I was under the impression that Jiraya's focus was on aiding Naruto in controlling the Kyubi's chakra. Can you refer to the page where Jiraya said/implies what you posted about ?

he wanted to train him to control his kyubi chakra yes, but at the same time when he taught naruto the rasengan he left it up to naurto to improve that jutsu, the same way kakshi left naruto to improve his wind manipulation training.

i'll try and find it.

I don't think you're interpreting that right.

Kakashi was the one to mention that the Rasengan was an incomplete Jutsu, not Jiraya if I'm not mistaken. Jiraya wanted to train Naruto/watch over him, not let him figure out his own jutsu/training etc.

actually kishi's TS was not that bad, only naruto lacked sufficient growth, his training in controlling the kyubi chakra didn't work because if it had have done then we wouldn't seen kushina or minato talk to naruto....sad but true

I don't think you're interpreting that right.

Kakashi was the one to mention that the Rasengan was an incomplete Jutsu, not Jiraya if I'm not mistaken. Jiraya wanted to train Naruto/watch over him, not let him figure out his own jutsu/training etc.

they didnt show it in the manga but what i was refering t was when naruto first used odama rasengan on the itachi clone back when akatski were extracting the shukaku from gaara, naruto had a flash back from when he was training with j-man and he told him to improve his rasengan so that he wouldnt have to injure him self each time just to do a normal rasengan, this is y i said what i said and ur right about kakshi he did say his rasengan was incomplete cause the fourth couldnt put his wind element into the rasengan, but that still left naruto to figure out a way to do it on his own cause kakashi wasnt able to help with that part of the training.

only naruto lacked sufficient growth

You must be joking.

Only Naruto lacked sufficient growth ?

I guess that other rookies whom had nearly no development, were pretty much useless ( with the exception of Shino and Shika ) count as sufficient growth.

his training in controlling the kyubi chakra didn't work because if it had have done then we wouldn't seen kushina or minato talk to naruto....sad but true

And here in lies the problem.

Jiraya, a Shinobi with a deserved array of jutsu taught Naruto for 2.5 years. All Kishi had Naruto learn was how to better use the Kyubi, get a bit better in genjutsu defense and new rasengan.

Sorry, but that a good story does not make.

they didnt show it in the manga but what i was refering t was when naruto first used odama rasengan on the itachi clone back when akatski were extracting the shukaku from gaara, naruto had a flash back from when he was training with j-man and he told him to improve his rasengan so that he wouldnt have to injure him self each time just to do a normal rasengan, this is y i said what i said and ur right about kakshi he did say his rasengan was incomplete cause the fourth couldnt put his wind element into the rasengan, but that still left naruto to figure out a way to do it on his own cause kakashi wasnt able to help with that part of the training.

This still doesn't give any proof of your comment regarding Jiraya wanting Naruto to figure his own way.

^ how so j-man told naruto that he had to come up with a better way to use the rasengan so that he wouldnt get injued in the process. how does that not help naruto to figure things out for himself

^ how so j-man told naruto that he had to come up with a better way to use the rasengan so that he wouldnt get injued in the process. how does that not help naruto to figure things out for himself

Because that never happened in the manga, it was anime filler. Naruto went on a journey with Jiraya to learn, while Jiraya wanted to protect him until he was ready to fight the incoming battles ( then ) himself.

The person who told Naruto to figure things out was Kakashi during wind training, Jiraya never said that.

^ how so j-man told naruto that he had to come up with a better way to use the rasengan so that he wouldnt get injued in the process. how does that not help naruto to figure things out for himself

He never said that the Rasengan was injuring Naruto. The only time that was brought up was when Naruto used the Rasenshuriken for the first time on Kakuzu, before he learned to mold Sage chakra around it to throw it. And it was Tsunade that said it, not Jiraya. She pointed out that the needles that the Rasenshuriken releases on impact backlashed onto Naruto's arm when he had to hold the jutsu in his hand. She labeled it a kinjutsu and said he shouldn't ever use it again.

Because that never happened in the manga, it was anime filler. Naruto went on a journey with Jiraya to learn, while Jiraya wanted to protect him until he was ready to fight the incoming battles ( then ) himself.

The person who told Naruto to figure things out was Kakashi during wind training, Jiraya never said that.

ok but that still suggest that naruto should learn to do things on his own.

He never said that the Rasengan was injuring Naruto. The only time that was brought up was when Naruto used the Rasenshuriken for the first time on Kakuzu, before he learned to mold Sage chakra around it to throw it. And it was Tsunade that said it, not Jiraya. She pointed out that the needles that the Rasenshuriken releases on impact backlashed onto Naruto's arm when he had to hold the jutsu in his hand. She labeled it a kinjutsu and said he shouldn't ever use it again.

when naruto first did the rasenga on kabuto back in part one naruto took a kunai to the hand which injured him this is what im talking about by he gets injured the only way naruto could do the rasengan then was to get caught by the enemy in someway then do the rasengan while the enemy was caught.

when naruto first did the rasenga on kabuto back in part one naruto took a kunai to the hand which injured him this is what im talking about by he gets injured the only way naruto could do the rasengan then was to get caught by the enemy in someway then do the rasengan while the enemy was caught.

Lol wow, dude you are so off.

Naruto did that to prevent Kabuto from escaping, not because it was the only way he could perform rasengan. He didn't even get a successful one off before that point.

when naruto first did the rasenga on kabuto back in part one naruto took a kunai to the hand which injured him this is what im talking about by he gets injured the only way naruto could do the rasengan then was to get caught by the enemy in someway then do the rasengan while the enemy was caught.

Then that was Naruto being Naruto and not planning ahead. It wasn't the jutsu itself that hurt him, but an outside factor that he didn't take into consideration. After that fight you would notice that Naruto did a lot of distractions with his shadow clones so he could use the Rasengan without letting his opponent realize what he was doing.

^ yeah i know that but i refering to that point in time how he couldnt hit a person with rasengan other then that way.

^ yeah i know that but i refering to that point in time how he couldnt hit a person with rasengan other then that way.

It was an incomplete Rasengan anyway. Kabuto even points out that it dispersed just after hitting him and did less damage than it should have.

yeah i know i remeber, naruto is better at using the rasengan now then in part 1.

