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Spiegel 01-30-2011 09:40 PM

The New Balance of Power in One Piece
 
In the One Piece world the World Government talks about the Three Great Powers that is said to keep a delicate balance in the world. They are composed of: Marines, Shichibukai, and Yonkou but only the first two being equivalent in power to the forces of the Yonkou. The balance of the Three Great Power was mentioned to be threatened when Crocodile was defeated. In recent events we can see that the powers of the Shichibukai have crumbled a bit with Jimbei and Crocodile getting demoted. Also the loss of one of the Yonkou (Edward "Whitebeard" Newgate) was felt throughout the world and a shift in powers amongst the Marines with Garp and Sengoku stepping down from there posts. How do you guys think the Three Great Powers will be re-structured?

ask me anything 01-30-2011 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Spiegel (Post 1929149)
In the One Piece world the World Government talks about the Three Great Powers that is said to keep a delicate balance in the world. They are composed of: Marines, Shichibukai, and Yonkou but only the first two being equivalent in power to the forces of the Yonkou. The balance of the Three Great Power was mentioned to be threatened when Crocodile was defeated. In recent events we can see that the powers of the Shichibukai have crumbled a bit with Jimbei and Crocodile getting demoted. Also the loss of one of the Yonkou (Edward "Whitebeard" Newgate) was felt throughout the world and a shift in powers amongst the Marines with Garp and Sengoku stepping down from there posts. How do you guys think the Three Great Powers will be re-structured?


I think we're going to see a shift to 5 major powers in part 2. Lets break them down individually.

Marines---While I agree the Marines lost a bit of it's power with Sengoku and Garp retiring, they also gained a huge power from all the Pacifistas being produced. In the Marineford battle, I counted at least 12 that took part. In the last 2 years there really is no way of knowing how many more have been produced. They may actually be stronger then ever.

Shichibukai---I predict they replaced all the missing spots so far. Don't know who, but I expect to see 7 lords of the sea again, and powerful ones at that. Maybe Buggy might be there for propaganda purposes, but that's the only exception.

Yonkou---I'm don't think much has changed. Big Mum is confirmed to still be around. I don't see Shanks going anywhere either. So all in all no changes

Dragon---It's about time for him to make his move. He's been patiently preparing his forces for years now. His little campaigns on this and that island were OK, but it's time to take advantage of the turmoil that's going on. Time to unite the revolutionary army in force, and make a stand.

SH's---Yep the 5th and final super power that's about to shake the world. They have come a long way, and are still developing. They will be the deciding factor that decides everything.




The way I see it, things are looking worse for the Pirates in general. Sure WB's death may have sent a flood of pirates to the New World, but in the end it may not have mattered. With the mass produced Pacifistas boosting the already strong Marine/Shichibukai alliance, even veteran pirate crews in the NW may have been taken out. Dragon realizing this, might see his chance of overturning the World Government slip away, and decide to intervene with his forces to even the odds.

Dagoro 01-30-2011 10:57 PM

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I believe the balance applies mostly to piracy. Pirates after all do claim territory, therefore they can have an impact on a much higher lvl than just themselves. Dragon and the revolutionary army are another problem all together. They engage entire kingdoms thus needing a bigger military effort other than the marines.


As for the balance of power, I think in the marines side it will remain largely unchanged as far as structure goes. They can always find new SB, and they need 1 new admiral.

In the pirate world, it will all depend on where BB stands at the moment.

Spiegel 01-30-2011 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ask me anything (Post 1929173)
I think we're going to see a shift to 5 major powers in part 2. Lets break them down individually.

Marines---While I agree the Marines lost a bit of it's power with Sengoku and Garp retiring, they also gained a huge power from all the Pacifistas being produced. In the Marineford battle, I counted at least 12 that took part. In the last 2 years there really is no way of knowing how many more have been produced. They may actually be stronger then ever.

Shichibukai---I predict they replaced all the missing spots so far. Don't know who, but I expect to see 7 lords of the sea again, and powerful ones at that. Maybe Buggy might be there for propaganda purposes, but that's the only exception.

The Pacifista can be assumed upgraded considering what Sentoumaru said about the Pacifista they Luffy, Sanji, and Zoro fought, they were prototypes.
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece...3/page004.html
In that regards the Marines didn't suffer that much of a loss except the retirement of Sengoku and Garp. Though in regards to military strategics Sengoku was l337. Akainu is probably the only person to come somewhat close to Sengoku. I have a strong feeling that because of that Akainu will be the new Fleet Admiral. They will still need someone to replace his spot as one of the three Admirals. I'm curious as to who that might be, it'd have to be someone of Akainu's, Aokiji's, and Kizaru's skill level in order to create order and single-handedly take on powerful pirates of the New World.

