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Naru-rin 02-22-2006 01:51 PM

Freedom of speech: Can it survive?
 
(Delete if necessary) I don't live in the US, nor do I know what's in the constitution. But, as a n00b, I wonder: Does it really exist? For the internet it does, but what about america itself? I don't have much spare time,(Researching j-rock for music teacher mr.evil) so I couldn't research much. Personally, I don't think it can. Not even in the internet, with all the cencoring and e-mail blockage(What's it called when you can't e-mail someone? Like Jack Thompson?) and stuff. :(

Dizzykilla 02-22-2006 01:54 PM

for the most part i believe it will can u cant control it .........but u just cant say any dam thing and think its ok.....i belive to an exstent u can speak ur mind so it will servive

Naru-rin 02-22-2006 03:58 PM

Now that I think about it, the media encourages in a way to surpress your thoughts an feelings. And also following the croud - Let's say that you're an unsure highschool student. You follow what the majority does, but are afraid to stand up to what's right because you want to fit in and have friend. Now let's say the majority have turned to drugs. You don't want to do drugs, but you still want to fit in. You are too scared to tell anyone else. See? There's my evidence.

Dizzykilla 02-22-2006 04:03 PM

seee............ drugs / sex / money .........now ur thinking amarican :D

Naru-rin 02-22-2006 04:14 PM

Neither do I, until I got reputation. Now, I only ever speak my mind if I feel it's the right place or time. Only when I'm asked to in any way.

MrPwnzerz 02-22-2006 11:04 PM

I don't believe in Freedom of Speech, because it doesn't exist. According to the phrase "Freedom of Speech," you have the right to express yourself verbally in any way that you want. Unfortunately, you can not. Supposedly I could tell a police officer to "F*ck off." Now if I did that, he would probably pepper spray me, kick me in the abdomen, and stone cold stun me, and than say it was self defense and I would be sent to Juvenile Prison.

Edge 02-23-2006 12:05 PM

It definatly doesn't exist here, a kid got fined £80 for using the work fuck in a private conversation and a police woman overheard it.

sheik 02-23-2006 06:21 PM

Our Freedoms are slowly daminishing.

Gays can't have their freedom of marriage which is Article 19 in the HUMAN RIGHTS.

We are starting to have obesity more often and I think it is like 1/3 of americans are overweight.

Naru-rin 02-23-2006 07:56 PM

Still, though. Arrested? For saying Fuck in a private conversation? Goddammit, that's just stupid. You're right, it can't exist. And what's even worse is the fact that w can't do anything about it unless we get a vast majority to bother someone important about it. And by vast, I mean most of america. At least 75%.

Ero 02-24-2006 04:08 AM

Freedom of Speech isn't a term to be used loosely or irresponsibly.

how do i put this... with every Freedom you are entitled to. you also have a responsibility to use it appropriately. with every inappropriate use of your freedom, you must be prepared for a certain degree of consequence. e.g. saying "F**k off" to a member of the national police force, = fine/arrest/ . i don't think a police officer has the right to pepper spray a person for saying "f**k off" but thats not the law or the governments fault, thats a fault of the police officer, and the police officer alone.

However. i do agree to a certain extent, that america and alot of other countries, are really pushing the limit on infringement of our "rights".

But in most cases, its because of a greater need to protect the nation.

Instead of pondering on the inevitable flaws and imperfections that our government, being a human system, has. i think we should just be grateful of the fact that you live in a democratic state, not a communist one. (believe me, people in China have it much worse.)


Think about it, if you were allowed to say and do EVERYTHING you wanted the world would probably be in total anarchy. (i mean if you have the freedom to speak. murderers must also have the freedom to act)

like i said.. no freedom without responsibility, and rarely any irresponsibility with out consequence.

But hey thats my opinion. :)


oh and NaruRin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Naru-Rin
Still, though. Arrested? For saying Fuck in a private conversation? Goddammit, that's just stupid. You're right, it can't exist. And what's even worse is the fact that w can't do anything about it unless we get a vast majority to bother someone important about it. And by vast, I mean most of america. At least 75%.

he said that his friend was FINED. not arrested.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edge
It definatly doesn't exist here, a kid got fined £80 for using the work fuck in a private conversation and a police woman overheard it.


Dizzykilla 02-24-2006 04:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ero_Ni_Sama
Freedom of Speech is a term to be used irresponsibly.

how do i put this... with every Freedom you are entitled to. you also have a responsibility to say "F**k off" to a member of the national police force. a police officer has the right to pepper spray a person but thats the law .

But hey thats my opinion. :)


oh and NaruRin



is FINE. (int)rested.

Wow ero ur views are the smartest thing i have every herd anywere :D

Ero 02-24-2006 04:53 AM

dizzy pls don't manip my post like that :/. its really disrespecting this debate

Dizzykilla 02-24-2006 04:57 AM

ero have a sense of humor........ but fine sence we go back ill chill

Peregrin 02-24-2006 04:24 PM

Ero's right. People seem to think that freedom of speech in their countries entitles them to do whatever they want. Not true. Like Ero said, that would be anarchy. Their are limitations to it. Although, if a police officer pepper-sprayed you for swearing in public, you could probably make a lawsuit against him and win it quite easily. I will admit that a fine for a swear word overheard in a conversation is fairly harsh, but it makes sense. If everyone went around swearing their heads off, what would happen to the kids? Wait a second... oh... that explains a lot...

Peregrin 02-24-2006 04:32 PM

Yes, and democracies aren't anarchies. Sure, I think that people should say whatever they want in private conversations. But when everyone starts insulting other people in newspapers and other media... well... we get burning Danish embassies and huge protests in the streets. It's in the media's best intrest to not push the boundaries of the law.


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