To speak kindly with other countries and use his special gift that he has.... not

lol yeah, he would use that approach when Madara suddenly joins hands with Sasuke and Naruto, and they sing "I love you, you love me..."

Thanks for taking my clever allusion to the U.S. President and making it blatantly obvious.... you stole my thunder...

Anyways, I think we're going to see Naruto as a target for Danzo very soon.
._. I was more aiming for the Danzo is Tobi is Madara is Obito business

Danzou as Hokage has to be a gotcha by Kishi. I bet he gets shot down next chap. I don't see how Naruto could ever stand to be in the same room with him much less take orders from him. Think about how he talks to and treats "Granny" Tsunadae. He's all up in the Hokage's ass all day long. No way Danzou will put up with that shit. If Danzou does in fact become hokage then he will prolly try to put Naruto on lockdown in the village. Naruto will try leave if that happens. If he does leave the story could open big time.

All i can say is if we have to put up with Danzou being Hokage then we better get a big payoff when he fights somebody. I hope he unleashes some crazy sick jutsu and then still gets killed...

Danzou as Hokage has to be a gotcha by Kishi. I bet he gets shot down next chap. I don't see how Naruto could ever stand to be in the same room with him much less take orders from him. Think about how he talks to and treats "Granny" Tsunadae. He's all up in the Hokage's ass all day long. No way Danzou will put up with that shit. If Danzou does in fact become hokage then he will prolly try to put Naruto on lockdown in the village. Naruto will try leave if that happens. If he does leave the story could open big time.

All i can say is if we have to put up with Danzou being Hokage then we better get a big payoff when he fights somebody. I hope he unleashes some crazy sick jutsu and then still gets killed...

Totally! I wonder what element he'll have...Oh, and I have a prediction to make! I think Konohamaru and Co. are gonna be forced into one of those situations that Zabuza was forced into in the academy. Maybe it'll be a deathmatch between them. Just speculation, but the small character development of Konohamaru during the pain invasion may be foreshadowing...

Good job. /sarcasm

Naruto is going to go anbu once he becomes Hokage. Yeah. Konoha's trump card. I'd like to see how Danzou plans to send Naruto out in combat.

HEy I dont think that Danzou Will Include Naruto in ANBU
danzou does not want naruto to become famous or even more stronger as he is the only one threat to him in konoha now!

that madara being the fire lord theory isn't half bad better then the madara= this person theories... orochimaru did that with garras dad him kimi nd kabuto teamed up killed him quick nd impersonated them.

Danzou being Hokage is all part of the plan. Kishi wants us to hate Danzou, he wants us to dispise him. Making him Hokage will send us off the edge because we understand how unreasonable he is, and the obstancle that clouds Naruto's answer to the age old question.

This kind of suspense is required, even if it pisses us off. Hopefully, the reward pays off in the end, once Danzou is kicked off his high horse. We just have to hope Kishi delivers in an acceptable and reasonable manner (views on resonablilty may vary from person to person) but I hope the ending isn't just slopped together in an inefficient and unorderly fashion.

HEy I dont think that Danzou Will Include Naruto in ANBU
danzou does not want naruto to become famous or even more stronger as he is the only one threat to him in konoha now!

But if Danzou is working with and against Madara, he would want naruto to be able to protect the 9 tails and the village. Danzou like most evil, old leaders think they can always manipulate their subordinates for the rest of their lives and retain control of their "throne". Madara is a double crossing S.o.b. and Danzou knows it and so is he. Maybe. Sasuke failed at getting 8 tails Pain failed at 9. Madara had to go to plan B. Make Danzou Hokage and have him control Naruto and his movements until Killa B is captured and sealed. Also, didnt Madara say he needed someone to operate the statue or something? Someone please explain what he meant by needing another pawn to sync with something?

Also, didnt Madara say he needed someone to operate the statue or something? Someone please explain what he meant by needing another pawn to sync with something?

When Akatuski seals the Bijuu's spirt from the host then into the King of Hell Statue, a large amount of chakra and time is required I'm assuming. It usually takes a few days however, with such short members, the sync requires much more time. With only two members, its practically impossible. My guess is that Madara is going to recruit more members and or give out or search for more extraction rings (I'm assuming that's their power). My guess however, is that Madara is going to use one or two members from Falcon to accomplish the feat of extracting a bijuu from a host.

Nobody "killed" Sarutobi...

Listen to Ero-Sage he killed himself but was too weak to kill Orochimaru.
Poor man couldn't steal that soul. :(
He should have gone Lee and open a few gates.

Listen to Ero-Sage he killed himself but was too weak to kill Orochimaru.
Poor man couldn't steal that soul. :(
He should have gone Lee and open a few gates.

My assumption is that one has to be a taijutsu grand master to open more than 1, as only Kakashi has ever displayed any ability in it besides Lee and Gai and even then he opened ONE gate. It's a useful strategy but I think most would rather round out their overall combat abilities rather than rely on hit-or-miss sort of techniques like the gates that can kill you or rip your muscles from the bone.

I think Sarutobi was capable of it, but like you surmised, it may have killed him, perhaps even on the spot. From what I understand, the 3rd Hokage knew every single jutsu in Konoha (Knowing the 4th Hokage's Trump for example). My guess is thanks to his old age, his stamina is not what it use to be, therefore, him even daring to use the primary lotus would be perhaps, immediate suicide.

The 3rd Hokage was said to be feared because of his shadow clone jutsu, yet he was warned not to use it, due to his stamina not being up to par with his youth in the past. That could be a reason for him not using the lotus. But then again, this is placed on circumstance and has yet to be officiallly proven (and most likely will stay unproven) but its still something interesting to think about.

I think Sarutobi was capable of it, but like you surmised, it may have killed him, perhaps even on the spot. From what I understand, the 3rd Hokage knew every single jutsu in Konoha (Knowing the 4th Hokage's Trump for example). My guess is thanks to his old age, his stamina is not what it use to be, therefore, him even daring to use the primary lotus would be perhaps, immediate suicide.

The 3rd Hokage was said to be feared because of his shadow clone jutsu, yet he was warned not to use it, due to his stamina not being up to par with his youth in the past. That could be a reason for him not using the lotus. But then again, this is placed on circumstance and has yet to be officiallly proven (and most likely will stay unproven) but its still something interesting to think about.

I am not convinced that releasing one's gates is a jutsu as much as a power-up and one that is built up purely through physical training, this would explain why only Kakashi has done it besides those two and only one gate at that. I am sure Sarutobi knew about them but to me, releasing the gates is an ability that one has to work religiously for. This would be the logical explanation why people don't "gate-spam" as it takes years of murderous physical training to get it to the degree where it can make a difference and even then it's purely taijutsu.

Danzou being Hokage is all part of the plan. Kishi wants us to hate Danzou, he wants us to dispise him. Making him Hokage will send us off the edge because we understand how unreasonable he is, and the obstancle that clouds Naruto's answer to the age old question.

This kind of suspense is required, even if it pisses us off. Hopefully, the reward pays off in the end, once Danzou is kicked off his high horse. We just have to hope Kishi delivers in an acceptable and reasonable manner (views on resonablilty may vary from person to person) but I hope the ending isn't just slopped together in an inefficient and unorderly fashion.

During Naruto vs Pain, Kishi did came up with a good answer for Naruto, don't you think? An answer that regarded by many readers as a reasonable and acceptable wake-up call on Nagato behalf. So I guess, Kishi also got something up his sleeve as well on this Danzou thingy.

On other note, when Nagato revive everybody, does he revive everybody including those killed/hurt by someone else? I like to see Danzou's face if the messenger frog is also revived and now telling all about Danzou attempt to stop Naruto from coming back from Toad Mountain!

Obito is not Madara I was making a comparison compared to the hair style and the side Madara's sharingan is on.

I was pretty much pointing out how ridiculous it is that people are claiming Madara is Danzo. but now that I think about it...

When Danzo went to hanzo alone and made a agreement. There are only two options, Either Danzo is powerful as fuck, Or Is it Madara. Obito is completely out of the question.

but to make things perfectly clear. Just becuase Madara and Danzo look alike does not mean they are the same person. Becuase If anyone looks most like Madara it is obito.

i agree, because if everyone who looks similar was the same person then sage of six paths=madara, hey wait thats a good theory lol (joke)

Don't admit they have any credibility, these theories are like termites. Seriously, people STILL think Obito is Tobi even after the canon evidence and the DB (which Kishimoto writes himself). When people make crazy theories like this it's fine, but when people continue believing them AFTER contradictory evidence.... :eek:

yeah, those theories are termites, just like narusaku pics lol, couldnt resist sayin that

I posted a roughly translated version of thesixthhokages spoiler. Not very much info thats coherent but its enough to piece a little picture together. Have at it.

HEy I dont think that Danzou Will Include Naruto in ANBU
danzou does not want naruto to become famous or even more stronger as he is the only one threat to him in konoha now!

Naruto is two sides of the coin.

He stays in Konoha. They're fucked. - Akatsuki comes for him doing more damage.

He leaves Konoha. They're fucked. - Akatsuki or someone can capture him. Plus, they lost their own trump card.

Danzou side with powerful forces to get the things he want. He probably is going to convince Naruto and his ideas about making peace to make him the best kage on earth. Thus, leading Naruto down the wrong path. But before all of this can happen Sasuke will come and try to kill him.

Only the Sannin, Shikaku and Naruto are aware of Danzou. Not any else in the village see him as a bad guy, because he really didn't do nothing bad at all.

I am not convinced that releasing one's gates is a jutsu as much as a power-up and one that is built up purely through physical training, this would explain why only Kakashi has done it besides those two and only one gate at that. I am sure Sarutobi knew about them but to me, releasing the gates is an ability that one has to work religiously for. This would be the logical explanation why people don't "gate-spam" as it takes years of murderous physical training to get it to the degree where it can make a difference and even then it's purely taijutsu.

When the fuck did the bolded happen?

When the fuck did the bolded happen?

When Sasuke went to train with Kakashi during the chuunin exams I think, Kakashi was scaling that cliff and opened the first gate to pull himself back up one-handed.
edit, found:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/93/08/

k first i was making a prediction that danzo=madara...and what i think is enough foreshadowing not evidence to say why. Like the last thing that Jiraya tells tsunade...the love of his life...watch out for Danzo...now something big is up with him for jiraya to do this. But Kishi never gives evidence on events like this until the last minute...Ex. Danzo becoming 6th hokage...kinda random and outa nowhere...BUt this thread is called 451 predictions so lets stay a little closer to where we are right now...there is something in the chapter that every1 keeps forgetting about... Like who the hell are those three new ninja's who appeared in the manga?

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/450/11/

k first i was making a prediction that danzo=madara...and what i think is enough foreshadowing not evidence to say why. Like the last thing that Jiraya tells tsunade...the love of his life...watch out for Danzo...now something big is up with him for jiraya to do this. But Kishi never gives evidence on events like this until the last minute...Ex. Danzo becoming 6th hokage...kinda random and outa nowhere...BUt this thread is called 451 predictions so lets stay a little closer to where we are right now...there is something in the chapter that every1 keeps forgetting about... Like who the hell are those three new ninja's who appeared in the manga?

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/450/11/

Sent by the Raikage of the Cloud to obtain information on Sasuke, as Sasuke attacked and to their knowledge captured Killer Bee who happens to be the Raikage's brother.

I think Jiraiya just said that in case Tsunade forgot in the chaos over 'Akatsuki,' it didn't mean anything particular. Danzo's a militant leader, surely he would remind his friend/village leader about it.

Maybe but jiraiya must've gotten some info from pain about danzo to make it his last message to Tsunade...but idk... So....naruto knows that hinata loves him...but than in front of everyone sakura was the one to hug him...anyone besides me hoping for a catfight?

Maybe but jiraiya must've gotten some info from pain about danzo to make it his last message to Tsunade...but idk... So....naruto knows that hinata loves him...but than in front of everyone sakura was the one to hug him...anyone besides me hoping for a catfight?

Jiraiya told her before he left, how would he get information from Pain on Danzo?

I am hoping for a love triangle but I have a sneaking suspicison that Kishimoto has not decided on a couple yet as it just seems so against the NH we've seen for a while. He likes to screw with our heads. Hey, he give me a bit of hope that NaruSaku could win as unbelievably small as it currently appears lol.

k first i was making a prediction that danzo=madara...and what i think is enough foreshadowing not evidence to say why. Like the last thing that Jiraya tells tsunade...the love of his life...watch out for Danzo...now something big is up with him for jiraya to do this. But Kishi never gives evidence on events like this until the last minute...Ex. Danzo becoming 6th hokage...kinda random and outa nowhere...BUt this thread is called 451 predictions so lets stay a little closer to where we are right now...there is something in the chapter that every1 keeps forgetting about... Like who the hell are those three new ninja's who appeared in the manga?

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/450/11/

I dont mean any offense but do you read the manga?
those three ninjas were sent by the raikage, to inform konoha of the akatsuki attemtping to get killerbee and warn them that they may be coming for naruto.

I dont mean any offense but do you read the manga?
those three ninjas were sent by the raikage, to inform konoha of the akatsuki attemtping to get killerbee and warn them that they may be coming for naruto.

Yea...they didn't say that in the chapter i think so...i guess i missed something:confused:

NaruSaku all the way...hinata is like completely opposite of naruto and sakura and naruto look beast together...but this isn't the thread for that...When they said kisame is to capture killerbee,isn't that kinda outrageous...sasuke with hawk couldn't do it but kisame supposedly can? Is he that strong?

Yea...they didn't say that in the chapter i think so...i guess i missed something:confused:

NaruSaku all the way...hinata is like completely opposite of naruto and sakura and naruto look beast together...but this isn't the thread for that...When they said kisame is to capture killerbee,isn't that kinda outrageous...sasuke with hawk couldn't do it but kisame supposedly can? Is he that strong?

Well Kisame, sword forgot the name atm. Steals chakra. Thats great agaisnt a bijuu. bijuu is just a huge amount of chakra.

Plus he has a great defense Great fighting abilites and a absorbant amount of chakra.

The thing im not sure about is, when he steals the chakra does he get it to use, or is it just taken?

Well Kisame, sword forgot the name atm. Steals chakra. Thats great agaisnt a bijuu. bijuu is just a huge amount of chakra.

Plus he has a great defense Great fighting abilites and a absorbant amount of chakra.

The thing im not sure about is, when he steals the chakra does he get it to use, or is it just taken?

The name of Kisame's sword is Samehada.

We have only seen Kisame fighting against Guy but we dont know how powerfull he is. But he might be the same as killerbee, if Madara wants him to get killerbee he most be powerfull tbh.

I think that Kisame with get some help from someone somewhere that he knows

We have only seen Kisame fighting against Guy but we dont know how powerfull he is. But he might be the same as killerbee, if Madara wants him to get killerbee he most be powerfull tbh.

I think that Kisame with get some help from someone somewhere that he knows

When Itachi and Kisame were close to fighting J-man, Itachi said that between them both that it would only end in a stale mate. So Kisame is powerful but not as much as our great Sannin.

After reading the interview with the writer of the series, I have a thus far unspoken opinion on what will happen after Naruto 450:

I should preface this by saying that I have no solid evidence that points to Danzo's true identity. He has remained as mysterious as Obito and Madara and I'm convinced that all of the hinting that is going in the comic as to his true identity exists just to confuse the audience to preserve the suspense of the story. Maybe he's just an old dude? Maybe He's Madara pulling more strings? Maybe it's Obito, back with a vengeance for the comrades that left him to die (see, that's just unlikely... he told them to leave)?

I, for one, believe that the author intends to show us his opinion on the nature of evil. I think he wants us to all believe that Danzo would be horrible leader, but I think that the village does need a leader like him at the moment. Sure, he killed a frog to keep Naruto out of the village. I eat frogs! Anyways, Naruto very often turns into a maniacal fox and destroys everything around him! Plus, Danzo thinks he would be a better leader, I'm sure. How shocking will it be when he really does make the village safer by having Naruto leave and having Akatsuki immediately hunted down? If he had succeeded in killing Nagato earlier, maybe Konoha would be safe. If he had his way and had Naruto removed from the village, maybe Pain would never have come and obliterated it. He will become Hokage in my opinion. The author has stated that he does not want this to be a feel good narrative, rather a story about bonds and how evil is never so straightforward. Maybe Naruto's mother was the 9 tailed jinchuriki that obliterated her own village after a sharingan user took it over within her?

I just think we're all looking for twists in the wrong places.

But, that's just my opinion, and I'm rarely right about this sort of thing. Anyways, everything on this board looked too repetitive so I thought I'd throw out my opinion for the sake of open-mindedness. Enjoy tearing that up kiddos, I won't be back for a while.

There are a few reasons why I deny Danzou and Madara being the same person.

Reason 1: Madara sent Pain off to capture Naruto. Danzou decided to hide Naruto away at Myobokuzan, to keep him contained and away from Akatuski's hands. Why would Madara hide Naruto from Pain, if Madara himself ordered Pain to go to Konoha?

Reason 2: Madara has his right eye exposed while Danzou has his left eye exposed. What's the purpose? Madara could easily withdraw the sharingan, why need to cover up his right eye when it could appear to be a normal looking eye?

Reason 3: Danzou wanted Sasuke assasinated because he feared that Orochimaru would gain control and destroy the village. Why would Madara kill Sasuke if he is such a precious tool? And even if Orochimaru gained control of Sasuke and destroyed the village, that would fall in line with Madara's hatred for Konoha, why stop it, like Danzou did if they were indeed the same person?

