but thats crazy!

ur still an idiot and the most dumb minded 23 year old i have ever seen its cool though not everyone is equal i guess.

LOL! Im sure you havent "seen" me. Anyways, BOT: I have some info from the mangan I seemed to of missed the first time I read it. However, it must be true coming from Kishi and ive already checked so its not a Mistranslation.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/397/11/
LMAO!Theres your proof for Tsukuyomi and Sasoono. Lol, thats not all. Seeing as how sasuke unlocked his MS, he should also have his own MS jutsu coupled with itachis making him that much more deadly. HAHA:cool:!


Edit:Your even more delusional than I thought if you believe naruto without SM can conpete with sasuke..

LOL! Im sure you havent "seen" me. Anyways, BOT: I have some info from the mangan I seemed to of missed the first time I read it. However, it must be true coming from Kishi and ive already checked so its not a Mistranslation.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/397/11/
LMAO!Theres your proof for Tsukuyomi and Sasoono. Lol, thats not all. Seeing as how sasuke unlocked his MS, he should also have his own MS jutsu coupled with itachis making him that much more deadly. HAHA:cool:!


Edit:Your even more delusional than I thought if you believe naruto without SM can conpete with sasuke..

I said naruto without sage mode can compete with sasuke where lol the person that quoted it was quoting mystik but since u suck at quoting anything u got mine and her post mixed..


cool link let me show u mine after madara thought it over...http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/404/16/ thats what itachi left him cuase if it was all he would make susanoo activate and kill madara...:rolleyes:

i thought someone would argue me regarding itachi, but it looks like its naruto vs sasuke , :P, well i m here to support itachi!!

whats ur age dude?, and u r way in ur head when u think u r always right,
anyway naruto and sasuke are not equal to itachi yet!!! and if anyone disagrees, start arguing with me, i have plenty to support itachi!!!

Orly? HE IS FUCKING DEAD MAN! How can you be equal to someone who is dead when you are alive? Die, am i right? This is so stupid how this is going on. You really can't say you know how Naruto and Itachi would go down. You can speculate that Naruto doesn't know genjutsu and blah blah. if kishi writes it so be it. Just like how he has most people thinking sharingan/ms is the shit and ems = god mode. Man, someone please prove that to me because once you do I will instantly stopping reading this manga. I'll just wait for Sasuke manga or the Sharingan chronicles.

Same could be said about sage mode but really it just came about so this is really just excitement. We really don't know about sage mode like sharingan techs. And yes sage mode can be beat in a few ways. drained, run out of sage chakra, die while in the mode, and probably if you fall under genjutsu(not exactly sure on this one though). But what I'm trying to say is I won't come into every thread and start spouting that Jariaya couldn't be beat by naruto and sasuke. who knows!??! Or that Naruto can't be beat in or out of sage mode. Shit happens deal with it. It may not be likely but atleast it gets you out of that narrow mind frame. Given the right circumstances and situation anybody can beat anyone. Isn't that how most of the fights in vs thread go down anyhow.:rolleyes:

I said naruto without sage mode can compete with sasuke where lol the person that quoted it was quoting mystik but since u suck at quoting anything u got mine and her post mixed..


cool link let me show u mine after madara thought it over...http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/404/16/ thats what itachi left him cuase if it was all he would make susanoo activate and kill madara...:rolleyes:

After madara thought it over? LMAO! Theres no way for you to reinterprit Kishis word that state Itachi gave all of his doujutsu to sasuke. However, itachis set amaterasu up for madara as well. Still, im not sure where your trying to go with that.

Also, lol. Itachi wouldnt make sasoono active because?

1. Sasoono has to be controled unlie amaterasu that just automaticly attacks the target like it did Madara. So, how would sasuke be able to use sasoono automaticly on madara? yep, thats right. He wouldnt be able to, lol.

2. Itachi wouldnt use sasoono to attack madara because not only would it fail because sasuke wouldnt know what to do with it showing up out of nowhere. Sasoono automaticly activating would cut into sasuke life energy which itachi whos goal is to protect sasuke wouldnt do.

All you have to do is think about it, lol. either way, i cant wait to see if sasukes learned to use them by the time he reaches konaha.

