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kamineko_kun 07-22-2006 10:19 PM

Theory - The History of the Uchiha and Itachi's Plans
 
Okay, before you guys read this, I'd just like to clarify one thing first.
And that is, I did NOT come up with this theory, and I am not taking credit for it...now that I've cleared that up, I'd like to share with you, my fellow Naruto lovers, a wonderful Uchiha History Theory that a friend of mine showed me...
The credit for this theory goes to someone with the alias of 'Yasha' a member of the Narutofan Forums.


Here Goes
Hyuuga clan is one of the oldest clans in Konoha. They have been there ever since the establishment of the hidden village. Many years ago there was a girl from Hyuuga clan who fell in love with an outsider that didn’t belong to the village. She decided to marry herself to the young man despite the strong protests from her own clan. But this man was no ordinary human. In fact, this man was not a human at all. His name was Sojobo. He was the King of Tengu.

In japanese Legend, there were two types of tengus, Karasu tengu (a crow-like creature with beak and wings) and Konoha tengu (also known as Yamabushi tengu). Sojobo was a Konoha tengu. He had long nose and white hair with a pair of black wings on his back. As the King of Tengu, Sojobo possessed some very mystical powers. He carried a fan made of Fatsia leaf that could create a storm (therefore people sometimes call this leaf as Tengu no Uchiwa or Tengu’s fan). He could teleport himself or any other things from one place to another. He could also communicate with people telepathically or even invade their minds and drive them to madness. Besides, Sojobo was also known for his shapeshifting ability. He sometimes transformed himself into human to interact with people.

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/9...ngnose50hs.jpg Image of the Konoha Tengu

Anyway, this girl from Hyuuga was in love with Sojobo taking the human form without knowing his true identity. She married him shortly after they met each other. A year or two later, she was pregnant and gave birth to their first son. Sojobo named this son Uchiha, Uchiha Madara, after Uchiwa which means fan. And of course as we know, fan also later became the symbol of this new clan.

Everything was good. Uchiha Madara soon grew up to become a very powerful shinobi. He not only inherited the Kekkei Genkai from his mother but with the Tengu blood inside him the Byakugan had evolved into an even more dreadful form—the Sharingan! This new bloodline had 2 levels: Normal Sharingan and Mangekyou Sharingan. Like his tengu father, Madara possessed some incredible magical powers. He was able to use telepathy to invade people’s minds, or even teleport himself across a short distance. When he turned on the Mangekyou Sharingan (he had the normal Sharingan on 24/7 just like his Hyuuga kin), the eyes would further intensify his powers and bring him even closer to a tengu form. He had developed 3 jutsus under this state, namely Tsukiyomi (to control people’s minds and drive them insane), Amaterasu (to teleport objects into another dimension)* and Susanoo (to create a storm like the one created by the Tengu’s fan).

*You might be confused about this: when was it stated that Kakashi’s MS jutsu is Amaterasu? Well it has never been stated, it’s just another of my bold speculations. To make the long story short.

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To Back these theory up

First the three MS Jutsus
1) Tsukiyomi—God of the Moon
Full moon is usually related to going insane in urban legends. (Itachi used Tsukiyomi on Sasuke on a full moon night. Coincidence? Or well planned by Kishi?)
MS Tsukiyomi: Drives people insane.

2) Amaterasu—Goddess of the Sun
Sun is a red hot burning star. Its center (of gravity) produces an immense gravity. Spacetime warping can be caused by strong gravitational field (Of course our Sun doesn’t have enough gravity to warp the spacetime and create a blackhole but some other stars can, after their deaths).
MS Amaterasu: Teleports things to another dimension by warping the spacetime, leaving a dark fire that will burn for 7 days and 7 nights to destroy the surroundings.

3)Susanoo—God of the Storm
MS Susanoo: Creates a storm?

Power of Telepathy?
Well, if you read Naruto manga chapter 308, page 16, you'll see Sasuke invade Naruto's mind and communicate directly with the Kyuubi...Getting freaky huh?

Power of Teleportation?
Okay, this is just a hunch, but the following two pictures hints at incredible speed that can possibly have something to do with teleportation
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/6...h224p119fm.png
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9...h307p144xa.png
Also something to think about: Uchiha Shisui was feared as ”Shunshin no Shisui” but was it really the D-rank jutsu Shunshin that he mastered or was it something else…
Because of his bravery and almost unparalleled powers, Madara soon became a hero in his people’s eyes despite the fact that he was just a teenager at that time. He became very close friends with Shodaime and together they took up the responsibility to protect the village. Madara founded the first police force in Konoha and swore to protect his people with his own life.

But good things do not last long. As Madara was about to reach his adulthood, Sojobo began to reveal his true intention. Sojobo didn’t marry the girl from Hyuuga out of love. He was only looking for a perfect body, a container (probably to achieve greater powers), and he figured the best way was to create one with his own blood. He was planning on taking over Madara’s body once he reached his adulthood. It didn’t take Uchiha Madara too long to find out this appalling truth. He felt a mixture of shock and anger. He felt himself being used but he wasn’t going to give up his body such easily, at least not without a fight. But Madara knew too well that no matter how strong he was he stood no chance against the King of Tengu. Out of desperation he sought for the legendary Bijuu—Kyuubi (the God of Fire).

Kyuubi was very impressed by Madara’s abilities. A secret pact was made and Kyuubi agreed to lend his power and chakra to Uchiha Madara. Soon Madara had mastered the katon no jutsus and he could even cast a dark fire that would burn for 7 days and 7 nights after performing the Amaterasu. But even with these newly gained powers and unlimited supply of chakra from Kyuubi, Uchiha Madara only barely defeated his demon father. He couldn’t finish him once and for all but only managed to seal him up. However, the seal he used was a very special one. To break the seal it requires Kyuubi’s chakra and also not one but 3 Uchiha members (who can wield Mangekyou Sharingan). This was a hard condition to meet and Madara thought it would be enough to seal up the demon for eternity. But what Madara didn’t anticipate was this seal would trigger a bloody massacre on the Uchiha clan decades later…

Here I will derail a bit and let’s talk about the friendship between Shodaime and Madara. When Shodai found out about the secret pact between Madara and Kyuubi he was very angry. He thought it was the hunger for power that brought his best friend to Kyuubi. Madara didn’t explain to him either because he didn’t want anybody to know that he was a half-demon. Conflicts began to appear between the two who were once close to each other. The intense hostility finally led to a great battle at the Valley of the End. You might doubt that Shodai could rival both MS and Kyuubi’s power at the same time. Well you better not forget that Shodai had the ability to suppress Kyuubi’s chakra but that’s beside the point. I will continue the story, but not before posting a couple of pics that will show the ingenuity of Kishimoto-sensei.