There are a few reasons why I deny Danzou and Madara being the same person.

Reason 1: Madara sent Pain off to capture Naruto. Danzou decided to hide Naruto away at Myobokuzan, to keep him contained and away from Akatuski's hands. Why would Madara hide Naruto from Pain, if Madara himself ordered Pain to go to Konoha?

Reason 2: Madara has his right eye exposed while Danzou has his left eye exposed. What's the purpose? Madara could easily withdraw the sharingan, why need to cover up his right eye when it could appear to be a normal looking eye?

Reason 3: Danzou wanted Sasuke assasinated because he feared that Orochimaru would gain control and destroy the village. Why would Madara kill Sasuke if he is such a precious tool? And even if Orochimaru gained control of Sasuke and destroyed the village, that would fall in line with Madara's hatred for Konoha, why stop it, like Danzou did if they were indeed the same person?

Thank you, now the idiots can learn that:
Madara is not danzo
Madara is not obito.

There is another thing people fail to realize. If Madara is indeed Danzou, that means Madara set Sasuke up to fight himself... Why go through the trouble of saving Sasuke from dying, just so that he could kill him later, by pinning his new found tool against himself?

Its just strange...

Madara is Tobi!

This is a setup, Tobi is the real personality and is completely off his knockers. Batshit bonkers insane, he is going to sacrifice himself through Sasuke on an altar dedicated to his sempai...and Naruto is going to get some from the particularly adept chicks in Konoha crater on the very altar afterwards...

Seriously they are not the same.

There is another thing people fail to realize. If Madara is indeed Danzou, that means Madara set Sasuke up to fight himself... Why go through the trouble of saving Sasuke from dying, just so that he could kill him later, by pinning his new found tool against himself?

Its just strange...

I completely and utterly agree with what you said. Why would he(Madara) save him (Saskuke) to send him to fight himself (Madara). This is what I been saying all this time. Madara and Danzou are not the same person.

I think Madara has other Akakaski members or he wants to use Saskuke and his team for the bonding of the Gedo.

Also I don't think the Hokage decision is quite done, I think the elders are going to object to something, afterall Sarutobi was their friend and teammate.

I completely and utterly agree with what you said. Why would he(Madara) save him (Saskuke) to send him to fight himself (Madara). This is what I been saying all this time. Madara and Danzou are not the same person.

I think Madara has other Akakaski members or he wants to use Saskuke and his team for the bonding of the Gedo.

Also I don't think the Hokage decision is quite done, I think the elders are going to object to something, afterall Sarutobi was their friend and teammate.

That's gotta be the worst reason to disagree. Why? For the story to go as Kishi plans. We dont know why about alot of things so we guess, assume and make theories and predictions. But I can give u a reason Why madara might do that.

1, Knowing Sasuke cannot beat beat Madara/Danzou, Madara may send him there at the very least to make him lose more of his vision with his new toy, MS, forcing Sasuke to take Itachi's eyes and feel so low for being defeated by an "old, cripple man." More hatred. Danzou needs that to make him look good and respected for whatever his talents or specialty may be. In the beginning anyway.
2. Madara wants Sasuke to hate Konoha like he does. Why not send him on Danzou? U think Madara was gonna really let Pain blow up the world once he had all 9 Buuji? Sasuke comes to Konoha in Akatsuki cloaks, now Konoha hates him, and with Danzou, as Hokage, sends shinobi after Sasuke. Itachi was great because he had to fight for his and his families, and his comerades and villagers lives everday of his life for years straight, at a young age. Sasuke needs it and Naruto needs it to be on that same necessary experience level/common shinobi knowledge,as all the shinobis were on before naruto's generation. If they plan to truly be great and beat madara that is. Madara wants war and for Sasuke to hate Konoha and Danzou wants war and to supposedly try to kill Sasuke, but definitely having the Konoha shinobi's mission to kill Uchiha Sasuke at all costs even if he knows Sasuke will live, just like he did groewing up in worse conditions. Long 2. I could have just said that sending Sasuke to Konoha would just cause a chain reaction of Sasuke feeling like he truly, really has "no place to return". Both Daznou and madara want that. Why didnt i just say that?
3. There's a 3? Yep. 3. Either i forgot it or there never was a 3

There are a few reasons why I deny Danzou and Madara being the same person.

Reason 1: Madara sent Pain off to capture Naruto. Danzou decided to hide Naruto away at Myobokuzan, to keep him contained and away from Akatuski's hands. Why would Madara hide Naruto from Pain, if Madara himself ordered Pain to go to Konoha?

Reason 2: Madara has his right eye exposed while Danzou has his left eye exposed. What's the purpose? Madara could easily withdraw the sharingan, why need to cover up his right eye when it could appear to be a normal looking eye?

Reason 3: Danzou wanted Sasuke assasinated because he feared that Orochimaru would gain control and destroy the village. Why would Madara kill Sasuke if he is such a precious tool? And even if Orochimaru gained control of Sasuke and destroyed the village, that would fall in line with Madara's hatred for Konoha, why stop it, like Danzou did if they were indeed the same person?

Its a shame how you and others have to keep posting this stuff over and over and over again.

We should make this a pop up that you must read before entering the site...haha

isn't their a thread that discusses the madara /obito/danzou theorie
it's a old discusionwichr resulted in
-madara is not danzou
-danzou is not madara
-madara is not obito
-obito is not madara

conclusion; madara is madara

There are a few reasons why I deny Danzou and Madara being the same person.

Reason 1: Madara sent Pain off to capture Naruto. Danzou decided to hide Naruto away at Myobokuzan, to keep him contained and away from Akatuski's hands. Why would Madara hide Naruto from Pain, if Madara himself ordered Pain to go to Konoha?

Reason 2: Madara has his right eye exposed while Danzou has his left eye exposed. What's the purpose? Madara could easily withdraw the sharingan, why need to cover up his right eye when it could appear to be a normal looking eye?

Reason 3: Danzou wanted Sasuke assasinated because he feared that Orochimaru would gain control and destroy the village. Why would Madara kill Sasuke if he is such a precious tool? And even if Orochimaru gained control of Sasuke and destroyed the village, that would fall in line with Madara's hatred for Konoha, why stop it, like Danzou did if they were indeed the same person?

1. Even Minato said madara is manipulating Pain by using his hatred against Konoha against him. If Naruto was there when Pain arrived, Negato would not have destroyed the entire village and taken all those live. That caused Tsunade to give everything she had, and likey left in a condition to never be a shinobi again, maybe just a healer. Madara gets Konoha destroyed and/or severely weakened and Danzou gets Hokage seat. Madara using his Negato's Pain. Danzou was a big part of his 2nd Pain. Danzou/ madara just knew that killing the toad would buy him a little more time for Negato to cause major destruction. Both of their potential plans were still going according to plan. Naruto fucked up the plans. Tsunade uses all her chakra and Pain destroying the village, calling for an immediate Lord meeting.ii I may be wrong but i though Danzou said he cannot have Naruto fighting pain just yet, or something like that. I may be wrong. Still

2. For reasons Kishi has not revealed. Some things have to happen a certain way and at certain times for the story to play out as planned. For suspense

3. Plot, and so not to reveal too much since people are already speculating enough. Same with #2. Also, Madara seems to be overly confident in Sasuke and impressed with his fights against Deidara and Itachi. Also, didnt madara already tell Sasuke his squad couldnt do it alone? Sasuke's rash behavior may not have been part of madara's plan. Maybe madara is headed hold off Sasuke for while until Danzou has taken care of something first, or to try to detour Sasuke somehow. honestly we gotta just wait and see.

Well i still believe that madara might be danzo but i aint gonna spam this thread to prove to u guys cuz it doesn't matter to me what u think... no offence. BUt if Danzo wasn't madara and kishi twisted it up to make danzo the final villain that would be sooooo funny!!!! And lastly i like danzo...He's like naruto...he wants to be hokage...he wants EVENTUAL peace in the ninja world...just the ways of getting what they want is different...Danzo wants konoha to become all powerful and shit and naruto doesnt have a clue what to do...
I just have a question to all you madara is not danzo believers...what if madara is going blind and he needs sasuke's eyes...and he wants sasuke to get these new eyes so he can take em...just a stray thought...sorry if i wasted time jw...

Great point TSO!!! Let me just say something ...
-Madara is Madara, you know the background story on him, he never had to hide his true identity until he left akatsuki (he later rejoined akatsuki as Tobi).
-Danzo is Danzo ... Sarutobi knew him, he even fought with Danzo (his not some new guy in the manga)
-Obito is Obito, he died while trying to rescue Rin.
Why can't people just accept carracters the way they are given in the Manga.

Well i still believe that madara might be danzo but i aint gonna spam this thread to prove to u guys cuz it doesn't matter to me what u think... no offence. BUt if Danzo wasn't madara and kishi twisted it up to make danzo the final villain that would be sooooo funny!!!! And lastly i like danzo...He's like naruto...he wants to be hokage...he wants EVENTUAL peace in the ninja world...just the ways of getting what they want is different...Danzo wants konoha to become all powerful and shit and naruto doesnt have a clue what to do...
I just have a question to all you madara is not danzo believers...what if madara is going blind and he needs sasuke's eyes...and he wants sasuke to get these new eyes so he can take em...just a stray thought...sorry if i wasted time jw...
oh you did waste my time with that post of yours,
nb: read the manga during sasuke vs itachi arc about ems then come back and post.

Great point TSO!!! Let me just say something ...
-Madara is Madara, you know the background story on him, he never had to hide his true identity until he left akatsuki (he later rejoined akatsuki as Tobi).
-Danzou is Danzou ... Sarutobi knew him, he even fought with Danzou (his not some new guy in the manga)
-Obito is Obito, he died while trying to rescue Rin.
Why can't people just accept carracters the way they are given in the Manga.

Because things are not always as they appear. Madara was killed by the 1st and should be dead even if he was still alive. Orochumaru put his soul in other bodies. We know nothing about Danzou and only saw him when he was already becoming an old man and he was giving birth to the Pain that we knew before Naruto brought him back. Mystery still lies in madara, uchiha, and Danzou and their origins and/or connections. If people just accepted characters the way they were given when there were other potential clues and possibilities, people would remain ignorant and inside the box where many answers cannot be fond. As long as there is still mystery there, why not?

yea...im kinda lazy right now so ill do that later... i personally think that danzo is gonna be a decent hokage...Naruto isn't fricken ready yet...Okay so naruto fricken killed pain...official status of supa man has been achieved but...is he ready? can he handle all the responsibilities of hokage...protecting the village check...battle strategies...umm....which teams to send on which missions...umm...overlooking ALL the ninja in Konoha...umm...and a bunch of other things...Naruto could be now like the guardian of konoha like j-man was sorta...traveler who saves konoha when needs to...but hokage?

Tobi was to fool the disposable members of the Akatsuki into working for Pein whom they feared, (though I don't understand Itachi not knowing or caring whom Tobi was, they seemed fine with Itachi doing his own thing unless he was needed. Possibly Pein/Madara had some sort of agreement to allow the growth of Sasuke) Madara has shown that its either hard or impossible for him to be Danzou. When hiding underground with Root, if Madara was Danzou, Zetsu wouldn't have to tell him about the fight, he would've known already, plus the spoilers has Danzou meeting with the higher ups deciding the fate of the Hokage title, while Madara's supposedly ordering Kisame, and team Hawk around. A man can't be in 2 places at the same time (even with a space time jutsu, when'd he change clothes or wrap up the sharingan with tape?) I always wondered what jutsu in the past and who dogged him though, Danzou is still tore up; Sandamine?

Well, atleast there's some hope now - I'm actually convinced of it - that Danzo wont be the next Hokage, since the daimyo said "you will be the 6th Hokage" and not "you are the 6th Hokage".
I agree. Kishi usually does things like this. Make you think one thing, force you to spend 1 week with your mind going crazy, and then does another. He's like that.

Because things are not always as they appear. Madara was killed by the 1st and should be dead even if he was still alive. Orochumaru put his soul in other bodies. We know nothing about Danzou and only saw him when he was already becoming an old man and he was giving birth to the Pain that we knew before Naruto brought him back. Mystery still lies in madara, uchiha, and Danzou and their origins and/or connections. If people just accepted characters the way they were given when there were other potential clues and possibilities, people would remain ignorant and inside the box where many answers cannot be fond. As long as there is still mystery there, why not?
I see where you're getting at, and I agree to a certain level ... I mean sure there is alot to find out about Madara and Danzou and about their origins and connections but let's not discuss their identities. I am not saying that Madara could not have killed Danzo to take his shape(although i still believe he didn't). I am only saying that Danzo and Madara are two separate characters. Do we at least agree on that ?

I see where you're getting at, and I agree to a certain level ... I mean sure there is alot to find out about Madara and Danzou and about their origins and connections but let's not discuss their identities. I am not saying that Madara could not have killed Danzo and take his shape. I am only saying that Danzo and Madara are two separate characters. Do we at least agree on that ?

No we dont agree on that. I dont believe one thing much more than the next to even agree with anything except that anything is a possibility. Sometimes i defend obito/madara, danzou/madara, Danzou/Obito/Madara. I just think and post possibilities or why nothing can be 100% sure either way. I need to see and know more to take a firm stance on truly believing anything. Now i just see possibilities for a lot of things

But i dont think the face under the mask and Danzou's face are the same face

No we dont agree on that. I dont believe one thing much more than the next to even agree with anything except that anything is a possibility. Sometimes i defend obito/madara, danzou/madara, Danzou/Obito/Madara. I just think and post possibilities or why nothing can be 100% sure either way. I need to see and know more to take a firm stance on truly believing anything. Now i just see possibilities for a lot of things

But i dont think the face under the mask and Danzou's face are the same face

I will just ask you this: can Tsunade actually be Naruto ? ( the point of the question is to show you that you can be 100% sure of some things in the manga :)) ). Sure Kishi could make Naruto be Tsunade but he would fuck up the manga. (therefore he won't)

The next chapter will probably be all dialogue, with Shikaku arguing over Danzo's promotion and Danzo retorting. a.k.a filler

I will just ask you this: can Tsunade actually be Naruto ? ( the point of the question is to show you that you can be 100% sure of some things in the manga :)) ). Sure Kishi could make Naruto be Tsunade but he would fuck up the manga. (therefore he won't)

That's why i said where something is not explained. We dont know how madara is alive and still a shinobi, or where the hell Danzou came from and/or how he got his position in Konoha, or why Madara attacked with 9 tails after all those years of being alive, shortly after Oito died. We dont know what's up with Madara's or Danzou's hidden eye and bandages, and Madara's right arm that blocks swords. We know very little about them, but we know Tsunade's origins and Naruto's. Tsunade being naruto was a horrible example but i saw what u meant. See what i mean?

The next chapter will probably be all dialogue, with Shikaku arguing over Danzo's promotion and Danzo retorting. a.k.a filler

That's not what filler means.

It is possible for Madara to be Danzo given the description you gave, but it could be just another red heiring that Kishi likes so much. Remember when so many people were convinced that The Akatsuki leader was the 4th hokage, and it just turned out to be a random villain? Could be something like that.

fillers for manga are basically pointless, long drawn out dialogue where nothing really happens.

Filler is what is used in an manga based anime, like Naruto, where the anime director creates stories outside the actual storyline so that the anime doesn't catch up to the manga. Your description doesn't match up and its not always bad for a little downtime inbetween battles to exist so that an actualy plot can be developed.

It is possible for Madara to be Danzo given the description you gave, but it could be just another red heiring that Kishi likes so much. Remember when so many people were convinced that The Akatsuki leader was the 4th hokage, and it just turned out to be a random villain? Could be something like that.

Could be. Yeah i remember that idiotic theory. They didnt really look that much alike and there were no "clues/hints" at any connections. Just some random theory with only a slightly similar look to support anything. another bad example. Remember when people didnt believe Naruto was the son, or even related to the 4th Hokage? Remember when everyone since the 1st Hokage was alive thought Madara died that day?

Filler is what is used in an manga based anime, like Naruto, where the anime director creates stories outside the actual storyline so that the anime doesn't catch up to the manga. Your description doesn't match up and its not always bad for a little downtime inbetween battles to exist so that an actualy plot can be developed.
There are such things as filler chapters in manga. Those are the chapters where there is an overuse in dialogue (kinda like when Madara was talking with Sasuke) and it could go faster.

There are such things as filler chapters in manga. Those are the chapters where there is an overuse in dialogue (kinda like when Madara was talking with Sasuke) and it could go faster.

Not filler...

Not filler...
lol this feels like a pointless conflict. Let's move on to something else.

lol this feels like a pointless conflict. Let's move on to something else.

I apologize for being correct.

Just took a gander at the spoiler thread, that should prove to all those Danzo=Madara believers that they are wrong.

Nothing has been confirmed yet.

The last one posted by Six is at least believable.

Nothing has been confirmed yet.

The last one posted by Six is at least believable.

It does seem logical because Madara is short on members to perform the ritual for the statue. I think its an interesting way to re-introduce Kabuchimaru.

Nothing has been confirmed yet.

The last one posted by Six is at least believable.

