:eek:I think ive found more information on the Akatsuki leader!!! I was re-reading chapter 260 when i noticed something very interesting....After defecting Itachi's fake Naruto asked kakashi if itachi had used a henge ninjutsu, but kakashi says no explaining it was a special technique used by memebers of the Uchiha Clan; then back at the "hideout" (were gaara's being 'de-demoned') the puppet master ( for lack of real name) say to the leader "the people...your jutsu..." (FYI- he couldnt be talkin to itachi cause itachi wasnt there at that point in time) which makes me wonder...now the leader has to be from Uchiha and maybe his strange eyes are the sharingan..... (showthread.php?t=4752)
Give me some feedback what do you think? Vote Plz...
http://www.geocities.com/dothej/Aleader.jpg
and here's a link to the picture if you can't see it here (http://www.geocities.com/dothej/Aleader.jpg)

That was referencing to the one Itachi used. Basically, Itachi used it, but the leader invented it. But because Itachi used the jutsu, the body impersonated him, thus the clone could use Goukakyuu no jutsu. It is referencing to Itachi, not the leader.

but still if its a jutsu the leader created and also an original of the Uchiha wouldnt that make the leader from Uchiha?

That means nothing. Itachi used the technique, not the leader. And the Grand Fireball is referenced to be the Uchiha original, not the jutsu that they just encountered.

Not that the leader couldn't be an Uchiha, that fact just doesn't prove it.

WTF!!! Read the comic! look up kakashi says right there The goukakyuu jutsu is an Uchiha-original that they like to use, and that was the real thing...read my comic take out over and over sooner or later u'll realize wat im talkin about....

I don't see it.

"The Goukakyuu no Jutsu is an Uchiha-Original. And that was the real thing." It explains that Goukakyuu no Jutsu (Grand Fireball) was an Uchiha original, thats it. However it does show that the guy they were fighting was not using henge.

So either Itachi copied the leader's jutsu or the leader made a clone of Itachi. Whichever.

Itachi was using the Akatsuki special jutsu that lets them control a body and make it look like that body is them. They then control that body and make it do whatever they want exactly how they would do it. When Kakashi said that he was only saying that it wasn't the guy using Henge. It was Itachi controlling him and making him do the Goukakyou with Itachi's power. What you're saying disproves itself with it's own facts.

Next time don't go around around saying, "It is, it is, it is!!!". Make sure your facts are straight and maybe say, "Do you think this could be?". It's really to avoid being an over-cocky dimwit; that's all.

Kakashi meant the fire ball justu, it's uchia original justu, and he was saying the one itachi's clone has used was real one and a replication can't do such thing. and Kisma was talking to the leader about his sacrificaing technique. So don't mess things up. :D

Heh, I love the theories. Put it does make me wonder who the 3rd Uchiha person is? Is it the akatsuki Leader? Itachi says that if he awakens the MK sharingan it will be 3 people who have it or had it. Who is the 3rd person?

You mean second person? Sasuke has the potential to unlock it, Itachi has it, and there is one unknown Uchiha that had/has it. No one knows.....

well anywayz he culdn't be a uchiha leader cause of your silly theory his eyes are a bit swirly and when sasori said "You People" he could be refering to the leaders own clan which is most likely not uchiha clan.

EDIT:: http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/chapter261.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=11169 look at the left panel where the leader is does his eyes look like any type of sharingan? no they dont they almsot resemble kurenai's tho

Yeah..He was refering to the Fireball Jutsu the clone used..

And also I doubt Itachi would allow him to be the leader if he was Uchiha. Seeing Itachi seems to have it out for all Uchiha 'cept Sasuke. Itachi, I don't believe, would be sub-servant to any Uchiha.

Personally I think I will hold off on assuming that he is part of the Uchiha clan, that wasn't enough info in my book.

You know, it is better to post something worthwhile rather than spamming without getting caught.

Oh well, I think the 3rd Mangekyo person might be dead. Can someone post that chapter? I don't know if they said 3 Mangekyo users that are alive... or 3 people that can use Mangekyo.

guesses are great excpessialy when I can get more posts off it cmon. MORE any way how do we now he's the leader he's not callin him master or anything. lol I know I know
u freaken spammer >.<
and he is most likely the leader since he's telling everyone what to do or the leader might be that one freaky guy with the living akatsuki jacket

Itachi said, this is in the anime too, that Sasuke has the potential to achieve the Mangekyou. If he does achieve it then that will make three people that have ever used the Mangekyou.

Kakashi meant the fire ball justu, it's uchia original justu, and he was saying the one itachi's clone has used was real one and a replication can't do such thing. and Kisma was talking to the leader about his sacrificaing technique. So don't mess things up. :D
ok ill go with that...

