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DemonRage 10-09-2009 03:05 PM

Juubi's eye, another doujutsu?
 
First we have byakugan, sharingan and rinnegan. And now there's this:


Is there a name for this kind of eye which happens to belong to a bijuu?

I was also thinking about the capabilities of each doujutsu (it's nothing new and correct me if i'm wrong):

The byakugan can see through things and is able to see someones chakra system. Combined with highly advanced taijutsu the user can block someones chakra flows. The byakugan itself doesn't seem like a offensive doujutsu, but it aids the user in both defensive and offensive manoeuvres.

The sharingan can also see someones chakra system and from it read someones ninjutsu (hence copy wheel). It's also used to cast genjutsu, meaning can disturb someones chakra flow instead of blocking it. In mangekyou mode it becomes an offensive weapon, with some unique abilities: Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu and Susanoo.

The rinnegan appears so be more offensive. I don't know if it can see someones chakra flow too, but I assume it does. It can move chakra in and out of someone's system instead of just disturbing it, effectively removing someones lifeforce or bringing dead bodies alive. The rinnegan also shows great nature manipulation capabilities.

And then there's Juubi's weird looking eye, which looks like a fusion of rinnegan and sharingan, an "ultimate" doujutsu? By the look of it, it might just combine the sharingan's unique abilities with those of the rinnegan. When I think about the other doujutsu, they show gradations in manipulativeness of chakra that's not the user's own. What would the next gradation be? Expanded range?

I hope Kishimoto will soon reveal more about it's power. Until then we can only speculate about it. :)

(I might be confused about what doujutsu means btw... is it the eye itself or the things the the user can do with it? Maybe I should call it a new bloodline limit then.)

Dagoro 10-09-2009 03:29 PM

Re: Juubi's eye, another doujutsu?
 
Its logical to assume that RS did not have the RG before he became the Juubi jink, and that the Juubi was indeed the catalyst that sparked this doujutsu ridiculousness that has consumed the manga.

RS didn't need magic eyes to beat the Juubi, he had an extremely powerful body ( the youngest son inherited it ) to begin with.

T9F 10-09-2009 03:42 PM

Re: Juubi's eye, another doujutsu?
 
juubi is ugly. only 1 eye = ugly. no wonder it was so mad.

Myth 10-09-2009 03:48 PM

Re: Juubi's eye, another doujutsu?
 
its just how its eyes looked its a combo of rinnegan and sharingan.

DemonRage 10-09-2009 04:17 PM

Re: Juubi's eye, another doujutsu?
 
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Originally Posted by Dagoro (Post 1759836)
Its logical to assume that RS did not have the RG before he became the Juubi jink, and that the Juubi was indeed the catalyst that sparked this doujutsu ridiculousness that has consumed the manga.

RS didn't need magic eyes to beat the Juubi, he had an extremely powerful body ( the youngest son inherited it ) to begin with.

That might indeed be the case, RS being an ordinary ninja with an extremely powerful body and that he gained only RG after sealing the Juubi inside him, while the SG part remained dormant until it was awakened in the Uchiha clan.

Maybe, in humans, that RG is dominant over SG, so a some point the Uchiha might have inherited only SG genes. This is then likely the cause of awakening the SG.

I still wonder how BG is related to RG & SG then.

Dagoro 10-09-2009 04:26 PM

Re: Juubi's eye, another doujutsu?
 
At this time it looks as if the BG along with the Hyuga got trolled into oblivion.

Myth 10-09-2009 05:25 PM

Re: Juubi's eye, another doujutsu?
 
the Jubbi's silhouette looks like a fucking giant Moneky. watch it be a Primate im telling you.

Rikudou Sennin 10-09-2009 05:30 PM

Re: Juubi's eye, another doujutsu?
 
Don't you get it? Remember how the Kyuubi's eyes looked like when it was being controlled by Madara. It had sharingan eyes. That's why the Juubi has Rikudou Sennin's eyes/eye. It's being controlled by him.

