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Spiegel 08-17-2010 06:29 PM

Obama Strongly Backs Islam Center Near 9/11 Site
 
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Originally Posted by New York Times Online
Obama Strongly Backs Islam Center Near 9/11 Site

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By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG
Published: August 13, 2010

WASHINGTON — President Obama delivered a strong defense on Friday night of a proposed Muslim community center and mosque near ground zero in Manhattan, using a White House dinner celebrating Ramadan to proclaim that “as a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country."

After weeks of avoiding the high-profile battle over the center — his press secretary, Robert Gibbs, said last week that the president did not want to “get involved in local decision-making” — Mr. Obama stepped squarely into the thorny debate.

“I understand the emotions that this issue engenders. Ground zero is, indeed, hallowed ground,” the president said in remarks prepared for the annual White House iftar, the sunset meal breaking the day’s fast.

But, he continued: “This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable. The principle that people of all faiths are welcome in this country, and will not be treated differently by their government, is essential to who we are.”

In hosting the iftar, Mr. Obama was following a White House tradition that, while sporadic, dates to Thomas Jefferson, who held a sunset dinner for the first Muslim ambassador to the United States. President George W. Bush hosted iftars annually.

Aides to Mr. Obama say privately that he has always felt strongly about the proposed community center and mosque, but the White House did not want to weigh in until local authorities made a decision on the proposal, planned for two blocks from the site of the Sept. 11 attack on the World Trade Center.

Last week, New York City removed the final construction hurdle for the project, and Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg spoke forcefully in favor of it.

The community center proposal has led to a national uproar over Islam, 9/11 and freedom of religion during a hotly contested midterm election season.

In New York, Rick A. Lazio, a Republican candidate for governor and a former member of the House of Representatives, issued a statement responding to Mr. Obama’s remarks, saying that the president was still “not listening to New Yorkers.”

“With over 100 mosques in New York City, this is not an issue of religion, but one of safety and security,” he said.

Sarah Palin, the former governor of Alaska and the Republican vice-presidential candidate in 2008, has called the project “an unnecessary provocation” and urged “peace-seeking Muslims” to reject it.

The Anti-Defamation League, a Jewish organization, has also opposed the center.

In his remarks, Mr. Obama distinguished between the terrorists who plotted the 9/11 attacks and Islam. “Al Qaeda’s cause is not Islam — it is a gross distortion of Islam,” the president said, adding, “In fact, Al Qaeda has killed more Muslims than people of any other religion, and that list includes innocent Muslims who were killed on 9/11.”

Noting that “Muslim Americans serve with honor in our military,” Mr. Obama said that at next week’s iftar at the Pentagon, “tribute will be paid to three soldiers who gave their lives in Iraq and now rest among the heroes of Arlington National Cemetery.”

Mr. Obama ran for office promising to improve relations with the Muslim world, by taking steps like closing the detention center at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, and more generally reaching out. In a speech in Cairo last year, he vowed “a new beginning.”

But Ali Abunimah, an Arab-American journalist and author, said the president has since left many Muslims disappointed.

“There has been no follow-through; Guantánamo is still open and so forth, so all you have left for him to show is in the symbolic field,” Mr. Abunimah said, adding that it was imperative for Mr. Obama to “stand up to Islamophobia.”

Once Mr. Bloomberg spoke out, the president’s course seemed clear, said Steven Clemons of the New America Foundation, a public policy institution here.

“Bloomberg’s speech was, I think, the pivotal one, and set the standard for leadership on this issue,” Mr. Clemons said.

Mr. Bloomberg, in a statement, said: “This proposed mosque and community center in Lower Manhattan is as important a test of the separation of church and state as we may see in our lifetime, and I applaud President Obama’s clarion defense of the freedom of religion tonight.”

Sharif el-Gamal, the developer on the project, said, “We are deeply moved and tremendously grateful for our president’s words.”

A building on the site of the proposed center is already used for prayers, and some worshipers there on Friday night discussed the president’s remarks.

Mohamed Haroun, an intern at a mechanical engineering firm, said, “What he should have said was: ‘This is a community decision. Constitutionally, they have the right to do it, but it’s a community decision and we should see what the local community wants to do.’ ”

That's a very ballsy move by Obama to allow this. His decision making abilities are currently in question by the American people which could hinder him during his run for a second term.

stubborn_d0nkey 08-17-2010 06:53 PM

Re: Obama Strongly Backs Islam Center Near 9/11 Site
 
The government has no right to deny a mosque anywhere (if it wouldn't deny a church, temple or any other religious object in the same place.) At least in the states with the freedom of religion and shit

ninjalostboy95 08-17-2010 06:54 PM

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They're just racist I guess.

stubborn_d0nkey 08-17-2010 06:57 PM

Re: Obama Strongly Backs Islam Center Near 9/11 Site
 
Religio =/= race. White, black, yellow, even freaking little green men can be muslims or christians or whatever

ninjalostboy95 08-17-2010 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by stubborn_d0nkey (Post 1866478)
Religio =/= race. White, black, yellow, even freaking little green men can be muslims or christians or whatever

I know but I don't know a word for "prejudice against a religion." So I have to use racist. :D

stubborn_d0nkey 08-17-2010 07:32 PM

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You racist!