And also I doubt Itachi would allow him to be the leader if he was Uchiha. Seeing Itachi seems to have it out for all Uchiha 'cept Sasuke. Itachi, I don't believe, would be sub-servant to any Uchiha.
there's always a possiblity that if the guy was/is Uchiha and is "possibly" stronger than Itachi...

voted dont care......but it doesnt matter Naruto and Rock lee are going to own them....yup

voted dont care......but it doesnt matter Naruto and Rock lee are going to own them....yup
If only that were true Rock Lee is strong but is he strong enough, since he was caught so easy in that water prison. On the other hand Naruto was caught in Itachi's genjutsu so the same could be said that he isn't that strong. I really don't care how strong they are just want to see all of them in action.

voted dont care......but it doesnt matter Naruto and Rock lee are going to own them....yuphell yeah go Naruto-sama
If only that were true Rock Lee is strong but is he strong enough, since he was caught so easy in that water prison. On the other hand Naruto was caught in Itachi's genjutsu so the same could be said that he isn't that strong. I really don't care how strong they are just want to see all of them in action.yeah lee might get his ass swiped but remember Naruto is the one that defeated the fake Itachi; and alot of his friends are there and can get hurt, so if sumthin happens u can bet kyuubi's chakra will be flowin! HELL YEAH!!! i can't wait woot woot!!!

hell yeah go Naruto-sama
yeah lee might get his ass swiped but remember Naruto is the one that defeated the fake Itachi; and alot of his friends are there and can get hurt, so if sumthin happens u can bet kyuubi's chakra will be flowin! HELL YEAH!!! i can't wait woot woot!!!
I think that the kyuubi is already coming out, Naruto calls on it whenever he wants judging by that Rasengan. I am wondering what will happen if Naruto really gets upset, because he is already using some of the kyuubi's power will he still be in control after he loses his cool.

I think that the kyuubi is already coming out, Naruto calls on it whenever he wants judging by that Rasengan. I am wondering what will happen if Naruto really gets upset, because he is already using some of the kyuubi's power will he still be in control after he loses his cool. yeah i wonder too; if you remember on the last chapter naruto was runnin faster than the group thinkin about gaara so if he's like that already......wow, can't wait till des boiz start brawlin!!! :cool:

i think its a yes... that guy seems to haf the eyes of an uchiha... its not TOTALLY confirmed that all uchiha members r killed... n... itachi has most of the clues i guess ^^;

well i still think itachi is leader and you know they could be talking to a member. like with a special move.

well i still think itachi is leader and you know they could be talking to a member. like with a special move.

no, i think tat guy" we talking about" is their leader...itachi used his skill n go out to fight rite???if a leader he no need to done it him self....n i think tat guy also no from uchiha clan...because it only say that tat "The goukakyuu jutsu is an Uchiha-original that they like to use, and that was the real thing..." itachi can teach his leader to use it rite???it never said onli uchiha clan can learn it wat.....

Itachi couldn't possibly be the leader..What's so special about him..The Sharingan? He'll run out of chakra if he uses it too much..and then he's fucked..

well i still think itachi is leader and you know they could be talking to a member. like with a special move. itachi isn't the leader; that guy is--what i wanted to hear from pep is if "that guy" is from the Uchiha Clan

well i still think itachi is leader and you know they could be talking to a member. like with a special move.
I think it is highly doubtful that Itachi is calling the shots, since he is taking a very passive role right now in the group.
Itachi couldn't possibly be the leader..What's so special about him..The Sharingan? He'll run out of chakra if he uses it too much..and then he's fucked..
That is one thing special about him, but he seems to have a couple high level jutsu's up his sleeve.
itachi isn't the leader; that guy is--what i wanted to hear from pep is if "that guy" is from the Uchiha Clan
I don't think so, it seems like he has a different type of dojutsu than the sharigan.

Those eyes do not look like the sharingan...

Itachi is special, he can do finger seals, meaning he can use genjutsu with just his finger.

Those eyes do not look like the sharingan...

Itachi is special, he can do finger seals, meaning he can use genjutsu with just his finger. well...um...there is a point to this, but.....

yup !! i also agree with kidistight because at #27 i said aredi...lazy to say again...

no, i think tat guy" we talking about" is their leader...itachi used his skill n go out to fight rite???if a leader he no need to done it him self....n i think tat guy also no from uchiha clan...because it only say that tat "The goukakyuu jutsu is an Uchiha-original that they like to use, and that was the real thing..." itachi can teach his leader to use it rite???it never said onli uchiha clan can learn it wat.....
This is what Venustan said, but I do disagree about him teaching the "leader" something, because they all seem to be very stubborn ninja's that would never want anyone to tell them or teach them anything. I figure they would think that if they don't know it by now then they will learn it on there own, and if they don't learn it on there own then they don't need it.