Yeah, it's being disputed. I honestly think it's believable but there's something about it that makes me feel "iffy." I wanted to find a translation of the one posted by mangaspoiler.com, but no one has done it yet. So this is the only one I've found actually translated, it might be right, but we'll see. A more reliable source is needed IMO.

all the spoilers seem fake right now.. especially the one with madara looking for kabuto he said he needed a link to the gedo mazo nd how the hell would he know that kabuto took oro within himself lol.

all the spoilers seem fake right now.. especially the one with madara looking for kabuto he said he needed a link to the gedo mazo nd how the hell would he know that kabuto took oro within himself lol.

Maybe information received from Zetsu. He seems to be everywhere at the right time.

Maybe information received from Zetsu. He seems to be everywhere at the right time.

even if which i doubt, he needs a guy to sync with the gedo mazo wtf does kabuto even know about this summoining sealing shit, guy was sasori's bitch in akatsuki sent to spy on oro he knows nothing. he has never even seen sasori's true self...

you dont have to know how to summon to synchronize with gedo meza,
all you have to do is just concentrate your chakra and synchronize with gedo in sealing the bijuu,like thats what hidan and kakuzu were doing while under the rain after killing asuma.

even if which i doubt, he needs a guy to sync with the gedo mazo wtf does kabuto even know about this summoining sealing shit, guy was sasori's bitch in akatsuki sent to spy on oro he knows nothing. he has never even seen sasori's true self...

Since Orochimaru is inside Kabuto he can probably do all the things that Oro could do which is why Madara is wanting to seek him. Oro is probably the only other guy that is capable of being able to sync with the gedo mazo.

I've been waiting for Kabuto to return... He's the longest standing villain in the manga right now. Sounds kind of fake though

I've been waiting for Kabuto to return... He's the longest standing villain in the manga right now. Sounds kind of fake though

It is fake apparently, sorry guys I sincerely apologize, if this person is correct, the "real" nja took a day off (lazy bastard).

"this is the real "nja" but he told himself that he wont be posting spoilers today becouse he needs to rest....
○ 461 :んじゃ ◆bvOTKk1mXg :2009/06/09(火) 16:27:21 ID:4BdAKN+e0"
http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1385986#post1385986

That's gotta be the worst reason to disagree. Why? For the story to go as Kishi plans. We dont know why about alot of things so we guess, assume and make theories and predictions. But I can give u a reason Why madara might do that.

1, Knowing Sasuke cannot beat beat Madara/Danzou, Madara may send him there at the very least to make him lose more of his vision with his new toy, MS, forcing Sasuke to take Itachi's eyes and feel so low for being defeated by an "old, cripple man." More hatred. Danzou needs that to make him look good and respected for whatever his talents or specialty may be. In the beginning anyway.
2. Madara wants Sasuke to hate Konoha like he does. Why not send him on Danzou? U think Madara was gonna really let Pain blow up the world once he had all 9 Buuji? Sasuke comes to Konoha in Akatsuki cloaks, now Konoha hates him, and with Danzou, as Hokage, sends shinobi after Sasuke. Itachi was great because he had to fight for his and his families, and his comerades and villagers lives everday of his life for years straight, at a young age. Sasuke needs it and Naruto needs it to be on that same necessary experience level/common shinobi knowledge,as all the shinobis were on before naruto's generation. If they plan to truly be great and beat madara that is. Madara wants war and for Sasuke to hate Konoha and Danzou wants war and to supposedly try to kill Sasuke, but definitely having the Konoha shinobi's mission to kill Uchiha Sasuke at all costs even if he knows Sasuke will live, just like he did groewing up in worse conditions. Long 2. I could have just said that sending Sasuke to Konoha would just cause a chain reaction of Sasuke feeling like he truly, really has "no place to return". Both Daznou and madara want that. Why didnt i just say that?
3. There's a 3? Yep. 3. Either i forgot it or there never was a 3

Damn man! hahah Those were reason I felt that could lead to Danzou not being Madara. Just like you feel the reasons you post saying he could be. I know we have many questions to be answered, like how is Madar also possible the former Mizukage, and how he recruited Nagato and Konan to fall under his manipulation, and how he is still alive after so many years. So in the end anything is possible. I know one of my crazy theories I like to follow is that this Madara could actually be Madara's younger brother using one of Madara's eyes left over from his battle with Hashirama Senju. Ooooooo Anythings possible!??! I do agree with the part with maybe trying to trick and manipulate Saskue into taking Itachi's eyes.

It is possible for Madara to be Danzo given the description you gave, but it could be just another red heiring that Kishi likes so much. Remember when so many people were convinced that The Akatsuki leader was the 4th hokage, and it just turned out to be a random villain? Could be something like that.

I was thinking the same thing all along during this Danzou is Madara argument, That's also why I'll accept Madara and Danzou as the same person only if its confirmed in the Manga, otherwise its just fun to predict and guess, and speculate!

And maybe Kishimoto is Obito...

Anyways, as spoilers are rather late it seems to me anyways, anyone else thinking that Naruto is forced to leave to find Killer Bee? So Sasuke has a relatively free ride to take out Danzo? I hope not but Lady Circumstance is a Sasuke fangirl...

I don't think Naruto knows anything about Killerbee. Why does he need to look for him?

I don't think Naruto knows anything about Killerbee. Why does he need to look for him?

Team Samui's in Konoha and he could think that if he finds Killer Bee, he finds Sasuke. Plus, as I said, Lady Circumstance is in love with our red-eyed anti-hero.

Team Samui's in Konoha and he could think that if he finds Killer Bee, he finds Sasuke. Plus, as I said, Lady Circumstance is in love with our red-eyed anti-hero.

I'm surprised we haven't seen Konohamaru talking to Naruto yet.

I'm surprised we haven't seen Konohamaru talking to Naruto yet.

Considering Hinata and Naruto haven't spoken, I am not surpsied at all. In fact, I am not even sure what Kishimoto's doing, lol. Though the Danzo twist was a shocking development, I see much needed Sai and Sakura development.

Things should get interesting now that Team Samui is on the hunt for Sausages. I would like to know about their abilities and if they are capable of doing any kind of damage to Team Hawk.

Kakashi

that spoiler you posted is TSO's prediction.

Team Samui will hopefully bring a bit of freshness to the scene, hoping they face off with Team Hawk at some point, or a get some decent face time.

Kakashi

that spoiler you posted is TSO's prediction.

Where was it posted, I didn't see it in the spoiler thread?

Edit: I took it off, but I still can't find where TSO made his prediction otherwise I wouldn't have posted it.

Yeah the cloud ninja are a good fresh slip in there with all our attention focused on Naruto fighting off pain the leaf villages fight for survival and Danzou's power move. Its a good break from the tension or seriousness of the circumstances.
I kinda get where some of you saying that Naruto and some others would want to go out after Saskue with the cloud ninja, in hopes of stopping the extraction of the eight tails. And obviously a clue to Saskue's whereabouts. I really want the Kage summit, I want to see who are the othe Kage's and see more ninja's from those lands and see if Madar himself is in control of other smaller lands like the rain was under
Pain and Akaskuki.

So...the spoilers finally come out......so, do you guys thinks That naruto and others will accept the mission given by the Sixth Hokage.

The situation become more complicated,for sure Naruto against Danzo because Naruto want Saskue to come back to his home Konaha in peaceful way,Naruto will hear about Danzo was against the 3'rd and he will remember Nagato story about Danzo & Hanzo ambush
I predict Saskue the one who will kill Danzo (I hope the Elders and the whole council too)

Just sayiing, good luck killing Sasuke, if naruto gets the mission he will never do it

sasuke will kill danzou and then the elders
then we might get sasuke vs konoha or any other powerfull guy

I knew it would come to that! Danzou's one of the leaders who ordered the extinction of the Uchiha clan by Itachi. So of course he would want to eliminate what he considers a threat to his new title. And it's now even more difficult for Naruto to save Sasuke now that every shinobi is ordered to kill him. So I believe the arc will finally put to rest all of the dark deeds that the konoha elders have done those years ago, the breaking of rules and the current system of the shinobi and by the end of the arc we'll see Sasuke come back and Danzou paying for his crimes!

Ah snap, shit is going to hit the fan now lol.

Can't wait to see Naruto's response to that, get ready for some confrontation.

Inari and Tazuna, what a blast from the past lol.

Edit: Looks like Yamato makes a big structure and almost poops in his pants.

Ah snap, shit is going to hit the fan now lol.

Can't wait to see Naruto's response to that, get ready for some confrontation.

This is going to be Naruto's first true test. Now that the "6th Hokagay" has given the order to kill Sasuke, it'll be up to Naruto to choose the right path. And choosing to save Sasuke without killing him will be in defiance of the current shinobi way. And just like how Kakashi's father was disgraced because he chose to protect his friends instead of completing the mission, Naruto will have to go through the same thing. Which will now make the people of Konoha to choose which side they are truly on. The side of Danzou and the current shinobi way or Naruto and his belief that an age will come when people truly understand one another. And I'm sure the rest of the Konoha 11 along with other ninja like Kakashi, Yamato, etc. will back up Naruto in his beliefs because the all have faith in him. As Shikamaru stated to his father "Whenever I'm with Naruto, I feel like I can walk with him whatever path he chooses."

So I guess everything about the Akatsuki sending Kisame to capture Killerbee, splitting up team Hawk, and sending Sasuke to Konoha was crap. There has been a lot of spoilers of the Akatsuki, but all wrong to date. I wonder whats actually going on in Kishi's head about their direction, and what they will actually do since they have no one to summon the bijuu monster thingy. I knew Kabuto joining the Akatsuki was way too far fetched.

When did kabuto join akatsuki? Chapter? I know for sure I didnt see that.
Can you provide the chapter and page please.

now its starting to get interesting haha kill sasuke danzo's first orders are epic maybe he won't be such a bad kage after all...


I can def see them accepting this mission its gonna be epic, sasuke vs naruto should he take it or maybe if he doesn't someone else will sasuke will kill em then naruto will realize what itachi told him..

lol from what im seeing i thought danzo will do something against naruto first.. or something but ofcus this is a spoiler not yet confirmed haha

now its starting to get interesting haha kill sasuke danzo's first orders are epic maybe he won't be such a bad kage after all...


I can def see them accepting this mission its gonna be epic, sasuke vs naruto should he take it or maybe if he doesn't someone else will sasuke will kill em then naruto will realize what itachi told him..

It has to be Naruto. Knowing him, he wouldn't allow anyone to take on the mission of killing Sasuke. Naruto already knows that Sasuke will attack the village and when that happens, the power that Itachi gave Naruto will awaken. I think it'll come once Sasuke activates his MS as it would be meant for him. And as I said before, the time will come when the people of konoha will have to choose which side they are truly on.

Oh shit. AHAHHAHA!! Kill Sasuke. Konoha and Hidden Cloud wants Sasuke dead now. Awesome.

Like Danzou said in the spoiler: I knew this day would come.

Of course. Sasuke would steam roll everyone in the village except Naruto or someone who's stronger than Naruto. Lee, Neji, Kiba, Shika would get owned by MS jutsus.

Naruto or Danzou can only stand up against him.

@AnbuKakashi - I believe that was a fake spoiler.

i don't know if its just me but there wasn't much surprise when everyone found out that danzo was 6th hokage...but ide appreciate it if someone proved me wrong...btw i like how danzo sends him on a mission like a second after he beats pain...not really appreciative right?

Oh shit. AHAHHAHA!! Kill Sasuke. Konoha and Hidden Cloud wants Sasuke dead now. Awesome.

Like Danzou said in the spoiler: I knew this day would come.

Of course. Sasuke would steam roll everyone in the village except Naruto or someone who's stronger than Naruto. Lee, Neji, Kiba, Shika would get owned by MS jutsus.

Naruto or Danzou can only stand up against him.

@AnbuKakashi - I believe that was a fake spoiler.

Yea it was fake, I never read anything about Kabuto joining akatsuki lol. Thanks for verification XD

i don't know if its just me but there wasn't much surprise when everyone found out that danzo was 6th hokage...but ide appreciate it if someone proved me wrong...btw i like how danzo sends him on a mission like a second after he beats pain...not really appreciative right?

Considering everything that has happened. Danzo had the choice of keeping everyone at bay meaning they would have less missions and make less money for the village, of he could send almost everyone out and attempt to eliminate all threats to the village.

Again, I stated this a million times, Danzo is exactly like Emperor Palpatine.
the jedi's started to catch on to palpatine but by then it was to late.

Just like Sai, Kakashi, Naruto, Sakura, and Tsunade were catchin onto Danzo evil scheme.

i really wanna see hinata sakura and naruto all be in one room...soo many possibilities of what might happen...

Idd Yelloflash. It is going to be alittle bit weird now between those 3, and the same with naruto and Kakashi, because Kakashi can tell so many stories about the 4. hokage. I will like to hear more about him tbh.

sorry to be a pein , but can i have the spoiler link ?

sorry to be a pein , but can i have the spoiler link ?

http://naruto-spoilers.blogspot.com/

o ok , its there , i feel like a fool now lol , thanx

OH YEA!!!! Naruto's gonna be pissed off now that he knows who his dad is and that no one told him all these years...

o ok , its there , i feel like a fool now lol , thanx

Np,
@ yello flash ya I agree naruto is gonna be pissed.
No one told him but they all knew. or maybe only The third knew? Now tht I think about it I think onlu the third knew and then he died. so the tale died with him.

The spoilers really don't say a lot this week, I mean Sasuke is ordered killed by Danzo and everyone's shocked he's the Hokage. Surely more happens than what has been written...

The order has been given.

Interesting to see who does what?

Will there be any backlash?

What will the Konaha 11 do?

Civil War, with Naruto and Danzou leading both sides?

Good way to start this new arc off.

no kakashi knew...tsunade knew...pretty sure yamato knew too that minato was naruto's dad...but yea this is gonna be the beginning of a good arc but the ending of the last arc was kinda slow... so i hope kishi jumps into this one

I like the fact that this new arc we are entering there will be more content to chew on as far as dialog is concerned. I do like me a good story with an interesting plot.

I don't know if anyone noticed in one of the spoiler pics but isn't that the bridge builder with the little boy from part 1? Guess they either was in the village when Pein/Nagato attacked or just arriving. Maybe he's put in charge with Konoha's reconstruction or something.

I don't know if anyone noticed in one of the spoiler pics but isn't that the bridge builder with the little boy from part 1? Guess they either was in the village when Pein/Nagato attacked or just arriving. Maybe he's put in charge with Konoha's reconstruction or something.

Yeah, I was thinking about that the first time I saw the pic but I wasn't too sure. He might be though.

^ Yeah everyone noticed and there's something about Naruto "being deceived." Anyways, I see this arc being predictable as hell: Naruto rejects Danzo's orders, finds Sasuke, Sasuke explains everything to him, they have a yaoi kiss for the fangirls (hopefully this doesn't actually happen) and then they take down Danzo together.

Yeah but there's still the Raikage to worry about as he thinks that Killer Bee has been captured/killed by Sasuke and that it's reported that he's now part of Akatsuki. Which is why Danzou gave the order to kill Sasuke.

Yeah but there's still the Raikage to worry about as he thinks that Killer Bee has been captured/killed by Sasuke and that it's reported that he's now part of Akatsuki. Which is why Danzou gave the order to kill Sasuke.

Well that and Sasuke has been the most unloyal Konoha shinobi since Orochimaru.

I am praying Kishimoto gives Naruto a victory over Sasuke for once, this is just getting lame. Naruto can defeat the #2 of 'Akatsuku' so logically Sasuke'd be screwed at his current level.

Naruto's still weak against genjutsu but who knows maybe Sage Mode can snap him out of it O.o

Naruto's still weak against genjutsu but who knows maybe Sage Mode can snap him out of it O.o

And Naruto could break Sasuke in half with his Frog Kata's, your point? Genjutsu is an advantage Sasuke has sure, but I fail to see why this disadvantage negates all those Sasuke has....

Well that and Sasuke has been the most unloyal Konoha shinobi since Orochimaru.

I am praying Kishimoto gives Naruto a victory over Sasuke for once, this is just getting lame. Naruto can defeat the #2 of 'Akatsuku' so logically Sasuke'd be screwed at his current level.

Naturally however, you know Kishi is going to beef Sasuke accordingly. Sasuke only awakned the Amaterasu, he should still have one more jutsu (assuming the genjutsu was also part of the Mangekyou Sharingan).

I have a feeling Kishi is going to dumb Naruto down. Automatically Naruto will forget Sage Mode (like he forgot summoning jutsu against Sasuke in their last battle), that means no throwable Rasen Shuriken, no deadly taijutsu, no super strength, no increased speed, no double Rasengan, and no Sage Tech Oodama Rasengan. Semi Sarcasm, but I have a feeling things might be left out.

Kishi will probably come up with an excuse for why Naruto won't go into Sage Mode.lol Oh, Sasuke is so fast that I couldn't go into it properly (even though it was shown that Naruto needs little time now to go into Sage Mode). Naruto also won't summon.

Okay, most of that was sarcasm, but I'm getting my hopes down, so that if things to occur circumstantial for Naruto, it won't be too bad to cope with.

And Naruto could break Sasuke in half with his Frog Kata's, your point? Genjutsu is an advantage Sasuke has sure, but I fail to see why this disadvantage negates all those Sasuke has....
I'm not saying it does, just that it seems to be Naruto's only weakness against Sasuke now

Madara and his hax space time crap is a whole 'nother story. >.<

Naturally however, you know Kishi is going to beef Sasuke accordingly. Sasuke only awakned the Amaterasu, he should still have one more jutsu (assuming the genjutsu was also part of the Mangekyou Sharingan).