Dunno a word for what I want to say, so I have to use racist :P

Dagoro 08-18-2010 01:05 PM

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This came at a bad time. The atmosphere in the US atm is not a very friendly one in most fronts, specially in the political one. I sympathize with Obama supporting this since I too don't equate being of the muslin faith to being a terrorist, but with the American people jumping at the sigh of their own shadows now and days this kind of blow back was a certainty. The location doesn't help either, i mean come on now.

stubborn_d0nkey 08-18-2010 01:10 PM

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Yeah, they could have made it somewhere else.

Dunno how many muslims live in the area, but it should be takin into account that there are usually more mosques than churches in an area.

And its not just a mosque they are building.

kluang 08-18-2010 01:14 PM

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If this continue, I wont be suprised some idiots will gun down Obama.

kael03 08-18-2010 01:36 PM

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Imo, the gesture is on the right track. This country was founded on religious freedom (btw, I'm an Atheist, so I'm not exactly biased towards organized religion in any sense) so who are we to deny a religion, like Islam, the right to set up a place of worship. This gesture is a step in the right direction to get on good terms with the Muslim people of the world and a step in the direction of peace with the Muslim population.

I don't agree with the location for it, unless the Center will focus on raising funds for 9-11 charities and memorials as well as being their way to atone for the people that did this.

Most of the people protesting this move don't/won't realize that the people that caused 9-11 were extremists. Most Muslims aren't like that. In fact, most Muslims all but denounce Bin Laden and his terrorists. While Islam is a violent religion, so is Christianity. Both religions preach that if you don't follow them, something very bad will happen to you.

Dagoro 08-18-2010 01:41 PM

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If this continue, I wont be suprised some idiots will gun down Obama.
Seriously, Obama's presidency was not at all like people thought it would be. But then again during the campaign the dumbocrats set the bar way too high for themselves ( Fuck Obama even said they would cure cancer during his presidency ) where all it should have taken was " We ain't the republicans " to win after 8 years of Bush.

I used to think that the Democrats would lock down the presidency for the next few decades, but even with all 3 branches under their control they still acted like a bunch of pussies and let the Republicans take the public opinion away from them and bully them into a corner.

I now question if Obama would win a re-election, he might but this time i think it will be a much, much harder fight. The HC bill is a water down version of what it should have really been, the hispanic vote will most likely not swing his way in such large margins either since he did nothing towards a reasonable immigration reform, in fact more raids happened during his time in office than in the Bush era. The leaked docs on Afg don't really boast well for him either, even though he just took over that problem but still, its a mess over there.
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Most of the people protesting this move don't/won't realize that the people that caused 9-11 were extremists. Most Muslims aren't like that. In fact, most Muslims all but denounce Bin Laden and his terrorists. While Islam is a violent religion, so is Christianity.
This.

Some Christian churches, pastors etc actually host chapters of the KKK/Arian Brotherhood. They even go as far as using some passages of the bible as proof that what they do is what God wants. Extremists are everywhere really.

Mal 08-18-2010 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kael03 (Post 1866911)
I don't agree with the location for it, unless the Center will focus on raising funds for 9-11 charities and memorials as well as being their way to atone for the people that did this.

^ This.

The US government certainly should not prevent the mosque from being constructed near Ground Zero for obvious reasons, but the people building the mosque have to be especially careful about what they do with the location after the building is completed. Raising funds for 9/11 charities would be an excellent idea, as would supplying food and clothing for New York's less fortunate.

Really, it would be wise for the operators of the mosque to do whatever they can to improve that area of the city. The last thing they want to do is create fertile ground for rumours and fear mongering by keeping to themselves and avoiding the public.

RNB 08-18-2010 08:47 PM

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I don't understand why we can't just let them build the mosque wherever they want. Even if it was on ground zero, why does it matter?

It is all evasion. People want to evade the fact that the Middle East is a serious threat the US, a serious threat which we should blow out of existence. Instead, we have to draw a lottery card every time we see a civilian. If we did this, no one who was sane would give a fuck about a mosque near ground zero.

stubborn_d0nkey 08-18-2010 08:53 PM

Re: Obama Strongly Backs Islam Center Near 9/11 Site
 
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Originally Posted by Mal (Post 1867018)
^ This.

The US government certainly should not prevent the mosque from being constructed near Ground Zero for obvious reasons, but the people building the mosque have to be especially careful about what they do with the location after the building is completed. Raising funds for 9/11 charities would be an excellent idea, as would supplying food and clothing for New York's less fortunate.

Really, it would be wise for the operators of the mosque to do whatever they can to improve that area of the city. The last thing they want to do is create fertile ground for rumours and fear mongering by keeping to themselves and avoiding the public.

I think they are building a community center adn something else, or some stuff like that

Darth-Nero 08-18-2010 09:23 PM

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I don't understand why not build a mosque near ground zero either,are people afraid of some sort of irony that might occur?

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Originally Posted by RNB (Post 1867207)
It is all evasion. People want to evade the fact that the Middle East is a serious threat the US, a serious threat which we should blow out of existence. Instead, we have to draw a lottery card every time we see a civilian. If we did this, no one who was sane would give a fuck about a mosque near ground zero.

Wut?


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