This is what Venustan said, but I do disagree about him teaching the "leader" something, because they all seem to be very stubborn ninja's that would never want anyone to tell them or teach them anything. I figure they would think that if they don't know it by now then they will learn it on there own, and if they don't learn it on there own then they don't need it.

erm...u r rite but u said tat "if they don't learn it on there own then they don't need it" if they need it" but they dun know maybe other ppl can teach them

erm...u r rite but u said tat "if they don't learn it on there own then they don't need it" if they need it" but they dun know maybe other ppl can teach them
True, but they are so stubborn that they won't learn from them or let them teach them anything.

True, but they are so stubborn that they won't learn from them or let them teach them anything.

do u think they will care about they face when they wan 2 do something improtant???

do u think they will care about they face when they wan 2 do something improtant??? i hate it when i stay off the computer for days but doesn't seem like yall have achieved much; and kidistight, im disappointed....u haven't ended this one yet....

I believe that the 'man', because he could be like that plant dude--inhuman, we are all talking about is the leader. I do not, however, believe he has anything to do with the Sharingan other than Itachi.


I think he is already a Jinchuuriki. Here is a personal theory:
The leader has, and has had for quite some time, a Biyjuu inside of him. This Biyjuu is one of the stronger of the 9 and has completely taken over the Jinchuuriki's mind and body. So now this one Biyjuu is trying to reunite himself with the other Biyjuu and become and ultimate being to take over the world.

For sure ... i think he a missing nin or that thing that zabuza was ..... of the uchiha .....

I believe that the 'man', because he could be like that plant dude--inhuman, we are all talking about is the leader. I do not, however, believe he has anything to do with the Sharingan other than Itachi.


I think he is already a Jinchuuriki. Here is a personal theory:
The leader has, and has had for quite some time, a Biyjuu inside of him. This Biyjuu is one of the stronger of the 9 and has completely taken over the Jinchuuriki's mind and body. So now this one Biyjuu is trying to reunite himself with the other Biyjuu and become and ultimate being to take over the world. wow...u should write ur own naruto manga...

I believe that the 'man', because he could be like that plant dude--inhuman, we are all talking about is the leader. I do not, however, believe he has anything to do with the Sharingan other than Itachi.


I think he is already a Jinchuuriki. Here is a personal theory:
The leader has, and has had for quite some time, a Biyjuu inside of him. This Biyjuu is one of the stronger of the 9 and has completely taken over the Jinchuuriki's mind and body. So now this one Biyjuu is trying to reunite himself with the other Biyjuu and become and ultimate being to take over the world.

but... ...the strongest 1 is kyuubi.,...Naruto haven't die yet...so...???

i hate it when i stay off the computer for days but doesn't seem like yall have achieved much; and kidistight, im disappointed....u haven't ended this one yet....
I know your right, I am not on top of my game right now. :( I will do better next time.

but... ...the strongest 1 is kyuubi.,...Naruto haven't die yet...so...???
Are you trying to say something here?

To your remark of the strongest one is Kyuubi:
Yes he most likely is but one of the other Biyjuu wanted more power so they took over their Jinchuuriki's body and he is now the leader. Trying to obtain all the other Biyjuu so that he can be the strongest one of the 9

but do u think other will let him to clollect all the biyjuu???

Will let whom? The Akatsuki will allow him?

ofcasue not

wonder where or in who the other demons are...

but do u think other will let him to clollect all the biyjuu???
I highly doubt it, because one of the members will be left without one then.

I highly doubt it, because one of the members will be left without one then.

but all those guys r very strong...

I highly doubt it, because one of the members will be left without one then.
That's a thought too....But I doubt a high-ranking uber-strong master-minded Akatsuki would allow for his fellow members to have any of the Biyjuu. I think he is using them to obtain all nine and then they will be put into himself. Greedy b*****

People.......One topic please.

I am not sure that the technique which is used upon Jinchuuriki kills them every time. I mean some people are uberly-strong and could probably withstand the physical stress that the body is put under during the process of taking the Biyjuu out.

People.......One topic please.

I am not sure that the technique which is used upon Jinchuuriki kills them every time. I mean some people are uberly-strong and could probably withstand the physical stress that the body is put under during the process of taking the Biyjuu out. yeah if only that one topic was the original one i created this thread to be about....

about wat???