I have a feeling Kishi is going to dumb Naruto down. Automatically Naruto will forget Sage Mode (like he forgot summoning jutsu against Sasuke in their last battle), that means no throwable Rasen Shuriken, no deadly taijutsu, no super strength, no increased speed, no double Rasengan, and no Sage Tech Oodama Rasengan. Semi Sarcasm, but I have a feeling things might be left out.

Kishi will probably come up with an excuse for why Naruto won't go into Sage Mode.lol Oh, Sasuke is so fast that I couldn't go into it properly (even though it was shown that Naruto needs little time now to go into Sage Mode). Naruto also won't summon.

Okay, most of that was sarcasm, but I'm getting my hopes down, so that if things to occur circumstantial for Naruto, it won't be too bad to cope with.

It's possible, but I am sort of thinking this is the time for Naruto's victory, even Kishimoto realizes it. Sasuke will be defeated at full strength by Naruto who will save him as he did Nagato, they will then plan to take out Madara together as teammates again. This is the only way Sasuke'll come back I think, he's gotta be shown Naruto's viewpoint after a gruelling battle.

(For some reason people think genjutsu = laser eyes of death; it can be circumvented and if Sage Mode helps one's genjutsu, it would help in the defense thereof...).

Yeah. It would be good for them to go all out, without any restraints. I'm just not getting my hopes too high. It would be nice to finally see "That Jutsu" but I have a feeling something like that is reserved only for Madara, considering that Minato saved the Kyuubi's chakra for Naruto intentionally so that he could have a chance against someone as powerful as that guy.

I'm not saying it does, just that it seems to be Naruto's only weakness against Sasuke now

Madara and his hax space time crap is a whole 'nother story. >.<

I get that but using it as the means to stop any argument that Naruto could win is lame because Sasuke has more weaknesses to Naruto than Naruto has to Sasuke.

I know what your talking about Special, but I would have to agree with the sixth. It's time for Sasuke to see Naruto differently and that involves Naruto kicking his tail.

As for "That Jutsu", I thought someone found that it might have been a miss translation. That it was meant as "That power", being the Nine Tails chakra. I don't disagree that Naruto has to learn to control it, and most likly will have to use it against Madara, but it will most likly be a last minute realization that he can truely control it and will do so in the midst of battle.

Hey I just got back from lunch, but I was reading about sasukes genjutsu aka MS, versus Naruto sage mode.

Naruto sage mode is practically immune to MS. Hence why itachi did not want to fight jiraiya. During sage mode you are constantly changing your chakra, gathering and releasing all types of new Natural chakra. Genjutsu, is to control the opponents chakra in their head, but if the chakra keeps changing, how can you control them?

You cant.

Hey I just got back from lunch, but I was reading about sasukes genjutsu aka MS, versus Naruto sage mode.

Naruto sage mode is practically immune to MS. Hence why itachi did not want to fight jiraiya. During sage mode you are constantly changing your chakra, gathering and releasing all types of new Natural chakra. Genjutsu, is to control the opponents chakra in their head, but if the chakra keeps changing, how can you control them?

You cant.


Itachi did not know of jiraiya's Sage Mode. Even Pein said, each one of the legendary 3 had tricks up their sleeves. Which leads me to believe only a select few knew of sage mode. And as young as Itachi was, it would have been really difficult for him to have that kind of information.He did not want to fight Ero-sennin based on abilites along

Itachi did not know of jiraiya's Sage Mode. Even Pein said, each one of the legendary 3 had tricks up their sleeves. Which leads me to believe only a select few knew of sage mode. And as young as Itachi was, it would have been really difficult for him to have that kind of information.He did not want to fight Ero-sennin based on abilites along

You are right on this but as I said above, Sage Mode is said to improve taijutsu, ninjutsu and genjutsu. Surely this also means also your defense of these as well. Plus if nature chakra > normal chakra, a chakra pulse of nature chakra would overwhelm normal genjutsu far easier.

Amaterasu will be a problem for Naruto but Sage Mode and that "gift" Itachi gave him will eliminate the danger of genjutsu.

You are right on this but as I said above, Sage Mode is said to improve taijutsu, ninjutsu and genjutsu. Surely this also means also your defense of these as well. Plus if nature chakra > normal chakra, a chakra pulse of nature chakra would overwhelm normal genjutsu far easier.

Amaterasu will be a problem for Naruto but Sage Mode and that "gift" Itachi gave him will eliminate the danger of genjutsu.

unless he forgets how to use kage bushinn amaterasu = fail.

i see everyone is preparing for a batlle : sasuke vs naruto
hmmmm still not shure a lil to soon for me
that's my opnion

Itachi did not know of jiraiya's Sage Mode. Even Pein said, each one of the legendary 3 had tricks up their sleeves. Which leads me to believe only a select few knew of sage mode. And as young as Itachi was, it would have been really difficult for him to have that kind of information.He did not want to fight Ero-sennin based on abilites along

Are you kidding me? Itachi was a genius. He never wanted to elimate the Uchiha. He did it for sasukes survival. The love for his brother.

My point still stands about sage mode practically being immune towards gen jutsu.

So when kisame and itachi were together and itachi said no lets no fight Jirayai. He only knew that sannins have a few tericks up their sleeve?
I dont think so.

At least post some reasoning. I know my info is not factual either but it makes more sense.

Are you kidding me? Itachi was a genius. He never wanted to elimate the Uchiha. He did it for sasukes survival. The love for his brother.

My point still stands about sage mode practically being immune towards gen jutsu.

So when kisame and itachi were together and itachi said no lets no fight Jirayai. He only knew that sannins have a few tericks up their sleeve?
I dont think so.

At least post some reasoning. I know my info is not factual either but it makes more sense.

Simply because Itachi was on the same side of Jiraiya, does not mean he knew about senjutsu. In fact, I don't even think the Third knew that Jiraiya had that sort of power, it seems to be something Jiraiya only uses if his death is certain without it (he even refused to use it when Naruto when four tails and slashed his chest into cream cheese).

Itachi just didn't want to fight Jiraiya because of he was undercover, I think it had nothing to do with Sage Mode.

Having said that, I think Sage Mode is way better at defending against genjutsu than anything else thus far.... immune? Only if Itachi's "gift" comes into play I think.

Simply because Itachi was on the same side of Jiraiya, does not mean he knew about senjutsu. In fact, I don't even think the Third knew that Jiraiya had that sort of power, it seems to be something Jiraiya only uses if his death is certain without it (he even refused to use it when Naruto when four tails and slashed his chest into cream cheese).

Itachi just didn't want to fight Jiraiya because of he was undercover, I think it had nothing to do with Sage Mode.

Having said that, I think Sage Mode is way better at defending against genjutsu than anything else thus far.... immune? Only if Itachi's "gift" comes into play I think.

Well, I wasnt stateing anything about itachi to begin with, All I was saying is that since Sage mode Keeps changing the chakra flow and brings in new chakra "Natural chakra" that it would be extremely hard to keep a genjutsu on someone in sage mode.

In order to hold a genjutsu you need to have control of the chakra in your opponents brain. But if your chakra is constantly changing and being used, how can you hold a genjutsu over that person? Thats all I was saying.

Correction I meant almost all immune, Not completely immune. in the last post.

Are you kidding me? Itachi was a genius. He never wanted to elimate the Uchiha. He did it for sasukes survival. The love for his brother.

My point still stands about sage mode practically being immune towards gen jutsu.

So when kisame and itachi were together and itachi said no lets no fight Jirayai. He only knew that sannins have a few tericks up their sleeve?
I dont think so.

At least post some reasoning. I know my info is not factual either but it makes more sense.

If you remeber when Pa Frog was teaching naruto Senjutsu, He specifically said only people with Huge chakra reserves can even try to learn Senjutsu. Also remember all the Statue frogs of people who tried but failed. If Senjutsu was a known fact to all, then everyone who has Huge chakra would have tried to learn it. Just imagine everyone in Akatsuki! All of them have huge Chakra's, and not to mention the biggest Kisame! Imagine him with senjutsu..lol

Fact is, the pact that Naruto, ero-Sennin and the 4th had with the frogs, gave them, not only the ability to summon the frogs, but also the ability to train in a mountain only a few knew about. This is all stated in the manga

If you remeber when Pa Frog was teaching naruto Senjutsu, He specifically said only people with Huge chakra reserves can even try to learn Senjutsu. Also remember all the Statue frogs of people who tried but failed. If Senjutsu was a known fact to all, then everyone who has Huge chakra would have tried to learn it. Just imagine everyone in Akatsuki! All of them have huge Chakra's, and not to mention the biggest Kisame! Imagine him with senjutsu..lol

Fact is, the pact that Naruto, ero-Sennin and the 4th had with the frogs, gave them, not only the ability to summon the frogs, but also the ability to train in a mountain only a few knew about. This is all stated in the manga

Reason that akatsuki does not have sage mode, is that none have a pact with Frogs. otherwise if some did then maybe they would have sage mode.

Also this doesnt object to anything I was saying about sage mode being pretty much immune to genjutsu, unless Im misinterpreting something from this post?

Shikaku knew of the Sage Techniques, of course he couldn't do them. My guess is that he saw Jiraiya in action before.

Jiraiya is far more powerfull than itatchi its is simply because he has a high indurance & fighting skills than Itachi,he might having a hardtime fighting with susano but still he's unstapable if he will use that jutsu,the "toad confrontation singing" which even pain failed to stop it.

Shikaku knew of the Sage Techniques, of course he couldn't do them. My guess is that he saw Jiraiya in action before.


I think so too. Shikaku is a character who has not been fully introduced to us yet. He was on a secret panel of advisors, which in the manga, kishi never let on the importance of shikaku. I am sure only a select few knew of senjutsu. I really hope Kishi goes into detail on how and why, Shikaku is so important.

But point to AnbuKakashi was, that only a few people knew of Senjutsu. Itachi didnt fight Ero-sennin because he was friend not foe, which we found out alot later. He was a genious, and nobody debates on how strong he was, but he had to remain "Undercover" so to say. But it was Jmans abilites they did not want to face, not thet fact they knew he could use Senjutsu

Ok this arguement was about sage mode being pretty much almost immune to Genjutsu and MS. Lets get back on topic please. Read a few posts up of mine last 2 mainly

I love how people use Genjutsu as the end all heart of spades against Naruto.

Yet they forget one small detail, Naruto has been put under genjutsu multiple times but all times by the same person. ITACHI !!!!

Mr. Genjutsu himself. The same Itachi who beat, Kurenai, Deidara, Oro and Sasuke with Genjutsu.

Losing to Itachi through genjutsu is like losing to Michael Phelps in a swiming competition.

Jiraiya is far more powerfull than itatchi its is simply because he has a high indurance & fighting skills than Itachi,he might having a hardtime fighting with susano but still he's unstapable if he will use that jutsu,the "toad confrontation singing" which even pain failed to stop it.

Only someone who was a genjutsu user of Itachis caliber can counter or beat him at it. remember kurneai. She was Pwnd by Itachi trying to use her Genjutsu. Plus Jman said himself, when confronting a Genjustu type..RUN!!! Unless you have 2 or more team members.

I like how I am Speakign of any gen jutsu user in general but everyone is itachi itachi itachi.

WTF Tazuna and Inari are back??? Wow i was thinking about that the other day. Wow I wonder what they are there for. Maybe Tazuna is going to lead a construction project.

AnbuKakashi in response to your theory about Sage mode being nearly immune to genjutsu, I am not sure I follow your reasoning. Your reason is that while in Sage mode he is constantly pulling in nature energy thus altering his chakra flow. I thought that (according to Pa Frog's statements) he could only gather nature energy when focused and absolutely still, not during a fight. That is why J-man fused with ma and pa, so that one could sit completely still and focus to gather the energy while the others used abilities. Because they couldn't fuse with Naruto due to the 9 tailed chakra he found a way around this by using the clones (who were sitting in calm meditation while he was fighting) to gather the energy then had to reverse summon and release them to actually gain that energy.

The actual flow of chakra part may still be a good enough reason, but I wanted to be clear as to your theory and respond to your comments. I believe what H_I was commenting on is the fact some people believe that sage mode is powerful against genjutsu because Itachi didn't want to fight J-man, but in fact the reason Itachi didn't want to fight him had absolutely nothing to do with sage mode or genjutsu.

AnbuKakashi in response to your theory about Sage mode being nearly immune to genjutsu, I am not sure I follow your reasoning. Your reason is that while in Sage mode he is constantly pulling in nature energy thus altering his chakra flow. I thought that (according to Pa Frog's statements) he could only gather nature energy when focused and absolutely still, not during a fight. That is why J-man fused with ma and pa, so that one could sit completely still and focus to gather the energy while the others used abilities. Because they couldn't fuse with Naruto due to the 9 tailed chakra he found a way around this by using the clones (who were sitting in calm meditation while he was fighting) to gather the energy then had to reverse summon and release them to actually gain that energy.

The actual flow of chakra part may still be a good enough reason, but I wanted to be clear as to your theory and respond to your comments. I believe what H_I was commenting on is the fact some people believe that sage mode is powerful against genjutsu because Itachi didn't want to fight J-man, but in fact the reason Itachi didn't want to fight him had absolutely nothing to do with sage mode or genjutsu.


I was just talkin shit when I said the itachi jirayia scenario. I think Itachi didnt fight him because he knew he was mad powerful. But My question is why didnt jirayai fight itachi and kisame?

but my point still stands. even though naruto cannot gather natural chakra naturally as its meant to be becuase of kyuubi He can use his clones. So if he simple called a clone it should render him immune, to gen jutsu temporaily

AnbuKakashi in response to your theory about Sage mode being nearly immune to genjutsu, I am not sure I follow your reasoning. Your reason is that while in Sage mode he is constantly pulling in nature energy thus altering his chakra flow. I thought that (according to Pa Frog's statements) he could only gather nature energy when focused and absolutely still, not during a fight. That is why J-man fused with ma and pa, so that one could sit completely still and focus to gather the energy while the others used abilities. Because they couldn't fuse with Naruto due to the 9 tailed chakra he found a way around this by using the clones (who were sitting in calm meditation while he was fighting) to gather the energy then had to reverse summon and release them to actually gain that energy.

The actual flow of chakra part may still be a good enough reason, but I wanted to be clear as to your theory and respond to your comments. I believe what H_I was commenting on is the fact some people believe that sage mode is powerful against genjutsu because Itachi didn't want to fight J-man, but in fact the reason Itachi didn't want to fight him had absolutely nothing to do with sage mode or genjutsu.

Also the fact that Naruto can only use 2 shadow clones to gather NE to compensate for not being able to fuse shows that even if Naruto manages to repel the genjutsu in SM, he would eventually use up the 2 shadow clones to restore his SM. After that he has to gather NE while being still and that's not gonna be doing any good for Naruto. So with Naruto's initial transformation to Sage Mode, plus the 2 shadow clones would equal to about 15-20 minutes of SM without having to use FRS (which takes up a lot of sage chakra). So Naruto would have to work quickly in order to beat his opponent.

AnbuKakashi in response to your theory about Sage mode being nearly immune to genjutsu, I am not sure I follow your reasoning. Your reason is that while in Sage mode he is constantly pulling in nature energy thus altering his chakra flow. I thought that (according to Pa Frog's statements) he could only gather nature energy when focused and absolutely still, not during a fight. That is why J-man fused with ma and pa, so that one could sit completely still and focus to gather the energy while the others used abilities. Because they couldn't fuse with Naruto due to the 9 tailed chakra he found a way around this by using the clones (who were sitting in calm meditation while he was fighting) to gather the energy then had to reverse summon and release them to actually gain that energy.

The actual flow of chakra part may still be a good enough reason, but I wanted to be clear as to your theory and respond to your comments. I believe what H_I was commenting on is the fact some people believe that sage mode is powerful against genjutsu because Itachi didn't want to fight J-man, but in fact the reason Itachi didn't want to fight him had absolutely nothing to do with sage mode or genjutsu.


ok, Ill try to go into detail.

In oder to obtain and hold a gen jutsu on a opponent you need to control the chakra flowing in their head correct? There is no way to change your original chakra, as far as we know except for sage mode.

Now If Naruto was caught in ie: MS or any other gen jutsu, He has a hard time breaking it with "kai" etc. but if he were to summon a clone which would put him into sage mode, I am sure he would break free, and temporaily be immune to any type of gen jutsu by any user. Here is why I believe this.

Gen-jutsu requires you to control the flow of chakra in a opponents head, but If the opponent was to change that chakra and the flow, wouldnt that release you from the gen just? since now the Gen jutsu user is now controllin absolutely no chakra since that chakra has changed.

The consistant change of natural chakra hinders MS or any gen jutsu to be used on the person in sage mode.

Hopefully this made it alot clearer?

How will he be able to summon a clone while he's in a genjutsu? In a genjutsu, anything can be made real like making the person think he's summoning shadow clones and you end up summoning snakes that attack you instead.

How will he be able to summon a clone while he's in a genjutsu? In a genjutsu, anything can be made real like making the person think he's summoning shadow clones and you end up summoning snakes that attack you instead.

I think Naruto is smart enough to tell if he is at least in a gen jutsu, he may not know how to get out but im sure he would resort to sage mode, not being aware of what it can do and how it can get him out though lol.

Just like when he fought the fake itachi he knew right away he was in a gen jutsu, and he was trying to remember what jiraiya thought him of how to get out, but now he has sage mode so its alot different.

