Originally Posted by TrueUCHIHA
Incorrect. You may have lived a moral life without religious belief but you have NOT lived a moraly positive life without any influence of Religion at all. I am sure that who ever has told u what is right and what is wrong has borrowed their beliefs from or have been influenced by religion. Wether or not you accept religon isnt the issue here. its wether or not u have been influnced by it, which you have.
I dunno about you, but I'm not six. So I can decide for myself what is right and wrong. And I make those decisions without taking any religious views into account. So no, my beliefs and actions in no way are influenced by religion.
Seriously, are you incapable of fathoming people actually thinking for themselves? Is that really such an unbelievable concept to you? Because that's basically all I'm saying. People can think for themselves. Just because some people made up some religions or even moral guidelines before I was born doesn't mean I'm incapable of thinking for myself and deciding what to believe.
Not that any of that even matters. I'm answering the question of the debate. Can a man live a moral life without religion. The answer is yes. Like I said, religion and morality can exist separately. That is a fact. There are moralities that don't take any religion into account, I've named one already. So therefore, religion and morality are separate things.
It's fully possible for a man to follow a non-religious morality.
There you go. Morality without religion. I've proven my claim.
You haven't proven yours. You've provided no semblance of a formal argument. You've provided no valid counter-argument to my claims at all. Show how all philosophical moralities that are based on virtue of character and reason are actually based on religion with actual evidence.
Give actual examples. Don't just bullshit and keep saying "lol lyke religion influences all dat durrr hurrr" without backing anything up. Otherwise, you've been completely and utterly defeated.
Going by your logic you are saying that because you are ignorant to the existence of something that means your are in no way influenced by it. I wont take the time to debunk this because the flaw in this statement is to great to be counted as a valid argument.
Yeah, except that wasn't the point of that hypothetical scenario at all. I simply presented a scenario where you couldn't bullshit like you tried to do above. There is no one there to influence the island guy, there is no religion. Just pure rational morality.
And Protip: Saying something is flawed without showing why doesn't make for a good counter-argument. I could just say all your shit is stupid, which should be obvious to all. I don't, I actually man up and back my shit up.
Again, not that it matters, since you missed the point completely. So you would have just been wasting more of your time if you did. Just letting you know for future reference, in case you get into a debate in the future with someone and what they're saying doesn't totally go over your head.
Also, way to pretty much totally ignore Tsuna's shit. Pretty unmanly.