You said they attained god mode, which is incorrect. Oh my, a character getting stronger to face the troubles ahead, that has never happened before in any other manga...
Actually what I said is actually correct. Dramatic powerup equates god status. You're just acting like a little bitch at this point Drag.

YNo, you're claiming that Claymore is superior, while at the same time making baseless critiques. You aren't even up to date on the story, thus you have no basis for comparison.
Ok Claymore is a superior manga because unlike One Piece it is about demons that eat human guts & brains that get hunted by chicks wielding huge arse swords with one hand.

Claymore is superior because unlike One Piece limb dismemberment & beheading happens on a regular basis.

Claymore is superior because unlike One Piece pretty much no character is fully protected by plot.

Claymore is superior because unlike One Piece it has nudity.

You bitching about o you're not update on One Piece so you can't say that is the remark of a rabid fan whose simply acting like a bitch because I disagree with them about something.

This just goes to show how much you don't know about OP.
So One Piece doesn't star a goofy looking main character who wants to be pirate king & wears a straw hat while his body is also a complete ripoff of Mr fantastic?

Luffy dodged bullets before time skip, so did Zoro at point blank range in the SA arc. And you still didn't understand the purpose of that scene, how surprising. Luffy could have just let the bullets bounce of his body due to his DF, but Oda had him simply side step it in order to show that he now possesses Kenboshoku Haki.
1. Talking about Luffy not Zoro.

2. I do understand the point which is what you don't understand & seem to be ignoring. Luffy was shown leaning back effortlessly to dodge a bullet because he was using Zenshoku Haki which allowed Luffy to anticipate what was about to happen before it actually happened. Luffy then used Rinneshoku Haki to blast everyone away which is again something Luffy couldn't do 5 chapters ago. Like I said he became Neo & reached a god status.

Again, I'm simply debating your baseless claims. You don't read the manga and yet talk about as if you know whats going on.
I use to read it like I've said repeatedly. I don't need to read an entire story to know it's not the greatest thing ever made. My claims are clearly based on what I find to be entertaining to me. So yes Claymore is superior to One Piece for reasons I listed before.

I don't care if you don't like it, but I will debunk the points you're trying to convey based on shit info.
Actually you haven't debunked anything & have been bitching like a 5 year old while repeating the same thing over & over which is o you haven't read every chapter so you don't know hardarhar.

Cry moar rabid fan?

Actually you need to know something quite well in order to contrast it with something else in order to come to coherent conclusions.
Problem is I know One Piece well enough to know that what I'm saying about Claymore being superior is clearly the case. Since you know Claymore appeals to me while One Piece clearly doesn't.

Otherwise you're just talking out of your ass. I compare OP to other manga only when I've read both in their entirety/up to current events.
Again Cry Moar? Death Note was also allot better than One Piece FYI.

Indeed it isn't relevant, not now anyways. Since you have made it pretty clear that you don't know jack about OP, claiming that you've read this arc, that arc would be hard to believe.
What do you want me to write a 5 page essay on the Arcs of One Piece that I have actually read? Again you're basically doing nothing but repeating the same thing Drag which is o you haven't read every chapter so you don't know hardarhar. Seriously get over it dude One Piece really isn't all that great to be considering it the best shounin eva.

And I can show you pages with great detailed drawing that he made in the series. I see that you're mostly referring to some of the pirates that look weird, well that is his style. He relates all characters to an attribute and sticks to it.
O so now it's just his style to draw weird looking pirates? You just agreed to my point so moving on.

Hardly looneytoonish as you put it.
That's just how I perceive it. Loonytoneish is what comes to mind when seeing Oda's art style.

Your ignorance is amusing
Your 5 year old tantrums of repeating the same thing is also amusing. I've been secretly laughing at you ever since you started to through a hissy fit over my small comment.

OP has never deviated from the main plot line. It has gone on for so long because Oda actually cares to give the fans info,
Info that isn't necessary for the main focus of the story to progress. Meaning he's deviating from the main plot of the story. This is a really simple concept to understand Drag.

which more than you can say for the likes of Kishi.
I'm not defending Kishi though you idiot. In fact I've been bashing the shit out of him consistently for well over a year.

Every SH has had an arc dedicated to themselves, with all the back ground info the fans could ask for.
So you just admitted to Oda adding in unnecessary arcs to show pointless background that isn't actually needed for the sake of pleasing fans then right? Do you know what that's called? Say it with me now "fan service".

Those arcs were also tied in with the main plot and state of the world in that manga.
But they weren't all necessarily needed for the progression of the main plot. Which you basically just admitted to earlier in this post.


You call me an obsessed fan, more like a fan who is debunking your crappy claims.
Again you haven't debunked a thing & have actually fucked yourself up in this post as I pointed out already.

Says the guy who doesn't know a thing about OP, making baseless assumptions is an easy thing ain't it.
Read above & stop repeating the same thing.

If I don't know a thing about OP then why is it that I know that the main character is named Luffy & that his original power set is a bit off of Mr. Fantastic from Marvel Comics Fantastic Four? See I just proved you wrong by showing you that I do in fact know at least some thing about OP(sarcasm).


Did I state that i believe that in anytime ?

I suggest you read more carefully, I mentioned that this is the last leg of the story,
Last leg of the story implies that you believe it'll be ending soon.

the final sea NW. Not that the manga is about to end. 800, make that another 600. The manga is great, people wouldn't mind it lasting that long still.
O & this manga going on for another 600 chapter isn't a clear sign of it being prolonged to make money? Anyway you basically agreed to my point about how this manga is a cash cow so we can move on.

Read the latest interview with Oda.

One piece isn't dragging out, it is being told in the correct manner an epic manga like should be told. With development.
OMFG you're hilarious. First you say One Piece can last another 600 chapters cause it's tha best manga eva then have the nerve to make a claim that One Piece ISN'T being dragged out? Really now drag grow a brain & stop acting like an obsessed fanboy will you.

Lol, wow.

People bitch about authors that don't explain anything about their stories. And here you are, trying to slam a guy who does.
I actually bitch about how authors create unnecessary arcs to explain things that really don't need explaining all the time. So yes I will slam him for doing it since it becomes pointless deviation for the main focus of the story after awhile.

I'm beginning to believe you're bashing One Piece simply because someone gave you the impression that it is a cool thing.
& that would make you an idiot because I've actually defended One Piece in the past & have recommended it to people looking for different manga. I simply don't agree with your clearly baseless Claim that One Piece is the best Shounin eva. Cry moar fanboy cry moar.

wow that was a lot of reading.