I think Naruto is smart enough to tell if he is at least in a gen jutsu, he may not know how to get out but im sure he would resort to sage mode, not being aware of what it can do and how it can get him out though lol.

Just like when he fought the fake itachi he knew right away he was in a gen jutsu, and he was trying to remember what jiraiya thought him of how to get out, but now he has sage mode so its alot different.

True, but then he would have to prepare those clones ahead of time if he was to face a genjutsu user. Plus he can't keep those shadow clones active all day so that he could use them on the fly. Naruto had those clones ready because of Pein's six paths. Plus with the toads there to help, it provides at least some distraction in order for Naruto to be able to summon a clone to dispel it. Now if Naruto were able to have 100 shadow clones gathering NE at Myoboku Mountain and was able to dispel one clone at a time in such a great distance, then I could see with Naruto being able to go into SM while in a genjutsu. But it's not possible since you can't be focusing so much NE in multiple Shadow Clones, plus if one of the clones accidently gather too much and the clone turns into a frog, Naruto's done for.

True, but then he would have to prepare those clones ahead of time if he was to face a genjutsu user. Plus he can't keep those shadow clones active all day so that he could use them on the fly. Naruto had those clones ready because of Pein's six paths. Plus with the toads there to help, it provides at least some distraction in order for Naruto to be able to summon a clone to dispel it. Now if Naruto were able to have 100 shadow clones gathering NE at Myoboku Mountain and was able to dispel one clone at a time in such a great distance, then I could see with Naruto being able to go into SM while in a genjutsu. But it's not possible since you can't be focusing so much NE in multiple Shadow Clones, plus if one of the clones accidently gather too much and the clone turns into a frog, Naruto's done for.

True, but usually Everyone is informed of who they will be fighting or who they may run into.

True, but usually Everyone is informed of who they will be fighting or who they may run into.

Yes, but they still have little time to prepare. Given the situation and if Kishi moves this arc along, Sasuke may be within Konoha's boundaries possibly within hours (or a day at the most).

Yes, but they still have little time to prepare. Given the situation and if Kishi moves this arc along, Sasuke may be within Konoha's boundaries possibly within hours (or a day at the most).

Im sure with the situation at hand Naruto is already having other clones prepare. Naruto isnt the Unintelligent kid he once was, He is growing up quite well.

Im sure with the situation at hand Naruto is already having other clones prepare. Naruto isnt the Unintelligent kid he once was, He is growing up quite well.

That's true, but if Naruto wants to save Sasuke, he's gonna need a lot more than just 2 clones. He can't take on Hawk by himself you know. So if I were to make a prediction, I believe that Naruto will take at least Kakashi, Sakura and Yamato (Sai's with Anko looking for Kabuchimaru) and try to confront Sasuke before he reaches the village. But then he would have to have prior knowledge that he's on his way in which case, he can use SM to sense his chakra levels.

That's true, but if Naruto wants to save Sasuke, he's gonna need a lot more than just 2 clones. He can't take on Hawk by himself you know. So if I were to make a prediction, I believe that Naruto will take at least Kakashi, Sakura and Yamato (Sai's with Anko looking for Kabuchimaru) and try to confront Sasuke before he reaches the village. But then he would have to have prior knowledge that he's on his way in which case, he can use SM to sense his chakra levels.

WTF are you talking about?
Naruto can't beat team Hawk alone?
What are you...a fucking sasgay fanboy?

Naruto just rapped Pain's ass with only 1 clone and Pain would kill team Hawk on instant.

That's true, but if Naruto wants to save Sasuke, he's gonna need a lot more than just 2 clones. He can't take on Hawk by himself you know. So if I were to make a prediction, I believe that Naruto will take at least Kakashi, Sakura and Yamato (Sai's with Anko looking for Kabuchimaru) and try to confront Sasuke before he reaches the village. But then he would have to have prior knowledge that he's on his way in which case, he can use SM to sense his chakra levels.

I think Naruto can handle Hawk by himself, but Naruto would most likely have backup with him because of the Akakaski factor and them not wanting Naruto to be on his own being targeted so much.

WTF are you talking about?
Naruto can't beat team Hawk alone?
What are you...a fucking sasgay fanboy?

Naruto just rapped Pain's ass with only 1 clone and Pain would kill team Hawk on instant.

I'm not saying I was! And the situation with Pein is totally different! Naruto was prepared for him. He doesn't know what team Hawk's capabilities are apart from Sasuke's. So calm the fuck down, get your head out of your ass and try to make sense of what I'm saying.

I'm not saying I was! And the situation with Pein is totally different! Naruto was prepared for him. He doesn't know what team Hawk's capabilities are apart from Sasuke's. So calm the fuck down and get your head out of your ass and try to make sense of what I'm saying.

Karin = useless
juggo = knocked the fuk out with 1 hit(naruto knows all about the cs)
suigetsu = LOL

Karin = useless
juggo = knocked the fuk out with 1 hit(naruto knows all about the cs)
suigetsu = LOL

Well that may be true for all 3 of them but as I said, Naruto doesn't know their capabilities so yes he may be able to handle them by himself but he's gonna need backup at least.

Well that may be true for all 3 of them but as I said, Naruto doesn't know their capabilities so yes he may be able to handle them by himself but he's gonna need backup at least.

naruto didn't know all of pain's capabilities either, yet he still mopped the floors with them... .

before u say he did, he only had info on 2 bodies from Katsuya Fat pain and god realm the rest of the bodies were killed so fast naruto didn't have time to figure them out lol.

Finally a Hokage that does his job. That hit on Sasuke is a long time coming because of the shit he's pulled.

hmm, i think naruto could handle with team hawk, but i dont think it will happend, as i said in other thread, its too early for naruto vs sasuke fight, so after all ninja being ordered to kill sasuke, i think team hawk will get ambushed, suigetsu will die and sasuke will just have to retreat,

and maybe ask for help from kisame :D

naruto didn't know all of pain's capabilities either, yet he still mopped the floors with them... .

before u say he did, he only had info on 2 bodies from Katsuya Fat pain and god realm the rest of the bodies were killed so fast naruto didn't have time to figure them out lol.

I'm trying to say that he was prepared from the time he finished training at Myoboku. It didn't matter if he didn't know his capabilities when he started, only that he knows he has to be prepared to fight the one who killed Jiraiya. If he hadn't been or if he'd been called back earlier (if the messenger frog didn't get killed) then Naruto might not be able to stand a chance against Pein and may as well have been captured. Same thing for when he eventually faces Sasuke and since he just came out from the battle the victor, he will have little time to rest and prepare, now that he knows that Danzou is the new Hokage and has given the order to kill Sasuke.

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And as for that asshole with his rude comment earlier, this is a fucking forum. I'm voicing my opinion and trying to be realistic on the situation. Yet you come out and be like "OMG WTF U NOOB NARUTO OWNS!", without trying to make sense of what I'm trying to say and argue your case in a respectful way. I'm not going to waste my hours with shit like you who get yourself off every day by sitting on your couch and typing insults to people you think is beneath you. I'm not trying to start a flame, I'm only saying that if you continue to talk trash to people without even trying to make sense of what others are saying then you seriously need to take a chill pill and get off the internet for a week. Maybe that would calm you down and bring you back to earth.

I think it would be badass if Naruto went with the cloud trio looking for Sasuke and they end up running into Bee and Kisame fight. Kisame escapes. Meanwhile Sausages arrives in Konoha to fight Danzou and kill the elders.

Well that and Sasuke has been the most unloyal Konoha shinobi since Orochimaru.

I am praying Kishimoto gives Naruto a victory over Sasuke for once, this is just getting lame. Naruto can defeat the #2 of 'Akatsuku' so logically Sasuke'd be screwed at his current level.

What makes him unloyal, he left and began killing enemies of Konoha... Orochimaru, Deidara, and even Itachi his own brother, for his own reasons of course. I don't know what people expected from Sasuke, he saw the genocide of his whole clan, no one in Konoha has had an equal bad set of circumstances beyond Itachi who left. Iruka and others may have had their parents killed by the Kyuubi (whom nobody in Konoha is now complaining about the Kyuubi, their praising the entity that helped Naruto), but their whole clan, c'mon. No matter what age I'd think that someone would do things their own way, and though I'm in the minority I don't fault Sasuke for that, he built his own character from his own choices.
Sasuke dosen't operate like the other Akatsuki members but more like team 7. For that reason I'm almost sure Sasuke will most likely be in the final battle, and he will protect Suigetsu, and Karin, but I think Juugo will perish soon he seems expendable.
But because he chose to leave the village that caused his entire clan so many problems, and wouldn't continue fighting Konoha's battle is a personal choice, not a move against anyone in Konoha. How many times has he attacked Konoha or even a Nin from Konoha, answer...Never.
Also like Naruto, he's never killed anyone. So what makes him such a bad guy?

Ero-Sage- I think you hit the nail right on the head. I can see this taking place and it makes more sense. It might be way too soon for the Sasuke vs. Naruto.

@NEO
Sasuke's defection from Konoha
1. Sasuke leaves the village to train with a shinobi that killed the 3rd Hokage.

2. While trying to escape he's intercepted by Naruto. Instead of giving himself up Sasuke chose to battle Naruto almost costing Naruto his life. Not to mention that had Kakashi not shown up Naruto would have been captured by Zetsu.

3. 2 1/2 Years pass & Konoha shinobi find Sasuke. Instead of surrendering & going back to Konoha Sasuke again chose to attack. Sasuke once again pulled his blade against Konoha ninja.

4. Konoha ninja try to find Itachi & bump into Sasuke. Sasuke again resist arrest.

Summery: Police officers in real life have shot people for far less. After the first failed attempt at capture the order would have been given to take him down. Sasuke is the last of the Uchiha & holds secrets concerning both Konoha & his clan. These secrets can be used against Konoha is left unchecked. This is why Hunter Ninja(Anbu that hunt renegade shinobi) are sent out if someone runs away in the first place. The hit should have been ordered once Sasuke attacked Naruto however Tsunade was always too soft. Sorry but it’s true Danzou is clearly justified in his actions at this point.

@NEO
Sasuke's defection from Konoha
1. Sasuke leaves the village to train with a shinobi that killed the 3rd Hokage.

2. While trying to escape he's intercepted by Naruto. Instead of giving himself up Sasuke chose to battle Naruto almost costing Naruto his life. Not to mention that had Kakashi not shown up Naruto would have been captured by Zetsu.

3. 2 1/2 Years pass & Konoha shinobi find Sasuke. Instead of surrendering & going back to Konoha Sasuke again chose to attack. Sasuke once again pulled his blade against Konoha ninja.

4. Konoha ninja try to find Itachi & bump into Sasuke. Sasuke again resist arrest.

Summery: Police officers in real life have shot people for far less. After the first failed attempt at capture the order would have been given to take him down. Sasuke is the last of the Uchiha & holds secrets concerning both Konoha & his clan. These secrets can be used against Konoha is left unchecked. This is why Hunter Ninja(Anbu that hunt renegade shinobi) are sent out if someone runs away in the first place. The hit should have been ordered once Sasuke attacked Naruto however Tsunade was always too soft. Sorry but it’s true Danzou is clearly justified in his actions at this point.

Lol honestly sasuke can die again dn again he knows no secrets at age 12 wtf could he possibly know lol... Madara is the 1 who knows secrets since he was the co founder of konoha... sasuke is a small fish in a big pond... kiling him won't make a difference to madara.

just for a little the 3rd wasn't actually "killed" by oro :D

Lol honestly sasuke can die again dn again he knows no secrets at age 12 wtf could he possibly know lol... Madara is the 1 who knows secrets since he was the co founder of konoha... sasuke is a small fish in a big pond... kiling him won't make a difference to madara.

just for a little the 3rd wasn't actually "killed" by oro :D

wath you mean the 3the wasn't killed by oru

wath you mean the 3the wasn't killed by oru

no he wasn't the death god killed him weren't u reading the manga at the time or watching the anime:cool::rolleyes:

Lol honestly sasuke can die again dn again he knows no secrets at age 12 wtf could he possibly know lol... Madara is the 1 who knows secrets since he was the co founder of konoha... sasuke is a small fish in a big pond... kiling him won't make a difference to madara.

just for a little the 3rd wasn't actually "killed" by oro :D
For one he knows the layout of the village, where the barracks & schools are kept, where the water/food supply is kept, where weapons are stored, the hokage office location, how to enter the village without setting off alarms bla bla bla...... Basic shit which could be used against Konoha. Sasuke also knows the secret behind MS & that it can be used to summon/control the nine tailed fox. Plus with 2 1/2 years with Orochimaru there's no telling what secrets he found out through idle conversation. As a leader you would need to take all of these things into consideration & ask yourself is it really worth letting this awol shinobi run free no matter what his age.

PS: Dude seriously we all know what happened in Sarutobi's fight however that doesn't change the fact that his death happened as a result of fighting Orochimaru. In the eyes of Konoha Orochimaru is responsible for Sarutobi's death.

For one he knows the layout of the village, where the barracks & schools are kept, where the water/food supply is kept, where weapons are stored, the hokage office location, how to enter the village without setting off alarms bla bla bla...... Basic shit which could be used against Konoha. Sasuke also knows the secret behind MS & that it can be used to summon/control the nine tailed fox. Plus with 2 1/2 years with Orochimaru there's no telling what secrets he found out through idle conversation. As a leader you would need to take all of these things into consideration & ask yourself is it really worth letting this awol shinobi run free no matter what his age.

I doubt he knows any traps around konoha after all pain said Itachi knew it cause he was on the anbu squad back when.. sasuke has no knowledge of these things.. nd knowing sasuke's attitude u really think he talked with oro lol.

Nd the hokage office is easy to find lol..

But i get you man just fooling around.... still danzo's first orders i like em maybe he'll be good kage or at least he can stir up excitement...

I'm liking Danzou already though I'm not happy with how he got the job.

@NEO
Sasuke's defection from Konoha
1. Sasuke leaves the village to train with a shinobi that killed the 3rd Hokage.

2. While trying to escape he's intercepted by Naruto. Instead of giving himself up Sasuke chose to battle Naruto almost costing Naruto his life. Not to mention that had Kakashi not shown up Naruto would have been captured by Zetsu.

3. 2 1/2 Years pass & Konoha shinobi find Sasuke. Instead of surrendering & going back to Konoha Sasuke again chose to attack. Sasuke once again pulled his blade against Konoha ninja.

4. Konoha ninja try to find Itachi & bump into Sasuke. Sasuke again resist arrest.

Summery: Police officers in real life have shot people for far less. After the first failed attempt at capture the order would have been given to take him down. Sasuke is the last of the Uchiha & holds secrets concerning both Konoha & his clan. These secrets can be used against Konoha is left unchecked. This is why Hunter Ninja(Anbu that hunt renegade shinobi) are sent out if someone runs away in the first place. The hit should have been ordered once Sasuke attacked Naruto however Tsunade was always too soft. Sorry but it’s true Danzou is clearly justified in his actions at this point.

But the Uchihas had been separated from the village before his birth, so all Sasuke knew was the Uchiha way of life, and he was a Prince as well as Itachi. The whole manga is written in a Konoha perspective, or point of view because few shed tears for how the Uchihas were treated, and obviously being wrong wasn't all from their side. I say that because Sarutobi wanted to stop the annhililation so its very possible he felt sorry for some wrong put upon the Uchihas from the past Hokages situations, the Elders, or Danzou.
I agree with Myth that Sasuke has no great knowledge of Konoha stuff, but MS Sharingan information is Uchiha property, the Konoha order simply wants to snuff it out because Madara used the Kyuubi. Konoha should learn, that if you treat people like 2nd classed citizens, and try to control them like animals in the zoo, their are some gorillas, tigers, and bears, that will escape. They want to be in their own habitat, and will fight to get their too. Sasuke supposedly wants to raise the Uchiha Clan from the ashes, thats simply not in Konoha's interest so they think screw him.
He left because he felt he was learning too slowly and didn't have anything left to learn. He would've left Oro but he wanted his body so he knew he'd have to fight him. So I say Kudos to the shinobi that thinks ahead and attack Oro when he was vunerable, he wanted his body for christ sakes.
Now its Madara's turn, when he's gained all the knowledge he can from Madara, he'll show him whom the greatest Uchiha will ultimately be, Uchiha Sasuke.

@NEO
Sasuke's defection from Konoha
1. Sasuke leaves the village to train with a shinobi that killed the 3rd Hokage.

This is the main point, beside leaving the village.

2. While trying to escape he's intercepted by Naruto. Instead of giving himself up Sasuke chose to battle Naruto almost costing Naruto his life. Not to mention that had Kakashi not shown up Naruto would have been captured by Zetsu.

I don't recall seeing Zetsu, but the battle does prove another point. Sasuke is a traitor, plan and simple.

3. 2 1/2 Years pass & Konoha shinobi find Sasuke. Instead of surrendering & going back to Konoha Sasuke again chose to attack. Sasuke once again pulled his blade against Konoha ninja.

He pulled his blade, and went as far as stabbing Yamato.

Lol honestly sasuke can die again dn again he knows no secrets at age 12 wtf could he possibly know lol... Madara is the 1 who knows secrets since he was the co founder of konoha... sasuke is a small fish in a big pond... killing him won't make a difference to madara.

just for a little the 3rd wasn't actually "killed" by oro :D

Why are you guys arguing about this? Sasuke is/was a ninja of Konoha, the jutsus that he has learned are secrets. Jutsus, even forbidden ones that Oro might have taught him came from Konoha. Even the Shadow Clone Jutsu is a Konoha secret. That’s why you have hunter nin, to dispose of the bodies after they have been killed. They don't want anything to get out.