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http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/851...h218p021om.png
Sasuke on Uchiha Madara's Statue while Naruto on Shodaime's
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/4...19p16177yz.png
Sasuke Falls onto the eye of Uchiha Madara's Statue
Alright, now back to the story. Many years had come into past since Sojobo was sealed. The tengu’s blood in Uchiha clan was now no longer as pure as it once was. It was gradually “diluted” by constant marriages with non-Uchihas over the generations. Now even the Normal Sharingan was possessed only by the elite few among Uchihas, let alone the Mangekyou Sharingan. But the dark history of the clan was anything but forgotten. A tengu shrine was built underneath the Nakano temple by some of the early Uchiha ancestors to keep all the secrets of the clan inside (including killing your loved one to gain MS which was discovered by some later Uchiha ancestors). Once an Uchiha member was thought to be reliable enough he would be told about the secret meeting place and it would become his life-long obligation to keep these secrets from outsiders. The Uchihas considered this dark history as a huge disgrace and swore to protect the glory and dignity of their clan with their lives no matter what happened.

20 years ago, a new member was born into an Uchiha family. He soon proved himself to be a very special one, even by the high standards of the Uchiha. He graduated at the top of his class at age 7, mastered the Sharingan at 8, became a Chunin at 10 and an ANBU squad leader at 13. His name was Uchiha Itachi. As Itachi was selected to become an ANBU his father Fugaku felt that it was the right time to tell him everything. Itachi learned about the Mangekyou Sharingan and the origin of his clan from his father. Deep inside his mind, an evil thought began to take shape…

To be Continued...

kamineko_kun 07-22-2006 10:19 PM

Re: Theory - The History of the Uchiha and Itachi's Plans
 
Continued...

One night, when all men of Uchiha were supposed to gather at the secret meeting place two of them were absent. Itachi lured his best friend Uchiha Shisui to Nakano river and started to carry out his horrible plan. He killed Shisui on that night and obtained the accursed eye powers—Mangekyou Sharingan. The next day when people found Uchiha Shisui’s body they also found a suicide note. But of course the note wasn’t really written by Shisui. Itachi forged his handwriting with Sharingan to make it looks like a suicide, which means what written on the note was actually Itachi’s own feeling.

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On the suicide note, it reads:
I’m tired of the duties…
there is no future for Uchiha…
and for me…
I cannot walk out the “path” any further…


I cannot walk out the “path” any further? What “path” was Itachi talking about?

Perhaps these will give you a better idea.
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/547...h222p124cg.png
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/683...h222p151uk.png

Quoting Itachi:
You hold onto your organization, your clan, your name…These things limit us and our capacities…These things deserve to be shunned…It’s foolish to fear what we have yet to see and know!!

I’ve lost all hope for this pathetic clan.

Always living with fear—fear that people may find out the secrets of their clan, fear that people may know Uchihas are actually descendants of demon—they all swore to take the secrets with them to the graveyard. This was the miserable life of every Uchiha member. Itachi was tired of all these. He could see no future for his clan. He didn’t understand why his people felt ashamed of their own past. He didn’t understand why his people didn’t see their superiority to the normal humans. He didn’t understand why his people decided to seal up such a great power and not to use it. Itachi had lost all his hope for the Uchiha clan because of the pathetic “path” they had chosen.

From the moment Itachi heard about the origin of his clan he had a weird sense of superiority. He felt he was somehow more special than the others. Then his distorted mind had gone even further. He wanted the demon to be released. He was willing to sacrifice his body in exchange for probably the strongest power the world had ever seen. He was ready to offer his body to the Tengu King.

Soon Itachi had put his thoughts into action. When he learned about the Akatsuki’s plan to capture the Bijuus he decided to join them. He needed their help to get the Kyuubi’s chakra. But that’s not all. Itachi still had to find another 2 MS users. Somehow he came across another MS user who agreed to help him carry out his plan. Now all he needed was the third and last MS user.

Itachi knew his clan members would never kill their loved ones to get MS. He despised them. They were a bunch of cowards, useless …oh wait, Itachi suddenly came up with an idea—he could still use them to achieve his purpose. He could use them to make his little brother the third MS user…

On a full-moon night, the ancient blood inside Itachi was finally awaken and he had completely lost his mind. He killed his entire clan except his parents. He waited for his little brother Sasuke to come home. He wanted him to witness how his parents were tortured and killed. He used Tsukiyomi on his brother to make sure such a traumatic picture would stay with him for the rest of his life. He wanted Sasuke to hate him. He wanted Sasuke to kill his close friend to activate the Mangekyou Sharingan. He told him about the secret meeting place so that he would find out everything. He wanted Sasuke to take the path he had paved for him—the path of an avenger.

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Following are some images that further back up the theories
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/397...h224p161gd.png
Itachi said it was to measure his capacity/container (ch224 p16)
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4...h224p196np.png
Itachi tells Sasuke the requirement to activate MS (ch224 p19)
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/707...h225p047vi.png
Itachi reveals he wants Sasuke alive for the potential MS (ch225 p04)
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/150...h225p114lb.png
Sasuke finds the secret of his clan inside the Tengu Shrine (ch225 p11)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ff/phoenix.png
Closer look at the Shrine, notice the 2 Tengu images on the walls??? *Hint Hint;) *
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7...32p06077rr.png
Curse Seal Level 2, Sasuke sprouts two wings, similar to Sojobo (ch232 p6-7)
Some other interesting things


Coincidence?
Maybe, but I tend to think otherwise. Anyway, here they are

1) Tengus are said to be crow-spirits. When Itachi used a genjutsu on Naruto, Naruto saw him turned into a flock of crows.
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/179...259lq045sn.png

2)
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Karasu tengu can make a sound like thunder clapping when they fly overhead.
Perhaps this was how the idea of chidori came about?

3)
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Tengus are said to emanate from the primordial Japanese god of sea and storm Susanoo, Susanoo was the brother of Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu.
4) Compare the fans in these 2 pics
Sobojo Image
Sasuke's Fan

5) Sometimes tengus are depicted with a flute.
Chapter 15 cover
Another coincidence?

6)
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Ancient Japanese legend states that the Ninja clans descended from a creature called the Tengu, a half-man, half-crow hybrid with the power to alter nature and the minds of men.
This will give you some clues why Kishi may use this odd-looking creature in Naruto.