Actually what I said is actually correct. Dramatic powerup equates god status. You're just acting like a little bitch at this point Drag.


The power ups Luffy and crew attained are no where near god status, given the parameters of the manga.

Lol, Drag ?

When the petty insults start flying it signifies a lack of argument, not that its surprising at this point.

Ok Claymore is a superior manga because unlike One Piece it is about demons that eat human guts & brains that get hunted by chicks wielding huge arse swords with one hand.
Claymore is superior because unlike One Piece limb dismemberment & beheading happens on a regular basis.
Claymore is superior because unlike One Piece pretty much no character is fully protected by plot.
Claymore is superior because unlike One Piece it has nudity.

You bitching about o you're not update on One Piece so you can't say that is the remark of a rabid fan whose simply acting like a bitch because I disagree with them about something.

I never criticized your taste in manga, I simply debunked the weak argument based on no knowledge you were putting up.

So One Piece doesn't star a goofy looking main character who wants to be pirate king & wears a straw hat while his body is also a complete ripoff of Mr fantastic?

An airhead hero who is a genius at battle, man that has never happened in a Shonen before. Lol, truly amusing these babbling of yours. Reducing One Piece to just Luffy, and Luffy's character to just that is yet another testament of you not knowing anything about it.

I do understand the point which is what you don't understand & seem to be ignoring. Luffy was shown leaning back effortlessly to dodge a bullet because he was using Zenshoku Haki which allowed Luffy to anticipate what was about to happen before it actually happened. Luffy then used Rinneshoku Haki to blast everyone away which is again something Luffy couldn't do 5 chapters ago. Like I said he became Neo & reached a god status.

I see you read the latest chapter, then after a quick stop at wiki you came back here to try and give the impression that you know what you're saying, with the witty nick names and what not. I must say however that you again got things wrong.

You think what Luffy did was god lvl OP feats ?? Lol.

Characters were using mantra at a much higher lvl than Luffy several arcs ago, Haoshoku Haki is nothing but a status thing that only overwhelms fodder. It too was being used at a much higher scale several arcs ago.

Seriously, why must you continue to signify that you don't know what you're saying ?

Problem is I know One Piece well enough to know that what I'm saying about Claymore being superior is clearly the case. Since you know Claymore appeals to me while One Piece clearly doesn't.

Yeah, so far your arguments really don't give that impression.

What do you want me to write a 5 page essay on the Arcs of One Piece that I have actually read? Again you're basically doing nothing but repeating the same thing Drag which is o you haven't read every chapter so you don't know hardarhar. Seriously get over it dude One Piece really isn't all that great to be considering it the best shounin eva.

No need for that, you already it made your lack of knowledge pretty clear.
When did I say its the best Shonen ever ?

O so now it's just his style to draw weird looking pirates? You just agreed to my point so moving on.

No agreeing here.

I mentioned that some pirates are weird looking, which is probably why you classify it as looney toon like, yet you apparently blatantly ignore the rest of the cast/world etc.

Info that isn't necessary for the main focus of the story to progress. Meaning he's deviating from the main plot of the story. This is a really simple concept to understand Drag.


Not necessary ?

BG on the characters and their dreams, which later he ties to the plot are not necessary ?

I must say, your view on story telling is pretty simplistic.

I'm not defending Kishi though you idiot. In fact I've been bashing the shit out of him consistently for well over a year.

I don't recall ever saying that you were defending Kishi.

But they weren't all necessarily needed for the progression of the main plot. Which you basically just admitted to earlier in this post.

I'm admitting things now ? News to me that is.

If I don't know a thing about OP then why is it that I know that the main character is named Luffy & that his original power set is a bit off of Mr. Fantastic from Marvel Comics Fantastic Four? See I just proved you wrong by showing you that I do in fact know at least some thing about OP(sarcasm).

You give me info from the first chapter of the series, oh my what a giant bank of knowledge you possess.

Last leg of the story implies that you believe it'll be ending soon.

No. I'm using Oda's own words, this is the final sea, the last leg of the story. I didn't mention anything on when I think it will end.

OMFG you're hilarious. First you say One Piece can last another 600 chapters cause it's tha best manga eva then have the nerve to make a claim that One Piece ISN'T being dragged out? Really now drag grow a brain & stop acting like an obsessed fanboy will you.

There is a big different between dragging out something, and doing something properly. unfortunately you appear to not be able to tell the difference.

naruto has become a discusion for claymore. hurry back naruto we need hury back already.

naruto has become a discusion for claymore.

It happens when Kishi infects us with his gay ass character then takes a break for reasons we don't know/give a shit about.

hurry back naruto we need hury back already.

Nono, stay away Naruto until your idiot of a writer can actually make a chapter that makes sense.

yeah i know but it seems like claymore is a popular manga, maybe i should start reading it.

The power ups Luffy and crew attained are no where near god status, given the parameters of the manga.
You said this already & I disagree. Dramatic powerup equals god mode/status.

Lol, Drag ?

When the petty insults start flying it signifies a lack of argument, not that its surprising at this point.
Actually when calling you Drag I meant it as short for Dragoro since I didn't feel like spelling out your full name. Why did you think I was trying to imply that you're a Drag Queen or that your post Drags or something? Getting a little defensive there aren't Drag?

I never criticized your taste in manga, I simply debunked the weak argument based on no knowledge you were putting up.
So you agree with everything I just mentioned as to why I think Claymore is superior then? Since you know you obviously didn't make any type of effort what so ever to even discredit my claims you're now by not responding basically saying that I am correct then? Thank you & have a nice day.

An airhead hero who is a genius at battle, man that has never happened in a Shonen before. Lol, truly amusing these babbling of yours.
What is amusing is that you just admitted to Luffy not really being an original type of hero. What is amusing is that you seem to assume that every single shounin hero is portrayed in this way (they aren't). This little statement of your really doesn't help your case at all.

Reducing One Piece to just Luffy, and Luffy's character to just that is yet another testament of you not knowing anything about it.
Again with the not knowing bullshit. Seriously is Luffy not the star of the manga? What exactly is wrong with me judging a manga based on its star? Usopp is also annoying as is chopper whatever, & Franky. The only real interesting characters on One Piece are Zoro & Nami. Sanji is ok because he's kind of a perv but he can get annoying at times as well.

