PDA

View Full Version : Ukraine Mystery illness


prez420
11-21-2009, 11:00 AM
First back in aug of this a year (2009) Professor Joseph Moshe called into a show saying he had evidence that baxter corp was working on a virus that is linked with the H1N1 vaccine and it was designed to kill millions of people and would start in the ukraine. Not long after that call Moshe was arrested not by a normal police but by a swat team armed with very high tech military grade equipment. The video of his arrest in LA can be found in the following link. Joseph Moshe Arrest video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p46OqT11eC8&NR=1).

Fast forward a couple months later to present day and all over the internet you find rumors of a mystery illness rampaging through the ukraine you can find the link to one of the many stories on the internet here (http://www.matador94.nl/science-health/panic-explodes-as-a-mystery-illness-rips-through-ukraine). This has led many people across the internet wondering why the media of the major countries around the world haven't even so much as mentioned the mystery illness striking the ukraine. WHO is claiming its the H1N1 but the doctors in the ukraine that have tended to these people say the patients have lungs as black as charcoal very much like the pneumonia plague but it seems to spread like the flu. Then just a few days ago prison planet (IBNO) reported about Illinois police holding pneumonia plague outbreak drills, the link to that article can be found here. Prison Planet (http://www.prisonplanet.com/pneumonic-plague-drill-held-in-illinois.html). Running drills for a outbreak of pneumonia plague at this time seem very strange to say the least seeing how the last major outbreak of pneumonia plague was many decades ago. Its sorta like running drills for a polio outbreak. Funny thing is none of the media outlets even mentioned the drills ether.

I just dont understand how the media can flat out ignore something like this unless they are working with the powers that be to make sure the masses don't find out about this new virus until just the right time. I find it very interesting that the prof that got arrested a couple months ago was exactly right about the ukraine being the starting point for this new virus even though we still dont know exactly how the H1N1 vaccine is linked into it.

Anyway vote in the poll and comment on why you voted like you did and what you think is really going on.

Jaxon
11-21-2009, 11:05 AM
Interesting, but I'm incredibly skeptical, as always, about conspiracy theories on the Internet.

prez420
11-21-2009, 11:19 AM
Interesting, but I'm incredibly skeptical, as always, about conspiracy theories on the Internet.


Well its not really a conspiracy theory because the mystery illness spreading in the ukraine is real as was the arrest of the Prof in LA. The only place it gets a dodgy is when it comes to why the media is not reporting on the illness at all and why the government used such over whelming force to arrest a lil old man. It just seems really odd that all of the media is flat out ignoring whats happening in the ukraine when it has the potential to be such a huge outbreak of a extremely deadly new virus. Think about it, this virus spreads as easy as the flu but is as deadly pneumonia plague. I know if I was a news org I would be all over this story because the only way to stop the spread of virus's like this is to make people aware of them. It just doesnt make any sense for the media to ignore this story like they are doing.

Also back when the prof was arrested I passed him off as just some guy that lost his marbles but the outbreak in the ukraine of a deadly new virus just like he said made the hairs on my neck stand on end because it happened exactly how he said it would. Makes you wonder if he got a hold of the plans somehow and couldnt stomach letting millions of people die and decided to release what he knew to the public. This guy wasn't just some Joe blow off the street he was a highly credited scientist that worked with things like this and his word means alot to many in the scientific community.

Jaxon
11-21-2009, 11:22 AM
Yeah, I'm not convinced there even IS a mystery virus. You quote Matador94 as a news source, and that place specialises in bringing hyped-up fantastical bullshit to the waiting Internet masses. The YouTube channel where the arrest video is located is obviously a hub of conspiracy-mongering bullshit. Quote a few more reliable sources, and I might be swayed into thinking this is more than your average Internet scaremongering.

prez420
11-21-2009, 11:43 AM
Yeah, I'm not convinced there even IS a mystery virus. You quote Matador94 as a news source, and that place specialises in bringing hyped-up fantastical bullshit to the waiting Internet masses. The YouTube channel where the arrest video is located is obviously a hub of conspiracy-mongering bullshit. Quote a few more reliable sources, and I might be swayed into thinking this is more than your average Internet scaremongering.