That's a thought too....But I doubt a high-ranking uber-strong master-minded Akatsuki would allow for his fellow members to have any of the Biyjuu. I think he is using them to obtain all nine and then they will be put into himself. Greedy b*****
Exactly, for the most part all of them are pretty equal in strength, maybe a minor difference here or there, but everyone thinks they have a chance to beat any of the fellow members. If one person gets all the biyjuu's then they won't have a chance to get one of there own as well as beat that member.
yeah if only that one topic was the original one i created this thread to be about....
True. I think the majority agree that the guy talking is the informal leader and that he has no affiliation with the Uchiha clan.

True. I think the majority agree that the guy talking is the informal leader and that he has no affiliation with the Uchiha clan. no, i still beleive he is somehow affiliated with the Uchiha Clan; and the majority of the voters (11 exactly) voted in agreement... but honestly at this point id change the question; rather than from the Uchiha clan...Does the leader have an advanced bloodline coming from the Uchiha Clan? better yet from the noble family? cause if u remember when Neji fought Hinata in the prelim matches before the 3 test of the Chuunin exam; Gai sensei and Kakashi explained how the sharingan actually came from the Byukangan (i kno spellin off...) so maybe another "eye-jutsu" came from it as well; always a possibility....(if, like us, u cant wait for the manga to come out...haha)...Kidistight, or anyone tell me wat u think...

erm...i think if tat akatsuki leader is come from uchiha clan...he may have the shirigan also... ...

I still just think that was a lowsy clean up job and that was just his pupil that got messed up. But it is possible. I guess....

And I think they were comparing Byakugan and Sharingan, not saying that Sharingan came from Byakuugan.

:eek:I think ive found more information on the Akatsuki leader!!! I was re-reading chapter 260 when i noticed something very interesting....After defecting Itachi's fake Naruto asked kakashi if itachi had used a henge ninjutsu, but kakashi says no explaining it was a special technique used by memebers of the Uchiha Clan; then back at the "hideout" (were gaara's being 'de-demoned') the puppet master ( for lack of real name) say to the leader "the people...your jutsu..." (FYI- he couldnt be talkin to itachi cause itachi wasnt there at that point in time) which makes me wonder...now the leader has to be from Uchiha and maybe his strange eyes are the sharingan..... (showthread.php?t=4752)
Give me some feedback what do you think? Vote Plz...
http://www.geocities.com/dothej/Aleader.jpg
and here's a link to the picture if you can't see it here (http://www.geocities.com/dothej/Aleader.jpg)



Good noticing buddy...but you didn't notice everything. I noticed this a long time ago..Look at the LEADER'S EYES. Notice anything?

i c his eyes...but if i have naruto manga book i think i can c it crealy... ...it seem got somethings... someone said tat his(akatsuki leader) is itachi unsle... ...forgot who said tat

I still just think that was a lowsy clean up job and that was just his pupil that got messed up. But it is possible. I guess....And I think they were comparing Byakugan and Sharingan, not saying that Sharingan came from Byakuugan. no i just checked to make sure....and he did compare them a little telling the ability of each, BUT, he also said that in ways the Byakuugan is more advanced than the sharingan and that the sharingan came from Hinata/neji (Byakuugan) clan...

i can remember seeing that also, the Sharingan developed from the Byakugan. Meaning that not only could the leader possibly be Uchiha but he may also be Hyugga which I sincerely doubt

I thought that same thing when I read it. But the Goukakyuu gives it all away. Still though, to have learned that sort of skill and for some of Akatsuki to know it. Call me paranoid, but some sort of Uchiha influence must be playing within that group.

erm...maybe my english is not good then kyoichikamani...i dun know wat ur menas...sorry...

i can remember seeing that also, the Sharingan developed from the Byakugan. Meaning that not only could the leader possibly be Uchiha but he may also be Hyugga which I sincerely doubt not sayin he's of the Hyugga Clan, im sayin his "eye-jutsu" probably came from that clan just as the sharingan came from the Hyugga Clan...

not sayin he's of the Hyugga Clan, im sayin his "eye-jutsu" probably came from that clan just as the sharingan came from the Hyugga Clan...

sharingan come from hyugga clan...?

sharingan come from hyugga clan...? yeah they* (*kakashi and gai---mostly kakashi---) explained it during the prelim fight betweent hinata and Neji...

yup...i think it come from hyuugga clan also...

but i think they were only got a smilily fuction...but didn't same clan...

but i think they were only got a smilily fuction...but didn't same clan... can u phrase this differently? i have no idea wat ur talkin about...

sorry...let me think for a while then i will answer...because me myself also forget wat i'm trying to say...sorry

huh i dont really understand this???? could someone explain?

i think venustan1988 means the eyes of hinata(i forgot it's name) n sharingan r same type n they got some different places...so she don't think hinata's eyes n sharingan r came from the hyuuga clan...
(this is my opinion..)but while kakashi n gai is explaining in the exam of chuunin, i only heard they said those two type of eyes r similar... but they didn't said that these two eyes were camo from the same clan(hyuuga clan)

can u phrase this differently? i have no idea wat ur talkin about...
I believe she was saying they have similar function but aren't the same thing.

that was a simple answer... ot like mine 1...very long...