7) Sasuke riding a bird with white hair and clothes! (Thanks to Quonina for the pic)

8) Tengu statues in Chapter 314
Konoha tengu (left) and Karasu tengu
Sojobo, the Tengu King

Thank you for reading.

Credits to Grave, 4ghost and Kage no Yume for giving me so much inspiration.

For further reading on Tengu, try these websites
http://www.thetengu.com/tengu/what_is_a_tengu.htm
http://www.onmarkproductions.com/html/tengu.shtml
http://www.canit.se/~tengu/tengu.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tengu

IceKingV 07-22-2006 10:20 PM

Re: Theory - The History of the Uchiha and Itachi's Plans
 
Interesting data. Thnx

DasBones_665 07-22-2006 10:32 PM

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wow..................................... ................i must admit i could not understand that

kamineko_kun 07-22-2006 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DasBones_665
wow..................................... ................i must admit i could not understand that

ha ha, well, it is a huge amount of text, I know...but if you read it slowly and carefully, it would make sense, I know most people tend to quickly glance through the text if it's alot of text :p

Anyway, back on topic, if this theory were true, it would make sense why the Kyuubi warned sasuke against killing Naruto.

think about it, if naruto were to die, the kyuubi would die, and if the kyuubi were to die, then perhaps the pact between madara and the kyuubi would be made invalid and the sharingan rendered powerless???

That's why Sasuke would regret killing naruto?
Just a thought

SirBenoit 07-22-2006 10:53 PM

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It only took an hour for me to read, but wow, great job. Kinda make more sense now about sasuke and itachi. oh yeah you double posted kamineko kun JK lol wonderful job

I wrote this first then replied later so no double post sorry

Distortion 07-22-2006 10:57 PM

Re: Theory - The History of the Uchiha and Itachi's Plans
 
I have a few questions, in the whole manga/anime they never did say how the first died? What happen to the girl from the hyuuga clan afterwards? Also where is Tengu sealed? Also what does kyuubi get out of this pact? I see nothing that a demon fox would want... So many questions wow.. real informative though. I'm pretty sure IcekingV didn't even bother reading it with his response >_> ... anyways... great find..

SirBenoit 07-22-2006 10:58 PM

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But if sasuke killed naruto and made the sharingan powerless, couldnt sasuke then beable to kill itachi. then they would be about even, could be wrong

I didnt double post , this is an attachment to K kun

The Wolf 07-22-2006 11:26 PM

Re: Theory - The History of the Uchiha and Itachi's Plans
 
It's a very interesting theory to the origin. It makes quite a bit of sense to me. I like it. Sounds logical...

ryanisc001 07-22-2006 11:43 PM

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if kyuubi dies the the demon cant be released not the sharing we be renderd powerless. nice ifo man thans for sharing i didnt know about that demon thing interesting

kamineko_kun 07-22-2006 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Distortion
I have a few questions, in the whole manga/anime they never did say how the first died? What happen to the girl from the hyuuga clan afterwards? Also where is Tengu sealed? Also what does kyuubi get out of this pact? I see nothing that a demon fox would want... So many questions wow.. real informative though. I'm pretty sure IcekingV didn't even bother reading it with his response >_> ... anyways... great find..

It is just a theory afterall, and no theory is perfect, although I must say this one really grabbed my attention, as it's well done and makes sense on several levels.

I really don't know how to answer your questions, because I know about as much as any of you, but I have a gut feeling that the Tengu maybe sealed in the Konoha shrine/temple that Kakuzu and Hidan just recently raided...as provided in the topic, that shrine had Tengu decorations all around it, and it was a shrine located in the Fire Country, so that would make sense...
With regards to the Kyuubi, you're right in the sense that it may have had little or nothing to gain, but we don't know the whole story, we're all sill in the dark about most of the plot...perhaps the kyuubi was already sealed in one of the legendary five instruments? And Uchiha Madara may have simply agreed to help the Kyuubi get free in some way?? Perhaps another possibility was that the kyuubi was somehow threatened by the Tengu? The possibilities are limitless
But it's all speculation, and all we can really do now is wait until Kishi feeds us more info :D

MajinX 07-22-2006 11:51 PM

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lol this is a bit weird.. "Somehow he came across another MS user who agreed to help him carry out his plan." and there are too many things that happened and are not explained. Plus if an event like this happens im sure its recorded in the history books of konoha and would have been passed down. This kinda stuff isnt just left around and forgotten. Im sure someone in konoha would have figured this stuff out and yea.

SirBenoit 07-22-2006 11:59 PM

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kamineko kun=but I have a gut feeling that the Tengu maybe sealed in the Konoha shrine/temple that Kakuzu and Hidan just recently raided...as provided in the topic, that shrine had Tengu decorations all around it, and it was a shrine located in the Fire Country,


SirBenoit=maybe that is the king piece just thinking no yelling

kamineko_kun 07-23-2006 12:01 AM

Re: Theory - The History of the Uchiha and Itachi's Plans
 
Well, it was recorded that Shodai and this mysterious shinobi (let's say he's madara) fought it out in the valley of the end...this may have been simply a personal feud, and therefore was never really recorded??? But it makes sense that Uchiha Madara's secret pact with the Kyuubi and possible demon lineage would not be recorded because it was kept secret by Madara himself, he never revealed it to anyone in the Konoha, and the rest of the Uchiha are keeping the secret...under their temple

ralatone 07-23-2006 12:01 AM

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Wow thats pretty deep

Much kudos to you

Ami-san 07-23-2006 12:11 AM

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Omg I actually believe that this theory might be correct...

Thanks for posting on this, hah I like adult Hinata in your sig, shes naughty.

kamineko_kun 07-23-2006 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ralatone
Wow thats pretty deep

Much kudos to you

Thx, but I can't really take the credit, I just edited some things to make it a bit user friendly compared to the original, but I am not the one that came up with this theory :D

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Originally Posted by Ami-san
Omg I actually believe that this theory might be correct...

Thanks for posting on this, hah I like adult Hinata in your sig, shes naughty.

Yeah, that's why I thought I'd share it with you guys, Oh and with regards to the sig, there's nothing wrong with raising her sex appeal a level or two :p

rokudaime 07-23-2006 12:23 AM

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I've found this info before, probably your friend's original post, but it's definately one of the best theories i've read so far, so props to whoever put it altogether originally. can't wait to see how much of it ends up being true, if not all of it.

ralatone 07-23-2006 12:33 AM

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Everything ties in so well that i wouldn't be supised if this was all true

The Wolf 07-23-2006 01:10 AM

Re: Theory - The History of the Uchiha and Itachi's Plans
 
I haven't done much research myself, but through word of mouth have heard many theories about the Uchiha Origins and Itachi's defection. This is the best one that I have seen. Very informative, extensive, and nicely tied with both topics together. I believe this one the most, now.

narutoeye 07-23-2006 01:48 AM

Re: Theory - The History of the Uchiha and Itachi's Plans
 
Excellent theory everything seems perfect to me, but I want to add some more points.