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Yonkou---I'm don't think much has changed. Big Mum is confirmed to still be around. I don't see Shanks going anywhere either. So all in all no changes

Dragon---It's about time for him to make his move. He's been patiently preparing his forces for years now. His little campaigns on this and that island were OK, but it's time to take advantage of the turmoil that's going on. Time to unite the revolutionary army in force, and make a stand.

Its obvious that Dragon is going to take this opportunity and capitalize on the losses that both sides suffered (in regards to Marines and Yonkou). We can safely assume that since Teach has two DF abilities and has an epic crew in tow that he is ranked as a Yonkou. I'm sure he is trying to claim the territories that once belonged to WB, with the exception of Fishman Island of course (belonging now to Big Mum). He is a very important person to consider in the Balance of Power. Why? Because up until Whitebeard's death he layed low. He didn't want opposition from both sides, especially from Whitebeard because they are both pirates. The Balance of Power only worked because of Dragon didn't interfere with the Marines affair...yet. Not only that but because the Yonkou's are also aware of the Balance of Power and wouldn't want to distrupt the order of things which further adds support the reasoning as to why Shanks didn't attack the Marines when they were down. They knew that some type of order needed to exists for both sides to co-habitate. Blackbeard and the Pacifista are the big wrench in all of this.

Blackbeard can now considered be a Yonkou but amongst the Yonkou there will be chaos because all four emperors will be busy fighting it out wrecking havoc in the New World. The Pacifistas will be a pain in the ass to the New World pirates as well, this including the Shichibukai as well to some degree. Some like Hancock and Mihawk are hands off type of people unless you cross their paths. Doflamingo might follow orders of the World Government if he feels like it for shits and giggle. Moria is MIA and possibly kicked off the ranks of Shichibukai. The only question to ask is who are the new Shichibukai members and how effective will they be within the group and to the World Government.

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Originally Posted by ask me anything
SH's---Yep the 5th and final super power that's about to shake the world. They have come a long way, and are still developing. They will be the deciding factor that decides everything.

The way I see it, things are looking worse for the Pirates in general. Sure WB's death may have sent a flood of pirates to the New World, but in the end it may not have mattered. With the mass produced Pacifistas boosting the already strong Marine/Shichibukai alliance, even veteran pirate crews in the NW may have been taken out. Dragon realizing this, might see his chance of overturning the World Government slip away, and decide to intervene with his forces to even the odds.

The Straw Hats are strong indeed, they are probably halfway to Yonkou level. Luffy at least could possibly fight with an Admiral evenly now but the same can be said about some of the other Supernovas which would infact possibly be the 4th power in the Balance of Power formula. The way I see it now is going to be this.

Marines + Pacifista/Shichibukai/Yonkou/Supernova Pirates

By Supernova I mean the pirates that would have the most effect in the New World amongst them. Luffy's crew, Trafalgar, Kid, Drake, Basil Hawkins, and Capone. The rest I'm not too sure. These guys I think are rising up the ranks rather quickly and making ballsy moves in the New World.

Dagoro 01-31-2011 05:45 PM

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uffy at least could possibly fight with an Admiral evenly now
That is one pretty big IF. Lets not forget that not only are the admirals and fleet admiral ridiculously powerful Lofia, all of them have Haki as well. Akainu was the most injured in the war since he decided to tango with WB, and was caught off guard by WB.

If Luffy fights Caribou we will be getting confirmation that he can fight a logia effectively, although it is a formality at this point since we know how Haki works. But Caribou is obviously vastly inferior to any of the admirals, I would go as far as saying inferior to Smoker.

wehtam 01-31-2011 10:44 PM

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But Caribou is obviously vastly inferior to any of the admirals, I would go as far as saying inferior to Smoker.

Dont underestimate smoker!!!

Spiegel 01-31-2011 10:54 PM

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I'm just saying that hypothetically speaking Luffy could last in a fight with an Admiral now, I don't expect him to completely pwn them yet but he isn't that far away now.

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Dont underestimate smoker!!!

Smoker has been seen rising in strength as of late. He's is to Luffy what Garp was to Roger in comparison. It wouldn't surprise me if Smoker was Vice Admiral after these two years.

stubborn_d0nkey 02-01-2011 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Spiegel (Post 1929417)
I'm just saying that hypothetically speaking Luffy could last in a fight with an Admiral now, I don't expect him to completely pwn them yet but he isn't that far away now.



Smoker has been seen rising in strength as of late. He's is to Luffy what Garp was to Roger in comparison. It wouldn't surprise me if Smoker was Vice Admiral after these two years.