I see you read the latest chapter, then after a quick stop at wiki you came back here to try and give the impression that you know what you're saying, with the witty nick names and what not. I must say however that you again got things wrong.
Actually I didn't go to Wiki.

You think what Luffy did was god lvl OP feats ?? Lol.
Compared to what he use to be capable of yes it was god level feats.

Characters were using mantra at a much higher lvl than Luffy several arcs ago, Haoshoku Haki is nothing but a status thing that only overwhelms fodder. It too was being used at a much higher scale several arcs ago.
Characters that aren't Luffy which makes your defense on this issue completely irrelevant since you know I'm talking about Luffy.

Seriously, why must you continue to signify that you don't know what you're saying ?
Must you continue to cry like a 5 year old by simply saying the same thing over & over again?

Yeah, so far your arguments really don't give that impression.
Cry moar rabid fan.

No need for that, you already it made your lack of knowledge pretty clear.
Still repeating the same thing are we?

When did I say its the best Shonen ever ?
O wait my mistake you didn't say that KillerNN did. When I quoted his post by saying that Claymore was better you started acting like a little bitch & going on a rant. Which I guess is why I assumed that you agreed with KillerNN.


No agreeing here.
Cry Moar you already agreed without realizing it.

I mentioned that some pirates are weird looking, which is probably why you classify it as looney toon like, yet you apparently blatantly ignore the rest of the cast/world etc.
See you agreed again that they look weird. Moving on.

Not necessary ?

BG on the characters and their dreams, which later he ties to the plot are not necessary ?
Are you starting to get my point yet? The main focus of the story is about how Luffy becomes Pirate King. Anything that does not focus on this aspect of the story clearly isn't necessary for the plot to advance.

I must say, your view on story telling is pretty simplistic.
Please you complain about the same exact shit in Naruto. You're simply defending when One Piece does it because you're a fan of the manga.

I don't recall ever saying that you were defending Kishi.
Then why would you make a One Piece/Naruto comparison when I'm not even talking about that manga? Naruto is trash & has pretty much always been trash. I mentioned this earlier in this thread & a number of times in many other threads. Comparing One Piece to Naruto isn't going to help prove your case at all.

I'm admitting things now ? News to me that is.
Well now you're just acting retarded.


You give me info from the first chapter of the series, oh my what a giant bank of knowledge you possess.
Repeat Drag. Cry Moar.

No. I'm using Oda's own words, this is the final sea, the last leg of the story. I didn't mention anything on when I think it will end.
Again last leg implies ending.

There is a big different between dragging out something, and doing something properly. unfortunately you appear to not be able to tell the difference.
It's the same. Both are dragging out a story. What is different is whether or not its executed properly or not. However it doesn't change the fact that the story is being dragged out for the sake of making money. What is really said is that you can't seem to understand this.

Woah, I'm not in this. I never read Claymore, so I'm going to change what I said until I have.


OP reigns supreme over all other Shounen I have read. (Everything. Even shit I haven't read)

Woah, I'm not in this. I never read Claymore, so I'm going to change what I said until I have.


OP reigns supreme over all other Shounen I have read. (Everything. Even shit I haven't read)

he u ever read the manga 07-ghost.

You said this already & I disagree. Dramatic powerup equals god mode/status.

It doesn't change the fact that you're completely wrong given the parameters of power lvl on Op.

Actually when calling you Drag I meant it as short for Dragoro since I didn't feel like spelling out your full name. Why did you think I was trying to imply that you're a Drag Queen or that your post Drags or something? Getting a little defensive there aren't Drag?

I must say, I've gained new found respect for KYF. I thought he was childish with the name calling, but you are certainly leaving him in the dust.

So you agree with everything I just mentioned as to why I think Claymore is superior then? Since you know you obviously didn't make any type of effort what so ever to even discredit my claims you're now by not responding basically saying that I am correct then? Thank you & have a nice day.
See you agreed again that they look weird. Moving on.
You're so desperately trying to twist my words to get some sense of victory, and you're doing a piss poor job at it.

I didn't agree to anything nor did i claim anything regarding which is the better manga, but you can think anything you like to make yourself feel better.

What is amusing is that you just admitted to Luffy not really being an original type of hero. What is amusing is that you seem to assume that every single shounin hero is portrayed in this way (they aren't). This little statement of your really doesn't help your case at all.

When did I assume that all Shonen protagonists are like Luffy ? You are imagining things.

Again with the not knowing bullshit. Seriously is Luffy not the star of the manga? What exactly is wrong with me judging a manga based on its star? Usopp is also annoying as is chopper whatever, & Franky. The only real interesting characters on One Piece are Zoro & Nami. Sanji is ok because he's kind of a perv but he can get annoying at times as well.

Because OP doesn't revolve around Luffy alone, there several plot lines that happens without him being involved and characters that have their own unique stories to tell, all that contributes to the story.

Actually I didn't go to Wiki.

Sure you didn't. I mean you only completely miss the point of the scene between Luffy and Demalo, and later came in talking about the Haki aspect. That does not at all implies that you didn't know about it then, and came here only after doing a search on it.

Compared to what he use to be capable of yes it was god level feats.

You definitely don't know what god lvl is in OP.

Characters that aren't Luffy which makes your defense on this issue completely irrelevant since you know I'm talking about Luffy.

You claimed Luffy gained god lvls, meaning that in order for that to be true you must contrast it against other power lvls in the manga. And in doing so, those whom actually read OP know that he isn't god lvl.

Must you continue to cry like a 5 year old by simply saying the same thing over & over again?
Cry moar rabid fan
O wait my mistake you didn't say that KillerNN did. When I quoted his post by saying that Claymore was better you started acting like a little bitch & going on a rant. Which I guess is why I assumed that you agreed with KillerNN.
Cry Moar you already agreed without realizing it.

Well now you're just acting retarded.
Repeat Drag. Cry Moar.

I'm acting like a 5 year old ?

Still repeating the same thing are we?

Its the truth regardless.

Are you starting to get my point yet? The main focus of the story is about how Luffy becomes Pirate King. Anything that does not focus on this aspect of the story clearly isn't necessary for the plot to advance.

Actually no. As Oda put it in an interview long ago, OP is about the love of the adventure and pursuing dreams. Every SH has a dream of their own and are sharing the journey to those dreams together, Luffy's dream is Unique to him and that is it.