1-Tengu married a hyuuga woman and kakashi said: uchiha clan is originally from hyuuga clan maybe something related to this hyuuga woman.

2-We saw the dark fire in naruto also performed by itachi to flee from jeraiya.

3-The third user is no body else, but madara himself, because itachi said there is three MS user only sasuke(in future), itachi and madara who activated long back ago. However I don’t think the one who barely able to sealed tengu will help itachi to release him now.

4-That’s why Itachi told sasuke to fight me when you got MS.

5-It also explains how kyuubi knows madara uchiha.

uchihalegend14 07-23-2006 02:03 AM

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I don't think that the third MS user is madara because itachi's plan is to awaken the tengu king and madara wouldn't help him and i think the unknown member in akatsuki is the third MS user. Also i read somewhere that saskue was the vessle of the tengu king. i also think that itachi is the strongest member in akatsuki and is just using the other members to get the 9 tails and follow his own ambitions. he needs the ability to extract the 9 tails chakra which the akatsuki leader has. i also think orochimaru found out the true power of itachi and left and realized that only another sharingan user can defeat itachi so he went after saskue.

Frontfliper89 07-23-2006 02:06 AM

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:D all are very good theories, i applaud you on your thoughts:cool:

Yondaime_YF 07-23-2006 02:17 AM

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nice theory you did your reasearch thanks
the theory goes with the manga to a certain level
but i just don't think that itachi the guy who destroyed his clan will ever want to fulfil the purpose of the clan. because if he were to release sojobo the only think that could happen is he would kill all those who freed him and everyone else. unless his power can be gained there is no way itachi would want to do that.

DasBones_665 07-23-2006 11:21 AM

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ok now i get it XD


that does make alot of sense

i agree

IceKingV 07-23-2006 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Distortion
I have a few questions, in the whole manga/anime they never did say how the first died? What happen to the girl from the hyuuga clan afterwards? Also where is Tengu sealed? Also what does kyuubi get out of this pact? I see nothing that a demon fox would want... So many questions wow.. real informative though. I'm pretty sure IcekingV didn't even bother reading it with his response >_> ... anyways... great find..

I read it and understand it somewhat but I didn't want to spam :P seriously i had too look some stuff up after reading it. It connects with the Naruto manga in different comprehendable ways.
>>>Interesting Info.: Uchiha bloodline/history, Theory of how Itachi's plan against his loved one's came to be, and possible reason for not killing his younger brother.

It's very obvious that Itachi wants to break the seal that imprisons Sojobo in order to obtain his power. No doubt he is going wait untill Sasuke has obtained that level of Sharingan, and since Kakashi already has copied it well it's safe to say that all three (somehow) are going to unlock Sojobo. But if he really found someone other than these two whom posses the MK Sharingan then that really puzzles me. Who may it be. Is it the leader of his new clan? Damn... lol

Smeeeeee 07-23-2006 12:45 PM

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a very interesting read. i enjoyed it a lot. i hope it all connects. esp with the symbolism with the sasuke naruto fight with them on the statues.

IceKingV 07-23-2006 12:51 PM

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Yea... Sasuke and Naruto (his best friend) just like what happened to Madara

srmark 07-23-2006 01:18 PM

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Great read! I really found the, "if Sasuke kills Naruto, then he would loose the power of the Sharigan." Love it.

Shad0w_Hunter 07-23-2006 01:45 PM

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I must say, that is the most well thought up theory i've heard of. Nice, it looks like it could be true.

uchihamadara 07-23-2006 02:11 PM

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Wow definitely a possibility an your friend must have a vast imagination to think that up.But i must say that the theory is an absolute possibility and you had the evidence to back it up especially the part about the tengu and how kishi went out of his way so we could notice the statues.

IceKingV 07-23-2006 02:31 PM

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This Is Great Stuff. It solves many of my questions.

sujee 07-23-2006 06:22 PM

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great INFO! a lot to think about............

sujee 07-23-2006 06:45 PM

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wow itachi is going to ruin akatsuki plans then?
interesting?

sujee 07-23-2006 06:58 PM

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hmmm maybe shisui is the third user of MK.... ?? or maybe not that would not explain how itachi got the MK...

Konoha no Ninja 07-23-2006 07:50 PM

Re: Theory - The History of the Uchiha and Itachi's Plans
 
Wow this theory actually makes sense... That cant be a coincidence by Kishimoto
But whose the other one other than Itachi and Sasuke(soon to be Mangekyou)?
well sasuke probably has "noble" blood cuz of the tengu king the blood fuels him

Smeeeeee 07-23-2006 07:59 PM

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wow a triple post by sujee.

c0nflikt 07-23-2006 08:03 PM

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Thanks for the post i enjoyed it.

Raging Melody 07-23-2006 08:51 PM

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Wow this was simply amazing I wish I had an intellegent mind like this or should I say crazy, but either way this is awesome!

kamineko_kun 07-23-2006 10:49 PM

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Great to see so many people enjoying this theory, I agree with you all, this is probably the best UChiha theory that I've come upon, which is why I thought it was worthy of sharing with you guys here ^^

Also, for those of you who misunderstood me, my friend wasn't the one who came up with this theory, he simply showed it to me, IF you're going to applaud anyone, applaud the person who came up with this theory originally...he's not a forum member here though unfortunately :(

narutoeye 07-23-2006 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Konoha no Ninja
Wow this theory actually makes sense... That cant be a coincidence by Kishimoto
But whose the other one other than Itachi and Sasuke(soon to be Mangekyou)?
well sasuke probably has "noble" blood cuz of the tengu king the blood fuels him

you are right it can't be a coincidence by Kishimoto, actually kishimoto got many stuffs from the Japanese legend like the three sanin with their summon, the 9 demons and uchiha's sharengan.

i don't think the tengu king the blood in uchiha's clan is noble, according to kyuubi: uchiha blood is more curse than kyuubi's.

Ami-san 07-24-2006 02:09 AM

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Imo this thread should be stickied, its great, no, awesome info.

kamineko_kun 07-24-2006 02:20 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by IceKingV
I read it and understand it somewhat but I didn't want to spam :P seriously i had too look some stuff up after reading it. It connects with the Naruto manga in different comprehendable ways.
>>>Interesting Info.: Uchiha bloodline/history, Theory of how Itachi's plan against his loved one's came to be, and possible reason for not killing his younger brother.

