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Originally Posted by Miles T
You seem to have missed my point here: both stating that 2+2=5 and that religions are correct are invariably done without showing a reasonable degree of evidence. While my analogy may not be perfect, it serves its purpose. Showing that 2+2=5 and championing the claims of religion are extraordinary claims that require extraordinary evidence that is invariably lacking. We cannot absolutely disprove any proposition, but we can sometimes show that they are not only unsupported, but also logically or mathematically impossible or only vanishingly likely.
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Okay.
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Orwell’s ‘1984’ actually attempts to point out the folly of thinking that belief constitutes knowledge, contrary to what your cheap shot suggests. If you are going to name drop, at least try to get your facts straight.
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I do have my facts straight, I've read the book. I was only making a passing comment of that one scene in the book.
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Considering that you have not even provided a definition for ‘him’, that statement does not hold much weight. And of course…that a claim is not disprovable does not necessarily make it correct nor necessarily even remotely likely.
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I'm not, nor ever, tried to prove that God, or any variation of him, exists. It's possible he doesn't, and the only harm that comes out of me believing in him is that if I'm wrong, I just stop existing.
Now, look. People will do things in the name of their Lord. It is a way to control the masses to produce a desired effect. However, people swayed like that on a grand scale were weak minded or easily influenced anyways. The way I was brought up was quite different from those hardcore evangelical and covenanted Christians. So, trying to say all people who believe in god or the idea of one are illogical is a bit extreme. Trying to "show us the light" will do nothing. Minds far greater than yours or mines entertain the thought of a higher being. It's not so wrong to have faith, is what I'm saying.
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That the number of innocent people subjugated due to religion goes not only into the hundreds of millions, but probably even into the billions flies in the face of this statement of yours. Just think about the scale of that for a moment. Hundreds of millions of innocent people! When you realise the extent of all the atrocities that have occurred in religion’s name, perhaps you will reconsider your position.
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I know the ramifications, Miles. But if you honestly think those hundreds of millions of people would go on Crusades, or burn crosses, or cause genocide to another religious group, is a bit farfetched. Those were the atrocities you were alluding to, right?