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Human Rasengan · 12-16-2011, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by LonelyNinja

"Theory" implies that there is substantial evidence to support it. Granted, conspiracy theories are usually total bollocks, but any "legitimate" theory has some form of evidence. Doesn't have to be particularly compelling, but then it can at least be argued that it's a theory.

Ok evidence that this is actually something going on most of the people that prescribe to the Sovereign Citizen Movement all pretty much start out with the basic things I outlined and another thing and perhaps the most important is that the government has devised ways to protect itself from these people. Many are often labeled Paper Terrorists for flooding the system with paperwork as they try to submit various documents to claim their rights again as free and sovereign citizens as they believe was granted to them by the constitution and has been worked around by small covert steps by the government.. most of which happened back in 1933 during the FDR presidency.

The sovereign citizens believe that the current government is false and thus the so called laws don't apply to them.. most of these people live quiet lives while like all fringe groups have a extremest element.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLSNLeoab8c This father and son duo who had been traveling across the country spreading the Enlightenment of America's citizens when they gunned down that officer in West Memphis.

Others who use aspects of this movement which heavilly relies on the UCC or the Uniform Commerce Code get labled as squatters but legally take back land form the government that doesn't really own hte land anywayhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjZQkErPD4Q so called legal loopholes that allow people to just acquire homes by making real investments or improving upon the physical property itself

But most of it can be summed up in this piece by 60 minutes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F_pY47hE5U

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Originally Posted by Mal

PROTIP: It's not good to have HR agree with you.

From the brief cursory reading I was willing to give those links, it seems the arguments rely far to heavily on assuming what is true for a corporation is true for a country.

ok well not saying that i agree with any of this but here is the basic jist of their reasoning ot the claim that America is a corporation as you put it

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The date is February 21, 1871 and the Forty-First Congress is in session. I refer you to the "Acts of the Forty-First Congress," Section 34, Session III, chapters 61 and 62. On this date in the history of our nation, Congress passed an Act titled: "An Act To Provide A Government for the District of Columbia." This is also known as the "Act of 1871." What does this mean? Well, it means that Congress, under no constitutional authority to do so, created a separate form of government for the District of Columbia, which is a ten mile square parcel of land.

What??? How could they do that? Moreover, WHY would they do that? To explain, let's look at the circumstances of those days. The Act of 1871 was passed at a vulnerable time in America. Our nation was essentially bankrupt — weakened and financially depleted in the aftermath of the Civil War. The Civil War itself was nothing more than a calculated "front" for some pretty fancy footwork by corporate backroom players. It was a strategic maneuver by European interests (the international bankers) who were intent upon gaining a stranglehold on the neck (and the coffers) of America.

The Congress realized our country was in dire financial straits, so they cut a deal with the international bankers — (in those days, the Rothschilds of London were dipping their fingers into everyone's pie) thereby incurring a DEBT to said bankers. If we think about banks, we know they do not just lend us money out of the goodness of their hearts. A bank will not do anything for you unless it is entirely in their best interest to do so. There has to be some sort of collateral or some string attached which puts you and me (the borrower) into a subservient position. This was true back in 1871 as well. The conniving international bankers were not about to lend our floundering nation any money without some serious stipulations. So, they devised a brilliant way of getting their foot in the door of the United States (a prize they had coveted for some time, but had been unable to grasp thanks to our Founding Fathers, who despised them and held them in check), and thus, the Act of 1871 was passed.

In essence, this Act formed the corporation known as THE UNITED STATES. Note the capitalization, because it is important. This corporation, owned by foreign interests, moved right in and shoved the original "organic" version of the Constitution into a dusty corner. With the "Act of 1871," our Constitution was defaced in the sense that the title was block-capitalized and the word "for" was changed to the word "of" in the title. The original Constitution drafted by the Founding Fathers, was written in this manner:

"The Constitution for the united states of America".

The altered version reads: "THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA". It is the corporate constitution. It is NOT the same document you might think it is. The corporate constitution operates in an economic capacity and has been used to fool the People into thinking it is the same parchment that governs the Republic. It absolutely is not.

Capitalization — an insignificant change? Not when one is referring to the context of a legal document, it isn't. Such minor alterations have had major impacts on each subsequent generation born in this country. What the Congress did with the passage of the Act of 1871 was create an entirely new document, a constitution for the government of the District of Columbia. The kind of government THEY created was a corporation. The new, altered Constitution serves as the constitution of the corporation, and not that of America. Think about that for a moment.

Incidentally, this corporate constitution does not benefit the Republic. It serves only to benefit the corporation. It does nothing good for you or me — and it operates outside of the original Constitution. Instead of absolute rights guaranteed under the "organic" Constitution, we now have "relative" rights or privileges. One example of this is the Sovereign's right to travel, which has been transformed under corporate government policy into a "privilege" which we must be licensed to engage in. This operates outside of the original Constitution.

So, Congress committed TREASON against the People, who were considered Sovereign under the Declaration of Independence and the organic Constitution. When we consider the word "Sovereign," we must think about what the word means.

According to Webster's Dictionary, "sovereign" is defined as: 1. chief or highest; supreme. 2. Supreme in power, superior in position to all others. 3. Independent of, and unlimited by, any other, possessing or entitled to, original and independent authority or jurisdiction.

In other words, our government was created by and for "sovereigns" — the free citizens who were deemed the highest authority. Only the People can be sovereign — remember that. Government cannot be sovereign. We can also look to the Declaration of Independence, where we read: "government is subject to the consent of the governed" — that's supposed to be us, the sovereigns. Do you feel like a sovereign nowadays? I don't.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist or a constitutional historian to figure out that this is not what is happening in our country today. Government in these times is NOT subject to the consent of the governed. Rather, the governed are subject to the whim and greed of the corporation, which has stretched its tentacles beyond the ten-mile-square parcel of land known as the District of Columbia — encroaching into every state of the Republic. Mind you, the corporation has NO jurisdiction outside of the District of Columbia. THEY just want you to think it does.

Like i said earlier there is a lot more to all this stuff and it's going on all around us whether real or fake .. something is going on .. either the government is a corporation and has taken measures to hush people who have tried to awaken people to the rouse .. or there is a growing American Domestic terrorist organization .. at any rate we should be alarmed.