Jaxon thats the problem there is a media blackout on it but I do have another source for ya proving something strange is happening in the ukraine. Bloomberg news is pretty well known and they seem to be the only well known media org that has even taken the time to say something is happening in the ukraine heres their link. Ukraine Mystery Outbreak [Bloomberg] (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aho.pJfVAysE&pos=9)

Jaxon
11-21-2009, 11:48 AM
Okay, cool, that's more believable. With people running for the paracetamol and home remedies, it does sound more like a large outbreak of Swine Flu than a bioweapon, though.

prez420
11-21-2009, 11:54 AM
Okay, cool, that's more believable. With people running for the paracetamol and home remedies, it does sound more like a large outbreak of Swine Flu than a bioweapon, though.


If what the prof said is true then thats what it should look like because according to him it was designed to look like a mutated form of the H1N1 virus. I tend to believe him because what are the chances he would be able to pinpoint the exact country this new virus would break out in if he didnt have some inside info.

Jaxon
11-21-2009, 12:15 PM
I don't know why you'd believe anything like this from the Internet, but hey, that's your call. When we all start coughing up black shit from our lungs, and dying in the streets, I'll know you said it first.

prez420
11-21-2009, 12:40 PM
I don't know why you'd believe anything like this from the Internet, but hey, that's your call. When we all start coughing up black shit from our lungs, and dying in the streets, I'll know you said it first.


I don't exactly believe it but it does make me wonder if its true because way to many things that the government has been doing doesn't make alot sense. Also I didn't post this to set up myself for a I told you so later on. I posted this so people can know whats going on in the world because if this proves anything, it proves that we can only trust each other for info and the media is not a reliable source for the truth. The internet is the great equalizer because all of us people on here are from different parts of the world and can share info. Yeah some of the info can be false but I still believe the info we share with each other is alot more trustworthy than what the media gives us. Plus how can we trust the media when clearly they are hiding this from us.

Lalalila
11-21-2009, 07:02 PM
Media isn't a reliable source, I agree with that in 100% they just manipulate people, I heard even Google is censoring some informations. And Jaxon you can laugh about conspiracy theories but some of them are true.

Jaxon
11-21-2009, 07:59 PM
Media isn't a reliable source, I agree with that in 100% they just manipulate people, I heard even Google is censoring some informations. And Jaxon you can laugh about conspiracy theories but some of them are true.

No, they're not. That's why they're conspiracy theories, and not theories.

Lalalila
11-21-2009, 08:19 PM
No, they're not. That's why they're conspiracy theories, and not theories.

You have weird logic...

rokudaime_hokage
11-21-2009, 08:46 PM
i think he meant the other way around
"that's why they're conspiracy theories and not just conspiracy"
or something like that... wutever you did undestand him anyways
and i think the probabilities are very low on this one..

Jaxon
11-21-2009, 09:56 PM
i think he meant the other way around
"that's why they're conspiracy theories and not just conspiracy"
or something like that... wutever you did undestand him anyways
and i think the probabilities are very low on this one..

Actually, that works a bit better. GOOD JOB!

prez420
11-22-2009, 10:59 AM
i think he meant the other way around
"that's why they're conspiracy theories and not just conspiracy"
or something like that... wutever you did undestand him anyways
and i think the probabilities are very low on this one..


@ roku & Jax Keep thinking this is some sort of conspiracy theory. This black lung illness is very real over 1.5 million in the ukraine has it already and its showing no signs of slowing down.

Here is a clip from a news org named russia today it was made on the 21st of this month yesterday as of this post. Check it out for ure selves. RT News Clip 11-21-09 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CubH_qkSvbk). Make note that this story still hasnt aired on american media yet but I have heard that the media in the UK are talking about it now. I find it pretty Ironic that our media here in the usa is all wrapped in the healthcare bill while they are neglecting a huge public health story as nasty as this black lung illness spreading in the ukraine. I would like to add it only took a few weeks for this illness to spread to 1.5 million people and the ukraine is not a very modern country just think about how fast it will spread if it gets to a more modern country like poland or russia.

Some people are saying its a cross between H1N1 and the flu of 1918 because the flu of 1918 had symptoms very much like what the black lung illness in the ukraine has. I dont really know if that is true or not because if you follow what scientist say then all flu virus's in theory have the same core and they are all simply micro-evolutions of the same core virus. So in theory H1N1 could mutate into a form very much like the 1918 flu. I am not a micro-biologist so i am not really sure how it works I just know that those that have worked on the patients with this black lung illness are saying the black lung illness is killing people the same way the 1918 flu did and that guy Professor Joseph Moshe knew exactly what country this new virus would start in.

Jaxon
11-23-2009, 02:25 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8338835.stm

This is all I there is on BBC. Earlier this month, swine flu.