It's very obvious that Itachi wants to break the seal that imprisons Sojobo in order to obtain his power. No doubt he is going wait untill Sasuke has obtained that level of Sharingan, and since Kakashi already has copied it well it's safe to say that all three (somehow) are going to unlock Sojobo. But if he really found someone other than these two whom posses the MK Sharingan then that really puzzles me. Who may it be. Is it the leader of his new clan? Damn... lol

I am quite certain that Kakashi does not fit into Itachi's plans...
For one thing, when Itachi first mentioned the 'other' MS user, Kakashi had not yet aquired this power, which means, there is infact another MS user out there....My bet is that he/she is one of the remaining members of the Akatsuki, but not necessarily the leader

Ore-sama 07-24-2006 02:51 AM

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Wow, that was really interesting and kinda makes sense. I never thought of the tengu before, but they seem to fit in here quite well. Just, what about Madara's age? If he was the first Uchiha and is now in the Akatsuki, he gotta be half-rotten?

I had a theory of my own, but I don't know if I should post it in your thread.

narutoeye 07-24-2006 03:59 AM

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i still think the third person is madara, because
1- i don't think he is one of Akatsuki members. kisame chocked when he saw sasuke, because itachi told him that he killed all the uchiha member.
2- kakashi is not member of uchiha and he can't activate MS.
3- as ore-sama said might be very old or died, but itachi might have a method to retrieve madara and force him to cooperate.

kamineko_kun 07-24-2006 04:09 AM

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This post is assuming the Theory is correct.

IF Itachi could retrieve/revive Madara as you suggested, then I'd doubt anyone in the Narutoverse, let alone Itachi could force Madara to do anything against his will, Madara afterall was the first Uchiha possessing the original 'untainted' Sharingan, also being the spawn of the Tengu King, his powers should be almost limitless, so I very much doubt Itachi could 'force' madara to cooperate with him.
And you're right, the third user definately is NOT kakashi, but he does have MS now, alittle different to Itachi's yes, but still MS, infact, we haven't seen Itachi use Amateratsu, perhaps Itachi's MS actually look like Kakashi's when he uses it? maybe there's a different look to the MS for each of the three MS jutsu? We don't know for sure at the moment...
So, if these theories are correct, Kakashi's MS is a variaton of Mangekyu Sharingan Amatertsu minus the black flame

Oh, and Ore Sama, if you want to, feel free to post your theory as well, afterall, this is a thread discussing possibilities of the Uchiha Origin/Ancestory, as long as you're willing to share, we're willing to listen ^^

narutoeye 07-24-2006 06:32 AM

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itachi is not stupid to kill all uchiha clan expect sasuke and wait for sasuke, unless he is sure about third person cooperation. maybe itachi knows madara weak point or he somehow can control him or somehow persuades him to cooperate. it's true that he can’t force him to cooperate by strength.

Ore-sama 07-24-2006 06:40 AM

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Ok, but this is only about the murder and Itachi. Dunno if it belongs here. Oh well, nobody will die if I post it ;)
So, now, there could be spoilers, please only read on if you know what Itachi stands for, who Orochimaru is and why Sasuke is f*cked up.



So, maybe I'm wrong, but I think it's possible. What if Itachi didn't kill the Uchiha? If he did, one "good" reason is stated in Wikipedia, as a proof of capability to be admitted into Akatsuki.
But if not? Have we seen Itachi kill the clan members or did we just see them die? Itachi was holding a weapon, but you could just stick your knife into someone else's kill to cover them. What if Itachi wanted - or had - to cover the real murderer? Yes, he said he killed them. But he lied before. He said in order to develop the Mangekyou Sharingan, you need to kill your best friend. So where's Kakashi's MS (even if different) from if the man never even had a best friend he could kill (he shed a tear for Obito when the kid died, that's not enough to be speaking of best friends - plus, he didn't kill him)?

And why leave Sasuke alive? To have an avenger? If he feels so guilty, why won't he just kill himself, turn himself in, or let himself be killed by Sasuke when they met at the hotel? His mission to kidnap Naruto seemed to be important enough to hang on to his life, so he apparently can't afford an avenger. So, isn't an avenger quite a bother then?
Someone said he did the whole thing to make Sasuke strong, but Itachi isn't the only shinobi who's amazingly strong, yet did have a family nonetheless. If he wanted Sasuke to become mentally strong by having him digest the loss of a whole family, I say he's stupid which I don't think he is. That kind of procedure is a little risky when applied to an 8-year-old innocent little snotty. Sasuke didn't get strength from this, he got screwed up. His hatred for Itachi didn't get him farther than an Uchiha prodigy would get without the tragedy. On the contraire, it was his former love and admiration for his big brother that fuelled Sasuke's ambition. There was no need to do this.

Here's my theory. Itachi wiped the floor with Orochimaru whereby he chased him out of Akatsuki. So they fought. Why did they fight? Both are incredible shinobi and could be very useful to each-other's goals. If I were one of them, I wouldn't want to lose the other and the use I could put him to. In his research, Orochimaru could easily find a way to cure Itachi's eyes and Itachi, with his quest for a bijuu, could help Orochimaru get closer to knowing all jutsu. So maybe Itachi got pissed at Orochimaru for some reason, such as the man killing his family or something else related to the slaughter?

Or how about this: Orochimaru killed the Uchiha, but Itachi takes all the blame so Sasuke chases him, not Orochimaru who could do some serious harm to the kid? After all, a brother is less inclined to kill you than someone like Orochimaru. Guess he miscalculated and instead of focusing Sasuke solely on himself, he gave him a reason to join Orochimaru. So perhaps Itachi "traded" Sasuke's life for that of the rest of the family because he loved Sasuke most and Orochimaru really, really needed to get rid of the Uchiha?

So why would Orochimaru kill the Uchiha? For one, if they got any stronger, they might get in the way. After all, two of them are already in Akatsuki. Maybe they even hid something useful. Or maybe Orochimaru just wanted to "see things in motion". Killing the Uchiha clan takes a monster, and the intimidation effect must have been huge. "OMFG who did that? Orochimaru? Help!" but Itachi ruined that by telling Sasuke it was him.

Also, if Itachi killed the Uchiha and therefor left Konoha, why should he run? If he can kill the Uchiha clan, he can rid himself of most other opponents who might chase him. He wiped the floor with top elite Kakashi, he beat Orochimaru who's said to be at Hokage level, so who or what did he have to fear? If he sought power by joining Akatsuki, why not attempt a Hokage assassination and make himself Hokage? No, he ran. He ran, taking the guilt of the murder with him and far away from the village and yet further away from Orochimaru, luring Sasuke after him (and without wanting to do so, after Orochimaru as well).