Therefore everything that explains the character's Bgs, the things they suffered and what they want to accomplish is relevant.

Please you complain about the same exact shit in Naruto. You're simply defending when One Piece does it because you're a fan of the manga.

?

I'm complaining that Kishi gives tons of info on all characters and events? Where did you get that from ?

In fact my complaint is just the opposite. Kishi doesn't elaborate on anyone that isn't Naruto/Sasuke in depth, he doesn't use his cast nor does he explains things like KKGs/transplants/Clans etc.

Then why would you make a One Piece/Naruto comparison when I'm not even talking about that manga? Naruto is trash & has pretty much always been trash. I mentioned this earlier in this thread & a number of times in many other threads. Comparing One Piece to Naruto isn't going to help prove your case at all.

You're the one who thought I was trying to make it as though you were defending Kishi, not me.

Again last leg implies ending.

Not in this context.

When you 2 ladies are done, would you like to get back to the topic?

When you 2 ladies are done, would you like to get back to the topic?

Are you so eager to get back to armadillo dicks and uneventful Shinobi encounters ?

Seriously Veng, Luffy might be considered God-Level compared to other mangas (because he is that badass) but he is nowhere near God level in OP. WB, Enel, Admirals, etc. are near God-Level.

BOT: kael, OP has been the topic. Shut up. :p

maybe not that but there are somethings that still left open for discussion.

maybe not that but there are somethings that still left open for discussion.

Naruto is a dick lover, Madara is fail, Kabuto isn't doing anything that Orochimaru already didn't, Sasuke is MIA, Deidara and Ounoki did 0 and the rest is boring...

*big yawn*

Are you so eager to get back to armadillo dicks and uneventful Shinobi encounters ?

No, but I'm tired of watching you and Veng bitch like a couple of women. I wouldn't be surprised if hair pulling and scratching comes into play.

BOT: kael, OP has been the topic. Shut up. :p

OP may be the topic, but this fighting over "God Mode/Neo status" is retarded. Both parties have their own opinion on the matter and nothing the other will say will change that. They need to unbunch their panties and man the fuck up.

No, but I'm tired of watching you and Veng bitch like a couple of women. I wouldn't be surprised if hair pulling and scratching comes into play.

If you're tired you can simply ignore the conversation currently going on and go do something else.

im ignoring the conversation it seems like a waste of time. i rather talk about bleach manga any spoilers up yet.

/facepalm /facepalms

facepalms are awesome lmao.

^^^^ Damn. At all of that stuff above.

anyone got any predictions for the next One Piece?

OOPS this is a NARUTO forum, i forgot since entire pages have been fussing about OP.

look whatever Manga you( people in general) like you will defend EVEN if it is similar to the manga you don't like. That,s just how it is.

Me i like Bleach, Naruto and Appleseed.

BUT i do realize that Ichigo kinda sux in the aspect that he is not well rounded as a soul reaper(no Kido,or whatever the spells are) UNLESS he can do that now haven't read it in a minute.
I realize that the writing for Naruto(in my opinion) was better in part 1. Also Naruto should be way more mature by now and less whatever he is right now.
But i still like both with or without their flaws. I mean IF Naruto(the Manga) were perfect, what the hell would or Predictions and fan ficts be about?!

But i still like both with or without their flaws. I mean IF Naruto(the Manga) were perfect, what the hell would or Predictions and fan ficts be about?!

I don't quite follow your logic...

Those wallz of text argument and counter arguments really hurt ma eyes. I couldnt read so I jumped over them.

I enjoy Naruto too once every while, when Kishi isn't sucking ass.

Which is all the time. And Bleach? That manga is stupid as fuck, the writer is stupid as fuck, and the characters are stupid as fuck. (At least they were all developed though. Kinda. In a shitty way.)

ONE PIECE IS FUCKING AWESOME.

cpas


@ Vengenace- seriously dude, if OP doesn't suit your taste then fine, but don't knock it. The story line is great, and the fights are memorable. I find it a little puzzling that you think Luffy is Loony Toonish, but you read Fairy Tail, and Natsu isn't all that different.

As for the story being drawn out, give an example. What particular story arc was put it there that was unnecessary to the story line. The thing is there is none, because every arc expanded on the characters in someway or drew in new elements to the story. It may very well continue to chapter 800, and I wouldn't care less. In fact I would enjoy it. As long as the story is entertaining, then what's the problem? It could go to 1000 chapters as long as it's done right.

You think claymore is cool because it's has blood, gore, and nudity, then that's just your taste. I've never read it, but I read Gantz, and I'm sure it can't be as hardcore as that. The thing is you can't say one is better then the other unless your comparing then strictly by the quality of the writing or the detail of the drawing. Comparing Nudity/Gore/Dismemberment, to "Loony Toonish" styles is a matter of subjectivity. It's just your OPINION of whether you like it or not, not the FACT that it isn't good at all.....which it is.

The character related scheme in Bleach seriously lacks any depth.

The Captains were the top echelon of power, and that is about all that there is to them. We got some bg info on Hits, Kenpachi etc, but know and days they just show up to places to do their thing ( try to anyway ) and go back to SS after its done to resume things as usual. There is very little to no meat in between those events.

/Armadillo likes where this thread is going/

/Armadillo likes where this thread is going/

Tell armadillo to go play with his dong and leave Naruto manga alone :P

And Kishi would make that Armadillo dong Asian dong sized.

Speaking of Armadillo's, I saw a dead one on the side of the road and it was fucking nasty because they are so meaty. And the skin looks like snake skin. Fuck.

Should have brought it home to do wicked experiments on it. Create a dead mutant.

Should have brought it home to do wicked experiments on it. Create a dead mutant.

A dead mutant, you say? Maybe an armachicken, with all the fluffiness of an armadillo and the intelligence of a chicken!

*lurks in the shadows, waiting for someone to catch the reference*

A dead mutant, you say? Maybe an armachicken, with all the fluffiness of an armadillo and the intelligence of a chicken!

*lurks in the shadows, waiting for someone to catch the reference*

I'm not sure what you meant, but this is what you said.
http://www.expressentree.com/Images/cuisine/popeyes-delivery.jpg

Wrap my arm around that.

Should have brought it home to do wicked experiments on it. Create a dead mutant.

