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Old 01-23-2011, 08:11 PM   #1
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Minato final villain

Just wanted to make clear what I think about who Tobi really is. This is just a theory, a theory about a man who wanted to make a world a better place, but he used some fucked up means to achieve this. Besides is this really more strange than the notion of a 100 plus year old Madara cheating death and prancing around in a mask? At least Minato would be in his prime years now.

Originally Posted by Konohas Black Flames View Post
no offense, and dont take away my first thanks but how does that make any sense?? they fought each other during the kyuubi incident.
No offense taken, that Minato = Tobi is something I personally want to see because then Kakashi (personal favorite) would probably fight him. It would be an emotional encounter. It's a wild theory, in fact I would be a lot louder about this theory if, like you said, Minato didn't fight Tobi in the backflash we have seen.

I mean, there is one explanation for that that seems improbable, that is Minato left Konoha and left a clone of himself behind to act as him. That clone wouldn't be an ordinary clone, but a Zetsu type clone. The clone wouldn't know it is a clone because Minato implanted some kind of seal to it. That would explain the encounter between the two.
In fact Zetsu was created by Tobi, so if Minato was able to create a Zetsu that early in the story, he would be able to replace himself with it and do his evil plans freely. Minato was a genius in his time, and if a genius like him went to the dark side, then he would be able to accomplish all the things Tobi has done so far.

Originally Posted by NeoKakarott023 View Post
I've never been one to understand, or believe in the Minato = Tobi deal. Not only would Minato have basically called the Kyuubi against his own wife, son & clan, he then 'killed himself' (kinda like Madara in the past vs. Harashirma??). It just hasn't fit the personality of Minato, he didn't have beef with the ninja world, or Uchihas, or anybody specifically beyond Konoha's enemies.
Minato's personality, it could be that all the killing he did during the war made him insensitive or unable to fully appreciate the value of human life. To achieve peace (a noble idea) he decided to use methods that are evil. But this is just a wish of mine.

Here are the facts that would point to it being Minato:

Obito's sharingan (it is not yet proven that Tobi's sharingan is Obitos but c'mon son)
Style of fighting is using space/time jutsus
Knowledge of rikudo, uzumaki history, senju history and uchiha history (Minato was married to an uzumaki, was a hokage and had the access to hokage archives, was training and studying uzumaki seals, kyuubi called his seal on Naruto "rikudos seal")
Knowledge of Konoha ninjas (he recognized Fuu and Torune as members of their respective clans)
Rasengan (rasengan is designed to emulate menacing ball and is most effective if the person can use kyuubi chakra, when Minato developed rasengan he had no kyuubi chakra)
Knowledge of when the kyuubi seal was weakest (Tobi knew when the kyuubi seal was weakest when he attacked Kushina, something Minato would know)
Decision of using the Death god jutsu to seal kyuubi in Naruto when Kushina had the kyuubi under her control (with this Minato sealed half the kyuubi in himself and half the kyuubi in Naruto, this decision was not approved by Kushina and I don't approve either)
Tobi still hides his face and with that the identity from the readers and characters in Naruto (why do that unless the face is recognizable)
Tobi is a genius planner, Minato was (is) a genius
Tobi's actions are unknown prior to Minato's era as hokage

If I had to choose just one argument, it would be Obito's eye. Who else would be able to take Obito's eye and use it so proficiently? I used to think it was Obito himself, but Obito's personality is different than Tobi's. A lot different. Minato's personality could fit the bill, he was a genius and a knowledgeable person and he could be cold blooded.
Please don't flamoa moa, because I already know what you are going to say "it's not proven to be Obitos eye" "you dumb" "so Kakashi genius planner that mean he Tobi?" etc. This is a story and a story has it's own rules, in a story you don't introduce something unless it is going to be important later on.

Kakashi and Minato, two opposing sides

So a hero and a villain are the two opposites, if we assume Minato took Obitos eye and became Tobi...

Kakashi sharingan is left eye
Minato sharingan is right eye

Kakashi warps things with his sharingan
Minato warps himself with his sharingan

Kakashis sharingan was a gift given to him
Minato stole the sharingan

Kakashi believes in the next generation
Minato manipulates the next generation

Kakashi is passive (won't act unless provoked)
Minato is active (makes plans for world domination)

Kakashi upholds the belief that friends are more important than duty
Minato betrayed his friends and family (for his duty to achieve world peace)

Kakashi upholds the will of fire and is loyal to Konoha
Minato breaks the will of fire and betrays Konoha

So they are two complete opposites that will never come to an agreement. The only solution is to fight.
The great off panel war has begun...also called the war of one panel because most fights started and ended in one panel.

Also Kin and Gin as substitute for kyuubi chakra (the greatest amount of chakra in Naruto world) is something Kishi pulled out of his ass. I lost major respect. It would be like near the end of LOTR there happens to be another slightly weaker ring and Sauron is like "that will do". It kind of shits on everything established up to that point. It kind of insults my intelligence.
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