Another version to my theory is, maybe the Itachi Sasuke saw that night wasn’t Itachi. If Itachi was the best of the Uchiha and Orochimaru couldn’t defeat him to take his body, then his brother, another prodigy, would be perfect. And Sasuke was a sweet, loving kid back then, no way he’d be tempted by Orochimaru without the necessary hatred and need to be strong. To kill the Uchiha and sic the kid on his own brother as the culprit and thereby breed a hate-infested killing puppet, would have been a nice way for Orochimaru to prepare his new container. Because, just as he expected, he got Sasuke because of those events. The kid just needed something real bad to happen to grow an ambition evil enough to become as selfish and aggressive as Orochimaru and seek his power.

I started to doubt Itachi was the killer when he showed more and more of himself, always avoiding unnecessary casualties and fighting. If he wiped the floor with Kakashi, he could have torn Kurenai up as well instead of letting them live to sic the village on him. Plus, he’s got quite a sorrowful expression on his face, don’t you think? He seems tired of something and it can't be of the Uchiha cause they're gone.

Of course, I may be wrong, but brooding about stuff is one of my fave pastimes….. I had a much better, more logical theory about it all, but... MWAHAHAHAHA I FORGOT!!

As for reviving Madara, isn't he there already? In some chapter, there was a guy with only his silhouette and eyes shown and the eyes looked very much like Sharingan.

Extrusion`Neji 07-24-2006 09:50 AM

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Very nice and tight theory .
I'm so impressed that there's really nothing i can say about it .
Just call your friends to keep up their work . hehe

Distortion 07-24-2006 01:24 PM

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Ore-Sama wouldn't orochimaru take one of the uchiha clan member's bodies to get the sharingan? The clan was full of elite members, even then all he needed was a suitable body that held the power of the sharingan. So I'm not to convinced about the whole "Orochimaru killed the Uchiha clan" thing because as I can remember it was pretty hard for Orochimaru to keep up with Sasuke even if he was just toying with him. It's like 10 Sharingans vs one orochimaru. O_o.. I think that at that time he was building the sound village or making out with kabuto, whichever but he was very far away from konoha. O_o..

Although I do agree with you on a few things such as Itachi's expression on his face. When it was annouced that Orochimaru had recieved the Sharingan or rather, Sasuke went to Orochimaru, there was a strange look on Itachi's face. I can't wait for about 5 months or something to pass maybe then we'll know more about Itachi's intentions.

jasmi2004 07-24-2006 01:31 PM

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wow, long speech

sujee 07-24-2006 03:43 PM

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the third user is not part of akatsuki!
why would oro go after itachi if he knew there was another user in akatsuki
i mean its obvious that oro has seen only 1 sharingan in the aka....
also why would kisame say "i am surprised to see another sharingan like yours itachi" or something like that...
and deidara... he says he has a sharingan like itachi or something like that... that can only mean 1 sharingan in aka people...

sujee 07-24-2006 03:53 PM

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as well i don't think oro killed the uchihas. itachi actually did.. he killed his parents in front of his brothers eyes... he didn't use his MS.... i agree itachi does have some kind of hidden emotion......

kamineko_kun 07-24-2006 07:15 PM

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you can edit your posts sujee kun, double posting like that could get yourself in trouble with the MODs one day...Im saying this because this has not been your first time to double post...please be careful ok? ^^

Anyway, Ore Sama, there are somethings in your theory I agree on, others Im not quite convinced of...
It's true that Itachi's personality is quite different to what we were originally led to believe...he's not a blood thirsty killer who kills for sport...and he obviously has some kind of feeling of love somewhere for his younger brother Sasuke...like you said, there's sorrow written all over his face...and he obviously didn't leave Sasuke alive to be an avenger.

So what truly happened on that fateful night?
Well, it's anyone's guess really, but I am quite certain it was INDEED Itachi who took everybody's lives, but unlike your theory, I don't believe that he did so in order to show off his power or anything like that, which is why he's not attempted to assassinate Hokage Sama...he must've had another hidden motive.

As for Orochimaru haven't a hand in all this... If Oro really just wanted a powerful container, any of the elite Uchiha members would've been perfect, why would he choose to target Sasuke?
At the time, Sasuke really wasn't anything special, yes he was elite, but I belive there are several elite warriors in the Uchiha, and many of them are ripe for the picking, so why would Oro waste so much time and effort to work on one little kid had not activated his sharingan yet?
Itachi is not trying to take over a country, hence he's not attacked Konoha...I think Itachi was probably ordered to kill off the Uchiha, either by someone in the Akatsuki, or the third MS user that we have not been introudced to yet...

Or perhaps Itachi really was just trying to measure his container/capacity...and left Sasuke alive because Sasuke was the only one he really cared about?

Who knows...good ideas though, afterall theories are just theories until proven otherwise!
We'll see if you're right sooner or later ^^

sujee 07-25-2006 12:14 AM

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yeah sorry about that
anywayz one must really think... why did itachi get so angry when the uchiha rangers accused him of killing shisui... i mean someone would normally get that mad when accused of doing something they did not really do... just a thought but i still think he killed shisui

IceKingV 07-25-2006 02:00 AM

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I am loving the theories here. Keep 'em comin :). Can't wait for the next manga

kamineko_kun 07-25-2006 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by sujee
yeah sorry about that
anywayz one must really think... why did itachi get so angry when the uchiha rangers accused him of killing shisui... i mean someone would normally get that mad when accused of doing something they did not really do... just a thought but i still think he killed shisui

There is a very simple explanation as to why Itachi got so angry at the accusation...that is simply because he was GUILTY...and was playing the innocent guy that was wrongfully accused.

Anyway, here's what I think, possibly a part of him was insulted at the fact that he was the very first suspect on the list.
But the main thing that got Itachi to loose it was the fact that those guys were all so full of themselves acting like they owned Itachi, now, I think we'd all agree if I came out and said that Itachi probably has a reall "Superiority Complex" So, having these rangers who were completely weaker than him talk so disrespectfully towards him, Itachi snapped and the result was him beating down those guys without hesitation

Ore-sama 07-25-2006 02:58 AM

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Nah, not necessarily... being accused of ugly things without being guilty can piss people off to no end. There's a German saying "Who screams is wrong", but sometimes you have to scream so people hear the truth. He could have beat them up in defense, because he felt pressurized or intimidated by the thought of being the prime suspect. Wouldn't be the first time someone fights the authorities because they're after his innocent ass.