Orly? HE IS FUCKING DEAD MAN! How can you be equal to someone who is dead when you are alive? Die, am i right? This is so stupid how this is going on. You really can't say you know how Naruto and Itachi would go down. You can speculate that Naruto doesn't know genjutsu and blah blah. if kishi writes it so be it. Just like how he has most people thinking sharingan/ms is the shit and ems = god mode. Man, someone please prove that to me because once you do I will instantly stopping reading this manga. I'll just wait for Sasuke manga or the Sharingan chronicles.

Same could be said about sage mode but really it just came about so this is really just excitement. We really don't know about sage mode like sharingan techs. And yes sage mode can be beat in a few ways. drained, run out of sage chakra, die while in the mode, and probably if you fall under genjutsu(not exactly sure on this one though). But what I'm trying to say is I won't come into every thread and start spouting that Jariaya couldn't be beat by naruto and sasuke. who knows!??! Or that Naruto can't be beat in or out of sage mode. Shit happens deal with it. It may not be likely but atleast it gets you out of that narrow mind frame. Given the right circumstances and situation anybody can beat anyone. Isn't that how most of the fights in vs thread go down anyhow.:rolleyes:

well thread was made after he died, and its not being dead or alive i was considering it was in termsof who is better ninja, and for me itachi rules at that!!!

well thread was made after he died, and its not being dead or alive i was considering it was in termsof who is better ninja, and for me itachi rules at that!!!

Rofl but you have Pain as your avatar??!!?? TRAITOR!!:mad:

After madara thought it over? LMAO! Theres no way for you to reinterprit Kishis word that state Itachi gave all of his doujutsu to sasuke. However, itachis set amaterasu up for madara as well. Still, im not sure where your trying to go with that.

Also, lol. Itachi wouldnt make sasoono active because?

1. Sasoono has to be controled unlie amaterasu that just automaticly attacks the target like it did Madara. So, how would sasuke be able to use sasoono automaticly on madara? yep, thats right. He wouldnt be able to, lol.

2. Itachi wouldnt use sasoono to attack madara because not only would it fail because sasuke wouldnt know what to do with it showing up out of nowhere. Sasoono automaticly activating would cut into sasuke life energy which itachi whos goal is to protect sasuke wouldnt do.

All you have to do is think about it, lol. either way, i cant wait to see if sasukes learned to use them by the time he reaches konaha.

hmm good point on susanoo though u got it from me sasuke would die if he used susanoo because it takes away your life energy thus ending ur life lol u use to disgaree with that good u finally agreed.

Either way what madara said to zetsu goes as he only left that.. but i am not arguing this u think ur way ill think mine the manga will tell in time.. if he does have all 3 nothing changes really naruto as always will still wipe his ass with him...

Rofl but you have Pain as your avatar??!!?? TRAITOR!!:mad:

there was no mention of pain in this thread, i was comparing the three in thread title!!

[QUOTE]hmm good point on susanoo though u got it from me sasuke would die if he used susanoo because it takes away your life energy thus ending ur life lol u use to disgaree with that good u finally agreed.
lol, it doesnt take all of your life energy at once. Itachi was sick and yet the way he was talking, he'd used it more than once. With sasuke being 16. He could probably use it 4-6 times before being in the condition itachi was in.


Either way what madara said to zetsu goes as he only left that.. but i am not arguing this u think ur way ill think mine the manga will tell in time.. if he does have all 3 nothing changes really naruto as always will still wipe his ass with him...
Dude, that is "scray crazy". All madara said was that itachi tried to use amaterasu to make sure he wouldnt bring sasuke over to his side. Nowhere in that page did he even suggest thats all itachi gave him.

My biggest point that makes there no room to argue. Madara already talked about what amaterasu was for and then later brought up that somehow itachi gave ALL of his DOUJUTSU to sasuke before he died. It is what it is!

there was no mention of pain in this thread, i was comparing the three in thread title!!

Good point, you bastard I lost. No!!!! Btw Naruto will use sexy jutsu and itachi will fall victim because his ass hasn't got laid in a long while. :cool:

Good point, you bastard I lost. No!!!! Btw Naruto will use sexy jutsu and itachi will fall victim because his ass hasn't got laid in a long while. :cool:

how do u know that :rolleyes: :p

One thing I would like to discuss about itachi. He showed the ability to plan ahead even further than shikamaru with his plan for sasuke before during and after the fight. Even having not one "sasukes amaterasu for madara", but two "The crow of contiousness that itachi gave naruto" back up plans to insure his Ideal end result.

