Originally Posted by Shrike
You are right there about Jiraiya.
But I didn't like him being a sensei of AL. I wanted AL to be someone whose hype cannot be shaken that easily, showing him young and vulnerable. Madara is more that material - a guy who is ridiculously old, but isn't really aging. That is what type of AL I wanted.
Yet, even Madara's hype is shaken. Shodai defeated him, and him being part of the Uchiha clan is strait bad for me.
I didn't need more than 2 Uchihas in the story.
If I see AL saying:"If you had known my secret, you would have pwned me, Sensei."
I wanted warlord AL who would respect his opponent, but crush him without holding back, or having a god complex one moment and the other saying he would have died.
Now, I don't see anyone qualified enough to be a good main villain. Actually, I don't see any of these Akatsuki guys as much of a threat anymore. You can just gangband on them, and they are dead.
Eh, I liked seeing Nagato young and vulnerable. Just as I liked seeing Orochimaru contemplating at the grave site of his parents. It gives the villian another dimension... same with Sasori's fatal pause and Deidara's obsession with his art.
I like Madara. xD I know you can't agree, but I like how the main villian ties into the origins of Konoha... because even though he is an Uchiha, the Uchihas were Konoha's Police Force... so while the focus is half Uchiha, it is also half Konoha. Then you have Pein's vision of changing the world through unimaginable pain and suffering... So now the story's focus encompasses the entire world and the origins of Konoha and the Kyuubi (so it encompasses the past as well). Both Naruto and Sasuke are vital, and looking back, Kishimoto foreshadowed this with the VotE.
Madara being defeated by Shodaime doesn't bother me. If you look at Orochimaru, while he did stir up a lot of shit and take out a couple Kages, he never really won. So I do not mind that. Actually, I like it better than, say how Itachi was presented for such a long time, the guy that immobilize anyone just by looking at them. <.<
So I do think Madara is qualified as the ultimate villian. He makes it personal for both Naruto and Sasuke... (Kyuubi and Uchiha Massacre). I just want to see more of him. xD
Originally Posted by Shrike
Madara ruined Pain and Itachi.
Both of those characters had endless possibilities of being crazy original characters. Both of them look funny now.
Pain, because of the reasons I already said.
Itachi for being mysterious for 380 chapters, and then be revealed as a henchmen is making me lol IRL. Seriously.
I didn't know Kishimoto enjoyed ruining his characters.
After the third party being involved in the whole brothers business, Itachi vs Sasuke is an empty battle. Itachi has no purpose, he is empty. A hollow. Dead thing.
Being as such, I dropped the manga for a while. I will maybe get interested later again. But for now, I absolutely have no interest in how Itachi vs Sasuke will end.
Itachi still has a purpose. He tried to destroy his brother's life. <.< Even though he may no longer have that universal impact that Madara does, it's highly personal between him and Sasuke. And for that, I am still totally interested in their match.
Originally Posted by Shrike
Yes, but! He is still the "destined child". Why couldn't he remain a dropout who will be the best with hard work?
Answer:Because every epic story has some kind of prophecy.
Question:But why does Naruto had to be unoriginal when it had a huge chance not to be so?
I believed in Naruto. I was so happy when he won against Neji. I was so happy when Neji changed himself. I was watching the anime with a smile on my face while Naruto changed people (which you don't find realistic, but I do like it because Kishimoto wrote it perfectly).
After I read about the Destined Child, I frowned. So much for that.
I love the scenes with Naruto empathizing and influencing his 'enemies'. But yes, I think realistically, it would take far more than that. xD (Team 07 and Hinata are the ones I find most realistic, because it took all of Part I for Sakura to see the real Naruto, Sasuke is still following his own path, Kakashi came to see Naruto's strength through observation/critical situations, and Hinata admired his characteristics but is still struggling with changing herself). Such things are, in the real world, processes that take time, and sometimes, take an entire life...
Though I was definitely able to accept Neji and Gaara's growth, because of the scroll Neji recieved from his father, and seeing how Gaara only wanted love and is also a jinchuuriki, so he and Naruto have that vital understanding.
I suppose having Naruto as the destined child, and Jiraiya as the mentor of both Pein and Naruto, it makes Pein personal to Naruto... Pein fights with multiple bodies, Naruto's signature move is the kage bushin... I think Pein is suited for Naruto... he sees himself as a God, as someone who has the authority to decide the fate of the world... Naruto would spit on that in a heart beat. And growth through ultimate suffering? Naruto knows all to well that pain and loneliness only lead to darkness, not salvation.
But I would like to have more focus on Pein, so I can become more attached to his character, and not just his influence in the story. (Kinda like how I viewed Itachi, though Itachi's words are more interesting than Pein's, definitely).
But I do see where you're coming from, I really do. Just try to make the best of what's been revealed... don't quit the story! >.<