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Originally Posted by sujee
as well i don't think oro killed the uchihas. itachi actually did.. he killed his parents in front of his brothers eyes...

All we saw was their parents falling to the ground with him standing behind them.

kamineko_kun 07-25-2006 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Ore-sama
Nah, not necessarily... being accused of ugly things without being guilty can piss people off to no end. There's a German saying "Who screams is wrong", but sometimes you have to scream so people hear the truth. He could have beat them up in defense, because he felt pressurized or intimidated by the thought of being the prime suspect. Wouldn't be the first time someone fights the authorities because they're after his innocent ass.


All we saw was their parents falling to the ground with him standing behind them.

I'm not going to argue with you here, because I agree with what you're saying...however, I believe that for this particular case, Itachi was simply pissed off at the fact that those guys were speaking to him in a tone that got on his nerves...I mean, you could really sense threats coming from those guys, of course Itachi would get pissed off...because I too would be pissed off if someone was accusing me of something in a threatening tone...regardless of whether I am guilty or not..

Also you're right, Itachi never actually killed his parents in front of Sasuke, all we saw were the final results of the massacre, we did not actually see the event taking place in real time...so Ore Sama's theory is still valid, the only time we DID see Itachi actually cut the parents were during his Tsukuyomi Genjutsu, to make Sasuke relive that moment, but you have to remember that Itachi has absolute control of everything that goes on in the world of Tsukuyomi, so even if he wasn't the killer, he can very easily manipulate the image so that it looked like he was the killer...

But in the end, after all that, I personally still think Itachi killed everyone...although his reasons were not as simple as wanting to measure his strength, instead I believe it was an order given to him...but we'll see

idono 07-25-2006 03:41 AM

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wow nice theories...
it does seem like it backed up alot

sujee 07-26-2006 02:36 PM

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@ore-sama

itachi actually did kill the uchihas NOT ORO

Grimmjow 07-28-2006 12:25 AM

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that was crazy,and very logical,that is kind of a spoiler,even to the people that are up to date with both manga and anime,me bieng one of those people,thanks it was very good,and the person that wrote that article in the first place must have studied the topic very deeply and wisely,so i think most of waht was said is true.

Ozumaki Arashi 07-28-2006 12:32 PM

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what s d connection of naruto and the "Fourth " ?

some says Naruto is a reincarnation of the fourth
some says Naruto is Fourth's son
some says Naruto's father(akatsuki leader) was Fourth's brother
i say The Fourth is the leader of Akatsuki coz he's alive and i saw him on the anime episode __ walking towards naruto in the chuunin exam:mad:

gaarasandchick13 07-28-2006 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ozumaki Arashi
what s d connection of naruto and the "Fourth " ?
i say The Fourth is the leader of Akatsuki coz he's alive and i saw him on the anime episode __ walking towards naruto in the chuunin exam:mad:

What episode?

Smeeeeee 07-28-2006 12:53 PM

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hes lying. i've watched every naruto ep at least 5 times and never saw it

MajinX 07-28-2006 01:04 PM

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hmm i dont no why everyone seems so impressed with this theory, sure its a good idea but it also has some holes and alot of it is based on lengends so all the info is already given to the writer and all he has to do is string it together with the naruto manga/anime and make some assumptions to make it work. Still i give him credit for actually taking his time and creating it and all. Alot of effort and i would never be able to do all that without getting bored and giving up before i finish.

Tapioca 07-28-2006 02:34 PM

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Ah, I read this theory a few weeks ago at NF, I liked it. It seems a bit far out, but it has some very interesting points. And the reasoning also has a nice backup to it.

Mizukage Hitsugaya 10 07-28-2006 02:37 PM

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It's very possible I mean this is a very well thought out therory

Uzumaki.K 07-28-2006 06:04 PM

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really appreciate you doing the research and coming up with proberbly the best theory ive heard about naruto enjoyed the read and hpe its true

kid_buu 07-29-2006 02:43 AM

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This theory has already been disproven. If Madara knew 1st Hokage (and fought against him), and if it takes 9 months to make babies, and we assume that girls marry at 18, then why are there so many Uchiha members around (in the flashbacks)? Hasn't it only been a century, since they'd last fought?

Mega 07-29-2006 04:22 AM

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Still, it's an interestin' one, and if it were true, Kishi would be a genious or something ^-^
I liked it, got more interest in the Uchiha's right now :P
Very, very cool, and deep.

srmark 07-29-2006 09:31 AM

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Well, maybe so. Maybe that part is wrong, but you can't say that the whole theory is incorrect just because of that.

NoobYstyle 07-30-2006 01:43 AM

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Wow, this is like the best theory i've ever heard. There may be some holes in it, but its something I could never do, and its so well backed up w/ a lot of work put into it as well.

However, I hate Tengu's, IMHO, they look like pricks & I wanna break that long ass nose off. It bothers me.

sujee 07-30-2006 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kid_buu
This theory has already been disproven. If Madara knew 1st Hokage (and fought against him), and if it takes 9 months to make babies, and we assume that girls marry at 18, then why are there so many Uchiha members around (in the flashbacks)? Hasn't it only been a century, since they'd last fought?

good point... but i don't think kishi thinks THAT far... lol

stipay 07-31-2006 08:40 AM

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that theory really got me thinking ... and i would say that most of us were impressed coz this being a theory it has a lot of back ups..coz the way i see it anime stories are also inspired from history and myths and its got pictures too...of course its got holes tahts why its stil a theory but it is cool.. whether or not it is true.. i see some point and thought hahaha ^_^

**PS**
about the madara thingy that was still part of the theory right? coz its been all over who the hell madara is... and does anyone really know what secrets were in that uchiha temple? haha ^_^

DasBones_665 07-31-2006 12:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozumaki Arashi
what s d connection of naruto and the "Fourth " ?

some says Naruto is a reincarnation of the fourth
some says Naruto is Fourth's son
some says Naruto's father(akatsuki leader) was Fourth's brother
i say The Fourth is the leader of Akatsuki coz he's alive and i saw him on the anime episode __ walking towards naruto in the chuunin exam:mad:



riiiiiiiiiiiiiight whatever crazy XD

the fourth is not the leader he is dead
naruto is not a rincarnation he is naruto
i say naruto is the fourth's son
yondaime is dead deal with it!:mad: :mad: :mad:

kamineko_kun 07-31-2006 07:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by stipay
that theory really got me thinking ... and i would say that most of us were impressed coz this being a theory it has a lot of back ups..coz the way i see it anime stories are also inspired from history and myths and its got pictures too...of course its got holes tahts why its stil a theory but it is cool.. whether or not it is true.. i see some point and thought hahaha ^_^

**PS**
about the madara thingy that was still part of the theory right? coz its been all over who the hell madara is... and does anyone really know what secrets were in that uchiha temple? haha ^_^

You're exactly right, no theory is perfect, but you have to say this is gotta be one of the best if not the best Uchiha theory out there at the moment...it's so well thought out unlike some of the other stuff where people make random claims without making any effort to back them up :D

uchihamadara 08-30-2006 06:19 PM

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Good theory could be true.

naru-toe 05-27-2007 04:52 PM

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Wow you and your friend really thought this through, looks like a nice theory.