As for Dan the man being the Sixth; I don't see him lasting too long. I don't doubt that Sasuke might just kill him, which I would be happy with.

This is the main point, beside leaving the village.



I don't recall seeing Zetsu, but the battle does prove another point. Sasuke is a traitor, plan and simple.



He pulled his blade, and went as far as stabbing Yamato.



Why are you guys arguing about this? Sasuke is/was a ninja of Konoha, the jutsus that he has learned are secrets. Jutsus, even forbidden ones that Oro might have taught him came from Konoha. Even the Shadow Clone Jutsu is a Konoha secret. That’s why you have hunter nin, to dispose of the bodies after they have been killed. They don't want anything to get out.

As for Dan the man being the Sixth; I don't see him lasting too long. I don't doubt that Sasuke might just kill him, which I would be happy with.


I was messing around with vengeance i wasn't serious i even said that...

2 things, nothing sasuke has shown s from konoha other then his chidori which can only be taught if u have lighting element, and he doesn't know Kage bushinn... the only thing we saw he developed under oro was Kirin....

comparing him to madara in terms of knowing secrets is way off he doesn't know shit cause he left the village at 12 years old he was in the dark..

I was messing around with vengeance i wasn't serious i even said that...

2 things, nothing sasuke has shown s from konoha other then his chidori which can only be taught if u have lighting element, and he doesn't know Kage bushinn... the only thing we saw he developed under oro was Kirin....

comparing him to madara in terms of knowing secrets is way off he doesn't know shit cause he left the village at 12 years old he was in the dark..

But Myth, if Sasuke didn't know about kage bushinn, then why did he pass his academy exam with top marks? Lol, I'm not trying to defend him or anything but he at least knows that much. Just that he thinks that technique's beneath him.

I love the spoilers, the guy from the Great Naruto bridge came back into the mix. Awesome.

Sasuke knows ho to perform anything and everything he ever saw with his sharingan. He may not be at Kakashi's level to copy them right back at u like Kakashi did against Zabuza, but his eyes tell a whole lot. If Cloud or Rock, or whoever got thier hands on Sharingan like Kakashi, it could be troublesome for Konoha. If they ever got his Uchiha blood and body. They can attempt to make a or some "New Uchiha"/Sasuke version of the Yamato/1st Hokage like Orochumaru did.

^he was that guy?from the naruto bridge?i hardly recalled.
so chapter 450 isn't a bad dream coz i'm still not waking. Danzou is still hokage.booo.

But Myth, if Sasuke didn't know about kage bushinn, then why did he pass his academy exam with top marks? Lol, I'm not trying to defend him or anything but he at least knows that much. Just that he thinks that technique's beneath him.

no ur still wrong cause he doesn't know it.. he knows the regular clone technique which are just projections... the actual kage bushinn technique is a real body he doesn't know that... idk what manga u've been reading... the only rookie from the 9 that knows it is naruto...

@Lion demon just cause u have the sharingan doesn't mean u can copy anything it gives u the ability to copy it, but ud actually have to WANT to copy it to actually copy it... since if he copied something he'd use it by now... assuming doesn't mean anything for me.

no ur still wrong cause he doesn't know it.. he knows the regular clone technique which are just projections... the actual kage bushinn technique is a real body he doesn't know that... idk what manga u've been reading... the only rookie from the 9 that knows it is naruto...

@Lion demon just cause u have the sharingan doesn't mean u can copy anything it gives u the ability to copy it, but ud actually have to WANT to copy it to actually copy it... since if he copied something he'd use it by now... assuming doesn't mean anything for me.

Oh, ok my bad. I thought both of them were practially the same thing.

no ur still wrong cause he doesn't know it.. he knows the regular clone technique which are just projections... the actual kage bushinn technique is a real body he doesn't know that... idk what manga u've been reading... the only rookie from the 9 that knows it is naruto...

@Lion demon just cause u have the sharingan doesn't mean u can copy anything it gives u the ability to copy it, but ud actually have to WANT to copy it to actually copy it... since if he copied something he'd use it by now... assuming doesn't mean anything for me.

copying is just a word. The only reason u can "copy" with Sharingan is because Sharingan can see the flow of chakra and where it is going, depending on the jutsu being performed, and it slows it down enough that if u are fast, u can counter your enemy with his own attack before he has even completed it. Seeing where the flow of chkara is going in the body and the hand signs is how they "copy it" Byakugan sees the same thing it just doesnt slow down the movements for u. If Sasuke saw naruto do Kage B even 1 time while he had Sharingan on, Sasuke can do it. He saw everything necessay to perform it, and in slow motion, all by watching Naruto's chakra flow in his body and hand signs.

Hyuuga have their Byaakugan so they take pride in it and that's all they use are Byakugan related attacks.

Negato had six paths and that's all he used.

Uchiha have Sharingan which has great value in the fact that they can slow movements down and copy jutsu. Kakashi chose to become the "copy ninja". A unique title because even though all other Uchiha's could do the same, it was "beneath them and their unique talents". He is called that because he has clearly made it a habbit of "copying people's jutsu" for people to even give him the name and say that he has "copied" over 100 jutsu. Itachi chose to mainly use his MS but keep his Sharingan on all day so everything is always in slow mo and u coulnt touch him. Madara and his brother rose in the ranks and fought Senju with MS. Uchiha are MS, quick counters, genjutsu, fire


K-bones guy used his bones as his weapons

Sasuke was desperate enough to even use Orochumaru's powers but not anymore, now that Itachi is gone and he has MS. Sasuke still had too much pride to use anything other than what he was taught or created, or was given in birth. Sasuke is about to become a young Itachi

When u have a unique gift that others dont, it's understandable for a noble clan to only flaunt their power that others dont have. "this is why im superior to u"

Oh, ok my bad. I thought both of them were practially the same thing.

Yeah, they are competely different. It would be funny if Naruto couldn't do the clone jutsu, yet is proficient in the shadow clone jutsu.lol That's like running before you can crawl.

Shadow clones are composed of actual substance and can perform any jutsu the original shinobi knows. The amount of damage as shadow clone can take before dispersing is based off circumstance.

Shadow clone jutsu = B Rank jutsu (jounin level technique)
Clone jutsu = E Rank jutsu (academy level)

Clone jutsu is for diversion purposes
Shadow clone jutsu is for recon, information gathering, and apparently training if you are Naruto.

copying is just a word. The only reason u can "copy" with Sharingan is because Sharingan can see the flow of chakra and where it is going, depending on the jutsu being performed, and it slows it down enough that if u are fast, u can counter your enemy with his own attack before he has even completed it. Seeing where the flow of chkara is going in the body and the hand signs is how they "copy it" Byakugan sees the same thing it just doesnt slow down the movements for u. If Sasuke saw naruto do Kage B even 1 time while he had Sharingan on, Sasuke can do it. He saw everything necessay to perform it, and in slow motion, all by watching Naruto's chakra flow in his body and hand signs.

Hyuuga have their Byaakugan so they take pride in it and that's all they use are Byakugan related attacks.

Negato had six paths and that's all he used.

Uchiha have Sharingan which has great value in the fact that they can slow movements down and copy jutsu. Kakashi chose to become the "copy ninja". A unique title because even though all other Uchiha's could do the same, it was "beneath them and their unique talents". He is called that because he has clearly made it a habbit of "copying people's jutsu" for people to even give him the name and say that he has "copied" over 100 jutsu. Itachi chose to mainly use his MS but keep his Sharingan on all day so everything is always in slow mo and u coulnt touch him. Madara and his brother rose in the ranks and fought Senju with MS. Uchiha are MS, quick counters, genjutsu, fire


K-bones guy used his bones as his weapons

Sasuke was desperate enough to even use Orochumaru's powers but not anymore, now that Itachi is gone and he has MS. Sasuke still had too much pride to use anything other than what he was taught or created, or was given in birth. Sasuke is about to become a young Itachi

When u have a unique gift that others dont, it's understandable for a noble clan to only flaunt their power that others dont have. "this is why im superior to u"


Im not even lying, but i didn't read all that all i can say is... sasuke has copied nothing in this manga other then lee's movements, that's all. if the jutsu is done to fast u can't know it....

Liondemon writes too much, lol, I skim as well.

Am I the only one who is neutral to Danzo ordering Sasuke's death? I am not sure he could have done more to Konoha...he abandoned the village, aligned himself with the Third's murderer and nearly killed Team Yamato as well as know being officially aligned with 'Akatsuki.' I am not sure how Naruto's love for Sasuke > the law/human ethics...

Im not even lying, but i didn't read all that all i can say is... sasuke has copied nothing in this manga other then lee's movements, that's all. if the jutsu is done to fast u can't know it....

True. Sasuke has not shown anythig that he wasnt trained to do but that doesnt mean he cant, when we know the Sharingan itself can and Sasuke is a "genius" True if it's done too fast u cant notice, like itachi did with KageB against Sasuke, but how many ninja are that fast? Sasuke couldnt get out of the way in time but he did copy lee's chakra movements while using taijitsu and therefore "copied" his taijutsu. I forgot about that. Sasuke copied it and Lee was still to fast for him. Just proves Sasuke can recreate jutsu that he has seen.

sasuke has copied nothing in this manga other then lee's movements, that's all. if the jutsu is done to fast u can't know it....

He probably copied Orochimaru's taijutsu style, I don't know. I'm sure with his training, he has used the sharingan to mimic patterns and develop counters. I agree, he probably hasn't copied many jutus, maybe because the shinobi he as fought or been around, use technqiues outside his sharingan's range to copy, such as Rasengan, C4, and Sand Coffin.

He did copies Chidori, but I'm sure we already agreed on that one.

Liondemon writes too much, lol, I skim as well.

Am I the only one who is neutral to Danzo ordering Sasuke's death? I am not sure he could have done more to Konoha...he abandoned the village, aligned himself with the Third's murderer and nearly killed Team Yamato as well as know being officially aligned with 'Akatsuki.' I am not sure how Naruto's love for Sasuke > the law/human ethics...

yeah i do. once i start i just cant stop rambling. I would skim too.

I dont care what Danzou does. Sasuke left the village, killed Orochumaru, minorly wounded Yamato when he could have killed him and is with Akatsuki but has no concerns with naruto at the moment. Sasuke is walking on thin ice but he has not broken it yet. Danzou will reign for about 3 years and Sasuke will get stronger over that time because of Danzou

Liondemon writes too much, lol, I skim as well.

Am I the only one who is neutral to Danzo ordering Sasuke's death? I am not sure he could have done more to Konoha...he abandoned the village, aligned himself with the Third's murderer and nearly killed Team Yamato as well as know being officially aligned with 'Akatsuki.' I am not sure how Naruto's love for Sasuke > the law/human ethics...


Your not the only one. I can say that I agree with both sides... He wanted to get revenge/justice for his clan. Ok, so go ahead; but why did you join up with Oro? If he really wanted to he could have trained to become a hunter nin, but that was the path he chose.

I really wasen't surprized to see Dan calling for his death, we already know that he had root looking for him and was labled for a kill.

well guys and girls it seems to me like this Naruto manga is going to last for many years from beggining to end. Ill probably be on social security before this thing ends,but Im not complaining. One more thing,if Saskue is such a threat to Konoha why werent Anbu sent to kill him from the beggining?

well guys and girls it seems to me like this Naruto manga is going to last for many years from beggining to end. Ill probably be on social security before this thing ends,but Im not complaining. One more thing,if Saskue is such a threat to Konoha why werent Anbu sent to kill him from the beggining?

Because of the Thrid Hokage. Itachi wanted him to take care of Sasuke remember? And Itachi also told Danzou that if he ever tries to harm Sasuke that he'll reveal his treatery to the village and surrounding countries.

Yea but the third has been dead for some time,you would think Danzou wouldnt have waited so long as to send sai to kill him. After Sai you would think after he failed he would have sent more root ninja to take him out. But as the story goes Danzou never sent any more anbu to take care of Saskue only because the storyline wouldnt allow him too.

Yea but the third has been dead for some time,you would think Danzou wouldnt have waited so long as to send sai to kill him. After Sai you would think after he failed he would have sent more root ninja to take him out. But as the story goes Danzou never sent any more anbu to take care of Saskue only because the storyline wouldnt allow him too.

He couldn't do it because itachi was still alive, nd he didn't send Sai to kill sasuke.. that wasn't what he really sent him for it was more of to test how good sasuke became.. u really think Danzo believed a uchiha genius who was under oro for 2.5 years would be defeated by 1 kid lol......

Thats why now with itachi out of the way he can actually send "capable people" to do it little does he know sasuke gained some new hax since the last time...


True. Sasuke has not shown anythig that he wasnt trained to do but that doesnt mean he cant, when we know the Sharingan itself can and Sasuke is a "genius" True if it's done too fast u cant notice, like itachi did with KageB against Sasuke, but how many ninja are that fast? Sasuke couldnt get out of the way in time but he did copy lee's chakra movements while using taijitsu and therefore "copied" his taijutsu. I forgot about that. Sasuke copied it and Lee was still to fast for him. Just proves Sasuke can recreate jutsu that he has seen.

There ya go though he was able to follow lee, lee wasn't to fast for sasuke to follow sasuke's body was to slow to keep up... He followed lee perfectly he just didn't have the physical speed to keep up...

thats why his eyes failed against itachi's kage bushin nd naruto's they both do them quick especially now naruto's timing has gotten even better... Let's face it if he could have copied the kage bushinn he would have...

Yea but the third has been dead for some time,you would think Danzou wouldnt have waited so long as to send sai to kill him. After Sai you would think after he failed he would have sent more root ninja to take him out. But as the story goes Danzou never sent any more anbu to take care of Saskue only because the storyline wouldnt allow him too.

Yeah but you know how Danzou is. Also remember that he didn't do anything till Part 2 because he was still disgraced since challenging the Third for the title of Hokage. He could've acted to try and become the next Hokage after the Third's death but he's got too much bad rep to make a move. So he allowed the elders to choose Tsunade to become the 5th. Yeah there are times when he would've sent any of ANBU Root to kill Sasuke but he would rather lie in wait till the opportunity presents itself. Now that Tsunade is out of commission and he's the new "Hokagay", he can now do what he wants without any opposition.

And as stated before that he didn't try to harm Sasuke because of Itachi.

the Dan man is pretty bold for telling EVERY ninja to hunt down sasuke...guess he knows that sasuke knows the truth...i wonder how?

Yeah but you know how Danzou is. Also remember that he didn't do anything till Part 2 because he was still disgraced since challenging the Third for the title of Hokage. He could've acted to try and become the next Hokage after the Third's death but he's got too much bad rep to make a move. So he allowed the elders to choose Tsunade to become the 5th. Yeah there are times when he would've sent any of ANBU Root to kill Sasuke but he would rather lie in wait till the opportunity presents itself. Now that Tsunade is out of commission and he's the new "Hokagay", he can now do what he wants without any opposition.

And as stated before that he didn't try to harm Sasuke because of Itachi.

In regards to why he never sent 'Root' to kill Sasuke after Sai, it's simple: Sasuke would have slaughtered them. As Hokage, in theory, Danzo could send Kakashi, Naruto and Yamato to take him on. In theory.

Also, considering that Tsunade was Hokage, she wouldn't directly target Sasuke because she placed faith in Naruto's ability to recover him. And Itachi did infact threaten Danzou once he made his appearance in the village... And considering that Akatuski started to stick out a little more, Danzou played his cards right and fell back.

And Tsunade just let Sasuke be, because she believed he wouldn't cause harm to Konoha. Now that Danzou has gained HOkage Status, he can lable Sasuke as a national and perhaps global threat. All he has to do is put the word out to governing villages, and automatically, Sasuke is black listed and is hunted down like the Akatuski.

In regards to why he never sent 'Root' to kill Sasuke after Sai, it's simple: Sasuke would have slaughtered them. As Hokage, in theory, Danzo could send Kakashi, Naruto and Yamato to take him on. In theory.

In theory? According to the spoiler he sent everyone after him or am i wrong and he just sent naruto, kakashi, and some other's after him... there's no theory involved

In theory? According to the spoiler he sent everyone after him or am i wrong and he just sent naruto, kakashi, and some other's after him... there's no theory involved

Well it doesn't matter because without some of the three I listed, their mission will end in guaranteed failure. I used that "in theory" because those are the individuals likely to ignore the order or will seek to circumvent it.

isk, tsk why has this thread to turn out to be some other thread each week...

Anyway, don't know if this is fake spoiler or not but Naruto says/things about Konohas destruction with "this must be all because of me..." hhhmmm hint for him leaving the village for it's sake??? who knows, we will see. One and a half day left...

the only ppl capable of taking on sasuke are.. naruto,kakashi, and yamato thats in konoha... yamato my reasons won't go into them but amaterasu is useless against him for sure.. kakashi can actually beat him if he had more chakra nd naruto would kill him...

Your not the only one. I can say that I agree with both sides... He wanted to get revenge/justice for his clan. Ok, so go ahead; but why did you join up with Oro? If he really wanted to he could have trained to become a hunter nin, but that was the path he chose.

I really wasen't surprized to see Dan calling for his death, we already know that he had root looking for him and was labled for a kill.

