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Eh, I liked seeing Nagato young and vulnerable. Just as I liked seeing Orochimaru contemplating at the grave site of his parents. It gives the villian another dimension... same with Sasori's fatal pause and Deidara's obsession with his art.
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I totally see what are you trying to say.
I would agree if the morals of this story weren't shaken already.
But even so, I wanted AL to be different material. I wanted him to be someone who in the start won't show any openings. Such a character would actually pose a threat. It would give us the "Wtf, how do you kill this guy?" reaction. That is what I wanted from AL and BH.
Not only that, but as you would try finding his weak spots you would stumble upon some of his connections with the story the way you never expected.
It could have been done. We all know what was going to happen after Jiraiya said he is going to the Rain Village.
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I like Madara. xD I know you can't agree, but I like how the main villian ties into the origins of Konoha... because even though he is an Uchiha, the Uchihas were Konoha's Police Force... so while the focus is half Uchiha, it is also half Konoha. Then you have Pein's vision of changing the world through unimaginable pain and suffering... So now the story's focus encompasses the entire world and the origins of Konoha and the Kyuubi (so it encompasses the past as well). Both Naruto and Sasuke are vital, and looking back, Kishimoto foreshadowed this with the VotE.
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Indeed, but the only problem with that is that we weren't given anything about it back in Part I.
So, if I focused on Sasuke and Itachi (which I somewhat did), I cannot enjoy that anymore. The theme of an avenger and a murderer is dispelled with adding of one character. Makes them both empty.
I am more dissatisfied with Itachi's development, of course.
But the whole overhyping Sharingan in Part II made me weary of Uchihas. I wanted it to end with MS, but there seems to be a way to control Kyuubi with it...
I wanted something new. You can connect anything with Konoha. Not only Uchihas.
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Madara being defeated by Shodaime doesn't bother me. If you look at Orochimaru, while he did stir up a lot of shit and take out a couple Kages, he never really won. So I do not mind that. Actually, I like it better than, say how Itachi was presented for such a long time, the guy that immobilize anyone just by looking at them. <.<
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Yeah, that's true.
Still, as I said above, I didn't like that. Still, Madara type of AL is much better than Pain ( if only he wasn't an Uchiha...)
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So I do think Madara is qualified as the ultimate villian. He makes it personal for both Naruto and Sasuke... (Kyuubi and Uchiha Massacre). I just want to see more of him. xD
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I am sure Madara is the final villain. If Zetsu doesn't take over somehow =D
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Itachi still has a purpose. He tried to destroy his brother's life. <.< Even though he may no longer have that universal impact that Madara does, it's highly personal between him and Sasuke. And for that, I am still totally interested in their match.
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For such a huge Itachi fan as I was, he is as good as dead.
A guy who has been shrouded in mystery for 381 chapters. I expected something major to his reason behind the massacre, and everything he has done. Not killing Orochimaru. Joining Akatsuki. Being Sasuke's goal.
He is now not the same character. He is not the one who he was until now.
It is true that Itachi/Sasuke battle is still personal, but we know nothing bad can happen to Sasuke. We know Sasuke has a new person to go after, Itachi is completely expandable.
That is why I hold no interest in this fight anymore.
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I love the scenes with Naruto empathizing and influencing his 'enemies'. But yes, I think realistically, it would take far more than that. xD (Team 07 and Hinata are the ones I find most realistic, because it took all of Part I for Sakura to see the real Naruto, Sasuke is still following his own path, Kakashi came to see Naruto's strength through observation/critical situations, and Hinata admired his characteristics but is still struggling with changing herself). Such things are, in the real world, processes that take time, and sometimes, take an entire life...
Though I was definitely able to accept Neji and Gaara's growth, because of the scroll Neji recieved from his father, and seeing how Gaara only wanted love and is also a jinchuuriki, so he and Naruto have that vital understanding.
I suppose having Naruto as the destined child, and Jiraiya as the mentor of both Pein and Naruto, it makes Pein personal to Naruto... Pein fights with multiple bodies, Naruto's signature move is the kage bushin... I think Pein is suited for Naruto... he sees himself as a God, as someone who has the authority to decide the fate of the world... Naruto would spit on that in a heart beat. And growth through ultimate suffering? Naruto knows all to well that pain and loneliness only lead to darkness, not salvation.
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Awesome points.
I need not add anything, you said it better than I could ever have.
The only thing I still don't like is Pain. He could have called himself Pain for other reason. This way, he is ridiculous to most of us Akatsuki fans.
Kakuzu showed much less emotion. And being a bad guy is all about being cold. Thus, so far Kakuzu>Pain.
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But I would like to have more focus on Pein, so I can become more attached to his character, and not just his influence in the story. (Kinda like how I viewed Itachi, though Itachi's words are more interesting than Pein's, definitely).
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I would like to see the real truth about him, but that is all.
I know he will fall for KB feint and a FRS like Kakuzu did.
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But I do see where you're coming from, I really do. Just try to make the best of what's been revealed... don't quit the story! >.<
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I quited for some time. I just don't want to spend every day checking spoilers and stuff.
I will come back to the manga later. When I hope some things will repair.