This is how the zombie apocalypse starts.

http://www.expressentree.com/Images/cuisine/popeyes-delivery.jpg


That looks so stroke-prone delicious...

I was referencing the Simpsons, only they used the dog's cleanness and the cat's loyalty.

http://www.expressentree.com/Images/cuisine/popeyes-delivery.jpg

KNN, how does this taste? It looks really dry. Is it real chicken? I don't see any grease. Which is perfect, actually. Just checking.

Its not, thats a really old ad. Its so delicious.

You haven't experienced life until Popeyes. Seriously. It is so good. I would eat it for every single meal the rest of my life. People like getting high? Popeyes gets a health-freak like myself high. ZOMG I LUV3S P0P3YES!!11111

Its some srs bizness shit

Edit: actually i want to elaborate more on why i luv it, u can get it crispy - spicy, mild- nd dats bout it but itss sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo gud omg i fkin luv popeye dude srsly

Not sure if my country has that shit.

EDIT: No, my country doesn't have that shit. Only this http://www.coffeeshop-popeye.nl/

Wow, that is actually sad.

Indeed, for we are known as a multi-cultural-copycats. Dunno how famous Popeyes is in the US though. Maybe that's why they don't sell it here.

No no, Popeyes is a famous chain.

Like McDonalds, KFC, Burger King, ect.

Indeed, for we are known as a multi-cultural-copycats. Dunno how famous Popeyes is in the US though. Maybe that's why they don't sell it here.

You've never seen a Popeye's?

It doesn't change the fact that you're completely wrong given the parameters of power lvl on Op.
God level feats are feats that would have previously been impossible for that particular person moving on.

I must say, I've gained new found respect for KYF. I thought he was childish with the name calling, but you are certainly leaving him in the dust.
LMAO honestly I thought your name was spelled Dragoro instead of Dagoro for some reason. You don't have to believe me however that was why I was calling you Drag for short. If I started calling you Dag would it make you feel any better?

You're so desperately trying to twist my words to get some sense of victory, and you're doing a piss poor job at it.
No I'm just being a smart arse because it's fun to argue with you.

I didn't agree to anything nor did i claim anything regarding which is the better manga, but you can think anything you like to make yourself feel better.
Your lack of a response on the issue is enough for me to say again that Claymore is the superior shounin manga.

When did I assume that all Shonen protagonists are like Luffy ? You are imagining things.
You made a half arsed attempt at a joke by stating

"An airhead hero who is a genius at battle, man that has never happened in a Shonen before. Lol, truly amusing these babbling of yours."

which prompted my response on how you've admitted to Luffy not being original & that most shounin heroes act in this manor.

Because OP doesn't revolve around Luffy alone, there several plot lines that happens without him being involved and characters that have their own unique stories to tell, all that contributes to the story.
But the story overall is supposed to be about Luffy which is why I can judge a manga based on him. Also another reason & really the main reason why I'm not that interested in One Piece even though I do recommend it to people seeking something besides the fail that is Naruto is that the world of One Piece is set in a place of pirates which I find to be rather corny. Also I gave opinions about some of the other characters in his crew. I take it by your lack of response on that part of the post that you quoted means that you don't disagree?

Sure you didn't. I mean you only completely miss the point of the scene between Luffy and Demalo, and later came in talking about the Haki aspect. That does not at all implies that you didn't know about it then, and came here only after doing a search on it.
Actually I didn't miss the point I just didn't explain in full detail right away about the situation. Just so we're clear after I first read that timeskip issue & commented in this forum I actually went back to a previous arc to see just why they needed training. I can't recall how many chapters back I went but was probably around +50 since I didn't bother to look back at chapter 300something to try to find where I originally stopped reading the manga in the first place.

PS: I didn't go to Wiki I found the exact naming of that stuff in a forum thread about One Piece.

You definitely don't know what god lvl is in OP.
God level is a level beyond that of a normal human. It's like comparing an insect to a size 10 boot. To that insect that boot is god level.

You claimed Luffy gained god lvls, meaning that in order for that to be true you must contrast it against other power lvls in the manga.
Actually I don't as mentioned above. I'm comparing if to normal Luffy vs current Luffy.

And in doing so, those whom actually read OP know that he isn't god lvl.
But he is god level :p

I'm acting like a 5 year old ?
I want my candy back bitch!

Its the truth regardless.
That the manga is being prolonged of an ending because it's the highest selling manga in jump history? I know this is truth & you really can't dispute this.

Actually no. As Oda put it in an interview long ago, OP is about the love of the adventure and pursuing dreams. Every SH has a dream of their own and are sharing the journey to those dreams together, Luffy's dream is Unique to him and that is it.
Yet the manga will only end once Luffy becomes Pirate King since you know he's the main protagonist of the manga.

Therefore everything that explains the character's Bgs, the things they suffered and what they want to accomplish is relevant.
Explaining background on side characters is rather pointless if the main focus of the manga is about Luffy becoming Pirate King.

?
!

I'm complaining that Kishi gives tons of info on all characters and events? Where did you get that from ?
You complain about the execution of Naruto & how some things were dragged out or added in needlessly.

In fact my complaint is just the opposite. Kishi doesn't elaborate on anyone that isn't Naruto/Sasuke in depth, he doesn't use his cast nor does he explains things like KKGs/transplants/Clans etc.
He doesn't use them because they really aren't all that important to the main part of the story to begin with. That's actually a good thing that Kishi does. Even though he fucks everything else up with things like Uchiha Madara, Juubi, RS, animal dicks, carebears & kisses & rainbows... But umm yeah that's an entirely different issue all together.

You're the one who thought I was trying to make it as though you were defending Kishi, not me.
Ok then fuck Kishi.

PS: I'm trying to think of this one shot I read awhile back that was about this demon kid that was the hell hound Cerberus & he was the pet of some cocky high school kid. I know they made more issues of this manga but I don't recall it being translated. Anyway that one shot is also more appealing than One Piece:p.

You've never seen a Popeye's?

I have seen. Look at the pic above~

I remember my mom telling me when I was a baby that I use to love Popeye's chicken. Now adays though I don't really eat shit like that.

God level feats are feats that would have previously been impossible for that particular person moving on.

A god lvl feat is something that is completely above what anyone has done in the series, and Luffy's current feats are not of that lvl.

Your lack of a response on the issue is enough for me to say again that Claymore is the superior shounin manga.