I guess I want to discuss itachis amazing ability to strategise.

how do u know that :rolleyes: :p

How do you not know it won't?

One thing I would like to discuss about itachi. He showed the ability to plan ahead even further than shikamaru with his plan for sasuke before during and after the fight. Even having not one "sasukes amaterasu for madara", but two "The crow of contiousness that itachi gave naruto" back up plans to insure his Ideal end result.

I guess I want to discuss itachis amazing ability to strategise.

I don't know if you can go that far. I mean to plan in advance while maintaining a jutsu struggle is pretty fucking intense. That is planning on the spot not planning before the battle. Shikamaru is pretty decent I guess I favor him but his dad must be even better.

How do you not know it won't?



I don't know if you can go that far. I mean to plan in advance while maintaining a jutsu struggle is pretty fucking intense. That is planning on the spot not planning before the battle. Shikamaru is pretty decent I guess I favor him but his dad must be even better.

I like shika too. Hes in my top four characters. Still, Itachi pretty much planned out sasukes life up until he died and then left some parts of his plan that didnt and still havenet kicked in, even after his death. Yes, this isnt on the spot battle startegy, but its still rather impressive dont you think. Granted we never got to see itachi fight where he would need strategise , "uncluding sasuke because he already had a plan". So thats just something else we may never know about itachi. Well, if itachi is anything like sasuke "which he is being his brother and all" then hes a great battle strategist.

I like shika too. Hes in my top four characters. Still, Itachi pretty much planned out sasukes life up until he died and then left some parts of his plan that didnt and still havenet kicked in, even after his death. Yes, this isnt on the spot battle startegy, but its still rather impressive dont you think. Granted we never got to see itachi fight where he would need strategise , "uncluding sasuke because he already had a plan". So thats just something else we may never know about itachi. Well, if itachi is anything like sasuke "which he is being his brother and all" then hes a great battle strategist.

Um what I meant is Itachi is basically another character who had potential if it was for his health issues and his secret mission. So all this speculation on Itachi really doesn't help. Ya he was strong to a point and we'll never know his limits now that he is dead. In my view Jariaya was somewhat similar he knew he would probably die but stay to die to get information. Also he was pretty fucking old.

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Um what I meant is Itachi is basically another character who had potential if it was for his health issues and his secret mission. So all this speculation on Itachi really doesn't help. Ya he was strong to a point and we'll never know his limits now that he is dead. In my view Jariaya was somewhat similar he knew he would probably die but stay to die to get information. Also he was pretty fucking old.

Itachi was good, but he is dead. He will be surpassed by both sasuke and naruto by the end of the series, thats pretty obvious..even if he is the stronger out of the 3 at the moment.
Naruto and sasuke will out-do the other a few more times b4 the series is over, but ultimately they will be equals. Whether one dies or not.. who knows.

Itachi was good, but he is dead. He will be surpassed by both sasuke and naruto by the end of the series, thats pretty obvious..even if he is the stronger out of the 3 at the moment.
Naruto and sasuke will out-do the other a few more times b4 the series is over, but ultimately they will be equals. Whether one dies or not.. who knows.

Here is my little problem again it's that you are assuming that Itachi is almost the strongest character in the manga. I mean ya he died and we didn't get to see much. Also he used Susanno which in my mind was something kishi did to give him a fitting ending. (but a little overboard) I mean I really can't see out of all the many characters that are in the manga that Itachi is on top. Nothing really supports that notion at all.

The characters that need to be surpassed atleast at the end are the hokages (especially the 4th), madara, (maybe dunno) Zetsu, the kyubbi, maybe 8 tails (dunno how he matches up now), kabuto/orochimaru fusion (could turn into a natsy force),and possibly danzo.

I think the major problem in the manga is that Orochimaru killed 2 kages (with help) and Itachi basically can bitch slap Orochimaru. If the kages weren't made to seem weak then people could get a better understanding of power. Cause at the end Naruto wants to be Hokage not be better than a dead guy (who we don't know exactly how strong he was).