I know there have been alot of " Jiraiya is Yondaimes father" theories but i found this in the Naruto Hiden Rettou Emaki Official Animation Book and i just wanted to ad this picture to once again prove Jiraiya is Yondaimes Father...

http://upload.talk2.nl/files/957596Jiraiya%20Flames.JPG

It seems like an ordinary Jiraiya pic but the Flames on the vest are a smaller version of the flames on Yondaimes vest. Yondaime probably got inspire by his "hardworking" father and honoured him by having a vest that looks like the one his father has.

lol dude whats with ur title...anywayz i agree..i made a thread like this LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ONG AGO

I knew along time ago that Jariaya knocked up the 4th's mom and I also know the 4th knocked up Narutos mom(who ever she is). I will say though that pic you got a hold to confirms those threories even more. Now all we have to do is sit back and wait for the first non-believer to show themselves.

yes the will belive us or be destoryed

Um, no. Yondaime has no relation to Jiraiya, other than Jiraiya was Yondaime trainer.

I know there have been alot of " Jiraiya is Yondaimes father" theories but i found this in the Naruto Hiden Rettou Emaki Official Animation Book and i just wanted to ad this picture to once again prove Jiraiya is Yondaimes Father...

It seems like an ordinary Jiraiya pic but the Flames on the vest are a smaller version of the flames on Yondaimes vest. Yondaime probably got inspire by his "hardworking" father and honoured him by having a vest that looks like the one his father has.
That really doesn't prove anything just because they have similar outfits they are related, I have no problem believing that they are related but I am going to need some concrete facts that shows they are father and son. Basically what your saying is Lee is Gai's son because they have on the same outfit.

The masters sword is passed over his apprentice just like the masters vest passed on the apprentice. The apprentice could be anyone like kenshee and soujiro. Soujiro was giving his coat to his apprentice isnt it?

maybe its just a japanese tradition? I dont know im not a japanese Hehehe

maybe its just a japanese tradition? I dont know im not a japanese Hehehe
Maybe its because they live in the Fire country...

I guess no one read my post...and people need to pay better attention in episodes. Go re watch the first Jiraiya episodes people, and you'll understand.

I guess no one read my post...and people need to pay better attention in episodes. Go re watch the first Jiraiya episodes people, and you'll understand.
No we didn't not read your post but we are all disagreeing with the statement.

...no way
the flames dont realli prove anythin...it could just be that the 4th's sign was the flames or wateva and since j-man(lol) was an apprentice he also has it or sumthin but theres no way jiarya is naruto's father....
*shudders*

No we didn't not read your post but we are all disagreeing with the statement.

I'm sorry? I don't recall seeing a disagreement with my post, nor an acknowledgement of it.

...no way
the flames dont realli prove anythin...it could just be that the 4th's sign was the flames or wateva and since j-man(lol) was an apprentice he also has it or sumthin but theres no way jiarya is naruto's father....
*shudders*

He wasn't saying Jiraiya is Naruto's father; he was saying Jiraiya is the Fourth's father.

Which I don't believe.

I dunno, we just don't have enough proof to say that (the flames in their coats notwithstanding, I mean, c'mon, that's lame reasoning). Although one could argue that we don't have enough proof to say the other thing, too. :p But for now, I think I'll stick with the old assumptions (that Jiraiya is Yondaime's teacher, nothing more, nothing less) until such time as it is revealed otherwise.

No we didn't not read your post but we are all disagreeing with the statement.
Double Negative = positive

I don't know why you people come up with these ideas...It's like saying Sakura is Naruto's aunt or his second cousin or something...

Where's your proof that A) Jiraiya is Yondaime's father B) Yondaime is Naruto's father C) Then Jiraiya would be Naruto's grandfather, which I wouldn't believe. Seeing they look nothing alike...

me and my grandfather aren't alike

me and my grandfather aren't alike
I'm not saying all grandparents/grandchildren are alike. Think, there's two generations between the two of you, that's a lot of difference. But you think, there's not even one facial characteristic about them that's the same. And my grandfather and I don't look the same either but that's cause my father was mostly English and my mother was partially Italian. So my appearance is much more of an Englishman than an Italian.

j-man is the 4th'z popz.....right or wrong?