I hope he never gets there

Dagoro 02-01-2011 03:04 AM

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Smoker is pretty weak compared to other Logia, specially the admirals. He obviously didn't have Haki, and his aoe capabilities are pretty low.

Spiegel 02-01-2011 09:30 AM

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I hope he never gets there

Why not? Not saying he definitely will because we don't know how much the upper levels of the Marine have changed, they might have gotten stronger or a lot more strategic with their approach against pirates. Luffy now isn't a mere rookie anymore, he's experienced tragic losses, under went through the hells of Impel Down, and the chaos of the a war. Jimbei helped reshape Luffy's purpose in life and Reyleigh helped in training to control his resolve through the training of haki. Two years later we see a way more confident Luffy with the potential to go toe to toe with an Admiral given how easy it was for him to one-shot K.O. a Pacifista. Luffy is trying to be the Pirate King, why would it be a bad thing if Luffy were to go against even with an Admiral? I'm not saying that he can take on all three at once.

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Smoker is pretty weak compared to other Logia, specially the admirals. He obviously didn't have Haki, and his aoe capabilities are pretty low.

True. But a lot can change in two years, Luffy, Sanji, and Zoro are living testimate to that. Sure Smoker is weaker compared to other Logia users, well he was seen to be in somewhat of a stalemate against Ace back in Arabasta but they weren't even going all out. Smoker's disadvantage just like Luffy was lack of haki, if he is to rise the ranks of the Marines (which he most likely will) he'll have had to develop the use of haki. Why? Because he is now stationed in the New World with even crazier pirates roam the seas.

Plus at first glance we have seen certain devil fruits looking "weak" or "useless" in the beginning but that have been known to improve with training just like Luffy's Gear 2 and Crocodile enhanced use of his sand abilities to cut and absorb.

Gakure 02-01-2011 10:19 AM

Re: The New Balance of Power in One Piece
 
I see the power balance to be the same.

The balance of power is b/n the world govt and pirates. ie Marines/Shichibukai vs. Yonkous. Other things dont matter.


The Marines:
The marines have lost Garp and Sen, but they be replaced. I say Sakazuki takes the Fleet Admirals Post, whilst he is replaced by Momouza(the VA with the 7ways). Smoker is out cos he wants freedom to persue the SH, not that he could do anything against them now.

PX are also a great power-up 4 them and with the inclusion of Sentomaru, who is now a ranked officer of the marines and Garp+Sengoku as trainers, I don't see a fall in the marines power but a significant rise in their overall power.

Shichibukai
I believe Buggy to be one of them and maybe one of the Rookies. The rest remain the same. Moriah can easily be replaced. Their power remains to same with the filling of the vacant seats

Yonkou
BigMam, Shanks, Kaido and BB. I believe the WB pirates have separated now and pose no major problem 4 the marines to be considered a 'world power'. The yonkous are battling it out in the NW and the remnants of WB pirates also looking for a spot.


To others:
Dragon
Dragon is not a pirate. He is a revolutionist. So he doesn't come in here IMO. He continues what he is doing ie toppling Kingdoms untill a major incident occurs which will involve the SH.

The SH
They remain regular pirates like the others going on their adventure looking for no 'title' or whatsoever. Their actions(maybe finding out the true history or one piece, defeating a yonkou later on, or warring with marines-possible cos they got alot of allies now) will results in major power shift. This change in power will bring in Dragon and his cronnies.

ask me anything 02-01-2011 12:20 PM

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Dragon
Dragon is not a pirate. He is a revolutionist. So he doesn't come in here IMO. He continues what he is doing ie toppling Kingdoms untill a major incident occurs which will involve the SH.

I disagree. Dragon does indeed come in here.

When you get down to it, there are really only 2 sides here anyway. The World Government, and everyone that oppose them. The Marines and Shichibukai are just the enforcing arms of the government. Although they have 2 separate reasons for being loyal. The marines out of loyalty, and the Shichibukai out of personal security.

On the flip side of the equation the Pirates and the revolutionary army are both the enemies. Both for separate reasons as well. Pirates just want to be selfish while Dragon is doing it for a cause. You can't just say Dragon doesn't count here because he's not a pirate, because his underlining methods are about the same as them anyway.

Loh' 02-01-2011 01:29 PM

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I actually think there might be a confrontation between Dragon and Garp... I have no idea why, but I think this is coming!

Dagoro 02-01-2011 01:32 PM

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I doubt it. Garp stepped down from his position as a Marine VA, hes only there now not to create distention amongst the ranks by making things appear business as usual.

Loh' 02-01-2011 01:44 PM

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Well I actually hope Garp stays in East Blue.

As for my thoughts on Dragon seeing his Dad... Seems outrageous now.
Luffy and Dragon is more likely than Dragon and Garp


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