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Originally Posted by Dagoro (Post 1759836)
Its logical to assume that RS did not have the RG before he became the Juubi jink, and that the Juubi was indeed the catalyst that sparked this doujutsu ridiculousness that has consumed the manga.

In order for the Rinnegan or the Sharingan to awake inside your body you have to be born with it.

Well I found a pick with Kyuubi being controlled with the Sharingan eye and one without:
The one with http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/398/01-02/
The one without http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/399/10-11/
What do you think?

Dagoro 10-09-2009 05:48 PM

Re: Juubi's eye, another doujutsu?
 
Quote:

Don't you get it? Remember how the Kyuubi's eyes looked like when it was being controlled by Madara. It had sharingan eyes. That's why the Juubi has Rikudou Sennin's eyes/eye. It's being controlled by him. In order for the Rinnegan or the Sharingan to awake inside your body you have to be born with it.
Not necessarily.

The new chapter coupled with the last few ones tell a different tale.

Doujutsu has been connected with hatred and evil, while sage techs and physical strenght/powerful body to good. ( see the two sons )

Since the younger son inherited the sage's body its logical that RS had an extremely powerful body himself. Doujutsu has been defeated by force before so a RGless RS defeating the Juubi is not far feched.

After he became its jink RS became the ninja equivalent of a god, since there is no proof that he had the RG before he became a jink it could very well be that he acquired it afterwards.

Now this makes sense to me for a few reasons:

. We havent seen RS with SG aspects, and since the SG has been connected to hatred it could be that RS supressed the darker half of the Juubi much like Minato did with the Kyubi.
. Since the Juubi is something of a deity itself, due to its massive power affecting RS's gene pool could have been a byproduct. Therefore giving bith to doujutsu which manifested itself in the Uchiha clan as the dark haf, while his physical power manifested itself in the Senju.
. As for Madara controlling the Kyubi, now there is a connection. If the Juubi is the genesis of all Doujutsu, the fox being one of its pieces would react to the SG.

Obviously this line of thought has holes in it such as the BG ( it has to be a mutation at this point, its just too weak ), and why the RG didn't manifest at a mass scale like the SG.

Rikudou Sennin 10-09-2009 06:16 PM

Re: Juubi's eye, another doujutsu?
 
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Originally Posted by Myth (Post 1759857)
the Jubbi's silhouette looks like a fucking giant Moneky. watch it be a Primate im telling you.

I think it resembles the Gedo Mazo. It's possible that after all the Bijuu are absorbed the GM will become the Juubi.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/447/08/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/447/10/
In these pics I can count up to 9 or 10 chopped up things LOL.

My thought is that those chopped up things on it's back are actually the incomplete tails.
What do you think about this?

The Special One 10-09-2009 06:33 PM

Re: Juubi's eye, another doujutsu?
 
I don't know, he's called The Six Realms Sage which signifies the six ripple patters of the Rinnegan, as well as the six abilities that each correspond to the individual realms. The only way I'd come to the conclusion that he didn't uncover the Rinnegan until much later, is if he was just considered The Original Sage prior to the Six Realms Sage. But, we don't have that kind of proof yet.

The Uchiha clan, who were born from gaining power in order to exact dominance by killing their loved ones and attaining a more perfected eye, is a perfect excuse as to why power alone is not the way to acheive peace. It seems the thirst for power led to hatred and distrust among brothers and friends of the clan; ironically, only a few could attain such power, which would have led to the clan's eventual demise if the memes were kept and spreaded to the next generation.

I honestly think that the Six Realms Sage made a mistake. Yes, love and understanding can bring peace however, without the power to make it happen, such words become hollow and ambitions become pipe dreams. I'm shocked that the Six Realms Sage could only see peace coming about through sentimental means only. Pretty words are nice however, they hold little water without an iron fist supporting as the backbone.

Both brothers together could have created peace; I don't know what the Six Realms Sage was thinking in just picking one (of course the other would get jealous), even he with such prestige used his power to govern the world with an iron will. Kishi loves to flip flop. If the Six Realms Sage had picked the one with the dojutsu, I bet the one with spiritual energies and enhanced body would end up hating the other.

