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Old 01-22-2008, 11:17 AM   #1229
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Re: The Genius FC

Originally Posted by Shrike View Post
I totally see what are you trying to say.
I would agree if the morals of this story weren't shaken already.

But even so, I wanted AL to be different material. I wanted him to be someone who in the start won't show any openings. Such a character would actually pose a threat. It would give us the "Wtf, how do you kill this guy?" reaction. That is what I wanted from AL and BH.
Not only that, but as you would try finding his weak spots you would stumble upon some of his connections with the story the way you never expected.
It could have been done. We all know what was going to happen after Jiraiya said he is going to the Rain Village.
I understand, but I suppose Madara is intended to be the villain that stirs such a reaction... someone Itachi idolizes, was there at the founding of Konoha, could control Kyuubi 'like a pet', gives orders to Pein, etc.

Originally Posted by Shrike
Indeed, but the only problem with that is that we weren't given anything about it back in Part I.
So, if I focused on Sasuke and Itachi (which I somewhat did), I cannot enjoy that anymore. The theme of an avenger and a murderer is dispelled with adding of one character. Makes them both empty.

I am more dissatisfied with Itachi's development, of course.
But the whole overhyping Sharingan in Part II made me weary of Uchihas. I wanted it to end with MS, but there seems to be a way to control Kyuubi with it...

I wanted something new. You can connect anything with Konoha. Not only Uchihas.
It's true that there are other ways Kishi could have connected the main villain to Konoha, other than through the Uchihas. But this is the focus, Konoha, Kyuubi, and Uchiha. =/ I think it is a bit too late for Kishi to expand into another aspect entirely... he's already having trouble giving his characters justice, it would be a terrible shame if he failed the story as well, with just having too much to cover... at least right now, there is still a chance for him to tie everything up decently or even surprisingly well.

But it was hinted at in Part I with the revelation of a secret concerning the Uchihas. We've known about that since the Invasion Arc. I mean, I always knew the Uchiha clan would have a major role in the story... and honestly I like that. xD Holds a lot of interest for me...

I can see where your coming from with Itachi's role of murderer becoming less vital/empty, but I don't think it detracts from Sasuke's role of avenger. It actually widens his role as one and prolongs it. And now, his role will take him to the very origins of the clan, Konoha, and perhaps Kyuubi.

Originally Posted by Shrike
For such a huge Itachi fan as I was, he is as good as dead.
A guy who has been shrouded in mystery for 381 chapters. I expected something major to his reason behind the massacre, and everything he has done. Not killing Orochimaru. Joining Akatsuki. Being Sasuke's goal.
He is now not the same character. He is not the one who he was until now.

It is true that Itachi/Sasuke battle is still personal, but we know nothing bad can happen to Sasuke. We know Sasuke has a new person to go after, Itachi is completely expandable.
That is why I hold no interest in this fight anymore.
Sasuke could still fail in defeating Itachi, because of his own mind-set and use of CS. But you are right, Sasuke's role is much more secure than Itachi's as of now. (of course, it always was... from my pov)

But yes, atm I sort of regret rating Itachi a 7 in the character threads. He got two points from me for expectation/mystery.. and now that he has started to reveal his stance/intentions, I find my interest/expectation rising for Madara and falling for Itachi... so yeah, I completely understand why this bothers you. =/

Originally Posted by Shrike
Awesome points.
I need not add anything, you said it better than I could ever have.

The only thing I still don't like is Pain. He could have called himself Pain for other reason. This way, he is ridiculous to most of us Akatsuki fans.

Kakuzu showed much less emotion. And being a bad guy is all about being cold. Thus, so far Kakuzu>Pain.
Why thank ya xD

lol. I never had much interest in Kakuzu, but his dynamic with Hidan was more interesting than Pein's with Konan (so far), so yeah. xD lol

Originally Posted by Shrike
I quited for some time. I just don't want to spend every day checking spoilers and stuff.
I will come back to the manga later. When I hope some things will repair.
Ah, well it is your choice, of course. =/
If the elephants have past lives yet are destined to always remember
It's no wonder how they scream
Like you and I they must have some temper

And I am dreaming of them on the plains
Dirtying up their beds
Watching for some sign of rain to cool their hot heads

And how dare that you send me that card when I'm doing all that I can do
You are forcing me to remember when all I want is to just forget you

If the tiger shall protect her young then tell me how did you slip by
All my instincts have failed me for once
I must have somehow slept the whole night

And I am dreaming of them with their kill
Tearing it all apart
Blood dripping from their lips and teeth sinking into heart

And how dare that you say you'll call
When you know I need some peace of mind
If you have to take sides with the animals
Won't you do it with one who is kind

And if the hawks in the trees need the dead
If you're living you don't stand a chance
For a time though you share the same bed
There are only two ends to this dance

You can flee with your wounds just in time or lie there as he feeds
Watching yourself ripped to shreds and laughing as you bleed

So for those of you falling in love keep it kind
Keep it good
Keep it right
Throw yourself in the midst of danger but keep one eye open at night

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