Babyface BK 05-27-2007 05:15 PM

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This is the first time I've sat and read through an entire theory and thought it to be true. You've got facts and pics to back this theory up. I reckon that is spot on there. Here's some rep for this post. It isn't a quick BS theory either it is actually really detailed. My eyes are hurting from all that reading lol.

Kina 05-27-2007 05:21 PM

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There is a hole in your theory about Madara being a good person. The kyuubi described his chakra as sinister.

Gaara_of_da_sand 05-27-2007 05:31 PM

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Out of all the theroies that have been post here this by far the most well thought out with reference and such, it really made a very interesting read

AnticitizenOne 05-27-2007 05:59 PM

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Despite several spelling errors, I think this theory is actually believable.

Shrike 05-27-2007 06:55 PM

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Gawd,this thread has been dead for ages <.<
Anyway,this Tengu theory Yasha presented has errors and there are things which can be changed,but it is the best deal so far.It is actually believable for me.

doujitsuspecialist1 05-27-2007 10:01 PM

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if this theory is in fact true then most likely when the akatsuki are through or when they have acquired the ninetails we would see the 3rd ms user which as many thought is not the akatsuki leader(because he appears to have a different eye ability that causes mulitiple rings to appear in his eyes) but anyways the tengu demon would be set free and it would be the ultimate enemy that naruto and co would have to face(if naruto survives the extraction of his bijuu)

but in this theory makes me wonder about the 4th how did he get the power to teleport, i know the seals on the kunei helped him to go to a location more securely but from reading the manga he could of teleported to a location, but anyways could the 4th have been a uchiha because of this ability and we have never seen his full capabilities, soory guys for getting off topic:D

Grimmjow 05-27-2007 10:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Uchiha_Kina (Post 1114229)
There is a hole in your theory about Madara being a good person. The kyuubi described his chakra as sinister.

having sinister chakra doesn't make you evil, sasuke supposedly has sinister chakra, but i really dont consider sasuke as a bad person, just someone who wants to get revenge on his brother for killing his entire clan.

JustPimpin 05-28-2007 01:53 AM

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this was the theory i was tlaking about. that kid that posted this on narutoforums is a genius.....

Ichigo Usaragi 05-28-2007 03:24 AM

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That would be kinda cool and retarted at the same time.

Kaine 05-28-2007 01:42 PM

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i have to say that it is the most believable and best theory about uchiha i have heard here on anywhere else.The theory parts fit almost perfect with everything in the manga.Very good work for posting even if it isn't yours.The only thing i didn't like was about the 2nd ms user that itachi found.It seems a bit off to me to find him easy.Other than this this theory is tons better than the other crap many ppl posted before.

Kina 05-28-2007 02:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by narutorasengan17 (Post 1114666)
having sinister chakra doesn't make you evil, sasuke supposedly has sinister chakra, but i really dont consider sasuke as a bad person, just someone who wants to get revenge on his brother for killing his entire clan.

you're right, sinister could mean the demon blood. But there are still some holes, other than that, is sounds solid.

DemonRage 05-28-2007 02:34 PM

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Plausible theory... I like it!

I think Orochimaru awakened Tengu powers in Sasuke with the CS. If all descendants from Uchiha Madara (and Sojobo) still have some Tengu blood flowing through their veins, the CS could enhance its power.

Babyface BK 05-30-2007 11:24 AM

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If Itachi has a found a 2nd MS user and then including his brother, which is
3rd what about Kakashi he has it as well. He can be used, but obviously he won't coz he's a good guy, but this means there are in theory 4 MS users. Could one of the other aka members have it? It would most likely be an Itachi ally. The only three that can be put in this is Aka leader, Blue haired girl and Tobi.

Ami-san 05-30-2007 10:18 PM

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Wow this thread has revived, and a pretty awesome thread imo. The theory sounds so real, that I read it all over again lol.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bloodkid (Post 1117625)
If Itachi has a found a 2nd MS user and then including his brother, which is
3rd what about Kakashi he has it as well. He can be used, but obviously he won't coz he's a good guy, but this means there are in theory 4 MS users. Could one of the other aka members have it? It would most likely be an Itachi ally. The only three that can be put in this is Aka leader, Blue haired girl and Tobi.

By MS users I think Itachi means that Uchihas that have the MS, Kakashi doesnt qualify.

kluang 05-30-2007 10:59 PM

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So this where the tengu theory came from...... very detail

Babyface BK 05-31-2007 01:20 PM

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I just had a hunch that the Aka leader is probably the other MS user that is why Itachi joind the Aka. This is because the guy wasn't bothered about his clans ways neither Itachi and they have resoect for each other or something. Or he could have just killed an Uchiha and stole his eyes. But we just have to wait and see.

Katon707 01-02-2008 07:40 PM

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i love this theory, im a believer!

radieuxruine 01-02-2008 09:53 PM

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Now that is an excellent theory! Bravo!

SirBenoit 01-02-2008 09:55 PM

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yeah it may be about time that kishi focus on the uchiha and there secrets.. i think this fight will uncover alot of it...

liuaishan 01-03-2008 05:19 AM

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who thought of such a theory really had a large view to see that far back. Damn, many things there make so much sense. So don't but the theory is old, some things were revealed ever since.

I wonder if there is any theory about Naruto so detailed, with symbols from the chapter/volume covers and things observed inside the manga. Coz on the covers, whenever Sasuke wore something symbolic (like that fan or sake bottle or flute) naruto had something too. I really hope those weren't meaningless coz Sasuke's apparently weren't.
Anyway, before saying more, I should read the thread pages so I won't repeat things stated before.

Shade111 01-03-2008 05:53 AM

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Woah, slow down man.
What you're saying here is that Kyuubi is the mother of all uchiha's. That can't be since Madara summoned Kyuubi.


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