It is all based off chance really how things turned up.

Dagoro 10-09-2009 06:50 PM

Re: Juubi's eye, another doujutsu?
 
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I don't know, he's called The Six Realms Sage which signifies the six ripple patters of the Rinnegan, as well as the six abilities that each correspond to the individual realms.
The only way I'd come to the conclusion that he didn't uncover the Rinnegan until much later, is if he was just considered The Original Sage prior to the Six Realms Sage. But, we don't have that kind of proof yet.
I agree that we lack the info but we must consider a few things:

. RS wasn't worshiped like a god before he faced the Juubi in battle, the name Sage of the six paths might have emerged as his fame grew after he was victorious over the Juubi, which would them give the " He got the eyes after he became Its Jink " theory some credit.

. We have seen Bijuu being defeated by exceptional yet not haxxed people, RS passed down the means to take out in the form of Bijuu sealing techs which were the means he used to finish the Juubi for good.

The Special One 10-09-2009 07:06 PM

Re: Juubi's eye, another doujutsu?
 
Though, if the Rinnegan was a by-product having the 10 tails sealed within him, how is it that the dojutsu was able to passed down after to the elder son (and his descendants)? But backing it up, how is it that the venerable Sage was able to retain the Rinnegan if the 10 tails was already sealed, and split into 9 parts? If the Rinnegan is a characteristic of being a host to the 10 tails, how is it that he was able to retain the Rinnegan? Some details regarding that are either lost or, not explained fully in depth.

Dagoro 10-09-2009 07:13 PM

Re: Juubi's eye, another doujutsu?
 
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Though, if the Rinnegan was a by-product having the 10 tails sealed within him, how is it that the dojutsu was able to passed down after to the elder son (and his descendants)? But backing it up, how is it that the venerable Sage was able to retain the Rinnegan if the 10 tails was already sealed, and split into 9 parts? If the Rinnegan is a characteristic of being a host to the 10 tails, how is it that he was able to retain the Rinnegan? Some details regarding that are either lost or, not explained fully in depth
I acknowledge that, however were talking about the combined might of the 9 bijuu here, so much power was granted to RS that he was able to CT a moon, clearly the Juubi was no ordinary Bijuu.

Also, the Kyubi as well as Shukaku had physical affects on both Naruto and Gaara. Gaara was unable to have regular sleep patterns and Naruto has the wiskers which signifies the animalistic aspects of his Bijuu.

Juubi being the original seed and the combined might of all 9 makes me think that granting the user who became comparable to a god special physical traits such as magical eyes wouldn't be that implausible.

The Special One 10-09-2009 07:33 PM

Re: Juubi's eye, another doujutsu?
 
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Also, the Kyubi as well as Shukaku had physical affects on both Naruto and Gaara. Gaara was unable to have regular sleep patterns and Naruto has the wiskers which signifies the animalistic aspects of his Bijuu.
Though, there's nothing stating that Gaara can't sleep now. When he had the Ichibi sealed with in him, the beast would eat at his psyche, further making him derranged. However, there's nothing stating that since after it has been removed, he hasn't been able to sleep (as there's nothing causing him to fear sleeping). It is also logical to assume Gaara has lot his automatic sand defensive mechanism, as he probably has to do it manually now.

Having the Kyuubi sealed within Naruto's body signifies that his body can heal and recover at accelerated speeds however, if he were to lose the Kyuubi (and managed to survive) I'm sure he wouldn't have that healing ability again, as there's nothing causing the feat.

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Juubi being the original seed and the combined might of all 9 makes me think that granting the user who became comparable to a god special physical traits such as magical eyes wouldn't be that implausible.
However, there is nothing stating that if the 10 tails were to part ways with him, that he'd be able to maintain that power once he lost it, if the 10 tails indeed caused the Rinnegan to appear within the venerable Sage's body.


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