Originally Posted by ACt
I disagree - faith and belief are completely based on facts. Some are misguided, some are unexplained, some are wrong, but they are facts. Example: The Bible. Foundation for the Christian belief system. It is a fact that it exists, was written by people who believe in god, holds may tales and legends borrowed, fabricated, altered, etc and is the basis for many people's faith.
Some people see jesus in the clouds and thus believe in god. That's another fact - there can indeed be clouds that look like jesus.
Some people believe god exists because of the goodness in mankind. Another fact.
Belief is indeed routed in facts, or perhaps just in the interpretation of them. Otherwise, people would never feel so strongly about it. Your own example about different perceptions of one incident actually a good parable for religious belief - take one view and never go further with it - but it is still based on a fact. I can't see any reason someone would choose to defend or uphold something that has literally no basis in the real world.
I would use the 'or perhaps just the interpretation of them' definition over saying they're completely based on facts. It's a combination of shitty reasoning plus facts, not just facts. Though I agree with what you are saying, most people likely believe their beliefs are rational.
Which is the only thing I really have a problem with when it comes to this shit. I don't care if people believe some stupid shit, so long as they'll just admit it doesn't make logical sense. And I don't think that's too much to ask either. I have beliefs that don't make perfect logical sense. Like I won't break a chick's face for things I'd break a dude's face for without hesitation. Even if he is the skinniest, unmanliest, weakest dude ever. So it's got nothing to do with chick's being physically inferior to men or anything, I don't give a shit if it pisses other people off, I think chicks should be treated equally, etc. I'll admit that it really doesn't make too much sense. But I still wouldn't break a chick's face even if she does something I'd break a dude's face for.
I just man up, say it doesn't make sense, completely understand people saying it doesn't make sense, don't try to argue it as something that can be applied to anyone other than myself, etc. Because I don't suck. If people would just be more like me and also not suck then I'd be happy. But no, they have to be stupid and think their shit actually makes sense. I hate that. Fucking retards.