I havent read all this shit yet. I'll delete this and start fresh if this has been stomped to death.
Originally Posted by TrueUCHIHA
Since i know both you and miburo arent religious I believe you are going to plead the argument that Yes, it is possible for men to lead moral lives without religion. Although i also agree with this it is to a certain extent.
Where i believe it is possible for man to live Moral lives without the aid of religion I believe now in current times that it is the fact that BECAUSE we have had so much contact with religion and we are taught what is right and wrong mostly based of these religious ideals is why men arent easily able to do so in this current age.
Also when people think religion they usually dont think past the big three. Judiasim, islam, and christianity. But these are definitely not the only religions in this world. And some of these other religions require "immoral" activities to take place in their religious practicings. What it really comes down to is who decides what is moral or immoral. Even in the Science of ethics is the term "morally acceptable" debated. For example in Deontology a morally acceptable action is based of its adherence to the laws or sets of rules that have been established by the higher order in a hierarchy. An example of this would be not taking a cookie from the cookie jar because your mother said not to. Others however believe that a morally right action is one that produces a good outcome, or consequence, this way of thinking is called teleology and an example of this would be taking a cookie from the cookie jar to feed your hungry sister, even though your mother told u not to.
I'm far too exhausted to make a huge argument on other points, so first, someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Basically, you're implying humans degrade morally without religion?
Well, on the basis of Christianity, since I'm not too far in to studying the Curan, I'm going to go ahead and say that's more than unless they're literally raised by animals, like some feral children. Even then, I'd be straining my own point.
According to the Christian faith God "imprinted" His law upon man. Even if they aren't "believers," or even influenced, there are things we supposedly want to follow by nature, regardless of conditioning. Based on that premise, man, even if he chose to rationalize other wants and desires, will always, at the very least, be plagued by his "conscience" and will know when there is a universal conduct code he's breaking.
For instance, even tribes with "uncivilized" people have underlying morals, though marred by some other cultural things. (Ya̧nomamö, for example, may be a lot of things but they have such a strong respect for their dead that a name is never to be reused or mentioned after their passing)
So, if I'm happening to make any sort of sense, even if man neglects God and religion, he's more than capable of living "morally."