That's the question in debate. Stop asking it over....

And in my opinion he's not cause they don't look alike and Jiraiya would have said something to Naruto already. And sides, Jiraiya, know how many women he sleeps with, would prolly not be having any kids, if you understand.

man,Jiraiya is a legendary perverted sennin but yeah he is not 4th popz after all

jiraiyas not the 4ths pops.it makes no sense.4th was awesome.sumhow u cant c jiraiya as his father.

Well I guess I will give my 2 cents on this.

Jiraya = Yonadmine's Father: Well this could be true. As mentioned before the flames are one thing that could point it out but that is extremely circumstantle. Though I don't know if it's just me but their hair seems spike similar. When Jiraya was a kid his hair style looked pretty similar but again that is circumstantial. This is aimed toward Aruko. Sure he bangs a lot of chicks but you never know when he jsut had an excident. Perhaps he is the Fourth's father but he himself doesn't know because the chick he banged he splooged inside her by excident and basically left after that... Again this is totally cirumstantial and sorry if I used any rule breaking language. I 75% disagree with Jiraya being Yondamines father (until concrete proof) and 25% agree with it as a possiblity. Though Yondamine being Naruto's Father I think that like 90%...

so Jiraiya's hair has become gray?old perverted sennin

That's the question in debate. Stop asking it over....

And in my opinion he's not cause they don't look alike and Jiraiya would have said something to Naruto already. And sides, Jiraiya, know how many women he sleeps with, would prolly not be having any kids, if you understand.
That is not necessarily the case, I don't know if anyone has seen Rahxephon,
the main character in the anime has frequent meetings with a family member yet they never tell each other there relation to each other. I know that is very vague but I kept it that way for people who might be interested in the anime I don't want to ruin it for them
Synopsis of Rahxephon:
(In a world where time passes at a crawl and the blood of your neighbor runs blue, 17 year old high school student Ayato Kamina goes about his daily life within Tokyo Jupiter oblivious to the world around him, having been educated with the fact that the all civilization but Tokyo has been destroyed. But all that changes when the mysterious civilization "MU" invades his home, raining destruction down from the sky in the form of strange monsters called Dolems. The events that occur next will lead Ayato to the mysterious woman named Reika Mishima, to the truth of their existence, the discovery of what and who he is, and to the powerful angelic robot RahXephon.)

so Jiraiya's hair has become gray?old perverted sennin
If you've seen any pictures of him when he was young, he had grey hair then too. How do you get a blonde haired kid from a guy with long grey, naturally, hair. It's just really abnormal.

If you've seen any pictures of him when he was young, he had grey hair then too. How do you get a blonde haired kid from a guy with long grey, naturally, hair. It's just really abnormal.

THe chick he banged up could have had blonde hair...

genetics are possible!!!!!!!!!

haha so jiraya is teaching his grandson. i wonder if he knows if hes his grandad

how did jiraiya become narutos granpa??

...ummm..i guess jirya can be yondaime daddy

naa..........if they took dna samples it probably wont match lol

It's not a good basis to debate that someone is related to somebody else just because they look alike. Or that someone is not related to somebody else just because they don't look alike. My high school roommate and I used to be mistaken for each other quite often; and I know I've never met her before in my life and that our blood lines don't cross. ;)

It's not a good basis to debate either that someone is related to somebody else just because they dress relatively the same. ROFLMAO :D

this is toooo weird.........

i don't think Jiraiya is the father of 4th or grandfather of Naruto!?because he is not treating Naruto like a grandson,hmm...

well accualy.....he kinda is..........

lol is that so...

yeah.remember wen he gave naruto that icesickle wen naruto misses a parent during training for rasengan!!!

I doubt it
ever heard of a dopple ganger (or whatever its called)
they look alive but have no relation.
I would think that the 4th was friends of Naruto's parents (like teamates or something) and when naruto's parents died that yondaime wanted their son to be a hero so he sealed the kyuubi within him.

