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Re: 561 prediction/spoiler
I really enjoy reading people's ideas about the mysteries in this manga. I have some pretty developed ideas about it all, maybe you'll enjoy reading mine. I posted this elsewhere but I think it will get more traffic here.
I think that Madara fought Hashi in order to absorb a fair amount of his chakra.
Here is a fun list of assumptions... just an idea, see if you like some parts of it.
The sage of the 6 paths was just an Uzumaki. He had special sealing chakra. He sealed the Juubi into himself in order to remove that evil from the world. He rarely ever used the yin chakra of the beast because it was too dark - this is why his rinnegan has no tomoe.
He was an ethical dude and the great powers afforded by the completed juubi eye were too great. In my opinion: The rinnegan (the eye plus just the yang) gives you physical power with the ultimate jutsu being control over life and death. Any tomoe you add (the eye plus yin energy) are extra spiritual energy with the final ultimate jutsu being complete mind control. So, a person with ultimate yin chakra and the eyes would have mega sharingan and a person with ultimate yang chakra and the eyes would have mega rinnegan. Anyways...
The sage is unable to permanently destroy the juubi power. He is also pretty ethical - so he chooses not to live forever and can't just leave the juubi + eye all intact for someone to find and abuse. He splits up the beasts and gives his eyes and spiritual energy to one son and the physical energy to the other. The sons can't use the ultimate unethical powers because they're seperate and they can overpower one another in case one uses the beast power unethically.
Too bad the one son thought that power was the way to peace... The elder son wanted to reunite the eyes with the beast's chakra. This would grant both power over life and death, which is too much, but in the case of the tomoed rinnegan (Tons of dark yin chakra and a sharingan) it offers complete control over the minds of people. The sage sealed his sons eyes with a dead demon seal, after splitting up the beasts. This is the curse.
Eventually, the bloodlines split up even further and the sealing chakras were more of an 'Uzumaki' thing. The elder son's descendent's eyes would only gain power after their own chakra's became darker and more like the Juubi's - they would need a sealing power and a lot of yang chakra to unlock a rinnegan with excellent physical powers and control over life and death - they would need a lot of yin/dark chakra to fill it with tomoe and give it evil spirit controlling/genjutsu/mind control powers. The tablet was really left by the elder brother, and it contains his evil plan... Fill your eyes with as much hate as possible in order to gain some tomoe, combine two sets of eyes in order to obtain the ability to absorb other chakras into your own (?, got nothing there -- maybe its because the absorbing jutsu needs susanoo to have two faces and four hands so it can make two seals at once, like Madaras) ... Absorb uzumaki blood and then seal the ultimate physical energy into yourself. This will reawaken the great eye power that the sage decided was far too much for any mortal to have.
So... that is all plausible, maybe probable, definitely a cool explanation for a few mysteries.
The final EMS jutsu somehow allows you to absorb other people into your eyes.
~This would be consistent with Madara's special sharingan jutsu.
~It would also provide an avenue for acquiring a rinnegan out of an EMS.
~It would give the two ancestors something to fight over - older brother wants all of the power and younger brother wants to keep it seperate so that trust and peace are acquired. So, the sage sealed elder's eyes and split the juubi up and even sealed it's body so that the older brother could never get to it. The younger was charged with keeping it away.
Perhaps Madara read this on the tablet and had absorbed Mito Uzumaki. This clan represented a fair source of yang chakra and, we've been told, some cool sealing powers. He needed the sealing powers in order to properly control Hashi's chakra, beast chakra etc. The Uzumaki blood would also make his eyes a rinnegan.
(on a side note, I want to venture a guess and say that the older uchiha ancestor's eyes were spirals because the sage or somebody sealed the power using the dead demon seal. The older brother wanted revenge after his opportunity for reuniting the juubi was sealed. His descendents would also attempt this if they read the tablet.)
Madara absorbed and used Mito to seal some of Hashirama's chakra into his eyes also which, now that he had the ultimate physical energy, caused his sharingan eyes to further develop into a rinnegan. (I think having Mito in his eyes was enough to make his eyes rinnegan. It could be Uzumaki blood - high vitality and sealing chakra - that transforms the eye - it could just be massive amounts of yang chakra that make it a rinnegan).