Didn't they say something when Naruto fought Sasuke that there used to be two great Ninjas used to fight in the exact same spot, for some reason, the Uchiha clan orginator came there, that's what I think.

Back to the subject....maybe the leader has a new type of eyes! Not Byuugaran or Sharingan but a *****gan which stops the time or controls all the element?

Didn't they say something when Naruto fought Sasuke that there used to be two great Ninjas used to fight in the exact same spot, for some reason, the Uchiha clan orginator came there, that's what I think.

Back to the subject....maybe the leader has a new type of eyes! Not Byuugaran or Sharingan but a *****gan which stops the time or controls all the element?
That would be a HUGE advantage if he has that kind of control, to stop time or control all the elements. Your half correct on the first part, there were two great ninjas that fought there once before but it doesn't saying anything about the Uchiha clan.

Back to the subject....maybe the leader has a new type of eyes! Not Byuugaran or Sharingan but a *****gan which stops the time or controls all the element?
if he can control the time...he will use it to catch naruto n kill all the people...

Kishimoto isn't into time bending and floor phasing and uber-cool insane powers. He definitely would not have that as a Doujutsu.

But all I can say about this, and for the last time I will say this seeing this subject is sooo farfetched by now, is that the leader isn't apart, in anyway, of the Uchiha clan. Maybe he has developed some sort of jutsu where he can steal Doujutsu but I don't know.

Kishimoto isn't into time bending and floor phasing and uber-cool insane powers. He definitely would not have that as a Doujutsu.

But all I can say about this, and for the last time I will say this seeing this subject is sooo farfetched by now, is that the leader isn't apart, in anyway, of the Uchiha clan. Maybe he has developed some sort of jutsu where he can steal Doujutsu but I don't know.
Your wasting your time, people are going to ignore yours and mines and just keep thinking he is associated with the Uchiha clan.

Yeah well....I can still try can't I?....

Yeah well....I can still try can't I?....
Yeah I guess we both can still try.

I believe she was saying they have similar function but aren't the same thing. ok im finally back... oh i see wat ur were sayin now...

Yeah I guess we both can still try.
try wat..? try to say anythings...?

To convince you people that the leader isn't Uchiha and the only Uchiha left are Itachi and Sasuke. That's what we are trying.


You convinced yet? :cool:

To convince you people that the leader isn't Uchiha and the only Uchiha left are Itachi and Sasuke. That's what we are trying.

You convinced yet? :cool: didn't say he was Uchihan; just throwin that in there; my main point was that "it" (eye ability) probably decended from the Hyuuga Clan like the sharingan did...

so...is that eye(the akatsuki leader's eyes) is some kind of eyes that same like sharingan but it isn't sharingan...it was born from the hyuuga clan also..?

That's his interpretation, yes. You got it.

I believe that could be possible but still...The probability of that is quite slim. We'd need to know more about how the Sharingan developed out of the Hyuuga to know how this 'doujutsu' was created, if it isn't just his pupils in a bad clean-up job.

sharingan is came from hyuuga clan or other clan...? if t is come from hyuuga clan do u have anything to surport ur answer...?i remember kakashi only said that sharingan is same like hyuuga clan's eyes..(hinata's eyes..)

try wat..? try to say anythings...?
Don't worry about it, not important.
so...is that eye(the akatsuki leader's eyes) is some kind of eyes that same like sharingan but it isn't sharingan...it was born from the hyuuga clan also..?
See what happens when we start throwing ideas out there, now Venus is going to think that it is law because it was said on here, when in fact it is just speculation. We are all just throwing out possible ideas regarding the leader we don't have enough concrete evidence to say he is one clan or another.
sharingan is came from hyuuga clan or other clan...? if t is come from hyuuga clan do u have anything to surport ur answer...?i remember kakashi only said that sharingan is same like hyuuga clan's eyes..(hinata's eyes..)
No actually Kakashi said it comes from the clan, he did state that they are similar but again that they came from each other. I wonder what the first person of that clan looked like, were his eyes just completely different or if one was a partial sharingan and the other completely hyuunga clan.

u like to post all massage together...