Originally Posted by Trey
C'mon, let's bring this back. Much in the way of good discussion came about from the FC.
So, I know Jiraiya has to have ascended--even partially--on everyone's genius list.
I, personally, think he has absurd speed for a person his age. I always thought of him to be the strong, durable, powerhouse type, but he was agile as fuck in his mano-y-emo encounter with Pein.
Kishi just killed off one of the Naruto franshise's greats.
With everything that you've stated, Jiraiya's still not a genius (and never will be). He had to work hard for all the things that he knows as it didn't come easy for him. So, at the least, he's not on my genius' list.