My lack of response regarding what ?

You made a half arsed attempt at a joke by stating

"An airhead hero who is a genius at battle, man that has never happened in a Shonen before. Lol, truly amusing these babbling of yours."

which prompted my response on how you've admitted to Luffy not being original & that most shounin heroes act in this manor

I never claimed Luffy was an original character, nor did I say that most Shonen protagonists are like him. He follows a archetype that is common in Shonen manga, that is all I stated.

But the story overall is supposed to be about Luffy which is why I can judge a manga based on him. Also another reason & really the main reason why I'm not that interested in One Piece even though I do recommend it to people seeking something besides the fail that is Naruto is that the world of One Piece is set in a place of pirates which I find to be rather corny. Also I gave opinions about some of the other characters in his crew. I take it by your lack of response on that part of the post that you quoted means that you don't disagree?

The overall story is not about Luffy, I already mentioned Oda's own thoughts on the series. Its about the adventure/friendship/loyalty etc. Luffy's dream is to become PK, yet it is almost seemliness in the series, allowing other plots such as the problems with the World Gov take the spot light.

Actually I didn't miss the point I just didn't explain in full detail right away about the situation

Oldest excuse in the book.

God level is a level beyond that of a normal human. It's like comparing an insect to a size 10 boot. To that insect that boot is god level.

This is quite vague.

God lvl in OP is what the likes of the Admirals, Youkon and a few SB can do. Things like slicing a Tsunami in half, Tilting entire islands, laying waste to giant areas etc.

Luffy hasn't done any of that.

Actually I don't as mentioned above. I'm comparing if to normal Luffy vs current Luffy.

He still isn't god lvl. Luffy learned Haki and honed his DF a bit further, the results are great but he isn't leaps and bounds in terms of physical prowess from where he was PS. Luffy was already picking up giant bounders, beating actual giants and such, he just got a handle on the little extra he needed to survive in the NW. He isn't a master in it either, he learned the basics.

That the manga is being prolonged of an ending because it's the highest selling manga in jump history? I know this is truth & you really can't dispute this.

The manga isn't being prolonged, the story is being told right. When you prolong something in this context, you come up with incoherent crap to feed the needy fans. Oda doesn't do this, he wastes no panels. He said it in the interviews and it shows in his work. Everything is toughly explained, and with a purpose.

Want a good example ?

Take Brook's story. Luffy/Zoro/Nami and Sanji met Laboon at the very beginning of the Grand line, countless arcs ago near the beginning of the series.

Laboon waited 50 years for a crew who befriended it to come back and they promised, they didn't come back. So Laboon starts hamming against the redline in order to go looking for them, nearly killing itself. Luffy fights it briefly and then makes a new promise, that he and his crew would come back one day and he and Laboon would fight once more. Thus, saving Laboon's life since the new promise made Laboon stop hamming its head against the head line.

Oda could have ended that right there, and never mentioned Laboon again.

Many arcs Later Brook is introduced, his entire crew massacred in the devil seas. Thanks to his DF, he gained a second chance at life and for 50 years roamed the devil seas alone, and on top of that he has his shadow stolen, making him unable to live in the light of the sun. Therefore he can't leave.

The SHs accidentally run into him, and together they are trapped in Thriller bark. During that arc the SHs find out that Brook was trying for all that time to get his shadow back, and fix the ship that he and his crew once said, all to keep a promise to a friend he left behind, with a promise to return. That friend turns out to be Laboon, and with that the SHs and Brook's journey become intertwined.

That right there is just one of the many examples of How Oda leaves nothing unexplained/resolved.

Yet the manga will only end once Luffy becomes Pirate King since you know he's the main protagonist of the manga.

Well no shit, the last thing that will happen is Luffy becoming the PK. But to generalize the story to just that is pretty absurd. As i mentioned, the PK dream, as well as all dreams are seemliness in the series.

Explaining background on side characters is rather pointless if the main focus of the manga is about Luffy becoming Pirate King.

It isn't.

You complain about the execution of Naruto & how some things were dragged out or added in needlessly.

Adding needless things, poorly executed events are things to complaint about.

He doesn't use them because they really aren't all that important to the main part of the story to begin with. That's actually a good thing that Kishi does. Even though he fucks everything else up with things like Uchiha Madara, Juubi, RS, animal dicks, carebears & kisses & rainbows... But umm yeah that's an entirely different issue all together.

I fail to see how that is a good thing.

This manga was supposed to be about team work, defying destiny etc. Now everyone is made foil to make Naruto look good, or just become completely forgotten. Characters with potential being reduce to stage props isn't a good way to use a cast.

I'll make this simple since this is getting old. Which do you prefer?

Edit: O yeah before I forget. SPOILER ALERT since every image is from the recent chapters.

Anamaniac/loonytoon type of manga about pirates like One Piece (http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/56751021/3) (corny).

Bad arse chicks slaying demons like Claymore (http://mangastream.com/read/claymore/52554776/6) (not corny).

A cartoonish/demonic comedy manga like Soul Eater (http://mangastream.com/read/soul_eater/96761342/4) (perfect symmetry!)

The fur fag cearbear aspect of Naruto (http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/40727763/6) (extremely lame).

A Manga about mages with shameless TnA addins for fan service like Fairy Tail (http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/91156309/14).(mages are cooler than pirates)

Or a hack & slash manga that really should have ended here (http://mangastream.com/read/bleach/37803223/19) but will continue for two more arcs because it's popular like Bleach.(mindless hack & slash)

Anyone reading can make the judgement call for themselves. Personally speaking One Piece is not the best shounin manga listed here nor is it the best manga eva.

PS: notice how easily I found a retard loonytoonish pic of One Piece?

@dagaro
whats your sig from?
it looks awesome

@vengeance the bikini wearing girls from your sig?
where are they from, what exam did they pass and why are they so wet and happy?

I'm trying to recall any of the toons I've watched in the past, that were drawn like that OP pic.

@vengeance the bikini wearing girls from your sig?
where are they from, what exam did they pass and why are they so wet and happy?
They're from the manga Fairy Tail & they passed the first exam in becoming an S-Class Mage.

tl;dr

But lol, FT is a pale copy of OP.

lmaoo....................... .. .