Sasuke had a cursed seal that offered more power, and he never requested that Oro bite him it happened in battle, (when Sasuke wiped the Forest of Death with Oro's body). No one in Konoha could remove it, and Kakashi attempted to seal it. The truth for me came in his own words to Sakura, when he walked out of Konoha... "I'm not like you and Naruto." He didn't sneak out or break out. He sought revenge for his clan when no one else in Konoha was concerned with his plight, or what happened to the Uchihas, no shame, nothing. Nin's must never be able to quit in Konoha, thats like wild to me for such a goody goody village.

Sasuke had a cursed seal that offered more power, and he never requested that Oro bite him it happened in battle, (when Sasuke wiped the Forest of Death with Oro's body). No one in Konoha could remove it, and Kakashi attempted to seal it. The truth for me came in his own words to Sakura, when he walked out of Konoha... "I'm not like you and Naruto." He didn't sneak out or break out. He sought revenge for his clan when no one else in Konoha was concerned with his plight, or what happened to the Uchihas, no shame, nothing. Nin's must never be able to quit in Konoha, thats like wild to me for such a goody goody village.

I know all about the cursed seal, and don't forget that there are choices. Sasuke could have chosen to stay and "fight" the curse, he could have even told Naruto and Sakura about his clan being distroyed (He did tell Naruto, but that was after he decided to leave). Sasuke had a choice, but most likly felt that neither Sakura, or Naruto would be able to go as far as he wanted to, in order to complete his "mission".

As for Konoha, and never being able to quit. Your right, it seems really harsh for a "Goody gooody village". I think there might be some more too that, each person had to have done something in order to be named a missin nin. Itachi killed his entire clan. Oro was using forbidden jutsu and testing crap on small children. Kisame was part of a ruthless sword gang and Sasuke attacked a fellow ninja(Naruto) and almost killed him. There has to be some code to be able to leave with out trouble, the Fifth and J-Man left and there was no trouble with them?

I see that the fact Jiriya and Tsunade were able to get up and leave and it not being a problem does say a lot. It also might have to do with the fact that they paid their dues. They fought through so many wars and battles, had students, one which became Hokage and had students of their own. Tsunade was scared over all the death and losing of loved ones, it might have been wise to let her leave on a sabbatical type circumstance. So yeah they leaving is so different from Orochimaru and Saskue.

Orochimaru left after being caught red-handed murdering and experimenting on Konoha shinobi and civilians. Sasuke abandoned the village for revenge, then aligned himself wih the Third's murderer, nearly killed the Fourth's son twice and then joined 'Akatsuki' and pleged revenge against Konoha and her elders.

Yes, these are just like Tsunade and Jiraiya.... Not.

Well as you all are talking about reasons for Sasuke and Oro leaving, I can agree with most people in that they left because of the choices they made. I'm not sure how Oro's parents were killed, but there has to have been something to trigger his hatred for the hidden leaf. With Sasuke, he had a choice to rise above what Itachi did and seek justice the right way but his desire for revenge and thirst for power has blinded him. Even if Oro didn't give him the cursed seal, he would still be jealous of Naruto's growth and that alone would cause him to go to Oro or whoever else in order to obtain power. We've seen already what hatred can do to someone and drive him/her to commit terrible crimes which would breed more hatred from those vicitmized by it. Sasuke, Nagato, Oro, and many others could have chosen a better way and I hate to repeat myself but to be honest, they've dug their own graves when they chose to seek their own kind of justice. And that is exactly what people like Danzou and Madara want.

Tsunade and J-man left the village but they never really quit being Leaf Shinobi. They kind of just retired and decided to travel a bit... peacefully... and after earning the right to do so by fighting in the war and being the backbone of the village for a long time. I figure if a Ninja wanted to quit being a ninja and peacefully live in the village or even travel Konoha wouldn't have a problem with it.

The problem comes when you complete your training then say "Screw you village, I am going my own way to get revenge!" or "Yeah I am one of the three best your village has to offer so you should let me perform genetic experiments on kids and desecrate their corpses!" Neither Sasuke nor Oro left peacefully or for peaceful intentions. That is the key.

And before anyone says Sasuke just walked out so he left peacefully, team Yamato went after him not to kill him but to bring him home. He attacked them which destroys any illusion of peaceful separation he had. Maybe the village was giving him the benefit of the doubt and thought he was manipulated by Oro and could be saved. But after so many attempts at bringing him home he keeps spitting in their faces and turning his back on the village. Danzo was perfectly justified in ordering the death of Sasuke at this point.

Mind you I am not a Sasuke hater by any means. The hit just makes sense and in the end it provides a vehicle for Sasuke to grow stronger. I am still hoping that by the end Sasuke and Naruto become friends again and work together.

Tsunade and J-man left the village but they never really quit being Leaf Shinobi. They kind of just retired and decided to travel a bit... peacefully... and after earning the right to do so by fighting in the war and being the backbone of the village for a long time. I figure if a Ninja wanted to quit being a ninja and peacefully live in the village or even travel Konoha wouldn't have a problem with it.

The problem comes when you complete your training then say "Screw you village, I am going my own way to get revenge!" or "Yeah I am one of the three best your village has to offer so you should let me perform genetic experiments on kids and desecrate their corpses!" Neither Sasuke nor Oro left peacefully or for peaceful intentions. That is the key.

And before anyone says Sasuke just walked out so he left peacefully, team Yamato went after him not to kill him but to bring him home. He attacked them which destroys any illusion of peaceful separation he had. Maybe the village was giving him the benefit of the doubt and thought he was manipulated by Oro and could be saved. But after so many attempts at bringing him home he keeps spitting in their faces and turning his back on the village. Danzo was perfectly justified in ordering the death of Sasuke at this point.

Mind you I am not a Sasuke hater by any means. The hit just makes sense and in the end it provides a vehicle for Sasuke to grow stronger. I am still hoping that by the end Sasuke and Naruto become friends again and work together.

I was just trying to get an understanding of why Sasuke was a bad guy for leaving and I agree that Tsunade and Jiraiya paid their dues but it seems like Tsunade just ran away one day. Yes she's the Grandaughter of royalty, and she should get a pass to go where she wants. Thats where the imbalance comes, for many clans like the Uchiha, they had their royalty too, but they operate under different rules like the rest of the Nin who are nobodies. I understand that Oro killed Sarutobi basically, but not only was Sasukes cursed seal a source of power, it was immature an caused pain when he was in battle as well, Oro had the answer for the illness he gave Sasuke. Yes the power had something to do with him leaving, and yes Sasuke sought revenge, but I saw that as a personal choice, like Tsunade beign afraid of blood, and death and running away. I too await the day where he's friends with Naruto and Sakura again, but he's waay to far gone to ever be a member of team 7 again, maybe he can be like Jiraiya and travel and keep an eye on outside threats to Naruto when he's hokage.

Tsunade and J-man left the village but they never really quit being Leaf Shinobi. They kind of just retired and decided to travel a bit... peacefully... and after earning the right to do so by fighting in the war and being the backbone of the village for a long time. I figure if a Ninja wanted to quit being a ninja and peacefully live in the village or even travel Konoha wouldn't have a problem with it.

The problem comes when you complete your training then say "Screw you village, I am going my own way to get revenge!" or "Yeah I am one of the three best your village has to offer so you should let me perform genetic experiments on kids and desecrate their corpses!" Neither Sasuke nor Oro left peacefully or for peaceful intentions. That is the key.

And before anyone says Sasuke just walked out so he left peacefully, team Yamato went after him not to kill him but to bring him home. He attacked them which destroys any illusion of peaceful separation he had. Maybe the village was giving him the benefit of the doubt and thought he was manipulated by Oro and could be saved. But after so many attempts at bringing him home he keeps spitting in their faces and turning his back on the village. Danzo was perfectly justified in ordering the death of Sasuke at this point.

Mind you I am not a Sasuke hater by any means. The hit just makes sense and in the end it provides a vehicle for Sasuke to grow stronger. I am still hoping that by the end Sasuke and Naruto become friends again and work together.

Well that's all it comes down to. Naruto and Sasuke. Despite everyone's belief that Sasuke can't be saved, Naruto believes he can bring him back and he'd rather be a fool and continue to chase after him than to give up on him and move on. He'd rather be hated and treated like crap from the villagers as long as it's possible for him to save Sasuke without killing him. Yes Danzou's order to kill him is in his way justified but let's not forget that he and the other elders were the ones who plotted the destruction of the entire Uchiha clan. And they did so despite the Third's efforts to bring peace between them. Danzou was also the one who worked with Hanzou in order to assassinate Yahiko, Nagato and Konan because of their desire for peace between the nations and the fear that they would take their positions away from them. So to make this short, Danzou and others are responsible for creating Pein and for making Sasuke the last of an nearly extinct race and bent on revenge.

Oh I agree, Danzou is the worst of the worst and needs to die as well. I was just giving an opinion on why Sasuke and Oro are considered enemies and J-man and Tsunade left peacefully.

Also about the Uchiha, some have made the comment that they were like animals in a zoo. Where does this come from? They were the driving force of Konoha's police, had many members among the Anbu and were well respected by the general population of the city. The Elders of Konoha truly did betray the Uchiha and deserve to be killed for thier crimes, especially Danzou. I think the Uchiha were slighted and should have had a higher station in the city, but I don't think they were really all that mistreated by Konoha with the exeception of Danzou and his crew.

Oh I agree, Danzou is the worst of the worst and needs to die as well. I was just giving an opinion on why Sasuke and Oro are considered enemies and J-man and Tsunade left peacefully.

Also about the Uchiha, some have made the comment that they were like animals in a zoo. Where does this come from? They were the driving force of Konoha's police, had many members among the Anbu and were well respected by the general population of the city. The Elders of Konoha truly did betray the Uchiha and deserve to be killed for thier crimes, especially Danzou. I think the Uchiha were slighted and should have had a higher station in the city, but I don't think they were really all that mistreated by Konoha with the exeception of Danzou and his crew.

It was Madara who said that when he told Sasuke about Itachi. After Madara's defeat by the First Hokage, the 2nd Hokage gave the Uchiha clan status as Konoha's military police force. It was a sign of trust and also to prevent any more rebellion. But overtime the Uchiha clan noticed that they have been sectioned off and that they weren't involved in the politics of the village. There was a lot of mistrust especially with the elders. After the 9 tails attacked the village, the elders thought a Uchiha had caused the fox to attack, so they moved the clan to a remote area in the village and were discriminated until the Uchiha planned a coup de-tat. So it was all due to mistrust on both sides and Danzou's refusal to listen to the Third and his efforts to try and make peace between the two.

I personally doubt that ALL the uchiha's are dead...there should be some in other places but thats not the point. I think that when sasuke left konoha it was to train to get stronger...like naruto left with jiraiya to train and get stronger...Sasuke went with Oro and did the same thing so i think that the elders are categorizing sasuke as a traitor because they fear that sasuke will become too powerful to control...There's no ambitions or anything else. Sasuke wanted to get stronger...elders got scared...made sasuke public enemy number 1. Danzo didn't know how strong sasuke was until he heard he fought the 8 tails...then he knew it was time to kill him...

I personally doubt that ALL the uchiha's are dead...there should be some in other places but thats not the point. I think that when sasuke left konoha it was to train to get stronger...like naruto left with jiraiya to train and get stronger...Sasuke went with Oro and did the same thing so i think that the elders are categorizing sasuke as a traitor because they fear that sasuke will become too powerful to control...There's no ambitions or anything else. Sasuke wanted to get stronger...elders got scared...made sasuke public enemy number 1. Danzo didn't know how strong sasuke was until he heard he fought the 8 tails...then he knew it was time to kill him...

danzou wanted to kill sasuke long before that
remember sai's originall task

That was after sasuke left and the time skip happened. We didn't meet sai or danzo fully as charactars until after the time skip of 2.5 years when sasuke was training with Oro

I had forgot a lot of what Madara had told Sasuke. Thanks for explaining that. I just wonder how many of the villagers other than the Elders and Danzou were aware of what was going on with the Uchiha. Both their plot and the way they were being slighted. It is one of those things that depending on which side of the fence you stand good vs. bad could go eother way.

Because Danzou made the first move and had the clan slaughtered then he is the bad guy, but had he not acted and the Uchiha overthrown the village killing a lot of people in the process then they would have been the bad guy. I still hate Danzou though if nothing else because of the way he used Itachi.

the only ppl capable of taking on sasuke are.. naruto,kakashi, and yamato thats in konoha... yamato my reasons won't go into them but amaterasu is useless against him for sure.. kakashi can actually beat him if he had more chakra nd naruto would kill him...
Yamato is the fucking man!!!

PS: @Neo http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/234/19/ see Zetsu was there if not for Kakashi Akatsuki would already have the nine tailed fox.

Yamato is the fucking man!!!

Lol yeah, give it up for the wood man! He's already started building temporary houses for everyone! Not so easy being the only one to control wood. He should really consider getting married and having kids to keep that line going.

Yamato is a high level Anbu/Jounin, but I didn't peg him as taking Sasuke out, quickly or at all, but anythings possible. Remember though when staying with Oro, Sasuke defeated many shinobi in the dungeon, he just didn't kill them, so he has hella experience people don't give him credit for. Sasuke is beyond Tsukyomi, Amaretsu, and thats it. In his battles he has come off with some uber moves, I agree that not many in Konoha is equal to him, but styles make fights. Some believe that Gai could take him out as well becasue he supposedly can fight against sharingan users, prolly from his battles with Kakashi, but his isn't equal to both eyes of Sasuke, or Itachi in my opinion. Kakashi's a beast, and maximizing everything he can from the one eye, but 2 are ultimately better than 1. "What most people call genius only come off as average to an Uchiha"; I love the attitude, like Byakuya.

^ No one thinks Yamato can take out Sasuke, we just think he has awesome powers and is highly capable.

^ No one thinks Yamato can take out Sasuke, we just think he has awesome powers and is highly capable.

Myth said he believed so, it may be possible, I don't understand how Armaretsu couldn't burn him though.

@Veng, thanks bud, I knew that Zetsu was there, but Sasuke wasn't in cahoots with the Akatsuki, he just left him laying. I don't personally fault Sasuke for that because he was still just trying to leave the Fire Country to go to the Sound and Orochimaru. Naruto just dosen't take no for an answer, but ultimately he will have to. Though they may eventually be friends again from the story Madara told and Sasuke fully believed, I find it hard or impossible to ever be accepted by Konoha and vice versa, they will always think badlly about Sasuke except for Naruto, Kakashi, Sakura, Sai, Shikamaru, Chouji, Kiba, and Neji.

Yamato is a high level Anbu/Jounin, but I didn't peg him as taking Sasuke out, quickly or at all, but anythings possible. Remember though when staying with Oro, Sasuke defeated many shinobi in the dungeon, he just didn't kill them, so he has hella experience people don't give him credit for. Sasuke is beyond Tsukyomi, Amaretsu, and thats it. In his battles he has come off with some uber moves, I agree that not many in Konoha is equal to him, but styles make fights. Some believe that Gai could take him out as well becasue he supposedly can fight against sharingan users, prolly from his battles with Kakashi, but his isn't equal to both eyes of Sasuke, or Itachi in my opinion. Kakashi's a beast, and maximizing everything he can from the one eye, but 2 are ultimately better than 1. "What most people call genius only come off as average to an Uchiha"; I love the attitude, like Byakuya.

To be honest, Gai could kill sasuke, If he decided to give up his life and open the gates and flaming peacock sasukes ass. LOL.

Also possibly LEE could to.

no no but seriously this is the list of people who would beat sasuke without a doubt:

Ino
tenten
Kiba
Chouji
Shino
Hinata
Konohamaru and gang
Haku
Zabuza

Yamato could very well be capable of taking out Sasuke. In their first encounter Yamato wasn't serious (he stated this himself) & wasn't prepared for Sasuke's Raiton Blade. However in a second encounter Yamato would know about Nagashi, Chidori, & his Raiton Blade before hand. Sharingan genjutsu is common knowledge at this point as are Sasuke's Katon. Konoha may already know that Sasuke has learned Amaterasu & Tsukyomi as well sense he attacked Cloud Ninja (sharing information on a mutual enemy is always beneficial for both sides). While the only thing Sasuke knows about Yamato is that he can manipulate wood. Sasuke would also go into it thinking he’d automatically win because of their previous encounter(Sasuke tends to underestimate his opponents which causes him to make mistakes). What Sasuke doesn’t know is that Yamato happens to be the most powerful Doton user shown in this manga who also has high level suiton ability. I’m not saying that Yamato would merc Sasuke easily just that people shouldn’t automatically count him out.

Lol come on now, i hate Sasuke but the kid is Kage lvl in combat capability.

Yamato doesn't have the manga feats to back up a victorie over Sasuke.

To be honest, Gai could kill sasuke, If he decided to give up his life and open the gates and flaming peacock sasukes ass. LOL.

Also possibly LEE could to.

no no but seriously this is the list of people who would beat sasuke without a doubt:

Ino
tenten
Kiba
Chouji
Shino
Hinata
Konohamaru and gang
Haku
Zabuza

You made sense with Gai and giving up his life, but the rest, my response is ... WOOOOOOWWWW, they could beat Sasuke??

To be honest, Gai could kill sasuke, If he decided to give up his life and open the gates and flaming peacock sasukes ass. LOL.

To bad it was all genjutsu. =P

Lol come on now, i hate Sasuke but the kid is Kage lvl in combat capability.