His next move was to seal the fox into himself in order to gain enough chakra to use the super eye powers effectively. I believe he wanted to ressurect his younger brother Izuna using rinne tensei. There wasn't quite enough chakra or time for him though, as he was battling Hashi -
Perhaps, just as he had unlocked this new power, Hashi did some crazy forbidden technique and put Madara's life in serious jeapordy. Inside of Madara's eye, Mito may have sealed the Fox into herself also. More details need to be revealed. At any rate, she somehow escapes.
Wounded, Madara was faced with sacrificing his eye to izanagi in order to survive. Instead, he used Hashi's chakra to perform a 'creation of all things' where he created zetsu out of hashi's cells and his own chakra. The zetsu duplicated and transformed a copy into madara (copied his dna) and got both of his eyes. These two zetsu fled and the real madara died at the hands of Hashi.
That makes zetsu 1/2 madara yin and half hashi yang. The plan with zetsu was to attempt again to ressurect Madara using the rinnegan. In order to do this, Zetsu/Madara needed Uzumaki chakra again.
They found an uzumaki child and implanted Madara's left sharingan into it. This somehow gave both of Nagato's eyes the rinnegan (rinnegans seem to somehow work that way... you can have one rinnegan and then give it to a bunch of bodies).
We haven't seen what an ocular combination transfer looks like, but consider that when doing it with infant Nagato, it temporarily allowed the Madara clone to activate a rinnegan and summon the hell god thing which allowed him to communicate with his dead self.
That isn't the only explanation for how dead Madara knew about Nagato. Remember when Nagato blacked out a few times? Perhaps before Madara gave his clone his eyes, he embedded a technique (like Itachi did) that when they reactivated the rinnegan, they would ressurect dead Madara - When it happened, his power was too weak to fully restore Madara - Tobi showed up, had a convo with a partially restored dead madara and then sent him back to Hell... In any case, I think it makes sense that Madara was never alive to see Nagato, but interacted with him via rinnegan at some point, without Nagato really knowing... Thus, the blackouts in his youth seems like a perfect time for this)
So, the Madara clone was running around with his right sharingan, unable to transform into a rinnegan, and Nagato had the other, a rinnegan.
The whole point was that Nagato would use rinne tensei when he was good and developed in order to ressurect the dead madara. Since it had been a while, it could take a lot of chakra and kill the user, so tobi couldn't do it himself.
Madara has now absorbed Nagato's chakra into his left eye making it a rinnegan again.
The whole point of Madara doing this was to combine all of these powers including Hashi's. That proved to be too deadly, so he looked to the future and gambled.
The Uchiha clan massacre, Itachi debacle... it was all orchestrated to bring out the blackest emotions in an uchiha - Sasuke. Madara wants to absorb Sasuke's seriously dark yin chakra. The more the merrier, right?
And what's with Tobi's changing appearance over time? When he first met Itachi, his clone looks pretty dead on like Madara, but as early as his meeting with Minato, tobi seems to have a new hairdo. I think that he had been manipulating Shisui in order to bring out the darkest in him. He wanted Shisui's body and dark chakra. He got Shisui's chakra dark enough to awaken the special mind control technique of the sharingan. Perhaps Shisui became aware that he was being manipulated at this point. We have some info that Shisui was interacting with the mist at the same time that Madara was operating in the background. Perhaps Shisui was just hunting Madara down after he figured it out. He defeats Madara (or so he thinks) but Tobi has simply cloned shisui and allowed his Madara clone to die. Shisui realizes that his eyes are mega bad and that in order to secure the village's safety from any future plot he needs to kill himself. He does. Tobi, having survived the assualt from Shisui, now looks like Shisui because his Madara clone was defeated. Boy would he love his eyes, but the clone of his body will do as a vessel for Madara's eyes for now.
I kind of see things going like this: Once Madara has sealed the juubi inside of himself, taken control of almost everyone's minds and ressurected the elder brother along with his clan, Naruto unlocks the final jutsu he must learn - the dead demon seal. He teams up with Sasuke and, back to back, they have the sage's power together. They are able to use the seal without dying and together seal Madara's eyes and body into the death god while sacrificing the sage's power (both the nine tails and the sharingan). Yay.