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Old 07-12-2010, 01:36 PM   #56
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Re: Is it possible for man to live a moral life without religion?
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Originally Posted by Miburo View Post


You know we're talking about morality right? You know, a personal code of conduct. We're not talking about behavior traits or something that would actually make sense to use the nature/nurture shit on. A person ultimately decides on his own what his personal morality is. It isn't decided for him.
I wasn't the one who brought up the "nature/nurture shit" it was katrina, oops (sorry) katie if I'm not mistaken

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Just because people are raised to believe in the tooth fairy doesn't mean they'll go through life believing in the tooth fairy. Same concept applies here. If you're raised being taught certain things are right and wrong, you can still later decide that you don't believe in any of that shit and choose your own morals to adhere to.

Your personal morality isn't something that is imprinted on you. It's something you decide on your own. We're talking about morality. That's the topic of this thread. How you were raised might effect a number of things. But it doesn't mean there is a direct effect on your morality itself, since humans are capable of reason and thinking on their own. Not that they all use it, but they are still capable of it.

You'll pretty much have to show that we're not capable of thinking for ourselves in regards to making fully conscious decisions if you're going to disagree with what I've just wrote.
I never disagreed with what you've just wrote, not in the post you've quoted, have I? Yeah, your persona, your thinking and reasoning influences your morality. I acknowledged it. I just didn't dwell on it that much since I assumed it was a given. I didn't agree that religion has no effect on morality, even with nonreligious people. Thats what my post was mostly about. If I argue for religion having an effect on ones morality via nurture, and dwell on that, it by no means I'm saying that a person can't decide otherwise.

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If you're raised being taught certain things are right and wrong, you can still later decide that you don't believe in any of that shit and choose your own morals to adhere to.
You can! Exactly. You can, and you probably will change your opinion on some things. However, do you really think anybody has ever completely changed their whole morality from what they were taught? Or even a bigger portion of it? I would say no. Nurture DOES have an effect on your morality, if you think otherwise you are..... Would any random person have the same morality if they grew up and lived where you did, or in a cannibalistic tribe? No. if you think yes, you are.....

Anyways, I see you are using one of your usual tactics. Making your arguments not about what the other person wrote, but something that seems similar, but what isn't what that person meant. They are usually solid arguments since you usually pick something similar that is easy to defend. If somebody read your post they would think you are arguing against something totally different than what I wrote.

I argued for religion through nurture (and thus nurture) influencing one's morality. You argued for people being able to chose/decide upon their morality through reasoning and thinking. They are not contradicting statements! Nurture influencing one's morality does not mean people can't decide for themselves! That is why your post is useless as a reply to my post!


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Originally Posted by Miburo View Post
The only time someone made a comment of what the general people believed in this thread was when TU was talking about people associating religion with morality. Not about what the general moral beliefs are of some particular culture.

And you can show that a particular morality is logical or not based on the reasoning behind it. Which is what debates about moralities revolve around.



Uh, alright, whatever. Thanks for trying to share, I guess. Don't see why you're bringing this up. But whatever.
Both of those were mostly to avoid future arguments of that type.

BTW. You can show, but you can't prove something is moral. If you believe that it is possible, then you are somewhat contradicting yourself.
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Quotes for noobs (learn how to break up a quote)
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Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future
So you can post the second bit and i shouldnt be allowed to if i dont tell you? Why be so rude?

Anyways, here is a quotes for noobs guide


1. A basic quote

[*QUOTE][*/QUOTE]

(the * need to be removed for it to work, I put them in so you can see the text) is a basic quote that just wraps something in a quote without saying who quoted it who quoted so

[*QUOTE]this is a quote[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
Quote:
this is a quote

Edit: there is a button for this, it looks like a speech bubble. If you select text and then press the button the selected text will automatically be wrapped with the quote tag


2. A quote that says who said it

[*QUOTE=who said it][*/QUOTE] this adds who said the post, manually putting that there can be useful when quoting something external. Example:

[*QUOTE=Mangastream]Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mangastream
Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us
3. A quote that says who said it and links to the post where it was said

[*QUOTE=who said it;X][*/QUOTE]

Where X is the post number.

For the post that i originally quoted it would look like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]

That is what you get when you press the quote button.

4. Breaking up a quote

Now that you know how quotes work it all boils down to preference, how you want it to look like and how you want to do it.

One way of doing it is copying the latter part of the original quote [*/QUOTE] and then pasting it after each section you break up, write your reply, choose the text you want then paste it after that portion, repeat till you finish the go back and copy then paste the first part of the text at the beginning of each portion of text. Of course you can immediately copy and paste both parts of a poste so that you dont forget one in the end.

The end result would be something like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
my reply 4



Which without any * would look like

Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4


Another way of doing it would be to cut and paste the second part of the quote tag after the first section of text you want to seperate then write your reply select the second part and hit he quote button (it looks like a text bubble),if you do that without anything else the end result would be

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
my reply 4

Which would look like

Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
Quote:
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
Quote:
and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
Quote:
then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4

To make it like the previous example (which wpuld be preferred, though not necessary ) copy the part that says who posted with the link to the post and paste it accordingly to the proper part in each first half of each quote tag. In my I would copy =minato uchiha;2118164 and paste it where the # is
[*QUOTE#] to get [*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] (of course with the * removed)


Of course you can use any other method you like to get to the end result, but now that you know what the end rwsult looks like I think there shouldnt be any problems
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