Yamato doesn't have the manga feats to back up a victorie over Sasuke.
Splitting the earth to separate Amaterasu flame says differently. People really shouldn't underestimate his abilities. Kakashi considers him an equal for a reason. Yamato probably won't fight anyone other than Madara anyway & that fight will be epic.

Yamato could very well be capable of taking out Sasuke. In their first encounter Yamato wasn't serious (he stated this himself) & wasn't prepared for Sasuke's Raiton Blade. However in a second encounter Yamato would know about Nagashi, Chidori, & his Raiton Blade before hand. Sharingan genjutsu is common knowledge at this point as are Sasuke's Katon. Konoha may already know that Sasuke has learned Amaterasu & Tsukyomi as well sense he attacked Cloud Ninja (sharing information on a mutual enemy is always beneficial for both sides). While the only thing Sasuke knows about Yamato is that he can manipulate wood. Sasuke would also go into it thinking he’d automatically win because of their previous encounter(Sasuke tends to underestimate his opponents which causes him to make mistakes). What Sasuke doesn’t know is that Yamato happens to be the most powerful Doton user shown in this manga who also has high level suiton ability. I’m not saying that Yamato would merc Sasuke easily just that people shouldn’t automatically count him out.



Actually I believe sasuke would know everything about yamato since oro is the one who messed with yamato's DNA, I doubt oro would have withheld that info from sasuke.

Splitting the earth to separate Amaterasu flame says differently

How so ??

The flames were just sitting there, i would like to see him deal with them if they were coming at his face.

You made sense with Gai and giving up his life, but the rest, my response is ... WOOOOOOWWWW, they could beat Sasuke??

Yea they can beat him easily. nah I was just kidding I was being a sarcastic asshole with the rest, but Gai with the gates and lee with the gates.

I dont think you can keep someone in a genjutsu if you open the gates. The chakra is flowing so fast and its incredibly strong which will destroy your own body.

Actually dont you need chakra to be able to use nin jutsu? If so, doesnt that mean Roc lee could use nin jutsu? But apparently he cant but then why can he use the gates. Makes no sense to me

How so ??

The flames were just sitting there, i would like to see him deal with them if they were coming at his face.
I'm talking about the amount of earth that was moved. No one in this manga is shown capable of doing such a thing. The amount of doton that was manipulated rivals Kisames lake. Yamato would also pwn Tsunade which makes him a Kage level shinobi technically.

Gai, Kakashi, Yamato, and Naruto is the list of whom can even match up with Sasuke then? Please nobody say Kurenai, or Anko, they are barely above Chuunin in my opinion.

I'm talking about the amount of earth that was moved. No one in this manga is shown capable of doing such a thing. The amount of doton that was manipulated rivals Kisames lake. Yamato would also pwn Tsunade which makes him a Kage level shinobi technically

This logic makes no sense.

Tsunade is not a Kage lvl shinobi when it comes to combat ability, please, she doesn't have the manga feats to back that up. She is a legend due to her med skills, and her breasts.

Yamato couldn't even jump in during kn4 Naruto vs Oro because it was too high lvl for him, and Oro fought while sick.

This logic makes no sense.

Tsunade is not a Kage lvl shinobi when it comes to combat ability, please, she doesn't have the manga feats to back that up. She is a legend due to her med skills, and her breasts.

Yamato couldn't even jump in during kn4 Naruto vs Oro because it was too high lvl for him, and Oro fought while sick.

Honestly people don't give Oro his props, but look it, HE"S STILL AROUND and in the mix. After the 3rd took his arms, and Itach/Susanoo supposedly killed him, he still hangs around, I respect that he's a cockroach, they'll still be here when were gone.

I'm talking about the amount of earth that was moved. No one in this manga is shown capable of doing such a thing. The amount of doton that was manipulated rivals Kisames lake. Yamato would also pwn Tsunade which makes him a Kage level shinobi technically.

I had a really high respect for Yamato until the Sora arc in the anime. He was getting pwned by that earth user for quite a while. Not too mention that earth user changed the entire landscape and set traps to an area measured in square miles. Yamato hasn't done anything close to that.

Yamato's only purpose for being in this story is to help control kyuubi. As soon as Naruto becomes capable of controlling it Yamato will be killed. I would like to see him fight madera only to see how he stacks up to shodiame. He prolly doesn't but...

I had a really high respect for Yamato until the Sora arc in the anime. He was getting pwned by that earth user for quite a while. Not too mention that earth user changed the entire landscape and set traps to an area measured in square miles. Yamato hasn't done anything close to that.

Yamato's only purpose for being in this story is to help control kyuubi. As soon as Naruto becomes capable of controlling it Yamato will be killed. I would like to see him fight madera only to see how he stacks up to shodiame. He prolly doesn't but...

1) Filler means nothing, this is the manga section.
2) Agreed, though I doubt he'll be killed so much as become Naruto's exaggerated utility belt.

Yamato will never be obsolete.

The man can spawn houses at will, he can always go into real estate.

Lol come on now, i hate Sasuke but the kid is Kage lvl in combat capability.

Yamato doesn't have the manga feats to back up a victorie over Sasuke.

Please do mention what feat Sasuke has done that is worthy of Kage lvl combat capability.

Oh, I know beaten Naruto. Well at that time Naruto did not want to kill Sasuke in the first place. Naruto did not go all out and anyway, that battle itself doesn't show Kage lvl in combat capability.

Wait, he beaten the snake dude. My bad but wasn't Orochimaru weak as hell at that point. Sasuke attacked by what you would call dirty tactics. It wasn't a full one-on-one fight.

Ok, but you can't forget Sasuke beaten Itachi. One Itachi is sick and second he gave half his power to Naruto. Now it wasn't a fair fight from Itachi's point of view and not to mention Ichigo never wanted to kill Sasuke in the first place. If anything this shows how powerful Itachi is and he is like 1.5 times Kage level or even more.

Hold on, didn't Sasuke beat the Eight-tail guy. Eh, no. He got his a** kicked bad and then deceived by him.

So, Sasuke is no Kage level fighter. Yes, most likely knowing he hasn't beaten/killed anyone proper tough in a one-on-one fight. All Sasuke is good for is beating handicaped fighter who either doesn't want to kill him or sick.

At the moment he is below Kage but stronger than Jonin level fighter. I know he has beaten Deidara (but I would not rate Deidara as Kage level but sub-kage level in the first place).

And the only reason Sasuke won due to the fact Deidara went nuts into showing his "art" is far better and therefore blowing himself up. Sasuke did not kill him but Deidara in a way killed himself (do to his ego about his ability).

It wasn't Sasuke killing him with any amazing tech in the first place.

Please do mention what feat Sasuke has done that is worthy of Kage lvl combat capability.

Oh, I know beaten Naruto. Well at that time Naruto did not want to kill Sasuke in the first place. Naruto did not go all out and anyway, that battle itself doesn't show Kage lvl in combat capability.

Wait, he beaten the snake dude. My bad but wasn't Orochimaru weak as hell at that point. Sasuke attacked by what you would call dirty tactics. It wasn't a full one-on-one fight.

Ok, but you can't forget Sasuke beaten Itachi. One Itachi is sick and second he gave half his power to Naruto. Now it wasn't a fair fight from Itachi's point of view and not to mention Ichigo never wanted to kill Sasuke in the first place. If anything this shows how powerful Itachi is and he is like 1.5 times Kage level or even more.

Hold on, didn't Sasuke beat the Eight-tail guy. Eh, no. He got his a** kicked bad and then deceived by him.

So, Sasuke is no Kage level fighter. Yes, most likely knowing he hasn't beaten/killed anyone proper tough in a one-on-one fight. All Sasuke is good for is beating handicaped fighter who either doesn't want to kill him or sick.

At the moment he is below Kage but stronger than Jonin level fighter. I know he has beaten Deidara (but I would not rate Deidara as Kage level but sub-kage level in the first place).

And the only reason Sasuke won due to the fact Deidara went nuts into showing his "art" is far better and therefore blowing himself up. Sasuke did not kill him but Deidara in a way killed himself (do to his ego about his ability).

It wasn't Sasuke killing him with any amazing tech in the first place.


haha.you really bringing sasuke down. but i do not agree in some points
like itachi giving half his strengt to naruto i didn't read that anywhere.
or maybe i skipped that part.
and sasuke did overclasses itachi as orichmaru said in the new shipuuden episode that just came out and earlyer during the chuunin exams
he pointed out that he had more potential than itachi

Please do mention what feat Sasuke has done that is worthy of Kage lvl combat capability.

Oh, I know beaten Naruto. Well at that time Naruto did not want to kill Sasuke in the first place. Naruto did not go all out and anyway, that battle itself doesn't show Kage lvl in combat capability.

You're right, but this battle wasn't Kage level for Naruto, and both rejected their final jutsu, so Sasuke wasn't going all out either, thats in the manga.

Wait, he beaten the snake dude. My bad but wasn't Orochimaru weak as hell at that point. Sasuke attacked by what you would call dirty tactics. It wasn't a full one-on-one fight.

A weak Oro fought Naruto at 4 tails and walked away, is that small. Additionally, its not dirty if the filthy villian wants to use your body as a vessel. What was he supposed to do, knock on his door and say, "I can't learn anything more from you, lets fight?" Lastly he never asked for a cursed seal when he kicked Oro's ass all over the Forest of Death. Where he fought awesomely.

Ok, but you can't forget Sasuke beaten Itachi. One Itachi is sick and second he gave half his power to Naruto. Now it wasn't a fair fight from Itachi's point of view and not to mention Ichigo never wanted to kill Sasuke in the first place. If anything this shows how powerful Itachi is and he is like 1.5 times Kage level or even more.

No where in the manga does it state that Itachi gave half of his power, and Ichigo never wanted to fight Sasuke at all.

Hold on, didn't Sasuke beat the Eight-tail guy. Eh, no. He got his a** kicked bad and then deceived by him.

He lost the battle, but again he walked away assuming he won.

So, Sasuke is no Kage level fighter. Yes, most likely knowing he hasn't beaten/killed anyone proper tough in a one-on-one fight. All Sasuke is good for is beating handicaped fighter who either doesn't want to kill him or sick.

At the moment he is below Kage but stronger than Jonin level fighter. I know he has beaten Deidara (but I would not rate Deidara as Kage level but sub-kage level in the first place).

And the only reason Sasuke won due to the fact Deidara went nuts into showing his "art" is far better and therefore blowing himself up. Sasuke did not kill him but Deidara in a way killed himself (do to his ego about his ability).

It wasn't Sasuke killing him with any amazing tech in the first place.

Moral victories are huge to you and lots of other people, I'd take a victory walking off the battlefield everyday of the week. When he produced a Katon that changed the weather, I SAID CHANGE THE WEATHER!!! with a jutsu to bring in clouds to produce Kirin is a Kage Level Jutsu, and was stopped by the only known entity that could stop it Susanoo. Just cause those don't like Sasuke, don't bring in your own riff raff, produce real facts, and stop living and dying off of moral victories, and understand when 2 people battle and one walks away when the other party (Naruto, Oro, Deidara) is layed out, swallowed up (Oro), or dead from exhaustion (Itachi), or commits suicide because his jutsu's were inneffective to kill the oppoenent (Diedara); usually the man walking away is called the victor. I won't argue because I don't have, to Sasuke's still in the Manga, and from your list only Killerbee, and Oro inside of Kabuto still walks. I say no to moral victories.

i think sasuke will probarly kill danzo and the village is probarly going to "accept" naruto now and i think that sakura punch was a bit too much too.
also, can someone answer this: since sakura was trained by tsunade, does that make her a sonin like tsunade since she was the current hokage?

i think sasuke will probarly kill danzo and the village is probarly going to "accept" naruto now and i think that sakura punch was a bit too much too.
also, can someone answer this: since sakura was trained by tsunade, does that make her a sonin like tsunade since she was the current hokage?

Sasuke killing Danzou? That will be the first person he ever killed. Besides his older brother. :P

Being trained under a sanin doesn't make someone into a sanin. The people we seen so far is to be Jounin level+

Sakura is not Sanin level. She NEEDS to undergo a lot of development.

i think sasuke will probarly kill danzo and the village is probarly going to "accept" naruto now and i think that sakura punch was a bit too much too.
also, can someone answer this: since sakura was trained by tsunade, does that make her a sonin like tsunade since she was the current hokage?

you mean sannin? and if yes, the answer is NO!

sannin= 3 ninjas, san=three nin=ninja, so even if all sannin die i dont see a point to make new one, becouse than they would call them rokunin,

becouse the fact that sannin died, it doesnt mean they lost their title, its like Minato would lose his Hokage title just becouse he died....so that means there would be more than just 3 sannin, and thats lame, becouse as i said sannin means three ninjas

Yawn! All this Captain Emo sausagegay debating is just plain annoying the hell out of me. The real issue is Gonzo the sith hokage. What else is he planning with root. Is he finally gonna use the funds of the leaf village to get some plastic surgery to fix his face. Then there is aroachymaru. It seems he hasnt gotten stepped on enough and now tobi is gonna try to convince him to rejoin. What is he gonna dangle over his head to make him rejoin? Hmm Hey I know how about sausagegay finally gets deep sixed so aroachymaru can finally get his sharingan and the fantasy of getting inside sausagegay. That way we finally get to have a good fight of sage naruto vs orochimaru without worrying about suckura or "mr. wood" yamoto getting in the way. That could be a fight worth watching.

looks like we'll be seeing sasuke this chapter again with a flashback of itachi... i seriously doubt he'll attack konoha kishi just destroyed it he won't do it again right off the bat if ever.. either sasuke gets shit stomped by naruto or madara catches him nd stops him.

looks like we'll be seeing sasuke this chapter again with a flashback of itachi... i seriously doubt he'll attack konoha kishi just destroyed it he won't do it again right off the bat if ever.. either sasuke gets shit stomped by naruto or madara catches him nd stops him.

I see the flashback as well, and I don't think he attack Konoha but maybe the Elders, do you actually think that Naruto is strong enough to defeat a well rested Sasuke right now?

I doubt Take will make it there anyway, im with Myth i think Madara will stop them. Too early for a Naruto/Sasuke confrontation.

I doubt Take will make it there anyway, im with Myth i think Madara will stop them. Too early for a Naruto/Sasuke confrontation.

I agree but I think Kabuto might stop him as well. Though Madara would make more sense, I am guessing Madara's target(s) will be surprise.

hmm kabuto will only join the akutski cuz he want's revenge sasuke.
orichimaru/ kabuto don't know that madara is still alive

I see the flashback as well, and I don't think he attack Konoha but maybe the Elders, do you actually think that Naruto is strong enough to defeat a well rested Sasuke right now?

Naruto just beat pain.. Pain>itachi itachi>sasuke... hell Pain>sasuke.... yes naruto would mop the floors with him had this not been Shonen, but seeing as it is shonen and Shueisha(sp) makes kishi do w/e they want im sure if they meet now naruto will be dumbed down for sasuke to beat... like he won't use sage mode on him or something else..

I see the flashback as well, and I don't think he attack Konoha but maybe the Elders, do you actually think that Naruto is strong enough to defeat a well rested Sasuke right now?
Nope. Might seem like a flashback from the last time Naruto was exhausted enough to pass out prior to seeing Sasuke in Orochumaru's hideout. Naruto really doesnt need to fight him now. Knowing what Naruto did against Pain gets him much respect, even from Sasuke when he finds out. Sasuke may MS-Tgengutsu him real quick, Naruto goes SM to get out, and gets one good hit in on Sasuke then passes out.

is there anywhere that says there were sannins before jaraiya, tsunade, and oro? or was that title created just for them? is it possible for someone to name team 7 a rank other than the usual ones? say like tsunade on her death bed saying they are special and ranking them above jounin?

Hanzou gave the 3 the rank sanin because they survived a battle with him, its not a official rank.

Yea they can beat him easily. nah I was just kidding I was being a sarcastic asshole with the rest, but Gai with the gates and lee with the gates.

I dont think you can keep someone in a genjutsu if you open the gates. The chakra is flowing so fast and its incredibly strong which will destroy your own body.

Actually dont you need chakra to be able to use nin jutsu? If so, doesnt that mean Roc lee could use nin jutsu? But apparently he cant but then why can he use the gates. Makes no sense to me

Roc Lee situation is like a child born without the proper proteins in the body to develop the right muscles in the legs. They don't have the ability to do things a normal child born with normal legs can do. But the kid born with the lack of proteins can still walk and do things and finds a way around his disabilities.

I had a really high respect for Yamato until the Sora arc in the anime. He was getting pwned by that earth user for quite a while. Not too mention that earth user changed the entire landscape and set traps to an area measured in square miles. Yamato hasn't done anything close to that.

Yamato's only purpose for being in this story is to help control kyuubi. As soon as Naruto becomes capable of controlling it Yamato will be killed. I would like to see him fight madera only to see how he stacks up to shodiame. He prolly doesn't but...

That is an Anime fill in, it never really happened. Sora does not exist in the Manga, just like Yukkimaru, and Guren do not really exist. It is just Anime fill in so that the Anime doesn't catch up to much with the Manga.

If you didn't know Hanzou was the super strong kage of the Rain village, pain's old home. But i predict that the focus will heavily switch to danzo and more politics and less fighting. There's been too much action and i think kishi wants everything to settle before continuing... on other topics...yamato vs sasuke...?yea...as much as i love yamato...almost as much as J-man ide have to go with sasuke. fire should beat wood but im not sure if someone could correct me on that if im wrong ide greatly appreciate it