Tsuna, I apoligize for my weird sentence structure. however you have been able grasp what i was trying to articulate quite well.
But at Miburo u said the following
Doesn't matter. As human beings, we're capable of reason. We can separate one from the other. And there are tons of moral theories that do just that. Like virtue ethics of aristotle, for example. You can base your morality around logic. You don't need to rely on religion at all to do so.
Lets assume for this situation by moral i am talking about positive morality by todays standards. As i said before morality and religion have become so intertwined that if a man was to lead a moral life by todays standards and didnt believe in or profess a god dos not mean that he is living a moral life absent of religion. He is simply living a moral life in which the belief and/or fear God is not the reason for his morality, however the man is still influnced by religion wether it be based of the law or some thing else which is ultimatley linked to religion.
A perfect example is this
"There was a billboard in NYC subway station from an atheist group:
“A Million New Yorkers Are Good Without God. Are You?” -This illustratres that Athiest can not believe in God and still be "good" yet it also illustrates that so many assoscitate That the sense of Good is tied to religion. And not just religon now. All religion from Zoroastrianism to Shinto.
Note that this is a debate. Your beliefs don't mean anything if you can't back them up with evidence. If you believe that religion is the root of all morality, and people can not base their morality on anything else, then you have to prove that. With evidence. Have fun with that.
And as for this of course i will not be able to thouroughly prove that Men have been non savage with out religion, mostly because humans have had beliefs in an after world/God system since the dawn of time.I dont know what the quality of life was without religion but for a clue we can only look to the animals.
(lets keep it down to just 3 rebutles...i dont wanna be here all night...this is numbah 2 for me)