I, for one, being someone that hasn't even touched OP to this point thoroughly enjoyed the argument between Veng and Dag. Someone like Dag, who obviously is a huge supporter of OP gave rather interesting points. Someone like Veng, who could obviously give two fucks less about it, gave rather interesting points as well.

tl;dr

But lol, FT is a pale copy of OP.
Ummm no FT is actually more like Rave than One Piece. You can even make a comparison of FT to something like Soul eater since in FT they belong to a guild while in Soul Eater they belong to an academy. One Piece is a manga about pirates & shit while FT is about mages.

i agree THAT woulda been considered a classic ending to a pretty good story(Bleach).

Claymore looks COOL!

Naruto well i still like it.
Never cared for one piece though. to cartoony/corny for me.

I agree .

@vengeance i had the same idea about the soul eater pic u have for ur sig and how he did the wholed pokemon rip off. i loled

^u finally show urself .

^ yeah y u misssed me that much aww thats so sweet. thx for ur concern.

^ yeah y u misssed me that much aww thats so sweet. thx for ur concern.

Don't push your luck ,lol.................................... ..

^ yeah.........................

I mean it itachi .

^ i know u mean it.

^u finally show urself .

^ yeah y u misssed me that much aww thats so sweet. thx for ur concern.

Don't push your luck ,lol.................................... ..

^ yeah.........................

I mean it itachi .

^ i know u mean it.

Why do I have the urge to invoke a certain crustacean's song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QrKiod8rXM)?

wow num just wow.

^^lmaoooooo .

hahahahahahahahaha.

This is some bromance shit going on - and not the awesome badass type.

Is it the BOB type?

Is it the BOB type?

Well, they didn't deny Sebastian's suggestion... I think you might be right! :P

what are y'all problem?... .

what are y'all problem?... .

Speaking for myself, I have no problem. I don't have any prejudice against it, so you're free to do it!

I just find it cute.

wow that was pretty gay

I saw a conversation. I saw Num's vid. The thought came to me.

okay there no gayish shit going on guys just being carefree thats all

Doesn't a guy being "carefree" = "gay"?

maybe in ur books but not mine. look if anything that went on upstairs sounded gayish then my apologies.Didn't mean it that way, just wanted to goof around a bit oook

okay there no gayish shit going on guys just being carefree thats all

Just yanking your chain :P

Doesn't a guy being "carefree" = "gay"?

Well, if you take the original meaning of gay, yes.

http://toppun.com/Cool_Free_Stuff/Free_for_All/Free-Rainbow-Stuff/Free-Gay-Pride-Rainbow-Posters/Free-Gay-Pride-Poster-Born-Gay-Follow-The-Ray-Born-Straight-Refuse-to-Hate-450.gif

Naruto will follow the ray. Anyway, I bet the dick will be shown for the third time next week. It's going to happen.

Well, if you take the original meaning of gay, yes.

Exactly. Gay originally meant "happy". Fag = Cigarette. Faggot = bundle of sticks used for fuel. Queer = strange or oddity. A lot of words that were originally harmless were given new definitions to stigmatize homosexuality.

Thnx alot sensei .

yeah the little back and forth between the two was happy but it was also homo, so double gay?

*facepalm* .

considering where your hand has probably been, im surprised you dared to facepalm

lol I remember a classmate calling me gay in elementary. I knew better, so I said it doesn't mean what he was implying. He was too fucking dumb and didn't care. I stopped talking to the guy.

Thnx for the tip sensei, u truely are a sensei,lol

Sensierific!

yeah whatever!! .

lol sorry had to say that. lmao.

lol I remember a classmate calling me gay in elementary. I knew better, so I said it doesn't mean what he was implying. He was too fucking dumb and didn't care. I stopped talking to the guy.

and his life has never been the same since

lol sorry had to say that. lmao.

no offense taken .

Thnx for the tip sensei, u truely are a sensei,lol

Hey back off I wasn't even giving a tip (notice the pun).

Hey back off I wasn't even giving a tip (notice the pun).

lmao ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaa

clever there sensei

no offense taken .


Glad to know.

;)

Glad to know.

;)

k .

sassy, please don't feed the troll (http://www.timelesstrinkets.com/Other/Images/TrollHotPinkHairBaby.jpg)

sassy, please don't feed the troll (http://www.timelesstrinkets.com/Other/Images/TrollHotPinkHairBaby.jpg)


Alright. O_O

sassy, please don't feed the troll (http://www.timelesstrinkets.com/Other/Images/TrollHotPinkHairBaby.jpg)

u referring to me or what?

u referring to me or what?

http://pawsru.org/f/src/f40179_ultimate%20facepalm.jpg

Did that guy just punch right through his own face. Lmao. That's so obvious

That facepalm is pretty fucking beast.

No problem with a bromance - an awesome as fuck bromance (Which isn't really even considered a bromance when its awesome, but interpret how you'd like and shit) . But there is a problem with a super gay-like bromance, which isn't awesome as fuck.

Memphis, I lol'ed so hard.

That facepalm is pretty fucking beast.

No problem with a bromance - an awesome as fuck bromance (Which isn't really even considered a bromance when its awesome, but interpret how you'd like and shit) . But there is a problem with a super gay-like bromance, which isn't awesome as fuck.

Memphis, I lol'ed so hard.

Did you say...Bromance? Oh shit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Pamgat1Wro

itachikillsnaruto is the white guy. k-lai is the black guy. Watch till the end.

I've heard that show is funny.

Convince me. The video, meh. But I do agree, even though I think k-lai is the black guy.

I'm so fucking bored. I think I'm gonna play this flash game I found a few days ago, and make it a gif to put in my sig. Some will probably think it's a good game.

Bored? Thank God the spamming has reduced to a minimum, or we well be crying our eyes out of stupid walls of text

Did you say...Bromance? Oh shit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Pamgat1Wro

itachikillsnaruto is the white guy. k-lai is the black guy. Watch till the end.

nice i like what u did there.

I've heard that show is funny.

Convince me. The video, meh. But I do agree, even though I think k-lai is the black guy.

scrubs is an awesome tv show, it's comedy is pretty good.

I'm not sure what I should think about the current course Naruto is going on. One part of me says Naruto is drowning down the river and the other part still shout this could become so freaking awesome. This reminds me about another thing but I'll spare it for an own thread.
Edit: Seems posting thread is currently impossible, will try later again cause I have to share and talk about this.

^ that sounds about right.