Also I doubt that Jiraiya is Yondaime's father. The reason Jiraiya and Yondaime have the same flames it probaly because when Yondaime kinda graduated from Jiraiya, Jiraiya knew that the 4th wold surpass him so he probaly gave him his trade mark emblem (the flames).
this is just my theory and I may be (and most likely am) wrong.

more possible that naruto was yondaime's son. all we know is that jiraiya mentored yondaime when jiraiya was a jounin.

Jiraiya CAN'T be, (or is highly unlikely) to be 4th's dad.
Jiraiya is now 50.
Yondaime was around 20-30 when he sealed Kyuubi.
That would mean that if Yondaime were still alive, he'd be 30-40. So that means Jiraiya must've had to have Yondaime at the age of 10-20. (That's kinda young)
Also, think about it...
1. Jiraiya's a perv
2. None of the Sennin are married and/or have kids.

The only known connection between Jiraiya and Yondaime is that Jiraiya was Yondaime's mentor, and that's it. It would be unlikely that someone would make a father and son into a team unit.

i'm not saying it is true but jiraya COULD be yondaime's dad but he doesnt know naruto is yondaime's son.

Also I doubt that Jiraiya is Yondaime's father. The reason Jiraiya and Yondaime have the same flames it probaly because when Yondaime kinda graduated from Jiraiya, Jiraiya knew that the 4th wold surpass him so he probaly gave him his trade mark emblem (the flames).
this is just my theory and I may be (and most likely am) wrong.
They live in the fricken FIRE country. How the hell are you people making these kind of connections from they're wearing. Thats like saying all Canadians that wear a Maple leaf are all related, or all Americans with the american flag are related.

Once again, THERE. IS. NO. FREAKIN. CONNECTION.

more possible that naruto was yondaime's son. all we know is that jiraiya mentored yondaime when jiraiya was a jounin.

Jiraiya is still a jounin.

Jiraiya is still a jounin.
Jiraiya is Sennin/Sannin (i forgot how to spell it)
He's a Kage level ninja now. WAY stronger than kakashi or any of those Jounin dudes.

Jiraiya is Sennin/Sannin (i forgot how to spell it)
He's a Kage level ninja now. WAY stronger than kakashi or any of those Jounin dudes.
'Sannin' is just a nickname, Jiraiya is a jounin.

Thank God for nma. I was about to go berserk on the nub for being retarded. :D

Thank God for nma. I was about to go berserk on the nub for being retarded. :D
There's no reason for you not to :D.

'Sannin' is just a nickname, Jiraiya is a jounin.
well...Sannin are the legendary ninjas,of course higher than jounin level.it's a title

well...Sannin are the legendary ninjas,of course higher than jounin level.it's a title
Yes they are legendary ninjas, he is on a higher level than any other jounin but the fact remains that he's still a jounin in rank. There aren't any ranks between jounin and kage. 'Sannin' just means 3 ninja's, as in 1. Jiraiya 2. Orochimaru and 3. Tsunade, how can that be a rank?

There aren't any ranks between jounin and kage.

how about special jounins? lol he he.... just kiddin'

special jounin...ebisu right ???
IM KINDA 4GET....BUT I do remember kakashi say so...say ebisu even train jounin
is tht sumthgs like special jounin...plus ebisu seesm to be lame....he'd never perform his skill for even once !!!

is ebisu a special jounin? i'm sorry but i might be forgettin' you know

I really don't think that the Yondaime is Jiraiya's kid.
Reason #1. Jiraiya may just be a virgin.(sorry I had to say it)
Reason #2. Wouldn't Yondaime have those lines on his face?
Reason #3. They don't look a like.Hey I know what your going to say "But they have spiky hair.",Well every guy in naruto haves spiky hair.Kakashi looks more like Jiraiya then Yondaime.
Reason #4. The flames on the robe is just like the green body suit.It just to show that you idolize you sensei that all.